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Russia and the West: the present and the future

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Russia and the West: the present and the futureAt present, Russia is faced with perhaps one of the most serious historical calls. This is because today, as never before, the question has arisen not only about the future fate of our state, but also about whether the Russian ethnos and Russian civilization as a whole will be able to survive. In fairness, it should be noted that in the history of our state, the question of its further existence has arisen more than once. This was also during the period of the Mongol-Tatar yoke, during the Time of Troubles, during the transformations of Peter I, during the Patriotic War of 1812, during the First World War, in the difficult years of the Great Patriotic War. Despite all the difficulties, our Fatherland, after all the severe trials, has always become even more tempered and even more united, thanks to the perseverance and strength of the Russian spirit. However, the situation that has developed today is more difficult and responsible than ever, because Russia has probably faced the most ambitious challenge from Western civilization in the person of the United States and its Western European allies.


It should be noted that relations between Russia and the United States almost always evolved far from the best. The only exception can be considered the period of the Great Patriotic War, when both countries along with Great Britain were members of the anti-Hitler coalition. However, with a more detailed consideration, it can be seen that even at this time each of the parties sought to solve their own geopolitical problems. Even before the start of the war, high-ranking American politicians and the military considered possible scenarios for the development of the situation on the European continent after the Nazi party led by Hitler came to power in Germany. They faced a peculiar dilemma, which looked like this: who would prefer at the beginning of the approaching war: the USSR or Germany? In the event of the outbreak of war by the USSR, the situation could have been such that after a certain period of time, Soviet troops could, crushing German troops, find themselves on the Atlantic coast of Europe, which would ultimately lead to a noticeable increase in the economic, political and ideological influence of the USSR . Therefore, it was decided to bet on Germany, thereby solving several issues at once: first, to solve their purely economic issues, by making substantial investments in the German military industry, second, to solve the ideological question and, third, to get additional profit in post-war economic recovery in Europe.

After the end of the Second World War, relations between Russia and the United States reached a new level, which consisted in a global confrontation: political, economic, ideological and military. The apogee of this confrontation can be considered with full confidence the Caribbean crisis, which put all of humanity on the brink of a nuclear catastrophe, which was avoided thanks to the manifested prudence on both sides.

The events that are unfolding around Ukraine today, which we are witnessing, can without exaggeration be considered a global clash of two civilizations: the Russian and the western. The entire logic of action by the US comes down to only one thing: to bring to the logical end the process of systematically destroying Russia as an independent and independent state, finally and irrevocably destroying Russian ethnos and Russian culture. All this takes on an important significance in the light of the sharply intensified struggle for energy resources, fertile lands and sources of drinking water.

Today's events are a bright continuation of the events of the 90s of the 20th century, when the United States and Western European countries felt that their plans were closer than ever to a logical conclusion, thanks to the weakness of the Russian leadership of that time.

It was Ukraine that became a kind of decisive battlefield for the whole future of Russian civilization. It was the current "authorities" in Kiev who became the very ram by which the US and Europe are trying to solve all their problems.

All events that are happening now can be called a “moment of truth” for our state and our people with a high degree of confidence. Will we, having rejected all contradictions and disagreements, unite as one people? Will the country's leadership and politicians of different ranks be able to forget about constant conflicts and their own short-term interests for the future of the country and the future of the people? Will our society be able to get rid of that dirt and other evil spirits that we have been carrying since the beginning of the 90s? Will we be able to get rid of the liberal evil and the "fifth column" in our society?
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  1. Validator
    Validator 12 May 2014 13: 12
    +50
    They play out. Although the people there begin to see clearly. Support for Russia among normal people is growing. Maybe everything will happen unexpectedly for everyone in a democratic way - they will simply re-elect power to Le Pen and similar politicians supporting Putin. That will be fun :)
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck 12 May 2014 13: 39
      +6
      Quote: Validator
      They finish

      Russia and the West: the present
      Confrontation between Russia and the EU fool
      Russia and the West: the future
      West part of the territory of the Russian Federation drinks (this is already predicted, and don’t go to the grandmother. I was there, everyone confirmed). laughing
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 12 May 2014 13: 49
        +16
        Quote: Little Muck
        West part of the territory of the Russian Federation
        Oh !!!

    2. xenod55
      xenod55 12 May 2014 13: 51
      +16
      What future of the West, in particular the United States, can we talk about if their "valiant" leadership and the media have no idea about the geography of countries:
      On Sunday, the CNN American news channel in one of its reports on the referendum in southeastern Ukraine indicated it on a map thousands of kilometers from its actual location - in Pakistan.

      Some viewers immediately noticed a mistake. A few seconds later the video was captured, and after a while it appeared on the Internet.

      This is not the first time that CNN has incorrectly indicated the geographic location of a country. Last year, a news giant posted a map of Hong Kong in South America.
      1. TAMERLAN 7
        TAMERLAN 7 12 May 2014 14: 18
        +11
        Quote: xenod55
        This is not the first time that CNN has incorrectly indicated the geographic location of a country. Last year, a news giant posted a map of Hong Kong in South America.
        Zadornov told the truth: "well, stupid!" I've been joking for a long time that Ukraine is Khokhlokhistan, but where is it then if not between Afghanistan and Pakistan?
      2. Horn
        Horn 12 May 2014 14: 33
        +5
        Right now, looking at the Ukrainian flag, I found confirmation of my own thoughts that the national idea of ​​Ukraine is stupidly in "not a glass". Anything, just not to be like people. Even their flag is called "blakytno-blakytny", although it is "blakytno-blakytny"! Not like normal people - from top to bottom, but in a Western way - from bottom to top ...
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 12 May 2014 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: Horn
          Even their flag is called "zhovto-blakytny",

          The fact is that initially it was (not for long) exactly yellow-blue, in 1917 under the Central Rada. Then the arrangement of colors changed, which is why this paradox formed.
        2. officer29
          officer29 12 May 2014 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: Horn
          Even their flag is called "blakyt-blakytny", although it is "blakytno-blakytny"! Not like normal people - from top to bottom, but in a Western way - from bottom to top ...

          Already corrected and long ago, even under Yushchenko. "Zhovto-blakytny" is Petliura's flag! And the current one is "blue-zhovty" ... Although it does not change the essence! fool
      3. asar
        asar 12 May 2014 16: 27
        +1
        Yes, the Yankees, overwhelmingly, absolutely do not care where and what is! Sleepy, peaceful society, popcorn, baseball, hamburger! They think for them!
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 May 2014 14: 03
      +4
      Russia and the West: present and future ... the thing is that there will be no future, only the past as pyramids in the valley of Giza, if the black man does not change his mind ....
    4. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 12 May 2014 14: 06
      +4
      The whole logic of actions on the part of the United States comes down to only one thing: ... the destruction of Russia as an independent and independent state, ...

      All the events that are happening now, with a great deal of certainty, can be called a “moment of truth" for our state and our people. Could we ...

      ... forget about the constant conflicts and their own momentary interests for the future of the country and the future of the people?
      ... get rid of the dirt and other evil that we have been carrying since the beginning of the 90s?
      ... get rid of the liberal evil spirits and the "fifth column" in our society?
      (from article)


      Russia, as never before, needs to be united and strong during this period.
      But will we be able to withstand this "moment of truth" with the presence of representatives of the 5th column of traitors and compradors in power, the Government of the Russian Federation, and the economy?
      Won't they hit traitors and compradors in our backs?
      When will Russian President Putin V.V., who has openly declared the presence of this 5th column in Russia, take appropriate measures to them?
      It is not only the fate of Russia that is being decided, the fate of the entire Russian World, of the Russian ethnic group.
      1. larand
        larand 12 May 2014 17: 34
        +2
        Russia has a completely incomprehensible attitude to the internal situation, everything goes on by itself. The countries of "developed democracies" consider us enemies, but we cannot or do not want to respond in kind. Poroshenko is Russophobic wherever he can, and all our shops are packed with his sweets. The faces of the leaders of the Kiev junta do not leave our screens. Makarevich for Bandera, and on the radio every now and then his runny hits are played. Our television is crammed with amerskoy chewing gum, Russian news begins - what happened in America and Europe. We ourselves can arrange a "fun" life in the sense of the 5th column. Ask any student who Schwarzenegger and Alexander Matrosov are. Guess what they will answer you.
    5. hommer
      hommer 12 May 2014 14: 45
      +7
      Quote: Validator
      They play out. Although the people there begin to see clearly


      I apologize - we are breaking through the information blockade -

      Liliana Saenko (Babkina)
      My dear friends, Mariupol residents! While in Italy, I turned to the deputy of the parliament whom I know personally, having told
      about the lawlessness of Kiev killers. I ask all of you to urgently send to my email
      your letters, short with messages about the slaughter, from the fact that they shoot at
      unarmed people, as you are forbidden to participate in a referendum. These letters will be read in Italy in Parliament. AT
      letter
      contact me, letters are needed to confirm that meager data
      that seep here. Write urgently. break this wall of silence
      the world must know! Let's not let the fascists pass!
      My email the address.
      [email protected]


      I think that not only Mariupol residents can send materials, here on the forum there are many guys from Ukraine.
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    7. matross
      matross 12 May 2014 15: 12
      0
      Quote: Validator
      they will simply re-elect power on Le Pen and similar politicians supporting Putin. That will be fun :)

      Do you think that Le Pen supports Putin ??! It's true - "fun".
      And the article is generally weak, superficial and is a compilation of stamps from history books for schoolchildren and modern patriotic rhetoric.
  2. appolon44
    appolon44 12 May 2014 13: 13
    +8
    as expected, the answer was not long in coming: http://29y.ru/main/521-rossiya-pristupaet-k-evtanazii-ssha.html smile
    1. a52333
      a52333 12 May 2014 13: 19
      +20
      Quote: appolon44
      As expected, the answer was not long in coming:

      Class good
      With your permission, the full text.

      Well, here begins what many economists and experts predicted. Russia begins to crowd out the American dollar, which ultimately threatens the United States with "euthanasia". On May 14, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation will give positive feedback on the proposal to increase the volume of ruble settlements under export contracts. The issue of switching to export settlements in rubles was raised on April 24 at a meeting with First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov. Then the proposal was considered by bankers and businesses, including the oil and gas sector.


      In practice, this will mean that new export contracts will be concluded with settlements in Russian rubles, and a review of existing ones is also possible. Now, as I understand it, the settlement scheme between the EU countries, for example, and us (Russia) looks like this: the buyer pays for the purchase in euros, the bank converts euros to US dollars and transfers to the exporter's account, and our bank already converts dollars into rubles. Now it will be like this: the buyer pays in euros, the bank immediately converts to rubles, bypassing the dollar, and transfers the amount to the account of the exporter.
      I am far from the economy, but it seems to me that such a scheme should appeal to many of our foreign partners, especially in the EU. There is no need to buy gigantic amounts of US dollars in order to pay with Russia for gas, oil, metals and other goods, the extra link is removed. As a result, the dollar will be significantly weakened, which means US hegemony in Europe.
      The introduction of ruble settlements on export contracts is not only economic, but also a tremendous political one. Many European countries that are dependent on the United States precisely because of the dollar get the opportunity to significantly reduce it or completely get rid of it and, without fear, start to express their own opinion, rather than dictated from Washington, including and the Ukrainian crisis. And it often sounds not because the leadership of a particular country thinks so, but because they simply have no other choice but to follow the lead of the United States.

      Max Nameless
      1. arch_kate3
        arch_kate3 12 May 2014 13: 30
        +6
        here is our answer to their sanctions! they only had to - sobbing to strangle themselves ..
        1. Sochi
          Sochi 12 May 2014 13: 46
          +15
          Well, yes, they spit poison there, but to us ...
        2. I do not care
          I do not care 12 May 2014 13: 58
          +15
          Quote: arch_kate3
          here is our answer to their sanctions!
        3. Sid.74
          Sid.74 12 May 2014 14: 29
          +2
          Quote: arch_kate3
          here is our answer to their sanctions! they only had to - sobbing to strangle themselves ..


          Here I read and roll under the table! Well, Europe needs to make such a feint with the ears! Well, this is a gas ultimatum snatches from the hands of the junta! This is the solution, well done! And the sheep will not freeze in winter and the "wolves" will have nothing to eat! These huntai? Battle roosters !!! laughing

          MOSCOW, May 12. / ITAR-TASS /. Gazprom can use the capabilities of European UGS facilities to provide additional guarantees for ensuring gas supplies to European consumers in winter. This was announced at a press conference by the President of the Russian Gas Society Pavel Zavalny.

          "At present, European UGS facilities are used only by half, and there is a possibility of pumping another 40-45 billion cubic meters of gas into them," he said.

          Deputy Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Anatoly Yanovskiy explained: “In case of insufficient gas volumes for transit into the Ukrainian UGS facilities, we have the possibility of pumping gas into UGS facilities located in other countries. There are gas pipelines Yamal-Europe and Nord Stream. flow ", then this is about 15 billion cubic meters of gas, this value is comparable to Ukrainian underground gas storage facilities."

          However, the biggest risk in uninterrupted gas supply remains with respect to Bulgaria and Bosnia, which have no alternative to supplies from Ukraine, the deputy minister added.

          Yanovsky said that Ukraine does not disclose the exact volumes of gas in the underground storage facilities. "According to media reports, this is 9 billion, but representatives of the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine did not answer us anything to a direct question," he said.
      2. mamont5
        mamont5 12 May 2014 13: 47
        +2
        Quote: a52333
        There is no need to buy gigantic amounts of US dollars in order to pay with Russia for gas, oil, metals and other goods, the extra link is removed.


        Poor America, where will it put the huge printed stocks of dollars? They will now have overproduction of paper.
        1. 1812 1945
          1812 1945 12 May 2014 14: 37
          +4
          Quote: mamont5
          Poor America, where will it put the huge printed stocks of dollars? They will now have overproduction of paper.

          The supporters of the junta are predicted to lose stool and, as a result, a shortage of toilet paper. The article is very helpful. And from the capricious sentiments of the vaccine, and for the "Darwins" - the business community - a reminder that if you think only about your own prosperity - they can vomit everything with gastric juice!
        2. vedross
          vedross 12 May 2014 16: 52
          +1
          You won’t envy them. And how many social programs will be cut! That blacks will be unhappy! States are waiting for such Maidan that the Kiev Maidan for them will seem like a paradise!
      3. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 12 May 2014 14: 08
        +3
        That will screech! The number of Ornie Birds-class destroyers in the Black Sea will simply go off scale, our dryers will fly around them .... The first hussar fun in expanded form: a full-length chopper against a superior enemy.
        The Yankees' most painful place is a wallet, and you definitely need to beat it. But you also need to understand that they will bite off for this matter. What is called - found a scythe on a stone.
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      5. 225chay
        225chay 12 May 2014 21: 27
        0
        Quote: a52333
        Max Nameless


        Good news Max!
        Could for the sake of such a case and name ...)
  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 12 May 2014 13: 15
    +6
    We can if the partners again do not slip us Gorbachev or Yeltsin!
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 12 May 2014 13: 26
      +4
      Russia will survive like no other. but I'm not sure about some "democratic" countries
  4. mig31
    mig31 12 May 2014 13: 17
    +8
    The call is accepted, RUSSIA BEFORE !!!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 12 May 2014 13: 29
      +24
      Dear fellow citizens, walking a tame bear, do not forget to turn off the nuclear reactor at home. And the world community is worried.
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 12 May 2014 13: 46
        +6
        The picture is super. Especially when viewed from a certain angle. Bear, this, as it were, is Mother Russia, looks at her children and rejoices, so happy that she even raised a glass for them. After all, in the cold, in a wedding dress, standing and talking nicely is very strong.
        On the topic, all this is understandable, but I think that if a conflict breaks out, no one will be sweet, everyone will be shocked. At the very least, I am sure that in Russia there will certainly be a man with steel eggs and in shoulder straps who, at a critical moment, will raise his hand above the button with the words "It's better to die standing up than live on your knees. Either change your mind and bring down nah ... or. ... the whole world is in dust. " And I support him. But it won't. We will withstand a nuclear-free collision. The main thing! whatever the leader was needed, everything else will follow.
      2. from punk
        from punk 12 May 2014 15: 00
        +6
        Quote: Alex 241
        Dear fellow citizens, walking a tame bear, do not forget to turn off the nuclear reactor at home. And the world community is worried.
        and the hamster’s mother went for a walk smile
    2. TAMERLAN 7
      TAMERLAN 7 12 May 2014 13: 32
      +20
      SUPPORT! drinks
  5. KAVS
    KAVS 12 May 2014 13: 22
    0
    There are many questions, but little depends on our opinion ... It only remains to hope that it will be possible to avoid such victims as in the past ...
  6. Arkan
    Arkan 12 May 2014 13: 22
    +4
    Can we get rid of the liberal evil spirits and the “fifth column” in our society?


    Definitely, we must get rid and we can do it! As an option, the complete disregard of this evil on the part of us and help the relevant authorities to prevent their actions.
  7. vass
    vass 12 May 2014 13: 23
    -9
    probably we can’t. The "tough" position on the transfer of the Ukrainian authorities to prepayment for gas turned out to be another fiction. A lot of shuffling and nothing. Russia is again ready to supply gas to those who wet their population in the toilet. And instead of helping them, negotiations with the "unrecognized" government of Ukraine about another deflection. In general, gas probably does not belong to the people of Russia ... Everything will go as with Yugoslavia. America dragged us under her again
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 12 May 2014 13: 51
      +2
      Quote: vass
      The "tough" position on transferring the Ukrainian authorities to prepayment for gas turned out to be another fiction. A lot of shuffling and nothing. Russia is again ready to supply gas to those who wet their population in the toilet


      And where did you get that? You forgot to add one small correction:
      "The Russian side is ready to discuss a reduction in gas prices for Ukraine in the event of debt repayment," Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky told reporters.

      On May 8, Russia announced the introduction of a new gas prepayment regime for Ukraine, which will take effect on June 1. The measure was taken due to the fact that since March not a single payment under the contract has been received from NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine. Kiev's total debt has reached $ 3,508 billion. "
      http://www.interfax.ru/world/375778
    2. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 12 May 2014 14: 15
      -5
      I would not speak so pessimistically. Leaving a whole nation without gas, without the ability to warm their house and cook food is also somehow not human.
      Yes, at the head of Ukraine there are now obscurantists who "wet in the toilet" their population. But is it worth it to become like them and crush, and without that, I am not afraid of this word, oppressed people. Here's a dilemma.
      1. Evil Pole
        Evil Pole 12 May 2014 14: 38
        +8
        Quote: Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 RU

        Respected! Where did you pick up this infection called tolerance ah? Yes, under these conditions, this poor and "oppressed" population will quickly wake up from serenity and understand which of the xy in their country .. And let the money be given, it is Russian and we will need it more. And then let's look at the behavior of the "brothers" angry
  8. Vlad Kukuev
    Vlad Kukuev 12 May 2014 13: 24
    +1
    Already we can! "If you want to live, you will get up and running!"
  9. Validator
    Validator 12 May 2014 13: 24
    +2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoQ2Chhl-nk
    Already from Israel, the whole Aliya battalion is going to catch up, organize an anti-fascist brigade in the Southeast, and fight against fascism in Ukraine
    1. Horn
      Horn 12 May 2014 15: 52
      +3
      Quote: Validator
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoQ2Chhl-nk
      Already from Israel, the whole Aliya battalion is going to catch up, organize an anti-fascist brigade in the Southeast, and fight against fascism in Ukraine

      - To promise is not to marry ...
  10. Turkish Granite
    Turkish Granite 12 May 2014 13: 26
    +1
    As we respond to this challenge, our eastern partners (I will not say allies) China and India will build relations with us. If we give slack, at least China will come for its piece of our meat. And if we frighten the west to a bear disease, they will continue to smile sweetly and sweetly.
  11. Morgan
    Morgan 12 May 2014 13: 26
    -1
    There is an opinion that WWII is the order of pi. Endostan. A minor excesses with Japan - it is a minor excesses. The place of a colony of "democratic powers" was prepared for our country. Then we did it. Will we, the children of the WINNERS, be unworthy?!?!
  12. Giant thought
    Giant thought 12 May 2014 13: 27
    +1
    Yes, the moment of truth has arrived. Or we are them, or they are us. There is no third. Therefore, the victory of fascism in Ukraine cannot be allowed. Ukrainian fascism, as a conductor of the ideas of mattresses, must be destroyed, and the sooner the better.
  13. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 12 May 2014 13: 30
    +1
    The West expects from us actions, and not eternal reflections on the Russian ethnic group and the challenge to the Slavs. Only by tough and prudent actions will we show them a place.
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  15. Peter Timofeev
    Peter Timofeev 12 May 2014 13: 31
    +4
    Faith in God, honor and valor of the Russian people will triumph in today's challenges and trials. Let's not forget that we are the descendants of Prince Vladimir, Alexander Nevsky, Suvorov, Kutuzov, Zhukov and many other illustrious of our compatriots. The enemy will be defeated, the victory will be ours.
    1. andj61
      andj61 12 May 2014 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: Petr Timofeev
      The enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours.

      Our cause is right!
  16. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 12 May 2014 13: 39
    +1
    We will not be able to, we are OBLIGED to rally and win. Because we are Russians and we have someone to take an example from. Our history proves that in difficult times we cannot be pierced. Must win
  17. Turk
    Turk 12 May 2014 13: 40
    +2
    Quote: TAMERLAN 7
    SUPPORT! drinks

    Already come!
  18. SLOVO
    SLOVO 12 May 2014 13: 41
    +3
    The Nazis were defeated by rallying and now we will win, no other is given to us, we have no choice.
  19. Stiletto
    Stiletto 12 May 2014 13: 41
    +6
    Russia and the West have no shared future. Let them live with their mustached women, we have our own way.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 12 May 2014 21: 39
      0
      Quote: Stiletto
      Russia and the West have no shared future


      This is exactly 1000%
      and you should never even entertain yourself with illusions regarding the West and the USA
  20. andj61
    andj61 12 May 2014 13: 43
    +2
    The events that unfold today around Ukraine, of which we are witnesses, can without exaggeration be considered a global clash of two civilizations: Russian and Western.


    Exactly! And these events show that Russia has recovered after the Yeltsin fall, that it is seriously responding to the challenges of our time, that Russia has become, without exaggeration, a global player.
    1. koshh
      koshh 12 May 2014 16: 43
      0
      Quote: andj61
      Russia recovered after the Yeltsin fall,

      A small but significant amendment: ".... after Gorbachev's fall."
  21. v245721
    v245721 12 May 2014 13: 49
    +4
    Yes, we haven’t had any relations with America, not when !!!! and in the war they were not there. and that, the second front, they opened so that the USSR did not take over all of Europe. and they acted, primarily in their own interests. at the moment there is no army in europe, so the fagots are dressed in military uniforms. as germany is physically obsolete so moral in europe I don’t know other armies. And America, it will not be able to fight on foreign territory, they simply don’t know the geography and that’s all said.
  22. Baikal
    Baikal 12 May 2014 13: 50
    +1
    Excellent statement of the question.
    ... the question is not only about the further fate of our state, but also about whether the Russian ethnic group and Russian civilization as a whole can survive ...

    Exactly. And no other way!
  23. Platov
    Platov 12 May 2014 13: 53
    0
    The Russian spirit, with the help of the allies of Russia (the army and navy), will stand and smash down the non-traditional minority. God help you!
  24. Nikxnumx
    Nikxnumx 12 May 2014 13: 55
    +12
    Victory will be for RUSSIA !!!
  25. free
    free 12 May 2014 13: 56
    +1
    it is necessary to fight the 5th column, give the appropriate law! give the right to fight to people and indicate them, I think the issue will be solved very quickly.
  26. blizart
    blizart 12 May 2014 13: 57
    +3
    What did Putin say about the charges of "wasteful Olympics"? He said: "I feel Russia needs to shake things up!" The continuing shake-up, oddly enough for the benefit of Russia, for I am deeply convinced that the Russians are a people of accomplishments, in a quiet backwater of routine and everyday life it toils and withers. Again, the current situation revealed hu is hu (Europe presented just a royal gift with a beard) in the harsh light of recent events, as never before, the civil and not very positions of public people (to hell with Makara and Shevchuk, listen to Loza), but the US sanctions list This is generally an instruction to the electorate of Russia. Another thing is that any war is more likely not an inspiring attack of horse lava, but a tedious digging in at every line, in order to avoid losses. This must be understood.
  27. MAZUTA-42
    MAZUTA-42 12 May 2014 14: 02
    +1
    Quote: appolon44
    http://29y.ru/main/521-rossiya-pristupaet-k-evtanazii-ssha.html

    Great news, it’s time to get rid of mukulatura
  28. EvgenSuslov
    EvgenSuslov 12 May 2014 14: 03
    +2
    The whole history of Russia is a challenge. But no matter how hard our subscribers try, they won’t succeed.
  29. goland72
    goland72 12 May 2014 14: 08
    0
    Quote: appolon44
    as expected, the answer was not long in coming: http://29y.ru/main/521-rossiya-pristupaet-k-evtanazii-ssha.html smile

    I think GDP is waiting for the right moment.
  30. Nasha rasha
    Nasha rasha 12 May 2014 14: 13
    +2
    Fucking Americans, the first, and second world war, it was they who carried it! They just did everything as they do now, in general, what I’m watching in Ukraine now is very similar to the Second World War scenario! Anyone who knows will understand what I’m talking about!
  31. driver
    driver 12 May 2014 14: 14
    +3
    And with the fifth column you have to decide!
  32. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 12 May 2014 14: 18
    -1
    Yes, about the battalion Aliya, I also heard. It would be great to launch them in the South-East and arm them appropriately. I would like to see the neo-Nazis when the Aliyans converge with them in hand-to-hand combat. It will go completely unequivocal.
    1. koshh
      koshh 12 May 2014 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Yes, about the battalion Aliya, I also heard.


      If Aliya arrives, then there will be 20 instructors in Odessa for training in organizing a modern underground war. Only after this, about 200 fighters will arrive to support the armed and trained underground. These are their plans.
    2. koshh
      koshh 12 May 2014 16: 57
      0
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Yes, about the battalion Aliya, I also heard.


      If Aliya arrives, then there will be 20 instructors in Odessa for training in organizing a modern underground war. Only after this, about 200 fighters will arrive to support the armed and trained underground. These are their plans.
  33. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 12 May 2014 14: 18
    0
    The future? Yes, and from the gateway they will mourn. Bitch breed, no offense to dogs, this is forever. hi And I will always shake with fear, because the worst fear is the one that you invented yourself, but it is treated only with an ax ... am
  34. ksv500
    ksv500 12 May 2014 14: 31
    +2
    And who said it would be easy ?! If we stand, the world will certainly be different and change for the better. And we won’t stand ... But we don’t have the right to survive !!! The peoples of the planet look at Russia with hope, maybe with the last hope. Democracy of the West is obvious - Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, now Ukraine and everywhere else, if Russia does not survive!
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 12 May 2014 14: 58
      +1
      Today we play hockey in Belarus with the USA. On the one hand, an ordinary qualifying match, on the other - the battle in Minsk (the fourth in Europe in size, the stadium). American hockey players won 3-2 against Switzerland. Two goals in the American goal did not protect in controversial situations. We wait!!!
  35. Gagarin
    Gagarin 12 May 2014 14: 47
    +5
    POSSIBLE AND FAKE, BUT I WANT TO LAY OUT:

    Address by the Chairman of the DPR Security Council, the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the DPR

    In connection with the declaration of independence of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and in order to protect its population from external aggression
    I hereby decree:

    1. To reassign to me, as the supreme commander of the DPR, all military formations, security agencies, police, customs, border guards, prosecutors, and other militarized structures permanently deployed in the republic. From now on, commanders will carry out only my orders and instructions.

    2. Introduce the regime of counter-terrorism operation (CTO) on the territory of the DPR. Within the framework of the CTO, all militants of Ukrainian neo-Nazi groups (the so-called "National Guard", the Right Sector, the "Lyashko battalion", etc.) are to be detained, and in case of armed resistance, they are destroyed on the spot.

    3. Law enforcement agencies of the republic to ensure criminal prosecution of the leaders of the Kiev junta and other persons involved in the incitement, organization and commission of mass killings in the territory of the DPR: I. Kolomoisky, P. Nalivaychenko, A. Parubiya, A. Avakov, Yu. Timoshenko, A. Turchinov, A. Yatsenyuk, O. Lyashko, A. Artemenko as well as US citizens J. Brennan, V. Nuland, J. Psaki.

    4. All soldiers and officers of the armed forces, internal troops, SBU, Ministry of Internal Affairs and other militarized structures of Ukraine from this moment are considered to be illegally located in the territory of the DPR. Within 48 hours, they must swear allegiance to the DNI or leave its territory. Everyone who passes under the command of the DPR authorities is guaranteed the preservation of military and special ranks, monetary allowances and social guarantees (provided that they are not involved in the commission of grave and especially grave crimes).

    5. Considering the emergency situation in the country, the genocide of the Donetsk population unleashed by the Kiev junta and the threat of NATO intervention, I appeal to the Russian Federation to provide military assistance to the DPR.

    I. Strelkov.
  36. Free Island
    Free Island 12 May 2014 15: 43
    +2
    dear author, RUSSIAN ETHNOS will be able to save itself even in the event of a nuclear war, but the US is NOT, because the American is not an ethnic group, not even a nationality .. these are geographical coordinates, a location on the globe))) the location of anyone who has come from everywhere who is not needed to homeland rabble, and the Americans are Brazilians, Mexicans and all the rest, and there (in Mexico, Brazil and so on) there are ethnic groups, but in the USA, I repeat, NO))))) everything is fine, everything is fine, neither Russian where did not go)))))))
  37. gogen3
    gogen3 12 May 2014 15: 55
    0
    Need to hammer while it's hot. The people are now on the rise, the people believed in Russia, believed (finally) in Putin (he himself did not believe in him six months ago). With such moods, maybe officials will change their minds and start working for Russia, and not for themselves and their dachas. If we support the DPR and Novorossia (subject to the availability of an official request from Strelkov), then at least we will save our own people, and at the maximum we will get a developed industrial region. And do not care that G_ey_ropa and ASASHAI will scream there ...
  38. UREC
    UREC 12 May 2014 16: 03
    0
    Read about our "partners" - http://warfiles.ru/show-55916-morskie-pehotincy-gei-vystupayut-protiv-zhenschin-
    v-armii-ssha.html
  39. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 12 May 2014 16: 22
    -1
    I think if our leadership doesn’t turn on the back, then the people of Russia will support it for a good cause, so that the simple Russian people of the svaykh will not betray him in the equipped one!
  40. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 12 May 2014 16: 25
    +1
    The West and Russia have always been enemies, no matter how well-intentioned the West was, it always had one desire, the destruction of Russia. Here we need to build further policy from these circumstances and never forget how much grief such kind, democratic uncles and aunts brought us .
  41. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 12 May 2014 16: 30
    +1
    Quote: chauffeur
    And with the fifth column you have to decide!

    And in the most decisive way. And do not forget about the sixth, it is even worse than the fifth. Be sure to tighten the criminal code in relation to them. Here is not a banana republic, but GREAT RUSSIA. It is necessary to drive all this mug from RUSSIA.
  42. Sour
    Sour 12 May 2014 16: 47
    -1
    It is clear that for Russia, cooperation with countries that do not have political conditions — India, China, South Korea, Iran, and others — is preferable.
    But here are four questions:
    1) Will it go on like this? Could we wait for the very fact that China itself, when the Russian economy will be more dragged into their economy, will also begin to bash Ponte, put forward various requirements, set conditions?
    2) To what extent are we ready to curtail trade with the West, primarily with Europe? It is clear that the share of the West in the global economy is decreasing, the influence is weakening. But for now, we cannot do without trade with the EU.
    3) How can we, while maintaining beneficial relations with the West for us, avoid the influence of the West on our domestic politics and ideology?
    4) What potential potential allies and opponents can we have?
    In my opinion, no one, including Russia, is capable of playing the role of an independent center of power. Unilateral orientation to the West or to China is dangerous. Therefore, inevitably maneuvering Russia between different centers of power. This is both inevitable for the United States and China. They alone are also unable to confront the rest of the World. They, too, somehow maneuver, take into account the real balance of power.
    That’s how I see the current situation. What will happen next - we'll see.
    ----------
    Mlyn, read the comments and again was upset. The article is sincere, but small and superficial. But the topic touched upon - the future of relations between Russia and the West - is a very capacious and complex topic. And very interesting. There is something to really discuss, evaluate and weigh. Instead, there are biting phrases, clear-cut slogans, beautiful pictures, calls to defeat the whole World alone, and zero analysis, no attempts to think over and discuss the situation.
  43. vsoltan
    vsoltan 12 May 2014 17: 18
    -1
    The article is stupid and alarmist. Who does the author work for? Minus one. Russia stood and will stand .... and all these hysterical cries from behind the hillock are complete nonsense, their gut is thin.
  44. Ross
    Ross 12 May 2014 17: 29
    0
    Quote: Validator
    They play out. Although the people there begin to see clearly. Support for Russia among normal people is growing. Maybe everything will happen unexpectedly for everyone in a democratic way - they will simply re-elect power to Le Pen and similar politicians supporting Putin. That will be fun :)

    And here is what the NATO general issued:
    The commander-in-chief of NATO forces in Europe, Philip Breedlove, issued another interesting forecast on the topic of Ukraine. If a month ago he frightened the world, claiming that the introduction of Russian troops into the independent was a matter of three to five days, now he is confident that this will not happen. And this, he said, is also not good for the North Atlantic Alliance.

    Communicating with military diplomats in Canada, Bridlav once again confirmed that the Russian armed forces do not cross (and are not going to cross) the border, and that man-portable air defense systems with which Ukrainian helicopters were shot down in the vicinity of Slavyansk could well fall into the hands of militias from numerous military depots, and the Russians have nothing to do with it.

    And then there was a revelation in the style typical for representatives of the “civilized world”: the very fact that Russia does not send troops into Ukraine, Bridlav considers ... a serious problem for NATO! In the same way, a few weeks ago, the general spoke about the possible entry of our troops. It turns out: Russians will appear in the east of Ukraine - a problem, they will not appear - again a problem ... So understand them, these NATO members ...

    However, Breedlove puts everything on the shelves. According to him, in the absence of visible aggression, other countries, including those allied by NATO, will again begin to be friends with Russia, restoring economic (and not only) ties. It turns out that all the anti-Russian sanctions over which they worked at night in the White House are down the drain? And what is this in the worldview of a typical “bearer of democratic values”, if not a threat? No, it is only allowed to be friends with Russia with the permission of the USA! What will happen to those who still do not understand this, the general chewed at the same meeting:

    “The period when Russia was our partner has ended, we are already in a different time period,” Breedlove bluntly hinted and hinted: “And I believe that some countries need to realize this ...”
    1. Sour
      Sour 12 May 2014 18: 14
      -1
      Quote: Ross
      The period when Russia was our partner is over, we are already in a different time period,

      This is already more interesting.
      And we need to figure it out, do we really need cooperation with NATO on Afghanistan?
      I'm not sure.
      The United States imposes sanctions in areas where it does not threaten losses. It is time for us to respond in a mirror. The transit for NATO troops to Afghanistan through Russia should be curtailed. Russia does not need this. In my opinion, NATO does not play any deterrent role there with respect to Islamic extremists. It is a myth.
  45. Vorkutinets
    Vorkutinets 12 May 2014 17: 56
    +1
    Quote: larand
    Ask any student who are Schwarzeneger and Alexander Matrosov. Guess that they will answer you.

    stop But that's another story. For such knowledge of our children, I must say "A huge THANK YOU" to those who so zealously in the 90s began to rewrite our textbooks in a Western manner .. depriving the real and complete history of the Russian state. This applies to almost all of our textbooks. request
  46. Camouflet
    Camouflet 12 May 2014 22: 03
    0
    "... the current" authorities "in Kiev have become the very ram, ..."

    Yes, they did not become any battering ram. The gut is thin, no fantasy, no brains. You cannot go far on hatred alone. As for the Pindo.sovs, their cretininski behavior is behavior on the verge of despair. Some statements by their State Deputies are bullshit. They can do nothing. And soon, Europe will leave them.

    Russia must boldly crush and crush, regardless of any sanctions or shouts in the media. The suit has gone! And when the suit goes, catch luck.