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Aitkali Isengulov: “Generals are responsible for the army"

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Not on those stripes?


The events in Ukraine and around it became the object of close attention of the Kazakh public. Today, General Aitkali Gusmanovich Iengulov decided to express his vision of what is happening through the prism of the problems of the Kazakh army. And he does it in a military manner, frankly and rather impartially..


- Events in Ukraine, among other things, raised issues such as the combat readiness of the army, the moral and moral character of a state defender and, in general, the fulfillment of the tasks facing the armed forces of any state.

What concerns me as a professional soldier and general in the first place? The events in Ukraine clearly showed what serious shortcomings exist in the combat and moral and psychological training of her army. She was demoralized and dysfunctional. Especially in the Crimea. Almost almost en masse, the Ukrainian military transferred to the Russian side. But they all took the oath of allegiance to Ukraine. Watching this, I come to this conclusion. First of all, all the shortcomings, all the available decay manifested incapacity army lie in the lack of talent of its leadership. The events in Ukraine and in the Crimea also concern us, and therefore we must draw the appropriate conclusions from them.

A corrupt army with a low moral appearance cannot be a protector of the state. The leadership of such an army no moral or legal right to command and to give adequate time to the required orders and instructions. Their teams will simply be denied by the middle and lower level, which bears the main burden in any armed conflict.

I thought: who is to blame? And I come to this sad conclusion: first of all, the generals are guilty. After all, since the brigade and above, in the armed forces led by generals. Watching the sad picture of what is happening with the Ukrainian army, one involuntarily recalls the old and time-tested wisdom: the fools learn from their mistakes, and the smart ones learn from others. Therefore, our Kazakh army needs to learn the most important lessons from the mistakes of others. Can our army, in the event of such a seemingly private conflict, ensure the security of its state? But today, the state through ordinary taxpayers allocates a lot of money to the needs of the Kazakh army and has the right to expect that it will be able to ensure the integrity and inviolability of our borders.

Yes, a balanced and wise foreign policy pursued by our president, Nursultan Nazarbayev, seems to exclude any prerequisites for any hypothetical conflict in Kazakhstan due to territorial disputes with such large and strong neighbors as China and Russia. Nevertheless, the current situation shows that those guarantees under international agreements, which at one time were given by the largest states of the world, at some point simply do not work. It is enough to recall that the same Budapest memorandum, according to which Ukraine voluntarily refused the third nuclear potential in the world, ended up with a single referendum in the Crimea. We understand that such referendums, if desired, and appropriate financial support can be organized anywhere. But there is the Constitution of the state, and its provisions shall be inviolable for all citizens, regardless of political, ethnic, linguistic and other preferences.

Therefore, in today's conditions, the combat readiness of the army and its ability to protect the frontiers of our state become for all military personnel, especially those who were at the forefront of building the armed forces of independent Kazakhstan, the meaning of all life. Will our army be able to fulfill the tasks that our commander-in-chief has set for us?

Looking back, yet again, that for all the shortcomings in the military and moral and ethical responsibility of preparing the army generals. Many things depend on the moral character of the generals, on their observance of the code of honor. During 35 years of personnel service (and I passed it in the Northern, Central Group of Forces, in the GSVG, as an advisor in the armies of other states), I had to meet examples of compliance with the highest criteria for officer conscience and honor, loyalty to the oath. As such, I will call Sagadat Kozhakhmetovich Nurmagambetov and Peter Georgievich Lushev, with whom I had to cross in different periods of my army life. These were generals in the true sense of the word, from which it was possible to take an example in everything.

And against such a background, watching some negative processes in my own Kazakhstani Ministry of Defense, I feel a sense of burning shame. Is the third Vice-Minister for armaments and equipment was under arrest, and his two predecessors serving sentences for their unseemly deeds. The list can be supplemented with the names of several directors of departments of the Ministry of Defense, and they are all generals! What kind of honor a general's uniform as possible after this to talk ?! To whom can officers of the Kazakh armed forces be equal? And with what examples should we educate the younger generations after such a discredit of the title of “general”? The persistent feeling that many officers of the Kazakh army, having reached this rank, could not comprehend the depth of greatness and responsibility of this rank, does not leave me. First of all, to the people, to society, to the state.

Let's ask ourselves the question: why has this become possible? The main reason for such a negative state of affairs I see flaws and shortcomings in the selection and appointment to the general's office. Now the order of things subject to criticism sweeping the Soviet period, and after the Soviet army, whoever and whatever spoke, was the strongest in the world. And the selection in it for general positions was not just strict, but superstrong. Obligatory condition was the observance of the principle of passing through all the steps of commanding work: a platoon commander, a company commander, a battalion commander-commander of a regiment. That is, the passage of the military unit was the most important condition in order to be appointed to the general's position. But even so, the title of general was not always assigned to such a post. Before that was the most thorough selection.

Having received this title, officers faithfully served their Fatherland. In most cases up to 60 years. Firstly, because it was the strictest selection. And secondly, for the people who have undergone such a selection, all the conditions were created so that each of them could fully give all their knowledge, skills and accumulated professional and life experience. What, unfortunately, today is not observed. Recruitment for the rank of general is extremely lightweight, the title is often assigned hastily, followed by no less hasty dismissal or conviction under the article for the offenses committed.

At the same time, I can give you dozens of examples from Kazakhstan practice, when the generals were dismissed until 50-year-olds. And you know, among them were many intelligent officers. But opportunists that nothing good and useful for the army did not remain on the positions and it is "successfully" dosluzhivayut to the maximum age. So is it worth it after such a superficial personnel approach to be surprised at the devaluation of the general's rank?

Again, for comparison, I will give the following example. Over the 20 years of the existence of the Central Asian Military District, not a single general was prosecuted under the Criminal Code. And for a little 20 stories Kazakh Armed Forces sent several deputy defense ministers to prison. That's what it would cost us all to think. Especially those involved in the selection of personnel, who decide on the assignment of titles and appointment to senior positions, including the first head of the defense department. After all, it is no secret that behind each such appointment there are quite specific people who selected, recommended, prepared documents, and, perhaps, lobbied certain candidates. Have any of them been responsible for such personnel selection? Strongly doubt.

The main abscess, which is eating away at our army, is corruption. What can you say, if the deputy ministers of defense and heads of departments of the Ministry of Defense find themselves in the dock for corruption? And this is not an isolated case, but almost a trend. I am deeply convinced that commerce from the army must be removed once and for all. I spoke openly about this in 1998 year. When General S.Nurmagambetov left the army, commercialization immediately began in it, and I was one of the most ardent opponents of this. I said and said: "Commerce in the army will lead to corruption, and corruption will corrode the army. The army will become overcrowded. People who are infected with the bacilli of commerce do not need combat training. They need profit." There were cases when he openly opposed the unjustified write-off of military equipment and refused to sign his name as a member of the MoD collegium. I believed and believe that the issues of material support should be transferred to civil structures, and the army services should be left with the right to order and purchase. All forces of the defense department should be sent to the combat training of the army and raising the moral and ethical level of the personnel.

What can explain the deplorable state of the Ukrainian army? Only by the fact that the state structures responsible for it simply forgot about its existence. A poorly secured, morally decomposed army cannot fulfill the tasks assigned to it. This is an axiom. And on the contrary, in the Russian army in recent years, the closest attention was paid to the issues of combat training, logistics, psychological preparation, which, in fact, was reflected during the Ukrainian crisis.

A recent audit of the Accounts Chamber of how budget funds allocated to the armed forces of Kazakhstan are spent, revealed a lot of shortcomings. But the revealed abuses, misuse of funds and other negative things have not been the subject of thorough investigation by either the parliament or the public. But we are talking about the money of ordinary taxpayers, which in the event of force majeure circumstances, the army will have to protect. Has anyone thought that all the revealed defects and abuses are related to certain decisions of the generals of our army? And here there is another important aspect of the problem under consideration. All these decisions reflect the moral character of quite specific generals.

I often object: they say, is it really necessary for a future general to go through the command of a platoon, a company? So, I am absolutely convinced: whoever did not command a platoon, company, battalion, regiment, simply does not have any moral right to command the army, lead the military district, to be the head of the MO department. Those who do not know and do not understand banal everyday life and the daily routine of military life, who just came from the civil service and are trying to change something in the army without understanding its specifics, stand up for this.

Also, I do not understand how you can come from the system of internal affairs bodies and become deputy minister of defense? And how can one explain the facts, when in some five or six years a senior lieutenant becomes a colonel? What can after this demand from such an army? Where are the structures that should track such things? Why do people with rear or technical services get into key positions, or simply from military registration and enlistment offices? At the same time, army officers who commanded platoons, companies, battalions and regiments were subordinate to the above-named public. Another word and hard to pick up. A real officer for grayness is like a bone in a throat. Because against its background, the limitations and professional unsuitability of a person without a military "bone" immediately strike the eye.

If we carry out a qualitative analysis of the leadership of the Defense Ministry, starting with the minister himself and his deputies, then we can say that there are only one or two professional military men, and the rest are either civilian or come from other departments. This is a very disturbing factor for our army, which can not but affect both the combat training and the moral and psychological state of the personnel. And what can we expect or demand from a general who does not have a proper understanding of his functional duties?

If you do not intervene in the situation, then it is precisely such personnel that can make up the majority of the modern generals of the Kazakh army. Is it any wonder after this the metamorphosis occurring with the moral character of the highest officers? Margaret Thatcher owns the phrase: "In order to restore order in the state and get rid of corruption, you need to have 15 honest top officials." It seems to me that we need all 5-6 senior military officials to end bribery in the army. But we must begin with the first head of the MO, his deputies and directors of departments. Well, you may need another ten-another person. Only in this way can we eliminate corruption in the army. And if this is not done, then the generals are to blame for this. All responsibility for the decomposition of the army falls entirely on him. There can be no doubt about it.

Therefore, I am very upset and ashamed when I observe what is happening in our army. I am even more ashamed that there are such, if I may say so, generals in our army. The army should be led by statesmen, not "merchants". Where there is commerce, fertile soil is created for acquisitiveness and bribery. If a person steals in the army, he steals from a soldier. He is not just a thief, he undermines the combat readiness of the army, and consequently, the national security of the country.

In this regard, questions arise to the relevant structures, which are designed to prevent and eradicate abuses in the armed forces, starting with representatives of the National Security Committee and the supervising financial services. And where is the counterintelligence service looking? No one denies their work, but apparently it is not enough. There is still an inspection of the defense department. Maybe we should take it out of the subordination of the leaders of the Defense Ministry and directly subordinate it to the commander in chief? Or at least the head of the presidential administration.

Least I would like readers to get the impression that there are no worthy generals in our army. By no means. Thank God, our land has not yet become scanty with talents. With many of them I had the honor to serve and share the difficulties of army life. This is General A.S. Ryabtsev, who at the dawn of our independence was the First Deputy Minister of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, General B.Ye. Yertaev, General U. B. Yelamanov, General N.A. Zholamanov, General B. B. Zhanasayev, General V. .V.Tuzikov and many others who have passed all the steps of the army hierarchy. They were distinguished and distinguished by high professionalism, unswerving adherence to the principles of human conscience and officer honor.

However, with great regret, I have to admit that we are losing the moral authority of the title of “general” and what is commonly called general honor. And how to say otherwise, if the score of convicted and condemned generals will soon go to dozens? I can assure you that I am not alone in my opinion. The Council of Generals of Kazakhstan is very concerned about the emerging trend. At the same time, such a statement of the question concerns not only the army department, but also other security agencies. How many senior officers of the National Security Committee were implicated in the Horgos case? Doesn't the shadow fall on the officers of the financial police? The role of representatives of other law enforcement agencies in this matter is also questionable.

A year and a half ago, during the crash, the leadership of Kazakhstani border guards was tragically killed. I consider it necessary to say that responsibility for this tragedy also falls on today's domestic generals. Instead of organizing the process of repairing military equipment with high quality and on time, the responsible officers were engaged in registration and falsification. It would not be an exaggeration to say that blood remained in the hands of some generals. In this matter, too, it is time to restore order.

If tomorrow a military conflict occurs, it may happen that pity for one villain will lead to the death of tens and hundreds of innocent people. Criminal acts of one corrupt scoundrel can jeopardize the combat capability of entire regiments, and maybe even divisions. It is then that we will see the real look of our current generals. Because without them nothing is done in the army. And because the demand must begin with the generals. The rest are just performers.

Only in this way can we bring genuine order to the armed forces and ensure the proper level of their combat readiness.

I have the honor!
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  1. Name
    Name 10 May 2014 14: 08
    -5
    IMHO, - the general gave an interview from the territory of Russia. recourse
    1. danperevera
      danperevera 10 May 2014 17: 13
      -3
      fake generals of the amusing army of an artificially created country
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 10 May 2014 17: 44
        +11
        It is a pity the general poorly elucidated the generals moral and political assessment, which allows them to easily refuse to swear an oath to the people (the President and Parliament elected by the people) in favor of criminal criminals committing coups.
        If we look from this point of view, in Ukraine there has not been a single general sworn in to take the fight against the fascist junta that seized power in Kiev.
        As in Moscow in 1990, there was not a single general who would defend the USSR, for the preservation of which the majority of the Soviet people voted in a referendum.
        As in 1993 in Moscow there was not a single general who stood in the way of a coup d'etat committed by EBNutym - a drunkard and puppet of the United States, Yeltsin.
        So, there are enough claims against the generals, not only from the point of view of corruption, lack of official qualifications in the order of passing the posts of platoon-company-battalion-regiment commander.
        The main thing, along with the professional qualities of generals, their moral and political characteristics, loyalty to their people, which does not allow serving state criminals illegally seized the highest power in the state.
      2. Kazbek
        10 May 2014 17: 56
        +8
        Quote: danperevera
        fake generals of the amusing army of an artificially created country
        The funniest thing is that the Danperwrun was going to actually become the official of this amusing army and take the oath of the artificially created country ..?! wink
        But even this "funny" army, he did not fit ... negative
        1. jjj
          jjj 10 May 2014 18: 35
          +1
          Commanders must be Russian in the broad sense of the word
      3. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 11 May 2014 20: 39
        +2
        "They often object to me: they say, is it really necessary for a future general to go through the command of a platoon, company? So, I am absolutely convinced: whoever did not command a platoon, company, battalion, regiment, he simply does not have any moral right to command an army, to lead a military district, be the head of the Department of Defense. "

        I agree with this, and always thought so. Who does not know how to control a platoon, I doubt that I can manage a regiment or a corps. Momyshuly twice withdrew troops from under the encirclement. If he was our MO, I would not be worried about the army.
      4. Guard
        Guard 11 May 2014 21: 22
        +2
        Quote: danperevera
        fake generals of the amusing army of an artificially created country

        So Th forgotten then here, "restrained"? go wherever you want. Throw off the card number, throw in a couple of kopecks for the move. current promise not to delay the departure.
  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 10 May 2014 14: 12
    +26
    With all due respect to the general, I did not like the general’s rhetoric that Russia has overcome Crimea from Ukraine. Is it not clear what would happen to Crimea if two months ago Crimea was not protected. Enough for an annexation pattern. HISTORICAL REUNION HAPPENED !!!

    IT IS POSSIBLE to understand this RHETORIC from P. INDOS from the WESTERN, this is their work, but YOU CAN’T tolerate YOURSELF, it is necessary to repulse with replicas, facts and arguments.
    1. Alexey N
      Alexey N 10 May 2014 14: 20
      +7
      I have often noticed that they look at Russia as a threat, and not an ally. I wonder what rank this general went in the Soviet army?
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 10 May 2014 14: 29
        +15
        I did not find a full biography. Here they write that in 1968 he served in the special forces with the rank of starley and participated in the Prague Spring.

        http://www.rassvet21-go.ru/index.php/12-rostovskoe-regionalnoe-dvizhenie-voinov-

        internatsionalistov-operatsii-qdunajq / 10-pismo-ajtkali-isengulov

        Isengulov Aitkali Gusmanovich - Major General, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan 1993-1997 In 1968 - Art. lieutenant, deputy Commander of the 144-th Special Purpose Company (SPN) - military unit 38659. He lives in Kazakhstan.


        Currently he is the president of the public association 'Union of Reserve Servicemen of the Republic of Kazakhstan', a member of the presidium of the public association 'Council of Generals of the Republic of Kazakhstan', deputy chairman of the 'Party of Patriots of Kazakhstan'.


        He was awarded the 27 th government awards, of which the 6 th foreign, is a full medal holder (bronze, silver, gold). Arthur Becker (GDR)
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 10 May 2014 14: 38
        +8
        You can see right away that the general himself is a little demoralized laughing but there are places and truth in his words.
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    2. Free Island
      Free Island 10 May 2014 17: 35
      +9
      I agree, it seems to me that 90% of interviews are just hysteria of a frightened guy in stripes, who is already asleep and sees the Russian army on the border with Kazakhstan with roulettes in his hands .... on the other hand, still impolite green men from the Chinese army are sawing another piece of Kazakhstan ... and here the Mongolian army, like Poland and Romania in the case of Ukraine, stands on the sidelines and drools ... on what remains of Kazakhstan after that how China and Russia will drink it ... well, nonsense .. and grandpa does not know that the armies of Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia are united by the CSTO treaty ..... conduct joint exercises and are stupidly tied to each other ??? By the way, Ukraine was not a member of the CSTO, and even in the CIS there was no Ukraine ... so my grandfather was just scared ... well, well, he doesn't think soberly))))) but the rest of the article is quite clear - to the grandfather-general It's a shame because there is corruption in the army, and so on ... but they have got SEVERAL DEFENSE MINISTERS for crimes and we cannot land one on a bunk together with his prostitute)))
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 10 May 2014 19: 23
      +7
      Quote: Scandinavian
      With all due respect to the general, I did not like the general’s rhetoric that Russia has overcome Crimea from Ukraine. Is it not clear what would happen to Crimea if two months ago Crimea was not protected. Enough for an annexation pattern. HISTORICAL REUNION HAPPENED !!!

      - Greetings! Do not forget that this is a defender speaking, albeit an old and retired one, but a defender. He faithfully defended the USSR, after the collapse he served and continues to serve, but with his thoughts and moral support, Kazakhstan. And in this interview, he speaks precisely as a Defender. Yes, in relation to Crimea, it is somewhat narrow-minded, but it is not its function to understand politics, its function is to protect against anyone who encroached on. And let politicians understand politics, this is their bread and their profession. If this is how each soldier argues who is right and who is wrong in the dispute between the superpowers, then we will not get an army, reasoning and reflecting to the brethren with weapons, and I don’t see any sense from such a gathering of “clever fellows”.
  3. mig31
    mig31 10 May 2014 14: 16
    +9
    For any army in the world, what is the supreme commander, such are his generals and therefore the army of the country !!! God bless you !!! that we almost reanimated our RUSSIAN armed forces ... further, I am baptized ...
  4. Zymran
    Zymran 10 May 2014 14: 16
    -3
    Good, topical and truthful interview. Mr. General, you have great respect, as they say on our Internet. :)
  5. Alexey N
    Alexey N 10 May 2014 14: 17
    +17
    But all of them took the oath of allegiance to Ukraine.

    And the fact that they swore before this USSR is nothing? However, they are oiled in one world.
  6. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 10 May 2014 14: 25
    +10
    Quote: Alexey N
    I have often noticed that they look at Russia as a threat, and not an ally. I wonder what rank this general went in the Soviet army?


    In the 90, after the collapse in Kazakhstan, yesterday's ensigns became majors, so what about the purity of general epaulettes, one can only guess on the coffee grounds.
    1. Kazbek
      10 May 2014 15: 45
      +6
      Quote: Scandinavian
      In 90, after the collapse in Kazakhstan, yesterday's ensigns became major
      Nu-nu .. But in Russia and not in the 90, the stools became the head of the Ministry of Defense ... repeat
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 10 May 2014 15: 56
        +4
        There were two Chechen wars in Russia, and officers earned their ranks and positions with blood. There were no wars in Kazakhstan, which contributed to excellent corruption in the Ministry of Defense. Especially after the collapse of the USSR and the mass departure of the Russian-speaking population from the KZ, staff officers also left, most of whom were ethnic Russians and Ukrainians. Therefore, full-time and efficient officers in Kazakhstan simply did not remain. Hence the need appeared to raise the morale of our army, to appoint ensigns as majors and to give ranks to no one later, for not a big bribe.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 10 May 2014 16: 01
          +5
          In 1968, this general served in the special forces with the rank of starley, so there is no need to indiscriminately blame a person.
        2. alone
          alone 10 May 2014 18: 32
          +5
          Quote: Scandinavian
          There were two Chechen wars in Russia, and officers earned their ranks and positions with blood

          Well, I imagined Serdyukov, who stormed Grozny or Argun !! what No.
        3. Guard
          Guard 11 May 2014 21: 44
          +2
          Quote: Scandinavian
          Especially after the collapse of the USSR and the mass departure of the Russian-speaking population from the KZ, staff officers also left, most of whom were ethnic Russians and Ukrainians. Therefore, full-time and efficient officers in Kazakhstan simply did not remain.
          Don't drive the blizzard. Since the 90s, Kazakhstan has attracted ethnic Kazakh officers who served back across the Union. We did not have "non-personnel". Many officers and generals returned to Kazakhstan after the collapse of the USSR. So you don't have to imagine that "the Russians left, and instead of their aul stupid Kazakhs they picked up."
          ZY
          Quote: Scandinavian
          There were two Chechen wars in Russia, and officers earned their ranks and positions with blood.

          My father, by the way, was also the first Chechen in the post of deputy battalion commander. Then they moved to Kazakhstan.
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      2. Polarfox
        Polarfox 10 May 2014 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: Kazbek
        stools became the head of the Ministry of Defense ..

        Pot calls the kettle black. Have you forgotten about Akhmetov with his scrap aircraft?
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 10 May 2014 16: 37
          0
          What kind of airplanes?
        2. Kazbek
          10 May 2014 17: 46
          +1
          Quote: Polarfox
          Pot calls the kettle black.
          Well, not a moo .. laughing
          Quote: Polarfox
          scrap aircraft?
          I remember the story of how the Russians steamed the RK, rusty planes, as far as I remember the SU-27 ..
          Yes, and the scandal with the delivery of the Russian Federation of scrap aircraft to Algeria ?! So there’s nothing to blame on the mirror ...
          Quote: Scandinavian
          There were two Chechen wars in Russia,
          Well you and ..
          This is what shows the level of the Kazakh leadership, which did not allow the "Chechen scenario" in Kazakhstan, although many experts predicted an unenviable fate for Kazakhstan ..
          Quote: Scandinavian
          and there the officers earned their ranks and positions with blood.
          What blood and in what military operations did Monsieur Serdyukof earn his position and awards ?! soldier
          Quote: Scandinavian
          which contributed to excellent corruption in Min Defense.
          .
          Quote: Scandinavian
          Hence the need appeared to raise the morale of our army, to appoint ensigns as majors and to give ranks to no one later, for not a big bribe.
          .. "Pashka - Mercedes" .. repeat
          1. Scandinavian
            Scandinavian 10 May 2014 18: 20
            +1
            I remember the story of how the Russians steamed the RK, rusty planes, as far as I remember the SU-27 ..
            Yes, and the scandal with the delivery of the Russian Federation of scrap aircraft to Algeria ?! So there’s nothing to blame on the mirror ...
            Quote: Scandinavian
            There were two Chechen wars in Russia,
            Well you and ..
            This is what shows the level of the Kazakh leadership, which did not allow the "Chechen scenario" in Kazakhstan, although many experts predicted an unenviable fate for Kazakhstan ..
            Quote: Scandinavian
            and there the officers earned their ranks and positions with blood.
            What blood and in what military operations did Monsieur Serdyukof earn his position and awards ?! soldier
            Quote: Scandinavian
            which contributed to excellent corruption in Min Defense.
            .
            Quote: Scandinavian
            Hence the need appeared to raise the morale of our army, to appoint ensigns as majors and to give ranks to no one later, for not a big bribe.
            .. "Pashka - Mercedes" .. feel


            Alibek ULY - I congratulate you on changing KICKUKHA to KAZBEK.

            So, I declare that there was no war in Kazakhstan, this is not the professionalism of the Kazakhstani leadership, it is a multi-vector policy or in the common people of ZHOPOLISE, in Asia this is considered the norm, so no longer get used to it.

            Serdyukov, please do not ascribe to the military, this is purely civilian. He pursued purely commercial goals.

            Mercedes Pasha fought in Afghanistan and received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, for the competent management of the division entrusted to him, as he ensured the least loss of personnel. There is something to be proud of the people for their son.

            And you will call the military in Kazakhstan who can be proud of? If so, then I will be glad to hear their names!
            1. jjj
              jjj 10 May 2014 18: 42
              -1
              Pavel Grachev was not the worst minister. Combat General. And a lot about him invented by the liberals. Apart from the car nickname, nothing stuck to him. So after all, the Mercedes is a good car
            2. romb
              romb 10 May 2014 18: 44
              +2
              Boris Tukenovich Kerimbaev, as a counterweight to the heroism of Pasha Mercedes.
              It'll do?
              1. Scandinavian
                Scandinavian 10 May 2014 19: 03
                -1
                It refers to the old military system nurtured by the Soviet army in Kazakhstan, who can be proud of - Kara Major ... What are the modern military who can be proud of after the Soviet period?
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 10 May 2014 19: 23
                  +4
                  And by what criteria to evaluate pride, there was no war.

                  So, I declare that there was no war in Kazakhstan, this is not the professionalism of the Kazakhstani leadership, it is a multi-vector policy or in the common people of ZHOPOLISE, in Asia this is considered the norm, so no longer get used to it.


                  This is the most profitable policy for Kazakhstan, and the policy of licking began with the entry into various Taiga unions.
                  1. Scandinavian
                    Scandinavian 10 May 2014 19: 37
                    0
                    Zymran KZ Today, 19: 23 ↑ New

                    And by what criteria to evaluate pride, there was no war.

                    So, I declare that there was no war in Kazakhstan, this is not the professionalism of the Kazakhstani leadership, it is a multi-vector policy or in the common people of ZHOPOLISE, in Asia this is considered the norm, so no longer get used to it.


                    This is the most profitable policy for Kazakhstan, and the policy of licking began with the entry into various Taiga unions.


                    One can be proud of how one or another general and defense minister did, so serving in the Army has become prestigious as well as in Soviet times. You can be proud of the army and the military in civilian times. Shoigu S.K. to you as an example. He put the EMERCOM of Russia on its feet, and now it will establish affairs in the RF Ministry of Defense.
                  2. Semurg
                    Semurg 11 May 2014 11: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Zymran
                    And by what criteria to evaluate pride, there was no war.

                    So, I declare that there was no war in Kazakhstan, this is not the professionalism of the Kazakhstani leadership, it is a multi-vector policy or in the common people of ZHOPOLISE, in Asia this is considered the norm, so no longer get used to it.


                    This is the most profitable policy for Kazakhstan, and the policy of licking began with the entry into various Taiga unions.

                    There was such a topic - do they want Russian wars? judging by komentami and Ukraine rather yes than no.
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                2. romb
                  romb 10 May 2014 19: 46
                  +7
                  It belongs to the old military system nurtured by the Soviet army ...

                  So Grachev, as well, however, a large part of the senior officers come from the Soviet army. Can we also move them aside?
                  What modern military can be proud of after the Soviet period?

                  A separate engineer-sapper squad of Kazbat during the Iraqi company.
                  The result of their actions is really impressive. At least the coalition gave them the highest rating. At the same time, she expressed deep gratitude for the highly professional actions of the sappers in mine clearance and destruction of various types of explosives - more than four million units. Also, Iraq itself, represented by the government and the people, respects (until now) the Kazakhstani squad for their actions that he took to save the lives of many thousands of Iraqis - disinfecting water and providing medical assistance from the Kazakh military.
                  Isn't it worth it to be proud of?
                  1. Zymran
                    Zymran 10 May 2014 19: 48
                    +5
                    By the way, my brother-in-law served in Kazbat.
                3. Guard
                  Guard 11 May 2014 21: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Scandinavian
                  It refers to the old military system nurtured by the Soviet army in Kazakhstan, who can be proud of - Kara Major ... What are the modern military who can be proud of after the Soviet period?

                  General U. Sanabaev, General K. Suleimenov, General R. Zhaksylykov. Plus officers and soldiers who have passed the Tajik border and Iraqi trips. Etc.
            3. Kazbek
              10 May 2014 21: 09
              +5
              Quote: Scandinavian
              Alibek ULS
              You got me crying Everything is urgently changing appearances, passwords and deployment .. belay laughing
              Quote: Scandinavian
              with a change of CLICKS
              Well, you have it - youngsters, CLICKS
              Quote: Scandinavian
              ASSOCIATIONS, in Asia this is considered the norm, so no longer get used to it.
              Do not forget, after that brush your teeth and tongue, at the same time rinse your mouth ..
              Quote: Scandinavian
              There is something to be proud of the people for their son.
              You tell the mothers of the dead guys ..
              Quote: Scandinavian
              There were two Chechen wars in Russia, and officers earned their ranks and positions with blood.

              .
              Quote: Scandinavian
              And you will call the military in Kazakhstan who can be proud of?
              One of the main tasks of the leadership of the country and the army is to prevent, suppress the possibility of escalation and military conflict.
              And the leadership of the USSR and the Russian Federation, at the end of the twentieth century. bears direct responsibility for what allowed the occurrence of these.
              And, for that matter, I would not want to be proud of my military at such a price - at the cost of an inglorious war ... I am glad that I do not know their names.
              And, I’m proud that in Kazakhstan those events did not happen whose heroes you boast about ..
              P.S. And in the end I have a simple question - why is such a nice howl and far-sighted onalitig not an officer or soldier of the glorious Russian army that you are so proud of ?! recourse
              Why, are you still in Kazakhstan, where do you say corruption and bribery and licking ?! request
              Quote: Alex_Zlat
              Found, damn it, who are afraid!
              And, with this I completely agree .. who would have used it .. hi
        3. Guard
          Guard 11 May 2014 22: 14
          +2
          Quote: Polarfox
          Pot calls the kettle black. Have you forgotten about Akhmetov with his scrap aircraft?

          1) This was not the idea of ​​Akhmetov, but of the generals, and it was essentially supported by the president.
          2) These ancient MIGs of our army were not needed. They were awaited by the fate of scrap metal. The decision to sell them was a sound idea. But nobody needed them except the North Koreans.
          3) The information about the sale of Kazakhstani aircraft to the "outcast" country was leaked by the ex-Kazakhstani military, who are now retired in Russia. In those years, the dohua of ethnic Russian officers who dumped them on their historical homeland considered it their moral duty to leak information about what was happening in KZ. Thanks to these "caring" people, Americans through the Russian Ministry of Defense she also learned that the Kazakhs did not destroy the TU-95m strategic bombers, and that they didn’t destroy tanks near Semsky, and that there was Stepnogorsk in the then-closed city (but here also K. Alibekov podnasral )
  7. andron
    andron 10 May 2014 14: 30
    +1
    Well, where are you and Nazarbayev looking? Go General !!!
  8. Thompson
    Thompson 10 May 2014 14: 37
    +2
    Yes, in general, his speech is about nothing. He speaks about the moral state of the army, but he is talking about corruption and money. He slipped the Budapest Treaty there and hinted at others ... And what's the point? There was a Molotov-Ribentrop agreement, they violated it, there was an agreement on non-expansion of NATO, they deny it, there was an ABM agreement, the United States came out unilaterally. Lots of examples. Against those who bomb the whole world, while feeding the rest, (they) are silent, who will scold the hand that feeds the grandmothers.
    There is no POLITICAL assessment of the events in Ukraine! Namely in them lies the essence of the behavior and moral state of her army! DOESN'T WANT A SOLDIER SHOOT AT A PEOPLE!
    But the NATO army would have entered, I think it would have been completely different.
    And about the generals ... there are none like that! There are runners and grandmothers with stars. Were they there, Ukraine would not have reached today's insanity! The military should have crushed the coup, just like that!
  9. Lelek
    Lelek 10 May 2014 14: 53
    +5
    In fact, some rubbish at the level of corporal. If you do not look at the headline, you get the impression that the hachik wrote from the market. soldier
  10. Hctu
    Hctu 10 May 2014 15: 02
    +8
    The unfriendly tone of the Kazakh general
  11. Giant thought
    Giant thought 10 May 2014 15: 09
    +11
    He seems to regret that everything went without a slaughter in the Crimea. A wonderful example of a veiled anti-Russian attitude, just a little more and we will be to blame for all the troubles of the Kazakh army.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 May 2014 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: Giant thought
      He seems to regret that everything went without a slaughter in the Crimea. A wonderful example of a veiled anti-Russian attitude, just a little more and we will be to blame for all the troubles of the Kazakh army.

      the general writes that the army which the people of Ukraine fed and maintained did not do what it was intended to protect the integrity and inviolability of the territory of Ukraine. And who specifically attacked is another question. wink
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 11 May 2014 14: 58
        0
        Where did you see the Army of Ukraine? Of the once mighty army, virtually one division remained! And that is collected "from the world on a string." The weapons were sold, no new ones were delivered, even the call-up was canceled at the finish line, and no professionals were recruited. They stole that there was nothing to feed their army!
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 May 2014 15: 42
          +1
          The army for peacetime was and regularly received any money for its living (whom this allowance did not suit could leave), but when the question arose of fulfilling its duty to protect territorial integrity, then the army merged. And now, after the elections, the Ukrainian government will decide, along with other issues, the issue of the army, albeit small but capable. The Russian Federation faced something similar in the first Chechen one where the generals refused to lead the operation and the officers sold weapons and ammunition and the conscripts massively mowed and there was a lot of money in the treasury.
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  12. Dock
    Dock 10 May 2014 15: 34
    +4
    "A poorly secured, morally decayed army cannot fulfill the tasks assigned to it. This is an axiom."Well then, does the general justify the failure of the Ukrainian military? That is, if the army was strong, then it would be able to cope with the task of suppressing protests in the Southeast, and would that be right ??? The general would be satisfied? Yes ... With such allies and enemies it is not necessary!
  13. avia1991
    avia1991 10 May 2014 15: 39
    +7
    The root causes of corruption in the army have long been known, and not only the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan suffers from this, but also the Russian one. So the general did not discover America. But the most repulsive in the article is its rationale, given at the beginning, and clearly showed the real attitude of our "allies" to the latest actions of Russia, the annexation of Crimea, and to the essence of the Bandera supporters who usurped power in Ukraine.
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 10 May 2014 16: 04
      +2
      Quote: avia1991
      and clearly showed the real attitude of our "allies"

      Do not confuse the position of the general with the position of the state.
      Not of course, but this is how our youth celebrated the 69 anniversary of the Great Victory
      On May 9, near the memorial of Glory, a sporting event entitled “Victory Record” was held. She was initiated by the team of Shymkent workouters “XIII Legion”. In honor of the 69th anniversary of the Victory Day, over 90 people decided to push out 69000 times.
      http://otyrar.kz/2014/05/v-chest-dnya-pobedy-shymkentskie-vorkautery-sdelali-690
      00-otzhimanij /
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 10 May 2014 16: 09
        +1
        Andrey, the general’s normal position, I don’t understand what you don’t like?

        Quote: Andrey KZ
        Not of course, but this is how our youth celebrated the 69 anniversary of the Great Victory


        I liked this news more.

        88-year-old veteran tanker from Karaganda Izmail Galiulin, with the permission of the leadership of the regional command "Astana", fired from a modern T-72B battle tank. Moreover, the tanker, who has not taken up the levers of the tank for more than 60 years, successfully completed the task, destroying the conditional enemy, reports the portal Remarka.kz.

        More details: http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/88-letniy-veteran-iz-karagandyi-porazil-tse
        l-na-sovremennom-tanke-254932 /


        By the way, do you think, on Victory Day, 10 years ago, veterans were taken to a military training ground, where they were given weapons in their hands and they shot at training targets?
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 10 May 2014 16: 31
          +5
          Quote: Zymran
          88-year-old veteran tanker from Karaganda Izmail Galiulin, with the permission of the leadership of the regional command "Astana", fired from a modern T-72B battle tank. Moreover, the tanker, who had not taken up the levers of the tank for over 60 years, successfully completed the task, destroying the conditional enemy,
          According to 24.KZ they showed this story, I also liked it, the grandfather is so peppy, it will give odds to many young people. The general, in principle, said everything correctly, In the Crimea, his position is certainly controversial. In my humble opinion, if there had been a real Army in Ukraine, it would not have allowed a coup. Accordingly, there would be no issue with Crimea. And so, the power is corrupt, the army, too, as a result, we have what we have. Here the general is right, Kazakhstan has something to think about.
          1. onizhe
            onizhe 10 May 2014 17: 49
            +2
            In Crimea, the truth is a controversial position. Everything is clear about corruption, but not only that. In Ukraine, due to lack of money, soldiers served, as a rule, at the place of residence, respectively, Crimeans served in Crimea. From here it is clear which side they switched to when the choice appeared.
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 10 May 2014 15: 49
    -4
    Uncle worked out 30 cookies and citizenship in the West ... interesting ... if I rummage around, he hopped when he jumped there and now he is shaking before being exposed.
  15. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 10 May 2014 15: 54
    +7
    I would like to add. Some do not find another word stupid generals like to say: The army is out of politics. I ask, where is the army then? and who is in politics. Yes, the army cannot be used to resolve political disputes. But when the country is in danger, as an example of a coup in Kiev, when the police and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are paralyzed and can’t cope, then the army should not stand aside. If the military in Ukraine had not been afraid, if troops had been sent to Kiev and crushed the Maidan, there would have been victims, and even some very dissatisfied politicians, but the army would have saved the country. Isn't the task of the army to save the country? But what the Ukrainian army is doing now is no longer the salvation of the country, it is genocide, it is a crime in its purest form.
  16. Polarfox
    Polarfox 10 May 2014 16: 04
    +9
    I barely finished reading. Long and tedious, and through the whole article like a red thread - "what if Russia and we are delaying something?" Shitty army in Kazakhstan? Well, it didn't become known yesterday. Starting with the "jacket" of Defense Minister Akhmetov, scam after swindle in the defense sector. Who needs unfortunate soldiers with their morale when such loot is spinning there? So, do not drink Narzan if the kidneys have fallen off.

    The army is only a cut of the state. If in the state they steal billions, spitting not only on moral principles, but also on laws, then why should the army be different?
    1. asar
      asar 10 May 2014 16: 58
      +4
      Hit the point! Totally agree!
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 10 May 2014 17: 30
      +3
      Quote: Polarfox
      Long and tedious, and through the entire article like a red thread - "what if Russia and we are delaying something?"
      I completely agree. And further. The main message of the article - Ukraine has a bad army, poorly defends the territorial integrity of Ukraine, poorly trained soldiers - do not always agree to shoot at people, go over to the side of the people. In Kazakhstan, too, there is friction in relations with other nationalities. In the event of a conflict, I think this darling military would defend the territorial integrity of Kazakhstan as well as the national guard of Ukraine. (Is this article a hello from the organizers of the Maidan?).
    3. mackonya
      mackonya 10 May 2014 17: 40
      -2
      It's sad, but it's true. Corruption in our country has reached such proportions that it seems to me that the task has been set to "set a record."
      1. smile
        smile 10 May 2014 18: 10
        +2
        mackonya
        Corruption in Russia is quite average European in scale, and it is all less than in the United States, where it is simply unimaginable - for example. according to their own data, they annually scrape at least a third of the military budget .... the unfortunate stool is not even a candle to his American counterparts in terms of the scope and scale of theft, and they are much more protected - no arrests of high-ranking military leaders of his level in the United States and there is no question .... But, unlike us, the Americans do not pour slop on their heads and do not scream that they are thoroughly corrupt (what other diagnosis can be made to a country where corruption is legalized and simply called lobbyism). Americans even in their version of pedagogy wanted to cover up the topic - "corruption in the USA" ... :))) .... so that no records in this area will shine for us - the pillars of democracy in the competition for corruption have left us far behind .. ...
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 10 May 2014 18: 30
          +2
          Well, here is the rating for 2013 year http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results

          Quote: smile

          Corruption in Russia is quite average European, and even less so than in the United States, where it is simply unimaginable - for example. according to their own data, they annually dig at least a third of the military budget


          You can reference
          1. smile
            smile 10 May 2014 19: 01
            0
            Zymran
            Firstly, these are personal impressions, personal experience. Secondly, this is evidenced by the numerous scandals associated with monstrous corruption, for example, in France and Spain - if you wish, you can easily find it if you wish - you are a persistent guy, and now I’m just looking too lazy ... :)))
            And about your ridiculous picture, the link to which you gave - http://topwar.ru/43645-ssha-kak-oplot-mirovoy-korrupcii.html..love a laugh, this picture is there too ... :)) )
          2. Semurg
            Semurg 11 May 2014 11: 31
            +2
            Quote: Zymran
            Well, here is the rating for 2013 http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/result


            I think the amount of kickbacks depends on the amount of money that states spend specifically on the army. From here it turns out that we spend less and less kickbacks, in Russia more and more kickbacks are more abrupt, and the United States at the top in spending on the army, well, there are probably the biggest kickbacks in the world. True, specifically in this article, the general correctly writes for me that the fighters should be engaged in military training and formulate specific requirements for equipment and software, and other structures will be engaged in this. There, of course, the same thing will probably be corruption, but the army will be cut off from this. The army soldier took the oath and sits on the state’s allowance, and if he has extra money left, he has left and thoughts appear left. And the general poorly covered the topic of civil (military) patriotism in the army, and this is the main thing on which the army can win the war.
        2. smile
          smile 10 May 2014 18: 36
          0
          For those who strongly disagree with me, but to write a comment exposing me, a villain of some sort, fears :))) I highly recommend information about the monstrous corruption in the USA, link:

          http://ruxpert.ru/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B2_


          %D0%A1%D0%A8%D0%90

          A small quote:

          Black hole of the Pentagon.
          Since 1999, the US government has been unsuccessfully trying to figure out the Pentagon’s spending. [21] Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush’s Secretary of Defense, publicly stated that a quarter of the Pentagon’s spending goes unclear, and there are simply no accounting documents for over 2 trillion dollars.
          Now, in 2014, there are no normal documents worth $ 8,5 trillion already. This is a huge amount, half of the gigantic US foreign debt. The Pentagon spent the money somewhere and did not report for it. [22]

          Well, what, 8,5 trillion dollars stolen only in the military department of the United States - meloch? So who went there for the record? :)))
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 10 May 2014 19: 17
            +4
            I’ll go look for articles in English, but it’s impressive, of course.
            1. smile
              smile 10 May 2014 19: 38
              0
              Zymran
              You have pleasantly surprised me. Thank.
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 10 May 2014 19: 41
                +3
                Well, they indirectly made a stubborn fanatic of me ... If there are convincing arguments for or against my point of view, I always perceive them.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 10 May 2014 20: 10
            +3
            Quote: smile
            Black hole of the Pentagon.
            Since 1999, the US government has been unsuccessfully trying to figure out the Pentagon’s spending.

            I will try to "illustrate" ...
        3. jjj
          jjj 10 May 2014 18: 46
          +3
          In America, it's called business.
  17. asar
    asar 10 May 2014 16: 57
    +2
    First of all, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief is responsible for the army, or, more simply, the President! And if the army is a mess, then the demand, first of all, from him! "Serdyukovism" is also "Serdyukovism" in Africa! Do you "care" about the security of the country, about its combat readiness, does the Minister of Defense not suit, there is no trust in him, there is no trust in the generals? Change the minister to a more sensible one, and he will pick himself a "command"!
  18. Valter1364
    Valter1364 10 May 2014 17: 04
    +2
    I have not finished reading. One "deep" thought was enough that the Ukrainian army did not fight for the Crimea, and the general, apparently, really wanted it. I realized that I won't find anything of value in this article.
  19. Argyn-suindyk
    Argyn-suindyk 10 May 2014 17: 16
    +6
    Quote: name
    IMHO, - the general gave an interview from the territory of Russia. recourse

    No one expected more profound nonsense from you! The article was written for the Kazakhstani site "Central Asia Monitor".
  20. Indifferent
    Indifferent 10 May 2014 17: 32
    +1
    I agree that complete nonsense! Already reading is unpleasant! Let the Kazakhs read it!
  21. Argyn-suindyk
    Argyn-suindyk 10 May 2014 17: 32
    +3
    Good article! And who as she perceives it is a question! The fifth column is gloating, like this one:
    Quote: danperevera
    fake generals of the amusing army of an artificially created country

    Or like these shortsighted jingoistic patriots, as always, found a stone in their garden like this one, for example:
    Quote: Alexey N
    I have often noticed that they look at Russia as a threat, and not an ally. I wonder what rank this general went in the Soviet army?

    The general complains about corruption and not a farsighted personnel policy in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, but the combat efficiency of the Ukrainian army is given as an example.
    And here it is:
    Quote: Giant thought
    He seems to regret that everything went without a slaughter in the Crimea. A wonderful example of a veiled anti-Russian attitude, just a little more and we will be to blame for all the troubles of the Kazakh army.

    Yes, the site rating is not higher than Maylovsky, its commentators-experts above pull it down. Most branches on the VO are slipping into the ethnic community. Keep it up!
  22. mackonya
    mackonya 10 May 2014 17: 33
    +5
    "... almost en masse Ukrainian servicemen went over to the Russian side ...", excuse me, Mr. General, but what kind of "transition" are we talking about? If you have forgotten a little, I will remind you of the text of our oath in Kazakhstan.
    "I, a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan (surname, name, patronymic), joining the ranks of the Armed Forces, I take the oath and solemnly swear to the last breath to be loyal to the people of Kazakhstan and its legally elected President, to sacredly observe the Constitution and laws of my sovereign state." And now let's analyze: to be loyal to the people - here I would especially like to emphasize, because even if the high command is destroyed, all headquarters and even reserve channels will be destroyed - a soldier must protect the people, since the Constitution of the Republic of Kazakhstan says that only the people are the source of power; then the oath speaks of the loyalty of the LEGALLY elected president (if suddenly someone forgot, while the current president of the Republic of Ukraine is V.F. Yanukovych); then the oath speaks of loyalty to the Constitution (if anyone has forgotten after the agreement of February 22, the constitutional reform has not yet been carried out, well, they say conditionally that there will be a Constitution in the 2004 version). Well, in conclusion, the "drum roll" in the oath speaks of loyalty to the laws of a sovereign state, since in Ukraine, speaking in the legal language of international law, a de facto coup d'etat took place and the "authorities" are now not elected at all, but rather "representatives" of external forces (State Department, Bundestag, Polish Foreign Ministry, etc.), then what kind of sovereign state are we talking about. (In all cases, the definition of Sovereignty (fr. souveraineté [1] - supreme power, supremacy, domination [2]) is the independence of the state in external and supremacy in internal affairs [3]. Free, independent of any external forces, the supremacy of state power - yes it is from Wikipedia information). And why, as you say, the Crimean military personnel "switched" to the RF Armed Forces, then there is an elementary logic, they were called up at the place of registration, since the place of registration has changed, the citizen becomes liable for military service under the law of another state.

    - I have the honor!
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk 10 May 2014 17: 55
      +4
      The text of our oath in no way refers to the problems raised in the article. In every country there are skeletons in the closet that are kept there on good subsidies like for example. The North Caucasus in Russia or at gunpoint as for example. Kurds in Turkey and Uighurs and Tibet in China, etc. In this case, in Ukraine, these skeletons already fell out and the general’s mistake in the article was that the problem of the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army and its demoralization (split in society and self-awareness of the people) are two different things! Otherwise, the general says the matter.
      1. mackonya
        mackonya 11 May 2014 12: 28
        0
        I did not read the whole article, because the very title of the article was an "axiom". I only read the beginning, namely about the "transition" of Ukrainian servicemen to the ranks of the RF Armed Forces, and wrote a "comment". Therefore, of course, the text of the oath does not apply to the problems that are voiced in the article.
  23. sokrat7
    sokrat7 10 May 2014 18: 01
    +2
    I hardly read this article. Frankly, I did not like it. Comrade General does not understand the main thing. The commanders of platoons, companies, battalions and sometimes regiments are the personnel ladder along which officers go, depending on their professional qualities. But generals are already a product of the system. That is why none of the generals in Ukraine stopped the junta. That is why none of the generals stopped the coup in the USSR.
  24. fbn
    fbn 10 May 2014 18: 13
    +1
    I served in the Kazakhstan Army for 94 years. I fully support the opinion of the general. This article should be read by our military, who you are in society, your goals and objectives, the meaning of your \ our \ existence. The Army is not a company with high earnings, is a place of service to the motherland.
    1. tomket
      tomket 10 May 2014 20: 34
      +2
      There are two options for the behavior of the army and the generals, the first is the type of Egyptian, when the army became one of the parties to the civil conflict, and it was a third, separate force, with a decisive superiority of arguments in their favor, in the form of Apaches and Abrams, or the army accepts an illegal new power, albeit slowly, as is happening in Ukraine. It is not clear in what form this general would like to contemplate the army, but I think that most likely in the first, as long as we are observing a very sluggish second option. Although formally the Ukrainian military could have long ago entered Kiev to suppress the rebellion. Since the nominal commander in chief of Ukraine is still Yanukovych, and not Turchinov, therefore, the Crimean military had no reason to follow orders coming from other than Yanukovych, therefore, it was precisely those who switched to Kiev who violated the oath, hence the conclusion that the orders from Kiev were executed, as well as self-removal from the arrest or destruction of the Kiev junta put the Ukrainian army in the rank of the sworn and traitors of their homeland. Well, Ukrainians are not the first time.
  25. sokrat7
    sokrat7 10 May 2014 18: 21
    +6
    And in addition, relatively complete cavalier of the A. Becker medal. I also have this medal, though one. So what? To get it, do not commit heroic deeds. It was enough to be in good standing with the regiment command. And that’s all. It’s not a secret to anyone that basically it was hanged on its chest by the political officers from the battalion and higher, the regimental unit and very rarely it went to the company. I got it when I was a company.
  26. leo1542
    leo1542 10 May 2014 19: 02
    +2
    mackonya. You are right, the President of Ukraine, as the supreme commander in chief, was obliged to restore constitutional order and protect the population of his country from banditry and fascist fellows.
  27. sv68
    sv68 10 May 2014 19: 23
    +5
    twenty-five again. according to its rights, general corruption in any army in the world should be destroyed in the most cruel way and punished as a betrayal of the state, because of damage caused by corruption in uniform, and genealogy is not right in Crimea, Russia and Kazakhstan are not enemies and do not want we don’t wish the Kazakhs friends any trouble and the collapse of your country — only a very stupid and narrow-minded person wants to make muck for a neighbor who doesn’t understand that he will throw a stone in his garden. Crimea simply returned to where his place is to Russia. you are not an enemy and do not need the opinions of fools demanding to select one or another territory to be considered an official opinion and a decision of the leadership and people of Russia
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 May 2014 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: sv68
      twenty-five again. according to its rights, general corruption in any army in the world should be destroyed in the most cruel way and punished as a betrayal of the state, because of damage caused by corruption in uniform, and genealogy is not right in Crimea, Russia and Kazakhstan are not enemies and do not want we don’t wish the Kazakhs friends any trouble and the collapse of your country — only a very stupid and narrow-minded person wants to make muck for a neighbor who doesn’t understand that he will throw a stone in his garden. Crimea simply returned to where his place is to Russia. you are not an enemy and do not need the opinions of fools demanding to select one or another territory to be considered an official opinion and a decision of the leadership and people of Russia

      Ukrainians have nowhere closer to you people, and some write that even one people, but that did not stop them from squeezing Crimea and attempts to do the same in SEI. Especially in the Russian Federation, voices are constantly heard about the injustice of the accession of some areas during the formation of the KazSSR, and these are the votes of not the latest people in the Russian Federation. So the general is right, if you want peace, keep the gunpowder dry, painfully strange and surprising things began to happen in the world.
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  29. Alex_Zlat
    Alex_Zlat 10 May 2014 20: 52
    +1
    Quote: Scandinavian
    With all due respect to the general, I did not like the general’s rhetoric that Russia has overcome Crimea from Ukraine. Is it not clear what would happen to Crimea if two months ago Crimea was not protected. Enough for an annexation pattern. HISTORICAL REUNION HAPPENED !!!

    IT IS POSSIBLE to understand this RHETORIC from P. INDOS from the WESTERN, this is their work, but YOU CAN’T tolerate YOURSELF, it is necessary to repulse with replicas, facts and arguments.

    Yes. I also didn’t like it, the father of Belarus pronounces the same rhetoric. It feels like they were saddened that Russia would stare at their independence and take their unfortunate people to their borders, and they themselves would lose their hatched warm seats! This is my feeling. IMHO, as they say. Found, damn it, who are afraid!
  30. natsyk
    natsyk 10 May 2014 22: 00
    0
    Quote: Alexey N
    But all of them took the oath of allegiance to Ukraine.

    And the fact that they swore before this USSR is nothing? However, they are oiled in one world.

    I didn’t refuse the oath taken !!!! 77-79 year
    but in my letter to the PRESIDENT, his mongrel replied, FREE!
    for reference ESPECIALLY FUCKED OFFICERS !!! - THERE IS ANOTHER AND SOLDIER HONOR !!!!!
  31. ASSARU
    ASSARU 10 May 2014 22: 33
    +3
    Thank you dear for the article .. Judging by the shoulder straps, you honestly served our common homeland. Thank you for this. You are 100% right as a military man. I’ll only add that the point is not the demoralization of the Ukrainian army, but that they are soldiers and officers who do not want and will not fight with the Russians for any money or by order. And for that they’re low bow and respect. To all soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian army in the Crimea. Vladimir Vladimirovich said that without a single shot. This means thanks to everyone, including the soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian army. We are one country Kazakhs Ukrainians Russians.
  32. Const
    Const 10 May 2014 22: 39
    +1
    I put a plus for the frankly correct view of the problem of staffing the leadership of the Armed Forces. Only what does the Crimea and Ukraine. Suppose - in the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, talented followers of Suvorov, Kutuzov and other army commanders of a similar level. I don’t know how in other countries, but in Russia such generals could not get into the current situation in Ukraine by definition. Everything would have ended in January 2014. And Russia would not try to support sound, logical-minded forces in the country.
    1. tomket
      tomket 10 May 2014 22: 55
      +2
      Well, for example, take the same Suvorov. Pugachev raged, so to speak the Maidan of the times of Catherine II. What did Suvorov do? Did he remain indifferent to the fate of the state? Not at all. Exemplarily fulfilled the order of Empress Catherine. What saved Russia from the confusion of the 1605 model of the year. Well, the general now complains about the demoralization of the generals. Well, the stump is clear, because he was beheaded in February. And the fact that the generals were famous bribe takers and corrupt officials was what we have known since Menshikov. But only Menshikov, though he was stealing, could serve the fatherland, but the Ukrainian generals were not able to find the courage in February to suppress the ripening troubles, nor now they lack the spirit to outweigh the junta. A shame.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 11 May 2014 11: 05
        +4
        Quote: tomket
        Well, for example, take the same Suvorov. Pugachev raged, so to speak the Maidan of the times of Catherine II. What did Suvorov do? Did he remain indifferent to the fate of the state ?.

        How did Catherine -2 come to power, accidentally not entering the coup? And what did Suvorov do in this case? Did Pugachev call for the secession of part of the Republic of Ingushetia, and were there any calls from him to introduce the army of a foreign state into the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia? And of course, as a general, he performed well the military unit of the company to suppress the Pugachev region.
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  33. corn
    corn 10 May 2014 23: 51
    +3
    Quote from the general:
    "... fools learn from their mistakes, and smart ones from strangers."
    My quote question is: Are smarts learning from fools?
    Quote from the general:
    "... pity for one villain will lead to the death of tens and hundreds of innocent people."
    My quote question is: How to identify a villain? (This is an emotional assessment that is not permissible for a senior officer).
    Quote from the general:
    "... A real officer is like a bone in the throat for dullness. Because against his background, the narrowness and professional unsuitability of a person without a military" bone "is immediately striking.
    According to this quote, there are already two questions: Is the real one who is stupid and brave? or two: 1. Dosinya is shaven, slightly drunk and can distinguish Bach from Feuerbach. 2.Slightly shaven, drunk and unable to distinguish Edita Piekha from "go on ..." This means that dullness and a military bone are different concepts.
    Quote from the general:
    "... we are losing the moral authority of the title" general "and what is commonly called the honor of a general."
    There is no concept of general's honor, as well as the concept of "junior officer" and "older officer", there is the concept of "officer's honor", because. the entire officer corps consists of junior (lieutenants, captains), senior (majors, lieutenant colonels, colonels) and higher (generals, marshals) officers and, most interestingly, they are all soldiers.
    When the general discusses the demoralization of the army, he, in my opinion, has no idea that there are criminal orders and there is a criminal article in Russian law, and in Soviet law, I think that there is one in Kazakh too.
  34. Papania
    Papania 11 May 2014 05: 52
    +1
    And is everything good with us? The same problems?
  35. nerovnayadoroga
    nerovnayadoroga 11 May 2014 13: 05
    0
    In my opinion, everything is obvious here, when a hungry soldier thinks about a piece of bread for his family, and the general about rest on the Canaries with his mistress.
  36. dkflbvbh
    dkflbvbh 11 May 2014 14: 42
    -3
    The first swallows twitched. How many Russian land was slaughtered in Kazakhstan? It's time to remember the words of the song "Lyuba" - give your darling back.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 May 2014 15: 36
      +1
      Quote: dkflbvbh
      The first swallows twitched. How many Russian land was slaughtered in Kazakhstan? It's time to remember the words of the song "Lyuba" - give your darling back.

      back to you? laughing moderators pay attention to the calls of non-traditional sex on the site.
      1. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 11 May 2014 16: 39
        -5
        Shaw squirmed on a stool ????
        1. Argyn-suindyk
          Argyn-suindyk 11 May 2014 19: 43
          +4
          And you already have a liquid stool!
    2. Guard
      Guard 11 May 2014 22: 02
      +2
      Quote: dkflbvbh
      How many Russian zemlitsa were cut to Kazakhstan?

      how much? which one? when?
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  37. Saratoga833
    Saratoga833 11 May 2014 15: 59
    0
    In a purely military sense, the general is right, sincerely worried about building the army as such. Judging by the article, he does not accept bribery in all its manifestations, does not tolerate unprofessional upstarts and nepotism. In my opinion, in this he is 100% right. But as soon as he starts to get involved in politics - here I completely disagree with him! And Russia is an aggressor, has occupied Crimea by its aggressive nature, and Kazakhstan is threatened, and China is aiming at Kazakhstan to fight. In general, full of fear pants. Thinks only in PURE MILITARY categories. I have always been firmly convinced that the military should not be allowed to political power! An example is Grachev. There was a division commander - he became a Hero of the Soviet Union, became minister of defense - turned into a Pasha-Mercedes. Result: the first half of the article is "plus", the second half is "minus".