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War is not a background for love dramas or entertainment

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War is not a background for love dramas or entertainment



- What makes us all one people? Overall история, common values ​​and symbols. Such a symbol is the Victory 9 of May 1945 of the year. Practically all citizens of our country are involved in it. When I was in school, 90% of my classmates were either killed in the family, or those who worked during the war at the machine on 14 hours a day. Strikes on historical memory begin at the end of 80, when the USSR was destroyed: it was already then that they were pursuing a policy of discrediting Stalin as the organizer of the Victory, then they started talking about the price of Victory in the context of “German corpses filled up”, then raised the topic of detachments and fine battles. We even got to the point that we won, allegedly thanks to the “General Frost” ... In short, we used the whole set of false stamps.

Further more. Undertook to justify the Vlasovites, Bandera, "forest brothers" in the Baltic States and the like. Please note that now they are raising the topic of "raped German women" and "atrocities of the Red Army." This is a complete lie, and they did not dare write about it while there were living witnesses. Citizens of the GDR remembered that the Red Army men helped the local population, played accordions good-naturedly, and an attempt to raise the topic of non-existent "atrocities" would have caused only a wave of indignation. As soon as the older generation was almost completely gone, "revelations" began immediately. I predict that they will come down to the attempts to rehabilitate Hitler: after all, right now, according to purely Goebbels' recipes, they invent that the crimes of the SS men in fact were committed by disguised NKVD officers.

Let me remind you that Goering at the Nuremberg Trials said that, they say, it was the Russians themselves who killed the concentration camp prisoners, and all the evidence against the Nazis was falsified. It is by this false model that in the future they will begin to spin a new wave of propaganda against Russia. Such cynicism will try to spread to the rest of the story.

What are the reasons for this policy? First, Germany no longer wants to live under the pressure of historical guilt. The older generation remembers the horrors of war perfectly, but young people believe that everything must be taken from life and does not want to hear about any historical fault of the people. For this reason, everything that recalls fascism subconsciously rejects, but false “excuses” are accepted.

Secondly, the bloom of radical nationalism in Europe is advantageous for Americans. To erase historical memory means to kill the immunity against fascism, and then it will be easier to set some on others. Bleed the European radicals with each other, and they themselves will sit across the ocean: and the dollar will strengthen from this, and investment in the US will increase, and weapon You can sell to the warring parties, and Washington’s international prestige as a mediator in conflict resolution will also increase.

What can Russia oppose to this? We have adopted a law on countering the rehabilitation of Nazism, that is, something has already been done. But besides this, it is necessary to modernize our artistic products. A lot of good films were made in the USSR, but now they are somewhat outdated. The time has come for 3D, another generation of actors has grown up, we need modern material for screenwriters.

A new style is required, and a patriotic one, and now a lot of what appears on the screen turns out to be a low poshiba. Instead of historical truth, instead of demonstrating the real horror of war, they come up with pseudo-front plots, in which there are no battles, and even try to please both ours and yours. But war is not a background for love dramas and not entertainment.

Or take a documentary. There is an excellent film “Ordinary Fascism”, but it is black and white, old, and nowadays it’s time to arrange the release of thematic documentary that would disprove common myths. And, finally, the third point: it is necessary to increase the share of humanitarian historical knowledge in the school curriculum.
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  1. polly
    polly 10 May 2014 10: 35
    +11
    You have raised a very important topic, the country is strong with the younger generation, and we need to work with it more historically and patriotically.
    1. Bolshev
      Bolshev 10 May 2014 11: 00
      .
      Yes, really young people should know the story - because the beginning of May 2014 is not only the 69 anniversary of the surrender of Germany but also the 1 anniversary of the founding of the Virtual Fleet.
      The crew goes to Ustinov ...
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 10 May 2014 11: 27
        +19
        Quote: Bolshov
        early May 2014 is not only the 69 anniversary of the surrender of Germany, but also the 1 anniversary of the founding of the Virtual Fleet.

        I do not know of such a holiday as "the anniversary of the surrender of Germany", all my adult life I celebrated the Victory Day of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War against Nazi Germany 1941-1945.
        To be original is not excited, only historical memory needs to be respected.
        About the virtual (?) Fleet
        Where did this nonsense creep into your fragile head? Yes, the Navy is going through hard times now, but !!! BUILDING, REBORNING, for the joy of us and for the destruction of the enemies. I would like it faster and more, but here "what is - what is!" In the meantime, today the Russian fleet is the second largest fleet in the world in terms of striking power and ability to solve strategic tasks. As if, who would not want to transfer it to a "virtual state", he remains a REAL force that staff members have to reckon with.
        1. Name
          Name 10 May 2014 11: 40
          +4
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          I do not know of such a holiday as the "anniversary of the surrender of Germany"

          "comrade" from the growing up, it is with them and
          Quote: polly
          work in historical and patriotic terms.
          but. yes hi
        2. Bolshev
          Bolshev 10 May 2014 12: 30
          .
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          he remains a REAL force with which staff members are forced to reckon.

          The staff members "count" with him ... they used almost everything so as not to waste theirs.
          In the Russian Federation everything is upside down and patriotism is American and "the study of history" is disinformation ... only the villages are empty for real.
          1. mamont5
            mamont5 10 May 2014 13: 25
            +3
            Quote: Bolshov
            In the Russian Federation everything is upside down and patriotism is American and "the study of history" is disinformation ... only the villages are empty for real.


            And you, apparently not from Russia, despite your flag? And what story do you prefer to study? As for the villages, then ... I believe that the situation will change.
            1. smile
              smile 10 May 2014 14: 16
              +4
              mamont5
              Don't you know Comrade Volkhov? He prefers to study history, according to which, more than a few years ago, the "ancient gods" were killed by comets or Atlanteans. either it’s okay, but now on earth some reptiles are fighting for power, either from Venus, or from somewhere else (I don’t exactly remember his statements) with Nazis lurking in bases scattered all over the planet ... :) )) By the way, according to the history of Volkhov, the Nazis actively used nuclear weapons, for example, in the Crimea ... :)))
              Yes, on such a story a whole staff of psychiatrists can make a career for themselves .... :)))
              1. Bolshev
                Bolshev 10 May 2014 17: 19
                0
                Quote: smile
                some reptiles are fighting for power, either from Venus, or from somewhere else (I don’t remember his statements) with the Nazis hiding in bases scattered across the Planet ....

                You remembered the point correctly, but it follows that the Nazis are on the people's side ... and the other day a law was passed - up to 5 years for the rehabilitation of Nazism ... reptiles are vindictive. If you burn, swim in the Gulf of Bothnia, reptiles are not allowed there.
                1. smile
                  smile 10 May 2014 18: 23
                  +2
                  Bolshev
                  I sadly looked at your rating and raised it a little and put +, you are a site attraction and it will be sad if you get bitten in the skull .... :))) In principle, I remember how you already sent me to the Gulf of Bothnia ....:))) ... look for the Nazi base .... :))) So far no one has sent me yet .... :))) But the reptiles, yes, they are ... vindictive - not that word ... I'll go eat a crocodile, well. or I’ll kill the newt - take revenge on the amphibian! :))) Sorry, but all this is fun and cool ... until you, on your blue eye, claim that the Nazis are beating on the side of people ...
          2. free
            free 10 May 2014 15: 25
            +2
            [quote = Balkhov] [quote = Boa constrictor KAA] he remains a REAL force that staff members have to reckon with. [/ quote]
            The staff members "count" with him ... they used almost everything so as not to waste theirs.
            In Russia, everything is upside down and patriotism is American and "the study of history" is disinformation ... only the villages are empty for real. [/ Quote

            Who are you?
            1. Bolshev
              Bolshev 10 May 2014 19: 39
              -1
              Quote: free
              Who are you?


              The man in the country of trolls who attacked me ... It's dark in your cave, you don’t see it.
      2. kare
        kare 10 May 2014 11: 47
        +6
        Yes, really young people should know the story - because the beginning of May 2014 is not only the 69 anniversary of the surrender of Germany but also the 1 anniversary of the founding of the Virtual Fleet.
        The crew goes to Ustinov ...

        Please clarify the meaning expressed delirium
        I haven’t set a minus yet. It’s not yet clear which clinic you leaned back from. recourse
        1. smile
          smile 10 May 2014 14: 17
          +4
          kare
          Yes, he didn’t lean back - just the orderlies had a smoke and left the laptop unattended .... and some use it .... :)))
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 10 May 2014 10: 36
    +3
    instead of demonstrating the real horror of war, they come up with pseudo-frontline plots in which there are no battles, and they are also trying to please both ours and yours. But war is not the background for love dramas


    There are numerous stories of our veteran veterans (very soul-taking .. especially about hand-to-hand battles with the Germans) ..... their stories about the war this is that scenario for war films .... and the directors' business is to put it all spectacularly and with computer effects.
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 10 May 2014 12: 00
      0
      War is the greatest tragedy and to make a spectacle out of it, a blockbuster with "Ramb" is a big sin.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 10 May 2014 16: 28
        0
        War is the greatest tragedy and to make a spectacle out of it, a blockbuster with "Rambs" is a big sin


        Yes, war is a tragedy and making a white spot out of it is also a big sin.

        Young people will understand what war is only when bullets whistle past their ears and their peers begin to die.

        And such conversations like this are spectacles and this is a sin ... I THINK THIS DEPRESSION OF THE TRAGEDY OF WAR..War must be seen WHAT IT IS Believe me, it’s very hard to see the real shots of death of people ..... it shouldn’t be ... but this is life .
      2. Thompson
        Thompson 10 May 2014 19: 09
        0
        You misunderstood the opponent. And in the days of the USSR they made films about the war and WHAT MORE! And here we are not talking about blockbusters, but making films on modern equipment of the same class! But not nonsense like STALINGRAD! People spat on it and comparing it with old movies
    2. Repty
      Repty 10 May 2014 13: 27
      +3
      I don’t know how, but personally both of my grandfathers told me about the war. So I know firsthand who defended whom, who released, etc. And I told my children and grandchildren (if Allah gives me health) I will tell. And all sorts of liberals, with their version of the Great Patriotic War, let them bypass my house. I will not judge, I will immediately execute the sentence ...
  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 10 May 2014 10: 36
    +4
    Ordinary fascism is blooming in Ukraine today!
  4. Sergg
    Sergg 10 May 2014 10: 39
    +3
    The dirty, bloody hands of the United States stretched out to Ukraine and made them "different."
    Of course, Ukrainian fascism is the result of US information intervention.
    "Information intervention" I hope this word will take root.


    And I urge everyone to support the "human shield" from the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, they shield Russia from the advance of fascism to the east. Enough rhetoric: "southeast" - there is not any southeast, there are two regions striving for Russia, Donetsk and Lugansk and that's it.
  5. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 10 May 2014 10: 41
    +2
    Instead of historical truth, instead of demonstrating the real horror of war, they come up with pseudo-frontline plots in which there are no battles,

    Not only is not a new film about the war, it is solid dirt and lies. You look, and the impression is that the officers of the Soviet Army are continuous svO ... chi, vile / E / tsy and dur / A / ki. Films of recent years about the war evoke feelings of shame and irritation, and not PRIDE for their people, who defeated fascism ...
    These FALSE films are now "educating" the younger generation not only of Russia, but also of all the republics of the former USSR.
    I believe that such films should be removed from the box office, destroyed, otherwise Russia will get young people, like the Ukrainian one, who is now "dancing" to the DOOM of the USA.
    It is urgent to introduce censorship!
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 10 May 2014 11: 12
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      I believe that such films should be withdrawn from the box office, destroyed, otherwise Russia will get young people, like the Ukrainian one, who is now "dancing" to the DOOM of the USA.
      It is urgent to introduce censorship!


      Who will seize and destroy such films, and who will censor them! if :

      - In May 2008, the film set “Burnt by the Sun - 2” in the village of Shushary, Leningrad Region, was visited by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who was on a working visit to St. Petersburg at that time. And in 2009, the guest of the film group was the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev, who was present at the shooting of the assault scene with fines of the Citadel. laughing
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 10 May 2014 12: 27
        0
        Well, with the lady, who awarded IUdu for the collapse of the USSR, everything is clear, he himself is like that, he did not have time to "turn around" in full, thank God ...
        But Putin ... maybe he will squeeze the librarian / R / A / C / tov that corrupts the consciousness of youth?
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 10 May 2014 14: 39
          -1
          Quote: ia-ai00
          Well, with the lady, who awarded IUdu for the collapse of the USSR, everything is clear, he himself is like that, he did not have time to "turn around" in full, thank God ...
          But Putin ... maybe he will squeeze the librarian / R / A / C / tov that corrupts the consciousness of youth?


          No, he can not :

          ... President of Russia Vladimir Putin, by his Decree for his outstanding contribution to the development of national culture and art, many years of creative activity, awarded the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, II degree of film director Nikita Mikhalkov - This is in 2005

          Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin congratulated People's Artist of the RSFSR, Chairman of the Union of Filmmakers of Russia Nikita Mikhalkov on his 65th birthday,
          “Over the years of work in the cinema, you have been able to brilliantly realize your talent, realize bright, extraordinary ideas.
          - and this is in 2010

          I especially liked it - "Each of your films becomes an event, evokes a lively audience response" laughing
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 10 May 2014 22: 12
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      These FALSE films are now "educating" the younger generation not only of Russia, but also of all the republics of the former USSR.

      There is a cool film made just for foreign countries.
  6. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 10 May 2014 10: 46
    +8
    The author very correctly posed the question: there is a battle for historical memory, there is an attempt to rewrite the history of World War II. When our enemies do this, it’s annoying, but in general understandable. But how the language turns to speak at our fifth column - I do not understand kill. Well, to what extent do you need to reach a moral decline in order to smear the history of your homeland with mud !?
    Blows to historical memory begin at the end of the 80, when they destroyed the USSR: already then they pursued a policy of discrediting Stalin as the organizer of the Victory, then they talked about the price of Victory
    1. Alf
      Alf 10 May 2014 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      But how the language turns to speak at our fifth column - I do not understand kill. Well, to what extent do you need to reach a moral decline in order to smear the history of your homeland with mud !?

      And these ur.dov have no homeland. They proudly say about themselves that they are "citizens of the world", that is, translated into Russian - homeless.
      Recently I read Makarevich in the newspaper. So this zh..id (please do not confuse with the Jews) said that he sends his miscarriages to study and live with mattress mats, they say, living in Moscow is scary, there is dirt all around (in the sense of garbage and swine ...). And the fact that they themselves go and throw garbage past bins and garbage bags wherever they have to, because "they are paid, so they have to clean up and I have no time to go to the trash can" - so this is not about him and others like them, they are the elite.
  7. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 10 May 2014 10: 50
    +2
    You just have to stop mocking the story. On the far side of the FSU ... You need to properly teach your children to love your homeland!
  8. Giant thought
    Giant thought 10 May 2014 11: 03
    0
    Yes, in this regard, we still have to work and work. A wide field of activity for patriotic filmmakers, but liberals should not be allowed to get close to this topic, it’s good that they passed a law to prevent distortion of the facts of the Second World War, and you can cling to this hook to all the villains from culture.
  9. demotivator
    demotivator 10 May 2014 11: 42
    +11
    ... it is necessary to modernize our art products. In the USSR, many good films were made, but now they are somewhat outdated. The time has come for 3D, another generation of actors has grown, modern material is needed for screenwriters.
    A new style is required, and a patriotic one, and now a lot of what appears on the screen turns out to be a low poshiba. Instead of historical truth, instead of demonstrating the real horror of war, they come up with pseudo-front plots, in which there are no battles, and even try to please both ours and yours. But war is not a background for love dramas and not entertainment.

    Right! It's high time to start "modernizing our artistic production", otherwise these sex-crazy Bondarchuks and others have already got it. After all, they did not create anything decent, with rare exceptions about the war. And the old Soviet films, although they are still in demand, but how long can you "go to see" them? It's time to create something new, but true. Yesterday I was led to the title of another new film about the war "Don't Leave Me" with Guskov in the title role. In short, this is another embodiment of the violent fantasy of a crazy director and screenwriter on a military theme. What is there not just smeared! According to the plot, the officer of SMERSH (overweight Guskov) is instructed to carry out sabotage in the rear of the Germans (stupidity - SMERSH worked only in our rear). Okay. To do this, he is subordinated to four inept girls, of whom he must prepare super fighters in two weeks (!?). In general, a vile parody of the war, the plot from the movie "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" is partially copied. Only there - the foreman of his girls' banks, and here he almost hides behind them. And this is officer SMERSH? In general, once again the holiday was ruined. Probably, today's cinema workers will never grow to the level of Soviet masters.
    1. Sergey Vl.
      Sergey Vl. 10 May 2014 13: 06
      +4
      How many times I cannot bring myself to watch the film "Stalingrad" by F. Bondarchuk. From the primary sources my vision of this Great Deed was formed and I cannot accept someone else's opinion. I can not.
      1. vedross
        vedross 10 May 2014 14: 35
        +4
        I support. I don’t watch it either. An abomination, not a plot.
  10. doktorlar
    doktorlar 10 May 2014 11: 49
    0
    Opposition is needed in this matter, too, but a competent, evidence-based analysis of the lies or misconceptions of the opposition in the open press is much more important. Why do those who have no sense of the homeland always speak out? Aw, where are the evidence-based refutations of their articles. Please, patriots speak out more often, report it to people.
    1. Name
      Name 10 May 2014 15: 55
      0
      Quote: doktorlar
      .Why do those who have no sense of homeland always speak out? Aw, where are the evidence-based refutations of their articles.

      And they do not need any proof, they "pour" words, the more the better. They press with the volume ... and the last obzat - for the memory of the reader (listener). hi Example:

      How this bipedal Earth holds ... I don’t understand. request
      1. salamandra2826
        salamandra2826 10 May 2014 19: 20
        +1
        This is Brzezinski's girlfriend
  11. mig31
    mig31 10 May 2014 12: 11
    0
    And, I remember, in the 60s the film "Four tankmen and a dog", where it was seen that "the Polish army took Berlin, and the Russian helped", so draw conclusions when it started ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 10 May 2014 12: 51
      0
      Quote: mig31
      And, I remember, in the 60s the film "Four tankmen and a dog", where it was seen that "the Polish army took Berlin, and the Russian helped", so draw conclusions when it started ...

      Even such a setting did not help. Now this series has been removed from the box office in Poland - "it incorrectly states that the Polish army, together with the Red Army, liberated Poland, but, in fact, occupied the free speech of the city."
  12. blizart
    blizart 10 May 2014 12: 22
    0
    A film about Pokryshkin or Kozhedub, and about any Soviet ace, only with high-quality graphics, otherwise you will not look at "Caravan pq-17" without tears.
    1. Alf
      Alf 10 May 2014 12: 54
      +2
      Quote: blizart
      A film about Pokryshkin or Kozhedub, and about any Soviet ace, only with high-quality graphics, otherwise you will not look at "Caravan pq-17" without tears.

      It is enough to look at the Saboteur, where the fighters are armed with a PC and jump from the AN-2. And in Flight, where, as it is said, "the emphasis will be placed on technical reliability," Yak-52s fly instead of Aerocobras.
      1. Sergey Vl.
        Sergey Vl. 10 May 2014 13: 18
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        "emphasis will be placed on technical reliability", Yak-52s fly instead of Airacobras.

        And in "Osvobozhdeniye" by Y. Ozerov, there was an attack by our T-34-85s, and this was in July 43 ... From such "small" replacements there are germs of great distrust. Indeed, they say that knowledge increases sorrow ... The feat of our people in the Patriotic War is great and sacrificial and does not require decoration.
        1. Alf
          Alf 10 May 2014 13: 44
          0
          Quote: Sergey Vl.
          Quote: Alf
          "emphasis will be placed on technical reliability", Yak-52s fly instead of Airacobras.
          And in "Osvobozhdeniye" by Y. Ozerov, there was an attack by our T-34-85s, and this was in July 43 ... From such "small" replacements there are germs of great distrust. Indeed, they say that knowledge increases sorrow ... The feat of our people in the Patriotic War is great and sacrificial and does not require decoration.

          Well, T-34-85 and T-34-76 are also "back and forth", but in the Penal Battalion T-72 is already overkill.
    2. Signaller
      Signaller 10 May 2014 13: 40
      -2
      We remember, we remember very much. Ivan Kozhedub said, "These are three tankers who drank three hundred each, and the brave falcon nine hundred." There are more of them, who are like "the brave falcon." His victories in World War II and then in Korea are his victories. And those who now preach "dry law" are not our people. Voroshilov's hundred is ours. I do not call for drunkenness, but there are guidelines. Russia rests on them.
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  13. 1536
    1536 10 May 2014 12: 22
    +2
    Of course, patriotism should be fostered among young people, and the middle generation should be proud of their country. But knowing the true history of your country is still not enough, you need to skillfully apply knowledge in practice, not give in to an arrogant, experienced ideological enemy armed with "facts", confront him in disputes and forums. Today we know a lot about our veterans - soldiers and officers of the Red Army, from their stories, their memories, open archival materials. This memory lives on in almost all families in our country. But let's do the same with the German, Romanian, Italian, French (a regiment from Lorraine fought near Moscow in 1941) servicemen who invaded our territory in June 1941. Let the path be known as possible for each of these warriors by name. Someone was a guard in a concentration camp, someone destroyed the civilian population of the occupied territory in punitive operations, someone served in the SS, the Wehrmacht, but these worked in European factories, using the slave labor of prisoners of war. All this happened, but no one after the war remembered about it, that is why today in the EU countries and the USA they "forgot" all this. We need to remind them of this, besides, many documents of the Wehrmacht and SD are stored in our archives, and the Germans scrupulously recorded everything. In the Great Patriotic War, an insidious and powerful enemy was defeated, not the grandfathers and great-grandfathers of the lovely Otto, Siekfried and Suzanne from Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. This will be the historical truth!
  14. alexdol
    alexdol 10 May 2014 12: 46
    +3
    Quote from the article: "I predict that they will come to the attempts to rehabilitate Hitler ...".
    And here it is not necessary to predict. Here is a fresh example:

    Gauleiter of Kherson region Odarchenko called Hitler the liberator
    With his speech, Yu. Odarchenko provoked a brawl. People who came to honor the memory of those killed in the Second World War booed him and took away the microphone.

    Commenting on the performance of the henchman of the Kiev junta in the Kherson region, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin called him a bastard.

    At an event dedicated to the Victory Day over Nazi Germany, Odarchenko said that Adolf Hitler wanted to free people from the tyrant Stalin. "If you read history, we see that he first of all put forward the slogan - liberation of people from the communist yoke, liberation of people from the tyrant Stalin," Odarchenko said, telling the residents of Kherson about Hitler's "liberation mission."

    As a result, after these words, the bastard was booed. The fan of Hitler did not react to the cries of the people “shame!”, And when a woman with a child in her arms took the microphone away from him, he continued his speech anyway.

    I just can’t stop wondering how long such INCURITY will be at the top of the POWER?
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 10 May 2014 14: 14
      +2
      This UNcleanness will be in power as long as the people WANT it (I ask you not to be puzzled by Bandera and criminals) of Ukraine. But whether he will wake up or will continue to rest in the huts, "which are on the edge" - the question. what
      1. alexdol
        alexdol 10 May 2014 15: 23
        -1
        Lelyok (1) SU "This Wickedness will be in power as long as the people WANT it"
        -------------------------------------------------- -----------
        They wrote an outright STUPIDITY! Judging by your judgments, the people of RUSSIA want to see in the power of "Mr." Medvedev and his entourage, who, as I have written about this here more than once, are OPEN ENEMIES OF RUSSIA!
        1. Dmitry Toderes
          Dmitry Toderes 10 May 2014 17: 37
          -1
          Russians and Ukrainians are different in mentality. It is not for nothing that the proverb was born in Ukraine: “I don’t know anyone in my house on the edge”. Ukrainians are former Russians, and therefore it will not work to judge both peoples by the same template. Think about it. recourse

          PS As for the Dimon, I agree. yes
  15. philip
    philip 10 May 2014 13: 27
    0
    thanks to "General Moroz."

    Yeah, if the pants got thin, then General Moroz is to blame.
  16. Signaller
    Signaller 10 May 2014 13: 29
    0
    War-killing is the main thing in everything. At one time, stood with a machine gun on guard. With the kid. He had already served the army. I him, if they come to kill you, what will you do ???? He will throw the machine on the porch and his hands on the top. I told him what ??? They’ll kill you, me, they’ll kill everyone here. You need it. ??? He is not necessary, but I'm afraid ........ Nothing had a conversation, read the laws, went through the shooting. Then he could be trusted. But then we had three shifts. They are usually automatic on the roof and hands up. And so they lived. The company’s commissar is that person who will explain to the fighter why and why .. Serdyukov wrote that this position was demolished. Type is not needed. Life shows-NEEDED. People are different. Some from plow, some from coma and in the brains of Porridge. This porridge should be boiled for the good of the Motherland.
  17. sv68
    sv68 10 May 2014 13: 37
    0
    the topic of the rehabilitation of fascism has been raised. however we would not oppose this fact, but the lack of precise idiology and systematic work with youth in the field of education of patriotism yields negative results. Often in the regions they turn a blind eye to gatherings of skinheads and others supporting the Nazi ideology. Therefore, every year the authorities it will be more and more difficult to uproot Nazism from the heads of people who grew up on games and books that are often clearly Nazi, but you need to start fighting for the minds of our children right now
  18. Free wind
    Free wind 10 May 2014 13: 46
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    "War is not a background for love dramas" Why? Our grandparents in the war and fell in love, and loved and even got married. And they carried their love through their whole life. But that films are now being made about the war, completely false, it is a fact. Of the last films I can name only "August 44th", I liked it more or less. Unfortunately, the veterans are leaving, and fewer and fewer people can tell us about the war. To be honest, I do not understand the writers' desire not to show the exploits of ordinary soldiers. But some of the soldiers performed incredible feats.
  19. Gkeaper
    Gkeaper 10 May 2014 14: 10
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    Quote: polly
    You have raised a very important topic, the country is strong with the younger generation, and we need to work with it more historically and patriotically.


    Here is the historical - patriotic education and is the most difficult. My mother, the 35th year working at school, an excellent student of public education, says that every year children become worse and worse. I do not want to offend anyone and apologize in advance, but otherwise, she does not name them. A couple of months ago, they had two sixth graders after a physical education lesson, they shamed right in the middle of the hall, literally, we sat down ... whether. And this is not an isolated case of such behavior. How do you raise such a child? If he does this at the age of 12? So the funny thing is that parents, instead of somehow punishing the child, teach the mind to teach the mind and they blame the school for everything. The main problem is that the current schoolchildren (elementary school) are the children of those parents who grew up during the ruin of the early and mid-nineties, the children of a lost and ruined generation who need nothing and nobody. Some parents still make four mistakes in the word. What then to say about their children? What can they teach them? But the main upbringing takes place precisely in the family, and the school only strengthens it. The next problem is the availability of personnel in the field of education. old teachers quit en masse, no one goes in their place, and if they go, it's just a paragraph. Who is going to study at pedagogical colleges and institutes with us? To put it mildly, in 90% of cases, not the smartest youth who couldn’t go anywhere.
    What kind of historical and patriotic education can we talk about in such a situation ???
  20. Manul49
    Manul49 10 May 2014 14: 21
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    Quote: Philip
    thanks to "General Moroz."

    Yeah, if the pants got thin, then General Moroz is to blame.


    "General Frost" was invented by Napoleonic marshals to justify their defeat.

    But everyone (I hope) knows that "the decisive defeat of the French army took place in relatively mild weather, and frosts came after the Napoleonic army" in the military sense "no longer existed." (C)

    Yes, and the Khrenzuzs retreated from Moscow in October, and not in December-February.
  21. koshh
    koshh 10 May 2014 14: 29
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    Quote: "Or let's take a documentary. There is a great film, Ordinary Fascism, but it's black and white, old,"
    And rightly so, that black and white. It is impossible to watch the horrors of fascism in color. Then it will not be a documentary about the bloody war, but a blockbuster about the adventures of Stirlitz in red riding breeches.
    The bad thing is that it has not been shown for a long time, maybe the 5th column deliberately put it away in the archive so that young people do not know and understand what ORDINARY FASCISM is. And now we see the results and fruits of such "work" in Ukraine.
  22. X Y Z
    X Y Z 10 May 2014 14: 49
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    The subject of rape is especially popular among Polish authors. If you believe the picture that they are painting, then the entire personnel of the active Red Army was involved in satisfying the lady and the panel and they had no time to fight at all. It is only strange that the offspring turned out to be so cunning and absurd. But, in principle, what is written clearly shows what is on their mind and what they would do in a similar situation. They hoped to defraud the geopolitical adversary, and as a result showed the world their moral principles. An abomination!
  23. olga-vk
    olga-vk 10 May 2014 15: 19
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    My children are in elementary school. Last year, while preparing them for the literature test and leafing through the textbook, I suddenly realized that something was missing in "this soup". Yes, in the textbooks for the 3rd grade there is NOT a single work, not a single poem about the Second World War! I go to the library, I take textbooks for the 1st, 2nd grade - EMPTY! For the 4th (and these are 9-10 year old children) - NOTHING! Only ... a picture for Victory Day! Well, in the 5th grade! - 4 poems - that's all ?! So, shake the textbook of the surrounding world for 3, 4, 5 ... BOB is dedicated to 1 (one) ABZATS !!! Note that textbooks are based on the "School of Russia" program; 80 percent of schools use them.
    In complete bewilderment, I go to our young teacher. A head-on question: "What do you tell children about the Great Patriotic War?" Brief content of the answer: well, in GENERAL FEATURES we talk, we write dictation about Victory Day, we draw a drawing. Poems in extracurricular reading can also be read, but we have no time, we are preparing for complex work (this is such a test, like the exam for the beginning).
    I return home in hysterics. A couple of questions to children confirm suspicions - there is a relative vacuum in the head. I am drawing up a Plan for correcting the neglect of my children for a year. Works about pioneer heroes, poems, "Son of the Regiment" - aloud. Museum of the Soviet Army - with your family. Songs, music, pictures, movies - everything is just a place, family, with dad-mom's comments. The documentary "The Great War" (that's something!). Conversations about the USSR. Gluing models, etc. Making up for everything that we learned and felt in our childhood over 10 years of life. All year my husband and I periodically reminded to the place (and who is out of place - we tried) "But in the Great Patriotic War" ...
    A year has passed. Last week, the junior in some questionnaire to the question "What is your favorite holiday" answered "Kanechno Victory Day and unloved but the most important" (spelling and punctuation of the author are observed). And the senior, fifth-grader, showed in the textbook on literature under the poem O. Berngolts about the besieged Leningrad a footnote-explanation "The blockade is ...". and asked in surprise "What, someone does not know what a blockade is"? Yes, my dear, your classmates hear about this for the first time ... if mom and dad do not tell.
    And yesterday, May 9 ... they stood by the Eternal Flame and wept quietly, hiding their tears in their fists. And I'm with them, from relief.
    Ask your child about the Great Patriotic War. You will hear the answer ... well, in general terms ...
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 10 May 2014 17: 53
      +1
      Bow to you for the upbringing of the younger generation. I believe that your children will grow up PEOPLE !!!
    2. salamandra2826
      salamandra2826 10 May 2014 19: 35
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      If only all parents, as well as grandparents, had such indifference. And modern parents for the most part threw off their upbringing on the school, on the army, etc. The main thing is "to buy off money for repair-textbooks" so as not to offend. We forget to bring up future parents in them.
  24. Barboskin
    Barboskin 10 May 2014 20: 48
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    I agree with the author. I already wrote about Katyn. When after the war it was a Nazi crime. Later, during the years of perestroika and democracy, it turned out that it was we who shot those Polish officers. Moreover, all exhumation 9 mm holes in turtles. Now it’s disgusting for me to watch a movie where the main character is the son of a repressed enemy of the people, but he hides it. There must be a commissar or a security officer, cruel, vile and necessarily cowardly. The author correctly noted that 90% of families were affected by the war. According to modern historians, there were nearly 20 million repressed. But such a percentage of the descendants of the victims in the Gulag is not observed. They are, but they are few in relation to the entire population.
  25. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 10 May 2014 20: 48
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    I think far from being stupid people in the West live, they gracefully understand that the states are trying to drive a wedge between Russia and Europe, when they start in Ukraine, they will either support us or be silent, not all of course, but these are usually players without much involvement in the Western world!
  26. hrapon
    hrapon 10 May 2014 23: 06
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    Quote: Bolshov
    Yes, really young people should know the story - because the beginning of May 2014 is not only the 69 anniversary of the surrender of Germany but also the 1 anniversary of the founding of the Virtual Fleet.
    The crew goes to Ustinov ...


    Another rough puncture. Maksim Maksimych would never allow himself to do that. "Center" would not forgive him for this. Who is Maxim Maksimych, everyone knows ours, and you?
    Here's a riddle for Langley.