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Gas issue: prepayment instead of compromise

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From June 1 Ukraine will be transferred to the prepayment mode for gas supplied by Russia. The introduction of prepayment is provided for by a contract between Gazprom and Naftogaz. Meanwhile, Ukrainian Minister of Fuel and Energy Y. Prodan said that the Ukrainian side does not intend to pay Gazprom for fuel supplies at 480 dollars per thousand cubic meters. 8 May at a briefing Prodan also said that Ukraine may apply to the arbitration court in order to revise the debt to Gazprom for the gas supplied.


The introduction of the advance payment mode for gas supplied to Ukraine by Russia was reported by the Russian Ministry of Energy with reference to Minister Alexander Novak, reports Interfax.

The deadline before which the Ukrainian side had to pay for the supplied gas, has expired on May 7, the ministry noted. At the same time, since March, 2014 of the year NAK Naftogaz of Ukraine has not received a single payment.

The total debt of Kiev for gas amounted to 3,508 billion.

Also, the message of the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation states that the transition to prepayment was provided for by p. 5.1.5 and 5.8 of the supply contract from 2009 between OAO Gazprom and NAK Naftogaz of Ukraine.

The preliminary bill for the June deliveries to Naftogaz will be put out by our Gazprom until May 16. It is noted that in June such a volume of gas will be delivered to Ukraine, which will be paid before 31 in May.

Novak said: “The Russian approach to the issue of support for the Ukrainian economy is set out in a letter from the President of the Russian Federation and that Russia can no longer and should not alone bear the burden of supporting the Ukrainian economy by giving it discounts on gas and forgiving its debts, actually paying with its subsidies, the deficit in the trade of Ukraine and the EU member states ”.

Interfax also reports that on May 7, Ukraine received the first tranche from the IMF (about $ 3,19 billion). Moreover, the stand-by-fund program for Ukraine just assumes that Naftogaz will acquire 2,16 billion from the National Bank and by the end of May pay off the overdue debt to Gazprom as of the end of March.

Nevertheless, the policy in Ukraine is still moving ahead of the economy. With the same success as a cart before a horse.

8 in May, the Minister of Fuel and Energy of Ukraine Yuriy Prodan said that Kiev does not intend to pay Gazprom for fuel supplies at a new increased price, reports "Lenta.ru".

"We can not pay in advance at the price of 480 dollars per cubic meter," - said Sold at the briefing. In addition, he said that Ukraine may apply to the arbitration court for the purpose of revising the debt to Gazprom for the gas supplied: “There is a pre-arbitration period. The letter that Gazprom sent to Naftogaz of Ukraine provided for the implementation of the relevant procedures, and there is also a complaint that it is possible, and our lawyers tell us, today to reconsider the corresponding debt, which was formed even on January 1 of 2014. ".

Sold also said that the amount of debt can be reduced in court, if Kiev goes to court. Russian gas for Ukraine is now worth 485 dollars per 1 thousand cubic meters. m, which is 20-25% more expensive than the average for Europe.

Thus, a simple conclusion suggests itself: Kiev is not going to use the money received from the IMF to pay off the debt to Gazprom. What is he going to spend it on? And how is this possible, if the funds are received for a specific program, and the Fund will try to control their expenditures?

Actually, Kiev, with its empty treasury and economic recession, has nothing to pay at all. And not only to Gazprom. That is, the money for the Russian gas industry can "come" only from funds issued by the IMF.

But this is just one question. The Russian side is also interested in the other: will Kiev steal that gas that Gazprom will pump for Europe?

First, as it turned out, Kiev decided to spend money from the IMF: a) to replenish the state’s foreign exchange reserves (about a billion); b) replenish the budget in order to stabilize the financial state of the country (the remaining part of the amount). At least, Stepan Kubiv, the head of the Ukrainian National Bank, reported on such plans. This person is apparently of little interest in the IMF target program. However, again, there is a loophole: in the IMF memorandum, notes Gazeta.ru, it is not specified from which particular tranche of the Fund money should be taken to pay debts for gas. But nevertheless, the IMF representative Gerard Vasha made it clear to Kiev that the fund provided Ukraine with enough funds to pay off the existing debt.

Therefore, Kiev will most likely turn to international arbitration. This forecast confirms the futility of the outcome of the negotiations, held in Warsaw, 2 May. (Speech on trilateral negotiations with the participation of representatives of Russia, Ukraine and the EU.)

Gazeta.ru quotes Sergei Agibalov, head of the economic department of the Institute of Energy and Finance:

“But if a compromise solution is not reached, the most negative scenario is possible. Ukraine may begin an unauthorized selection of Russian gas from transit volumes, which will lead to a worsening of relations. ”


But will mother Europe say something to this? After all, “transit volumes” are those intended for EU countries. The United States is not going to at all in the coming months and even years to overwhelm the EU market with cheap shale gas (however, its cheapness when delivered to Europe is generally questionable).

To whom, in the case of "weaning" of transit gas by Ukraine, will the EU show with a finger? To Kiev? Or maybe out of old habit to Moscow? They say they supply, so let them deal with the kidnappers?

Well, what if euro-nations start to freeze in autumn? Would they then agree with their pro-American rulers, pointing their fingers at Russians?

The situation is difficult. But temporary workers in Kiev should understand that the attitude of the European Union to the independent state depends on the resolution of the gas conflict. And the attitude towards them, temporary workers.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 12 May 2014 08: 05
    +32
    Hmm. I won’t wish Europe a warm winter.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 12 May 2014 08: 13
      +46
      The crane had to be closed immediately after the coup, and not contain the Banderofascist beast for free.
      1. Flinky
        Flinky 12 May 2014 08: 33
        +20
        Take it easy. There, in fact, not only Bandera live - and ours, relatives, Russians too.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 12 May 2014 08: 42
          +11
          The sooner this Bandera-Fascist under-state disappears, the better and easier it will be for both Russians and Ukrainians. You don’t even have to have a mind, but only eyes to see us being shot there, burned alive, as in Odessa Khatyn, our language and faith are forbidden, temples are selected
        2. kristofer
          kristofer 12 May 2014 11: 49
          +22
          Yes, we live here, but when surgical intervention is necessary, it is necessary to cut it, and not to chew snot
          1. Akulina
            Akulina 12 May 2014 15: 01
            +2
            Bear with a little, we in Russia may also have a hard time. But it's worth it. And this bloody circus will not last long ....
      2. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 12 May 2014 11: 58
        +5
        To cut off the Ukrainian pipe on figs and by autumn "the price of firewood will rise at Kiivi", the advance of the Ukrainian steppe towards the Carpathians, Galicia, and further Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, etc. will begin. And when the whole forest is cut down, maybe the brains will fall into place! And the geyrope and the lesson, oh, sorry, "ukrov"
    2. Rus86
      Rus86 12 May 2014 08: 25
      +6
      -10 there is almost a national disaster, but without heat ... they will bask in sanctions.
    3. Yun Klob
      Yun Klob 12 May 2014 08: 50
      +8
      That's what Europe stopped rocking against the South Stream.
    4. Latysh
      Latysh 12 May 2014 09: 20
      +19
      Money in the morning, chairs in the evening .... Insolent to live on a freebie, it’s how many years have suffered the tricks of Kiev, for the sake of Sevastopol and our fleet. Our Crimea, cheers, cheers, cheers! Putin V.V. And the residents of the Crimea a huge respect !!!
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 12 May 2014 09: 55
        +6
        I understand we regret the Ukrainian people, but it is time for their authorities and Europe to show what the Stone Age is without gas, at least temporarily, otherwise we frighten everything.
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 12 May 2014 10: 52
          +12
          I do not agree with the term "Mother Europe", Europe is a decrepit old woman, we have only one mother, Russia!
          1. smile
            smile 12 May 2014 15: 07
            +4
            Igor39
            Well. if it’s an old woman. it’s a kind of Shapoklyak with Krysk-Lariska, whose role is played by the Ukrainian junta. :) Lariska, in the bag !!! :)))
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 12 May 2014 21: 32
            0
            Europe is an evil stepmother.
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    5. xenod55
      xenod55 12 May 2014 12: 28
      0
      And Europe does not wish a warm autumn either.
    6. AVV
      AVV 12 May 2014 12: 49
      +1
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Hmm. I won’t wish Europe a warm winter.

      Let them feel real Siberian frosts !!! Then half of the gays will freeze !!!
      1. PATTIY
        PATTIY 12 May 2014 20: 15
        +2
        Quote: AVV
        Let them feel real Siberian frosts !!

        I was in Belgium in Bru in 2008. The excursion group and I walked through the city center. We are watching people with placards - "Ukraine is a thief". In all seriousness belay also swear. As our guide explained, they confused you with Ukraine. It was summer, so they have been meeting Ukraine like this since winter. But they don’t know how to distinguish: Russian is Ukrainian.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 12 May 2014 08: 08
    +14
    It's high time ... how can you trust people repeatedly violating their obligations ... only grandmas forward

    (in the morning money .. in the evening chairs, in the evening money ... in the morning chairs smile )
    1. mark7
      mark7 12 May 2014 08: 27
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      It's high time ... how can you trust people repeatedly violating their obligations ... only grandmas forward

      (in the morning money .. in the evening chairs, in the evening money ... in the morning chairs smile )

      I’m sure that Kotovasia will be so, whoever comes to power there needs a different flow
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 12 May 2014 08: 45
        +8
        The faster they block the gas, in case of non-payment of debt and prepayment, the faster the people of Ukraine will throw the Bandera Nazi junta from power.
        The people of the South-East, in this situation, will better understand that "they have to make their legs" from "independent independent" to the newly formed Novorossia, so that, God forbid, they do not freeze in Banderlogia next winter.
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    2. ed65b
      ed65b 12 May 2014 08: 48
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      (in the morning money .. in the evening chairs, in the evening money ... in the morning chairs)

      But can it be the other way around? You can, only money in advance.
  3. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 12 May 2014 08: 13
    +19
    Gentlemen from GAZPROM, how much you can transfer from empty to empty, you’re tired of looking at your sexual impotence in front of the Kiev junta, you should give them a credit card of some kind, so that they can pay for gas and there is still money to destroy their own people. taps to hell and no negotiations until they become white and fluffy.
    1. jjj
      jjj 12 May 2014 13: 21
      +4
      Gazprom would have shut it down long ago. But here is high politics
    2. smile
      smile 12 May 2014 15: 17
      +4
      A1L9E4K9S
      The fact is that the cessation of supplies in accordance with contracts and international law is a rather lengthy procedure. Currently, the process that we launched immediately after the junta came to power has reached the finish line. Do not forget, our actions must be legally flawless and even morally justified (although politics and morality are poorly compatible). For example, even with all the most decisive actions of the USSR in the prewar years, we strictly observed the norms of international law and the treaty.
      1. Babon
        Babon 12 May 2014 16: 23
        +1
        Well, they are threatening to bring the matter to court, and this, in general, is such a protracted dispute. In general, time is wasting.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 12 May 2014 19: 41
          +2
          Quote: Babon
          Well, they threaten to bring the matter to court

          This is ridiculous! Well, imagine - you are trading something in the bazaar, let's say for 2 rubles. Everyone takes it, it’s the turn of a certain dude, and he declares: “I won’t pay 2 rubles, let’s pay for a ruble or I will file a lawsuit!”. So what can I say? What kind of court ???
          1. Babon
            Babon 12 May 2014 23: 02
            0
            Yes, the fact of the matter, I would also not give up mortgages on such conditions))
      2. Evgeniy1
        Evgeniy1 12 May 2014 23: 23
        +1
        One should learn not from "international law", but from the United States how to achieve its "interests" ...
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 12 May 2014 08: 16
    +4
    For some reason, many people think that the "maydanutyh" leaders of the junta have conscience and honor, and they have grown horseradish and radish in this place!
    1. sscha
      sscha 12 May 2014 08: 41
      +1
      Here, here .... And still killed (quote): Temporary workers from Kiev must understand ..... depends on the attitude of the European Union to the independent. belay
      "Understand" - at least gray matter must be present in the skull. repeat
      "The attitude of the European Union ..." - and temporary workers need it if they are temporary workers? hi
  5. Round cat
    Round cat 12 May 2014 08: 16
    +7
    Pay, probably, will be "fancy girls", the photo seems to hint.
    1. max702
      max702 12 May 2014 11: 56
      +2
      And with gayropeans, payment is made by "garny" lads! Other goods that are in demand from Western partners are no longer there ..
  6. mig31
    mig31 12 May 2014 08: 25
    +2
    If there is no mind, consider a cripple, and the cold is just around the corner. Debt payment is red ...
  7. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 12 May 2014 08: 28
    -7
    It is possible to block gas to Ukraine, only who will suffer from this? Without heat and energy there will remain enterprises and the population that regularly pay for this gas. To organize international pressure on the top of the junta, to act within the framework of treaties and international legislation - this is a normal solution to the problem. And I ask the cavalrymen to include their brains. The time to wave checkers has not come yet.
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 12 May 2014 08: 34
      -10%
      That's it! And then divorced here - every second Budyonny or Voroshilov.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 12 May 2014 08: 49
        +12
        And who do you want to see Mazep and Vlasov here?
    2. pv1005
      pv1005 12 May 2014 08: 48
      +7
      So already half a year, as if it’s good, it’s not working. And if you are so worried about future victims, then take and pay charity from YOUR pocket.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 12 May 2014 09: 50
        +2
        It is possible to block gas to Ukraine, only who will suffer from this? Without heat and energy, enterprises and the population will remain
        ........... I read somewhere that it is possible to supply gas to the Southeast through a bypass pipe ....... if this is true, then everything is very reasonable, why subsidize the agony of this regime?
      2. max702
        max702 12 May 2014 12: 00
        +1
        What half a year! What are you? 23 years, and even more !!!
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 12 May 2014 19: 48
        -1
        Quote: pv1005
        And if you are so worried about future victims, then take and pay charity from YOUR pocket.

        So almost everyone here calls them "brothers", "fraternal people", they call on the troops to send for help and immediately cut off the gas - let them freeze and be left without work? Mikhail tried to say this, for which he was minus. You will decide whether the brothers are there or not.
    3. made13
      made13 12 May 2014 09: 43
      +26
      For some reason, the population of Pravosekia is not worried that there is not enough water in Crimea for agriculture. On the contrary, many say: "You knew what you were doing!" So our answer is: "You knew what you were doing!"
      1. max702
        max702 12 May 2014 12: 02
        +3
        So to raise the gas price by 50 more green ones, because it is necessary to compensate for the drought and losses .. The answer to all questions is simple "You knew what you were doing!"
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 12 May 2014 21: 37
          +2
          Quote: max702
          So to raise the gas price by 50 more green ones, because it is necessary to compensate for the drought and losses .. The answer to all questions is simple "You knew what you were doing!"

          They don’t pay for "those" prices. They won't pay at least a thousand bucks.
    4. wax
      wax 12 May 2014 12: 53
      +4
      It’s good for you to remember the "tears of a child" that liberals screamed about in the late 80s. Russia has subsidized the Ukrainian economy for 20 years through gas discounts. So what? Has the population started to live better? While it is clear that it is more fun. There are no cavalrymen, no compassionate ones. Finita la comedy.
    5. PATTIY
      PATTIY 12 May 2014 20: 25
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail M
      . The time to wave checkers has not come yet.

      What does the checkers have to do with it! This money goes to the budget.
      Also, you thought HOW this gas is produced (and oil, too). People work in shifts. The work is very hard. It’s not at home to sit with my wife on the stove.
  8. mackonya
    mackonya 12 May 2014 08: 29
    +3
    Yes, this is an old trick, while they will supposedly judge, they won’t pay, they decided to pull the time.
    1. dilyanna
      dilyanna 12 May 2014 08: 50
      0
      arrogant freeloaders, and plundered the received money ... probably the part will go on a rollback
    2. wax
      wax 12 May 2014 13: 00
      +3
      Having freed Tymoshenko, the junta also admitted that the gas agreement is absolutely legal. You can sue until you turn blue, but this does not affect the execution of the contract, but sanctions will increase. If the court suddenly finds that Ukraine has overpaid somewhere, then the overpayment can be returned or set off against future deliveries. The Ukrainian squeal about the arbitration court has been going on for five years. But who is to blame for the fact that the Ukrainians opened their mouths for benefits, not taking into account the world oil prices.
    3. Evgeniy1
      Evgeniy1 12 May 2014 23: 28
      0
      The banderlogs got the IMF 3 billion greens, this money, of course, will not go to pay for gas, but will go to suppress the Southeast, to pay the National Guard, the corrupt police, SBU, provocateurs and some traitors of the militias. This is the reason for such unprecedented arrogance from Avakov and other UNCLEAN. I think this money will be enough for 2-3 weeks of "military" operations.
  9. subbtin.725
    subbtin.725 12 May 2014 08: 31
    +5
    IT IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE FENCES, THERE IS A DANGER THAT GAY-ROPE WILL DRAG INTO FIRE; NOT CLOSE IN THE MOUNTAINS. SOON WILL CHANGE THE MILITARY RHETORIC FOR A BOW, WAIT WHEN THE PONTS WILL BE PASSED.
  10. gandalf
    gandalf 12 May 2014 08: 32
    +4
    “We cannot pay in advance at the price of 480 dollars per cubic meter,” - Sold at a briefing.


    Take Benny ... He has mercenaries, gas must be ... bully

    Kiev decided to spend money from the IMF: a) to replenish the state's foreign exchange reserves (about a billion); b) replenish the budget in order to stabilize the financial condition of the country (the remaining part of the amount)


    It is also necessary to sprinkle with salt, say crack-fex-pex ... And there will be money, ooooh .... laughing
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 12 May 2014 08: 41
    +22
    Like all maydanutyh, Prodan has no conscience! What is the "new price"? This is the same price that he signed with Yulka. Or does he not recognize his signature on the contract? If Yanukovych asked for a discount, it’s not the junta who was given the discount, but Yanuk. You kicked him out, now you pay according to Yulka's agreement. What are the claims?
    And the IMF "touches" me! "We gave you enough funds to pay off your debts" ... And steal? Well it’s that kind of money float past "honest hands" !!!
    By the way, there is one more nuance. Under international agreements with Gazprom, it is prohibited to resell this gas to another party. Those. if (Slovakia, Hungary) resold gas to Ukraine, taking advantage of the fact that they themselves sell gas cheaper than Ukraine, then these countries can also be brought to justice. Let them not risk it! Now let the "European court" think in whose favor to decide the claim, if Ukraine does file such a claim against Russia. hi
    1. The point
      The point 12 May 2014 16: 03
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      Like all Maydanuty, Sold has no conscience!

      so this conscience was apparently sold at dumping prices. wassat
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 12 May 2014 21: 42
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      Like all Maydanuty, Sold has no conscience!


      I reposted your message to the censor. No, I feel banned now.
  12. bistrov.
    bistrov. 12 May 2014 08: 42
    +13
    It was necessary to stop the gas supply from February 22, after the seizure of power by the junta, then the indignant people would have swept this power off the face of the earth. My opinion: the Russian leadership lacks decisiveness, there is too much empty talk, and time is running out. Pay less attention to screams mattress workers and eurogays. Engage in a specific case.
  13. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 12 May 2014 08: 48
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kQy5JdDn8s
  14. dilyanna
    dilyanna 12 May 2014 08: 49
    -2
    I didn’t look at the contract, but if Russia sends gas to Europe, then who controls and is responsible for passing through the territory of Ukraine? If these are European problems, then let them be its problems ... and they stole and will steal ...
    It seems that if Gazprom raised the price, then maybe he generally wants to Ukraine, and then to send Europe away ???
    Or it’s a strat.khod, to generally raise the price to 500-600dol. and set your terms ...
  15. ed65b
    ed65b 12 May 2014 08: 52
    +2
    They are not going to pay on the go. I have the opinion that our Gazprom dill tightly took the eggs and do not let go, at least from the side it seems so. From Gazprom, only persuasions and cries from dill are concrete movements. there is no money and will not be, but we won’t pay and the gas as we stole, so we steal, and we will go to court. And in response .....
    1. Baikal
      Baikal 12 May 2014 08: 55
      +3
      And in response Russia may default on Ukraine.
      The time for extreme measures has not yet arrived, but is inexorably approaching.
      Interesting article, read.

      http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/42585
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 12 May 2014 18: 12
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      They are not going to pay on the go. I have the opinion that our Gazprom dill tightly took the eggs and do not let go, at least from the side it seems so.

      No, Edward. Gazprom has long been ready to talk harshly with Ukraine, including in all kinds of courts. There was no go-ahead. Now it has already arrived.
      And these ahly our organization for almost 100 million rubles. threw it. Now they can’t recover this money from them. Force majeure will be pressed. Anyway. Let's see what happens with the linear part there. And she is now far from being in a brilliant state. And I put it mildly. And I doubt that in the near future go about. you, who dare to cooperate with them on the topic of gas pipeline diagnostics ... In general, we are waiting, sir ...
  16. Gray 43
    Gray 43 12 May 2014 08: 57
    +6
    Surprised that Bandera have no money, Ukraine is the richest country in the world! (according to a handful of its inhabitants) They take gas supplies for granted, so to speak, a tribute to the winner (?) The great Ukrainians liberated the whole world from the "liberator" Hitler, the rest of the USSR was so caught up, now everyone owes them. I think that " Gazprom "turned to the wrong address - small clerks are sitting in Kiev, the real rulers of the country and its finances should be looked for in Washington and Brussels, it will be more difficult to steal gas for Europe - they do not admit that they stole, even if they are caught by the hand
  17. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 12 May 2014 08: 58
    +2
    Do not go for any discounts for them. First money, then the goods. They will steal, reduce the gas supply. They will continue to steal, completely block the gas. Let EUROPE deal with them. And about the fact that there are ours too, ours will be understood and tolerated. But Bandera feed at the expense of RUSSIA is not necessary. And call for it too. good
  18. skylare
    skylare 12 May 2014 08: 59
    +4
    When will Gazprom finally do something? A few days ago, it was necessary to suspend gas transit - instead, silence. Yaytsenyukh also sets conditions. Is it really impossible to besiege this presumptuous .... person? They will soon jump from impunity to the ceiling.
    1. wax
      wax 12 May 2014 13: 07
      +1
      Let him jump. Haste is needed when catching fleas, and here the beast is worse - the head is in Washington, the body is in the EU, and the tentacles are in Ukraine. We should not shave Turchinov, but to crush the Nazi reptile.
  19. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 12 May 2014 09: 09
    +2
    The fact that Ukraine and its current "leaders" did not intend and are not going to pay clearly from the very beginning ... dishonesty and the habit of living for free since the time of the nationwide Kuchma has spoiled it ... IT now believes that everyone owes them anyway.

    Europe ... if it needs gas ... let it solve its problems of transporting through Ukraine itself, and if they allocate money to pay off the state debt of Ukraine ... then it must be transferred directly to Russia ... bypassing the sticky fingers of Ukrainian freeloaders.
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 12 May 2014 09: 20
    +3
    "Ukrainian Minister of Fuel and Energy Yu. Prodan said that the Ukrainian side does not intend to pay Gazprom for fuel supplies at a price of $ 480 per cubic meter. On May 8, at a briefing, Prodan also said that Ukraine could apply to an arbitration court to review the debt to Gazprom for the supplied gas. "

    Yes, how much can you do about it? They will not pay, so they will heat dung, if there is enough cattle for this. But for debt, meanwhile, let the interest drop.
  21. alekc73
    alekc73 12 May 2014 09: 26
    +6
    Enough to support this regime, which spoils Russia and hates Russians. They don’t want to pay, whether or not they are satisfied with the price, let them heat them with dung and firewood. They had privileges for 23 years. The freebie ended.
  22. Russ69
    Russ69 12 May 2014 09: 35
    +5
    Quote: silberwolf88
    The fact that Ukraine and its current "leaders" were not and are not going to pay clearly from the very beginning ...

    Yaytsenyukh, recently announced; "Russia has 24 days to drop the price" ...

    It’s time to move on to sanctions, to adopt the experience of the gay people. Start reducing gas supplies, impose sanctions against bureaucrats who unleashed a war with the people.
    I, not a supporter of waving a saber left and right, but you can’t look at this mess either indifferently.

    But the most important thing now remains Putin recognizes the referendum or not ...

    Peskov said yesterday that the GDP will tell its decision, after the announcement, its final result. In Donetsk and Lugansk, the result should be announced on Tuesday. So what are we waiting for ...

    LUGANSK, May 12 - RIA Novosti. According to preliminary data, 94 - 98% of voters supported the state independence of the proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic in a referendum said the chairman of the Central Election Commission for the referendum on the status of the Luhansk region, Alexander Malykhin.

    "As of this morning, 28 territorial commissions have been processed. We are expecting data from territorial commissions from difficult areas where the guys fall under the influence of the National Guard, according to intermediate data, 94-98% of voters voted for the state independence of the Lugansk People's Republic," Malykhin said.

    He noted that more accurate data are expected by 12.00 (13.00 Moscow time) on Monday after receiving data from the problematic territorial constituencies, as well as data on the voting results of residents of the region in Moscow. Malykhin noted that, in general, the vote took place. According to the head of the CEC, there are a total of 32 territorial polling stations on the territory of the Luhansk region.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140512/1007424960.html#ixzz31TdUDLOf
    1. wax
      wax 12 May 2014 13: 17
      0
      It makes absolutely no sense for us to recognize or not recognize the results of the referendum (in legal essence - the poll). What has already been said is important that we respect the choice (opinion) of the entire population of Donbass. It is also important that it opens a gateway for targeted assistance to this region - from humanitarian to military-technical. Our troops are not needed there - they are not intended for guerrilla warfare. In addition, there are enough people who can hold weapons in their hands - you just need to have them, modern ones. Donetsk will clean up their territory even better due to knowledge of local realities and with minimal damage to the image of Russia. And we still have a lot to do. Yes, and Europe must be shocked to pay for its "victory", as well as check their own "integrity."
    2. Zeus
      Zeus 12 May 2014 13: 29
      -1
      Quote: Russ69
      But the most important thing now remains, Putin recognizes the referendum or not ...


      Putin recognized the referendum on May 7, his recommendation to postpone it to a later date)
  23. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 12 May 2014 09: 51
    +6
    Stop being good uncles! If you can’t pay, sit on coal and wood. And if they steal, let the EU move one place. And then they are good, but we are bad.
    You can’t produce dependents all the time. We have enough of our own problems.
    1. The point
      The point 12 May 2014 16: 06
      +2
      it's time to freeloaders something to crack.
    2. MBA78
      MBA78 12 May 2014 16: 37
      0
      in any case, they are in the red, the longer the debt, the tighter the clamp or the shorter the leash on the junta’s neck ... the main thing is that the delivery is carried out stably in the standard mode (so as not to disrupt the production rhythm to the detriment of oneself) ... and politicians are always in their hands there will be a tool to create any pressure, etc.
  24. 3vs
    3vs 12 May 2014 09: 57
    +3
    They are so brave, while behind the staffs.
    When the "Maidan" of the population freezing from the cold gathers, then
    there will be another conversation.
  25. yulka2980
    yulka2980 12 May 2014 09: 59
    +5
    For a long time it was time to work with them only on an advance payment! Nowhere in the world give such gifts as Russia to Ukraine! That's enough! I don’t like it, let them switch to firewood am
  26. buzer
    buzer 12 May 2014 10: 13
    -1
    the whole point of what is happening in Ukraine is contained in one word !!! "GAZ". All Kiev's actions are aimed at making Russia "turn off the tap." As soon as Russia builds bypass routes for the delivery of gas or Europe finds an alternative to Russian gas, then immediately Ukraine will be fucking useless ...
    1. Zeus
      Zeus 12 May 2014 13: 27
      +1
      Gas is the main cause of Ukrainian oligarchs. The USA needs Ukraine for other reasons. Brzezinski often issued as his own, the policy of Austrian and German government officials in relation to Ukraine. Do not be too lazy to find on the Internet and read.
  27. sinukvl
    sinukvl 12 May 2014 10: 19
    +9
    It is high time to do this, otherwise for 23 years of free gas they received not only impudent dependents, but also "thank you". That's when they start paying, and then they might get it and think.
  28. Polarfox
    Polarfox 12 May 2014 10: 20
    +2
    Quote: yulka2980
    It was high time to work with them only on a prepaid basis!

    Do you think they will be left without gas? Yes, nevermind. Europe will remain without gas, which will make a claim to Russia. So it happened to them. The thief is not to blame, but the one who delivers without taking into account theft. Europe has a serious reason to reflect on what the Maidan foundlings warmed by it do. But, I think, at the behest of the United States, Europe will begin to vote on the lawlessness of the Russians.
  29. okunevich_rv
    okunevich_rv 12 May 2014 10: 57
    +3
    Look, the United States is studying from our 90s, the IMF loot through Yatsenyuk is turned, they will put it in another pocket, and Ukraine is in debt, beauty. Old kidalovo and works. Then they will pass a law on the sale of land to foreign citizens and Ukraine will be taken away for debts, and dill will be dispersed throughout Europe. :)
    1. Zeus
      Zeus 12 May 2014 13: 23
      0
      Ukraine has nothing to do with this debt, as current persons who have taken a loan do not have the right to do so. Such a signature can be put only by the president of Ukraine. And the legitimacy of these bandits is insignificant. This means that the loan was taken not by Ukraine, but by the Kiev junta. She will have to repay this debt.
      1. 52
        52 12 May 2014 16: 37
        +1
        And when did fascington care about all kinds of legality and legitimacy? I just can't understand one thing - in Gazprom, those hucksters are still snatchers, in a word, not weak guys. And if I personally look deeply at us ... to look at their dishonest grandmothers, then why are they still "rolling cotton wool", or did they not take the lessons of the dashing 90s? It's time to start "knocking out debt".
        1. Zeus
          Zeus 12 May 2014 17: 50
          +1
          And such that when choosing a legitimate president in the country that will be in place of the current Ukraine, they will have no one to ask anyone with a duty to. And no court recognizes the legitimacy of the IMF claims. Do not forget that the world is being reformatted. And the way everything worked before will not work in the future as well. To knock out debts at such a level is already the state level. Decisions are made by the President. In politics, besides immediate material gain, there are many other benefits.
  30. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 12 May 2014 11: 36
    +2
    The situation is difficult. But temporary workers in Kiev should understand that the attitude of the European Union towards an independent one depends on the resolution of the gas conflict. And the attitude towards them, temporary workers

    Thank God that the gas situation begins to be decided radically in the warm season, when the heating season is over - residents will suffer in the least possible way. Only enterprises consuming this gas will have problems.
    Yes, and Gay-rope has time to figure it out a bit - to solve the eternal problem "What to do with the Ruin, brazenly taking away gas intended for Central Europe."
  31. capex1
    capex1 12 May 2014 12: 08
    +3
    Yes, as our president said, "the people had the right to go to the Maidan and express their claims to their leaders," so the people came out and expressed, but what's the point. All this discontent was taken advantage of by the next yellow-bellied Russophobes, who finally finished off their country. Well, that's asking, People (Ukrainian) What are you doing? Are you crazy? Can't you see what your country has become? And these are just flowers, the berries will be after the elections (if they take place), but the "harvest" will be collected in the cold in winter (gas will be turned off for debts altogether). There is only one way out, brothers, take pitchforks, brooms and drive your rulers all the way to America, otherwise you will soon put your teeth on the shelf. And to Europe - friends homosexual buy boots, boots !!!
  32. Coltxnumx
    Coltxnumx 12 May 2014 12: 57
    +1
    Who does not dance, that b! Who does not dance ..... Here is a pancake in the winter and see who does not freeze, then !!!!!!
  33. Zeus
    Zeus 12 May 2014 13: 19
    0
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    The crane had to be closed immediately after the coup, and not contain the Banderofascist beast for free.


    Each coin has two sides. Without gas, the industry that supplies products to our defense industry will be stopped. This threatens us with a disruption in the timing of orders for weapons. For three and a half months, according to some individuals from the military-industrial complex, import substitution of the most important Ukrainian products is carried out.
  34. Zeus
    Zeus 12 May 2014 13: 35
    +3
    Quote: strannik595
    ........... I read somewhere that it is possible to supply gas to the Southeast through a bypass pipe ....... if this is true, then everything is very reasonable, why subsidize the agony of this regime?
  35. Zeus
    Zeus 12 May 2014 13: 39
    0
    Ukraine will now have to buy coal from the DPR)))
  36. Platov
    Platov 12 May 2014 13: 43
    +1
    Outskirts nation accustomed to a freebie for several generations, can not live without a freebie.
  37. ddd1975
    ddd1975 12 May 2014 14: 19
    +1
    We don’t need an alien, but we will take our love ....
  38. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 12 May 2014 14: 38
    0
    Quote: Michael m
    It is possible to block gas to Ukraine, only who will suffer from this? Without heat and energy there will remain enterprises and the population that regularly pay for this gas. To organize international pressure on the top of the junta, to act within the framework of treaties and international legislation - this is a normal solution to the problem. And I ask the cavalrymen to include their brains. The time to wave checkers has not come yet.

    Dear, first deal with the situation, the population pays for gas at $ 100 per thousand cubic meters, and Ruin buys from us for $ 480, the difference has always been dated from the state budget Ruins.
    For reference: I’m paying $ 130 per thousand cubic meters for gas in a house.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 May 2014 19: 55
      +1
      As far as I understand, the conversation was not about the price, but about the consequences of a complete cessation of gas supplies for "ordinary people" or "fraternal people" - as you like.
  39. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 12 May 2014 14: 50
    0
    Theft of transit gas will begin. And they definitely won’t pay for it.
  40. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 12 May 2014 14: 57
    0
    Beneficent west Evrokropov gave birth, they are now all there on the board, almost as a whole, they themselves will find the funds to pay off the debt and pay current payments. Ukraine and Europe. They will sort things out with themselves somehow.
  41. JonnyT
    JonnyT 12 May 2014 16: 08
    0
    the intrigue is this: will the EU pay for Ukrainian gas? After all, if it doesn’t, then it will remain without gas)))))
  42. Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 May 2014 16: 23
    -1
    Well, nothing - SLEEPY UKRAINE IN DEBT IN PERSONALITY and then BUY USE THERE!

    AND EUROPE START THINKING THAN IT WILL BE WINTER IN WINTER!
  43. yushch
    yushch 12 May 2014 16: 34
    +2
    Holy simplicity - "We cannot pay at this price." Pay in installments and negotiate. This is a proprietary way to carry negotiations in Krainski: money is hell)), and take out the gas and the discount. Here's how not to twist, a persistent feeling that yesterday's kindergarten graduates are trying to carry on negotiations from the other side))
    1. Evgeniy1
      Evgeniy1 12 May 2014 23: 19
      0
      not "kindergarten graduates", but very smart-ass ...
    2. Evgeniy1
      Evgeniy1 12 May 2014 23: 19
      0
      not "kindergarten graduates", but very smart-ass ...
  44. andrey903
    andrey903 12 May 2014 17: 52
    0
    They won’t pay at all, it’s a policy of freeloaders, proud ukrov
  45. wandlitz
    wandlitz 12 May 2014 18: 22
    0
    Presumably, the junta's brain hibernated from heat, but a good winter will awaken the mind.
  46. uzer 13
    uzer 13 12 May 2014 18: 36
    0
    The problem of unauthorized gas extraction is solved very simply - there is a backup pipe in the Nord Stream that can supply gas bypassing Ukraine. So far this has not happened because the Ukrainian pipe is used as an instrument of blackmail against Russia. It is necessary to help our European partners make the right decision .
  47. Chamber No. 6
    Chamber No. 6 12 May 2014 18: 53
    +2
    Not everything is as simple as the "marshals of the couch troops" see it ... According to the agreement on gas supplies to Europe, transit risks are borne by GAZPROM. Who will pay fines for Europe when Ukraine steals gas? Russia!
    1. Evgeniy1
      Evgeniy1 12 May 2014 23: 15
      0
      This, it seems, can be attributed to FORCE MAJEURE!
    2. Evgeniy1
      Evgeniy1 12 May 2014 23: 15
      0
      This, it seems, can be attributed to FORCE MAJEURE!
  48. AKKUL
    AKKUL 12 May 2014 19: 28
    0
    While the Nazis are in power, no gas for any money! It’s the same as during the Second World War to trade with Hitler
  49. resh
    resh 12 May 2014 19: 40
    0
    Sorry for the poor. Freeze in winter. And the fact that 80 km from Moscow villages are not gasified is not scary. From old women 2 years ago they took an advance payment for gas supply of 70 thousand rubles from the yard. Now they will not find who they gave - the company went bankrupt.
    1. okunevich_rv
      okunevich_rv 14 May 2014 05: 14
      0
      We also do not have a gas pipeline in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, all gas goes to Europe, but they all went, return the gas back to your homeland! It's time to take care of our own citizens.
      Gazprom is responsible for the fact that our citizens do not have the opportunity to use the resources obtained in our country. Europe does not need gas; millions of potential consumers are very good in the country. And Europeans will freeze over and let them go to hell, well, they will accuse Russia of COLD again, we are not cold.
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  50. Evgtan
    Evgtan 12 May 2014 19: 45
    0
    Lyakhi and suckers. A brief history of Ukraine

    - I don’t understand why Ukraine has ceased to be friends with Russia?
    - Well, how can I tell you - not paying friends for gas is somehow inconvenient, but pease ((the enemy has it.