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War Arguments



Good afternoon dear friends. This is my first attempt at writing on this site, although I have been sitting on it for quite some time. Boiling hot.

Recently, a lot of articles about Ukraine. And everything is told about the war, what is happening, people are happy if “ours” win, scold the “junta”, sympathize. About Syria - one article per week. But there is also a war, the same interests of the stars and stripes, constant victims. I do not argue - Assad done, expels the opposition from the territory of the country, fighting with it. Chops off the head. And from them grow new.

What is the beginning, you ask. I will answer easily and simply - paying attention to one thing, we will definitely lose sight of the other. What is information war in general? An ordinary war is a conflict of interest, when two forces collide, one of which must be morally and physically victorious. The more power, the more other countries may become interested in the conflict and add their contribution to this conflict. In ordinary war, we notice weapon, we notice the soldiers, people fight for their point of view, shed blood.

The 21 information war of the century is a war of politics, journalism and capital. Who has more green pieces of paper, he won. Who brings the "truth" to the masses, he won. Who has a great influence, he won.

And, sadly, noting this, we have to say that we are losing this war.
Yes, Putin in 2013 year well done. And the same conflict over Snowden, and the same Syrian conflict ... But everything is not that.

Snowden was a bait that we essentially pecked at. We were led into a war in which we are far from the first place. No one had any questions about the fact that the Americans no longer even hide their long paws, which stretched to Ukraine? Everyone knows the truth, and everyone is still silent. Masks have already been removed, and conflicts are coming. All each other cover so that the end and the edges of this familiarity is not visible. All are silent, all suffer. I mean, of course, Europe. It is disadvantageous for her conflict with Russia, she has a whole market tied to it. But the Americans are good, they have a whole mainland separate. And they are all as individual and individual as the owners of iPhones.

I will return to the topic of conversation. Why does Russia lose every step? The first thing that catches your eye is our opponent (I think no one doubts who it is and why). Everything is too easy, everything is too mock, everything is too ... simple. When you sit at the chessboard with a monkey that just sits and grimaces, you will smile and assume that you will win. But if a monkey suddenly changes its face to the harsh and collected, and it makes you do it in three turns, since you have greatly relaxed - this is already fail, as expressed in America.

What essentially happened?

First: Hello, Snowden, we will protect you from evil and terrible brethren. The world is in shock, Russia turned out to be humane and kind, the Americans - Evil.

The second: Hello, Syria, we will protect you from the evil and terrible Americans. The world rejoices, Russia is once again a peacemaker, the States are shabby creatures.

Third: Hello, Ukraine, we ... We will protect you from ourselves. The world is indignant, Russia has chopped off half the country, America has nothing to do with it.

What a twist! And after all, our national victories in the international arena are nothing more than puff. Well, Sochi-2014 was great, I myself was a volunteer at the organization of the Olympic flame, for me it was a pride that our country would hold such an event, though with great skepticism, it was at the beginning. Aha, great, everything is over, everything is forgotten already - let's welcome Eurovision. And who is winning there? A woman with a beard (or a man with a breast, I never figured it out) Conchita Würst. Liberal Europe rejoices, everyone else is shocked. The bearded Conchita Sausage ("Wurst" translates this way) easily bypassed everyone, even the democratized Ukraine, which was in the 6 place. There is success and glory, and what lies under the crust? “We gave you the opportunity to hold the Olympiad according to your rules, but otherwise you still cannot beat us in the information war. You cannot show the triumph of your ideas on the screen to many people to accept them. You still lag behind us ".

I remember very well how everyone at “VO” rejoiced in victory in Sochi. And why no one comments on the performance of our girls? The Tolmachevs performed very well :) Of course, everything is in the same style as various singers usually perform, but the girls at least tried. But many do not even call them by name - everyone looks at Ukraine. Once. Why not News about Syria, because the war is not over there yet? Once, we look at Ukraine. In the United States, a tornado passed, which claimed many lives - so what, it’s the enemy, it must be destroyed.

Correctly they say - won the battle, but did not win the war. We need to think now - are we playing according to the rules? Maybe we are told that we play chess, although in reality these are cards? To win the information war, we must destroy the source of other people's information, and not try to crush their own. Otherwise, it translates into "You are a fool - no, you are a fool" at the global level. Agree, not a very funny trend.

P. S. I'm only 20 years old, I am, in the opinion of many, a teenager. But it so happened that I had already served and was learning ... I don’t know, maybe my opinion is wrong, but it seems to me that we are missing something very much. We are distracted by one from the other. It is wrong. I am pleased to read your comments on this topic. I can be wrong, like all people. And yes, Roman Nosikov, I really liked reading your article, even though she had no particular idea. But in some ways you pushed me to write my own article.
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  1. Michael_59
    Michael_59 12 May 2014 17: 50
    +40
    I do not comment on Eurovision because I have not watched for a long time. A bloated show with opaque ratings. You shouldn't even try to compare with the Olympics.
    And the present being in the victors is only confirmation of this, a symbol of a degenerate civilization ...

    We are, of course, distracted. And we (we are), for the most part, are distracted.
    And those who decide (rule) are unlikely. Everyone would be so distracted as the current leadership of Russia, thanks to which for the first time in many decades we have a major geopolitical victory.

    And the trap is not indignant, she, excuse me, is already just cursing. Nobody likes a strong neighbor (and this is us - we get up from our knees), nobody likes to live in an era of change (and we are making changes here and now) ...

    The world has changed. The West was waiting for all of us to end, and suddenly we were just "beginning" ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 May 2014 18: 01
      +17
      God bless him, with Eurovision, the author pushed the right idea, we are still losing - the beginning war on our border, mind you, not on our initiative as an example. Even if we expand our borders along the Dnieper, the global victory will be controversial, because our neighbors will be "friends" more abruptly than the Poles.
      1. Roman1970
        Roman1970 12 May 2014 19: 19
        +6
        Poles still crawl out ... Recall at least the "Home Army" ... And somehow strange ... Hitler spread rot on Poles in the camps, and now the Germans are friends!
        Even Pushkin wrote:
        For a long time among themselves
        These tribes are at war;
        More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
        Theirs, then our side.
        Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
        Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
        Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
        Will it run dry? here is the question.
        1. jktu66
          jktu66 13 May 2014 00: 59
          +2
          Hitler Poles spread rot in the camps, and now the Germans are friends!
          Pogs crawl in front of the German, walk on their hind legs. And I am surprised. Although they also have brainwashing in full swing. Grains of Russophobia fell on fertile soil in Poland and Ukraine.
        2. stasimar
          stasimar 13 May 2014 09: 13
          0
          Germans despise Poles, call them "white slaves". and the economy in Poland is 75% German.
      2. shiplover100
        shiplover100 12 May 2014 22: 21
        +1
        Ah, we have a choice ?!
        1. AVV
          AVV 13 May 2014 00: 31
          +5
          Quote: shiplover100
          Ah, we have a choice ?!

          If the West is not given enough money now, then the raids on our territory, the Zapadensky seniors will only intensify, and the West will become insolent, will deploy its bases throughout the whole square, because he understands only power !!!
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    2. SS68SS
      SS68SS 12 May 2014 18: 11
      +1
      Quote: Michael_59
      Everyone would be so distracted as the current leadership of Russia.


      Well, some are still "distracted" and flirt ... That's why the pike is in the river, so that the crucian does not doze ...

      It's just a pity that they usually have either immunity or "paw" ...
      1. Ased
        Ased 12 May 2014 18: 25
        0
        By the way, it would not be bad to raise Eurovision and hold the next (as a victorious country) in Sochi. Everything is ready there.
        I myself don’t watch it myself, but an advanced wife explained that it was not talent that won, but epotage and window dressing.
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 12 May 2014 21: 02
          +2
          There politics wins. Ukraine and Georgia do not vote for ours. It is better to vote for a girl with a beard.
          1. soyuz-nik
            soyuz-nik 12 May 2014 21: 26
            +2
            Hello! As far as I remember, recently there was some scandal at the Eurovision with a vote count. The factors of shocking, politics, historical hostility, money, etc. It is not necessary to exclude, but again, recently at the Eurovision Song Contest, a Norwegian won - a guy of Russian descent with an unpretentious sweet melody. I think that, after all, such unpretentious motifs in the era of consumption will be hits (hits), that is, IMHO, the key factor is the motive hit.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 13 May 2014 02: 14
          +3
          Quote: ASed
          I am pleased to read your comments on this topic.

          The article is interesting, there are controversial moments. So our national victories are NOT FUCK!
          We lose in the information war and with the help of the fifth column and their voluntary assistants who do not understand the realities of the modern struggle. Our geopolitical enemy has developed and perfected the methods of informational and ideological war for decades. And he did not spare money for it.
          R. Nixon during one of his speeches said that he considers 1 dollar invested in propaganda and information more valuable than 10 dollars invested in the creation of weapons systems, because the latter is unlikely to be ever used at the time how information works hourly and everywhere.
          There are young people with an active lifestyle. From me, plus.
    3. kocclissi
      kocclissi 12 May 2014 18: 30
      +7
      Quote: Michael_59
      But the trap is not indignant, she, excuse me, is just

      And then suddenly:
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 12 May 2014 19: 24
      +12
      Quote: Michael_59
      We are, of course, distracted.

      But, dear Alexander, you should not bring everything together. Especially geyropovideniya, Snowden and actions in Ukraine. These are completely different events in their meaning.
      This time. Second, like this: "To win the information war, we must destroy the source of someone else's information, and not try to crush our own."
      Set fire to publishing houses in the US and Europe? Or crush with a nuclear strike, or what?
      This "source" cannot be destroyed in peacetime, and even in wartime "you cannot put a scarf on every mouth" yes
      But this does not have to be done!
      Agitation and propaganda are important things, but they are most important within their own country.
      And nothing can be achieved with one naked, and even false propaganda.
      For example, if Washington hadn’t helped organizationally with banderlog money, no propaganda would have helped to drop even such a limp thief as Yanukovych.
      And you want to shout down the West. Or force them to stop lying (although there are honest journalists there too), which, in essence, is the same thing. Of course, we must try to convey the truth to both the European and the Amer ordinary people. It is important.
      But "chess" is needed here different - the dog barks, and the caravan moves on. In the right direction. wink
      And for this to happen, apart from information battles, it is necessary to strengthen the "allies" (according to Alexander III) and make our economy self-sufficient.
      1. soyuz-nik
        soyuz-nik 12 May 2014 22: 06
        +2
        Unfortunately, the following circumstances (at least) cannot be discounted: (A) there is not much desire to seek and perceive the truth among the mass consumer consciousness, and (B) the property of the human psyche is unwillingness to admit wrong (example: Western hysteria about Yu. Ossetia and Abkhazia in 2008).

        Some components of the "world chess game" are long-term, and the advancement of its worldview at the global level for every self-respecting power claiming the "title" of a center of power (or positioning itself as such), including for the Russian Federation, is also a long-term matter.

        I agree with you that Russia's development of its (A) economy and (B) army and navy is the foundation for such a "long game" for Russia, and the stronger the economy and the Russian army, the stronger its "breather" at this distance.

        About a month ago, D. Kiselyov told RTR that the Russian Federation would develop its global information network. Let’s hope that this project will work and Russia will be able to reach out to the swimmers who have swam and dumbed!
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 12 May 2014 20: 54
      +2
      I will say this, do not break your head in vain trying to "spy on the card of the player sitting opposite."

      We know the purpose of the West and the USA, but we do not know their future moves. And we don’t know. Will not work! one must act on a hunch. Sixth Sense.

      Schumacher is not a good racer because he knows what the car consists of, a sharpshooter does not because he knows the design of the rifle, they both do not create these devices, but they are cleverly controlled.

      Not Putin created Russia, but he controls it well. He was born for this role! some of you are military, some are doctors, some are shoemakers. Collapse will come when you switch roles and try to do the work of a colleague. You do not have a shoemaker now in the lead to doubt his actions.

      I do not think that the current "players" with whom Putin sat down to play will be able to outplay him. He has intelligence, experience and ... luck (purpose).

      There is a purpose of the country, there is a purpose of people, for example, those who create live for a long time so that their creation sees the World, all sodomes do not really because they destroy the balance of the universe, and to regulate this there is such a thing as luck, coincidence, chance (look at YouTube a lot of videos on good luck topic).

      Good luck or a miracle, a mission can be described in this way - an incredible combination of circumstances in such a way when an event of rare uniqueness occurs, not contradicting the laws of physics. I will give only a few well-known events:

      The harsh winter of 1812, which came so early and so fiercely that happens very rarely (I’m not detracting from the heroism of the Russian troops, is simply a fact), then the typhoon ruined the army of the Kublai Khan of the Mongol who wanted to conquer Japan, and two campaigns ran into the typhoon of fierce rage, that salvation did not have. Also Napoleon’s campaign in Egypt, somehow Bonaparte managed to avoid meeting with Nelson, it did not depend on him. Magellan, the seafarer who made the first round-the-world trip, who had never met a storm while sailing in the Pacific Ocean, and called it quiet. And so on, there are many examples of incredible occasions. They are united by one thing - destination.

      Summing up, I will conclude that when you fight for a just cause, luck will accompany, as it was in 1945. Good always triumphs over evil.
    6. Sasha1979
      Sasha1979 13 May 2014 01: 22
      +2
      Hooked in the article the word "distract". Not quite, but rather "pulling away" in different directions, striking in different places. Relying on the lack of resources in our country, in general, is not the worst calculation. But Russia responds as it is within its capabilities. If you cannot win everywhere, you must win where it is important. And to win quickly both in Ukraine and in Syria is beyond the economic and military capabilities, considering who is opposing us. And demographic, to put it bluntly. The quality of the population in Russia leaves much to be desired. Leaves strongly.
  2. evgenii67
    evgenii67 12 May 2014 17: 57
    +11
    I would put the article "-", but since the first one and the author was only 20 years old put "+", everything is in one heap, there is no need to compare the Olympics and this carbon monoxide Eurovision, which can be taken seriously well, who, about the information war, understand dear the author, all (the media) piss in everyone's ears, the question is that someone is pissing professionally, and who is not very good (but this is a long story), you just need to correctly select (filter) information, that's all, but that someone, somewhere it blathers, and let it be, I won't become weaker from this, like you ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 May 2014 18: 14
      +8
      Quote: evgenii67
      you just need to correctly select (filter) the information, that’s all, but the fact that someone blunders somewhere, and let it be, I won’t become weaker from this, just like you ...

      Not everyone is able to filter. Today I already mentioned one of our forum users, Pavel Makarov (makarov, now banned) from Dnepropetrovsk. A normal, adequate, adult man lives on the earth, does not build illusions (or rather did not). But after the Maidan is ready to fight against us! You can swing almost anyone. And if it doesn’t work in one direction, they will push it in the other direction, and then they will throw it off the road like a car. The media is a great force, it was not in vain that in the 91st it was Ostankino who stormed. hi
      1. andj61
        andj61 12 May 2014 22: 17
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Today I already mentioned one of our forum users, Pavel Makarov (makarov, now banned) from Dnepropetrovsk. A normal, adequate, adult man lives on the earth, does not build illusions (or rather did not). But after the Maidan is ready to fight against us! You can swing almost any

        I don’t know, however, why they banned me, but, in my opinion, you need to have different opinions on the forum, and if the discussion does not turn into swearing (like on the censor), then any opinions are acceptable. Even those that do not correspond to the vast majority. Another opinion is the touchstone on which you can test the strength of your arguments.
    2. koshh
      koshh 12 May 2014 18: 43
      +5
      Quote: evgenii67
      you need to correctly select (filter) information, that's all, but the fact that someone blunders somewhere, and let it be, I will not become weaker from this, just like you ...


      How can our media generally stay on the information field if there are no normal journalists? There are, but only a few - Soloviev, Kiselev and a maximum of three. Just listen to what absolutely illiterate journalists are broadcasting to us on the radio, who do not know history, who simply do not know the Russian language, presenting their verses in a tone, how could it be the ultimate truth? I wonder all the time - where do they get such people? Is this all that the Faculty of Journalism prepares or is it just blatyuk? What information war? With such fighters, we can generally miss everything. Here I will collect more quotes from these magazines and write an article for review "On information wars and the fifth column in our media." If someone does this earlier, I will only be glad.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 13 May 2014 03: 43
        +2
        Quote: koshh
        Is this all that the faculty of journalism is preparing or are they just blatyuk?

        So they are prepared by Prof. Svanidze, Brewers, Radzinsky.
  3. taseka
    taseka 12 May 2014 18: 05
    +10
    Furst sausage - and Conchita with a beard and chest, This is Alexander in rotten tolerance of Europe, Syria is already a world geopolitics of interests! But Ukraine is a strategic partner, Slavs in spirit, a Russian-speaking population, a neighbor with a bunch of economic ties, a military bloc that could become NATO, this is our centuries-old history of the fraternal people! Trying to break these ties - they break our world, in which we still have to live and live!
  4. Ross
    Ross 12 May 2014 18: 06
    +6
    The fact that the author drew attention to the concentration of attention on one event is a common practice of geopolitics. Another question about the rules. Rules are most likely the art of the possible. Unfortunately, everyone saw how much we did not fight at the UN, the one with the strength wins. While she is still star-striped. But everyone already sees that in the long run they lose it (power).
    For Russia, the main thing now is not to make gross mistakes, now our time has come.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 12 May 2014 18: 15
      +9
      I liked the rules by which the USSR played in 1956 and 1968, I had better rules.
      1. Ross
        Ross 12 May 2014 18: 46
        +3
        I liked the rules by which the USSR played in 1956 and 1968, I had better rules.

        And who then doubted our strength? In addition, I was also afraid of our ideology.
  5. Siberian 1975
    Siberian 1975 12 May 2014 18: 07
    +8
    In one, the author is right, we are losing the information war. One rush does not pull. Need more sources of information for geyropov and amers. There, too, not only the shuffles live, there are thinking people.
  6. fly fishing
    fly fishing 12 May 2014 18: 07
    -10%
    youth, passion, agony ... nothing intelligible in the article. He served in the army. Presumably at headquarters ... And so on.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 May 2014 18: 47
      +5
      Do not like the article, do not judge a person. What does it disagree with?
  7. Vadim12
    Vadim12 12 May 2014 18: 09
    +4
    I disagree on Snowden. They checked Putin, he would be afraid of the amers, giving them a fugitive or not bending, giving him refuge.
  8. HAM
    HAM 12 May 2014 18: 09
    +19
    I am glad, young man, that you THINK, and experience will come, and you will arrange everything as your conscience tells you. Do not be upset if they put "-" ..
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 12 May 2014 18: 19
      +5
      Quote: HAM
      I am glad, young man, that you THINK, and experience will come, and you will arrange everything as your conscience tells you. Do not be upset if they put "-" ..


      Yes, that’s already good. And I’ll learn to put my thoughts in order over time.
  9. yushch
    yushch 12 May 2014 18: 09
    +4
    You have expressed your attitude and vision of the situation in this article. Each person has his own point of view and considers it correct until he himself reviews it. According to Eurovision, I think the main contingent of VO is not interested in them at all. A couple of years ago I heard such a comparison that Eurovision is a freak show and the uglier you are, the more likely you will become a winner.
    Even when they tell us that we’re not going to be brothers anyway, in spirit, Russian people consider the outskirts to be part of a living organism. And when something happens directly with you or with you, all attention is focused on the problem. The rest fades into the background, so and in general about the situation in the world.
  10. sniper
    sniper 12 May 2014 18: 10
    +5
    To win the information war, we must destroy the source of other people's information, and not try to crush our own.
    Dear Alexander, I disagree with you in many respects. I put the truth to the article because I honestly write about my doubts and do not try to pass my thoughts as the ultimate truth. The very first thing, as you can see from the quote, you do not consider it necessary to give your information, it’s not exactly this miscalculation in our policy in Ukraine that made it possible for the junta to come to power ... For 23 years, Ukrainians were washed away, but we did not intervene in this and now the result ... As for the lack of comments on the performance of our girls at Eurovision, the theme of the site is not quite the same, we don’t discuss football with hockey here ... But basically you’re right, we don’t really have victories in the information war need to do something ! hi
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 12 May 2014 18: 29
      +1
      Quote: sniper
      But basically you are right, with victories in the information war we do not have much and something needs to be done!

      How will the "battle" be carried out in cyberspace (the Internet in all its guises) with the rules and on the "fields" (servers) located not in your (me, us) in the garden?
      To carry out satellite broadcasting to the whole world in all kinds of languages ​​of news and other feeds, also seems almost impossible.
      Well, of course you can arrange broadcasting, but everything is easily clogged with interference.

      There was only one way left - broadcasting from the companions a footage with a running line (sign language) directly in the sky.
      The latter is the most real, but alas fantasy (so far).
      1. sniper
        sniper 12 May 2014 18: 48
        +4
        Quote: Papakiko
        How will the "fight" be carried out?
        To my greatest regret, I don’t know ... Alas ... The only thing that comes to mind is the creation of public organizations, the financing of "necessary" projects, the creation of controlled media, but the prepared user will find the necessary Internet resource himself ...
  11. leks
    leks 12 May 2014 18: 13
    +5
    I believe that no one has forgotten about Syria, why the priorities of the media and people who pay more attention to events in Ukraine than in Syria probably needless to explain all understand it all perfectly well, ours have helped Syria and Assad’s work recently the mountain went.
    As for the so-called trap from the West towards Russia, I think trying to trap us, the West played too much and got there myself, as in fact the very Europeans themselves are not happy about what is happening in Ukraine and the fact that they take part in it USA, because in fact, after the coup in Ukraine, the whole west took off his smiling masks and showed the whole world who he really understood this especially in Russia.
    As for Snowdon, I don’t know what kind of makar you registered him here, but he is already a played card and he has absolutely nothing to do with the events in Syria and Ukraine.
    You write that everything is too easy and played up, I don’t think so, since in this game between the west and Russia in the west, all the cards mixed and confused the actions of Russia and the South-East, no one over the hill thought there would be such an answer from the Russians and that the east of Ukraine will rise.
    Soaps started to appear in me that recently Russia and the West have already agreed on Ukraine and now there is a concert for an ordinary spectator so that Europe does not hit the dirt. But this is purely my opinion I don’t know why it happened but Europe is clearly not profitable to go in the confrontation with the Russians over Ukraine. That is why they will freeze in the summer, and by the fall everyone will come to restore relations with Russia, then they will have no choice, as Putin said you don’t want to develop nuclear energy, you don’t need gas either, you’ll need to heat wood or if in this case with the wood have to go to Russia for their harvest in Siberia))))
    1. Barmal
      Barmal 12 May 2014 21: 51
      +1
      Quote: leks
      As for the so-called trap from the West towards Russia, I think trying to trap us, the West played too much and got there myself, as in fact the very Europeans themselves are not happy about what is happening in Ukraine and the fact that they take part in it USA, because in fact, after the coup in Ukraine, the whole west took off his smiling masks and showed the whole world who he really understood this especially in Russia.

      the guy's most correct conclusion is to crush in the very bud the creation of false informational media in other people's media. Where do they start. And about "the whole west took off its smiling masks and showed the whole world who he really is" with all due respect, but "the whole world" is "the whole west". It is in the aspect of their consciousness, capable of deciding something on the planet, that countries with developed Economies and equally developed Armed Forces are opponents in an information war. And China is still waiting for us. It's good that nuclear weapons are hitting the Chinese in the same way as the amer with Eurogey.
    2. papas-57
      papas-57 12 May 2014 23: 22
      +1
      This is how a person works - if his house is on fire he doesn’t give a damn about a fire in the next block (this is about news from Ukraine and Syria)
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  13. Prutkov
    Prutkov 12 May 2014 18: 19
    +6
    There is no common, worldwide idea. The idea of ​​"Russians of all countries unite!" for the entire world community will not pull. This is a regional slogan. We need an idea of ​​a global scale, an analogue of the Communist International (for example). The idea could come up - Fight against world fascism and total control.

    P.S. I check Euronews periodically. In my subjective opinion, the problem of Ukraine is already relegated to the background. Now the entire "world community" is rescuing Nigerian girls who have been abducted by the Islamists. What does that mean?
  14. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 12 May 2014 18: 22
    +4
    We will forgive the author for his youth in his years, do not rush to get older Alexander, of course we can be forgiven of our older comrades that we did not follow Eurovision, I just have no interest in looking at the mustachioed one. Bashar al-Assad does well himself, of course, with our humanitarian aid, he grinds different rabble flown to them from all over the world. Well, as they say, the enemy is still strong, but still the victory will be ours.
  15. Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 12 May 2014 18: 24
    +1
    off topic-news from the Balkan, fined the Russians in Montenegro for the fact that on May 9 they drove in cars with Russian flags. a fine of 500 euros or 30 days in prison. They don’t drive the Albanian or American people and the law is 7 years old and only use against the Russians, it’s only about the Montenegrin mates. And ride around Serbia until you get bored. Serbs certainly don’t really look at the Russians as rich suckers and do not rejoice behind your back as we were divorced by brotherhood and inflated unity.
  16. Orik
    Orik 12 May 2014 18: 25
    +2
    The main problem of the Russian Federation is that it does not have its own MEANING, not the material idea of ​​its existence. Everything happens within the framework of the Western paradigm, which is opposed by a scattered people, often unconsciously standing on the foundation of the Russian spirit.
    We fight on enemy sites, with enemy tools, according to their rules. They are patent holders, and we, or rather, our elite and the drugged majority of society, are only players of the second, and maybe third level.
  17. Rohon
    Rohon 12 May 2014 18: 32
    +2
    In order to win the war, one must firmly believe in one's ideals, and if you do not believe or doubt, then there is nothing to start a war.
  18. blizart
    blizart 12 May 2014 18: 38
    +1
    paying attention to one thing, we will definitely lose sight of the other.
    In my opinion, the most that we are missing is that behind the flickering (as if favorable for Russia events), we did not see that the United States, in principle, achieved its goals with Ukraine - Russia got under its side an unpredictable, either in terms of time or according to the scenario of development, permanent conflict. Add a couple of (inexpensive) blows to the "soft underbelly", derail the integration in the post-Soviet era, and after a dozen other years, we will want to return to the present time in "alternative stories" in order to fix everything once again.
    P.S. But if Russia has such caring young people, it’s just good
  19. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 12 May 2014 18: 42
    +9
    Of course, Alexander, you have far from turned out ... "reasoning about the war" ...
    wink
    But in general - it is nice to read the thoughts of a young thinking person.
    yes

    With a writ:
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 12 May 2014 19: 11
      +2
      I agree, but the last point to the young man can be skipped.
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 12 May 2014 18: 45
    +8
    The NATO general seems to have let loose and said publicly that, by the way, everyone understood that.

    "NATO is in sorrow: Moscow is not sending troops to Ukraine.
    The commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe, Philip Breedlove, issued another interesting forecast on the topic of Ukraine. If a month ago he frightened the world, claiming that the introduction of Russian troops into the independent was a matter of three to five days, now he is confident that this will not happen. And this, he said, is also not good for the North Atlantic Alliance.

    Communicating with military diplomats in Canada, Bridlav once again confirmed that the Russian armed forces do not cross (and are not going to cross) the border, and that man-portable air defense systems with which Ukrainian helicopters were shot down in the vicinity of Slavyansk could well fall into the hands of militias from numerous military depots, and the Russians have nothing to do with it.

    And then there was a revelation in the style typical for representatives of the “civilized world”: the very fact that Russia does not send troops into Ukraine, Bridlav considers ... a serious problem for NATO! In the same way, a few weeks ago, the general spoke about the possible entry of our troops. It turns out: Russians will appear in the east of Ukraine - a problem, they will not appear - again a problem ... So understand them, these NATO members ...

    However, Breedlove puts everything on the shelves. According to him, in the absence of visible aggression, other countries, including those allied by NATO, will again begin to be friends with Russia, restoring economic (and not only) ties. It turns out that all the anti-Russian sanctions over which they worked at night in the White House are down the drain? And what is this in the worldview of a typical “bearer of democratic values”, if not a threat? No, it is only allowed to be friends with Russia with the permission of the USA! What will happen to those who still do not understand this, the general chewed at the same meeting:

    - The period when Russia was our partner is over, we are already at a different time interval, - Breedlove bluntly snapped and hinted: - And I believe that some countries need to realize this ... "
    http://warfiles.ru/show-55964-nato-v-pechali-moskva-ne-vvodit-voyska-na-ukrainu.
    html
  21. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 12 May 2014 18: 46
    +2
    "To win the information war, we must destroy the source of other people's information, and not try to crush our own."

    In my opinion, this thesis is controversial. We can prevent this source in our country. There are examples. They banned the broadcasting of Voice of America and Svoboda in Russia on long and medium wavelengths, which, however, does not radically solve the problem. If only the patriotic oligarchs will not slowly buy up their newspapers and channels. (It became funny to himself))) So there is only one way: to massively increase the flow of information from our side, to increase the number of broadcast languages, to use "dirty" methods of presenting information, in the end to surpass the Western media, surpass them with sophisticated lies. What do you want? War is like war.
    1. lg41
      lg41 13 May 2014 02: 16
      0
      "So there is only one way: to massively increase the flow of information from our side ..." - this is not the truth.
      The main direction is the weakening of the dollar through the settlement of the ruble in the international arena.
  22. ed65b
    ed65b 12 May 2014 19: 02
    +4
    Why Sanya look at Ukraine and forgot about everything and Syria and Eurovision, everything is simple, there the Nazis kill Russians and Ukrainians. And the people already do not care about Eurovision and everything else.
    1. Rohon
      Rohon 12 May 2014 20: 16
      +2
      Right to fuck a European vision ...
  23. doc62
    doc62 12 May 2014 19: 04
    +2
    listen if there were no Maidan Crimea never returned back. and the war at the borders, what did you want that everyone in the West will joyfully look at Russia's movement forward
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 12 May 2014 20: 05
      +1
      Quote: doc62
      listen if there were no Maidan Crimea never returned back. and the war at the borders, what did you want that everyone in the West will joyfully look at Russia's movement forward

      Valery, and not only Crimea. It sounds cynical, but the bloody junta contributed to the referendum in the southeast. The only thing that is insulting is that it was real only in the Slavic that they ensured the safety of the referendum, and despite the shameful shelling by troops of ukrov. Odessa catches jackals one by one, but this is not a return move. How much more really, God forbid, should blood be shed in order for the fascists to be strangled completely?
      And the author, Alexander, at the expense of Syria - yes, the war is terrible, but the Russians are killed in Ukraine HERE and now!
  24. vedross
    vedross 12 May 2014 19: 05
    +1
    Fight mass disinformation ... Filter information ... What is an internal filter, an internal censor? What is this mechanism and who sets it up? What or who controls our beliefs, how do we accept what we hear and see, or vice versa - do we reject? I think that this internal censor is formed at the core - by Genus - genetic memory or some other, but by the memory that is written in your blood, it is formed by your knowledge of fundamental history, in the feeling of justice and the desire for this very justice, like air, like bread , desires of the TRUTH! A person, as a rational and spiritual being, lives in different information fields, where there is both truth and falsehood and half-truth and half-lie, but in some incomprehensible way some people from all this information flow single out one truth, while others rally around another "truth". There are always supporters and opponents of the same issue. Maybe it's the feeling of the energy of the event (issue, problem), maybe what divides humanity and divides it energetically? Day and night, summer and winter, Russia and anti-Russia. My energy and the energy of Russia coincide in all respects, therefore, everything that harms Russia and is directed against it, I do not accept and resist it, and I know that Russia is the Light Earth, the abode of Our Russian Gods, and they are the Light Gods and behind them the TRUTH , which means the TRUTH is behind us. As the great Stalin said: "Our cause is just. The enemy will be defeated. Victory will be ours!" We are honest people and we are acutely aware of lies.
    1. andj61
      andj61 12 May 2014 22: 26
      0
      Quote: vedross
      As the great Stalin said: "Our cause is just. The enemy will be defeated. Victory will be ours!"

      Actually, it was Molotov - a speech on June 22, 1941.
  25. BelPartizan
    BelPartizan 12 May 2014 19: 17
    0
    Quote: Rods
    There is no common, worldwide idea. The idea of ​​"Russians of all countries unite!" for the entire world community will not pull. This is a regional slogan. We need an idea of ​​a global scale, an analogue of the Communist International (for example). The idea could come up - Fight against world fascism and total control.

    Has already. You need to type in Yandex "National Idea of ​​the Eurasian Union" and the site that will be at the very top - read the main
  26. Horst78
    Horst78 12 May 2014 19: 22
    0
    20 years is already age.
    At the expense of the information war. And who said that we will win in it? We knew before (and after 08.08.08) we were convinced that in such a war we will lose in the clean.
    In fact of the matter. We are fighting in the space of justice, not the "FRIENDS" SHOW.
    Forgot about Syria? First of all, they didn't forget. Secondly, Assad is already doing an excellent job with "his scumbags" (and it seems that OURS use this tactic in Ukraine, grass spiders on each other).
    There is a GOLDEN RULE "BIG VISIBLE FROM A LARGE".
    So do not re-evaluate as well as not to evaluate our opponents. Although REALLY the adversary is SMALL. There was a link in the commentary about the interview of Bush Sr. about the collapse of the USSR and what the United States faces in this regard.
  27. hrapon
    hrapon 12 May 2014 19: 33
    +6
    20 years is a good age. During World War II, many company commanders, even battalions and regiments, were slightly larger than 20.
    I will not forget how in thoughtfulness, standing over the granite slabs of the memorial in Tiergarten Park (West Berlin), I calculated the age of the heroes buried there in the last days of the war: Guards Colonel Voinov A.M. - 1921-20.04.1945; Major Tytar V.M. 1924-17.04.1945; Guards senior lieutenant Dolgov A.P. - 1917-01.05.1945. The average age of the Winners is about 28 years.
    So have a good trip.
    My advice is not to watch Eurovision. This event is for idiots and cultivates Idiotism.
    What is happening now in Ukraine is the apotheosis of Idiocy. The Yankes themselves opened Pandora's box (the experimenters are fucking) in the hope that "controlled chaos" in any case would be in their hands. And EuroIdiots, led by Merkel, under their leadership, with servility and ecstasy, participate in the act of self-castration. About UkroIdiots and say nothing.
    Information wars do not end with the hoisting of flags over ARD, CNN, BBC, NBC and other "Cs", just as they do not end with "general enlightenment".
    In modern conditions, this is a steady, unbending and consistent advancement of the Truth and following the Truth. The only way.
    Because "God is not able, but in Truth."
    By the way, in chess the winner is not the one who is able to make a "smart face" a couple of times during the game, but the one who sees in advance all the opponent's moves, no matter how distracted he is.
    In my opinion, the GDP is doing very well.
  28. Leshka
    Leshka 12 May 2014 19: 37
    0
    correctly, we lose a lot of sight and thereby cease to control the situation
  29. Sashkessss
    12 May 2014 19: 44
    +2
    Thanks for the comments, I emphasized many points. I agree, piled on. And heaped a lot. But I am trying to cover everything in order to show that everything is interconnected. In general, the idea of ​​the article was in this.
  30. vladstro
    vladstro 12 May 2014 19: 46
    +4
    Indeed, Putin is not only a strong politician, but also a strong lawyer, so Russia is trying to do everything within the legal framework (although no one cares about him after the collapse of the Soviet Union), but we will not deviate one iota from this fucking right. with America, that Russia is bad and the aggressor. Unlike them, there are other countries that understand the situation in Ukraine and see not "peaceful demonstrators" but real fascists. They burn, kill people, and it is not a fact that there are no Americans who arranged all this And Crimea became Russian and now no one will dispute it, the Victory Parade in Sevastopol showed people are happy that they do not shoot or kill at their homes. And about whether we won or lost from this, we'll see, we'll see. Russia does not start wars, so after all, they say, she finishes them. And according to your policy, we need to retreat, to retreat not to protect anyone, but why parades, paws up and surrender. But there was no such thing in our history, we have always really won.
  31. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 12 May 2014 19: 51
    +6
    The most important thing is that the author of the article thinks. Disinformation is not terrible for anyone who knows how to think and analyze. A person can determine where they lie.
  32. SK12
    SK12 12 May 2014 19: 58
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Of course, Alexander, you have far from turned out ... "reasoning about the war" ...
    wink
    But in general - it is nice to read the thoughts of a young thinking person.
    yes

    With a writ:


    That’s why just hold out a glass at once? Either a bastard, then a holiday, someone will immediately lay out this crap with alcohol. Tired that Russians are considered alcoholics, and you yourself feed this myth. You yourself advertise what Russians are called cattle and quilted jackets for. "Polite people" is a great modern trend.
  33. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 May 2014 20: 15
    0
    I recommend for constant viewing http://rusvesna.su/news/1399906870
  34. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 12 May 2014 20: 52
    0
    it’s good that young people are interested in politics, but still, what did the author say?
  35. Vikmay16
    Vikmay16 12 May 2014 21: 46
    +1
    I agree completely with the author! We lose the world information war! The media about Syria is very small, in some places you will find on the Internet. And there are friendly people who are opposed to US world domination! Look at the pictures - mercenaries spare no one, playing their show for the world media!
  36. Tulip
    Tulip 12 May 2014 21: 59
    +2
    Do not panic, Young man, count the chickens in the fall.
  37. ksv1973
    ksv1973 12 May 2014 22: 12
    +3
    If the author of the article really is only 20 years old, then I am sincerely glad of this !!! And let those who shame with foam at the mouth say that Russian youth are stupid and apolitical be ashamed!
    In some respects I disagree with the Author, but that did not prevent me from giving Him a "plus". Even if He didn’t express His opinion too clearly, it seems that it was really “boiling”!
  38. PATTIY
    PATTIY 12 May 2014 22: 31
    +3
    You are well done for being interested. Not understanding you set a minus. In vain I did it.
    on the question: Russia simply does not have words so that it’s dirty, so dirty to lie. Here you are, the young generation - our future, help. Communicate, try, explain. And then we will definitely not lose! Have a nice day! love
  39. Evgeniy1
    Evgeniy1 12 May 2014 22: 51
    +1
    The banderlogs got the IMF 3 billion greens, this money, of course, will not go to pay for gas, but will go to suppress the Southeast, to pay the National Guard, the corrupt police, SBU, provocateurs and some traitors of the militias. This is the reason for such unprecedented arrogance from Avakov and other UNCLEAN. I think this money will be enough for 2-3 weeks of "military" operations.
  40. parus2nik
    parus2nik 12 May 2014 23: 15
    +1
    Syria is gas and oil from Iran, through Syria .. And now a little back ... The Druzhba gas pipeline .. USSR-Western Europe .. Then the United States also announced a boycott, demanded this from the West .. For the Americans understood .. there will be a gas pipeline, there will be no war .. And Europe understood this .. But .. despite all the intrigues of the United States, gas went to Western and Eastern Europe .. The USSR was destroyed .. but Europe was left to sit on the Russian gas needle .. How to leave ? .. And there is a way out .. There is a lot of oil and gas at the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov ... there is more of it than in Baku .. I know what I am talking about .. in the Kurchansk estuary, there are oil rigs .. and associated gas is burning for several years. ..in the years of the USSR, Azov oil was a state oil refinery.
    For 23 years .. Ukraine and the Russian Federation could not determine the border along the Sea of ​​Azov ... it would seem that there was nothing to divide the fish in the Sea of ​​Azov during the period of building democracy in both countries .. (in Soviet times, from 1 ha , 70 centners of valuable breeds were caught: sturgeon, zander ..), but nevertheless ... they didn’t define the border .. Imagine if Crimea would not be part of the Russian Federation, Donetsk region would remain under the control of the junta ... Kiev would brazenly, with the help of the West, begin to produce gas and oil in the Sea of ​​Azov ..? .. That’s why the West and the USA are angry at distorting events in Ukraine .. But aloud, neither the West with the United States nor the Russian Federation will name this reason ... If neither the oil and gas, the junta could not come to power .. The West would unanimously condemn the juntaevs, but ... knowing which piece it is possible to grab and get off the Russian a gas needle ... the West closed its eyes .. especially Poland .. they spit on the genocide of the Polish population, organized by Bandera ....
  41. BlackJack
    BlackJack 12 May 2014 23: 34
    +2
    it would be nice to translate into Chinese, Hindi, Portuguese, Spanish, English, French and German - let them feel laughing
    And I also insist that Washington should be destroyed!
  42. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA 12 May 2014 23: 51
    +2
    There are very competent thoughts in the article, which you rarely hear. They do not play chess with us. They beat us with a stick in the hands and laugh. And maybe we will be allowed to sell our resources if we conduct ourselves well. But there is no crowd. Even small countries like Lithuania, Latvia and Romania allow us to kick the kick when we turn our backs. We have no allies. But you need to live on.
  43. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 13 May 2014 00: 40
    +1
    We lose the information war because we practically don’t wage it. But it’s necessary! However, I already wrote about it. I want to add, don’t watch the TNT channel yet, the arch-harmful channel for our society is vulgarity and idiocy. And 20 years is a wonderful age, some of which My generation at this age returned from one war, and after some time fell into another.
  44. nomad74
    nomad74 13 May 2014 00: 56
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: evgenii67
    you just need to correctly select (filter) the information, that’s all, but the fact that someone blunders somewhere, and let it be, I won’t become weaker from this, just like you ...

    Not everyone is able to filter. Today I already mentioned one of our forum users, Pavel Makarov (makarov, now banned) from Dnepropetrovsk. A normal, adequate, adult man lives on the earth, does not build illusions (or rather did not). But after the Maidan is ready to fight against us! You can swing almost anyone. And if it doesn’t work in one direction, they will push it in the other direction, and then they will throw it off the road like a car. The media are a great force, not in vain in the 91st is Ostankino
    stormed. hi

    and these are modern realities, the god of war is not artillery, but independent journalism! who has more channels to voice the process, he won!
  45. green20181
    green20181 13 May 2014 01: 12
    +1
    Sorry, that is off topic, but as if after our victory in Minsk over the democrats in the qualifying round, sanctions would not be imposed against all the teams? wink
  46. nomad74
    nomad74 13 May 2014 01: 37
    0
    Everything is true and the information war should not be for living, but for death! PT is all good, but not enough! It is necessary to conquer inform.space! The space of life of the state, empire, since we are peoples of different nationalities, are fastened only by the empire state!
  47. Marconi41
    Marconi41 13 May 2014 01: 56
    0
    Different opinions are needed;
    Different opinions are important!
    Article plus for sincerity.
  48. Alex_Bogfin
    Alex_Bogfin 13 May 2014 02: 07
    +2
    any method (way) of dividing people according to any sign, national (nationalism, Nazism, fascism), racial, social (lumpen, proletarian, middle class), religious - is a crime. We all people. And every normal person should remember that he is, first and foremost, a MAN. And all attempts to divide us are a crime. I understand that this sounds like a hoodie. But how painful it is to hear and see that they are trying to divide us. Each of us makes decisions, and this is the highest right of every person. I want (even if it’s a utopia) that we all make decisions in relation to others as we would like to be made in our respect. I'm sorry if something is wrong
  49. bbss
    bbss 13 May 2014 02: 24
    0
    Destroy the source of "alien" information ... Until then, everything was fine. How, young man? Should I send you with matches to burn their barns?
  50. de_monSher
    de_monSher 13 May 2014 03: 50
    +2
    I still want to publish an article on the site, my hands do not reach, firstly, well, and secondly - it seems to me sometimes that it will be here - "out of place, at the wrong time, not in the topic and not in rhyme" ... Well, and so, I will try to formulate in brief, the main theses of what is "brewing" in my head, and to be honest - sometimes even my soul starts to ache because of this "brew".

    Why do I think so? It is important - because I am Uzbek by nationality. Even more important is my Father, a career soldier, a combat officer, only of that old Army. And I grew up, and I thank fate for this, maybe in a slightly different world - in a world where people lived for the idea, really. And honor with a conscience was not an empty phrase for them. And I am wildly grateful to all those my named "uncles", from all over the former Soviet Union, who managed to contribute to my formation as a person.

    First, Russia, as the heir to the Union, is not losing, but has practically lost another war - the "war of ideals." What have we all = all the countries of the former USSR = created on its ruins? The answer is "nothing" = quoted, since something was built, the process of "building", in fact, was and is - but ... shells were built with practically no content =. We have created "normal" countries, which, plus or minus, are in the "main civilizational" stream. The difference between internal and external rhetoric, from, for example, those in the United States ... hmm ... but they do not exist. And that's it. Let it sound tendentious - but still: well, they support, let us take, for example, the United States, 3.14-Daras or there, the Wahhabis, which is the same in essence, and Russia supports "traditional" religions. If we swap the points of application of the "support" forces, nothing in essence will change, not even Rhetoric. I hope I was able to more or less reveal this point, and at the same time, I very much hope that I did not touch anyone's "thin strings of the soul."
    Based on the foregoing, for example, I am greatly surprised when it called war. War may be where it goes border... If there are no boundaries, there can only be zones of influence, as in the "dog pack". And then it is necessary to call things by their proper names, to call what is happening not a war, but an elementary squabble, a "dog dump." I really hope that no one will try on my figurative comparison for themselves or their country.
    In this world, at the moment there is only one mainstream, that's all. There is nothing else. No ideas, no ideals, no aspirations, not even dreams. I can not call imperative the idea, narrow sporting interest. I can not name the ideal spiritual surrogate, mental gum. By and large all aspirations people are reduced to comfort for themselves, and a few more, tens, thousands, millions of "their boys and girls." AND dreams, alas and ah, it has long been degenerated into illusions and fantasies = sometimes wild, if you look at them impartially =, by and large.

    Look at all, if so briefly ...