Ukraine: a lost war for brains

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Today, we can state with confidence the fact that the war for the brains of the Ukrainian inhabitants is lost with a bang. Sad but true.

It is hard to judge what the secret is here, but the media that support the Kiev junta won a complete and unconditional victory over the mind and consciousness of the average man in the street.

Apparently, the main part of the brains of the residents of Ukraine was not ready for such pressure. The old adage says that if a person says every day that he is a donkey, then soon he will start screaming in an ass. Apparently, this is what we are seeing.

What else can explain the general belief that today the Ukrainian media is being dumped on the heads of ordinary people? More precisely, in the head.

The Kharkov Fedorenko family, with whom I have been friends for more than five years, stops communicating with me. “We ate and drank together, you came to us. And now you are for those who want to crush us with their tanks". The finish, and yet quite reasonable people were a year ago.

The father of our lodger, Alexander Demyanenko, who has been working in Voronezh for three years, collects furniture, a Kiev pensioner who receives 700 hryvnia, declares to his sons: “I will die of starvation, but I will not take more of your bloody moskal money!”. And stops answering calls of both sons.

I am sure many of the readers will be able to give more than one such example. The essence is the same - total fear of Russia and everything connected with it. The adoption of the wording "separatists" and "terrorists" for residents of the south-east. Plus, sheer aversion to what the people of Donbass are striving for.

Strange, like the Slavic brains, but no idea.

This is who you have to be to believe that people in the house of trade unions in Odessa self-exploded, self-burned, shot and stifled. And further on the list. And they believe, oddly enough. Sufficiently relevant resources to look through. And condemn those who go to all, just to provoke a split unhappy Ukraine and act on the orders of the FSB of Russia. And of course, for Putin’s money.

The general attitude to events in the southeast is generally carcasses of light. According to the majority, there seems to be a bunch of corrupt terrorists and saboteurs abandoned from the territory of Russia. And only the fact that they are hiding behind local residents taken hostage does not allow the gallant armed forces and the National Guard under to cope with them.

About civilian casualties - silence.

How did it happen that such a big and beautiful people turned into a flock, driven by a gang that seized power?

Why is it necessary to brutally kill them in order for a clearing to begin in the heads of Ukrainians?

Why only a part of this people could find the strength to resist in this war for their tomorrow?

What else needs to happen in order for the Ukrainians to see their sight? More blood? More death? How many?

I am painfully sorry that only time will give answers to these questions.

Ukraine: a lost war for brains
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  1. +11
    11 May 2014 06: 12
    Dill Propaganda:
    http://content.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/vladimirovich7707/497/i-909.jpg
    1. +188
      11 May 2014 06: 17
      "The most annoying thing is that the one who tells the truth always loses in the information war. He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything" Sheckley

      This is the reason. I hope that all the nonsense driven into the brains of the average man will be able to get out with little blood.
      1. +134
        11 May 2014 06: 34
        Let Ukrainians not be offended at me, but their mentality - greed, obstinacy, arrogance, is that in you, also plays a small role. On what by the way specialists mediators also play.
        1. +35
          11 May 2014 08: 35
          Whatever happens, everything is for the better ... the blind will see clearly, the deaf will hear ... when TIME comes ...
          1. +12
            11 May 2014 09: 37
            Everything seems to be so, BUT in this situation, time is human life!
            And when enlightenment comes to them ... the grandmother with a pitchfork on the water wrote
            1. Valrad
              +3
              11 May 2014 23: 46
              Quote: Thompson
              Everything seems to be so, BUT in this situation, time is human life!
              And when enlightenment comes to them ... the grandmother with a pitchfork on the water wrote


              maybe not when
          2. Anastasios
            +85
            11 May 2014 09: 41
            EU accession
            1. raf
              +6
              11 May 2014 19: 31
              So it will be! The poor joined))))) They will be needed there as the fifth wheel, such a tarantass)))))))
          3. +49
            11 May 2014 09: 43
            The Baltic states have lost everything. Men in the West are working for a penny. Well, the Baltic states themselves have become European Europe. Well, what is their vision?
            1. +30
              11 May 2014 10: 14
              they are not stubborn until the last dies, they will trend about the invaders and blame everything Russian
            2. +30
              11 May 2014 10: 21
              You're right. This happens in all countries where nationalists intimidate the population.
              National priorities kill all spiritual priorities.
              Nationalism is a dead end for any nation. Nationalism and its extreme form of fascism, stupid any nation.
              Still, you don’t need to learn anything, a simple story, simple slogans and you have not noticed how you turned into Ukraine, and then into Okra.
              Ukrainians have been hammered into their heads that they are "special". This is a corrupting factor, for people whose head a sentence of four words no longer fits, but an automaton in their hand.
              A two-year education multiplied by a national "peculiarity" leads to dire consequences in any country.
              1. +15
                11 May 2014 13: 32
                Quote: Turkir
                National priorities kill all spiritual priorities.

                Patriotism is an extension of the concept of love for one’s home
                Nationalism is an extension of the concept of love for family people.
                The only difference between patriots and nationalists is that nationalists who dream, like patriots, of a great Russia, have already realized a simple dependence: "the nation is primary, the state is secondary."
                There will be Russians - there will be Russia. There will be a mighty Russian nation - there will be a mighty Russia. With respect to other peoples living with us, on equal rights !!!
                1. Erg
                  +9
                  11 May 2014 14: 04
                  Many great thinkers at different times evaluated nationalism, and they are all positive. Currently, this concept is confused with fascism. Pravoseki and other nonsense cannot be nationalists by definition, because they bring destruction to their people and their land. They are just brainless, rotten soul miserable. I won’t even call them fascists, because Fascism is an ideology, but in order to have it you need a brain
                2. +1
                  11 May 2014 14: 29
                  Quote: Z.O.V.
                  Nationalism is an extension of the concept of love for family people.

                  Features of National Nationalism laughing
                  Be careful with the definitions, Anatoly hi
                3. +4
                  11 May 2014 23: 16
                  Not very clear, the word extension. Love, it is either there or it is not.
                  Expanding patriotism is impossible. Either he is, or he is not.
                  I’m not your native and therefore you can’t spread nationalism to me, this expanded love for the native people living in your own home and other, other ...
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                  Answering Erg.
                  Many great thinkers at different times evaluated nationalism, and they are all positive. Currently, this concept is confused with fascism.

                  Always afraid to use common phrases.
                  I would like to know the NAMES of these great thinkers who at different times gave ratings (!).
                  No, they don’t confuse it with fascism. Conduct an experiment - take a few nationalists from different countries, read their speeches and .. dull uniformity of thoughts.
                  If you stick in their speeches the name of their ethnic group (a nation is a bourgeois term), then you will not be able to understand who it is! Some common phrases!
                  We are for prosperity ***! Our *** are humiliated. We *** will show them! *** must be in a privileged position, etc. etc. This has been going on for many years. It has already been, in Germany, in Italy, in Spain, in Croatia .. NOW it is in Ukraine, in Odessa, Mariupol, Donetsk, Slavyansk, Kravschnogvrdeysk.
                  These natsiks are just armed pawnsin the hands of multinational companies and banks. Natsik, then, shoot or they hang them or they run away .. in Rio de Janeiro.
                  And it was not the nationalists who won the war (they lost it), but the quiet patriots.
                  This is shown by History, but SEE is NOT all. But the Nazis are uneducated people. wink
                4. +6
                  12 May 2014 17: 32
                  Emperor Nicholas I once at a court ball asked the Marquis of Astolf de Custine, who was fleeing the French Revolution in Russia:
                  - Marquis, do you think there are many Russians in this room?
                  “Everything except me and the foreign ambassadors, Your Majesty!”
                  - You're wrong. This one of mine is a Pole, a German. There are two generals - they are Georgians. This courtier is a Tatar, here is a Finn, and there is a baptized Jew.
                  “Then where are the Russians?” Asked Custine.
                  - But all together they are Russian.
                  1. Kassandra
                    0
                    13 May 2014 08: 19
                    Custine was a disguised Russian,
                    maybe even a descendant of Anna Yaroslavna.
              2. +9
                11 May 2014 16: 41
                So you very accurately described the essence, I have already quoted here recently, just about this - In my opinion, one of the Strugatsky said - "do not confuse patriotism with nationalism, the first is love for the homeland, and the second is hatred for everyone around."
                1. +3
                  11 May 2014 23: 45
                  do not confuse patriotism with nationalism, the first is love for the motherland, and the second is hatred for everyone around

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                  Checked by me throughout my life repeatedly, I completely agree. Hatred is spiritless, barren.
                  I can add that their hatred is also flawed, like the impotent envy of a healthy man.
            3. alin12
              +24
              11 May 2014 12: 57
              Indeed, I always say with the Latvians that you wanted freedom, and now you are a NATO European collective farm and where are you free? There's nothing to say! Generally, they are afraid of the Russians at the genome level, although now they are no longer bullied by local Russians who know what they can get. I don’t it is clear that Ukrainians have always been like that or they really have lost their memory and conscience somewhere! Why are we Russians in the Baltic celebrating May 9th and they forgot who they are! There were not many Ukrainian fronts (I don’t know how much exactly) their ancestors turned over in their graves what their descendants do !
              1. Artem1967
                +17
                11 May 2014 17: 20
                There were 4 Ukrainian, 3 Byelorussian and 3 Baltic, as well as the Leningrad and Karelian fronts (in 1944-1945). Eternal glory to the fallen!
                1. 0
                  13 May 2014 16: 51
                  Is this an allusion to the question "Where is the Russian front?".?
              2. +4
                11 May 2014 18: 33
                Quote: alin12
                I don’t understand either the Ukrainians have always been like that or they really have lost their memory and conscience somewhere!


                so yes nationalism has always been present in Ukraine.
              3. +12
                11 May 2014 19: 02
                Quote: alin12
                Why are we Russians in the Baltic celebrating May 9

                Ukraine from the status of WINNERS passed into the stasus of the vanquished!
                VOLUNTARILY!!
                They celebrate May 8 with Germany. Ukraine - SHAME!
                Quote: alin12
                they forgot who they are!

                He who does not remember the past has no future!
                Ukraine has no future! However, like her! Crimea, New Russia ...
            4. alin12
              +4
              11 May 2014 12: 57
              Indeed, I always say with the Latvians that you wanted freedom, and now you are a NATO European collective farm and where are you free? There's nothing to say! Generally, they are afraid of the Russians at the genome level, although now they are no longer bullied by local Russians who know what they can get. I don’t it is clear that Ukrainians have always been like that or they really have lost their memory and conscience somewhere! Why are we Russians in the Baltic celebrating May 9th and they forgot who they are! There were not many Ukrainian fronts (I don’t know how much exactly) their ancestors turned over in their graves what their descendants do !
            5. raf
              +5
              11 May 2014 19: 34
              It’s not yet clear-sighted, if NATO troops are deployed in them, you see, they’re afraid that the Russians will attack them laughing.What the hell they need, German bedding.
              1. Valrad
                0
                11 May 2014 23: 52
                Quote: raf
                It’s not yet clear-sighted, if NATO troops are deployed in them, you see, they’re afraid that the Russians will attack them laughing.What the hell they need, German bedding.


                did the Poles see the light? too, after all, the Slavs ... will also be with Ukraine, unless of course our people come up with something
            6. +8
              11 May 2014 20: 40
              Quote: Dilshat
              The Baltic states have lost everything. Men in the West are working for a penny. Well, the Baltic states themselves have become European Europe. Well, what is their vision?

              I was in Italy. I talked with our guide, she has been living there for 12 years. So she says:
              "Before, for Italians there was no difference between us. They believed that we are all the same. And now when you say that from Russia they ask:" From Russia from Russia? "If you say that yes, then you are beautiful otnosheniya.Esli from Dill something with-oh-oh-oh-everything else ... ".
              I ask, why? She answers:
              "The men are drinking there all over the place. Baba EVERYTHING is on the panel. They are holding them there for bsdl."
              This is how ...
            7. +7
              11 May 2014 20: 49
              They don’t think so. Their narcissism knows no bounds. The main thing now - we lived 300 years under the Germans, 70 years - near Moscow and back we do not want! At the same time, it’s back to Moscow. As if now they live absolutely on their own. Relatives living there say that each new president is proud that the foreigner gave a loan (not a gift), but that he is silently proudly giving it away or knowing for sure that it sold out and got under someone else again.
              "We are a small but proud people" - they say so about themselves. Small - yes, about pride - where to look for it - immediately a mortal offense. They are wonderful. But pleased with themselves. Happiness to them!
              I can only tell the children that Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland are such a country where everyone together and everyone whines individually, everything is not for them, there are not so many more, there are many reasons. That's all about them.
            8. +1
              12 May 2014 10: 13
              no, and probably they will no longer see clearly ... but all for the same reason ... propaganda that Russia is an occupier, they are not so good ...
            9. 0
              13 May 2014 13: 25
              Che there sex change and prostitute buzhiki and mabs?)))
          4. +27
            11 May 2014 14: 59
            Whatever happens, everything is for the better ... the blind will see clearly

            There was a blind girl in the family. When the whole family sat down at the table, the girl felt her portion and said:
            - Again I got the least. Do you think that if I am blind, can you lie to me?
            This went on for several months until the mother went to the doctor to ask what she should do. The doctor advised to cook a bowl of dumplings and put the girl on the table. Mother did so. And having felt a sickly portion of dumplings, the daughter said:
            - Blyin, I imagine how much you fucked yourself
        2. +20
          11 May 2014 10: 32
          Quote: Buran
          On what by the way specialists mediators also play.
          To this we can add that you can deceive someone who wants to be deceived!
          1. +6
            11 May 2014 15: 58
            Quote: Homo
            To this we can add that you can deceive someone who wants to be deceived!

            It is not by chance that the Ukrainian classic Gogol, through the mouths of Dobchinsky-Bobchinsky, said: “It is not difficult to deceive me, I myself am happy to be deceived.” This is practically the creed of the Ukrainian mentality.
            1. +2
              11 May 2014 20: 55
              Quote: Centurion
              It is no coincidence that the Ukrainian classic Gogol, through the mouth of Dobchinsky-Bobchinsky, said:

              Nikolai Vapsilievich is a RUSSIAN classic writer. He himself has spoken about this more than once. Only one autograph written by his hand in the Ukrop language is known, a letter to the Polish priest. EVERYTHING! No more lines. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Vladimir Nabokov, son of a high-ranking Russian dignitary level (Grandfather on the father's side, Dmitry Nikolayevich Nabokov, was the Minister of Justice in the governments of Alexander II and Alexander III. Father - Vladimir Dmitrievich Nabokov is a lawyer, a well-known politician, one of the leaders of the Constitutional Democratic Party (Cadet Party)), was an American writer of Russian origin .
            2. +4
              11 May 2014 23: 41
              And the funniest thing is that for the whole world all the immigrants of the former USSR are Russians. Take for example anyone, let us say Uzbeks and Tajiks, we ourselves often confuse them, but where are they for example, or Chechens, Avars, Ingush, etc. - the American looks at him and affirms - Russian will be right. It is inside we ourselves know small differences - and outside our great Motherland we are all Russian. hi
          2. the same cat
            +23
            11 May 2014 16: 59
            You are ahead of me HOMO. I cannot be brainwashed because my parents not only clothed and fed me, but also taught me to think, and critically. But such education is a big job. At school matinees, you immediately see that the most worthless children are dressed best. It is no longer possible for a teacher (even in elementary school) to reach out if he came from a family even without minimal moral guidelines. So then they go through life, reproducing their own kind. Somehow they argued at the table in a meadow (went to pick mushrooms), so one participant in the dispute came up to me afterwards and hissed: You were lucky that no one handed you in on time. "That's how. Until the hour of death he will think that all dissidents should simply be exterminated. This is called militant dullness. most comfortable, only then don't you ask For what?
            1. 0
              13 May 2014 16: 55
              Quote: the same cat
              It is already impossible for a teacher (even in elementary school) to reach out if he came from a family even without minimal moral guidelines


              Could you clarify what period of Ukrainian history you are talking about.
          3. +3
            11 May 2014 18: 21
            I tried to remember the phrase, I thanked you. If you still have your own mind, I don’t think it’s easy to drive into your head that your brother is your enemy. However, for some reason the Ukrainians were able to. So they were ready for this.
            1. +5
              11 May 2014 19: 26
              Quote: kotvov
              however, Ukrainians for some reason could.

              “Fear Danians bringing gifts” (“Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes”),
              became a Latin proverb, and from the Romans passed into other languages.
              The events of the Trojan War are described by the Roman poet Virgil in the Aeneid and in the Illiad Homer. Based on historical facts and myths.
              Since then, the expression "gifts of the Danians" has become a symbol of deceit, deception, cunning, hypocrisy, and flattery.
              In 1991-92. after Ukraine gained sovereignty, an incredible flow of funds from the United States poured into the country. They sincerely helped "..." the country to get back on its feet in every possible way. Now we see what we see.
        3. +18
          11 May 2014 10: 45
          Quote: Buran
          but their mentality - greed, stubbornness, arrogance, is there in you, also plays a small role. On what by the way specialists mediators also play.

          That's for sure! In my opinion, it is not so much greed as arrogance, that is, pride is a mortal sin, and suffering for it.
          And how do the broadcasting of May about the lost war for the minds explain the fact that in the Donbass most of the minds did not succumb?
          Or is there "weaker" propaganda, or "stronger" minds?
          The point is not only propaganda.
          What in the USSR was not carried out propaganda for the Soviet government and the Communist Party?
          And what came of it ...
          Congratulated on May 9 his relatives (Odessa and the region, Kharkov and the region), and friends in Ukraine.
          I didn’t hear any condemnation of the Russian Federation from most of them (though it’s ethnic Russians, although they have lived in Ukraine all their lives), and quite the contrary.
          Although the propaganda is the same. Many who are smarter do not watch Ukrainian channels in principle. they know perfectly well that they are "making nonsense" there.
          But, interestingly, it is often educated people who fall into hatred of Russia and Putin personally, they carry nonsense that, they say, they burned themselves in Odessa, etc., while ordinary workers retain "a clear mind and a firm memory."
          1. +15
            11 May 2014 11: 59
            Alekseev
            Sorry, but do not be like samostinikami, proving the flaw of the Ukrainian people-because they are precisely the flawed Russian hammered their population.
            Our few urbanists carrying Nazi symbols are exactly the same as the bandarlogs. And if we had 23 years on every corner, like in Ukraine, yelling about what their media and top officials of the state were talking about, then we would have as many Natsiks as in Ukraine.
            And do not compare with our propaganda during the USSR - it was completely different. Theories of racial superiority are much more attractive - it is always more pleasant to consider yourself much better than others than that everyone is equal, it is more pleasant to consider that you are not to blame for the fact that you live badly, but a bad neighbor ... especially if the arctic fox comes home ... . It's like in kindergarten, children learn bad words much faster than anything else ... :)))
            And about educated people - this is a pattern. It’s the cf..i tiligent who first picks up such theories - it’s the tiligent who first became infected with Ukraine in the 19th century (it’s known, with whose supply) and began to instill it among the Russian people living in Ukraine, it was the tiligent who developed and was imbued with Nazi theories in Germany, and then the shopkeepers became infected .... In Klaipeda, for example, the Conservatory was traditionally the hotbed of Lithuanian nationalism ... :))) simple workers are struck by all sorts of rubbish last .... unfortunately, this has already happened in Ukraine ... yes add here young people up to 30 years old, who from the kindergarten were convinced that they were to blame for everything ... whether .... here is the logical result ...
            1. +7
              11 May 2014 12: 58
              Yes, Lenin's definition of some intelligentsia is often confirmed. It was not for nothing that Joseph Vissarionovich kept all unions under control. The irresponsible chatter of some intellectuals (Or those that are smarter, but for preferences) have never led anything, intoxicated by their self, dubious "learning" leads to sad consequences. But it's time to debunk the myths. including the "civilization" of the West. Yesterday on the train I accidentally got into a conversation with a lawyer. He tells me that with us the life of a person does not mean anything, or else the matter is there. I ask him, and on what scales it was weighed, what instrument was measured, and he could not answer anything. But again, from the same opera, here we have not developed the concept of the rights of the individual (of course, they do not speak about obligations to society). That's right, you are right, because, thank God, we did not have such a developed legal business, which the "civilized" ones got into every family. This is me, for example, that it is necessary to more actively discredit any unsubstantiated propaganda nonsense that corrupts society and the state.
            2. +5
              11 May 2014 14: 20
              Quote: smile
              do not be like samostiynik, proving the inferiority of the Ukrainian people

              Yes, I don’t prove the inferiority of the whole people, but that is, that is - very many have become (or already were, only now aggravated) flawed. In kindergarten, all this is understandable, but we are not talking about small children ...
              And the theory, well, even if not "pure", of racial superiority touched not only pravosekov and inveterate Banderlog.
              It is formulated somewhat softer: they say, Ukraine is the most advanced in the post-Soviet space, people there are by no means "quilted jackets" and "sovoks", gay Europeans know the real history even without five minutes, but ... Russia and Putin personally interfere. Yes Etc. etc.
              They need to be treated, and as it should, they already wrote here.
            3. +1
              12 May 2014 11: 03
              There is no such nationality! As, indeed, Belarusians, for all these are Russian people in essence. Of course, this is a strictly scientific conclusion that does not take into account political and historical development. And where there is politics, interests and lies prevail there.
          2. Erg
            +12
            11 May 2014 13: 35
            I periodically watch Ukrainian channels. For me it’s like going to the zoo. But seriously, in order not to lose vigilance. You need to know a lot about the enemy, this is part of the force. And I also want to note. Education and horizons, based on their own desire for this, do not allow the adversary to distort our soul. A person easily turns into a vegetable if he does not make an effort towards enlightenment. I didn’t want to offend anyone
            1. Roshchin
              +2
              12 May 2014 13: 31
              And I also watch Russian channels from time to time. For me, in most cases, this is like a trip to the world of vulgarity, deceit, fooling, slandering our country and its history. Instead of normal people doing useful things, there are endless pusi rights, Polonsk, bulk, posners, houses-2, etc. This is done not out of thoughtlessness, but by design. Nostalgia for ears of corn and grain and legumes, rolling mills and news from the fields. A pleasant exception is Russia 24, RT and some programs from other channels. But even the coverage of the latest events in the South-East is done somehow awkwardly: endless repetitions of the same stories and rumors under the guise of efficiency. Who is it for? There are few opinions and stories about the real participants in the events: residents, militias, captured soldiers of the Ukrainian army and mercenaries (show them at last). So that in Russia we will not let the adversary distort our soul
          3. +16
            11 May 2014 16: 14
            Quote: Alekseev
            What in the USSR was not carried out propaganda for the Soviet government and the Communist Party?
            And what came of it ...

            When he served in the army (DMB 82-84), often in the officer's hotel they played preference. Among us were officers of the Dnieper hoh-ly (Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava). So, after the third glass, they traditionally started their goat song: “Ukraine is rich, we have everything. But the Union (moskali) is robbing, they have eaten up all our lard, drank all the vodka, and cracked down on all the marvels. ” It was unpleasant for us to listen to this nonsense, we stopped inviting them. So they have it in the blood and very, very long time.
            1. +1
              11 May 2014 16: 52
              Want to add. Another purely Ukrainian feature: - "if I can't eat, then I will have a snack."
              1. +5
                11 May 2014 18: 28
                More precisely - "sho ne zim, te nadkusuyu" (what I do not eat, then nadkusuyu). Unfortunately, redneck has become an acquired trait of "ukroharaktera". While the future "Okraintsy" were Little Russians, everything was much cleaner and better. I speak as a Little Russian Slobozhan.
              2. 0
                11 May 2014 20: 18
                Do not bite, so bite! You see, everyone knows this, in all parts of the world!
          4. raf
            +2
            11 May 2014 19: 47
            In the USSR, there was agitation, let it be known to you, Mr. Alekseev, for the Soviet power, by the way, not the worst of the existing and existing ones. BUT, in the USSR and RUSSIA, national strife, nationalism, etc. have never been promoted. But what "wonderful "We see the picture now in Ukraine.
        4. Georgich
          +10
          11 May 2014 10: 45
          Who served in the Soviet Army urgent, I think, will agree. What is listed above does not diminish, nor add.
          1. pavlo
            +2
            11 May 2014 18: 28
            Arrogant to the ass-right then they said-without bast-what yuyuu without testicles.
          2. raf
            0
            11 May 2014 19: 51
            laughing That's for sure: without a tag, that help without printing.
        5. +14
          11 May 2014 11: 38
          Buran
          Firstly, the mentality of the west and east of Ukraine is radically different in general.
          Secondly, apologizing and telling Ukrainians nasty things, you, in fact, poured mud on yourself - Ukrainians are just part of the Russian people living in Ukraine.
          thirdly, total mass propaganda from anyone will make anyone. On the contrary, one should wonder why the Ukrainians have not yet completely turned into fascists — Hitler’s propaganda had much less time to completely lose the human face of a significant part of the Germans ....
          1. +1
            11 May 2014 16: 20
            Quote: smile
            Firstly, the mentality of the west and east of Ukraine is radically different in general.

            How do western Ukrainians differ from eastern ones? Westerners consider that the European Union should maintain them, while the Easterners consider that they should be maintained by a customs union, more precisely, Russia. Only that is the difference. It is regrettable to admit it, but the policy of Yanukovich and Co. is a mirror portrait of the East Ukrainian mentality. Before you get into this mess-Malasha, you need to think hard, otherwise you will get another Ruin, as it was the last time: http://topwar.ru/33813-perehod-kazachego-voyska-getmanschiny-na-moskovskuyu-sluz
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          2. lg41
            +1
            11 May 2014 23: 14
            You are absolutely right. For all three points. The third point is especially important. An important part of modern warfare is the information war. USA, waging an information war, destroyed Ukraine as a state, won a complete real victory. Russia needs to learn a lesson from this.
          3. Roshchin
            0
            12 May 2014 14: 00
            As Raikin used to say: "Jokes are jokes, but there can be children." So here too - propaganda by propaganda, but their own brains must also dwell somewhere. And information should be drawn not only from one, very muddy source, but also from cleaner ones. The same Internet, satellite TV, relatives on both sides of the border. And to call Russia a ray of light in the dark kingdom somehow does not work. Try to drive a few kilometers away from any major city and see who and how they live, what they do (we will not count the cottage settlements on the former fields). And the scale of theft and corruption in Russia amazes even people from the east. So, the difference between Russians and Ukrainians is not in the amount of gray matter in the brain, but in the amount of oil and gas
        6. Fin
          +4
          11 May 2014 11: 39
          Quote: Buran
          Let Ukrainians not be offended at me, but their mentality - greed, obstinacy, arrogance, is that in you, also plays a small role. On what by the way specialists mediators also play.

          That's right. And also a passion for freebies and to mingle. They never admit their mistake until they feel it on the hump. In the fall, universal insight will come, except for Svidomo.
          1. +4
            11 May 2014 16: 57
            Yes, autumn will dot and dot. Still, the pipe must be closed, finish the freebie. negative
        7. +8
          11 May 2014 12: 35
          About 30 years ago I witnessed such a scene: a battered Polish runabout with rags stopped on the highway on the way to the Carpathians. So immediately a little further a Ukrainian car stopped, a well-fed husband and wife jumped out of it (a husband with a wallet in hand) and ran to the Polish car to "buy something." So I still have this scene in my memory, because it is too symbolic for a certain mentality that developed back in Soviet times. Alas, it all starts small. Even then, a person was assessed as follows: MAE chi is not May (has money or not).
        8. +5
          11 May 2014 15: 25
          I almost agree
          Today, we can confidently state the fact that the war for the brains of Ukrainian inhabitants was lost with a bang

          You can’t lose the war for what is not (And judging by the behavior of the majority of the population, there is nothing to lose there). My stepfather almost stopped talking with his sister and nephews in the Vinnitsa region .; the parents of his wife’s close friend (originally from Khmelnitsk) also stopped communicating with their relatives who remained in Ukraine. It will be more accurate to say in both cases the Ukrainian side of the relatives ceased to communicate; the initiative for breaking the relations occurred in both cases on the other side. The reason is the same as the author mentions in the text - a complete misunderstanding of what is happening and rejection of everything connected with Russia.
          How did it happen that such a big and beautiful people turned into a flock, driven by a gang that seized power?

          the question arises - "Was there a boy?"
          And there was no single people (for those who dare to see the definition of "people".
          In general, I look at today's events from the other side, as a test, a battle test, which most of the Ukrainian population failed miserably. Know this and be.
        9. the same cat
          +10
          11 May 2014 17: 08
          Correctly you have listed all the signs of parochialism + "vrats - not to confess"
          The directors of this action were originally from Austria-Hungary and more than a hundred years ago they conceived ANTIROSSIA, and the current ones only picked it up. And the more mediocre a person, the more complaints he has for everyone and he lives with resentments, past, present and nurturing the future. After all, it is much easier than working productively.
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        11. +3
          11 May 2014 22: 11
          Quote: Buran
          but also their mentality - greed, obstinacy, arrogance,


          I will also add that Ukrainian identity since the collapse of the USSR was of a mythological nature. Back in 1994, one "independent" one proved to me that some hetman had laid a couple of barrels of gold in the Bank of England, and now everyone can live comfortably for interest for interest. The funny thing is that it is of some kind of clinical nature.
          Crimea is "our". Gas is almost "ours". Happiness is just about, and we'll grab it. And they don't even look at underfoot - they lifted their nose and look at the sky. They are looking for happiness.
          .
        12. +4
          11 May 2014 22: 59
          Buran, you very rightly noticed. In Ukraine, there has always been a certain obstinacy, a conviction of one’s own rightness in everything. I do not know such a case that in the conversation about relations between Russia and Ukraine, Ukrainians conceded: no, Russia is always to blame. Back in the late 90s, when a house was blown up in Pechatniki, my relatives (who live in Ukraine) convinced me that the evil Putin with far-reaching plans had arranged it. Brad, but they believed in him, even then. It seems that the more absurd the situation, the more faith they have in this ...
          For more than 30 years, in my memory, the West worked on Ukraine: the Voice of America, the Air Force and other Western media, hammered into the heads of Ukrainians that they are so great that the RSFSR takes away all the best from the Ukrainian SSR. These great ones, in pursuit of Western values, got a complete fascist set as a result!
        13. l0672435109
          -5
          12 May 2014 00: 33
          Yes, this is your soviet mentality. Do not fuck all in one pile to sculpt. Putin is afraid of fire like a prosperous (in the future) Ukraine. And you are all here to give him a little nonsense. Either say that there is no such people as Ukrainians, then you declare that he has some special mentality. And you just look at yourself and see in yourself both greed and imperial arrogance (they say Russian is a big brother and the rest is such a trifle)
        14. +1
          12 May 2014 03: 24
          This mainly refers to the people of Kiev. The guys just snickered, as we have some Muscovites in Russia.
        15. 0
          12 May 2014 07: 41
          There is such a thing: But not winters, I’ll bite you!
        16. 0
          12 May 2014 16: 51
          And envy turning into hatred ... and ignorance.
        17. 0
          13 May 2014 17: 15
          when born - a Jew cried (an old Russian proverb)
      2. +9
        11 May 2014 06: 35
        Well, at the end of the article, as they say, "The goals are indicated, the photo is provided." God forbid that the hand would not flinch.
        1. +3
          11 May 2014 20: 05
          Quote: General Frost
          photo provided

          Illustrations. The book "Bomber of the Eastern Front. 1945. Agony of the Third Reich" - Paul Born.
        2. +7
          11 May 2014 20: 08
          Quote: General Frost
          Goals are indicated.

          Goal number 2
          1. +4
            11 May 2014 20: 16
            Quote: PATTIY
            Quote: General Frost
            Goals are indicated.

            Goal number 1
      3. Varangian
        +30
        11 May 2014 06: 52
        The fact is that nobody needs the truth ... and I agree with the author, how the consciousness of people has changed dramatically. Sam from Crimea, so my friends (former) from Kiev, they don’t understand ... no, they don’t want to understand what is happening. ..That I personally became a traitor for them, although that year they came to rest with us. Together they ate vodka and kissed the gums, and now they are a traitor to the Motherland ... Although I myself am Russian, and we served first the union, and then Russia , and moved to Crimea, because he is Russian ... So what's the betrayal? I’m probably standing in a ski boot, I don’t go skiing, I’m ....
      4. Children BuryKonya
        +12
        11 May 2014 07: 05
        In any war, the first victim is truth (s)

        Will it succeed ..
      5. +10
        11 May 2014 07: 18
        It is very easy for ordinary people, the bulk, to put any shnyag into their heads.
        Especially with the prohibition of freedom of speech, as in Ukraine.
        It can not be in any other way.
        Not a loss, purely Ukrainians blocked our media, but they untied their hands with their own and put them above morality.
        1. On the bayonet
          +17
          11 May 2014 09: 35
          The article is "thin", it shows us that the human brain, both in Ukraine and in Russia and throughout the world, is like plasticine, after all, after reading this article, even some of us, comrades, judging by the comments, believed that information war lost and are forced to look for or justifications "how did it happen" and find a "natural" explanation for this for themselves (from external black forces to the weakness of our information forces). But it is important to understand that, despite the available Power of TRUTH on our part, we too easily lose confidence in our strength, unreasonably, relying only on a few special cases among the author's acquaintances. Here he is "plasticine" in action! I believe that there are thousands of times more intelligent and understanding people in the former Ukraine than ultra-right-minded people, but the mentality "my house is on the edge" prevents them from openly expressing their true desires and standing up for a just cause against the fascists. Morality! Let us and you and I will not soften our brains to the state of "plasticine" relying on this or that information! We believe in the Power of Good, we believe that the Truth is ours and we will still defeat the fascist bastard always and everywhere! In the age of modern communications, we ourselves are obliged to bring our Truth to the consciousness of Mankind, and not wait for someone to do it for us. PS I do not want to offend or belittle anyone's innermost thought. It's important to be strong! After all, a real war is going on and there is no room for weakness.
          1. +3
            11 May 2014 10: 21
            not lost, but the positional deadlock, it will hold somewhere until the fall, then ukraim will have to do something and choose with whom they are or die and freeze, Europe will throw them how to drink while holding the team to the foot with small handouts but this applies to those who are on top but the rest will have to be very shitty, then Russia can start an information war, although not everything is good in our country, but we have stability and a shortage of workers
            1. +4
              11 May 2014 11: 39
              I’m afraid that Russia will be at an impasse by fall if nothing changes. Under the agreement, gas should be delivered to Poland and Slovakia, only there it was measured and calculated. And Europeans directly say that theft in Ukraine is a problem for the Russian Federation. Europeans also do not want to revise the treaty, why do they need someone else's headache ... So Russia will have to pump all the gas that Europe buys, plus all that Ukraine will “intercept”. And what can I do - I won’t put my mind to it, It is better for Putin and Miller to draw up contracts for the future, probably.
              1. +2
                11 May 2014 14: 31
                I think they will go in Europe to change the conditions "to Poland". They will have no other choice. The South Stream is under construction - there will be even fewer problems. Everything will be fine. I believe.
              2. +2
                11 May 2014 19: 15
                Quote: cokolkz
                Under the agreement, gas should be delivered to Poland and Slovakia, only there it was measured and calculated.

                Well, probably yes, but there’s force majeure and many other factors. In addition, the transit has already been paid, that is, they have taken the money, which means they have undertaken to complete the work.
                By the way, Yamal-Europe also passes through Poland. And in the Czech Republic, it is possible to pump from Germany, the Nord Stream is barely half loaded due to the position of the geyropa (3 energy packages are also afraid of Ukrainian puppets)
                But the main thing is not the intricacies of contracts. Main condition not changed - Europe really needs gas!
                Therefore, most likely, Nord Stream will be loaded to the fullest, and dill will be forced to transit, and money will be given, and the South Stream will be built. Gazprom, most likely, in order not to aggravate it, will slightly lower the price.
                And now, as a condition for successful negotiations on gas and everything, we must defeat the Banderlog army in the Donbass.
                And in Normadia in June, GDP will already be put up with the EU and the USA.
                May be so...
              3. Kassandra
                0
                12 May 2014 00: 47
                and if Ukraine will take 9/10 gas?
                revise the contract and all matters if Europe needs gas
                it’s not needed - we will build the greenhouses themselves and we will build them up.
              4. +1
                12 May 2014 14: 44
                Well, we know what to do. Ukraine steals - the problem of the European Union. And only so. Not a cube from the top. Autumn is a wonderful time. In the cold, Europe will be more accommodating.
                1. 0
                  13 May 2014 14: 52
                  Russia must firmly adhere to the fact that transit has been paid for, therefore, the "democracies" have further problems. They will scream - scream! There is a way to get rid of thieves - YOU were OFFERED. Let them freeze - there is no choice.
        2. Anastasios
          +33
          11 May 2014 09: 43
          In Ukraine, a unique revolution took place, where the rich robbed the poor, and with their own hands raised money for another revolution so that the oligarchs came to power. Then these same oligarchs again raised money from the poor for the army, so that later they could send this army to the same poor.
          The history of such examples does not know.
          Here it is, damn it, dialectics ...
          1. +2
            11 May 2014 11: 03
            Quote: Anastas
            The history of such examples does not know.

            very accurately noticed.
          2. +4
            11 May 2014 17: 11
            Hands splash !!! Further, these same oligarchs will tear off the people from below to bury the representatives of the same people killed by them (oligarchs). In how. fool
          3. 0
            11 May 2014 21: 32
            By the way, I already read it in comments, it is well said, but it seems to me someone else, sorry if I'm not right.
          4. Kassandra
            0
            12 May 2014 00: 36
            diaNetics, in fact, and other brain dislocating sects
      6. +27
        11 May 2014 08: 24
        Drug addicts all over the world are interested in: “Where does Ukraine take such nonsense? !!”
        1. +2
          11 May 2014 12: 08
          Give drug addicts: Russian gas from the pipe. On a cube in a snout. For the night.
      7. +1
        11 May 2014 09: 21
        ....To each his own....
      8. +3
        11 May 2014 12: 06
        Little blood - hardly. How much it took to beat the fascist dope out of their heads. And even then they didn’t completely knock it out, there were bastards.
        1. +6
          11 May 2014 17: 13
          Yeah. Minus one to grandfathers.
      9. wax
        +5
        11 May 2014 12: 31
        It’s not entirely true, because Ukraine simply blocked information flows: nothing comes to the layman, except for what the junta says, having adopted the lies and provocations, and purchased media. The American total media control project is being tested in practice. What happened makes us wonder what to do when it becomes impossible to convey true visual information to the public when blocking data transmission channels. Apparently, you just need to destroy the totalitarian system of misinformation using space-based means of control and suppression of signals. The media is becoming a weapon of mass destruction. And this is a new factor in world conflicts.
      10. +2
        11 May 2014 12: 34
        ..lose an information war, but lose territory ..
        Why lose the information war?
        Almost 80% of the economy (and this is the basis of the state), 100% of the media (and especially TV is the main means of zombifying the masses), power is in the hands of a certain national group far from national interests and, most importantly, from the needs of ordinary people ..
      11. +1
        11 May 2014 13: 01
        This is the reason. I hope that all the nonsense driven into the brains of the layman can be beaten out with little blood. [/ Quote]

        It will not work, because even in Russia - the Ukrainians brothers, having talked with relatives from Ukraine, call the Russian aggressors and yam.
      12. +2
        11 May 2014 13: 02
        Quote: Kuygorozhik
        This is the reason. I hope that all the nonsense driven into the brains of the average man will be able to get out with little blood.

        As I wrote twice in my comments, that the amount of blood spilled in Ukraine should go into quality only when this happens? God grant that the examples given in the article relate to a clear minority of the Ukrainian people. One thing is clear that if Bandera finally comes to power, then it will not seem to anyone, but it will be later, but for now, most people remain neutral, unfortunately.
        1. Kassandra
          0
          12 May 2014 00: 59
          why for?
          it just has to pour as much as possible. and then the Russian one should start pouring,
          otherwise it would have been just a preemptive introduction of the MS at the end of April when Shoigu had "warned".
      13. +6
        11 May 2014 13: 50
        Quote: Kuygorozhik
        The most annoying thing is that the one who tells the truth always loses in the information war; he is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything

        Truth in the cube! hi Tomu Shackley confession. You can’t say more accurately, you just have to express your opinion:
      14. +1
        11 May 2014 16: 50
        By the way, speaking brains mean animals, people have a mind or consciousness, something like that.
      15. +3
        11 May 2014 20: 54
        In Ukraine, soft power tools were used. And we lost the first round. But who said that soft power is stronger than brute force. Here blood came to the Southeast, and the suffering and brains of the average man quickly cleared of filth. Starting in June, we (and the IMF) will use our brute-force instruments: we will close gas, push us to default, lower our pensions, raise our service fees, push our prices up, and six months later, central Ukraine will start to think differently. Lenin also said that being determines consciousness. Not some media phantoms.
        1. 0
          11 May 2014 21: 03
          Quote: Jurkovs
          Lenin also said that being determines consciousness. Not some media phantoms.

          No, this is from the introduction to Karl Marx's “Critique of Political Economy” (1859): “It is not the consciousness of people that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.”
      16. 0
        11 May 2014 23: 31
        The advice is simple - I just don’t have a TV (I don’t understand what I’m buying or I don’t understand yet)).
        I’m watching: Vesti24,1,2, sport - simply through Yandex having typed in a search engine a query - these channels have powerful Internet online broadcasting.
        Somehow hi
      17. faint93
        +1
        12 May 2014 04: 55
        Once, a very smart doctor came up with the idea of ​​Big Vraka. That is, if you lie on a small scale, there is a person who is not too lazy to check everything. And such a turn can have very unpleasant consequences. Therefore, you need to lie all the time, not stopping, then people, most likely, at least in something you will believe. For some reason, it is believed that you can’t lie constantly. And when a person wants to believe something, he will always find what.
      18. 0
        12 May 2014 05: 51
        "The most annoying thing is that the one who tells the truth always loses in the information war. He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything" Sheckley

        I absolutely agree.
      19. 0
        12 May 2014 09: 37
        Quote: Kuygorozhik
        "The most offensive thing is that the one who tells the truth always loses in an information war. He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything."

        And again I will quote the words from Vysotsky’s song:
        "The pure truth will triumph someday!
        If he does the same as a blatant lie! "
        Ukraine has once again proved that good must be with strong fists, and the truth - with a tinned throat.
        But what kind of "lost war for brains" are we talking about? War means at least two "armies" at war. On the territory of Ukraine there is one "army" - the Ukrainian media, where is the second? There is not only another "army" there, even small "partisan detachments" are not to be heard there. Now each "army" is drooling strictly on its territory, and the people are drowning in the saliva of their "armies". Here is the question of how to make these "armies" come together in a real "battle", and then we will see who will lose and who will win this "war".
      20. +1
        12 May 2014 11: 19
        or maybe we don’t need their brains. Maybe we better stop supplying free gas and instruct more Iskanders, Poplars and Satans. In my opinion, this will affect the brains of all neighbors better than our attempts to appeal to their minds.
      21. 0
        12 May 2014 15: 49
        My friends from Melitopol also don’t speak with me, they say that Russian fascists ....
        But in that year they drank vodka in my Tula and said that it would be nice to be together ... and this is less than a year.
      22. 0
        13 May 2014 13: 24
        It is hard to believe that adults and literate people believe in this SLAG sincerely ..... how is this so? I myself am from Western Siberia, from Tyumen, so my heart bleeds when I see that these subhuman junts (without the letter n) are doing with the people ... just for the money .... I wanted to write an abusive word right now ... at first I couldn’t pick it up, then it came to the realization that these are not worthy (: *:?:% of Russian words, even if they accuse me, but I believe that the Rus’s memory will wake up and they will repent, and we will forgive and without blaming accept without words just accept. With God, Russia
      23. 0
        13 May 2014 17: 18
        In my opinion, from the Bible: Once you lied - who will believe you?
    2. bigELDAK
      +1
      11 May 2014 10: 16
      real-time propaganda-read the comments of all invite to contribute (VIEW ON YOUTUBE)
      1. Leah
        +2
        11 May 2014 12: 36
        Comments are now disabled
        I killed the comment that there are no Banderas in Ukraine and they do not exist ... Bandera, not Bandera, whatever you call it, but right-wing radical nationalists who, judging by their slogans and chants, all are looking for some kind of enemies and yearn for their death, as if they exist ... And people in Ukraine do not see them, they just perceive them as a circus .. A friend is in Dnepropetrovsk, she told her that they had a march in Ukraine in honor of the creation of the ss chalicin, I ask: "Some of you have absolutely chtoli there ... ? " Answer: "Yes, it's just that, presentation, masquerading is simple"
      2. Erg
        +3
        11 May 2014 14: 45
        It was very amusing. Thank. What a pity for them all (TVshnikov). Once again convinced that you need to think with your head. I can once bear these reports to dust, but I do not want to waste time. Is it hard to call your east? Can it be hard to look out the window? Or look into your pocket, what’s there? Is there any pride in their armed forces? Aw, where are you, defenders of the reed? What can Ukrainians be proud of now? No one has plates to watch Crimea? Is it unnoticed that areas are running? Out of memory, in the end, what is the west? Is the point of no return passed, and again we must go to first grade ... Yes ... All this would be ridiculous, if it were not so sad ...
        1. +3
          11 May 2014 16: 52
          It’s especially enchanting how they stole an old machine gun from somewhere, and they say that this is a special forces weapon. I'm crying laughing
      3. +1
        11 May 2014 15: 42
        The very thing that Venediktov from the "ear of matzo" lowered below the plinth. But he warned them.
    3. +3
      11 May 2014 13: 07
      It is a mistake to think that soon propaganda is valid only in recent months. All 23 of the year, a lie about us and the propaganda of Svidomo nationalism poured into the heads of Ukrainians. Read what Ukrainians wrote on the networks about us in 2010 .....
      http://politobzor.net/show-21056-chto-pisali-ukrainskie-blogery-o-rossii-i-russk
      ih-v-2010m-godu.html
      1. +5
        11 May 2014 16: 36
        Quote: Ross
        It’s a mistake to think that propaganda is fond of acting only in recent months. All 23 of the year, Ukrainian propaganda has been filled with lies about us and the propaganda of Svidom nationalism.

        And indeed in the perestroika contusion of very many. A contusion is a severe injury, moving away from it for years, decades. I am pleased to observe people in Russia, many have moved away from the concussion, that is, from the once adored pseudo-ideals of perestroika. The misfortune of Ukraine and the Ukrainians is that their contusion was long before perestroika and the contusion is permanent and not passing. I was on a business trip in 90 for quite a long time, and not in any Western woman, but in Debaltseve. It is in the east of Ukraine, almost on the Russian border, and personally witnessed how they were preparing for independence. Simple laborers and engineers from the repair plant, mostly with Russian surnames, but with a hoh-lyatskoy soul. What I have not heard enough from them: we both nibbled them, didn’t give development, and don’t give resources, generally enslaved culturally, ideologically and economically. Now, if they are independent, they will rush into the future with leaps and bounds and they will prosper. And only a few doubted it. From morning to evening, discussions took place between the majestic, long-haired kobzar in embroidered shirts and unconvincing goggles who doubted. The spectacles muttered that without Russia they would have no resources and the industry would die. And the kobzari interrupted them in mid-sentence and spoke. Shut up Mos-Cal. You do not know the latest achievements of Ukrainian geological science. We have found countless deposits of gas, oil, ores, and listed the province where all this is. And damned Moskali do not allow them to develop, because they keep Ukraine in a black body. But when the kobzar declared that a kimberlite pipe was found in the Poltava province, I began to laugh and realized that he had distorted it. But what was my surprise when in the morning at the factory in KB I saw that no one was working, but they were discussing this nonsense, including about the kimberlite pipe. It was then that I realized that they were contused to the whole head and incurable, and their whole unattractive history is the rule, and Pereyaslavskaya Rada and B. Khmelnitsky are an exception. After that, there was more than once in Ukraine. Frankly, the changes in the souls are essentially small. The accent has changed, but still we are to blame for everything, that is, moskali. Only now, for leaving them, we do not help, do not keep and do not give gas for free. And now it's still getting worse. I do not strongly believe that the situation in the southeast is different than in the Dnieper region and in Zapadenschina. I suspect that our allies are not at all the majority there, this is not the Crimea. However, in two areas today a referendum, tomorrow we will find out the result.
    4. +1
      11 May 2014 14: 19
      What variant of the collapse of Ukraine would Turchynov and Yatsenyuk prefer? ("NATIONAL IDEA", Armenia)
      Artem Khachaturian (Արտյոմ Խաչատրյան)

      "" the two options for actions at the disposal of the Ukrainian authorities are obvious. The first of them is the continuation of the punitive operation to the very end in order to preserve the integrity of the Ukrainian state. The second is the rejection of the punitive operation and the beginning of negotiations with the South-East of the country for the same purpose.
      ... the state of the Ukrainian authorities as two drops of water is similar to the situation of Mikhail Gorbachev in 1991. Then the last Soviet leader also faced a dilemma: either by force to maintain the unity of the state, or by persuasion and requests. Gorbachev chose the second option and involuntarily buried the Soviet Union, thereby avoiding much blood and curses against him. Now the word and deed are behind the new Ukrainian leaders; let's see which option of the collapse of their state they prefer.

      Postscript

      If I were Yatsenyuk and Turchynov, with a pain in my heart, I would simply leave Ukraine, having previously sent the stolen goods to reliable countries (if any). This is certainly much better than fighting for the rest of your life for a dead cause. I believe they will also understand over time that maintaining the integrity of Ukraine is tantamount to reviving the body after biological death. It is sad to state, but it is a fact, this is exactly what they ordered from above. ""

      http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20140511/220190902.html#ixzz31OuBNpDt
    5. +3
      11 May 2014 17: 48
      A month ago, the people of Kiev came to our plant (equipment maintenance). the first question was: "Where are the" polite people "" The question was explained by the fact that, according to rumors, "there" in the Crimea there is an automatic machine around every corner.
    6. 0
      13 May 2014 15: 59
      there is no respected fundamental rift between us and the halls .. lay much earlier and deeper .. we all who served and communicated with these people, have long understood what abyss besides the language lies ...
  2. +6
    11 May 2014 06: 12
    if you look into the abyss for a long time, then the abyss will look at you
    1. +34
      11 May 2014 06: 15
      Was there a warrior for brains in Ukraine?
      And without a TV, the sea of ​​information on the Internet, everyone chooses the truth that he likes.
      A person wants to consider Bandera a hero, he considers him a hero, but does not want to, convince him to hell.
      1. +6
        11 May 2014 06: 34
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And without a TV, the sea of ​​information on the Internet, everyone chooses the truth that he likes.


        Not everyone has an Internet. Most, especially the older generation, take information from TV or radio.
        1. +11
          11 May 2014 06: 49
          Quote: mamont5
          Most, especially the older generation, take information from TV or radio.

          The older generation with St. George ribbons in Ukraine walks in spite of everything pouring from the TV, and young people have an Internet, but no brains hi
          1. +7
            11 May 2014 08: 59
            The saddest in Ukraine are circus clowns: politicians are taking away all the bread from them.
            1. Anastasios
              +10
              11 May 2014 09: 44
              For a reliable crossing of the Ukrainian border, a rope must be presented instead of a passport.
        2. +3
          11 May 2014 12: 17
          So the older generation knows the truth about the war, and about the Bandera people. It is more difficult for them to fool their heads than young people who for 20 years have heard nothing but lies. How can you tell the truth from the lie if there is nothing to compare with? If the only point of view is voiced, which is "correct"?
          1. Erg
            +2
            11 May 2014 14: 58
            I have always said that education and education are completely different concepts ... it turns out that with the people, like the Spaniards with the natives? For mirrors fooled? Well, I can’t believe it. Well not all the asses
        3. Erg
          0
          11 May 2014 14: 32
          The older generation must remember the USSR. Really forgot ...
          1. +14
            11 May 2014 17: 18
            Well, that is unlikely. soldier
      2. +15
        11 May 2014 08: 40
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        A person wants to consider Bandera a hero, he considers him a hero, but does not want to, convince him to hell.

        This is true for the older generation, but not for the younger! They inspire them at school, inspire them on TV, on the same Internet. And yet, since this idea is being diligently introduced now, the war is on, and has not yet been lost!
        This is what "our authorities" said on Victory Day ...

        "... the prime minister of Ukraine Yatsenyuk in the heat of patriotic feelings he called Ukraine “one of the founding countries of the UN,” while the Prime Minister did not consider it necessary to mention the role of the USSR in the creation of this organization. “I ask you to refrain from any mass actions, and if you participate in them, do not succumb to provocations” - Concerned about maintaining public order in the country on May 9, Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

        His appeal was immediately followed by the MP Vladimir Aryev, calling the people who consider the guards tape a symbol of victory over fascism in World War II, provocateurs. Further, apparently, having a taste, Arseniy Petrovich outlined his vision, as a representative of the highest echelon of power, of the processes taking place in the south-east of Ukraine, in particular, the conduct of the anti-terrorist operation. “The anti-terrorist operation, which takes place in the Donetsk region and where our soldiers demonstrate the same valor as their grandfathers and great-grandfathers in the Red Army or UPA, is directed exclusively against terrorists” - emphasized the prime minister.
        1. +12
          11 May 2014 08: 42
          Quote: Egoza
          people who consider the guards tape a symbol of victory over fascism in World War II, provocateurs.

          And this is how people respond ...
          Dnepropetrovsk
          Rally near the Glory Monument






          1. +4
            11 May 2014 09: 57
            Hello.
            Lena, thanks for the always interesting information.
            Judging by these photos, all is still not lost. And on the topic, a lot of things have already been said everywhere, but I will remain with everyone choosing the truth that he needs, convenient, like (emphasize the necessary).
            1. +1
              11 May 2014 10: 25
              In pursuit of the fact that not everything is lost yet
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ymTcpRk_U
            2. Erg
              0
              11 May 2014 15: 02
              You forgot the bitter one. Or you don't like it. Yours faithfully
        2. +6
          11 May 2014 17: 24
          Elena, what can you expect from an idiot. Write it in Ukraine. And here is what the idol of Maidannikov said:
  3. Evgtan
    +43
    11 May 2014 06: 16
    In Ukraine, a unique revolution took place, where the rich robbed the poor, and with their own hands raised money for another revolution so that the oligarchs came to power. Then these same oligarchs again raised money from the poor for the army, so that later they could send this army to the same poor.
    The history of such examples does not know.
    Here it is, damn it, dialectics ...
    1. +8
      11 May 2014 06: 36
      Quote: EvgTan
      The history of such examples does not know.
      Oh come on ... Ukraine returned to the MIDDLE AGES, and in those days it was the ORDINARY ...
      1. +5
        11 May 2014 10: 25
        Ukraine did not leave the Middle Ages, never. The psychology of the farmer.
        She still lives with myths from the Middle Ages.
        1. +1
          11 May 2014 14: 51
          Quote: Turkir
          Ukraine did not leave the Middle Ages, never. The psychology of the farmer.
          Well, why in the days of the USSR they made a big leap from the Middle Ages, developing science and high-tech industries ... but with their collapse, they began to dehydrate quickly ...
          1. +4
            11 May 2014 22: 05
            Yes, but this is not only the merit of Ukraine, even more likely the merit of Ukraine, and moreover, Kiev's nanny, Moscow, always howled. Where plans were made, "gingerbread" was distributed and the opal came from there. I will even say more - if Moscow was in charge now, none of this would have happened.
    2. +3
      11 May 2014 07: 22
      Quote: EvgTan
      The history of such examples does not know.

      Quote: svp67
      Oh come on ... Ukraine has returned to the Middle Ages

      And the "revolution" is not over yet ...
    3. Strezhevsky
      +5
      11 May 2014 07: 31
      Here, the Dulles technique is right ..... united the people under a common hatred of almost themselves, the sad thing is that people with great pleasure go for it, the hangover will be very difficult.
      1. Erg
        0
        11 May 2014 15: 06
        In general, I am "interested" in looking at what will remain of the independent one. How will they live. Who will be chosen as leaders. Humanly scary for them
    4. 0
      11 May 2014 13: 35
      Quote: EvgTan
      In Ukraine, a unique revolution took place, where the rich robbed the poor, and with their own hands raised money for another revolution so that the oligarchs came to power. Then these same oligarchs again raised money from the poor for the army, so that later they could send this army to the same poor.
      The history of such examples does not know.
      Here it is, damn it, dialectics ...

      And we have? If it’s not exactly like in Ukraine, then, in many ways, it’s similar. Tighten your brains, bloggers! The only constant increase in excise taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel - there is a constant tax on us all, from those who have not yet been born and ending with those who have long been in the cemetery. And how much more was invented by our power-holders to rob us every second! So, there is nothing to nod at the mirror, if the faces themselves are crooked.
      1. -1
        11 May 2014 22: 30
        Minus.
        For the inability to separate flies from cutlets ...
    5. +3
      11 May 2014 22: 00
      Everything is very simple. When the people are looking for a way out in an armed uprising, an organization is urgently needed to lead this uprising. Remember the lessons of October 1917. This is the foundation. On the Maidan, those who considered themselves revolutionaries did not have such an organization. But there were already ready-made ones, such as "Right Sector", "Blow", "Freedom", which, naturally, took the opportunity to take the lead in order to gain real power. They all deeply relate to us. Their ideology does not allow them to reckon with the opinion of the opposite side: Either jump or "m.s.k.a.l.l." The entire modern history of Ukraine was built on the confrontation of the Ukrainians with Russia. I'm not familiar with this by hearsay, tk. I have relatives and friends there, we did not interrupt the connection, we went to visit them and saw all these changes, like on a temporary tape in a history textbook. What we have at this time is a sad but logical result of the decomposition of our community. I do not include Zapadentsev in this essay. This is a different story, but superimposed on the current situation in Ukraine, aggravating it. Because Western so-called "heroes" were constantly pushed through the education of the whole of Ukraine for praise, and their numerous criminal actions were either hushed up or distorted to give them the features of a struggle against Bolshevism.
  4. +26
    11 May 2014 06: 25
    off topic but "Probably trying to save the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists blocked by the Syrian government forces in the Khandarat area (Aleppo), on the orders of MIT Turkish intelligence director Khakan Fidan and the notorious war criminal Recep Tayyip Erdogan, he tried to break into the area A Turkish military convoy, using HRF (Humanitarian Relief Foundation) equipment as cover, 4 trucks loaded with missiles, US-made small arms, ammunition, and accompanied by armed Turkish commandos, were heading towards the militants awaiting the continuation of Operation Canopus Star. Of course, the Turks did not conclude with the Syrian government and the military command on the delivery of the deadly cargo and the advance of the convoy through Syrian territory.

    As soon as the convoy approached the target at a distance of 7 km, the commander of the Syrian Air Force, Lieutenant General Issaam Hallaak ordered the destruction of the convoy. Combat aircraft deployed at the Kuwairis air base took seconds to reach the goal and complete the mission.

    The corpses of Turkish soldiers were identified by Syrian intelligence as part of a commando battalion seeking to attack the air defense command post in Handarat - the one that is blocking all operations of the Turkish Air Force in the area. Information about the military equipment of the air defense post in Khandarat was not disclosed. "
    1. +31
      11 May 2014 06: 51
      What can I say ...?
  5. +6
    11 May 2014 06: 33
    As one of the "leaders" of the Pravosek people said: "The greater the lie,
    the easier it is to believe in it. "
    Many, unfortunately, believe in what is comfortable for themselves to believe.
    1. +2
      11 May 2014 10: 26
      This is Goebbels said.
      1. +1
        11 May 2014 17: 27
        And Reagan quoted and confirmed.
  6. +5
    11 May 2014 06: 33
    "It's hard to judge what the secret is, but the media that support the Kiev junta have won a complete and unconditional victory over the mind and consciousness of an ordinary citizen."

    So they went to this 23 year. Gradually, the minds were zombified, and now all at once poured. Few people can withstand such a pressure. Now only gradual counter-propaganda.
    1. +5
      11 May 2014 08: 33
      "So they went to this for 23 years."
      Not 23 years old, but rather, my dad told me that when he served in the army, and this was the beginning of the 70s, they had a Komsomol (!) Ukrainian, so he already bazaar that Bandera was a national Urainsky hero.
      1. +29
        11 May 2014 08: 46
        I served with Bandera at the Central Exhibition Hall in 81-82.
        Even then, I was for them mos ...... b. (I got it for this word of bans).
        - Hang yourself, mos ..!
        - I’m from the Urals! (I naively believed that Muscovites are Mos ..., Siberians are Siberians, etc.)
        -One figs, hang yourself!
        Surname Komroty - Podprigora,
        sergeants - Davidyuk, Melnichuk, Tkachuk, etc.
        Hert - the brave, the lyuley piled on me. BUT....
        I took out a bayonet-knife and ... (dezh. Stood by the company)
        Blown away by the wind. And now their sons are reigning on the ball! Nude, nude ..... The one who laughs last laughs well. And our president does not so often publicly laugh. And if he laughs, then there is a reason ... hi
        1. +19
          11 May 2014 08: 53
          Quote: sscha
          Hurt - the brave

          Here you are 100% right
          "In Kiev, a tall man with a" St. George's ribbon "on the lapel of his jacket entered the metro carriage, a nervous whisper went through the carriage. Two guys are talking:" Oh, Colorado! " Well, fuck he provokes ?! Well, right now, he is being "piled on" - "That is not, this hefty one, they are not" piled on. "Indeed, a man with a ribbon is a natural grenadier, it is dangerous to get involved with such a person. call."

          And yet, Kiev residents came out to meet with the veterans, leading small children. What a joy it was for our liberators!
          So all is not lost!
      2. +7
        11 May 2014 10: 30
        Your father told the truth.
        I was in CA at the same time. Minister of Defense Grechko. All the sergeants in my division were Ukrainians, and half were Bandera. I had to lower one from the stairs. He did not understand another conversation.
        This thread stretches from the old days.
    2. +13
      11 May 2014 08: 49
      Quote: mamont5
      won a complete and unconditional victory over the mind and consciousness of the average man in the street. "

      Thank God not their complete victory! Otherwise, such letters would not have appeared ...

      Letter to Kharkovites and Odessa residents. Why is this all happening?
      Over the past 25 years, we have slowly destroyed our own hands with our own hands. We handed over entire factories to scrap metal, took huge ships abroad for pennies, plundered or simply indifferently buried entire industries, destroyed civilian and military education, replacing it with some cheap fake. We have practically forgotten how to produce and generally forgot what to create. We fled to gray or black import trading companies. Instead of rolling up our sleeves and rebuilding what was destroyed, we hid in shopping stalls and sell what others create. We cultivated a merchant, having driven creators, creators and hard workers underground, and accused them of not understanding anything in this life, calling them weaklings and cattle. We ruined the education of forced Ukrainization mixed with the idea of ​​mocking rejection of creation. They’ve killed so much that now there are practically no specialists in the real sector. How long will this go on? When will the understanding come that one cannot just show suicidal negligence in relation to one's future? What are Kharkovites and Odessans talking about now? I think that something like this: the West will give us credit and we will live happily; we don’t see a difference under which panels to work, if only we were left alone and we had enough money to fill the tank and buy a new gadget; why do we need to take care of creating our own know-how of the product, when you can go to the store and buy an inexpensive (in black imported) creation of someone else's thought.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/article-145179.html#title
  7. +5
    11 May 2014 06: 35
    That's right, and the trouble with our media is that they are very SLIMMED, and many of them work "unprofessionally" ... any business should be done by professionals, then the result will be.
  8. +19
    11 May 2014 06: 38
    It is necessary RT and broadcast to Ukraine
  9. +5
    11 May 2014 06: 39
    Losing the information war in Ukraine is logical. Young people using the Internet yet on the Maidan decided for WHOM they are. The older generation tends to trust the box (TV). Well, and by the box they show only THAT what they need to show. In addition, the information channels of the West also do not tell the whole truth, but condemn Russia.
    Bottom line: A different (relative to TV) position is the position exclusively Russian, and Russia is the enemy. So what do we want from a simple Ukrainian layman ???
    1. +4
      11 May 2014 13: 52
      Quote: Marconi41
      Losing the information war in Ukraine is logical. Young people using the Internet yet on the Maidan decided for WHOM they are. The older generation tends to trust the box (TV). Well, and by the box they show only THAT what they need to show. In addition, the information channels of the West also do not tell the whole truth, but condemn Russia.
      Bottom line: A different (relative to TV) position is the position exclusively Russian, and Russia is the enemy. So what do we want from a simple Ukrainian layman ???

      Losing yes .. I agree, The opinion that the one who tells the truth, loses, does not agree. In war, as in war, the Russian media is not the absolute truth in the last resort.
      It is necessary to conduct INFO war in Ukraine CORRECTLY. Avoiding failures (and in my memory there was already a loud failure with the "Odessa woman" who was in Kharkov and was everywhere and not only one failure), explaining the "defeats", looking for the opponent's failures and their nuances INFO war with the Ukrainian media.
      I believe that the Russian media lost to the Ukrainian not because of the truth (people see everything here and not in Russia) and not because of the beautiful lies of the Ukrainian media.
      Here are the wrong tricks (don’t think that I urge to lie to the Russian media as the Ukrainian do it right now, it makes me sick) of the Info War in Ukraine.
      Once again all the nuances are not taken into account .. incorrect organization, self-removal, etc. .. And the prohibition of the media is from powerlessness and lack of an opponent.
      The Ukrainian media took advantage of the impotence of the Russians on the Maidan (where it all began) and then turned all events into their own liability. They especially won in exposing the "setup" - the same "Odessa women", "Crimeans" and others ... And yes --- it was a provocation .. it was a defeat at which the Ukrainian media made a PR of the "falsity" of Russian news. Analysis of the "falsity" of the Ukrainian media has already started to trend - "this is said by the side that has already tarnished itself"
      In general, I can take a long time to parse the "debriefing" info of the war. But in order to conduct it correctly (mistakes will be and they are inevitable), it is necessary to create a Control Center, in addition to an Opinion Formation Center ... information weapons are capable of a lot ... I am sure that Russia has it (even though it is still in the process of becoming) or should be.
      The monopoly on "Pravda" --- will be only when you are trusted and verified and proven, they believe ..
      1. Erg
        0
        11 May 2014 15: 21
        Dear one, believe me - whatever happens in Ukraine fits into a clear concept of Russia's actions. Do you know how a tactician differs from a strategist? You draw (and quite rightly) to particulars, without noticing the main thing. And the caravan is on its way. And it goes where it should be. We here “below” cannot see the whole battlefield. We don't have all the information. But only a blind person does not notice the dynamics of the process, does not see the result that is already there. Trust the Strategist. Everything will be as we need it.
  10. +6
    11 May 2014 06: 43
    Alas .. ukroSMI under the leadership of their western curators actually won victory. Unfortunately, we have always been weak in information wars both during the Soviet era and pozdorozhno. I recently called my Kiev friend to wish him a happy birthday. By the way, not a Bandera member, even not Ukrainian. Born and raised in Siberia, the son of a serviceman, over 50, studied with him since the first grade. We left for Kiev back in 80 years. So I ask him how are you, and I hear in response: "We would have had everything it would be good if your Putin did not climb to us. " And it was simply impossible to convince him.
  11. +10
    11 May 2014 06: 47
    I'm sorry that I just want to show up on the topic. Did you see who won the Eurovision Song Contest? This is a disgrace !!! And these gays and trances teach us how to live! And sends observers !!! negative
    1. +11
      11 May 2014 08: 52
      Quote: fa2998
      I'm sorry that I just want to show up on the topic. Did you see who won the Eurovision Song Contest? This is a disgrace !!! And these gays and trances teach us how to live! And sends observers !!!

      And the fact that 22 European countries (I don’t want to write it with a capital letter) put 0 votes for the Tolmachev sisters, doesn’t you say anything? Terry Russophobia thrives in the West, which is hammered into the heads of the common man there. We need to stop taking part in this politicized booth.
      1. Leah
        +4
        11 May 2014 13: 06
        The image of a bearded woman against the image of innocence, tenderness and natural femininity .... Europe chose a woman with a beard - we draw conclusions ... They have already gone crazy with their tolerance there)) Shame alone. The thought of Sadom and Gomor comes to mind, soon God will have patience with God, he will definitely arrange a second lesson for them)))
        1. Erg
          0
          11 May 2014 15: 44
          I generally thought it was makeup. I nearly vomited ...
        2. Artem1967
          +1
          11 May 2014 17: 49
          Will not burst. Where was he, God, when people in Odessa were burned alive with "cocktails", when a pregnant woman was strangled with a wire, and below the crowd was neighing, hearing her screams? Only we ourselves can and must take revenge on these creatures. And God is sleeping, apparently.
      2. Artem1967
        +1
        11 May 2014 17: 42
        I was stunned myself when I found out the name of the Eurovision winner! We need to quit participating in this disgrace. Yes, and the campaign is censored there, darkened with voices. It cannot be that the Tolmachevs, beautiful girls, who sang a far from bad song in this booth, 22 countries rolled a "wheel". In short, we have our own songs, they have their own.
    2. walter_rus
      +1
      11 May 2014 12: 03
      European gentlemen prefer freaks .....
    3. +2
      11 May 2014 13: 11
      Why should RUSSIA participate in this dump of degradants?
    4. Erg
      0
      11 May 2014 15: 27
      Just IN TOPIC, friend. Go Ukraine!
  12. +3
    11 May 2014 06: 47
    When the erring ones find out the truth, they still will not admit that they are not right and will bite their elbows quietly.
  13. +7
    11 May 2014 06: 51
    I won’t beat you like that. If you read only this forum, you probably think that Ukraine is waiting for us with bread and bacon, and the end of America. Life experience shows that even in Soviet times no one in Russia and Ukraine I didn’t like it, and ordinary Russians were scornful towards us. Moreover, more than a generation of 35 and younger really understand Crimea as their territory (no matter what history says), so brainwashing took place not in the last 2 months. Yes, and who wants to see other people's tanks in in your garden .And here you can only hear screams, but now we’ll sweep everyone away, give a saber and a hat. Enough passed. In the 90s, P. Grachev also promised to take Yeltsin with one of the airborne regiments of Grozny. As a result, 2 wars, 6 thousand corpses . Therefore, Putin doesn’t come to them with tanks. They don’t wait for us there. And if you look at Vesti24 and read the info only here, you might think that Ukrainian girls were waiting for us with bouquets. Be realistic, enough to show pseudo-patriotism. You should love your homeland. And tie up to play tanks on the network, and then the hands are not itchy for some.
    1. walter_rus
      +5
      11 May 2014 12: 01
      When I studied in Kharkov in the last years of Soviet power, even then the society there was heterogeneous. On the one hand, the Banderaites, who, like a bad student from a joke, having learned one ticket, reduced any conversation to what kind of ancient culture the Ukrainians have and how they prevent ms from living. Others were supporters of the Russians, but they were not the majority either. And the bulk did not like Bandera, but they also distanced themselves from the Russians — like we ourselves. These, probably, now constitute the majority even in eastern Ukraine.
    2. sled beach
      -1
      11 May 2014 12: 09
      I’m watching the news and what you’re not talking about. Can you see what you want to see? Feelings always subordinate the mind, forcing it to move along a given channel (rock). Here we have discussed many times that the bulk of the population of Ukraine is silent, accepting as it is. And all in confusion and media in the same place, where did you see that they were waiting for us in Ukraine? For some reason I see the opposite in the news. Do you doubt our ability to die for our country? Mina for stupidity.
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    4. Erg
      +1
      11 May 2014 15: 39
      By the way, the site is not bad. Lots of smart people. You shouldn't be so. And what I want to say. Putin is not Yeltsin. Did not notice? And what about flowers ... So I remember how the southeast in the 90s shouted that "stop feeding m .... lei." It was ... Well, time slowly puts everything in its place. Yours faithfully
    5. 0
      13 May 2014 17: 24
      Quote: Fedor Boltov
      I won’t beat you like that. If you read only this forum, you probably think that Ukraine is waiting for us with bread and bacon, and the end of America. Life experience shows that even in Soviet times no one in Russia and Ukraine I didn’t like it, and ordinary Russians were scornful towards us. Moreover, more than a generation of 35 and younger really understand Crimea as their territory (no matter what history says), so brainwashing took place not in the last 2 months. Yes, and who wants to see other people's tanks in in your garden .And here you can only hear screams, but now we’ll sweep everyone away, give a saber and a hat. Enough passed. In the 90s, P. Grachev also promised to take Yeltsin with one of the airborne regiments of Grozny. As a result, 2 wars, 6 thousand corpses . Therefore, Putin doesn’t come to them with tanks. They don’t wait for us there. And if you look at Vesti24 and read the info only here, you might think that Ukrainian girls were waiting for us with bouquets. Be realistic, enough to show pseudo-patriotism. You should love your homeland. And tie up to play tanks on the network, and then the hands are not itchy for some.

      Thanks for the sensible words, I will subscribe to each phrase.
      Especially about the Ukrainians of Soviet times, as well as at the expense of pseudo-patriotism.
  14. +9
    11 May 2014 06: 51
    The total pro-Western liberal media, free from state control, for the sake of the "great" ideas of complete liberalism, fool people. And not only in Ukraine, in Russia too.
    Remember the 90s in Russia, for example, the 1st channel ORT (Public Radio and Television) EBNuty gave the oligarch Berezovsky, who fooled people in enlightening a "noble" capitalist "free" society of "equal" rights and opportunities.
    By the way, until now this channel is a pro-Western liberal: "entertaining", and in fact corrupting the people of Russia, distracts people from the essence and causes of the negative processes taking place in Russia. From this channel came posners, dorenks, sorokins and other liberal scum, promoting Western liberal values, for the sake of which Russia should "lie" under the Western model of democracy.
    What can I say about the Ukrainian media, struck by everything else Russophobic Bandera nationalism, considering Russia, Russian enemies. In my opinion, only a situation similar to the defeated Nazi Germany can correct a situation, when the German people, in order to get rid of Nazism, drank so much shit and blood that most Germans now turn back on fascist Nazi ideology.
    1. +1
      11 May 2014 07: 51
      About the German people, everything is more complicated ... After the war there was a long process of denazification ... And then they still have enough Nazis ...
      1. +8
        11 May 2014 08: 20
        Quote: Roman1970
        About the German people, everything is more complicated ... After the war there was a long process of denazification ... And then they still have enough Nazis ...

        But there, power is on guard.
        Familiar in Germany, typed in a search engine Mein Kampf.
        Immediately a text appeared on the screen, approximately of such meaning.
        The police of Baden-Württemberg warn of an illegal act. If the request is repeated, you will be invited to talk.
        And the government in Ukraine practically uses nationalist policies
        1. Erg
          +2
          11 May 2014 15: 49
          The Germans are not fools to swallow poison themselves. Scientists already. And why not send neighbors ... Look, Angelka is trying as hard as she does with Abamkai
          1. +1
            11 May 2014 17: 32
            Nothing, the Ukrainians will add yadka to them, when 4 nuclear power plants "bark", not without the participation of mattress mats, by the way. recourse
  15. +13
    11 May 2014 06: 57
    I tried to prove something to my friends from Ukraine on social networks, cited documentary evidence, tried to use logic, and the answer was either abuse or - Shut up, horde!
    1. +3
      11 May 2014 10: 37
      Brainless people only understand the language of power.
      Gas must be closed. Long.
      When in the morning the kettle has nothing to warm up, the brains begin to work in an enhanced mode. From intense mental work there will be many strokes. There is nothing to be done, they had to be trained at school.
      But Russia will be nicer. And much more.
      1. +10
        11 May 2014 10: 45
        Quote: Turkir
        When in the morning there’s nothing to warm up the kettle, the brains begin to work in enhanced mode

        And then everyone will begin to swear Russia! Well, she turned off the gas! No! here it is necessary to thinner, so that the people do not hurt, but the oligarchs crawled sideways! And, as I understand it, the Russian Federation acts like that.
        1. tokin1959
          +2
          11 May 2014 11: 15
          yes let them swear at first.
          then it may come.
          go to the store for fat with money, no money - no fat.
          so is the gas too.
          otherwise Moscow should give them a free gas.
          Go out for brushwood and boil the seagulls.
          pay, and you will get gas.
          they have "friends" in Europe, can they help?))))
          1. walter_rus
            +6
            11 May 2014 12: 28
            And by the method of gingerbread alone, gratitude cannot be earned. Let's remember when the USSR collapsed and Russia weakened, how many former "friends" whom we helped even to our own detriment began to spit at us. What is easy to get is not appreciated.
            1. 0
              11 May 2014 17: 37
              That's right, walter! We then regularly supplied gas. In short - how many wolves do not feed, he still looks into the forest. hi
          2. +1
            11 May 2014 13: 20
            Will not reach! Every year I went there, and every year it became harder and harder to watch all this. We do not know secret developments in the field of psychology. I do not exclude it.
        2. sled beach
          +2
          11 May 2014 12: 23
          I think you don’t underestimate the effectiveness of rudeness. Pain always sobers up, forcing the mind to look for a solution, how unpleasant it may sound. Symbiosis with worms cannot be arranged, some organism will wither away. Maybe this is what the United States wants: to hang Ukraine with a peon on the neck of Russia, minus to the economy. You need to take care of yourself, who is ready to die for the country and not undecided.
        3. Leah
          +3
          11 May 2014 13: 21
          http://www.rupor.info/glavnoe/2014/04/28/vodu-v-krym-perekryla-rossiya-fotofakt/

          Sashko himself shot himself with two shots, in Odessa people burned themselves, now Crimea has blocked its own water))) It's all Russia to blame for its aggression)))))
      2. +9
        11 May 2014 12: 59
        Quote: Turkir
        Brainless people only understand the language of power.

        From Rivne. Case immediately in fresh wake.
        The husband goes to work in Russia. A friend, Svidomo and independent, with all his friendship, and especially recently, he doesn’t forget to reproach him, that, they say, we are at war with them, and you work for themThere was a misfortune - a few weeks ago, a friend buried his mother, who, in fact, contained him, an unmarried unemployed, big-ass dunce. While the money was there, there was Svidomo and non-slander, hanging out on the local Maidan, talking about a happy, landless country that bloody Putin wants to destroy, as soon as it’s over, it doesn’t go off the phone, begs you to take it to work with you to Russia.
        Strength is different - therefore gas must be closed. Long.
        When in the morning the kettle has nothing to warm up, the brains begin to work in an enhanced mode.

        IMHO. Maybe, nevertheless, iodine deficiency determines the way of thinking? I remember that in schools under the USSR they simply fed us with antistrumine.
        1. Artem1967
          +1
          11 May 2014 18: 00
          Smiled, plus definitely! Can all the ardent zapadentsev come to us in Siberia for re-education? Enough space and work for everyone, and pay well. Wellcome, as they say!
      3. Varron
        0
        12 May 2014 17: 32
        Do not just again about the gas. ALL people living here will suffer from this (I am from Ukraine, Odessa). Not only do normal citizens endure constant confrontations with the Svidomites, we’ll also remain without gas. This issue must be resolved, of course, but neatly and professionally.
  16. +3
    11 May 2014 06: 57
    Swap tellys great
    Then the brains will be cleaned
  17. +2
    11 May 2014 07: 11
    When those astray learn the truth, there will be a bitter hangover.
  18. padonok.71
    +7
    11 May 2014 07: 13
    But look, if they recognize that the junta is fascists, that it is, it turns out that they themselves, with their own hands, brought them to power. And thus, they are not much different from them. I know that many normal people supported the Maidan (in the initial stages, for sure). And this is hard and embarrassing. Therefore, it is much easier to say that Putin and his oaths Katsapura are to blame, and they () are as if not at work, they are patriots. Therefore, many are deceiving themselves.
    1. +1
      11 May 2014 22: 13
      Yes, self-deception is one of the varieties of self-hypnosis and is a great force, but there is one flaw in all this - all adults must be responsible for their actions in one way or another. And there’s nowhere to go. If the junta answers through the tribunal for its crimes, the ordinary citizen will answer, perhaps with his life, perhaps with the lives of his children, the deterioration of living conditions, and there are still quite a few consequences that will be played out for them.
  19. ded10041948
    +2
    11 May 2014 07: 13
    And the principle "Who pays, he orders the tune" has not yet been canceled!
  20. +5
    11 May 2014 07: 25
    For more than 20 years, all this has been promoted starting from kindergarten, in schools, in universities. The whole, today its most active part, the generation absorbed this anti-Russian crap with mother's milk. So the information war is not suddenly lost.
    1. Erg
      +1
      11 May 2014 15: 54
      They will devour themselves. Nothing personal. History teaches ...
      1. +1
        11 May 2014 17: 38
        There is a guru who teaches a lot - "... the name of hunger ...". And if you also switch to firewood, then kerguda - extinguish the lamp.
      2. 0
        11 May 2014 17: 48
        I would say this: He who does not teach history is forced to walk in circles and to step on the same rake many times. laughing
        Author: People.
        Z.Y. And these rakes beat very hard. hi
  21. +10
    11 May 2014 07: 40
    Philistines rarely use logic and facts to form their own opinions. It’s much easier to live the way your uncle tells you on TV. While Ukrainians will be stubborn passive cattle-they will be nothing more than a stubborn passive cattle, which shred directly into the brain. To check additional sources of information, there is not enough traction or desire, apparently. What can I say, bravo 3.15ndos !!! The operation to educate a generation of Ukrainians hostile to Russia-performed on EXCELLENT!

    It is a pity that Mother Russia only began to deal with her Soros garbage. In Ukraine there was neither strength nor time. Alas. Moscow will have to work with new generations of Ukrainians. Current generations are lost. So they will live with a nail in a head called - Moscalephobia. Even if pravoseki will start raping them in the streets, they will think that they are agents of the Kremlin. Rams.
  22. Evgeniy.
    +4
    11 May 2014 07: 40
    Stronger is the one who is right. I think when everything is over people will understand and will be very sorry.
  23. +1
    11 May 2014 07: 48
    "I am painfully sorry that only time will give answers to these questions."

    not only time, but also the death of many, many lives, the awakening will be terrible, with a separation of the head.
  24. +5
    11 May 2014 07: 49
    I regularly watch Ukrainian TV (I live in St. Petersburg), it feels like nothing is happening at all. It seems that there was no Nazi coup and in the southeast a kind of gang like Makhno started up. Her (this gang) is actively strangled by the gallant Ukrainian paratroopers. They spin music and entertainment, but otherwise the beautiful marquise is all good, all is good. Delirium of course, but it should be noted that overseas PR specialists did a good job. It's a shame that people are killed by dozens. BTW BY THE DEPARTMENT OF THE US STATE DEPARTMENT THE BATTLE LOSSES DURING THE OPERATION IN IRAQ DECREASED BY 5 TIMES. LOSSES AMONG THE PEOPLE'S POPULATION 10 TIMES. So think about how many people died in Odessa? On the Maidan? In Kramatorsk? and how many people every day quietly cut and shoot every day in cities and towns that do not fall into the media? In a country where about three million trunks are in the hands of the population, banditry blooms in bloody color.
    1. +6
      11 May 2014 08: 28
      Mom called relatives in Chernihiv ... The result - RUSSIA is being accused - that it is climbing to Ukraine ... But they have not even heard about what is happening in the southeast !!!
    2. 0
      11 May 2014 10: 24
      I agree, I watch the truth online
  25. +9
    11 May 2014 07: 56
    The war was lost a long time ago. not the last six months. Remember 1 president of Ukraine, Kravchuk. Do you remember? So this man, a former communist, proudly declared that he was a boy dragging products to Bendera boys into the forest. He initiated the Ukrainian referendum on Ukrainian independence in 91. At a referendum, more than 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence, as well as this accomplice of Bendera was elected president. Further, Kuchma, repeatedly admired Bendera. Then this one with a furry face, each opening of the monument to the Nazis took place with his participation. Further, Yanukovych, during his activities, the frequency of provocations against Russian military bases in Crimea and Sevastopol increased several times, all provocations occurred with the full connivance of the police. Our government did absolutely nothing against such a policy. It was only flirting, then the charges were dropped from Tymoshenko, then they were selling gas on a cheap basis, there were no sanctions at all against the war criminal. All this is sad.
  26. Stasi
    +5
    11 May 2014 08: 01
    The Goebbels case lives and wins, an example of this is the unhappy Ukraine. For 23 years, Ukrainians were brainwashed, they were told that they were to blame for all the troubles of Ukraine, that is, Russians. The result is logical: the Maydan explosion occurred and anarchy began. Media controlled by oligarchs broadcast anything but the truth. What the West is stronger against Russia is in the field of brainwashing and the conduct of an information-psychological war. As always, we are lagging behind in this area. If we do not begin to make efforts to win the information-psychological war, then we will finally lose Ukraine.
  27. ar-ren
    -16
    11 May 2014 08: 08
    I would suggest that the Russians reflect on the question of how it turns out that Russians have no friends at all among neighboring peoples? Even Lukashenko recently reasoned, wondered what would happen when the Russians invade Belarus ...
    1. -7
      11 May 2014 09: 51
      I have no friends, girlfriends!
      I myself p.z.z.d%#@y friend! Yes
      laughing
    2. +6
      11 May 2014 10: 35
      Who has friends? Countries don't have friends by definition. People do. Countries do not. There is not and never was ANY country in the world that would have "friends". Allies, enemies, neutrals, but not friends.
    3. +9
      11 May 2014 10: 39
      I understand that you are not Russian and therefore, you don’t need to think about this issue?
      All right.
      And why, Lukashenko, at US, RUSSIAN, take a loan?
      Probably because of the big DO NOT LOVE us?
      And why Belarus, which unlike us, everyone loves, ANYWHERE TO TAKE A LOAN?
      Perhaps you should also think about this issue.
      1. +1
        11 May 2014 12: 27
        And what is the connection between “love” and loans? When I need a loan, I choose not the “favorite” bank, but the one in which the conditions offer me more profitable. In general, this is a fact, Russians in the world do not like, perhaps this is a consequence of Anglo-Saxon propaganda, perhaps something else.
        1. +4
          11 May 2014 14: 22
          we do not need someone's "love-dislike", especially since in geyrope this word is already understood as something else ... but as for father, so Belarus with him at the head has not yet been repelled by our sworn partners precisely because he is in alliance with Russia.
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    4. Fin
      +9
      11 May 2014 11: 59
      Quote: ar-ren
      I would suggest that the Russians think about the question, how is it that the Russians have no friends among the neighboring nations?

      Do you have any examples of which nations are friends in the EU, America? While the country is strong, friends all go and stand in line to record. As soon as weakened, they were torn apart and did not choke. Should Germany or France loosen its neighbors (friends) will pounce like kites. There is no friendship of peoples and universal love; there are ethnic groups related by roots, and propaganda will direct this to another brain. In geopolitics, there are alliances of countries against others to achieve specific goals. I hope you don’t need to tell a story who was friends with whom and against whom?
    5. walter_rus
      +4
      11 May 2014 12: 41
      We, true to the principles of proletarian internationalism, tried to develop backward countries, but as you know, "you cannot be famous for good deeds." But the Americans acted more pragmatically - they fed the "elites" of the necessary countries, and those, having become dependent on sponsors, drove their population to the right stall. So the costs are less, and the result is closer.
    6. 0
      11 May 2014 14: 38
      Russia has a lot of friends around the world, only America has an information resource
    7. +6
      11 May 2014 16: 54
      Quote: ar-ren
      I would suggest that the Russians think about the question, how is it that the Russians have no friends among the neighboring nations?

      In the whole world, we have only two faithful friends and ally, our army and our fleet. All the rest, as soon as possible, will themselves turn against us.
      Alexander III
    8. +11
      11 May 2014 17: 50
      We have friends - RUSSIANS (please do not worry about hangers-on) have, but you need to rely not on friends (always only betray friends), but on faithful allies. soldier
    9. +1
      11 May 2014 18: 56
      but who would you suggest thinking to you? Russia, it has long been said, has two allies, the army and navy. so do not strain, whoever you are.
  28. 3vs
    +2
    11 May 2014 08: 12
    It is not otherwise that Poroshenko puts some kind of drug into his sweets.
    It is necessary in Russia to conduct in its factories an examination of the raw materials for the confectionery.
  29. +1
    11 May 2014 08: 13
    Well, the people of ukroiny means simply stupidly believes their SLI-means of false information, and I waved my hand at the facts because the facts of eyewitnesses saying that white is white do not fit into the rhetoric of official sli. I almost proved to my relatives from ukroin that Russia did not send troops to ukroin and I don’t have our Special Forces divisions near Slavyansk, as they proved to them. I just want to turn the attention to one more inspectorate on ukroin — except for the very same lies, people are actively driven into the heads and hired provocateurs letting knowingly false but truth-like information. And if I would do it young people are brainwashed, but rumors are attracted to retirement grandmothers with brainwashed too, and alas people believe such grandmothers, but we don’t have our counterpropaganda on ukroin. -to change in this state of affairs
    1. 77bob1973
      +1
      11 May 2014 08: 42
      I didn’t agree with the sign of impotence, our position is stronger because the truth is behind us and we know it perfectly, and the views of the powdered brains of the media are changeable to the first blood, to the first corpses, for us time, it will put everything in its place.
  30. +2
    11 May 2014 08: 17
    Quote: punk
    if you look into the abyss for a long time, then the abyss will look at you

    I don’t know what the abyss is ... I know the word Abyss.
  31. +2
    11 May 2014 08: 25
    Surgeons are required - for craniotomy ... backward peoples ...
    By the way - the patient is sick ... but heal!
    1. +1
      11 May 2014 08: 48
      Surgery is powerless here. Someone like Kashpirovsky is needed here. bully
  32. +7
    11 May 2014 08: 29
    He also spoke and corresponded with friends from Vinnitsa, they also scold us in response that we climb up to them. And he asked a question about Odessa, there they never heard of the May 2 tragedy. Most of Ukraine has no idea what is going on with them. Yes, by and large, and does not want, "my house is on the edge", But I just can't understand one thing, during the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine shouted that it feeds everyone and wants to live separately, but Now they are outraged that we are such bad Russians, we sell gas to them so dearly. And then, what is the general problem, why does Ukraine not want to hold a referendum in every region? Half of Europe is federal and not all states? And if you are afraid to hold it, it means that they understand that not all of Ukraine has been fooled.
  33. +13
    11 May 2014 08: 33
    Quote: Banshee
    ... The Kharkov Fedorenko family, with whom I have been friends for more than five years, stops communicating with me. “We ate and drank together, you came to us. And now you are for those who want to crush us with their tanks. ” The finish, but in fact quite reasonable people were a year ago ...


  34. +5
    11 May 2014 08: 37
    from the Don.
    Well, I wouldn’t say so in the affirmative about zombie dill now, especially after the celebration of VICTORY Day. There is no Internet! My wife’s sisters in Transcarpathia have a little brains. But those who are behind the cardon are gloomy. There’s not much to think about it. and compare laziness. In short, a swamp!
  35. 0
    11 May 2014 08: 45
    What do you think about Akhmetov’s statement on the creation of self-defense units in Mariupol to protect the city from workers at local factories? Started to look towards Russia?
    1. +2
      11 May 2014 09: 07
      Quote: Russian German
      What do you think about Akhmetov’s statement on the creation of self-defense units in Mariupol to protect the city from workers at local factories?

      I think that calls for nationalization have begun to sound too loud! because "you have to be friends with the people." Moreover, the referendum will certainly show results that do not correspond to Kiev's hopes. "It's good if they just demanded federalization and the Russian language. And if joining Russia?" So Akhmetov started to fuss.
      1. +5
        11 May 2014 09: 25
        Quote: Egoza
        "So Akhmetov started to fuss.

        Akhmetov as a corrupt woman - holds her nose in the wind.
        He’s more concerned about his own money than the life of the population. He saw perfectly well that in Crimea the owners retained their enterprises (with the exception of the share of small strategic enterprises), and it’s about who will win and will
      2. Erg
        +2
        11 May 2014 16: 07
        To Russia. Definitely. Jackals sensed that the buffalo could not be defeated
    2. +2
      11 May 2014 13: 28
      There he owns metallurgical plants. Afraid of nationalization (Crimea is a precedent).
  36. Kassandra
    +4
    11 May 2014 08: 46
    There is no broadcasting of Russian channels there, and on the Ukrainian and Ukrainian Internet the "Baptist sect Word of Life" is spinning its brains, which is actually just a renamed near-Korean "Aum Shinrikyo", also known for its spraying sarin in Japan - they endure their members' brains oh how ... Now it seems that they have decided to take into their ranks all the Ukrainians who will survive.
  37. +4
    11 May 2014 08: 47
    Every family has its black sheep. So we will have to someone, from relatives, in the face to press in order to bring to life. And then further, as for many years, to celebrate OUR victory day together, remembering these days with a moment of silence and with tears in their eyes.
    1. +2
      11 May 2014 13: 34
      It won't help in the face. I know from distant relatives: my father served all his life in the Soviet Army, served himself, receives a pension, speaks Russian in the family, and since the beginning of "perestroika", Bandera's ideology has stuck in my head.
  38. zev
    zev
    +5
    11 May 2014 08: 55
    Russia itself is largely to blame for what is happening at Nezalezhnaya. Remember who for the last years has been in charge of our diplomacy in Kiev? 1. Chernomyrdin is the one who actually surrendered Yugoslavia (Serbia). 2. Zurabov is the "chief pharmacologist" of Russia (in fact, the same Serdyukov is the "chief owner" at the post of the Ministry of Defense). Well, and, probably, any nation (with appropriate brainwashing) can turn into anything: take Germany 0- x years: in a little over ten years, "too, a cultured people", with traditions, etc. turned into what it turned into. So the current situation in Ukraine (and in the world) is in many ways our fault.
    1. +2
      11 May 2014 13: 37
      The time has come for the disruption of masks from liberal ideology, and especially in our home.
  39. +3
    11 May 2014 08: 58
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: mamont5
    Most, especially the older generation, take information from TV or radio.

    The older generation with St. George ribbons in Ukraine walks in spite of everything pouring from the TV, and young people have an Internet, but no brains hi

    Yes, lately, I look at the youth of any country, there are no brains at all! Maybe they are geniuses in computers, but life’s are stupid people, and they don’t interest in the truth, it’s good for them! Most hate the Union, knowingly not knowing what it is! And also this Western propaganda, that’s what truly needs to be banned!
  40. +3
    11 May 2014 09: 00
    Yes, an abscess has ripened, it has been rotting for a long time, perhaps since the Civil War, well, now everything is clear to us, isn't it time to urgently take measures to fight the Vlasovites in our country, in Russia? An article about the attitude to St. George's ribbons and almost to those who were brought up in the Great Union showed the top of the head of what is maturing at home. I don’t sit on social networks, but I guess that “everything is not so simple here” -fascism raises its head. Donbass is important to support, it may become an island of Ukraine's resistance to nationalists, it is extremely important to convey the truth about the events in the country to ordinary Ukrainians, there are people doubters. Realization of what happened soon will come, when gas will be released for the paid volume, the EU is not going to patch holes in the budget of Ukraine. The elections there will legitimize a handful of those who will share the budget stubs among themselves
  41. akmatov
    +5
    11 May 2014 09: 16
    Putin is doing everything right. To beat his brother in the face, although he is wrong, is not necessary, it is necessary to wait so that he himself realizes his untruth in relation to reality. I myself am Kyrgyzstan, there is also a decomposition of everything that was moral in the USSR, we are caught in the grip of the IMF. Marginal oligarchs have everything and everyone. Death to America !!!
  42. +4
    11 May 2014 09: 16
    And who said that she lost? After all, in addition to the idiots described here, there are tens of thousands of normal people in Kharkov who came out on Victory Day. Someone continues to resist in Odessa. Many, after Odessa, opened their eyes.
  43. +1
    11 May 2014 09: 20
    It’s not worth noting the professionalism of the gay European media. Still, they skillfully twist the minds of the population! After all, how did it all begin? Give to Europe! Is it over? Down with Russia! And they have success! After the victory, the leaders and owners of the sales channels must be seriously judged for inciting extremism. And look! There are no Ukrainians left on the forum! And there were seemingly adequate people.
    1. +2
      11 May 2014 13: 39
      The media is a consequence, whole institutions work on fooling.
    2. Alex_Bogfin
      +1
      12 May 2014 00: 42
      Why, then, no more. Left. But there’s nothing to add (((. In western Ukraine, explaining anything to people who have decided everything for themselves is unrealistic. I’ve even stopped arguing.
  44. +6
    11 May 2014 09: 21
    You know, I've been lately recalling and thinking that it all started much earlier ...
    Our head of the political department of the school (he was a real communist) was appointed head of the Lvov political school. We said goodbye to him, wished him all the best, like a promotion ... and three months later the news comes that he died there in a car accident when he was driving to some part. But in the Kiev school they sent from Lvov to his place ... such a g ..., it was immediately obvious, especially when he began to ask the guys idiotic questions during the exams. like "what page did Lenin write on ...? Or How much does an airplane wing cost? (for signalmen, that's the very thing)" In general, the guys immediately completely discouraged the desire to study something about Marxism-Leninism. Because the subject very often "coincides" with teacher.
    Further, a large group of Ukrainian officers - graduates of the Academy in Leningrad, died in an airplane accident ... and then, I know that, because ours were there. But there was nothing in the press about this. And this was at the end of the USSR during the Gorbachev era. And now we ask: "Where are the normal officers?" Was it an accident or not? didn't it all start from those times?
  45. +1
    11 May 2014 09: 31
    Another Russian scientist, Alexander Chizhevsky, revealed the relationship between the peak of solar activity and the increase in the number of suicides, aircraft accidents and various natural disasters.
    We are now at the peak of 2013-1014 exactly as in 1917. You can personally find analogies. so everything is clear. We depend on the sun.
  46. +5
    11 May 2014 09: 32
    at the relatives in Kiev and Ruzhin ... how many I’m calling, I ask: -yes what’s going on there ??? the answer is one: - everything is fine with us ... it seems that people are afraid to just speak on such topics!
    the same topic with Uzbekistan, for example, ask any beggar gaster "how are you doing there?" will tell you how they are doing fine there - and there are plenty of jobs, and the salaries are good - in general, the river-jelly banks, and to the question "why did you come here in the winter in tattered galoshes on bare feet (a real case)?" or keep silent or will drive some kind of senseless blizzard ... but there really is 37 years old, for any not careful word you can simply disappear without a trace (there is no need to worry about it - the East!), so in Ukraine, apparently the same thing begins .. ...
    but there is also one more side: when Gaster comes back from Russia to mustakillik, they start telling tales about us, that is. a standard set of myths - "in Russia everyone drank and chipped, soon Siberia and the Far East will be seized by the Chinese, etc." (I know this for sure, because I often go there) well, just because it was too much for them to admit that in Russia they low-paying job, which the locals simply won't agree to (everyone wants to be managers, sit in the office and do nothing) all this + official propaganda and forms an inverted picture of the world ...
    it is treated simply - the truth! as soon as propaganda ends, the veil from the eyes will fall off very quickly ...
  47. +3
    11 May 2014 09: 35
    We can only blame ourselves for what happened. We were ashamed to conduct propaganda in Ukraine and educate agents of influence. They considered it a waste of money and a waste of money. Grandpa Chernomyrdin got off with the traditional jokes, for which we still pay, and considered the best propaganda for Russia to be maintaining a relatively low gas price. There was no understanding that the Ukrainians considered this price not a gift, not their support by Russia, but a return of the debt for "suffering" in the USSR. Now the level of effort and expenditure required to bring the collective Ukrainian consciousness to a normal level for real perception of the surrounding reality surpasses any imagination, not counting the fact that this process will be quite long in time. The Kiev authorities can greatly help here. From their own bitter experience, citizens of Ukraine understand everything much better.
  48. +1
    11 May 2014 09: 41
    In my opinion-hohliki always differed awn ....
  49. bag
    bag
    +3
    11 May 2014 09: 42
    it’s enough for a month to open the NTV + Ukraine package and ring on free sites about free viewing everything will fall into place
  50. +16
    11 May 2014 09: 57
    Really, I’m calling to Odessa, how’s it? Okay. Yes, there, they burned homeless people (!?). Or: hee hee, so what? People generally turned into a herd !!! Creatures !! And so all over Ukraine!
    1. +2
      11 May 2014 21: 44
      Yes, such statements, and even with hee, hee, from such a hair stand on end, what happened to the people?
  51. +2
    11 May 2014 09: 58
    Everyone hears only what they want to hear. The lock will only open with a suitable key. There was dislike (to put it mildly) for Russians in Ukraine and under the USSR. Since the 90s it has bloomed wildly on “ready-made manure”. For dill, it is natural that Russia is to blame for everything. If the spirit is open to hatred and evil, they will settle there - they invited themselves. Now they are obsessed with demonism. The current situation among the independent people is reminiscent of the climax of the 3rd night in the story VIY by N.V. Gogol.
  52. contemporary
    0
    11 May 2014 10: 04
    You can't force a person to believe. My father-in-law is Russian. he is over 70. lives in Russia in the outback. under the USSR he had everything. He hates Russia and everything Russian. only the -voice of America- listens. There is a flag of Ukraine and a portrait of Khodorkovsky in the apartment. He does not communicate with me and my daughter.
    1. +3
      11 May 2014 10: 20
      Well this is the diagnosis wassat
      1. tokin1959
        +1
        11 May 2014 11: 22
        several years ago there was a terrorist attack in Moscow.
        explosion in the subway.
        I myself live in the Volga region.
        I went to a house on business. the whole family was there.
        news about the explosion was just being broadcast on TV.
        the owner went all crazy - damned mos..., that’s what they need, it’s a pity they didn’t kill too many, it would be better if they all died.
        the family is silent in stupor.
        the owner is Ukrainian.
  53. +1
    11 May 2014 10: 09
    There is practically a war going on in Ukraine now. The population of Ukraine believes that it was unleashed by pro-Russian forces. And the war interferes with everyone’s life.
  54. orthopedist
    +1
    11 May 2014 10: 14
    Yes, one thing I can say is that the truth will be very sobering for them
  55. +5
    11 May 2014 10: 17
    Information war? Come on... You just need to understand that all fraternal republics are only fraternal to us when they get their ass in a frenzy. Then yes, they remember all Russian relatives up to the tenth generation, swear eternal friendship and so on. The Customs Union is a very illustrative example. Those republics entered which would have been lost without us. But Ukraine did not enter. Because we constantly fed her for her loyalty, did not pay attention to her greyhoundness and so on. And now Ukraine has decided to send us. Well, as a result, he will lose a bunch of goodies from us. But again, it will be lost gradually. May 7 is one term, May 16 is another... And Children's Day will be marked by the liberation of Ukraine from the consumption of Moscow gas. And here several questions arise. 1. Has anyone given money to Ukraine? 2. Will anyone give money to Ukraine? 3.Where will Ukrainians run when it becomes cold, hungry, and the propaganda from the TV is forgotten (due to a long shutdown)? It turns out that one horseradish clamp will fall on our neck? Like, since we brought them to this point, then we must feed/water/warm them.
  56. +2
    11 May 2014 10: 28
    While we have been feeding Ukraine for 23 years (loans, discounts on gas, employment), the West spent money on brainwashing (television, grants, sponsoring the Right Sector, flirting with the oligarchy), so this is our mistake and it’s good that Putin is beginning to see the light, that simply feeding and clothing the people is not enough.
    The behavior of Ukrainians now, I think, is a defensive reaction for their betrayal of their own grandfathers, whom they abandoned. He who has no past has no future!
  57. +1
    11 May 2014 10: 44
    They will lose their last production, as in Bulgaria and the Baltic states, then they will wake up, but it will be too late
    1. +1
      11 May 2014 13: 49
      “Why are these factories needed at all? We’ll bring them from abroad,” is the answer of the “educated” to my question about whether they feel sorry for the factory where they and their parents used to work, and now it has been sold for scrap metal, and only pipe.
  58. +5
    11 May 2014 10: 51
    Yes! It's really scary! The man declares, “I am Russian and I am a Banderaite.” This is how stupid you have to be to fool yourself! Particles of the Great Ethnic Group that built the Great Country are identified with small, stupid Galicia, distinguished by only one significant example in history - boundless cruelty towards strangers. And so you were given the right to shake their hands and kill your own, and they look at you and rub their hands! And behind them is the “good west”!!! Finally, the Russians began to kill and hate Russians!!! And we'll stand on the sidelines and see how they do it!
    The OST plan, Bismarck's ideas, work on the Ukrainization of Austria-Hungary, the happiness of the "democrats". Thoughtful propaganda - to say the least, did its job.
    How to fix all this? How to explain that it will not be possible to live in an invented “greatness”, since everyone knows the main line of history (there are plenty of lies, but the main vector remains) and it is not at all what undeveloped minds imagine - Ukrainians did not reinvent the wheel!
    1. 0
      11 May 2014 13: 51
      Regarding the Russian Banderaites. I’m starting to think that there is a selection from above among the Russians.
    2. 0
      11 May 2014 21: 02
      A man declares “I am Russian and I am a Banderaite”

      Bandera’s followers will later explain to him that he “found himself in the wrong steppe.”
  59. reinat
    +2
    11 May 2014 10: 56
    The situation in general is not in Russia's favor. We will bring in troops and be the aggressors; we will be brainwashed along with our brains. The junta will gain real support from the people. All their lies about Russia in their media will be justified, the lies will become the truth. Why restore order in a country in which the majority of the population does not even try to figure out under what conditions they want to be accepted into the EU. One thing is clear to them: Russia and Putin are to blame. There is no need to risk our soldiers, they also have families, wives, children. In addition, the West is provoking Russia in every possible way to send in troops. I think Ukraine should be left alone, Crimea was returned and this was a victory for Russia. Ukraine is already lost, the majority of people want to live in the EU, let them live (but it’s not a fact that they will be accepted, perhaps they will wait like Turkey), if there are opponents to such an idea, then let them fight, let them act, for the sake of their future. They had almost a quarter of a century to decide and build a normal country. All these years, Russia fraternally helped, subsidized the Ukrainian economy in every possible way, and sold gas cheaply. And what is the answer? In the end, Ukraine generally relaxed, they don’t even ask, but demand gas at a cheap price.
    Let them now live an independent life, if Ukraine really lives like Europe, then this is also not bad, Russia is also not bad because it has a stable neighbor.
    For Russia, it is now necessary to come to an agreement with their sponsors so that Ukraine remains neutral, so that it never joins NATO, and if in the future there are even hints of joining, take it as a declaration of war, react harshly, if they want a third world war, then they will retreat there's nowhere else to go. Behave with Ukraine as business partners, no benefits at your own expense. We also have our own economy.
    PS And it’s time to pay attention to the East, we need to develop in this direction.
    1. -1
      11 May 2014 19: 03
      Why can't we stop at Crimea? Firstly, there are a lot of people left in Ukraine who think sensibly and associate themselves as part of the Russian World, whom the current government will stupidly destroy. Secondly, if the Nazis are left with access to the Black Sea, this access will belong to NATO and the United States will have bases in the Black Sea, which, to put it mildly, is bad for us. Thirdly, we have a HUGE number of contracts with Ukraine, the loss of which would result in a disaster for the Ukrainian normal population and severe losses for Russia in the financial period. plan. Fourthly, and probably one of the main ones, this is a nest of real fascists right next to Russia. You can even tolerate NATO, because there are more or less adequate people there and they won’t just make naughty things in our direction. But fascists cannot be tolerated. The revival of fascism cannot be allowed; it must be nipped in the bud. Therefore, we cannot retreat now.
      1. Kassandra
        0
        12 May 2014 01: 08
        they are being killed there now.
    2. Kassandra
      0
      12 May 2014 01: 07
      Well, if they can be washed any way you want, even despite the jumping and shooting mouse, then isn’t that all right? In the sense of what will they think of us?
      There are already plenty of maps there on how to carve out territory from Donbass to the north and southeast
      And in the northeastern territories of the Russian Federation adjacent to Dongbass, police officers with weapons and communications equipment were caught. It’s like how Chechnya once spread to Dagestan.
  60. 0
    11 May 2014 11: 00
    in fact, we also have many who are tired of the inaction of an underdeveloped administration and so much corruption and therefore willingly look towards more efficient Western partners. It’s about the same thing with the fascists - from my own example, I can say that I drew a swastika on a notebook when I was a student and even in high school I pasted an eagle on my shirt, because it was associated with order and a normal value system against the backdrop of the chaos around. the same Banderaites have a great chance of being acquitted in Ukraine because they really defended the Ukrainian language, independence, killing Poles (Volyn massacre of 1943), despite the fact that now for some reason they are being made allies (?). Russian authorities risk falling under the hot hand in Ukraine because it’s much easier to blame anyone for everything but yourself
  61. +2
    11 May 2014 11: 09
    I remember the Yeltsman elections in 1996. The intensity of idiocy and propaganda has gone off scale, but what is now being shown about the Ukrainian zombie is something completely unimaginable. The propaganda of that time was crying pitifully on the sidelines. Around the clock and continuously, Ukraine is at war with hordes of Russians, who are already on the approaches to all major cities of Ukraine, and are about to approach, many have already seen, Putin personally in the lead vehicle behind the machine gun, laughing, shooting exclusively at children. It’s surprising that Russia on TV has not yet launched a nuclear strike on Ukraine; I think as soon as it becomes clear that the region with the nuclear power plant is leaving the unified one, they will definitely stir up something there, they won’t even think about it for a second. Incl. in the next six months, one or two Chernobyls in Ukraine may well happen, but it is clear that these will be the results of attacks by ruthless m..leys. If not this, then at least they will definitely scrape up chemical weapons in the Ukrainian wastelands, not to mention biology, everything is in perfect order with this, everything has already been taken to an unknown direction by unknown people.
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  63. +1
    11 May 2014 11: 10
    Previously, they seized the telephone, telegraph, train stations, banks... Now, in the era of NLP, it is necessary to seize the media. The brain is washed on both sides, the truth is in the middle, and the truth is somewhere nearby.
  64. +2
    11 May 2014 11: 21
    My dad told me that when he served in the army, and this is the beginning of the 70s, they had a Ukrainian Komsomol organizer (!), so he even then babbled that Bandera was a people's hero of Ukraine.

    And I studied with one of these at the institute in the early 80s. The funny thing is that at the same time she dreamed of joining the CPSU and making a “party career” (that’s exactly what she said!)
    1. 0
      11 May 2014 21: 07
      "party career"

      There are still such people today. Careerists and opportunists.
      Favorite hobby: teaching others how to work.
      Which of them turned out?
      Examples of the recent past: Saakashvili is a Komsomol worker, Basayev is a Komsomol worker.
      Are the workers good?
  65. +1
    11 May 2014 11: 35
    So my classmate, with whom we were sitting at a desk, finally gave up. But we lived in the RSFSR, we ourselves had Russian surnames, our fathers served together in the Soviet army... And now she, having married a Westerner, is talking about this very nonsense, has removed all her Russian classmates from her friends and is preparing to defend the Independent from these same people. !

    Another example is my father’s colleague, an officer in the Soviet army. The situation is the same, the diagnosis is the same...

    Sad ...
    1. 0
      11 May 2014 21: 08
      High professionalism leads to idiocy. - IN AND. Lenin
  66. 0
    11 May 2014 11: 47
    Yes, indeed, those who cannot watch Russian news have such confusion in their heads that, mother, don’t worry! I personally don’t watch Ukrainian TV. I can’t let this muck and rot into my brain. Lies, twisting of facts, and most importantly - “The Russians are coming”, already here, already on the approaches, already sabotage, already... a complete “paragraph”! But people believe and don’t want to understand where the legs grow from. All “Svidomo” TV was bought and taught long ago and for a long time by non-profit organizations (read: USA), oligarchs (read: West). So students outperform their teachers
  67. Anton K
    0
    11 May 2014 11: 54
    Quote: Thompson
    Everything seems to be so, BUT in this situation, time is human life!
    And when enlightenment comes to them ... the grandmother with a pitchfork on the water wrote


    And when will insight come to us?
  68. +1
    11 May 2014 11: 57
    Are our brains still there, haven’t we been washed? The lords fight - the slaves' forelocks crack! Of course, they want to crush Russia and use the hands of our Brothers to do this, the situation now in Russia resembles the situation before the First World War - the enemy is pressing, corruption is everywhere, the top people are greedy.
  69. +3
    11 May 2014 11: 59
    The article poses very global questions... And the answer to these questions is simple - ANY COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE IS A HERD. And this herd is ALWAYS DEFENSE against a PURPOSE GROUP (mafia). This has always been the case at all times... We remember Hitler's Germany - Goebbels's propaganda. We remember perestroika and Yeltsin’s propaganda. You don’t even need to remember anything - we look at today’s Russian media... I want to cry... Ukraine has generally reached the apogee of its media in dumbing down the population... Now it remains to find out who is running it all? And the answer is obvious - JEWS and the ZIONIST MAFIA! Whether in Russia or Ukraine, ALL MEDIA BELONG TO JEWS. They ALWAYS DESTROYED THE SLAVIC WORLD! We remember: Napoleon (financed and directed by the Rothschilds), Hitler (brought to power and financed by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, although not all the time), 1917 revolution (in all revolutionary parties the main roles were played by JEWS (until Stalin exterminated them)), perestroika and collapse union (Yeltsin’s team was ENTIRELY Jews, all the union’s property came under the control of Jews). And now they have the task of RUINING THE ENTIRE SLAVIC CIVILIZATION. And they have almost achieved it... Only the SLAVIC ANTI-JEWISH REVOLT will save the Slavs from extermination and genocide... Think, Slavs, think, it’s time to take up the club...
    1. 0
      11 May 2014 12: 52
      Alas, the same fascism. Just as Ukrainians say “the moskali are to blame for everything,” so you say “the Jews are to blame for everything.”
      1. 0
        11 May 2014 21: 10
        It would be interesting to know, how are you?
  70. +1
    11 May 2014 12: 04
    But we ourselves sown this field! It was necessary to resist this infection more actively in the nineties! In my opinion, it started with the Holodomor organized by Moscow..... And so on down the list! Drop by drop! Now words can’t help my grief!
    1. 0
      11 May 2014 13: 59
      At that time, we ourselves were subject to all sorts of ideological rubbish, and the time of epiphany was different for everyone. There are still those who have not seen the light.
  71. Anton K
    0
    11 May 2014 12: 04
    Even this article suggests that brainwashing is being carried out in both Ukraine and Russia. And mostly its own population. Which is what they call propaganda. It was, is and will always be so.
    If the author already heard a saying about a donkey, I can remind you about halva - no matter how much you repeat it, it will not become sweeter in your mouth. On the contrary, it will get worse. You need to think for yourself what is happening and why.
    1. mirexes
      -1
      11 May 2014 12: 17
      Anecdot.
      An athlete comes to the doctor and says:
      Doctor, my head hurts, but I can’t eat medicine, otherwise they’ll count me as doping, help me
      The doctor replies:
      And you repeat continuously that your head doesn’t hurt, your head doesn’t hurt... and all the pain will go away.
      The athlete repeated for 5 minutes and his head stopped hurting,
      Oh doctor, thank you, you saved me and left for the competition.
      An athlete is running a marathon and then, as luck would have it, he wanted to piss and immediately remembered the doctor’s words and began to repeat I don’t want to piss, I don’t want to piss... and after 5 minutes the desire to piss passed, he was happy, he ran on and then, incredibly, the athlete wanted to piss. ..what should I do? I thought and decided that words would also help and began to repeat
      I don’t want to shit.. I don’t want to shit.. I didn’t crap I didn’t crap......
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  72. mirexes
    0
    11 May 2014 12: 10
    Now the moment has simply come when everyone decided to make their choice and not whisper as before, whoever loves the West will go to the West, and whoever loves Russia will go to Russia, and we will find out the results of the choice in 10-30 years, I hope that no one will be disappointed) )))And future rulers will have a lesson in not caring about regions that, at the level of mentality, are very different from those to whom they are being attached. If at one time the western part of Ukraine had not been attached to Ukraine, then there wouldn’t be any problems now, but then they didn’t know that it was practically impossible to change the mentality, but now they know))
  73. +1
    11 May 2014 12: 20
    For a long time, crests have been creating an inferiority complex. Why are they glad, damn it? As far as I remember, there was a lot of activity there, a brawl, I can’t even call it a fight. So they set it aside as the norm. As soon as Russian troops enter, 80% will scream about occupation. And we must not forget that all people descended from the Ukrainians.
  74. nika08
    +4
    11 May 2014 12: 22
    I don’t know who has a brain and how it works, but I live in Ukraine (I write with a small letter because I no longer consider Ukraine a state) and for some reason they couldn’t debilitate my brain. Maybe someone has weak brains? The bulk of the weak-minded???
    1. mirexes
      0
      11 May 2014 12: 40
      Most likely you are right, in Russia we also recently had a swamp, people stood there too and they themselves didn’t know why they stood
      1. Kassandra
        0
        12 May 2014 00: 54
        Did they tell you that themselves?
  75. Theton.
    +1
    11 May 2014 12: 36
    I remember people from Ukraine, they always surprised us a little, if not more (for us, I’m talking about the Russian old-timers in Yakutia, the descendants of coachmen and exiled Cossacks), although there was a lot in common, of course. But what stood out was their indestructibility and obstinacy, which reached the point of absurdity, and they are rarely seen on our women For some reason they married mostly Evenki women often.
  76. Bormental
    +1
    11 May 2014 12: 41
    Brain pollution can be easily cured by hunger, blood and destruction. Ukraine will soon have plenty of all this. There is no need to disturb her.
  77. +1
    11 May 2014 12: 57
    Bandera inflammation of the brain can only be treated with hunger. With the exception of Donetsk and Lugansk, which need assistance, Russia must declare a blockade of Dill, close all borders and settlements until they themselves crawl with the heads of the Right Sector in their hands and then for selective rations, we must learn from the United States in these matters (Korea, Cuba, Iran).
  78. +1
    11 May 2014 12: 57
    We lost the information war when we turned our TV channels into a “field of miracles,” when they raised the price of literary magazines to the extreme, when publications such as “Ogonyok” turned into “bugs,” when instead of “They Fought for the Motherland,” they began to rivet “ saboteurs" when they destroyed the Soviet system of secondary education, when they destroyed the system of vocational education.
    Our traitors from the Central Committee, the KGB, having destroyed the USSR, took on minds and moods. And the “mass” hawked and spun and spun the drum under the grin of the mustachioed guy.
    So, Ukrainians are not alone in terms of consumption of indecent things.
    1. Erg
      0
      11 May 2014 16: 21
      Right. And to this day, our children on the screen can freely familiarize themselves with vulgarity and the inverted story. We will fight
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  80. +1
    11 May 2014 13: 25
    In my opinion, why are we losing the information war? Yes, because we are not waging it. Or rather, our media are not waging it, our media are simply reporting the news, of course they are trying to be objective, but not always, apparently there are also some instructions from the authorities. It seems to me that if they wanted to carry out information processing of the population, then they would, we have everything for this - from resources to simply talented people in the media, but apparently there is an instruction from our authorities. On the one hand, this is good, the population is given the opportunity to think for themselves, and not turn into a herd, as in the neighboring country. Another alarming thing is that when this fascist regime gets a little stronger and believes in itself, it will lead this herd to war against us, there are all the prerequisites for this, intentions have been expressed more than once, so to speak, and We already have plans. And we need to conduct special propaganda both in our own ranks, first of all, and in the ranks of the enemy, which has long been obvious. We have such a positive example, in my opinion, on the Russia-24 channel there is such a program “Agitprom”, hosted by a reporter Konstantin SEMYON, well done, he puts the accents competently and, in a figurative sense, correctly. If anyone is interested, take a look. In my opinion, that’s all. However, M. Leontyev doesn’t quite measure up, somehow everything is blurry and the main emphasis is on facts, and special propaganda is first just a kind of provocation, if you want, a different view presented to the population of a country or region, first of all, aggressively, affirmatively and defiantly, but not a lie. In my opinion, this is approximately how the media works in a neighboring fascist country and of course, first of all, the emphasis is on the mentality of the people living in this country, this is generally indisputable. So if we want to win the information war, then we need to engage in propaganda at the government level, and not privately by the media management, otherwise the truth in the media, especially on TV, is so pretentious and vulgar that It just doesn’t fit into any gates anymore, and some characters, in my opinion, should not be allowed anywhere near TV. This is in my opinion.
    1. 0
      11 May 2014 14: 05
      Clowns take a break from journalism compared to some parrots.
  81. 0
    11 May 2014 13: 27
    I agree that we lost, but partially. compared to 08.08.08 In this fight for minds, we look much better. So we’ll soon learn how to wash a black dog white in the West. Do not forget. that propaganda was already working in the Anoglo-Saxon countries in the 19th century. Like Cossacks eat children (Napoleon, France). But Russians are capable students, so there is still a long way to go. Well, the Svidomo authorities are helping us and very quickly... Keep it up, gentlemen Yaitsenyuk, pastor and camarilla... am hi
  82. 0
    11 May 2014 13: 28
    How did it happen that such a big and beautiful people turned into a flock, driven by a gang that seized power?


    Yes, very simple. This territory is controlled by them. That’s why they decide what to feed to their people, who are too lazy to search the Internet for information from different sources to check.
  83. +2
    11 May 2014 13: 45
    I have a classmate in Kyiv. In response to my offer of help, she replied that she would accept my youngest son and feed him, but not on a tank. And my youngest son only has a license for a tank... SO IT’S NOT DESTINY, I SAY....)))
  84. 0
    11 May 2014 13: 52
    I HAD TO EDIT THIS MESSAGE FOR A LONG TIME. CENSORED HARD!
  85. +1
    11 May 2014 14: 06
    The fumes will pass, but the hangover will be severe. After all, they are now not crap on Russia, but on themselves first of all.
  86. +2
    11 May 2014 14: 12
    Channel 5 “distinguished itself” so much during the Maidan period... that it was even closed... it declared itself “revolutionary” so that it could be reopened. The lies were so rampant that the liars themselves in power did not have enough patience.
    It is he who is the main weapon of war with Russia. It was from his lips that “Putin personally shot. FSB terrorist militants are killing little Ukrainians.” And they are monstrously and ridiculously mistaken (if you remember the headline, 2 people killed on the Maidan turned to the police...) which is detected, but in general the Information Wars against Channel 5 are being waged poorly. .but this is “Maidan tea” for the whole of Ukraine.
    1+1..the channel is generally not particularly popular among Ukrainians...the exception is football matches. Wins with the broadcast network...there is nothing to watch and no reason to watch. He perked up against the backdrop of the “war with Russia”... he lies, but they watch little and switch often... he starts to feel sick right away... The War Info channel is rather weak.
    Inter...Firtash's interests create a completely different illusion about what is happening. In general, Inter also creates Russian-language broadcasting. Somehow he combines facts with lies. Mix in equal proportions. It might even tell the truth, which makes you wonder why they didn’t visit him like Channel 1. But Firtash is pushing his way...I don’t know what he wants yet, but Inter is balancing on a fine line. You can watch it, but it’s too early to draw conclusions. It has its own “truth” and “lies”
    ICTV..almost the same but bias towards channel 5...Pinchuk is more straightforward.
    Ukraine today... it’s the simplest thing there... how to turn out this way. Akhmetov himself is already nervous.
    Total..Channel 5 The most important in brewing “Maidan tea”...his partners 1+1 and Aistivi..Inter apart...the rest pursue a policy directly related to mood rather than prospects.
    This concerns a small summary of the “weapons” of information warfare... although there are “trunks” of radio stations, the Internet... all this is just “fire”... but the Control Center is not there at all... but finding it (and this is not at all Kiev ZRADA) is a useful thing
    1. +1
      11 May 2014 15: 24
      I took part in the UNIAN forum for about three years. The channel was quite tolerant... Moreover, it was quite democratic. It was allowed to express almost any opinion, incl. openly Nazi and even fascist ones were not censored and passed through. Visitors, of course, were divided into several groups. I see no point in listing them. There were “ours” and “theirs”. This is the main thing. The battles went on around the clock, with varying success. Then, in connection with the events on the Maidan, the forum was closed due to “cases of inciting ethnic hatred.”
      And now UNIAN is a dump for the most disgusting, dirty, radioactive garbage! I visited this resource several times - my nerves just can’t stand the dirty lies they tell there! Just bloody diarrhea!
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  88. Morgan761
    0
    11 May 2014 14: 14
    Quote: Turkir
    You're right. This happens in all countries where nationalists intimidate the population.
    National priorities kill all spiritual priorities.
    Nationalism is a dead end for any nation. Nationalism and its extreme form of fascism, stupid any nation.
    Still, you don’t need to learn anything, a simple story, simple slogans and you have not noticed how you turned into Ukraine, and then into Okra.
    Ukrainians have been hammered into their heads that they are "special". This is a corrupting factor, for people whose head a sentence of four words no longer fits, but an automaton in their hand.
    A two-year education multiplied by a national "peculiarity" leads to dire consequences in any country.

    Yes, they even wrote a song about how “Great” they are.... They simply forgot to say in the song to whom they owe for their “Greatness”...
  89. 0
    11 May 2014 14: 21
    True in Ukrainian. (clicky)))))
  90. +2
    11 May 2014 14: 21
    Don't worry! The referendum in Donbass will put everything in its place. Soon Kharkov and Odessa will meet. And when the first tsunami of presidential elections sweeps across Ukraine and the intra-Maidan war breaks out into open confrontation, the Ukrainians will begin to fight each other. Russia will then have to step aside and wait. Even turn off Russian channels yourself. Without fresh air of sanity, the remaining brains in Ukraine will boil. By the fall, or even earlier, only Galicia will not be asked to come to Russia.
  91. 0
    11 May 2014 14: 26
    The war was lost not only for the brains of Ukrainians.
    The war for brains is lost.
    Many Russians who are former citizens of the Power are also unable to understand the information nonsense that is being presented about affairs in Ukraine and Russia.
    These people basically don’t watch the news.
    They are afraid and do not want to look and listen to those buckets of slop that are pouring out from both sides.
    There is no objective information. Here people are either grappling with each other, fighting morally, or moving away from the zombie box of the blue screen. And it doesn’t matter what this screen is connected to. To TV channels or to the global garbage dump called the Internet. It’s impossible to find anything objective either here or there.
    So some crumbs of information, but mostly creepy watering of each other.
    The victims of this Goebbels bacchanalia are punching each other in the face. Really and figuratively.
    Sometimes you have to face the truth and understand that Russia doesn’t look clean and white here either. The seizure of Crimea itself is like downright theft of what is badly lying with the neighbors. A fascinating collapse of a neighboring country, which most likely will not play into the hands of Russia itself. This is directly reminiscent of the events in Yugoslavia. Collapse, devastation, NATO bombing.
    It’s good if in this case it doesn’t happen again, but everything goes according to this scenario.
    At the same time, the collapse and fragmentation of the former State of the USSR is carried out with the enthusiasm of Russians and Ukrainians and under the control of the leaderships of these countries.
    I am very, very sorry for the people in this meat grinder.
    IMHO!
    1. Anton K
      0
      11 May 2014 15: 30
      Sometimes you have to face the truth and understand that Russia doesn’t look clean and white here either. The seizure of Crimea itself is like downright theft of what is badly lying with the neighbors. A fascinating collapse of a neighboring country, which most likely will not play into the hands of Russia itself. This is directly reminiscent of the events in Yugoslavia. Collapse, devastation, NATO bombing.


      Thank God that there are still sober-minded people.
      1. +1
        11 May 2014 17: 13
        Thank you!
        However, too many of us are proud that they basically watch all the news instead of thinking with their own heads.
        Instead of caring about the standard of living of ordinary Russians, we are asked to invest money in new weapons and proudly wear St. George’s ribbons.
        Maybe we should think about housing and roads, pensions and salaries, education and healthcare.
        Well, no!
        Instead, there is watering: He who is not with us is against us!
        Why doesn’t he want to be with us, but wants to be with Europe! Or with geyropa, to borrow a propaganda cliché?
        It lies because working people live there with dignity everywhere, but in our country, move 50 km from the capitals and there will be such a hole and such no prospects all around!
        You need to think about your own people. Takes care of him, and then allies will join in. Moreover, voluntary, and not under pressure.
        1. -1
          11 May 2014 17: 36
          You talk a lot, just like Goebbels! But my breath smells
          like out of the toilet! A request to you, my dear! Dribble on "ECHE"! You have a lot of like-minded people there!
      2. -1
        11 May 2014 17: 14
        There is a so-called "sober-minded people." Who forgot what their fathers and grandfathers fought for. Or maybe they didn’t fight. And they worked as guards in concentration camps!
        1. 0
          12 May 2014 10: 59
          Suspicious!
          He writes a lot. He thinks a lot. He doesn't think like everyone else.
          It should be covered up. Dip it in dermo.
          Recipe: impotent, Novodvorskaya, echo, holy victory, grandfathers and fathers, we fought, spinner, .... Standard and used more than once.
          Who is it?
          It’s been registered for less than a month, and already there’s such verbal diarrhea and absolute self-confidence in one’s rightness.
    2. Erg
      +2
      11 May 2014 16: 31
      Have you seen the faces of people in Crimea? Our people. I have direct information from Crimea. So, when the people of Kiev have the same happy faces, then we’ll talk about who stole what from whom. Sincerely
    3. -1
      11 May 2014 16: 48
      Good sir! And it’s as if you have nothing to do with it! "I warned you!"
      And then: “My house is on the edge!” We know this! As a matter of principle, we watch all kinds of news, not just Ekho Moskvy. Hello Valeria Novodvorskaya! There will be no well wishes for this girl! To you too!
  92. +2
    11 May 2014 14: 28
    There is always an inert herd that is led by the leash. history is made by those who care, there are always fewer of them
  93. Chronywyvert
    +1
    11 May 2014 14: 55
    The Kyiv Maidan showed who is worth what..
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  95. +1
    11 May 2014 15: 18
    American cliches... There is no need to portray people as stupider than they are - the choice of those living in Ukraine, they have already determined and are now determining with ballots ... But the criteria cannot be canceled by propaganda - for the Maidan residents it is a benefit, and for the South-East - Justice!! !
  96. BelPartizan
    +1
    11 May 2014 15: 22
    Indeed, I agree with many of the comments here. Propaganda has been going on for the last 23 years, and it was on crests that it had the strongest effect due to the peculiarities of their mentality. Everyone knows that there are Ukrainians and then there are arrogant, greedy and cunning ones. Almost everyone has encountered them in one way or another. This is some special type of people. It has been noticed that where 2-3 Khokhlas live, they infect dozens more Russians with their mentality. The thirst for freebies, cunning, etc. are contagious for fragile souls. Apparently all this has taken its toll and there is only one way to treat it - through suffering and personal experience. There is a prophecy that Russia will develop a very powerful not just a power, but even a civilization. The whole planet will follow us. And, well, their 20 million. We will take the Russians and they will return to us 20 years later after severe suffering and poverty have cleansed them. So, apparently, there is no need to touch Kyiv, let them do whatever they want. Free will...
  97. +2
    11 May 2014 15: 27
    Now Ukraine is like a drunken neighbor who has degenerated. First you give him a loan to help him get drunk, and in return he pisses at your door, you just give him some vodka, just so you don’t shit him, and when you meet him, he spits in your face and smiles.
    You take a swing at him, and he falls and screams - they are killing you! Other neighbors come running to the scream and say: aren’t you ashamed to offend the poor? You are trying to explain something, but they don’t hear you. In the morning, this basement scourge will come again for the steward on duty and you are unlikely to refuse him. But what about the neighbor, even though...
  98. +1
    11 May 2014 15: 28
    Everything has its time. History will put everything in its place.
  99. salah
    +2
    11 May 2014 15: 31
    Goebbels has already deceived Europe
  100. +1
    11 May 2014 15: 45
    The choice between a piece of cheese and spinning a drum is always predetermined for a rat. For which I congratulate the rats.
    On the other hand, rats take 2nd place in terms of survival on Earth after cockroaches.
    Non-roaches of all countries - unite. Otherwise the rats will eat you.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"