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We are waiting for the referendum in the Donbass

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We are waiting for the referendum in the Donbass



According to the results of the press conference given in Moscow by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Swiss President (part-time OSCE Chairman) Didier Burkhalter.

The reaction to the meeting turned out to be more than original.

According to the patriotic public, everything is terrible. And the opinion of the Russian patriotic public coincides with the opinion of the Ukrainian patriotic public. Already this in itself should be alarming, because it is difficult to find people less adequate than Ukrainian patriots. But - emotions take their toll.

People are dying. And yesterday they died. And today are dying. And tomorrow, probably, will be. Odessa civilians, residents and militias of Donbass.

Strange is another. It was the Donbass militia that responded more calmly to everyone. They quietly promised to consider the request of the Russian president to postpone the referendum. Ask the people. Against the background, howling “aaaaa !!! Putin passed all !!!! ". And they asked. The result is known to all.

Didier Burkhalter came to Moscow to Putin. It was not Putin who was called to the OSCE, or was invited there, but they came to Putin. Like a bow to the king-father.

But he did not heed too much, and did not relent. Moreover, during the press conference, Putin directly accused the “western partners” of the fact that it was they who brought their cookies and sacrifices to the tragedy in Odessa.

And the President of Switzerland, the OSCE Chairman stood and listened. And did not mind. Did not mind, listened and stood. And listened. And he stood. There was clearly nothing to say.

Because he came to Moscow precisely because of what happened in Odessa. Because European politicians are not Russian patriotic bloggers, and, unlike Russian patriotic bloggers, they perfectly understand what can be expected from Putin.

And when Russia, after Odessa, did not make a loud verbose protest, but on the contrary, it calmed down, the Europeans understood correctly and quickly.

They understand that when Putin is silent, defiantly doing his urgent business (working with the governors, visiting the Olympics, visiting the Paralympics, laying wreaths, underline it), then anything can be expected.

Anything clearly scares.

And here the main European on safety flies to Moscow to say “no”.

And ours doesn’t say neither yes nor no, makes a generous offer, realizing that it’s likely to be refused. But - does.

Oddly enough, Yatsenyuk did not understand anything: “I was a little surprised that the question of Ukraine without Ukraine, without the United States was discussed in Moscow.”
Yeah, especially without the USA. The USA is an integral part of Europe, right? And it is not necessary to look at the card, it is well known. Or is Europe already a regular US state?

But - insulting. "They married me without me."

Great demonstration of the relationship to the junta. And the fact that Burkhalter did not meow even is also an indicator. Indicator that Europe is not able to control the Kiev rulers.

And everyone who is at least a little able to work with brains, is waiting for a referendum.

With the referendum is also not all easy. According to reports from there, the authorities of many settlements in the Donbass, especially small ones, are actively sabotaging the referendum. But the organizers do everything to resolve this issue.

Postponing the referendum makes sense only under one condition: if the junta ceases hostilities. Any sane person knows what the negative answer will be. Hope that together with dollars from the EEC will send the brain is not worth it. Europeans have a clear shortage of this business.

And postpone the holding is not worth it. It may happen that there will be no one to hold it. It is clear that the junta rushes to the British flag in order to “roll out” dissenters BEFORE 11 in May. And Putin understood that perfectly. But made this offer. As a bone evrosobake threw. And all the smart people understood everything correctly. And fools - no pity.

We are waiting for 11 May, we are waiting for what will happen next. Calmly, and without hysteria.
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  1. fregina1
    fregina1 10 May 2014 09: 05
    +57
    I think Putin called the lads in Donetsk and said: "Guys, let's go ahead, we will support you! And the fact that they showed on TV is Putin's Games for freaks in the West!
    1. Petr1
      Petr1 10 May 2014 10: 19
      +16
      You think everything right, the main thing is to hold a referendum for independence. And there already it is possible to help officially according to international standards, as soon as they can carry it out under such conditions?
      1. kare
        kare 10 May 2014 22: 10
        +9
        “For too long they have been hoping for a“ peaceful bloodless resistance. ” It was hoped that "will pass by." Here is the result. It's hard to watch. There are probably hundreds of armed hunters in the city. And the crowd - not a single gun. They are shot like cattle, and they only scream. 23 years without war ... "

        And he mentioned that the population of Mariupol is 4 times larger than Slavyansk! This is the question of self-defense.

        Nevertheless, when asked about help to Mariupol, Igor Ivanovich answered this way: “It is too far from us ... But he sent our Gorlovka company to help.

        Regarding the Grad:

        “Unfortunately, this information is not true.”

        Yesterday, Igor Ivanovich wrote the following: “We still have quiet. They are getting ready. Pull the troops closer. Arrange artillery, pull attack aircraft to nearby airfields. In the meantime, “equate" Mariupol - there is no one there, in general, to resist. "

        And now for today's information. Very important. And serious.

        10 May 19 hours 00 minutes in Moscow.

        “In the area of ​​the Feed mill (this is about 2 km north of the outskirts of Slavyansk) - 50 (!) Ambulances. Stand in rows behind a forest plantation. On some, the outskirts are already being explored. Several “hail” batteries are in place. Approximately 7 – 8 batteries of howitzers and D-30 hasty burst into the ground ...

        Well, the scenery is arranged, extras in places. Now all that remains is to wait on the city streets for the crowds completely stunned by crazy fear and indiscriminately shooting the "National Guard", diluted with no less stunned paratroopers and commandos. And tanks, and armored personnel carriers, and infantry fighting vehicles ... Many ... dozens of vehicles. “Drying” will hit from above (turntables are unlikely to dare to appear). Creepy picture ...

        We are becoming stronger. Weapons were massively taken by men “far beyond 40”. It remains only to wait. If the junta does not attack tomorrow, it will sign in complete impotence. To allow a referendum in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk (under which the main forces stand) - actually means to agree to surrender. ”

        So ... You see how important tomorrow is! Tomorrow a referendum is crucial for the entire Donbass! After the events in Mariupol, Odessa, the junta showed its face! The whole Donbass wants to express their opinion in this referendum! And there are very good chances that the junta could strike primarily in Slavyansk!

        I urge believing brothers and sisters around the world to pray for the warrior Igor and his squad!

        And I urge the men of Donbass to listen to the opinion of Igor Ivanovich!

        But Colonel Strelkov is not discouraged! He is a professional! He works! He professionally prepares Slavyansk for defense! And Igor Ivanovich would not be Igor Ivanovich if he had not prepared VERY many surprises for the attackers!
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    3. ZU-23
      ZU-23 10 May 2014 11: 26
      0
      Quote: fregina1
      I think Putin called the lads in Donetsk and said: "Guys, let's go ahead, we will support you! And the fact that they showed on TV is Putin's Games for freaks in the West!

      It seems like so, but there are pluses to postponing the referendum, that it will once again indicate that the presidential election will be illegitimate without a whole region, this will give a great right to a referendum, since no one has listened to their opinion, but early Yanyk himself signed the election, so it's legal. Putin wouldn’t play words so cheaply, for too simple a hoax smile Then see how the new president begins his career, also with the killing of his people or with a dialogue on the referendum.
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    5. kingnothing
      kingnothing 10 May 2014 12: 06
      +29
      A little wrong, you understand.
      Putin said the referendum should be postponed for the geyropeyskih allies. The whole world heard that RUSSIA for the transfer of the referendum. But our brothers from Novorossiya did not suffer anything and did the right thing. It’s just that if there was a transfer, the media would ring out that RUSSIA is driving there. And if they refused, then RUSSIA’s hands are not there! USA bites its elbows again ...
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 10 May 2014 12: 29
        +2
        Quote: kingnothing
        A little wrong, you understand.

        The fact of the matter is that this logic is too simple, which you are talking about when you heard it from Putin’s lips and also thought exactly the same way, but if you start sorting through everything in your head, that is, the pluses from the referendum transfer, since there are no minuses, because what the difference is that now the junta will kill people and what later. But the Donetsk Republic will decide whether it will finally leave Ukraine or live in federal Ukraine, just as Abkhazia withdrew from Georgia, thereby we will know whether we will defend a separate republic with our troops or send troops to Ukraine, and this is a big difference for the world public including the geyropu you mentioned.
        1. kingnothing
          kingnothing 10 May 2014 12: 56
          +1
          Well, a referendum with a positive response in favor of federation or independence will untie RUSSIA’s hands to send troops, but not RUSSIAN but peacekeeping. And the most important thing is that they would include not only our guys, but also geyropetsi. Since they will shoot at peacekeepers, even if not only at ours, then the media will have nowhere to go - they will print, speak and show the truth about ONE-ONE.
          1. ZU-23
            ZU-23 10 May 2014 13: 04
            +4
            Quote: kingnothing
            Well, a referendum with a positive response in favor of federation or independence will untie RUSSIA’s hands to send troops, but not RUSSIAN but peacekeeping

            Ha, Russia either introduces peacekeeping troops with the consent of the UN, which cannot be at the UN vote, Or it is already bringing in real troops, in any other way.
            1. GradusHuK
              GradusHuK 10 May 2014 17: 53
              +5
              America has long trampled international law. And it has been shown to everyone that who is stronger is right. Winners are not judged.
              1. tux
                tux 10 May 2014 19: 07
                +2
                Golden words!
                1. ssskalinin
                  ssskalinin 10 May 2014 22: 33
                  +1
                  Are you ready to go to Donbass tomorrow?
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        2. g1v2
          g1v2 10 May 2014 15: 50
          +2
          In addition, they are unlikely to have time to do everything clearly. Hunters control part of the territory of Donbas, they won’t be able to vote. There will be no international observers, and most likely no one will recognize the referendum, unlike the Crimean one, where everything was smooth and clear. I think if they had postponed it, we could have done everything at the highest level as well. But of course, if they had transferred it, they would have been accused that they are controlled by the GDP. There are both pros and cons in both cases, therefore, as the people decided, let it be so. All the same, this is their home and their fate, and they decide.
          1. ZU-23
            ZU-23 10 May 2014 16: 19
            +2
            Quote: g1v2
            In addition, they are unlikely to have time to do everything clearly. Hunters control part of the territory of Donbas, they won’t be able to vote. There will be no international observers, and most likely no one will recognize the referendum, unlike the Crimean one, where everything was smooth and clear. I think if they had postponed it, we could have done everything at the highest level as well. But of course, if they had transferred it, they would have been accused that they are controlled by the GDP. There are both pros and cons in both cases, therefore, as the people decided, let it be so. All the same, this is their home and their fate, and they decide.

            Yes, there they’re being presented to them from all over the world, the militia simply don’t recognize the junta, but they must at least follow the persuasion of the still legitimate president Yanyk, since they want to do everything rightfully, and in truth Yanyk agreed to the elections in May, so they generally come out against the whole West, against the junta, against the yanyk and against the advice of Putin, but they can, therefore, only they will be a separate republic neither in Russia nor in Ukraine. And who in the end will buy resources from them, they will impose sanctions and that’s all, but with us and in bulk their coal))). And take them to Russia, just like after the Crimea, the whole world will boil. let's see in general. We won’t leave them in trouble.
            1. elegala
              elegala 10 May 2014 22: 55
              +2
              You are mistaken, Yanukovych agreed to the elections in December, according to the signed document on February 21, after which he was merged
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        3. ssskalinin
          ssskalinin 10 May 2014 22: 32
          0
          Unfortunately, I read it now. I studied the constitution of Ukraine from the point of view of Ukrainian law, the referendum will not be legitimate
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          2. siberalt
            siberalt 11 May 2014 07: 59
            +1
            In addition to the Constitution of Ukraine, there is also an international right to the self-determination of peoples through direct expression of will. In the same Ukrainian constitution there is a provision establishing the priority of international law over national law. Precedents are available.
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      3. CreepyUknow
        CreepyUknow 10 May 2014 12: 42
        0
        Well done, bullseye!
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      5. ZU-23
        ZU-23 10 May 2014 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: kingnothing
        Putin said referendum should be postponed for geyropeyskih allies

        We need to follow Putin to think, because he with a serious face did not deceive anyone, the whole world is already hoping for this. he either has a joke with a smile, or he directly says I doubt it. Do you really think that we are so smart on the forum and the stupid European Union does not understand this, it’s strange. Or do you think that the Republic of Donetsk after the referendum will live in Ukraine by itself and according to its own rules, there must also be the consent of Kiev, or then an independent referendum and life without Ukraine.
    6. Ulus5
      Ulus5 10 May 2014 19: 38
      0
      Quote: fregina1
      I think Putin called the guys in Donetsk and said: "Guys, let's take you ahead,

      I think Putin didn’t have to ring, the Donchans and Luganchans understood him even without a call.
    7. mvv
      mvv 11 May 2014 00: 13
      0
      everything is much simpler. Putin showed the fascists from Kiev, Brussels and Washington with whom it was necessary to agree on all kinds of referenda, languages, and generally the entire conflict in the Donbas. That is, he considers the governments of the LPR and the DPR equal to Kiev. And I made it clear that he won’t decide anything on his own - everything is decided in Donetsk and Lugansk. And he will support them, with all he can. After all, the Kremlin (except Lavrov) did not officially meet with any of the junta, and here the open recognition of the new government in the Donbass.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 11 May 2014 05: 07
        0
        Novel. hi
        Once again I applaud while standing.
  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz 10 May 2014 09: 09
    +40
    The process has begun. At this pace, soon, we’ll reach Constantinople laughing
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 10 May 2014 10: 04
      +2
      Why trifles then it is already necessary to go to the USA !!! laughing
    2. Anastasios
      Anastasios 10 May 2014 10: 30
      +42
      Ukrainians bought a supercomputer in the USA. They brought it to Ukraine, collected it, turned it on, asked the question:
      - Who will be the president of Ukraine in 2020?
      The computer thought, thought for a week, then gave the answer:
      - Which Ukraine?
    3. mamont5
      mamont5 10 May 2014 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      The process has begun. At this pace, soon, we’ll reach laughing at Constantinople.


      And what, how many applications for a branch are already in Europe. They will be very happy.
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 10 May 2014 15: 51
      +1
      Already pass.
  3. Barsikof
    Barsikof 10 May 2014 09: 11
    +8
    live to see tomorrow and see .....
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 10 May 2014 11: 42
      +4
      Quote: Barsikof
      live to see tomorrow and see .....


      Donetsk militias told when they lay down their arms

      Donetsk militias have pledged to disarm after the May 11 referendum. This was stated at a rally on the occasion of Victory Day, co-chairman of the Donetsk People's Republic Alexander Khryakov. "Immediately after the referendum, we stop fighting and transfer all work to the political plane," he assured. We will remind, the protesters in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions announced the holding of referendums on the autonomy of the regions on May 11.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-145185.html
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 May 2014 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Donetsk militias promised to disarm after a referendum on May 11

        Nobody will disarm, this is understandable. They will immediately create the type of armed forces of Donbass.
        By the way, in what other cities will a referendum be held (if it takes place) Donetsk is far from the whole Donbass
        1. Don
          Don 11 May 2014 12: 30
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Nobody will disarm, this is understandable. They will immediately create the type of armed forces of Donbass.
          By the way, in what other cities will a referendum be held (if it takes place) Donetsk is far from the whole Donbass

          The referendum is now taking place in all cities and villages of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
      2. elegala
        elegala 10 May 2014 23: 02
        0
        I only wonder how the juntos will "allow" them to do this, will they also throw away their weapons and say: hurray, peace-friendship-chewing gum?
  4. Rusin Dima
    Rusin Dima 10 May 2014 09: 16
    +15
    I think the Ukrainian troops are not in vain accumulating, most likely also preparing for the 11th
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 10 May 2014 11: 46
      +15
      Quote: Rusin Dima
      I think the Ukrainian troops are not in vain accumulating, most likely also preparing for the 11th


      A train with Ukrainian soldiers was carried out by the Nazi march laughing wassat wink

      At the Verkhovtsevo railway station, located in the Dnepropetrovsk region, when a military train with Ukrainian servicemen and equipment moved on after a planned stop at the station, the militias turned on the accompanying music - one of the famous Nazi marches. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense. The press service of the Ministry of Defense said that "using the fundamental principles of Goebbels propaganda, the purpose of which is to discredit the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to reduce the morale of our servicemen, they (the militia - Polemika) do not shun anything."
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-145173.html
      XXXX
      But now the soldiers know exactly HOW do the residents relate to them, who, although they have not come out with protests (yet), have expressed their opinion! So let them think while they are going, what awaits them !!! fellow
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 May 2014 11: 57
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        militias included accompanying music - one of the famous Nazi marches. This was reported in the press service of the Ministry of Defense

        Mozhkt, were they also in the SS form?
      2. vedross
        vedross 10 May 2014 12: 32
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        one of the famous Nazi marches

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz4uwY_d9Mk
        1. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 10 May 2014 17: 48
          0
          Quote: vedross
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz4uwY_d9Mk
          The Horst-Wessel-Lied however ...
  5. mig31
    mig31 10 May 2014 09: 22
    +12
    The junta left no choice for anyone, so there is only one choice - freedom or ...
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 10 May 2014 15: 20
      +1
      But freedom must be fought. The junta considers the Southeast slaves and will never voluntarily release slaves to freedom. And the pleas of the slaves that they are unarmed, therefore, they do not need to be shot, they only provoke the fascist junta.
      Only that revolution is worth anything if it can defend itself.
      1. Walking
        Walking 10 May 2014 19: 33
        +2
        And while in the Southeast, the majority will sit at home and wait for someone to win and they will be slaves.
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  6. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 10 May 2014 09: 26
    +2
    Quote: Rusin Dima
    I think the Ukrainian troops are not in vain accumulating, most likely also preparing for the 11th

    What can the amusing regiments of Ukraine do against the Russian army !?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 10 May 2014 09: 31
      +1
      The Russian army is not there yet, I hope only for now ...
  7. uzer 13
    uzer 13 10 May 2014 09: 30
    +15
    After the referendum, it will be possible to legally introduce the Russian peacekeeping contingent. This is what they fear in Kiev, as continuing their policy of using weapons against the population will be tantamount to declaring war. Of course, they will make every effort to prevent the referendum from taking place.
    1. PACIFIST
      PACIFIST 10 May 2014 15: 35
      0
      UN peacekeeping contingent leads is that something will change ???? not only Russia can lead the peacekeeping contingent. Here Kiev is probably pulling time for the elections, then to lead the UN peacekeeping contingent and it will not be yours not ours
  8. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 10 May 2014 09: 31
    +6
    All the same, it seems to me that the last word will be for Russia, and this word will comply with the laws as much as possible (a referendum is needed for this), although if our president is lying afraid of some kind of NATO aggression and sanctions, I would be afraid that Crimea would not be ours! And yet, Putin, behaves like a real FSB specialist, is silent, listens, draws his conclusions, acts! Now he acts as a special agent of the planet!
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 May 2014 11: 59
      -21%
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      All the same, it seems to me that the last word will be with Russia, and this word will comply with the laws as much as possible (this requires a referendum),

      The same referendum was held in 1992 in Tatarstan and the people said YES (Tatarstan is a separate state)
      22 May was adopted by the Supreme Council on the status of Tatarstan as a sovereign state.
      November 30, 1992 introduced a new Constitution of the Republic of Tatarstan, declaring it a sovereign state [5].
      On April 19, 2001, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation recognized the provisions on the sovereignty of Tatarstan as inconsistent with the Constitution of the Russian Federation. On April 19, 2002, the State Council of Tatarstan adopted a new version of the Constitution of the Republic, brought into line with the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

      It’s strange. for some reason. which is unlawful in Russia. should be legal in Ukraine?
      1. gandalf
        gandalf 10 May 2014 12: 58
        +13
        Because in Russia the constitution has acted and is valid, but in Ukraine it doesn’t.
      2. Colonel
        Colonel 10 May 2014 13: 07
        +13
        Quote: atalef
        The same referendum was held in 1992

        Do you want to say that from 1992 to 2002 Tatarstan, as a separate state, fought against the "occupiers" for its "independence" and lost? Why not remember the Republic of Ichkeria? Its "democracy" was strangled by tanks. You are a cheap provocateur, sir. You don't care about the fate of your fellow tribesmen in Ukraine, the main thing is to spit in the direction of Russia.
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 May 2014 15: 07
          -17%
          Quote: colonel
          You want to say that from 1992 to 2002, Tatarstan, as a separate state, fought against the "occupiers" for its "independence" and lost?

          No, I just said everything. that a referendum was held in Tatarstan in 1992 (absolutely legal and not at gunpoint or with some kind of military action) and here it is. in an absolutely calm environment with a high turnout of the population. Tatarstan residents voted for Tatarstan as a separate state (in general, the issue at the rkferendum is absolutely identical to that in Donetsk) --- but the constitutional court of the Russian Federation recognized it as not legal.
          That's all.
          Just weird. that. which is illegal in Russia itself, for some reason it must be legal in Ukraine.

          Quote: colonel
          Why not remember the Republic of Ichkeria?

          Ichkeria can also remember the same, but this is not correct, because There was no referendum in Ichkeria and no one knows. what the people really thought. In Tatarstan, the referendum was held.
          Quote: colonel
          You are a cheap provocateur sir.

          Well it is clear . when it’s hard to answer, why not call a provocateur
          laughing Well this does not fit with the general picture of world justice (coming from the Russian Federation) and the prevalence of the will of the people over the laws of the state

          Quote: colonel
          the main thing is to spit in the direction of Russia.

          belay Spit? What nonsense. Just the facts.
          1. Colonel
            Colonel 10 May 2014 16: 01
            +10
            Quote: atalef
            general picture of global justice (coming from Russia)

            Oppanki, but this is from the heart. About global justice. Where are we in Russia. Whether it is the case in Israel or the United States, justice is rushing, even lazy to cite examples.
            What was it difficult for me to answer? on your quirk about the referendum in Tatarstan ??? You, judging by some comments, are not a stupid person. So much the worse for you. I don’t know where you were in 1992 and what CNN told you about the results of this referendum, but I was in Russia and among my colleagues there were many Tatars (including direct bosses) and I perfectly remember their attitude to Yeltsin’s "take how much sovereignty you can take away. " Russia in 1992 and Ukraine in 2014 are two big differences (Odessa proverb), but you lipidrically put two situations side by side and talk about
            the prevalence of the will of the people over the laws of the state
            . Therefore, he called you a provocateur. A lover of facts, damn it.
          2. AAA
            AAA 10 May 2014 17: 47
            +10
            Dear atalef, I looked at the decision of the Constitutional Court on this issue - the results of the referendum were invalidated because the questions raised in it did not correspond, including ..... the declaration of sovereignty of Tatarstan.
            The fact is that it stipulated the sovereignty of the republic on all issues on its territory, but remains part of the RSFSR and the USSR. The questions raised at the referendum are correct only if Tatarstan declared its independence, otherwise the results of the Declaration and referendum contradict each other - according to the Declaration, Tatarstan remains a part of Russia, by referendum it is assumed that it is an independent state.
            It is for this reason that a few days before the referendum in Crimea, the Declaration of Independence from Ukraine was adopted, which made it possible to hold a referendum with these questions - only an independent republic can decide whether to join it in Russia or Ukraine, and on what rights.
          3. GradusHuK
            GradusHuK 10 May 2014 18: 03
            +3
            And the USSR was legally divided?
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      4. Sosed_26
        Sosed_26 10 May 2014 13: 55
        +9
        You better remember how you got Israel !!! And then talk about Ukraine and Tatarstan
      5. woron333444
        woron333444 10 May 2014 14: 43
        +8
        Oh, and you are lying. Tatarstan immediately went a republic within Russia
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 May 2014 15: 09
          -11%
          Quote: woron333444
          Oh, and you are lying. Tatarstan immediately went a republic within Russia

          And. what ? Therefore, he did not have the right to hold a referendum?
          those. if it is a republic within the Russian Federation, is it forbidden to hold referenda?
          Read the laws of the Russian Federation, as well as the law on the referendum.
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 10 May 2014 21: 26
            +2
            Have you been to Russia yourself? Or are all your exercises the fruit of "free media"?
      6. atalef
        atalef 10 May 2014 14: 57
        -5
        Quote: gandalf
        Because in Russia the constitution has acted and is valid, but in Ukraine it doesn’t.

        that is, you want to say that under the current constitution (as in the Russian Federation) the will of the people in the form of a referendum is not legal?
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 10 May 2014 16: 20
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          You want to say that under the current constitution (as in the Russian Federation) the will of the people in the form of a referendum is not legal?

          No, he just said that if the constitution were in force in Ukraine, then the matter would not have come to a referendum.
        2. Baikal
          Baikal 10 May 2014 18: 21
          +9
          The question of Tatarstan really seems to be a double standard.
          It remains a little. Convince that it really was the way you say.
          And for this:
          1. The population of Tatarstan at the time of the referendum.
          2. Number of% voted on item 1.
          3. Include the remnants of the brain and think about how you can talk about some departments almost in the center of Russia.
          4. THE MAIN THING! It is always worth remembering those who benefit from the division of Russia. And who in the 90's rubbed his hands and, swallowing in anticipation of drooling, carefully divided the skin of a bear.
          They were going to divide Russia. It didn’t work out.
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          2. Kazanec
            Kazanec 10 May 2014 21: 59
            +5
            I remember this referendum, although I didn’t participate in age, my father and relatives all said that separation from the Russian Federation was utter stupidity, where should it be separated ?! :)))) In our country, even then, the situation was incomparable with Chechnya and Ukraine . And there wasn’t much noise, my mom just clarified, everything went quietly.
      7. Erg
        Erg 10 May 2014 15: 27
        +1
        In Ukraine, force majeure. Did people shoot in Tatarstan?
      8. AAA
        AAA 10 May 2014 17: 35
        +12
        Dear atalef, all that is written on Wikipedia, the inhabitants of Russia do not know by hearsay, and not on Wikipedia.
        All this happened before our eyes, and in a slightly different way than described in Wikipedia and your article.
        For example, you forgot to tell that at that time demonstrations with slogans took place in Tatarstan
        "We mourn for the Tatars killed by the troops of Ivan the Terrible during the storming of Kazan."
        You also forgot to say that at the same time, some members of the TOC (they are alive, alive, and at large now) put forward a slogan that Irina Farion from Ukraine would envy with black envy - about the need to kill all children born in mixed Russian-Tatar marriages , and the punishment of anyone who has entered into such marriages.
        And you think that everything that you mentioned would be good for Tatarstan, in which the percentage of such marriages is very large?
        In addition, you forgot to indicate that not the entire population of the Republic participated in the Tatarstan referendum, but only the Tatar one, and therefore the percentage of those who voted and voted for the secession of Tatarstan absolutely did not correspond to reality. That is why Shaimiev, who was a smart enough person, did not pedal.
      9. ultra
        ultra 10 May 2014 20: 37
        +2
        On April 19, 2001, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation recognized the provisions on the sovereignty of Tatarstan as inconsistent with the Constitution of the Russian Federation. On April 19, 2002, the State Council of Tatarstan adopted a new version of the Constitution of the Republic, brought into line with the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And no one brought troops into the streets of cities and villages of Tatarstan and did not shoot at people!
      10. dzau
        dzau 10 May 2014 21: 31
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        The same referendum was held in 1992 in Tatarstan and the people said YES (Tatarstan is a separate state)

        It’s strange. for some reason. which is unlawful in Russia. must be legal in Ukraine

        In fact, when Russia was torn to pieces, how was it so with Tatarstan?

        Uv., For you the following question (if you are able, of course, to honestly answer): did the Russian Federation during the collapse of the union and the subsequent (before the strengthening of the notorious "Putin's vertical") have full-fledged sovereignty?

        I’ll even help: if it did, how could a sovereign state allow itself to be dismembered to such an extent that the territories “rolled back” to the Middle Ages, and the population decreased by about a third? In general, it did not oppose this in any way.

        If you didn’t possess: to whom do you ask this question?

        And in both cases, the logical chain should be continued: the former Ukrainian SSR is historically and de facto part of Russia. Those. primordially Russian territories inhabited by Russian people. Artificially "cut off" from the territory of the state at a time when territorially everything that could be cut off was cut off.

        Accordingly, we can completely agree with you: the territorial "disintegration" of countries is evil. But what about, dear friend, in the case of the absorption of those "countries" - whose existence is solely conditioned - by a similar process in the recent past? The side that was "disintegrated" before?

        Maybe let's call a spade a spade: reunion? Not the first, by the way, in the history of this country.
      11. Aleksandr1981
        Aleksandr1981 11 May 2014 06: 25
        0
        The fact is that Tatarstan has no borders with other states except Russia. Therefore, they cannot be independent ........
    2. Erg
      Erg 10 May 2014 15: 24
      +1
      I think that many Nazi scum are already on the pencil at the relevant services. Day is drawing near ...
      1. Kazanec
        Kazanec 10 May 2014 22: 06
        0
        I sincerely hope so!
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 10 May 2014 09: 32
    +1
    I still don’t understand. Is this a referendum on secession from Ukraine and becoming an independent state? Or just something like the Autonomous Republic? In the second case, in my opinion, radish horseradish is not sweeter, the junta, as it was in Kiev, will continue to sit, and even this farce called the Ukrainian elections, which will only exacerbate the split and chaos in the country.
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 10 May 2014 11: 26
      +4
      Quote: Standard Oil
      I still don’t understand. Is this a referendum on secession from Ukraine and becoming an independent state? Or is it just something like the Autonomous Republic?

      Full sovereignty. Good luck.
  10. Sharky
    Sharky 10 May 2014 09: 34
    +2
    Tomorrow it will become clear what percentage of the population is against the junta, and what kind of! And then, while it’s somehow not clear ... sad
  11. Berkut-UA
    Berkut-UA 10 May 2014 09: 40
    +7
    There can be provocations both 11 and before 25

    No wonder 200 sets of uniforms were brought
    They will change their nationalist guards and bleed again ...
  12. ed65b
    ed65b 10 May 2014 09: 42
    +3
    True or not, but it seems that from the new armored personnel carriers presented to the army by Yaytsenyukh one is already at the militia. Grad 2 installations were captured along with soldiers and an officer. But something quite a lot of equipment pulled Dill to Slavyansk. They couldn’t get to Donbas any day. Now the main thing is to hold a referendum where possible to the maximum. One thing is not clear to me why the prisoners of the National Guard are released nowhere to be kept? a great opportunity to filter the composition for detecting war crimes with subsequent documentation, confessions, etc. etc. although there are no forces for protection and means for maintenance. and the control of the territory is small.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 10 May 2014 15: 54
      0
      Only charges to degrees, not the grad itself.
    2. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 10 May 2014 17: 58
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      The castle 2 installations were captured along with the soldiers and the officer.
      Yesterday, a representative of the People’s Militia Command of the DPR declared that it was a death and provocation so that the Bandera could use the MLRS with impunity to shell Slavyansk !!!
  13. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 10 May 2014 09: 42
    +9
    Strange as it may seem, Yatsenyuk didn’t understand anything: “I was a little surprised that Moscow is discussing the issue of Ukraine without Ukraine, without the USA.” - He just has a gift from his older brother - the US globe, on which Ukraine is their state.
    1. Name
      Name 10 May 2014 10: 31
      +7
      Quote: zulusuluz
      USA globe on which Ukraine is their state.

      Nah, just a sub-base. repeat
  14. Dejavu
    Dejavu 10 May 2014 10: 13
    +4
    I didn’t enter either at first. Then after analyzing everything and everything came to the same thoughts as in the article. Only it’s not even a bone, it’s rather done for the story.
    "After all, I called on them not to conduct them, but the people decided everything themselves. Here it is, pure democracy!"

    And so yes, most likely he said to the guys from Donbass, "Guys, tomorrow you don't watch TV at all, okay? I'll carry all kinds of crap there, but it's not for your ears."
  15. Name
    Name 10 May 2014 10: 27
    +2
    Calmly and without tantrums we are waiting, sir, when they will ask to stop the right-sector "locust" from invading the EU.
  16. Artem1967
    Artem1967 10 May 2014 10: 30
    +7
    And when Russia, after Odessa, did not make a loud verbose protest, but on the contrary, it calmed down, the Europeans understood correctly and quickly.

    It was a wild, inhuman pain in the heart, empathy and the understanding that the time of words was over! Then there will be only actions to destroy all those involved in the Odessa massacre.
    The referendum will be held in the Donbass and the Luhansk region, Russia will get a clear picture of the popular will and the opportunity to act in the interests of protecting it from Kiev dole - beau.
    What Putin said after meeting with the OSCE chairman: the clever will understand, the stupid is not given.
  17. Asketxnumx
    Asketxnumx 10 May 2014 10: 33
    +8
    I also did not enter at first. Until recently, I thought that classical chess was the richest combination game. It turns out that Putin’s chess is MUCH MUCH more complicated and richer in possible options for achieving victory.
  18. Vrvarius
    Vrvarius 10 May 2014 10: 56
    +4
    in the morning I corresponded with a classmate from Zuhres, asked about the referendum, whether it would go, answered positively and added: "The main thing is that it should change something, otherwise it is hard to believe." so I'm worried about this, but I support everyone as best I can. there is no other option.
  19. doc62
    doc62 10 May 2014 11: 07
    +1
    that's right. our armored train is on the siding
  20. Strashila
    Strashila 10 May 2014 11: 13
    +1
    Coal of Donbass = Gas Russia for Ukraine ... Western regions scream about its high cost does not understand its significance in the economy of Ukraine.
  21. Russ69
    Russ69 10 May 2014 11: 18
    +1
    The result of the referendum is predictable, in principle.
    But with the turnout, the question so far, as with the organization, especially in the villages, villages ...
  22. Vanya2013F
    Vanya2013F 10 May 2014 11: 23
    +1
    As long as the United States is hegemonic, the world will always be on the verge of catastrophe. The United States needs to be drowned immediately and better by the whole world. This must be understood. But these mongrel dumbheads from Europe do not understand.
  23. delfinN
    delfinN 10 May 2014 11: 30
    +2
    Oddly enough, Yatsenyuk did not understand anything: “I was a little surprised that the question of Ukraine without Ukraine, without the United States was discussed in Moscow.”

    The puffy and useless attempt of a dill junten to behave as a subject. They agree about you, about your carcass and your screech is not of interest to the high contracting parties.
  24. Naval
    Naval 10 May 2014 11: 30
    +28
    Such marriage announcements in Slavyansk, of course, are a joke, but it tells what result will be in the referendum.
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 10 May 2014 18: 20
      +4
      Quote: Naval
      Such marriage announcements in Slavyansk, of course, are a joke, but it tells what result will be in the referendum.
      Well done guys, do not lose their sense of humor !!!!
  25. delfinN
    delfinN 10 May 2014 11: 36
    +4
    As the Chronicler Nestor narrates:
    Zelo was marvelous at the capital city of Kiev.
    To that beauty, to that holy place
    The Khazar Khaganate was presented.
    Smolens people in our homeland.
    - Pay tribute! - The Khazars speak.
    Russia gave them a little undermined by smoke,
    Red-hot in battles two-blade sword.
    The Khazar leader took the damask Russian sword,
    He brought his advisers to court.
    And, as if over an unsolved puzzle,
    The elders thought about him.
    And so rekli: - At our saber terrible
    The blade is accurate on one side,
    And the Slavic sword is double-edged! ..
    We are afraid of the wrath of this severe country!
    Pagan Russia steel power
    She swept away those who were threatening us.
    As Nestor writes, the way it was.
    And here you cannot cross out a word.
  26. mamont5
    mamont5 10 May 2014 12: 02
    +5
    "It was the Donbass militia that reacted more calmly than anyone else. They calmly promised to consider the request of the President of Russia to postpone the referendum. Ask the people."

    It seems that they simply demonstrated their independence. They gave an extra excuse for GDP and untied his hands.
    But the junta, as usual, did not understand anything and, once again, framed Obama.
  27. Gray 43
    Gray 43 10 May 2014 12: 08
    +2
    Why won't the South East unite? Kharkiv has already moved back, where is the textbook "brotherhood in partnership"? During the confrontation, it was possible to work out the goals of the struggle and rally around a single leader, as in Syria. From the latest news, I understood where Avakov found the Chechens - the Vostok battalion arrived to the anti-fascists and it does not matter that it is not from Chechnya, the baton of idiocy was picked up by a colleague from chamber Yatsenyuk, who announced that the Russian Armed Forces have a uniform in which the soldiers are invisible, they are definitely growing something fun in the gardens of the Maidan
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 10 May 2014 18: 27
      0
      Quote: Gray 43
      something fun in the gardens of Maidan grown
      They say that Ukrainian scientists created synthetic cannabis in the secret laboratories of the Maidan, hidden at great depths under Khreshchatyk. The result is already visible!
  28. Sharikov
    Sharikov 10 May 2014 12: 22
    +14
    In addition to the Cossacks who drove through the leaky Ukrainian border, information was confirmed that a detachment of volunteers from South Ossetia, called "South", had traveled.

  29. Mestny
    Mestny 10 May 2014 12: 26
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    It’s strange. for some reason. which is unlawful in Russia. should be legal in Ukraine?

    Because Russia is so profitable.
    So see?
  30. Wels75
    Wels75 10 May 2014 12: 26
    +1
    Everything goes according to plan (E. Letov)
    According to a plan that is not known to everyone)))
    Let the majority think as they want.
    We look forward to May 11 with the hope of a change for the better.
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    1. ARS56
      ARS56 10 May 2014 16: 11
      +1
      This is the modern Ukrainian anthem, apparently, since in the previous anthem the question "has not Ukraine died yet?" the junta has already responded positively. It's disgusting to listen to, there is a desire to clear the territory.
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    3. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 10 May 2014 18: 30
      0
      Quote: vedross
      vedross
      Well, why the hell did you post this abomination here?
      1. vedross
        vedross 10 May 2014 23: 25
        0
        It is necessary to read the comments above, so that it would be clear why ... When leaving from the railway stations of the composition with Ukrainian servicemen, citizens, mocking them, staged this Nazi march so that they could feel who they really are. I understand now why?
  32. Nirag013
    Nirag013 10 May 2014 13: 24
    0
    Quote: ZU-23
    Then see how the new president begins his career, also with the killing of his people or with a dialogue on the referendum.

    A dialogue on a referendum for the newly elected president would be political (and maybe not only political) suicide! Against the background of the demands of the PS and others to "roll the separatists into asphalt," the president will not be able to conduct any negotiations a priori. And no one will let him do it! So, don't even hope! The newly elected president will not be able to change anything, but he just DOES NOT WANT! Think for yourself who is the most likely candidate for this post in this "Svidomo" Ukrainian madhouse.
  33. uzer 13
    uzer 13 10 May 2014 13: 51
    +3
    I hope that the people will wake up and make the right choice. Many people no longer believe that the Kiev regime will lead to an improvement in their lives.
  34. tnship2
    tnship2 10 May 2014 14: 08
    0
    We’ll find out all the details only in .... suites. Big politics in the kitchen in underpants for a glass of tea is not done. It’s probably right. Yes, Americans can spread hemorrhoids on a universal scale. marching around the world like a flu stamp. Let them pay now for a deceived girl called Ukraine.
  35. Lelek
    Lelek 10 May 2014 15: 05
    +6
    Yes, Pisya was very upset that the decision in Moscow was made without the participation of the United States (the state of which the Kiev mosquito considers itself). But, as the Italians say: "it is not enough to want, you need to stand." bully
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  37. Dave36
    Dave36 10 May 2014 15: 35
    +5
    I will fully support the author of the article. Remember how the head Chekist Dzerzhinsky has a head about it ... it must be cold ... Our leader is a Chekist at its best .. and acts according to the culture of a scout. Russia, unlike an obese gay Europe, has not come out of a state of war for a century and a half .. We know how to fight .. and the worst thing for Europe is love ... we love with all our heart, although we fight as noble as possible ... What after the referendum ?? ... I think in Russia ... we’ll see here. When in Odessa people were burned and killed ... the heart sank. Our leader sank no less .. He strangles them .. who they are .. for those who live on this planet, why not ...
    Then they will remember their words ... about NO BROTHERS TO US .....
    Take care of yourself)
  38. ARS56
    ARS56 10 May 2014 16: 18
    +2
    A propaganda poster at the top is unsuccessful. It will increase the number of invalid ballots marked on this sample. The field on the left should have been left empty, without a cross.
  39. makeev.dmitry
    makeev.dmitry 10 May 2014 16: 40
    0
    There power was seized by bandits, paid for by the same force that promoted Trotsky, Hitler, Pinochet, Khrushchev and Gorbachev and others. That is, the obsessed. The global oligarchy unleashes wars and revolutions, with the hands of the Anglo-Saxon metropolis, this is for them a method of controlling the masses. You need to clearly imagine who is the enemy, who is his chain dog, what goals they are pursuing. Comparing the situation in Tatarstan in 1992 with Ukraine can only be understood that in both situations the general goal is the destruction of the Russian civilization. And proceed not from how it looks in the light of legislation, but from how these events will affect the 2-3 generations of our descendants. In general, they will be, our descendants, or they will rot with alcohol, drugs, in civil confrontations. Whose side is the truth on? Who stands for justice? Who is fighting for a brighter future? Liberals are trying to assert that criminals under the fascist flag have the right to their country, their ideology. We are denied this right. In this difficult situation, Putin needs to be guided by common sense and conscience, but not by emotions. I believe that he knows what he is doing, I hope that he has someone to rely on. "With worthy intentions, I have the right to do anything." Ivan Efremov "Hour of the Bull".
  40. Yellow white
    Yellow white 10 May 2014 16: 47
    +2
    What is called:
    - We would stand the day, but the night hold out!
    I’m sure Dill tomorrow will start to shoot on all fronts ... s.ts.s.uk.i.
    1. demoniac1666
      demoniac1666 10 May 2014 19: 19
      0
      For some reason, it also seems to me that they will go out of their way to break the referendum, URO.D.Y !!!
  41. yushch
    yushch 10 May 2014 17: 04
    +1
    The idio-you from Kiev must themselves be vitally interested in an honest referendum in the South-East. After all, they tirelessly ring about the scanty number of "separatists" and about "billions of GRU special forces."
    1. Kazanec
      Kazanec 10 May 2014 22: 10
      0
      Trillions of GRU special forces and FSB agents, as well as KEJIBI :)))))
  42. Maz
    Maz 10 May 2014 17: 43
    +2
    And what is there to think. Crimea showed everything. There will be Crimea-2. Prepare mourning in Kiev.
  43. Dave36
    Dave36 10 May 2014 18: 05
    +1
    Soon...
  44. GradusHuK
    GradusHuK 10 May 2014 18: 07
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: gandalf
    Because in Russia the constitution has acted and is valid, but in Ukraine it doesn’t.

    that is, you want to say that under the current constitution (as in the Russian Federation) the will of the people in the form of a referendum is not legal?

    The junta rules in UKRAINE. THOSE are not a legitimate government.
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  46. Red Army of the USSR
    Red Army of the USSR 10 May 2014 18: 55
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: colonel
    You want to say that from 1992 to 2002, Tatarstan, as a separate state, fought against the "occupiers" for its "independence" and lost?

    No, I just said everything. that a referendum was held in Tatarstan in 1992 (absolutely legal and not at gunpoint or with some kind of military action) and here it is. in an absolutely calm environment with a high turnout of the population. Tatarstan residents voted for Tatarstan as a separate state (in general, the issue at the rkferendum is absolutely identical to that in Donetsk) --- but the constitutional court of the Russian Federation recognized it as not legal.
    That's all.
    Just weird. that. which is illegal in Russia itself, for some reason it must be legal in Ukraine.

    Quote: colonel
    Why not remember the Republic of Ichkeria?

    Ichkeria can also remember the same, but this is not correct, because There was no referendum in Ichkeria and no one knows. what the people really thought. In Tatarstan, the referendum was held.
    Quote: colonel
    You are a cheap provocateur sir.

    Well it is clear . when it’s hard to answer, why not call a provocateur
    laughing Well this does not fit with the general picture of world justice (coming from the Russian Federation) and the prevalence of the will of the people over the laws of the state

    Quote: colonel
    the main thing is to spit in the direction of Russia.

    belay Spit? What nonsense. Just the facts.

    Before talking about Tatarstan, it would not hurt the Jews to free Palestine and the hedgehog with them, and only then to pull the log out of their eyes. Nerd fucking.
    1. Djubal
      Djubal 10 May 2014 21: 55
      +1
      Don’t listen to him :) He’s not a Jew, but the most terrible anti-Semite :) It’s nice to substitute someone else’s name :)
    2. tokin1959
      tokin1959 10 May 2014 22: 40
      +1
      in Tatarstan in 1992, there were more than 50 percent of Russians.
      and you want to say - they also voted for the separation?
      do not lie.
      and how do you imagine separation?
      border to the castle? Customs, border control? and what type of reservation?
      and how is the population?
      expel all Russians from Tatarstan, and Tatars from Russia to Tatarstan?
      or what, mister provocateur?
  47. Turkir
    Turkir 10 May 2014 20: 36
    0
    Good article Donne Martin: American dictator: Obama's bloody empire
    The axis of evil is the USA-EU-NATO, and therefore the illegal government in Kiev with the support of the USA, the CIA and the FBI, advisory support, continues its murderous activities and will escalate now that Obama washed his hands, deciding their fate.
    http://politobzor.net/show-21002-donn-marten-amerikanskiy-diktator-krovavaya-imp

    eriya-obamy.html
    -------------------
    American was not afraid to write the TRUTH!
  48. ssskalinin
    ssskalinin 10 May 2014 22: 43
    -2
    It’s good to sit on the couch and think about tomorrow’s referenda in Donbas. From the point of view of the current Ukrainian constitution (unfortunately already ...) This referendum is ILLEGAL. And it will be perceived
  49. Giperboreec
    Giperboreec 10 May 2014 22: 45
    0
    GDP - does EVERYTHING correctly, "Silence is golden".
  50. ssskalinin
    ssskalinin 10 May 2014 22: 59
    +1
    Mattresses and euro bastards will not make decisions of the DPR and LPR even with 70-80 percent military operations will continue. Remember the 2008 Georgia-South Ossetia. Russia helped stop the massacre (and this is precisely the massacre) and lost 214 military personnel (including peacekeeping forces) including 6 Russian Air Force pilots. The charges were similar. It just happens that the Donbas will create an unrecognized republic with unsecured money and unarmed (read helpless) and Russia will be drawn into the resolution of the conflict. At this point, a strong-willed decision on GDP is required. Let's wait until tomorrow and see.