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Why Moscow sparingly responded to the results of the referendums in the DNR and the LC?

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In the Donetsk and Lugansk regions (People's Republics), the results of Sunday referendums were summed up; however, despite the seeming unequivocal expression of the will of citizens, the situation after the plebiscite looks far from unequivocal. To begin, let us recall the results: the turnout in the Donetsk People's Republic (region) was about 75%, of which slightly more than 89% voted on the act of state independence of the DPR; in the Luhansk region more than 96% voted for the sovereignty of the LNR. In Kiev, which, for understandable reasons, did not send any official observers (except for the "observers" of the NAZI-Guard fighters) to the east, they said they were confident that the results were falsified, declaring that the total number of those who had come to referendums in two regions barely reached up to 30%.


So what is the ambiguity of the referendum held in the eastern regions of Ukraine? Naturally, the main pole of such ambiguity is far from the difference in data from Donetsk and Lugansk on the one hand, and Kiev on the other. The main thing is that the referendums seem to have taken place, but, as they say, no further movement was made on their basis. More precisely, there were attempts at movement, but they looked rather strange.

Already after the announcement of the preliminary results of the plebiscite from the DPR, a call was made for Russia to accept the republic as a federation with the rights of a subject (according to the Crimean variant). This appeal was voiced by Denis Pushilin - the head of the provisional government of the DPR. From circulation:

Based on the will of the people of the DPR, and to restore historical justice, we ask the Russian Federation to consider the issue of the entry of the DPR into the Russian Federation. The people of the Donetsk region have always been a part of the Russian world, regardless of ethnicity. For us, the history of Russia is our history.


Why Moscow sparingly responded to the results of the referendums in the DNR and the LC?


Moscow responded to this appeal in such a way that it is more likely to speak about the absence of a reaction. They reacted not so much to the words of Denis Pushilin, but to the results of the referendum. For example, a reaction of this nature came from the State Duma of the Russian Federation: legislators said that the referendums in the LPR and the DPR were an attempt by the local population to protect themselves from the Kiev junta. That is, the deputies uttered the word “referendum”, but they didn’t extend the recognition of its results. Approximately the same reaction was demonstrated by other branches of the government of the Russian Federation, expressing an understanding of the desire of the people of Donetsk and Luhansk to resolve issues of self-determination.

Press Service of the President of the Russian Federation (quoted Interfax):

Moscow treats the will of the population of Donetsk and Lugansk regions with respect and proceeds from the fact that the practical implementation of the results of the referendums will take place in a civilized way, without any recidivism of violence, through dialogue between representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk.


The situation got even more confused after the speech in the Donbas of the co-chairman of the DPR government Miroslav Rudenko, who said that the discussion of the topic of the annexation of the Donetsk People's Republic to Russia today is clearly premature.

Miroslav Rudenko quotes RIA news agency News:

Currently, this question (talking about the entry of the DPR into the Russian Federation - note "VO") is not so relevant. Now there should be a legitimization of the power of the Donetsk People's Republic. Of course, we will turn to the Russian Federation regarding the recognition of this referendum, but first of all we see the goal in the struggle for liberation from the Nazi occupation of the southeast. This is the first task. Now, at the present time, we consider it a premature discussion. In the future, we would like a civilized divorce (with Ukraine), but now, thanks to the efforts of the junta, it goes very uncivilized. Now there are occupying troops on the territory of the republic that carry out acts of terrorism and genocide of civilians. All this needs to be stopped. Of course, it would be good to do this by political means, but for now deterrence is taking place by armed means.


So, to the colorful picture, which began to be created even before the Donbass plebiscite, more and more new colors are added. On the one hand, elementary security of the population of the southeastern regions, which declared its state independence, is at stake, and on the other hand, global geopolitics, in which every nuance at a certain stage of implementation can play a crucial role.

Today the situation is that the Russian president, after advising Lugansk and Donetsk to postpone the referendums, turned out to be unheard of. Referendums were held, but here’s no lightning recognition of the DPR and LPR from the Russian Federation. Immediately, there appeared something clearly similar to the inconsistency of positions in the leadership of the new republics themselves, when some leaders directly appeal to Russia to take these republics into the Russian Federation, while others insist that now, they say, is not the time. What does this situation indicate? At a minimum, the fact that the Lugansk and Donetsk plebiscites were clearly not similar to the plebiscites in the Crimea and Sevastopol, that the Donbass had not yet decided on the backbone of power that had already manifested itself in the early days of the well-known Crimean events. This situation may testify that the level of contacts between Moscow and the DPR with the LPR is not at all what it was when resolving the Crimean situation.

But there is more. Moscow gives Kiev another chance to conduct, let's say, work on the bugs — sit down at the negotiating table with the southeast and reach consensus. The message seems to be the following: if Kiev continues to act against its own citizens as yet with the same methods that Mikhail Saakashvili distinguished himself in South Ossetia, then the Kremlin may well go to the South Ossetian and Abkhazian variant - to recognize the independence of the republics of Donbass . That is, Kiev is given to understand that there are all chances for Donetsk and Lugansk, and Kiev itself as such, to remain within the framework of the “single country” today, and can use these opportunities by taking their punishers from the southeast. If Saakashvili likes the script more, the Kremlin will simply say: sorry, guys, but this is your choice, and you have done it ... She can personally ask Saakashvili about what the Kiev junta can expect further ...

In the end, Moscow has not openly declared recognition of the independence of the DPR and the LPR, possibly also because it has Yanukovych. Yes ... the same one ... After all, the upcoming presidential elections in Ukraine are a real fiction, and therefore the trump card in the form of whatever the legitimate president who advocates for non-violence, for unity, for respecting the rights of national minorities, for freedom of speech, can still play its role. And here even all the giant disadvantages of Yanukovych (with his love for expensive cars, multi-tiered mansions and fast running ...) against the background of the terrible crimes of the Kiev junta, Ukrainians themselves will not seem so gigantic ... Everything is known in comparison – wisely ...
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  1. Thompson
    Thompson 14 May 2014 08: 27
    +78
    This is the case when you need to hurry more slowly.
    With feeling, really, arrangement!
    1. from punk
      from punk 14 May 2014 08: 44
      +11
      Quote: Thompson
      This is the case when you need to hurry more slowly.
      With feeling, really, arrangement!

      here it’s still necessary to understand that the whole junta and, therefore, a little bit minor agreement with it, after 25 I’ll love it all. countries. so patience.
      1. sssss018
        sssss018 14 May 2014 09: 10
        +20
        What elections, no one there voluntarily gives up power! They have done so many nasty things. That a military tribunal is waiting for them! Another way to escape to America, but even there they will not rest!
        1. 1812 1945
          1812 1945 14 May 2014 10: 26
          +19
          Quote: sssss018
          What elections, no one there voluntarily gives up power! They have done so many nasty things. That a military tribunal is waiting for them! Another way to escape to America, but even there they will not rest!

          You are absolutely right, sssss018 ! Why is this reaction sluggish? - And Baba Yaga is against! I mean - "oligarchic trade union". And "about the introduction of troops" - Yanukovych's appeal has already been forgotten. And the conditions stipulated by the very same deputies - to act according to the Crimean model ... In vain Volodin spent so much effort on speculating the reasons. There is no political will. God forbid, if there is a military-strategic plan, and the "lack of political will" is a distracting, relaxing maneuver ... Only oligophrenics in the stage of moronicity can dream of the possibility of some kind of agreements on Ukraine with the United States that suit Russia. Not for that, the United States has been preparing this dish for so long and diligently.
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 14 May 2014 12: 54
            +17
            Quote: 1812 1945
            There is no political will. God forbid, if there is a military - strategic plan, and "lack of political will" is a distracting, relaxing maneuver

            It's you in vain, to climb into the thick of it is not always political will, the junta won’t know anything else but to aggravate the situation. We will not become like her. I think that Tsarev’s frequent visits to Russia are not casual, work is underway to create New Russia, and now it’s too early to recognize and accept its small part of Donbass. Then the game began on a large scale and the stakes increased very much .. It is very important to consider how to protect the residents of the southeast from new crimes of the junta ..
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 14 May 2014 13: 07
              -13%
              I don’t believe Tsarev ... And I don’t believe Gubarev! There must be absolutely new people who are not tarnished. This is my personal opinion
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 14 May 2014 13: 16
                +12
                Quote: Den 11
                I don’t believe Tsarev ... And I don’t believe Gubarev! There must be absolutely new people who are not tarnished.

                Tsarev now, is a must. He has direct connections with our Foreign Ministry, the Duma and many politicians, which will help to quickly establish a dialogue with the Russian Federation.
                Some loud statements of New Russia, it is now better to coordinate with the Russian Federation. So as not to substitute us and ourselves not to be disappointed, if suddenly the Russian Federation can not satisfy the request or something else ...
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 14 May 2014 13: 27
                  -4
                  How do you feel about the candidacy of N. Vitrenko? A smart woman, another question, what weight will she have there? Although I agree, she will try to negotiate with the Nazis, it is certainly possible to try, but as one of their characters said there --- ". ..- We will hang up later! "
                  1. jjj
                    jjj 14 May 2014 13: 38
                    +8
                    Until recently, I also thought that she was smart. But it turned out to be an ordinary market. In general, it seems that Ukrainian politicians, who were in large power structures, seemed to be zombified in one center. They have exactly the same haughty manner of speaking and behaving. You look at Vitrenko, and you see Yanukovych, you look at Levchenko, and in front of you is Yatsenyuk. Here are the new people from the people in the Donbass - completely different. Therefore, I believe that Russia should support just new people
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 14 May 2014 13: 43
                      -1
                      I agree. But who? I’m convinced once again that there must be absolutely NEW people
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 14 May 2014 13: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Russ69
                  He has direct connections with

                  Or is he pretending to be?
                3. ssskalinin
                  ssskalinin 14 May 2014 18: 22
                  +1
                  I agree, you always need a maneuver in order to cover your ass and, in case of everything, find the switchman
              2. Day 11
                Day 11 14 May 2014 18: 42
                +11
                10 people "-" put --- at least ONE substantiated? Ssykuny. Shit me, I'll leave the site and hello. And here you will put pluses to each other. We are the strongest, invincible --- Hurray comrades, we have the truest truth in the world!
                1. zakidon73
                  zakidon73 15 May 2014 09: 05
                  +1
                  Well, leave the site, and? It was 11 as you put it ssykunov, will be 10.
                  The dispute is of two types: emotional (this is just the one you are leading) and reasoned. It’s like in the ring - you can throw your punches-arguments into the void, but you can prepare the decisive combination - but for this you need to step over the emotions, weigh every movement - a word, every move - prepare a conclusion, every hit - apply an argument only when necessary.
              3. Cynic
                Cynic 14 May 2014 20: 21
                +3
                Quote: Den 11
                I do not believe Tsarev ...

                I agree, I also do not like his personality.
                Quote: Den 11
                I do not believe Gubarev

                The master is the master.
                Quote: Den 11
                there must be completely new people who are not tarnished

                Before the onset of the Kingdom of God on Earth is far away, and after its onset there will be no need for worldly power.
                A man is born in torment and blood
                , and you want the state to be born without this!
              4. zakidon73
                zakidon73 15 May 2014 08: 58
                0
                This is the case when they say: fish without fish and cancer.
              5. Thompson
                Thompson 18 May 2014 09: 30
                0
                Is there an alternative? Got a choice? Where did he, the new, also unsullied, come from? Two months have already passed, and their leaders are all small-town, regional-scale. Only now we realized that we must unite!
          2. IRBIS
            IRBIS 14 May 2014 15: 30
            -3
            Quote: 1812 1945
            There is no political will.

            And thank God! No need for such a will that will lead Russia to collapse!
            Quote: 1812 1945
            God forbid, if there is a military - strategic plan, and "lack of political will" is a distracting, relaxing maneuver ...

            But this is not necessary. It is not necessary to build the illusion that the population of these regions in full force will applaud us.
            The economic situation in these regions is such that Russia will "untie its navel" when trying to fix something. Who is willing to pay half of their pensions and salaries for dubious manifestations of "brotherly" feelings?
            Before shouting "hurray", you need to think about the consequences, and they are calculated without much difficulty.
            1. Ataman
              Ataman 14 May 2014 17: 19
              +3
              On May 25, elections to the European Parliament will take place, which may turn out to be quite pro-Russian. There will be nothing until this date. Putin knows how to wait.
              1. vignat21
                vignat21 15 May 2014 00: 03
                +1
                Spit! And then jinx it.
              2. zakidon73
                zakidon73 15 May 2014 09: 09
                0
                And the presidential elections in Ukraine and the elections to the European Parliament.
                In Ukraine, the candidates are already biting among themselves; in Europe, politicians tried to play on the heated fear of a simple layman before Russia and miscalculated - a simple layman was not so simple. Yes, a balanced wait-and-see attitude is needed now ... for now.
            2. ssskalinin
              ssskalinin 14 May 2014 18: 33
              +5
              In my opinion, it is necessary to provide covert military assistance. The same small arms, RPGs, communications and ammunition. Fortunately, this is abundant in strategic warehouses in Russia (meaning only weapons with conservation). Military specialists can be trained quietly on the territory of Russia, somewhere on the territory of the Astrakhan region or the Urals. And most importantly, put their people on finances for militias, and so on. Armed forces of the DNI and LC.
            3. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2014 05: 40
              +2
              Quote: IRBIS
              It is not necessary to build the illusion that the population of these regions in full force will applaud us.

              Alexander completely agree. yes +
            4. Thompson
              Thompson 18 May 2014 09: 35
              0
              [/ quote] But this is not necessary. It is not necessary to build the illusion that the population of these regions in full force will applaud us.
              The economic situation in these regions is such that Russia will "untie its navel" when trying to fix something. Who is willing to pay half of their pensions and salaries for dubious manifestations of "brotherly" feelings?
              Before shouting "hurray", you need to think about the consequences, and they are calculated without much difficulty. [/ Quote]
              And here everything is immediately transferred to the field of finance. There are more global tasks, more proactive and more important than wealth and comfort.
              With such a mentality, in the near future, you can lose everything.
          3. alexdol
            alexdol 14 May 2014 17: 49
            +8
            1812 1945 RU And "the introduction of troops" - Yanukovych's appeal has already been forgotten.
            -------------------------------------------------- ------
            I completely agree with you, but I also want to make such a remark.
            Here is the phrase from the article:
            Moscow is giving Kiev another chance to carry out, let’s say, work on mistakes - to sit down at the negotiating table with the southeast and reach a consensus.
            What is it? What does it mean? What chance does Moscow give and to whom? After all that has happened, NO TALKS WITH THESE FUCK_DOCKS CAN'T BE!
            Something I don’t really like these strange games ...
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            2. Gato
              Gato 14 May 2014 21: 02
              +4
              Quote: alexdol
              Moscow is giving Kiev another chance to carry out, let’s say, work on mistakes - to sit down at the negotiating table with the southeast and reach a consensus.

              Really, nonsense. This means actually recognizing the legitimacy of the junta.
            3. zakidon73
              zakidon73 15 May 2014 09: 17
              0
              Negotiations, chances and other diplomatic measures are not only possible but should be conducted. After the order of the commander in chief, our troops will be in Kiev in an hour. But the question arises: do we need it? To get into a country in which two parts of the population are biting among themselves, and the third (most) is sitting on the couch ?! Small clashes are taking place in SE now, and the promised assault on the rebellious is still not there, and why not? That's right, because Russia does not, and will not. In these cities there are enough Russian volunteers who went through Afghanistan, the Caucasus, and Serbia.
          4. ssskalinin
            ssskalinin 14 May 2014 18: 19
            +1
            The Crimean question was originally tied to the preservation of the naval base in Sevastopol. Also, Crimea de jure had the status of autonomy and already had its own constitution. The newly formed republics de jure have the status of regions of Ukraine.
          5. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 14 May 2014 21: 08
            +9
            Quote: 1812 1945
            Why is such a reaction sluggish? - And Baba Yaga - against! There is no political will.

            A man without a name, why is it so hard to hit the keys?

            - a suitcase, train station and forth privately to help SE.
            - or meet victims, as some on this site do.
            - or money for the guys of SE to help.
            What is just so throat to tear, calling for war? You were at least half an eye on her, huh?
            Yesterday I wrote, I will copy again:
            ...............................................................
            ...........................................

            The military do not confuse, ahem ... some things that are very similar, but fundamentally different from each other ...

            Really already swollen from the urine-squeals on the site. And everything is all ... they know - and what to do to the Ukrainians, and what to do to the President of Russia, and finally - a bunch of confident opinions in a commanding tone:
            -how to fight in the city,
            -how to organize ambushes, etc. etc.
            Well pilgrim with a sip ...

            The situation in SE is not very simple ...
            Info.voyna - it is impossible to trust the zomboyaschik from either side.

            What I Believe:
            - In Slavyansk and the surroundings really get together everyone who can hold weapons and who are against the coming of the Nazi authorities. Slavyansk - transport hub to the Donbass.
            - In Mariupol, the people were really angry after the massacre in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and rose MASSOVO.
            - Odessa ... was silent.

            What I do not understand:
            - Why is Donbass silent in its entirety? Some are for Kiev, some are for the federation, some are for joining Russia, someone else hasn’t pecked a fried rooster ...
            …………………………………………….
            Situevina in the CORN differs from the Crimean scenario both in political capabilities and military.
            The fact that Russia “politely” helps in the “dark room” is understandable to the most dumb hedgehog in the distant Siberian Taiga.
            Unfortunately, Russia is still not allowed to enter the territory of Ukraine, this will only aggravate the situation and give the Natsik many trump cards.
            Donbass for now needs to keep the defense on its own and ... TO PROVE RESISTANCE OF INAPPLICABILITY TO THE NEW AUTHORITY.
            And first of all it should SHOW it POPULATION MASSES - just, damn it, stupidly take to the streets of cities as a demonstration, to SHOW your commitment. No one will shoot at MASSES.
            Then it will be clear - WHAT DO SE RESIDENTS NEED FOR REALITY?
            Why did the units oppose the Natsiks?
            And it is true.

            So when SUCH a calico comes, then ... there will be options of almost ANY help, this is not a problem.
            You see, gentlemen of the quack?
            To provide military assistance and to solve the issue is NOT a PROBLEM.
            What's next ?
            BUT ?
            The problem is in the DECISION of the SE itself ... if YES for an ADULT: then any "sanctions" - FSUs. broom.
            (end of copy post.)
            ...............................................................
            ...........................................

            Very accurately, Alexander (IRBIS) recently said:
            -A Russian soldier will come and shmnlit puppy Maidanutogo, what will his father do? Meet with salt and bread?
            Well, well ... That’s what Kiev Natsiks are waiting for ...
            You need to think with your head, think, and not yell any nonsense, putting each other pluses ...
            Many on the site just for the sake of pluses and began to write in comments, even without reading the article. There is a headline about Ukraine - yelling the same thing ahead ...

            ps Yesterday just threw out when one and a half dozen VO people, without looking at the article, shouted the RNE posture to help in the war with the Ukrainian Natsiks ...
            This is called the grandchildren of the winners ?????????????
            BUT ?
            It’s good that this article was deleted ...
            These are complete crap - “political” comments.
            I rarely write "here", only by SUBSTANCE and I am doing it right ...
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2014 05: 45
              +2
              Aleks tv, unconditional plus for the comment! hi
        2. hyperboreia
          hyperboreia 14 May 2014 12: 31
          +2
          Power belongs to those who own property. In Kiev, actors. And to whom almost everything belongs in Ukraine? The one whose capital is Dnepropetrovsk.
          1. alex13-61
            alex13-61 14 May 2014 12: 39
            +1
            Quote: hyperboreia
            And to whom almost everything belongs in Ukraine? The one whose capital is Dnepropetrovsk.

            No ... Akhmetov will be richer.
        3. woron333444
          woron333444 14 May 2014 13: 43
          +2
          If the junta proserit Ukraine, then America does not need them. And in the presidential election on the 25th, no matter how much comes, the USA recognizes it as legitimate. And Europe will sing to them
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 14 May 2014 13: 48
            +1
            Why are they unnecessary? At least a part (since it didn’t work out completely). Americans, pragmatic people --- no need now, come in handy later
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            2. sled beach
              sled beach 14 May 2014 17: 09
              +1
              Americans are pragmatic people ... the last thing that can come (but for some reason does not come) to mind when thinking about abusive. What kind of logic did you think? Can a thief be called a pragmatist?
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 14 May 2014 17: 47
                0
                SMART thief-naturally
              2. Gato
                Gato 14 May 2014 21: 05
                0
                Can a thief be called a pragmatist?

                And by whom? Romantic on the highway?
                American politics has long shown that they are guided by the highest expression of pragmatism - the monetary equivalent. And all sorts of democracies, tolerasts, freedom of speech there are for romantic suckers.
        4. Sirocco
          Sirocco 14 May 2014 14: 19
          +1
          Quote: sssss018
          They have done so many nasty things.

          Quote: sssss018
          Another way to escape to America, but even there they will not have rest!

          Just because of these nasty things, they can’t hide in America, I immediately remembered the Ice Ax for Trotsky. Let these nonhumans remember in the parliament about the ice ax.
      2. 120352
        120352 14 May 2014 11: 41
        +4
        It is quite obvious that the new people's republics cannot have any positive relations with modern Kiev. And not only with the modern. The republics identify with Russia, especially since historically, culturally, ethnically, and whatever else they are Russia. They have no way back.
      3. silver_roman
        silver_roman 14 May 2014 15: 41
        +2
        Quote: punk
        here you also need to understand that the whole junta and, therefore, a little bit minor agreement with it, after 25, I’ll love the end

        the point is that all the votes that did not go to the "respected" POROSHENKO will be democratically falsified in his favor. The junta, in fact, will not go anywhere, but will be reborn into a purely amerskoy brat, licking the fifth point at an opportunity.
        In addition, the trump card in the form of Mr. YANUKOVICH will stop working after May 25. Putin should rush into decisions if so far they have not been taken to action!
      4. voldmis
        voldmis 14 May 2014 20: 53
        0
        In my opinion, the current authorities of the Donetsk People’s Republic themselves do not know what to do next. At least they don’t know yet ...
    2. domokl
      domokl 14 May 2014 08: 49
      +25
      Alexei, what kind of entry is it? Was the question raised in the referendum like that? No. The question was raised about independence. The desire is clear, the position is clear. It is unclear only what Moscow should do.
      Recognize the Republic? And what, besides the words we have? Exactly nothing. There is a bunch of I.O. and the militia. But there is nothing more that is required of the state. There is no expressed opinion of the people, there is no unity of this people.
      Introduce peacekeeping forces? Based on the request of the I.O. or some sort of illegitimate popular gathering? The republic should form government bodies. Legitimate bodies. Either hold a referendum with the direct question whether you want to unite with the Russian Federation.
      So, with all due respect, I put a fat minus ... It’s for the position ...
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 14 May 2014 08: 51
        +73
        Holding a referendum on the sovereignty of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, and not on joining Russia, is only the first step towards liberation from Ukrainization and subsequent entry into Russia.
        Hot heads among the leaders of the Donetsk People's Republic "put the cart before the horse", forcing the process of joining Russia.
        To begin with, it is necessary to coordinate joint actions to create the Federal Republic of New Russia, which should include both created by decision of the people of the republic.
        Next create in the FRN (New Russia) state authorities, the Army, and security forces capable of defending their sovereignty from Bandera Nazi Ukraine, and expelling the occupying forces of fascist Ukraine from their territory. This must necessarily be the help of Russia: weapons, food, volunteers - military experts, diplomatic help.
        The next stage is the liberation of the entire Southeast, the former territory of Novorossia from Bandera, the holding of independent referenda in them about self-determination from Bandera Nazi Ukraine and voluntary, if they so wish to join the New Russia.
        And only after this, the whole composition of New Russia to hold a referendum on joining Russia, having not forgotten before, with the tacit help of Russia, to liberate Little Russia - Kievan Rus from Bandera, in order to create an independent state on the territory of Little Russia separate from New Russia.
        Fascism in Ukraine must be destroyed in any way; in the 21st century it does not belong to it.
        1. xbhxbr-777
          xbhxbr-777 14 May 2014 09: 15
          +5
          Very correct thought! I agree with everything!
        2. demo
          demo 14 May 2014 09: 50
          +16
          Everything said is true.
          But!
          The people living there are just like us.
          Imagine yourself in their place.
          Until now, they have never independently formed anything, created, or elected.
          It is necessary to create security agencies. Army units, government agencies, etc.
          First you need money.
          And not small.
          Farther.
          People should work and feed themselves and their children.
          And where will the funds come from and where will the output go?
          Trade - it is interconnected with neighboring territories.
          And what will it look like?
          And the most important thing.
          During the day to work, and at night to guard the gains of the Referendum - this is not real.
          Everyone must carry out their duties professionally.
          And it turns out like this, "both the reaper and the player on the lute."
          The only way for the DNI and LC is:
          -to invite volunteers to their territory to carry out the duties of border guards, internal affairs bodies, and other law enforcement agencies.
          - recognize the Russian ruble as the only settlement currency.
          -nationalize the entire large industry of the region with the supply of goods to the Russian Federation:
          -Deport all the soiled ones to the western part of Ukraine.
          And then in order.
          Despite what happened besides universal concern, we don’t see anything.
          Neither from the EU, nor from the Kremlin.
          As they say-this is not to squeeze the Crimea.
          Here is the Donbass. And here are completely different realities.
          1. dik-fort
            dik-fort 14 May 2014 10: 26
            +5
            I agree that for the functioning of the republic and the waging of the war of liberation, money is needed, a lot of money, here one cannot do without the participation of "sponsors". The thesis that Donetsk and Lugansk are depressed subsidized territories is not entirely true. The fact is that all companies that own the coal and metallurgical industries are registered in Kiev and pay taxes there and not small ones. According to some reports, 15% of all foreign exchange earnings in Ukraine comes from these enterprises, i.e. I have not seen statistics on how much taxes the budget receives from enterprises of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics and how much goes on subsidies, there is only a figure of $ 1,5 billion for subsidies to the coal industry, but we do not know how much money Kiev receives from the coal industry, most likely, these regions are not subsidized, but rather profitable. If the new government manages to subordinate tax payments to the local budget, then everything is not so bad. But first of all, it is necessary to establish full control over the territories of the republics, expel the occupying troops of the junta, be sure to ban all fascist parties, and to arrest active members, it will be easier later.
          2. Ivan Tucha
            Ivan Tucha 14 May 2014 10: 27
            +1
            Quote: demo
            During the day to work, and at night to guard the gains of the Referendum - this is not real.

            Why ?, during the Second World War it was in Leningrad, for example, in many other cities.
          3. the same cat
            the same cat 14 May 2014 10: 57
            +12
            demo, directly shook me (as a philologist) from the western version of the Russian proverb, which meanwhile sounds: And the Swiss, and the reaper, and the game on DUDE.
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          5. matross
            matross 14 May 2014 12: 15
            +11
            Quote: demo
            As they say-this is not to squeeze the Crimea.

            Do not rush with words, dear! Who squeezed the Crimea? Russia? Crimea was reunited with Russia as a result of the free and unambiguous expression of the will of its inhabitants! Remember this.
          6. Cynic
            Cynic 14 May 2014 12: 22
            +3
            Quote: demo
            As they say-this is not to squeeze the Crimea.

            Who says?
            Quote: demo
            Here is the Donbass. And here are completely different realities.

            Realities, yes, others _ there is a civil war.
          7. jjj
            jjj 14 May 2014 13: 40
            +2
            Meanwhile, money appeared in Slavyansk's ATMs. People breathed a sigh of relief
        3. Little Muck
          Little Muck 14 May 2014 10: 06
          +6
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Holding a referendum on the sovereignty of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, and not on joining Russia, is only the first step towards liberation from Ukrainization and subsequent entry into Russia.

          There are still not enough serious teachers for the guys. And they do not always act in unison. It seems to be coordinating their actions, and then tearing away from the bat.
          There is one conclusion. There is no single action plan yet, but I think there is already someone and what to suggest. The main thing is to listen carefully. And acted in concert. hi
        4. aleks700
          aleks700 14 May 2014 10: 13
          +8
          Yes. Liberating Ukraine will be easier from the territories of independent Lugansk and Donetsk. But do not wait for the weather by the sea, and release!
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 14 May 2014 10: 17
            +3
            Quote: aleks700
            Yes. It will be easier to liberate Ukraine from the territories of independent Lugansk and Donetsk.

            I agree! It will be even better to release from the territory of New Russia! I'm glad you weren’t driven into the skulls! hi
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 14 May 2014 13: 29
            +2
            Quote: aleks700
            Yes. Liberating Ukraine will be easier from the territories of independent Lugansk and Donetsk. But do not wait for the weather by the sea, and release!

            Yes, it is easy to yell: "sugar" - only in the mouth will not be sweeter. It is easy to liberate Ukraine by pindobolism, not knowing how to do it in reality. How to expel the Ukrainian army with tanks, artillery, military aviation with the Kalash. Procrastination strengthens the power of the nationalists; time is playing on them: the army will be reorganized, discipline will be strengthened, ukrovoenprom will produce modern weapons or Kiev will ask the Americans (and, of course, will receive) even more modern weapons. After May 25, Kiev will receive from the United States a patent for squared legitimacy and a mandate for mass murder Then a full-scale military campaign against the rebellious regions will begin: how will it be? Study the chronicle of the military operations of the Russian army in Chechnya.
        5. Wels75
          Wels75 14 May 2014 10: 15
          0
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Holding a referendum on the sovereignty of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, and not on joining Russia, is only the first step towards liberation from Ukrainization and subsequent entry into Russia.
          Hot heads among the leaders of the Donetsk People's Republic "put the cart before the horse", forcing the process of joining Russia.
          To begin with, it is necessary to coordinate joint actions to create the Federal Republic of New Russia, which should include both created by decision of the people of the republic.
          Next create in the FRN (New Russia) state authorities, the Army, and security forces capable of defending their sovereignty from Bandera Nazi Ukraine, and expelling the occupying forces of fascist Ukraine from their territory. This must necessarily be the help of Russia: weapons, food, volunteers - military experts, diplomatic help.
          The next stage is the liberation of the entire Southeast, the former territory of Novorossia from Bandera, the holding of independent referenda in them about self-determination from Bandera Nazi Ukraine and voluntary, if they so wish to join the New Russia.
          And only after this, the whole composition of New Russia to hold a referendum on joining Russia, having not forgotten before, with the tacit help of Russia, to liberate Little Russia - Kievan Rus from Bandera, in order to create an independent state on the territory of Little Russia separate from New Russia.
          Fascism in Ukraine must be destroyed in any way; in the 21st century it does not belong to it.

          THIS IS SO YESTERDAY WHERE AND READ.
          These are not the words of Oleg Tsarev? case wink
        6. 26rus
          26rus 14 May 2014 11: 33
          +6
          Quote: vladimirZ
          only the first step towards liberation from Ukrainization and subsequent entry into Russia.

          And the "trick" is that there is a similar experience in the history of our country. It's about the Far Eastern Republic. After all, it was the FER that liberated the Far East and Primorye from the Japanese and Americans and then became part of the RSFSR. At the same time, the RSFSR itself, which was not officially at war with Japan, had diplomatic freedom of maneuver.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 14 May 2014 11: 56
            +21
            Quote: 26rus
            And the "trick" is that there is a similar experience in the history of our country.

            And everything will repeat as if old ... And then ...
            1. ssskalinin
              ssskalinin 14 May 2014 18: 44
              +1
              I respect healthy cynicism, but this picture can be paid for with a huge amount of blood.
        7. hyperboreia
          hyperboreia 14 May 2014 12: 36
          +1
          Fascism in this case is the ideological "product" of the oligarchy. I think that oligarchy has no place in the 21st century. Can such a system in society be called civilized? As you can see, oligarchy is a threat to national security.
        8. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 14 May 2014 13: 06
          +6
          Quote: vladimirZ
          The next stage is the liberation of the entire South-East, the former territory of Novorossia from Bandera, the holding of independent referendums on self-determination from Bandera Nazi Ukraine and voluntary if they wish to join the New Russia.

          I would like to ask zasrancev, who outline plans for the liberation of Novorossia for the coming years: how, having (mostly) small arms, to free Novorossia from the Kiev government, which has hundreds of tanks, armored vehicles, heavy artillery, MLRS, combat helicopters and aircraft; from the power that controls the territory, population, resources are an order of magnitude larger than the South-East? But the junta has not yet seriously swung: it is not really (that is, full-scale) used until combat aircraft; there is no massive use of tanks and artillery. But this will all be after May 25 when the US, EU (in general, the entire "civilized world") will give the Kiev junta a "mandate to kill", recognizing in the junta "legitimacy in the square" of the Moscow power? It looks like she is zassala.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 14 May 2014 13: 45
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Looks like she is zassala.

            You seem to be one of those zasrancev , with a short memory, constantly clapping about the plum of Russia everyone and everything!
        9. Nik SU
          Nik SU 14 May 2014 14: 48
          +1
          I will add also that, first of all, the new republics need border control! At least in the first couple the border with Russia. Where did you see a state without borders. And how to help when at the customs contingent still controlled by Kiev.
      2. Native grandfather
        Native grandfather 14 May 2014 09: 12
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        or some sort of illegitimate so far popular gathering?

        In principle, there is nothing more legitimate than a referendum opinion. A-priory. Well, the rest you are right. The referendum was about independence, and not about joining the Russian Federation.
        (I will refrain from evaluating the article. there are two ways)
        psminusu current seropogonnikov.
        1. domokl
          domokl 14 May 2014 09: 30
          0
          Quote: Native grandfather
          In principle, there is nothing more legitimate than a referendum opinion.

          Theoretically, everything is true .. Ideally ... But, honestly, have you ever seen a national gathering? This is pure mysticism ... The population of Donetsk gathered and made a decision ... laughing No, the deputies will be chosen by someone and they will already express an opinion, so to speak. Only then a lot of people will start screaming, they promised one thing and voted for another. How does this happen, for example with us.
          I once conducted an independent survey in my yard while I was walking with a dog ... One question - Who is our deputy in the State Duma of the Russian Federation ... Not a single answer ... Not a single ... They know the deputies, but their ...
      3. avia1991
        avia1991 14 May 2014 09: 29
        0
        Quote: domokl
        So, with all due respect, I put a fat minus ... It’s for the position ..

        You shouldn't be so upset about Alexey .. The impression from the article is ambiguous, but it DOES NOT go about fuss and rush - is it not? Those doubts that people have when they see the "modest" reaction of our authorities are just collected in a heap. And quite intelligible conclusions have been made. Put a "plus"!
        1. domokl
          domokl 14 May 2014 09: 57
          +3
          Quote: avia1991
          doubts that people have when they see the "modest" reaction of our authorities.

          I’m not sure ... It seemed to me that the author takes an active position. Usually Alexey is not afraid to say what he thinks. And they respect him for that. And here, I think, the same situation.
          The response to the article is predictable. Most will now tear vests on the chest (or rather shirts, according to the dress code of the company) -Save people! Give new territories! Beat dill! .. And in the same style. I wrote a comment for those who really wants to understand what to do. The answer to this question is now the main one. but without the help of the Ukrainians themselves in Donetsk there is simply no answer to it. Any move of Russia, for today, today, is a losing one.
          1. Volodin
            14 May 2014 13: 05
            +5
            Alexander, apparently, I didn’t express my thoughts well, if that is how you understood me (about breaking telnikov, etc.) the article doesn’t call for anything like this - it simply raises questions for which everyone has his own answer so As a clear answer, officials do not yet exist (if such an answer is generally relevant today).
      4. maxcor1974
        maxcor1974 14 May 2014 09: 52
        +1

        domokl (2) RU  Today, 08: 49 ↑
        Alexei, what kind of entry is it? Was the question raised in the referendum like that? No. The question was raised about independence. The desire is clear, the position is clear. It is unclear only what Moscow should do.
        Recognize the Republic? And what, besides the words we have? Exactly nothing. There is a bunch of I.O. and the militia. But there is nothing more that is required of the state. There is no expressed opinion of the people, there is no unity of this people.
        Introduce peacekeeping forces? Based on the request of the I.O. or some sort of illegitimate popular gathering? The republic should form government bodies. Legitimate bodies. Either hold a referendum with the direct question whether you want to unite with the Russian Federation.
        So, with all due respect, I put a fat minus ... It’s for the position ...

        I agree with you, Alexander.
        In addition, I think there is a factor 20 in May. If Putin manages to sign all the planned economic contracts with the PRC and enlist the political support of their leaders, this will untie his hands in the West. I will explain that the probability of imposing sanctions by Europeans amid diversification and a possible reorientation of our energy supplies to the East will tend to zero. In general, they see a rapprochement between Russia and China in a terrible dream.
        So I hope our position in Ukraine after May 20 will change dramatically, and there will be no discussion of the recognition of the election results (if they still take place).
        1. domokl
          domokl 14 May 2014 10: 04
          +7
          Quote: maxcor1974
          If Putin manages to sign all planned economic contracts with China and gain political support from their leaders

          Yesterday, the Chinese prime minister clearly laid out the accent-who is who in the Ukrainian conflict. There is a statement today in the public domain. By the way, it was struck by the openness of the statement. The guilty parties (USA and NATO), clearly set conclusions from the situation were clearly identified. So ...
          And the position will naturally change. In this case we are talking about today, but in no case about tomorrow ...
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 14 May 2014 10: 12
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Yesterday, the Chinese prime minister clearly laid out the accents of who is who in the Ukrainian conflict.

            By the way, when does Vova go to China? It seems he should meet with the Chinese side in Beijing in May! hiI am sure that the meeting will shake the rotten continent and the EU!
            1. Tartary
              Tartary 14 May 2014 17: 28
              0
              Quote: Sid.74
              By the way, when does Vova go to China?

              Who is Vova? I have a sidekick. Vovchik left for Fuyuan today ... Do you know him too?
              Here it is - the World is small ...
          2. ssskalinin
            ssskalinin 14 May 2014 18: 50
            0
            Domokl. Where to find Chinese text. Throw off the link
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      6. asar
        asar 14 May 2014 09: 58
        0
        domokl! I agree one hundred percent! Until there are normally functioning institutions of power, until there is a referendum on the desire of the people of the DPR and LPR to join the Russian Federation, I think it’s premature to talk about any Russian ambassadors! Patience to all!
    3. Sid.74
      Sid.74 14 May 2014 08: 49
      +11
      Everything is going as it should! We would now admit the DPR and LPR, we would have condemned them to death! The situation is developing very fast! The bloodsuckers and Nazi-guards are already making roadblocks near Kharkov, so they will be surprised when they break it in the back! Question with Odessa and Kherson is not clear! I think militia groups are already being formed there! Everything will be but need to wait!

      A widespread Ukrainian fascist from the Azov gang about Mariupol in an interview with the Sunday Times: “We are behind enemy lines here, everyone is against us: the police, the army, the people. We do not trust anyone.”

      The rear is a much broader concept in the state that was once called Ukraine! am
    4. Alexey N
      Alexey N 14 May 2014 08: 51
      +4
      This is the case when you need to hurry more slowly.
      With feeling, really, arrangement!

      It is a pity that Slavyansk does not understand this. And unreasonably asking for help.
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 14 May 2014 09: 21
        -2
        Kokoity also once almost immediately after 08.08.08 mentioned that South Ossetia wants to be part of the Russian Federation. 6 years have passed, but never received anything. And rightly so, because it is not known how Russia would be treated in that case
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 14 May 2014 10: 07
          +3
          Quote: Dangerous
          Kokoity also once almost immediately after 08.08.08 mentioned that South Ossetia wants to be part of the Russian Federation. 6 years have passed, but never received anything. And rightly so, because it is not known how Russia would be treated in that case

          Why it’s not clear, very clear, only without Crimean bonuses.
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      3. aleks700
        aleks700 14 May 2014 10: 19
        +1
        Yes, and it is not reasonably provided.
    5. Canep
      Canep 14 May 2014 08: 53
      +8
      I think the answer to the question posed in the title is in the Wikipedia article:
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стрелков,_Игорь_Иванович
      It turns out that Igor Ivanovich is a Russian professional saboteur who served in many hot spots: Transnistria, Bosnia, Serbia, Chechnya, etc. You can minus as much as you like, but I am sure that the militia from the Fagot ATGM will not be able to shoot down a single helicopter, and several of them were shot down near Sloviansk. I think the situation is under the control of Russia, and therefore there is no enthusiastic reaction. Everything goes according to plan. Bodies of state power will be formed, the territory will be cleared of Pravosek-Banderast, the Federal Republic of Novorosia will not receive recognition in the near future, but this is the goal until Ukraine puts things in order on its territory, the entrance to NATO and the EU is closed for it, and they are about a visa-free regime. can forget if on the territory of Ukraine there are entire territorial entities consisting of "terrorists".
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 14 May 2014 09: 47
        +8
        Quote: Canep
        militia from ATGM "Fagot" will not be able to shoot down a single helicopter

        Sorry, of course, if the question touches you - but: Have you seen the downed helicopters? At least one was hit from a heavy machine gun, ATRA had nothing to do with it. Against one used MANPADS. And then, far from all the militias are newcomers, many still in Afghanistan got combat experience! I know one of them personally, and he was once a great sniper! On the other hand, if there were professionals at hand at Strelkov, the actions of the militia would look differently, and the losses of the Nazis would be OTHER. Igor Ivanovich, rather, is a pro in the organization of security and defense, sabotage - is unlikely. It’s just that heroization makes of a person a superman who they want to see him. And he is just REAL! A real man. And thank God that Slavyansk has such a Commander.
        PS I reread the "info" from Wikipedia. Have you read it yourself? !! Do not you find that this is complete nonsense? !!
        In 1993 year graduated from the Moscow State Historical and Archival Institute. By education, historian. He served in the armed forces [5].
        And further:
        He took part in the hostilities in Transnistria in June-July 1992 (volunteer of the 2nd platoon of the Black Sea Cossack army, Koshnitsa - Bender), in Bosnia from November 1992 to March 1993 inclusive

        And when did he manage to finish his studies ?! And HOW at the same time managed to become a GRUshnik?
        1. Canep
          Canep 14 May 2014 10: 25
          +1
          Quote: avia1991
          And when did he manage to finish his studies ?! And HOW at the same time managed to become a GRUshnik?
          I don’t want to defend Wikipedia but I think you can study in absentia at the Historical and Archival Institute, and a trip to Bosnia can also help to collect materials for the thesis. By the way, our undergraduate practice ended in March, and began in September. As for work in the GRU, quite a few people work in this office concurrently, while the main work and place of residence can be in Washington, Los Alamos, or Houston.
          And about the helicopters shot down by bassoons - these are from sources in the network, maybe dubious, but the Mi-24 does not explode in the air from being hit by "arrows", and one turntable, according to eyewitnesses, exploded. Yes, and it is unlikely that a militia will be able to shoot down a turntable from a large-caliber machine gun, even if he served in Afghanistan, if only not on the side of the Basmachi, not a single militia could get a steady skill in knocking down turntables from a machine gun, the Afgan Majahideen did not have them, do not forget that The Mi-24 is designed to be fired at from the ground, and therefore is armored.
          1. woron333444
            woron333444 14 May 2014 13: 52
            +2
            Remember Iraq, when a grandfather from an ancient rifle shot down an American Apache helicopter
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 14 May 2014 13: 55
              +2
              Fake for raising morale. Do not be fooled by any bullshit! -Be older
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 14 May 2014 13: 55
            +2
            Quote: Canep
            the majahideen of Afghanistan did not have them, do not forget that the Mi-24 is designed to be shot at from the ground, and therefore it is armored.

            I know about booking the Mi-24, I studied these machines both theoretically and "by touch." As for "the Afghan mujahideen did not have them" - do not talk about what you do not know for sure! If I hadn't seen it myself, maybe I would have thought it over. DShK - what is it, in your opinion? And to shoot down a helicopter with a 12,7mm machine gun, in fact, is not as difficult as it might seem, you just need to know where to shoot, and not try to do it at a great distance. I will simply keep silent about the Mi-8 ..
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 14 May 2014 14: 02
            0
            Quote: Canep
            And as for work in the GRU, quite a few people work in this office concurrently,

            This option is possible, right. Only the GRU security forces are NEVER recruited from "amateurs". There must be a special military education, experience of successful service, and a brutal selection of the best. So a historian, even with experience of volunteer service in hot spots, can hardly be a power "pro" of the GRU.
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 14 May 2014 12: 42
          0
          Their deputy deputy minister of defense claims that Igor Ivanovich is an ordinary retired ensign. How is it? - An ensign is tearing lampasniks!
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 14 May 2014 14: 05
            +2
            Quote: Den 11
            Igor Ivanovich is an ordinary retired ensign.

            laughing I think that if he were an ensign, all the fighters of Turchinov would have gone without weapons, and literally without pants!
      2. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 14 May 2014 09: 50
        +1
        I agree to all 100%!
        In the current situation, the best way out is not to advertise monitoring the actions of the militias, with the provision of material and technical assistance with weapons and ammunition. It is not necessary to send the most modern and sophisticated items there.
        Taking into account the "sophistication" of the weapons of the kaklyatsk army, I think that the weapons of the level that the militias now have will be quite enough. Another question is the level of security and the ability to own this weapon. Judging by the night battle (the shelling of the feed mill), one can understand that there can be no question of any presence of the GRU special forces, no matter how ukroSMI is ousted there.
        IMHO, we need trained instructors for training and guiding the militia!
      3. domokl
        domokl 14 May 2014 10: 11
        +5
        Quote: Canep
        Igor Ivanovich is a Russian professional saboteur who has served in many hot spots: Transnistria, Bosnia, Serbia, Chechnya, etc.

        laughing Sergey, if it is written on the ox’s cage that it’s an elephant, don’t believe your eyes .... The current GRU officer, like a pensioner, never shines. For each there are enough tails that will receive good money for liquidation ...
        1. Canep
          Canep 14 May 2014 10: 44
          -1
          Hello Alexander hi
          Quote: domokl
          .An active GRU officer, among other things, like a pensioner, never shines

          I said that he is an active GRU officer, I only say that he is uniquely connected with the GRU or the FSB. In addition, he is 44 years old in the army pre-retirement. It may just be his last task, and then I'm sure that he is not alone there.
          1. domokl
            domokl 14 May 2014 11: 01
            +3
            Quote: Canep
            It may just be his last task, and then I'm sure that he is not alone there.

            smile Do not have a hundred rubles, but have a hundred friends ... Or a good communication channel. hi Sergei...
            It seems to me that he has more experience precisely in organizing defense. Many offensive actions, not to mention the work of groups, raise questions ...
            1. Canep
              Canep 14 May 2014 11: 45
              0
              Sasha, no matter where and in what he has more experience, it is important that he has combat experience, and that he, as it would be said in the West, is an "agent of the Kremlin", that is, our man, I think he has his own bosses, and they control him , and therefore controls the situation in the Donetsk People's Republic. The question was: "Why did Moscow sparingly reacted to the results of the referendums in the DPR and LPR?" - "Why are you silent, Comrade Putin?"
              1. Canep
                Canep 14 May 2014 12: 05
                -2
                It looks like he is an acting FSB officer - a specialist in anti-guerrilla warfare.
      4. avia1991
        avia1991 14 May 2014 11: 34
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        It turns out that Igor Ivanovich is a Russian professional saboteur

        Here, by the way, is an interesting article, cutting statements on behalf of Igor Strelkov:
        The text below was compiled by the site “Sputnik and Pogogrom” based on the reports of the head of the Donbas People’s Militia Donbass Igor Strelkov, which he left in 2011 — 2013. on the forum vikmarkovci.7bb.ru.

        http://www.rusimperia.info/catalog/4176.html
        Maybe someone wants to do a review? Statements are rather ambiguous.
        1. Canep
          Canep 14 May 2014 11: 55
          0
          Quote: avia1991
          Statements are rather ambiguous.

          The penultimate statement of Strelkov:
          VOLUNTEER I SEND
          ON GREAT WAR.
          Kohl in the Carpathians will not be present -
          That in Mazury drown

          And if the bullet is evil
          From Peremyshlie shafts
          Do not kill - I can then
          Reach the enemies!

          If there is God's will
          On Stokhod to fight -
          Well, such a share is visible -
          I lie in Galicia!

          I think his plans.
          Last thing:
          I ALREADY MORE 15 YEARS DON'T DO [HISTORICAL] research (if I live to retirement, maybe I will resume classes). I write artistic prose (fairy tales) - it does not require so much time to work in the archives. Only now I can not publish.

          The key word is "resignations". I think my assumptions about the fact that he serves in the Russian special forces are correct. And here is one more confirmation that he is with the pagons
          Sorry, but the last statement is a rare nonsense. I’m telling you as a specialist in anti-partisan struggle.
          In general, there are statements about the whole article and their wide-format discussion.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 14 May 2014 14: 14
            +3
            Quote: Canep
            I think his plans.

            I don’t know about the plans, the announcement indicates that his statements for 2011-2013 were collected. Although he himself did not go to the forum - perhaps the last entries are already this year. But according to his statements, it turns out that he cannot be "blamed" for his pro-Putin position. So wherever you go - the "hand of Moscow" is completely absent!
            1. Canep
              Canep 14 May 2014 14: 52
              +1
              He has a pro-Russian position and that's enough. In any case, Russia has everything under control there, and therefore the reaction is stingy. And Strelkov's candidacy for the post of commander was chosen most likely due to the fact that he is not 100% a fighter, he himself is a former militia, and will be able to "build" them and keep them under control.
      5. andj61
        andj61 14 May 2014 12: 35
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        I am sure that the militia from the Fagot ATGM will not be able to shoot down a single helicopter, and several of them were shot down near Sloviansk.

        One - from "Fagot", one (or two?) - generally from "fly", was also shot down from the KPVT. No one doubts that there are professionals. True, if our special services supported them, then they would also have MANPADS. And the actions would be more professional, and the damage would be significantly greater.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 14 May 2014 13: 47
          0
          Quote: andj61
          True, if supported by our special services, then

          Only in one case, if it weren’t for the pros, but the pros!
    6. obraztsov
      obraztsov 14 May 2014 08: 54
      +5
      I hope that this slowness will benefit us, not our enemies. After all, after the presidential election, the junta will declare in the southeast the regime of the counter-terrorist operation, which the security forces are so hungry for. Then the amount of loss can greatly increase.

      I would like our management to know what they are doing.
      1. Canep
        Canep 14 May 2014 09: 01
        +9
        Quote: obraztsov
        I hope that this slowness will benefit us, not our enemies.
        The longer Ukraine will hang out like a city, but in an ice hole it will be easier to take complete control of it. Yes, this will lead to the impoverishment of the people, but exclude its entry into NATO. In the end, they themselves chose their own path, they had to think about the consequences earlier.
        Quote: obraztsov
        After all, after the presidential election, the junta will declare a counter-terrorist operation regime in the southeast
        Wake up this operation has long been announced and is coming.
        Quote: obraztsov
        which the security forces are so hungry for
        I'm not sure that they want to die when the Donbas is liberated from its population, they crave Eurobabl for cutting.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 14 May 2014 09: 11
          +4
          I don’t know what to call the article or comment in general I will quote in full! If the moderators allow it! Taken from here: http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/

          About the union of the DNI and LC

          In conditions of insufficient political subjectivity, enlargement of the newly formed state is a step towards increasing both internal and external actual legitimacy.
          This is extremely important in terms of further struggle to separate the regions of the Southeast from Ukraine. From the point of view of a long-term perspective, the existence of separate unrecognized DPR and LPR is unpromising, both in terms of the effectiveness of the fight against the fascist junta and in terms of economic development.

          Even after the referendum, a significant part of the DPR and LPR arrives in the virtual space. Authorities are still being formed, there is no regular army, there is no full-fledged people's militia and the Security Council. The economy of the new republics, as well as the economy of Ukraine, is operating by inertia, and in the coming months the industry of the DPR and LPR expects a strong landing, where not everyone will survive. The inertia of the crisis and the collapse of the Ukrainian economy will hit both local industry and living standards. And this is not counting the ongoing war and the collapse of the old state.

          Of course, if it becomes part of Russia, some of these problems will be stopped by involving these regions in the Russian economy and targeted transfers that will make the recession less rapid. But there will still be problems, more serious than Crimean difficulties, which, albeit not critical, but in a number of moments are very annoying. Let's say the collapse of the banking sector will be much more sensitive than in the Crimea.

          On the other hand, when implementing a scenario with an unrecognized sovereign state, unification will be a step towards mobilizing limited reserves both to fight against an external enemy and to develop solutions related to the stabilization of the economy. Of course, Russia in this case will provide some help, but it will not be as significant as in the first version.
          It is worth remembering that under the conditions of the ongoing war, the population will be ready to put up with economic and social difficulties, but after the victory, the routine of everyday life will roll over and no patriotic intensity can restrain irritation from high prices and closing enterprises. The effect "but in Ukraine will be even worse" will also work, but also for a limited time.

          It is quite clear that the leadership of the DPR and LPR recognizes the need for a mobilization scenario related to the struggle against the junta and the general course towards rapprochement with the Russian Federation, as well as the formation of a common economic space. Russia is also interested in this, which is easier to communicate with a single decision-making center for Donetsk and Lugansk. Akhmetov will be interested in this, since for him this is one of the possible scenarios for saving at least part of his oligarchic empire.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 14 May 2014 09: 12
            +2
            To be continued! hi

            Since in both centers there are largely random people who have been brought to the forefront of history by the disintegration of Ukraine, they say that they are quite negotiable and are sometimes ready to moderate their own ambitions for a common purpose. I believe that ultimately the unification will happen (whether the DPR and LPR will accept Russia or not) and Donetsk will be the leader here, which, under the scenario of independence, will become the capital of the Republic and its administrative center. Lugansk, on the other hand, will get the role of a slave, which may well suit local leaders who receive posts like the mayor of Lugansk in the case of Mozgov or the minister of defense or the commander of the republican army, in the case of Bolotov. From the point of view of leadership issues, the figure of Pushilin is seen as the likely leader of the united republic. Gubarev could compete with him, but he is more likely to take a somewhat less significant post, like the mayor of Donetsk or a member of the cabinet.

            In general, the united republic is unlikely to have easy times, both in the light of economic difficulties and in the light of the ongoing war. The option of joining the Russian Federation is dictated by both military and economic reasons. But if it is postponed for a number of reasons, the new republic will have to try pretty hard so that the transition period does not develop into a steep peak, since the starting conditions will be much worse than in Crimea.

            But personally, I am sure that these difficulties are quite surmountable, with adequate and firm leadership. Will it work out? We will see in the coming months. In the meantime, the main task is the defeat of the junta in the Donbass.

            PS. About the prospects of joining the Russian Federation - a separate material.
        2. obraztsov
          obraztsov 14 May 2014 10: 50
          0
          Quote: Canep
          Wake up this operation has long been announced and is coming.

          I am fully aware of the fact that WHO is actually going to the southeast. As I understood from a recent article on this site:
          http://topwar.ru/47248-nas-hotyat-zamazat-v-krovi.html

          until WHO is officially introduced, some security forces use weapons at their own risk, fearing the consequences. As well as some types of military operations, they generally refuse to produce. Therefore, after entering the CTO officially, there can be much more victims among the self-defense of the southeast.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 14 May 2014 17: 24
            0
            Quote: obraztsov
            some security forces use weapons at their own risk, fearing the consequences

            Yeah, especially in Odessa! PS was not afraid of anything on the Maidan, and now even more so. A bit of them are restrained by the coverage of their actions in the media, and that is just a little, otherwise ...
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 14 May 2014 17: 53
              -1
              That's why you posted this photo of gypsy children of the 20s? In order to add tragedy to the situation? -We are trying to tell the truth, right? They will blame us again ... This photo has been razusolino more than once and has been criticized on many thematic sites and the environment historians rejected completely, it has nothing to do with the OUN-UPA. Crazy mother with hunger sentenced her children (like Romania, I could be wrong)
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 15 May 2014 08: 32
                +1
                Quote: Den 11
                That's why you posted this photo of gypsy children of the 20s?

                Familiar, very familiar.
                You still promote -
                Werewolves of the NKVD with their atrocities compromised the OUN-UPA

                About other photo evidence _



                This is also not their work?
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 14 May 2014 10: 16
        +1
        Quote: obraztsov
        ... after the presidential election, the junta will declare in the southeast the regime of the counter-terrorist operation, which the security forces are so hungry for ...

        And now there is what, an educational excursion for "tourists" from "Black Water" and health camps for the Armed Forces, Subsidiaries and Nazi Guards or what?
        1. Vladimir73
          Vladimir73 14 May 2014 12: 51
          0
          Quote: PENZYAC
          And now there is what, an educational excursion for "tourists" from "Black Water" and health camps for the Armed Forces, Subsidiaries and Nazi Guards or what?


          Now they are slowly training and shelling the National Guard and seem to be working out the interaction (although it looks more like they are just stupidly imitating military actions and "chopping money" from the Customer).
    7. maks-101
      maks-101 14 May 2014 09: 19
      +2
      This is the case when you need to hurry more slowly.
      With feeling, really, arrangement!
      there is information that both Russian volunteers and South Ossetians are fighting on the side of the militias, Russia needs help with armaments, but it’s not clear what is probably being done.
    8. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 14 May 2014 09: 51
      0
      This is the case when you need to hurry more slowly.
      With feeling, really, arrangement!
      You correctly noticed, there is no need to rush.
      There is a joke on this subject: Two bulls, a young and an adult, are standing on a hilltop, and a herd of cows grazes below at the foot.
      Young offers an adult, let's quickly go down the hill and **** that cow!
      To which the adult answers him:
      We slowly go down and ***** the whole herd. hi
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    10. amigo1969
      amigo1969 14 May 2014 09: 54
      +3
      I agree! Hurrying, we will give the junta a chance to yell to the whole world about Russia's aggression and a request to NATO to send troops. Let the DPR and LPR first form at least some institutions of an independent state (army, police, courts, state structures ...). Then, the leadership of Novorossia may officially turn to the Russian Federation with requests: to send troops, give a loan, gas, oil .. and so on. hi
    11. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 14 May 2014 09: 54
      +4
      I think there is no rush for two reasons:
      1) I want to create New Russia.
      2) At the same time, without making enemies in the face of future Little Russians.
      Also unforgettable:
      1) Russia until March, approximately 140 million
      2) At the end of March 142 million
      3) By the summer of 142 million + 20 million. New Russia + by the fall of 20 million Little Russia (they also can’t be left face to face with the Nazis)
      And for this, the economy must be stable, unnecessary pontossors are also useless - that is why everything is smooth and without noise.
      But the result will still be correct !!!! hi
    12. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 14 May 2014 10: 25
      +3
      No matter how Russia would like to join these areas, in world politics this will be regarded as an act of aggression, and thereby Russia will confirm their assumption that initially it wanted to take over all of Ukraine. Riots can begin already against Russia in the same DNR of the LPR, all the more so that only a third of the population of these regions are fighting. The Kremlin is not stupid now, everyone understands this. Expectant policies are the most optimal.

      I’d call these skirmishes they can’t go on for long because of such facts - the junta’s money runs out, the gas is slowly shutting down, the identity of the Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa citizens wakes up, in the end, the people will overthrow the junta’s power, and this will help the Russian Federation, and Ukraine will sooner total in the final events will become a federation.
    13. Little Muck
      Little Muck 14 May 2014 10: 26
      +4
      Quote: Thompson
      This is the case when you need to hurry more slowly

      Right. Haste is known to be needed for lice and diarrhea. And these signs are seen just in the junta.
      And we leisurely go down from the mountain and further in meaning.
    14. nycsson
      nycsson 14 May 2014 11: 39
      +3
      How to understand Putin?

      babkin_k
      8 May, 13: 06
      It is very important to correctly understand the words of the president.

      Putin: slowing economic growth is not a reason to change priorities for the implementation of the "May decrees"

      Now everyone is wondering over the meaning of various statements by Putin, and I hope that this phrase deals specifically with the execution of decrees, and not about the need to change the priorities of economic policy.

      The need for a change in economic ideology is long overdue. For example, an interview on this subject by the legendary director of the plant Rostselmash Yu.A. Peskov.

      By the way, with Ukraine: if, as now, Russia considers WTO membership, combating inflation and accumulating the stabilization fund as economic priorities, then South-East of Ukraine, integration with it, can only be a burden.
      If industrial and agricultural production, creation, new industrialization are considered the priorities of economic policy, then the need and value of an effective regional union becomes obvious.

      At the moment, there are all prerequisites for changing the course, but real changes are not visible.

      So far, basically it is:
      UAZ stopped the conveyor for two weeks in March
      http://automoskva.com/news/2014/02/24/14717.html

      AvtoVAZ will be idle in May
      http://rus-auto.net/news/nid/9399/

      Ford conveyor stopped until June 8
      http://rusnovosti.ru/news/315683/

      Chevrolet Niva production stopped
      http://automobili.ru/news/param/15422/
    15. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 May 2014 12: 30
      +1
      Quote: Thompson
      This is the case when you need to hurry more slowly.
      With feeling, really, arrangement!

      In just 2-3 weeks the calm of comments on the site has changed! There are a lot of zasrancev who used to "tore the vest" and shouted: "Give me Kiev!" ; or: "brothers, you only have to stand for a day, but hold out for the night, and there, headed by Putin, we will rush to your aid in armored personnel carriers!; now they are singing in falsetto:" an asterisk fell from the sky right into my beloved pants: nothing that EVERYTHING burned out- if only there was no war! Unfortunately, even the phrase: "Russians do not abandon their own." Read, better, the note "Advice to Russians in Russia from Russians in Ukraine."
      1. Vladimir73
        Vladimir73 14 May 2014 13: 22
        +2
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        In just 2-3 weeks the calm of comments on the site has changed! There are a lot of zasrancev who used to "tore the vest" and yelled: "Give me Kiev!" ; or: "brothers, you just stand for a day, but hold out for the night, and there, led by Putin, we will rush to your aid in armored personnel carriers!; t


        Duc has changed because expected that the SE will rise like the Crimea. BUT ... THE SOUTH-EAST DIDN'T RISE !!! Moreover, Crimea categorically declared even before the referendum "WE ARE PART OF RUSSIA" and created self-defense units clearly, quickly, and the Crimean leadership acted loudly, decisively and their actions did not cause discrepancies. Then SE showed that everything is not so simple for him. There is a thousandth demonstration for joining the Russian Federation, and no less numerous demonstration goes for the independence of Ukraine and against "Russian aggressors".
        Even now, when unarmed protesting people are shooting and killing in the southeast, the Resistance has no consensus on which way to go further - independence or joining the Russian Federation.
        So dear Nikolaevich I (1), the rhetoric therefore subsided because it extinguished SE by its actions.
    16. ssskalinin
      ssskalinin 14 May 2014 18: 13
      0
      There is no need to rush, we must return a healthy person to society. Quote. In fact, the decision of the GDP will be very difficult, I hope it will be a balanced decision, which will in no way affect the life and health of Russians
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 14 May 2014 18: 24
        0
        Why, take up arms and go to protect your own (possibly die) -weak? All someone for you has to do something
    17. krpmlws
      krpmlws 14 May 2014 19: 56
      +1
      The author of the article equates the situations in SE and Ossetia. However, the situations there are different: there was a Russian peacekeeping battalion in Ossetia, which the Georgian army attacked. Also, the author grinds the bullshit claiming that the DPR and LPR have not decided on the skeleton of power fool .He is surprised by the differences in the political position of the representatives of the authorities? So what? People are different, have different positions, this is normal, according to the results of the dialogue they will form a common position, give time. The referendums in SE and Crimea, of course, differed, but only in that Russian troops were in the Crimea. In general, this article is yet another attempt to whitewash the position of the Russian Federation with respect to Southeast. Here it’s all crooked somehow. The only explanation, in my opinion, of the position of the Russian Federation is an attempt with minimal aggravation of relations with the West (therefore, the Russian Federation does not renders assistance to SE and makes political statements on the postponement of the referendum, realizing that the referendum will be held as scheduled), to achieve maximum results in preventing NATO expansion further east.
    18. com.pozer
      com.pozer 15 May 2014 00: 12
      +1
      One of the main recent events is the creation of the Novorossiya party. This remarkable forward-looking step was made to politically consolidate the victory of the majority of the South-East and further, as a possible option, victory through a legitimate parliamentary way. Now there will be someone to vote for throughout Ukraine.
    19. NEMO7
      NEMO7 15 May 2014 00: 21
      +1
      Igor Strelkova, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the DPR Troops, ANNOUNCES THE KYIV JUNE THE ULTIMATUM ON WITHDRAWAL OF THE TROOPS within 24 hours
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  2. Alexey N
    Alexey N 14 May 2014 08: 28
    +18
    The "stingy reaction of Moscow" looks ugly. It looks like a "drain" of all citizens of the now Donetsk republic.
    Our people, Russian people perish, and Russia scares enemies with silence ...
    Russian people want liveand not die from the bullets of the Nazis. And live in Russia. What is the problem? Does Washington not approve?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 May 2014 08: 32
      +21
      Quote: Alexey N
      "Moscow's stingy reaction" looks ugly


      Do not rush, Who would have thought two months ago that Dmitry Medvedev would hold meetings in Simferopol on the socio-economic development of the peninsula?
      1. Alexey N
        Alexey N 14 May 2014 08: 40
        +11
        For Sevastopol NOT Thank you Medvedev. No one is in a hurry. And they are fighting in Slavyansk.
        1. alex56
          alex56 14 May 2014 08: 55
          +10
          Alexey N, and did you personally communicate with residents of at least Donetsk?
          For example, I have one such friend in my acquaintances, so despite the fact that he voted for the separation, as a whole he wants to live more in Ukraine, and not in Russia. He wants his homeland to be a strong country and does not want it to be a pawn and a puppet.
          In the southeast of Ukraine there is no unity such as in the Crimea. If they join Russia, then they still have a very long way to go, and they need to start by expelling the pro-Kiev armed forces from their territory.
          I really want the whole of Novorossia to return to us (as in the rest of Ukraine), but before that it is very far away and it is completely unnecessary to rush.
          1. Alexey N
            Alexey N 14 May 2014 09: 03
            -2
            Alexey N, did you personally communicate with residents of at least Donetsk?
            Yes.
            In the southeast of Ukraine there is no unity such as in the Crimea.

            It looks like "I AM KRYMCHANKA, OFFICER'S Daughter". You are not a NATO torll?
            Nobody talks about SE, I talked about DONBASS.
            1. alex56
              alex56 14 May 2014 09: 11
              +4
              Alexey N, you read inattentively.
              I repeat:
              ..Here, for example, I have one such friend in my acquaintances, so despite the fact that he voted for the secession, as a whole, he wants to live in Ukraine more than in Russia. He wants his country to be a strong country and does not want it to be a pawn and a puppet ...


              Donbas is only one region of southeast Ukraine. And there, as throughout Ukraine, there is no unity. Yes, there are slightly more those who support federalization and they are more active. But among them, not everyone wants to be part of Russia, however much you would like to.
              Crimea took decisive action on time. But Donbas, alas, they did not wait (now, in my far from professional opinion, they should cleanse their homeland as a bundle of riffraffers. Plus, stop paying taxes to the center and establish an economy.
              And, of course, Russia should help in this, but with more subtle methods, and not chop off bitterness and shoulder. We have discovered a mass of opportunities to achieve our goal, without shedding the blood of Russian soldiers, ahead of time.
            2. Dangerous
              Dangerous 14 May 2014 09: 29
              +1
              Anyone with a hot ass does not rush to join the southeast of Ukraine-NATO Trolls ?? You’ve gotten a head on your campaign, since you’re carrying such nonsense. It’s better to play some kind of computer strategy, there you can take over the whole world !! And geopolitics is such a delicate matter that people work there and make decisions guided by many different factors, which in most cases we will never know. If countries like you had it, then for a long time all would * be interchanged with each other
              1. Gomunkul
                Gomunkul 14 May 2014 10: 28
                -3
                Anyone with a hot ass does not rush to join the southeast of Ukraine-NATO Trolls ?? You’ve gotten a head on your campaign, since you’re carrying such nonsense.
                Most likely it is youthful maximalism that speaks. Therefore, I remembered the words of my great-grandfather who had gone through the Great Patriotic War about such maximalists when they went on the attack: here, young people, at dawn we would be advancing slowly to the enemy trenches while the enemy was asleep, and they immediately "Hurray", here is their fascist from machine guns and put them all. "I can not vouch for the accuracy of the story, I was small at that time, but I caught the meaning. hi
                1. Alexey N
                  Alexey N 15 May 2014 00: 14
                  0
                  Most likely this youthful maximalism says.

                  Are you going north? There you go, with Sherkhan laughing The teenager you are, a local spill.
                  1. Gomunkul
                    Gomunkul 15 May 2014 11: 13
                    0
                    The teenager you are, a local spill.
                    I do not fall into this category because of my age.
                    TEENAGER
                    [eng. teenager - teenager] - a boy or girl aged 13-19 years.

                    Are you going north? There you go, with Sherkhan

                    And this saying says that you are more prone to emotions than you follow common sense. Since you did not understand my idea, I will try to convey it to you with the statement of W. Cherchel:
                    He who was not a radical in his youth — he does not have a heart; he does not become a conservative in his maturity — he has no mind.

                    PS So in the age of my age I became a conservative. hi
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              3. Alexey N
                Alexey N 15 May 2014 00: 04
                0
                who with a hot ass

                You’ve got a head on your campaign, since you’re carrying such nonsense

                You probably don’t know how to talk without obscenities and insults, but all the same, about geopolitics.
                Learn to respect the opinions of others, especially you are a minority. And the fifth column of Russia.
                1. Gomunkul
                  Gomunkul 15 May 2014 11: 21
                  0
                  Learn to respect the opinions of others, especially you are a minority.
                  You ask to respect your opinion, while not trying to respect someone else's. In this way, you will not learn to conduct a dialogue. hi
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          2. podpolkovnik
            podpolkovnik 14 May 2014 09: 56
            +3
            Quote: alex56
            Alexey N..... If they join Russia, they still have a long way to go, and they need to start with the expulsion of the pro-Kiev armed forces from their territory.
            I really want the whole of Novorossia to return to us (as in the rest of Ukraine), but before that it is very far away and it is completely unnecessary to rush.


            Not expulsion!
            You need to beat them!
            To either run away from there headlong and leaving weapons and military equipment!
            Or, having hung on the barrels of the guns of the "looking" from the Pravosek, they went over with weapons and equipment to the side of the militia. And along the way, taking with them one of the ambitious political politicians, such as Lyashko, Avakov, Nalyvaychenko, etc., judging by their speeches, they often visit places where troops are deployed.
    2. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 14 May 2014 08: 54
      +3
      Does Washington not approve?

      It’s just that the DNR problem is becoming an all-Russian economic problem. Keep silent and just about prestige.
      In general, everything is as always, Malorosia blazed at the wrong time. By joining the Crimea, Russia received a small but extremely capacious region in the budget consumption plan.
      Therefore, by attaching even at least one region (Donetsk, Lugansk, etc.), we will definitely get a powerful blazing crisis, and not a silent increase in prices with hyperinflation.
      It is also impossible to ignore the needs of the DNI, otherwise even faithful allies will turn their backs on Russia, and this is a blow to Russia's defense and economic capabilities.
      Vobschem wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge
      1. Consul-t
        Consul-t 14 May 2014 09: 17
        +1
        I agree. We now do not economically pull this region.
        Local residents themselves must defend their families and their land. And to prove to the whole world that they should be taken into account with them and their choice and will at the referendum.
        And we should help them in moderation with advisers and weapons. But to bring in troops - I think it’s premature. This can drag on for years to come. This is not Ossetia.
    3. domokl
      domokl 14 May 2014 08: 54
      +8
      Quote: Alexey N
      Our people, Russian people perish, and Russia scares enemies with silence

      And on which side? Let me ask you? No need to hide behind deaths. People die because no one does anything. Like dill and rebels. They just shoot at each other.
      Has the leadership of the DPR created a state? Who is the president? Who is the prime minister? Where is the Council or Duma? The correct reaction ... Having said A, the DPR should say B and so on in alphabetical order ... Any country is not only a people, but also a complex system of command, defense, economy and so on. There is nothing other than words.
    4. Russ69
      Russ69 14 May 2014 09: 07
      +3
      Quote: Alexey N
      The "stingy reaction of Moscow" looks ugly. It looks like a "drain" of all citizens of the now Donetsk republic.

      You, with the desire to wave your checker as soon as possible, can shed even more blood. The referendum and its results were recognized as needed.
      in order to recognize statehood, the DPR and LPR must possess all the attributes of the state. Now the formation of all organons has just begun. Now, when there will be one power in these territories, then only then can we start a conversation about recognition and other things ...
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 14 May 2014 09: 19
        +13
        Quote: Russ69
        Quote: Alexey N
        The "stingy reaction of Moscow" looks ugly. It looks like a "drain" of all citizens of the now Donetsk republic.

        You, with the desire to wave your checker as soon as possible, can shed even more blood. The referendum and its results were recognized as needed.
        in order to recognize statehood, the DPR and LPR must possess all the attributes of the state. Now the formation of all organons has just begun. Now, when there will be one power in these territories, then only then can we start a conversation about recognition and other things ...

        Two, what a checker is there. This is a chatterbox and provocateur. Nothing more.
        Those who really want to wave have already left for Lugansk and Donetsk.

        The more I read the hysterical calls to send in the troops of the Russian Federation, the more I am convinced that the majority simply do not have the slightest understanding of the situation, only continuous emotions. And the provocateurs heat them up. Moreover, some provocateurs do not even realize that they are provocateurs.

        Thousands of volunteers have already left for the Southeast. And tens of thousands gather. The mechanism has already been worked out, through Abkhazia and South Ossetia. There is a corridor for support.
        Answer me cheers patriots - WHERE THE HORSE NEED OUR MILITIES IN UKRAINE !!! WHOM ARE YOU TO FIGHT WITH THEM? With the half-decomposed Ukrainian army, when the battalions in full force deserted or refused to obey orders? With the stoned zapadensky teenagers who a month ago took up arms and have no idea about military service / discipline? With whom is it that the local militia could not cope with, which is growing numerically faster than losing its people?
        Introduce Russian troops what would that? What would the West immediately scream that we, too, are using double standards and free their hands for direct occupation? What would our allies (China, Iran, India, Latin America, etc.) turn away from us? Do you want that? Well, if you succeed in all this, then not only Ukraine, but the whole of Russia will have an immediate kirdyk. Think about it before yelling out "judge for soap"!
        1. soaring
          soaring 14 May 2014 11: 50
          0
          I fully support you, Al_lexx!
          It’s impossible to hurry now, otherwise we’ll lose everything .... DO NOT consider yourself smarter than our presidents and ministers, who have more information than we do and draw the right conclusions ... Our leadership and intelligence and analytics, we have , for frequent, just emotions and hatred, and this is dangerous! hi
        2. Alexey N
          Alexey N 15 May 2014 00: 28
          +1
          Two, what a checker is there. This is a chatterbox and provocateur.

          Keep track of the words, mouse and keyboard worker. Do not judge everyone by yourself.
          Probably, there are two points from the pot, and there too.
    5. gandalf
      gandalf 14 May 2014 09: 13
      +6
      There was no mean reaction. The reaction was normal.

      Moscow respects the will of the population of Donetsk and Lugansk regions and proceeds from the fact that practical implementation of the results of referenda will pass in a civilized way without any recurrence of violenceThrough dialogue between representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk.


      Translated from the diplomatic:
      we recognize the referendum, Kiev should stop the ATO and remove the troops and sit at the negotiating table with representatives of the DPR and LPR.

      Clearer than clear. wink
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 14 May 2014 09: 24
        +2
        Quote: gandalf
        There was no mean reaction. The reaction was normal.

        Moscow respects the will of the population of Donetsk and Lugansk regions and proceeds from the fact that practical implementation of the results of referenda will pass in a civilized way without any recurrence of violenceThrough dialogue between representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk.


        Translated from the diplomatic:
        we recognize the referendum, Kiev should stop the ATO and remove the troops and sit at the negotiating table with representatives of the DPR and LPR.

        Clearer than clear. wink

        +100500
    6. Mercenary
      Mercenary 14 May 2014 09: 36
      +2
      Let's clarify: The question of the entry of Donetsk and Lugansk in the referendum was not raised at all. Legally, people voted for independence from the Kiev junta. Of course you need help, but Moscow does not need to climb out of your skin. The people have not yet ripened for such a step.
    7. vsoltan
      vsoltan 14 May 2014 09: 48
      -7
      Yeah, so this is "meaningfully silent" ... but for me, they have the guts to risk their personal assets abroad ...
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 14 May 2014 10: 37
        -1
        Yeah, so this is "meaningfully silent" ... but for me, they have the guts to risk their personal assets abroad ...
        Well, since you personally have nothing to lose, volunteer to Slavyansk, on the spot you will help people with what to do on the forum with chatter. As Vladimir Lenin said: Yes, you, my friend, are a provocateur! " yes
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 14 May 2014 16: 02
          +2
          Mr. Gomunkulius .... I, alas, am not the first freshness, and in addition I am physically disabled (I can show a certificate) .... and you, such a cool patriot, can you see that form in Slavyansk? What did you personally do before you started to get personal and rude?
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      3. vsoltan
        vsoltan 14 May 2014 15: 58
        +3
        People, I didn’t get involved in anything - why are you so actively negating me in this matter .... Am I wrong? Do we have all power with white wings? And all - yeah - all polls returned the money to Russia? Three times ha ha .... minus !!!
  3. olf_1959
    olf_1959 14 May 2014 08: 30
    +6
    The habits of the ostrich. But no matter how you hide from reality, you will not leave. The war has already begun and the sooner we begin to eradicate the brown plague on Nezalezhnaya, the better for us. Spill less blood.
  4. saag
    saag 14 May 2014 08: 32
    +6
    This is the second "Pridnestrovie", so to speak, which is also asking, but they will not take any steps, so here, until all the regions of the southeast unite, and this will not be soon, then such a frontier zone will remain in which there is neither peace nor war
  5. zzzxzzz
    zzzxzzz 14 May 2014 08: 33
    +13
    Quote: Thompson
    This is the case when you need to hurry more slowly.
    With feeling, really, arrangement!

    I agree. But DNR and LC should be helped without a visible reaction.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 14 May 2014 09: 47
      +3
      Quote: zzzxzzz
      I agree. But DNR and LC should be helped without a visible reaction.

      Now Russia helps at the diplomatic level. Which is extremely important for the young republics. Moreover, experiencing increasing pressure and swallowing new sanctions. Obviously, it’s not just like that ...
      There is some kind of unofficial help, several hundred Cossacks crossed the border with weapons probably not just like that, and even as I heard on the radio, there were enough weapons and the locals could still arm ...
  6. Altona
    Altona 14 May 2014 08: 33
    +5
    We also cannot completely gouge international law "the right of nations to self-determination" following the example of the Americans, all the same, foreign policy costs are also accumulating, Crimea has not "cooled down" yet ... Recognition of "new" territories can also entail financial losses in the form of gas debt ...
  7. bucha12
    bucha12 14 May 2014 08: 33
    +12
    Let's wait. Indeed, everything is known in comparison
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 14 May 2014 08: 34
    +7
    Unfortunately, he knew that, so Putin didn’t joke that the referendum should be postponed, as many here thought and tried to convince, thanks at least they didn’t instruct you. Well, the referendum was in favor, so that everyone would see that the Donbass really is 90% against the junta. And so, a legal referendum is needed after the elections, only then it will be possible to put an end to it, such a law, the yanyk has subscribed to it, and Russia honors the law, and if it doesn’t, then it will be like America, in a bad sense.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 14 May 2014 09: 46
      +2
      Quote: ZU-23
      Putin did not joke that a referendum should be postponed

      He made recommendations, and it’s not by chance, we’ll see the whole compote on 25, I hope Kiev doesn’t drown in blood, but the fact that it will be hot there does not need to be a visionary and the fact that all this national guard will rush back is a fact !!!
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 14 May 2014 10: 21
        +2
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        He made recommendations, and it’s not by chance, we’ll see the whole compote on 25, I hope Kiev doesn’t drown in blood, but the fact that it will be hot there does not need to be a visionary and the fact that all this national guard will rush back is a fact !!!

        Huh. The Nazis should definitely kill each other, and the militia will help them, those who just want to sit shameful for sins. Maybe the army will turn on the brain.
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      3. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 14 May 2014 11: 26
        +2
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        Quote: ZU-23
        Putin did not joke that a referendum should be postponed

        He made recommendations, and it’s not by chance, we’ll see the whole compote on 25, I hope Kiev doesn’t drown in blood, but the fact that it will be hot there does not need to be a visionary and the fact that all this national guard will rush back is a fact !!!

        The 27-28-th butch will begin if, before that, the Blackwater Special Forces did not control Julia-will.
  9. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 14 May 2014 08: 35
    +7
    I think the GDP is waiting for elections, after them in Ukraine, this will begin! In addition, the accession will now cause difficulties with the rest of the regions (Kiev will release its already not great forces, and will be able to use them in more "inert" regions, with greater efficiency) And In general, Ukraine itself is moving towards collapse, you just have to wait, Since no one will help the bankrupt, But the United States just dreams of fighting with Russia with the hands of Ukraine, so why should they help?
  10. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 May 2014 08: 36
    +2
    With the independence of the regions of the South-East of Ukraine, not everything is as simple as you want.
    As independent territorial / state formations, they still need to take place ... this is not only world recognition (and to hell with it) ... the establishment of a normal life of the population ... economic and economic relations and local self-government. In general, many different tasks.
    As to whether ... to remain in Ukraine as federal entities ... to live independently or to become part of Russia, this is generally the task of the following stages. And I don’t really believe it (it’s just that the population of these territories is different ... there are differences from the Crimea) ... that there will be a desire for the overwhelming majority to become part of Russia, even if Russia itself does not need the federal status of regions even as a precedent.
    1. andj61
      andj61 14 May 2014 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: silberwolf88
      And I don’t really believe it (it’s just that the population of these territories is different ... there are differences from the Crimea) ... that there will be a desire for the overwhelming majority to become part of Russia, even if Russia itself does not need the federal status of regions even as a precedent.

      The desire of the population will be, the federal status of the regions of Russia on the drum - we have ALL regions - subjects of the Federation. The main question is in the economy: we will not be able to "pull", apart from the Crimea, the entire South-East without a significant decrease in the standard of living of the people. The new republics need to show their economic viability, build a state, incl. and the army, remove foreign troops from their territory. But to help them at ALL levels, and not only at the diplomatic level, is an urgent urgent need!
  11. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 14 May 2014 08: 37
    +1
    Yanukovych is not involved yet (against the background of the terrible crimes of the Kiev junta) ..We are waiting for May 25! Calm the main thing is peace ..
  12. KOH
    KOH 14 May 2014 08: 37
    +5
    And personally, Putin didn’t say anything ... silence ...- before the next I think a slap in the face of the Euroborg ...
    1. xan
      xan 14 May 2014 15: 24
      +2
      Quote: CON
      And personally, Putin did not say anything ... silence

      GDP, to put it mildly, of a low opinion of the Western political establishment, and on the issue of Ukraine, Western clowns also personally hurt him. I know from those who know.
      I am 100% sure that on the dill issue the Kremlin will squeeze everything to the maximum, and the maximum - all dill.
      Hunters and Bandera, get ready, no one will forget Odessa and Mariupol.
  13. morpogr
    morpogr 14 May 2014 08: 40
    +7
    First you need to finish the junta so that it takes its punishers from the territories of the republics, then the creation of all institutions of power with the help of Russia. And then the process of joining the TS in Russia, etc. This is a very delicate process. There is no mistake. Time plays on us because the economic and political collapse of the junta is getting closer.
  14. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 14 May 2014 08: 41
    +1
    Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron
    Quote: olf_1959
    The habits of the ostrich. But no matter how you hide from reality, you will not leave. The war has already begun and the sooner we begin to eradicate the brown plague on Nezalezhnaya, the better for us. Spill less blood.

    About the ostrich, I suppose, this is about the position of the leadership of the Russian Federation? Can you write down the recipe for "eradicating the brown plague on Nezalezhnaya"?


    So such cheers of patriots only have one recipe. Get into a fight, and whatever happens ...
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 14 May 2014 09: 16
      +3
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      such patriots cheers have only one recipe. Get involved in a fight, and whatever happens ..

      To you +. I’ll add on my own, not just get into a fight, but it is advisable that someone get involved in a fight.
  15. yulka2980
    yulka2980 14 May 2014 08: 42
    +12
    Many are now alarmed by Putin’s silence about the referendum, but events show that in the end he does everything right. We have no choice but to trust our president, time will put everything in its place. Even on our website, people's opinions vary widely on this issue. Imagine how many advisers have GDP in the Kremlin and everyone most likely has their own point of view. In Crimea, everyone was in favor, but here the situation is more complicated and significantly!
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 14 May 2014 09: 23
      +1
      So it is, but the "guys from Donbass" with their decisions (they played "independence") complicated the task of P. Smacks of the Yanuca style.
  16. parus2nik
    parus2nik 14 May 2014 08: 44
    +2
    Joining now the Donbass, a direct clash between Russia and the junta .. and this is expected in the West .. But economic and military assistance should be provided ... And with the recognition of sovereignty it is not worth rushing .. this is the last step ... the US wants to fight, not need to meet the needs of Americans ...
  17. shinobi
    shinobi 14 May 2014 08: 47
    +1
    It’s too early to accept, not everyone in the Extreme has realized that without the help of the Russian Federation it simply won’t exist. Somewhere on the resource there is an article that is available to be developed.
  18. Gray 43
    Gray 43 14 May 2014 08: 48
    0
    As long as there is no unity of opinion in the comrades, Moscow will wait, there is not a single line in their political priorities clear. It seems that the normal signs of power are emerging, but also within the borders of the regions, where is a single center of command and defense?
  19. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 14 May 2014 08: 48
    +1
    The wine is uncorked. Still have to drink.
  20. denchik1977
    denchik1977 14 May 2014 08: 49
    +4
    The silence of the Kremlin can only indicate one thing: the West is preparing an answer, by which the entry of Crimea into Russia is just babble .... And most likely this answer will be the last nail in the grave for the whole of Western civilization ....
    1. Exspert1987
      Exspert1987 18 May 2014 17: 45
      0
      God bless your words!
  21. jekasimf
    jekasimf 14 May 2014 08: 52
    +1
    After the 3 of June, when Russia will block the gas, oh, like many, brains will be cleared in Ukra. It is better to wait a bit until mid-autumn and unite the entire Southeast to the Republic of Novorossia. And now provide military assistance. the army of Ukrainians is concentrated in Donbas. If you put it there, then it will be easier for other regions.
    1. Exspert1987
      Exspert1987 18 May 2014 17: 48
      0
      After Russia blocks the gas, these devils of Kiev will spin like in a pan !!! That's right !!!
  22. boozer
    boozer 14 May 2014 09: 00
    +2
    All the same, it is impossible to unequivocally answer this question. It is difficult to figure out who plays what games and by whose rules. Where to pull each other. Yes, there is a civil war in Ukraine, no matter how regrettable the reckoning for this human life. That was what struck me. China began to make timid, far-reaching statements on Ukraine and those responsible for the crisis. Perhaps, I repeat, perhaps we are actually on the verge of tremendous changes. The world is still multipolar.
  23. Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 May 2014 09: 00
    +2
    Everyone needs to be patient. The accession of the Southeast is necessary for us, but now it is too early to do it. Maybe it will be too late, we will miss this chance by postponing the accession, but the risks are greater if we do it now. First, all southeastern regions should be united into a single whole. Secondly, there should still be a referendum in which people decide the issue of joining Russia. Without such a referendum, we have no right to join anything. I think that the whole of New Russia will be annexed after its reconstruction from different regions of the Southeast. And this recreation is not an easy and quick process. Of course, I would like it to happen sooner so that less blood is shed, but most likely it won’t.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 14 May 2014 09: 21
      0
      Quote: Svetlana
      we have no right to attach anything.

      And who established this right? Who defines and respects rights?
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 14 May 2014 09: 37
        -3
        Anarchy wanted ?? Well, go (or walk) to the red light, take away money from a passerby, appropriate your neighbor’s wife. Che smoked, can you tell me ??
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 14 May 2014 12: 14
          +3
          Quote: Dangerous
          Anarchy wanted ??

          The sir did not have the "honor" to drink with you, that would go to "you".
          Quote: Dangerous
          Che smoked

          Tobacco.
          Quote: Dangerous
          take away money from a passerby, appropriate your neighbor’s wife.

          Evo, where have you taken. Have you at least read the post under which I left a comment regarding only the application of the notorious "international law"? I hope you will find examples of manipulation of international laws. For starters - Kosovo, The Hague Tribunal and Libya. For whom the power is, for that and the interpretation of the rules. For whom there is weakness, for those who appeal to the "world community" and "the law." You, sir, minus, for being rude.
          1. Dangerous
            Dangerous 14 May 2014 14: 23
            0
            Who cares what kind of law? I am surprised at your position - it’s so simple to take it away, attach it. Is it really so difficult to predict the situation at least a few steps forward? Fortunately, our management thinks a little differently.
          2. Dangerous
            Dangerous 14 May 2014 14: 23
            0
            Who cares what kind of law? I am surprised at your position - it’s so simple to take it away, attach it. Is it really so difficult to predict the situation at least a few steps forward? Fortunately, our management thinks a little differently.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 14 May 2014 18: 22
              +1
              Quote: Dangerous
              Who cares what kind of law?

              Substantial. It's one thing when laws don't work in a country - then anarchy and tension. Another is the relationship between countries. Honduras will be to blame for anybody in a dispute with the United States, even if it is 1000 times right, and no one will help Honduras. I don't want to live in Honduras.
              Quote: Dangerous
              Fortunately, our management thinks a little differently.

              Then our leadership should not have rushed words about New Russia and the Russian World and didn’t scam people.
              Quote: Dangerous
              Is it really so difficult to predict the situation at least a few steps forward

              Yes please. New Russia outside Russia is either a corpse or Ukraine 2.0, life itself will make you sit on different chairs. Those who really win sovereignty will be wrested from power by oligarchs and politicians. Donbass is not Transnistria, a tidbit too much. And then there’s the same rake: gas, loans, Yanukovychs, Maidans.
          3. Exspert1987
            Exspert1987 18 May 2014 17: 56
            0
            That's right!
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      3. Exspert1987
        Exspert1987 18 May 2014 17: 54
        0
        America and the EU are in no hurry to comply with these rules themselves
  24. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 14 May 2014 09: 01
    +8
    Well, is this for those who gave me almost a hundred minuses when I argued that Putin was not going to respond to the punitive operation? Many here began to talk abstrusely about the secret plan, well, so it is the secret plan, what other evidence is needed? I marvel at the naivete of many who seek secret meanings in ordinary political statements. Once again I’m ahead of the injections regarding the deployment of troops, I have never called for the introduction. Someone ascribed to me to raise my rating. But it was just political support that could have been. There is today only one option for resolving the situation in the eastern regions. Urgent unification, creation of full-fledged government structures, and especially financial ones. Without a normal financial system Any republic is not viable. And the best choice is the state planning system, i.e. socialism. everything else is not able to solve all the problems.
    1. lars
      lars 14 May 2014 11: 31
      +2
      I totally agree! First of all, organizational, financial and economic work. Especially difficult will be the questions of nationalization if they arise, and they logically have already arisen.
      1. Vladimir73
        Vladimir73 14 May 2014 14: 00
        0
        So already declared that they will nationalize industrial enterprises located in the republics.
        Here Avakov will be surprised at such situations laughing
  25. 2014ya.ru
    2014ya.ru 14 May 2014 09: 05
    0
    If the referendum were held all over the Southeast [united] and it would be recognized in the UN Security Council, then the Russian Federation would be much easier to accept them in the composition.
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 14 May 2014 09: 27
      0
      and he is not recognized in the West in any case; there is no such law on referenda in Ukraine, and that’s all.
      even though all 100 percent of the population will vote for joining the Russian Federation.
      in the West they only recognize what is beneficial to them.
      1. 2014ya.ru
        2014ya.ru 14 May 2014 09: 36
        0
        Why did Crimea vote? And isn't Ukraine a member of the UN
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 14 May 2014 09: 43
          +2
          What are you doing with your "take in" ??? And why do we need it, did anyone think? And how will this affect relations with the rest of the world, including our allies ?? How much money should be poured into these regions to raise them? Due to the construction of a bridge, we have to abandon the construction of a deep-water port on the Black Sea (like in Tuapse0 and the construction of a much-needed bridge across the Lena in Yakutia. Well, Crimea, fame, valor, a resort and all that ... And because of the south -East of Ukraine what projects will have to be scrapped?
          1. 2014ya.ru
            2014ya.ru 14 May 2014 09: 55
            0
            The Americans are trying to set up their bases as close as possible, but the Southeast is stopping them and they are setting the junta and driving their dollars into this civil war. Everything goes according to their plan.
            1. Exspert1987
              Exspert1987 18 May 2014 18: 05
              0
              Do not go to a fortuneteller
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  26. volot-voin
    volot-voin 14 May 2014 09: 06
    +2
    Quote: Vadivak
    Dmitry Medvedev will hold meetings in Simferopol on the socio-economic development of the peninsula?

    And what is worse than Donetsk and Lugansk? Why not hold such meetings there? Do not stop the civil war? After all, they quarreled with the West anyway, so even these territories would be attached to the noise.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 14 May 2014 09: 45
      +2
      There is such a toy, called Total war. There you can play for the Romans. There is a part where in the Middle Ages, there you can play for the Russians and conquer all of Europe !! I highly recommend you !!
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  27. Yellow white
    Yellow white 14 May 2014 09: 07
    +1
    Reminds of Krylov's fable "Swan cancer and pike" ... but things are still there ...
    Patience!
  28. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 14 May 2014 09: 07
    +2
    Whether or not someone likes the referendum data, but the fact remains. People said their word. It is alarming that there are a lot of chatter around these referenda. And as you know, we can never talk the best intentions. Americans do not chat, or rather do, and only then provide informational cover. We talk a lot, but sometimes we don’t get to the point. Exception Crimea. They really did it at first, and only then did the talking room begin. You need to understand that Ukraine is no more. And think now what to do next, taking into account the data of the referenda. In a bed account, it is legal or not to provide assistance to the South-East of Ukraine.
    1. Exspert1987
      Exspert1987 18 May 2014 18: 09
      0
      Ukraine is no more. and she has no borders, but by the way, she never had
  29. Grbear
    Grbear 14 May 2014 09: 08
    +1
    Volodin is right when he talks about the referendum as a reaction of the population to the threat of physical destruction. But this is not politics, but emotions. Proposal P to revise the timing of referendums is a chance to move to a different level. But the regions could not agree among themselves, and this is the main problem. And the reason for the "stingy" reaction of the Kremlin. The regions, having won an instant referendum for their republic, embarked on a more difficult path of international recognition, each individually, amid internal disagreements.

    The situation is classic. Leaders act together when the threat escalates, and scatter when it dies out. Ambitions, desires of "gray" cardinals, the illusion of power and the mirage of money come to the fore. Little remains of the Russian Spring.
  30. pravda2014s
    pravda2014s 14 May 2014 09: 10
    -3
    All this reminds me of Transnistria, they still had it, until the blood spilled, our liberals would not move. 7 million Russians want to join Russia and they do not care, creatures.
    1. APS
      APS 14 May 2014 09: 30
      +2
      Blood has already been shed for a long time, and in order to stop this it is necessary not to wave a saber, but to answer so that it would be disgraceful, which means to answer the puppeteers without leaving them any chance or loopholes. The solution will be and no doubt ...
      1. Exspert1987
        Exspert1987 18 May 2014 18: 12
        0
        We look forward to a solution then
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 14 May 2014 09: 35
      +2
      Did they call you directly from Donetsk or Lugansk? Was there a referendum? Think first then write. Russia will not quit, you can not doubt it, but they must decide what they want.
  31. Sergg
    Sergg 14 May 2014 09: 14
    0
    Rather, the two republics would merge into one Novorossia. And there Russia will certainly help to form state bodies and create conditions for returning to Russia.
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 May 2014 09: 16
    +2
    It's okay. why no one noticed the adoption of a law on the facilitated adoption of Russian citizenship for the Russian-speaking population. Now we need to put it into practice there in the South-East and then everything will go as it should. These republics will become de facto Russian. In the meantime, fight off the attacks of the Pravoseks and form Power. And the "world community" in the person of the State Department can be wiped off.
  33. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 14 May 2014 09: 17
    0
    Now it’s right not to rush into decisions so as not to expose the people to the muzzle of Bendera and mercenaries, although they are already under it!
  34. tokin1959
    tokin1959 14 May 2014 09: 19
    +6
    Moscow has a somewhat "subtler" idea.
    Moscow advised Kiev to start a dialogue with the new republics.
    Kiev naturally will not go to them, or only on its own terms - disarm, surrender to the National Guard, let us let you choose the governor yourself, well, maybe we won’t forbid to speak Russian at home.
    therefore, in a civilized manner, following the example of the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the junta will not want to, but will continue the ATO.
    which is clearly in the hands of Moscow in the international arena - the junta is insane, is not negotiating.
    Moscow can solve it by military means - but there will be significant complications in the international arena - isolation, serious sanctions.
    Moscow does not need this, so Moscow wants to ruin Ukraine, bring it to a default state - this is cruel, but necessary. The West cannot help Ukraine in anything, it’s not Kosovo, with a small territory - they took over Kosovo, invested a little money and that’s all.
    The West does not have enough money for Ukraine, the West will go bankrupt to feed Ukraine, the West will not go for it. and willy-nilly, the West will have to make contact with Moscow on the conditions of Moscow, and this is the legitimization of Crimea, and the determination of the legitimate status of new territories.
    the most important thing now is to keep the new republics afloat, throw all Ukrainian structures out of their region, including the army, border guards, SBU, etc., take the border of the republics under their protection, and continue to build their state structures.
    plus, if possible, a seizure of power in Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, wherever possible.
    in general - the more destabilization - the better at the moment, well, non-participation in the elections of May 25, and sabotage in neighboring areas of these so-called elections.
    1. Exspert1987
      Exspert1987 18 May 2014 18: 18
      0
      Speaking right!
  35. Karabin
    Karabin 14 May 2014 09: 20
    -6
    Why Moscow sparingly reacted to the results of referenda

    To put it bluntly, Moscow reacted to the outcome with a sour face and does not do a damn for the reunification of New Russia with Russia.
  36. Pitman
    Pitman 14 May 2014 09: 20
    +4
    Want to know the truth? Sometimes you can just not ask questions, but watch silently - the truth itself will open before you ... In silence, the truth is revealed ...
    sad
  37. drop
    drop 14 May 2014 09: 22
    +6
    Dear VO readers, how great is our respect for the peoples of Donetsk and Lugansk. In Russia, everyone is on their side, well, practically everything. I remember our work in Angola, when the South African troops began to destroy the people and the political system of this country, I had to be there. The government turned to our country and Cuba for help, but we prepared this help, albeit in advance, in advance. In three months, South African troops were defeated. Then our country fell apart and we gave our victories to others.
    Today, the Government of this republic needs an appeal to Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, China, Cuba for military assistance for the expulsion and physical destruction of Bandera who have entered the Republic. Without the help of volunteers and weapons, the people of the new republic will be difficult at first. Then financial assistance is needed, but the people in this republic are labor and business, they will cope. I have the honor.
    1. andj61
      andj61 14 May 2014 13: 11
      +1
      I fully support! Only first you need to create both a state and a government. Now there is none of this.
    2. Exspert1987
      Exspert1987 18 May 2014 18: 24
      0
      I fully support
  38. bistrov.
    bistrov. 14 May 2014 09: 22
    +3
    And what can Russia say and do? To immediately accept these republics into your membership? So the topic of the referendum was completely different. Everything should go its course, the creation of a government, the creation of the armed forces, the creation of own finances and pension bodies. And there Russia will look.
  39. anip
    anip 14 May 2014 09: 22
    +6
    How interesting all the same. Not so long ago, the majority on the site shouted for the immediate accession of the entire South-East of Ukraine to Russia, there were few (including this minority) who said that there WILL NOT be any accession of the South-East of Ukraine to Russia (especially similar to the Crimean) , one poor thing was even minded almost dead. laughing
    And now how the opinion of the majority of those present here has polarized. Suddenly, at once, the majority agreed that at least for now it was not necessary to join the Southeast. Still, people's opinions and cheers-patriotism depend on words from the Kremlin. laughing But who didn’t let them think for themselves before? what
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 14 May 2014 09: 48
      +2
      It was the case, I got a lot of minuses at the time. They even said that I went to the wrong site ... I give you a plus for the ability to correctly analyze the situation not only specifically in Ukraine, but also in the world.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 14 May 2014 18: 43
      0
      Quote: anip
      Suddenly, at once, the majority agreed that at least for now it was not necessary to join the Southeast. Still, people's opinions and cheers-patriotism depend on words from the Kremlin.

      Old as the world. Fluctuations along with the party line.
  40. starik80
    starik80 14 May 2014 09: 29
    0
    It all depends on the DPR, but not on Russia.
  41. Executer
    Executer 14 May 2014 09: 35
    +2
    Yes, the reaction of the authorities in Russia is cool.
    But whoever shouted, and Crimea cost us a pretty penny, not to mention all the organizational processes. It is not a joke to translate the new region into Russian law. Plus local problems with transport accessibility, with water ... A lot of problems! And you want Russia to take on a tangle of problems with SEI (Novorossia) right now. And all this against the backdrop of a recession in the economy. Do not cheer patriotism!
    As for the political side of the matter: the trodden path - South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Quiet glanders, without world recognition, neither shaky, nor roll, but takes his life. At least the people more or less calmed down. Although these regions are on the budget of Russia. Almost no industry. Pure water protectorate.
    Conclusion: Russia for political and economic reasons is not yet able to pull this region. All hope for persistence of local moods. And, so far, only the federalization of Ukraine with some special status with signs of autonomy can be on the agenda. Alas.
  42. Russian German
    Russian German 14 May 2014 09: 36
    +2
    Once again, for those who have not heard Nikonov on Russia 24 from 12.05.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. Regarding the military assistance to Donetsk HP: "We need to talk about this as little as possible and help as much as possible." Unlike the USA (author's note).
    1. Exspert1987
      Exspert1987 18 May 2014 18: 28
      0
      Tochnik bro
  43. Dave36
    Dave36 14 May 2014 09: 39
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    Of my acquaintances, everyone was for Crimea, but no one for Lugansk and Donbass .. It is the Russians who especially do not want these entities ... and the GDP clearly realizes this ... Who is in the subject ... yes, everything has collapsed so much that everything is restored from scratch ... moreover, in case of entry, they will cut off water and electricity ... as in the Crimea ...
  44. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 May 2014 09: 39
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    Why did the referendum take place? To enter Russia? Stupid. It is necessary to create your own statehood. For after the death of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was also a half-corpse. And now she is dead. And all negotiations are a bluff. Who should talk with whom? American governors like Yaytsenyuk, but in the east of Ukraine there is no one. Once again I say that Donetsk and Lugansk should unite administratively, not the federation, which they are now trying to proclaim for some reason. On the basis of the union, create a government of New Russia. In short, you need to act.
  45. denis90
    denis90 14 May 2014 09: 47
    +3
    Yanukovych is a weak trump card. He is no longer perceived even in the Southeast. The DPR and LPR give hope for a change in the situation. The people want to forget this terrible era of the ruins in Ukraine (1991-2014) and its rulers, including Yanukovych
  46. Master_Lviv
    Master_Lviv 14 May 2014 09: 49
    +3
    Yanukovych in Ukraine no one takes seriously.
  47. mackonya
    mackonya 14 May 2014 09: 59
    +4
    I think it is better for Donetsk and Lugansk to unite in Novorossiya and create executive and legislative bodies and other institutions of power and administration, but for now it is necessary to organize a humanitarian "corridor" to support the population of the Republics. Of course, it is desirable that Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa go the same way as the Donetsk Republic, because it would be better for Novorossia if the southern regions of Ukraine also enter into it. And then join the Russian Federation in bulk.
  48. nvv
    nvv 14 May 2014 09: 59
    +4
    A case from one's life. I go up the landing. Outside the door there is a noise, din, hysterical female scream. I burst in. There is a man with an ax. A battered woman crashed into a corner. Beat. A man in one direction an ax in the other. I take the woman away, reassured and you know what she said to me in the last with a sober voice like that? And when he does not drink, he is a choir o.o. shiy. In the morning they naturally reconciled. But they didn’t greet me. The Southeast needs to clean up their own families. Will they come? Then they can be made SOUTH-WEST.
  49. nvv
    nvv 14 May 2014 09: 59
    +1
    A case from one's life. I go up the landing. Outside the door there is a noise, din, hysterical female scream. I burst in. There is a man with an ax. A battered woman crashed into a corner. Beat. A man in one direction an ax in the other. I take the woman away, reassured and you know what she said to me in the last with a sober voice like that? And when he does not drink, he is a choir o.o. shiy. In the morning they naturally reconciled. But they didn’t greet me. The Southeast needs to clean up their own families. Will they come? Then they can be made SOUTH-WEST.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 14 May 2014 10: 04
      +1
      I agree that in a hurry no where necessary.
      There is no consensus! There is nothing at all except the desire "We are on our own"!
      Crimea, should have been an example! Adoption of the Constitution of Russia, Unified Program. It was evident that the leaders whom the people trusted had a program. Everything was scheduled, coordinated. Work was going on!
      And here the impression is created: you take us away and protect us, but we will live as we want!
      I do not want to offend people! But this conclusion suggests itself when you listen to statements by leaders and look at what is happening. Some fight - defend, others think how they will live well - no matter! Ukraine already said this in 1991. Do not create Ukraine in miniature.
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    3. Vladimir I
      Vladimir I 14 May 2014 11: 18
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      I had a similar situation. Also a husband with an ax. Only ended differently.
      The husband ran away so that they would not be imprisoned. And the wife married another.
  50. mamont5
    mamont5 14 May 2014 10: 04
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    "In the end, Moscow has not openly declared about the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR, perhaps also because it has Yanukovych. Yes, yes ... the same ..."

    What to guess? Wait and see. And now Donbass and Lugansk need to develop their statehood - Novorossia, expand the territory, incorporating other rebellious areas (I hope that they will) and establish life. And they will have everything - not at once Moscow was built. I think that their leaders understand this.