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Why I do not want to fight with the Ukrainians

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Judging by some comments on yesterday’s article, I found myself in the ranks of the traitors to the Russian world and even enemies of compatriots. Degraded, so to speak, with age. In the USSR, it seemed to be normal, but now ... Attempting to clarify the position with the help of answers to questions failed, as I believe, simply because with such discussions people read only what they want. And, accordingly, do not read what is against their point of view. Of course, it flattered me that they cited me as Vladimir Ilyich (I remembered the famous poster in all educational institutions of the USSR: “Learn, learn and study again”), but the situation is too serious not to answer.


Having rummaged at one time in my pedigree (there was such an opportunity), I found out that my blood was purely Russian. Right perfectly Russian. There are Russians, Belarussians, Poles, and Cossacks (and this in itself is an explosive mixture), Prussians, and even Gypsies ... However, this did not prevent me from considering myself a Russian, to become an officer, to live in my beloved, although long-suffering country.

Now, as, probably, everywhere, conversations about the situation in Ukraine have already reached the level of shops at the approaches. The interest is huge. And the recipes for solving the problem are vast. But the main question is: do I need to send troops to Ukraine, do I need to defend the Russians (I hate the word Russian-speaking), do I have to give the junta an armored fist on a blatant face?

My answer is no! By no means should we now go on about the junta and its masters. Why? I will try to give only a few reasons.

For several months, the US and the EU in all international forums have openly said that Russia is fighting in the territory of Ukraine. What Russian special forces oppose Ukrainian security forces. Ukrainian and US-European media are replete with reports of the seizure of Russian saboteurs. However, to present in reality they have nothing. Words words words. But the campaign continues! And, on the contrary, events are not in favor of the junta, or they are completely silenced, or they are treated completely falsely. Read, as they say about the events in Odessa.

Further. They blame me for not supporting the rebels. What kind of rebels? According to reports of the rebels, repeatedly voiced personally by the resistance commander, the number of Donetsk army 2500 people. The remaining civilians. That is, those who seem to support it. And what is the population of the South-East of Ukraine? Right. 15000000 approximately. At least thousands of 400 of them are capable men.

Why I do not want to fight with the UkrainiansOften talk about the Crimean version. And what is the similarity? Only that both territories belonged to Ukraine. Otherwise what? .. The rebels are fighting against the junta, but no more. And most do not want to become Russians. There is some part, but not the majority. It will be possible to speak about the majority or minority only after the referendum. And what question is submitted to a referendum? Is there anything at all about entering? Not.

But the most interesting is the ATO. Sorry, but as an officer I can say - this is not the ATO, this is a circus. The game of cat and mouse, not a serious operation. Armored vehicles, helicopters, 15000 any soldiers can not take a small unimportant town? Checkpoints with concrete blocks and heads of hunters sticking out between them are, of course, a very strong reference point for large-caliber BTR machine guns and BMD-2 automatic cannons.

ATO should be called the word that reflects the essence much better - punitive operation, the purpose of which is to intimidate the population and prevent the referendum from being held. And its active phase will be held on the night from 8 to May 9 ... And until this moment we will read about the same morning news from the front: at night, the Ukrainians attacked several roadblocks, the rebels retreated in an organized manner, lit tires. On both sides there are dead and wounded. Detachments of the “Right Sector” broke into city X (enter the name yourself). But with the onset of morning, the rebels managed to squeeze the Ukrainians out of the city and free their posts. Now there is a recovery ...

Moreover, even now it is impossible to talk about real clashes. They attacked, shot, someone retreated, someone stepped on. Losses on all 4-5 people killed and wounded. The main losses are and will be among unarmed civilians. And the losses will be such as to cause not only fear, but also horror before the Ukrainians. Like, for example, the death of this nurse and her comrades.

So why should we save as much as possible the army in inaction? The main thing is that the number of corpses in Ukraine has already passed into quality. The very quality that, after promulgation in the same Europe or America, will cause a shock to the people, more precisely, to the voters. And the election is on the nose. See the main versions of Odessa events. Three citizens of Russia organized riots, and supporters of federalism for some reason engaged in self-immolation and jumping out of windows. And this is a seriously considered version. And those arrested today will be taken to Kiev and will be kept in prison. Those who were released while lucky. But I'm sure the Pravosek activists already have lists.

But more importantly, Ukraine is a sovereign state. A state populated by Ukrainian citizens, not Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Armenians, Greeks, and many more nationalities. It is citizens who must choose and decide who they are, or what they are. And no matter what the politicians say, ultimately it will be the way the citizens decide. NATO, USA, Russia, Martians or someone else can achieve their goals for a certain period, but in the future it will be so.

There is another nuance. In my opinion, quite important. About which everyone is somehow silent. Junta is very important to hold the election of 25 May. Anyway. And in this situation it is problematic to hold them. DNR will do everything so that they are not. So, more than 30 percent of the population will not elect a president. But there is a great option. The one that passed with the Crimea. It's a pity, of course, the territory, but there is something to butt with Russia. But the chances of pro-Western candidates increased. It is clear that Crimeans would not have voted for Tymoshenko or Poroshenko. And the occupation of the territory of Russia makes the elections legitimate. The fact that the Donbass did not vote, Russia will be to blame.

Well, in the end I will say: 17 is nearing May. This is exactly the time that Putin gave Ukraine to pay off his debts. This will not happen anyway. This means that the cranes will be closed, gas will be supplied only for transit. And that means that Ukraine will start stealing gas from this amount already. Sanctions start to play in the opposite direction. Europeans can count their money and their gas.

Junta just suffocate. The economic situation will be simply disastrous. The owners of the money will not give. Again there will be promises. And it is from here that the tasks of the Russian Federation for the near future follow. They are simple. Breaking the information blockade in Europe and America, leading a reasoned struggle, primarily with the United States at the diplomatic level, and most importantly, through public organizations, through all possible channels to provide humanitarian assistance to the insurgent regions. The people should eat, drink, breathe ... And it is better if they do it with gratitude to the Russians.
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  1. tanit
    tanit 10 May 2014 08: 15
    +113
    Dear Alexander Markov. You're right. You are an officer. I am an officer too. I will not fight with the Ukrainians. I have 3 vacations in XNUMX days, I will go to Russia. And how do I manage my vacation after I register with the commandant’s office and don’t take my ID with me, it’s my personal business (although there is a violation of the law). And I will not fight with the Ukrainians. But to shoot rabid animals - this is written in the hunting ticket, isn’t it?
    1. domokl
      10 May 2014 08: 31
      +37
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      1. oenaraevskija
        oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 08: 59
        +7
        What I don’t know, I didn’t sniff. But, if true, GOD is with them. And stay alive, inflicting losses on these riders
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 10 May 2014 11: 22
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        P> Roes ‡ RЅRѕRμ RґRμR "of the PS SЌS,Rѕ P" Roes RЅRѕRμ RґRμR ‡ "‡ Rѕ.Rђ SЂRμS SЊ RoRґRμS, of the PS RІRІRѕRґRμ SЂRјRμR№SЃRєRoS ° F ... F ‡ ° C SЃS,RμR№.R" RѕR ± SЂRѕRІRѕR "SЊS † С ‹(РѕСЃРѕР ± енно РёР · С З РёСЃР» Р ° РєР ° Р · Р ° РєРѕРІ) »С ‡ РµРЅС † ев.Р” Р ° же серР± СЃРєРёРµ РѕРїРѕР »С З РµРЅС † С‹ есть ...

        Nobody wants to fight with the Ukrainians, we are one people, by the will of the Western puppeteers, divided and divided. But the crushers and their rats - banderlogs need to be driven to Galicia. Ukraine should be free from this D.E.R.L.M.A.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 10 May 2014 15: 31
          0
          Quote: Sandov
          Nobody wants to fight with the Ukrainians,

          absolutely accurate definition!
          And the Ukrainians themselves for the most part do not want to fight with anyone.
          Or does Russia need these problems?
          But, banderlogs are illegal, they do not give, reptiles, do not fight ...
        2. Novosib
          Novosib 10 May 2014 16: 30
          +1
          The other day I looked at the address of the leader of the Jewish community of Kharkov, comrade Eduard Khodos, to the Jews. The first question that arose after watching: are there Ukrainians among the leaders of the junta? It seems that the fight will mainly have to be with the Zion-fascists and fight for the brains of the "great ukrov".
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 11: 43
        +7
        Quote: domokl
        There are even Serbian militias ...

        Neh Srbia!
        1. tanit
          tanit 10 May 2014 15: 07
          +1
          They are there and there are Croats. There will also be Kazakh "Russian".
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 17: 06
            +1
            Quote: tanit
            there are Croats.

            The same banderlog, only a side view. Competitions were held in the Jasenovac concentration camp, who will kill the Serbs more. The absolute record holder is Petar Brzitsa, “King of the Sericide” - on August 29, 1942 he, without interruption, killed 1360 people. A photo of this animal is here http://pavel-shipilin.livejournal.com/179883.html
            1. Saratoga833
              Saratoga833 10 May 2014 17: 31
              0
              And this Petar Brzitsa, this animal, is still alive?
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 11 May 2014 05: 14
                0
                Quote: Saratoga833
                Petar Brzitsa, is this animal alive yet?

                http://pavel-shipilin.livejournal.com/179883.html
                If you believe the message on the above link, then died in 2007 in the USA.
          2. Argyn-suindyk
            Argyn-suindyk 10 May 2014 18: 11
            0
            You are man! Good luck, be careful, extinguish Bendera like my grandfather in 1946!
    2. sscha
      sscha 10 May 2014 08: 32
      +27
      Vadim! I envy you! Good, pure envy! drinks
      And the article is good. Clear, concise analysis and forecast.
      My opinion - well, we can’t introduce an army yet! Time - while it works for us, it is not regrettable in the current situation!
      And in private - let everyone decide for himself! hi
      1. tanit
        tanit 10 May 2014 08: 44
        +33
        My son is growing up. I'd rather try "in private." I don’t want him to have to die in the "order of the order."
        1. domokl
          10 May 2014 08: 50
          +15
          Quote: tanit
          I'd rather try "in private." I don’t want him to have to die in the "order of the order."

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          1. tanit
            tanit 10 May 2014 08: 55
            +21
            I agree. But so far I have made a decision. In his time, he will make his decision.
            1. domokl
              10 May 2014 08: 57
              +11
              Quote: tanit
              РќРѕ РїРѕРєР ° -СЏ РїСЂРёРЅСЏР »СЂРµС € ение.

              РЎР »РѕРІР ° РЅРµ РјР ° Р» СЊС ‡ РёРєР °, РЅРѕ мужР° ... РЈРґР ° С ‡ Рё! good
              1. tanit
                tanit 10 May 2014 09: 02
                +15
                I am 42 years old, not a boy hi . Luck, apparently, does not hurt. Thank you.
            2. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 11: 45
              +2
              Quote: tanit
              I made a decision. In his time, he will make his decision

              Cool! Briefly and to the point.
              1. tanit
                tanit 10 May 2014 14: 50
                +4
                Not cool. I'm scared. soldier
          2. oenaraevskija
            oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 09: 05
            +3
            you said correctly ! Children are our future, just do not take this future away from them. I have 30 and 22 years old, I don’t bother them, I just suggest
        2. sscha
          sscha 10 May 2014 08: 55
          +2
          Good luck! soldier
          May the great martyr George the Victorious not leave you in difficult times !!! hi
          1. tanit
            tanit 10 May 2014 08: 59
            +10
            Not baptized, not Orthodox in particular, and not Christian at all. I treat the great martyrs, to put it mildly, wary. Especially to those who changed the oath, and have never fought for their country. hi
            1. sscha
              sscha 10 May 2014 09: 14
              +11
              Sorry if I offended you!
              And in Orthodoxy - a great martyr because he did not renounce his faith, for which he was executed! And now this is the patron saint of warriors!
              Good luck again!
              Z.Y. I'm not baptized either. Faith is not in the head. Faith is in the heart. hi
              1. tanit
                tanit 10 May 2014 09: 37
                +7
                Not offended. And luck comes in handy. "Don't be in a hurry to bury us, but we still have business at home ..."
            2. hommer
              hommer 10 May 2014 10: 38
              +12
              Aman Bol, bauyrym! Come back unscathed! Good luck to you!
              1. tanit
                tanit 10 May 2014 15: 11
                +2
                drinks I agree, even if I drink alcohol, Allah will not allow it.
      2. oenaraevskija
        oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 09: 02
        +5
        The answer is different. Give the defenders (Dneprotetrovsk, Lkgansk, etc.) normal weapons. Then it's all over. With unarmed - even able to fight
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 10 May 2014 14: 24
          +3
          Weapons in the territories of the southeast abound in the arsenals of military units. We need to take it, and not wait for the uncle to come and bring a gun in his beak. soldier
    3. oenaraevskija
      oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 08: 56
      +1
      12 points !! THESE FASCISTS need to be shot, like RAPID DOGS. Otherwise, Ukraine will suffocate in a civil war
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    4. Predator
      Predator 10 May 2014 09: 26
      +2
      And who wants to fight with the Ukrainians?! I think no one, there are no such people! But with the fascists who seized power during the coup, it’s not only supposed to be included in the matter of honor of any normal citizen of any country!
      1. avg
        avg 10 May 2014 13: 18
        +2
        Why I do not want to fight with the Ukrainians

        Perhaps the opinion of the author of the article would be correct if the actions of the West would obey at least some logic. And they simply stupidly rejected them, like the truth, and the law, and in general everything that prevents Russia from being stopped forever, or at least dropping it to the turn of the 90s. Cynical distortions and double standards are absolutely everywhere: from the statement “They burned themselves”, to the adoption of the EU sanctions and the “third energy package”, while screaming about the inadmissibility of Russia using energy as a blackmail of Europe. The West needs an election farce to give at least some legitimacy to its future actions, up to the occupation of Ukraine by NATO forces, suppression of any dissent and placing them there on an ongoing basis. The true demands of the West against Russia were clearly and impudently expressed at the UN by Samantha Powers: “You lost the war, and you must behave like losers!” And therefore, now he will win whoever quickly does what he needs from a position of strength, warns the “partners” about their readiness for a full-scale war and at the same time their readiness for a search and a peaceful settlement. And then let the diplomats work
    5. rumatam
      rumatam 10 May 2014 10: 08
      -23%
      Here you, the current officers, but you will not fight for Russia, you will not find excuses about the ruined lives and so on, so on. Because it will not work there to reach retirement, in battle, but why then did they become military? Gentlemen officers under the tsar priest fought and did not reason and were noble and respected for the fact that they "did not want their belly ..." Does not apply to all officers, but to those who are waiting for their leave and this is the main thing for him.
      1. tanit
        tanit 10 May 2014 10: 13
        +9
        My friend, and your last name is not Makarevich, by chance? Or did the virgin toad herself visit this site?laughing Minus - from the one who is expecting a vacation.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 18
        +2
        Quote: rumatam
        Gentlemen officers under the tsar priest fought and did not reason and were noble and respected for the fact that they "did not want their belly ..." Does not apply to all officers, but to those who are waiting for their leave and this is the main thing for him.

        Well, firstly, excuse me, but the officer is not a Cossack - he decided and went for zipuns, this is somewhat different
        secondly, why so openly to be rude, you also seem to be broadcasting not from Slavyansk
      3. vinc
        vinc 10 May 2014 11: 30
        +1
        It’s probably hard to live without a brain.
        And you, tanit, no fluff ...
        1. tanit
          tanit 10 May 2014 15: 04
          0
          May 13th.Not earlier.
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      5. sv68
        sv68 10 May 2014 11: 32
        +4
        rumatan-officer is never the former, it’s not his wife, and why are you so sure that they won’t blame for Russia? are you in the army or did you buy a folder from the army? can someone tell you what self-sacrifice is for yourself in the name of the country you love but she is not your homeland. minus I will not put - use your brain to think before you write
        1. tanit
          tanit 10 May 2014 15: 21
          0
          For Kazakhstan? For Russia? Yes FOR NORMAL PEOPLE. For them.
      6. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 11: 51
        +5
        Quote: rumatam
        you will not fight for Russia

        Whose cow ..., and for some doubters it would be better to stick their tongue in a famous place!
        1. tanit
          tanit 10 May 2014 15: 16
          +1
          I decided. I won’t fight. I will fight.
      7. family tree
        family tree 10 May 2014 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: rumatam
        Here you are, current officers, but you won’t find war for Russia

        You know, when Sanya gave out information about a hundred of those who died in Odessa, I was knocked out, my tower was demolished, completely, I was just ready to cut them, but I know how to cut, it’s like embroidering a cross to me. But, or an order, for which I do not hope, or July, a vacation and walk around engineering, mother, for everything!
    6. mihasik
      mihasik 10 May 2014 13: 25
      +3
      Dear Alexander Markov. You're right. You are an officer. I am an officer too. I will not fight with the Ukrainians. I have 3 vacations in XNUMX days, I will go to Russia. And how do I manage my vacation after I register with the commandant’s office and don’t take my ID with me, it’s my personal business (although there is a violation of the law). And I will not fight with the Ukrainians. But to shoot rabid animals - this is written in the hunting ticket, isn’t it?

      Here you and Markov are right.
      1. Troops cannot be brought in. This will only confirm the screeching of the US and the EU about the occupation and aggression of Ukraine by Russia. This is what the US and the EU are trying to achieve with all their might by provocations in the South-East of Ukraine. And we will look cunning, deceitful Russians all over the world, even in the eyes of those who support and sympathize with us. And the USA will be white and fluffy: "We warned you!" No one will understand why the troops were brought in, tk. in the opinion of most countries, Russia annexed Crimea. All! One goal achieved, Russia is the aggressor!
      2. Troops cannot be brought in. Officially. But no one will be able to prohibit volunteers and "PMCs" (and PMCs, unlike volunteers, may have heavy weapons in the form of tanks and aircraft), to support the militia).
      3. And my personal opinion: Troops cannot be entered.
      Today these bastards are throwing Molotov cocktails, and tomorrow they will put on St. George's ribbons so that they can save them if our people enter. After all, they all speak Russian well (in contrast to the semi-literate villagers from Western Ukraine), registration is mostly local or on a visit. How to distinguish one from the other? And if ours enter and there are corpses (and they will), then we will be murderers and bloodsuckers for 90% of Ukrainians. Why? Because only fifteen to twenty thousand have real resistance to the fascists, and this is less than 1 !!!! percent (more precisely 0,05%) of the inhabitants of Ukraine. The numbers are not scary ?! And for this, the militia fighters, in my opinion, are called separatists. Because there are very few of them! And for this reason, what is happening in the West does not look like a struggle of the people against the junta, but looks like a struggle between the authorities and a handful of armed "bandits". The rest, where !? Where are you, residents of Ukraine ??? !!! Ay !!! So who to protect? It is easier then to take these 15-20 thousand to Russia.
      1. tanit
        tanit 10 May 2014 14: 54
        0
        Markov - right. I’m right - I don’t know, I decided - that I’ll check. may 13.
    7. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 10 May 2014 13: 25
      +1
      Quote: tanit
      But to shoot rabid animals - this is written in the hunting ticket, isn’t it?

      Exactly! This is something that everyone can do, for whom honor and conscience are not empty words. And now about the article. Tricky article. Against the fratricidal war! But the brothers of the author, who organized everything that happens in Ukraine, financed this "event", provide "legal" support to all international organizations whose decisions are legally binding, information support by the US and NATO special services, the junta's necessary press coverage and direct military assistance (instructors, special training of militants, special equipment, equipment ...) - the list of "brotherly" help can be continued - and so: all this overseas brothers are doing! (With the feasible help of NATO allies in Europe.) The author and THIS brotherly blood in pedigree! And again the dastardly arithmetic of the number of armed formations! On the side of the strong - to kick the weak (so as not to be in the role of the one who is being kicked), unfortunately - there is such a petty self-defense in human nature ... Many, in order not to be seen by the functionaries of the junta, sit out and wait. But the Ukrainians have been watching the power of the adherents of the "North American policy" there for all 23 years! There are few examples to the author in history, when countries were enslaved in this way ?! And nevertheless: the whole of Russia sees cadres, how unarmed people stand in front of armored vehicles and die! (As yesterday - in Melitopol.) Unarmed people are protesting in thousands in Odessa! And, really, did the junta do everything there to intimidate, to show impunity for the right-wing people ?! And enough nonsense about the huge arsenals of supporters of federalization! (NATO is jealous!) Several grenade launchers would have left in Melitopol forever the armored personnel carriers that crushed people yesterday ... If it were not for the United States, and Russia was so concerned about its influence, emigrants from all over the world would come to the festivals of Russian Folk Art in Lviv! Great advantage" - tanit and "minus" - to the article.
  2. Alexey N
    Alexey N 10 May 2014 08: 18
    +17
    The outskirts are sick with fascism and Russophobia.
    You can’t do without a doctor.
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck 10 May 2014 08: 58
      +2
      Quote: Alexey N
      You can’t do without a doctor.

      I would say not just a doctor, a SURGEON. Here you need to cut out the "tumor".
      At the expense of entering the army, I do not quite agree. We will not introduce, in the eyes of the junta, amers, Geyropa, we are already to blame for everything (as in Krylov’s fable). I think now the moment is being chosen when it will give a point to the popular movement.
      The situation is classic, against a bandit, a policeman must act. Because no exhortations and appeals to conscience will pass.
      1. larand
        larand 10 May 2014 11: 28
        +3
        today no nation feels gratitude to Russia and the Russians. We have become occupiers for all. We have already experienced what "friends" are, there is no worse enemy than a former friend. Therefore, Russia should act only on the basis of its own interests.
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 10 May 2014 12: 03
          +5
          larand RU "today, not a single people feels gratitude to Russia and the Russians. For all we have become occupiers ..."
          --------------------------------------------------
          Let me disagree with you! To speak for the whole PEOPLE, especially "Not one" is IMPOSSIBLE! Everywhere there are normal people and an outspoken U.R.O.D.Y.!
          Remember the saying "There is a black sheep in the family." So in the current "ukraine" there are different people, and as a rule, for some reason, for some reason it is the scoundrels who find themselves INSIDUATE to speak on behalf of the whole PEOPLE
        2. Sergey Vl.
          Sergey Vl. 10 May 2014 13: 40
          +2
          And yesterday, in Sevastopol, people chanted "Thank you" to the President of Russia - is this not gratitude ?! Having returned home Crimea, we became more grateful! And there are plenty of polite people.
    2. oenaraevskija
      oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 09: 06
      +2
      Lyokha - YOU are right. A sick tooth must be uprooted
    3. NovelRZN
      NovelRZN 10 May 2014 10: 31
      +1
      Best of all other words, a poem from the time of the Great Patriotic War.
      Konstantin Simonov "Kill him!" (If your house is dear to you)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxdhOP7XVPg
  3. andr327
    andr327 10 May 2014 08: 19
    +15
    Only Ukrainians themselves must deal with their a la leaders. Alas, there are no curses yet, and the pain of the Ukrainians will not be aimed at restoring order. we have nothing to do to create our organization there. Russian troops have never been invaders.
    Ukrainians begin to act on their own, do not hope that the good-evil Putin comes and does everything for you!
    1. oenaraevskija
      oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 09: 09
      +1
      I think - the introduction of troops - THIS IS EXTREME MEASURE. But when they shoot unarmed ???? This is a mess !! And to protect RUSSIANs is the duty of RUSSIA. How this happens is a question.
  4. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 10 May 2014 08: 20
    +8
    And Ukrainians do not need to fight. We must shoot the monkeys, it hurt a lot of them!
    1. domokl
      10 May 2014 08: 33
      +3
      Рђ С З РµРј СЃРѕР »РґР ° С‚, СѓС ‡ Р ° СЃС‚РІСѓСЋС ‰ РёР№ РІ этой СЃР ° РјРѕР№ РђРўРћ РстР» ? РїСЂРёР · РІР ° Р »Рё, РЅР ° РїСЂР ° РІРёР» Рё, С ... РѕСЂРѕС € Рѕ РїСЂРѕРјС ‹Р» Рё РјРѕР · РіРё..Рђ РєР ° СЂР ° тели РІРєРЂРµ ели ... РћРЅРё РЅРµ РССЃРѕР ± Рѕ РЅР ° передовую РёРґСѓС‚.Р С ... дел Рѕ РєР ° СЂР ° ть РјРёСЂРЅС ‹С ... Рё Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ...
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck 10 May 2014 09: 07
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        And how is the soldier participating in this ATO different from any other? They called, sent, brainwashed well .. And punishers are always punishers.

        Exactly. Therefore, I do not understand the actions of self-defense.
        They took surrounded and disarmed 120 people of the National Guard (in Mariupol), and then released.
        Now, if they held a trial over them and executed the same number as civilians died, it would be a more effective stopping action for the rest.
        1. domokl
          10 May 2014 09: 31
          +6
          Quote: Little Muck
          . Поэтому РјРЅРµ РЅРµ РїРѕРЅСЏС‚РЅС ‹РґРµР№СЃС‚РІРёСЏ СЃР ° РјРѕРѕР ± РѕСЂРѕРЅС‹.

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          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck 10 May 2014 09: 44
            +6
            Quote: domokl
            For me, in their version you just need not to take prisoners ...

            Absolutely agree. The principle must act: a good punisher is a dead punisher. hi
          2. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 11: 54
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            just do not take prisoners ...

            There is loss accounting and it must be brought to zero balance.
    2. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA 10 May 2014 09: 06
      +2
      Not ... the monkeys are good, they did nothing wrong
      but black men for their black misconduct - not to shoot
      plant aspen
    3. oenaraevskija
      oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 09: 10
      0
      Well done, rightly said
  5. Tatarus
    Tatarus 10 May 2014 08: 23
    +6
    The Nazis do not have a nationality. Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. Author You are wrong. Who is the Ukrainian? The one who yells yaku on gilyaka. These to death. Those who hataskrayniki also punish. Piarasam in the Russian world does not belong.
    1. Ivan Tarasov
      Ivan Tarasov 10 May 2014 08: 39
      -3
      With each day of delay, the situation is only heating up, the country is increasingly cracking, there is a total zombie of the population from TV. If we don’t introduce an army and do not overthrow the junta, we will have big problems ahead.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 23
        +1
        Quote: Ivan Tarasov
        If we don’t introduce an army and overthrow the junta now, we will have big problems ahead

        and you that have the full amount of information on the events ?!
        can you give a 100% guarantee of the absence or presence of military specialists from the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine, do you have intelligence on the plans of the West in case troops are brought into Ukraine?
        Do you have an analysis and forecast of a possible collision (limited or full-scale) with the Western coalition ?!
        if yes, then act Vladimir Vladimirovich, if not then Vasya Pupikin should shout so loudly
      2. anfil
        anfil 10 May 2014 12: 01
        0
        If we don’t introduce an army and do not overthrow the junta, we will have big problems ahead.

        At us, who has this ?!
        Correctly, the article says:

        According to insurgents, repeatedly voiced personally by the resistance commander, the strength of the Donetsk army is 2500 people. The rest are civilians. That is, those who seem to support. And what is the population of Southeast Ukraine? Right. 15000000 approximately. At least thousands of 400 of them are combat-ready men.

        Well, where are these 400 thousand waiting for the Russian Vanya to come ?!
  6. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 10 May 2014 08: 26
    +3
    God always walked by
    Only with him did we defend the truth
    Their villages, cities.
    But evil cannot stand the rest
    Goodness, purity of bright eyes
    And furiously writhing and howling
    Again evil sprang upon us.
    And the great-grandchildren of glorious heroes
    Fascist dressed uniform
    So that again with tears and blood
    Cover our tired world.
    America is happy with this
    Waited for more than one long year,
    So that their children go against the fathers,
    And so divide our people.
    Agents sent her
    Blew people to war
    So that after easily for five cents
    Buy a country on bridgeheads.
  7. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 10 May 2014 08: 31
    +1
    Let them remain Ukrainians.
    And there is no need to attach the territory.
    But the army to enter and overthrow the junta-it is necessary.
    The new government in Ukraine must itself cope with internal problems - to cleanse the country from bandits, to carry out constitutional reform and federalization. Lead the country in the vehicle.
    And the fact that Western SMRAD will write about us there - they do not care, let them write.
  8. Sunflower
    Sunflower 10 May 2014 08: 31
    +16
    I am a purely civilian person, a woman, but even I understand that troops cannot be introduced. Who wants to help the fraternal people, please, but in private. Of course we help and we will help as much as we can, but on the assumption that the South-East wants this. And then we’ll come to defend them, and they’ll shoot us in the back and slogans of invaders, aggressors. No ... let them figure out who they want and what they want. This is my purely feminine opinion. You men know better, especially since many of you military. hi
    1. smile
      smile 10 May 2014 13: 59
      +2
      Sunflower
      Sound thoughts are sound thoughts - and it does not matter who sets them out, man or woman. Therefore, it seems to me that you are much better versed in the situation than many men who wave a saber and advocate the immediate entry of troops. And thank you for that.
  9. Bayonet
    Bayonet 10 May 2014 08: 34
    +2
    A normal article, the author has once again put everything on the shelves, "chewed" for the dull.
    1. uyrii67
      uyrii67 10 May 2014 09: 55
      0
      I agree the article is normal. Correct, I understand and agree with everything, but burned in ODESSA, murdered in MARIUPOL, SLAVIC and ...
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 11: 56
        +2
        Quote: uyrii67
        burned in Odessa, killed in MARIUPOL, SLAVIC and ...

        What do you think, on whose conscience?
  10. msd
    msd 10 May 2014 08: 35
    +2
    Ukrainians will begin to act on their own, and very actively, as soon as the gas supply is cut off.
    And so yes, myahataskrai - it clearly prevails and is clearly visible.
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  11. igorra
    igorra 10 May 2014 08: 38
    +4
    You are an officer, do not want, and who will be, militias? And do not replace the concept: Ukrainians and Bandera. A penny to you as an officer with your notions of duty and honor. This is the Ukrainians burned Odessa, is the Ukrainians shoot their fellow citizens? Sign up for the Makarevich support group. It is not a desire to write with a capital letter, but the rules of the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE oblige.
    1. domokl
      10 May 2014 08: 48
      +2
      Quote: igorra
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      1. tanit
        tanit 10 May 2014 08: 52
        +5
        Fascism is in itself both a nationality and a diagnosis.
      2. igorra
        igorra 10 May 2014 09: 19
        +1
        Once again, for those who are not understanding, there are Ukrainians and there are Bandera-Galicians and one should not confuse and record all Ukrainians as fascists. And the officer’s duty is to fulfill the order, as Soviet officers, at 45 and later, executed, apparently destroying Russians, but Natsiks inside people.
        1. domokl
          10 May 2014 09: 37
          +4
          Quote: igorra
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          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck 10 May 2014 09: 53
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            A thinking commander, besides fulfilling an order, always thinks about maintaining personnel, otherwise the price is worthless.

            Thanks for the thought. hi
            Judging by the comments that are on the forum, there are statements of ordinary careerists for whom the staff is a step up, and the human consists of his own well-being.
        2. tanit
          tanit 10 May 2014 09: 44
          +1
          Excuse me for the pathos. The duty of an officer is to be an officer. How exactly is everyone’s personal choice. (red-white). (no order, there are Bandera)
        3. uyrii67
          uyrii67 10 May 2014 10: 05
          +2
          I disagree. There are Ukrainians, Russians, Greeks, etc. and the Nazis-Bandera not all Galicians are Bandera, and many punishers came to Odessa from Kharkov. By the way, "centurion Mikola" Nikolay Volkov. Nazi-Bandera-Vlasov rabble.
      3. Apollo
        Apollo 10 May 2014 09: 46
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        And who? Americans or Chinese? Maybe Russian?


        Actually, beast arsonists have no nationality.
      4. Little Muck
        Little Muck 10 May 2014 09: 48
        0
        Quote: domokl
        . Alas, not only has a nationality, but also specific surnames, names and other attributes of a normal person.

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        1. domokl
          10 May 2014 11: 17
          +3
          Quote: Little Muck
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          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck 10 May 2014 11: 30
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            .From all sources I found only one interview, where a woman said, there is an info war and I do not believe Putin to say that ... Just one on a bunch of others ...

            It is for all these actions of the junta that I would like to apply physical pressure, at least pointwise and targeted, without regard to what "civilized people" will say later.
            And the people will have to be treated for a long time. Show and tell everything, and very intelligibly.
            1. domokl
              10 May 2014 13: 17
              +1
              Quote: Little Muck
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              1. Little Muck
                Little Muck 10 May 2014 14: 14
                0
                Quote: domokl
                .And against that grandfather-veteran who passed the Patriotic War, we will also apply? I wrote specifically about the veterans of the Second World War. Excuse me, if so the brains were washed even by the fearless old people, what about the younger ones?

                So after all, I’m talking about treatment for them.
          2. Cristall
            Cristall 11 May 2014 16: 32
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Allegedly, Putin said that Russia won the Patriotic War WITHOUT UKRAINE


            2 minutes 35 seconds. Patriotically, but it must be taken into account that this is the Infovoy’s loss ... in the eyes of Ukrainians and veterans - Putin once and again discounted the entire contribution of the Ukrainian SSR, Ukrainians in general, their losses, their exploits (2 by magnitude, 2 by the number of heroes of the USSR)
            So the veterans are partly right here. And the Ukrainian media happily seized on this "loss" ...
            It’s good when the President is trying for his nation..but the contribution of the USSR is the contribution of all 15 republics with one idea.
            It would be better if Putin said that the General ... and so .. well, yes patriotic ... for some, it is humiliating and depreciating for others ..
            1. family tree
              family tree 11 May 2014 16: 46
              +1
              Yesterday, Kadyrov again stated that a third of the defenders of the Brest Citadel were Chechens.
              Cristall, well, at least don't throw it in here. It's just that there are a bunch of normal men here who do not suffer from memory gaps, and remember the northern convoys, and the British pilots in the Arctic, and the Normandy-Niemen, and dragging the Air Marshal Ivan Nikitych. And the foremen, with Ukrainian surnames, in the Russian army, in general, is already an anecdote, but where, damn it, without them request
  12. tokin1959
    tokin1959 10 May 2014 08: 42
    +3
    let the Ukrainians understand


    if it were not for the support of the West - Ukrainians would have figured it out long ago - even during the Maidan in winter.
    the west has brought power to the junta and is now commanding the junta.
    West in the international arena justifies all the actions of the junta and pushes it into a fratricidal war.
    and at this time we say - yes, they’ll sort it out themselves, our hut from the edge - this is the meaning of this article.
    1. domokl
      10 May 2014 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: tokin1959
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      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 10 May 2014 09: 02
        0
        in May 1941, if there was then freedom of speech and the Internet - some "writers" would also write articles - "why don't I want to fight the Germans?"
        and Germans do not deal with themselves.
        fascism itself is crushing, and we will help them ideologically.
        1. domokl
          10 May 2014 09: 28
          +2
          Quote: tokin1959
          in May 1941, if there was then freedom of speech and the Internet - some "writers" would also write articles - "why don't I want to fight the Germans?"

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          1. tokin1959
            tokin1959 10 May 2014 09: 36
            +1
            Hmm ... I'll start with the basics ..


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            1. domokl
              10 May 2014 09: 40
              +1
              Quote: tokin1959
              Р ° Р · С ‹РјС‹ РєР ° Рє Р ± С ‹Р · РЅР ° ем.

              Quote: tokin1959
              tokin1959 (1) RU Сегодня, 09: 02 ⠆ '

              in May 1941, if there was then freedom of speech and the Internet - some "writers" would also write articles - "why don't I want to fight the Germans?"

              laughing fellow
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 10 May 2014 09: 39
        0
        Quote: domokl
        both the West and Russia solve their problems in Ukraine.
        ---- again Ukraine "staircase" ...........
        1. domokl
          10 May 2014 09: 44
          +1
          Quote: stroporez
          ---- again Ukraine "staircase" .....

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          1. Sergey Vl.
            Sergey Vl. 10 May 2014 14: 04
            0
            A strange thing: the people of the so-called. Ukraine with Russia, and chose as rulers "those who bite the hand of the giver." Paradox?!
  13. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 10 May 2014 08: 48
    0
    I think Ukrainians should "wake up" themselves And many are afraid for their families, since it is not clear how to end up in Ukraine! Tomorrow is a referendum, if after it the DPR becomes an independent and SAFE republic, Ukraine will rise!
    Another question, what should we ALL do?
  14. stroporez
    stroporez 10 May 2014 09: 00
    0
    but how to fight ??? in Russia, Schaub does not specify, "to the biss" of people who are inextricably linked with Ukraine ................. take the Orenburg region, Yamal, Tyumen oblast, Tobolsk, the Far East ... ... that you never know ....... well, no way, even if you really want to, a war with Ukraine is not possible ............. that's red-black scum --- at not Ukraine ...........
    1. domokl
      10 May 2014 09: 48
      0
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  16. demotivator
    demotivator 10 May 2014 09: 02
    +6
    Yes, it is time for the Ukrainians to wake up and deal with the traitors of the interests of the people themselves. But they had the experience of a guerrilla war with fascism, you just need to remember it well. Like this Dotsenko Fedor Sazonovich - he is again in demand.
  17. pincet
    pincet 10 May 2014 09: 10
    +1
    Alexander Markov - a good article! drinks
  18. noskov
    noskov 10 May 2014 09: 23
    +23
    Quote: serega.fedotov
    I think Ukrainians should "wake up" themselves And many are afraid for their families, since it is not clear how to end up in Ukraine! Tomorrow is a referendum, if after it the DPR becomes an independent and SAFE republic, Ukraine will rise!
    Another question, what should we ALL do?

    Greetings!
    That's right .. That's just the point is that to wake up .. In the meantime, just slowly watching. Did you listen to Mikhalkov in "Besogon"? Did he read Grishkovets's letter? even to Grishkovets whom you cannot catch in loyalty to the GDP and to what Russia is doing - it GOT !!!! After Odessa, even to some of the impenetrable "philanthropists" - IT GOT! And to the majority of Ukrainians - NO! Well, what do you want to do?
    You understand one strange thing, or rather a list of situations that confuse:
    1. In 89 -91 years, when mass demonstrations were rolling around Russia, clashes (and with blood by the way) - in Ukraine SILENCE !!!!! Somewhere in Lviv miserable Benedorites went in formation and EVERYTHING! They are waiting! What are they waiting for? Then the news comes - the USSR does not. RUSSIANS dismissed it themselves. So what? And then in Ukraine there was an indescribable rapture. WE WON!! Urrryayayaya! They threw Russia off the neck! How to heal!
    What did you win? Whom did you win? Who even fought with and when ??? It turns out that the invaders came and said "We don't want to keep you any more, go nah ...........!" Your mother freedom fighters. Damn well, you are already free. so live with your mind and hands. No damn. You all nod to the East. All those neighbors are not nice. And the grass is greener and the pigs are thicker, and all because you invisibly draws out vitality by moving in space and time.
    2. Well, then Russia is on fire along the borders and inside the country: Tajikistan, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Ingushetia, Chechnya. In Ukraine, it’s like in a crypt ... It’s not like that in POST-EUROPE. We'd rather take pivandria and chips, sit in front of the TV and watch live (thanks to our then television) how the Czechs and other Wahhabis are hammering the Russians with whole columns and frontier posts. What? And what if the neighbor skips and then ..... just the Rostov region itself. Hrya ... and Kuban !! Great! It turns out that I gave 6 years of my life to restrain a horde of mercenaries at the borders of the country so that they, God forbid, would not look in Ukraine? Where have you been? Why didn't you come to me when it was difficult for me? Why did the Czechs whom I didn’t put pressure on in the mountains to come to you in Crimea to rest and heal their wounds? Why didn't your "state" and the fucking SBU cover up UNA UNSO and stopped sending scumbags to my homeland? Where were your many special forces? Are you silent neighbor? You sat on your butt straight and you still sit.
    Now you continue to sit and wait that as always they will decide FOR YOU. It’s not even your GLOBAL MALFUNCKS from the self-proclaimed that will decide. And Americans, Europeans, Russians DECIDE for you. And you will only be a population.
    BE AFRAID? Remember the neighbor - fear fetters WILL! Your fear is now the master of your country. And if you are so independent, proud (not that I’m in my Raska as you usually have) - take it and at least once in your life do it yourself. Learn to be proud of at least Chechens and Jews. And stop waiting for something from Russia. Do not expect neither good nor bad! Prove that you are PEOPLE.
    PS Yesterday at the family council, we decided that I was going ...... NOBODY EXCEPT US!
    1. anfil
      anfil 10 May 2014 13: 21
      +1
      2. Well then, Russia blazes along the borders and inside the country: Tajikistan, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Ingushetia, Chechnya. In Ukraine, as in a crypt ...


      No, they didn’t keep quiet, these already blamed on Russia:
      05: 12 01.02.2009
      Ukraine expressed support for the position of Georgia, pointing out its concern about the escalation of tension in the zone of the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict, and stated the need to respect the territorial integrity of Georgia. On Sunday August 10, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry announced that it reserves the right not to let the Black Sea Fleet of Russia return to its territory, which arrived on the Georgian coast due to the aggravation of the situation in South Ossetia, if the Black Sea Fleet divisions take part in the armed conflict.

      Russia fabricated information about the participation of Ukrainians in the war in South Ossetia - SBU
      13: 49 In the world
      The Ukrainian Security Service on Wednesday accused law enforcement agencies and special services of Russia of fabricating data on the participation of Ukrainians in the military conflict in the Caucasus in August this year.
      And also, as in the Caucasus!
    2. Sergey Vl.
      Sergey Vl. 10 May 2014 14: 12
      0
      Quote: noskov
      noskov

      Thank you, not even for the comment, but for the correct life position!
  19. Leader
    Leader 10 May 2014 09: 30
    +1
    The author is right: Ukraine is an independent state and introducing our troops there is open aggression.
    I do not see any unity of views among Ukrainians; Well, let them understand.
    There are 46 million of them; they are afraid to get involved with Bandera - well, they will have a sip later. It is known how Europe's attempts "not to irritate Hitler" ended.
    And the worse it will be for the inhabitants of Ukraine, the faster and more fully it will reach them that "a man is the smith of his own happiness" and that they are to blame for all their troubles. Starting with the fact that they raised and warmed new fascists.
    For me, Ukraine will now forever remain a hostile state. I don't need such "brothers".
    1. tanit
      tanit 10 May 2014 10: 21
      +4
      The state is hostile. People are not a state. There are normal people, there are. In a hostile state.
  20. Baikal
    Baikal 10 May 2014 09: 30
    +1
    The author is very right! And the author is very wrong ... Go figure it out, the situation is very complicated.
    It remains to rely on the wisdom and experience of our leaders.
    I would like to believe that they will nevertheless pull such a rabbit out of a hat that it will not seem to everyone.
    But without war.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: Baikal
      nevertheless, they will pull such a rabbit out of the hat that it will not seem to everyone.

      What to guess about rabbits, because the outgoing "end" of the gas pipe in the EEPF, therefore = trump cards in the hands of the Russian government!
  21. kreid2
    kreid2 10 May 2014 09: 34
    +3
    you need to argue on the numbers, and they are as follows:
    With the most patriotic upsurge, about 10% of the population can be mobilized - a proven historical fact. the rest is only forced draft and mobilization. with a population of Donetsk and Lugansk regions 6,5 million people. The figure of 400000 is quite achievable. But this is with sufficient funds for the maintenance of such an armada. it’s realistically constantly possible to keep without damage to the economy about 1% of the population — this is about 60 people.
    now how much is needed to suppress such an uprising. To suppress the enemy, as a rule, it is enough to destroy up to 10% of its composition (6000 fighters), taking into account the wounded 4/1, this will lead to the loss of half of the combat-ready fighters and the demoralization of the rest.
    using heavy equipment, the Ukrainian army can reduce its losses to a ratio of 1/10, but according to the experience of Chechnya, partisans do not accept direct combat and therefore Ukrainians have nothing to rely on. The first battles showed that in the Ukrainian version, a semi-regular PS would suffer even higher losses.
    Total:
    With the massive use of heavy equipment for victory in the east, it is necessary to lose 6000 / 10 = 600 soldiers and about 3000 more wounded
    When using semi-regular troops and mercenaries at least 1200 lose and 6000 wounded.

    it is understandable how such losses will affect the moral level of Ukrainians, so I agree with the author that it’s not necessary to rush things, but that weapons should be helped and, through diplomacy, possible to exclude heavy weapons.
    1. noskov
      noskov 10 May 2014 10: 13
      +7
      Greetings!
      I’ll try to explain to you why in a war (and especially in a civil war) the seemingly verified layouts of strategic calculations are everywhere violated.
      You try to approach this topic only on the basis of dry mathematical and statistical analysis. Remember Chechnya. How did the assumptions and the real result differ?
      The whole complexity (and by the way POSITIVE FOR THE EAST) of this situation, that events are now going on the level of such weak tactical planning. There is no strategic thinking. I am not talking about fronts as in 41 years. But still ... The operation is the scale of 2-3 areas. This is not a plywood box at the training ground with the plywood opponent in the openings at full height. No planning experience, no real combat use experience. Well, everything from here follows.
      Therefore, unfortunately, the number of irreparable losses in which the ShKI in the Rada will take PSs - one god knows! Will they take it at all. If you want to rely on NATO, this is the situation here. On the 3rd year of the NVVKU, we, as future commanders of the special forces of the USSR Armed Forces, were told this:
      - According to the rules of losses (they had the one they now call it I don’t know) of the ground forces and special forces of the US Armed Forces, in the presence of irreplaceable losses in the personnel of the unit solving the problem in a limited theater of operations at a level of 4% or more - the command changes the conditions of use personnel of the unit. In other words, the fighters are taken away and the carpet bombardment begins.
      The Germans have even less percentage.
      For yourself, decide for yourself what numbers will be enough to understand the disaster and what actions will be taken later.
      And here's another, According to the experience of Abkhazia, UNSOshniki were generally afraid of being killed. I rarely saw them in the forefront. They went only when the numerical superiority was 10 to 1, the support of artillery (or better air). in general, the ideal option was always for them that they came later after the Georgian army and wandered around the village with their pants down and shouted "Glory to Ukraine!" and randomly shot everything that moves. As I understand it, these are "warriors" now they have commissars there. Draw your own conclusions.
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    3. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 10 May 2014 10: 14
      0
      Quote: kreid2
      you need to argue on the numbers, and they are as follows:

      fool
      1. kreid2
        kreid2 10 May 2014 17: 26
        0
        smile
        It is clear that the numbers on the knee, but the alignment is just that. Suppressing the east is possible, but difficult. The Ukrainian army only if in a snap without allowing themselves to organize, putting more than 1000 soldiers apart from the wounded. But then for a long time to come the underground will have to fight.
        As for the numbers themselves. The Chechens, with 1.5 million people, were constantly combat-ready, could support about 15 thousand soldiers in the best of times. Those. rely on more than 60000 permanent fighters of the southeast self-deception. if the war drags on, then successively the southeast will be able to expose up to 600 people (plus Toda and other regions will begin to help) - this will crush any army even when NATO troops are brought in.
        But people need to be spared. Our goal is not to kill the Maidan people. After 10 years, they may well be under our flags.
  22. ran nearby
    ran nearby 10 May 2014 09: 55
    +10
    Gentlemen, I will still insert my five cents, because I myself am from Odessa and I can see the nuances a little better here than you - there. The author just chose the wrong title for the article. That's right - "why not send troops now" And indeed, it is too early. We ourselves must understand that it is impossible to live with these scum in one country. And they themselves must organize and take up arms. And now, when the process has begun, yes, we will need help, both material and instructors and advisers. Well, no one will refuse VOLUNTEERS. After all, not all residents of the South-East want to live in Russia. As in Russia, not everyone wants to live in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Siberia, the Far East or Bryansk. But the main thing is that everyone wants to LIVE. And the scum from the junta just take life, as we did on May 2, and how they shot unarmed people yesterday in Mariupol. There, after all, the people with their bare hands stopped the BMD. One was squeezed out. But, at WHAT cost!
    And I see the future of the territory on which modern urkain is located approximately as it was already:
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 10 May 2014 10: 16
      0
      Quote: next to run
      Gentlemen, I’ll insert my five cents

      good
  23. talnax7
    talnax7 10 May 2014 10: 03
    +1
    part of the performance ended, Blitzkrieg didn’t succeed at the junta, they didn’t drag us into the war. They have few options, they can either attack us following the example of Budennovsk (they are mad and have nothing to rub) and so unleash a war or come up with some kind of muck There are no options (peaceful reasonable) time kills them
    Article is good
  24. gandalf
    gandalf 10 May 2014 10: 04
    +1
    There are no Ukrainians in power in Kiev right now. There are fascists and traitors.
    Fight with them should, first of all, Ukrainians themselves. We will help.

    But many have pink glasses in front of their eyes, a veil of propaganda ... When it subsides, it will not seem enough ...
  25. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 10 May 2014 10: 05
    +3
    The article is a fat minus! Could put a hundred cons - would put a hundred! The only thing I agree with is that regular troops of the Russian Federation do not need to be brought into Ukraine. Not yet needed. The rest of the author’s reasoning is at the level of access grandmothers. Unless, the article is intended for the level of understanding of grandmothers ...
    I won’t go into too much detail I will not yet, but the article "analysis" is comparable to the study of the Martian landscape through binoculars. Some of the total number of inhabitants minus so many of the belligerents and the remainder of those who are against joining the Russian Federation. The rest, who are at war, seem to be fighting only against the junta, as they wrote in the bulletins ... Why such confidence and such information, the author ??? Inference based on stupid statistical calculations? So we have always had lies, blatant lies and statistics. Do you know the situation in the SE from the inside in the slightest degree? I can demonstratively and reasonably break all your numbers. And the conclusions too. If you want, I'll break it. A little later, after the junta bends. For now, study the basics of state and law (school course). This is to understand the voting, referendums, issues of state building, so as not to write nonsense. Also, study 23 years of life in "independent" Ukraine from the inside, including its Armed Forces and security forces. Then try to reason. And better: "not knowing the ford - do not go into the water." The wisdom of the people ... hi
  26. Eragon
    Eragon 10 May 2014 10: 13
    -4
    I completely agree with the author. From myself I would like to answer the question - what do the southeastern Ukrainians want, let’s say so? But they want one thing: order in the country. And while they absolutely do not care who will manage them - Kiev, Moscow, Washington or the Martians. For 20 years, people are tired of the ongoing mess. BUT THEY WANT TO REMAIN CITIZENS OF A SEPARATE COUNTRY. Believe me, I myself come from Ukraine, all my relatives live there in the Dnipropetrovsk, Odessa, Kirovograd regions, every year I go there, I communicate with people. Everyone is very tired. And they, unfortunately, will even accept Nazism with concentration camps, if it ultimately provides these very order and peace.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 10 May 2014 10: 28
      0
      Quote: Eragon
      And they, unfortunately, will even accept Nazism with concentration camps, if it ultimately provides these very order and peace.

      Where did you come from, "native Ukrainian"? Go and tell it in Slavyansk! Just take a little more greenery with you and stuff a pillow in your pants ... So that there is something to smear with a stuffed mug and it didn't hurt so much from suckers. fool The rest is for you ..., unfortunately, the rules of the site do not allow you to express!
      1. Eragon
        Eragon 10 May 2014 10: 41
        +3
        Slavyansk ... In the ranks of self-defense of the DPR about 2000 fighters. The population of the order is 4500000. Total: 0,08%. In Donetsk, about 10000 assault rifles were captured. Replenishment of self-defense fighters did not happen. Where are the people? Read above.
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 10 May 2014 10: 57
          0
          Quote: Eragon
          The population is about 4500000.

          Do you also count grannies, disabled people, women, schoolchildren and babies? Himself, at least from a military service or from "hoses"?
          Quote: Eragon
          About 10000 assault rifles were seized in Donetsk. Replenishment of self-defense fighters did not happen.

          And where did it come from? Do you know anything about combat readiness? And why such confidence that the replenishment did not happen? Do you personally report?
          The rest is read above.
          1. Eragon
            Eragon 10 May 2014 11: 16
            0
            Eee, my friend, there is an opinion that you are a troll. Therefore, I answer the last time. Mob resources are calculated precisely from the total population, taking into account both grandmothers and infants. Yes, military personnel from 1986 to 2011. I took information from the reports of the leadership of the DPR for the media. About 2 machines a week ago, about numbers - at the end of the last.

            Z.Y. Before you troll the Old on the topic, leaf through.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 32
              +1
              Quote: Eragon
              Uh, my friend, there is an opinion that you are a troll

              Quote: Eragon
              Therefore, I answer the last time. Mob resources are calculated precisely from the total population, taking into account both grandmothers and infants.

              Quote: Eragon
              Z.Y. Before you troll the Old on the topic, leaf through.


              MOBILIZATION RESOURCES

              human and material resources that the state can use for the mobilization deployment of the armed forces, other troops and the sustainable provision of the needs of the front and rear as a result of the transfer of the country from peaceful to martial law.


              I'm sorry, but I would advise you to read something on the topic before.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 34
              +1
              Quote: Eragon
              Yes, military personnel from 1986 to 2011

              Do not tell me the title and last position?
              1. Eragon
                Eragon 10 May 2014 11: 38
                +1
                OBS Zampotech Major
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 50
                  +2
                  funny, if it weren’t so sad, your calculations can be attributed to a high school graduate, but not as a major, sorry but you don’t know basic concepts and definitions, you don’t know how to use reference information
            3. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 10 May 2014 11: 41
              +2
              [quote = Eragon] Uh, my friend, there is an opinion that you are a troll. [/ Quote]
              Stick your opinion in! We must also see which of us is a troll. Cons I did not pick up ...
              [quote = Eragon] Yes, a military man from 1986 to 2011. [/ quote]
              Similarly, 1982-2007, including 2 wars.
              [quote = Eragon] Took information from the messages of the leadership of the DPR for the media. [/ quote]
              And did not try to filter Old? Not all that is, you need to know the media.
              [quote = Eragon] Z. Before trolling info on a subject look through. [/ Quote]
              Flip through yourself. I get it first hand. Because again I had to take the machine. Although I did not think already that I would have to.
              [quote = Eragon] Therefore, I answer the last time. / quote]
              Then you don’t have to bother, our strategic tactician ... laughing
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 10 May 2014 11: 19
      +3
      [
      Quote: Eragon
      BUT THEY WANT TO REMAIN CITIZENS OF A SEPARATE COUNTRY.

      You see, the situation in each region is different. Secondly, you can determine who thinks only by organizing an appropriate referendum. And so, your statement is purely unfounded, your relatives can speak for a united Ukraine, neighbors living through the wall may be for federalization, and part of the population generally for joining Russia. For this, there are referenda that are held in important periods to reveal the will of the people. But Kiev’s illegal power impedes such a referendum, not only declaring it illegal, but also launched an armed force against the Southeast, which directly contradicts the constitution.
      1. Eragon
        Eragon 10 May 2014 11: 29
        +2
        I didn’t mean the opinion of my family. I am quite a sociable person and talked with different people: in trains, queues, cafes, on the beach, in the park, etc. When with 20-25 people during vacation, and when under a hundred. And for 20 years. This, of course, is not a referendum, but I made up my opinion. And expressed it.
      2. Siberian
        Siberian 10 May 2014 13: 57
        0
        Yes, here we are in Russia and we are afraid that the referendum will not end in anything (most people are inert, they think that everything will somehow do it by itself - not to reproach you, we go through it at every election, for the presidential election 2 the tour had to be arranged, although the majority of smart, competent and educated people believed that, of course, Putin, but they didn’t tear the ass from the couch - the human factor is called). This is now the most horrifying thing (gleaned from our media, politicians from Ukraine participate lively in political and political programs) - if so, then what? To quit everyone? Aggressive troops? Climb and defend Moscow interests?
        With Crimea, EVERYTHING was clear and operative (both the cover of the Russian post. Troops, and the assembled "Berkut"), but the southeast did not merge, for some reason, did not join. Kharkiv undertook to be the organizer and self-destructed within XNUMX hours. How to calculate?
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      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: sv68
        I myself am from Slavyansk, daughter of a general of the SBU

        ?????
        still to understand what "itself" wrote
        1. Normal
          Normal 10 May 2014 13: 27
          +1
          Quote: sv68
          ... YOU A CLOWN ... FASCISM NEEDS ONLY AS YOU ...

          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          still to understand what "itself" wrote


          What "itself" wrote is not important, but the fact that "itself" is "it" is already clear.
  27. AleBors
    AleBors 10 May 2014 10: 21
    +10
    Good article. He grasps the essence. I was there, I saw everything. I will not dissuade anyone, go, brothers, see for yourself and ... successful hunting. !! But ... the population of the above regions is absolutely indifferent to the situation. Until disaster arrives at their house, no one will raise their ass. In the southeast, banks and jewelry were looted. Everyone is like hamsters lurking in holes and waiting for someone to help them ... They are all too early who, they themselves do not want to do anything. And after they are helped, they will become gunny that they are being oppressed again, etc. The people have completely degraded, there are very few patriots. I’ll add, they don’t believe us (i.e. Russia). They trust geyropam more ...
    In general, I lost my illusions, I don’t want to shed blood for SE. Who has not lost maximalism-go-see-see. Crossing the border is now easy.
    IMHO: the people in Ukraine must themselves make an atoning sacrifice in order to reason and start a new life. And the junta should be overthrown by the inhabitants of Ukraine themselves. We should not get into this.
    ZY: this is a purely personal opinion, and it may differ from the opinion of others.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 10 May 2014 10: 41
      +1
      Quote: AleBors
      In the southeast, banks and jewelry were looted.

      Lies!
      Quote: AleBors
      I’ll add, they don’t believe us (i.e. Russia). They trust geyropam more ...

      Impudent lie !!
      Quote: AleBors
      In general, I lost my illusions, I don’t want to shed blood for SE.

      Provocation?

      Where have you been?
      Who did you communicate with?
      What did you see?
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 10 May 2014 19: 26
        0
        Violet ... We went to Poltava ... I saw a lot ... I told the facts where it is NECESSARY ...
    2. sv68
      sv68 10 May 2014 11: 50
      0
      allegors, or bring the FACTS of your statements or you are simply a provocateur and a liar. you are not driven by force to war and are not responsible for all ukroinu. by the way, write somewhere it’s so easy to cross the border, so cleanly laugh over your blatant lie
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 10 May 2014 19: 24
        0
        Tell me, I don't mind. And what kind of facts can I give you? You can call me whoever you want, I will not be upset ... I am not going to answer for the whole "ukroinu", but about the border ... Go to Belgorod or Kursk regions, talk to the people ...
        I expressed my opinion, and that’s it. Call, minus, cry what you want to do, it does not bother me. I am already old and pachyderm.
        ZY: And I’m tired of communicating with sofa warriors ...
  28. dik-fort
    dik-fort 10 May 2014 10: 42
    +2
    The article put a minus. The theses that the number of militias relative to the population of the region is small - from the evil one and is now propaganda. First, to maintain the "army" you need finances, funds, people must at least be fed, and the militias do not have rich sponsors from Qatar, CA, USA, EU, they have a problem to buy gasoline. Secondly, weapons, this is also a problem, there is nothing to arm the volunteers with. Thirdly, most people are against the junta in Kiev, but they are not ready to fight for various reasons, some have small children, they need to feed their families, etc., the maximum they can do is come and vote. And fourthly, history is usually made by an active minority, in Crimea, too, the majority was not eager to achieve independence with arms in hand, an active minority imposed their will on the Maidan in Kiev, the resource of the right sector can be several tens of thousands, no more than 40 a million inhabitants, while besides the ideological a lot of careerists go there, they are not ready to make money and die either.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 10 May 2014 12: 15
      +4
      Quote: dik-fort
      but they are not ready to fight for various reasons, someone has small children, they need to feed their family, etc.

      Eternal excuse. I will feed my children and you stand at the roadblocks, maybe do not miss the right-wingers
  29. zasxdcfvv
    zasxdcfvv 10 May 2014 10: 47
    0
    the enemy succeeded. You can beat yourself in the chest as much as you want, be a super patriot, but the whole forum calls its brothers people of a different nationality. There are no Ukrainians, as there are no Urals and Siberians.
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 10 May 2014 10: 51
      -9
      In my understanding, a Ukrainian is someone who lives in Ukraine, a Russian - in Russia. What does it have to do with nationality?
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck 10 May 2014 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: Eragon
        In my understanding, a Ukrainian is someone who lives in Ukraine, a Russian - in Russia. What does it have to do with nationality?

        I have not read anything dumber. Is the Russian living in Kazakhstan a Kazakh? fool
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 10 May 2014 11: 04
          -4
          The explanation is dumb for the smart. We are discussing a specific article. And in order not to get into the jungle of nationalism IN THIS DISCUSSION, Ukrainians living in Ukraine. Regardless of whether he is Russian, Jewish, Ukrainian or Kazakh.
          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck 10 May 2014 11: 24
            0
            Quote: Eragon
            We are discussing a specific article.

            So discuss the article, not "national geography". Or is education weak?
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 27
            +4
            Quote: Eragon
            Ukrainians are living in Ukraine. Regardless of whether he is Russian, Jewish, Ukrainian or Kazakh.

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              10 May 2014 16: 58
              0
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          3. sv68
            sv68 10 May 2014 11: 56
            +1
            Durago is the answer of a clever man for a stupid one, but what can one call a person by the speech and spirit of a Russian speaker in Russian but living in ukroin and not wanting to be called ukroinets?
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Eragon
        In my understanding, a Ukrainian is someone who lives in Ukraine, a Russian - in Russia. What does it have to do with nationality?

        sorry how old are you?
      3. 51064
        51064 10 May 2014 14: 56
        0
        Eragon, after all, citizenship and nationality are two different things.
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  30. X Y Z
    X Y Z 10 May 2014 10: 51
    +1
    You can agree with the author in many ways, and the conclusions are quite correct. Only one moment in my opinion he interprets not quite correctly. Ukraine was sovereign state. After the unconstitutional coup, this is already territory, this is not a subject, but an object that is in external control. In order to change the situation, hasty presidential elections are needed, which, among other things, may not help if Russia and other countries do not recognize them. And they treat the territory like a small child, deciding independently what is best for it.
  31. bistrov.
    bistrov. 10 May 2014 11: 01
    +3
    Firstly, the author did not correctly estimate the population of Southeast Ukraine at 15 million, or did not include all areas. According to 2012 estimates, the population of this region is more than 22 million people, or half of the total population of Ukraine. And the population of such an area as Donetsk is comparable with the population of the whole of Galicia, especially now, when the majority of the population of the western region, due to lack of work, went to work in Europe. My opinion is that Russian troops should be brought into Ukraine, but this should have been done right after the proclamation of the rise to power of the Kiev junta, i.e. February 21-22, the more legitimate President Yanukovych was in the hands of Russia and could authorize the entry of Russian troops to restore legitimate constitutional order. The moment was lost, the illegal power was strengthened, apparently Putin at that time considered the accession of Crimea and the Navy base more important in the Sevastopol. Now, the introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine is possible only as a peacekeeping contingent in order to take protection of its population from the military terror of the Kiev junta. And for this you need to have a reason enough, the facts of the use of troops and paramilitary forces subordinate to the illegal government against the civilian population. This is also noted by the author in his article. Here, Russia is not an aggressor, it cannot conquer the territory of another state through the use of troops It’s another matter if the population of the whole or part of the territory expresses a desire to become part of Russia. Like, for example, Crimea. And so Russia can only support the uprising of the South-East, morally, materially and diplomatically, which it does. That is, it creates prerequisites for the introduction of a peacekeeping contingent. Nobody can forbid it.
  32. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 10 May 2014 11: 08
    +1
    Do I need to send troops to Ukraine, do I need to protect Russians (I hate the Russian-speaking word), do I need to give the junta an armored fist on the brazen face?
    My answer is no! By no means should we now go on about the junta and its masters. Why? I will try to give only a few reasons.


    the question is complex, and the answer is even more complicated.
    a definitive answer, sorry, not very literate.
    Sorry, we don’t even know 2% of the real data, in addition, the situation changes very quickly and sausages it so that my mother does not grieve.
    what now seems literally right can turn out to be harmful or dangerous in an hour.
    therefore categorically say NO il YES is not very correct
  33. Deff
    Deff 10 May 2014 11: 16
    0
    25 in May is also the election to the European Parliament, with a replacement for a third of the current odious figures.
    Support in the European Parliament can change the orientation of the debate.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 10 May 2014 14: 07
      +1
      The European Parliament is unlikely to help. If people are going to 200 or maybe 500 people are seriously trying to decide and even vote for it: how and where to live, it’s megalomania. Some Samantha Sigismundovna living in Kuala Lumpur and graduated. there law courses and joined the society for the liberation of the Greenland blacks, raises a hand for (like everyone else). But 2 million Crimeans, for example, do not want the way she wants for them. Brain stupor - how is it? After all, most of this party voted!
      Whatever his sowing, hoping for change is not worth it.
  34. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 10 May 2014 11: 26
    +3
    I also don’t understand the situation when 5 people from the militia are fighting, and behind them there are 20 people of healthy men and they’ll take it all to their phones so that they can put it on the Internet, such as how cool I am! If the war, then everyone should defend, but there it is not visible!
    1. AleBors
      AleBors 10 May 2014 19: 28
      +1
      one hundred%! So it is ... And then in the kitchen they complain about life, that no one comes to save them ...
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 10 May 2014 19: 51
        0
        Quote: AleBors
        one hundred%! And there is...

        Somehow you are about that, but not so.
        And the situation is really, very ambiguous.
        By the way, a little history _
        Everyone remembers the Khasavyurt agreement? And how did it end then?
        So this precedent can be considered very multifaceted in the light of the analogies of relations between the two states.
  35. Giant thought
    Giant thought 10 May 2014 11: 27
    +1
    Ukrainians must solve their problems themselves, and we must help them in this, and not allow NATO members to enter Ukraine.
  36. Michael_59
    Michael_59 10 May 2014 12: 06
    +2
    Quote: author
    for example the death of this nurse


    Quote: author
    this


    Her name was Julia Izotova.
  37. cyberhanter
    cyberhanter 10 May 2014 12: 18
    +1
    "is it necessary to protect Russians (I hate the word Russian-speaking)"
    that is, apparently Russian-speaking Jews, Hungarians, Udmurts and other nationalities, by the will of fate, who turned out to be citizens of Ukraine do not need to be protected? no need to divide Ukraine into Russians and Ukrainians. Those whom you call Ukrainians are "Galicians". Ukrainians are ours, Slavs, Orthodox. culturally close. Galicians - no.
    National strife - the last thing to breed
    1. domokl
      10 May 2014 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: cyberhanter
      that is, apparently Russian-speaking Jews, Hungarians, Udmurts and other nationalities, fatefully turned out to be citizens

      Yesterday I participated in laying wreaths on the mass grave of soldiers who died from wounds in our hospitals. So there a Russian soldier, an Armenian by nationality, who went through the entire war as a sergeant. Well said, Here lie my brothers, brothers in blood, brothers in fate. ..There are Russian soldiers. And on the grave of the surname, probably, of the majority of the peoples of the USSR
  38. da Vinci
    da Vinci 10 May 2014 12: 19
    0
    If the demand for "joining Russia" had not been thrown in, this mess would have ended a month ago, and the junta had been writing memoirs in Germany for a long time.
  39. erofich
    erofich 10 May 2014 12: 58
    +1
    I agree with the author. Until everyone wants to become normal, people. Russia has nothing to do there.
    So the population itself wants this. What is the head for?
  40. mamont5
    mamont5 10 May 2014 13: 02
    +1
    "Why I don't want to fight the Ukrainians"

    Yes, I think that the majority does not want a war, but especially with Ukraine. But ... anything can be.

    "The junta will simply suffocate. The economic situation will become simply catastrophic. The owners will not give money. There will be promises again."

    Yes, this is all true. But what to do with dying people? And though there are not many of them yet, but these are people. We will wait until the dead will be not units and tens, but hundreds and thousands.
  41. EvilLion
    EvilLion 10 May 2014 13: 08
    +2
    It is time to stop calling the Little Russians Ukrainians and return them their historical name. The Ukrainians are fascists and rabid dogs. Anyone familiar with the history of Ukrainization is well aware that hatred of Russia is embedded in the brains of a Ukrainian, like firmware in a ROM chip.
  42. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 10 May 2014 13: 08
    +1
    Other articles, with much less text, carry more meaning in themselves. The author laid out his jerk in his head as a text. The author did not understand many things. Hence the pointless reasoning. Now the question of fighting the Ukrainians or not is not worth it. The question is different. People living on the territory of the so-called "Ukraine", whose ancestors considered themselves Russian. Now we have to decide. Whether they consider themselves Russian or not. That's what a referendum is for. Either they continue to believe in the nonsense called "Ukraine" or they will remember who their ancestors were, and then reunification with the Russian world is possible. drinks
  43. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 10 May 2014 13: 13
    +1
    Quote: cyberhanter
    Those whom you call Ukrainians are "Galicians".

    Galicians are a virus. Which of the Russians made Ukrainians. You need a good "antibiotic" to defeat the "virus". yes
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 10 May 2014 15: 17
      0
      Yes, this is actually a difficult question. How can a Ukrainian, even if he is not a supporter of modern life, abandon himself? After all, all his life he considered himself a Ukrainian. In America, where the American is not a nation, but belonging to a country, it’s easier, that's why they judge by themselves. Well, not everyone will take it and think that now I am not Ukrainian, but Russian. We also consider Ukrainians all whose surnames end with O, it seems to me that we have the overwhelming majority of them, and they have a junta with Russian surnames, I also hardly accept this.
      There must also be a certain media work - a Russian Ukrainian or a Ukrainian Russian - you have to get it. Therefore, the questions for the referendum were honed and in the end there was only 1 left - about belonging specifically to the state of Ukraine, which had industriously worked on the impossibility of this belonging. Maybe we’ll say thank you to her for that.
      After all, this is also perceived by someone as a betrayal of their country.
  44. riding
    riding 10 May 2014 13: 14
    0
    The author is right. The whole circus (you cannot call it otherwise, it is clear that the goal is not to defeat the supporters of federalization) in the South-East is organized with the aim of provoking Russia. The entry of Russian troops will not only contribute to a new wave of hysteria in the Western community, not only put under arms thousands of people who sincerely believe that the Russian Federation is preventing Ukraine from rushing into a bright future, but will also automatically write off all the punctures and crimes of the current Kiev pseudo-authorities.
  45. talnax7
    talnax7 10 May 2014 13: 34
    0
    A sacred figure for 23 years, often flashes through the site and in conversations about how we lost Ukraine. But I want to remind you that all these years our mass media, the Internet and banal family ties were represented there. Maybe the thing is that whoever wants to sees it and how he wants Time will pass, emotions will leave good articles on this topic For now, the main problem is that it’s not for us not to distinguish Bandera from a Ukrainian, and this is a fucking truth of life Who do you guys want to fight with? Do you want to bomb Kiev, Lviv , Zhytomyr? With all who shock and wow so? Ukrainians do not know what to do. And you? And this is the truth of life. Killing an enemy in Donetsk, you will become an enemy in Zhitomir, unfortunately for
  46. CB activist
    CB activist 10 May 2014 13: 59
    +5
    "But more importantly, Ukraine is a sovereign state."
    A. Markov.

    An ordinary citizen of the Russian Federation needs to get into any room, and on the door it is written: "CLOSED", what will this citizen do? He will definitely pull the doorknob and check if it is actually closed. Why? Because there is no longer naivety in people. Indeed, all of a sudden the door has already been opened, they simply forgot (or were too lazy) to remove the signboard, different miracles happen in life. But, surprisingly, very different people (from one electrician of the 5th grade, with whom I had a chance to discuss this topic, to the officer - the author of this article), sacredly believe in the fairy tale about "sovereign states", they say, it is written, don't you dare touch it.

    Why so naive, and this despite the fact that the USSR was also a sovereign state, but it was calmly and skillfully dismantled into pieces right in front of these people. This alone was supposed to save all of them of pink glasses, but, in reality, not everyone got rid of it, strange.

    It is extremely naive to talk about the "sovereignty of Ukraine". I will not analyze in detail the structure of this plush sovereignty, I will only say that Ukraine is inhabited by three cultural and religious groups: Russians, Ukrainians (Orthodox), Western Ukrainians (Catholics, Uniates). Groups №1 and №3 will no longer be able to live together in one state, here you have all the "sovereignty", Mr. Author.

    Personally, I would not be surprised if I see A. Markov in a group of liberals with a placard "Shame on Russia for the annexation of Crimea." After all, following his logic, a couple of months ago Crimea was a part of another "sovereign state", and for the Author this is extremely important. Explain to me somebody why the Crimea was annexed without paying attention to the cries of the liberals about sovereignty, and now let us stop in a quivering feeling before the inviolability of what is left.

    Why, in fact, should I believe the Author that Donbass is less Russian than Crimea, and Odessa is a city belonging to another sovereign state? Donbass is no less Russian than Crimea, and Odessa is a Russian city, that's all. In conclusion, I will say that the territory captured by the fascist Bandera junta cannot possess sovereignty, by definition. The army of the Russian Federation should enter where they are waiting with hope, as the army is the liberator.
  47. Zmii
    Zmii 10 May 2014 14: 05
    +2
    What to do the junta knows their owner and it's time to show the world how it looks without makeup!
    1. 51064
      51064 10 May 2014 15: 02
      0
      The flag of fascist Germany was forgotten to be placed next to the American one, and Bandera's black and red would not hurt.
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  48. Counter
    Counter 10 May 2014 14: 25
    +2
    The author argues that a direct question has now arisen "whether to send Russian troops to Ukraine or not," and this question has been brought up "for a popular vote." The author votes "no", and most likely it will always vote this way, in any case! A pacifist in a word, and also cowardly by nature. Dear author, you are a lousy strategist, you see the situation badly, the mood of people in the South-East of Ukraine is about the same. You are a typical victim of that very Western propaganda, which in some other article you will hotly stigmatize. In my opinion, it is not necessary to write and publish articles if you "float" in the subject. And references to some homegrown digits of the 1st grade arithmetic level are also completely inappropriate here. So, for the record: to distribute weapons to people means to lead Ukraine to a full-scale civil war, and this is the worst that can be! So far, the soldiers by their rebuff to the Western Nazis only show the world that the South-East does not accept this Kiev pseudo-power. The West stubbornly does not want to see this! But they will force him to see it! And for this it is not necessary to introduce the Russian army to Ukraine in principle! If the situation begins to take a critical turn, then such a question may arise, but so far the situation is developing according to the internal Ukrainian scenario, and at the same time, one should not underestimate the inhabitants of South-Eastern Ukraine. All that the residents of the South-East need to know now is that Russia is ONLY on their side. But this does not mean the introduction of troops. So sleep well, comrade. Alexander Markov, today your participation in the process is not required. With the best!
  49. alicante11
    alicante11 10 May 2014 14: 29
    +2
    I'll try to make my five cents.
    What arguments do the opponents of troop deployment have?
    1. "The West said that they would enter and they entered."
    So what did the West say. The West has a lot to say. For example, that Gaddafi handed out Viagra to his soldiers, that Assad poisoned "civilians" with gases. That in Crimea only 30% of the population voted and only 60% "for Russia", that our "specialists" "work" in Slavyansk and other cities of Ukraine and that they are caught by dozens every day. What is true and what is false? All lies, except that our "specialists" are working. But for the layman in the West, ALL of the above is true. And what do we see? That Gaddafi, Assad and Putin are the "bad guys", and the Russians support the "bad guys". Just like during WWII, Hitler was a bad guy, and the Germans supported him. And so they could be killed at the front and you tulu and turned into a fiery sea of ​​their cities with civilians. They can now say the same about us. ALREADY they can. So what's the difference, well, they will be able to say that GDP and the Russians have added aggression against independent Ukraine to the atrocities in Georgia. Will it make us cold or hot? Or, in the event of a war, NATO killers will shake hands to kill our children? No, so what difference does it make to us WHAT the West says?
    2. There are few people in the militia in Ukraine. Gentlemen comrades. Do you remember how many people went to defend the USSR in 91? And this despite the fact that 70% of 200 million people (I'm rude, I know that you need to count children, etc., but not the point) the Union could count on 140 million defenders. How many of them came out? None, by and large. Because there is no leader. No organizer. There are no weapons and supplies. There is none of this in Ukraine either. Do you remember the last time you just fought. Just jump into a fight first? And if there are many enemies? What if they have bats and legs against your fists? Where the leaders were found, or where our specialists organized detachments, they fight there. And where there are no organizers - see the example of Odessa. It would be better if they did not protrude at all. At least they would have remained alive. Have you, sitting on the couch, ever tried to organize the supply of military formations? At least in the KSH format! If there are several hundred thousand self-defense fighters there, they will simply die of hunger faster than they will receive weapons / ammunition, which, by the way, is also missing. Or they will devour all fellow citizens with requisitions and they themselves will drive them away and meet the dill with bread and salt. Fairy tales about self-organized in Libya and Syria "rebels" in jeeps with ZSU-shki look very beautiful. And you, gentlemen, comrades, think, how many wheels will be needed for these jeeps on the front roads, when the cylinders and tires will fly 5 times a day over the fragments? In a week, nothing will remain from such a "jeep" army without any influence from the enemy. And the fuel supply? Do not forget about food, medicine, ammunition. Yes, the simplest uniform! It is the Libyan "rebels" who can pose for cameras in slippers with machine guns.
    So I can say that Ukraine gave everything it could put forward both in relation to the asset and in terms of supply security. And no one is going to throw Molotov cocktails at our tanks. Those who will do these are already in the ranks of the Pravosek. And the rest, even the couch fighters, will sit at the screens and scribble "mos.kalyaku on gilyaku".
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 10 May 2014 14: 50
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      3. ATO - not ATO. Let's not play chamomile. They kill there. Moreover, for 1 "militia" or "pravosek" they kill five to ten civilians. So what's the difference what you call a murder that needs to be stopped?

      The main thing is that the number of corpses in Ukraine has already passed into quality. The very quality that, after being published in the same Europe or America, will cause shock among the people, more precisely, among the voters. And the elections are just around the corner.


      Are you, Mr. Markov, sure that the Western "electorate" "knows" about these corpses? Or are they at least sure that the opinion of their "electorate" is important to the chief executives of the West? Whom the chief executives say, they will elect, even if they vote completely for others.

      4. Ukraine is a sovereign state.
      And who, forgive me, once worried? Maybe Teutonic knights on the ice of Lake Peipsi? Or Novgorod ushkuiniks burning Sigtuna? Or the commanders of the Horde Tumens? Or those who "nailed the shield to the gates of the sovereign Constantinople"? Or was Napoleon stopped by the borders of sovereign states, or the British with the Americans by Indian and Indian territories? Not to mention the recent history, when the NATO air armada did not stumble over the sovereign border of Yugoslavia or Libya, but the Naglo-Sason troops over the land borders with Iraq. Yes, and we, frankly, didn’t say VVP - "do not touch the independent Crimea." After all, many of us with tears in our eyes, and the overwhelming majority listened with approval to his speech on the annexation of Crimea, which was carried out contrary to the principles of sovereignty. So why the hell are we bleating about "sovereignty" now? Sovereignty must be able to defend. Then and only then will he be respected.
      1. domokl
        10 May 2014 17: 18
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        It seems to me to reproach Russia that Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians in Ukraine (I’m talking about citizens of the country) somewhat incorrectly. You can talk about any other country in the same way.
        When the people decide what they want, when, as in the Crimea, the people say their word, then you need to act ... And now the introduction of troops will give rise to a normal reaction, the people will fight with the invaders.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 10 May 2014 18: 12
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          It seems to me to reproach Russia that Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians in Ukraine (I’m talking about citizens of the country) somewhat incorrectly. You can talk about any other country in the same way.


          They kill Russians. The same as we are. Only separated by force border.

          When the people decide what they want, when, as in the Crimea, the people say their word, then you need to act ... And now the introduction of troops will give rise to a normal reaction, the people will fight with the invaders.


          Well, don't. VVP has already said that our soldiers stood behind the Crimean militias. VVP is still, in the course, an honest man and he apparently hates to lie. The people of Crimea were for Russia, but nothing depended on them. All the "polite little green men" decided.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 10 May 2014 18: 31
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      So why don't our troops cross the border? Although the words "peacekeeping forces" are already painted on the armored vehicles, a lot of exercises have been carried out. And everyone seems to be ready.
      The fact is that we have the honor to observe the most exciting geopolitical chess game since the 19th century. World War II and the Cold War were boring. Because one of the leading grandmasters played too openly and straightforwardly. In his actions, he proceeded from philanthropic motives, and therefore his actions were very easily calculated by opponents. We are now witnessing the renaissance of the Golden Age of diplomacy, the impudent party, in which France, Germany and Russia were successively destroyed. In this battle, again, like a century ago, the imperialist powers came together who did not give a damn about the lives of individuals and the fate of entire nations. For whom the only measure of success is the capitalization of the oligarchs behind them. Why are geopolitical victories necessary? Crimea was needed from the point of view of geopolitics, as its own naval base, or so as not to become a NATO naval base. But no one promised to feed the South-East of Ukraine. Therefore, the Russians in Ukraine will have to scoop out on their own. Of course, they are being helped, our special forces are fighting there and thanks a lot to the guys for saving people. And, of course, troops will be deployed. But ... when? Now there is a battle for the south of Ukraine. Kherson region and Odessa. We need them for communication with the Crimea and Transnistria - our outposts. That is why NATO does not want to let us go there. Today we will introduce troops to the Luhansk region and the Donetsk region, tomorrow the rest of Ukraine will be occupied by NATO troops. Let it be foes like Poles and Romanians, but they don’t have to overcome even the symbolic resistance of the remnants of the dill army and the frost-bitten right-wingers. Therefore, they will occupy those lands that we want to occupy - earlier. But to knock out even these woeful warriors, behind whom the US nuclear power stands, is still contraindicated to us. And so the Russians in Ukraine must take these lands themselves. And our troops will not budge until there is a real threat to lose even those territories in eastern Ukraine that are already occupied by us. That may be either due to the success of the junta troops (which is unlikely), or due to the concentration of combat-ready NATO forces, which, I recall, are already traveling across the Atlantic. So in any case, the wait is not long.
  50. Counter
    Counter 10 May 2014 14: 38
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    Quote: AleBors
    I was there, I saw everything.

    Did you just relax there, and at the same time did a poll? Where exactly were you? While your "was there"sounds kind of vague.