Indonesia abandoned plans to purchase Ukrainian armored vehicles

According to the blog bmpd, at a conference that was held on 9 in May at the Naval Academy in Jakarta, Indonesian Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro announced that they had abandoned their initial plans for the purchase of 50 BTR-4 armored personnel carriers in Ukraine. The minister named the political crisis in the country as the reason.

According to Purnomo Yusgiantoro, initially, when choosing, they were guided by good reviews, since many other countries were satisfied with the armored vehicles manufactured at Eastern European enterprises. The Minister of Defense of Indonesia stated that the BTR-4 system had a priority place in the strategic procurement plans, but as a result of the war in Ukraine, it was decided to abandon the purchase of armored vehicles in the region.

Currently, the Ministry of Indonesia, together with the country's Navy, is considering the possibility of acquiring similar equipment for the marines from other manufacturers. Among the possible options, Yusgiantoro also indicated the intentions of the command to acquire a certain amount of BMP-3F in Russia.

Thus, Ukraine will not be awarded a contract for the supply of fifty BTR-4 for the Indonesian marines. It also remains unclear the fate of another contract, according to which Indonesia was planning to purchase a test batch of five Ukrainian armored personnel carriers. This contract was considered at the end of February of the current year, but, apparently, was not completed.

There is information that the BTR-4E intended for Iraq were transferred to the Omega unit of the newly formed National Guard of Ukraine.

Comments

[Evgeniy31]

I apologize for offtopic, but:
“Based on the will of the people of the Donetsk People's Republic and for the restoration of historical justice, we ask the Russian Federation to consider the issue of the Donetsk People's Republic joining the Russian Federation,” read out the DPR's appeal, the co-chairman of the interim government.

RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140512/1007507367.html#ixzz31WHkV4dw

Who thinks about this?

[chunga-changa]

Something is not right there. It seems that everyone has already been explained more than once that Russia will not accept the region. We need to unite and and make New Russia. Apparently a provocation, but this citizen works for Akhmetych's money. It is necessary to send a representative so that he would poke his nose at the local "authorities", frankly speaking, not impressive in their abilities, into the correct actions. Well, clean in parallel. People may be for independence, but all the local deputies are proteges of Akhmetov and they have their own serious interests in most cases that do not coincide with the interests of the people.

[77bob1973]

It’s just not time yet, the next Olympics are still far away!

[kelevra]

It will be just gorgeous!

[Akulina]

At the wrong time, let's say ... Only the fact that people die there every day can justify such haste. In addition, they seem to have voted in a referendum not for joining the Russian Federation, but for independence from Ukraine - and these are two big differences. We are waiting for what the GDP will say ... But I don’t think that right tomorrow morning - “come in” .... In this case, the rest of Ukraine will almost certainly be lost - even just as a good neighbor, which is very bad, and I don’t think what is included in Putin's plans ...

[sledge]

I agree. The question at the referendum was about independence, and the people cast their votes for INDEPENDENCE. It turns out the people again deceived? Then at a referendum it was necessary to provide for the subsequent entry into Russia. IMHO

[builder]

It looks like some kind of setup .... Not a smart thing .... Premature

[igor_m_p]

Quote: Sanya

We ask the Russian Federation to consider the issue of the entry of the Donetsk People's Republic into the Russian Federation

This phrase is quite ambiguous. "Consider joining" does not mean "please include in the Russian Federation". In my opinion, this is rather a proposal to draw up some kind of agreement of intent. It is quite possible that if our government finds it possible to admit new regions, then they will simply hold another referendum on joining Russia.

[Blot]

"Even just like a good neighbor" - you smoked something ... That's it! They will never be good neighbors again! 23 years of hatred education !!!

[g1v2]

It’s not worth taking immediately, maybe we’ll substitute for sanctions and from the territory of the DPR it is possible to raise the remaining regions of Ukraine. That is, if they want to be part of Russia, they will be, but later, but for now let the independent state of New Russia be. Now they need to solve the problem with all parts of the whole of Ukraine on their territory, and then organize militias and the transferred parts of the sun into the armed forces of the DPR and LPR. After that, open the borders with Russia, so that we can help financially. If the DNI and LNR unite in New Russia, then other regions of the southeast will strive for them, and if we immediately accept Donbas as part of Russia, then it will become more difficult to raise the remaining regions. It is necessary to clean up the east from the law enforcement officers and security officials of the junta, organize your army, and then start working on the organization of referenda in Kharkov and Odessa. There are many who also do not want to live under Bandera, but after May 2, they are afraid to express support. It is difficult to raise an ordinary person to the barricades, but many will want to join the militia units if they approach Kharkov. And by the way, it is necessary to fight for the rest of Ukraine. You can’t leave the maydaunas and Bender in power either in Kiev or in Lviv, otherwise after a while we will get a country nearby, the meaning of which will harm Russia.

[mamont5]

Quote: Evgeniy31

Who thinks about this?

First, the independent Donetsk Republic must be recognized. And it would be desirable for them to have more organization, well, and expansion to other regions, and there we will see.

And about the rejection of Ukrainian technology ... Well, everything is logical. Soon, the last orders will leave. In better times, the marriage was persecuted, and now there’s nothing to wait.

[RAA]

I think there will be a silent refusal, since an elected authorized body must be created in advance, which will organize a new referendum on joining Russia. It's not easy. And Russia could have entered the troops a long time ago, there is a request from the legitimate president.

[Samaritan]

Well, who would doubt it ???))))

[Ased]

The minister called the political crisis in the country as the reason.

Ukraine will not easily fulfill its obligations and will be blamed for force majeure. Or the machinations of Russia. :)))

[Roman1970]

It's easy to blame everything on Russia ... Well, after all, there must be someone to blame! Anyway, a sane person will not get involved with a poor country ... There is a great chance that the money will go "to the left" and everything will be dumped on a "political crisis" (see - Russia)

[sinnik80]

Another blow to the Ukrainian economy.

[Samaritan]

Unfortunately, the first batch will be used against ours !!!

[TEODOR]

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_Ukraine /
It is urgent to stop the spread of fascism around the world! They threaten death to all, each of us!

[Ulairy]

+ to you, Theodore. Subscribed 10 seconds ago! (whatever that changes ...)

[crow]

something about the UN can not be believed ..... if it is true ..... this is a victory of justice !!!!!

[TurboSloN]

They no longer know who to bet their bets on, at any price, if only to grab something from the remnants of the country and topple away ... parasites.

[Ulairy]

And, mne-e, I have glitches, or is it such windshields (!) Glasses !!! On the BTR ?! Radically...
Oh yes, this mega-bester can withstand a frontal hit of a 12,7 mm bullet from 30 meters. Indonesia, how could you? Beautiful frontal view, the sky and the sun! And an engine to order from Iveco! A beautiful minibus (with a spitting (poisoned dart) tube on the tower) ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Ulairy

And, mne-e, I have glitches, or is it such windshields (!) Glasses !!! On the BTR ?! Radically...

Alexander, is your phrase humor?
It is incomprehensibly simple.


And in the photo: Fahrschulepanzer-2.
A German tank for driving instruction, more precisely - a full-size layout in which cadets and an instructor can be.

[svp67]

This is not ONE, but at least TWO strikes on Ukraine ... the second is added to the first - the deprivation of proceeds in foreign currency - all the armored personnel carriers produced will most likely end up with the "National Guard" ... and nothing good, for Ukraine it is not promises ...

[igor_m_p]

It is unlikely that in the near future they will be physically able to produce something. Many components and assemblies for the BTR-4 were made in the Crimea, something was ordered in Russia. Accordingly, since these ties are now broken, it will be necessary to establish new industries, which Ukraine is simply not capable of at the moment.
And given Iraq's refusal of these armored personnel carriers because of marriage, it seems that "an unstable political situation" is a polite form of the phrase "we do not need your avno"

[gfs84]

According to Purnomo Yusgiantoro, initially, when choosing, they were guided by good reviews, since many other countries were satisfied with the armored vehicles manufactured at Eastern European enterprises. The Minister of Defense of Indonesia stated that the BTR-4 system had a priority place in the strategic procurement plans, but as a result of the war in Ukraine, it was decided to abandon the purchase of armored vehicles in the region.

We agreed with one country, and now there are several of them ...
And Kiev can’t guarantee anything:

KIEV, May 12. / ITAR-TASS /. Government Of Ukraine suspends state investments in the country's industry, said Pavel Sheremeta, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada, Minister of Economic Development and Trade, on the air of Ukrainian Radio.

He stressed that over the next six months, the allocation of money to support production will be frozen. "We cut this funding so as not to cut all social programs, although some of them still had to be reduced," the official said.

He hopes that the lack of government investment will be offset by private investment.... "The production attracts funds from other states and international financial organizations," he stressed, urging "to use private capital as much as possible."

Earlier, Sheremeta, speaking about the growth prospects of the Ukrainian economy, said that in 2014 the fall in GDP could exceed 3%. "In 2014, according to optimistic forecasts, we will have a 3% decline in GDP, but this may be a larger decline. In addition, there will be a significant increase in consumer prices," Sheremeta warned.
Rising gas prices

Since May 1, Ukraine has increased the marginal price of gas for industrial consumers and organizations financed from state and local budgets by 17,5% in Ukraine.

According to the commission’s decision, the maximum price (the price above which gas supply companies cannot sell gas to consumers) from May 1 will amount to 4 thousand 724 hryvnias per thousand cubic meters ($ 414,02 at the rate of the National Bank of Ukraine).

This price does not include VAT, a fee to the approved gas tariff in the form of a targeted allowance, tariffs for gas transportation, distribution and supply at a regulated tariff.

Gas prices for industry and budget organizations have already risen this year. From April 1, they were increased by 29,1% and 64,2%, respectively.

http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1181058

The state will not help industry, but private traders will certainly help - will they organize another SMS marathon?)))
Yes, and what kind of industry, the one that is still left will break away from Kiev along with the regions ...

[Anton Gavrilov]

Well what else can I say, this was to be expected.

[sso-xnumx]

And rightly so! Cooperation is possible only with a stable state and a legitimate government. Who wants to give money to impostors. Bad dumb!

[jovanni]

No, the minister softened everything. Just a crisis in Ukraine, there is nothing to eat the National Guard, here dill barter asked. Salom. And Indonesia is Muslim! Where will they get it? 50 bets ...

[Naval]

The junta accepts orders not only for armored personnel carriers, but also for flying saucers, myelophones, time machines, and other wonders, you should give money, and then find them ...

[igor_m_p]

Flitterklozet ??????

[sledge]

What kind of purchases in the country where there is a civil war can be discussed? There is no president, no government, no normal power - who should trust the money?

[buser]

click on such a market as Indonesian (4th place in the world in terms of population), this must be managed !!! Well, if Indonesia buy Russian armored personnel carriers (you can say the usual bunch of nasty things). And if your beloved West intercept this contract ??? What were you fighting for ??? Why are you miserable ???

[boozer]

Yes, offer China, they are pulling scrap metal in compositions of 40 wagons to themselves!

[storm wind]

Let us buy armored personnel carriers! They found the problem ..

[skylare]

The recent "situation" in Iraq, when a batch of ukrotekhniki was sent back, has practically created a certain reputation for the quality of their products. So there is nothing surprising in this. The only bad thing is that the "abandoned" equipment will most likely go into service with the National Guard, and accordingly will be in the east of the country.

[Barmal]

Quote: skylare

The recent "situation" in Iraq, when a batch of ukrotekhniki was sent back, has practically created a certain reputation for the quality of their products. So there is nothing surprising in this. The only bad thing is that the "abandoned" equipment will most likely go into service with the National Guard, and accordingly will be in the east of the country.

I understand that the batch has not yet been made. And if the Indonesians wanted to float "culling" from the abandoned party, then the civil war is a pretext for breaking the agreements. So, as many armored vehicles will be given to the National Guard as they decided. We just couldn't push what's in the warehouse.

[Rblipetsk]

Well, what they fought for ... they will ride on the Maidan for another year or two and all the "free" Galicians will have to integrate as much as possible into Europe in the form of beggars, shit-cleaners, prostitutes ...

[ksv1973]

Quote: RBLipetsk

Well, what they fought for ... they will ride on the Maidan for another year or two and all the "free" Galicians will have to integrate as much as possible into Europe in the form of shitty people ... the most important thing is that they did not mask ...

The Galicians have not yet earned the right to be shitty. So far, they are just shit-eaters, and up to the title of "European shit-cleaners" they have to become, all without exception, bearded women.

[Dezinto]

what tin?

[Rblipetsk]

Quote: DEZINTO

what tin?

Well, rummaged through no, found. children so to speak until 18 ...

[ksv1973]

The industry of the agonizing state, since the moment of its creation, cannot, without a Russian military-industrial complex, surrender anything WORKABLE!
This was felt even by the countries of the Third World. It’s one thing to sell off the rest of the USSR, and it’s quite another to invent something yourself and produce it qualitatively.

[Wels75]

I think that Indonesia was stupidly afraid that the Ukrainians would fill up the contract. A little bit more and the industry will end in dill. It is better to take in Russia, more reliable suppliers)))

[pvv113]

There is information that the BTR-4E intended for Iraq were transferred to the Omega unit of the newly formed National Guard of Ukraine.

This is so that the right-wingers could be chased through the villages for moonshine

[suharev-52]

Well, it's you in vain. There is a fully functional military-industrial complex in Ukraine. The same "Yuzhmash", "Motor Sich". And they were deeply integrated into our military-industrial complex. So, what else is that situevina. Sincerely.

[ksv1973]

Quote: suharev-52

Well, it's you in vain. There is a fully functional military-industrial complex in Ukraine. The same "Yuzhmash", "Motor Sich". And they were deeply integrated into our military-industrial complex. So, what else is that situevina. Sincerely.

“Efficient” does not mean “competitive”. "Zhiguli" is also a car, but honestly, what would you choose, faced with a dilemma - heaped up, with all the options "Grant" or "Logan" as standard?

[capex1]

Well, with the initiative Banderlog !!!!

[Russ69]

Indonesia, can wait a little longer and the same BTR-4, will buy from us ...

[cerbuk6155]

Quote: ksv1973

Quote: suharev-52

Well, it's you in vain. There is a fully functional military-industrial complex in Ukraine. The same "Yuzhmash", "Motor Sich". And they were deeply integrated into our military-industrial complex. So, what else is that situevina. Sincerely.

“Efficient” does not mean “competitive”. "Zhiguli" is also a car, but honestly, what would you choose, faced with a dilemma - heaped up, with all the options "Grant" or "Logan" as standard?

I totally agree. Yuzhmash and Motor Sich work only because RUSSIA places orders with them and buys almost all of its products. And without our orders, they will bend on the second day.

[yushch]

It certainly turns out: "IT CANNOT BE LEAVED TO CONNECT." Our management has a very difficult choice where to put the comma ...

[Manul49]

Indonesia was scared by the situation with the payment of our gas.
We were afraid to give money and get ***.

[A1L9E4K9S]

I think there’s no need to rush with the adoption of Russia, it’s better to let the DPR be better, just need help to the fullest. Maybe in time others will join them, even if they are in free swimming.

[erofich]

But there’s nothing to choose yet. There is no DNR-purely legal. Yes, and they themselves must do everything, and then hunt down chestnuts.

[Cristall]

Quote: cerbuk6155

I totally agree. Yuzhmash and Motor Sich work only because RUSSIA places orders with them and buys almost all of its products. And without our orders, they will bend on the second day.

Yuzhmash a little yes - interrupted by Russian orders, but after the epic with the Cyclone - only the Anti-aircraft program together ... and so the Russian Federation abandoned Yuzhmash a long time ago. He is more interested in surviving and working with someone. But with Russia, cooperation is limited .. and reduced to zero.
RF-Yuzhmash uninteresting .. so by inertia crumbs ..
MS - the share since 2008 when it was 50% of the products delivered to the Russian Federation - is declining. In 2012, it fell to 30% ... I think now it is 20% or maybe less. It’s a bet on the Petersburgers .. They say that in 2015 they will be able to supply as much as the largest engine plant in Eastern Europe .. I agree with Boguslaev --- the Ukrainians will still have a lower price ... who has the best quality debate-- Well, here I’m not going to do PR actions .. MS has been doing it for a long time and nobody complained ..
In general - the opinion that MS and Yuzhmash ONLY live on Russian orders has long been refuted .. For them, the Russian Federation is the share of the order markets - large, but not the main one. In addition, the Russian Federation wants to host. Obviously, the technological chain will break here and MS and Yuzhmash will finally lose those 20% of sales. MS will compete in other markets with the St. Petersburg plant, since the Russian Federation will not allow competition in the Russian market (obviously because of the price)
However, in the coming years, a complete rejection of engines from Ukraine is unlikely to happen. Thus, the Russian Air Force and various civilian transport companies use a large fleet of helicopter equipment, which was produced or designed back in the USSR, and engines for it are produced at Motor Sich. Thus, to organize the production of power plants for obsolete machines is not economically feasible.
As Ukrainian engines, I have no doubt. The desire of the Russian Federation to have is undoubtedly good. Well, in general, a gap is then inevitable.
As Russian experts admit, the suspension of the supply of helicopter engines from Ukraine will cause significant damage to the national helicopter industry. The production volumes at OKB "Klimova" are still relatively small. Even with the best efforts, the St. Petersburg company will be able to reach the required production scale not earlier than the end of 2015 - early 2016. At the same time, as noted in Motor-Sich, Russian engines will be more expensive and less reliable than their Ukrainian counterparts for a long time to come. In the end, the Ukrainian enterprise has modern technologies and know-how, and most importantly - its own school of engine building and experience measured in decades, which competitors cannot boast of.
In addition to helicopter engines, there are a number of other areas in which the termination of supplies from Ukraine will be a very sensitive blow to Russian customers. This is, first of all, rocketry, which has retained a high level of cooperation between Russian and Ukrainian enterprises to this day. These are power plants for ships and power plants, aircraft engines and other parts and assemblies for aircraft of the An family, turbines and turbine generators. Such products, which are produced in Ukraine by such enterprises as Dnipropetrovsk Yuzhmash, Kharkov Electrotyazhmash and Turboatom, Nikolaev Zorya-Mashproekt and a number of others, occupy an important place in the Russian market, and it will be difficult and very expensive to replace it. ...
However, Russian problems are still Russian problems. Meanwhile, the breakdown of cooperative ties will do much more damage to Ukraine itself.
http://minprom.ua/articles/152956.html

[Cristall]

There is another enterprise .. "Zorya-Mashproekt", which produces about 40% of its products according to Russian orders. Turbines of Nikolaev production are used on sea vessels, including warships of the Russian fleet, the main share of sales to Russia falls on peaceful products, for example, on orders from Gazprom.
As you can see, about 20% of MS, 40% of SM, Yuzhmash is also about this ... there are probably enterprises where it exceeds 50% of the Russian direction. But among the strategic ones (well, probably Turboatom), quite a few.
All the same, Ukrainian-Russian relations forced both participants in the process to abandon each other.
But the tale that all the main enterprises only in the Russian Federation is wrong. But the market share of the Russian Federation is significant. In addition, this is the closest market with the best transport leverage, and even familiar to the pain ... But still, no more than 20-40% ...
And under the Indonesian contract - let's wait ... They can also be understood - in the country a mess ... Although APC 4 is a good armored personnel carrier.
Interestingly, MS and ZM products are freely allowed to cross the border in the Russian Federation?

[Everest2014]

Ukraine CE 8)