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Separatism and the struggle for independence: a thin American side

The West does not always withstand the heat of propaganda. And not all journalists are State Department's “pre-institutes” and are funded from the federal American budget, that is, with money being duped by taxpayers. No, no, yes, and you hear from the mouth of an American, as well as a European reporter, an impartial judgment.

Separatism and the struggle for independence: a thin American side

In the program "Vesti" is a fragment of the plot of the correspondent of the German television channel "En-24" Christopher Wanner. Being in Donetsk at the referendum, he said: “Everything is peaceful! I want to show how everything looks at this polling station in Donetsk, what is happening here. The flow of people is huge, we ourselves are amazed by this, because we thought that many people simply would not find polling stations because of the chaos in the organization. ”

Yes, the American media continue to call supporters of federalization the separatists, Vesta correspondent Anna Baldina says. But the commentators under the text of the articles remind: American statehood is based on the idea of ​​self-determination. So is she alive, this true American democracy?

Humorists on Twitter tweaked the American television channel CNN, which made a geographical discovery: in a report on Ukrainian referendums, placed Ukraine on the territory of Pakistan on a map ...

RIA News" other geographical blunders of CNN added to this. This giant american news Hong Kong placed industries in South America, Auckland New Zealand located in Australia, and Boston confused with New York.

The site "Russian Spring" An entirely objective report of The Sunday Times journalist B. Pantsevsky, who spoke with volunteers of the National Guard in Mariupol, is given.

The journalist was able to talk with the fighters of the battalion "Azov" - a paramilitary detachment created, among other things, by the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. The fighters showed up in the forest near Mariupol. Their headquarters was located on an island surrounded by a pond, in a hunting house of a local oligarch who sympathizes with Kiev.

Seeing the correspondents, the fighters surrounded them with shouts: “How did you hear about us?”, “Are you Russian spies?” The journalists were threatened weapons.

“We are in the rear of the enemy here, everything is against us: the police, the army, the people. We do not trust anyone, ”one of the fighters with a tattoo on his arm in the form of a Nazi symbol explained his nervousness.

Earlier, one witness described Pantsevski as "people in black" opened fire on civilian protesters in the city. First, these members of the paramilitary units began to fire in the air, and then at the protesters.

“It was chaos,” said one of Azov. He added: “The various paramilitary groups could not coordinate with each other, which led to a catastrophe. The aversion among local residents to bloodshed was such that Mariupol is now “lost” in favor of the separatists. ”

Opinion of political analyst Robert Perry publishes "Reedus" with reference to According to the expert, ordinary residents of the United States do not know the truth about the events in Ukraine. They do not know because the American media is now busy with propaganda.

Perry writes that his colleagues are silent about the fact that armed gangs of neo-Nazis took part in the seizure of power in Kiev. "The Kiev regime sent the so-called" self-defense "of the Maidan, formed from neo-Nazis, to the south-east of Ukraine, so that they would kill and burn Russians in their homes, and ordinary American people do not know anything about this," the journalist writes.

Perry, who has extensive experience in political analysis and worked in the 1980-ies. in Central America, stresses that the State Department is not the first time using local extremists to achieve their goals in certain countries. In Central America, the “death squadrons” were associated with pro-American regimes and were recruited from neo-fascist organizations. In Afghanistan, the CIA attracted Islamic extremists. According to the same scenario, the US government operates in Ukraine, the expert said.

Michel Chossudovsky, the founder of the Center for Globalization Studies, a professor of economics at the University of Ottawa, says that the Western media have avoided using the concept of “Nazi” in materials devoted to Ukrainian events. For example, they call the participants of the “Right Sector” “patriots”, ultraconservatives - “freedom fighters”. But all of them, the professor notes, use Nazi symbolism and call their idol Bandera.

Even Mr. Kissinger believes that Putin did not attack Ukraine. He said: “We need to ask ourselves the following question: he spent 60 billion dollars on the Olympics. There were opening and closing ceremonies of the Games, which sought to show Russia as a progressive state. It is incredible that after three days he would have attacked Ukraine. ”

Finally, as reported by the site, the New York Times newspaper, represented by Andrew Kramer, a correspondent in Donetsk (there were three more reporters with him), was convinced both of the reality of the referendum and the presence of a considerable number of people at polling stations.

“The atmosphere at the polling stations in Donetsk, the capital of the region, was festive: the entrances were decorated with balloons, and Soviet-style songs flowed from the speakers. Families with children stood in long lines to wait for a turn to vote.

Many voting people spoke of the hope that their voting would strengthen unity in the self-proclaimed independent republics of Donetsk and Lugansk and would allow an end to the violence in the region. Roman Agrizov, a 40-year-old metallurgist, wants his voice to be a signal for the withdrawal of troops from eastern Ukraine by the central government. “I vote because I do not want war,” he said.

Quite objectively (and at the same time subjectively, considering the occupation) German businessmen are disposed towards Russia. According to Spiegel, top managers of the companies “E.ON”, “Metro”, “BASF”, “Daimler” go to Russia with the aim of participating in the St. Petersburg Economic Forum.

The journalist (with displeasure) reminds that "leading international top managers" canceled their visits, but "some die-hard German business leaders still want to pay their respects to Putin."

Maybe the Spiegel journalist Klaus Heking would like the "die-hard" German businessmen to worship someone else, for example, Obama, but for some reason many Germans do not favor Obama.

In the most recent online survey of the same "Spiegel", the majority (almost three-quarters) of respondents appreciated B. Obama's foreign policy as negative.

And the last assessment just says that the American anti-Russian propaganda leads to the opposite result: the "die-hard" persist in the love of Putin.

Thanks to propaganda borrowed from the era of the Cold War, B.H. Obama is about to lose those pitiful remnants of trust that a small part of the foolish electorate is showing him. However, he doesn't care about the electorate: there will be no third presidential term.

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  1. Thompson
    Thompson 14 May 2014 08: 34
    Well. It can be stated that we are already starting to win the war in the media. The lessons were not in vain!
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 14 May 2014 09: 12
      Yes, we believe Donbass unambiguously and the World half believes. Today, by the way, we are playing hockey with Kazakhstan, maybe we need to lose to them, it will generally be a blow to American ambition, even more than after they lost to us 6: 1 laughing
      1. maximus235
        maximus235 14 May 2014 12: 32
        Sport must be out of politics!
      2. hommer
        hommer 14 May 2014 21: 37
        Quote: ZU-23
        Today, by the way, we are playing hockey with Kazakhstan, maybe we should lose to them

        No, don’t. Stronger Russian team.
        It will not be fair.
        And P. Indos must be humiliated honestly, according to the rules.
        In truth, strength, the more we differ from them.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  2. mig31
    mig31 14 May 2014 08: 48
    A fine line of rejection of reality to obscene, such are the State Department magazines, or-perverts !!!
  3. mamont5
    mamont5 14 May 2014 08: 55
    "We are behind enemy lines here, everyone is against us: the police, the army, the people. We do not trust anyone," one of the fighters with a Nazi symbol tattooed on his arm explained his nervousness.

    What bastards are scary ?! It will be even worse. Fear of expectation will kill them rather a bullet.
    1. xenod55
      xenod55 14 May 2014 09: 34
      It is true that the expectation of death in a man fighting for the grandmother leads him to hysterics and in the end is always under the bullet of his opponent. A person who fights for a just cause, for his freedom does not think about death and most often he has more chances to survive, since his brains are not confused by the fear of death. As the saying goes, "The bullet is afraid of the brave, the bayonet does not take the brave."
  4. Altona
    Altona 14 May 2014 09: 04
    The journalist (with displeasure) recalls that “leading international top managers” canceled their visits, but “some stubborn German business leaders still want to pay their respects to Putin.
    And how to deal with the growth of sales, if not to grease the client? Politicians, on the other hand, are not engaged in "field" work, they only send tax receipts to business ... Naturally, a normal businessman will rush to Putin, but at least go to hell for money, especially now ...
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 14 May 2014 09: 10
    You can't hide an awl in a sack, and the truth hurts more and more persistently. No matter how many magazines lick Obama, no matter how they try to present him as "white and fluffy," but smoked - it is smoked in Africa, and the policy of the States itself frankly stinks of sulfur.
  6. vlum
    vlum 14 May 2014 09: 26
    Still, it is interesting how successful the impact on public opinion can be by disseminating information through accounts on Twitter, Facebook, Google +, etc. In foreign languages. We read bloggers. Are they read "there" and how effective is this tool of information influence?
  7. mnbv199
    mnbv199 14 May 2014 09: 31
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 May 2014 13: 07
      The test kote ... At first, I wondered why he looked so much like a bee ... laughing fool
      1. Wels75
        Wels75 14 May 2014 17: 22
        new look - which laughing
  8. arch_kate3
    arch_kate3 14 May 2014 09: 32
    Information for thought:

    UN Resolution
    On December 20, 2010, the UN General Assembly adopted a resolution proposed by Russia, which urges member countries to fight against the glorification of fascism. The USA is the only major power that voted against the resolution, which 129 countries supported and adopted (the vote against is explained by the constitutional right to freedom of speech - US diplomats are not allowed to sign resolutions that are contrary to the US Constitution).
    1. thinker
      thinker 14 May 2014 09: 44
      Yeah! Cover up freedom of speech financing, support for Bandera! negative
    2. ddd1975
      ddd1975 14 May 2014 12: 40
      ..but what about the propaganda of drugs, pedophilia ... People who are not familiar with the norms of morality call everything freedom of speech. The propaganda of fascism must be equated with schizophrenia in a difficult stage - with appropriate restrictions, at least to compulsory "treatment" and certainly relieved of all positions held.
  9. Alf
    Alf 14 May 2014 09: 36
    Do ordinary Americans need to know the truth? They have native pillars - McDonald's, SNN, Discovery and America - the homeland of elephants. This is a nation that wants to eat, shit and fuck ... The rest is not interesting to them. A living example. During the first Gulf War, a symposium was held at an American university on the topic - Why the world does not like America. This is to what extent idio..tism and stupidity must be reached in order to be surprised, we broke into a neighbor's house, broke everything there, smashed .. fucked everyone living there and "why do you hate us." The common people live in their own world of Three Pillars and do not want to know anything. Those who run this herd are smart, but they still live in the 70s. And, in general, the country, like in a tin can, has closed from the inside and rushes by inertia, not noticing that "the road has ended" and the movement has almost stopped. Further, there are only two options - either it will bang from the inside or an external war will be organized. But the war will already be with a vigorous loaf.
  10. aristarh
    aristarh 14 May 2014 10: 04
    In Kiev, a man saw a dog that attacked a girl. He hit the dog and it died. Channel 5 journalist interviews him:
    - The Kiev hero rescued the girl from a rabid dog!
    The man interrupts:
    - I'm not a Kiev resident!
    - The alien saved the girl ...
    - I'm not a foreigner! I am from Donetsk!
    - The terrorist killed an innocent dog who was playing with a girl ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 May 2014 17: 34
      Only not "Channel 5", but "Echo of Matzo".
      1. alex_valent
        alex_valent 14 May 2014 18: 26
        ento our 5channel ... lizatsiya, that same channel
    2. alex_valent
      alex_valent 14 May 2014 18: 25
      the terrorist attacked an innocent dog ... wassat
  11. Victor-M
    Victor-M 14 May 2014 10: 07
    The American television channel CNN, which made a geographical discovery: in a report on Ukrainian referenda, placed Ukraine on the map of ... Pakistan.
    The United States is working on problems of a cosmic scale, because they are "exceptional", therefore, the error in the location of Ukraine on the world map, several thousand kilometers from the real one, is excusable and not so important. It is important that they know about Ukraine, remember it and think about it. The main thing is not to miss in drilling wells for shale gas production, for these - several thousand kilometers laughing
  12. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 14 May 2014 10: 24
    German businessmen are so mercantile - they do not allow to rob their income. and Obama is not loved. maybe they will soon be declared Nazis, with Pindocs it will become, easily.
  13. Weniamin
    Weniamin 14 May 2014 10: 42
    some stubborn German business leaders still want to pay their respects to Putin

    Politics and business are different.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 14 May 2014 13: 31
      Politics is a continuation of the economy. Business is an economy.
  14. 222222
    222222 14 May 2014 11: 14
    "Separatism and the Struggle for Independence: A Thin American Line"
    These thin American faces are always sewn with white thread and watered with the blood of others and the blood of ordinary American-American soldiers ..
    1.One side of the fine line ..
    "May 14, 2014, ITAR-TASS
    US President Barack Obama, at a meeting with the head of the National Coalition of Opposition and Revolutionary Forces (NCOR) of Syria, Ahmed al-Jarba, said he considered the presidential elections planned in the Arab Republic illegal.
    "President Obama stressed the illegality of the regime's election plans and indicated that the United States supports the moderate opposition and the Syrian people in their efforts to end the conflict and ensure a political transition," the White House said in a statement.
    2. The second side of the fine line ..
    = "The US administration plans, in accordance with the request of Kiev (???), to involve employees of a specialized non-governmental organization in the organization of the early presidential elections in Ukraine scheduled for May 25.
    = May 8, 23:50 News of Ukraine and the World
    US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland told the House of Representatives that the United States will provide Ukraine with financial and technical assistance, as well as send more than 3,3 thousand observers to the presidential elections in Ukraine on May 25, in particular, the US administration allocated $ 11 million to support activities public organizations during the election.
    "In addition to the 100 OSCE observers that the United States is sending, we also support 255 long-term and more than 3,3 thousand short-term observers," Nuland said.
    The line is so thin and thin .... and fluctuates in phase with the national strategic interests of the United States ..
    1. klavyr
      klavyr 14 May 2014 20: 24
      These thin American faces are always sewn with white thread and watered with the blood of others and the blood of ordinary American-American soldiers ..
      - I will try to disagree with your opinion: among the "ordinary American soldiers" the lion's share are not Americans, who (Latinos dreamers and everyone else) want to live like real Americans in America. And those of them who are real Americans, came to the army for money or freedom (prisoners). The first (those that are for the loot) are ready to shoot at anyone, just to stay alive and grab. WHERE ARE THE REAL PATRIOTS HERE ??? American business kills (no matter who) to manage!
  15. Sonik
    Sonik 14 May 2014 11: 34
    Rogozin turned off the GPS and now they are mistaken with the coordinates)) wassat
  16. sinukvl
    sinukvl 14 May 2014 11: 35
    How do you want the mattresses in their own skin and in their cities to experience everything that they did in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and what they do in Ukraine.
  17. Lawless
    Lawless 14 May 2014 11: 53
    Americans have gotten with their democracy! Came to the polls, voted, democracy is over ... We are giving up our freedom in favor of the state. so "ideally").
  18. mackonya
    mackonya 14 May 2014 12: 37
    "... he doesn't care about the electorate: there won't be a third presidential term." - so you think with horror who will take the place of B. Obama, because maybe even worse will come.
    1. klavyr
      klavyr 14 May 2014 20: 07
      "... he doesn't care about the electorate: there won't be a third presidential term." - so you think with horror who will take the place of B. Obama, because maybe even worse will come.
      - The main thing is not to stay awake! whoever comes! they don’t understand us:
  19. SPLV
    SPLV 14 May 2014 14: 00
    Eh, maybe our sanctions will be introduced? It would be illegal to declare the declaration of independence of the 1776 of the year in the states, since people came to power after the armed coup (separatists), demand the introduction of peacekeepers in the UN consisting of representatives of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Korea, Libya, Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela , Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan, Pakistan ... Punish the Indian people for the genocide, and select the president from the reservations, and deprive the rest of them of the right to vote.
  20. ankir13
    ankir13 14 May 2014 14: 24
    That kote ... like a bee. Well thought out. It is necessary to paint all the kote so, let the eggs get crazy!
  21. sv68
    sv68 14 May 2014 14: 31
    even the name of the country-the separatist states of America already explains who you are dealing with and that only brute force is needed against such a country, otherwise they won’t understand
  22. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 14 May 2014 16: 24
    Quote: ZU-23
    Yes, we believe Donbass unambiguously and the World half believes. Today, by the way, we are playing hockey with Kazakhstan, maybe we need to lose to them, it will generally be a blow to American ambition, even more than after they lost to us 6: 1 laughing

    It would be better if they won at the Olympics! And then we lost to everyone who can and who cannot!
  23. sounddoc
    sounddoc 14 May 2014 18: 37
    Favorite pants Turchinov)))
  24. klavyr
    klavyr 14 May 2014 19: 59
    We will start winning the media war when we destroy the "American Dream." In the meantime, not to fat. While we resist, we live! We will live (to harm the enemy) !!!
  25. Spike
    Spike 15 May 2014 00: 18
    The media is the media ... There are some sanctions ... The economy of the USSR during the so-called. The Cold War was isolated from the rest of the world. This is a rapidly developing market and many corporations simply will not allow their governments to destroy their profits ... THE INTRODUCTION OF RUSSIAN TROOPS TO THE SOUTH-EAST OF UKRAINE IS INEVITABLE ...