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Ukraine: a lost war for brains

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Today, we can state with confidence the fact that the war for the brains of the Ukrainian inhabitants is lost with a bang. Sad but true.


It is hard to judge what the secret is here, but the media that support the Kiev junta won a complete and unconditional victory over the mind and consciousness of the average man in the street.

Apparently, the main part of the brains of the residents of Ukraine was not ready for such pressure. The old adage says that if a person says every day that he is a donkey, then soon he will start screaming in an ass. Apparently, this is what we are seeing.

What else can explain the general belief that today the Ukrainian media is being dumped on the heads of ordinary people? More precisely, in the head.

The Kharkov Fedorenko family, with whom I have been friends for more than five years, stops communicating with me. “We ate and drank together, you came to us. And now you are for those who want to crush us with their tanks". The finish, and yet quite reasonable people were a year ago.

The father of our lodger, Alexander Demyanenko, who has been working in Voronezh for three years, collects furniture, a Kiev pensioner who receives 700 hryvnia, declares to his sons: “I will die of starvation, but I will not take more of your bloody moskal money!”. And stops answering calls of both sons.

I am sure many of the readers will be able to give more than one such example. The essence is the same - total fear of Russia and everything connected with it. The adoption of the wording "separatists" and "terrorists" for residents of the south-east. Plus, sheer aversion to what the people of Donbass are striving for.

Strange, like the Slavic brains, but no idea.

This is who you have to be to believe that people in the house of trade unions in Odessa self-exploded, self-burned, shot and stifled. And further on the list. And they believe, oddly enough. Sufficiently relevant resources to look through. And condemn those who go to all, just to provoke a split unhappy Ukraine and act on the orders of the FSB of Russia. And of course, for Putin’s money.

The general attitude to events in the southeast is generally carcasses of light. According to the majority, there seems to be a bunch of corrupt terrorists and saboteurs abandoned from the territory of Russia. And only the fact that they are hiding behind local residents taken hostage does not allow the gallant armed forces and the National Guard under to cope with them.

About civilian casualties - silence.

How did it happen that such a big and beautiful people turned into a flock, driven by a gang that seized power?

Why is it necessary to brutally kill them in order for a clearing to begin in the heads of Ukrainians?

Why only a part of this people could find the strength to resist in this war for their tomorrow?

What else needs to happen in order for the Ukrainians to see their sight? More blood? More death? How many?

I am painfully sorry that only time will give answers to these questions.

Ukraine: a lost war for brains
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 11 May 2014 06: 12
    +11
    Dill Propaganda:
    http://content.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/vladimirovich7707/497/i-909.jpg
    1. KuigoroZHIK
      KuigoroZHIK 11 May 2014 06: 17
      +188
      "The most annoying thing is that the one who tells the truth always loses in the information war. He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything" Sheckley

      This is the reason. I hope that all the nonsense driven into the brains of the average man will be able to get out with little blood.
      1. Buran
        Buran 11 May 2014 06: 34
        +134
        Let Ukrainians not be offended at me, but their mentality - greed, obstinacy, arrogance, is that in you, also plays a small role. On what by the way specialists mediators also play.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 11 May 2014 08: 35
          +35
          Whatever happens, everything is for the better ... the blind will see clearly, the deaf will hear ... when TIME comes ...
          1. Thompson
            Thompson 11 May 2014 09: 37
            +12
            Everything seems to be so, BUT in this situation, time is human life!
            And when enlightenment comes to them ... the grandmother with a pitchfork on the water wrote
            1. Valrad
              Valrad 11 May 2014 23: 46
              +3
              Quote: Thompson
              Everything seems to be so, BUT in this situation, time is human life!
              And when enlightenment comes to them ... the grandmother with a pitchfork on the water wrote


              maybe not when
          2. Anastasios
            Anastasios 11 May 2014 09: 41
            +85
            EU accession
            1. raf
              raf 11 May 2014 19: 31
              +6
              So it will be! The poor joined))))) They will be needed there as the fifth wheel, such a tarantass)))))))
          3. Dilshat
            Dilshat 11 May 2014 09: 43
            +49
            The Baltic states have lost everything. Men in the West are working for a penny. Well, the Baltic states themselves have become European Europe. Well, what is their vision?
            1. alauda1038
              alauda1038 11 May 2014 10: 14
              +30
              they are not stubborn until the last dies, they will trend about the invaders and blame everything Russian
            2. Turkir
              Turkir 11 May 2014 10: 21
              +30
              You're right. This happens in all countries where nationalists intimidate the population.
              National priorities kill all spiritual priorities.
              Nationalism is a dead end for any nation. Nationalism and its extreme form of fascism, stupid any nation.
              Still, you don’t need to learn anything, a simple story, simple slogans and you have not noticed how you turned into Ukraine, and then into Okra.
              Ukrainians have been hammered into their heads that they are "special". This is a corrupting factor, for people whose head a sentence of four words no longer fits, but an automaton in their hand.
              A two-year education multiplied by a national "peculiarity" leads to dire consequences in any country.
              1. CALL.
                CALL. 11 May 2014 13: 32
                +15
                Quote: Turkir
                National priorities kill all spiritual priorities.

                Patriotism is an extension of the concept of love for one’s home
                Nationalism is an extension of the concept of love for family people.
                The only difference between patriots and nationalists is that nationalists who dream, like patriots, of a great Russia, have already realized a simple dependence: "the nation is primary, the state is secondary."
                There will be Russians - there will be Russia. There will be a mighty Russian nation - there will be a mighty Russia. With respect to other peoples living with us, on equal rights !!!
                1. Erg
                  Erg 11 May 2014 14: 04
                  +9
                  Many great thinkers at different times evaluated nationalism, and they are all positive. Currently, this concept is confused with fascism. Pravoseki and other nonsense cannot be nationalists by definition, because they bring destruction to their people and their land. They are just brainless, rotten soul miserable. I won’t even call them fascists, because Fascism is an ideology, but in order to have it you need a brain
                2. I do not care
                  I do not care 11 May 2014 14: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Z.O.V.
                  Nationalism is an extension of the concept of love for family people.

                  Features of National Nationalism laughing
                  Be careful with the definitions, Anatoly hi
                3. Turkir
                  Turkir 11 May 2014 23: 16
                  +4
                  Not very clear, the word extension. Love, it is either there or it is not.
                  Expanding patriotism is impossible. Either he is, or he is not.
                  I’m not your native and therefore you can’t spread nationalism to me, this expanded love for the native people living in your own home and other, other ...
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                  Answering Erg.
                  Many great thinkers at different times evaluated nationalism, and they are all positive. Currently, this concept is confused with fascism.

                  Always afraid to use common phrases.
                  I would like to know the NAMES of these great thinkers who at different times gave ratings (!).
                  No, they don’t confuse it with fascism. Conduct an experiment - take a few nationalists from different countries, read their speeches and .. dull uniformity of thoughts.
                  If you stick in their speeches the name of their ethnic group (a nation is a bourgeois term), then you will not be able to understand who it is! Some common phrases!
                  We are for prosperity ***! Our *** are humiliated. We *** will show them! *** must be in a privileged position, etc. etc. This has been going on for many years. It has already been, in Germany, in Italy, in Spain, in Croatia .. NOW it is in Ukraine, in Odessa, Mariupol, Donetsk, Slavyansk, Kravschnogvrdeysk.
                  These natsiks are just armed pawnsin the hands of multinational companies and banks. Natsik, then, shoot or they hang them or they run away .. in Rio de Janeiro.
                  And it was not the nationalists who won the war (they lost it), but the quiet patriots.
                  This is shown by History, but SEE is NOT all. But the Nazis are uneducated people. wink
                4. Russohol
                  Russohol 12 May 2014 17: 32
                  +6
                  Emperor Nicholas I once at a court ball asked the Marquis of Astolf de Custine, who was fleeing the French Revolution in Russia:
                  - Marquis, do you think there are many Russians in this room?
                  “Everything except me and the foreign ambassadors, Your Majesty!”
                  - You're wrong. This one of mine is a Pole, a German. There are two generals - they are Georgians. This courtier is a Tatar, here is a Finn, and there is a baptized Jew.
                  “Then where are the Russians?” Asked Custine.
                  - But all together they are Russian.
                  1. Kassandra
                    Kassandra 13 May 2014 08: 19
                    0
                    Custine was a disguised Russian,
                    maybe even a descendant of Anna Yaroslavna.
              2. Dezinto
                Dezinto 11 May 2014 16: 41
                +9
                So you very accurately described the essence, I have already quoted here recently, just about this - In my opinion, one of the Strugatsky said - "do not confuse patriotism with nationalism, the first is love for the homeland, and the second is hatred for everyone around."
                1. Turkir
                  Turkir 11 May 2014 23: 45
                  +3
                  do not confuse patriotism with nationalism, the first is love for the motherland, and the second is hatred for everyone around

                  -------------
                  Checked by me throughout my life repeatedly, I completely agree. Hatred is spiritless, barren.
                  I can add that their hatred is also flawed, like the impotent envy of a healthy man.
            3. alin12
              alin12 11 May 2014 12: 57
              +24
              Indeed, I always say with the Latvians that you wanted freedom, and now you are a NATO European collective farm and where are you free? There's nothing to say! Generally, they are afraid of the Russians at the genome level, although now they are no longer bullied by local Russians who know what they can get. I don’t it is clear that Ukrainians have always been like that or they really have lost their memory and conscience somewhere! Why are we Russians in the Baltic celebrating May 9th and they forgot who they are! There were not many Ukrainian fronts (I don’t know how much exactly) their ancestors turned over in their graves what their descendants do !
              1. Artem1967
                Artem1967 11 May 2014 17: 20
                +17
                There were 4 Ukrainian, 3 Byelorussian and 3 Baltic, as well as the Leningrad and Karelian fronts (in 1944-1945). Eternal glory to the fallen!
                1. kit-kat
                  kit-kat 13 May 2014 16: 51
                  0
                  Is this an allusion to the question "Where is the Russian front?".?
              2. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 11 May 2014 18: 33
                +4
                Quote: alin12
                I don’t understand either the Ukrainians have always been like that or they really have lost their memory and conscience somewhere!


                so yes nationalism has always been present in Ukraine.
              3. PATTIY
                PATTIY 11 May 2014 19: 02
                +12
                Quote: alin12
                Why are we Russians in the Baltic celebrating May 9

                Ukraine from the status of WINNERS passed into the stasus of the vanquished!
                VOLUNTARILY!!
                They celebrate May 8 with Germany. Ukraine - SHAME!
                Quote: alin12
                they forgot who they are!

                He who does not remember the past has no future!
                Ukraine has no future! However, like her! Crimea, New Russia ...
            4. alin12
              alin12 11 May 2014 12: 57
              +4
              Indeed, I always say with the Latvians that you wanted freedom, and now you are a NATO European collective farm and where are you free? There's nothing to say! Generally, they are afraid of the Russians at the genome level, although now they are no longer bullied by local Russians who know what they can get. I don’t it is clear that Ukrainians have always been like that or they really have lost their memory and conscience somewhere! Why are we Russians in the Baltic celebrating May 9th and they forgot who they are! There were not many Ukrainian fronts (I don’t know how much exactly) their ancestors turned over in their graves what their descendants do !
            5. raf
              raf 11 May 2014 19: 34
              +5
              It’s not yet clear-sighted, if NATO troops are deployed in them, you see, they’re afraid that the Russians will attack them laughing.What the hell they need, German bedding.
              1. Valrad
                Valrad 11 May 2014 23: 52
                0
                Quote: raf
                It’s not yet clear-sighted, if NATO troops are deployed in them, you see, they’re afraid that the Russians will attack them laughing.What the hell they need, German bedding.


                did the Poles see the light? too, after all, the Slavs ... will also be with Ukraine, unless of course our people come up with something
            6. zennon
              zennon 11 May 2014 20: 40
              +8
              Quote: Dilshat
              The Baltic states have lost everything. Men in the West are working for a penny. Well, the Baltic states themselves have become European Europe. Well, what is their vision?

              I was in Italy. I talked with our guide, she has been living there for 12 years. So she says:
              "Before, for Italians there was no difference between us. They believed that we are all the same. And now when you say that from Russia they ask:" From Russia from Russia? "If you say that yes, then you are beautiful otnosheniya.Esli from Dill something with-oh-oh-oh-everything else ... ".
              I ask, why? She answers:
              "The men are drinking there all over the place. Baba EVERYTHING is on the panel. They are holding them there for bsdl."
              This is how ...
            7. Siberian
              Siberian 11 May 2014 20: 49
              +7
              They don’t think so. Their narcissism knows no bounds. The main thing now - we lived 300 years under the Germans, 70 years - near Moscow and back we do not want! At the same time, it’s back to Moscow. As if now they live absolutely on their own. Relatives living there say that each new president is proud that the foreigner gave a loan (not a gift), but that he is silently proudly giving it away or knowing for sure that it sold out and got under someone else again.
              "We are a small but proud people" - they say so about themselves. Small - yes, about pride - where to look for it - immediately a mortal offense. They are wonderful. But pleased with themselves. Happiness to them!
              I can only tell the children that Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland are such a country where everyone together and everyone whines individually, everything is not for them, there are not so many more, there are many reasons. That's all about them.
            8. bytkeev
              bytkeev 12 May 2014 10: 13
              +1
              no, and probably they will no longer see clearly ... but all for the same reason ... propaganda that Russia is an occupier, they are not so good ...
            9. DefakeR
              DefakeR 13 May 2014 13: 25
              0
              Che there sex change and prostitute buzhiki and mabs?)))
          4. anfil
            anfil 11 May 2014 14: 59
            +27
            Whatever happens, everything is for the better ... the blind will see clearly

            There was a blind girl in the family. When the whole family sat down at the table, the girl felt her portion and said:
            - Again I got the least. Do you think that if I am blind, can you lie to me?
            This went on for several months until the mother went to the doctor to ask what she should do. The doctor advised to cook a bowl of dumplings and put the girl on the table. Mother did so. And having felt a sickly portion of dumplings, the daughter said:
            - Blyin, I imagine how much you fucked yourself
        2. Homo
          Homo 11 May 2014 10: 32
          +20
          Quote: Buran
          On what by the way specialists mediators also play.
          To this we can add that you can deceive someone who wants to be deceived!
          1. The centurion
            The centurion 11 May 2014 15: 58
            +6
            Quote: Homo
            To this we can add that you can deceive someone who wants to be deceived!

            It is not by chance that the Ukrainian classic Gogol, through the mouths of Dobchinsky-Bobchinsky, said: “It is not difficult to deceive me, I myself am happy to be deceived.” This is practically the creed of the Ukrainian mentality.
            1. zennon
              zennon 11 May 2014 20: 55
              +2
              Quote: Centurion
              It is no coincidence that the Ukrainian classic Gogol, through the mouth of Dobchinsky-Bobchinsky, said:

              Nikolai Vapsilievich is a RUSSIAN classic writer. He himself has spoken about this more than once. Only one autograph written by his hand in the Ukrop language is known, a letter to the Polish priest. EVERYTHING! No more lines. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Vladimir Nabokov, son of a high-ranking Russian dignitary level (Grandfather on the father's side, Dmitry Nikolayevich Nabokov, was the Minister of Justice in the governments of Alexander II and Alexander III. Father - Vladimir Dmitrievich Nabokov is a lawyer, a well-known politician, one of the leaders of the Constitutional Democratic Party (Cadet Party)), was an American writer of Russian origin .
            2. Anisim1977
              Anisim1977 11 May 2014 23: 41
              +4
              And the funniest thing is that for the whole world all the immigrants of the former USSR are Russians. Take for example anyone, let us say Uzbeks and Tajiks, we ourselves often confuse them, but where are they for example, or Chechens, Avars, Ingush, etc. - the American looks at him and affirms - Russian will be right. It is inside we ourselves know small differences - and outside our great Motherland we are all Russian. hi
          2. the same cat
            the same cat 11 May 2014 16: 59
            +23
            You are ahead of me HOMO. I cannot be brainwashed because my parents not only clothed and fed me, but also taught me to think, and critically. But such education is a big job. At school matinees, you immediately see that the most worthless children are dressed best. It is no longer possible for a teacher (even in elementary school) to reach out if he came from a family even without minimal moral guidelines. So then they go through life, reproducing their own kind. Somehow they argued at the table in a meadow (went to pick mushrooms), so one participant in the dispute came up to me afterwards and hissed: You were lucky that no one handed you in on time. "That's how. Until the hour of death he will think that all dissidents should simply be exterminated. This is called militant dullness. most comfortable, only then don't you ask For what?
            1. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 13 May 2014 16: 55
              0
              Quote: the same cat
              It is already impossible for a teacher (even in elementary school) to reach out if he came from a family even without minimal moral guidelines


              Could you clarify what period of Ukrainian history you are talking about.
          3. kotvov
            kotvov 11 May 2014 18: 21
            +3
            I tried to remember the phrase, I thanked you. If you still have your own mind, I don’t think it’s easy to drive into your head that your brother is your enemy. However, for some reason the Ukrainians were able to. So they were ready for this.
            1. PATTIY
              PATTIY 11 May 2014 19: 26
              +5
              Quote: kotvov
              however, Ukrainians for some reason could.

              “Fear Danians bringing gifts” (“Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes”),
              became a Latin proverb, and from the Romans passed into other languages.
              The events of the Trojan War are described by the Roman poet Virgil in the Aeneid and in the Illiad Homer. Based on historical facts and myths.
              Since then, the expression "gifts of the Danians" has become a symbol of deceit, deception, cunning, hypocrisy, and flattery.
              In 1991-92. after Ukraine gained sovereignty, an incredible flow of funds from the United States poured into the country. They sincerely helped "..." the country to get back on its feet in every possible way. Now we see what we see.
        3. Alekseev
          Alekseev 11 May 2014 10: 45
          +18
          Quote: Buran
          but their mentality - greed, stubbornness, arrogance, is there in you, also plays a small role. On what by the way specialists mediators also play.

          That's for sure! In my opinion, it is not so much greed as arrogance, that is, pride is a mortal sin, and suffering for it.
          And how do the broadcasting of May about the lost war for the minds explain the fact that in the Donbass most of the minds did not succumb?
          Or is there "weaker" propaganda, or "stronger" minds?
          The point is not only propaganda.
          What in the USSR was not carried out propaganda for the Soviet government and the Communist Party?
          And what came of it ...
          Congratulated on May 9 his relatives (Odessa and the region, Kharkov and the region), and friends in Ukraine.
          I didn’t hear any condemnation of the Russian Federation from most of them (though it’s ethnic Russians, although they have lived in Ukraine all their lives), and quite the contrary.
          Although the propaganda is the same. Many who are smarter do not watch Ukrainian channels in principle. they know perfectly well that they are "making nonsense" there.
          But, interestingly, it is often educated people who fall into hatred of Russia and Putin personally, they carry nonsense that, they say, they burned themselves in Odessa, etc., while ordinary workers retain "a clear mind and a firm memory."
          1. smile
            smile 11 May 2014 11: 59
            +15
            Alekseev
            Sorry, but do not be like samostinikami, proving the flaw of the Ukrainian people-because they are precisely the flawed Russian hammered their population.
            Our few urbanists carrying Nazi symbols are exactly the same as the bandarlogs. And if we had 23 years on every corner, like in Ukraine, yelling about what their media and top officials of the state were talking about, then we would have as many Natsiks as in Ukraine.
            And do not compare with our propaganda during the USSR - it was completely different. Theories of racial superiority are much more attractive - it is always more pleasant to consider yourself much better than others than that everyone is equal, it is more pleasant to consider that you are not to blame for the fact that you live badly, but a bad neighbor ... especially if the arctic fox comes home ... . It's like in kindergarten, children learn bad words much faster than anything else ... :)))
            And about educated people - this is a pattern. It’s the cf..i tiligent who first picks up such theories - it’s the tiligent who first became infected with Ukraine in the 19th century (it’s known, with whose supply) and began to instill it among the Russian people living in Ukraine, it was the tiligent who developed and was imbued with Nazi theories in Germany, and then the shopkeepers became infected .... In Klaipeda, for example, the Conservatory was traditionally the hotbed of Lithuanian nationalism ... :))) simple workers are struck by all sorts of rubbish last .... unfortunately, this has already happened in Ukraine ... yes add here young people up to 30 years old, who from the kindergarten were convinced that they were to blame for everything ... whether .... here is the logical result ...
            1. hyperboreia
              hyperboreia 11 May 2014 12: 58
              +7
              Yes, Lenin's definition of some intelligentsia is often confirmed. It was not for nothing that Joseph Vissarionovich kept all unions under control. The irresponsible chatter of some intellectuals (Or those that are smarter, but for preferences) have never led anything, intoxicated by their self, dubious "learning" leads to sad consequences. But it's time to debunk the myths. including the "civilization" of the West. Yesterday on the train I accidentally got into a conversation with a lawyer. He tells me that with us the life of a person does not mean anything, or else the matter is there. I ask him, and on what scales it was weighed, what instrument was measured, and he could not answer anything. But again, from the same opera, here we have not developed the concept of the rights of the individual (of course, they do not speak about obligations to society). That's right, you are right, because, thank God, we did not have such a developed legal business, which the "civilized" ones got into every family. This is me, for example, that it is necessary to more actively discredit any unsubstantiated propaganda nonsense that corrupts society and the state.
            2. Alekseev
              Alekseev 11 May 2014 14: 20
              +5
              Quote: smile
              do not be like samostiynik, proving the inferiority of the Ukrainian people

              Yes, I don’t prove the inferiority of the whole people, but that is, that is - very many have become (or already were, only now aggravated) flawed. In kindergarten, all this is understandable, but we are not talking about small children ...
              And the theory, well, even if not "pure", of racial superiority touched not only pravosekov and inveterate Banderlog.
              It is formulated somewhat softer: they say, Ukraine is the most advanced in the post-Soviet space, people there are by no means "quilted jackets" and "sovoks", gay Europeans know the real history even without five minutes, but ... Russia and Putin personally interfere. yes Etc. etc.
              They need to be treated, and as it should, they already wrote here.
            3. vlad63
              vlad63 12 May 2014 11: 03
              +1
              There is no such nationality! As, indeed, Belarusians, for all these are Russian people in essence. Of course, this is a strictly scientific conclusion that does not take into account political and historical development. And where there is politics, interests and lies prevail there.
          2. Erg
            Erg 11 May 2014 13: 35
            +12
            I periodically watch Ukrainian channels. For me it’s like going to the zoo. But seriously, in order not to lose vigilance. You need to know a lot about the enemy, this is part of the force. And I also want to note. Education and horizons, based on their own desire for this, do not allow the adversary to distort our soul. A person easily turns into a vegetable if he does not make an effort towards enlightenment. I didn’t want to offend anyone
            1. Roshchin
              Roshchin 12 May 2014 13: 31
              +2
              And I also watch Russian channels from time to time. For me, in most cases, this is like a trip to the world of vulgarity, deceit, fooling, slandering our country and its history. Instead of normal people doing useful things, there are endless pusi rights, Polonsk, bulk, posners, houses-2, etc. This is done not out of thoughtlessness, but by design. Nostalgia for ears of corn and grain and legumes, rolling mills and news from the fields. A pleasant exception is Russia 24, RT and some programs from other channels. But even the coverage of the latest events in the South-East is done somehow awkwardly: endless repetitions of the same stories and rumors under the guise of efficiency. Who is it for? There are few opinions and stories about the real participants in the events: residents, militias, captured soldiers of the Ukrainian army and mercenaries (show them at last). So that in Russia we will not let the adversary distort our soul
          3. The centurion
            The centurion 11 May 2014 16: 14
            +16
            Quote: Alekseev
            What in the USSR was not carried out propaganda for the Soviet government and the Communist Party?
            And what came of it ...

            When he served in the army (DMB 82-84), often in the officer's hotel they played preference. Among us were officers of the Dnieper hoh-ly (Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava). So, after the third glass, they traditionally started their goat song: “Ukraine is rich, we have everything. But the Union (moskali) is robbing, they have eaten up all our lard, drank all the vodka, and cracked down on all the marvels. ” It was unpleasant for us to listen to this nonsense, we stopped inviting them. So they have it in the blood and very, very long time.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 11 May 2014 16: 52
              +1
              Want to add. Another purely Ukrainian feature: - "if I can't eat, then I will have a snack."
              1. Naum
                Naum 11 May 2014 18: 28
                +5
                More precisely - "sho ne zim, te nadkusuyu" (what I do not eat, then nadkusuyu). Unfortunately, redneck has become an acquired trait of "ukroharaktera". While the future "Okraintsy" were Little Russians, everything was much cleaner and better. I speak as a Little Russian Slobozhan.
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 11 May 2014 20: 18
                0
                Do not bite, so bite! You see, everyone knows this, in all parts of the world!
          4. raf
            raf 11 May 2014 19: 47
            +2
            In the USSR, there was agitation, let it be known to you, Mr. Alekseev, for the Soviet power, by the way, not the worst of the existing and existing ones. BUT, in the USSR and RUSSIA, national strife, nationalism, etc. have never been promoted. But what "wonderful "We see the picture now in Ukraine.
        4. Georgich
          Georgich 11 May 2014 10: 45
          +10
          Who served in the Soviet Army urgent, I think, will agree. What is listed above does not diminish, nor add.
          1. pavlo
            pavlo 11 May 2014 18: 28
            +2
            Arrogant to the ass-right then they said-without bast-what yuyuu without testicles.
          2. raf
            raf 11 May 2014 19: 51
            0
            laughing That's for sure: without a tag, that help without printing.
        5. smile
          smile 11 May 2014 11: 38
          +14
          Buran
          Firstly, the mentality of the west and east of Ukraine is radically different in general.
          Secondly, apologizing and telling Ukrainians nasty things, you, in fact, poured mud on yourself - Ukrainians are just part of the Russian people living in Ukraine.
          thirdly, total mass propaganda from anyone will make anyone. On the contrary, one should wonder why the Ukrainians have not yet completely turned into fascists — Hitler’s propaganda had much less time to completely lose the human face of a significant part of the Germans ....
          1. The centurion
            The centurion 11 May 2014 16: 20
            +1
            Quote: smile
            Firstly, the mentality of the west and east of Ukraine is radically different in general.

            How do western Ukrainians differ from eastern ones? Westerners consider that the European Union should maintain them, while the Easterners consider that they should be maintained by a customs union, more precisely, Russia. Only that is the difference. It is regrettable to admit it, but the policy of Yanukovich and Co. is a mirror portrait of the East Ukrainian mentality. Before you get into this mess-Malasha, you need to think hard, otherwise you will get another Ruin, as it was the last time: http://topwar.ru/33813-perehod-kazachego-voyska-getmanschiny-na-moskovskuyu-sluz
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          2. lg41
            lg41 11 May 2014 23: 14
            +1
            You are absolutely right. For all three points. The third point is especially important. An important part of modern warfare is the information war. USA, waging an information war, destroyed Ukraine as a state, won a complete real victory. Russia needs to learn a lesson from this.
          3. Roshchin
            Roshchin 12 May 2014 14: 00
            0
            As Raikin used to say: "Jokes are jokes, but there can be children." So here too - propaganda by propaganda, but their own brains must also dwell somewhere. And information should be drawn not only from one, very muddy source, but also from cleaner ones. The same Internet, satellite TV, relatives on both sides of the border. And to call Russia a ray of light in the dark kingdom somehow does not work. Try to drive a few kilometers away from any major city and see who and how they live, what they do (we will not count the cottage settlements on the former fields). And the scale of theft and corruption in Russia amazes even people from the east. So, the difference between Russians and Ukrainians is not in the amount of gray matter in the brain, but in the amount of oil and gas
        6. Fin
          Fin 11 May 2014 11: 39
          +4
          Quote: Buran
          Let Ukrainians not be offended at me, but their mentality - greed, obstinacy, arrogance, is that in you, also plays a small role. On what by the way specialists mediators also play.

          That's right. And also a passion for freebies and to mingle. They never admit their mistake until they feel it on the hump. In the fall, universal insight will come, except for Svidomo.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 11 May 2014 16: 57
            +4
            Yes, autumn will dot and dot. Still, the pipe must be closed, finish the freebie. negative
        7. hyperboreia
          hyperboreia 11 May 2014 12: 35
          +8
          About 30 years ago I witnessed such a scene: a battered Polish runabout with rags stopped on the highway on the way to the Carpathians. So immediately a little further a Ukrainian car stopped, a well-fed husband and wife jumped out of it (a husband with a wallet in hand) and ran to the Polish car to "buy something." So I still have this scene in my memory, because it is too symbolic for a certain mentality that developed back in Soviet times. Alas, it all starts small. Even then, a person was assessed as follows: MAE chi is not May (has money or not).
        8. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 11 May 2014 15: 25
          +5
          I almost agree
          Today, we can confidently state the fact that the war for the brains of Ukrainian inhabitants was lost with a bang

          You can’t lose the war for what is not (And judging by the behavior of the majority of the population, there is nothing to lose there). My stepfather almost stopped talking with his sister and nephews in the Vinnitsa region .; the parents of his wife’s close friend (originally from Khmelnitsk) also stopped communicating with their relatives who remained in Ukraine. It will be more accurate to say in both cases the Ukrainian side of the relatives ceased to communicate; the initiative for breaking the relations occurred in both cases on the other side. The reason is the same as the author mentions in the text - a complete misunderstanding of what is happening and rejection of everything connected with Russia.
          How did it happen that such a big and beautiful people turned into a flock, driven by a gang that seized power?

          the question arises - "Was there a boy?"
          And there was no single people (for those who dare to see the definition of "people".
          In general, I look at today's events from the other side, as a test, a battle test, which most of the Ukrainian population failed miserably. Know this and be.
        9. the same cat
          the same cat 11 May 2014 17: 08
          +10
          Correctly you have listed all the signs of parochialism + "vrats - not to confess"
          The directors of this action were originally from Austria-Hungary and more than a hundred years ago they conceived ANTIROSSIA, and the current ones only picked it up. And the more mediocre a person, the more complaints he has for everyone and he lives with resentments, past, present and nurturing the future. After all, it is much easier than working productively.
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        11. Botanologist
          Botanologist 11 May 2014 22: 11
          +3
          Quote: Buran
          but also their mentality - greed, obstinacy, arrogance,


          I will also add that Ukrainian identity since the collapse of the USSR was of a mythological nature. Back in 1994, one "independent" one proved to me that some hetman had laid a couple of barrels of gold in the Bank of England, and now everyone can live comfortably for interest for interest. The funny thing is that it is of some kind of clinical nature.
          Crimea is "our". Gas is almost "ours". Happiness is just about, and we'll grab it. And they don't even look at underfoot - they lifted their nose and look at the sky. They are looking for happiness.
          .
        12. ioann1
          ioann1 11 May 2014 22: 59
          +4
          Buran, you very rightly noticed. In Ukraine, there has always been a certain obstinacy, a conviction of one’s own rightness in everything. I do not know such a case that in the conversation about relations between Russia and Ukraine, Ukrainians conceded: no, Russia is always to blame. Back in the late 90s, when a house was blown up in Pechatniki, my relatives (who live in Ukraine) convinced me that the evil Putin with far-reaching plans had arranged it. Brad, but they believed in him, even then. It seems that the more absurd the situation, the more faith they have in this ...
          For more than 30 years, in my memory, the West worked on Ukraine: the Voice of America, the Air Force and other Western media, hammered into the heads of Ukrainians that they are so great that the RSFSR takes away all the best from the Ukrainian SSR. These great ones, in pursuit of Western values, got a complete fascist set as a result!
        13. l0672435109
          l0672435109 12 May 2014 00: 33
          -5
          Yes, this is your soviet mentality. Do not fuck all in one pile to sculpt. Putin is afraid of fire like a prosperous (in the future) Ukraine. And you are all here to give him a little nonsense. Either say that there is no such people as Ukrainians, then you declare that he has some special mentality. And you just look at yourself and see in yourself both greed and imperial arrogance (they say Russian is a big brother and the rest is such a trifle)
        14. kr33sania
          kr33sania 12 May 2014 03: 24
          +1
          This mainly refers to the people of Kiev. The guys just snickered, as we have some Muscovites in Russia.
        15. fktrcfylhn61
          fktrcfylhn61 12 May 2014 07: 41
          0
          There is such a thing: But not winters, I’ll bite you!
        16. Amateur
          Amateur 12 May 2014 16: 51
          0
          And envy turning into hatred ... and ignorance.
        17. aina01
          aina01 13 May 2014 17: 15
          0
          when born - a Jew cried (an old Russian proverb)
      2. General Frost
        General Frost 11 May 2014 06: 35
        +9
        Well, at the end of the article, as they say, "The goals are indicated, the photo is provided." God forbid that the hand would not flinch.
        1. PATTIY
          PATTIY 11 May 2014 20: 05
          +3
          Quote: General Frost
          photo provided

          Illustrations. The book "Bomber of the Eastern Front. 1945. Agony of the Third Reich" - Paul Born.
        2. PATTIY
          PATTIY 11 May 2014 20: 08
          +7
          Quote: General Frost
          Goals are indicated.

          Goal number 2
          1. PATTIY
            PATTIY 11 May 2014 20: 16
            +4
            Quote: PATTIY
            Quote: General Frost
            Goals are indicated.

            Goal number 1
      3. varangian
        varangian 11 May 2014 06: 52
        +30
        The fact is that nobody needs the truth ... and I agree with the author, how the consciousness of people has changed dramatically. Sam from Crimea, so my friends (former) from Kiev, they don’t understand ... no, they don’t want to understand what is happening. ..That I personally became a traitor for them, although that year they came to rest with us. Together they ate vodka and kissed the gums, and now they are a traitor to the Motherland ... Although I myself am Russian, and we served first the union, and then Russia , and moved to Crimea, because he is Russian ... So what's the betrayal? I’m probably standing in a ski boot, I don’t go skiing, I’m ....
      4. Children BuryKonya
        Children BuryKonya 11 May 2014 07: 05
        +12
        In any war, the first victim is truth (s)

        Will it succeed ..
      5. mirag2
        mirag2 11 May 2014 07: 18
        +10
        It is very easy for ordinary people, the bulk, to put any shnyag into their heads.
        Especially with the prohibition of freedom of speech, as in Ukraine.
        It can not be in any other way.
        Not a loss, purely Ukrainians blocked our media, but they untied their hands with their own and put them above morality.
        1. On the bayonet
          On the bayonet 11 May 2014 09: 35
          +17
          The article is "thin", it shows us that the human brain, both in Ukraine and in Russia and throughout the world, is like plasticine, after all, after reading this article, even some of us, comrades, judging by the comments, believed that information war lost and are forced to look for or justifications "how did it happen" and find a "natural" explanation for this for themselves (from external black forces to the weakness of our information forces). But it is important to understand that, despite the available Power of TRUTH on our part, we too easily lose confidence in our strength, unreasonably, relying only on a few special cases among the author's acquaintances. Here he is "plasticine" in action! I believe that there are thousands of times more intelligent and understanding people in the former Ukraine than ultra-right-minded people, but the mentality "my house is on the edge" prevents them from openly expressing their true desires and standing up for a just cause against the fascists. Morality! Let us and you and I will not soften our brains to the state of "plasticine" relying on this or that information! We believe in the Power of Good, we believe that the Truth is ours and we will still defeat the fascist bastard always and everywhere! In the age of modern communications, we ourselves are obliged to bring our Truth to the consciousness of Mankind, and not wait for someone to do it for us. PS I do not want to offend or belittle anyone's innermost thought. It's important to be strong! After all, a real war is going on and there is no room for weakness.
          1. alauda1038
            alauda1038 11 May 2014 10: 21
            +3
            not lost, but the positional deadlock, it will hold somewhere until the fall, then ukraim will have to do something and choose with whom they are or die and freeze, Europe will throw them how to drink while holding the team to the foot with small handouts but this applies to those who are on top but the rest will have to be very shitty, then Russia can start an information war, although not everything is good in our country, but we have stability and a shortage of workers
            1. cokolkz
              cokolkz 11 May 2014 11: 39
              +4
              I’m afraid that Russia will be at an impasse by fall if nothing changes. Under the agreement, gas should be delivered to Poland and Slovakia, only there it was measured and calculated. And Europeans directly say that theft in Ukraine is a problem for the Russian Federation. Europeans also do not want to revise the treaty, why do they need someone else's headache ... So Russia will have to pump all the gas that Europe buys, plus all that Ukraine will “intercept”. And what can I do - I won’t put my mind to it, It is better for Putin and Miller to draw up contracts for the future, probably.
              1. smith7
                smith7 11 May 2014 14: 31
                +2
                I think they will go in Europe to change the conditions "to Poland". They will have no other choice. The South Stream is under construction - there will be even fewer problems. Everything will be fine. I believe.
              2. Alekseev
                Alekseev 11 May 2014 19: 15
                +2
                Quote: cokolkz
                Under the agreement, gas should be delivered to Poland and Slovakia, only there it was measured and calculated.

                Well, probably yes, but there’s force majeure and many other factors. In addition, the transit has already been paid, that is, they have taken the money, which means they have undertaken to complete the work.
                By the way, Yamal-Europe also passes through Poland. And in the Czech Republic, it is possible to pump from Germany, the Nord Stream is barely half loaded due to the position of the geyropa (3 energy packages are also afraid of Ukrainian puppets)
                But the main thing is not the intricacies of contracts. Main condition not changed - Europe really needs gas!
                Therefore, most likely, Nord Stream will be loaded to the fullest, and dill will be forced to transit, and money will be given, and the South Stream will be built. Gazprom, most likely, in order not to aggravate it, will slightly lower the price.
                And now, as a condition for successful negotiations on gas and everything, we must defeat the Banderlog army in the Donbass.
                And in Normadia in June, GDP will already be put up with the EU and the USA.
                May be so...
              3. Kassandra
                Kassandra 12 May 2014 00: 47
                0
                and if Ukraine will take 9/10 gas?
                revise the contract and all matters if Europe needs gas
                it’s not needed - we will build the greenhouses themselves and we will build them up.
              4. aleks700
                aleks700 12 May 2014 14: 44
                +1
                Well, we know what to do. Ukraine steals - the problem of the European Union. And only so. Not a cube from the top. Autumn is a wonderful time. In the cold, Europe will be more accommodating.
                1. tasey
                  tasey 13 May 2014 14: 52
                  0
                  Russia must firmly adhere to the fact that transit has been paid for, therefore, the "democracies" have further problems. They will scream - scream! There is a way to get rid of thieves - YOU were OFFERED. Let them freeze - there is no choice.
        2. Anastasios
          Anastasios 11 May 2014 09: 43
          +33
          In Ukraine, a unique revolution took place, where the rich robbed the poor, and with their own hands raised money for another revolution so that the oligarchs came to power. Then these same oligarchs again raised money from the poor for the army, so that later they could send this army to the same poor.
          The history of such examples does not know.
          Here it is, damn it, dialectics ...
          1. Rider
            Rider 11 May 2014 11: 03
            +2
            Quote: Anastas
            The history of such examples does not know.

            very accurately noticed.
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 11 May 2014 17: 11
            +4
            Hands splash !!! Further, these same oligarchs will tear off the people from below to bury the representatives of the same people killed by them (oligarchs). In how. fool
          3. Yurban
            Yurban 11 May 2014 21: 32
            0
            By the way, I already read it in comments, it is well said, but it seems to me someone else, sorry if I'm not right.
          4. Kassandra
            Kassandra 12 May 2014 00: 36
            0
            diaNetics, in fact, and other brain dislocating sects
      6. ya.seliwerstov2013
        ya.seliwerstov2013 11 May 2014 08: 24
        +27
        Drug addicts all over the world are interested in: “Where does Ukraine take such nonsense? !!”
        1. tehnoluks
          tehnoluks 11 May 2014 12: 08
          +2
          Give drug addicts: Russian gas from the pipe. On a cube in a snout. For the night.
      7. ver_
        ver_ 11 May 2014 09: 21
        +1
        ....To each his own....
      8. Rostislav
        Rostislav 11 May 2014 12: 06
        +3
        Little blood - hardly. How much it took to beat the fascist dope out of their heads. And even then they didn’t completely knock it out, there were bastards.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 11 May 2014 17: 13
          +6
          Yeah. Minus one to grandfathers.
      9. wax
        wax 11 May 2014 12: 31
        +5
        It’s not entirely true, because Ukraine simply blocked information flows: nothing comes to the layman, except for what the junta says, having adopted the lies and provocations, and purchased media. The American total media control project is being tested in practice. What happened makes us wonder what to do when it becomes impossible to convey true visual information to the public when blocking data transmission channels. Apparently, you just need to destroy the totalitarian system of misinformation using space-based means of control and suppression of signals. The media is becoming a weapon of mass destruction. And this is a new factor in world conflicts.
      10. 222222
        222222 11 May 2014 12: 34
        +2
        ..lose an information war, but lose territory ..
        Why lose the information war?
        Almost 80% of the economy (and this is the basis of the state), 100% of the media (and especially TV is the main means of zombifying the masses), power is in the hands of a certain national group far from national interests and, most importantly, from the needs of ordinary people ..
      11. Skipper2050
        Skipper2050 11 May 2014 13: 01
        +1
        This is the reason. I hope that all the nonsense driven into the brains of the layman can be beaten out with little blood. [/ Quote]

        It will not work, because even in Russia - the Ukrainians brothers, having talked with relatives from Ukraine, call the Russian aggressors and yam.
      12. valerei
        valerei 11 May 2014 13: 02
        +2
        Quote: Kuygorozhik
        This is the reason. I hope that all the nonsense driven into the brains of the average man will be able to get out with little blood.

        As I wrote twice in my comments, that the amount of blood spilled in Ukraine should go into quality only when this happens? God grant that the examples given in the article relate to a clear minority of the Ukrainian people. One thing is clear that if Bandera finally comes to power, then it will not seem to anyone, but it will be later, but for now, most people remain neutral, unfortunately.
        1. Kassandra
          Kassandra 12 May 2014 00: 59
          0
          why for?
          it just has to pour as much as possible. and then the Russian one should start pouring,
          otherwise it would have been just a preemptive introduction of the MS at the end of April when Shoigu had "warned".
      13. Name
        Name 11 May 2014 13: 50
        +6
        Quote: Kuygorozhik
        The most annoying thing is that the one who tells the truth always loses in the information war; he is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything

        Truth in the cube! hi Tomu Shackley confession. You can’t say more accurately, you just have to express your opinion:
      14. twviewer
        twviewer 11 May 2014 16: 50
        +1
        By the way, speaking brains mean animals, people have a mind or consciousness, something like that.
      15. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 11 May 2014 20: 54
        +3
        In Ukraine, soft power tools were used. And we lost the first round. But who said that soft power is stronger than brute force. Here blood came to the Southeast, and the suffering and brains of the average man quickly cleared of filth. Starting in June, we (and the IMF) will use our brute-force instruments: we will close gas, push us to default, lower our pensions, raise our service fees, push our prices up, and six months later, central Ukraine will start to think differently. Lenin also said that being determines consciousness. Not some media phantoms.
        1. zennon
          zennon 11 May 2014 21: 03
          0
          Quote: Jurkovs
          Lenin also said that being determines consciousness. Not some media phantoms.

          No, this is from the introduction to Karl Marx's “Critique of Political Economy” (1859): “It is not the consciousness of people that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.”
      16. Anisim1977
        Anisim1977 11 May 2014 23: 31
        0
        The advice is simple - I just don’t have a TV (I don’t understand what I’m buying or I don’t understand yet)).
        I’m watching: Vesti24,1,2, sport - simply through Yandex having typed in a search engine a query - these channels have powerful Internet online broadcasting.
        Somehow hi
      17. sven93
        sven93 12 May 2014 04: 55
        +1
        Once, a very smart doctor came up with the idea of ​​Big Vraka. That is, if you lie on a small scale, there is a person who is not too lazy to check everything. And such a turn can have very unpleasant consequences. Therefore, you need to lie all the time, not stopping, then people, most likely, at least in something you will believe. For some reason, it is believed that you can’t lie constantly. And when a person wants to believe something, he will always find what.
      18. Duke
        Duke 12 May 2014 05: 51
        0
        "The most annoying thing is that the one who tells the truth always loses in the information war. He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything" Sheckley

        I absolutely agree.
      19. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy 12 May 2014 09: 37
        0
        Quote: Kuygorozhik
        "The most offensive thing is that the one who tells the truth always loses in an information war. He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything."

        And again I will quote the words from Vysotsky’s song:
        "The pure truth will triumph someday!
        If he does the same as a blatant lie! "
        Ukraine has once again proved that good must be with strong fists, and the truth - with a tinned throat.
        But what kind of "lost war for brains" are we talking about? War means at least two "armies" at war. On the territory of Ukraine there is one "army" - the Ukrainian media, where is the second? There is not only another "army" there, even small "partisan detachments" are not to be heard there. Now each "army" is drooling strictly on its territory, and the people are drowning in the saliva of their "armies". Here is the question of how to make these "armies" come together in a real "battle", and then we will see who will lose and who will win this "war".
      20. larand
        larand 12 May 2014 11: 19
        +1
        or maybe we don’t need their brains. Maybe we better stop supplying free gas and instruct more Iskanders, Poplars and Satans. In my opinion, this will affect the brains of all neighbors better than our attempts to appeal to their minds.
      21. Zordan
        Zordan 12 May 2014 15: 49
        0
        My friends from Melitopol also don’t speak with me, they say that Russian fascists ....
        But in that year they drank vodka in my Tula and said that it would be nice to be together ... and this is less than a year.
      22. DefakeR
        DefakeR 13 May 2014 13: 24
        0
        It is hard to believe that adults and literate people believe in this SLAG sincerely ..... how is this so? I myself am from Western Siberia, from Tyumen, so my heart bleeds when I see that these subhuman junts (without the letter n) are doing with the people ... just for the money .... I wanted to write an abusive word right now ... at first I couldn’t pick it up, then it came to the realization that these are not worthy (: *:?:% of Russian words, even if they accuse me, but I believe that the Rus’s memory will wake up and they will repent, and we will forgive and without blaming accept without words just accept. With God, Russia
      23. Blondy
        Blondy 13 May 2014 17: 18
        0
        In my opinion, from the Bible: Once you lied - who will believe you?
    2. bigELDAK
      bigELDAK 11 May 2014 10: 16
      +1
      real-time propaganda-read the comments of all invite to contribute (VIEW ON YOUTUBE)
      1. Leah
        Leah 11 May 2014 12: 36
        +2
        Comments are now disabled
        I killed the comment that there are no Banderas in Ukraine and they do not exist ... Bandera, not Bandera, whatever you call it, but right-wing radical nationalists who, judging by their slogans and chants, all are looking for some kind of enemies and yearn for their death, as if they exist ... And people in Ukraine do not see them, they just perceive them as a circus .. A friend is in Dnepropetrovsk, she told her that they had a march in Ukraine in honor of the creation of the ss chalicin, I ask: "Some of you have absolutely chtoli there ... ? " Answer: "Yes, it's just that, presentation, masquerading is simple"
      2. Erg
        Erg 11 May 2014 14: 45
        +3
        It was very amusing. Thank. What a pity for them all (TVshnikov). Once again convinced that you need to think with your head. I can once bear these reports to dust, but I do not want to waste time. Is it hard to call your east? Can it be hard to look out the window? Or look into your pocket, what’s there? Is there any pride in their armed forces? Aw, where are you, defenders of the reed? What can Ukrainians be proud of now? No one has plates to watch Crimea? Is it unnoticed that areas are running? Out of memory, in the end, what is the west? Is the point of no return passed, and again we must go to first grade ... Yes ... All this would be ridiculous, if it were not so sad ...
        1. Buran
          Buran 11 May 2014 16: 52
          +3
          It’s especially enchanting how they stole an old machine gun from somewhere, and they say that this is a special forces weapon. I'm crying laughing
      3. Buran
        Buran 11 May 2014 15: 42
        +1
        The very thing that Venediktov from the "ear of matzo" lowered below the plinth. But he warned them.
    3. Ross
      Ross 11 May 2014 13: 07
      +3
      It is a mistake to think that soon propaganda is valid only in recent months. All 23 of the year, a lie about us and the propaganda of Svidomo nationalism poured into the heads of Ukrainians. Read what Ukrainians wrote on the networks about us in 2010 .....
      http://politobzor.net/show-21056-chto-pisali-ukrainskie-blogery-o-rossii-i-russk
      ih-v-2010m-godu.html
      1. The centurion
        The centurion 11 May 2014 16: 36
        +5
        Quote: Ross
        It’s a mistake to think that propaganda is fond of acting only in recent months. All 23 of the year, Ukrainian propaganda has been filled with lies about us and the propaganda of Svidom nationalism.

        And indeed in the perestroika contusion of very many. A contusion is a severe injury, moving away from it for years, decades. I am pleased to observe people in Russia, many have moved away from the concussion, that is, from the once adored pseudo-ideals of perestroika. The misfortune of Ukraine and the Ukrainians is that their contusion was long before perestroika and the contusion is permanent and not passing. I was on a business trip in 90 for quite a long time, and not in any Western woman, but in Debaltseve. It is in the east of Ukraine, almost on the Russian border, and personally witnessed how they were preparing for independence. Simple laborers and engineers from the repair plant, mostly with Russian surnames, but with a hoh-lyatskoy soul. What I have not heard enough from them: we both nibbled them, didn’t give development, and don’t give resources, generally enslaved culturally, ideologically and economically. Now, if they are independent, they will rush into the future with leaps and bounds and they will prosper. And only a few doubted it. From morning to evening, discussions took place between the majestic, long-haired kobzar in embroidered shirts and unconvincing goggles who doubted. The spectacles muttered that without Russia they would have no resources and the industry would die. And the kobzari interrupted them in mid-sentence and spoke. Shut up Mos-Cal. You do not know the latest achievements of Ukrainian geological science. We have found countless deposits of gas, oil, ores, and listed the province where all this is. And damned Moskali do not allow them to develop, because they keep Ukraine in a black body. But when the kobzar declared that a kimberlite pipe was found in the Poltava province, I began to laugh and realized that he had distorted it. But what was my surprise when in the morning at the factory in KB I saw that no one was working, but they were discussing this nonsense, including about the kimberlite pipe. It was then that I realized that they were contused to the whole head and incurable, and their whole unattractive history is the rule, and Pereyaslavskaya Rada and B. Khmelnitsky are an exception. After that, there was more than once in Ukraine. Frankly, the changes in the souls are essentially small. The accent has changed, but still we are to blame for everything, that is, moskali. Only now, for leaving them, we do not help, do not keep and do not give gas for free. And now it's still getting worse. I do not strongly believe that the situation in the southeast is different than in the Dnieper region and in Zapadenschina. I suspect that our allies are not at all the majority there, this is not the Crimea. However, in two areas today a referendum, tomorrow we will find out the result.
    4. 222222
      222222 11 May 2014 14: 19
      +1
      What variant of the collapse of Ukraine would Turchynov and Yatsenyuk prefer? ("NATIONAL IDEA", Armenia)
      Artem Khachaturian (Արտյոմ Խաչատրյան)

      "" the two options for actions at the disposal of the Ukrainian authorities are obvious. The first of them is the continuation of the punitive operation to the very end in order to preserve the integrity of the Ukrainian state. The second is the rejection of the punitive operation and the beginning of negotiations with the South-East of the country for the same purpose.
      ... the state of the Ukrainian authorities as two drops of water is similar to the situation of Mikhail Gorbachev in 1991. Then the last Soviet leader also faced a dilemma: either by force to maintain the unity of the state, or by persuasion and requests. Gorbachev chose the second option and involuntarily buried the Soviet Union, thereby avoiding much blood and curses against him. Now the word and deed are behind the new Ukrainian leaders; let's see which option of the collapse of their state they prefer.

      Postscript

      If I were Yatsenyuk and Turchynov, with a pain in my heart, I would simply leave Ukraine, having previously sent the stolen goods to reliable countries (if any). This is certainly much better than fighting for the rest of your life for a dead cause. I believe they will also understand over time that maintaining the integrity of Ukraine is tantamount to reviving the body after biological death. It is sad to state, but it is a fact, this is exactly what they ordered from above. ""

      http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20140511/220190902.html#ixzz31OuBNpDt
    5. Sergey Krymsky
      Sergey Krymsky 11 May 2014 17: 48
      +3
      A month ago, the people of Kiev came to our plant (equipment maintenance). the first question was: "Where are the" polite people "" The question was explained by the fact that, according to rumors, "there" in the Crimea there is an automatic machine around every corner.
    6. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 May 2014 15: 59
      0
      there is no respected fundamental rift between us and the halls .. lay much earlier and deeper .. we all who served and communicated with these people, have long understood what abyss besides the language lies ...
  2. from punk
    from punk 11 May 2014 06: 12
    +6
    if you look into the abyss for a long time, then the abyss will look at you
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 May 2014 06: 15
      +34
      Was there a warrior for brains in Ukraine?
      And without a TV, the sea of ​​information on the Internet, everyone chooses the truth that he likes.
      A person wants to consider Bandera a hero, he considers him a hero, but does not want to, convince him to hell.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 11 May 2014 06: 34
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And without a TV, the sea of ​​information on the Internet, everyone chooses the truth that he likes.


        Not everyone has an Internet. Most, especially the older generation, take information from TV or radio.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 May 2014 06: 49
          +11
          Quote: mamont5
          Most, especially the older generation, take information from TV or radio.

          The older generation with St. George ribbons in Ukraine walks in spite of everything pouring from the TV, and young people have an Internet, but no brains hi
          1. ya.seliwerstov2013
            ya.seliwerstov2013 11 May 2014 08: 59
            +7
            The saddest in Ukraine are circus clowns: politicians are taking away all the bread from them.
            1. Anastasios
              Anastasios 11 May 2014 09: 44
              +10
              For a reliable crossing of the Ukrainian border, a rope must be presented instead of a passport.
        2. Rostislav
          Rostislav 11 May 2014 12: 17
          +3
          So the older generation knows the truth about the war, and about the Bandera people. It is more difficult for them to fool their heads than young people who for 20 years have heard nothing but lies. How can you tell the truth from the lie if there is nothing to compare with? If the only point of view is voiced, which is "correct"?
          1. Erg
            Erg 11 May 2014 14: 58
            +2
            I have always said that education and education are completely different concepts ... it turns out that with the people, like the Spaniards with the natives? For mirrors fooled? Well, I can’t believe it. Well not all the asses
        3. Erg
          Erg 11 May 2014 14: 32
          0
          The older generation must remember the USSR. Really forgot ...
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 11 May 2014 17: 18
            +14
            Well, that is unlikely. soldier
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 11 May 2014 08: 40
        +15
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        A person wants to consider Bandera a hero, he considers him a hero, but does not want to, convince him to hell.

        This is true for the older generation, but not for the younger! They inspire them at school, inspire them on TV, on the same Internet. And yet, since this idea is being diligently introduced now, the war is on, and has not yet been lost!
        This is what "our authorities" said on Victory Day ...

        "... the prime minister of Ukraine Yatsenyuk in the heat of patriotic feelings he called Ukraine “one of the founding countries of the UN,” while the Prime Minister did not consider it necessary to mention the role of the USSR in the creation of this organization. “I ask you to refrain from any mass actions, and if you participate in them, do not succumb to provocations” - Concerned about maintaining public order in the country on May 9, Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

        His appeal was immediately followed by the MP Vladimir Aryev, calling the people who consider the guards tape a symbol of victory over fascism in World War II, provocateurs. Further, apparently, having a taste, Arseniy Petrovich outlined his vision, as a representative of the highest echelon of power, of the processes taking place in the south-east of Ukraine, in particular, the conduct of the anti-terrorist operation. “The anti-terrorist operation, which takes place in the Donetsk region and where our soldiers demonstrate the same valor as their grandfathers and great-grandfathers in the Red Army or UPA, is directed exclusively against terrorists” - emphasized the prime minister.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 11 May 2014 08: 42
          +12
          Quote: Egoza
          people who consider the guards tape a symbol of victory over fascism in World War II, provocateurs.

          And this is how people respond ...
          Dnepropetrovsk
          Rally near the Glory Monument






          1. Wels75
            Wels75 11 May 2014 09: 57
            +4
            Hello.
            Lena, thanks for the always interesting information.
            Judging by these photos, all is still not lost. And on the topic, a lot of things have already been said everywhere, but I will remain with everyone choosing the truth that he needs, convenient, like (emphasize the necessary).
            1. Wels75
              Wels75 11 May 2014 10: 25
              +1
              In pursuit of the fact that not everything is lost yet
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ymTcpRk_U
            2. Erg
              Erg 11 May 2014 15: 02
              0
              You forgot the bitter one. Or you don't like it. Yours faithfully
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 11 May 2014 17: 24
          +6
          Elena, what can you expect from an idiot. Write it in Ukraine. And here is what the idol of Maidannikov said:
  3. Evgtan
    Evgtan 11 May 2014 06: 16
    +43
    In Ukraine, a unique revolution took place, where the rich robbed the poor, and with their own hands raised money for another revolution so that the oligarchs came to power. Then these same oligarchs again raised money from the poor for the army, so that later they could send this army to the same poor.
    The history of such examples does not know.
    Here it is, damn it, dialectics ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 11 May 2014 06: 36
      +8
      Quote: EvgTan
      The history of such examples does not know.
      Oh come on ... Ukraine returned to the MIDDLE AGES, and in those days it was the ORDINARY ...
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 11 May 2014 10: 25
        +5
        Ukraine did not leave the Middle Ages, never. The psychology of the farmer.
        She still lives with myths from the Middle Ages.
        1. svp67
          svp67 11 May 2014 14: 51
          +1
          Quote: Turkir
          Ukraine did not leave the Middle Ages, never. The psychology of the farmer.
          Well, why in the days of the USSR they made a big leap from the Middle Ages, developing science and high-tech industries ... but with their collapse, they began to dehydrate quickly ...
          1. Igool
            Igool 11 May 2014 22: 05
            +4
            Yes, but this is not only the merit of Ukraine, even more likely the merit of Ukraine, and moreover, Kiev's nanny, Moscow, always howled. Where plans were made, "gingerbread" was distributed and the opal came from there. I will even say more - if Moscow was in charge now, none of this would have happened.
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 11 May 2014 07: 22
      +3
      Quote: EvgTan
      The history of such examples does not know.

      Quote: svp67
      Oh come on ... Ukraine has returned to the Middle Ages

      And the "revolution" is not over yet ...
    3. Strezhevsky
      Strezhevsky 11 May 2014 07: 31
      +5
      Here, the Dulles technique is right ..... united the people under a common hatred of almost themselves, the sad thing is that people with great pleasure go for it, the hangover will be very difficult.
      1. Erg
        Erg 11 May 2014 15: 06
        0
        In general, I am "interested" in looking at what will remain of the independent one. How will they live. Who will be chosen as leaders. Humanly scary for them
    4. valerei
      valerei 11 May 2014 13: 35
      0
      Quote: EvgTan
      In Ukraine, a unique revolution took place, where the rich robbed the poor, and with their own hands raised money for another revolution so that the oligarchs came to power. Then these same oligarchs again raised money from the poor for the army, so that later they could send this army to the same poor.
      The history of such examples does not know.
      Here it is, damn it, dialectics ...

      And we have? If it’s not exactly like in Ukraine, then, in many ways, it’s similar. Tighten your brains, bloggers! The only constant increase in excise taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel - there is a constant tax on us all, from those who have not yet been born and ending with those who have long been in the cemetery. And how much more was invented by our power-holders to rob us every second! So, there is nothing to nod at the mirror, if the faces themselves are crooked.
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 11 May 2014 22: 30
        -1
        Minus.
        For the inability to separate flies from cutlets ...
    5. Igool
      Igool 11 May 2014 22: 00
      +3
      Everything is very simple. When the people are looking for a way out in an armed uprising, an organization is urgently needed to lead this uprising. Remember the lessons of October 1917. This is the foundation. On the Maidan, those who considered themselves revolutionaries did not have such an organization. But there were already ready-made ones, such as "Right Sector", "Blow", "Freedom", which, naturally, took the opportunity to take the lead in order to gain real power. They all deeply relate to us. Their ideology does not allow them to reckon with the opinion of the opposite side: Either jump or "m.s.k.a.l.l." The entire modern history of Ukraine was built on the confrontation of the Ukrainians with Russia. I'm not familiar with this by hearsay, tk. I have relatives and friends there, we did not interrupt the connection, we went to visit them and saw all these changes, like on a temporary tape in a history textbook. What we have at this time is a sad but logical result of the decomposition of our community. I do not include Zapadentsev in this essay. This is a different story, but superimposed on the current situation in Ukraine, aggravating it. Because Western so-called "heroes" were constantly pushed through the education of the whole of Ukraine for praise, and their numerous criminal actions were either hushed up or distorted to give them the features of a struggle against Bolshevism.
  4. Sasha_Bykov
    Sasha_Bykov 11 May 2014 06: 25
    +26
    off topic but "Probably trying to save the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists blocked by the Syrian government forces in the Khandarat area (Aleppo), on the orders of MIT Turkish intelligence director Khakan Fidan and the notorious war criminal Recep Tayyip Erdogan, he tried to break into the area A Turkish military convoy, using HRF (Humanitarian Relief Foundation) equipment as cover, 4 trucks loaded with missiles, US-made small arms, ammunition, and accompanied by armed Turkish commandos, were heading towards the militants awaiting the continuation of Operation Canopus Star. Of course, the Turks did not conclude with the Syrian government and the military command on the delivery of the deadly cargo and the advance of the convoy through Syrian territory.

    As soon as the convoy approached the target at a distance of 7 km, the commander of the Syrian Air Force, Lieutenant General Issaam Hallaak ordered the destruction of the convoy. Combat aircraft deployed at the Kuwairis air base took seconds to reach the goal and complete the mission.

    The corpses of Turkish soldiers were identified by Syrian intelligence as part of a commando battalion seeking to attack the air defense command post in Handarat - the one that is blocking all operations of the Turkish Air Force in the area. Information about the military equipment of the air defense post in Khandarat was not disclosed. "
    1. Buran
      Buran 11 May 2014 06: 51
      +31
      What can I say ...?
  5. dorz
    dorz 11 May 2014 06: 33
    +6
    As one of the "leaders" of the Pravosek people said: "The greater the lie,
    the easier it is to believe in it. "
    Many, unfortunately, believe in what is comfortable for themselves to believe.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 11 May 2014 10: 26
      +2
      This is Goebbels said.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 11 May 2014 17: 27
        +1
        And Reagan quoted and confirmed.
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 11 May 2014 06: 33
    +5
    "It's hard to judge what the secret is, but the media that support the Kiev junta have won a complete and unconditional victory over the mind and consciousness of an ordinary citizen."

    So they went to this 23 year. Gradually, the minds were zombified, and now all at once poured. Few people can withstand such a pressure. Now only gradual counter-propaganda.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 11 May 2014 08: 33
      +5
      "So they went to this for 23 years."
      Not 23 years old, but rather, my dad told me that when he served in the army, and this was the beginning of the 70s, they had a Komsomol (!) Ukrainian, so he already bazaar that Bandera was a national Urainsky hero.
      1. sscha
        sscha 11 May 2014 08: 46
        +29
        I served with Bandera at the Central Exhibition Hall in 81-82.
        Even then, I was for them mos ...... b. (I got it for this word of bans).
        - Hang yourself, mos ..!
        - I’m from the Urals! (I naively believed that Muscovites are Mos ..., Siberians are Siberians, etc.)
        -One figs, hang yourself!
        Surname Komroty - Podprigora,
        sergeants - Davidyuk, Melnichuk, Tkachuk, etc.
        Hert - the brave, the lyuley piled on me. BUT....
        I took out a bayonet-knife and ... (dezh. Stood by the company)
        Blown away by the wind. And now their sons are reigning on the ball! Nude, nude ..... The one who laughs last laughs well. And our president does not so often publicly laugh. And if he laughs, then there is a reason ... hi
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 11 May 2014 08: 53
          +19
          Quote: sscha
          Hurt - the brave

          Here you are 100% right
          "In Kiev, a tall man with a" St. George's ribbon "on the lapel of his jacket entered the metro carriage, a nervous whisper went through the carriage. Two guys are talking:" Oh, Colorado! " Well, fuck he provokes ?! Well, right now, he is being "piled on" - "That is not, this hefty one, they are not" piled on. "Indeed, a man with a ribbon is a natural grenadier, it is dangerous to get involved with such a person. call."

          And yet, Kiev residents came out to meet with the veterans, leading small children. What a joy it was for our liberators!
          So all is not lost!
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 11 May 2014 10: 30
        +7
        Your father told the truth.
        I was in CA at the same time. Minister of Defense Grechko. All the sergeants in my division were Ukrainians, and half were Bandera. I had to lower one from the stairs. He did not understand another conversation.
        This thread stretches from the old days.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 11 May 2014 08: 49
      +13
      Quote: mamont5
      won a complete and unconditional victory over the mind and consciousness of the average man in the street. "

      Thank God not their complete victory! Otherwise, such letters would not have appeared ...

      Letter to Kharkovites and Odessa residents. Why is this all happening?
      Over the past 25 years, we have slowly destroyed our own hands with our own hands. We handed over entire factories to scrap metal, took huge ships abroad for pennies, plundered or simply indifferently buried entire industries, destroyed civilian and military education, replacing it with some cheap fake. We have practically forgotten how to produce and generally forgot what to create. We fled to gray or black import trading companies. Instead of rolling up our sleeves and rebuilding what was destroyed, we hid in shopping stalls and sell what others create. We cultivated a merchant, having driven creators, creators and hard workers underground, and accused them of not understanding anything in this life, calling them weaklings and cattle. We ruined the education of forced Ukrainization mixed with the idea of ​​mocking rejection of creation. They’ve killed so much that now there are practically no specialists in the real sector. How long will this go on? When will the understanding come that one cannot just show suicidal negligence in relation to one's future? What are Kharkovites and Odessans talking about now? I think that something like this: the West will give us credit and we will live happily; we don’t see a difference under which panels to work, if only we were left alone and we had enough money to fill the tank and buy a new gadget; why do we need to take care of creating our own know-how of the product, when you can go to the store and buy an inexpensive (in black imported) creation of someone else's thought.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/article-145179.html#title
  7. svp67
    svp67 11 May 2014 06: 35
    +5
    That's right, and the trouble with our media is that they are very SLIMMED, and many of them work "unprofessionally" ... any business should be done by professionals, then the result will be.
  8. delfinN
    delfinN 11 May 2014 06: 38
    +19
    It is necessary RT and broadcast to Ukraine
  9. Marconi41
    Marconi41 11 May 2014 06: 39
    +5
    Losing the information war in Ukraine is logical. Young people using the Internet yet on the Maidan decided for WHOM they are. The older generation tends to trust the box (TV). Well, and by the box they show only THAT what they need to show. In addition, the information channels of the West also do not tell the whole truth, but condemn Russia.
    Bottom line: A different (relative to TV) position is the position exclusively Russian, and Russia is the enemy. So what do we want from a simple Ukrainian layman ???
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 11 May 2014 13: 52
      +4
      Quote: Marconi41
      Losing the information war in Ukraine is logical. Young people using the Internet yet on the Maidan decided for WHOM they are. The older generation tends to trust the box (TV). Well, and by the box they show only THAT what they need to show. In addition, the information channels of the West also do not tell the whole truth, but condemn Russia.
      Bottom line: A different (relative to TV) position is the position exclusively Russian, and Russia is the enemy. So what do we want from a simple Ukrainian layman ???

      Losing yes .. I agree, The opinion that the one who tells the truth, loses, does not agree. In war, as in war, the Russian media is not the absolute truth in the last resort.
      It is necessary to conduct INFO war in Ukraine CORRECTLY. Avoiding failures (and in my memory there was already a loud failure with the "Odessa woman" who was in Kharkov and was everywhere and not only one failure), explaining the "defeats", looking for the opponent's failures and their nuances INFO war with the Ukrainian media.
      I believe that the Russian media lost to the Ukrainian not because of the truth (people see everything here and not in Russia) and not because of the beautiful lies of the Ukrainian media.
      Here are the wrong tricks (don’t think that I urge to lie to the Russian media as the Ukrainian do it right now, it makes me sick) of the Info War in Ukraine.
      Once again all the nuances are not taken into account .. incorrect organization, self-removal, etc. .. And the prohibition of the media is from powerlessness and lack of an opponent.
      The Ukrainian media took advantage of the impotence of the Russians on the Maidan (where it all began) and then turned all events into their own liability. They especially won in exposing the "setup" - the same "Odessa women", "Crimeans" and others ... And yes --- it was a provocation .. it was a defeat at which the Ukrainian media made a PR of the "falsity" of Russian news. Analysis of the "falsity" of the Ukrainian media has already started to trend - "this is said by the side that has already tarnished itself"
      In general, I can take a long time to parse the "debriefing" info of the war. But in order to conduct it correctly (mistakes will be and they are inevitable), it is necessary to create a Control Center, in addition to an Opinion Formation Center ... information weapons are capable of a lot ... I am sure that Russia has it (even though it is still in the process of becoming) or should be.
      The monopoly on "Pravda" --- will be only when you are trusted and verified and proven, they believe ..
      1. Erg
        Erg 11 May 2014 15: 21
        0
        Dear one, believe me - whatever happens in Ukraine fits into a clear concept of Russia's actions. Do you know how a tactician differs from a strategist? You draw (and quite rightly) to particulars, without noticing the main thing. And the caravan is on its way. And it goes where it should be. We here “below” cannot see the whole battlefield. We don't have all the information. But only a blind person does not notice the dynamics of the process, does not see the result that is already there. Trust the Strategist. Everything will be as we need it.
  10. Alex
    Alex 11 May 2014 06: 43
    +6
    Alas .. ukroSMI under the leadership of their western curators actually won victory. Unfortunately, we have always been weak in information wars both during the Soviet era and pozdorozhno. I recently called my Kiev friend to wish him a happy birthday. By the way, not a Bandera member, even not Ukrainian. Born and raised in Siberia, the son of a serviceman, over 50, studied with him since the first grade. We left for Kiev back in 80 years. So I ask him how are you, and I hear in response: "We would have had everything it would be good if your Putin did not climb to us. " And it was simply impossible to convince him.
  11. fa2998
    fa2998 11 May 2014 06: 47
    +10
    I'm sorry that I just want to show up on the topic. Did you see who won the Eurovision Song Contest? This is a disgrace !!! And these gays and trances teach us how to live! And sends observers !!! negative
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 11 May 2014 08: 52
      +11
      Quote: fa2998
      I'm sorry that I just want to show up on the topic. Did you see who won the Eurovision Song Contest? This is a disgrace !!! And these gays and trances teach us how to live! And sends observers !!!

      And the fact that 22 European countries (I don’t want to write it with a capital letter) put 0 votes for the Tolmachev sisters, doesn’t you say anything? Terry Russophobia thrives in the West, which is hammered into the heads of the common man there. We need to stop taking part in this politicized booth.
      1. Leah
        Leah 11 May 2014 13: 06
        +4
        The image of a bearded woman against the image of innocence, tenderness and natural femininity .... Europe chose a woman with a beard - we draw conclusions ... They have already gone crazy with their tolerance there)) Shame alone. The thought of Sadom and Gomor comes to mind, soon God will have patience with God, he will definitely arrange a second lesson for them)))
        1. Erg
          Erg 11 May 2014 15: 44
          0
          I generally thought it was makeup. I nearly vomited ...
        2. Artem1967
          Artem1967 11 May 2014 17: 49
          +1
          Will not burst. Where was he, God, when people in Odessa were burned alive with "cocktails", when a pregnant woman was strangled with a wire, and below the crowd was neighing, hearing her screams? Only we ourselves can and must take revenge on these creatures. And God is sleeping, apparently.
      2. Artem1967
        Artem1967 11 May 2014 17: 42
        +1
        I was stunned myself when I found out the name of the Eurovision winner! We need to quit participating in this disgrace. Yes, and the campaign is censored there, darkened with voices. It cannot be that the Tolmachevs, beautiful girls, who sang a far from bad song in this booth, 22 countries rolled a "wheel". In short, we have our own songs, they have their own.
    2. walter_rus
      walter_rus 11 May 2014 12: 03
      +1
      European gentlemen prefer freaks .....
    3. hyperboreia
      hyperboreia 11 May 2014 13: 11
      +2
      Why should RUSSIA participate in this dump of degradants?
    4. Erg
      Erg 11 May 2014 15: 27
      0
      Just IN TOPIC, friend. Go Ukraine!
  12. pexotinec
    pexotinec 11 May 2014 06: 47
    +3
    When the erring ones find out the truth, they still will not admit that they are not right and will bite their elbows quietly.
  13. Fedor Bolts
    Fedor Bolts 11 May 2014 06: 51
    +7
    I won’t beat you like that. If you read only this forum, you probably think that Ukraine is waiting for us with bread and bacon, and the end of America. Life experience shows that even in Soviet times no one in Russia and Ukraine I didn’t like it, and ordinary Russians were scornful towards us. Moreover, more than a generation of 35 and younger really understand Crimea as their territory (no matter what history says), so brainwashing took place not in the last 2 months. Yes, and who wants to see other people's tanks in in your garden .And here you can only hear screams, but now we’ll sweep everyone away, give a saber and a hat. Enough passed. In the 90s, P. Grachev also promised to take Yeltsin with one of the airborne regiments of Grozny. As a result, 2 wars, 6 thousand corpses . Therefore, Putin doesn’t come to them with tanks. They don’t wait for us there. And if you look at Vesti24 and read the info only here, you might think that Ukrainian girls were waiting for us with bouquets. Be realistic, enough to show pseudo-patriotism. You should love your homeland. And tie up to play tanks on the network, and then the hands are not itchy for some.
    1. walter_rus
      walter_rus 11 May 2014 12: 01
      +5
      When I studied in Kharkov in the last years of Soviet power, even then the society there was heterogeneous. On the one hand, the Banderaites, who, like a bad student from a joke, having learned one ticket, reduced any conversation to what kind of ancient culture the Ukrainians have and how they prevent ms from living. Others were supporters of the Russians, but they were not the majority either. And the bulk did not like Bandera, but they also distanced themselves from the Russians — like we ourselves. These, probably, now constitute the majority even in eastern Ukraine.
    2. sled beach
      sled beach 11 May 2014 12: 09
      -1
      I’m watching the news and what you’re not talking about. Can you see what you want to see? Feelings always subordinate the mind, forcing it to move along a given channel (rock). Here we have discussed many times that the bulk of the population of Ukraine is silent, accepting as it is. And all in confusion and media in the same place, where did you see that they were waiting for us in Ukraine? For some reason I see the opposite in the news. Do you doubt our ability to die for our country? Mina for stupidity.
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    4. Erg
      Erg 11 May 2014 15: 39
      +1
      By the way, the site is not bad. Lots of smart people. You shouldn't be so. And what I want to say. Putin is not Yeltsin. Did not notice? And what about flowers ... So I remember how the southeast in the 90s shouted that "stop feeding m .... lei." It was ... Well, time slowly puts everything in its place. Yours faithfully
    5. Sour
      Sour 13 May 2014 17: 24
      0
      Quote: Fedor Boltov
      I won’t beat you like that. If you read only this forum, you probably think that Ukraine is waiting for us with bread and bacon, and the end of America. Life experience shows that even in Soviet times no one in Russia and Ukraine I didn’t like it, and ordinary Russians were scornful towards us. Moreover, more than a generation of 35 and younger really understand Crimea as their territory (no matter what history says), so brainwashing took place not in the last 2 months. Yes, and who wants to see other people's tanks in in your garden .And here you can only hear screams, but now we’ll sweep everyone away, give a saber and a hat. Enough passed. In the 90s, P. Grachev also promised to take Yeltsin with one of the airborne regiments of Grozny. As a result, 2 wars, 6 thousand corpses . Therefore, Putin doesn’t come to them with tanks. They don’t wait for us there. And if you look at Vesti24 and read the info only here, you might think that Ukrainian girls were waiting for us with bouquets. Be realistic, enough to show pseudo-patriotism. You should love your homeland. And tie up to play tanks on the network, and then the hands are not itchy for some.

      Thanks for the sensible words, I will subscribe to each phrase.
      Especially about the Ukrainians of Soviet times, as well as at the expense of pseudo-patriotism.
  14. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 11 May 2014 06: 51
    +9
    The total pro-Western liberal media, free from state control, for the sake of the "great" ideas of complete liberalism, fool people. And not only in Ukraine, in Russia too.
    Remember the 90s in Russia, for example, the 1st channel ORT (Public Radio and Television) EBNuty gave the oligarch Berezovsky, who fooled people in enlightening a "noble" capitalist "free" society of "equal" rights and opportunities.
    By the way, until now this channel is a pro-Western liberal: "entertaining", and in fact corrupting the people of Russia, distracts people from the essence and causes of the negative processes taking place in Russia. From this channel came posners, dorenks, sorokins and other liberal scum, promoting Western liberal values, for the sake of which Russia should "lie" under the Western model of democracy.
    What can I say about the Ukrainian media, struck by everything else Russophobic Bandera nationalism, considering Russia, Russian enemies. In my opinion, only a situation similar to the defeated Nazi Germany can correct a situation, when the German people, in order to get rid of Nazism, drank so much shit and blood that most Germans now turn back on fascist Nazi ideology.
    1. Roman1970
      Roman1970 11 May 2014 07: 51
      +1
      About the German people, everything is more complicated ... After the war there was a long process of denazification ... And then they still have enough Nazis ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 May 2014 08: 20
        +8
        Quote: Roman1970
        About the German people, everything is more complicated ... After the war there was a long process of denazification ... And then they still have enough Nazis ...

        But there, power is on guard.
        Familiar in Germany, typed in a search engine Mein Kampf.
        Immediately a text appeared on the screen, approximately of such meaning.
        The police of Baden-Württemberg warn of an illegal act. If the request is repeated, you will be invited to talk.
        And the government in Ukraine practically uses nationalist policies
        1. Erg
          Erg 11 May 2014 15: 49
          +2
          The Germans are not fools to swallow poison themselves. Scientists already. And why not send neighbors ... Look, Angelka is trying as hard as she does with Abamkai
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 11 May 2014 17: 32
            +1
            Nothing, the Ukrainians will add yadka to them, when 4 nuclear power plants "bark", not without the participation of mattress mats, by the way. recourse
  15. anatoly57
    anatoly57 11 May 2014 06: 57
    +13
    I tried to prove something to my friends from Ukraine on social networks, cited documentary evidence, tried to use logic, and the answer was either abuse or - Shut up, horde!
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 11 May 2014 10: 37
      +3
      Brainless people only understand the language of power.
      Gas must be closed. Long.
      When in the morning the kettle has nothing to warm up, the brains begin to work in an enhanced mode. From intense mental work there will be many strokes. There is nothing to be done, they had to be trained at school.
      But Russia will be nicer. And much more.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 11 May 2014 10: 45
        +10
        Quote: Turkir
        When in the morning there’s nothing to warm up the kettle, the brains begin to work in enhanced mode

        And then everyone will begin to swear Russia! Well, she turned off the gas! No! here it is necessary to thinner, so that the people do not hurt, but the oligarchs crawled sideways! And, as I understand it, the Russian Federation acts like that.
        1. tokin1959
          tokin1959 11 May 2014 11: 15
          +2
          yes let them swear at first.
          then it may come.
          go to the store for fat with money, no money - no fat.
          so is the gas too.
          otherwise Moscow should give them a free gas.
          Go out for brushwood and boil the seagulls.
          pay, and you will get gas.
          they have "friends" in Europe, can they help?))))
          1. walter_rus
            walter_rus 11 May 2014 12: 28
            +6
            And by the method of gingerbread alone, gratitude cannot be earned. Let's remember when the USSR collapsed and Russia weakened, how many former "friends" whom we helped even to our own detriment began to spit at us. What is easy to get is not appreciated.
            1. sscha
              sscha 11 May 2014 17: 37
              0
              That's right, walter! We then regularly supplied gas. In short - how many wolves do not feed, he still looks into the forest. hi
          2. hyperboreia
            hyperboreia 11 May 2014 13: 20
            +1
            Will not reach! Every year I went there, and every year it became harder and harder to watch all this. We do not know secret developments in the field of psychology. I do not exclude it.
        2. sled beach
          sled beach 11 May 2014 12: 23
          +2
          I think you don’t underestimate the effectiveness of rudeness. Pain always sobers up, forcing the mind to look for a solution, how unpleasant it may sound. Symbiosis with worms cannot be arranged, some organism will wither away. Maybe this is what the United States wants: to hang Ukraine with a peon on the neck of Russia, minus to the economy. You need to take care of yourself, who is ready to die for the country and not undecided.
        3. Leah
          Leah 11 May 2014 13: 21
          +3
          http://www.rupor.info/glavnoe/2014/04/28/vodu-v-krym-perekryla-rossiya-fotofakt/

          Sashko himself shot himself with two shots, in Odessa people burned themselves, now Crimea has blocked its own water))) It's all Russia to blame for its aggression)))))
      2. Anper
        Anper 11 May 2014 12: 59
        +9
        Quote: Turkir
        Brainless people only understand the language of power.

        From Rivne. Case immediately in fresh wake.
        The husband goes to work in Russia. A friend, Svidomo and independent, with all his friendship, and especially recently, he doesn’t forget to reproach him, that, they say, we are at war with them, and you work for themThere was a misfortune - a few weeks ago, a friend buried his mother, who, in fact, contained him, an unmarried unemployed, big-ass dunce. While the money was there, there was Svidomo and non-slander, hanging out on the local Maidan, talking about a happy, landless country that bloody Putin wants to destroy, as soon as it’s over, it doesn’t go off the phone, begs you to take it to work with you to Russia.
        Strength is different - therefore gas must be closed. Long.
        When in the morning the kettle has nothing to warm up, the brains begin to work in an enhanced mode.

        IMHO. Maybe, nevertheless, iodine deficiency determines the way of thinking? I remember that in schools under the USSR they simply fed us with antistrumine.
        1. Artem1967
          Artem1967 11 May 2014 18: 00
          +1
          Smiled, plus definitely! Can all the ardent zapadentsev come to us in Siberia for re-education? Enough space and work for everyone, and pay well. Wellcome, as they say!
      3. Varron
        Varron 12 May 2014 17: 32
        0
        Do not just again about the gas. ALL people living here will suffer from this (I am from Ukraine, Odessa). Not only do normal citizens endure constant confrontations with the Svidomites, we’ll also remain without gas. This issue must be resolved, of course, but neatly and professionally.
  16. Tatarus
    Tatarus 11 May 2014 06: 57
    +3
    Swap tellys great
    Then the brains will be cleaned
  17. Round cat
    Round cat 11 May 2014 07: 11
    +2
    When those astray learn the truth, there will be a bitter hangover.
  18. padonok.71
    padonok.71 11 May 2014 07: 13
    +7
    But look, if they recognize that the junta is fascists, that it is, it turns out that they themselves, with their own hands, brought them to power. And thus, they are not much different from them. I know that many normal people supported the Maidan (in the initial stages, for sure). And this is hard and embarrassing. Therefore, it is much easier to say that Putin and his oaths Katsapura are to blame, and they () are as if not at work, they are patriots. Therefore, many are deceiving themselves.
    1. Igool
      Igool 11 May 2014 22: 13
      +1
      Yes, self-deception is one of the varieties of self-hypnosis and is a great force, but there is one flaw in all this - all adults must be responsible for their actions in one way or another. And there’s nowhere to go. If the junta answers through the tribunal for its crimes, the ordinary citizen will answer, perhaps with his life, perhaps with the lives of his children, the deterioration of living conditions, and there are still quite a few consequences that will be played out for them.
  19. ded10041948
    ded10041948 11 May 2014 07: 13
    +2
    And the principle "Who pays, he orders the tune" has not yet been canceled!
  20. 1goose3
    1goose3 11 May 2014 07: 25
    +5
    For more than 20 years, all this has been promoted starting from kindergarten, in schools, in universities. The whole, today its most active part, the generation absorbed this anti-Russian crap with mother's milk. So the information war is not suddenly lost.
    1. Erg
      Erg 11 May 2014 15: 54
      +1
      They will devour themselves. Nothing personal. History teaches ...
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 11 May 2014 17: 38
        +1
        There is a guru who teaches a lot - "... the name of hunger ...". And if you also switch to firewood, then kerguda - extinguish the lamp.
      2. sscha
        sscha 11 May 2014 17: 48
        0
        I would say this: He who does not teach history is forced to walk in circles and to step on the same rake many times. laughing
        Author: People.
        Z.Y. And these rakes beat very hard. hi
  21. Dejavu
    Dejavu 11 May 2014 07: 40
    +10
    Philistines rarely use logic and facts to form their own opinions. It’s much easier to live the way your uncle tells you on TV. While Ukrainians will be stubborn passive cattle-they will be nothing more than a stubborn passive cattle, which shred directly into the brain. To check additional sources of information, there is not enough traction or desire, apparently. What can I say, bravo 3.15ndos !!! The operation to educate a generation of Ukrainians hostile to Russia-performed on EXCELLENT!

    It is a pity that Mother Russia only began to deal with her Soros garbage. In Ukraine there was neither strength nor time. Alas. Moscow will have to work with new generations of Ukrainians. Current generations are lost. So they will live with a nail in a head called - Moscalephobia. Even if pravoseki will start raping them in the streets, they will think that they are agents of the Kremlin. Rams.
  22. Evgenij.
    Evgenij. 11 May 2014 07: 40
    +4
    Stronger is the one who is right. I think when everything is over people will understand and will be very sorry.
  23. igorra
    igorra 11 May 2014 07: 48
    +1
    "I am painfully sorry that only time will give answers to these questions."

    not only time, but also the death of many, many lives, the awakening will be terrible, with a separation of the head.
  24. ssskalinin
    ssskalinin 11 May 2014 07: 49
    +5
    I regularly watch Ukrainian TV (I live in St. Petersburg), it feels like nothing is happening at all. It seems that there was no Nazi coup and in the southeast a kind of gang like Makhno started up. Her (this gang) is actively strangled by the gallant Ukrainian paratroopers. They spin music and entertainment, but otherwise the beautiful marquise is all good, all is good. Delirium of course, but it should be noted that overseas PR specialists did a good job. It's a shame that people are killed by dozens. BTW BY THE DEPARTMENT OF THE US STATE DEPARTMENT THE BATTLE LOSSES DURING THE OPERATION IN IRAQ DECREASED BY 5 TIMES. LOSSES AMONG THE PEOPLE'S POPULATION 10 TIMES. So think about how many people died in Odessa? On the Maidan? In Kramatorsk? and how many people every day quietly cut and shoot every day in cities and towns that do not fall into the media? In a country where about three million trunks are in the hands of the population, banditry blooms in bloody color.
    1. Timoshka
      Timoshka 11 May 2014 08: 28
      +6
      Mom called relatives in Chernihiv ... The result - RUSSIA is being accused - that it is climbing to Ukraine ... But they have not even heard about what is happening in the southeast !!!
    2. alauda1038
      alauda1038 11 May 2014 10: 24
      0
      I agree, I watch the truth online
  25. Free wind
    Free wind 11 May 2014 07: 56
    +9
    The war was lost a long time ago. not the last six months. Remember 1 president of Ukraine, Kravchuk. Do you remember? So this man, a former communist, proudly declared that he was a boy dragging products to Bendera boys into the forest. He initiated the Ukrainian referendum on Ukrainian independence in 91. At a referendum, more than 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence, as well as this accomplice of Bendera was elected president. Further, Kuchma, repeatedly admired Bendera. Then this one with a furry face, each opening of the monument to the Nazis took place with his participation. Further, Yanukovych, during his activities, the frequency of provocations against Russian military bases in Crimea and Sevastopol increased several times, all provocations occurred with the full connivance of the police. Our government did absolutely nothing against such a policy. It was only flirting, then the charges were dropped from Tymoshenko, then they were selling gas on a cheap basis, there were no sanctions at all against the war criminal. All this is sad.
  26. Stasi
    Stasi 11 May 2014 08: 01
    +5
    The Goebbels case lives and wins, an example of this is the unhappy Ukraine. For 23 years, Ukrainians were brainwashed, they were told that they were to blame for all the troubles of Ukraine, that is, Russians. The result is logical: the Maydan explosion occurred and anarchy began. Media controlled by oligarchs broadcast anything but the truth. What the West is stronger against Russia is in the field of brainwashing and the conduct of an information-psychological war. As always, we are lagging behind in this area. If we do not begin to make efforts to win the information-psychological war, then we will finally lose Ukraine.
  27. ar-ren
    ar-ren 11 May 2014 08: 08
    -16%
    I would suggest that the Russians reflect on the question of how it turns out that Russians have no friends at all among neighboring peoples? Even Lukashenko recently reasoned, wondered what would happen when the Russians invade Belarus ...
    1. Wels75
      Wels75 11 May 2014 09: 51
      -7
      I have no friends, girlfriends!
      I myself p.z.z.d%#@y friend! yes
      laughing
    2. Horn
      Horn 11 May 2014 10: 35
      +6
      Who has friends? Countries don't have friends by definition. People do. Countries do not. There is not and never was ANY country in the world that would have "friends". Allies, enemies, neutrals, but not friends.
    3. Turkir
      Turkir 11 May 2014 10: 39
      +9
      I understand that you are not Russian and therefore, you don’t need to think about this issue?
      All right.
      And why, Lukashenko, at US, RUSSIAN, take a loan?
      Probably because of the big DO NOT LOVE us?
      And why Belarus, which unlike us, everyone loves, ANYWHERE TO TAKE A LOAN?
      Perhaps you should also think about this issue.
      1. cokolkz
        cokolkz 11 May 2014 12: 27
        +1
        And what is the connection between “love” and loans? When I need a loan, I choose not the “favorite” bank, but the one in which the conditions offer me more profitable. In general, this is a fact, Russians in the world do not like, perhaps this is a consequence of Anglo-Saxon propaganda, perhaps something else.
        1. Scutum
          Scutum 11 May 2014 14: 22
          +4
          we do not need someone's "love-dislike", especially since in geyrope this word is already understood as something else ... but as for father, so Belarus with him at the head has not yet been repelled by our sworn partners precisely because he is in alliance with Russia.
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    4. Fin
      Fin 11 May 2014 11: 59
      +9
      Quote: ar-ren
      I would suggest that the Russians think about the question, how is it that the Russians have no friends among the neighboring nations?

      Do you have any examples of which nations are friends in the EU, America? While the country is strong, friends all go and stand in line to record. As soon as weakened, they were torn apart and did not choke. Should Germany or France loosen its neighbors (friends) will pounce like kites. There is no friendship of peoples and universal love; there are ethnic groups related by roots, and propaganda will direct this to another brain. In geopolitics, there are alliances of countries against others to achieve specific goals. I hope you don’t need to tell a story who was friends with whom and against whom?
    5. walter_rus
      walter_rus 11 May 2014 12: 41
      +4
      We, true to the principles of proletarian internationalism, tried to develop backward countries, but as you know, "you cannot be famous for good deeds." But the Americans acted more pragmatically - they fed the "elites" of the necessary countries, and those, having become dependent on sponsors, drove their population to the right stall. So the costs are less, and the result is closer.
    6. vovan50
      vovan50 11 May 2014 14: 38
      0
      Russia has a lot of friends around the world, only America has an information resource
    7. The centurion
      The centurion 11 May 2014 16: 54
      +6
      Quote: ar-ren
      I would suggest that the Russians think about the question, how is it that the Russians have no friends among the neighboring nations?

      In the whole world, we have only two faithful friends and ally, our army and our fleet. All the rest, as soon as possible, will themselves turn against us.
      Alexander III
    8. Lelek
      Lelek 11 May 2014 17: 50
      +11
      We have friends - RUSSIANS (please do not worry about hangers-on) have, but you need to rely not on friends (always only betray friends), but on faithful allies. soldier
    9. kotvov
      kotvov 11 May 2014 18: 56
      +1
      but who would you suggest thinking to you? Russia, it has long been said, has two allies, the army and navy. so do not strain, whoever you are.
  28. 3vs
    3vs 11 May 2014 08: 12
    +2
    It is not otherwise that Poroshenko puts some kind of drug into his sweets.
    It is necessary in Russia to conduct in its factories an examination of the raw materials for the confectionery.
  29. sv68
    sv68 11 May 2014 08: 13
    +1
    Well, the people of ukroiny means simply stupidly believes their SLI-means of false information, and I waved my hand at the facts because the facts of eyewitnesses saying that white is white do not fit into the rhetoric of official sli. I almost proved to my relatives from ukroin that Russia did not send troops to ukroin and I don’t have our Special Forces divisions near Slavyansk, as they proved to them. I just want to turn the attention to one more inspectorate on ukroin — except for the very same lies, people are actively driven into the heads and hired provocateurs letting knowingly false but truth-like information. And if I would do it young people are brainwashed, but rumors are attracted to retirement grandmothers with brainwashed too, and alas people believe such grandmothers, but we don’t have our counterpropaganda on ukroin. -to change in this state of affairs
    1. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 11 May 2014 08: 42
      +1
      I didn’t agree with the sign of impotence, our position is stronger because the truth is behind us and we know it perfectly, and the views of the powdered brains of the media are changeable to the first blood, to the first corpses, for us time, it will put everything in its place.
  30. Agent 008
    Agent 008 11 May 2014 08: 17
    +2
    Quote: punk
    if you look into the abyss for a long time, then the abyss will look at you

    I don’t know what the abyss is ... I know the word Abyss.
  31. Timoshka
    Timoshka 11 May 2014 08: 25
    +2
    Surgeons are required - for craniotomy ... backward peoples ...
    By the way - the patient is sick ... but heal!
    1. Russian German
      Russian German 11 May 2014 08: 48
      +1
      Surgery is powerless here. Someone like Kashpirovsky is needed here. bully
  32. petrT
    petrT 11 May 2014 08: 29
    +7
    He also spoke and corresponded with friends from Vinnitsa, they also scold us in response that we climb up to them. And he asked a question about Odessa, there they never heard of the May 2 tragedy. Most of Ukraine has no idea what is going on with them. Yes, by and large, and does not want, "my house is on the edge", But I just can't understand one thing, during the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine shouted that it feeds everyone and wants to live separately, but Now they are outraged that we are such bad Russians, we sell gas to them so dearly. And then, what is the general problem, why does Ukraine not want to hold a referendum in every region? Half of Europe is federal and not all states? And if you are afraid to hold it, it means that they understand that not all of Ukraine has been fooled.
  33. Boris55
    Boris55 11 May 2014 08: 33
    +13
    Quote: Banshee
    ... The Kharkov Fedorenko family, with whom I have been friends for more than five years, stops communicating with me. “We ate and drank together, you came to us. And now you are for those who want to crush us with their tanks. ” The finish, but in fact quite reasonable people were a year ago ...


  34. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 11 May 2014 08: 37
    +5
    from the Don.
    Well, I wouldn’t say so in the affirmative about zombie dill now, especially after the celebration of VICTORY Day. There is no Internet! My wife’s sisters in Transcarpathia have a little brains. But those who are behind the cardon are gloomy. There’s not much to think about it. and compare laziness. In short, a swamp!
  35. Russian German
    Russian German 11 May 2014 08: 45
    0
    What do you think about Akhmetov’s statement on the creation of self-defense units in Mariupol to protect the city from workers at local factories? Started to look towards Russia?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 May 2014 09: 07
      +2
      Quote: Russian German
      What do you think about Akhmetov’s statement on the creation of self-defense units in Mariupol to protect the city from workers at local factories?

      I think that calls for nationalization have begun to sound too loud! because "you have to be friends with the people." Moreover, the referendum will certainly show results that do not correspond to Kiev's hopes. "It's good if they just demanded federalization and the Russian language. And if joining Russia?" So Akhmetov started to fuss.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 May 2014 09: 25
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        "So Akhmetov started to fuss.

        Akhmetov as a corrupt woman - holds her nose in the wind.
        He’s more concerned about his own money than the life of the population. He saw perfectly well that in Crimea the owners retained their enterprises (with the exception of the share of small strategic enterprises), and it’s about who will win and will
      2. Erg
        Erg 11 May 2014 16: 07
        +2
        To Russia. Definitely. Jackals sensed that the buffalo could not be defeated
    2. hyperboreia
      hyperboreia 11 May 2014 13: 28
      +2
      There he owns metallurgical plants. Afraid of nationalization (Crimea is a precedent).
  36. Kassandra
    Kassandra 11 May 2014 08: 46
    +4
    There is no broadcasting of Russian channels there, and on the Ukrainian and Ukrainian Internet the "Baptist sect Word of Life" is spinning its brains, which is actually just a renamed near-Korean "Aum Shinrikyo", also known for its spraying sarin in Japan - they endure their members' brains oh how ... Now it seems that they have decided to take into their ranks all the Ukrainians who will survive.
  37. kingnothing
    kingnothing 11 May 2014 08: 47
    +4
    Every family has its black sheep. So we will have to someone, from relatives, in the face to press in order to bring to life. And then further, as for many years, to celebrate OUR victory day together, remembering these days with a moment of silence and with tears in their eyes.
    1. hyperboreia
      hyperboreia 11 May 2014 13: 34
      +2
      It won't help in the face. I know from distant relatives: my father served all his life in the Soviet Army, served himself, receives a pension, speaks Russian in the family, and since the beginning of "perestroika", Bandera's ideology has stuck in my head.
  38. zev
    zev 11 May 2014 08: 55
    +5
    Russia itself is largely to blame for what is happening at Nezalezhnaya. Remember who for the last years has been in charge of our diplomacy in Kiev? 1. Chernomyrdin is the one who actually surrendered Yugoslavia (Serbia). 2. Zurabov is the "chief pharmacologist" of Russia (in fact, the same Serdyukov is the "chief owner" at the post of the Ministry of Defense). Well, and, probably, any nation (with appropriate brainwashing) can turn into anything: take Germany 0- x years: in a little over ten years, "too, a cultured people", with traditions, etc. turned into what it turned into. So the current situation in Ukraine (and in the world) is in many ways our fault.
    1. hyperboreia
      hyperboreia 11 May 2014 13: 37
      +2
      The time has come for the disruption of masks from liberal ideology, and especially in our home.
  39. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 11 May 2014 08: 58
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: mamont5
    Most, especially the older generation, take information from TV or radio.

    The older generation with St. George ribbons in Ukraine walks in spite of everything pouring from the TV, and young people have an Internet, but no brains hi

    Yes, lately, I look at the youth of any country, there are no brains at all! Maybe they are geniuses in computers, but life’s are stupid people, and they don’t interest in the truth, it’s good for them! Most hate the Union, knowingly not knowing what it is! And also this Western propaganda, that’s what truly needs to be banned!
  40. Gray 43
    Gray 43 11 May 2014 09: 00
    +3
    Yes, an abscess has ripened, it has been rotting for a long time, perhaps since the Civil War, well, now everything is clear to us, isn't it time to urgently take measures to fight the Vlasovites in our country, in Russia? An article about the attitude to St. George's ribbons and almost to those who were brought up in the Great Union showed the top of the head of what is maturing at home. I don’t sit on social networks, but I guess that “everything is not so simple here” -fascism raises its head. Donbass is important to support, it may become an island of Ukraine's resistance to nationalists, it is extremely important to convey the truth about the events in the country to ordinary Ukrainians, there are people doubters. Realization of what happened soon will come, when gas will be released for the paid volume, the EU is not going to patch holes in the budget of Ukraine. The elections there will legitimize a handful of those who will share the budget stubs among themselves
  41. akmatov
    akmatov 11 May 2014 09: 16
    +5
    Putin is doing everything right. To beat his brother in the face, although he is wrong, is not necessary, it is necessary to wait so that he himself realizes his untruth in relation to reality. I myself am Kyrgyzstan, there is also a decomposition of everything that was moral in the USSR, we are caught in the grip of the IMF. Marginal oligarchs have everything and everyone. Death to America !!!
  42. elenagromova
    elenagromova 11 May 2014 09: 16
    +4
    And who said that she lost? After all, in addition to the idiots described here, there are tens of thousands of normal people in Kharkov who came out on Victory Day. Someone continues to resist in Odessa. Many, after Odessa, opened their eyes.
  43. muhomor
    muhomor 11 May 2014 09: 20
    +1
    It’s not worth noting the professionalism of the gay European media. Still, they skillfully twist the minds of the population! After all, how did it all begin? Give to Europe! Is it over? Down with Russia! And they have success! After the victory, the leaders and owners of the sales channels must be seriously judged for inciting extremism. And look! There are no Ukrainians left on the forum! And there were seemingly adequate people.
    1. hyperboreia
      hyperboreia 11 May 2014 13: 39
      +2
      The media is a consequence, whole institutions work on fooling.
    2. Alex_Bogfin
      Alex_Bogfin 12 May 2014 00: 42
      +1
      Why, then, no more. Left. But there’s nothing to add (((. In western Ukraine, explaining anything to people who have decided everything for themselves is unrealistic. I’ve even stopped arguing.
  44. Egoza
    Egoza 11 May 2014 09: 21
    +6
    You know, I've been lately recalling and thinking that it all started much earlier ...
    Our head of the political department of the school (he was a real communist) was appointed head of the Lvov political school. We said goodbye to him, wished him all the best, like a promotion ... and three months later the news comes that he died there in a car accident when he was driving to some part. But in the Kiev school they sent from Lvov to his place ... such a g ..., it was immediately obvious, especially when he began to ask the guys idiotic questions during the exams. like "what page did Lenin write on ...? Or How much does an airplane wing cost? (for signalmen, that's the very thing)" In general, the guys immediately completely discouraged the desire to study something about Marxism-Leninism. Because the subject very often "coincides" with teacher.
    Further, a large group of Ukrainian officers - graduates of the Academy in Leningrad, died in an airplane accident ... and then, I know that, because ours were there. But there was nothing in the press about this. And this was at the end of the USSR during the Gorbachev era. And now we ask: "Where are the normal officers?" Was it an accident or not? didn't it all start from those times?
  45. Signaller
    Signaller 11 May 2014 09: 31
    +1
    Another Russian scientist, Alexander Chizhevsky, revealed the relationship between the peak of solar activity and the increase in the number of suicides, aircraft accidents and various natural disasters.
    We are now at the peak of 2013-1014 exactly as in 1917. You can personally find analogies. so everything is clear. We depend on the sun.
  46. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 11 May 2014 09: 32
    +5
    at the relatives in Kiev and Ruzhin ... how many I’m calling, I ask: -yes what’s going on there ??? the answer is one: - everything is fine with us ... it seems that people are afraid to just speak on such topics!
    the same topic with Uzbekistan, for example, ask any beggar gaster "how are you doing there?" will tell you how they are doing fine there - and there are plenty of jobs, and the salaries are good - in general, the river-jelly banks, and to the question "why did you come here in the winter in tattered galoshes on bare feet (a real case)?" or keep silent or will drive some kind of senseless blizzard ... but there really is 37 years old, for any not careful word you can simply disappear without a trace (there is no need to worry about it - the East!), so in Ukraine, apparently the same thing begins .. ...
    but there is also one more side: when Gaster comes back from Russia to mustakillik, they start telling tales about us, that is. a standard set of myths - "in Russia everyone drank and chipped, soon Siberia and the Far East will be seized by the Chinese, etc." (I know this for sure, because I often go there) well, just because it was too much for them to admit that in Russia they low-paying job, which the locals simply won't agree to (everyone wants to be managers, sit in the office and do nothing) all this + official propaganda and forms an inverted picture of the world ...
    it is treated simply - the truth! as soon as propaganda ends, the veil from the eyes will fall off very quickly ...
  47. X Y Z
    X Y Z 11 May 2014 09: 35
    +3
    We can only blame ourselves for what happened. We were ashamed to conduct propaganda in Ukraine and educate agents of influence. They considered it a waste of money and a waste of money. Grandpa Chernomyrdin got off with the traditional jokes, for which we still pay, and considered the best propaganda for Russia to be maintaining a relatively low gas price. There was no understanding that the Ukrainians considered this price not a gift, not their support by Russia, but a return of the debt for "suffering" in the USSR. Now the level of effort and expenditure required to bring the collective Ukrainian consciousness to a normal level for real perception of the surrounding reality surpasses any imagination, not counting the fact that this process will be quite long in time. The Kiev authorities can greatly help here. From their own bitter experience, citizens of Ukraine understand everything much better.
  48. nnz226
    nnz226 11 May 2014 09: 41
    +1
    In my opinion-hohliki always differed awn ....
  49. woron
    woron 11 May 2014 09: 42
    +3
    it’s enough for a month to open the NTV + Ukraine package and ring on free sites about free viewing everything will fall into place
  50. Eugene
    Eugene 11 May 2014 09: 57
    +16
    Really, I’m calling to Odessa, how’s it? Okay. Yes, there, they burned homeless people (!?). Or: hee hee, so what? People generally turned into a herd !!! Creatures !! And so all over Ukraine!
    1. Yurban
      Yurban 11 May 2014 21: 44
      +2
      Yes, such statements, and even with hee, hee, from such a hair stand on end, what happened to the people?