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Presented new armored cars "Toros" and "Cleaver"

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At the end of March, International Truck Alliance Rus (“Intrall”) and the Internet portal Cardesign.ru announced the launch of the “Combat Transport Vehicle of the 21st Century” competition. The participants were required to develop and present the appearance of a promising armored car that could be used in the army in the near future (early twenties). Reception of works was completed in late April, and in early May, the jury summed up the results of the competition. From 6 to 11 in May, an exhibition of entries was held at the All-Russian Museum of Decorative, Applied and Folk Art (Moscow). In addition to the sketches and drawings presented by the contestants, several prototypes of promising armored cars developed by Intrall were shown at the exhibition.


At the exhibition were presented for the first time the armored vehicles “Toros” and “Kolun”, created by the specialists of the Intrall company and the AMUR automobile plant (Novouralsk). According to available data, the shown prototypes of promising armored cars are built with extensive use of components and assemblies of existing equipment. The main "donors" of the components were civilian cars of domestic development. It is likely that such an approach to the creation of armored vehicles in the future will be able to simplify and cheapen their serial construction (of course, if the armored vehicles "Toros" and "Cleaver" find their customers).

Presented new armored cars "Toros" and "Cleaver"



Since the first demonstration of new armored cars took place as part of the exhibition of works submitted to the designers' competition, it is impossible not to note their interesting appearance. The project authors had to seriously work on the design of armored hulls. According to reports, they proceeded from the requirement of simplifying the design while maintaining its high characteristics. This is due to the characteristic forms of buildings, formed by conjugated rectilinear armored panels. It should be noted that the armored vehicles "Toros" and "Cleaver" got an interesting and recognizable appearance. As for the real characteristics of such cases, it is too early to talk about them.

Armored car "Toros" is designed to transport fighters with weapons and necessary goods. The design of the machine involves the use of several body options, depending on the wishes of the customer. In addition to the basic option for the transport of soldiers, the customer can get an ambulance or armored car with a cargo platform in the rear of the case. It is possible to build a cargo-passenger version with a shortened cab and a reduced space for cargo. Of the entire spectrum of possible modifications, only three were presented at the recent exhibition: basic, commanding and sanitary.





The total mass of the basic modification of the four-wheeled armored car "Toros" can reach 6,8 tons. With such a weight, the car has a length of more than 5,1 meters, a width of about 2,5 m and a height of 2,36 m. The armored car is equipped with a diesel engine with a turbocharging power 136 hp meeting the requirements of the Euro-4 standard. The engine is mated to a five-speed manual gearbox. The wheels of the armored car have an independent torsion bar suspension. One of the authors of the project, designer A. Kuzmin, told the ITAR-TASS news agency that the chassis of the vehicle uses certain units borrowed from domestic armored personnel carriers to ensure high performance.

Using such units, the armored car can reach speeds up to 85 km / h on a highway. The estimated range in such conditions reaches 1000 km. The machine is able to overcome water obstacles by swimming. The movement is carried out due to the rotation of the wheels.

Perspective armored car "Toros" can be protected in accordance with the 3 level of the standard STANAG 4569. This means that frontal armor with a thickness of 14 mm and onboard thickness up to 12 mm provide protection for the crew and units from the armor-piercing bullets of the cartridge 7,62 x51 mm. In addition, the armor is capable of holding fragments of an 155-mm artillery projectile in an explosion at a distance of 80 meters. Mine protection of the machine is carried out according to the NATO standard 2 level, and is able to withstand the undermining of 6 kg of TNT under the wheel. It is noted that at the maximum level of protection the armored car loses its ability to swim.








Armored car "Toros" has a fairly dense layout of the passenger cabin. In the basic version, designed to transport fighters with weaponsIt has ten seats. Two rows of three seats are located in the front and middle parts of the cab (including the driver's seat), four more seats are available in the rear. Thus, a new armored car can carry a squad of nine soldiers, not counting the driver. For boarding and disembarking on each side of the machine there are two doors that open in different directions. For access to the four rear seats, a door is provided in the hull aft sheet.

The “Cleaver” armored car has large dimensions in comparison with the “Toros” and the corresponding characteristics. Like the second armored car company Intrall, "Cleaver" is designed to perform transport functions. From the available information, it follows that on the basis of this armored vehicle a vehicle for transporting personnel or an armored heavy-duty truck can be created. According to the calculations of the authors of the project, with its own curb weight up to 9 tons, "Cleaver" will be able to transport up to 4 tons of cargo. One of the most interesting features of the project was shown at a recent exhibition: one of the prototypes had a six-wheeled chassis, the other - four-wheeled.






The AMUR plant has been building ZIL-131 trucks for several years, and the production of chassis for special equipment based on this machine continues to this day. It was this chassis that was chosen as the basis for the “Cleaver” armored car. After some modifications, the base chassis can be used for the construction of armored vehicles.

It is proposed to equip both "Cleaver" armored cars with a turbocharged diesel engine and an intercooler complying with the Euro-4 standard. Engine power - 136 HP The engine is connected to a five-speed manual gearbox. The chassis of the armored car, which is a further development of the units of the truck ZIL-131, is equipped with a dependent suspension based on longitudinal leaf springs with telescopic shock absorbers. Leading are the rear (rear) axles. If necessary, you can connect the front axle.

Since the armored vehicles "Toros" and "Cleaver" were developed in parallel, it is proposed to equip them with identical armor protection. The declared level of protection of the "Cleaver" armored truck corresponds to the level of protection of the "Toros". The machine can be protected from 7,62-mm armor-piercing rifle bullets and fragments of 155-mm projectiles at a distance of 80 m. In addition, mine protection from ammunition with a charge of up to 6 kg of TNT is declared.

As follows from the presented materials, the “Cleaver” armored car can be equipped with one of two types of armored hull. The first of them is proposed to be carried out in the form of two separate blocks: in one, the engine and the driver's cabin are placed, in the second - the landing force or cargo. The second option involves the use of a single armored hull. Regardless of the architecture of the hull, the “Cleaver” armored car is capable of transporting armed people to 16. Two seats are located next to the driver, the rest - in the amphibious troop compartment. For landing in the car, there are two doors in the sides of the driver's cabin and a large door in the rear of the hull.

The exhibition at the All-Russian Museum of Decorative, Applied and Folk Art showed five prototype machines: three versions of the Toros (basic, commanding and sanitary) and two versions of the Colun (six-wheeled with a troop compartment and four-wheeled without). All five machines are simplified prototypes. They use the components of the power plant and chassis, which are planned to be installed on serial equipment. At the same time, the machines are equipped with non-armored steel cases. Five machines are designed to test some technical solutions, as well as to demonstrate the project to potential buyers.

According to media reports, the work on the projects of armored vehicles "Toros" and "Cleaver" started about a year ago. During this time, Intrall employees developed a technical project, and AMUR plant built several prototype machines. Already conducted the first tests at the site in Nizhny Tagil. It is alleged that some foreign customers are interested in the projects. Who exactly - has not yet been reported. It is noted that the Russian armed forces are considered the main customers. The Russian Ministry of Defense, in turn, has not yet responded to new projects.


On the materials of the sites:
http://cardesign.ru/
http://itar-tass.com/
http://metronews.ru/
http://evge-chesnokov.livejournal.com/
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Evgeniya Cherkasova http://evge-chesnokov.livejournal.com
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  1. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 13 May 2014 07: 41
    +10
    Futuristic look. But the news on the reservation is not encouraging.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 08: 16
      +15
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      booking is not encouraging.

      one thing pleases that in Russia there was one more company for the design and production of armored vehicles (((
      the more competition, the better the quality and performance characteristics of this product ...

      ,, Toros ,, were built using aggregates from BTR-60, and trucks ,, Cleaver ,, use the base from ZIL-131 .....
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 13 May 2014 08: 48
        +23
        technological solutions that were applied by the company, Intall, are not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday ....
        application, ZIL 131 base (a chassis that is different for its time) and components and assemblies from BTR-60, this is generally an anachronism .....

        the development of KamAZ and the Urals, have gone far ahead in technology and security ....
        the prototypes presented are designed so that the people who designed them do not know at all the history of the creation of an armored car .. in the world and in Russia ....

        what catches your eye, except for the design there is nothing that could be noted ...
        1. Rough finish, I would even say artisanal ....
        2. The seats of both the driver and the landing are bolted to the floor, not to the hull or roof ...
        3. Flat, bottom, then again, when creating it was not taken into account, ANTI-SOMETHING PROTECTION !!!

        there are, already created in MZKT, freight cars ,,,, project 6001 3х3, and 5001 4х4 ...
        with automatic transmission, independent suspension (all Belarusian production)))))
        why not create armored cars on this modern dietary supplement ?????


        VOLAT 6001

        1. koosss
          koosss 13 May 2014 15: 32
          +3
          clearly made
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        3. Serg 122
          Serg 122 13 May 2014 16: 54
          +5
          what catches your eye, except for the design there is nothing that could be noted ...
          1. Rough finish, I would even say artisanal ....
          2. The seats of both the driver and the landing are bolted to the floor, not to the hull or roof ...
          3. Flat, bottom, then again, when creating it was not taken into account, ANTI-SOMETHING PROTECTION !!!

          I looked at the photos of the models that participated in the competition .... These - though not so funny!
          1 place: prototype of the combat vehicle of Alexander Gabyshev
          1. Serg 122
            Serg 122 13 May 2014 16: 58
            +2
            2nd place: the project of Yerzhan Ryskaliev
            1. Serg 122
              Serg 122 13 May 2014 17: 00
              +2
              3 place: Andrei Melnik project
              So “Toros” and “Cleaver” are design wonders !!! smile
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 13 May 2014 19: 03
                +4
                Quote: Serg 122
                3 place: Andrei Melnik project

                this is a project, more suited to realities, operation in combat conditions !!!!
                just take off the spare tire from the roof, it will interfere with the machine gunner .....

                design projects are beautiful, but not functional ((((
                with rare exceptions ......
                1. Serg 122
                  Serg 122 13 May 2014 23: 59
                  +2
                  just take off the spare tire from the roof, it will interfere with the machine gunner .....
                  No where to clean. Not to her salon
          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 13 May 2014 18: 58
            +3
            Quote: Serg 122
            1 place: prototype of the combat vehicle of Alexander Gabyshev

            and it already was .....
            why such a futuristic design ????
            the simpler the line, the lower the price ((((

            money at creation, armored car .. must be invested, after all:
            1. Armor, preferably compact .....
            2.Tractive and economical engine ...
            3.AKPP, domestic, or Belarusian production ....
            4. Independent suspension .....
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 13 May 2014 09: 00
        +4
        Raw cars.
        It’s not like a serial model is just ideas for a prototype, moreover, it’s not interesting ..
    2. atarix
      atarix 13 May 2014 10: 25
      +1
      it is a weapon against the crowd.
      therefore, especially with armor and did not bother
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  2. ramsi
    ramsi 13 May 2014 08: 37
    +7
    under the hood, as usual, quiet horror
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 13 May 2014 09: 26
    +10
    The cleaver has a pretty face. Only here is an interesting situevina obtained. Similar machines BTR 152 were already produced in the USSR to them. at the request of the military !!!!! the designers abandoned the frame structure, the armored hull was the carrier itself. This allowed to significantly increase armor protection, without increasing the mass against the frame armored car. Dear designers, use the experience of ancestors. Modernize the BTR 152 to the modern level, taking as its basis its armored hull. and it seems to me it’s possible
    1. jjj
      jjj 13 May 2014 11: 49
      +2
      The luxury armored car "Kombat" has been privately produced in Russia for many years. He has a bottom - armor plate 100 mm. The engine, transmission and body are attached to it - also armored. The machine is finished. High-speed and passable. True, it is expensive. But, if the luxury filling is removed
    2. 52
      52 13 May 2014 15: 41
      +2
      I agree with you! It seems that the guys, apart from the books of Baryatinsky and Shugurov, did not open anything, although the reincarnation of the BTR-40, BTR-152 at the modern level is all the same yesterday. As if there is no South African experience, and yes Israel, and our experience should also be taken into account. But, the blues of the Mach, the design, especially in the "Cleaver", liked it - recognizable!
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 13 May 2014 17: 41
        +1
        Quote: 52gim
        As if there is no experience in South Africa, and yet yes, Israel, and our experience should also be taken into account.

        Vom every now and then that they have no experience, for example, against real AT-mines. All the tricks used against them in MRAPs simply do not work, especially for mines with a "shock core". All these notions are against guerrilla warfare, against IEDs with a low explosive weight, but the gifts of today's partisans are at least a warhead from the Grad or a box of ordinary TNT in checkers weighing 12 kg, or maybe an ordinary barrel of fuel and lubricants stuffed with ammonal and saltpeter. The current evasions of developers are still powerless against such miracles. The latest bombings in Palestine or Afghanistan prove this, there are simply no survivors ...
  4. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 13 May 2014 09: 27
    +2
    Very good cars turned out.
    The engineers of this enterprise did a good job on general design solutions so that these two types of armored vehicles could be launched as soon as possible.
    For the first time I see in our automotive industry, an integrated approach to solving the problem of equipping our power structures with such equipment.
    I was especially impressed by the TOROS family of multi-purpose vehicles, represented by a whole range of modifications for various tasks. I am especially pleased that there is a sanitary version with armor protection.
    In the configuration of the armored corps, it can be seen that they were conceived by a person who has a concept of armored protection.
    It is a pity that there is no photo of the back of the "COLON". I would like to see a ramp there.
    Of course, these machines require refinement and passing the test program.
    It is better to put a checkpoint "automatic" of course, Zilovskaya is certainly not bad, but ...
    As for the seats for "TOROS", there is a wish that they still be suspended (to the ceiling or to the walls). Also, instead of rubber, corrugated metal sheets were laid on the floor, and the upholstery of the sidewalls was not leatherette, but a splinter-resistant Kevlar lining.
    This instrument panel is not suitable. It is better that the instruments are standard for army vehicles.
    And so ... I wish all those who came up with and made such good luck machines.
    Maybe our security forces will order the equipment for you, at least for the BBO and the Far Eastern region.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 13 May 2014 09: 39
      +1
      Yes, it’s worth adding more about door locks, these are not suitable, they are weak for such heavy doors.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 13 May 2014 09: 51
        0
        It is alleged that some foreign customers are interested in the projects. Who exactly - has not yet been reported. (Quote from the article)

        And who can it be ??! laughing
        Seeing such characteristic stars on the sides, this is not hard to guess.
    2. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 09: 45
      +2
      hi sash hi
      Quote: wanderer_032
      automotive industry, an integrated approach,

      and what is this approach ???
      Now, in the world, to armored vehicles, first of all the LOGISTIC APPROACH !!!!
      and these "miracles" are not in sight ....

      I repeat, but the prototypes of the KAYMAN company, 'Vepr', in engineering thought, were an order of magnitude superior to these copies, although they were created back in 2002 !!!
      () and design with 100 times cooler)))) there was no money, for mass production)))
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 13 May 2014 09: 57
        0
        here is a more detailed video
        "Cayman" 2.3.4.5., Boar "
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 13 May 2014 10: 32
          +3
          Quote: cosmos111
          "Caiman"


          "Cayman" is a car for completely different tasks, mainly civil (geological exploration, etc.), first of all, it is a transport for serious off-road conditions (ie a wheeled snow and swamp vehicle, or as they are often called pneumatic vehicle). The machine has the lightest possible structure (load-bearing frame made of pipes, sheathed with fiberglass). Moreover, it is double in total.
          Such a machine is not suitable for installing armor and PMZ. As for most of the tasks facing military or police special vehicles.
          Its use in the military sphere, even for RDGs, is very limited, primarily due to its small internal dimensions and the complexity of such equipment in operation.
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 13 May 2014 10: 54
            +1
            Quote: wanderer_032
            vehicles for serious off-road (i.e., wheeled snow and swamp vehicle, or as they are often called pneumatic vehicle). The machine has the most lightweight construction (supporting power frame made of pipes, sheathed with fiberglass).

            snow and swamp vehicles is, Cayman, 1.2.3.4 ...

            and here, Cayman, 5 and Boar, made by the way of steel and aluminum alloys,
            could well be booked !!!

            "Got" Cayman "with automatic blocking of inter-wheel differentials from the armored personnel carrier, a winch, fortunately, the increase in power turned out to be solid. Cayman has an independent suspension of all wheels on transverse swinging levers, a full set of differential locks, a propeller and a pontoon attached to the bottom, after which the car could sail Despite the foreign name, the all-terrain vehicle is a true patriot. It is assembled from parts produced only in Russia. This goal was set by its creators even during the development of the first version. According to the results of the international exhibition of four-wheel drive vehicles in France, "Cayman" turned out to be one of the most perfect. "" "
            http://portall.zp.ua/video/the-best-all-terrain-vehicle-cayman-from-russia-_-bez

            dekhod / id - 4qv6VRg6E0.html

            ,, Cayman-5, already an armored car (seaworthy) ...
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 13 May 2014 17: 02
              0
              Quote: cosmos111
              ,, Cayman-5, already an armored car (seaworthy) ...


              It’s very similar to the BRDM-1.
      2. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 13 May 2014 10: 07
        +2
        Hello to you, Andrey! hi

        I will answer you this way, these machines were developed as soon as possible and this can be seen as God's day.
        The basis of the idea of ​​their construction was laid so that these machines could be started to be manufactured in an extremely short time, with minimal start financing, hence the Zil chassis, as well as the maximum unification, with units and assemblies already available in production.
        This is the main miracle.
        If we compare these samples in terms of creation time, with the world's leading analogs from the world's largest automobile concerns (which, by the way, have not sickly technical and financial capabilities), then our "kulibins" simply made them dry. laughing
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 May 2014 10: 25
          +2
          Quote: wanderer_032
          the basis of the idea of ​​their construction, it is laid down that these machines can be started to be produced in extremely short time

          but where to rush ??? to the exhibition ???
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Zilovsky chassis, as well as maximum unification, with units and assemblies already available in production.

          ZiZ no longer exists, it was technologically advanced to use, the chassis of KamAZ and Ural, which are mass-produced and why, components and assemblies from the BTR-60 ???
          The code is now in the BTR80 / 82 series, and put the suspension from it, as the BRNM 2 was modernized (((

          here is a photo of a lumpy door, "Cleaver" 'Toros' (by the way, the version of "Toros" 4x4, on which chassis ????, obviously not a ZIL, or an armored personnel carrier 60 ..



          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 13 May 2014 11: 32
            +2
            Andrey, have you carefully read the article?
            In the end, I also carefully read about foreign customers?
            And now search for help to you, look carefully which of the world manufacturers of automotive equipment still produces under our license ZIL-130/131 (or similar cars based on it), as well as BTR-60. Good luck in this business.
            And for our security officials they will assemble from those nodes that are available with us, if necessary.
            And besides, these cars are just running models for demo shows and for running sea trials, that's all.
            That is, this is not a serial technique. wink
            1. jjj
              jjj 13 May 2014 11: 55
              +2
              Quote: wanderer_032
              who is one of the global manufacturers of automotive equipment, still produces under our license ZIL-130 / 131 (or similar cars based on it), as well as BTR-60.

              That’s all said. Yes, and about the characteristic stars an important note
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 May 2014 11: 16
          0
          Quote: wanderer_032
          starting financing, hence the Zilovsky chassis, as well as maximum unification, with

          and about the suspension, you yourself wrote that an independent suspension, with CV joints, is much more efficient than bridges and cardan drives !!!

          all over the world, there is a transition, all armored vehicles to an independent suspension, which increases tactical mobility ....

          South African firm DCD Protected Mobility armored car "Lion III".
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 13 May 2014 11: 42
            0
            Quote: cosmos111
            and about the suspension, you yourself wrote that an independent suspension, with CV joints, is much more efficient than bridges and cardan drives !!!


            Yes, I wrote and I do not refuse my words.
            But I wrote specifically on BTRam pr-va AMZ that existing drives can be replaced with drives with a constant velocity joint, instead of universal joints, because. SHRUS is less noisy, and most importantly, it vibrates less during rotation, which increases the service life of transmission components and reduces the effects of noise and vibration on people in the car.
            And about the abandonment of bridges in the construction of wheeled armored personnel carriers, I did not write. In the existing armored corps, this is simply unrealistic.
            1. ramsi
              ramsi 13 May 2014 12: 14
              +1
              I wrote about the abandonment of bridges in the APC, but for the previous-current family - yes, it’s very difficult
            2. cosmos111
              cosmos111 13 May 2014 21: 41
              0
              Quote: wanderer_032
              But I wrote specifically on the BTRam pr-va AMZ,

              but on the armored car .... independent suspension with SHRUS, more is more suitable ....

              Quote: wanderer_032
              In an existing armored vehicle, this is easy to do.

              to do armored personnel carriers, on the frame (like Patria AMV), more space in the case, with an increase in the speed and quality of repairs !!!!
          2. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 13 May 2014 12: 10
            +3
            Quote: cosmos111
            all over the world, there is a transition, all armored vehicles to an independent suspension, which increases tactical mobility ....


            But after watching this video with the French armored car, to be honest, I didn’t see a demonstration of the suspension's effective operation.
            In my opinion, it should look like this:





            Here you can really see what maFyna can. laughing yes
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 13 May 2014 20: 02
              +1
              Quote: wanderer_032
              Here it is really visible that maFyna can


              GAZ-3937 and GAZ-39371 are a highly mobile vehicle (((
              beautiful, multi-purpose modular armored vehicle !!!!!
              with replaceable modules and this, in 90's !!!!!
              in the West, and in the East, there was nothing like that ((((
              Hammer, compared to Vodnik, complete g ..... oh ....

              so that it was a supermachine, it was necessary to upgrade two things:
              1.increase the clearance of the car, with the installation of the 2-th V-shaped bottom (6-8 kg.w.t / e, would have kept and Thank God))))
              2. Door, between the cabin and the landing compartment ((((
              3.installation of the muffler .....

              how many options could there be when changing modules ...
              it’s just necessary to return to the topic Vodnik, having modernized, to begin serial production !!!!
              the best multi-purpose armored car ... we just do not .....
      3. Vlad Gore
        Vlad Gore 15 May 2014 08: 52
        +1
        Cool car "Cayman". Current, the steeper the SUV, the farther to follow the tractor. In the case of "Cayman" the problem. Where he gets, the tractor will not get. bully
  5. anykind
    anykind 13 May 2014 09: 37
    0
    Quote: cosmos111

    3. Flat, bottom, then again, when creating it was not taken into account, ANTI-SOMETHING PROTECTION !!!


    In TTX declared 6kg TNT, without a V-bottom, this is possible only with a different mass of vehicles. Where did you see the flat bottom ????
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 10: 07
      0
      Quote: anykind
      In TTX declared 6kg TNT, without a V-bottom, this is possible only with a different mass of vehicles. Where did you see the flat bottom ????

      and where did you see the V-shaped ???
      you can say anything (but screwed to the floor, chairs), they say that the explosion of 6-kg .. in t / e, did not even miscalculate ....

      "Vepr" with a V-shaped bottom ...
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 13 May 2014 14: 35
        +1
        Quote: cosmos111
        They say that undermining 6 kg .. in t / e, did not even miscalculate ....

        6 kg of explosives is enough for the crew and passengers to turn into mincemeat if the explosion occurred directly under the bottom, but there is a moment, they practically don’t make a laying in the roadway if it is not a factory PT mine (and this is a 100% defeat from elementary barotrauma).
        1. The bookmark is placed on the side of the road, which is less noticeable and there is the possibility of increasing the weight of the charge without much effort to mask it.
        2. Most modern machines for remote clearance work only directly at the rate of + -20 degrees.
        3. V-shaped bottom does not save from lateral undermining.
        And there are many such nuances. Let's remember the notorious "Lynx" as supporters of Western technology fought for it, they pointed to the bottom (by the way, made of ordinary metal), composite armor and a cool armored capsule. But in fact, this is an ordinary civilian chassis with installed armored elements without any armored capsule. The contingent in Afghanistan has no respect at all for this parody of a military off-road vehicle ... And we must remember 80% of all equipment is eliminated in the course of only combat use, with all the shortcomings revealed. A real example of "Marder" due to the incorrect location of the weld on the bottom, during the detonation of the troop compartment, a folded sheet of armor cuts off the legs of the paratroopers sitting on the left in the direction of travel. There are enough such examples, and MRAP from this is not a panacea, but a usual rise in price at the expense of functionality in most cases.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 May 2014 20: 27
          0
          Quote: Timeout
          MRAP from this is not a panacea, but the usual rise in price at the expense of functionality in most cases

          Naturally not a panacea, by loss, with the use of MRAP, decreased significantly !!!!!
          what a rise in price if all MRAPs of the first generation were on the components and assemblies of serial trucks ......
          MRAP "Puma M26", built on the components and assemblies of Indian trucks .. Indian equipment and aggregates .... TATA, in order to reduce the cost of production ...

          but the level of protection STANAG 4569: ballistic 3 and protection against landmines, 4 ...
          with the possibility of installing additional .. booking ...

          and the main question is why the South African people began to massively use MRAP in Angola in 80's ???
          if the USSR, at the same time, massively applied MRAP in Afghanistan, losses among drivers of unarmored Urals and KamAZs would be DIMINISHED !!!

          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 13 May 2014 22: 18
            +1
            MRAP Caspir Mk IV, fuel truck ....

            increases this design, the survival of the driver of the fuel truck, with the firing of shelling ??? YES increases ....
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 May 2014 23: 08
          -1
          Quote: Timeout
          3. V-shaped bottom does not save from lateral undermining.

          here vidio ..., on various types of loads, with lateral undermining, also ((((

  6. Aslan
    Aslan 13 May 2014 09: 42
    +3
    at such a pace, we will soon see an armored gazelle, KAMAZ is zil ready almost.
    1. Isum
      Isum 13 May 2014 10: 29
      +3
      Yeah there and AvtoVAZ will connect))
      1. jjj
        jjj 13 May 2014 11: 53
        +2
        On the armored "Kalina" it will be possible not to cca any ponting years
      2. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 13 May 2014 12: 42
        +1
        Quote: IZUM
        at such a pace, we will soon see an armored gazelle, KAMAZ is zil ready almost.


        Quote: IZUM
        Yeah there and AvtoVAZ will connect))


        Why not.
        Each car company can participate in the overall security contribution for the country, you just need to consider your capabilities.
        On the basis and units of "Niva" they make cash-in-transit armored cars, so why not try your luck in developing a light reconnaissance amphibious armored vehicle, for example?


        And then we already have French firms, "Panar" for example, have been grazing for a long time and want us to drive their cars into the tridoroga.
        1. 52
          52 13 May 2014 16: 33
          +1
          Well, remember the mega action movie "mirage". There are generally "Niva" hero chapters! And the grandmother, by the way, did not squeeze it out, so - "Nyushka" - an armored car!
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 May 2014 22: 28
          0
          Quote: wanderer_032
          On the basis and units of "Niva" they make cash-in-transit armored cars, so why not try your luck in development

          Quote: wanderer_032
          And then we already have French firms, "Panar"


          such armored vehicles (with a flat bottom), when undermining 6-8 kg. in t / e, are poured into pieces .....
          like Hamers in Iraq and Afghanistan
  7. Bigfoot_Sev
    Bigfoot_Sev 13 May 2014 10: 10
    +3
    some kind of horror. I stubbornly see armored cars of the revolutionary era.
    with the design here is a complete zoo. not even visual, but grocery, that is, one that borders engineering.
  8. max702
    max702 13 May 2014 10: 17
    +2
    Why is there such an engine again? that it’s 136l \ s ... if you don’t have the mind to do it yourself, then you can go to the Germans, the Japanese and bow to them to buy a powerful reliable diesel engine of the previous generation of small and medium displacement, I’m sure that at least money will be spent, but the drivers will operate and maintain the equipment prays to the creators of these units .. especially in the army Euro-0 standards.
  9. jj74
    jj74 13 May 2014 11: 05
    +2
    Handicraft negative And these rusty stretchers ..... Exhibition samples should not look like this if they don't care about the details now, what will happen if they agree on a contract?
  10. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 May 2014 11: 16
    +2
    And what does the Kamaz Typhoon series not suit? and for example the Tiger, what is the point of creating many units of unified technology? after all, these are budget funds and plus problems with maintenance and modernization.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 22: 00
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      And what does the Kamaz Typhoon series not suit?


      1.price over 1 ml .. $$$$
      2. Automatic transmission, "Allison" is the main part, on which the Americans will definitely impose an embargo !!!
      3. Timoney Technology Ltd independent suspension .. Ireland ...

      this is not a massive armored car ...
  11. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 13 May 2014 11: 25
    +4
    Typhoon is very expensive for mass production, very expensive

    And here it is!
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 13 May 2014 12: 26
      +1
      Good things are never cheap. Pushkin wrote: "You wouldn't be chasing cheap things for a pop". And especially in military affairs. People's lives are more valuable than money
  12. plastun
    plastun 13 May 2014 11: 32
    +1
    Clumsy but iron
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 11: 51
      0
      The growing interest of the armed forces of various countries of the world in armored vehicles of the MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush-Protected) class was demonstrated during the Jordanian arms exhibition SOFEX-2014 (SOFEX-2014). It is reported by the weekly "Defense News" ....
      During SOFEX-2014, Oshkosh Defense presented new versions of its off-road armored combat vehicle (AFV) of the MRAP M-ATV class. According to the statement of the chief vice-president of Oshkosh Defense, Serge Bukajan, the M-ATV armored vehicle family continues to attract interest from foreign countries.


      Serge Bukaczhan-Armenian ....
      here it is necessary, harness our Armenian allies (((
      let Armenia buy a dozen armored cars .. Oshkosh M-ATV, and we will study and release our details in .... on our technological base ...
  13. igordok
    igordok 13 May 2014 12: 38
    0
    Couple. Like BTR-152 and BTR-40. In a modernized form.
  14. Capitalist
    Capitalist 13 May 2014 12: 46
    +2
    130 horseback engine for 7 tons of mass? 7 Nuno
  15. AZ
    AZ 13 May 2014 13: 42
    +3
    KamAZ KAMAZ 43269 "Shot"
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 20: 57
      0

      The theme of the BTR 40 and 152, haunts ... engineering ..... lol

      KamAZ, BPM-97 "Shot" 6x6 .....



      find 10 fundamental differences from the theme: SBA-60K-2 "BULAT" 6x6 ....
  16. Maksim...
    Maksim... 13 May 2014 14: 41
    0
    I understand that this is a possible replacement for the "Tiger"?
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 13 May 2014 15: 14
      0
      Quote: Maxim ...
      I understand that this is a possible replacement for the "Tiger"?

      "Tiger" is an armored vehicle, but not an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle, especially an MRAP, it is in essence a replacement for the "UAZ". The "Shot" still does not have its own niche, but in theory it is the closest replacement for the BRDM.
    2. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 21: 02
      0
      Quote: Maxim ...
      I understand that this is a possible replacement for the "Tiger"?

      no it's just-DESIGN JOK crying .
  17. Free wind
    Free wind 13 May 2014 15: 25
    +3
    The face of the cleaver is very pretty. Only here is an interesting situevina obtained. Similar machines BTR 152 were already produced in the USSR to them. at the request of the military !!!!! the designers abandoned the frame structure, the armored hull was the carrier itself. This allowed to significantly increase armor protection, without increasing the mass against the frame armored car. Dear designers, use the experience of ancestors. Modernize the BTR 152 to the modern level, taking as its basis its armored hull. and it seems to me that it’s a worthwhile thing. March 24, 1950 was adopted by the BTR-152. The carrying armored corps reliably protected 2 crew members, and 15-17 motorized rifles. Boards from a machine gun fire. frontal armor did not succumb to large-caliber armor-piercing bullets. It was even fired from 45 weaves in the forehead. An armored personnel carrier failed, without damage to the crew. After the Hungarian events, the BTR-152 began to be equipped with an armored roof. The carrying armored hull turned out to be significantly cheaper and more reliable than the frame structure with hinged armor protection. Now let’s dream what it might be like now. YaMZ-650 engine, there are modifications of 500 hp Of course, not 800 hp against the Volvo but it is a force. Renovtsy seemed to promise to bring this engine to 600hp. but dont know. YaMZ-650 licensed Renovsky engine Dixie 11. So 500 hp against 130., on the 152nd. The armor is naturally increasing. The total weight with the new engine can easily be increased to 15 tons A in specially armored and up to 20 tons. Against 8-10 tons. Hodovka, bridges, I would like an independent suspension like Tatrovsky. But probably this is not real. Well, at least make the front end independent. Box, well, I want a machine. Speed, with such an engine, you can easily rush at a speed of 150 km. h Yes it remains to add that the soldiers are landing from the rear of the APC, being protected by armor. But the dashboard can and should be made beautiful. And do not unify with the T-34 tank. believe it, modern dashboards are much cheaper, and much more informative and much more reliable than army counterparts. How do you like this bronik?
  18. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 13 May 2014 16: 35
    +1
    How many types of basic are these (MBT)?
    How many schoolchildren came up with these tricky riveted-bolt records, is that a joke? Some kind of retro.
    Are these "designers"? And nothing intelligible about unification.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 13 May 2014 17: 19
      0
      In general, I’ll say this, everyone can criticize, but come up with and do not.
      If you constantly water all the dirt, then we will never have anything.
      But the GABTU needs to hold a competition to create such equipment as it was under the USSR.
      Only these contests should be as honest as possible.
      Let the best win and receive production orders.
      Only then will our army have modern, high-quality equipment.
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      2. Andriuha077
        Andriuha077 13 May 2014 20: 18
        +1
        Let them make a test batch under the announced TTX, let them say how they will roll around the test site.
        Among the characteristics - certainly about compatibility with the other manufactured fleet, the loss from the release of two brands instead of one, and where there will be decisive advantages.
        So carefully take into account all the rich countries, without taking off the last shirt.
      3. cosmos111
        cosmos111 13 May 2014 21: 12
        +1
        Quote: wanderer_032
        In general, I’ll say this, everyone can criticize, but come up with and do not.

        Sasha, I would be able to draw in 3D, I would have thought of such a thing-JOKE what !!!!

        and on the other hand, almost everything has already been invented, BEFORE US, you just need to study the history and modern developments well, EVERYTHING !!!!
        as the great Michelangelo Buonarroti used to say: "I take a stone and cut off all unnecessary" .....
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Let the best win and receive production orders.

        this is the main problem: everything is decided not by an honest tender, but by the lobby and proximity to the Kremlin (((((
        and there are thousands of talented engineers in Russia !!!!
  19. tchoni
    tchoni 13 May 2014 17: 12
    +3
    Yes, they came up with a super car again. To me, the further, the more it seems that first the warriors must determine the goals-tasks-states - and only then throw out the TK industry. And then we get this: Vasya the merchant and Petya the babkostrig sat down and decided to cut the dough on government orders - they called Vova the engineer - and they say armored candy is weak from shit. And then they push it to anyone without hitting it. Quote: "International Truck Alliance Rus (Intrall) and the Internet portal Cardesign.ru announced the start of the competition" Combat transport vehicle of the XXI century "" And then - these robots will lobby for their interests, the next "Taburetkin" will buy a batch, and the poor Zampotekh-Dima will puzzle how he has 20 company cars, of which 2 cleavers, 3 hummocks, 3 Kamaz, 4 boars, 2 shots, 1 water worker, 3 Urals, keep the UAZ and the groove in working order. And where are the spare parts, fuels and lubricants for them to get.
    On the one hand, the organization of such contests by private firms - good - allows the defense industry not to go in cycles and not to stagnate, and on the other hand, the salad described above.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 22: 42
      +2
      Quote: tchoni
      20 car companies of which 2 cleaver, 3 hummock, 3 kamaz, 4 boar, 2 shot, 1 water truck, 3 Ural, UAZ and groove

      let's separate insects from pricks (V.V. Putin)))))

      1. Freight cars and MRAP based on them, unification: single diesel engine, automatic transmission or mechanical ..., axles, wheels, rubber .....

      2.multipurpose armored cars ... "Tiger", "Vodnik" modernized BRDM-2, chassis on the units and assemblies of BTR-80, single diesel, losh ... 250, single automatic transmission .... EVERYTHING ....

      Here you are, dear, tchoni and unification !!!!! and everyone is healthy .....
      BRDM-2with suspension on BTR-80 nodes ... click ...
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 14 May 2014 09: 40
        +2
        I would agree with you if I hadn’t served in the army .... And I really don’t believe me in the unification of products from different manufacturers.
        Quote: cosmos111

        1. Freight cars and MRAP based on them, unification: single diesel engine, automatic transmission or mechanical ..., axles, wheels, rubber .....

        Who told you that? If a typhoon weighs 30 tons, an armored personnel carrier 80 -13, shot 10, - a single diesel engine? A single gearbox - yes, the VVniks will order a machine gun for themselves, paratroopers - a robot. And mechanics will also fit into the infantry! Then it will all shuffle and be cool. In addition, someone who goes on the road - one box, someone on the highway ride - another. There are many nuances.
        But I will be glad if everything is as you said and it’s enough for people of mind to maintain unification at least on the basis of units and assemblies.
  20. padonok.71
    padonok.71 13 May 2014 17: 59
    0
    Pleased with a winch of 12000 pounds. For such a passion, with such weight, laughter, and only. UAZ vomits 9000 at a time. So, by means of self-extraction - a fat minus. Although if 4, 5-10 blocks then ...
  21. Georgich
    Georgich 13 May 2014 18: 29
    +1
    Toros which with a red cross, looks like a Dodge 3 \ 4 of the second world war.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 21: 19
      0
      Quote: Georgich
      Toros which with a red cross, looks like a Dodge 3 \ 4 second world

      maybe something like that ...

      not spirits and Arabs came up with motochachki with KPVT, PTRury, DShKA ....

      here is a military photo of the Second World War
      The 12,7mm calculation of the DShK heavy machine gun on the Dodge WC-52 is ready to open fire on enemy aircraft. Pay attention to the incomplete awning, it closes only the cabin, it was often used on our Dodge

      http://www.g503.ru/info/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=920
  22. fero
    fero 13 May 2014 21: 11
    +1
    Outside, cars look pretty decent, but inside ...
    A pen

    Who will explain the thread how the "meat grinder" of the window regulator works; after 180 degrees, it will rest against the inner handle? belay or is it such a massive door-opening mechanism, but the window is not there at all? lol
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2014 21: 33
      +1
      Quote: fero
      or is it such a massive door-opening mechanism, but the window is not there at all?

      and what a lock on the door, simple from a truck ... probably from ZIL 131 ...
      blast wave, these doors will burst at ....... at least, must be closed at three points ...
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 13 May 2014 23: 01
        0
        several new world armored car projects ...
        in comparison with our "new products" ....

        MAV-L for evacuation, pilots .... summer ... winter options ...
        the armor is simply hung on the frame structure ..
        .

      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 13 May 2014 23: 13
        0
        tactical armored car "SOCOM" from, General Dynamics with the same modular armor (((

    2. Konrad157
      Konrad157 15 June 2017 12: 13
      0
      Obviously, the glass does not fall. The fact that the "meat grinder" is the drive of the castle. (the construct of the castle impressed, as in the toilet)
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  24. understudy
    understudy 13 May 2014 23: 37
    +1
    Judging by the photographs of the "novelties", the complete lack of the possibility of firing for the crew. And this is sadness.
  25. mithridate
    mithridate 14 May 2014 16: 47
    -1
    everything should be tested in real combat conditions
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 7 February 2015 12: 39
      0
      You can’t imagine a better test than sending a dozen or two of these machines, for example to the Ghost Brigade, to Donbass.
      In various versions, from the command, to the base for ATGM, AGS and KPVT (NSVS), plus sanitary, it makes it possible, instead of P142 based on gas 66, and a PS transport truck, it will immediately become clear whether they are needed or not.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 7 February 2015 12: 57
        0
        A car based on an inexpensive mass-produced truck could be offered, for example, to Syria for counter-guerrilla actions, but for the Russian army it seems to me a little "simple".
  26. Konrad157
    Konrad157 15 June 2017 12: 08
    0
    Armored Convertible?
  27. serg2108
    serg2108 2 August 2017 11: 44
    0
    I blinded him from what was, And then what was what I loved ... well, let's see what happens in the end!