Referendums in the Southeast: the majority - for independence!

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As passed "Vesti", on the night of the day, the chairman of the Central Election Commission of the Donetsk People's Republic, Roman Lyagin, said that at the last referendum 89,07% of voters had voted for the state independence of the Donetsk region. “Against” voted 10,19 %% another 0,74% of the ballots was spoiled. As for the turnout, then, according to the co-chairman of the DPR government Denis Pushilin, the final turnout in the referendum was 74,87%.

This data is likely to be updated.

Armed formations of the Kiev junta tried to prevent people's will. The head of the CEC of the Luhansk People's Republic, Alexander Malykhin, said that the Ukrainian security forces did not allow the delivery of bulletins to the Belovodsky, Markovsky, Svatovsky, Melovsky and Troitsky districts of the Lugansk region. Because of this, there was no opportunity to hold a referendum. As noted "Vesti", the Ukrainian security forces tried to interfere with the referendum in the Krasny Liman of the Donetsk region, but, having met resistance from representatives of the self-defense forces of the Donetsk People's Republic, they retreated. It is also noted that in Krasnoarmeysk representatives of the National Guard killed a civilian, seized the buildings of four schools where polling stations were located. However, here the attempts to disrupt the voting failed: the electoral committee staff were able to remove ballot boxes, subscription lists, voter lists and the seal.

Recall that in the Donetsk region the following question was put to the referendum: “Do you support the State Independence Act of the Donetsk People’s Republic?” In the Luhansk region, voters had to answer the following question: “Do you support the State Independence Act of the Luhansk People’s Republic?”

In order to avoid falsifications, they write “Vesti”, members of district commissions at polling stations checked passports of voters and checked them with lists. Police officers assisted in ensuring the security of the plebiscite.

According to the People’s Governor of Donbass, Pavel Gubarev, the result of the referendums in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions will be the creation of the Donetsk People’s Republic. And this new subjectivity is “the first step of our subject large Novorossia, the former southeastern Ukraine”. Coordinator of the Central Election Commission of the Donetsk People's Republic, co-chairman of the DPR Presidium Boris Litvinov clarified that the organizers of the referendum are planning to hold a congress of deputies of all levels of the Donetsk region and begin a “civilized divorce” with the Kiev authorities.

Meanwhile, the Kiev authorities claim that the referendums will not have any legal consequences for the territorial integrity and the structure of Ukraine. They accuse the organizers of violating Ukrainian legislation.

Therefore, the opinion of the leader of the Southeast movement Oleg Tsarev is understandable. He considers a referendum in the Donbass historical a victory for the inhabitants of the region, but I am sure that the voting results will have to be defended. “The most important question - what's next?” That is, what to do tomorrow and the day after tomorrow? First, we must defend our gains, that is, the result of a referendum. And therefore, for the period of the formation of new institutions, including the army, we hope that the militias will stay with us in order to defend our victory, ”Tsareva quoted "Vesti".


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Construction of the Lugansk and Donetsk Republics is a difficult task, Tsarev believes: “This is a difficult job that will require a lot of time and effort from a large number of people. The main task - living conditions in the Lugansk and Donetsk Republics should be better than they were before, when we fed Kiev and western Ukraine, and not worse. Therefore, after the victory, we must roll up our sleeves and plow. Together. Our strength is in unity. ”

"Russian Spring", referring to the Ukrainian TV channel 112, reports other words to Tsaryov: “Recognition of the sovereignty of these two republics makes it possible to turn to other regions of the Southeast in order for them to follow the example of Donetsk and Luhansk.” He added: “After the Odessa events, the people of the Southeast decided that they would not live with this power in one state. We have a Nazi state. ”

It is curious that the referendum was also held ... in Moscow.

Blogger remi_meisner on the site "Red Tips" writes:

“Now I have returned from Kievskaya street of the hero city of Moscow. There, citizens of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions living in the capital of the Russian Federation gathered to take part in the referendum a little. Comrades, this is indescribable. Voting took place in the house number 21 on Kievskaya street. The queue had to be taken near the house number 7. According to my estimates, there were about 6-9 thousand Ukrainians in the queue (or should we say “former Ukrainians” now?;)). Moreover, new people constantly came up, and the old ones left. All joyful, smiles from ear to ear. They waved flags with inscriptions like "Gorlovka is a Russian city", "Donetsk People's Republic", etc. Periodically, they arranged a kind of roll call: one person shouted - "Krasnodon!", Another immediately picked up - "Mariupol!", The third answered - "Donetsk!" And so on - throughout the line. Striped ribbons were distributed. The setting was like ... I don't know ... May Day demonstration from the 80s or something. I didn’t take the camera, and I don’t know how to take pictures. But Channel One reporters were rushing along the line with cameras and microphones, so the picture would be in the news.

This is very cool, comrades. I have not seen so many happy people at once, in one place.

Some citizens stuttered about the Crimea - they say, “Crimeans wanted to come to Russia just because they didn’t know how difficult and hopeless life in the Russian Federation was.” They say that Crimeans mistakenly imagined that the Russian Federation was something like the USSR. Were led, they say, to Kiselev's propaganda. And soon all of them waiting for hellish disappointment. So, in the queue at Kievskaya street were people who know life very well in Putin's RF. And, I suppose, many of them had to live in Russia in the position of illegal immigrants, which means that the guys know life in Putin’s RF from the darkest and darkest sides. Vidali, I suppose, and police lawlessness, and corruption, and other bad things. Nevertheless, these guys want to arrange "life in Russian" in their home cities ... "


Here is such a visual picture. It will tell a lot to the average man about what the corrupt and corrupt authorities have brought to the “independent”. And the current fascists, worshipers of the IMF, will probably leave one memory from the separatist.

As for the full and accurate results of the referendums in Lugansk and Donetsk, they will be announced later today, at the rally.

As transmits RIA News", the results of the referendum and the plan of further actions of the Luhansk People's Republic will be announced at the national rally on May 12. This was stated by the press secretary of the Army of the South-East Vasily Nikitin. "On Monday in 17 or 18 hours, a nationwide rally will be held where we plan to announce the official results of the referendum and discuss further actions of the Luhansk People's Republic," he said.

It is noted that in connection with information about possible provocations of members of the election commission, carrying protocols to Lugansk, is accompanied by armed guards.

And, finally, the attitude to the referendum of the Kremlin.

As transmitted ITAR-TASSVladimir Putin will formulate the attitude to the referendums on the status of Donetsk and Lugansk regions "according to their results". This was told to the newspaper "Kommersant" press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov. What exactly will be the decision of the president, "difficult to predict," he added.

The publication asked a question: will the fact that he himself asked supporters of federalization to postpone the referendum to a later date influence the position of the Russian president? A spokesman replied: “I didn’t ask, but I gave such a recommendation ... However, it was difficult to listen to it, even considering the authority of the President of the Russian Federation. Taking into account the conduct of real hostilities, residents are forced to act according to their own plan and based on the real situation. ”

Thus, Vladimir Putin is likely to speak out late tonight, waiting for the announcement of the full results of the vote in Lugansk and Donetsk. Do not miss the interesting news!

Recall in conclusion of the review that the West has repeatedly expressed earlier that it does not recognize the results of referendums in the regions of Ukraine. However, the same West does not recognize the transition of the Crimea to Russia ...

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    1. +37
      12 May 2014 10: 36
      GOOD FELLOWS !!! The next step is RUSSIA !!!
      1. +23
        12 May 2014 10: 46
        Far to Russia. Today Slavyansk was fired from howitzers. If the southeast joins the Russian Federation, then the dill troops and militants will be in our territory, which is not controlled by the FSB. Will have to fight in this case.
        1. +28
          12 May 2014 10: 56
          Quote: Interface
          Will have to fight in this case.

          Will have to enter RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPING TROOPS for counter-terrorism fight against illegal gangs. smile
          Do you really think these formations will not disappear after hearing the rumble of Russian tanks?
          They will not be able to cope with the civilian population!
          The Ukrainian regular units themselves will depart, and Bandera will carry out a murderous attack on the peacekeeping forces and die. laughing
          1. vedross
            +26
            12 May 2014 11: 08
            The referendum was held and thank God! I also think that the next step is the introduction of peacekeepers by Russia! Would rather!
            1. +41
              12 May 2014 11: 34
              "Dill have outdone themselves today.
              They prove at the same time:
              1. Referendum illegal
              2. Nobody came to him, the plots are empty.
              3. Separatists drove people to vote at gunpoint
              4. The result is falsified and the separatists throw ballots.
              5. Most voted for a united Ukraine.
              I offer the perfect title for ukroSMI:
              "Nobody came to the illegal referendum at gunpoint. The result was falsified by the separatists: the majority of votes for a united Ukraine."
              (c) Egor Kholmogorov
              1. +9
                12 May 2014 11: 48
                Quote: mejik
                "Dill have outdone themselves today.

                Yes, we in Khokhlohistan have already managed to neigh like horses over our news! Even patriots do not take them seriously, well, except for special cases, but then patients of hospitals.
                1. +8
                  12 May 2014 11: 57
                  Quote: TAMERLAN 7
                  but those are hospital patients.

                  Kiev nuthouse carries out regular reception from the Maidan. fellow
                  1. +2
                    12 May 2014 14: 57
                    And judging by the blagosphere - many believe.
                2. +10
                  12 May 2014 11: 58
                  Quote: TAMERLAN 7
                  but those are hospital patients.

                  They are all on the Censor, see fool admin saita one of the orderlies of the Kiev psychiatric hospital laughing
                  1. +4
                    12 May 2014 12: 25
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    They are all on the Censor

                    There is also a Kharkiv site, Odessa and others.
                    But you are right about the Censor - there is a majority.
                    There’s even news to read ... Petrosyan is resting
                    1. MVS
                      MVS
                      +3
                      12 May 2014 16: 57
                      Quote: Vasya
                      There’s even news to read ... Petrosyan is resting

                      And what kind of heated high-intellectual discussions there are in the comments - the news just fades and turns pale.
                  2. +7
                    12 May 2014 13: 09
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    admin saita one of the orderlies of the Kiev psychiatric hospital

                    Sasha, if the admin was a nurse then all the degenerates from Bandera had a long rest in Kashchenko, that means the admin is listed as Napoleon .. laughing Hi, hi !
                    1. +3
                      12 May 2014 14: 18
                      This is the site censor Kalomoisky!
                      Tersky hi Why can not I read an article about F-15, not in the know? I go there, and such a canoe lights up for me ..... request
                      1. +2
                        12 May 2014 14: 59
                        Yes, and to hell with it! I have the same. But besides Chrome there is Opera, and so on. I went over and read it. Google has twists
                        1. +1
                          12 May 2014 15: 03
                          I see! Thanks hi
                      2. +2
                        12 May 2014 15: 22
                        same trouble with chrome. I will try with firefox now ...
                      3. +3
                        12 May 2014 16: 29
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        I go there, and I

                        I go to the branch and the black and white Chrome and the black and white Opera, everything is fine ... request Try to clear the cache ..
                        1. +1
                          12 May 2014 16: 33
                          Understood thanks. hi
                      4. +2
                        12 May 2014 17: 21
                        click on the "advanced" button below, there is an option of the type - at your own peril and risk - and read.
                    2. +2
                      12 May 2014 15: 40
                      Quote: Tersky
                      , then the admin there is only Napoleon listed.

                      Dear man, by the way, in his circles laughing
                      Hi Vit hi
                  3. +1
                    12 May 2014 15: 20
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    They are all on the Censor, see the admin of the site, one of the orderlies of the Kiev psychiatric hospital

                    I don’t understand what they are writing about recourse they write that the southeast fulfilled the order of Moscow and everyone voted as Moscow said to them. then right next door, Moscow did not recognize the choice of the southeast.
                  4. Sleeping
                    0
                    13 May 2014 02: 34
                    no, he is the head physician))
              2. +6
                12 May 2014 16: 25
                We, Crimeans, are very familiar. The screech of banderlochs. And everything is worth the tracing. Nothing, ghouls, have not learned in two months. Even in 23 years. Insects. All of Crimea is happy for Donbass and Lugansk. Only about the referendum and speech. Not much on our own, that everything slipped so easily with us. But anyway, congratulations !!
              3. +1
                12 May 2014 19: 01
                Yeah, logic is fire! Fat instead of the brain.
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            3. 0
              12 May 2014 12: 21
              Quote: vedross
              The referendum was held and thank God! I also think that the next step is the introduction of peacekeepers by Russia! Would rather!

              He didn’t just go through. He began to turn some brains.
              Ukraine: Taxes are at the heart of the crisis (American Thinker, USA)
              http://inosmi.ru/world/20140512/220208774.html
              But about the troops you are in vain.
              They can also bring in "peacekeepers".
              I do not want to lose Uzhgorod and Poltava. And Lviv was once a center of Russophilia.
            4. _Forgiven_
              0
              12 May 2014 22: 17
              I think you can do without the introduction of troops. It is enough to provide the militia guys with weapons, and there will be enough people. There are plenty of people wishing to kick railway bandera, as well as many people who have combat experience behind their backs. They cannot take Slavyansk, they are fooling the nuts for themselves and our guys, and if you have to fight with Russia, they will bring down so quickly that they forget to put on foot wraps.
          2. +12
            12 May 2014 11: 20
            Ukrainian regular units and border posts should be pulled over to their side. One might think that the Ukrainian army is just eager to become the assistant of the fascist commissars. And if even half of the army recognizes the new republics, the junta will not last even a month. The ground under their feet will burn. And they won't hide in the west. You might think that the common people of Europe, who drank fascism, would allow them to hide at home. They will find - there are journalists, veterans of the Armed Forces and special forces all will be happy with them "by the ear and into the sun."
          3. +1
            12 May 2014 11: 33
            Quote: TAMERLAN 7
            The Ukrainian regular units themselves will depart, and Bandera will carry out a murderous attack on the peacekeeping forces and die.
            Fighting the partisans is not easy ... the losses will be significant ...
            1. +6
              12 May 2014 11: 59
              Quote: sniper
              Fighting the partisans is not easy ..

              Partisans are dangerous only on their territory. And there Bandera workers from western Ukraine work. Here in Lviv region they are really dangerous, the USSR until 1957 caught them by caches! And in the east they are strangers, nowhere to hide! Chechens were caught on their territory, but we won’t cope with the banderlogs, on their land not theirs? Guerrilla warfare must be able to, and these lads decided to earn extra money and bandit. They will see the power - they will run away.
            2. +8
              12 May 2014 12: 17
              Partisan war without the support of the local population is doomed to failure. And pretty fast.
        2. +22
          12 May 2014 10: 58
          I agree. Russia is very far away. Yes, and the possibility of entry is hard to believe. At the moment, the task is to create your own army, because The results of the referendum automatically make Ukrainian armed groups occupiers. Then the formation of parliament and the election of the legitimate president and governors.
          But all this will be under enormous pressure of Kiev and the West ... Events did not reach even the middle ...
          1. 0
            12 May 2014 11: 14
            Quote: domokl
            At the moment, the task is to create your own army, because referendum results automatically make Ukrainian armed groups occupiers

            The army must set an ultimatum. Either they go over to the side of the republic, or they are enemies, and then the battle for their land (I'm afraid this can not be avoided).
            And yet, the creation of an independent republic at the moment is almost impossible. It is more realistic to enter Russia on the basis of autonomy.
            The creation of all the verticals of power, their own bank (and what currency), and many other necessary attributes of statehood they now can not pull. But they can begin to gradually align their economies within the framework of autonomy. hi
            1. +3
              12 May 2014 11: 59
              Quote: Little Muck
              The army must set an ultimatum. Either they go to the side of the republic, or they are enemies

              Ponomarev the other day he said so.
              In Odessa, three lads heard - they went into a self-propelled gun.
          2. +8
            12 May 2014 11: 26
            Quote: domokl
            I agree. To Russia is very far

            Today, information has arrived that the United States is still strengthening, in addition to the Baltic states, its grouping in Germany, and in the future, they may (have plans) send troops into Ukraine. As soon as US troops cross the border of Ukraine, and Russian intelligence reports to the President of the Russian Federation in a timely manner, fixing the entry of NATO and US troops into Ukraine for the world community, then the entry of the Russian army will be legitimate and justified. And the fact that it will be lightning fast throughout the entire depth of Ukraine, and not in the 1,5 - 2 thousands, our former friends and partners in NATO, and now, by their very definition, our enemies, there is no need to doubt. There is one important plus in the fact that the pendos honestly admitted that Russia is their enemy, although this is far from news.
          3. 2log
            +2
            12 May 2014 14: 06
            Quote: domokl
            Then the formation of parliament and the election of the legitimate president and governors.

            There will be no presidents and governors.
            It has already been announced that the supreme power will be the Soviets of People's Deputies.
        3. +11
          12 May 2014 11: 08
          You can fight for your homeland, especially when the neighboring land is already on fire!
        4. +11
          12 May 2014 11: 08
          ... Not a fact .... With the declaration of independence of the DPR and Lugansk, it is possible to conclude agreements on mutual assistance ... Accordingly, the supply of "non-lethal" weapons ... And self-defense just lacks it ... And then we'll see how they sing gallant juntas ...
        5. +1
          12 May 2014 11: 41
          Aggression of Ukrainian impostors and self-proclaimed ones will only accelerate the process of joining the southeast to the Russian Federation. I wish it was bloodless, but it is impossible!
        6. +2
          12 May 2014 11: 42
          Quote: Interface
          Today Slavyansk was fired from howitzers.


          Yes, their gains will need to be defended. I think that for some time the Donetsk Republic will be an independent entity. With our help, of course.
        7. +1
          12 May 2014 14: 54
          Interface ... do not get carried away with "grass", the mosch turns sour. Drink from different sources. And spread panic less.
        8. 0
          12 May 2014 18: 17
          http://slavyansk-info.livejournal.com/
      2. +15
        12 May 2014 10: 57
        The next step, based on the results of the referendum, is the creation of the Federal Republic of New Russia, as part of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, a subject of international law!
        Then the creation of state and military structures of the new state, capable of upholding and protecting the sovereignty of the state under the conditions of partial occupation of Bandera Ukraine, the conclusion of international treaties on assistance and the deployment of peacekeeping forces to protect gained sovereignty, including from Russia.
        1. zzz
          zzz
          +3
          12 May 2014 11: 10
          I wonder which countries recognize the DPR? Who has thoughts, share ...
          1. +6
            12 May 2014 11: 21
            Quote: zzz
            I wonder which countries recognize the DPR?

            Recognize the DNI - run into hatred of the United States and its allies, the question is - what will it give the country that will do it? It spit in the United States and declare itself as an independent country. Only suitable for countries claiming to be the United States in the world. I don’t think anyone will want to run up. Most likely they will wait. I’m not talking about US allies - they are clear that they will not recognize. China and India will mumble something neutral, so as not to run into the United States and not to anger Russia. Maybe someone wants to show off from third countries, but their opinion in the USA is not quoted.
            1. +5
              12 May 2014 12: 03
              Quote: TAMERLAN 7
              Quote: zzz
              I wonder which countries recognize the DPR?
              Recognize the DNI - run into hatred of the United States and its allies, the question is - what will it give the country that will do it? It spit in the US and claim to be an independent country

              Russia spit on this - there is a precedent for Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea. Yes, and we have no choice.
              The question for many is clear in advance - we do not recognize the DPR, the next step will be a rollback from the Crimea.
              1. +5
                12 May 2014 12: 13
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Russia spit on this - there is a precedent for Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea. Yes, and we have no choice.
                The question for many is clear in advance - we do not recognize the DPR, the next step will be a rollback from the Crimea.

                Well, I would be frozen like a processor if Russia did not recognize the DPR! It didn't even occur to me !!! I would have thought for a week: "what would that mean?" what
          2. +2
            12 May 2014 11: 53
            Quote: zzz
            I wonder which countries recognize the DPR? Who has thoughts, share ...


            By analogy with the recognition of the annexation of Crimea, it is a separate interest to know the position of Israel.
          3. +2
            12 May 2014 11: 53
            And what does she need? They are now simply being killed, they were left with no choice, people in the South-East of Ukraine, by definition of the fascist junta in Kiev, are separatists, terrorists, rapists and "kalorado" and they have no choice but to go to the end defending their lives, the future of their children and grandchildren ...
            The main thing is that it’s not hard for Russia and Putin today
            confront GayEurope and the USA, we supported them with everything we can, our people understand today, they are fighting, including for us, since we are the next to American strategists, and recognition will come, history shows that sometimes they don’t survive
            the strongest (an example of the mighty USSR, and if only it ...), and
            strong with truth, cohesion and faith.
          4. +3
            12 May 2014 12: 09
            Quote: zzz
            I wonder which countries recognize the DPR? Who has thoughts, share ...

            The main thing is that we need this recognition! And it's time to get used to it: the policy of Russia depends and is subordinated to the People! What the People decide is the most authoritative opinion - more significant than the opinion of the "organized" world community - with all its "international institutions".
          5. 0
            12 May 2014 20: 40
            Those who recognized Crimea
            + Russia + Venezuela + LNR + Transnistria
        2. +14
          12 May 2014 11: 13
          Too long to delay entry into Russia is impossible - they will try to crush. The West will lose much of its image, they will not trample on Russia, but they can help Ukraine (for example, with money). Only Russia can protect these areas from a long and bloody civil war. Then it will be easier, Ukraine itself will crumble, but now without Russia it will be bad. While Russia acted very competently, I would even say that Putin invented a new way of waging war - "POLITE"! bully I think it will continue in the same vein!
          1. +8
            12 May 2014 11: 19
            Quote: TAMERLAN 7
            Too long to delay entry into Russia is impossible - they will try to crush. The West will lose much of its image, they will not trample on Russia, but they can help Ukraine (for example, with money).

            --------------------------
            It is not a fact that Russia will also enter ... There will be something of a buffer Russian protectorate "and they will not enter into us, and they will not survive without us" ... Time will tell, why think in advance? Now the first task is to form our own statehood and to declare the state and military presence of Ukraine on its territory illegal ...
            1. +2
              12 May 2014 13: 37
              MOTHER RUSSIA returns its territories and takes protection of its children. WELCOME HOME!
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      3. +2
        12 May 2014 11: 41
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        GOOD FELLOWS !!! The next step is RUSSIA !!!

        And God forbid, do not be afraid of your victory!
        1. +3
          12 May 2014 12: 04
          Quote: 1812 1945
          And God forbid, do not be afraid of your victory!

          We have nothing to fear in Ukraine, the civil war has begun!
          But Russia is afraid of its victory ....... ??? Somehow wild!

          This is a feature of the Russian character, first a grandmother with an ax on the head, then - to get scared and repent! No, we thought it over first, then we decided, and now we win !!! Let the US and Europe get scared!
      4. MG42
        +4
        12 May 2014 12: 01
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        GOOD FELLOWS !!! The next step is RUSSIA !!!

        Much depends on Putin here, the Crimean scenario of entering a separate region there was still influenced by the relief of the peninsula, and the Black Sea Fleet base, the strategy of entering certain regions or the entire South-East of Ukraine
        Donetsk and Lugansk regions = locomotive of New Russia
        Here’s a map of the electoral distribution of 2005, as well as 2010, the approximate level of loyalty of the population is blue, the weakest link = this is the Kherson region where most of the Selyuk agrarians live with pro-Ukrainian sentiments and Dnipropetrovsk because of the mutant Kolomoisky.
        1. MG42
          +6
          12 May 2014 12: 22
          As for those who doubt the benefit for the Russian Federation, these are areas that are not unprofitable, especially Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkov, Odessa and Lugansk as the surplus decreases to the budget. Kharkiv also has more than half of the natural gas reserves and, together with Donetsk, more than half of all proven shale gas reserves of Ukraine. Heavy engineering and military-industrial complex tied to the Russian Federation, and of course, the Odessa port and generally access to the sea.
          If Novorossia joins Russia >> then Ukraine will become land.
          Well, naturally, the GTS will reduce transit fees and deliveries will become more stable. gas in the EU
          Gas pipeline map
      5. +3
        12 May 2014 14: 01
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        GOOD FELLOWS !!! The next step is RUSSIA !!!

        unfortunately, this is the voice of one crying in the desert ... well, they decided that they were free, and again they would throw tanks and armored personnel carriers at them ...
        1. +2
          12 May 2014 14: 41
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          unfortunately, this is the voice of one crying in the desert ... well, they decided that they were free, and again they would throw tanks and armored personnel carriers at them ...

          Everything in this world stems with the help of appearances - pieces of paper, but is based only on real power. Now they have an official piece of paper that they are free. If they have real power to defend their independence (Russia will help at least informally), they will have the appearance and power to become free!
          1. 0
            12 May 2014 17: 59
            Donetsk and Lugansk should succeed: there are leaders - Gubarev and Bolotov, there are armed forces, there is a military leader - Strelkov, there is industry, resources and access to the sea, there is a very important factor - the common border with Russia and the most important unity of the people is that they do not want to live under the junta, and even legislatively fixed by referendum. The junta can not oppose them. Not everything is so simple with Dnepropetrovsk: there is no leader, and most importantly, the people are fragmented and terrorized by the Nazis
      6. +1
        12 May 2014 16: 22
        The next step is far from Russia. The next step is to unite the southeastern regions into a new state entity "NOVOROSSIYA". With the further entry into the customs and Eurasian union. The joining of the regions and the conduct of troops are expected from us by the states and the geyerop. Accordingly, BB will do everything beautifully as always.
      7. 0
        12 May 2014 20: 48
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        GOOD FELLOWS !!! The next step is RUSSIA !!!

        Alexander! Have already done! drinks
    2. +13
      12 May 2014 10: 37
      The referendum is just the beginning!
      1. +7
        12 May 2014 10: 42
        The beginning of the construction of the republic? Or the beginning of the spread of Ukraine? winked
        1. +3
          12 May 2014 10: 44
          More likely the second ...
        2. +44
          12 May 2014 10: 48
          Ukraine has outlived itself as a state, quite naturally! And what a result Kuev
          was expecting?
        3. +11
          12 May 2014 11: 00
          Quote: Igor39
          The beginning of the construction of the republic? Or the beginning of the spread of Ukraine?

          Sprawl. Bandera must understand that they are one thing, and Ukraine is something else! And Ukraine does not want to be with them. The current slogan of Ukraine: REGIONS OF UKRAINE - WE ARE CREATING!
          1. +3
            12 May 2014 11: 07
            I also think they will drive them over time to Lviv.
      2. +1
        12 May 2014 11: 10
        .... In-in ... And what's next ???
        1. +1
          12 May 2014 11: 15
          Quote: aleks 62
          .... In-in ... And what's next ???

          And then, Alaska !!!!
        2. +3
          12 May 2014 11: 33
          Quote: aleks 62
          In-in ... And what's next ???

          Facilitate a regime change in Lviv to a more neutral one. Bandera said a lot of incriminating evidence. You have to answer for the market! A witch hunt will begin with the participation of Interpol, court cases and the shooting of activists in "local fights" (Sashko has already gotten away from his own). As an option - to give it to the Poles (I personally do not like this option very much, but for Russia it is an option). Poles hate Bandera, although they pretend to be friends with Ukraine. Bandera will become their problem.
    3. +18
      12 May 2014 10: 37
      Who would doubt that! We congratulate Donetsk residents and Lugansk residents and wish them steadfastness in upholding the results of the referendum. Our support, I hope, will be more significant than before.
      1. +5
        12 May 2014 11: 02
        "2 million people in Donetsk and Lugansk voted to join the Dnipropetrovsk region." - in ukroSMI another opinion wassat , another dimension.

        Source: http: //ukranews.com/ru/news/ukraine/2014/05/12/122372

        One of the comments: "2.5 million voted at 40 polling stations - more than 60 thousand per polling station - about 5000 per hour, one and a half people per second. Probably there were fights on the approaches to the ballot boxes ..."
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      3. +2
        12 May 2014 11: 05
        We congratulate Donetsk residents and Lugansk residents and wish them steadfastness in upholding the referendum results
        ........ I am "for" just such a popular democracy! ... now Russia will have to make a difficult choice to recognize the results, the whole world is against ...... Ukrop troops on the territory of Donetsk region are now de jure - occupational, with all the consequences, the case smells of kerosene, there are still many who want to add it from over the hill
    4. +5
      12 May 2014 10: 40
      Tackled done, word for the following ...
    5. +20
      12 May 2014 10: 41
      The news shows an enthusiastic glee of people in the southeast, they cry, they say everything, the confrontation is over. But in fact, it has just begun, now there will be a decisive phase, because Kiev does not recognize the results of the referendum, and the troops simply will not withdraw. War is men, war. request Right now, Donbass and Lugansk will need Russia's help.
      1. +7
        12 May 2014 10: 58
        And now, against this background, Russia can quite legitimately render virtually any help to young states, including military! And knock the filth. hi banderlog less than a day!
        1. +4
          12 May 2014 11: 11
          Quote: rasputin17
          And beat out the filthy banderlogs in less than a day!
          The filthy Banderlog must be knocked out of Kiev, Yanukovych (the legitimate president) must be returned there, then an all-Ukrainian referendum and elections must be organized (Bandera, with their "Zapadenschina", let them return to Poland, there they were slaves of the gentry, and they will remain).
          1. +1
            12 May 2014 12: 00
            Quote: Per se.
            Foul banderlogs must be beaten out of Kiev,

            Almost unrealistic, they too hard hit the idea of ​​independence for 20 years.
            A simple example is Pavel Makarov from Dnepropetrovsk (marshal on our website), normal rural man, is ready to defend this "power" with arms in hand, for which he was banned. Shit their brains is not childish. hi
          2. 0
            12 May 2014 16: 08
            Quote: Per se.
            Foul banderlogs must be beaten out of Kiev

            My aunt lives in Kiev. Even from the USSR we were reproached that they feed us, and right now it’s only in the EU and neither.
      2. +2
        12 May 2014 15: 32
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Right now, Donbass and Lugansk will need Russia's help.

        It will be needed, but not by troops entered into their territory, but by everyone else and in any volume. We are not invaders and not invaders. You can be peacekeepers, but there everything goes so well in defense of a superior opponent. Heavy equipment will appear and everything will settle down there.
    6. +3
      12 May 2014 10: 41
      Well done Donbassians, they defended their land, not being afraid of either the junta's punishers with heavy weapons, or the Nazis from the "National Guard".
    7. +3
      12 May 2014 10: 41
      The first step has been taken! Success to the New Republics!
    8. +13
      12 May 2014 10: 43
      ... Meanwhile, the Kiev authorities argue that the referendums will not have any legal consequences for the territorial integrity and structure of Ukraine. They accuse the organizers of violating Ukrainian law ...

      If the junta with the comrade of the murder of the Berkut soldiers and the VV-shnikov on the Maidan, as well as the mass killings of Ukrainians in the Donbass and Odessa, are considered relevant to Ukrainian law, then there is no place for such an under-state in the world.
      1. +2
        12 May 2014 10: 52
        Hi Ilyich!
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        there is no place for such an under-state in the world.
        Across the ocean, a big war is needed to write off debts and save the dollar, so they will support any subhuman power in Kiev. And oil will still be added to the fire. And no matter how offensive it would be, they will do it again with the wrong hands, pitting one people. hi
        1. +4
          12 May 2014 11: 55
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Overseas need a big war to write off debts and save the dollar

          Igor, welcome! hi
          The stump is clear ... la ...
          One hope is that in the mattress there will be adequate, anti-Mccaines, who understand that they will not succeed in serving the Atlantic.
          And the Conchita-Ropeians are clear that they will be put into the first line of defense of the plutocracy, and not the citizens of Papua New Guinea.
          And we have nowhere to retreat ...
          1. +1
            12 May 2014 12: 06
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            anti-Mccaines, who understand that they will not succeed in serving the Atlantic.

            Hardly. On the leading TV channels they will be declared traitors, the media belongs to the same bankers who determine the course of US policy. And the image of the enemy (Russia) will help them to rally the "nation."
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And we have nowhere to retreat ...

            And you correctly noticed it. drinks
    9. +6
      12 May 2014 10: 44
      Fine! Now we are waiting for the entry of CSTO peacekeepers! good
    10. Alexey N
      +55
      12 May 2014 10: 44
      We are happy for the Donbass !!! We are waiting for All New Russia !!!
    11. narn
      +6
      12 May 2014 10: 44
      The final results of the referendum on the fate of Donbass will not be announced soon, said Roman Lyagin, head of the Central Election Commission of the Donetsk People's Republic. According to him, this is due to the "tense situation in the region", reports RSN
      "We only want to declare our right to self-determination. That is, after the announcement of the results of the referendum, absolutely nothing will change in the status of the Donetsk region. We will not cease to be a part of Ukraine, we will not become a part of Russia, but will only declare to the world that we want changes." , - noted Lyagin.

      ... and why yesterday all this was necessary ... what kind of performance yesterday was ... apparently I’m misunderstanding something ... what kind of secrets from people ... and after such statements, they want the junta to perceive them seriously ..
      1. Alexey N
        0
        12 May 2014 10: 58
        If Russia (Putin) does not support the Donbass, then everything was in vain.
    12. +31
      12 May 2014 10: 45
      They laid the junta on all sides laughing
    13. +36
      12 May 2014 10: 45
      Q.E.D. Well done! Keep it up!
      1. 0
        12 May 2014 11: 17
        Here is a nuance, according to ukroSMI the region is subsidized. Tk all the loot of the oligarchs goes through offshore. Now, if they can return this money to themselves, then it will be good, if not, then sadly.
    14. +3
      12 May 2014 10: 48
      The first step has been taken. Well done! There is no turning back. Now, of course, many questions will need to be addressed. I am sure. will cope.
    15. +6
      12 May 2014 10: 49
      Keep it up! Now we need to make more efforts. Kiev is a Slavic city, not fascists. Bring RUSSIA her MOTHER !!!
    16. +14
      12 May 2014 10: 50
      The people said their word and very convincingly. Now the word is for GDP ...
      If he admits, then we are waiting for a big hit on us. If he does not recognize, then it will be hard for people in Donetsk and Lugansk. The rest of the South East, then finally reconcile.
      So, whatever one may say, Putin will make history now and it all depends on his decision ...
      1. Vlad Gore
        +3
        12 May 2014 10: 56
        Run into us, harm current health. wink
      2. 0
        12 May 2014 18: 13
        Putin has no options. Regarding indecision and hope of indulgence to the West, Yanuk can tell him a lot. Now and go to him for this with the state. visit is not necessary. Putin recognizes or does not recognize the DPR and LPR, regardless of this, the West made a strategic decision to take down his power and tighten the screws on Russia, and at the same time build up the military group on our borders. Having surrendered the DPR and LPR, Putin will not gain the support of mattresses, but he will lose most of his support within Russia and the world.
    17. Roshchin
      +7
      12 May 2014 10: 53
      Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 3

      1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
      The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in New Russia is the people of New Russia, and not the Kiev or what kind of puppet junta is there.
    18. +2
      12 May 2014 10: 54
      The West has repeatedly spoken out earlier that it does not recognize the results of referenda in the regions of Ukraine. However, the same West does not recognize the transition of Crimea to Russia ...

      The West has no other option now as a universal denial of the obvious by its double standards, the violation of international law and those democratic norms, the guarantor of which he makes himself! Lies and hypocrisy now rules the West!
    19. +3
      12 May 2014 11: 01
      Yes, it is necessary to concentrate the army on the border, the Nazis will understand the hint and calm down, remember how the last time they got scared, they almost ran to Kiev. In the end, the new state may ask to send troops to protect it from the aggressor, because it is clear that they themselves and the Bandera spravyatsya.Da, and the junta voluntarily will not give up such "fat" regions in terms of income, what they will live on. This is not a beggar Lvov, whose loss will only be a blessing for Ukraine. In short, interesting times now come.
    20. +2
      12 May 2014 11: 02
      The moment of truth! But still ahead ..
    21. +2
      12 May 2014 11: 03
      Now we need to resolve the issue with the LEADER, who would unite and organize the people in the struggle for independence. The main thing is that people should not be scared.
    22. +1
      12 May 2014 11: 04
      Well done! Hang on guys, RUSSIA is with you. That's who needs to give discounts, not those who are with the junta. good drinks
    23. +8
      12 May 2014 11: 04
      After the reaction of GDP (if it is positive) .. the actions are as follows.
      1. Open the border with the Russian Federation, remove the Ukrainian border guards and customs.
      2. Ask the Russian Federation to send troops to the impossibility of punitive operations Ukrainian. gangs of formations.
      3. Creation of statehood institutions.
      4. The referendum on joining the Russian Federation.
      5. Holding ... entry ...
      6. Cheers comrades)))
      1. +4
        12 May 2014 11: 16
        1. Open the border with the Russian Federation, remove the Ukrainian border guards and customs.

        Yes, she is already full of holes)))
        2. Ask the Russian Federation to send troops to the impossibility of punitive operations Ukrainian. gangs of formations.

        What for? All by yourself, we’ll throw up weapons and instructors.
        3. Creation of statehood institutions.

        Wow, I’m going to see who the old faces come to.
        4. The referendum on joining the Russian Federation.

        Why, let them live themselves, but they will be allied to us like Belarus.
        1. +1
          12 May 2014 11: 42
          Quote: leon-iv
          All by yourself, we’ll throw up weapons and instructors.

          --------------------------
          In Artyomovsk there are only 40000 morally obsolete, but physically new barrels and 2000000 rounds each, enough for a local war with ears ...
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    24. +5
      12 May 2014 11: 07
      We are with you, hold on guys!
    25. +5
      12 May 2014 11: 09
      So clean neighing!

      The National Guard will receive 38 new Ukrainian armored personnel carriers, which were an unpleasant surprise for the Russians. VIDEO
      Arseniy Yatsenyuk brought four "Bucephalus" to our soldiers in Slavyansk. "BTR-4" is the real name of "Bucephalous".

      This is stated in the plot of TSN.Tizhden, reports Censor. NO.

      They are a 100% Ukrainian product with three principal advantages. First, this armored vehicle is unique in its technical characteristics. It can be easily modified from almost impenetrable armor to a lightweight version for fast movement. Such a metamorphosis is allowed by an innovative layout: the driver is located in front, the engine is in the middle, and the landing party is located behind. It’s much safer to go out when the enemy is firing. "Bucephalus" can fire grenades, rockets and anti-tank shells. Strikes targets on land, water and in the air.
      This car, which was immediately ranked among the elite of the world BTR market, costs only one and a half million dollars, which is 5 times cheaper than its closest European competitor. In "BTR-4" Ukrainians have completely abandoned Soviet patterns and components from Russia. Therefore, "Bucephalus" turned out to be the most unpleasant Ukrainian weapon for the military industry of its neighbors. Another 38 such armored personnel carriers will soon receive the National Guard in order to save the lives of both the soldiers and those whom they came to protect. Source: http://censor.net.ua/v284894 Source: http://censor.net.ua/v284894
      1. +6
        12 May 2014 11: 30
        Quote: avant-garde
        They are a 100% Ukrainian product with three fundamental advantages. Firstly, this armored personnel carrier is unique in its technical characteristics. It can be easily modified from virtually impenetrable armor to a lightweight version for fast movement.

        -------------------------
        Give a fool whatever, even a crystal member, he will break it and cut his hands ... The National Guard is a Congolese tribe in dealing with weapons ...
      2. old
        0
        12 May 2014 19: 36
        I have just read on the website "military materials" a note about the refusal of Indonesia to purchase 50 Ukrainian BTR-4s due to the "political situation in Ukraine" instead of them, the Indonesian Defense Ministry is buying Russian ones. BTR-3F ......
        Was it not from this party that 38 "bucephals" (who has forgotten this horse of A. Macedonsky) "presented" Yaytsenyukh to his banderologists?
        But even Russian women "will enter the burning hut and stop the galloping horse" !!! Maybe someone has a competent ally on "VO" who can compare on military-technical. What are the characteristics of our btr3f and btr4?
    26. plastun
      +3
      12 May 2014 11: 09
      The people choose, not the junta
    27. chisya
      +3
      12 May 2014 11: 10
      There are chances only as part of Russia. Donbas is now very poor. The region is subsidized. Without financial support, Russia will not survive. Or you need Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, which are able to feed Donetsk and Lugansk.
      1. Not angry
        0
        12 May 2014 11: 55
        Quote: chisya
        There are chances only as part of Russia. Donbas is now very poor. The region is subsidized. Without financial support, Russia will not survive. Or you need Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, which are able to feed Donetsk and Lugansk.


        not necessary. Russia can help them with investments.
    28. +3
      12 May 2014 11: 10
      The West does not recognize the results of the referendum. West and Crimea does not recognize! Where is Crimea now? good drinks
    29. +1
      12 May 2014 11: 13
      Recall in conclusion of the review that the West has repeatedly expressed earlier that it does not recognize the results of referendums in the regions of Ukraine. However, the same West does not recognize the transition of the Crimea to Russia ...

      So what? We recognize their deep purple. From the word Generally. Now the most important thing is to maintain power.
    30. reservev18reg
      +1
      12 May 2014 11: 15
      Comrades, do not you think that Kazakhstan wants to incite the Russian Federation? After all, Narsultan was not at the CSTO in Moscow, and at that moment he preferred to meet with the American OM
      1. Not angry
        +1
        12 May 2014 11: 59
        Quote: rezerv18reg
        Comrades, do not you think that Kazakhstan wants to incite the Russian Federation?


        Yes, and not only Kazakhstan is trying. Their goal is the Russian game is on a large mask thrown off means they will try to pull all the strings.
    31. +1
      12 May 2014 11: 20
      Referendums in the Southeast: the majority - for independence!
      Somehow I had no doubts, but what is interesting is the 7 inhabitants of these regions, about 000 - Crimea, and this is 000 people - count Belarus ... a quarter of the population of Ukraine and this is less than six months of the "junta", the result forcing to THINK ...
    32. arch_kate3
      0
      12 May 2014 11: 22
      Why is it so quiet in the states themselves? Where are the fighters of Islam?
    33. 0
      12 May 2014 11: 24
      According to ITAR-TASS, Vladimir Putin will formulate an attitude to the referenda on the status of Donetsk and Lugansk regions "based on their results."

      I do not think that troops will immediately enter the territory of the Southeast. This is what everyone is waiting for. It is not difficult to assume what will follow from NATO and what pressure will be on Russia. Everything can happen in a completely different scenario, and so far no one can say for sure what it will be ...
    34. +1
      12 May 2014 11: 27
      I am very glad that everything turned out, the conduct itself in a war is a big deal!
      I heartily congratulate the Southeast!
    35. +2
      12 May 2014 11: 30
      Yes, this is just the beginning. No Russian troops are needed! Themselves and only themselves. State apparatus, army, police, social services, finance, etc., etc. The new state of Novorossia should take place not only as part of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, but of the entire southeast! With the help of Russia, undoubtedly, but not by direct troop entry. And only then a solution to the question: independent New Russia or as part of Greater Russia.
      1. Bombardier
        0
        12 May 2014 12: 05
        I agree. and I also suggest that Putin invite Obama to Slavyansk or Lugansk to familiarize himself with the views of the people on the ground and be sure to have a bunch of press.
    36. +2
      12 May 2014 11: 31
      Recall in conclusion of the review that the West has repeatedly expressed earlier that it does not recognize the results of referendums in the regions of Ukraine. However, the same West does not recognize the transition of the Crimea to Russia ...


      We remind the West that we do not care and rub, in his position, or rather the pose, in front of Washington! We have our interests and family ties, which we, Russians, will support and protect.
    37. +5
      12 May 2014 11: 35
      Ukraine so stubbornly argued that it was not part of Russia that the Donbass heard it, and decided to return to its historical Motherland - Russia. And this is true. laughing
    38. 0
      12 May 2014 11: 59
      Everything is going well! The right way, comrades! But the path is still long and difficult. The results of the referendum are the path to the legitimacy of popular power. But this power still needs to be defended. Kiev will simply not allow such donor regions to leave under its influence. The areas should be combined, and not be separated from each other. In unity is power. Other regions of Ukraine who do not want to live under the junta should follow your example. Build your own power structures and give an active rebuff to Kiev.
    39. chisya
      0
      12 May 2014 12: 01
      Quote: Not evil
      not necessary. Russia can help them with investments.


      Investing is a business. And the business of Russia and Ukraine is west-oriented. Forks, cottages, education for children abroad, etc. And they are not in a hurry to invest money in the same Crimea. Not to mention obscure areas of uncertain status
    40. +1
      12 May 2014 12: 02
      About those who do not yet "believe" the Ukrainian media about the war
      http://news.liga.net/articles/politics/1658614-vtorzhenie_v_ukrainu_poslednie_so

      bytiya_v_donbasse_i_krymu.htm
      Chronicle of "Russia's invasion of Ukraine"
      In a referendum, sparingly but somewhere true.
      http://www.segodnya.ua/regions/donetsk/referendum-v-donecke-avtomaty-mechty-o-ko

      nfederacii-i-palatka-dlya-vseh-pod-oga-519502.html
      Well, the Chief of Maidan tea
      http://ru.tsn.ua/video/video-novini/na-referendum-v-donecke-idete-preimuschestve

      nno-storonniki-separatistov.html
      As for subsidies, yes - The mining business is subsidized ...
      But the Luhansk region and Kharkov (the first after Kiev makes a significant contribution to the Ukrainian GDP and the second from Zaporizhzhya - machine-building centers)
      And then they could not hold ..
      1. +3
        12 May 2014 12: 15
        Quote: Cristall
        As for subsidies, yes - The mining business is subsidized ...

        The question must be posed differently:
        - What energy sources remain in the Ruin in the absence of gas from Russia and coal from the Donbass?
        The issue of subsidies balances on the verge of economics and politics.
    41. -2
      12 May 2014 12: 02
      Ukraine at a given moment is somewhat reminiscent of Poland in 1939 where Hitler and Stalin shared Poland only now the United States and Russia share Ukraine feel
      1. +2
        12 May 2014 12: 34
        Poland is divided every 100 years, this time it found a scapegoat lol
      2. +3
        12 May 2014 15: 36
        Quote: maksim_nurlat
        Ukraine at a given moment is somewhat reminiscent of Poland in 1939 where Hitler and Stalin shared Poland only now the United States and Russia share Ukraine

        Ukraine has always been and will be divided. You have to pay for stupidity. Judge for yourself: after the collapse of the USSR, the fools got a huge Ukraine (the second most powerful republic in the USSR after Russia), it would seem that this is Ukrainian happiness (mova, flag, coat of arms, anthem, wide trousers, bacon, etc.) and what? They plundered what was, made unfinished oligarchs, who were so brutal that they make toilets out of gold, people have no work, no prospects, and to top it all off, they dominated themselves to fascism and threats to kill Russian-speakers. Would these Bandera have won in normal elections - legitimate? NO! That's why they staged a coup! An idiotic situation - the country is scrambling from the government, which has not legally come to power, instead of overthrowing it! They shuffle like lepers, instead of shoving them where they crawled out on us. The Ukrainian approach is "my hut is on the edge, I see and I see".
    42. 0
      12 May 2014 12: 13
      Quote: avant-garde
      Modify from virtually impenetrable armor to a lightweight option for quick movement

      those. or armor or escape on leh'ke? or how or what?
      It’s interesting to feel it ... from an anti-tank gun.
      Exclusively for peaceful curious purposes, well, measure the speed of running of banderlogs.
      A sort of starting anti-tank pistol for passing the standards of the TRP.
      Something whispers in my ear that this is akin to 0% turnout.
    43. +15
      12 May 2014 12: 16
      Congratulations!
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    45. Ruslan 56
      +4
      12 May 2014 12: 26
      That's right)
    46. +5
      12 May 2014 12: 27
      I would like to advise some too zealous comrades. It is not necessary that all triumphs follow. Oh victory, how far. Just in the chronicle of what is happening, another stage is completed. The development of events is becoming increasingly unpredictable. Supporters to take the South-East of Ukraine to Russia, I would like to ask one question. Are you ready to give up all the benefits of a quiet life, the country's transition to a military economy, get a minimum of working to the maximum, If necessary, give your life for your homeland? When you answer all these questions in the affirmative, then the GDP will think how to fight the United States. Sincerely.
      1. MG42
        +1
        12 May 2014 12: 34
        Quote: suharev-52
        then GDP will think how to fight the USA.

        Because of Ukraine, the 3rd world will not be enough to analyze the statements of leading politicians of the EU, USA and NATO leaders.
        Only economic sanctions threaten, this is the maximum, and then the Europeans are tired of bending to the United States and losing profitable contracts, for example, a couple of French Mistrals for Russia, this is money. As for Germany, the gas issue is sensitive and Gazprom has leverage.
      2. Bombardier
        0
        12 May 2014 12: 36
        I agree, the question is extremely complicated! Need to think. And it’s not standard to think!
    47. +1
      12 May 2014 12: 34
      Here, after all, Akhmetov from the Donbas poured 20 billion to himself, plus his "assistants" are not poor people. If there is no nationalization, then everything will remain so. Akhmetov and his relatives will rob the people, subsidies for the support of pants were sent from Kiev by Yanukovych. Now this will not happen, that is, the robbery will remain, and now Russia will have to provide assistance, this is about 2-4 billion a year. The current rulers of Novorossia apparently do not have enough spirit to nationalize the largest enterprises, and whoever has enough, Akhmetkin will give a couple of dump trucks of money. In general, separating is not the most difficult thing that Donbas had to endure, now a struggle for power and money will begin, there is something to share, and all this against the backdrop of a war.
    48. 0
      12 May 2014 12: 45
      Quote: mejik
      "Nobody came to the illegal referendum at gunpoint. The result was falsified by the separatists: the majority of votes for a united Ukraine."

      And after the vote, the separatist terrorists staged a witch coven near the polling station with the burning of a voodoo doll and eating babies. Rave...
    49. +1
      12 May 2014 12: 47
      It happened! Donetsk Republic of Free Citizens! After the official procedure for the recognition of the Republic, there are good reasons for official assistance to Russia. Further, it will be possible to restore transport links and economic ties. Yes, I suppose the Donetsk Republic has no debts and gas will be, unlike the debtors of the Ukrainians;) and the States should not.
    50. +1
      12 May 2014 12: 49
      Well done, keep it up !!!
    51. +1
      12 May 2014 12: 59
      Quote: TAMERLAN 7
      GOOD FELLOWS !!! The next step is RUSSIA !!!

      The next step is Kharkov and other regions of Novorossiya. Odessa is under occupation and is waiting for liberators. It's too early to go home.
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    53. +1
      12 May 2014 13: 44
      Quote: serega.fedotov
      Quote: aleks 62
      .... In-in ... And what's next ???

      And then, Alaska !!!!

      Sir.
    54. +9
      12 May 2014 13: 45
      And they don't like them here
    55. +4
      12 May 2014 13: 54
      Now it is possible to organize a military coup in Kuev... After holding similar referendums throughout Ukraine, as a result of which Nenka will become a federation with its capital in Donetsk, Lvov can calmly go to all fours and survive due to tours for European tolerants to the homeland of Masoch.
      1. tokin1959
        0
        12 May 2014 14: 27
        We must first defend these two areas.
        when the troops who are carrying out the ATO are kicked out and their equipment is taken away or destroyed, when there is no threat of a Pravosekov coup, then we can deal with other areas.
        but Ukraine still needs to be divided into parts independent of each other - two or three.
        or over time, Novorossiya will be annexed to the Russian Federation as a federal district or republic. otherwise, after a while the Nazis will try to take revenge.
        The Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic already existed. And it was annexed to Ukraine, so that there would be no separatist sentiments in Ukraine.
        but it turned out the other way around. Ukrainians are now shouting - this is ours, and it has always been ours.
        The anti-Russian project of Ukraine must end its existence.
    56. 0
      12 May 2014 14: 09
      Well done - they didn’t screw up like Odessa. The truth is always the TRUTH.
    57. -3
      12 May 2014 14: 23
      Quote: chunga-changa

      Now the struggle for power and money will begin, there is something to share, and all this against the backdrop of war.

      I read on Censor.net the reasoning of a soldier wounded in the finger about the war: *WOUNDED IN SLAVYANSK SOLDIER..* To understand who is fighting in the Donbass, you have to live in the Donbass. You need to have an idea of ​​what Lugansk, Slavyansk and so on are. I'll explain to you.
      Since the 90s, the ideology of thieves' power has been formed in the Lugansk region. The vertical is as follows: local deputies, police and crime. And there is crime there - every second one. Go to any prison. Who's sitting? Lugansk, Donetsk regions. What is he sitting for? Yes, even for an aluminum basin. He came out, he is already a criminal element. What will he do next? Of course, “business” in quotes. And the conditions are simple: if you want to sell drugs, sell them; if you want weapons, please do so. The main thing is to give the cops and officials their share. This time.
      Second: coal. Illegal mining and trade. Anthracite coal, have you heard of this? Top quality, buried with access to the surface. Dig - I don't want to. Free smuggling. ZILs were transported to the Rostov region. Supplies have been arranged and arrangements have been made with customs. Everyone has their own share. It's a system, you know? This is a state within a state. And they will fight for this “state” of theirs. Not for Russia, not for Putin. And for the opportunity to live the way they are used to living. Outlaw. Source: HttP://censor.net.ua/r284892 I think that there is no need to fight for such a Donbass, let the people figure it out themselves. And to help defend against the Nazis - why not help.
      1. +4
        12 May 2014 16: 26
        Quote: vetlan19
        To understand who is fighting in Donbass, you have to live in Donbass.

        Where is the ideal and 100% legal society now? We need to remember our 90s, but little by little things have gotten better. Not everything at once, my friend, and Moscow was not built at once.
    58. +5
      12 May 2014 14: 38
      We are waiting for the next update, I hope not for long...
      There are still errors on the map... smile
    59. +7
      12 May 2014 15: 12
                
      1. +1
        12 May 2014 15: 49
        Ha ha laughing fool oh they lied
    60. +2
      12 May 2014 15: 34
      We are the Soldier!!! I do not recognize the opinion of the West and the USA!!!!!!!!!! laughing laughing laughing Who is there, an individual like a star of gay vision? We are the Men!!!! laughing laughing wassat
      1. ..Dmitry..
        0
        12 May 2014 17: 59
        Fuck us! - extra space
    61. +2
      12 May 2014 15: 54
      The whole world had the opportunity to observe what and how happened in these two areas. And this is what happened - people went and voted, and in droves. One can argue that this is not all, that the calculation was not entirely correct, and so on..... But there is an indisputable fact: a very large part of the population of two rather large regions voted for state sovereignty. That is, we will have to admit the obvious fact - the people of Donbass are fighting for their independence. And the peoples fighting for independence, according to the UN Charter, already have some rights, in the first place they are the subject of international law. We have to reckon with them, we need to negotiate with them, and without them we can’t. And so on. It is no coincidence that the Kiev junta did its best to prevent the referendum. It would seem, why worry, because he is not recognized? But the armed forces launched operations, with the participation of armored vehicles, to seize polling stations. In the end, there were killed and wounded. Now the Kyiv junta can already be written without quotation marks; it has confirmed its dictatorial and anti-people character. It is already possible to judge in The Hague. But there is a question that is common in such situations - “What’s next?” And then, I’m afraid, a war of independence awaits the southeast. How the United States fought with Great Britain for its independence. Moreover, on exactly the same legal grounds - London did not recognize the sovereignty of the colonies, and they wanted to be “states,” that is, sovereign states. And we, Russia, I remember, then helped the states, first by Catherine the Great, who proclaimed a policy of armed neutrality, and then by Alexander II, who sent two Russian squadrons, under the command of admirals Lesovsky and Popov, to help the young state. We should remind them of this.
    62. 0
      12 May 2014 16: 24
      Happy Victory to you, dear ones! Well done! No step back!
    63. +4
      12 May 2014 16: 37
      Shakhtar Donetsk will now play in the RFPL?;) this is great, citizens!
    64. +4
      12 May 2014 16: 38
      We are waiting for Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye!
    65. Serg7281
      +2
      12 May 2014 17: 03
      Now it is necessary for the newly created Republics to conclude agreements on mutual assistance and support with the PMR, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Then, legally, these Republics will be able to provide their armed forces to repel the attacks of the fascist junta.
    66. +1
      12 May 2014 17: 49
      Quote: Vasya
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      They are all on the Censor

      There is also a Kharkiv site, Odessa and others.
      But you are right about the Censor - there is a majority.
      There’s even news to read ... Petrosyan is resting

      +100000 And the bans are generally terrible. It seems like some evil idiots have gathered together. I have never seen so much dirt before.
    67. +2
      12 May 2014 17: 53
      Quote: TAMERLAN 7
      GOOD FELLOWS !!! The next step is RUSSIA !!!
    68. +1
      12 May 2014 17: 57
      Congratulations on the beginning of real political changes in the South-East region.
    69. +1
      12 May 2014 18: 01
      The West has repeatedly expressed previously that it does not recognize the results of referendums in the regions of Ukraine

      They are in vain. An unrecognized republic cannot be saddled with a debt; it cannot be given a loan. What is the West going to live for if the main sources of their income do not work in the territory with a mass of large producers, and where they can live there are sad little villagers who will never return the money.
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    71. narn
      0
      12 May 2014 19: 13
      In the Zhytomyr region (in northwestern Ukraine), one hundred servicemen, called up during partial mobilization, escaped from two military units. Their names were published on the website of the Zhytomyr City Council on May 12.

      “In a difficult military-political situation, at a time when the fate of Ukraine is being decided, these servicemen left the military units without permission, thereby showing their indifference to the current situation in the state,” the message says.

      ...that's it...patriotism in the Ukrainian army is over...))
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    73. +1
      12 May 2014 19: 16

      Request from the DPR to become part of the Russian Federation!
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    75. Prjanik
      0
      12 May 2014 19: 28
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sng0z3l_0gA
      What I like about communists is their straightforwardness.
    76. 0
      12 May 2014 19: 39
      Hurray! Happy Victory to you! Sovereign republics of the DPR and the Lugansk People's Republic! Hurray!
    77. reservev18reg
      +1
      12 May 2014 19: 44
      They were in a HUGE hurry with this. Now Putin is risking the lives of many Russians by answering yes. and falls down answering no
      1. reservev18reg
        0
        12 May 2014 20: 05
        SPECIALLY ON RUSSIA24 BECAUSE IN SUCH A CASE THIS SHOULD BE THE MAIN NEWS - BUT THERE IS NOT A WORD ABOUT THIS YET. so the Crimean scenario no longer works here. I’ll wait another 2 hours, maybe the news will reach the 1st line of the main channels
    78. NEMO7
      +1
      12 May 2014 20: 09
      ATTENTION ACTION wassat
    79. +2
      12 May 2014 20: 09
      Tymoshenko, after watching the Eurovision final, decided to grow a beard to win the elections
    80. reservev18reg
      0
      12 May 2014 20: 11
      People's militias near Slavyansk attacked the bases of the National Guard and the Right Sector. Representatives of the headquarters of the self-defense command claim that the security forces and nationalists who had previously shot civilians at checkpoints near Bybasovka, Rybkhoz, Krestishchi and the Feed Mill came under attack.

      As a LifeNews correspondent reports from the scene, the militia used a 120-mm caliber self-propelled artillery gun (NONA) and an airborne combat vehicle (BMD). According to the militia, they were able to discover the bases of the National Guard and the Right Sector thanks to intelligence. Warehouses containing weapons and ammunition were fired upon.

      The militia said that they carried out two attacks: at 04:44 they fired at a base near Karachun, and at 14:00 - near the Feed Mill. At the first base, the self-defense forces discovered two batteries of D-30 howitzers, two mortar batteries, one Grad battery (4 installations), two batteries of self-propelled artillery units (self-propelled guns). The second base contained two 120mm mortars, four armored personnel carriers, heavy machine guns and two platoons of soldiers.

      “The enemy is demoralized and has suffered significant losses in manpower and equipment,” said a representative of the headquarters of the Slavyansk self-defense command. “Previously, these soldiers and militants attacked our checkpoints and killed civilians.

      LifeNews reported on the possible use of artillery by the new Ukrainian authorities. Kyiv denied the location of the Grad system near Slavyansk.

      THIS IS GOOD NEWS
    81. +6
      12 May 2014 21: 16
      Quote: mejik
      "Dill have outdone themselves today.
      They prove at the same time:
      1. Referendum illegal
      2. Nobody came to him, the plots are empty.
      3. Separatists drove people to vote at gunpoint
      4. The result is falsified and the separatists throw ballots.
      5. Most voted for a united Ukraine.
      I offer the perfect title for ukroSMI:
      "Nobody came to the illegal referendum at gunpoint. The result was falsified by the separatists: the majority of votes for a united Ukraine."
      (c) Egor Kholmogorov

      With such nonsense, a candidate for preziki PАРАSHENKO spoke
    82. 0
      12 May 2014 21: 18
      Bravo! Long live the DPR!!! Forward, Lugansk! Forward, Donbass!

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