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Russia has the full right to introduce a peacekeeping contingent to Ukraine

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Russia has the full right to introduce a peacekeeping contingent to Ukraine



Leonid G. Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, analyzes for KM.RU a hypothetical scenario of military confrontation between Russian peacekeepers and Bandera radicals:

- I believe that peacekeeping forces should be brought into Ukraine under the flag CSTO, Shanghai Cooperation Organization, BRICS or another international organization, as we did in Tajikistan. These forces can be based on Russian troops, and it is clear that we will not receive support either in the UN Security Council or in the OSCE. But, as practice shows, our troops in Tajikistan and Abkhazia eventually received international status, and our actions were recognized as successful.

It is our right to form peacekeeping forces, and we could introduce at least observers with international status in Odessa, and then establish peacekeeping posts that would divide the opposing sides. Will this not lead to war between Ukraine and Russia? If we enter the territory of Ukraine as a lone country, then, of course, we are in for a conflict with Kiev. This conflict has already been paid for by the West, they are waiting for a clash between Russian and Ukrainian troops. That's when NATO will come in to "build reconciliation" ... This should not be allowed.

From a military point of view, ordinary troops who have undergone accelerated training should become peacekeepers. We have parts with such experience, they only need to increase, form the appropriate mandate and notify the UN and the OSCE that we are planning a peacekeeping operation. It will be reasonable, balanced and correct. The mandate should clearly state that in the event of an attack on peacekeepers, they have the right to respond. You can expect guerrilla actions, ambushes and terrorist acts from Bandera, but they are not capable of anything more than serious force.

Americans launch their private military companies around the world. It seems that they themselves stand aside, while specialists participate in military actions and train Bandera, the National Guard, and so on. And we need volunteers from local residents so that at least they are instructors and give us help with advice.

In Ukraine there is aviation, Tanks and so on, and they are not among the Bandera. The Ukrainian armed forces do not want to fight against civilians. Another thing is that Bandera provokes the opening of fire, and therefore we need to work with the officer corps - primarily through the military fraternity of Afghan soldiers, paratroopers, and so on. Combat officers and soldiers who have passed hot spots should not be allowed to fight against their people. On the contrary, let them help create the conditions for the start of negotiations. When the balance of power is aligned, then politicians will begin to maneuver, sit down at the negotiating table, otherwise they will feel that people with weapons ready to turn this weapon against the junta. But now the Bandera side has superiority in power, and it’s impossible to seat Turchinov at the negotiating table: after all, the current “official” Kiev hopes for strength.
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  1. maks-101
    maks-101 6 May 2014 06: 51
    +3
    you need to lead troops and the faster the better and they do not care about American mongrel.
    1. Civil
      Civil 6 May 2014 06: 54
      +37
      That's right, it is "under the roof" that you need to send troops, right up to Lviv ...
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 6 May 2014 06: 58
        +13
        Quote: Civil
        That's right, it is "under the roof" that you need to send troops, right up to Lviv ...


        SLAVYANSK, May 5 RIA News.

        Kiev-controlled military group around the city of Slavyansk, held by supporters of federalization, is several times higher than the self-defense forces, Igor Strelkov, the city’s self-defense commander, told RIA Novosti on Monday.

        “If we do not hold the city, we will all perish, that is perfectly understandable.

        I promised, and my people promised that we would not leave Slavyansk. In my estimation, the enemy forces, which are concentrated around Slavyansk, exceed ours by several times, and we ourselves will not hold the city, "Strelkov said.

        "We will hold out to the end, but if there is no support, they will destroy us," he said.


        Answering the question of how he can comment on the reports about the alleged arrival of volunteers from the Crimea and Chechnya to help the defenders of the Donetsk Republic, Strelkov said that he "did not see them." "I would like to talk only about what really is," he stressed.

        He also noted that he maintains "contact in Moscow only with his friends, none of them are members of the political elite."
        1. AK-74-1
          AK-74-1 6 May 2014 10: 45
          +63
          Maybe I don’t understand what, but the whole situation with SEI is like a well-calculated provocation. Odessans forgive me, but you are a more cannibalistic part of this provocation.
          The goal of this provocation today is obvious - to drag Russia into a confrontation, declare our country an aggressor and throw a junta.
          Why the nature of events looks like a provocation.
          Firstly, the mass protests. I wrote about this repeatedly.
          Secondly, the armament of the militia. I do not understand why there are no large-caliber hunting rifles of 50 caliber. You can't see Saiga, Tigers (rifle), Veprey at all.
          The third feeling is that the office plankton playing airsoft is more professional in tactics than the militia. (Saloids, go to the library and take textbooks on NVP, they do not only have info about a nuclear explosion). Especially touched by the types of checkpoints.
          And you can also minus, but Russia's behavior is absolutely correct. The JUNTA, by its actions: "shutting down" the banks, the Odessa pogroms, the rise in prices for energy resources and utilities, itself signs a death warrant. These are objective laws.
          I hope that the esteemed shareholders of Gazprom will not allow the continuation of subsidizing the territory called Ukraine.

          And still PIONEERS stop broadcasting on the subject of the introduction of troops. Why bring joy to our partners over a puddle.
          1. max702
            max702 6 May 2014 12: 05
            +12
            I agree with you, looking at the defense of the same Slavyansk you observe some kind of sur .. barricades of branches and garbage containers, self-defense on the lawns in a tumble, and most of them are dressed in bright clothes a la "target" and so on .. please tell me where trenches, checkpoints made of foundation blocks, fences of pipes, corners, piles, ZhBplit .. Isn't it possible that all this is not in the city? And there is no construction equipment in the city either? Or maybe the owners of all these funds simply squeezed them in the hope that everything will work out? But it seems that they should already understand THEM WILL BE KILLED! And the dead do not need any of the above .. The conclusion suggests itself such either incompetence and slovenliness or provocation ..
            1. typhoon7
              typhoon7 6 May 2014 13: 03
              +13
              You write about what, out of the environment of 25 people came out five. Did you participate in this battle? Who gave you the right to insult the fighters who are fighting with the Nazis, who are already wallowing with fatigue right on the asphalt. I should be ashamed of such words.
              1. AK-74-1
                AK-74-1 6 May 2014 15: 00
                +24
                In fact, no one offends the memory of fighters. These are HEROES!
                There are many BUTs that contribute to heroism.
                In my opinion, this is the organizers' headache.
                For example, block posts. Direction overlap differently. This is the impossibility of promoting technology without sapper escort. Ditches, ditches, notches must be dug. Visible block posts on 2-3 directions with remote fixation tools and a minimum of people. In general, there should be serious engineering training. All this should be inscribed in the area, disguised and provided with mobile groups with weapons that have a terrifying striking effect, that is, soft hunting bullets, buckshot. Concrete blocks on the road are put by a snake. Everything is done for the impossibility of unauthorized entry into the city on any vehicle.
                All this could be done in 2-3 weeks.
                In general, a lot of incomprehensible.
                And the most incomprehensible is the presence of unarmed military units on the territory of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions - this is ONCE, and why TWO did not provide the outer ring of the self-defense forces of these regions.
                1. s1н7т
                  s1н7т 6 May 2014 20: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: AK-74-1
                  In my opinion, this is the organizers' headache

                  Are you sure that the organizers are around - prof. military? With knowledge of BUSW and skills of its application?
                  1. ty60
                    ty60 8 May 2014 22: 24
                    0
                    politicians cannot be organizers. Not their path.
                2. Trinity
                  Trinity 6 May 2014 23: 42
                  +10
                  AK-74-1 / I agree with you. One more point is not clear. Why not a single burnt armored personnel carrier, BMD and other heavy equipment can be seen and at the same time "turntables" are being shot down. After all, the news shows militias with RPGs, which means the militia has them. Maybe there are some compelling reasons for just such a defense tactic, we do not understand much from afar. Maybe the militias still do not want to greatly anger the punishers with knocked-out equipment and heavy losses from the security forces, without starting a serious fight before the referendum (there was an interview with a militia in Kramatorsk when the armored personnel carriers entered the city, then this militia said "that we were going to burn them, but we they said that they would not be the first to shoot at the army "). In general, they know better on the spot what tactics to adhere to. If they take control of the territory, then it would be vital to take control of the border crossings on the border with Russia, and this supply can be established from the Russian side and volunteers can be sent to help the militia. But since they do not do this, then again there are reasons for this.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 8 May 2014 00: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: trinity
                    Why not a single burnt armored personnel carrier, BMD and other heavy equipment can be seen and at the same time "turntables" are being shot down.

                    There are burnt APCs, and there are BMPs. They were destroyed at a sufficient distance, and they are in the territory of the control of law-enforcement agencies. And the Russian media in that zone do not work on the side of the Kiev troops! Well, the guys from the militia usually have no time to take pictures for memory ..
                3. dkflbvbh
                  dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 10: 43
                  +2
                  I have long been expressing my opinion about the accuracy of this war. It seems that all these block posts were set up by someone far from the location of Slavyansk on the ground. Although they told me that there were mines, land mines were laid. But where are the knocked-out armored personnel carriers (after all, on the filming it is clear that there are grenade launchers and even the Fagot ATGM, or no one knows how to use them)? Only downed turntables, and why not one plane? Of course, it's easy for me to broadcast and give valuable instructions from afar, but my fellow countrymen also say that checkpoints should not be placed where they are.
              2. makarick
                makarick 6 May 2014 15: 29
                +19
                No one offends anyone. Really a sober assessment of the situation. I was personally amazed by a woman who gave an interview from Slavyansk to the Rossiya24 channel. It was on Sunday: "we went to rest outside the city, but there suddenly began a strong shooting, we had to return ..." , blockades?
                1. Rodover
                  Rodover 6 May 2014 22: 19
                  +7
                  Makarick, I agree with you. I am also struck by some inconsistencies in this military operation: a man tells in an interview that he and his friends were subjected to shelling in the afternoon on the street when they returned from work. What can be the work during the war? Why doesn’t he and his friends take part in the hostilities, do not erect fortifications, do not help the wounded? Some kind of strange fighting.
                  1. typhoon7
                    typhoon7 6 May 2014 23: 25
                    +5
                    Guys, there was infa, Lugansk militias destroyed the radar. If this is true, then it is cool and says something.
                2. tianna
                  tianna 9 May 2014 00: 57
                  +1
                  It is very strange and scary for people to quickly change from ordinary inhabitants to blockades. Slavyansk - not three streets surrounded by roadblocks, but rather a large territory with a center, suburbs .... They shoot at the outskirts, something exploded somewhere, but in general the city lives an almost ordinary life - it works, it studies. Look at how many onlookers are simply watching what is happening: healthy men in shorts went for a beer and shot a shootout, not intending to participate in it yet, because he had to go to work on a night shift, for example ... For 70 years of absence Three generations of war in these territories have grown and pulling oneself out of ordinary life will turn out only when your philistine world is completely destroyed. There are really few real ideological Fighters, alas.
              3. Terrible ensign
                Terrible ensign 6 May 2014 19: 11
                +6
                Dear Typhoon! ..
                Don't hysteria, please. No one pleads for the sacrifice and heroism of the militia. Questions arise exclusively about the engineering fortification of the so-called. "checkpoints" and the general level of tactical literacy.
                1. Deadmen
                  Deadmen 6 May 2014 22: 02
                  0
                  so they will strengthen the post block well and that army will then move
            2. Spnsr
              Spnsr 6 May 2014 15: 59
              +7
              Quote: max702
              I agree with you, looking at the defense of the same Slavyansk you observe some kind of sur .. barricades of branches and garbage containers, self-defense on the lawns in a tumble, and most of them are dressed in bright clothes a la "target" and so on .. please tell me where trenches, checkpoints made of foundation blocks, fences of pipes, corners, piles, ZhBplit .. Isn't it possible that all this is not in the city? And there is no construction equipment in the city either? Or maybe the owners of all these funds simply squeezed them in the hope that everything will work out? But it seems that they should already understand THEM WILL BE KILLED! And the dead do not need any of the above .. The conclusion suggests itself such either incompetence and slovenliness or provocation ..

              DO NOT make a fortress out of town! it will be destroyed. and so there is a chance for civilians. warriors engaged in guerrilla warfare, and the so-called block posts are civilians, they themselves said this! no one thought that the dogs would not try to advance into the city, and stopping at a distance of effective fire they would shoot the checkpoints at which civilians or militiamen, without arms, were nearby and were there only to stop the convoy with a human shield, and if not help to indicate the presence of dogs smoke from burning tires. hence the block posts are not block posts ....
            3. asar
              asar 6 May 2014 18: 04
              +18
              The Slavyansk militia had time, albeit a little, but it did! Do not deny the "common" truths! In a week, using heavy equipment, you can build such a checkpoint that the attack on the armored personnel carriers will drown! I doubt that there was no drilling equipment in Slavyansk (that they drill under water, under pillars)! There are no welders or carvers in the city ?! I doubt it! Drilled at the checkpoint, stuck pipes, mined! They made a blockage of reinforced concrete blocks, welded pipes so that all the strengthening was monolithic! I do not continue, as I see a checkpoint made of piled tires and branches, the gift of speech disappears! "Madhouse" of some kind!
            4. Orik
              Orik 6 May 2014 19: 56
              +4
              Quote: max702
              I agree with you, looking at the defense of the same Slavyansk you observe some kind of sur .. barricades of branches and garbage containers, self-defense on the lawns in a tumble, and most of them are dressed in bright clothes a la "target" and so on .. please tell me where trenches, checkpoints made of foundation blocks, fences of pipes, corners, piles, ZhBplit .. Isn't it possible that all this is not in the city? And there is no construction equipment in the city either? Or maybe the owners of all these funds simply squeezed them in the hope that everything will work out? But it seems that they should already understand THEM WILL BE KILLED! And the dead do not need any of the above .. The conclusion suggests itself such either incompetence and slovenliness or provocation ..

              In a confrontation with many times superior enemy forces, WHAT STRENGTHENED roadblocks can be discussed ??? Think what you write! Do you want to organize a mass grave ?! The militias are doing everything right, they clicked on them, they left, the pressure weakened returned.
              1. AK-74-1
                AK-74-1 6 May 2014 21: 35
                +17
                Visible block posts are needed to filter vehicles. And I also wrote that they should have a minimum of people. Read carefully.
                Notch stripes, artificial and natural ditch channels, etc. this is not only an obstacle to technology, but also a means of covert movement of maneuver groups and disorientation of the enemy.
                In general, some BUTAPHORIA.
                Before you pick up a weapon, you need to understand the consequences.
                Especially when they show former "paratroopers", "special forces", etc. With colleagues, we often condemn the video. It seems that both are being played. A sane officer with the rank of lieutenant understands the consequences of introducing technology into the city without reconnaissance and in the presence of grenade launchers at the militia.
                I don’t understand how a battery of towed guns can be deployed in the immediate vicinity of the city.
                In general, provocations from both sides with one single goal - RUSSIA ENTER THE TROOPS!
                1. YurokR
                  YurokR 8 May 2014 07: 43
                  0
                  And it also seems strange to me that having a huge advantage in both technology and infantry, the junta did not capture a single city. Or for example, for what purpose did they fire a mortar at a checkpoint? Shot 2 times, and then what? What is the point of such a shelling?
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 6 May 2014 12: 39
            0
            Quote: AK-74-1
            And still PIONEERS stop broadcasting on the subject of the introduction of troops. Why bring joy to our partners over a puddle.

            Exactly, if we introduce troops, then NATO too. I believe that there is an agreement like let them boil in their juice.
            1. Tiamat2702
              Tiamat2702 6 May 2014 13: 39
              +4
              Quote: Uncle
              Exactly, if we introduce troops, then NATO too.

              NATO will not introduce anything.
            2. Trinity
              Trinity 7 May 2014 01: 43
              +10
              Those militias who are fighting the Kiev pack of respect and fortitude. But a question arises. In one hundred and twenty thousand city and only 2,5 thousand militias, where are all the other men? Nearby are huge warehouses with weapons from the First and Second World Wars. This weapon can arm the entire male population of the southeast, if it ALL stood under the banner of the militia, and this army can no longer be compared with the army that Kiev gathered. PPSh, PPS, MP-40 are certainly inferior to the "Kalash", but in urban combat they are even preferable since the range of bullets is less than that of the AK, the risk of civilian death is reduced. And machine guns "dektyari", "maxims", MG-40, as well as "Mosin three-line" for remote combat in good hands are generally formidable weapons. In Donbas, I think there are good snipers who can be armed with these weapons. But most of the men for some reason are not in the militia, they are waiting for something when a handful of brave men are trying to somehow hold back the onslaught of a pack of all kinds of rabble. If Putin does not send troops into Ukraine, it is not because NATO was scared, but simply the moment did not come for this. To my mind, he is trying with all his might to delay the time until the referendum, if you bring in the troops earlier, it means playing by the rules of the Americans, who only want the troops to enter and immediately declare Russia guilty of the split of Ukraine, and if the troops are brought in after the referendum, then Moscow will declare world Kiev guilty of the split of Ukraine and they will have nothing to cover, for centuries their names will be cursed by the people of Ukraine for the split of the country. Now Kiev is leading the region to a humanitarian catastrophe with its blockade, although it is obliged to ensure the life of the region and this is another crime of the junta. So they want to provoke the introduction of Russian troops in order to shift the responsibility for the economic state of the region onto the shoulders of Russia, and move away from it themselves. This will not scare Putin, but it seems that the moment has not come for a throw, but for now they are waging a war for Ukraine on all diplomatic fronts, so that then to silence all the shepherd dogs who will bark hysterically at Russia. WE told you, called on, but YOU (the US and EU) did not hear us and Russia acted at its own discretion.
              1. Nikotin13
                Nikotin13 7 May 2014 03: 54
                +3
                Many people forget one small detail: for 23 years, the majority of Ukraine’s population was practically not trained in military affairs! What could be the claim? You look at the current Ukrainian army, tears welling up! It’s embarrassing for grandfathers! Shame, beating! So that the militia fights like he knows how, and on that he must give thanks and bow to the belt! They are just Heroes!
                1. dkflbvbh
                  dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 11: 06
                  +8
                  What are you talking about? The fact is that the video in the militia is just the people who managed to go through military science in the Soviet army. and many were bombarded in Afghanistan, the youth is not visible. Young people are just fighting from Kiev.
                  And the small number of militias just once again confirms my words that the majority of the population lives by the principle - I’ll hide my hut. This all says that not a single leadership and every city that has become part of itself is for itself. Slavyansk controls only its own area, and as I understood it, Konstantinovka and at first the battles did not bring a single militia to other cities in the region, that everyone was sitting in their holes waiting for them to start bombing? It would be a general leadership (and some sort of retired officer), it would understand that it was necessary to give a decisive rebuff in one place, so that it would be inconvenient to climb in another. A separate place in all these events is occupied, such as the protesting Kharkov region. Is it generally morality that everyone is waiting for the mayor to return from the promised land after treatment? So I think so, and already forgot the way to Kharkov. This is where the guerrilla warfare is necessary, the camps of Kiev minions are in full view, but I would send in the Slavs sabotage groups to burn equipment in the concentration areas, one sensibly planned night outing (and the nights there are dark) would give a tangible effect. No, they’re sitting in the city and waiting for help, in my opinion it has long been clear that help will come with tangible actions, and now there’s no one to help you - everyone is for himself.
                  1. msd
                    msd 8 May 2014 09: 57
                    0
                    burn equipment in areas of concentration

                    the equipment is in the hands of the army, and,in principleshe is neutral ...
              2. shtanko.49
                shtanko.49 7 May 2014 13: 30
                +6
                I agree entirely and politely.Strannoe what that uprising-weapon is, and not armed, 400 thousand miners - "AU" where are you? In general, I will not repeat everything exactly described by you.
                1. ty60
                  ty60 8 May 2014 22: 38
                  0
                  Russian citizens should not fight in another state without appropriate sanction.
          3. typhoon7
            typhoon7 6 May 2014 12: 56
            0
            And why are they worse than the Ossetians and Abkhazians, and there, too, NATO howled and the US destroyers stood. Or you have Russian saved by the residual principle. The Russians do not abandon their own, but your words say something completely different. I hope that in Russia mother is such a minority.
            1. Tiamat2702
              Tiamat2702 6 May 2014 13: 40
              +2
              Quote: typhoon7
              .... I hope that in Russia mother is such a minority.

              I also really hope so!
            2. Spnsr
              Spnsr 6 May 2014 16: 06
              +8
              Quote: typhoon7
              And why are they worse than the Ossetians and Abkhazians, and there, too, NATO howled and the US destroyers stood. Or you have Russian saved by the residual principle. The Russians do not abandon their own, but your words say something completely different. I hope that in Russia mother is such a minority.

              nobody left anyone! no one closed his eyes and turned away ...

              "NEXUS MD Today, 15:25 ↑

              I also wrote repeatedly that it is not yet possible to send troops ... Putin's team is preparing a legal basis for the introduction of troops (so that no NATO would talk about the occupation of Ukraine as a sovereign state) ... without such a legal basis, Russia will get a new Afghanistan when troops are deployed or Chechnya with so many corpses that the victims that are now will be a drop in the ocean ... a global game is going on to block the map of the world, and this is a fact! In this game, the US and the EU are only instruments of pressure and political blackmail ... behind this everyone has completely different forces and the Kremlin understands this, and therefore pauses ... many hotheads talk about the immediate deployment of troops ... but think about what will happen if you send troops now ... any person is indignant at what is happening in Ukraine , and this is natural ... but one must understand that it is impossible to win a war in today's time only by using the army, it is necessary to win politically in it ... and it is on the political front that the main battles are now unfolding ... to wait ... but not to understand all this is recklessness that can do a lot of trouble "
            3. Felix200970
              Felix200970 6 May 2014 19: 36
              -3
              Quote: typhoon7
              Or you have Russian saved by the residual principle. The Russians do not abandon their own, but your words say something completely different.

              There is only one problem. There are no Russians there! There are citizens of Ukraine, it is not clear whose citizens there are. But there are no Russians there. All this nonsense on the forum from a complete misunderstanding of the situation in Ukraine. Most of the shots of the "brutal massacres" are openly staged shots. And the noise around all this is a background curtain for bringing to power children with a frankly criminal present. Of the 29 members who accidentally perform duties "with the pontus of the government of Ukraine," 1 piece registered in a psycho dispensary in Kiev, 1 piece was accused in the state. treason (disclosure of information containing state secrets), 1 pc. was (and maybe is) on the international wanted list, the rest were in more or less high-profile criminal cases.
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 7 May 2014 01: 35
                +1
                Felix, open your face. No further need - Maidan face is already visible. wassat
              2. ty60
                ty60 8 May 2014 22: 41
                -1
                Well, why not on the barricade? Sorry, stand on May Dan
            4. anfil
              anfil 6 May 2014 21: 05
              +3
              And why are they worse than the Ossetians and Abkhazians, and there, too, NATO howled and the US destroyers stood. Or you have Russian saved by the residual principle. The Russians do not abandon their own, but your words say something completely different. I hope that in Russia mother is such a minority.


              IN OSSETIA, OUR PEACEKEEPERS WERE STARTED SHOOTING RODENTS ARE STANDING, THEREFORE, AND DROPPED THE TROOPS.

              IN UKRAINE OUR TROOPS ARE NOT !!! Completely different situations.
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          5. asar
            asar 6 May 2014 17: 56
            -4
            Yes, the "pioneers" in "Zarnitsa", it seems, have not played enough! If they even know what it is!
          6. Trit Nakosh
            Trit Nakosh 6 May 2014 19: 22
            +2
            The words of a person not just leafing through the once-mentioned CWP textbook, or graduated from a university with a military department "so as not to rake" ©, but fruitfully studying specific disciplines. I agree almost literally. I bit my tongue and said that they were not professional military men.
            PS Troublesome times ... Gloomy. After such darkness, either darkness or dawn ...
          7. s1н7т
            s1н7т 6 May 2014 20: 20
            0
            Quote: AK-74-1
            Why bring joy to our partners over a puddle

            But what’s the reason that they kill ours? Let dumb, inert, office, but ours! You do not have relatives there? I have! Your relatives will begin to burn alive (God forbid, of course) - change the tone or will you continue to carry nonsense? Our MUST intervene and stop !!! Because there are ours too.
            1. AK-74-1
              AK-74-1 7 May 2014 00: 12
              +5
              Thank you for your question.
              I thought about the answer for a long time.
              Even had a conversation.
              In general, I am zombified by propaganda.
              They are good people and choose their own future.
              So OUR there or not can show the referendum 11 on May.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 8 May 2014 01: 03
                +2
                Quote: AK-74-1
                So OUR there or not can show the referendum 11 on May.

                Yes, already, it seems, may not be in time! Are we watching the news? The President proposed to the South-East to postpone the date of the referendum! You see, "to create conditions for establishing a dialogue with Kiev." But why, in fact, postpone the referendum ?! One doesn't seem to interfere with the other ..
                1. AK-74-1
                  AK-74-1 8 May 2014 11: 11
                  +1
                  And what CONCLUSION do you want to voice to us?
                2. dkflbvbh
                  dkflbvbh 8 May 2014 12: 08
                  +4
                  Everything was blown away by the revolution ... Ato some kind of operetta. It seems like a revolt ... And factories and mines work, give out products, earn money, this money flows into the pockets of oligarchs, oligarchs use this money to arm all sorts of "Dnepr-Donbas" and send them to kill them. And of course an altruist, but not to that extent. It just smacks of some sort of sodomazakhism.
                  1. AK-74-1
                    AK-74-1 8 May 2014 15: 23
                    +1
                    First, not a revolution, but the restoration of the existing constitutional order and the fight against armed coup.
                    Secondly, judging by the open information of the "pravoseki" and "hundreds of self-defense of the Maidan" do not obey JUNTE.
                    Thirdly, the Khokhloarmia never said a word. Which at the same time pleases and distresses.
                    And in conclusion, everything moves according to objective laws. Nobody will feed the Hohlopithecus. ANYONE AT ALL. Oligarchs are cash cows, but without "gas, they write" it is harder and harder to milk Caudle.
                    There are 2 objective points that will definitely positively influence the situation in favor of Russia:
                    lack of cheap and affordable energy resources;
                    lack of food - BREAD.
                    It sounds CYNIC, but the victims of Odessa and the "healing famine" have a positive effect. And if not in May, then by the middle of June there will be a complete CHO, which is ASS in Japanese.
                    Russia is all in white, in EU feces (up to the top of the head) and America (up to the waist). The gas transit system through Khokhlostan and nuclear power plants is already being taken under control. We are awaiting the issuance of an invoice from Gazprom.
                    In general, everything is beautiful so far.
                    Respect to Putin.
                    Donbas militia bow deeply.
                    1. ty60
                      ty60 8 May 2014 22: 55
                      0
                      I predicted such a development a month ago. Europe will not wait for the death of some industries. Until September, there will be no Russian peacekeepers in Ukraine. They will introduce it in connection with the cold snap. In Europe
            2. anfil
              anfil 7 May 2014 08: 12
              +3
              But what’s the reason that they kill ours? Let dumb, inert, office, but ours! You do not have relatives there?

              There are ... there are relatives! We say at least take the children to us in Russia, in response (this is Lugansk): "Everything is fine with us, do not watch TV there, everything is lying. That's the whole story and these are Russians, and what h.h.h.l. do not think I know. " Although they themselves say two fishermen were fired on while fishing. I do not know what should be happening, what would be considered abnormal for them?
              Although the bags are collected, escape routes have been planned, and thanks God!
              1. tianna
                tianna 9 May 2014 01: 11
                +1
                take out, just finish the school year))
            3. ty60
              ty60 8 May 2014 22: 47
              0
              my friend, intervene! and on an adult, an on-duty suitcase and in Kramatorsk. here, if you confirm your participation in the clash, I agree to talk with you. And so interpret with the gas stove in the kitchen.
          8. bif
            bif 7 May 2014 00: 30
            +7
            Quote: AK-74-1
            The goal of this provocation today is obvious - to drag Russia into a confrontation, declare our country an aggressor and throw a junta.
            Why the nature of events looks like a provocation.

            I agree. Here is a more competent analysis of the reasons ..
            "Let's first admit the obvious - this is war. Moreover, no one really asks Russia if it wants to, whether it will fight. Because they are already at war against Russia. Ukraine is openly and openly. The West - because of its back - in Jesuit style ..
            And we will not deceive ourselves. Regardless of Russia's behavior, they will impose all the sanctions that threaten to impose EU & USA. And they will shed all the blood that they can shed. Bids too big ...
            Recognizing the war as an obvious fait accompli, let's begin to reason with military categories and try not to give in to emotions, however difficult it may be ...
            And since your enemy so actively "invites" you somewhere, then in wartime it can mean only one thing - there is an ambush ahead. Let's look at the proposed battlefield ... "http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/commentaries/view/90209/
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 7 May 2014 17: 09
              0
              Quote: bif
              Let's look at the proposed battlefield ... "http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/commentaries/view/90209/

              That's right! Explanatory article.
            2. irina.mmm
              irina.mmm 7 May 2014 20: 43
              0
              I totally agree
          9. dkflbvbh
            dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 10: 35
            +1
            I completely agree. Especially about the "PIONEERS".
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 7 May 2014 11: 16
              +3
              Greetings, Vladimir! hi
              Quote: dkflbvbh
              I totally agree.

              Similarly. I join !!!
              Quote: dkflbvbh
              about "PIONEERS"

              It depends on whom to consider as such. If those who registered only this year, then out of a dozen no more than two or three look serious, thinking people.
              The rest of the "transit passengers", who taxied in here with the aim of shouting pseudo-patriotic slogans, sometimes creating such a heap of garbage, because of which one cannot find a sensible comment, and who were flattered by the "beautiful accompanying tinsel", such as "epaulets". and questionable "ratings".
              I am in favor of removing the first ones altogether and dragging the second one into your personal profile.
              1. dkflbvbh
                dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 21: 03
                +2
                So I, too, like I don’t have a month like this on this forum, but I rested on the articles (which take me alive) I realized that most of them fill posts only to get an asterisk for epaulettes.
                Today it was shown on TV that Gubarev was released, which means that the freaks from Kiev decided to negotiate. Wait a couple of bones will be thrown and everything will die out (if not fools of course) and in the end it will turn out that blood was shed in vain, and if we succumbed to the slogans "come on", then the blood of our soldiers. And I don't want this, because I served, but my son is serving and he will be thrown there with the soldiers first of all (this is the type of troops).
          10. Harin Oleg
            Harin Oleg 7 May 2014 17: 34
            +4
            I have repeated and will continue to repeat: there is nothing for us to do on the territory without territory. All that happens there is a provocation against Russia, in order to unleash active hostilities against it (read the war, the next stage is the war of the world). This is the only way to get the world economy out of the crisis, which is getting worse every year. And no matter how we are assured of other reasons for what is happening, they lie, scoundrels. The only goal is to unleash MV No. 3. And whoever calls for the introduction of troops into Ukraine is either a fool or a provocateur. Sofa strategists, damn it. But I fought, and I don’t want this for others. Of course, it will be necessary, I get up and go without hesitation. But still I want to live the rest of my life calmly.
            1. aleks 62
              aleks 62 8 May 2014 10: 18
              +2
              .... Everything is correct ... I agree ... The Russian army has nothing to do there ... We need to talk with the junta and their patrons using economic methods ... First, turn on the gas tap, give a decent answer to the sanctions, etc. ... After a while, Europe itself will turn out tomatoes to the junta After all, its own shirt (well-being) is closer to the body .... And those who are on the couch with popcorn (in Ukraine) will soon feel the delights of the "new Vlada" ... through the head - will come through the pocket (wallet) ...
              1. serohim
                serohim 9 May 2014 18: 55
                0
                it's you done. where it will reach, and where it will add the junta of supporters. The zombie box does not sleep.
                ______________________________________________________________________

                YES and honestly, I'm finally glad that people on this resource started asking questions, and not just spraying saliva.

                We paid attention to the preparation of the defense. (It’s directly kindergarten)
                Great performance where people are bargaining chips.

                PS: If you want to kill a snake, then do not beat her in the tail. You just have to cut off her head.
            2. ty60
              ty60 8 May 2014 23: 03
              0
              the truth is in your words. however, if the Supreme says, even those who have left the partisan age will reach the salt mines of the Southeast on foot.
          11. Harin Oleg
            Harin Oleg 7 May 2014 17: 34
            +2
            I have repeated and will continue to repeat: there is nothing for us to do on the territory without territory. All that happens there is a provocation against Russia, in order to unleash active hostilities against it (read the war, the next stage is the war of the world). This is the only way to get the world economy out of the crisis, which is getting worse every year. And no matter how we are assured of other reasons for what is happening, they lie, scoundrels. The only goal is to unleash MV No. 3. And whoever calls for the introduction of troops into Ukraine is either a fool or a provocateur. Sofa strategists, damn it. But I fought, and I don’t want this for others. Of course, it will be necessary, I get up and go without hesitation. But still I want to live the rest of my life calmly.
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        2. anfil
          anfil 6 May 2014 20: 51
          +2
          An hour ago posted on You Tube

          fake or not don’t know.
      2. Sanglier
        Sanglier 6 May 2014 09: 46
        0
        Moreover, to do this together with China, within the framework of the Shanghai Organization since China is interested in repaying Ukraine’s debts. And in this case, am will be oh how difficult it is to object !!!
        1. AK-74-1
          AK-74-1 6 May 2014 11: 12
          +1
          Well, China WHY ???
          1. Sanglier
            Sanglier 6 May 2014 15: 52
            +4
            To "do not shirk". And then Ukraine owes them, but how to return it, then let Russia solve the problem. And if they participate in a peacekeeping operation, they will "make friends" with Russia and act as a counterbalance to both amers and Europe. Against the sanction, you can't really declare ...
          2. ty60
            ty60 8 May 2014 23: 08
            0
            China has many times more state bonds than ours. Here is a pressure tool. Chinese people are not actively letting mattresses anywhere. Putin wants to build a bridge to the Crimea with their hands.
      3. Rus2012
        6 May 2014 10: 29
        +9
        Quote: Civil
        That's right, it is "under the roof" that you need to send troops, right up to Lviv ...

        ... you cannot postpone ... Where to put a comma? Damn question ...

        The tortured victims of Odessa-mother and the destroyed civilians in other areas ruins rave The soul is asked to punish nonhumans ...
        I don't care about the so-called. "dermocratic crooked opinion". Truth and Justice are behind us!
        It’s possible to introduce heavy brigades, in other words, full divisions ...
        But ... what to do with a fooled population? They are against it. To push?

        You can enter the territory controlled by the rebels. And then what?
        You can enter mobile battalion tactical groups, create unmanned zones ...

        The Jews offer to send their battalion "Aliya" ...

        You can make a list of nonhumans and point wet. How 3,14ndos practiced ...

        What do we do?
        1. smile
          smile 6 May 2014 14: 10
          +8
          Rus2012
          Excuse me, but can I have a closer look at the Aliya battalion? Is this official opinion, or someone's private conversations? And what, Israel will release them? With standard weapons?
          To be honest, I believe that even if one of the guys in the battalion wants to wet the fascists, Israel simply will not let them out. Indeed, this will mean that Israel supports Russia ... And the fact that the United States is their closest ally is an obvious fact. Are Jews so bad for Americans? I do not believe. to be honest.
          So, I believe that the activities of Israel can be limited only to the operation to evacuate Jews from Odessa. Ships or planes will come, they will take their own and that’s all.
          Moreover, a significant part of the Jews, even on this site, to put it mildly, does not support the decisive position of Russia and calls the adoption of the escaped from the Nazis Crimea annexation.
          1. Rus2012
            6 May 2014 14: 29
            +9
            Quote: smile
            Excuse me, but can I have a closer look at the Aliya battalion? Is this official opinion, or someone's private conversations? And what, Israel will release them? With standard weapons?



            Military specialists from repatriates in Israel are ready to leave for Odessa and Slavyansk right now
            The Israeli civil movement against terror and violence, the Aliya battalion is currently stepping up efforts to arrive in Ukraine as a peacekeeping corps.

            “Aliya” was formed in 2002 from the professional military of the Soviet Army and the armies of the CIS countries who left for Israel. Some of them then served in the Israeli army. The battalion includes paratroopers, commandos, sappers, dog handlers, doctors and other specialists. The battalion is currently involved in the protection of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories.

            “I must say right away that this is a private initiative,” Roman Ratner, commander of the battalion, explained. - We have no relation to the state of Israel, and it does not support us in any way. This is a personal matter for every soldier - how to relate to the Nazis. Members of our battalion are not indifferent to what is happening in Ukraine, especially after the tragedy in Odessa.

            According to Ratner, someone must stand between the warring parties in order to “force them to peace.”

            “Although after what happened in Odessa it will be very difficult to talk with the perpetrators of this horror,” Ratner added.

            The fighters of "Aliya" are ready to leave for Ukraine at the first request.

            “There are a couple of dozen people who are ready to leave right now, and within a month or two we can mobilize about 200 military with unique experience,” said one of the initiators of the idea to use Aliya in Ukraine, Israeli political analyst and publicist Avigdor Eskin. - We have a lot of friends there, they are waiting for us not only in the southeast, but also in Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk.

            According to Eskin, it is enough for Aliya to be present in the hot spots of Ukraine as peacekeepers, since "the very appearance of fighters of this level will change the picture in besieged cities, because it is hard to imagine anyone dare to engage in battle with them."

            “Where the battalion will be present, Bandera will certainly not be able to burn people alive,” said Eskin.

            At the moment, the commanders of Aliya are building a scheme for its transfer to Ukraine. Money, according to Eskin, is not a problem, members of the battalion are able to pay for travel.

            “But we need an invitation from the Ukrainian side, a statement on the need to attract peacekeepers,” Ratner explained. - For example, on behalf of the Donetsk Republic.

            Fully - http://izvestia.ru/news/570353
            1. smile
              smile 6 May 2014 15: 13
              +4
              Rus2012
              Thanks for the info. Did not know. Great news. I believe it is imperative to attract them. Moreover, the propaganda effect of their participation will be much greater than the military. Although the military can not be discounted. And so, given that there will be plenty of our volunteers there .... :)))
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 7 May 2014 11: 31
                +1
                Quote: smile
                Great news. I believe it is imperative to attract them. Moreover, the propaganda effect of their participation will be much greater than the military.

                It is doubtful. What is the basis for attracting Jews?
                If as volunteers, then Russia, as it were, would not be impoverished in those.
                With what documents they get there. With Russian passports? Then see the paragraph above.
                With Israeli? Why, for example, Cambodia also not participate in this dump? You look and get combat experience for your own soldiers. There are also those who wish to get closer. The same Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan. But then it "opens the gate" in general for all the armies of the world ...
                Get such an Israeli fighter captured or turn into a "two hundredth" (now there are no problems with identification), what statements will follow in the Western media.
                "Russia is hiring foreign soldiers. There are none of them left or they have no qualifications at all." And this is only one of those that do not raise questions about the legality of finding anyone ...
                There are many other reasons. I think you will find them yourself. Therefore -
                Quote: smile
                Are Jews so bad for Americans? I do not believe. to be honest.
                So, I believe that the activities of Israel can be limited only to the operation to evacuate Jews from Odessa. Ships or planes will come, they will take their own and that’s all.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 8 May 2014 01: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Ptah
                  It is doubtful. What is the basis for attracting Jews?

                  They read it inattentively. This is a "private initiative of the battalion fighters," mainly former military personnel of the Russian Federation. And they do not turn to us, but to the DPR with a proposal to ask for help. RF is not going to ask there. As for the official position, Israel does not really support the sanctions, and did not vote for the UN resolution condemning Moscow.
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah 8 May 2014 09: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: avia1991
                    Read inattentively. It "private battalion fighters' initiative, mainly former military of the Russian Federation

                    Serge, let's more "carefully"... I admit that you and I are not only "tenth graders who finished the textbook of the CWP", but have served (at least) a "term" in the ranks Sun. I.e., having passed the MILITARY TRAINING. And we have a desire to meet with those Jewish warriors at the airport in Simferopol to travel together to Donetsk. Who will we actually be? Patriots and volunteers. But there are no such definitions in the legal field, and our actions for those who benefit will easily lead to an article ABOUT MORTGAGE. Let us pay a plate of porridge a day and a pack of cigarettes from residents of the DPR. Conditionally. See the conclusions yourself.
                    Quote: Ptah
                    Why, for example, Cambodia also not participate in this dump? You look and get combat experience for your own soldiers. There are also those who wish to get closer. The same Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan. But then it "opens the wicket" in general for all the armies of the world ...

                    This is not only discussed at this forum. Moreover, sooooo long ago. Even the article by L. Ivashov was. And not only him, all experts in the military and international spheres are sure of this. I do not listen to the cries of pseudo-patriots ....

                    Help is VERY needed. From us, products, medications, and whatnot ..., from Russia - by activity at the level of world diplomacy and by "GRU militias".
                    For the thousandth time I affirm - at this stage, there should be a MILITARY in the DPR. SPECIALISTS from RUSSIA, not "partisan detachments". There, it doesn't hurt to rush to partisan ...

                    Quote: avia1991
                    Israel does not painfully support the sanctions, and did not vote for a UN resolution condemning Moscow.

                    They are not alone ... I believe that this is a more honest attitude than just the silence of dozens of countries.
                    But does this give them the right to participate in the mess in Ukraine by the forces of their MILITARY ???
                2. smile
                  smile 8 May 2014 14: 17
                  +1
                  Ptah
                  In principle, I agree. But the participation of Jews, on a private basis, would, in my opinion, be useful from a propagandistic point of view - you yourself understand, if Jews appear there, helping the independent DPR, justifying their presence there by fighting the Nazis. the problem of the Holocaust will immediately come out :))) It turns out that the current authorities of Ukraine are followers of those who carried out it. The Jews are not us, it will be inconvenient for "progressive humanity" not to hear them ... :))).
                  And they won’t be able to compare them with the military of Cambodia - the Cambodians were not shot in Babi Yar .... In addition, the scandal will draw attention to mercenaries from Poland, the Baltic countries and others, for example, their striped PMCs, which the junta has already launched in Ukraine.

                  One thing - if they are military personnel, are they going to desert? What will Israel do to them after returning? I think Israel will not allow this - now the guys from the relevant services will conduct a preventive conversation with them and that's it .....
                  By the way, the Professor says that all this information is a duck invented by Eskin, whom he calls a marginal .... to see because Eskin has a different point of view from the Professor. And where is the truth - the devil knows him ...
                3. gav6757
                  gav6757 9 May 2014 01: 46
                  +1
                  What does it mean to attract Jews? This is ours !!! Soviet citizens !!! And if, at present, they live outside the former Soviet Union, this is not a reason to talk about them in such an ion!
                  These are our brothers! At least those who lived in the USSR and served in the SA.
                  And, if someone doesn’t understand this, out of meekness, or for some other reason, this is his personal problem, and the problem of his patriotic education at school age.
                  Sorry for such people !!!
                  And, in general, all on the occasion of the Great Victory !!!
              2. dkflbvbh
                dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 16: 18
                +3
                Do not roll your lip. Our volunteers go to Ukraine to wet Bandera, and these are waiting for an invitation from the government to carry out a peacekeeping mission to separate the warring parties. These are two big differences.
            2. Sinara70
              Sinara70 6 May 2014 21: 50
              0
              I think when the situation is rather complicated, in terms of defense of Slavyansk and other cities of the Southeast ...
              The need for volunteers from the RSFSR, other republics of the Union and Israel ..... is relevant !!!
              The question of the life and death of thousands of people, women, children, the elderly ....
              And who will be their defenders, what faith, nationality, political views ..... Put it aside .. !!!!
              When we finish with Kiev, Bandera, acting President, Acting premiere. and the rest of the trash !!!
              1. dkflbvbh
                dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 17: 21
                0
                The question is not who will protect, but how to protect. Right now, there is no need for a peacekeeping mission approved by the existing government, because all rebels automatically fall into the category of separatists and bandits and their actions are simply a riot, which must be suppressed, in what way it is not important by force or negotiations - the main thing is to suppress. And there now we need military assistance to the rebels.
            3. Sinara70
              Sinara70 6 May 2014 21: 50
              0
              I think when the situation is rather complicated, in terms of defense of Slavyansk and other cities of the Southeast ...
              The need for volunteers from the RSFSR, other republics of the Union and Israel ..... is relevant !!!
              The question of the life and death of thousands of people, women, children, the elderly ....
              And who will be their defenders, what faith, nationality, political views ..... Put it aside .. !!!!
              When we finish with Kiev, Bandera, acting President, Acting premiere. and the rest of the trash !!!
          2. Rus2012
            6 May 2014 14: 34
            +8
            Quote: smile
            a significant part of the Jews, even on this site, to put it mildly, does not support the decisive position of Russia and calls the adoption of the escaped Crimea fascists annexation.

            Dear smile, those who hang out here, as a rule, paid trolls laughing
            And there are those to whom Odessa-mother is not indifferent, like the former Motherland ...
            1. smile
              smile 6 May 2014 15: 14
              +2
              Rus2012
              Well, about the trolls - I don’t know, but I completely agree with the second point - there are a lot of great men among them .... Including on this site. :)))
          3. aleks 62
            aleks 62 8 May 2014 10: 21
            0
            .... Israel is currently pretty tense with amers ...
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 8 May 2014 10: 42
              +2
              "Lovely curses - only amuse themselves ..."
              / Heb. Nar folk./


              "Strained relations" Ameria has with the whole world, so the Jews decided in advance to competently rebound from those who had been heading them all their lives.
              "Strained relations" appear in the Dollyar as a "world" currency - the Jews cannot be denied their sagacity. Titka dries up - it's time to think about joining the vehicle, which, in principle, is impossible when "kissing passionately" with amers.
              "Strained relations" weakened in the other direction. The SIRS were somehow suspiciously smiling at the Persians that the Jews were not only not liking, but their direct participation in the tests of Iran’s nuclear weapons was bringing them closer.
          4. ty60
            ty60 8 May 2014 23: 10
            0
            only business is nothing personal. Personal is on the way with such dynamics.
        2. Berkut-UA
          Berkut-UA 7 May 2014 21: 20
          +3
          As requested

          You asked...

          ... We have done yes
      4. avg
        avg 6 May 2014 12: 19
        +7
        Quote: Civil
        That's right, it is "under the roof" that you need to send troops, right up to Lviv ...

        It remains only to come to an agreement with a rather cheeky "roof".
        We need to start helping the "Donetsk Army" everyone - from weapons, money and food to volunteers.
      5. asar
        asar 6 May 2014 17: 52
        +3
        Or maybe what is there, in Paris, Rome, London, or maybe overseas ...?!
      6. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 6 May 2014 20: 04
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        That's right, it is "under the roof" that you need to send troops, right up to Lviv ...

        Leonid Grigorievich Ivashov is the smartest man, for whom conscience is the main "navigational device" in life and possesses state thinking. It was not for nothing that his candidacy was put forward in the presidential elections. And the current one - Vladimir Putin - should have taken his advice for execution. And it would fit into the framework of international law, and in terms of law enforcement in relation to diligent students pin ... axis - ample opportunities for using the methods of this very pin ... axis ...
      7. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 8 May 2014 10: 04
        +1
        - this is our right, and we could introduce at least observers with international status to Odessa, and then establish peacekeeping posts that would be shared by the warring parties- Peacekeepers. Their under tanks and shelling? Forgot Ossetia? Peacekeepers do not have heavy weapons. But if they have a couple of hundred "Polite" in the bargain, then maybe it will be sensible. Otherwise -.......
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 8 May 2014 11: 10
          +1
          Greetings, Dima !!! hi
          Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
          But if they have a couple of hundred "Polite" in the bargain, then maybe it will be sensible. Otherwise -.......

          Really, it was impossible to understand this even a couple of months ago to some especially "impatient of our militarists" who called almost "next Sunday to gather at the stations" for a trip.
          Now, if this happened, it would be as if it would be necessary to knock out NATO members from all over Ukraine with the regular army of the Russian Federation. And so - the Russians calmed down, the Yusovites bite their nails in panic, "Durchinov and CO" ...
          Well, I don't know what the Durchinov and CO are doing ... what
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz 8 May 2014 11: 15
            +1
            Really, it was impossible to understand this a couple of months ago to some of our especially "impatient militarists" "Vadim! Greetings! We don’t decide, unfortunately. But the GDP is silent correctly. Something planned. Another knockout for mattresses and geyrope?" recourse"durchinov end CO ".Drochinov,so it seems! laughing
      8. ty60
        ty60 8 May 2014 22: 13
        0
        only under the roof. And no other way. Any other option is war. Bloody and protracted, undermining the economy. Mass victims of civilians.
    2. karal
      karal 6 May 2014 06: 56
      +12

      you need to lead the troops and the faster the better and they do not care about the American mongrel

      Then a large-scale war can not be avoided, but the question is why they fought for the Crimea?
      1. obraztsov
        obraztsov 6 May 2014 07: 28
        +19
        I propose to the opponents of troop deployment think about such questions:

        will we bite our elbows if we allow Bandera’s to crush supporters of federalization and all of Ukraine will become fascist? Could this be even greater harm to Russia than the deployment of troops? How much will the likelihood of terrorist attacks in Russia by Russian-speaking people of Slavic appearance? How many of our soldiers can die if the USA and Europe arm Ukraine and give them the command to go to war on Russia? How much harder will it be if the Third World War starts?

        I’m not saying that letting the fascists defeat, we will betray our dear ones who will die in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and other cities.

        Our dear brothers, God grant you the strength to survive and defeat with or without the Russian army. I understand that you are fighting not only for yourself, but also for us living in Russia. I thank the volunteers from the Crimea and other regions of Russia, rushing to your aid.

        I also want to say that if in Russia people were brainwashed with the same intensity as in Ukraine, it is not known how many of us would defend Russia if we were in a similar situation.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 6 May 2014 08: 14
          +18
          obraztsov
          I propose to the opponents of troop deployment think about such questions:


          Supporters of the introduction of Russian troops into today's Ukraine "I propose to think about such issues" that the introduction of troops will cause:
          1) aggravation of the threat of the beginning of the world war, with a large number of victims, including civilians,
          2) uncertainty of the bulk of the "Ukrainian" people for military assistance to Russia, which will perceive it as Russia's aggression, and generate a large number of opponents of Russia not only among the indigenous "Ukrainians", but also among the ethnic Russians living in Ukraine,
          3) sharp aggravation of Russian-Ukrainian national relations, including at the household level, with far-reaching historical consequences.
          It is necessary to act in another way: the information war for the minds of the pro-Russian population of Ukraine, the diplomatic struggle for the interests of the pro-Russian population of the Outskirts at various international forums and meetings, the moral and material support of the resistance forces of the Kiev junta, the strengthening of the economic blockade of the Kiev junta, including gas supplies in the event of lack of advance payment.
          1. Good cat
            Good cat 6 May 2014 09: 11
            +2
            How many more people should die there, how can you protect people from frantic law-breakers by turning off the gas ????
          2. Saburov
            Saburov 6 May 2014 09: 29
            +31
            Calm down, the hot head will not make the right decisions, which is what the USA is counting on, making provocations, we are simply being pulled. In the Southeast there are forces and the border with the Russian Federation is open, who can guarantee that weapons and supplies do not go through it, if you were a little more closely, you would see that almost all combat self-defense battalions have good, modern equipment and communication stations They have excellent coordination, intelligence on the enemy and shelled forward detachments, but this is only what we are allowed to see in the media and cover groups in self-defense, but in reality no one guarantees that they do not have modern weapons for MANPADS, RPGs, and electronic warfare people, and nobody will prove, since before going out to battle, the documents and all things indicating things to be involved in the RF Armed Forces remain within the headquarters, and do not forget that only the naive believes that the city can feed itself in blockade yourself and your fighters, supply and financing is a fact, but who and how does this, let it remain a secret. So you will not get into such intelligence with such hasty conclusions and decisions.
            1. Turkir
              Turkir 6 May 2014 12: 54
              +8
              Gas outage throughout Europe. These are our sanctions.
              Is this a declaration of war?
              NO.
              This is our answer to the killers who cook their own food, ON OUR GAS!
              This is the answer of honest people.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 8 May 2014 01: 43
                0
                Quote: Turkir
                This is the answer of honest people.

                But the valves are not in the hands of "honest people". Therefore, they will not close.
            2. typhoon7
              typhoon7 6 May 2014 13: 08
              +1
              They do not have aviation or armored vehicles, so the losses will always be big and they will always be on the defensive, as in Slavyansk they are now blocked from all sides, although there are the most combat-ready militias there.
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 6 May 2014 16: 40
                +8
                Quote: typhoon7
                They do not have aviation or armored vehicles, so the losses will always be big and they will always be on the defensive, as in Slavyansk they are now blocked from all sides, although there are the most combat-ready militias there.

                Right! And you also need to take into account that people's brains wake up! Vaughn Avakov complains: “We do not have adequate military special forces!” The Ukrainian military cannot shoot at civilians. This limitation is actively used by the enemy. The enemy hides behind him and shoots from there. We cannot take and knock out this landing with helicopter or machine gun fire. Because there are peaceful houses.

                When there is such a war, I ask everyone who is in the rear, not on the front line, who is clever, who gives "advice": understand the real situation. Our army was methodically falling apart. We do not have adequate special forces. What is happening now is military coordination, the first in many years. We see who is who. Who is the imitator, who refuses, who plays. And who is not afraid, "the minister wrote."
                xxx
                In my opinion, people who refuse to fight with the civilian population are quite adequate, unlike Avakov and the entire junta!
            3. Tiamat2702
              Tiamat2702 6 May 2014 13: 52
              -1
              Quote: Saburov
              Calm down, the hot head will not make the right decisions ...

              The fact of the matter is that it is time to send troops with a cold head. I hope this will happen soon.
            4. sokrat7
              sokrat7 6 May 2014 15: 32
              +5
              Yes, there is something like that. But here one single question continues to torment me - and what, the Ukrainian army and border troops are equipped exclusively with zapadentsy and Bendera? Where are our officers, soldiers? What the hell is going on.
              1. Berkut-UA
                Berkut-UA 10 May 2014 01: 01
                0
                They are all passive, as they fear for their families.
                It is enough that 3-4 colonels in the Armed Forces of the United States join together to march to Kiev - the cranes of all this trash.
                But Russia should not intervene when spiders, cockroaches and bugs fight for power in Ukraine.
                You can’t insert your finger in such an explosive mixture.
                Here's to help light a cleansing fire,
                so that the inhabitants of Ukraine themselves do not sit out - but Fight,
                this help could be provided.
            5. dkflbvbh
              dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 17: 08
              +2
              Where did you get information about the city’s food supply? And then my brother says to me that the shops are closed - there’s nothing to trade, I’ll even call him to tell you where to stock up ...
            6. avia1991
              avia1991 8 May 2014 01: 39
              +2
              Quote: Saburov
              that almost all self-defense combat battalions have good, modern equipment and communication stations, they have excellent coordination, intelligence on the enemy and fired forward detachments,

              And where did you, sir, see this? .. Assault rifles: AK-47, AKM, AKMS, rarely, rarely AK-74. Camouflage - mostly heavily worn, it is available for sale, and in the local warehouses, something could be littered. And as for the means of communication .. In general, either you have served a lot for a long time, and you poorly imagine the MODERN equipment, or you said it because you would like it. Even the army men have outdated equipment, and I am silent about the militia! It’s obvious that they don’t get any help.
          3. Prometey
            Prometey 6 May 2014 10: 31
            +2
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Supporters of the introduction of Russian troops into today's Ukraine "I propose to think about such issues" that the introduction of troops will cause:
            1) the aggravation of the threat of the outbreak of world war, with a large number of victims, including civilians,

            Europeans will not go to die for Ukrainians, and the United States will not fight alone.
            Quote: vladimirZ
            the uncertainty of the bulk of the "Ukrainian" people for military assistance to Russia, which will perceive it as an aggression to Russia, and will generate a large number of opponents of Russia not only among the indigenous "Ukrainians", but also among ethnic Russians living in Ukraine,

            Uncertainty does not mean hostility. If everything goes "politely", in the worst case, they will be greeted neutrally.
            Quote: vladimirZ
            sharp aggravation of Russian-Ukrainian national relations

            The patient is already dead, why try to resuscitate a corpse?
            Quote: vladimirZ
            including at the household level, with far-reaching historical consequences.

            For most of our citizens, believe me - this is nonsense. My relatives live in Odessa region. When the mess started in the Crimea, they told us that you don’t give a Russian to poke your nose in other people's affairs (and these are relatives!) So what - removed them from classmates and no more contacts. Believe me, I do not suffer from this at the social level.
            1. Gagauz
              Gagauz 6 May 2014 17: 09
              +24
              Good afternoon, I rarely write on this resource, but now I could not stand it. At the enterprise where I work with 84 employees, 4 of them are good and with understanding about the current situation with Russia (we are considered to be separatists in the team), the rest are ardent Russophobes, the most ardent of them being purely Russian by nationality, most of them are ready to fight with Russia . And this is in 100% RUSSIAN-speaking city of Dnepropetrovsk. The introduction of troops will only increase the number of those, and NOT the introduction will reduce the physical number of people like me. After Odessa, some began to think, but I’m afraid of how many more people should die to change their minds. I am not of Slavic nationality - but I am RUSSIAN. Believe me, there are few Russians here, a lot of Russian speakers, and few Russians.
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 7 May 2014 01: 56
                +3
                Poroshenko admitted that a poisonous substance was used in the Molotov cocktail in the Odessa "Khatyn". Those. people (90% Ukrainians) were poisoned, and to be sure - a control in the head, and to conceal the murder they were doused with gasoline and burned. And all this with the approval of the Kiev cannibals. So what else do the Ukrainians need in order not to puff on Russia, but to crush this evil with their own hands? soldier
              2. ty60
                ty60 8 May 2014 23: 31
                0
                and employees receive a salary, and enough money for the Internet? Maidan pays.
          4. Elle-elle
            Elle-elle 6 May 2014 11: 34
            +9
            I didn’t think that I would encounter such a thing, BUT - there are colleagues who seriously believe that Russia attacked first and bit off the Crimea. Well, so they see! And this is SE! To such people, it is still not clear why this was done ... add here the national propaganda on TV and get an incendiary mixture in their heads.
            1. washi
              washi 6 May 2014 12: 30
              +1
              Quote: Elle-elle
              I didn’t think that I would encounter such a thing, BUT - there are colleagues who seriously believe that Russia attacked first and bit off the Crimea. Well, so they see! And this is SE! To such people, it is still not clear why this was done ... add here the national propaganda on TV and get an incendiary mixture in their heads.

              Where is the agitation and propaganda on your part?
              I understand that it’s hard, but you are on this site. And on what sites are your relatives and friends?
              I can recommend http://kievforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=24. There are all sorts, but most of ours.
          5. Klim
            Klim 6 May 2014 11: 56
            +1
            What is a world war? Wake up, no one from the Western countries really will do this 2) what ethnic Russians and Ukrainians born under the USSR will fight against Russia? There are only jerks processed by Amer propaganda and also not serving in the army who are active but their minuscule would not otherwise local law enforcement agencies will cope with them from Kharkov to Odessa and from Odessa to Dnepropetrovsk. In lead troops, local law enforcement agencies will cope with the fascist garbage. Well, about a sharp aggravation this is generally something, look at your relatives who don’t have ancestors from Ukraine or generally open any telephone directory of any Russian city there are a third of Ukrainian names
          6. Tiamat2702
            Tiamat2702 6 May 2014 13: 47
            +4
            Quote: vladimirZ

            Supporters of the introduction of Russian troops into today's Ukraine "I propose to think about such issues" that the introduction of troops will cause:
            1) aggravation of the threat of the beginning of the world war, with a large number of victims, including civilians,
            On the one hand, it is logical, but if you think about it, the threat of a world war is much greater if you do not send troops. Example: if, in the year 38 of the last century, England and France accepted Stalin’s offer to oppose Hitler, then the Second World War would not be so large-scale and bloody. But no, they waited first on the 39th, then on the 41st, and some on the 44th ..... So the situation in this regard is actually the same.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 7 May 2014 02: 04
              +4
              The people of the southeast must decide their own destiny. The referendum on May 11 will show the result of this decision. yes
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 8 May 2014 01: 50
                0
                The troops are no longer waiting for the team. He himself said that he was taken to places of permanent deployment.
          7. avia1991
            avia1991 8 May 2014 01: 32
            0
            Quote: vladimirZ
            the uncertainty of the bulk of the "Ukrainian" people to military assistance to Russia, which will perceive it as Russia's aggression,

            The key word here is "uncertainty": maybe they will perceive it this way, or maybe this way, you cite this assumption as an indisputable fact. However, Peskov himself, commenting on the President who had been silent since the beginning of the assault on May 2, said that "it is very difficult for him now: we receive thousands of calls, thousands of letters from the cities of the South-East with a request for help .." This is not an indirect opinion people?
        2. Prometey
          Prometey 6 May 2014 10: 40
          +4
          Quote: obraztsov
          will we bite our elbows if we allow Bandera’s to crush supporters of federalization and all of Ukraine will become fascist? Could this be even greater harm to Russia than the deployment of troops?

          Will be. The Kiev junta will ring out to the whole world that Russia is frightened by "independent", even those who now support us will turn their backs on us. NATO with a satisfied grin will begin to arm the "victorious" Bandera army. The centers of possible opposition to the bandit junta will be finally suppressed. Opponents of banderization will be hammered with fittings and burned with gasoline until the people are completely occupied. If now, Russia is afraid of losing one piece on the Ukrainian chessboard, we will soon be put in check and then checkmated.
          1. typhoon7
            typhoon7 6 May 2014 13: 10
            +3
            I subscribe to your comment.
          2. ty60
            ty60 8 May 2014 23: 36
            0
            Do not spit in the sky, a chance to get to the moon 1: 100 000
        3. Elle-elle
          Elle-elle 6 May 2014 11: 26
          +10
          Very sensible remark! The action of local media surprisingly clogs the brain to the absolute majority. It was worth turning off the Russian television channels, and a month to twist the national propaganda-as we see what? - Even sane production workers, my colleagues, began to speculate that Russia is an occupier, and in Slavyansk there are a handful of terrorists. A month ago, these people did not reason like that! With sadness, I observe how over time such propaganda does its job, and the number of Russian supporters decreases. This is similar to an experiment in psychology (such an experiment was conducted): if 9 people came together and insist that the pyramid is white, then the tenth will say that it is white, although it sees black.
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        5. Sinara70
          Sinara70 6 May 2014 21: 58
          0
          We must, We must immediately help !!!!
          Weapons, ammunition, advisers, people., Fighters ..... All ages. all - who are ready ..... to accept life and death ... Outside ..on today their country .....
          But in many countries the country lives ONE- the Soviet Union ........... Here I am from that country !!!!
          Volunteers, of course ....
          So far, GDP has not given an order ......
          Thinks, decides, determines ...
          The decision is serious and complex ....
          Behind each letter of this decision ..- the life or death of a young or ... not very young citizen of the Country ......
        6. Sinara70
          Sinara70 6 May 2014 21: 58
          0
          We must, We must immediately help !!!!
          Weapons, ammunition, advisers, people., Fighters ..... All ages. all - who are ready ..... to accept life and death ... Outside ..on today their country .....
          But in many countries the country lives ONE- the Soviet Union ........... Here I am from that country !!!!
          Volunteers, of course ....
          So far, GDP has not given an order ......
          Thinks, decides, determines ...
          The decision is serious and complex ....
          Behind each letter of this decision ..- the life or death of a young or ... not very young citizen of the Country ......
      2. mamont5
        mamont5 6 May 2014 07: 41
        +10
        Quote: karal
        you need to lead the troops and the faster the better and they do not care about the American mongrel

        Then a large-scale war can not be avoided, but the question is why they fought for the Crimea?


        There will be no large-scale war. NATO will not dare to enter into conflict directly, and they don’t have a mandate. Ukraine is not a NATO country. Mischief, of course, will go all out, in Syria or in Chechnya. So they are doing it now, are not shy.
        1. grog_bm
          grog_bm 6 May 2014 08: 21
          +10
          But I'm thinking - it's better to send assistance to such "events" behind the scenes of the Cossack troops (volunteers), they are not fully introduced as a military formation of the RF Armed Forces, but the overwhelming majority have combat experience, and atamans and foremen are generally retired military personnel (officers) ... Vooot ... something like this ... and then it will be seen ... the main thing is that the Donbass survived and Lugansk - from them in the future it is possible for the insurgent people to move westward to Kiev ...
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 7 May 2014 02: 11
          +1
          Crap will be big. But we have already done this in Georgia, Moldova and Chechnya. Fart, fart and gas run out. bully
      3. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 6 May 2014 08: 23
        +3
        karal
        Then a large-scale war cannot be avoided, and from here the question is why they fought for Crimea

        Not a good example!
        Judging by it, Crimea was exchanged for Ukraine! So what?
        If you talk like that, then it turns out to be an agreement with Obama "You are silent about the Crimea, and we will be silent about Ukraine!"
        Think what you say!
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      5. asar
        asar 6 May 2014 18: 15
        +1
        Without Crimea, the Black Sea would be lost for Russia! And the very fate of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia would be a big question! These are the realities of the present!
      6. s1н7т
        s1н7т 6 May 2014 20: 41
        -1
        Quote: karal
        hence the question, why fought for the Crimea?

        As an option - that on the day "D" there were no enemy troops and other Crimean Tatars.
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    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 May 2014 06: 58
      +3
      Quote: maks-xnumx
      you need to drive troops and the faster the better

      First, remove all the loot from your cards.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 6 May 2014 07: 01
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        First, remove all the loot from your cards.

        Alexander, what about your "face"? What is the degree of brutality? lol
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 May 2014 07: 12
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          What is the degree of brutality?

          There is a St. George ribbon below. Against the background of a smoker, it does not roll hi
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 6 May 2014 07: 24
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        First, remove all the loot from your cards.
        They made it, the Americans put us on the "card system" ... laughing
      3. obraztsov
        obraztsov 6 May 2014 07: 32
        +3
        The primary care of the wallet is actively instilled in us by Western ideology. God willing, we live without their cards.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 May 2014 07: 53
          0
          Quote: obraztsov
          The primary care of the wallet is actively instilled in us by Western ideology.

          I would look at you when you received your salary you would fly to an ATM. And there UPS, your card is blocked. You are home to your wife, wife to an ATM, and there it is.
          When she asks you a question - And what will I be bringing children to tomorrow?
          You show her your comments.
          1. obraztsov
            obraztsov 6 May 2014 08: 23
            +2
            It will be very disappointing, I agree. Therefore, I try to ensure that my income comes from several sources.

            At the place of my main job, my salary is transferred to the Zolotaya Korona card, which is less exposed to such risks.

            In addition, you know about the new law on the national payment system. The state is trying to reduce such risks for our citizens.

            Well, the last. Money from a blocked card can be obtained from the operator in the bank itself. Let there be gigantic lines, but money must not be lost.

            The biggest problems may be those who find themselves abroad without cash.
          2. Prometey
            Prometey 6 May 2014 11: 37
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You home to wife

            ... and the wife is also blocked? laughing
            1. Azzzwer
              Azzzwer 6 May 2014 12: 43
              +1
              Quote: Prometey
              ... and the wife is also blocked?
              Yeah, a neighbor from the apartment opposite! wink
          3. Azzzwer
            Azzzwer 6 May 2014 12: 39
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            When she asks you a question - And what will I feed the children with tomorrow?
            And didn’t you think of going to the bank to withdraw cash through the cashier? This is the time. Two, your company (the organization where you work, may well be able to independently issue a salary to its employees through its cash desk!
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 6 May 2014 23: 19
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I would look at you when you received your salary you would fly to an ATM. And there UPS, your card is blocked. You are home to your wife, wife to an ATM, and there it is.

            Money can be withdrawn from the account without a card, right at the bank.
            1. Sour
              Sour 7 May 2014 14: 26
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              I would look at you when you received your salary you would fly to an ATM. And there UPS, your card is blocked. You are home to your wife, wife to an ATM, and there it is.

              Money can be withdrawn from the account without a card, right at the bank.

              You can get it in bookkeeping, through the cashier. They are obliged to issue within the terms established by the employment contract, regardless of problems with the bank. That is the law.
              People think that their salaries are not paid by the employer, but by the "visa" or "mastercard" payment system. But at the same time, there are a lot of people who want to discuss financial topics. This is the funniest thing.
          5. avia1991
            avia1991 8 May 2014 01: 55
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            When she asks you a question - And what will I be bringing children to tomorrow?

            Stupidly went to the bank cash desk, and received money from the account! Accustomed to amenities ?! Nothing terrible will happen, they will launch their payment system, that's all. Tolerate a little bit!
    5. qwert
      qwert 6 May 2014 07: 03
      0
      "Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma - then rulers of the United States, Britain, Russia and Ukraine - signed the Budapest Memorandum to disarm and renounce nuclear weapons in the former Soviet republics after the collapse of the USSR.
      Formally, this means that if Russia invades Ukrainian territory, it will be difficult for the United States and Britain to evade hostilities. "
      As I understand it, if requested by the "Ukrainian government". But, whatever one may say, there is a diplomatic document untie the United States' hands. If Obamka wants to keep his reputation and improve his image, he can risk a direct armed conflict with Russia on the territory of Ukraine.
      1. 225chay
        225chay 8 May 2014 09: 45
        0
        Quote: qwert
        "Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma - the then rulers of the United States, Britain, Russia and Ukraine - signed the Budapest Memorandum


        All of the above are purulent p .... ry
    6. Lyubimov
      Lyubimov 6 May 2014 07: 05
      +2
      Russia will send troops before the referendum, immediately from the other side of Ukraine troops will be introduced by Poles, Lithuanians, etc. under the auspices of NATO, the troops will not be introduced before the referendum
    7. Horde
      Horde 6 May 2014 07: 14
      -6
      what is waiting for Putin? waiting until the question with the militias closes by itself?
    8. bomg.77
      bomg.77 6 May 2014 08: 03
      +11
      You don’t think that this is too obvious a step for Russia. The West is counting on this step, but Russia does not take it, so they are already going on outright massacres so that Russia comes in! You can’t enter ...... for now. Time is our friend it will break through in the west, as it was with Georgia, and we will cleanse this scum only as liberators, not aggressors!
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 6 May 2014 10: 35
        +5
        In the process, while we were discussing here, our arrived in Anthracite!
      2. qwert
        qwert 6 May 2014 16: 00
        +2
        On April 30, for such words on this very site, they torn me like a heating pad. Still, people are beginning to think and understand that politics is not Gopnik's "arrow"
      3. asar
        asar 6 May 2014 18: 24
        +1
        No matter how bitter it sounds, but at the moment you need to maintain exposure! BYe without the introduction of troops!
    9. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 6 May 2014 09: 03
      +6
      your mind has fallen to the level of the American! send troops! we will tear all! fear us! we carry democracy!
    10. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 6 May 2014 10: 57
      +4
      First and foremost, we need to scrape the old ties of service.
      I do not believe that all units and commanders support this chaos.
      There are many parts from under Dnepropetrovsk. If even several parts of especially tank and airborne units turn their weapons against the junta, and will go to free up Dnepropetrovsk (for example, those regions where their families are hostages), the picture will change dramatically.
      The total number of junta forces is small - all 7 regions will stand up, with a minimum amount of armor - they simply can’t cover such territory. And most importantly, open the border with Russia everywhere from the inside - so that there would be a corridor for those who want and know how to fight, for possible humanitarian aid, for evacuating families , and just buy bread and insulin, and go to a gas station.
    11. Validator
      Validator 6 May 2014 11: 04
      +4
      If we introduce regular troops, then under the flag of the CIS. Ask Kazakhs, Armenians to participate symbolically. But a much better volunteer army
    12. milann
      milann 6 May 2014 11: 50
      +1
      CLICK THE MOUSE ON THE CANDLE ––– IGNITION HER––

      http://www.22.taranenko.biz/
    13. washi
      washi 6 May 2014 12: 09
      +5
      Quote: maks-xnumx
      you need to lead troops and the faster the better and they do not care about American mongrel.

      Running to the draft board. Maybe you will be in time.
      They got headless.
      Stop agitating for the entry of troops.
      Drive yourself. Personally. Nobody forbids you.
      Are you few articles on this site?
      Read others:
      http://seva-riga.livejournal.com/78444.html
      http://seva-riga.livejournal.com/80863.html
      http://centerkor-ua.livejournal.com/35256.html
      http://russian.rt.com/article/30320#ixzz30YuWv9iY
      If you wish, you will find more.
      AND EVERYTHING says that the TROOP IS NOT IMPLEMENTABLE
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 8 May 2014 02: 03
        0
        Quote: Vasya
        AND EVERYTHING says that the TROOP IS NOT IMPLEMENTABLE

        Cool argument. There are millions of websites only in Runet! So what? And how to climb a woman - we will also find out on the forums? Who will advise what ?! Everyone decides for himself what is right. And there are no less arguments "for" than "against"!
    14. jktu66
      jktu66 6 May 2014 15: 23
      +5
      you need to lead troops and the faster the better and they do not care about American mongrel.
      Where to send troops ??? Ukraine is sick with fascism and Russophobia, the result of 20 years of independence! Odessa showed it in the most disgusting and monstrous way! Donetsk and Luhansk is an island of humanity and common sense in Ukraine, which can and should be helped to defend its rights by both "humanitarian aid" and volunteers. Even if 30% of the population is on the side of the Kiev up.yrs, this is more than 10 million people. As soon as we bring in troops, there will be "good uncles" to arm several hundred thousand of them and kill our guys with their hands! DO NOT HAVE A PROVOCATION
    15. For Russia
      For Russia 6 May 2014 15: 48
      +5
      don’t rush to send troops, the inhabitants themselves should rise and not hump in the mines, they need to be helped with weapons and instructors, as well as carry out sabotage activities .. and also let volunteers go who want to fight on the side of the people.
    16. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 13: 15
      +1
      Where to send troops? Who to save? Now they shoot only in Slavyansk and Slavyansk region. Landing in Slavyansk? Holding a referendum and joining it to Russia? I am for.
    17. kare
      kare 7 May 2014 17: 51
      +2
      Opinion of Belarusian colleagues
  2. mig31
    mig31 6 May 2014 06: 53
    +1
    That's right, we need the first significant step, and not slowly ...
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS 6 May 2014 15: 06
      +3
      Let's wait on May 11th. I think GDP is also waiting. Now in the southeast of Ukraine there are scattered militia groups that are not legally covered. As soon as a referendum is held (whether they recognize it or not in the west and in Kiev), a document will be born expressing the will of the people and only then can terror be heard against their own people by the acting authorities of Ukraine. You can enter peacekeepers. This is well understood both in the West and in Kiev, so until May 11 they will try to do more nasty things with impunity (it seems to them so). Because after May 11 they’ll be immediately hit on the head, and they will recall the recent past ....
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  3. Serge_SB
    Serge_SB 6 May 2014 07: 01
    +4
    True, and under the auspices of the CSTO, these are our common interests.
    1. Canep
      Canep 6 May 2014 08: 41
      +3
      Will this lead to a war between Ukraine and Russia?
      The Ukrainian Army cannot take control of two small cities defended by militias on its territory, and they certainly will not be able to confront the Russian army. Most likely, this power will be thrown off even before the Russian army arrived in Kiev.
      1. marshes
        marshes 6 May 2014 17: 11
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        The Ukrainian Army cannot take control of two small cities defended by militias on its territory, and they certainly will not be able to confront the Russian army. Most likely, this power will be thrown off even before the Russian army arrived in Kiev.

        Their tactics are different, they are not going to enter the cities, they just want to lure those who resist into the "clean" field.
    2. marshes
      marshes 6 May 2014 17: 08
      0
      Ukraine is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, which means that troops will not be brought in. There was no attack from outside.
      Quote: Serge_SB
      these are our common interests.

      Each country has its own interests.
      The CSTO did not participate when there were events in Kyrgyzstan.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 6 May 2014 17: 56
        +5
        Hi guys! Even if peacekeepers from the CIS are introduced, then without the participation of ... RF. Strange as it may seem. Pravoseki will start shooting and the temporary workers will start screaming as if they had been cut. "The Russians came to destroy and appropriate the Square. Well, etc., etc."
        You can enter from the CIS, because Kiev announced an exit under temporary workers. I’m only afraid that the gut is thin in the CIS without the Russian Federation. We, perhaps, have a special peacekeeping battalion. And that’s all. The rest can only stand people. Well this is one trouble. If that RF equipment will help. But who will take the initiative and show organizational qualities?
        It would certainly be great. Introduce peacekeepers so that there will be no more "shooters and fires" (I think Ukrainian. Army men will only be happy). Conduct referendums and elections. And let them live as they agree. But ... the West will not be happy with this option. Until the second Somalia is figured out (or Yemen), these will not calm down. I'm afraid the temporary workers will arrange Victory Day for all of us (they will go out of their way to disrupt the May 11 referendum). hi
        Happy Victory Day ALL! Good luck to all of us!
        1. marshes
          marshes 6 May 2014 18: 01
          +1
          Quote: Kasym
          Happy Victory Day ALL! Good luck to all of us!

          And you with the holiday!
          Only under the UN mandate, and even if countries outside the NATO or CSTO are participating.
          1. marshes
            marshes 6 May 2014 18: 30
            0
            Countries that can participate in the UN mission: China-as an incoming country Owls. without. un-major.
            From Europe - Austria, Switzerland, Finland.
            From Asia-India for example
            Africa-South Africa for example.
            And America's South, Central, and North (Mexico)
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 7 May 2014 02: 30
              +1
              A regiment of Papuans with spears, and for commander Barack ibn Obama in a skirt of feathers and with a ring in his nose. Banderlogs themselves will die of laughter. bully
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 6 May 2014 18: 32
            +1
            In my opinion, South Ossetia and Abkhazia were from the CIS, without the UN. Only then did they recognize (the UN). And he consisted only of Russians. Of course, it is necessary that the "unrecognized republics" ask to bring in peacekeepers.
            Unfortunately, we cannot get the UN mandate now. And Ukraine doesn't give a damn about the rest. For the West, the worse there is, the better for them. You can see this as a struggle between the West and the Customs Union for Ukraine. But I'm afraid this confrontation will lead to the collapse of the latter. The West (the US would be glad, but the EU will not sign) will not send troops, but it will not let others either. Only we remain. Putin will not introduce himself without serious escalation (otherwise the relationship is the same as between the Russians and the Poles). For example, they will start to "erase" the population. points in the southeast. That is why I say that so that Ukrainians do not sit on treason, the CIS should introduce peacekeepers without Russia, if of course. Until then, collect evidence against the junta. Pravoseki in alliance with temporary workers are obliged to answer. You can't let this down. My two grandfathers never fought (one of them came back crippled from near Stalingrad - he was the chairman of the collective farm until the war ended, the other reached Vienna).
            1. marshes
              marshes 6 May 2014 18: 46
              0
              Right now, Pan Gimun wants to become a mediator, it will turn out to be a nobel after him. The Kiev authorities do not mind.
              There is no one who is not going to wash settlements, for which they have an extra "crap".
              Junta? Pravoseki? Well that still there are no left-handed smile Although it is possible and the Makhnovists will appear.
              Quote: Kasym
              . My two grandfathers did not fight at all (one from Stalingrad crippled back - he was the chairman of the collective farm until the war ended, the second reached Vienna).

              My grandfather also fought, his kidneys near Minsk flashed, the other was young ...
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 6 May 2014 19: 16
                +4
                Swamps, I have a fantasy of course wassat stormy. But ... purely hypothetically ... Imagine that kaz. world. baht. (or already a team of NAS peacekeepers was constantly increasing numerically, I remember starting to form from a platoon) it turned out to be near Slavyansk (the Russian Federation gave an armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicles so as not to drive its own from the Republic of Kazakhstan, it provided all the logistics). With a mandate from the CIS. Armed Forces of Ukraine, incl. Air Force, only they will be happy. They definitely won’t shoot and fly. Docs and reasons for entering, please, here are the wounded and killed civilians. Right-wingers against trained peacekeepers will not stand nearby. Only provocations. Temporary workers to warn that with deterioration there will be a more mass contingent with all the heavy. weapons. They will only have to squeal, with the help of local (they know the location and location of the enemy) pravoseki squeeze a minimum of squeeze-will shoot, destroy. Enough in Battalion in Slavyansk, even to Kiev do not need to go. No more. Pravoseki without an army is no longer such a force. They will climb into other regions. But local ones (without army support) will begin to tear themselves. And there is already the situation. I understand that there will be losses. But the peacekeepers have such a job. The Russians will go - it will only get worse. There neutrals can take up arms. And we, Kazakhs, no matter how we do business. We have no borders with Ukraine. hi
                In the army, I almost did not catch up with one Ukrainians only because he claimed that we all went to Basmachi and did not participate in the Second World War. And I reminded him of Bandera. This Satan got out. And only in the summer, the people of Kiev told me that there is no difference between the eastern and western. And here it is.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 6 May 2014 19: 37
                  +1
                  At the expense of KAZBAT, they will not send him to Ukraine, God forbid someone will die. I hope you understand how this can end ...
                  Iraq, there engineers and sappers were also familiar, ..., died, together Kairat Kudabaev studied at the Secondary Art School.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  In the army, I almost did not catch up with one Ukrainians only because he claimed that we all went to Basmachi and did not participate in the Second World War. And I reminded him of Bandera. This Satan got out. And only in the summer, the people of Kiev told me that there is no difference between the eastern and western. And here it is.

                  I have a Ukrainian friend, Banderovets smile Ancestors from Khmelnitsky, and I’m sure if he covers me.
                  Although I recall my father’s service, immigrants from eastern Ukraine all tried, as it were, to say smarter than appearing to their superiors, unlike Westerners. So I was not in the Western Peace Party and I was lucky that my father would not be sent to Mongolia, without quarter smile .
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 6 May 2014 21: 22
                    +3
                    This is how I see the situation. The army does not want to fight, otherwise militiamen would be cleaned from the turntables. So you write about the army men adequate from the West. Among them are not a few Russians, from mixed marriages, and indeed normal Ukrainians. Also among the officers there are many normal ones - they are not blind. For a long time, these roadblocks would be demolished. But no. So the right sector is operating under their armor and air cover.
                    Russians are one thing, Kazakhs are another. We obviously did not come for their land. Next the army will turn on the back. The RF peacekeepers' mandate was signed. If you touch it, you will receive 08.08.08 from Russia. So the sun will not dare. We are not going to enter there in tanks and planes. Small arms, and armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. Remains right-sided, the bulk of the boys. Yarosh talked about 10. I think a maximum of 000. That's why they run Dnepropetrovsk-Kharkov-Odessa. These weapons won't fold. That's where they can stand somewhere. No more. Moreover, few of them want to go to the East. Pravosek and temporary workers will understand that Moscow is behind us and ... Russian tanks will be near Kiev, if the peacekeepers begin to kill. Then no "Western sanctions" will help. All rights and truth for the Russian Federation.
                    The whole point is that we need Ukraine. Cure for a year. But then give it to the mercy, like some kind of banana country. Somehow not for me. He was also a servant from the West. Oshurko Vasily. A good kid is right, without showing off, said-did.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 6 May 2014 21: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: Kasym
                      The army does not want to fight, otherwise militiamen would be cleaned from the turntables.

                      There is no army, they spread it to the edge. Now there is only coordination, they will be restored will be the most powerful in Europe.
                      Quote: Kasym
                      You write about adequate army from the West. Among them are not a few Russians, from mixed marriages, and indeed normal Ukrainians. Also among the officers there are many normal ones - they are not blind. For a long time, these roadblocks would be demolished. But no. So the right sector is operating under their armor and air cover.

                      Yes, there is no army! This is a lesson for us! High salaries-work, work ...

                      Quote: Kasym
                      . For a long time, these roadblocks would be demolished. But no. So the right sector is operating under their armor and air cover.

                      Yes, they do not want losses among civilians, journalists will tear and then the public.
                      Stupid use of aviation, although they did not badly repair the twinks.
                      Where are the corrected ammunition? Which can be used without entering the air defense zone. Only for export.
                      Helicopter pilots, not a few who participated in UN missions in Africa, damn they have experience.
                      Yarosh scarecrow ...
                      Honestly, Kasym, you are not a Kazakh, I suspect the consulate of the Russian Federation. in Almaty, they simply misled my fellow tribesmen.
                      From the west, surnames end mainly in K but not in O.
                      1. Kasym
                        Kasym 6 May 2014 23: 11
                        +3
                        Consulate of the Russian Federation, say. Oh well. In spies means Russian recorded. bully
                        Honestly, I just put myself in the shoes of a person from the Union. With common interests. Ukraine is OUR. Point. Let them understand in the West that we are ready for anything. This is our territory of influence. I do not want future generations to disentangle it. But. We must pass on to the descendants everything that our grandfathers left us good.
                        You all correctly write about the army of Ukraine, I try to somehow be more delicate. But the turntables are shooting, the planes are flying. There will be no slaughter of our peacekeepers. The gut of these temporary workers is thin. What are they afraid of? These pogromists from the Westerners? Our task is to stand between them, not fight. Give people the opportunity to define themselves. Who will stand between the essentially Russian and Western Ukrainians from the Pravoseks? Russians from the Russian Federation will not suit one side. They will start screaming that the land is being taken away. I already hinted in the old comments that we might be the first to be "asked". Both sides know us. We are not NATO and there are no common borders. And if there will be at least one XNUMXth from our side, then ... Self-defense will disarm, putting it in a weapon-shop controlled by them and under our supervision. Rightists, or weapons here, or went from here to themselves. Troops to the place of deployment. We do not understand in an amicable way, it will be difficult with the introduction of Russian tanks. Do you think they will be able to grimace further? Our boys in KazBrig are all contractors, trained. They will hold out to the extreme, the border is close. Air support provided.
                        Of course, all this is hypothetical. Still, 23 years in their apartments affected. And enough emotions. But ... in principle, this is a normal move for the future Union. Putin from the very beginning saw Ukraine in the Union. Ours for speed wanted faster, although he knows the potential of Ukraine and its importance for us. A market in the center of Europe with a population of 50 mil. not scattered and a third of the cropland of Europe.
                        I am the father of three children, so least of all I want all sorts of revolutions and wars.
                      2. marshes
                        marshes 6 May 2014 23: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Kasym
                        I am the father of three children, so least of all I want all sorts of revolutions and wars.

                        After 2017, your children "feel". Although they could be neutral.
                        Although there is another way, they decide ...
                      3. Kasym
                        Kasym 7 May 2014 00: 23
                        +1
                        The unit commander asked this Oshurko to advocate for the Komsomol (promised a vacation). I immediately explained what and how. Yes, he insisted. I just hinted to Vasily, like the commander asked to talk and tear his ass for the sake of vacation, I'm not going. And he told me. "They will put me on a pitchfork on the farm." Here's a Bandera. But it so happened that it was me with him who had to "resolve issues" with young people. I served at the "point" (25-35 soldiers). For some reason, many believe that in such parts of the mess and "hazing" in the most severe form. But this is not the case. If a scuffle, then this is the most extreme case, the part is small, it immediately affected the atmosphere inside. More in words. Or a maximum of "plywood" - it is immediately clear that neither is so. But this is a rarity. I remember taking pictures for my call for demobilization (one was like that), three of us. He asked the boys not to touch them. "I will leave, I will do everything for everyone." And when we got up from 10ok photos ... no. I knew, how many guys are in the photo means so many pictures. In short, found. “When one rat appears, then everyone becomes like that.” - this is not applicable in small groups. The plywood cracked even when the person in charge came running - "I didn't see anything, but Basmach, Bandera, stop!" And as I promised, when I left, I printed it to everyone, no matter the spirit or the grandfather.
                      4. marshes
                        marshes 7 May 2014 00: 54
                        0
                        In short, smart people go to the cache, they don’t go to all kinds of government programs, they graze affiliated ones there, they create sawnings of small and medium-sized ones, and all normal business people who do not profile business are thrown off, and they’re not looking for mobility over the hill. So they scared not childishly, considering that the people employed there worked. A snowball is growing.
                        So troubles can begin. Tomorrow seems "hazy".
                        So the state will have to create new jobs, again the burden on the budget ...
  • Lelek
    Lelek 7 May 2014 02: 24
    +3
    The CSTO is, in my opinion, some kind of mythical organization in which there are a lot of opinions and advice, and actions are only on the part of Russia alone, the rest of the members are sitting and smoking. Even the recognition of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Transnistria is not signed. fool
  • papont64
    papont64 6 May 2014 07: 02
    +4
    In Kiev, not oligarchs, but officers should come to power.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 6 May 2014 08: 30
      +1
      papont64
      In Kiev, not oligarchs should come to power, but officers
      .
      Do you mean the officers who give commands for the military operations?
      Something recently, here about others nothing is heard and there is no talk!
      Ukraine missed its chance to restore order on its own (as it is not regrettable). And the forces of Self-Defense to maintain power in case of success are very small!
      The deployment of troops should not be regarded as military aggression, only to ensure the interim leadership of the country, until the order and possibility of reforms, respectively, and elections are established.
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    3. washi
      washi 6 May 2014 12: 48
      +4
      Quote: papont64
      In Kiev, not oligarchs, but officers should come to power.

      Where are the officers in Ukraine?
      In reserve? You can still find there.
      There are no words about the rest.
      Traitors.
      There were residents of the outskirts and Belarus in our unit in the Far East.
      They quit quickly to warm places.
      Indicative film 72 meters.
      Ours refused to take the oath to non-states.
  • Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 6 May 2014 07: 06
    +3
    "Kiev hopes for strength" And Kiev, believing in its impunity, hopes for bloody terror, which is being carried out throughout the southeast. The peacekeeping forces of Russia must be introduced against the genocide, which is being carried out by the Kiev Maidan today. As Lenin said, delay is like death. It must be remembered how Yarosh started in Kharkov and what it has already spilled into in Odessa. The IMF and the US openly demand that their Kiev puppets restore order, which means more punitive measures and money is allocated for this. I remember the hungry 90 years in Russia, and in Ukraine, where people did not live so richly, now, in these few weeks, I am sure they are already beginning to reach despair - and today we cannot allow fascism in Ukraine to march victoriously across Ukraine, arranging blockades of cities and burning people with impunity as the grandfathers and great-grandfathers of Yarosh's bandits did
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 May 2014 16: 52
      +2
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      "Kiev hopes for strength"


      "And the creation of special battalions is going on all over the country. It is possible that the next step is to replace the entire unreliable army, staffed by conscripts who do not really want to die, it is not known for what and for whom. Therefore, they will be replaced in full compliance with the requirements of the West about a professional army. It is now Turchinov who announced a call - "cannon fodder" is urgently needed. And then only mercenaries will be needed. Not thinking and not reasoning about orders from above. " (from)
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 6 May 2014 07: 10
    +4
    To send troops under the auspices of the CSTO and urgently, delaying death is similar, as the classic said, Russia in the singular can not be entered into the troops under any circumstances, this is fraught with the outbreak of a full-scale war.
    1. Horde
      Horde 6 May 2014 07: 17
      -1
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      rivo the beginning of a full-scale war


      with whom is the war? with america? but we have nuclear bombs, America will not take risks, so do not be afraid ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 May 2014 07: 55
        +1
        Quote: Horde
        so don't be afraid ...

        Horde. I thought you were smarter.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 6 May 2014 07: 16
    +1
    Quote: Serge_SB
    True, and under the auspices of the CSTO, these are our common interests.


    Better under the auspices of the SCO + countries in observer status. (Pakistan, India and Iran)
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 6 May 2014 10: 39
      +4
      Have you asked them? Do they want it? Pakistan and India are at war, Iran is a global outcast and such events will not have a positive effect on its image, and the issue with Syria is still open.
      There is no unique solution here for you and me, it will not do without losses.
      They are trying to drag Russia into the World War, which will begin when the Russian troops enter Ukraine. It will be announced immediately that the Russian Federation is an aggressor.
      So far, only volunteers without documents. In short, Africa.
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      2. creak
        creak 6 May 2014 11: 22
        +5
        The SCO Charter does not provide for peacekeeping operations outside the organization’s member countries, since the SCO is not a military organization, only anti-terrorist operations are allowed on the territory of one of the SCO members. As for BRICS - it doesn’t climb into any gates - one can imagine how the local population would react to the appearance of Chinese or blacks from South Africa on their territory, not to mention the fright that the BRICS countries would get into a conflict in Ukraine ( they have that their problems are few?). Recently, Ivashov and his right hand Sivkov give out such pearls - at least stand, at least fall ...
  • valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 6 May 2014 07: 19
    +3
    peacekeeping forces under the flag of the CSTO, Shanghai Cooperation Organization, BRICS or other international organization, as we did in Tajikistan, must be brought into Ukraine. These forces can be based on Russian troops, and it is clear that we will not receive support either in the UN Security Council or in the OSCE.

    Of course, you can send troops. But will all members of the CSTO, Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and BRICS support ours?
    But since such sacrifices have been made, at least a statement and preparations for the introduction of peacekeeping forces must be carried out immediately and openly. Amerikosy and NATO spat on world public opinion, but what makes us worse. The main thing is to save the Ukrainian people from this massacre.
  • Magadan
    Magadan 6 May 2014 07: 25
    +11
    Let Yanukovych form a government in exile.
    He takes there Azarov and the former head of the SBU, etc. etc. whom the junta expelled! What is wrong according to international standards? And what the hell did the Polish government in exile in England do in 1939-1945?
    Let him then subdue the loyal troops. Gaining volunteers. Russia will give weapons on credit!
    What's wrong again? And then what the hell did the Polish government in exile do the same !!! ???

    Explain to me, durrrrak, why Yanukovych, the legal president cannot organize his Army, and Russia cannot help him in this?
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 6 May 2014 14: 25
      +3
      Quote: Magadan
      Explain to me, durrrrak, why Yanukovych, the legal president, cannot organize his Army

      He and his family plundered Ukraine, bred oligarchs and corruption, brought to the Maidan. For him and under his leadership no one will go to war.
  • oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 6 May 2014 07: 26
    +4
    This is real for the Russian peacekeepers7 They did not save Yugoslavia from a split and NATO entrenched in the Balkans. Mattresses will not allow the removal of the junta and it will evade responsibility for shed blood. They will continue to kill civilians. Not a single agreement on Ukraine signed in Geneva is being implemented and they are screaming that Russia is to blame.
  • vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow 6 May 2014 07: 27
    +5
    Vote under an appeal to the UN Security Council for the entry of Russian peacekeepers into the Southeast. I do not think that the Security Council will immediately respond to our petition. But there is a chance to give another argument to S. Lavrov and V. Churkin in the discussion with the West. Now there are 143 708 votes, but this is not enough. Citizens of Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Estonia, Germany, Canada, Lithuania vote ... Distribute this link if you agree to sign the appeal. https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorchesk
    ie_voyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? tZjwuhb
    1. JoylyRoger
      JoylyRoger 6 May 2014 08: 00
      +1
      already voted. Look how many signatures: "Like Putin, thank you for being good, but leave us alone," there is a similar petition there. yesterday it was 147.
      Curtain...
    2. Vladislav
      Vladislav 6 May 2014 10: 30
      +2
      There is already only this one:
      "Dear President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.: We - ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians - do not need protection"
      https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Uvazhaemyy_Prezident_Rossiyskoy_Federacii_V

      ladimir_Vladimirovich_Putin_My_etnicheskie_russkie_i_russkoyazychnye_Ukrainy_ /

      Sorry, I found ...
    3. Manul
      Manul 6 May 2014 13: 32
      0
      Quote: vladim.gorbunow
      Vote under an appeal to the UN Security Council for the entry of Russian peacekeepers into the Southeast. I do not think that the Security Council will immediately respond to our petition. But there is a chance to give another argument to S. Lavrov and V. Churkin in the discussion with the West. Now there are 143 708 votes, but this is not enough. Citizens of Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Estonia, Germany, Canada, Lithuania vote ... Distribute this link if you agree to sign the appeal. https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorchesk



      ie_voyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? tZjwuhb


      The petition was removed along the way .. I always suspected that this avaaz was pro.pi.ndo.s.sovsky am
      vladim.gorbunow, tell me at least - how many votes were there at the moment when you voted?
  • sv68
    sv68 6 May 2014 07: 35
    +11
    PEOPLE Grasp the UM.KUDA SPECIFICALLY send troops LIST cities and towns where we UNLESS be glad then at least would react to US LOYALNO.DAZHE Slavonic waiting VOLUNTEERS AND NOT CONTRIBUTING RAZNETSU THOUGH OSMYSLITE.PO EXAMPLE ODESSA clear in UKROINE FULL PAFIGIZM, WE HAVE 23 YEARS not remain silent even trying to comprehend what is happening to feed them gratis gas and UKROINA accustomed to HOLYAVE.ONI WANT TO WORK AND YOU WILL DEFEND FREEDOM OF THEM AND THEN WE announce occupiers and demand PROCH.DOBROVOLTSEM GO THERE will be an opportunity I did not hesitate Lohmann UNDERSTAND BUT JUST UKROINA STRUCTURED AND HAD BEEN AT THE FACE OF FASCIS EXCEPT DONETSK. SILENCE OF UKROIN AND THIS SILENCE IS WORSE WERE BACK. Minusovschiki -you have to eat me, fly in
    1. JoylyRoger
      JoylyRoger 6 May 2014 07: 51
      +8
      but he didn’t guess. Catch +.
      Something strange is happening, they are announcing the Republic of Novorossia in Odessa, then the ultras, only 1000-1500 bring the city of a million to its knees. (This is generally a separate and sad topic. What did everyone else do when people were burned alive and filmed on mobile phones I saw a bunch of posts in LiveJournal, with a photo of how the right-wingers dragging forests to the house of the Trade Unions and saving people from the fire, so there are a whole bunch of subscribers) Now in the Donetsk region they will capture one building, then another. What is the result? It is not enough to capture the executive committee (police, military registration and enlistment office), hang up the flag and ask for help from Russia. At the very least, we need to wait for the referendum, and it, to be honest, is unlikely to help. Well, if Krymsky, even if observers still don’t recognize it, then they’ll put it on this one. Therefore, until they understand that Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov, Odessa, ALL should rise, nominate 1-2 leaders, and not create 4 republics, but one, let Little Russia or New Russia, our troops have nothing to do there.
      1. Bogdan
        Bogdan 6 May 2014 11: 42
        +2
        I will add. In my personal opinion, the referendum is also worth considering, it seems to me that at this stage there are about 10-15% of confident supporters of federalization, about the same number of opponents, the rest go to work ...
        In addition to the capture of the center, it is necessary to carry out very powerful propaganda among the population so that the second Odessa does not happen
        1. washi
          washi 6 May 2014 12: 56
          0
          The propaganda was carried out by Kiev.
          The OSCE, with the consent of the President of the Russian Federation, is riding in eastern Ukraine.
          They will serve as observers.
          SE does not want to in the Russian Federation, but after the recognition of the IMF that they provide almost half of the Ukrainian GDP, they will separate.
          Salvage steers even among the Great Ducks.
      2. Prometey
        Prometey 6 May 2014 11: 51
        +1
        Quote: JoylyRoger
        then ultras, only 1000-1500 bring to their knees a millionth city. (This is generally a separate and sad topic. What did everyone else do when people were burned alive?

        As you wrote, they shot on phones. And so, however, sadly.
    2. Balamyt
      Balamyt 6 May 2014 08: 09
      +4
      And what to fly then? In general, everything is correct! Only fewer grammatical errors!
      1. JoylyRoger
        JoylyRoger 6 May 2014 08: 14
        +1
        A person in emotions wrote, you can understand
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 6 May 2014 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: sv68
      EVEN SLOVIANSK IS WAITING FOR VOLUNTEERS AND NOT A MILITARY

      When you are drowning, what difference does it make to you * who will save you a passerby or a professional lifeguard?
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 7 May 2014 02: 38
        +1
        Zhirinovsky seemed to promise to volunteer. It’s necessary, it’s necessary — otherwise it’s only in the colonel’s jacket that the tail of the Duma’s ladies opens and shakes his fist. soldier
    4. Prometey
      Prometey 6 May 2014 11: 49
      +3
      Quote: sv68
      WILL BE OPPORTUNITY I WILL BROKEN THERE DO NOT THOUGHT BUT UNDERSTAND UKRAINE JUST CRUSENED AND GETTED AT THE FACE OF FASCIS EXCEPT DONETSK

      True, friend! Here Odessa is called the city a hero, but it was not once such. As in the Second World War, she caved in under Romanians, and now she caved in under a gang of gopniks. It’s a pity for the dead people, but the inhabitants of Odessa cannot be understood. Is there really a couple of thousand healthy men in the city to defend their right to safety? So they are calmer - if only they would not touch us.
      1. washi
        washi 6 May 2014 12: 58
        +1
        Quote: Prometey
        ut Odessa is called a hero city, but it was not once such. As in the Second World War, she caved in under Romanians, and now she caved in under a gang of gopniks

        You are not right. Much has been written about the blockade of the city.
        She was heroic.
        Now I do not know.
  • Signaller
    Signaller 6 May 2014 08: 24
    +2
    As one of the options for overcoming the crisis and bloodshed, it is quite suitable. With UN sanction and forth with the song. It is necessary to work on this of course. But the promise, I think, is 100% true
    1. JoylyRoger
      JoylyRoger 6 May 2014 08: 30
      +2
      Yeah, you’ll come from them. (One more negotiations in Geneva, one more agreement that Kiev was not going to fulfill. So, just to have time to pull
  • demotivator
    demotivator 6 May 2014 08: 45
    -1
    Let it be so, even the peacekeeping contingent. And then there is no urine to watch what is shown on TV every day. How long will they kill the people with impunity? The West waited, waited, that Russia (Putin) would not stand it, and would get in - intervene - introduce troops to Ukraine (and then - Hurray! With all the consequences), but the West did not wait, did not wait. And we have to look for ways (on the one hand, at the will of the United States, to continue the development of the conflict) (and on the other hand, according to the rules invented by the "democracies" themselves, do not go beyond the socially permissible democratic morality), that is, the West now has to spin like in a frying pan!
    And all this at the expense of the suffering of the people of Ukraine, because while Moscow "does not intervene", while the United States insists on the continuation of the conflict, and while Europe and the UN are forced to pretend to be "peacemakers" - the conflict (read a sluggish civil war) continues, and the main thing has to endure. terpile "- to the People of Ukraine.
    And yet, okay, we did not send our troops there, but why haven’t the gas been shut off to these freaks yet? Completely, even without explanation, although they exist?
    1. washi
      washi 6 May 2014 13: 06
      -1
      Quote: demotivator
      And yet, okay, we did not send our troops there, but why haven’t the gas been shut off to these freaks yet? Completely, even without explanation, although they exist?

      Doesn't our country need money?
      We all told, explained.
      Now the Ukrainian IMF loan will go to us.
  • KAVS
    KAVS 6 May 2014 08: 51
    +6
    Well, yes, we are all literate sitting here and know what to do, and the GDP throws a coin "enter" "do not enter" ... IF DOES NOT ENTER MEANS THERE ARE SPECIFIC REASONS, many things we may not know, but not even understand, let's really trust him in this matter, YET did not let him down !!
    1. Not angry
      Not angry 6 May 2014 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: KAVS
      Well, yes, we are all literate sitting here and know what to do, and the GDP throws a coin "enter" "do not enter" ... IF DOES NOT ENTER MEANS THERE ARE SPECIFIC REASONS, many things we may not know, but not even understand, let's really trust him in this matter, YET did not let him down !!


      All right, the decision is not for us to accept to enter or not to enter. The bulk of the statements are emotions of empathy. the fact is that people are dying there. And naturally, a normal person wants this to stop soon.
  • maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 6 May 2014 09: 07
    +6
    how you do not understand! the West has already paid for this war between Russia and Ukraine and is waiting for results, but Kiev cannot give results yet ... The West needs only this! draw us into a long-term war, thereby weakening the state budget, hitting the economy to finish it off ... and there is no more Russia!
    no troops! the article correctly says - peacekeeping troops should consist not only of the Russian military, but from different countries!
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 6 May 2014 09: 57
      +2
      Quote: maxxdesign
      how you do not understand! the West has already paid for this war between Russia and Ukraine and is waiting for results, but Kiev cannot give results yet ... The West needs only this! draw us into a long-term war, thereby weakening the state budget, hitting the economy to finish it off ... and there is no more Russia! no troops! the article correctly says - peacekeeping troops should consist not only of the Russian military, but from different countries!


      I don’t agree! If you leave things as they are, we’ll get NATO bases right under our nose, and then it will be too late to think about troop deployment.
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 6 May 2014 10: 43
        +1
        Each base has its own "chumadan".
      2. washi
        washi 6 May 2014 13: 08
        0
        Quote: supertiger21
        I don’t agree! If you leave things as they are, we’ll get NATO bases right under our nose, and then it will be too late to think about troop deployment.

        Head need to think.
        GDP is engaged in these. And from you only emotions.
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 6 May 2014 15: 27
          0
          Quote: Vasya
          Head need to think. VVP is engaged in these. And from you only emotions.


          Well, I mean the same thing!
  • maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 6 May 2014 09: 10
    +3
    be patient until June! the West is already demanding a junta report for the billions that go to support the Natsik! all this hype! ... plus these spiders in the bank are already starting to look at each other askance! will soon begin to squabble for the opportunity to hold on to the throne!
  • sluganska
    sluganska 6 May 2014 09: 11
    +2
    I think that you can’t send troops
    need to hold a referendum and that's it
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 6 May 2014 09: 54
      0
      Quote: sluganska
      I think that it’s impossible to bring in troops, it’s necessary to hold a referendum and that’s all


      The junta referendum does not want, and Bandera clenched its fists to strike harder and harder angry .And here is the introduction of troops just right. The Nazis do not want to agree on the good - well then let it be on the bad am !
  • SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 6 May 2014 09: 12
    +6
    Guys what negotiations, how can I agree on something with the spiders in the bank, they are biting each other, will soon start if they have not started wetting each other, then the struggle for the throne is between ghouls and ghouls. Fascism American-Bandera in Ukraine is in full swing, they will not make any concessions, all the more it is not profitable for America, it turns out that they threw out 5 billion of their grandmothers in vain, there are no men, they must be beaten and driven to the very Lvov, and you can: http: // /topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/141/kqxa743.jpg and to Berlin. Our grandfathers are great. For one and into Europe we will enter all at once.
  • Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 6 May 2014 09: 17
    0
    And now the Bandera side has a force superiority, and it is impossible to set Turchinov at the negotiating table: after all, the current "official" Kiev hopes for strength

    it must be put on an electric chair!
    Kiev hopes for strength, it is necessary to answer with force, time goes on, fascists commit atrocities, destroy people, clean up civilians, our brothers, it hurts our souls and we are helpless. Why? Because ... in due time all production and agriculture are now largely dependent on mattress mattresses that are all wearing pink glasses. We will introduce troops, the United States and its women will raise such a high, impose yet more severe sanctions that will hit us and our economy, as it were sadly we didn’t sound addicted ..
    But in fact, to put on all these hectares ... in a high bell tower, you can’t leave your brethren in trouble .. it’s the turn of the mattresses and their henchmen
  • Yellow white
    Yellow white 6 May 2014 09: 22
    0
    From day to day, I think everything will be decided .. or it will be resolved, as God willing, but how Churkin, Putin and Lavrov decide, until May 12 I think.
  • navodchik
    navodchik 6 May 2014 09: 24
    +1
    No Russian troops in Ukraine! Only a special operation to catch and deliver to Moscow clowns from the so-called "government". They must be detained in a third country, as the Americans do. For example, in Belarus. Delivery to Moscow - by agreement.
  • andj61
    andj61 6 May 2014 09: 32
    +1
    Ivashov well done! He said briefly, kept silent about a lot.
    I consider this statement a warning. Those to whom it is directed will understand!
  • Turk
    Turk 6 May 2014 09: 42
    +3
    Quote: navodchik
    No Russian troops in Ukraine! Only a special operation to catch and deliver to Moscow clowns from the so-called "government". They must be detained in a third country, as the Americans do. For example, in Belarus. Delivery to Moscow - by agreement.

    In this form!
  • supertiger21
    supertiger21 6 May 2014 09: 49
    0
    It's time good ! That Bandera after another bloody sin did not go unpunished am !
  • nstarinsky
    nstarinsky 6 May 2014 09: 53
    +8
    Again, some illusory dreams of peacemaking and brotherhood. We must finally understand that any attempt at peacekeeping in Ukraine today is a trap for decades. Having divided the "two" factions of society, which have already announced today that they have seen a soul mate in their grave, the military will begin to perform the senseless function of border guards in the unformed pseudo-state. The question of peace in Ukraine is, first of all, the question of what and where to do with the Nazis, of whom there are a lot. They are enough for their small country. Even Germany was divided after the Nazis. But there was a temporary agreement of the coalition. And here - only Russia against the Western coalition. The introduction of troops into Ukraine, unfortunately, is possible only in the event of catastrophic events of mass destruction. This is well understood by everyone who can influence it. I'm talking primarily about the United States. The Ukrainian citizen has no choice today. Either he himself will decide and he will definitely be helped THEN. Or he will come to terms with the upcoming "elections" at the end of May. And then we will all be very ashamed, because NATO is already almost there. While in the role of puppeteer ...
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 6 May 2014 10: 04
    +2
    Peacekeeping forces will no longer help, and whom to pacify? Fascist junta? It must be destroyed with all its junta, so that on the earth and their spirit is not left.
  • xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 6 May 2014 10: 33
    0
    Peacekeeping troops, maybe this is a way out, well, then you need to enter faster, people are dying!
  • ale-x
    ale-x 6 May 2014 10: 48
    0
    Exactly, the introduction of troops will become an occasion for a larger-scale consolidation of anti-Russian sentiments, the Khokhlo-Führer will receive a real enemy - this is worse than what they have now. Let our troops be faster / higher / stronger than the Ukrainian and everyone who considers themselves to be her, it is necessary to take into account the NATO factor. A long guerrilla war is not exactly what Russia needs now.
  • Polarfox
    Polarfox 6 May 2014 10: 49
    0
    Very true said. We need the auspices of an international organization, but the CSTO or the Shanghai Treaty doesn’t matter. Russia alone cannot go into war, the Yankees are just waiting for this to drag NATO there. And if the peacekeeping mission goes under the auspices of international affairs, even if it consists only of Russians, this is a completely different matter. NATO breaks off.
  • kaa1977
    kaa1977 6 May 2014 11: 04
    0
    Quote: obraztsov
    I propose to the opponents of troop deployment think about such questions:

    will we bite our elbows if we allow Bandera’s to crush supporters of federalization and all of Ukraine will become fascist? Could this be even greater harm to Russia than the deployment of troops? How much will the likelihood of terrorist attacks in Russia by Russian-speaking people of Slavic appearance? How many of our soldiers can die if the USA and Europe arm Ukraine and give them the command to go to war on Russia? How much harder will it be if the Third World War starts?

    I’m not saying that letting the fascists defeat, we will betray our dear ones who will die in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and other cities.

    Our dear brothers, God grant you the strength to survive and defeat with or without the Russian army. I understand that you are fighting not only for yourself, but also for us living in Russia. I thank the volunteers from the Crimea and other regions of Russia, rushing to your aid.

    I also want to say that if in Russia people were brainwashed with the same intensity as in Ukraine, it is not known how many of us would defend Russia if we were in a similar situation.


    alas, but introducing troops, a little later we will also bite our elbows. Having single-handedly introduced troops, we, it is we, and not someone out there, will begin the third world war, which our enemies expect from us. After which they will call us acupants, in connection with which many allies and partners will turn away from us, and we will be able to win this war with losses of tens of millions of citizens of the Russian Federation.
    This is not in the yard to beat your peers.
    Moreover, neither America nor Europe themselves will certainly begin to start a war with Russia, this is obvious.

    We have to wait until the majority of Ukrainian citizens want Russian help so that there are no bloody consequences, or as the article correctly says, create an INTERNATIONAL peacekeeping campaign.

    But there is a possibility, again with losses, that the maydan puppets and their puppeteers stupidly will not achieve anything and everything will resolve, but it is hard to believe, because the enemies spent a lot of money and effort to bring Russia into chaos and tear it to pieces. Here, unfortunately, we are fighting not only for the fraternal people of Ukraine, but also for our country.

    And by this to any cardinal actions it is necessary to approach balanced and judiciously.

    Personally, I am for the deployment of peacekeeping international troops. And I very much support partisan activities against the Kiev authorities, nationalists, and other groups who rudely ruin their people.

    In addition, Ukrainians themselves are fighting for their homeland, and this is not enough.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 6 May 2014 11: 26
      0
      Let me disagree with you stop !

      Quote: kaa1977
      After which they will call us acupants, in connection with which many allies and partners will turn away from us, and we will be able to win this war with losses of tens of millions of citizens of the Russian Federation.


      If they call us invaders, then only for a while, as it was on 08.08.08. Allies in what form they are will not turn their backs on us (for that they are allies), but partners can. And what a pessimistic assessment on your part: "with the loss of tens of millions of Russian citizens." The citizens of the Russian Federation have nothing to do with it, it is planned to enter the armed forces of the Russian Federation and other CSTO countries.

      Quote: kaa1977
      We can only wait until the majority of Ukrainians want Russian help so that there are no bloody consequences


      "The majority of Ukrainians" (I mean the west and the center) consider us enemies. But the South-East is loyal to us, and would not mind our troops to protect them from Bandera.

      Quote: kaa1977
      But there is a possibility, again with losses, that the maydan puppets and their puppeteers stupidly will not achieve anything and everything will resolve, but it is hard to believe, because the enemies spent a lot of money and effort to bring Russia into chaos and tear it to pieces. Here, unfortunately, we are fighting not only for the fraternal people of Ukraine, but also for our country.


      You are too optimistic about the "power" of Bandera, who are not really warriors at all. A couple of powerful blows and most of the Nazis will be demoralized. With equipment they have all the same stone age.

      Quote: kaa1977
      And by this to any cardinal actions it is necessary to approach balanced and judiciously.


      I agree with that! That is why they are now thinking about the introduction of troops.

      Quote: kaa1977
      Personally, I am for the deployment of peacekeeping international troops.


      And I am categorically against this!
      Because:
      1) We will lose hope of helping the Russian-speaking people in Ukraine, leaving them to further oppress the new authorities of Ukraine.
      2) The basis of the international troops will most likely be the US military, but forgive this, you yourself know why ... negative
  • coolvoldik
    coolvoldik 6 May 2014 11: 09
    0
    It is necessary to work in another way: the information war for the minds of the pro-Russian population of Ukraine, the diplomatic struggle for the interests of the pro-Russian population of the Outskirts at various international forums and meetings, the moral and material support of the resistance forces of the Kiev junta, the strengthening of the economic blockade of the Kiev junta, including and in the supply of gas in the absence of an advance payment.

    There is an exact Russian proverb: it’s too late to drink Borzh .....
  • vanka-vstanka
    vanka-vstanka 6 May 2014 11: 16
    +1
    If the army of the Uk were without a rot, then it would stand between the Black Hundreds and the people. Without subtleties, a showdown could become a guarantee of stability, for example, before the election. But over 23 years of autonomy, the cadre of officers has undergone major changes in the perception of objective reality. When events began in the SE through a classmates' site, I found a fellow student at VU. He is already retired, lives near Odessa, and served in Novo Dofinovka. Communication did not bring joy. He blames Russia for everything, all his comrades and colleagues think the same. I will not pass the monologue. It’s disgusting at heart. So, he and his comrades are ready at the call of the authorities to stand up in arms against the Russian Federation if there is aggression or peacekeeping troops. So on the territory of the Criminal Code, in addition to supporting (a smaller part) of the population, our Armed Forces will meet fierce resistance and cruelty will not know the boundaries, as in Odessa. You can’t send troops, but any resistance should be provided. Since it does not work out officially, it is necessary to act as the Americans.
  • SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 6 May 2014 11: 24
    +1

    the whole truth is that you can’t hide it already.
    1. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 6 May 2014 15: 01
      +1
      Do you know what I noticed in this video and why it became disgusting to me: these P.D .. we speak RUSSIAN, not in Ukrainian, but in RUSSIAN !!!
      1. klavyr
        klavyr 7 May 2014 19: 55
        0
        and I noticed. It also became clear to which heroes the glory was sent, this is the guy (about whom someone told the grandfather the fighter in the video), who, in my opinion, had half his head blown off by some sniper. To-bish "zombanuli" Ukrainian children in full. A whole generation has grown up according to "Sorovsk" textbooks! I also heard that a generation is growing up in Japan, confident in the bombing of Hiroshima by the Soviet Union. Well, it's not like that!
      2. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 7 May 2014 21: 05
        0
        Yes, because the nationality - the Ukrainian appeared in the 17th year of the last century, before that all were Russians. For a hundred years, the genetic roots are difficult to defeat; at this stage, you can only move the brains, which is being done successfully.
  • SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 6 May 2014 11: 26
    +5

    Germans say about the Ukrainian media that they are lying.
  • Larusik
    Larusik 6 May 2014 11: 46
    0
    Correctly, balanced and verified. Only so far, except for "Stop misbehaving" Russia does not. But time can be lost. That's what's sad recourse
  • qwert
    qwert 6 May 2014 11: 56
    0
    Just yesterday I sent an article to Topvar, where I was just talking about the deployment of SCO troops. But, it will not be published.
  • Yellow white
    Yellow white 6 May 2014 12: 19
    +2
    1% of the population is struggling with a fascist junta, sadly, the miners are slaughtering, a paradox, is it true that they expect Russia to come and save?
    The gut itself is thin or the brain has been reformed, I don’t understand, most likely both.
    Like seals, by golly.
    To those who fight: God is true with you!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 May 2014 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: Black and White
      A fascist junta fights 1% of the population

      Can you imagine what 99% of the population will do when, at the request of 1%, troops enter? This is a trap for Russia with a war of exhaustion.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 7 May 2014 02: 49
      +3
      Not seals, but lambs being slaughtered. In general - "the island of bad luck." negative
  • typhoon7
    typhoon7 6 May 2014 12: 50
    +1
    Quote: vladimirZ
    1) the aggravation of the threat of the outbreak of world war, with a large number of victims, including civilians,

    Who from Ukraine will be drawn into the world war, how in South Ossetia they steal a month and calm down. GDP said, let them just try to kill a woman and a child ... How many women and children have already been killed there? There, incidentally, several million women, children, the elderly. What let them get out?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 May 2014 17: 23
      +2
      Quote: typhoon7
      Who from Ukraine will be drawn into the world war, how in South Ossetia they steal a month and calm down.

      But do you not take into account Ukraine itself? Do you think a kind of blitzkrieg is held, with salt and flowers meeting bread? The Ukrainian army may not be as efficient, but in the event of a war it will resist with increasing force. It is also clear on whose side the people will be - the majority are against and there will be more of them. The territory of Ukraine is not small, so the war will be long and bloody, to the depletion of both countries. Do we need this?
  • msv
    msv 6 May 2014 13: 14
    +5
    Quote: qwert
    Just yesterday I sent an article to Topvar, where I was just talking about the deployment of SCO troops. But, it will not be published.


    What is the entry of SCO troops? Question: Who, besides Russia, is ready to send troops? Belarus? Kazakhstan? China?! This is not their war, they will wait. China will also be a plus from the weakening of Russia.
    Question two: Peacekeepers are introduced only under a UN mandate. Who will give this mandate when the security council is against Russia, with the exception of China?
    Question three: Will peacekeepers participate in battles? Who, for example, will they differentiate in Odessa, in Kharkov? Peacekeepers never fight.
    I support those who say that now is not the time to send troops. Now the very first question is: help to withstand two areas, help with the referendum. If the junta breaks its teeth about them, the rest will go as a chain reaction. It is necessary to help politically, the military (weapons, specialists and instructors, volunteers), humanitarian (food and medicine)
    Kiev has little strength. According to the intensity of battles and intensity, this is not even Chechnya. I do not want to be like couch and computer generals and advise what needs to be done. A request to all: do not offend the people: not every one of them was preparing for war.
    Instead of chatter, I have a suggestion for those who lack patience, direct energy to a useful cause.
    Southeast needs help. And each of us can very well help with at least two things:
    -information. Breakthrough information blockade. Bringing and disseminating truthful information.
    - financial and material. Many think I can help with money. (Although not buying an original, it’s for medicines, dual-use equipment, such as binoculars, radio stations, etc.)
    The question is how to organize these things without intermediaries with the confidence that help will reach the addressees. Need direct contacts with local.
    Think about it, maybe someone has suggestions.

    This is at least much more useful than chatter.
  • Tiamat2702
    Tiamat2702 6 May 2014 14: 01
    0
    ... and, in general, friends, to those who consider the threat of a world war to be an argument against the entry of troops, remember the words of Kerry about three weeks ago in response to the attacks of McCain and other muDak about the softness of sanctions against Russia: as Kerry said - Raise your hand those who I’m ready to fight with Russia .... These words are the most eloquent in saying that the United States is not going to fight with Russia at the moment (at least in the open), .... moreover, nobody raised a hand. And if the United States does not go to a military conflict, then Europe will not be. And a few extra planes in the Baltic states, and a couple of troughs in the Black Sea ... do you really think that this is a real threat to Russia ?!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 May 2014 16: 48
      0
      Quote: Tiamat2702
      The United States is currently not going to fight Russia (at least in the open)

      Of course, the United States will not fight with Russia, for this there is Ukraine. That is the point - to involve our countries in the war, so that we weaken each other as much as possible, and only then NATO will join. The Chinese helmsman liked to repeat: “When two tigers are fighting, watch, and then finish off the winner. This is approximately what the strategists from Washington are planning. And when hotheads call for the introduction of troops into Ukraine, they do not even think about the consequences. Once upon a time - "We will fight with little blood and on foreign territory", which turned out really, I hope there is no need to remind.
  • Tiamat2702
    Tiamat2702 6 May 2014 14: 03
    0
    .... But, I myself, frankly, at the moment do not know how it will be more correct: to enter or not to enter ...?
  • Leshka
    Leshka 6 May 2014 14: 32
    0
    no one will support us
  • tolancop
    tolancop 6 May 2014 15: 05
    0
    I won’t be able to judge the entry of troops under the CSTO mandate, because I don’t own the topic.

    But I do not agree with the following ...
    "It's another matter that the Bandera forces provoke the opening of fire, and therefore we need to work with the officer corps - primarily along the line of the fighting brotherhood of Afghan soldiers, paratroopers, etc. We must not allow military officers and soldiers who have passed hot spots to fight against their own people. "
    Troops from Afghanistan withdrawn 20 years ago, i.e. officers who fought there already on PENSION. Maybe there is one or the other long-liver, but they will not make the weather. Perhaps the colonels of the generals have the Afghan experience, it is only doubtful that they were more or less loyal to Russia (they simply loyal to the junta) held key posts. The picture is similar for the paratroopers - there were practically no servicemen serving in the SA in the ranks.
    On the "hot spots" it is even sadder: no matter how hard I tried, I could not remember in kaikh points the officers and soldiers of the Russian and Ukrainian armies fought on the same side. Alas, I believe that there is no reason to count on a fighting brotherhood.
  • Ima tsoh
    Ima tsoh 6 May 2014 16: 06
    0
    Our grandfathers lie in the land of New Russia, who saved us from the brown plague and enslavement. But the "descendants of the unfinished Nazis" re-grown by the propaganda of the European Union and fed with their money repeat the past horrors of non-humans. Based on what has been said, Russia should in no case leave these holy native lands to satisfy the West and outrage us and our memory. This will be the most fatal and irrevocable mistake. We brought all the enemies to their knees, but in the end we showed mercy. Now zapadosha degenerate into freaks and this is something they do not understand. If so, we have all the rights: from the point of view of morality, politics, economics, ethnicity, geography and history, to strangle this infection now without mercy. And this must be done cleverly, prudently and coolly. We can do it. History has taught us this.
  • serg45
    serg45 6 May 2014 16: 25
    0
    the West already agrees, including the Ukrainian junta, that our military specialists are in Ukraine, how much listen and read these nonsense can already take under this brand and indeed
    judging by the video, they have already gone there (if it’s not a fake video about the Cossacks) quietly without noise our I think they’ll quickly figure out who is who
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 6 May 2014 16: 38
    +1
    Here is what the Rostov news agency writes. - The news portal - antratsit.net - writes that two flags were hoisted above the building of the city administration - the Russian Federation and the Great Don Army.



    “The building of the Anthracite district administration was seized by armed people in camouflage with weapons. Cossacks from Novoshakhtinsk. They arrived in two tilt trucks. We saw grenade launchers and man-portable air defense systems. Weapons in the building. The police and the SBU are demoralized, their reaction is zero. The capture took place with the consent and connivance of the leadership of the district. The reaction of people is different. Some rejoice, others fear. The latter are much larger, ”writes antratsit.net. The portal novosti.vsetke.com suggests that the city administration building was captured by Russian Cossacks from Novocherkassk.

    Ataman of the Great Don Army Viktor Goncharov denied information about the seizure of power by the Russian Cossacks in Anthracite. According to unofficial information, unregistered Cossacks from the army of ataman Kozitsyn arrived in Ukrainian Anthracite.
    1. pts-m
      pts-m 7 May 2014 16: 20
      +1
      And here is the result, for the unfortunate patriots. It turns out that not everyone joyfully welcomes help.
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 6 May 2014 16: 53
    +1
    Quote: Magadan
    Explain to me, durrrrak, why Yanukovych, the legal president cannot organize his Army, and Russia cannot help him in this?



    Because, Yanukovych is a broken card and no one will follow him, although he is legally elected president, he shit from head to toe, you would follow a man who left you to fend for fate and hit the road to another country. Just don't tell me that he was in mortal danger, he just felt sorry for the money that he earned "not feasible" work, like that.
  • komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 6 May 2014 17: 48
    +1
    Quote: SHEKSPIR

    Germans say about the Ukrainian media that they are lying.

    Watch everyone!
  • coolvoldik
    coolvoldik 6 May 2014 18: 00
    0
    We need the auspices of an international organization, but the CSTO or the Shanghai Treaty doesn’t matter. Russia alone cannot go into war, the Yankees are just waiting for this to drag NATO there. And if the peacekeeping mission goes under the auspices of international affairs, even if it consists only of Russians, this is a completely different matter.

    I propose to call this operation "Shanghai surprise" good