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RўSЂRμS,SЊSЏ RіR ° F · ° RѕRІR SЏ RІRѕR№RЅR °: P • RЎ Ryo RЎRORђ RґRѕR "R¶RЅS <RѕRїR" P ° S,RoS,SЊ SЃRІRѕRo "SѓSЃRїRμS ... Ryo" RЅR RЈRєSЂR ° ° RoRЅRμSo, Russia and Ukraine are balancing on the verge of another (third in a row) gas war. Against the background of "hot" hostilities and repressions in the South-East, the gas conflict has faded into the background, however, it is possible that it will have no less and long-lasting effect on the Ukrainian political landscape. Let's start with a retrospective, especially since the gas wars have long been turned into a part of Ukrainian political mythology, the main character of which is an ominous totalitarian neighbor, stifling a young democracy and not allowing it to achieve tremendous success and true European prosperity.


Reality looks a little different. History Russian-Ukrainian gas relations - this is the story that the Ukrainian side always gets what it wants, but for some reason, it does not like the final result. So, in 2005, Ukraine was bathed in cheap gas. The then contract, which was supposed to be valid before 2013, provided for a fixed price of $ 50 per thousand cubic meters, plus payment in kind for transit, which gave Ukraine 19,7 billion cubic meters at virtually lower prices.

The second supplier who successfully used the Russian gas transportation system was Turkmenistan, for lack of other buyers, except for Russia and Ukraine, selling gas for $ 40- $ 42. In other words, the statement that Ukraine received gas at $ 50, in fact, suffers a stretch - on average, it was significantly cheaper. At the same time, Gazprom turned a blind eye to re-export. In fact, these were subsidies that provided the Ukrainian economy with very fast growth, a positive trade balance and other positive trends in the late Kuchma era. In general, it was more than generous payment for the non-aligned status of Ukraine and relative loyalty - nothing else was required of Ukraine.

However, the first Maidan happened in 2005. The Yushchenko administration made an unequivocally pro-Western choice, which should have been paid from the pocket of the Muscovites robbing Ukraine. The winning tandem requested the average European price for transit and terminated the contract with Gazprom. In response, the monopoly offered the average European price for gas, which at that time was $ 160- $ 170 per thousand cubic meters. The Ukrainian side tried to return to the previous agreements - but it was already too late. Negotiations dragged on - and meanwhile, the average European price rose to $ 220- $ 230. Nobody was going to subsidize pro-Western Kiev to the utmost degree and endlessly, and in January 2006 of the Russian Federation turned off the gas in the simplest way.

The result was $ 98 - still more than a preferential price (for the Baltic countries it was $ 126), 9 billion cubic meters, which could be bought for transit payment in cash equivalent at about 1,5 times the reduced price for it, and debt in $ 1,2 billion. This is a turning point in the development of the rather rapidly growing Ukrainian economy - from this point on, the trade balance becomes negative. However, these are still subsidies. The problem is that under the terms of the agreement, the Ukrainian side imposed on Gazprom and an intermediary in the office called RosUkrEnergo (RUE), where the Russian gas monopoly indirectly (through Gazprombank) owned only 50%. The rest went to Dmitry Firtash and Ivan Fursin. At the same time, behind Firtash stood none other than Semyon Mogilevich (one of the leaders of the Solntsevo organized criminal group, arrested by the FSB in 2008, but failed to prove anything; the US FBI offers information that will lead to his arrest, $ 100 thousand) . As a result, instead of $ 98, Ukraine received gas at the same average European price of $ 230.

Next, we invade the abysses of WikiLeaks., Or rather, the report of William Taylor, then US Ambassador to Ukraine, about a meeting with Firtash in 2008. “During the meeting, which lasted two and a half hours, Firtash told the ambassador that he was a non-public person who, more recently, had begun to plunge into Ukrainian politics more and more. He admitted that he“ faithfully served ”President Yushchenko as an unofficial adviser during tense gas negotiations with Russia and the political crisis during the 2004 Orange Revolution. He said that at the request of the President he had met three times with Yushchenko at his dacha last week. " The same is confirmed by the ex-head of the secretariat of Yushchenko, Oleg Rybachuk. “I don’t know how often they met in the private residence of the president, but, as colleagues told me, he took a very active part in the negotiations.”

“I have repeatedly started a conversation with the president about the fact that the gas scheme with the participation of RosUkrEnergo is unacceptable. Each time, in response, Viktor Andreyevich simply remained silent and averted his eyes. From many years of experience in communicating with him, I know this reaction very well: Yushchenko is silent if he I do not agree with your arguments, but I cannot argue with arguments. " Around this place, Moscow apparently had a strong idiosyncrasy on Maidan, because stealing in the way that team stole would have seemed impossible.

Yulia Tymoshenko, who returned to power in 2007, looked equally skeptical at the business of her competitors, and in 2008 RUE was equally removed from the trade in Russian gas. Nevertheless, the intermediary managed to accumulate a debt of $ 2,4 billion - and the Kremlin demanded payment, simultaneously announcing Firtash and Fursin on the federal wanted list. Here, the touching agreement between Miller and the Ukrainian "gas goddess" ended - despite the fact that Yushchenko acknowledged the debt (of course, blaming the blame for his appearance on the prime minister), Tymoshenko refused to pay, saying that it was not the state’s debt, but the RUE.

At the same time, at the end of the year, Yushchenko tried to return the structure to the game. RosUkrEnergo was bidding $ 285 against $ 235 from Naftogaz (Gazprom wanted $ 250), but Moscow looked at Firtash obliquely, preferring the scheme - less money, but transparent schemes. President Yushchenko’s response to the billionaire’s losses and cruel mockery of a crystal-honest Ukrainian business was tough and unequivocal - the delegation was recalled from the talks ... Naftogaz; however, the latter refused to guarantee transit. Yushchenko and Firtash wanted money at any price — and the Kremlin’s lack of flexibility caused them genuine confusion.

As a result, on January 1, 2009 of the Russian Federation again stopped gas supplies to Ukraine. The “war”, accompanied by shameless gas extraction by “Ukrainian partners,” continued until January 19. In general, in the course of this remarkable epic, one can observe the entire Ukrainian classics - transit blackmail, howling European officials, statements by Kiev politicians that Russia is robbing Ukraine, setting non-market prices (actually making $ 320 then) free (that is, in vain) with full gas storages and ultrapatriotic propaganda (Yushchenko: "this is" blackmail each of you "," one of the forms of increasing the risks of your existence, stability "). The final result was an agreement, according to Second, gas prices were tied to oil prices (more precisely, oil products — gasoil and fuel oil) with a quarterly revision — that is, according to the generally accepted European formula adopted as early as 1960-s at the suggestion of the Netherlands government. - At the beginning of 2009, the price of a barrel fell to $ 33,67, and in Kiev they thought it would be for a long time.The 20% discount for a year was an additional “carrot” - the southwestern neighbor was given time to improve the energy efficiency of production. Anyway, in the 2009-m scheme worked - the gas cost Ukraine $ 228 per thousand cubic meters, almost half the price than less "advanced" users; de facto, this meant a subsidy worth about $ 5 billion. Nevertheless, Firtash-Yushchenko’s tandem did not return RosUkrEnergo to the game. Firtash was left to earn money from Naftogaz, the latter, hard-won courts, gave it to 2010- 2012 gas worth about $ 5 billion

Further it is not difficult to imagine. Already at the beginning of 2010 it became clear that Kiev had traditionally outwitted itself - the oil price exceeded $ 80, and gas prices followed next; at the same time, the discount has expired, and yet in 2009 in Ukraine, they were by no means engaged in improving energy efficiency. As a result, in the first quarter of 2010, the price of gas for Ukraine amounted to $ 300- $ 310 (on average in Europe - $ 308). The Yanukovych’s administration, which came to power, suddenly realized that the Putin-Tymoshenko agreement was “criminal,” and the price was, of course, “non-market.” The result was the Kharkov agreements - in exchange for a prolongation of the Black Sea stay fleet in Sevastopol until 2042, Kiev received a 30% discount, which, however, could not exceed $ 100. In other words, prices were returned in 2009, continuing to subsidize the Ukrainian economy - which did not stop Ukrainian politicians from singing the traditional song about robbery, which is independent (for example, Arseniy Yatsenyuk claimed that European countries pay $ 170- $ 220; a typical case of shameless lies).

By the end of the year, the authorities joined the opposition chorus — prices rose to $ 256,7 per thousand cubic meters, and the Yanukovych administration again suddenly realized that the contract it had signed was “non-market”. Kiev began to seek additional discounts - but Moscow has already managed to figure out what constitutes a Donetsk protégé. The Kremlin did not intend to reduce the price by several times in relation to the average European one for the further success of the movement on the euromount against the background of the non-fulfillment of the “pro-Russian” election promises, and the contract was not revised.

Since then, the Kiev authorities have had three main activities: a) expensive and meaningless projects to reduce gas dependence on Russia

b) attempts to finally get discounts

c) agitation and propaganda - the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians firmly believe that they receive "the most expensive gas in Europe".

We will analyze the last point in more detail. The beginning of the saga of “the most expensive gas” was put by ex-premier Mykola Azarov, who regularly reproduced this thesis for several years from the end of 2010. As an example, quote 2011-th: "Ukraine receives gas according to the formula of Tymoshenko is much more expensive than Germany receives gas, much more expensive than Poland receives. Is that normal? Does it fit into the strategic partnership? And by and large Russia will be forced agree with us. " In reality, when this outraged tirade was pronounced, Germany received gas at $ 355, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia - at $ 340- $ 360, Ukraine - at $ 295. Azarov, to put it mildly, was engaged in manipulations - “forgetting” about the discount and the transport component and indicating the basic price of gas, which existed only on paper. Over time, this has become the rule of good tone in the Ukrainian establishment - thus, speaking at the beginning of 2013, the Deputy Minister of Coal Industry and Energy, Vladimir Makukha, on duty, informed the world that in 2012 Ukraine bought gas at $ 416- $ 426, but in the first quarter of the next - by $ 432. It is hardly necessary to clarify that such prices for Ukraine did not exist EVER. Such was the general style of the negotiations and propaganda attacks, which were not expected to lead to any results within three years.

Anyway, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev is absolutely right: the history of gas relations between Russia and Ukraine is the history of endless subsidies to the Ukrainian economy, which was gradually shrinking over the Ukrainian initiative, the parasitism of local “elites”, which actually imposed the Russian Federation on tribute, and Kiev’s deadly offenses that subsidies are insufficient, and parasitism is not enough with impunity. Of course, this was happening to the cries of the patriotic Ukrainian public, strongly offended by the Muscovites for not allowing Firtash, Mogilevich, Tymoshenko and others to earn money on the very same public.

The rest is well known - the collapsing Ukrainian economy still received gas at $ 268 per thousand cubic meters (the maximum price in 2013 was $ 398) and a loan to pay for the accumulated gas debt. For comparison, the average price for Italy in 2013 was $ 418, Germany - $ 479, France - $ 555. Relatively cheap gas was supplied to Turkey, with which Gazprom was linked to the long-concluded 25-year contract ($ 388) and Britain ($ 330), where the gas monopoly obviously made a bet on actively expanding its market share.

In other words, Ukraine received an ultra-attractive price by any standards - however, naturally, Moscow did not wait for a shadow of gratitude (conscious patriots of Ukraine immediately concluded that $ 268 is market-based, and earlier the price was overvalued). The same rates remained the same after the February coup - the Russian Federation faithfully supplied gas throughout the entire first quarter, and continues to supply it now. Meanwhile, the Kiev regime has completely ceased to pay it since the second half of February, despite the fact that only half of the allocated credit went to pay. As a result, in March alone, Ukraine’s debt grew by $ 550 million, reaching $ 2,2 billion. In practice, we sponsored and are sponsoring a regime hostile to Russia.

1 April, Gazprom announced the cancellation of the “Yanukovich discount” and the increase in prices to $ 385,5 - officially due to the failure to fulfill obligations to pay off the debt and the lack of payment for current supplies. On April 3, the Kharkiv agreements were denounced and the price rose to $ 485. However, as sources in Moscow explained, it was a question of a preventive measure - in fact, the price should have come closer to $ 500 in the event of possible excesses from the Ukrainian side. April 7 is the deadline for March calculations. In other words, the “cold” phase of the gas war began two weeks ago.

Meanwhile, the reaction of Kiev became less and less adequate. On April 4, the Ukrainian profile minister Yuriy Prodan declared that it was to blame for the non-payment for gas ... Russia. "There were commitments, arrangements. Among these arrangements of 2013, there were also obligations of the Russian side to provide Ukraine with a loan of $ 15 billion. You know, the first part of the loan in December 2013 of $ 3 billion was paid and received by Ukraine. The second Part of the obligations came in February 2014 of the year, while the Russian side also pledged to provide Ukraine with a loan in the amount of $ 2 billion. Moreover, there were agreements, obligations from Ukraine - that Ukraine would pay the money as favoring gas payments. Such arrangements were. Now we are looking to confirm these agreements formally, in writing. " At the same time, Ukraine insisted on keeping the same gas price ($ 268). In other words, Moscow was asked to maintain massive subsidies and loans for the new Ukrainian regime. The problem is that there are no lending obligations associated with the gas contract in the Russian Federation, and there wasn’t.

5 April Prodan also continued to assert that it would ensure gas transit to Europe regardless of the development of a “dialogue” with Russia, but then the position of Ukraine began to evolve rapidly. Already on April 8, the minister announced that at the price of $ 500, transit would be threatened, and he directly called the actions of the Russian Federation an economic war. The next day, the head of the National Bank of Ukraine, Stepan Kubiv, struck the financiers with a fresh discovery in the field of monetary policy, saying that Ukraine had already “returned” the Russian $ 3 billion loan by paying them gas. Here it is remarkable, firstly, as an alternative logic, by virtue of which the spent credit is considered to be returned. Secondly, a direct lie - only $ 1,6 billion went to pay for gas, while $ 1,4 billion disappeared in an unknown direction (obviously, this explains the sharp decrease in the rate of compression of gold and currency reserves of the NBU). 9 of the Ministry of Energy realized its threats by stopping the injection of gas into underground storage facilities (PGH) - which practically guaranteed interruptions in transit. The Kiev regime actually offered Moscow to support itself by resorting to traditional transit blackmail. At the same time, at a meeting in the Kremlin, it was decided that Ukraine should be transferred to prepay - which was officially possible to do on April 17; the reason for the shutdown of gas appeared with the 1 th May. At the same time, the EU and the United States offered to contain "their bitch children". Putin: "As you know, our partners in Europe recognize the legitimacy of today's Kiev authorities, but they do nothing to support Ukraine. Not a single dollar, not a single euro."

Next came the following. Almost simultaneously, the head of "Naftogaz" Andrei Kobolev directly linked the possibility of "retribution" with the preservation of the old price. Later, deadlines were set during which a new agreement should be concluded - according to the local Ministry of Energy, in the event of a gas shutdown, Ukraine will be able to provide transit for three months at the expense of existing reserves.

The position of the EU and the IMF has been more constructive. European Commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger: "There is no reason to panic. I am preparing a decision for Ukraine to pay Gazprom from the loan package allocated by the IMF, the ECB and the World Bank." Later, the European Union issued two more contradictory signals. On the one hand, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso opposed the introduction of prepayments and, in effect, placed responsibility for transit on Gazprom. On the other hand, Ettinger confirmed his statement about the need to help Ukraine pay $ 2,2 billion in gas debts. A similar statement was made by the head of the IMF's external relations department, Jerry Rice.

At the same time, the Russian Federation formulated the final conditions for the provision of financial assistance to Ukraine, which included constitutional reform, legitimate elections, a settlement in the East and the "legitimization of the situation around Crimea."

In other words, by the middle of last week, the situation looked like this. Kiev will not pay - even the Turkish minimum (about $ 400 per thousand cubic meters) will result in $ 12 billion. Along with the payment of debts ($ 10 billion), this will eat almost all of the PROMOTE Western aid. The problem of the western adventure in Kiev is that, by default, it assumed that the Russian Federation would pay for everything — which they had previously been appointed guilty of the Ukrainian crisis. At the same time, the EU and Ukraine do not actually have three months to negotiate - only 8 billion cubic meters of gas is in storage and it is extremely technologically difficult to extract it from there. Ukraine actually has no alternative sources of gas. With gas imports of the order of 30 billion cubic meters per year, the maximum possible volume of deliveries from Europe is 12 billion cubic meters, while 10 of them falls on Slovakia, which is related to the prospects for reverse, is ambiguous. The problem is that the new Ukrainian authorities are not ready either to invest in the construction of the relevant infrastructure or to guarantee its loading. As a result, Slovakia is ready to supply only 3,2 billion cubic meters without agreement with Gazprom. At the same time, supplies of the order of 1 billion cubic meters in the reverse mode last year allowed Ukraine to save only $ 34 million. If the situation reproduces, the savings will remain "penny" this year.

The idea of ​​importing liquefied natural gas is even more absurd - Turkey has quite clearly stated that it will not let gas carriers pass through the Bosphorus. At the same time, LNG is extremely expensive - for example, gas from Qatar is 40-50% more expensive than Russian gas. In other words, Ukraine has no chance to escape from gas dependence.

Equally absurd is the rhetoric of the West and the Ukrainian establishment, which threatens the Russian Federation with isolation from the European gas market in the event of Moscow’s "wrong" behavior. Consider the situation in more detail. Gazprom’s exports to Europe in 2013 are 139,92 billion cubic meters per year. It is this volume that must be replaced. There are several possible sources of supply in the case of Europe. The most publicized are the United States, which are preparing to start exporting LNG (their production is growing quite fast due to shale technology), followed by Iran, Azerbaijan, Algeria and Qatar. Norway and the Netherlands are hopeless by default - the Dutch reduce production, aggravating the deficit of their own gas in Europe, the Norwegians simply are not able to drastically increase it, and after 2020, it will quickly decline. At the same time, gas production in importing countries is steadily falling (as in Germany it decreased from 16,9 billion cubic meters in 2000 to 10,6 in 2011), and consumption is growing, in particular because of the collapse of nuclear energy.

So, consider the possible alternatives. Let's start with Iran - the situation with it is extremely simple. Iran imposed an embargo on the sale of gas and oil to the EU countries at the beginning of 2013 in response to the "hostile policy towards Iran" (in other words, sanctions). The gesture was largely symbolic, but the same thesis was repeated at the beginning of this year, when the sanctions were decided to lift - but in a modified version. Now the reason for the embargo has become a hostile policy towards Iran and ... Russia. At the same time, an unprecedented barter transaction for the supply of oil to Russia was concluded between the Russian Federation and the IRI, bypassing calculations in dollars. In other words, firstly, potential competitors get along well with each other. Secondly, the main volumes of Iranian gas will be produced by Chinese companies and will go to China. Facing Tehran and Moscow with the foreheads will not succeed in the West - rather, the European market will be divided peacefully. Further, Qatar currently simply does not have gas surpluses (the entire world supply of LNG is 120 billion cubic meters), and exports it mainly to East Asia - at very impressive prices. As for Azerbaijan, its limit is around 4% of the European market. Algeria has only 4 trillion cubic meters of gas reserves (this is approximately seven-year consumption of Ukraine or less than five years - Germany), and the existing pipeline network is able to provide only 47% of gas consumption in Spain.

In other words, the only chance for Europe is the United States, whose export potential was estimated at 200 billion cubic meters, while prices in the US domestic market are $ 135 per thousand cubic meters. However, in this blissful picture there is a series of strokes that frankly spoil it. In the short term, massive gas exports from the US is impossible - as long as they are a net importer (60 billion cubic meters from Canada), and self-sufficiency is expected no earlier than 2017. The start of export supplies also does not promise Europeans a sea of ​​cheap gas. US Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz in an interview with Czech television: "If we take the current cost of gas on the American market and add to this the cost of liquefying gas, transporting, liquefying, and perhaps even building some kind of gas pipeline, then the price is if this gas will be delivered to the Czech Republic - it will be about the same as you pay now. " At the same time, the operations of the minister with the internal prices of the USA are sinful with strong slyness - they are radically underestimated. Shale gas production is now unprofitable. So, Royal Dutch Shell wrote off $ 2,2 billion due to losses associated with the development of shale gas deposits. A year earlier, the shale project turned into a $ 5 billion loss for BHP Billiton.

Increasing domestic gas prices in the United States is a matter of time, and it will be significant. States in a very near future will face a decline in oil production and the closure of a long series of power units at nuclear power plants - and the "falling out" energy will have to be compensated for. It should also take into account the fact that gas reserves, as shown by recent studies, turned out to be overestimated (by 7,5%). Total: The USA, obviously, will never be able to compete with the Russian Federation on the European gas market.

In other words, choosing between the gas war and the subsidization of the anti-Russian regime in Kiev in general, and the headhunter of Russian citizens, Mr. Kolomoisky in particular, the Russian Federation should choose a gas war. At the same time, the whole history of Russian-Ukrainian relations shows that subsidizing Kiev practically brings no political dividends - good intentions are nothing against a well-functioning propaganda machine. The EU and the US must pay for their "success" - so dear that they are not tempted to repeat them.
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  1. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 5 May 2014 14: 23
    +62
    Khorochora while summer, but WINTER CLOSE! Dumb Europe will suffer, and the states will eat burgers and grin.
    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 5 May 2014 14: 57
      +23
      For what they fight and push.
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 5 May 2014 15: 07
        -18%
        Signature collection by UN Security Council on the introduction of Russian peacekeeping forces in the South-East of Ukraine:

        http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v

        oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? cFvvvhb
        1. rasputin17
          rasputin17 6 May 2014 13: 09
          +8
          Quote: zanoza
          Signature collection by UN Security Council on the introduction of Russian peacekeeping forces in the South-East of Ukraine:

          http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v


          oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? cFvvvhb

          I apologize for the immodest question: "WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY NEED THERE ????"
          And then, forgive anyone, are you going to ask what, from the mattress bedding ???
          Do not tell my tattoos !!!!
          1. zanoza
            zanoza 7 May 2014 12: 53
            +1
            Quote: rasputin17
            ... anyone I'm sorry you are going to ask ...


            Turn on the brain. This is just a link to the site, not my call for you or for anyone to votewhere someone collects signatures for Petition.
            This is just information. About, that there is such a site.
            By the way, there is a collection of signatures under Petition on Russia's non-interference in Ukraine’s affairs, THIS is also for your information, respected.
            For information:
            Entering PEACEKEEPING FORCES under the auspices of the UN Security Council, to separate the opposing forces, THIS not capture and especially annexation territory of another state. This is to stop the bloodshed. Examples of input MS, in the world a lot. Do you understand the difference?
            1. petrovih
              petrovih 7 May 2014 17: 56
              0
              Yugoslavia just peacekeepers and divorced
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 5 May 2014 15: 28
        +32
        Ukraine received a discount on gas and could get rich on it, but the oligarchs robbed the discount, and Crimea could rebuild it for rental money and it would make normal profit, all the more decent people managed there, but the fascists shoved tales about evil Russia to the people and they brought up the fascists who didn’t think of a damn thing, only screaming the glory of Ukraine which is no longer there.
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          1. ZU-23
            ZU-23 5 May 2014 17: 05
            +7
            Quote: matRoss
            They have everything - their own power, the oligarchs of the Jews

            YES. Today, Odessa Jews were told by the news that they were tired of this mess and they were leaving for Israel, they were not offended, but this does not concern everyone on their land, that only a few will stand for the land where they live, the rest will blame anyone. Just like me, I would live in China and suddenly they didn’t share what I should do but run away from there, not my war is not my people, if it had been there since my grandfather took root, it would probably be there and stayed to fight.
            1. Grabberxnumx
              Grabberxnumx 6 May 2014 16: 48
              0
              Yes, as we said in the 90s: "This is not emigration, but evacuation!"
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          3. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 5 May 2014 18: 17
            +12
            Quote: matRoss
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            Very precisely you noticed! good +

            I would have gas bypassing Ukraine and the border to the castle, so that the bandits of Slavic appearance did not crawl from Ukraine to Russia.

            In Odessa, murders ... murders of women, children ... the Ukrainian is increasingly becoming the one whose place is behind bars.
          4. Zverboy
            Zverboy 5 May 2014 18: 31
            +23
            No matter how bitterly aware of this, but it is true. We need to be brought to the edge, so that the majority of the population looks over the side, they feel the breath of the economic abyss. Maybe only then, who will begin to see who is our friend and who is the enemy.
            1. fktrcfylhn61
              fktrcfylhn61 7 May 2014 07: 56
              0
              Sad but true! Before it’s too late, turn the forks!
            2. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 8 May 2014 10: 08
              +1
              Quote: St. John's wort
              We need to be brought to the edge, so that the majority of the population looks over the side, they feel the breath of the economic abyss.


              Sorry, but why should you lead to ** ne, you yourself consciously go there. The self-love of a Ukrainian knows no bounds, arrogance, arrogance.You completely forgot your roots!You were stupefied and you are sick!
              After all, you are a Ukrainian Slav! How could you revive fascism and go kill women and children?
          5. Nick
            Nick 5 May 2014 19: 56
            +2
            Quote: matRoss
            ..................................banned and deleted by moderator Apollo

            Dill does not need a brain, it is a plant ...
        3. tommytros
          tommytros 6 May 2014 16: 30
          -3
          ZU-23, I would like to add a little on my own or rather fix it.
          First, getting rich on gas discounts is too loud. Rather, support what they had.
          Second, the gas discount cannot be stolen, because a discount is an intangible thing, but reselling gas at a regular price to the West is possible at a regular price to the West, but Ukraine has not dealt with this. Therefore, the oligarchs did not earn anything from this.
          Third, the propaganda was sponsored by US and EU money, and as the author correctly said, good intentions are significantly inferior to real money.
          1. illarion
            illarion 6 May 2014 23: 38
            +2
            The discount is also material: after all, it was not for nothing that they screamed that Russia was selling them gas at 500. From the population and enterprises they took from such a price
            1. tommytros
              tommytros 8 May 2014 11: 18
              +1
              Rates have just begun to increase. previously, prices for the population were one and a half times lower. Their gas oligarchs have their own gas production companies. In total, about 1 billion cubic meters are mined annually. m of gas.
              Therefore, the discount, after all, is the lost profits of Gazprom and our federal budget, and not a means of enriching the Ukrainian oligarchs.
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      4. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 5 May 2014 19: 34
        +4
        Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
        For what they fight and push.

        The only way to fully settle accounts with Ukraine is to withdraw Ukraine itself as a debt.
    2. CALL.
      CALL. 5 May 2014 14: 58
      +22
      So, Russia and Ukraine are balancing on the verge of another (third in a row) gas war.


    3. jjj
      jjj 5 May 2014 15: 02
      +42
      The United States offers liquefied natural gas pickup at the price of 700 dollars. And while there is only one terminal in readiness. And the volumes have already been contracted to Asia.
      Iran recently officially announced that it would in no way interfere with Russia in the supply of gas to Europe. We will wait for the rise in European prices.
      We need an Asian market with its sweet prices and huge volumes of consumption. Apparently, we will concede a little to China in price, but in return we will receive other preferences and non-interference in our gas expansion into Asia.
      The analysis of the article is good and understandable. To the author - Respect
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 5 May 2014 15: 31
        +17
        Quote: jjj
        The United States offers liquefied natural gas at a cost of $ 700. And while there is only one terminal in readiness.

        I already wrote on this subject the opinion of American experts
        In addition to purely technical problems, such as the lack of a special gas transportation system, with ports, gas holders and evaporation plants (but these problems can be solved), Ukraine itself has a very bad credit history in Gazprom. Ukraine doesn’t face American shale gas, you have to pay for gas under any authority
      2. tommytros
        tommytros 6 May 2014 16: 41
        0
        Quote: jjj
        Apparently, we will concede a little to China in price, but in return we will receive other preferences and non-interference in our gas expansion into Asia.

        China is not an exporter of gas; it is going to import gas from us.
        Vladimir Putin’s visit to China, scheduled, as is known, in May, will most likely end with the signing of an agreement on the supply of our gas in the amount of 38 billion cubic meters per year.
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    4. comprochikos
      comprochikos 5 May 2014 15: 35
      +25
      WE NEED TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING, LORD EUROPEAN !! Including for their fosterlings.
    5. Biolant
      Biolant 5 May 2014 15: 44
      +15
      And Europe is no longer grinning. After the advance payment for gas was announced. Because immediately stirred with loans.
      1. folds
        folds 5 May 2014 18: 03
        +14
        Europe should be advised to buy more gas lighters in China - and drain gas from them :) Reliable, stable source of gas :))
    6. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 5 May 2014 17: 05
      +11
      And to the main consumer, in other words, industry and power plants do not care much for summer or winter. lol
    7. Klepa
      Klepa 5 May 2014 18: 16
      +12
      Bravo! I like to read full-fledged articles with good analytics, and not news surrogates.
      On the subject: "the victory will be ours!"
    8. varov14
      varov14 5 May 2014 18: 30
      +7
      Ghouls festooned on their own head, and now we are surprised. Good deeds laid the road to hell.
    9. ECT
      ECT 5 May 2014 21: 53
      +3
      And it's good that the GDP recently said to the Europeans: "What will you heat with, you do not need gas, you are not developing nuclear energy, you will heat with firewood, and there is firewood only in Siberia." And it was very nice to sweeten the nervous laughter of the Europeans, the comers understand that they don't even need these sanctions.
      1. tommytros
        tommytros 6 May 2014 17: 03
        +1
        Well yes!
        Just recently, on November 26, 2010.
        Then the sanctions did not particularly smell.
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      3. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 7 May 2014 19: 16
        0
        Quite right! To cut off the Ukrainian pipe on figs and by autumn "the price of firewood will rise at Kiivi", the advance of the Ukrainian steppe towards the Carpathians, Galicia, and further Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, etc. will begin. And when the whole forest is cut down, maybe the brains will fall into place! And the geyrope and the lesson, oh, sorry, "ukrov"
    10. Siberian German
      Siberian German 6 May 2014 04: 10
      0
      But gas is not only heating - it is fertilizers, polymers and much more, and we must remember this
    11. larand
      larand 6 May 2014 17: 01
      +4
      Our logic is not at all clear. It must be so, there is money - there is gas, there is no money - there is no gas. What do we always get into someone’s position? I don’t like our gas - put a large tank and push it, methane will also be its own and free.
    12. Sterlya
      Sterlya 10 May 2014 03: 02
      0
      With euro-payments only on a prepayment basis. they lend themselves worse. the sooner they sit on o ... pu. the faster they find themselves from dope
  2. grog_bm
    grog_bm 5 May 2014 14: 25
    +19
    Forward the USA and Europe !!! And also to refuse from a buck in payment for energy carriers !!! And so in 5-7 years and from the Euro and the Adios Amigos !!
  3. lars
    lars 5 May 2014 14: 25
    +15
    It’s time, it’s time, to say a word on the economic front!
  4. Little Muck
    Little Muck 5 May 2014 14: 26
    +56
    The EU and the US must pay for their "successes" - so much so that there is no temptation to repeat them.
    I completely agree with this. No mercy.
    And with the junta no negotiations about anything. Enough talk with Ub.
    1. Tarpon
      Tarpon 5 May 2014 14: 44
      +20
      Quote: Little Muck
      The EU and the US must pay for their "successes" - so much so that there is no temptation to repeat them.
      I completely agree with this. No mercy.
      And with the junta no negotiations about anything. Enough talk with Ub.

      +1 No more gas discounts.
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    3. cumastra1
      cumastra1 5 May 2014 14: 58
      +10
      What can we talk about with the Nazis? If we cannot shoot, then at least evacuate our own, dig trenches deeper along the border? But in general - the hands themselves are drawn to the red button .... Yanukovych’s hand didn’t rise to sign a decree on the use of force against maydaunov ... here it is the result - a bloody massacre. This is the question of humanism - to spare and protect the Nazis or their victims? Europe and the entire civilized world made a choice in favor of the Nazis ... What should we consult with them? you need to take care of yourself, about your country, so that after tomorrow Bandera sabotage troops do not penetrate the border ...
    4. gandalf
      gandalf 5 May 2014 20: 24
      +2
      The EU and the US must pay for their "successes" - so much so that there is no temptation to repeat them.


      If they pay in full, then repeating will not be not only a temptation, but an opportunity.
    5. PATTIY
      PATTIY 5 May 2014 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: Little Muck
      The EU and the US must pay for their "successes" - so much so that there is no temptation to repeat them.

      And Ukraine-Maidan.
  5. Name
    Name 5 May 2014 14: 27
    +24
    The EU recognized Ukraine's debts to Russia for gas, which means it "felt" the danger of being left without our supplies and the unreality of Obama's promises to supply liquefied goods from the USA. hi
    1. zanoza
      zanoza 5 May 2014 14: 53
      -12%
      Collection of signatures under a petition to the Security Council on the introduction of Russian peacekeeping forces in the South-East of Ukraine:

      https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorchesk

      ie_voyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? aFvvvhb


      Или: http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v
      oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? cFvvvhb
      1. niki233
        niki233 5 May 2014 17: 51
        +7
        splinter calm down, they themselves have not yet figured out who to go with.
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 5 May 2014 18: 44
          -2
          Quote: niki233
          splinter calm down ...

          Need to calm down the Kiev junta.

          And I just gave a link to the sitewhere right or wrong, but caring people vote for help to the Southeast.

          You interesting about gas your choice.
          1. gandalf
            gandalf 5 May 2014 20: 27
            +6
            A hasty entry of Russian troops will give a trump card to the propaganda of the West and all of their media will go bankrupt so that Mama does not grieve, regardless of the presence of a UN mandate. There will be provocations, bases, etc. to discredit the soldiers of the Russian Federation. All this will increase the resistance of the junta forces with an increase in civilian casualties.
            1. zanoza
              zanoza 5 May 2014 22: 28
              +4
              Quote: gandalf
              Hasty entry of troops of the Russian Federation ...

              And who is talking about the introduction of troops? The people on that site subscribe to the petition to the UN Security Council.
              This Petition has no legal and binding force, I hope you understand this, the Security Council will not consider it, and if V. Churkin is required to take into account the opinion of the people, the United States and its satellites will veto.
              But people say they want to stop the punitive operation, which "minuses" dissidents in the Southeast machine gun bursts.
              This is just a protest popular action.
              Wonder why published link (address) of this site for information of members of the forumcaused so much negativity. Do not come in, do not vote ... request
    2. wolf7
      wolf7 5 May 2014 15: 15
      +8
      They understood this very well before and, as usual, waited for concessions from Russia, and then it smelled so bummed that they no longer listen to overseas patrons and freeze it for them.
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      2. alexng
        alexng 5 May 2014 16: 17
        +5
        In short, for them a complete eurooperation on the nose, i.e. Evzhopa, that’s squealing.
  6. Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 5 May 2014 14: 28
    +13
    shale gas in terms of energy output is two times lower than natural ... it is necessary to count from this, and not from the total volume.
    1. northern
      northern 5 May 2014 14: 35
      -21%
      go back to school, teach chemistry and physics. Shale gas (mainly methane) in its calorific value during combustion is no different from natural.
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 5 May 2014 14: 40
        +11
        Is different. It is also different. Physics is not required here. You just have to try it yourself. Have a compressed gas car in mind? Then do not be surprised how at one filling "to the belly" there is enough gas for different distances from different filling stations.
      2. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 5 May 2014 15: 02
        +27
        specific heat of combustion of natural gas (methane - 95% and 5% other heavier gases) ranges from 28 to 46 MJ / m3, or 6,7 - 11 Mcal / m3 depending on the purity of the produced gas (more impurities, less heat) the heat of shale gas is from 12 to 25 MJ / m3, or 2,8 - 6,2 Mcal / m3, from this picture we see that the calorific value of shale gas is 2 times lower, and although it also consists of methane, 40%, the remaining 60% are heavier gases, the combustion of which produces more carbon dioxide and soot than heat

        northern

        excellent student - this is for you!
        1. northern
          northern 5 May 2014 16: 24
          -14%
          Dear, your numbers are correct, but only if you drive gas directly from the well into the stove and burn it there. Then, depending on the shale gas deposits (there are a lot of them and the component composition of the gas varies greatly), the difference with what you are used to calling natural gas will be. As a clear analogy, I’ll say this - you don’t refuel a car with crude oil directly from a well? The same goes for gas. In the form in which it is extracted from the ground, it is not used.
          Minusators, did you think about that?
          1. nikcris
            nikcris 5 May 2014 16: 44
            +2
            We thought and do not minus - he erased himself)))
            1. northern
              northern 5 May 2014 16: 52
              -1
              Well, I compensated someone's minus for you :-)
          2. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 5 May 2014 17: 44
            +8
            thought, and very stubbornly: any gas processing increases the price, for all this is an axiom (a theorem that does not require proof, from the course of geometry for the 5th grade of the Soviet school), something like that, mister hi an excellent student
            1. northern
              northern 5 May 2014 18: 02
              0
              do not confuse the economics of mining and processing with the economics of using finished fuel
              1. rasputin17
                rasputin17 6 May 2014 13: 25
                +3
                Quote: north
                do not confuse the economics of mining and processing with the economics of using finished fuel

                And in the compartment, all this makes up the final price of the product and is reflected in the profitability of production! This is for you from the course of economics for technical schools from the Soviet period. You would not run into the demagogy of the absurd, but just take into account, as your knowledge increases, the simple axiom that any product manipulation associated with the material costs of it in the process of extraction, processing, transportation, storage and sale to the final consumer is reflected in the final selling price to the consumer. hi
      3. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 5 May 2014 15: 16
        +2
        Methane is methane, but the gas in nature is not uniform in content.
      4. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 5 May 2014 16: 26
        +4
        Truant ... And little fellow. Teach materiel, chemistry, for example
        1. northern
          northern 5 May 2014 16: 31
          -5
          taught well, do not worry. If you master something more difficult than 2 + 2, read this, a very detailed analysis of "good and bad" gas. http://mirvn.livejournal.com/10459.html
          1. northern
            northern 5 May 2014 18: 04
            -2
            throw minuses, for the proposal to read the scientific calculation on the subject of the dispute, ingenious! :-)
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 5 May 2014 14: 41
      0
      Well, not two, of course.
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    4. AnaBat
      AnaBat 5 May 2014 14: 47
      +4
      It is still necessary to extract gas from the region and infrastructure is needed ... loot is needed, however!
      1. northern
        northern 5 May 2014 16: 27
        +4
        Yes, shale gas production is not cheap. The Americans seemed to call the cost of their shale gas in the region of 150USD per 1000 cubic meters.
        Many confuse the economics of shale gas production with the economics of its use in energy and industry.
        1. yur
          yur 5 May 2014 21: 15
          +4
          Quote: north
          Many confuse the economics of shale gas production with the economics of its use in energy and industry.
          And here is that economy, this economy. For industry and individuals, the FINAL price of gas for the consumer is important, and it is clearly not in favor of shale gas.
        2. Containers
          Containers 6 May 2014 17: 01
          +1
          And if the calorie content is at least one and a half times lower, gas will accordingly have to be spent at least one and a half times more. Accordingly, the cost of consumption increases by the same minimum one and a half times. 150 bucks is the cost of production "at the exit from the well", here add transportation costs, market margins. In general, the cost of consumption for the end user will be at least the same, which is unlikely. Practice shows that it will be significantly higher. If you have additional hemorrhoids.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 5 May 2014 16: 58
        +13
        Quote: AnaBat
        With rcevogo gas still need to be extracted and the infrastructure is needed ... loot is needed however

        - have already discussed this issue at VO and with the help of a good expert. Shale gas is also very terrible for its environmental consequences - after all, large volumes of some kind of poisonous gels and other nasty things are pumped underground. At the exit, you received gas, at the same time you received a "lunar landscape" over a vast territory, which will need to be preserved in an exclusion zone like the exclusion zone in Chernobyl. Whether it is natural gas - I drilled a hole, took measures to ensure that there was no leakage from the well during transportation - and that's fine.
        I do not know why amers need to develop this dangerous technology? Revenues from high-tech sales are not enough for them? Envious of Russia's gas revenues? Or just to undermine Russia's economic base? Here their considerations are difficult to understand. In my opinion, they would have turned their production from China and lived happily ever after, they had good automobile manufacturing, computer technologies and so on. Even Motorola's cell phones were pretty good. The latest surge is iPhones and iPads. That's all the Asians safely lost. The iPhone brazenly loses to Samsung, it’s not funny for cars for a long time, and soon Chinese and neighboring countries such as Taiwan will completely take control of computer technology. Software in some part will be taken by Russians with their mathematical traditions, in some part Indians from Bangalore. Americans considered all this a trifle, they have one concern - to keep their dollar as the dominant currency. So anyway, the dollar is not a tenant. Well, or tenant is still a maximum of years ... eleven. The Americans didn’t rely on the wrong thing, not at all on that. And for the sake of their green piece of paper, the whole world was turned against themselves. So at the UN for fear of something there against Russia they vote, behind the scenes they say a completely different thing, and they will soon speak in the face of Obama and Psakam.
        My popcorn is ending, I'll go for a new one. We live in an extremely interesting time, the story is happening before our eyes, there will be something for our grandchildren to tell. laughing
        1. Rostovchanin
          Rostovchanin 5 May 2014 19: 47
          +14
          for me in general an epic with shale gas resembles an SDI program in the 80s
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 5 May 2014 20: 06
            +5
            Quote: Rostovchanin
            for me in general an epic with shale gas resembles an SDI program in the 80s
            - in-in! Only Russia is not being waged for cheap divorces - after all, it’s not an old Politburo in power.
        2. salamandra2826
          salamandra2826 5 May 2014 21: 17
          0
          It’s necessary to quickly turn the greens into gold, and then later we will stand in line at the default of Sam. Not enough for everyone.
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 5 May 2014 22: 37
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          I do not know why amers need to develop this dangerous technology? Revenues from high-tech sales are not enough for them?

          The only goal is to bring down the price of Russian gas.
        4. Zeus
          Zeus 6 May 2014 02: 02
          0
          We catch up with them on computers. For example, Elbrus processors. For a couple of years they are inferior in size in nanometers. And in performance level.
        5. Gomel
          Gomel 6 May 2014 16: 24
          0
          from 1981 to 2013, dollar inflation was exactly 25%. Moreover, the acceleration in percentage terms occurred in the last 8 years (since 2005). Let me remind you that in 2005, the session of the Chinese parliament (National People's Congress) approved Jiang Zemin's request to resign from the post of Chairman of the Central Military Council of the PRC. Later, this post was also taken by Hu Jintao, which completed the process of a change of power in the country's top leadership and, accordingly, untied the hands of the "progressives" in promoting their Chinese "soft power", which did not prevent the global financial crisis of 2008. Moreover, the process was continued by the next generation of managers ...
          A similar process of transferring power was laid by Deng Xiaoping, the "architect" of Chinese reforms. It was he who, during his lifetime, called the name of his successor and actually determined the period of tenure in the highest government post - 10 years. Nevertheless, the generation of leaders is counted precisely from the "founding father" of the PRC, Mao Zedong.
  7. Giant thought
    Giant thought 5 May 2014 14: 29
    +12
    Everywhere it is accepted: pay money - take the goods. Hoh.ly want everything for free. It will not work this time, not the alignment.
  8. Gagarin
    Gagarin 5 May 2014 14: 30
    +39
    It would not seem DEPROMATIC, but if tomorrow you cut off the gas altogether, the junta will fly off to the scrap in a week, and Europe will stand in the Kremlin asking for negotiations ...
    AND IN UKRAINE WILL STOP KILLING RUSSIANS.
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 5 May 2014 14: 46
      +10
      Well, if that were so - they would have done it a long time ago. so what is easier then. but apparently there are other reasons
      1. smile
        smile 5 May 2014 15: 56
        +16
        nicollider
        I think there are no reasons here - just in order not to undermine your authority as a supplier, you need to act within the framework of the concluded contracts and international law. So we follow the relevant rules. Just the procedure is quite long.
    2. smile
      smile 5 May 2014 15: 50
      +18
      Gagarin
      The junta will fly off in any case. We are discussing gas here, with this everything is clear - without gas (and there will be none), the industry and economy of Ukraine will cease to agonize and, exhausted, will release a last sigh of relief. But the fact is that this will begin a real famine in the ruins of the country. A very busy battle with cursed ... bandar-logs was torn off the crop .... In Ukraine in winter there will simply be nothing to eat.
      My hair stands on end when I imagine. what will happen in Ukraine in winter. But it will be. It will be in any case, even if the South-East amicably tomorrow yell-Slavuheroam ....
      Thus, the bandarlogs have already actually caused an unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe in Ukraine, the consequences of which hit the heads of the Ukrainians a little later - among other things. And the hungry gangs of fascists, I am afraid, in such a situation will get out of the control of those who lead them. And what will they do then, even imagine sickeningly. In any case, they will do one thing for sure - they will devour their current owners and try to appropriate their property .... The bony ghost of Libya is already standing at its full height over Ukraine - like a grave cross over a junta ...
      And the Nazis will not stop killing Russians - they have been nurtured for a quarter of a century and they have already tasted blood .... I must confess that I can’t even imagine what any authority that has arisen on the remains of Ukraine will have to do with it .... I don’t want to talk about that it is necessary to shed a lot of blood, but only destruction comes to mind, like mad dogs. There is nothing else to fix them, and they will forever remain destructive elements in any state within whose borders Bandera will live, releasing the guts from Ukraine.
      1. igordok
        igordok 5 May 2014 18: 00
        +5
        Quote: smile
        But the fact is that this will begin a real famine in the ruins of the country.

        Russia will naturally be guilty of hunger.
        1. smile
          smile 5 May 2014 18: 16
          +6
          igordok
          Well, yak zhezh? If you believe Bandera propaganda, then for centuries we strangled Ukrainians-like Abyrvalg cats :))) So that we are to blame for everything ... already in advance ... :)))
          1. salamandra2826
            salamandra2826 5 May 2014 21: 30
            +1
            Although you stay on the sidelines, it’s all the same to blame. And if we close the borders, which is unlikely, there will be a famine -2
        2. Hedgehog
          Hedgehog 8 May 2014 02: 01
          0
          I think "Daddy" has long gone out of this topic and will sell its curd cheese and potatoes to Ukrainians in the fall ... and since "Ukraine tse Europe" then the price will be European :))
      2. salamandra2826
        salamandra2826 5 May 2014 21: 27
        0
        When they want to eat them, they should ask them to eat and work west, not east. And then, Biryulyovo will be flowers. How much criminogen gush.
      3. rolik
        rolik 6 May 2014 01: 14
        +1
        Quote: smile
        Frankly, I can’t even imagine what any authority that has arisen on the remains of Ukraine will have to do with them ...

        What they did before is to destroy. Hang on all lampposts. So that no more than 30 seconds pass between capture and sentencing. The cancerous tumor is removed so that metastases do not occur. Run the treatment and death is inevitable.
        I’m wondering, the pastor and the rabbit are still happy about the power that has fallen on them ????? Or they already realized that if they didn’t manage to escape, they would hang out in the middle of Kiev next to their ascetics.
        One inspires hope. GDP is silent, and this always happens before the next beautiful move. The necessary decrees are signed with astonishing speed. I look forward to the next execution of the burned and his Merkel engraftment.
      4. magosvel
        magosvel 6 May 2014 01: 30
        0
        They want to be a geyropu, and there they need to be fused irrevocably. May their fosters be pleased.
      5. alauda1038
        alauda1038 7 May 2014 17: 08
        0
        for that they are now absolutely free
    3. mamont5
      mamont5 5 May 2014 16: 27
      +2
      Quote: Gagarin
      It would not seem DEPROMATIC, but if tomorrow you cut off the gas altogether, the junta will fly off to the scrap in a week, and Europe will stand in the Kremlin asking for negotiations ...


      They (Europe and Ukraine partially) before this mess were stocked with gas in reserve. Europe may be enough for the summer, and Ukraine on the 1-2 month. So while there is no point in shutting off the gas, only an extra screech will rise.
    4. Zverboy
      Zverboy 6 May 2014 10: 43
      0
      In Ukraine, they will stop killing people !!! And only fascists and Natsiks divide people by nationality.
  9. Hariva
    Hariva 5 May 2014 14: 31
    +38
    The article is written surprisingly interesting and profitable. A tedious topic that got tired of it, but reads like a good-quality thriller. To author +
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 5 May 2014 15: 00
      +5
      I also liked it ... finally I began to understand what and why and from where my legs grow in gas showdowns with Ukraine
    2. Sergh
      Sergh 5 May 2014 15: 46
      +10
      Quote: Hariva
      The article is written surprisingly interesting and profitable.

      I was surprised myself. How many articles I read about the gas war with Ukraine, then more than half is incomprehensible. And here everything is laid out simply and style on the average layman, without troubles. I’ll even copy myself for further explanations with my friends.
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 5 May 2014 16: 02
        -3
        No need to spread it to "friends". It is possible that you are stupidly disgraced. After all, you do not control the "simple questions".
        The average man in the street, without a glamor, is stylish. Copy.
        Have I been pulled by one?
        Cresty.
    3. bomg.77
      bomg.77 5 May 2014 23: 11
      +1
      I support, a good article! The author is well done!
      As for the possibility of shale gas supply. and from the USA I heard other numbers, not 200bn, but only 40bn and then by 2020! They won’t be able to cut off the volume supplied by Russia, even in the very long term! This is the SOI space program, as correctly noted in the top comments!
  10. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 5 May 2014 14: 31
    +9
    It has long been necessary to draw a line on gas discounts, otherwise we raised presidents in UKRAINE, who in fact turned out to be traitors to their people and RUSSIA. And now we continue to feed the junta. It is necessary for all who support the junta in Ukraine to shut off the gas. We won’t lose much from this, but we’ll win it for sure. good drinks
  11. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 5 May 2014 14: 32
    +15
    There is such a proverb = do not do good to people, you will not get evil! And for ho.h.h.L. and how not to be refined - you will not be good!
    1. smile
      smile 5 May 2014 16: 01
      +7
      VNP1958PVN
      I guess. 4 to speak out is unacceptable. Delone in nationality. but in that. what ideology does the current Ukrainian junta profess ... and not only the current one - but the entire Ukrainian leadership of Ukraine imposed a hostile attitude on us (under the leadership of Western masters) over the entire history of Ukraine. And smear with dirt all Ukrainians, it’s not worth it, they are the same as we are. Our swamp, for example, are no different from maydaunov.
  12. Good cat
    Good cat 5 May 2014 14: 34
    +7
    Yeah, gay Europeans understand the hit on the pocket very well ".. everything is for fun here except money"
  13. nikcris
    nikcris 5 May 2014 14: 36
    +7
    In Russia, the regions producing gas are sitting on wood with coal am
    1. mashine
      mashine 5 May 2014 14: 57
      +22
      Is Putin also to blame for this? I am from Tatarstan - there is 100% gasification. I was in Shadrinsk (beyond the Urals) - there they drown on wood in some places. Think about it. What is the matter there. Maybe the locals let us down? So go and kick them in the ass. Let them work, and if they don’t want to work, write to the president’s website, to the court, to the prosecutor’s office. Anywhere. The best option is to write to the media - everything quickly disperses there.
      1. Committee
        Committee 5 May 2014 16: 15
        +7
        Quote: mashine
        Shadrinsk (beyond the Urals)
        So it is, just not in favor, but in the Urals. Here is an example - 12 km from Yekaterinburg, we cannot gasify the village, 200 plots, Gorgaz already draws 900 thousand rubles from each, and wait 3 years, and then the amount may triple. It turns out that gold gas ... only two people from our entire partnership can pay such a sum ... Although the high-pressure gas pipeline passes right behind the fence, and the distribution system is 40 meters away from us. They explained to us that these are purposeful actions. Maybe revenge for Yeltsin, I don't know ...
      2. nikcris
        nikcris 5 May 2014 17: 13
        +10
        Not Putin. He did not charge me the connection to the pipe for 150 rubles. The pipe is nearby.
        Last week, my employee was happy - they would deliver gas to his dacha almost free of charge. Initially - 23 rubles. Then it turned out that this was the price for "PROEKT". Well, like, draw a couple of lines with a pencil.
        As a result, the price jumped over 100 pieces. And this is just the beginning! Bl for this money I’ll drown with firewood until I die. Dubovoe
        1. Committee
          Committee 5 May 2014 20: 59
          +2
          Quote: nikcris
          I will drown with firewood
          you look at the circle also come out cheaper! Yes, and more romantic smile
        2. andron72
          andron72 7 May 2014 16: 36
          0
          Putin has nothing to do with it. It’s the local authorities that are greyhounding. angry
    2. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 5 May 2014 14: 58
      +6
      And gas is more expensive than in Ukraine where it is.
      1. Committee
        Committee 5 May 2014 16: 26
        +4
        Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
        Yes, and gas is more expensive than in Ukraine
        You’ll be surprised now. Ukraine - individual heating of houses, tariff per month. 10-12 hryvnias (30-40 rubles) per cube, Yekaterinburg, the Broad River district - 180-200 rubles. per cube What does it mean?
        1. yur
          yur 5 May 2014 21: 50
          +4
          Quote: Committee
          tariff per month 10-12 hryvnias (30-40 rubles) per cube, Yekaterinburg, the Broad River district - 180-200 rubles. per cube What does it mean?
          Do not understand. Cube of what? In the Smolensk region, the cost of 1 cubic meter of gas is 3 rubles 82 kopecks.
          1. yur
            yur 6 May 2014 00: 21
            +2
            Quote: yur
            Do not understand. Cube of what? In the Smolensk region
            I didn’t get it again. Less for what? For information? fool
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            2. siberalt
              siberalt 6 May 2014 04: 46
              0
              Be careful! In each emoticon used, moderators can see a hidden obscenity and recognize it as a "gross violation" of the Site Rules. The law has already been signed by the guarantor of the Constitution.
        2. Containers
          Containers 6 May 2014 17: 52
          +1
          What nonsense. We have a gas tariff without a meter - 75 rubles per 13 cubic meters (normal) per person. With a counter - 5 with a penny per cubic meter. This is just a stove in the house. If the heating of a residential building (house, cottage) is 4 rubles / m2 according to the meter or 40 rubles / m2 without a meter.
    3. nikcris
      nikcris 5 May 2014 14: 58
      +7
      Hey minus the Fans!
      Here is the plan of the huge Yamal -
      "1." Supply gas pipeline to boiler rooms MK-126, MK-144 of Uralets settlement, Moscow region, Novy Urengoy, YaNAO "(length 5,572 km).

      2. “The gas pipeline from the gas distribution station of the Urengoy State District Power Station to the boiler house TF MO-93 p. Korotchaevo settlement of the city of Novy Urengoy, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug ”(length 20,42 km).

      3. “Gas pipeline from boiler room No. 1 to boiler room No. 2 of the city of Nadym, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug” (length 2,63 km).

      The construction of the object “Inter-settlement gas pipeline from the gas distribution station to the village. Kharsaim MO Priuralsky district, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug "(length 0,89 km)."

      Estimate kilometers to a map of the region.
      1. jagdpanzer
        jagdpanzer 5 May 2014 15: 27
        +4
        Estimate kilometers to the map
        there they are not visible, take a ten-page layout laughing
      2. Coffee_time
        Coffee_time 5 May 2014 15: 36
        +11
        I agree that the main Yamal 2 gas pipeline goes to Europe through the Arkhangelsk region, but the local settlements through which the gas pipeline passes or those lying nearby do not have the opportunity to use this gas. And where the fuck is this justice ukrokhokhlam supply gas for free, and they sit with coal and firewood, by the way they also issue a law so that an individual could not cut wood for firewood, only organizations. How tired of this policy.
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 5 May 2014 16: 25
          +3
          WTO, optil. fellow They can’t control the firewood, thank God. I drown in the village of Oaks))). In Saratov, the gas in my apartment is 270 rubles. It’s time to set up a counter, but you’ll get yours bumped off by its maintenance and planned replacement ...
    4. amber-50
      amber-50 5 May 2014 16: 42
      +5
      It’s not a matter of who is sitting on what. I also buy gas in a cylinder. By the way, it’s much more expensive with us than in Ukraine. But that doesn’t mean that I’ll come to gorgaz, I’ll say give me a couple of cylinders on loan and they will give them to me. There are normal market laws (goods-money-goods) for example. Respectively you do not pay, you do not receive the goods.
    5. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 5 May 2014 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: nikcris
      In Russia, the regions producing gas are sitting on wood with coal

      Our region is in the top three for gasification. There was a good governor (from the Communists), I tried for the people, we were lucky in this sense. Draw conclusions.
  14. ale-x
    ale-x 5 May 2014 14: 37
    +15
    "The EU and the US must pay for their 'successes' - so dearly that there is no temptation to repeat them." I am for!!!
  15. industries_88
    industries_88 5 May 2014 14: 38
    +1
    Quote: Gagarin
    It would not seem DEPROMATIC, but if tomorrow you cut off the gas altogether, the junta will fly off to the scrap in a week, and Europe will stand in the Kremlin asking for negotiations ...
    AND IN UKRAINE WILL STOP KILLING RUSSIANS.


    That's really true ... I immediately remember "To save Russia, you need to burn Moscow" Kutuzov MI
    Although, we’ll still remain bad.
  16. johnsnz
    johnsnz 5 May 2014 14: 39
    +26
    If in Ukraine hands were chopped off for theft, then in the Verkhovna Rada instead of buttons for voting there would be pedals.
    1. comprochikos
      comprochikos 5 May 2014 15: 39
      +12
      We would have enough disabled people too laughing
    2. smile
      smile 5 May 2014 16: 08
      +6
      johnsnz
      In my opinion, they can also kick with their feet without any difficulty. not that push buttons, such are the virtuosos of their craft ... baboons will envy :)))
      1. johnsnz
        johnsnz 5 May 2014 17: 14
        +5
        A series:
        Sitting on the edge of Putin with Medvedev. Frying Yushchenko. Medvedev: "Volodya, eat hunting, can you spin the spit quickly?" Putin: "I can't, !!! I twist slowly, he is building coal !!!!"
  17. Children BuryKonya
    Children BuryKonya 5 May 2014 14: 42
    +5
    Yushchenko took a very active part in the negotiations

    I remember how he amused everyone: "I am not involved in smelly gas schemes."
  18. shurup
    shurup 5 May 2014 14: 43
    +8
    And eat the fish and sit on the pipe. The patience of the Kremlin surprises me.
    But how much the rope does not curl, and you put yourselves in the loop.
    The question is, who will hang out in this loop? It is clear that not the characters of Ukrainian elite breeds given in the article, but ordinary citizens. Hence the patience. And Europe Ukraine does not care.
  19. PRN
    PRN 5 May 2014 14: 45
    +8
    The West just wants to realize the words of Vanga - “By 2016, Europe will be empty, it will become cold!”
    1. wolf7
      wolf7 5 May 2014 15: 18
      +2
      Yeah, we get warm under Magadan, if we allow
      1. comprochikos
        comprochikos 5 May 2014 15: 42
        +2
        In the south of France, Spain, Italy, ..... there will be overpopulation.
  20. mig31
    mig31 5 May 2014 14: 47
    +8
    General FROZ will put everything in its place ....
    1. jjj
      jjj 5 May 2014 15: 24
      +4
      This is Russia's unsurpassed and humane climate weapon.
  21. paul72
    paul72 5 May 2014 14: 47
    +6
    Azarov, to put it mildly, was engaged in manipulations

    This Azarov said a lot of things at one time to Russia.
    But he himself is Russian, from Kaluga.
    I thought I would sit in Austria, in an honestly earned estate.
    1. jjj
      jjj 5 May 2014 15: 25
      +3
      Quote: paul72
      Thought in Austria to sit out in an honestly earned estate

      Everything will be taken away as illegally acquired
    2. gandalf
      gandalf 5 May 2014 20: 32
      0
      I thought I would sit in Austria, in an honestly earned estate.

      In-in ... there and sit. Only the estate will be small, there will be no more 20 squares, and a window into the box. wink
  22. Strashila
    Strashila 5 May 2014 14: 47
    +11
    The West is tired of the greed and unpredictability of the Ukrainian authorities.
    The West recalls with nostalgia the USSR, how ideological opponents did not sway, but no one blackmailed the stability of hydrocarbon supplies.
    And here the country has rolled down to the level of Africa ... trying to bull, who will like it.
    The Nord Stream was the first bell ... and the South would be the funeral.
    There is no intermediary ... no problems, direct deliveries to the consumer.
    So the USA finally decided ... namely, these cannibals, to play the last card.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 5 May 2014 15: 52
      +6
      Quote: Strashila
      and the South would have become funeral

      Southern in half a year will be ready. Soon, some of them are blown up with green bubbles from all the cracks. Because today and kipish on gas.
  23. yushch
    yushch 5 May 2014 14: 49
    +4
    So this must be declared publicly. We have been subsidizing Ukraine for so many years and are silent !!! This is called negligence bordering on betrayal. Why, when these clowns claimed that they pay for gas more than in Europe, we did not refute this and did not call a spade a spade ??
    1. smile
      smile 5 May 2014 16: 11
      +6
      yushch
      Yes refuted. more than once, they simply did not make hysteria out of it, did not set their people against the Ukrainians. Well, we didn’t have such a task - to develop Ukrainophobia. :)))
  24. awg75
    awg75 5 May 2014 14: 49
    +5
    Russia has nowhere to retreat - if we retreat now tomorrow, all europind @ sy will hang on our neck and hang our legs. it is necessary to chop off gas and Ukraine point. go on the principle: do not pay - get a muzzle. Of course, dill will block the pipe, of course a pan-European-American howl will rise, but I think we will survive it. they will still fight among themselves in Europe for the gas that passes by Ukraine. and then they will quickly teach Ukraine the mind of the mind, very quickly teach. UNCLE VOVA TURN OFF THE GAS DROP !!!
  25. Yellow white
    Yellow white 5 May 2014 14: 50
    +4
    The patience of my friends, only patience, everyone still comes around and responds to what times we live, before our eyes, history is happening, it’s a pity that without blood there is no way ...
    SchA, we’ll lace up the second ...
  26. Prutkov
    Prutkov 5 May 2014 14: 50
    +6
    In addition, the US and the EU should impose sanctions against Ukraine, as Kiev junta did not fulfill the requirements of the Geneva Agreement. And Russia already now may demand that the signatories of this agreement fulfill it in full.
    1. johnsnz
      johnsnz 5 May 2014 15: 17
      +5
      Especially with this opinion:
      Jeffrey Payette: I was impressed with how actively Ukraine is trying to fulfill what was agreed in Geneva. Unfortunately, we do not see any action on the part of Russia. None. And, as a result, the crisis in the eastern regions is deepening.
  27. Petrov K.
    Petrov K. 5 May 2014 14: 52
    +2
    Good article!
    Thank you, everything is sorted from A to Z.
  28. Victor1
    Victor1 5 May 2014 14: 54
    +8
    I don’t understand one thing, what the hell for our domestic market, for our Russian citizens we have such expensive gas? we are told that it is cheaper than in the west, but in the west, salaries are much higher and gas consumption is lower since it’s not so cold in winter .. And at the same time, almost every year gas rises in price and this year it rises in price by 10% pid * races in the government are generally overgrown, they pull all the juices out of the people ..
    1. mashine
      mashine 5 May 2014 15: 02
      +4
      I heat the house with gas. 2 large rooms and even small things - a kitchen, a sanitary unit. From November to January it turned out about 3200. And then from February to March 1600. It turned out 4800 for 5 cold months. At 960 rubles per month. Is that a lot? If there is anything to appeal, give the numbers.
      1. Victor1
        Victor1 5 May 2014 16: 17
        +3
        figures depend on different conditions and factors ..
        if you have a small house with 2 rooms and a modern heating system, this does not mean that everyone has the same ..
        The price of gas at ~ $ 130 for the domestic market is too much, given that they still promise a 10% price increase.
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 5 May 2014 15: 05
      +3
      WTO, garbage. Subscribed to bring to the global average. request
    3. amber-50
      amber-50 5 May 2014 17: 15
      +3
      Yes, even in our regions, gas prices are very different. I buy gas only for the kitchen (Primorye), and somewhere they heat it up. And therefore I am simply enraged by the statements of the so-called "politicians-economists" in Ukraine about unhuman gas prices . First of all, they are not humane for Russia for their people.
  29. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 5 May 2014 14: 56
    +6
    The conclusion is unequivocal ... Ukraine must pay for gas at a world price (I do not see and did not see any reason for discounts and concessions) ... the West (if it is interested) must solve the problems of reliable delivery of its volumes through Ukraine.
    And the tougher our position will be ... the less all participants in the process will have delusions / illusions.
  30. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 5 May 2014 14: 56
    +6
    I think for each "sanction" against Russia, it is necessary to send, as a sign of "gratitude", "hello" in the form of retaliatory sanctions from Russia, with even more "warm wishes".
  31. olegkrava
    olegkrava 5 May 2014 15: 00
    +7
    Not when you do not borrow a relative, and you will not be in de-rme.
  32. Styx
    Styx 5 May 2014 15: 02
    +12
    In the east, people are defending themselves from the National Guard - Putin is to blame.
    Demonstrators were burned in Odessa - Putin is to blame.
    In Transnistria, dissatisfied with Moldova - Putin is to blame.
    Remember the Tatar-Mongol yoke? - he too))))))

    not mine, but at least a bit of humor in a sea of ​​sorrow
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 5 May 2014 16: 33
      +4
      Quote: Styx
      In the east, people are defending themselves from the National Guard - Putin is to blame.
      Demonstrators were burned in Odessa - Putin is to blame.
      In Transnistria, dissatisfied with Moldova - Putin is to blame.
      Remember the Tatar-Mongol yoke? - he too))))))

      not mine, but at least a bit of humor in a sea of ​​sorrow


      Yes, many Ukrainians are used to blaming Russia and Putin personally for everything. But now, some are already starting to look differently.

      "And PUTIN is" to blame "again for everything,
      since the "creation" of the Maidan,
      but know everything, sooner or later,
      we will still find the truth.
      After all, forty million of us in the country
      and he rules us, a European uncle,
      and the feeling that the states and the native american
      an example for us ... and we are all on the sidelines ...
      All souls in reservations rot
      "Freedom of speech" ... quit, don't tell
      and where is the moral ... why are you all “sleeping”
      when they torture us ... they beat us painfully.
      To cheek ... maybe so
      then why scream all about freedom
      and even in my own "garden" ...
      put things in order, not everyone. Mastak.
      But PUTIN is “to blame” ... and who else,
      still found a goat, we are scapegoats ...
      YOURSELF ENEMIES ... and we have no forgiveness,
      we are not brothers ... but just a raven ...

      Author lyudmila shcherblyuk

      From the site http://www.inpearls.ru/
    2. gandalf
      gandalf 5 May 2014 20: 39
      0

      Chapel = Ukraine ... wink
  33. Palych9999
    Palych9999 5 May 2014 15: 09
    +6
    It's time to learn that all sorts of "clever" gas price schemes have brought Gazprom to Zugunder as well.
    It is necessary to trade without regard to the political customer loyalty.
    The price is the price, do not like it - take where they will give it.
    They said that the price of gas for private households in Russia is higher than in the huts of the "Slavic neighbors".
  34. Alexey M
    Alexey M 5 May 2014 15: 12
    +4
    Quote: Victor1
    I don’t understand one thing, what the hell for our domestic market, for our Russian citizens we have such expensive gas? we are told that it is cheaper than in the west, but in the west, salaries are much higher and gas consumption is lower since it’s not so cold in winter .. And at the same time, almost every year gas rises in price and this year it rises in price by 10% pid * races in the government are generally overgrown, they pull all the juices out of the people ..

    For a boiler room in the city, gas costs less than 5000 r per 1000 cu. Khokhlam was sold for about 250 bucks, that is, about 6000 r. For a private trader, I think the rate is lower. I pay monthly about 2000 r for heating in an apartment. So it turns out that we do not have big prices, us salaries are small.
    But in general I agree pi.dor.asy !!!!
  35. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 5 May 2014 15: 13
    +2
    in short, Ukraine is a "gas leech" on the body of Russia! want to join the EU - and pay for gas like the EU! 500 bucks no less! and even give discounts and give a freebie and give a loan, but we will not pay the debt!
  36. Papania
    Papania 5 May 2014 15: 14
    +1
    Thanks for chewing.
    Still, our rulers would stand and not be led, as always, on the promises and threats of the states and fascists ....
    QUESTION - What in Russia, all settlements are gasified. When we pay attention to our people .............
  37. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 5 May 2014 15: 17
    +2
    let them pay like everyone else or go to the woods for firewood ... and you can drown the same dung ....
    1. smile
      smile 5 May 2014 16: 17
      +4
      DanSabaka
      Hello colleague on the profile picture and site! :)))
      So the misfortune is that the dung there too will soon become a deficit - agriculture has gone down - nothing has been sown, there will be no feed, there is no money anymore - they will cut the cattle ... so that the dung will not be there .... the Holodomor bandarlogs , and in comparison with it, problems with gas will seem nonsense ....
  38. nikcris
    nikcris 5 May 2014 15: 17
    +2
    Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
    And gas is more expensive than in Ukraine where it is.

    Gas in Ukraine is many times cheaper than in Russia. Point am
    For cattle, of course, to whom we belong.
    They raised the cost by 50%, but it still remained ridiculous compared to Russia.
    1. smile
      smile 5 May 2014 16: 20
      +3
      nikcris
      At the same time, compare their salaries and pensions with ours and think a little, you are our whistleblower, classing yourself as a cattle ... :))) By the way, your right to call yourself cattle is, in the end, you know better, but you shouldn’t rank us all agreed? :)))
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 5 May 2014 16: 32
        0
        Oh! I'll pay right now!
        You also keep in mind that the word spoken is not always pronounced.
        Poke around what I have said.
        In principle - to me FSUs.
        1. smile
          smile 5 May 2014 17: 10
          +1
          nikcris
          "Don't cry, girl - the rains will pass ...." :))) ... Just in case, this is just a quote .... :)))
          And I’m not going to poke around in what you have expressed ... I’m not a laboratory assistant at a medical institution and I don’t usually pick at THIS ... :)))
          And to the representatives of the tribe of these .... whom you mentioned - with the letter "by" - really, usually all the FSUs ... well. what to take with them, ruminants .... :))) Congratulations .... :)))
  39. made13
    made13 5 May 2014 15: 19
    +2
    It is a pity that during the gas war between the capitalists, ordinary people shed blood. And worst of all - these victims are useless - people will use them as tools and throw them away as unnecessary. We are accustomed to working with our heads - instead of thinking and doing hawlochvachka ...
  40. mamont5
    mamont5 5 May 2014 15: 19
    +3
    In short, Ukrainians were beggars and thieves, but became beggars and killers. Degradation is evident. Soon they will not need gas. At the hearth or bonfire they will warm up, most importantly, so as not to forget how to get fire without matches and gas lighters.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 5 May 2014 15: 24
      +1
      They kind of hoped to say that they would manage without Russian gas. I’m doing without him. But I have oak firewood - smell - ummmm))))
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 5 May 2014 15: 54
        +3
        Quote: nikcris
        They kind of hoped to say that they would manage without Russian gas. I’m doing without him. But I have oak firewood - smell - ummmm))))


        So they first hoped for amers, tk. The staff members generously give out promises to everyone that they will soon flood the whole of Europe with cheap gas, but they do not say how and when. And secondly, they wanted to pump our gas from Slovakia in a cunning way (reverse). It seems that when Russian gas passes through the Slovaks, it is purified and becomes already harmless to the Ukrainian people and they can use it fearlessly ... and for free. Here the Slovaks did not like the "free" and they quietly but firmly said: "But fuck you!"
      2. Zeus
        Zeus 6 May 2014 02: 06
        0
        Nevermind, to bake an oak stove. But what, birch today in your area is not in fashion?)
    2. smile
      smile 5 May 2014 16: 25
      +4
      mamont5
      Please, choose expressions, do not play along with the banderlog, trying to embroil the Russian people with the Ukrainian part of the Russian people. Probably, one should take into account the difference between the Ukrainian political "elite" together with the Bandera and duped Barrans, on the one hand, and the Ukrainian majority, on the other.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 5 May 2014 16: 29
        +2
        Quote: smile
        Please choose expressions, do not play along with banderlogs trying to quarrel the Russian people with the Ukrainian part of the Russian people.

        For this one offer 5 + !!!
        Greetings to all, including you, Vladimir hi
        1. smile
          smile 5 May 2014 17: 04
          +1
          Apollo
          Hello Apollon. I am glad to see your letters ... especially when you praise me, and do not swear at me for bad words. :)))
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 5 May 2014 17: 55
            +2
            Quote: smile
            Glad to see your letters ... especially when you praise me

            Thank you. Nice to see in your address repeat
            Quote: smile
            but don’t swear at me for bad words.

            Well, I’m also forbidden to swear. Both by status and by the rules of VO. That is doubly.
            But having to call for order is life. Everything is possible in life. laughing
  41. Luga
    Luga 5 May 2014 15: 24
    +2
    For a long, long time warned, is it really finally disconnected? I have been waiting for this for a long time, I just dream.
    Disable, and enable only after all the Nazis are in the cells. And upload the first barrels to these cameras. am

    But seriously, there is nothing to say. The one who kills Russians is an enemy of the Russians, which means Russia. The government of Ukraine kills Russians, therefore it is an enemy of Russia. Actions against the enemy must be hostile. Everything that is beneficial to the enemy of Russia is disadvantageous to Russia itself.
    If the Ukrainian government is profitable to receive free gas, then this gas must be deprived of it. That's all, the usual formal logic, the textbook of Kirillov and Starchenko, if I remember correctly.
    1. Waroc
      Waroc 5 May 2014 16: 44
      +1
      Disable - they will not be disconnected, but transferred to a prepayment for Ukraine. Gas for Europe will still be pumped into the Ukrainian GTS, this is what the "ancient Euro-Ukrainian" will steal, and since they are a transit country and receive money for it, they will have to answer to the Eurogees for the fact that they, gays, are freezing)) )
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      2. Energy
        Energy 5 May 2014 18: 28
        +1
        after non-fulfillment of the conditions for prepayment for gas, our neighbors will return to their glorious past.
  42. Pacifist
    Pacifist 5 May 2014 15: 24
    +3
    Once again he was neighing over the spotlights from Kiev and the EU ... only sobering up in the EU will come very quickly ... after the pressure in the highway is reduced ... from now on we will start counting the hours until the EU offers us, take this fucking mess in an independent and put things in order there.
  43. zollstab
    zollstab 5 May 2014 15: 25
    0
    Signature collection by a sub-petition to the UN Security Council on the deployment of Russian peacekeeping forces in the South-East of Ukraine:

    http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v


    oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? cFvvvhb
    Quote: zanoza
    zanoza RU Today, 15:07 ↑


    . Let's collect 500,000 signatures
  44. pts-m
    pts-m 5 May 2014 15: 27
    +1
    Yes, what is there to pull. Our Russian government only promises to put things in order on the gas market and all this is on paper. Sir, it's time for managers to go from words to CASE! Or they believe that Russian consumers are condensing everything by increasing gas prices inside Russia.
  45. SS68SS
    SS68SS 5 May 2014 15: 27
    +1
    .... In practice, we sponsored and are sponsoring a regime hostile to Russia ....


    Sooner or later, this mode will be suppressed. I think we just (encore) clap our hands. That's just ordinary people feel sorry. They are only to blame for the fact that little depends on them ....
  46. kvnvolga2008
    kvnvolga2008 5 May 2014 15: 34
    +3
    Money in the morning, gas in the evening!
  47. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 5 May 2014 15: 37
    0
    take where they will
    so the joke is that taking something more and nowhere in fact! If the pipe is blocked and even winter succeeds, they themselves will die out like bugs! America is far away and needs gas
  48. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 5 May 2014 15: 37
    +2
    I wonder with this dance with prices, are there any debts at the top of their "Firtash"?
  49. Sypress
    Sypress 5 May 2014 15: 40
    +2
    How Odessites were killed. Not to look nervous. Distribute as much as possible, everyone should know:

    http://frallik.livejournal.com/781599.html

    ub. bastards must answer, everything must be done for this!
  50. pensioner
    pensioner 5 May 2014 15: 43
    +2
    Quote: SS68SS
    The EU and the US must pay for their "successes" - so much so that there is no temptation to repeat them.

    From tsilo! yes