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In Budapest, require autonomy for the Hungarians of Ukraine

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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, speaking before the country's parliament, said that ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine should create their own autonomy, and also be able to obtain Hungarian citizenship. Reports about it "Radio Liberty".


In Budapest, require autonomy for the Hungarians of Ukraine


Hungarian Prime Minister Orban drew attention to the violation of the rights of Hungarians living in the territory of Ukrainian Transcarpathia. In particular, he stated:

We view the Hungarian question as a European question. Hungarians who live in the Carpathian region have the right to dual citizenship, to the rights of the national community and to autonomy.


At the same time, Orban expressed support for Kiev in its pursuit of democratic values, clearly hinting that one of such values ​​is the question of respect for national minorities. According to official Budapest estimates, about 200 of thousands of ethnic Hungarians live in Ukraine today. The largest number of them - in the Transcarpathian region of Ukraine. Here the Hungarians are the second largest ethnic group after the Ukrainians, as evidenced by the results of the Ukrainian population census.

It is worth recalling that about a month ago the Hungarian delegation in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe called Ukraine an artificial state. These words of representatives of the Hungarian parliamentary delegation caused a storm of indignation in Kiev.
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  1. Yellow white
    Yellow white 13 May 2014 14: 26
    +42
    And Zhirinovsky immediately suggested dividing Urkain, into ours and yours, the Hungarians wanted to grab their tidbit, I think in time.
    The question is, they asked Russia if they want to ...
    1. Hans51
      Hans51 13 May 2014 14: 28
      +25
      Still, poor Ukraine! Soon, more Africans will declare their autonomy in the territory of the Slavs!
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 13 May 2014 14: 39
        +17
        Orban well done! when he began to steer Hungary, a lot of positive emotions began to come from duda.
        1. semuil
          semuil 13 May 2014 15: 10
          +2
          What the hell are "positive" emotions? What do you mean? Take away the territory on the sly? Interesting position.
          Quote: ZU-23
          Orban well done! when he began to steer Hungary, a lot of positive emotions began to come from duda.
          1. ZU-23
            ZU-23 13 May 2014 15: 25
            +4
            Quote: semuil
            What the hell are "positive" emotions? What do you mean? Take away the territory on the sly? Interesting position.

            Autonomy does not mean that secession from Ukraine
            1. semuil
              semuil 13 May 2014 15: 45
              +4
              Autonomy does not mean that secession from Ukraine
              No, of course. It's just to take what you want. It is just to pick it up. Cut off "your desired", "your charm", Sashi-Ashiki will support one hundred pounds. And most importantly, it will easily turn out.
              1. ZU-23
                ZU-23 13 May 2014 16: 32
                +5
                Quote: semuil
                No, of course. It's just to take what you want. It is just to pick it up. Cut off "your desired", "your charm", Sashi-Ashiki will support one hundred pounds. And most importantly, it will easily turn out.

                There are no types who wouldn’t jump to Russia, so maybe we’ll pass them all over just a couple of years ago and Chechnya was the enemy of everyone, and today you see the Russians are screaming Ramzan Ramzan, so stop bull-calving, we need to reason adequately, and bullishness takes away reasoning. And to me in the north, the Hungarian shift worker, added 100 rubles to 250 for a Delta moped for free as a neighbor, so you need to understand people and then you will understand to put them under one trunk or you can talk to someone.
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            2. APASUS
              APASUS 13 May 2014 20: 39
              0
              Quote: ZU-23
              Autonomy does not mean that secession from Ukraine

              Hungarian autonomy means that Hungary joined the partition of Ukraine. Although I was waiting for the first Poles, they are 35-40 percent in the western part of the country
            3. Cynic
              Cynic 13 May 2014 20: 49
              0
              Quote: ZU-23
              Autonomy does not mean that secession from Ukraine

              Sounded _ Autonomy under the control of BUDAPEST wink
              What is Ukraine?
              lol
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          3. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 13 May 2014 16: 06
            +4
            that's it, under the guise of tearing everything, let Maidan themselves in Kiev hoh..ly. eat when they want to come to their senses, but everything is already divided ..
        2. Committee
          Committee 13 May 2014 16: 18
          +4
          Quote: ZU-23
          Orban well done! when he began to steer Hungary
          strongly, don’t rejoice, they are not so close to us, not brothers (like Ukrainians), remember 1956, with what hatred they dealt with the Russians, my grandfather was a participant in those events, he told me ...
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          2. ZU-23
            ZU-23 13 May 2014 16: 49
            0
            Quote: Committee
            strongly, don’t rejoice, they are not so close to us, not brothers (like Ukrainians), remember 1956, with what hatred they dealt with the Russians, my grandfather was a participant in those events, he told me ...

            There are no types who wouldn’t jump to Russia, so maybe we’ll pass them all over just a couple of years ago and Chechnya was the enemy of everyone, and today you see the Russians are screaming Ramzan Ramzan, so stop bull-calving, we need to reason adequately, and bullishness takes away reasoning. And to me in the north, the Hungarian shift worker, added 100 rubles to 250 for a Delta moped for free as a neighbor, so you need to understand people and then you will understand to put them under one trunk or you can talk to someone.
          3. zennon
            zennon 13 May 2014 19: 14
            +2
            Quote: Committee
            not brothers (like Ukrainians), remember 1956, with what hatred they dealt with the Russians

            Do you remember how on May 2 the "brothers" of dill dealt with the Russians in Odessa ...
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      3. Children BuryKonya
        Children BuryKonya 13 May 2014 14: 47
        +33
        The Democratic Republic of the Congo claims to Ukrainian lands, namely the Zhytomyr region.
        The DR Congo authorities issued an ultimatum to Ukraine, if within 7 days the acting President Turchynov will not sign a decree "on the annexation of the Zhytomyr region into the Democratic Republic of the Congo," African troops will enter and occupy the territory of Ukraine.
        "This is our land, I answer. We are warrant. Chibe is fuckin ukraine." - said the President of DR Congo - Joseph Kabila.
        The Ukrainian side is still silent and does not give any comments.
      4. Duke
        Duke 13 May 2014 14: 57
        +12
        The publication of the globe of Ukraine, and this is not a joke.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 13 May 2014 15: 12
          +12
          Quote: Duke
          The publication of the globe of Ukraine, and this is not a joke.

          Here is a real globe. True, the Americans and the globe do not find the place in which Nenko Ukraine is located.
          1. old man
            old man 13 May 2014 15: 56
            +6
            Almost so arranged. America, too, had to be placed in the slot closer to the anus))))).
            1. REDBLUE
              REDBLUE 13 May 2014 16: 09
              +3
              And go there by Russian Topol 2M
            2. Alez
              Alez 13 May 2014 16: 57
              +2
              America does not need to be on the anus; without it, it is on the anus.
      5. zanoza
        zanoza 13 May 2014 15: 05
        +12
        Oh how! Has the "sale" of Ukraine begun? While the Kiev Rada is chasing the "Chechen special forces" and the "hand of Moscow", bloody intrigues are being built in the southeast, and the communist faction is spreading rot, the enlightened West has embarked on the path of "democratic separatism" and dreams of creating national (ethnic) autonomy, but already in the West Ukraine.
        But it can "ride". This is Russia "NOT", and the West is all "ZYa".
        Oh, where to attach the Kiev Rada, maybe the Papuans cannibals will get them all for their holiday?
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 13 May 2014 15: 34
          +4
          Quote: zanoza
          While the Kiev Rada is chasing the "Chechen special forces" and the "hand of Moscow", bloody intrigues are being built in the southeast, and the communist faction is spreading rot, the enlightened West has embarked on the path of "democratic separatism" and dreams of creating national (ethnic) autonomy, but already in the West Ukraine.

          I don’t care what Kiev thinks, although it often seems to me that they have nothing to do! Here are the pearls from the bloodsuckers !!!

          Right Sector Announces Collusion between Hungary and Russia

          Kiev, May 13 (Navigator, Victoria Litovchenko) - The “Right Sector” criticized the statement of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on the need for autonomy and dual citizenship for Hungarians living in Ukraine.

          “The Magyars, in conspiracy with the MOSCSA.L.A.M.I. and decided to open a second front against Ukraine. The Prime Minister of Hungary requires Ukraine to create Hungarian autonomy in Transcarpathia and allow Transcarpathian Hungarians to have dual citizenship. If the interim government agrees to these ultimatum conditions of Hungary, it will take the first step to the loss of Transcarpathia, ”wrote Igor Mosiychuk, spokesman for the Social-National Assembly, one of the coordinators of the Right Sector, on his Facebook page.

          As Navigator reported, speaking in parliament after taking the oath of office of the head of government, Orban said: “We consider the Hungarian question as a European issue. Hungarians who live in the Carpathian region have the right to dual citizenship, the rights of a national community and autonomy. ” According to him, this issue is especially acute in Ukrainian Transcarpathia, where 200 thousand Hungarians live.
          1. vlum
            vlum 13 May 2014 15: 50
            +5
            The first step towards the loss of Subcarpathian Rus in Kiev was already taken a long time ago, when they allowed the Right Sector and other banderlogs to get into it (in the region).

            Hungarians are already late, because in this area Rusyns have already announced an ultimatum to Kiev.
      6. mamont5
        mamont5 13 May 2014 15: 57
        +2
        Quote: Hans51
        Still, poor Ukraine! Soon, more Africans will declare their autonomy in the territory of the Slavs!


        Africans are not Africans, and Americans do not want to miss their piece either.

        "Biden's son joined the board of directors of the Ukrainian oil company
        The offspring of US Vice President Hunter Biden will work for Burisma Holdings Limited.
        The company holds special permits for the development of the Tatyanovskoye gas condensate field, as well as the Aktashskoye and Priozernoye oil and gas fields located on the territory of the Crimean Peninsula. She is also engaged in the development of deposits in the Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk and Kharkov regions. "
        http://lifenews.ru/news/133144
        1. REDBLUE
          REDBLUE 13 May 2014 16: 10
          +2
          As for Donetsk, it is not yet known who and what will be involved there
      7. Cynic
        Cynic 13 May 2014 16: 18
        0
        Quote: Hans51
        Still, poor Ukraine!

        It is expected that soon the Romanians will catch up!
      8. pv1005
        pv1005 13 May 2014 19: 16
        0
        It is not good to offend parents. After all, the acamedia of the sciences of dill proved that life on earth originated in Ukraine.
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 13 May 2014 14: 38
      +39
      Quote: Black and White
      Hungarians wanted to snatch their tidbit, I think on time.


      Lord, how everything is developing rapidly. Not by the day. By the clock! Now I think so, and Romania is preparing drafts of statements, and then Poland has gone and gone.

      The Ukrainians have successfully tested the latest seismic weapons under the secret name "KtoNeskacheToyM ... l".
      As a result of the tests, Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk broke away.
      The tests are ongoing.
      1. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 13 May 2014 14: 59
        +15
        We take the right bank and Odessa region. We give Bandera to Poland / Romania / Hungary.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 13 May 2014 15: 12
          +18
          From the website!!! http://antifashist.com/stat/24778-donbass-ukraine-proschaj-dura.html

          So, Donbass on May 11, 2014 officially filed for divorce from Ukraine. In the statement - the traditional "did not agree". Although cockroaches in a filthy "hostess" kitchen could tell a lot. And as a "spouse" she drank-skipped all the dowry, and how she constantly turned her pockets, leaving the breadwinner hungry. And how she "awarded" her spouse with a "venereal" -oligarchy, which for 23 years exuded the once mighty organism ...

          In general, Donbass is frankly bored. I got sick of the blasphemy ... of the "wife", who is ready to go to bed with every foreigner he meets, not even for a handout, but for obitsyanka. We got the eternal hysterical attacks of the crazy Ukraine on mother Russia. We got the "kids" - raguli, who were walking around on their necks from a Polish neighbor.

          Now the neighbors - a grown-up courtyard punks who once tried to spoil the mother-Russia - have "raised a high" in Donbass, for which they mercilessly whipped the latter. Enraged Ukraine with brutalized "kids" is now throwing dishes into Donbass, yelling something about the "illegality" of leaving ...

          But Donbass, finally, remembered that he was a man. A man said a man did. Goodbye fool!


          Another story!

          Watch ukrokanaly occupation is stupid. The truth is not shown there. Better to listen to what the people are talking about. Today I walked around the city and listened to how the population of Western Ukraine reacts to the referendum in Donetsk and Lugansk region ...

          In one courtyard, three pensioners were loudly discussing that Putin had overtaken entire regiments of Chechens to Ukraine and now they are cutting everyone who speaks mov.

          In the store, some aunt emotionally discussed with the saleswoman that the store should not sell any Russian goods. The saleswoman fought back languidly and said that this was not her concern, but the owner. Aunt promised to complain to the owner immediately to the police and SBU.

          Looked at the prices. It seems that every day a little is added, including to purely Ukrainian products.

          In a cafe, two boys were discussing that it would be nice to go to the East, "to wet the kaats.a.p.po.v." Mykola has already gone, they promised him UAH 700. per day, only there is nothing to hear from him and the mobile phone does not answer. They decided that it wasn’t worth the ride, they were shooting there now. NATO will come - they will put things in order.

          In our yard, the neighbors approached the problem more constructively. They thought: who will now transfer taxes to the budget if the whole Southeast falls off after Crimea? They decided how to continue to make these shidniaks work and pay taxes. They didn’t decide anything. All hope for Julia, who will blow up "her" with atomic weapons.

          I met a familiar Russian nurse. Say: how I envy them! You need to take your grandfather, sell the hut and go there. That's just my grandfather against. I myself envy, in a good way ... I think it’s time to pack the Chumaidans and move from Bandera to their own.

          These are the moods.

          And I’m thinking, who is likely to fall off now: Transcarpathia or Kherson with Odessa?
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 13 May 2014 16: 20
            +9
            Quote: Sid.74
            All hope for Julia, who will blow up "her" with atomic weapons.
            Julia has no atomic weapons. That's all there is:
            1. kush62
              kush62 13 May 2014 16: 41
              +1
              2 plus 2 equals 4. Photo collage is mathematically correct.
        2. SHILO
          SHILO 13 May 2014 15: 15
          +14
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          We give Bandera ...


          Extra my friend. Superfluous. Bandera to give as it should - caches, sciatica, lice, hunger and a bullet.
          As for me and not only, a quite worthy reward - they worked.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 13 May 2014 15: 27
            +3
            Your mother, they just reported that they attempted an assassination attempt on Valery Bolotov, lost a lot of blood, and is now in the hospital !!! sad
        3. VeteranS
          VeteranS 13 May 2014 15: 39
          +5
          We give Bandera to the DPR military tribunal! And the whole Southeast together creates an independent state of New Russia and is waiting for an alliance with Russia!
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 13 May 2014 15: 49
            +2
            On the people's governor of the Lugansk region Valery Bolotov attempted. He is injured, but easy.

            This was announced on Tuesday by the head of the press center of the Army of the Southeast Vasily Nikitin, RIA Novosti reports.

            "Yes, the wound is minor. He is now in a closed hospital," he said.

            According to Nikitin, the attempt took place "on the territory of the region."

            The representative of the militia so far found it difficult to clarify which weapons could be used.
        4. Roshchin
          Roshchin 14 May 2014 14: 08
          0
          Do not forget that the great Moldova is already crowded within its borders. It should have access to the Black Sea. So, Moldavians will soon be cutting a window to the sea through the Odessa region
      2. old man
        old man 13 May 2014 16: 00
        +1
        The ending needs to be corrected "tests continue successfully"
      3. mamont5
        mamont5 13 May 2014 16: 09
        +4
        Quote: SHILO
        As a result of the tests, Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk broke away.


        Yes, and now Donetsk and Lugansk decided to unite.
        "Donetsk and Lugansk republics have begun negotiations on unification.
        On Monday, the co-chairman of the government of the Donetsk People's Republic Denis Pushilin announced his intention to unite with the Luhansk People's Republic and asked Russia to consider the issue of joining the Donetsk People's Republic to Russia. "
        http://ria.ru/world/20140513/1007572819.html
    3. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 13 May 2014 16: 01
      +3
      Quote: Black and White
      The question is, they asked Russia if they want to ...

      The main point is that autonomy is not a separation. And, here, issues of integrity within the borders of the Russian Empire - really - not Ukraine or Hungary to decide! The main thing is to restore the right of the Russian State in the territory that belonged to it before the October revolution organized by the Zhidomasons.
    4. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 May 2014 16: 04
      0
      Molotstsa is a descendant of the nilashists, it is necessary to tear the outskirts to pieces and bring it to a historical denominator ..
    5. cat 1970
      cat 1970 14 May 2014 08: 05
      0
      This is only the first sign, further, the rights of the Romanian population living in Ukraine ... There is a "dismemberment" going on, this is the result of the fact that even Tajikistan, with its OX problems, has turned out to be a viable state. Ukraine is a stillborn "child" of the Belovezhskaya agreement, whose corpse is now not mercifully dragged from the "dull corner to the dumb corner" by the rulers of the United States and Europe.
      And two-thirds of present-day Ukraine will come to the Russian State anyway.
  2. pavel_SPB
    pavel_SPB 13 May 2014 14: 27
    +6
    soon the Roma will begin to demand autonomy on the territory of "Great" Ukraine wassat
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 13 May 2014 14: 29
      +8
      Romanians or what? Although why not ..
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 13 May 2014 14: 31
        +6
        Quote: ale-x
        Romanians or what?

        Romanians have long been demanding, and Fr. Snake already almost got it.
        1. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen 13 May 2014 14: 50
          +13
          O. Serpent, by the way, according to legend, the tomb of Achilles, so it’s not an hour, and the Greeks will harness for their compatriot ...
        2. ale-x
          ale-x 13 May 2014 14: 52
          +2
          Yes, I know, my mother wrote))))
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  4. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 13 May 2014 14: 28
    +8
    Strange position Obrana. Not in the sense of law, but in the sense of logic. In fact, if they want autonomy for the Carpathian Hungarians, they must recognize both the Crimea and the autonomy of the DR and LR. It seems that there are not enough double standards, they went triple.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 May 2014 15: 12
      +7
      Quote: Al_lexx
      Strange position Obrana

      Fine! He immediately sensed where the wind was blowing. As long as Germany and the EU will give money there, he will stake out his piece in Ukraine! Let them declare autonomy, and then "at the request of the residents, holding a referendum for accession ..." And everything will be like with Crimea.
      First off! Now the Poles will connect!
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 13 May 2014 19: 08
        0
        Lena hi

        Why all this fuss is understandable. I did not understand his approving rhetoric about Kiev. Either he openly jokes at them, or he wants to seize the Carpathians and not quarrel with the Americans. In the latter case, the already familiar comes out again - "this is a completely different matter." On the third hand, if the Hungarians squeeze out the Carpathians and we eat it (and we will probably eat it), then we again have one more trump card up our sleeve and it is not a fact that it is not without a preliminary conspiracy with the same selection.
        That's why this whole situation is interesting for me, what really was under the carpet there.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 13 May 2014 19: 39
          0
          Quote: Al_lexx
          I did not understand his approving rhetoric about Kiev.

          Hungary became a full member of NATO on March 12, 1999.
          Quote: Al_lexx
          wants to grab the Carpathians and not quarrel with the Americans.

          What is it to curse about with the Yusovites?
          Same
          Quote: Al_lexx
          quite another matter
          !
          Quote: Al_lexx
          what was really under the carpet there.

          Bulldogs!
          And they are still tearing each other there!
          This is just the beginning .
          The remains of food of large predators go to scavenger birds.
  5. ale-x
    ale-x 13 May 2014 14: 28
    +4
    It began in the Southeast, will continue in the West ......
  6. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 13 May 2014 14: 30
    +7
    But why are Romanians and Poles shy? We have to keep up ...
    1. Combitor
      Combitor 13 May 2014 14: 40
      +8
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      But why are Romanians and Poles shy? We have to keep up ...

      The process has begun. It seems to me that in the foreseeable future the state of Ukraine will disappear from the maps. They will tear it into small principalities. It’s sad. Although no ... Something will remain. The southeast will retain a bit of Ukraine within its borders.
      And Western Ukraine for the collapse of his country, let him thank the leaders of the junta, whom she worships and who lead her to the slaughter.
      1. mad
        mad 13 May 2014 15: 02
        +18
        Whoever bounces last will be hanged on that one wassat
  7. smart ass
    smart ass 13 May 2014 14: 31
    +12
    Those who watch the news do not laugh at the circus!
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    2. sscha
      sscha 13 May 2014 14: 38
      +1
      He just doesn’t go there .... Why? wink hi
  8. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 13 May 2014 14: 31
    +9
    Well ... it has begun.
    Get the village tractor - all four wheels ...

    Hungarians live in Transcarpathia compactly and in separate settlements.
    I would not say that the locals make friends with them ...
    Hold on: Russians, Ruthenians and Transcarpathian Ukrainians.
    If only there was no war in that region.
    People there (dofiga of nationalities) got along quite well all this time.

    Mukachevo, the pearl of Transcarpathia:
    1. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 13 May 2014 17: 06
      0
      I doubt that got along. In Soviet times, such fights were arranged - the witness herself.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 May 2014 17: 31
        0
        Quote: arch_kate3
        In Soviet times, such fights were arranged - the witness herself.

        Duc, Ketrin, everything in fact is compared in comparison ...
        If now there is a national map discredited - little will not seem to anyone ...
        There nationality sticks out over nationality, and the third peers out from the side.

        I haven’t visited there for a long time, only by phone and Skype I keep in touch.
        Eheh.
  9. gogen3
    gogen3 13 May 2014 14: 32
    +11
    rushed ..... schA gnaw Ukraine so that only Kiev will remain, or rather Maidan with gardens.
  10. Akulina
    Akulina 13 May 2014 14: 32
    +13
    It started .... What, interestingly, Ukraine will answer Hungary - a member of the EU and NATO ... And than 200 thousand Hungarians "more to the right" of 10 million Russians living in Ukraine. Give them autonomy, but can't the Russians?
    1. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 13 May 2014 15: 25
      +6
      And Russians live mainly in the southeast of Ukraine. So, let the Hungarians and the Poles take the Lviv region - let's see what kind of eyes the Banderaites will have when the "democrats" themselves get their hands on them. wassat wassat wassat
  11. nicollider
    nicollider 13 May 2014 14: 37
    +6
    Can I have a piece of Ukraine?
    1. old man
      old man 13 May 2014 16: 11
      +2
      6 acres will be cut to everyone.)))
      1. pavel_SPB
        pavel_SPB 13 May 2014 16: 35
        0
        I also want 6 acres for myself :))) an enclave so to speak ... on the territory of the "great western ukrov"
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 13 May 2014 16: 37
      0
      Quote: nicollider
      Can I have a piece of Ukraine?

      From San to Don ???
  12. Irokez
    Irokez 13 May 2014 14: 37
    +5
    Oh, tear Ukraine as a Tuzik heating pad. With a bad sheep, even a shred of wool.
    I agree to us South-East in the form of New Russia, and let the rest divide the Galitchina.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 13 May 2014 15: 08
      +4
      Quote: Irokez
      ... I agree to us Southeast in the form of New Russia, and let the rest divide the Galitchina.

      Between the Galicians and New Russia there is also Little Russia.
      I feel there will be another battle for this central Ukraine.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 May 2014 15: 16
        +18
        Quote: BigRiver
        Between the Galicians and New Russia there is also Little Russia.
        I feel there will be another battle for this central Ukraine.

        from the web
        Perepost
        a message from the Hammer of Truth

        The real war is just ahead :: A deadly important analytical warning for the regions: Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye.

        Have you noticed why today, at the DPR conference, they said "we will try to deal with the Ukrainian invaders ourselves"? Do you know why they said so? Because the Kiev junta itself will begin, in the coming days, urgently to withdraw its troops from Donbass. Unless they are complete suicides, of course. Now - the worst ...:

        We all know that if the Kiev junta doesn’t really shine, then their American mistresses have serious analysts. Not as smart as in Russia, but still. Donbass for the United States is lost, it is clear. Spending more money on it, sending troops does not make sense. Since there really is no point, there will only be losses. But the US just won’t give up. They will now begin to redirect Ukrainian troops to strategically important areas: Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kherson and Nikolaev.

        What are these regions totally important for?

        1. Zaporozhye and Kherson.
        These two regions separate Russia by land from the Crimean peninsula. Controlling these two areas, the Kiev junta can spoil the life of Crimea for some time, turning off the light, blocking water, etc. In addition, the project for the construction of the Kerch Bridge, although it has been included in the Russian budget, will agree, it would be much more convenient if Kherson and Zaporozhye reunited with Russia. With ready railway communications to the Crimea, with electric networks, with water channels.

        2. Nikolaev, Odessa.
        These two regions have wild strategic importance for Ukraine and the USA, in view of the presence of seaports of the Black Sea. If these two areas also reunite with Russia, then:
        - what remains of Ukraine is completely deprived of access to the Black Sea, and this is the collapse of the economy of shipping
        - what remains of Ukraine loses its already so few fleet
        - The United States and NATO will no longer be able to use this territory for their promising operations in Eastern Europe (the most important).

        Therefore, friends, do not consider me a cynic in the memory of our fallen comrades in the Donbass, but what was now is not a war, these are flowers. What will begin in the regions of the Black Sea - this will be a war.

        For these 4 regions, the Kiev junta and the US regime will grip death with their teeth ...

        What to do to the National Militia in Kherson, Odessa, Nikolaev and Zaporozhye:
        1. Start immediate defense preparations
        2. Cellular communications and the Internet should not be used for coordination, since the US NSA and its chain dogs from the SBU will extremely brutally identify all active militias.
        3. Create units of several people, train, find out what, where, how, structures, bridges, ravines, potential fortified points, strategic heights and buildings.
        4. Start immediately to make a large supply of first aid, for dressings, bleeding stops
        5. Have an autonomous supply of food and water for a couple of weeks.
        6. Acquire and manufacture means of self-defense and defense in wartime ..

        Well, and the last ... Brace yourself .. Now the Kiev junta and US-gang rove fascists in these areas will begin real genocide, real hell ... Get ready to defend yourself! Remember - our strength is TRUE !! We are protecting our land and our families !!
        1. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 13 May 2014 16: 50
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          - The United States and NATO will no longer be able to use this territory for their promising operations in Eastern Europe (the most important).

          Yes, it seems like Odessa will have to fight seriously ...
          Nobody needs Ukraine without ports.
          Are there still freedom-loving Odessans? I don’t even know what answer I want to hear on this question ....
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz 13 May 2014 17: 57
            0
            Yes, Fidget. love Not joyful. I don’t even know what answer I want to hear on this question ....Sorry, namesake, but Odessa is no more.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 13 May 2014 19: 01
              +1
              Do not panic, after May 2, people are afraid to go to rallies, but this does not mean that they obeyed and forgot about the burned alive. A simple man will not go out waving a flag, he is responsible for his family, but if a militia, for example, from the DPR or the Crimea, many will join Odessa and there will be a night of long knives for Bandera. Odessa and Kharkov are next in line for a referendum, but Zaporizhia or Dnepropetrovsk - yes, it will be very difficult to agitate them.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 13 May 2014 19: 47
                0
                Quote: g1v2
                but if the militia, for example, from the DPR or Crimea to Odessa

                Do they need it?
                That is why Russia does not help, now the DNI ...
                And OTHERS must save you all!
                Maybe you yourself, at least start?
        2. zennon
          zennon 13 May 2014 19: 35
          +2
          What to do to the National Militia in Kherson, Odessa, Nikolaev and Zaporozhye:
          1. Start immediate defense preparations
          2. Cellular communications and the Internet should not be used for coordination, since the US NSA and its chain dogs from the SBU will extremely brutally identify all active militias.
          3. Create units of several people, train, find out what, where, how, structures, bridges, ravines, potential fortified points, strategic heights and buildings.
          4. Start immediately to make a large supply of first aid, for dressings, bleeding stops
          5. Have an autonomous supply of food and water for a couple of weeks.
          6. Acquire and manufacture means of self-defense and defense in wartime ..


          Yes, relax you. There already all the tips are given by professionals.
  13. snifer
    snifer 13 May 2014 14: 39
    +3
    Well, that’s how it all began, I think that the option will be like this, there will be no Ukraine as a state, Romania, Hungary and Poland will take the western parts, and what remains will be New Russia. It will be better for everyone
    1. Victor1
      Victor1 13 May 2014 15: 41
      0
      Romanians and Hungarians break off, you can not give Transcarpathia!
  14. Imre posta
    Imre posta 13 May 2014 14: 40
    +7
    http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=43566

    Zdes uze vsjo bilo po etomu povodu skazano.Vojna priblezajetsja.
  15. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 13 May 2014 14: 41
    +3
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    But why are Romanians and Poles shy? We have to keep up ...
    This is definitely more to add, and Germany should be added. Let these all the listed countries and put territorial claims to Ukraine AND LET THESE "BOLD" (brave when there are more of them at times)
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 13 May 2014 14: 56
      +3
      Quote: smerx89
      This is definitely to add and Germany must

      Stop, what about Old Man? Is that nothing to him again?
      Not really if you share it equally. Let Belarus take the north to the Odessa borders.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 13 May 2014 15: 52
        +2
        Quote: Irokez
        Stop, what about Old Man? Is that nothing to him again?
        Not really if you share it equally. Let Belarus take the north to the Odessa borders.


        Old Man behaves badly. That's when he gets involved in this matter, then we'll see. And then he wants both ours and yours. She presses Turchinov’s legs, and he asks for more preferences from the GDP for this matter.
        1. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen 13 May 2014 16: 32
          +3
          Quote: mamont5
          Quote: Irokez
          Stop, what about Old Man? Is that nothing to him again?
          Not really if you share it equally. Let Belarus take the north to the Odessa borders.


          Old Man behaves badly. That's when he gets involved in this matter, then we'll see. And then he wants both ours and yours. She presses Turchinov’s legs, and he asks for more preferences from the GDP for this matter.

          No, guys, I also thought that Old Man was behaving badly, but ... Everything is in order: from the end of April to May 9, I was in Belarus (three days in Brest and a week in Minsk). I did not understand for Lukoshenko, both ours and yours, I did not see a clear position and it annoyed. And Minsk is a song that hasn't been sung, all citizens are politically savvy, from a traffic cop to a gas station. And so I, in conversations about politics (read about Ukraine), slowly, in small steps, with a certain amount of resentment among the Belarusians, I ask why, they say, your leader does not openly and loudly support us, Crimea, I say, ours in all its tinned throat does not admits ?! They explained to me since October that if you are a friend, then you will be with me to the end. And do you know what completely different people answered me ?! "Father rescues the championship!" Their hockey championship began on May 8, the money was thrown into a fig, the hotel on Independence Avenue was not fully completed, what if the valuable Europeans would come up with the championship to ignore ?! It will be like in a movie - "Lelik, everything is lost!" Here Luke is spinning, like in a frying pan. I think in the near future the rhetoric of Belarus will change to a more solid one.
          (and also, it was very nice, Belarusians are with us !!!)
  16. bulvas
    bulvas 13 May 2014 14: 41
    +3
    Oh, the Turchinovs and Yaytsenyuhi, they made the wrong friends!

    They will definitely bring you to the handle (suitcase).

    Ukraine will not forgive you.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 13 May 2014 14: 54
      +2
      Turkey and Yaytsenyukha have only 2 weeks left, after which Poroshenko will most likely win the election and use them as a lightning rod. Most likely they will either be imprisoned or they will flee west. They are not political figures and most likely they will be blamed for everything - the loss of territories, collapse of the currency, etc., and Poroshenko will score points due to this. Perhaps they will be banged so that they don’t talk, but Avakova and Pouring will be dismissed, because one is a figure, an oligarch and has the units faithful to him, and the second is an agent of the CIA, who made a bet on Poroshenko. These two d-bam have only 2 weeks left to shine, and possibly live. And of course, a Jew of Kolomoisky will come up because people like him do not drown.
      1. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 14 May 2014 02: 42
        0
        Everyone is drowning, even Berezovsky! Over time! And the fact that many can act like Sashko Bily and Kernes is a proven fact.
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 13 May 2014 14: 54
      +1
      So maybe this is their main goal?
  17. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 May 2014 14: 41
    +5
    USA is also an artificially created state. indigenous people indians ...
    I wonder how many Mexicans they left alive. will need to read
  18. Ek.Sektor
    Ek.Sektor 13 May 2014 14: 47
    +3
    what other Bulgarians and gypsies? if to whom and to give way to the Serbs only, in the form of compensation for Kosovo smile
  19. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 13 May 2014 14: 47
    +1
    And in the meantime:
    The National Guard retreats after the attack of militias near Slavyansk
    Self-defense forces continue to attack the Ukrainian security forces in order to free the corridor necessary for the city.


    http://lifenews.ru/news/133128
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 13 May 2014 14: 55
      +2
      And this is probably the first shelling of the base. Judging by the replicas, well, very good (explosions of detonated ammunition are heard)
      http://lifenews.ru/news/133099
      Even one "Nona" in skillful hands works wonders.
  20. talnax7
    talnax7 13 May 2014 14: 49
    +2
    And who will repay debts?
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 13 May 2014 14: 59
      +1
      Quote: talnax7
      And who will repay debts?

      The United States and the European Union only because they will not be divided yet.
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 13 May 2014 15: 00
      +2
      So they will run after that ... so that there is no one to ask.
    3. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 13 May 2014 15: 12
      +1
      They will give the territory to the Carpathians! And the debtors themselves will be sterilized to Kolyma, however, they will have no bad thoughts !!! good
  21. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 13 May 2014 14: 57
    +5
    raced ... yes over the bumps
    this quilt itself will fall apart, it could exist only within the Union
  22. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 May 2014 15: 04
    0
    At the same time, Orban expressed support for Kiev I didn't understand a little! Either Hungary signs an agreement with our Rosatom and refuses to help the European Union, then they drift in the direction of the gamerope, then they scold the mattresses, then they support us. Nifiga I don’t understand. What are they?
    1. Bobxnumx
      Bobxnumx 13 May 2014 15: 08
      0
      We just have to wave the Hungarians to the Americans too, I apologize, lick.
    2. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 13 May 2014 15: 17
      +1
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      At the same time, Orban expressed support for Kiev I didn't understand a little! Either Hungary signs an agreement with our Rosatom and refuses to help the European Union, then they drift in the direction of the gamerope, then they scold the mattresses, then they support us. Nifiga I don’t understand. What are they?

      It seems that Obran wants to be like Putin and lets in a fog to overcome his interests.
      It turns out.
      Sloppy.
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 13 May 2014 15: 25
        +2
        It seems that Obran wants to be like Putin Perhaps it is. But he is before Putin, as before China with cancer.
  23. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 13 May 2014 15: 06
    +2
    Bravo Orban !!! Shit on the Americans, so everything in the world.
  24. vovan50
    vovan50 13 May 2014 15: 07
    +2
    Well, vegres also give. Where a horse with a hoof, there is cancer with a claw. These are all Russian open spaces, this is Russian land. And even though we don’t want to span the veggie land, we won’t give up our tip.
  25. PRN
    PRN 13 May 2014 15: 07
    +4
    The main thing is that hemorrhoid Galicia would find a worthy host - at least zheks.
  26. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 13 May 2014 15: 08
    +2
    Quote: Kombitor
    Combo (3) SU Today, 14: 40 ↑ New

    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    But why are Romanians and Poles shy? We have to keep up ...

    The process has begun. It seems to me that in the foreseeable future the state of Ukraine will disappear from the maps. They will tear it into small principalities. It’s sad. Although no ... Something will remain. The southeast will retain a bit of Ukraine within its borders.
    And Western Ukraine for the collapse of his country, let him thank the leaders of the junta, whom she worships and who lead her to the slaughter.

    Reply


    Not in vain Zhirinovsky, and with it the State. The Duma sent an official letter to countries bordering the West with Ukraine. They reminded them that your nat. minorities live in Ukraine, so guys can you make a REFERENDUM on the status of nat. minorities. This has its hidden motives.

    Zhirik is far from, as it seems at first glance.
  27. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 13 May 2014 15: 09
    +1
    He added fuel to the fire.
  28. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 13 May 2014 15: 09
    +5
    Got game in the revolution? what
    1. Peter Timofeev
      Peter Timofeev 13 May 2014 15: 20
      +3
      From color revolutions, there were only flowers that can be put on the grave of the Ukrainian state.
  29. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 13 May 2014 15: 15
    +2
    There is nothing surprising. Everything just goes according to plan. Section of Ukraine. It is sad. Our lands are annexed and cultivated by our ancestors. It all came from an ugly tribe in the west of Ukraine, which the Poles artificially raised.
  30. muhomor
    muhomor 13 May 2014 15: 16
    +1
    No autonomy! Ukraine should be united, (already without Crimea) economically strong and awesomely pro-Russian! wink
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 13 May 2014 15: 21
      +1
      will have to deport law-enforcers and them sympathizing with Bender and a hundred! amIt is high time!!
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 13 May 2014 15: 43
      +1
      Quote: muhomor
      No autonomy! Ukraine should be united, (already without Crimea) economically strong and awesomely pro-Russian! wink


      Unfortunately, this is possible only in one case - the lands of the former misunderstanding of Ukraine are included in Russia, as from ancient times belonged to it.
  31. X Y Z
    X Y Z 13 May 2014 15: 18
    +6
    Rusinov Transcarpathian Hungarians will not give up! They have been asking for a long time in the Russian Federation and only the geographical position interferes.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 13 May 2014 15: 31
      +3
      I agree, it’s not hard for a country to put an eye on Russian territories. Rusyns need autonomy to break through the entire region, and not the area with the Hungarians. Unfortunately, there is no border with us, or even with Transnistria, therefore - autonomy within Ukraine.
  32. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 13 May 2014 15: 22
    +4
    The Armed Forces of Hungary-19 000 people
    32 T-72, in warehouses another 123;

    500 BMP-1 (stacked);
    600 BTR-80 / BTR-80А;

    250 BRDM-2;
    53 MCI (40 MaxxPro, 13 Cougar H) - are used by the Hungarian contingent in Afghanistan;
    40-100 armored Hummers;
    30 152-mm BG D-20;
    65 BM-21 Grad (stored);
    50 82-mm mortar;
    196 60-mm mortars
    4 batteries "Cube M1" - 16 units of PU,
    185 MANPADS "Mistral"
    Air Force - 14 Saab JAS 39 Gripen (12-JAS 39C, 2-UBS JAS 39D).

    Stocked 28 MiG-29 (22 MiG-29, 6 MiG-29UB), are currently for sale, are in flight condition, there are trained pilots, i.e. can be easily put into operation if necessary.
    12 Mi-24. 20 helicopters were delivered from the USSR in 1978-1980, another 10 in 1982, and 12 in 1984. 6 helicopters received from Germany in the 1995 year.

    5 An-26.
    7 UBS L-39ZO Albatros. 20 L-39 received in 1993 year from Germany.
    9 TCB Yak-52. 12 received in 1994 year, 1 crashed in 2003 year.
    7 Mi-17.

    10 Mi-8.
    The forces are of course small, but quite sufficient for conducting military operations in Transcarpathia, taking into account the deplorable state of the Ukrainian army and the fact that all its more or less combat-ready units are currently located in the south-east of the country, demonstrating their complete disruption.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 13 May 2014 15: 58
      +2
      The forces are of course small, but quite sufficient for conducting military operations in Transcarpathia, taking into account the deplorable state of the Ukrainian army and the fact that all its more or less combat-ready units are currently located in the south-east of the country, demonstrating their complete disruption.
      It may be enough for the operation, you forgot the main thing, will the people living in this territory support this operation? hi
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  33. Counter
    Counter 13 May 2014 15: 23
    0
    Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
    We take the right bank and Odessa region. We give Bandera to Poland / Romania / Hungary.

    We do not just give, but give a fat kick to one place with the goal of their speedy integration into ALL EU spaces.
  34. demotivator
    demotivator 13 May 2014 15: 24
    +7
    On May 11, the state of Ukraine and this entire project under the same name ended. And a new stage began. Kiev propagandists kept repeating about a handful of terrorists who were not supported by anyone and that in fact 80% of the "Ukrainians" of the South-East were against federalization. Along the way, they promoted "presidential candidates" like Pan Poroshenko, who on the second day of the election campaign had at least 50% of support according to "polls".
    But in the Donbass a referendum was held, which lined up kilometer-long queues of those wishing to speak out not FOR federalization, but, in general, FOR leaving "Ukraine". Suddenly it became clear that there is no "Ukraine" in the designated format and never has been. This unstable kneading on the Austro-Galician yeast, an attempt to make people forget their roots, has failed. The people came out and said their word. As a result, "Ukraine" scattered in the wind like a heap of dry leaves. It turned out, as they say, "the king is naked!" That there is no "Ukraine" in the form in which it was declared. There is the Kiev bureaucracy, there are oligarchs plundering the country, there is a thief and a liar Poroshenko, there is an old schizophrenic Tymoshenko, there is a pathological sadist Lyashko - and there is no one else. Even a couple of hundred people were not found ready to really fight to the last for the project, because there is nothing for that, there is no truth, and therefore, on the side of the unarmed population there is a colossal moral superiority. And in terms of ethnic composition, Donbass does not differ much from most regions of Ukraine. If tomorrow people in Nikolaev, in Chernigov or in Dnepropetrovsk, and even the same Hungarians, are allowed to speak, the result will be the same. That is, there will be kilometer-long queues of people who want to say no to this anti-Russian "Ukraine". Donetsk and Lugansk, this is just the beginning, the main thing is that people realized that they can get out of this bedlam called "the state of Ukraine", which was exploited by crooks and scoundrels. And rest assured, they will leave. Everything will fall like dominoes.
  35. Arh
    Arh 13 May 2014 15: 24
    +3
    The most important thing is to remove the junta, and the rest will remain without fascism !!!
  36. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 13 May 2014 15: 27
    +2
    I wrote a month ago that they would divide Ukraine! Therefore, I repeat the old post (for which I had enough minuses): Those who wish to get a piece of Ukraine must negotiate with Russia, it’s not so easy of course!
  37. Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 13 May 2014 15: 27
    +1
    Interestingly, and who will get Kiev? I think Russia will not give it to anyone.
  38. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 May 2014 15: 27
    +2
    independent. Well, on the other hand, it’s right, why feed these hohloukrov? Indeed, in essence, Amers and Europeans will have to take Ukraine after the elections for maintenance. We do not need nafig, except for some areas, amers without Crimea, too, did not rest. I think that there will be a small figulinka, like pro-Baltic, which will bark in our direction constantly.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 13 May 2014 16: 06
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      Indeed, in essence, Amers and Europeans will have to take Ukraine after the elections for maintenance.


      But this they do not want. They want us to contain Ukraine, and they will only command.
  39. tnship2
    tnship2 13 May 2014 15: 28
    +2
    He gave the Union to Ukraine blossoming and healthy. Already Russia is getting back, in pieces, with the weeds of Nazism. Koshmar. Work will now be added to more than one generation while Ukraine recovers.
  40. Gagarin
    Gagarin 13 May 2014 15: 29
    +4
    See the root of it all!
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    this quilt itself will fall apart, it could exist only within the Union
  41. Ural guys
    Ural guys 13 May 2014 15: 34
    +1
    Like 74 years ago, everything repeats and comes back to square one http://ria.ru/world/20140513/1007592848.html - Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine: Ukrainian special forces were dressed in German uniforms.
    Well, it turns out that the real customer is all the same a united Europe. The role of America is reduced to the encouragement of their sallitets, but in fact they are simply not able to wage war, the moral appearance is at an extreme level below the plinth and is completely unbalanced.
  42. mamont5
    mamont5 13 May 2014 15: 37
    +1
    "Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, speaking before the country's parliament, said that ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine should create their own autonomy, as well as be able to obtain Hungarian citizenship."

    Well, that has begun ... The collapse of Ukraine in all its glory.

    "in his pursuit of democratic values, clearly hinting that one of these values ​​is the issue of respect for national minorities."

    In Ukraine, there is generally a question of respect for a different opinion. They have this very bad. It is necessary to treat.

    "... the Hungarian delegation to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe called Ukraine an artificial state."

    In this case ... the truth speaks through the mouth of the Hungarians.
  43. mig31
    mig31 13 May 2014 15: 37
    0
    Played the junta in war games, arctic fox Ukraine, grab the territory to whom not laziness ...
  44. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 13 May 2014 15: 38
    +1
    Do not forget that Hungary was torn apart after two World Wars: Kasha (Kosice) went to Slovakia, the whole of Transylvania - to Romania, and Ungvar (Uzhhorod) finally got to Ukraine.
  45. Victor1
    Victor1 13 May 2014 15: 45
    +2
    You can not lose Transcarpathia, a useful territory in every way.
  46. bubla5
    bubla5 13 May 2014 15: 47
    +3
    How little is needed to destroy a powerful state. Descendants of Ukrainians will say thank you junta
  47. Giant thought
    Giant thought 13 May 2014 15: 49
    +3
    Gradually, the demolition of the territory of Ukraine begins, about which all people actually warned the junta by smart people, and they thought that this was all a laugh.
  48. Palych9999
    Palych9999 13 May 2014 15: 54
    0
    A more stupid nation, the Cheka of the Magyars, is not in Europe.
    The Austrians perceive them as Tajiks in Moscow.
  49. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 13 May 2014 15: 56
    +3
    So they sensed the "piranhas" the proximity of the end and began to bite, while only biting ...
  50. Black
    Black 13 May 2014 16: 09
    +1
    Some kind of madness on the forum ... "began, began ..."
    What started then? It began with Crimea, continued with the South-Caucasian committee, and will end with the fact that there will be order throughout the territory.
    To whom did the treasury land decide to give?