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Kramatorsk chronicles. Xnumx

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The city is still ours.

We are all practically without weapons. Most of the defencists who had weapons and who knew how to use them were in Slavyansk. Two groups remained, in the building of the Security Service of Ukraine and in the executive committee.

When the military entered the armored personnel carriers, the people turned them around. CSKA tried to take the SBU, with a swoop failed. But the army was not particularly eager to fight. There was a shootout, they immediately moved away. A hot meeting was prepared on the executive committee, but the military did not go there.

The fact that the National Guard did not go - lucky. Punisher would hardly have been able to wrap with his bare hands. But warriors still have a human.

Few weapons. No grenade launchers. The main part is well aware that if the punishers enter the city, we will get a second Odessa. There are residents who openly panic, but basically we all understand that there will be nowhere to retreat and have to fight what you have.

There are rumors about the Crimean battalions that are coming to us. We very much hope that they will have a weapon that they can give us.

After Odessa inside, something broke. It is understood that this will be a war to the end. But nothing has changed, we made our choice. We want to live under the tricolor, no matter under what - white-blue-red or black-blue-red. Just not under the two-color cloth. She is in the blood.

Semenovku actually destroyed. Smashed the school, according to unconfirmed data, three children died. Smashed madhouse. Worked artillery.

Privatbank refused to pay money in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. The directors of the factories did a great job, they immediately began working through the ticket office. We 80% sitting on the privat.

Neither offices nor ATMs work. And pensioners in general all received retirement only through privat. By phone from the central office they offer to go to another area and shoot there. Checkpoints do not care about them.

In supermarkets and shops, everything is spread out. Almost no vegetables. Flour, sugar, salt disappeared. Pasta, cereals while there. Alcohol shaft, but at this time is not relevant.

No gasoline. Gas stations closed. Urban transport does not go. After the shooting events in general, no one wants to drive cars. Whether they take them away or shoot them.

Today, people who said that they were from a guard ran along the Kramatorsk and suburbs. Allegedly, in order to transfer pensions to another bank, they required a passport. And then they vomited. The people organized themselves and sat in ambushes. In the end, caught two. We passed them to the SBU, I think that later I will tell you what they are and how.

Information came from Slavyansk that blood is very much needed. There was a waiting list at the hospital. Will deliver through the field. Slavyansk tightly.

TV tower is disabled. All information is taken from the Internet and on satellites, who have.

Hope to help Russia is gradually extinguished. We understand that this is not the Crimea, Putin is unlikely to send troops here. But still hope.

Our reason is this: if Russia does not help, we will not care. It's a matter of time. Or in battle now, or under the knife of a banderlog afterwards. But we will not let burn and poison ourselves as in Odessa. It is better with a bottle on the armored personnel carrier. Or something else. But mercy is not worth waiting, it is clear to all. So let's hope for the best and keep the city.

We are not beasts that can be burned, poisoned and chopped with axes. This is exactly the beast does. We are Russians.
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  1. DDW
    DDW 6 May 2014 06: 25
    +51
    Recently, the yellow-black flag is largely associated with the word fascism. It is unfortunate that numerous groups of young animals are pushing people's opinion on this very idea ...
    1. Horde
      Horde 6 May 2014 07: 25
      +20
      Hope to help Russia is gradually extinguished. We understand that this is not the Crimea, Putin is unlikely to send troops here. But still hope.


      how unpleasant it is to read this, why is Putin not helping his people?
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 6 May 2014 07: 59
        -47%
        Quote: Horde
        how unpleasant it is to read this, why is Putin not helping his people?
        Because it is not beneficial to the interests of big business! Capitalism is not Soviet power for you!
        1. aleks 62
          aleks 62 6 May 2014 13: 35
          +12
          ... You can’t measure everything for money ...
          1. GRune
            GRune 6 May 2014 20: 01
            +3
            Money is measured by pindosniki, geyropa, creative class + oligarchy, both here and here ...
            1. liberty
              liberty 8 May 2014 16: 29
              0
              in the government of the Russian Federation is not the oligarchy sitting?
          2. liberty
            liberty 8 May 2014 16: 28
            0
            The days when you could say that are gone. The world is changing, but not for the better.
        2. acute
          acute 8 May 2014 11: 00
          0
          In vain, the man was bombarded. He is right in something. Our government does not need self-organized workers. They do not represent capital. They are slowly starting to merge. postpone referendum, no help. Forgive us. As we were mute, we remained. Russia is weak so far, we did not pull on a full-scale confrontation. First, people were shown the lure, and then they threw it
          1. For Russia
            For Russia 8 May 2014 21: 02
            -3
            that's for sure .. no one will wait for help. Putin merges the Donbass along the way. it's a pity!
        3. Bugor
          Bugor 9 May 2014 12: 23
          0
          Do you know HOW to help? Do you really have more information and leverage than the KGB colonel? The entry of troops? This is just a war. Those who now sympathize with the Russian Federation in Ukraine will take up arms against the Russian Federation. And I would do that, at least someone has brought a soldier into Russia. GDP is waiting. Waiting. Waiting ...
          And then THOSE will fall out, why again we will be proud of the country.
          Russia is focusing. Do you know who said that?
      2. CIANIT
        CIANIT 6 May 2014 08: 06
        +23
        Indeed, why Russia is not helping at least with a humanitarian load. We help all Papuans with earthquakes of all kinds, but here they can’t help their own. We’d have thought of something already. It’s like with all Crimea .... anyway.
        1. feanor
          feanor 6 May 2014 09: 24
          +14
          In Crimea, the situation was different, firstly in the Crimea, and so there was a significant grouping of our troops, which was able to crush the entire Ukrainian army, and secondly there was an element of surprise, now it will be necessary to bring in troops because there are no our troops on mainland Ukraine, and these are other pies from the side of international law (although this right is already a corpse, like the UN), as well as the entry of Russian troops into the territory of the South-East, NATO forces will be in the western and central parts.
          1. biznaw
            biznaw 6 May 2014 23: 13
            +4
            But do not you think that the majority is looking forward to when NATO is rocking, waiting since the time of the bombing of Serbia, the bill has accumulated a long time, here Odessa has been added, so it’s not NATO to scare us
            1. feanor
              feanor 8 May 2014 11: 40
              0
              Quote: biznaw
              But do not you think that the majority is looking forward to when NATO is rocking, waiting since the time of the bombing of Serbia, the bill has accumulated a long time, here Odessa has been added, so it’s not NATO to scare us

              Of course, I apologize, but most of those who are waiting for NATO to "rock the boat" are sitting on the couch and, apart from scratching their butt, do nothing physically, but someone will have to fight then, will the couch waiters do it? I think no.
          2. Jrvin
            Jrvin 7 May 2014 02: 20
            +4
            And who asks to introduce an army in the literal sense of the word? Enter a "masked army" under the guise of peaceful militias, throw groups across the border (fortunately, we have a common one), everything can be easily pushed under the guise of helping the Cossacks to the Cossacks, or even push through in silence, there are people who can be entrusted with this.
          3. Suhow
            Suhow 7 May 2014 02: 27
            0
            the fighting in places is active, and that means coffins, they won’t add fraternal affection. We say that there (Slavyanskit) Russian specialists and criminals, I’m trying to argue, but mostly it’s useless business.
            1. acute
              acute 8 May 2014 11: 07
              0
              So what's your advice? Ordinary people who don't even get close to bandits. how should they be? There was only one way out for them. you go to any Ukrainian site. There are all around to kill Colorado and quilted jackets. They are to blame for everything. Where do you order them to go after Odessa? Therefore, you have a huge minus for "criminals and specialists." It is good to give advice seeing the fight from the side
        2. Artyom
          Artyom 6 May 2014 11: 53
          +10
          For invasion, Putin needs at least a kind of legitimacy of actions, or more bloody events! The referendum on the federalization of the south-western regions, which should be held on May 11, can give legitimacy! or the use of a junta of massively heavy weapons - such as tanks, hail systems, or bombing by air with massive casualties, so that no one would have doubts about such casualties!
          1. GRune
            GRune 6 May 2014 20: 02
            +2
            Yanek’s return could also give a certain legitimacy, but he seems to be burning with a desire to substitute ...
            1. Suhow
              Suhow 7 May 2014 02: 29
              +2
              Yanyk after a shameful flight tries not needed.
          2. acute
            acute 8 May 2014 11: 15
            0
            It was not necessary to lure people to the path of struggle and encourage. Beckoned and abandoned, but people are dying
        3. smile
          smile 6 May 2014 14: 39
          +8
          CIANIT
          Do not worry, help will be. Everything speaks about it. and the actions of our troops on the borders with SEI, and the formation of Crimean volunteers and even statements by Kadyrov and Ossetians. By the way, no one wondered where the MANPADS were in Slavyansk? Of course, I don’t know where they came from, but since I don’t have information about where they came from, there are suspicions .... positive. :))) Still, weapons are such that you can’t buy weapons in the market, but if you buy, then the price is such ..... If the militiamen got to the local warehouses where such weapons are stored, then they would have already had a lot of riflemen, however, the militias clearly have fewer weapons and RPGs.
          And in general, the consistent actions of the Russian leadership indicate that we will not abandon SE. There is no reason to state the opposite. We simply have no other choice.
          1. biznaw
            biznaw 6 May 2014 23: 16
            +1
            There was a story about confiscation from ukrovoyak of several pieces during the first counter-terrorist operation.
          2. Jrvin
            Jrvin 7 May 2014 02: 22
            +1
            The 25th brigade of paratroopers is armed with them + they have the same anti-tank things, no matter how it is one of the most combat-ready units of the Ukrainian army, and by the way it went over to the side of the people.
          3. Suhow
            Suhow 7 May 2014 02: 31
            +1
            Yes, for PZRK very strict control. It is very easy to get it very ...
        4. acute
          acute 8 May 2014 11: 12
          -2
          We do not help because they wait when they are killed, so that later they arrange verbal battles from the USA and Europe. we ran out of steam, and our government does not need workers who have risen to defend themselves. Some pathos sayings about brothers. All this is scary. Forgive us southeast
          1. feanor
            feanor 8 May 2014 11: 36
            +1
            Quote: akut
            We do not help because they wait when they are killed, so that later they arrange verbal battles from the USA and Europe. we ran out of steam, and our government does not need workers who have risen to defend themselves. Some pathos sayings about brothers. All this is scary. Forgive us southeast

            Why does everyone think that he is smarter than Putin and thinking with emotions does not think at all, but what will we do next, after we send troops to Ukraine?
      3. nika407
        nika407 6 May 2014 13: 16
        +6
        I repeat. I don’t know, maybe it’s horror stories again from the puppeteer director, but ...
        1. nika407
          nika407 6 May 2014 13: 21
          +12
          and more volunteers
        2. acute
          acute 8 May 2014 11: 17
          -2
          So where are they? They can not be heard and not seen, and peaceful dozens die every day
      4. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 6 May 2014 14: 46
        +9
        But God knows what ... Maybe he doesn’t want to climb at random and is waiting for our referendum to legally introduce it. It is incomprehensible ... But you see that blue Europe draws forces to the borders of Russia and our dol.bana Ukraine
      5. BIGLESHIY
        BIGLESHIY 6 May 2014 15: 36
        -1
        Quote: Horde
        Hope to help Russia is gradually extinguished. We understand that this is not the Crimea, Putin is unlikely to send troops here. But still hope.


        how unpleasant it is to read this, why is Putin not helping his people?

        Why doesn’t it help? It even helps, Taburetkin gave an amnesty.
        And if it’s honest, then he himself doesn’t know what to do. It’s impossible for everyone to be good, but you don’t want to quarrel with America and Europe, he’s waiting. Although after Odessa you can poop on the world community and rub it into powder, burn it, rot the law-breakers - banderlogs and all kinds of mercenaries throughout Ukropia. During this time, it was possible to create a Volunteer Army of Mercenaries (wanting countless numbers), arm even with not the most modern weapons, legally disown them (we didn’t organize themselves) and send them into battle .
      6. okunevich_rv
        okunevich_rv 7 May 2014 04: 04
        +1
        I dare to suggest that as soon as the resistance has weapons, it will prompt resistance to action and blood will flow from both sides of the river from both the resistance and the Ukrainian army, while the pravoseki will stand by and carry out stripping, namely looting. Thus, in order for the army to have no reason to fight weapons with the civilian population and not to transfer them, the fighters are mostly normal guys, with only their brains, but they can distinguish between armed and unarmed in a state that, moreover, everything is practically live.
        Hold on, everything will change very soon.
        1. acute
          acute 8 May 2014 11: 23
          0
          They are told "hold on" for two months. But this is not the Brest Fortress. There is no war, as it were, but people were locked in a ring and exterminated systematically
      7. Archon
        Archon 7 May 2014 14: 55
        +2
        tell me how to send humanitarian aid to Ukraine? and where is it collected?
      8. sokol52
        sokol52 7 May 2014 16: 53
        0
        I understand that it may be too early now, But if in the end Russia does not bring in troops and stop these fascists, I will be ashamed that I live in Russia and that I am Russian Unfortunately, my age does not allow me to go to Ukraine and help strangle all this bastard. It's not about nationality, I have two closest friends, Ukrainians, and they are also shocked by these events. But where are our "glorious Cossacks" who are so fond of waving a sword at the holidays. Here's a reason to show what you really are. And if not, then plug your tongue in f ... y and do not yap.
    2. Validator
      Validator 6 May 2014 10: 11
      +15
      As the practice of recent days has shown, the Khunyut periodically has an irresistible desire to ride around Kramatorsk in several armored personnel carriers. We need an ambush group with several RPGs and machine guns so that they have such a hunt
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 6 May 2014 12: 31
        +6
        Quote: Validator
        We need an ambush group with several RPGs and machine guns so that they have such a hunt

        In fact, can an unidentified transport aircraft not be able to drop several containers of humanitarian aid to the defenders of Kramatorsk?
        1. uhu189
          uhu189 6 May 2014 12: 44
          +6
          This plane will be shot down when crossing the airspace of Ukraine, and the news will say that it was a bomber or a scout. On our passenger liners in the sky over Ukraine, GPS is already turned off, and the Glonass satellites have already muffled for 5 hours - they have demonstrated the possibilities (therefore, you can send such an aircraft only for slaughter - it will not bring anyone any good, but there will be a lot of harm
          1. Michael_59
            Michael_59 6 May 2014 16: 43
            +1
            Quote: uhu189
            and the GLONASS satellites have already drowned once for 5 hours


            Where can I learn more about this?
            1. uhu189
              uhu189 6 May 2014 17: 01
              0
              There was an article at the end of March even where they wrote that at the same time 5 satellites were out of order, of which 4 for half an hour and one at 5 hours, all by mistake. And in early March, satellites tried to turn off the transponders from the territory of Ukraine, there was also a message
              1. Michael_59
                Michael_59 6 May 2014 21: 53
                0
                Quote: uhu189
                Was at the end of March to become

                I see. Thanks. I am familiar with the materials.

                But this is an assumption, no more.
          2. Suhow
            Suhow 7 May 2014 02: 34
            0
            and sho Russia to jam their jeepes weakly ??
        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 6 May 2014 13: 37
          +4
          ..... The idea is good, but the air defense of the junta does not sleep ...
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          2. smart Fox
            smart Fox 7 May 2014 14: 03
            +1
            Yesterday late at night there was an infa that saboteurs cut off the air defense system in the Luhansk region, and a land border at some crossing was cracked there several days earlier. What is it for? I don’t know the truth is no?
        3. okunevich_rv
          okunevich_rv 7 May 2014 04: 15
          +3
          Do not forget, dear, until recently, Russia and Ukraine have worked very closely on the military-industrial complex, and how to bring down an airplane in Ukraine, it’s necessary to act finer, smarter probably. The GDP is strong in this, we will tolerate it until its wise decision, very bright heads are behind it, just believe me.
          1. dalekiy
            dalekiy 7 May 2014 17: 22
            +1
            How I would like to believe it. I personally had complaints about GDP, but Crimea is the moment of truth. Not everything, then, is unambiguous there. And even now, for all the "criticism" I personally sneeze according to the laws of wartime, so to speak. Now I understand that I was unfair to him. In general, I hope you are right. It looks like he has a good team. And everything, as Stirlitz said, is just beginning.
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    3. Manul
      Manul 6 May 2014 11: 09
      +6
      Quote: DDW
      Recently, the yellow-black flag is largely associated with the word fascism. It is unfortunate that numerous groups of young animals are pushing people's opinion on this very idea ...

      And from the sight of a trident, fists clench and teeth grind ...
      From the article, the tears in his eyes came up .. Lord help them! If only they had weapons to protect their lives .. or at least the honor and the right to be a Russian person. Where are the battalions from the Crimea? There is such hope on them .. There is no strength to hope for another yet.
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      2. okunevich_rv
        okunevich_rv 7 May 2014 04: 20
        +2
        I dare not to reproach, the flag of Ukraine is not a trident, but a diving falcon, Ukraine dived towards its goal for a long time, it’s regrettable to notice mother’s land (not plowed, no seed, irrigated by the blood of sons and daughters).
      3. dalekiy
        dalekiy 7 May 2014 17: 25
        0
        Nothing, brother. We tolerate, although it is difficult to endure. I have the same feeling from a trident. Forever now he is connected for me with reprisals against the Odessa martyrs.
    4. 16101955
      16101955 6 May 2014 14: 42
      +9
      Here are the flags of those countries that support fascism ...
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 6 May 2014 17: 42
        +1
        Quote: 16101955
        Here are the flags of those countries that support fascism ...

        There are more flags.
  2. mamont5
    mamont5 6 May 2014 06: 39
    +27
    Yes, there is some kind of doom stamp on the city. But the fighting spirit. If only our help would be planted: weapons with power supplies, food, water, medicines.
  3. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 6 May 2014 06: 41
    +9
    Hang on guys ...
    There is nothing more to say. The further the situation develops, the clearer and clearer it becomes clear that there will be no peaceful settlement. There is no one to talk to in Kiev. A gang of scumbags drunken revelations, she is a gang. And it doesn’t matter - you are driving from Kiev or running along the fields with a machine gun in the area of ​​Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
    Scum torment Ukraine and its normal inhabitants.
  4. mirag21x
    mirag21x 6 May 2014 06: 57
    +21
    Yes, that's right, it is animals, I think even worse ... !!! Eyes fill with tears, and hands itch, oh how itchy ...! I literally feel with skin, how shitty it is there ... Now I clearly understand why our citizens were so eager to go to the front during World War II ... Misfortune unites Russian people, and this is our common misfortune, our Russians are there ... Hold on, brothers , soon something should happen, I don’t know what, I intuitively feel ... I need to hold on !!!
    1. Wels75
      Wels75 6 May 2014 07: 58
      +9
      I will join what has been said. The heart aches from such words. Hang on, people, Russian people. I think Russia will not leave you. Bear with a little. Cossacks have arrived. Chechens may do. Not for nothing because Avakovskaya screams that the Chechens are in Slavyansk.
      Death to fascism. Victory will be ours!!!
    2. Good cat
      Good cat 6 May 2014 08: 40
      +6
      Do not insult animals!
  5. Igor39
    Igor39 6 May 2014 06: 59
    +4
    Is there information about the state of the border in Lugansk? They said that she was under control. What about the warehouses with WWII weapons? It worries that the guys have no weapons.
    1. smile
      smile 6 May 2014 14: 46
      0
      Igor39
      On the site, someone posted, in my opinion, reliable information that it seems that the Luhansk militiamen were disarming the border posts, which, after disarming, were sent "home". So, the border is not completely locked. :)))
  6. Orel
    Orel 6 May 2014 07: 04
    +9
    Of course, the Russian troops are not worth the wait. But if you can take control of the checkpoint at the border, then I’m sure that you will have enough volunteers, and even with the combat experience of wars in the Caucasus. Many in Rostov-on-Don have a relative in the east of Ukraine and I am sure that they will not leave them. With weapons, medicines and intelligence, I hope our special services will be able to help, but for now you have to fight back yourself ...
    1. Cormorants
      Cormorants 6 May 2014 12: 40
      +3
      I agree, an urgent need for a corridor for people and weapons.
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    3. smile
      smile 6 May 2014 15: 01
      +2
      Orel
      The corridor is already there. Yesterday took control of the village in Yuganovka. So that help will be.

      https://vk.com/donbass_res
  7. Barboskin
    Barboskin 6 May 2014 07: 09
    +3
    The troops are not very eager for battle, then they could give up weapons. It would be something from the National Guard and law enforcement officers to dismiss.
  8. zakidon73
    zakidon73 6 May 2014 07: 19
    +5
    How to contact these guys, I would give them a couple of three recipes for organizing protective equipment ... from what is at hand. Nobody knows?
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 6 May 2014 08: 01
      +3
      Quote: zakidon73
      How to contact these guys, I would give them a couple of three recipes for organizing protective equipment ... from what is at hand. Nobody knows?
      look for vkontakte, classmates, facebook!
      1. zakidon73
        zakidon73 6 May 2014 08: 44
        +3
        Searched, now everything is there - from provocateurs to security officials. And it’s not clear who you run into. Thank you, still joking.
    2. hommer
      hommer 6 May 2014 08: 13
      +13
      try here - https://vk.com/donbass_res

      Write to the administrator, he will throw it to someone you need, your message will be deleted so that Natsik will not read it.
      I threw off a couple of tips, thanks, but the guys there are sensible themselves know a lot of things. But it will not be superfluous.
      You know how our even such support means a lot to them!
      1. zakidon73
        zakidon73 6 May 2014 08: 45
        0
        And how to write to the administrator?
        1. hommer
          hommer 6 May 2014 09: 30
          +1
          First, turn to any free, relevant discussion directly to him. He will give the coordinates.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 6 May 2014 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: zakidon73
      How to contact these guys

      Write to Roman (Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee) (in PM) - one of the authors. He probably knows. hi
    4. andrey0907
      andrey0907 6 May 2014 20: 45
      0
      Come here. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ He seems to have a connection.
  9. Varang42
    Varang42 6 May 2014 07: 39
    +14
    what to say, hard there, hold on ... across Russia and what it will do ... just leave it here ..
    "The difference between prominent politicians and statesmen of the Russian Empire, the USSR, and finally the Russian Federation from the" civilized "fraternity has always been in the leisurely decision-making, the absence of unnecessary unnecessary" pathos "and loud statements not backed up by real actions .. Even Khrushch rubbed his slipper in the UN Security Council completely could "answer" for his words about "Kuzkina's mother" ...
    but what to say about the great ... "Europe will wait .. until the Russian Tsar is fishing" Alexander III ...
    The hysteria from "The deathly silence of the Russian barbarians" is symptomatic for the "civilized" ... because in this case, relying on historical experience, they anticipate ... the arrival of the "furry northern animal" for them remains a mystery in what form it will appear at the given moment. .. "
  10. Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 6 May 2014 07: 57
    +17
    And what will happen if Putin does not help? That we have a president with the name not Putin and not Medvedev? Once again I will ask what we really do to change the situation. That everyone went to rest in the Crimea, no, everyone is still eating in Turkey, Egypt in Europe. That we quit smoking cigarettes of American brands, stopped going to McDonalds and drink Coco Cola and other drinks made from powders brought from the USA. We refused beer from the Czech Republic and Germany and other European countries? We do not buy Rocher sweets? We do nothing, moreover, we also pay for all this.
    1. perm23
      perm23 6 May 2014 09: 15
      +13
      You are completely right. . We ourselves do nothing and do not wish to do. In Lipetsk, workers at the factory ROSHEN. Poroshenko’s money also works and is also deducted. Why the government does nothing yu. Why Switzerland has froze the accounts of Yanukovych, and we cannot help but pay Porshenok, and then I read that we will buy the military plant in Sevastopol from him. Some kind of absurdity. We all want everyone to see how honest and good we are. Yes, there will never be such a thing. They are not there, we will always be for the West - EVIL.
      1. Mother Theresa
        Mother Theresa 6 May 2014 10: 48
        +3
        About the plant in Sevastopol you completely killed me.
      2. Mother Theresa
        Mother Theresa 6 May 2014 10: 48
        +1
        About the plant in Sevastopol you completely killed me.
      3. biznaw
        biznaw 6 May 2014 23: 24
        0
        no one is going to buy the plant; they are going to sell it at auction; the proceeds will go to indemnify the Ukrainian citizens who suffered from the genocide organized by the junta.
        1. dalekiy
          dalekiy 7 May 2014 17: 37
          0
          It is only interesting how this transfer of funds will be organized? I want to say how will these funds be guaranteed to those to whom they are intended?
    2. Anatolich
      Anatolich 6 May 2014 11: 24
      +9
      That we quit smoking cigarettes of American brands, stopped going to McDonalds and drink Coco Cola and other drinks made from powders brought from the USA. We refused beer from the Czech Republic and Germany and other European countries? We do not buy Rocher sweets?
      I don’t smoke, I don’t go to McDonald’s (once it’s enough, I’m eating) and I don’t allow children, I don’t drink coca and other mucks, we take beer on tap, our beer or Chernihiv beer (while it’s being brought) although I rarely drink beer, maybe a couple of times a month, Of strong drinks, I prefer good peeled moonshine or cognac (on holidays or when guests arrive). So your claim is unfounded request
      1. Mother Theresa
        Mother Theresa 6 May 2014 12: 58
        +2
        My complaints are unfounded to you and to a few others, and we agree a minority.
        1. Passer
          Passer 6 May 2014 20: 57
          0
          ]
          Quote: Mother Teresa
          My complaints are unfounded to you and to a few others, and we agree a minority.

          A minority is still there, but the situation is already changing. Slowly but changing.
    3. Irokez
      Irokez 6 May 2014 12: 24
      +3
      Do not believe it. Some people do not use what you described and there are many of them.
      1. Mother Theresa
        Mother Theresa 6 May 2014 13: 06
        +10
        Standing in line at the store, passing by the magdonos, seeing how popular the resorts of Turkey and other countries are, I understand that we are very few. I go on vacation to Altai, the Urals, Karelia. And at work I have a reputation as an eccentric.
        1. ale-x
          ale-x 6 May 2014 15: 10
          +1
          You are not alone. Keep it up.
          1. I am proud of Russia
            I am proud of Russia 7 May 2014 08: 51
            +1
            Mother Teresa RU Yesterday, 13:06 ↑
            Standing in line at the store, passing by the magdonos, seeing how popular the resorts of Turkey and other countries are, I understand that we are very few. I go on vacation to Altai, the Urals, Karelia. And at work I have a reputation as an eccentric.

            ale-x SU Yesterday, 15:10 ↑
            You are not alone. Keep it up.

            Definitely you are not alone! There are a lot of such people in Russia.
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  11. gas113
    gas113 6 May 2014 08: 07
    +4
    Is it true that there are weapons storage facilities of WWII ??? There probably is something useful. Anti-tank rifles for example. There are no wooden parts in this weapon, ammunition from the KPVT should fit in the armored personnel carrier.
    "Anti-tank single-shot rifle arr. 1941 of the Degtyarev system (PTRD) [1] is a Soviet anti-tank rifle of the Degtyarev system, adopted on August 29, 1941. Intended to combat medium and light tanks and armored vehicles at distances up to 500 m. guns could fire on pillboxes / bunkers and firing points covered with armor at distances of up to 800 m and on aircraft at distances up to 500 m. "
    1. uhu189
      uhu189 6 May 2014 12: 49
      +1
      There are even mortars that Avakov got ahead of the militia, but according to the information that I found on the network, these depots are well guarded and well prepared for defense, they can’t be taken by storm with poorly armed militia - there will be a lot of people and the effect will not be achieved. According to rumors, part of the Ministry of Emergencies is loyal to Kiev. But this is not verified information.
  12. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 6 May 2014 08: 22
    +6
    It is necessary to help at least with humanitarian aid in the form of weapons and ammunition otherwise the Nazis will go wild! I hope that something will be solved above!
  13. Gagarin
    Gagarin 6 May 2014 08: 24
    +28
    Yesterday, my friend in Slavyansk killed her husband, 40 years old, two children were left, he was not even in the militia, but only went to help with water and food ...
    And in the evening, on Ukrainian television, they showed a picture of how the inhabitants of Slavyansk, captured by terrorists, prayed to the national guard not to leave and not to throw them at the mercy of the Russian invaders.
    AND THIS WILL BE LOOKED BY MILLIONS WHAT THEN THE RESULT CAN BE ???
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 May 2014 10: 03
      +11
      Quote: Gagarin
      And in the evening, on Ukrainian television, they showed a picture of how the inhabitants of Slavyansk, captured by terrorists, prayed to the national guard not to leave and not to throw them at the mercy of the Russian invaders.

      Oh! What is not shown on our TV! And they will shoot and play in front of the camera as it should, and it will not even be residents of Slavyansk. It can be like that “the first Armenian who died on the Maidan”, who even read Shevchenko, and then he was found in Odessa at a procession in “memory of the Heavenly Hundred,” although he was well disguised.
      Well, I do not believe our TV, they only set people up and lie on the orders of the owners!
    2. Suhow
      Suhow 7 May 2014 02: 43
      0
      nobody canceled the inform war and the results are good ..
  14. perm23
    perm23 6 May 2014 08: 47
    +3
    So all this. But to help someone. There are very few of them. Cities that do not rise, Not all the people - FOR. There are many inhabitants of men and nothing. They don’t want to fight, then go. If the people are ready, then the weapon will be. And so - hold on.
    1. avt
      avt 6 May 2014 09: 16
      +6
      Quote: perm23
      So all this. But to help someone. There are very few of them. Cities that do not rise, Not all the people - FOR.

      The whole nation is never FOR. There are enough people ready to take up arms to save their lives and loved ones. BUT! Two points. First, time was wasted for self-organization and arming self-defense, as a single, military structure under clear leadership with a specific plan of action, and the Nazis, waking up from the first fear of seizing buildings and seeing that the scenario is close to the Crimean one ... but there is simply no such scenario for the development of the protest movement , re-formed, gathered everything that was and threw it at practically unarmed people. Well, after Kiev, where they also burned people in the building, it was not clear ???? Was it possible to collect signatures for so long and stand in a camp without conducting active counter-sabotage measures ??? Now the second. And why is it actually so? And because of the betrayal of various communists in Ukraine, the parties of the regions, Dopa, Hepa, and the great coordinator without panties Tsarev! All of them, instead of organizing work and leading people into a specific battle, that they are nervously bleating from different tribunes about a united Ukraine, albeit not directly, but remember how the same Tsarev, and Wasserman, urged not to hold a referendum in Crimea , when it got really hot there and practically no step was left to clash with Dzhamilyov's Tatars. It's also all about the fact that the regions need to be tightened "bleated! It's sad, but the fact is that there is resistance, but there is some real center that united at least Lugansk with Donetsk and tightly, like in Crimea, who took power on the ground, there is no Smolny and such as Konstantinov, Aksenov, Chaly, in a really unified fist, to whose aid you can come with all your might. The network principle of MMM does not work here, it is no longer underground, here it is really people who are under bullets to behave and to be designated as their leader. there is simply a military and humanitarian catastrophe and the possibility of a military invasion of a neighboring state. Do you think so? Then answer yourself the question - why in response to events comes the name of Putin from Russia, and the protest movement in the East is not personified by anyone? Here is Kiev - Trupchinov at once , Yaytsenyukh, and in the East? Equivalent personalities immediately name?
      1. nika407
        nika407 6 May 2014 11: 50
        +3
        Now Tsarev decided to spend Victory Day, pull out the veterans. Promises them to provide protection. Probably from the cops, but is it necessary? Why should he not get down to business and organize the evacuation of residents, the delivery of food, and blood?
        1. muginov2015
          muginov2015 6 May 2014 18: 42
          0
          I no longer like Tsarev. money is the sea, so help realistically, if you want to be president, they will return a hundredfold after not rubbing! And so, syklo-eat fish and Kiev on ... do not sit
        2. Stone
          Stone 6 May 2014 19: 10
          0
          It seems like Tsarev was either collecting a convoy with humanitarian aid, or helping to collect it in Slavyansk.
      2. uhu189
        uhu189 6 May 2014 13: 00
        +2
        You just understand that no one was mentally prepared for the division of Ukraine. Each of the above politicians simply tried to maintain the unity of Ukraine (I do not justify them, I just try to understand the logic of the statements of the same Tsarev). And they did not immediately understand the events, but gradually. Crimea was immediately oriented towards leaving Ukraine, which is why they organized faster. It was clear to us here why everything was heading, in Ukraine itself it was far from obvious to everyone then, and even now. The organization of the militia is a very serious step on the road to secession from Ukraine, and the population should come to this, and there must be serious reasons for this. And do not forget to take into account the tough processing by the media.
  15. anfreezer
    anfreezer 6 May 2014 08: 52
    +5
    Ours argue this way: if Russia does not help, we don’t careIf this happens (and it should not happen) I will have a kapets in my soul, something will break .. And then I will not be able to explain our non-interference with the political and economic risks for the country ..
  16. disa
    disa 6 May 2014 08: 56
    +1
    Be patient, guys ... whatever it is now ... the Banderlog forces actually do not have a lot, they are nothing without an army ... keep in touch with the military, cleanse the right-wing people, do not touch the military if possible ... Russia will still fight for you, it's a matter of time, if you just assume that "Kiev won", ... then they will regroup and move to the Crimea, and here Russia will not go anywhere ... there will be a war ... hang on guys. This is only the first part of the "Marlezon ballet".
  17. Stiletto
    Stiletto 6 May 2014 09: 02
    +9
    If only not under a two-color rag. She is in the blood.

    - This is a true thought!

    Hope for Russia's help is fading.

    - But this is not good request
  18. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 6 May 2014 09: 19
    +3
    Quote: Horde
    Hope to help Russia is gradually extinguished. We understand that this is not the Crimea, Putin is unlikely to send troops here. But still hope.


    how unpleasant it is to read this, why is Putin not helping his people?

    It is clear why it does not help, big politics and economics! But after all, we have those units that can help, but they won’t even know about them, and there are a lot of weapons and ammunition in the warehouses, you can, at night, until the satellites see it, transport it there by civilian transport, and also, America openly aiding the fascists, Vova, it's time to hit the table with your fist!
  19. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 6 May 2014 09: 24
    +3
    Quote: disa
    Be patient, guys ... whatever it is now ... the Banderlog forces actually do not have a lot, they are nothing without an army ... keep in touch with the military, cleanse the right-wing people, do not touch the military if possible ... Russia will still fight for you, it's a matter of time, if you just assume that "Kiev won", ... then they will regroup and move to the Crimea, and here Russia will not go anywhere ... there will be a war ... hang on guys. This is only the first part of the "Marlezon ballet".

    They will never move to the Crimea, the gut is thin, even with the support of s! They stoop from the mere mention of the Russian Army! It’s one thing that they scratch their tongues there in a madhouse, it’s another thing to attack Russia!
  20. vomag
    vomag 6 May 2014 10: 04
    0
    I have a question for connoisseurs, what kind of "kamki" are the guys wearing with St. George ribbons in the foreground?
  21. ksv500
    ksv500 6 May 2014 10: 18
    +2
    Hold on Brothers !!! God is with you !!!
  22. Russ69
    Russ69 6 May 2014 10: 18
    0
    Guys, that again we nod to Putin. Give every help possible ...
    Find out how to help here http://vk.com/separatistochki
    There is an opportunity and links, how to check everything, that money does not go left ...
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 6 May 2014 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: Russ69
      There is an opportunity and links, how to check everything, that money does not go left ...

      They need to beat off punishers rather than money!
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 6 May 2014 15: 54
        0
        Quote: revnagan
        They need to beat off punishers rather than money!

        Money is needed for fuel, medicines and a bunch of other things.
        Whoever doesn’t believe, follow the link, there is also Zelo radio, where, if you wish, you can directly communicate with activists both in cities, there and in the RSA itself.
  23. UFO
    UFO 6 May 2014 10: 37
    +7
    The most important thing has already happened to you - "UNDERSTANDING HAS COME ...", soon it will come to those who are still "sleeping" and cowardly, then you will not need Russia's help (military). Quickly "swing" the cowards and the "undecided", everything will change then. Take it by the collar and fight, then this "gray mass" without brains will move! Start with the neighbors, the work collective and more ... Victory will COME !!! yes
    1. acute
      acute 8 May 2014 11: 45
      0
      you are not from party organizers? Everyone knows how to do it, but how and by whom ... This is a question
  24. wol.volkoff
    wol.volkoff 6 May 2014 10: 52
    +1
    For Russia to help, it is necessary to plan operations for the transfer of equipment and reconnaissance groups, but there is no order, there is no case.
    Quote: CIANIT
    Indeed, why Russia is not helping at least with a humanitarian load. We help all Papuans with earthquakes of all kinds, but here they can’t help their own. We’d have thought of something already. It’s like with all Crimea .... anyway.
  25. zakidon73
    zakidon73 6 May 2014 11: 17
    +2
    Cossacks from Norilsk have moved to Donetsk, the "recipes" will be given upon arrival.
  26. Yellow white
    Yellow white 6 May 2014 12: 02
    0
    There will be help, but not all and not right away, here both politics and economics and just preventing the start of the 3rd world ...
    Hold on to the man!
    With the world on a thread, a naked shirt!
  27. Belarus
    Belarus 6 May 2014 12: 14
    +3
    I don’t understand one thing: no one is asking for help insolently and openly to know all of Ukraine or what is left of it. You can do it quietly and without attracting attention.
    I also don’t understand why Russia can’t act because the Americans are quiet and arrogant ????
    If they blame something for something, they make an amazing appearance and say - you are wrong and it seemed to you, and so on. But help is needed so that the plane does not fly and the tank does not drive.

    It is clear and obvious to everyone that the very heat will begin before the referendum and the status of the regions. This is where the time is visible for help and weapons needed and volunteers.
    After all, if we do not help the rebels, then it will only get worse.
  28. Andrey82
    Andrey82 6 May 2014 12: 16
    +1
    So why not help with equipment, medicines and other necessary things? Why aren’t we removing the NATO transshipment point in Ulyanovsk? Americans are already sending mighty mercenaries, rations, and CIA instructors. Why is Ulyanovsk still the transport base of those who kill Russians in the Southeast with the hands of fascist banderlogs? In the Kremlin sanctions chtoli scared?
  29. goland72
    goland72 6 May 2014 12: 21
    +2
    Quote: Horde
    how unpleasant it is to read this, why is Putin not helping his people?

    I think he is not sure that most want it. He wants to understand what part of the population is FOR.
  30. fregina1
    fregina1 6 May 2014 12: 28
    +6
    Russia cannot now send troops — this is understandable to any sane person who understands at least something in politics!BUT WHAT LONGER OBLIGED TO DO Russia is to provide the militia with good weapons and give competent instructors!More and more nothing is needed there. A couple of TNT machines, explosive devices (electric detonators, blasting machines, wires), manuals on subversive work, tactical special training. RPGs (including the new "Vampires" and "Hashims", and even better from the Georgian trophy Western models , so that some do not appear) Trophy Georgian M4 carbines go there along with NATO cartridges! MANPADS - MANDATORY! SVD! Machine guns! Communication! Well, spioneer from the fraternal units a little bit of fun! A couple of T 64 would look nice there in Slavyansk with the tricolors of the Donetsk Republic! Nothing more is needed, the rest can be obtained in battle !!!!!!!
  31. mvv
    mvv 6 May 2014 12: 30
    +1
    KAZAKS HAVE ALREADY ARRIVED, THE BORDER WITH RUSSIA AND DONBASS IS NOT PRACTICAL, help will come strictly from volunteers. Russia and the Kremlin have no legal right to send troops into the ruins. Even with a piece of paper from Gdenukovich. Soon (I am absolutely sure of this), the CSCE and the UN will recognize the situation on Ruin as a humanitarian catastrophe and will form peacekeeping missions - then Putin will send troops. Wanguyu that the Ruin will turn into 3 republics - the Central, Galician and Ukrainian Federations (it may possibly join Russia). I won’t guess with the names. request
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  32. Black
    Black 6 May 2014 12: 49
    +4
    Ours argue this way: if Russia does not help, we don’t care

    We and Russia will have the same KAPETS !!! Who will be able to live normally further if you are "merged" ???? hold on !!! May 11 - I think the milestone day!
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  34. mackonya
    mackonya 6 May 2014 13: 01
    +1
    I also hope that the militia from the Crimea will come in time, then a corridor will be provided for the delivery of food, medicine and, most importantly, weapons and ammunition. Nothing left to wait long before the referendum, unless of course preparations for the referendum are proceeding as planned, after the referendum it is already possible to open at least the borders with Russia.
  35. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 6 May 2014 13: 33
    +1
    "Rada removed the Communist Party faction from the closed meeting," why would that be ?!
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  38. Leshka
    Leshka 6 May 2014 13: 58
    +1
    I can’t read all this anymore, my heart bleeds, we need to help our brothers
  39. Gray 43
    Gray 43 6 May 2014 14: 08
    +1
    I hope that Russia will provide humanitarian aid at least minimal food and medicine, it may take the wounded, but this will not work until the anti-fascists of Donbass are in blockade.
  40. repytw
    repytw 6 May 2014 14: 41
    +2
    Everyone nods to Russia, but Donetsk and Lugansk itself. I think in both republics you can gather 150 people each (battalion), since there are people there, weapons are also recorded (120 units) and try to break through to Slavyansk. They will not be able to release, but even with disturbing blows, it is possible to force the junta to divert forces to external roadblocks.
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 6 May 2014 16: 14
      +5
      Quote: repytw
      Everyone nods to Russia, but Donetsk and Lugansk itself.

      That's how! They block it one by one and don't puff up much ukramia, they see no help and wait. So it was on Euromaidan, once the radicals tried, no reaction, two, too, silence and here's the result. Now the militias are like "Berkut" in Kiev, and most sit and wait until the minority (Nazis and other riffraffs) turns their city into Khatyn. Shame on Ukraine, not glory! Sorry IMHO!
    2. Sobol
      Sobol 6 May 2014 16: 30
      +11
      repytw Rights Donetsk is a millionth city, Lugansk is half a million people. In the morning, the news broadcast: In Donetsk, a thousand residents signed up for the militia. It’s just a thousand in a million city! Yes, a thousand, and not even one of Donetsk and Lugansk, should have long been Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, etc. protect. Russia help! And why do not you want to help your neighbors? They are ready to die for their city! And for the next one? With such tactics they will knock you out one by one - only this will be achieved!
  41. andron72
    andron72 6 May 2014 18: 28
    +1
    The time will come and Russia will help angry
  42. Naval
    Naval 6 May 2014 18: 42
    +4
    Thank you fellow countrymen, thanks Kramatorsk! You made me respect myself and helped me start to be proud of my small Motherland! Thank you very much!!!
  43. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 6 May 2014 19: 28
    -11%
    I would not want to believe, but Putin is a two-faced person. Does only what is beneficial only to him. My personal opinion.
  44. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 6 May 2014 22: 54
    -2
    Our national leader did not even deign to speak on TV and to express condolences over the tragedy in Odessa !!! What else can I talk about? We need to provide humanitarian assistance, remove women, children, the elderly, wounded from Donetsk region, and, if possible, from other regions of Ukraine, but no actions from our authorities. So soon the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions will start waving fascist flags. You can’t hear Mr. Yanukovych, who is still their president. In general, everything is somehow bad. Volunteer units can be formed here , it’s not too late, only who will do this and who will give money for this, we don’t hear something of the protesting voices of our bourgeois, but could help financially, and not only, like the fascist bourgeois in Ukraine. It only seems to me to the south -The first thing you need is the instructors, so to speak, playing coaches, weapons, communications, equipment and further on the list. I could have gone, but alas. For all this, I remain an ardent opponent of the entry of our troops, at least at this stage. In Donetsk and L In the Ugansk region, not all the population supports the Resistance Movement, many are for the Nazis, and somehow you don’t want to be in the role of aggressor, what the USA and the EU will say anyway, they all set the next goal for us anyway. In general, as usual, there is no hope for a government .
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    2. Kilo-11
      Kilo-11 7 May 2014 13: 14
      +1
      Set cons, naturally, most of them would like tank wedges, paratrooper landings, raids of special intelligence units, etc. across the territory of Ukraine or to believe that our national leader is wise and holds poker up to my sleeve. In my opinion, our government is not much inadequate from what is happening, we are not ready yet to economically or militarily confront the USA and the EU, ideologically and informationally in general everything is bad. And when, in the case of troops entering Ukraine, the zinc goes with the guys, is society ready for this? Therefore, this is my opinion, we should be preparing to accept the battle at our borders. It must be admitted that Mr. Bismarck’s installation in Ukraine was successful and is preparing for the next phase of the war against us. It’s time to start acting, why in our country there are still enterprises owned by the fascists Poroshenko and Kolomoisky, why not a single party or political movement holds protests near the embassies of the USA, Ukraine, Germany and why I think a lot. So there is not any poker up its sleeve!
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  45. corsarfoto
    corsarfoto 7 May 2014 00: 46
    0
    People! You will be in Ghazni, bring my feet. I’m going to Ukraine ... Maybe I’ll die like a man.
  46. Luke
    Luke 7 May 2014 09: 39
    0
    Where are the weapons from Soledar? Why can’t you depress the point at the border? If there is a connection with Russia, it is necessary to strengthen. Russians at the border, how to smuggle humanitarian aid to Slavyansk, Kramotorsk?
  47. W090
    W090 7 May 2014 10: 06
    0
    Hold on a little longer. God bless you. We will meet, no doubt.
  48. 2sila
    2sila 7 May 2014 12: 47
    +2
    As offensive as it sounds, the majority of the population adheres to the principle "My house is on the edge".
    What else needs to be done to raise people ?!
    The layman sits at home and already thinks how he will beautifully wallow in the European Union.
    Young people openly do not support the movement for self-determination.
    A paradoxical situation has arisen when the grandmother, grandfather, mother, dad are Russian by nationality, and the son or daughter are "Ukrainians" by nationality.
    Odessa, the Russian city, bent without straining, Kharkov.
    Until the people themselves understand and rise, the exploits of small heroes will not solve anything.
    The Kremlin sees this ... but alas, they cannot do more, and therefore they are inclined towards the "long journey" and soft power.
  49. Polarfox
    Polarfox 7 May 2014 15: 37
    0
    In connection with the complete failure of the so-called. "counter-terrorist operation" in Donbass, the CIA demands from the Kiev junta to throw all its forces into maintaining control over the Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions. A decision was made to imitate, by the forces of the Right Sector and the so-called National Guard, a breakthrough of Russian troops into Odessa from the side of Transnistria.

    The gangs will be ordered to ensure a huge number of victims among the civilian population (!!!), in order to overshadow the massacre on May 2, and to bring down the wave of discontent of the Odessa residents, which threatens to sweep away the "power" appointed by Kiev and lead to the loss of control over Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

    We ask all independent media and information agencies to make this information as public as possible in order to prevent crime and save the lives of civilians.

    ATTENTION!!! MAXIMUM REPOST !!!
    http://novorus.info/news/vlast/15888-kievskaya-hunta-gotovit-novye-prestupleniya
    -protiv-yugo-vostoka.html
  50. Keeper
    Keeper 7 May 2014 17: 03
    +1
    I read the site http://www.ua-today.com
    Terrorists, terrorists, terrorists! Putin terrorists!
    I read not because of "love for my neighbor", but to see - what gives ordinary people a breath in Ukraine!
    It's sad ....
    The whole world has gone crazy, including Makarevich and Akhedzhakova!
    Do the EU and America really want to make a big "Boom" ?!
    Thought maybe we don’t know something ?! Something is not negotiated in our media ?!
    Rave! But I read this Ukrainian site with clenched teeth!
    Then I drink Valerian and climb here))))
    1. Vitali-46
      Vitali-46 8 May 2014 20: 11
      0
      Keeper! You are not the only one !! It’s enough for me not to read Ukrainian sites to understand .... Indeed WORLD has gone crazy !!!