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Refugees from Kiev. About Russia, Ukraine and hope for the future

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Refugees from Kiev. About Russia, Ukraine and hope for the future

“Do not crush the fascias in Russia now, years through 10, you will regret it bitterly! And then either accept the rules of their game, or run away from the country, ”says the family of refugees from Kiev. We present on the pages of "Reedus" an interview with refugees from Ukraine, taken in a train compartment. Both interlocutors asked not to disclose their names - they still hope to return to their homeland.


Maria and Igor got off the Volgograd-St. Petersburg train in Moscow at three in the morning. Mother and son had no idea where they were going. For the past six months, they have crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border.

They still have the same legal time in Russia, and then either become illegal migrants, with all the ensuing consequences, or return to their homeland, which in an instant turned into a stepmother for an employee of the Kiev social service and an environmental engineer. Even before the Kursk railway station went down to the platform, Maria and Igor were on the tape recorder, but on the condition that they did not mention their real names and surnames, as well as the request to “zadvadrat” their faces, told Reedus history.

- Understand, we still have friends and relatives in Kiev, in Chernihiv region - also, there is an apartment there, I don’t want the current Ukrainian authorities to see this interview on the Internet. Really - they should be afraid. This is a real junta, says Igor.

For a journalist, it’s not quite pleasant to write about anonymous characters. This is a sign of lack of professionalism. What was the norm in the 90's press is not welcome now. However, what is happening in Ukraine is exactly the very 90. But, looking ahead, we note that the coordinates of the family, which will be discussed in the article, are in the editorial office. If anyone takes to help them, as they say, welcome.

“We are not Kyiv residents ourselves,” Maria says. - We are from the city of Priluki, Chernihiv region. My son, after graduating from school, went to Kiev, entered the University of Construction and Architecture, I moved after him. It’s just that the salary that was in Chernihiv region was not realistic to teach my son, and I went to the capital, where there is more money and money.

Maria says that she is a pure Ukrainian, but Igor’s father is Russian. So he, you can say half-breed, if this term, of course, applies to one essentially people - Russian and Ukrainians. No one even noticed how and when the section “by blood” occurred, when one nation hated itself. We do not take here the fictions of Ukrainian fomenok and theories about ancient ukrakh, which appeared, according to modern Ukrainian history textbooks, almost to dinosaurs.

“And when did all this Russophobic hysteria and other“ dregs ”begin?” We ask Maria.

- Bleak? This turbidity began after the first Maidan. After the orange revolution of the year 2004 ... And so everything developed gradually. At first there was the first president Kravchuk, the separation was gone, the boundaries appeared, the history slowly began to correspond with what was needed. Indeed, devils wrote in the textbooks. Igorek was in the fifth grade when he was asked to teach a nursery rhyme, about Serko's dog, which is awake and expects that “curse Muscovites” will come to steal. That was the beginning. The year is probably 93.

Since then, according to Maria, the war for the Russian language has been constantly going on. As soon as the elections approached, the question of the Russian language became a bargaining chip. But gradually, the Russian language disappeared from the school curriculum, and everyone came to teaching Russian - no more than an hour a week.

- Russian schools gradually disappeared, becoming purely Ukrainian gymnasiums. New heroes have appeared, such as Bandera and Shukhevych, Maria continues. - In 2004, the section became clear - on those who were behind that Ukraine, ideas about which were implanted from the beginning of 90's, and on those who, say, adhered to traditional views on history, on the political situation. What happened next? For example, in our small town, in Priluki, in August last year, the Jewish cemetery was completely destroyed. In November, people came to Kiev from Western Ukraine, or, as they say now: supporters of European integration gathered, and the people of Kiev accepted them. Began Maidan. But no one even remembers Antimaydan. Not a single TV channel showed Antimaydan.

- So, after all, “titushki”, they brought from the regions, many came for money ...

- Let me, from the other side, not for money, not “titushki” - vice versa ?! Both from the one and the other side there were people “for money”. But, excuse me, many were for the idea, - Maria was outraged a little ...

Then Igor joins the conversation.

“There was practically no information about this anywhere in the press, but at that time a big procession took place in Kiev,” says Igor. There, according to some estimates, there were thousands three hundred. And it was the Orthodox, who protested against the accession to the European Union, which, according to the believers, would have led to rampant sodomy and homosexuality ...

- When the understanding began to come that to live in Kiev, let's say, is not comfortable.

- Around the end of the past - the beginning of this year, - says Maria. - When tires began to burn, barricades appeared ...

“Personally, I began to feel uncomfortable during the events on Bankovskaya Street, when there were fights with the police, clashes with Berkut,” Igor recalls. - And when there was no reaction of the authorities. Here it became really scary, because it was clear: there is no power, there is no law enforcement. At first there was no understanding. Well, Maidan and Maidan, well, protest, maybe even for the cause. But when it all began for real, so to speak, direct action .... Permissiveness, impunity, when police officers could not protect themselves.

- Igor, did you go to Maidan yourself?

- Not. There was also a Bandera den, a three-meter-long portrait of Stepan Bandera was standing ...

- So what is the point? You have been inspired since childhood, it must be that he is a hero ... In general, Ukrainians now tell us Russians that we are victims of propaganda, that there was no fascism during the so-called Maidan on Maidan. It seemed to us, TV presenter Dmitry Kiselyov was brainwashed. As an eyewitness, as a resident of Kiev at that time, what can you say about this - was there fascism, was there Bandera?

“It was,” Igor says confidently. - I now tell you some teznno say: where did the red and black flag come from? This is the flag of Ukrainian nationalists. What is the UPA? What is SS Galicia? Waffen SS? - the names that constantly sounded among those who stood on the Maidan? And the red and black bandages on the sleeves of maydanschikov? And "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes!"? This is Bandera slogan! They don’t like to talk about it openly in Ukraine now, but this slogan has a sequel. It completely sounds like this: "Glory to Ukraine, heroes of glory, glory of the nation, death to the enemies!" ...

- January 1 in Kiev was a procession in honor of the birthday of Stepan Bandera, - continues Maria. - A huge crowd was walking along Khreshchatyk! There were pogroms, they went and smashed shops, various places, they smashed the Premier Palace Hotel.

“Moreover, the children of the nationalists also took part in the march,” says Igor. - Kids, years old 4-5 - they threw a Russian flag under their feet, and they trampled it. There was a traditional “Moskal on knives!”, “Commies on Gilyak!” And the like. But this did not appear with the Maidan! In June or July last year, in Lviv, they (Bandera, - ed.) Reburied the warriors of the SS division Galicia, with honors, being dressed in fascist uniforms. On the Internet there is ...

- Are they renaming the streets ?! - exclaims Maria. - We already here, in Russia, saw the names of the streets - Lenin, Karl Marx, for us it was already wild, we lost the habit! Oh, no, not here we saw these names for the first time, for the first time we saw everything in Ukraine in the Donetsk region. We were shocked. We were generally surprised at how people, miners live in the southeastern regions. Poorly, in the houses of unsightly. We in the center of Ukraine do not have this. But they plow, it’s hard to live very much. But with their opinion is not considered the current Ukrainian government.

- Tell me, here in Russia, we think, or maybe we were inspired by regular TV propagandists that in Kiev some militant citizens can approach a person on the street and test him for knowledge of the hymn. This is true? The fact is that we here in Russia far from all know the national anthem, and out of habit we sing the old Soviet anthem, but no one cleans up our faces for us, but as they say, those who “wash our brains”, in Kiev, for ignorance The anthem of Ukraine can be seriously cut off. It's true?

- It's true! This is not propaganda! I don’t know a hymn, honestly, - admits Maria. But I was not examined by patrols of maydanschikov on the street, but Igor ...

Then Igor says:
- They came up to me on the street and said, looking in the eyes, really examining: “Glory to Ukraine!”. But I said nothing. I say to them: “Guys, politics by politics, but what are we to share with you?”. And at the very heart: “What the hell ?! It is not difficult for me to say the continuation of this slogan, but evil takes it - why did you come here from the West of Ukraine, do not understand who, and believe that you can easily walk up on the street and test certain knowledge of people ?! ” The reaction was such from their side: "Ahhh, yes you are Moskal ....". And it was not anywhere in the center of Kiev, near Maidan, an incident happened to me in general in the Desnyansky district, in the so-called Forest area. Outskirts, sleeping area. And even there they went in droves, with weapons...

“But you could have renounced some kind of inner principles in order to protect yourself somehow.” Answer to “Glory to Ukraine!” - “Heroes of Glory!” - is it difficult?

- Why should I do this? Today I will have to sacrifice one principle, tomorrow another ... My grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought. And they fought in the Red Army. I cannot say glory to some of their “heroes” ...

- Maria, you somehow didn’t bring up Igor in a “untrue way” in Ukrainian ...

- Igor captured his grandfather, the colonel, who really fought, and told him a lot. And then ... He read the correct books in his childhood. So Igor could not shout "Glory!" Hell, he knows what kind of "heroes" ... But Kiev was given to all the "heroes of Maidan," Maria continues. - They walked in crowds, wreaked havoc and confusion. Kiev is like a stop! People began to hide, it was scary to go to the store in the evening. This crowd is coming, and you do not know what to expect from it. In February, they attacked the office of our state institution - this is the Kiev center of social services. They threw bottles on the first floor of a two-story building with Molotva Cocktail, there was a fire. They climbed to the second floor, stole computers, bombed a safe with documentation and workbooks, turned everything upside down, painted the walls with slogans “Glory to Ukraine!” And left. The alarm worked, but no one arrived. In Kiev, there was anarchy. The president betrayed his people, the ministers betrayed, the law-enforcers hid. We were given to the mercy. Our neighbor has settled ten maydanovtsev. But all the neighbors know about each other, who thinks what they say behind the wall. There was no secret about our rejection of this revolution, about our, for the most part, pro-Russian disposition, we were specifically called Muscovites. And those guests from the Maidan constantly burst into our door, shouting, they wanted to talk ...

“I didn’t have a weapon; I couldn’t protect myself or my mother.” “We were quieter than water below the grass,” says Igor already.

- There was another case at the end of January, when the Gifts of the Magi were brought to Kiev. I went to kiss the Gifts at the Lavra, - says Igor. - I get out of the subway along with others, and along the way, I see, they stand, as I call them “maydanutye”. At that time, thank God, they did not stop anyone, but they accompanied everyone with remarks: “What, are you going to bow to the Moscow priests?”

By the way, lately we tried to leave the house less and walk the streets, - continues Igor. - I even have a written order from my superiors about the transfer to home-based work. I was engaged in environmental engineering, in other words, I designed wastewater treatment plants. Do not believe it, but on the streets of Kiev it became not so crowded, even children were less on the grounds, and it was already warm, the spring began ...

- You, citizens of Ukraine, Ukrainians, were hiding?

- Yes, they were forced. Zapadentsy there rule the ball ... - People called on one of the local TV channels, asked why it is so, what kind of crowd go around Kiev? Journalists responded: “This is now local government. This is the self-defense of the Maidan, these are the locals, do not worry. They are for order. While temporarily will be so .... Then they began to say, they say, these units are walking around, revealing "aunts", that is, provocateurs acting on the side of the ousted President Yanukovich. How they identified these “titushki”, as they were distinguished from others - we still do not understand ...

“Hatred of Russia was not born yesterday,” Maria returns to the beginning of the conversation. “Even before Maidan, they were imposed through the press for several years in a row:“ Ukraine is not Russia, ”“ Russia is the aggressor, ”“ They are dictators, they want to have everything. ” For the last couple of years, it has been hammered into my head insistently. Then it became clear that the Ukrainians had to make a choice - in the EU. Bandera apparently came from the West, when the Customs Union began to be outlined. It just torn them apart! “There can be no friendship with Russia! Russia aggressor! Russia is the enemy! ”, They were digging and digging around.

- “Russia has imperial ambitions!”, “Empire, empire!”, - well, the media simply repeated with maniacal persistence, and various speakers, - this is already told by Igor. “I, and probably not only me, asked the question:“ What are the imperial ambitions of Russia? ”,“ What do they manifest? ”, It was not clear.

“True, it didn’t start yesterday when I was in college, for example, when I took the exam, pulled out a ticket, there’s a question in Ukrainian. And if I answer in Russian, I could have been given a "bad", says Igor.

- According to your observations from the inside, so to speak, of the country, did you manage to wash the brains of Ukrainian citizens with anti-Russian rhetoric during this time?

- Yes strong. Thorough! Ukrainian media have done their work. Goebbels would envy. Consciousness of many managed to change completely. To such an extent that even purely Russian, with Russian roots, former Russian citizens and they now blame only Russia for all the troubles of Ukraine! We sometimes communicate on Skype with acquaintances, they say that we are stupid, we don’t understand anything, we believed the Muscovites who chop off the Crimea, and now they are trying to take the Donbass ’... We say that people have made a choice. But no, they do not understand, they call us fools. But before the separation was visible. My mother's sister, my aunt, from Lviv came to visit us, and when they could have a little argument, the Lviv aunt shouted at us: "You are skhidnyaki, you are oriental, you are morons." Why are we Eastern, why are we morons? And the aunt itself comes from here, from Chernihiv region. From the center. But no, she counted herself as a “titular nation.” Here you have an indicator of how people's brains washed out in the west of Ukraine. This is not nationalism, is it not fascism?

- And where did the “Putin slaves”, “quilted jackets”, “Russian drunk consuming glassworms” come from? Is this at all true? Not Kiselevskaya propaganda? Do Ukrainians really think so?

- True! The result of brainwashing, says Igor. - Indeed, the opinion of many that Russian is a drunken man, Russia is a village with crooked huts. Lack of freedom of speech. Wild totalitarianism. Such amazing stamps that have always been used in the Western world about drunken Cossacks eating babies and raping respectable ladies. And Ukraine believed it in record time! Fortunately, not all of Ukraine believed it, but the propaganda machine works further, and those who doubted earlier may now have no doubt about it ...

- Or maybe it was necessary to accept everything as it is, to believe in the bloodthirsty Muscovites, to accept the official ideology and live peacefully in their own country, without losing anything in this life? After all, even many Russians adapted themselves, if only the priest was warm ...

- Sorry, your question is offended. The answer will be short - no, this is impossible for our family. Maybe we really scoops, Muscovites, but anyone, says Maria.

“I can't, I want to remember my grandfathers on 9, I want everyone to appreciate it and not forget it,” says Igor. One of my grandfathers fought; the second, great-grandfather, mother’s grandfather, died in a Nazi concentration camp. And I do not want to watch the marching fascists on the streets of the cities of Ukraine. By the way, do not blame me for wanting to teach Russians how to live, but as you read your press, blogs, media and social networks, I see that here too there are many such manifestations. I want to tell you, Russians - if you don’t crush your Fashes right now, you will regret bitterly through 10. In Ukraine, too, everything began like this, on the sly, gradually, their antics were perceived as something exotic. Until they came and took power. Now you may not take them too seriously here, but if you do not strangle fascism in the bud, then it will be too late - either accept the rules of their game, or run out of the country.

- How do veterans of the Great Patriotic War feel in Kiev?

- They cry. My dad's acquaintance, an old grandfather who fought, took a portrait of Lenin and walked down the street, weeping. It was filmed by the media and shown with such mockery, - says Maria. - What can I say, if we put a monument to the victims of the Soviet occupation. You see, May 9 want to cancel in Ukraine. It becomes the "holiday of the occupiers." Have you heard that Kiev refused the honorary title of Hero City?

- How did the people perceive the withdrawal of the Crimea?

“It was taken hard,” says Igor. - The people say unequivocally: "Russia ottyapala Crimea, with the help of the troops." The referendum in the Crimea, in the minds of the Ukrainians, really took place at the point of the guns ...

- What do you think?

“We rested many times in the Crimea, in different years, but the sentiment of the fact that Crimeans are not Ukrainians, that Crimea is not Ukraine, that everything is alien to them in Ukraine is always felt there,” Maria already says. - They did not transfer Ukrainian power, everything was Russian in them. It hurt me, Ukrainian, sometimes, I could even be offended by the Crimeans. But Ukraine did nothing to make it different in the Crimea. Therefore, no preparation was necessary, the Crimea was ready for the accession of Russia. The events in Kiev simply detonated the situation. Now if there was such unity in Kiev as in the Crimea. If the people of Kiev came out and said to the Westerners: “Get the hell out of here!”, The fact that now in Ukraine would not have happened ...

- And nevertheless, when was that line crossed, when did you decide to leave the country?

- A vivid understanding of the need to leave appeared in mid-February, - says Igor. - But this was preceded by two events - I was beaten. Just, as I said, came up on the street, again, great: "Glory to Ukraine!", I was already annoyed by the answer: "Yes, you go ...!". I remember the first strike, the subsequent ones no longer. Fell, apparently fainted, and good. Because the rest did not feel.

The second is a mobilization announcement. Yes, I do not hide this, I did not want to fight with some imaginary "Putin fighters" with "separatists from the south-east." I saw that everything that the Ukrainian media are saying is propaganda. I speak English quite well - I read the Western press, which is essentially a tracing paper from the Ukrainian media. But I watched the media and Russian on the Internet. And not only officialdom, where there is also enough propaganda, but also opposition publications and saw that opinions are freely different, rallies take place, and very mass ones. “Landings”, if there is one, then single ones, and in Ukraine for the like now they don’t even simply plant, but they can kill. So in Russia there was more restraint and objectivity. And for all this time I have not believed in enemies from Russia. But I was liable for military service, since we had a military department at the university and we are all reserve lieutenants, and we must come to the military enlistment office without even receiving a summons, but in fact announcing mobilization. Let them think about me as much as they want both in Russia and in Ukraine, but I did not want to fight with anyone.

As a result, mother and son moved to the borders of Russia. Igor offered to run and his girlfriend, but she refused to take this step. In Ukraine, they left an apartment, some social benefits, but they exchanged all this for security. However, Mother Russia, as usual, is not always kind to her own children, let alone to the reception rooms and even more. Kievans, of course, no one here was waiting with open arms.

We left at the beginning of March, moving along the route Kharkiv-Belgorod-Rostov, by passing cars.

“In the south-east of Ukraine, such a clear resistance has not yet begun, they thought that it wouldn’t touch them much at all.” Otherwise, perhaps we would have stayed there, and I might have forgotten all of my pacifism. But it was still quiet there, - say Igor. “However, at that moment it was not all clear with the Crimea either. Now there is no way back, I’m surely listed as a deserter in Ukraine.” On the border, they can arrest me ...

The first city to shelter refugees was Taganrog.

- We arrived there in the evening, and went to the local administration. Employees of the city hall saw us, the first questions - who are you, what are you, etc. They were surprised that from Ukraine that they had fled from there, - says Maria. “First of all, the women fed us, from whom it was pulled up, who found half the bread, who had the jam. Refugees from Nikolayev, Donetsk, Lugansk… then pulled. At the same time, we were the first.

We settled first the refugees in the boarding school, then at the recreation center. All the time that they lived in the Rostov region, Maria and Igor wrote letters to various authorities, appealed to the migration service asking for refugee status. But they are not given this status. Local migration services refuse, and are sent to the FMS in Moscow. Nobody wants to take responsibility. Without status, without citizenship, of course, nobody takes them to work. They appealed to regions that participate in the State Program for the voluntary resettlement of compatriots from abroad. But there is no place. Neither places nor vacancies. As evidence, Igor shows on the laptop scans of requests to the administrations of the regions - participants of the State Program. Everywhere - failure. No places, vacancies and opportunities.

“You can of course live in Russia illegally, which, by the way, we have been hinted at, but we don’t want to,” says Maria. - Russia initially stated that it was ready to accept Ukrainian refugees, to help them with status, with simplified citizenship, but in fact there is nothing like that. Of course, we don’t want to blame someone for something, to conflict, with good intentions, and just ask - please help us, dear Russians. We would have temporary housing and work, then, God willing, everything will settle down and we will either return to Ukraine, or somehow solve the issue of selling housing in Chernihiv region and buying here. We love you, Russians, we did not give up on you even under the powerful Ukrainian pressure, carrying the label “Muscovites” that became disgraceful in Ukraine. But we have already heard from some here - they say, they have come, you want to have citizenship on the sly, you decide some kind of questions, the freebies wanted to. Yes, some officials even told us so. But we are not offended. People are different here and in Ukraine.

- Igor, if you were beaten in Kiev, you can seek asylum, with good reason ... Have you recorded a beating?

“The Golden Eagle was killed, burned and shot, and no one came to help them!” - Igor throws in hearts. “I didn’t even think about it at the time, I’m not going to seek asylum in Russia, otherwise I could have asked for help on Maidan,” Igor is already joking.

The family was forced out of the Rostov region by the fact that they were decided to be relocated from a regular home for the elderly and disabled people to a night stay home. Simply put, in a real bomzhatnik, where during the day the homeless wander through the streets and come to spend the night only in the doss house.

“And they offered us to live separately, mother was settled to the bomzhikhs, me - to the homeless,” says Igor. - Of course, it became somehow unpleasant, we refused. Scratching the bottom of the barrel somehow, scoring for tickets to Moscow, and went to look for help. As we were advised, by the ministries and public organizations.

With that, the mother and the son came to the platform of the Kursk railway station at three in the morning. If anyone has a desire to participate in their fate - their coordinates in the editorial.
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  1. mnbv199
    mnbv199 5 May 2014 08: 08
    +29
    The participants of our forum, I advise you to read the comments of ordinary citizens of Latvia about what is happening in Ukraine. Read not regret it

    http://ru.delfi.lt/news/politics/prezident-litvy-vyrazila-soboleznovanie-semyam-
    pogibshih-v-odesse.d? id = 64692989 & com = 1 & s = 1

    A couple of excerpts from the topic "The President of Lithuania expressed condolences to the families of those killed in Odessa"
    - Look, the killer expressed condolences to the relatives of the victims.
    Is she not ashamed to be involved in these killings?
    - It’s worthless to your condolences ... Do you think everyone forgot how you fled to Kiev? Your hands are in blood!
    - Dalia, you are a hypocrite, lying sv () lie. Sun your condolences to yourself in .... e.
    - in the photo what a pleased and curved physiognomy What condolences you express and to whom False After all, you wanted to do this and you incited people to kill each other. You turn it over and the hypocrite bother only about your ass. You have lowered your people and you think she sympathizes with someone
    - Dalia, you supported this, that means that the people of Lithuania are waiting for the same thing, the truth is being revealed slowly, how many more victims will have to be brought?
    - It would be better to say nothing, a lying instigator. I suppose the soul exults with joy ,,,
    - Something is not believed in the sincerity of her regrets. Tymoshenko, shaking hands with her, went back to Odessa to thank the Right Sector. Or maybe in Lithuania, as in Germany, there is a kind of Kanzler-Act where all presidents sign their loyalty to US policy?
    - Snake!
    1. Validator
      Validator 5 May 2014 08: 24
      +20
      Fascism in Ukraine must be completely and finally destroyed. Up to the western border. It is necessary to form a volunteer army, take control of the border from the DNI and block and disarm military units in eastern Ukraine. Maybe Yanek will help with his decree. And go to Kiev and Lviv. There are not so many right-wingers, several thousand. Yarosh supports 1,5 percent of everything. Now they are all combat-ready under Raisins. If this group is blocked and the junta is broken, it will fall in a few days and it will be possible to clean Ukraine from fascism under the flags of the DPR
      1. mnbv199
        mnbv199 5 May 2014 08: 40
        +5
        The site

        http://forum.dnestra.com/blog/Incidents/7549.html

        A detailed analysis of the tragedy in Odessa. It describes in great detail how people were killed, the picture is very creepy and scary, there are terrible photos
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 5 May 2014 09: 00
        +1
        I personally saw this brainwashing myself in Kiev, when I came there on vacation in the 90s, and they lived better than in Russia, so somehow I did not pay attention to Ukrainian obsession, but my Russian school was closed, and when the union was cool, two schools were near the Russian and Ukrainian, therefore, football was also developed in Ukraine, then Russia only had Renat Dasayev smile
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      4. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 5 May 2014 09: 25
        +7
        Just read the news, NATO already believes that Russia has sent troops! Can you imagine Rasmussen (his mother's legs) said: Russia behaves like an enemy! all her actions lead to an escalation of the conflict. If they continue this, we will be forced to build up troops and deploy missile defense in Estonia, ignoring the 1997 treaty, which prohibits the deployment of missile defense in the countries that have just joined NATO.

        Are they O.H.R.E.E.L.I.? This is a direct aggression against Russia !!!

        my opinion is like the commentary of a European who read this news: I didn’t understand something, several people from the right sector kill 40 people and Russia is blamed for this? wait, am I missing something?

        PySy. remember Krylov had a fable about a wolf and a lamb ?! Nato And Russia. with my comments. Here is an excerpt. They shoot in the Donbas, Russia is to blame.

        Yes, I remember that you are still in the summer before
        Here I was somehow rude:
        I haven’t forgotten that, buddy! ” -
        “Have mercy, I’m still not a year old”, -
        The lamb says. “So it was your brother.” -
        "I have no brothers." - “So this is kum il swat
        And, in a word, someone from your own family.
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 5 May 2014 09: 32
          +3
          Max_Bauder (1) KZ  Today, 09: 25 Just read the news, NATO already believes that Russia has sent troops!

          ,,, yes, they are just waiting for an occasion from Russia, and so they are already in my opinion ready to send their troops ,,,,

          [i] [i] Moscow, May 4 - AIF-Moscow. Italian Defense Minister Roberta Pinotti said that her country, if necessary, is ready to send peacekeepers to Ukraine in order to maintain stability [/ i [i]], the newspaper La Repubblica reports. [/ I]

          [i] The largest spring storm military exercise in Estonia’s recent history, in which about 6 of thousands of NATO troops will take part, will be held from 5 to 23 in May, the headquarters of the country's defense forces said. [/ i] [ / i]
          http://vz.ru/news/2014/5/5/685199.html
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      5. ren1999
        ren1999 5 May 2014 11: 06
        +6
        Yes of course. And our official bugs will continue to fatten.
        Where is the refugee help? In their shelters, in camps? Maybe before we rattle weapons, turn on the brain? After all, here, inside our Mother Russia, we betray the Ukrainian brothers, forcing us to hang out on the shelters. And with full-scale hostilities, the number of refugees can be in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. They need to be fed, equipped humanly, not forgetting to filter the Cossacks mishandled.
        Now imagine for a moment our official who even robs the janitor's Tajik. And here he has such a task - to place, feed and warm the refugees. If he does not steal, he will die, and people without rights will suffer.
        No, guys, before putting constitutional order anywhere, you need to tidy up your home.

        I suspect that you are rushing my post mercilessly, but I hope someone will think about it.
    2. maks-101
      maks-101 5 May 2014 08: 35
      +6
      fascists need to be wetted and the faster the better, Ukrainians are your country and your children are killing defenseless people, you applaud them, but when your children begin to bring coffins you will need to think about who to curse, and you will only need to curse yourself because you had to educate your children, and not the kov whom you raised. Death kam fascist.
    3. yulka2980
      yulka2980 5 May 2014 08: 58
      +1
      Thanks for the link, it was interesting to read!
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 5 May 2014 08: 59
      +5
      A neighboring article discussed why the Russian Federation does not send troops. From an interview with these Kievites, I definitely see the reason: Ukrainian media have done their job. Goebbels would envy. Consciousness of many managed to change completely. To such a degree that even purely Russian, with Russian roots, former Russian citizens, and they now blame only Russia for all the troubles of Ukraine! We sometimes communicate with friends on Skype, they say that we are stupid, we don’t understand anything, they believed the holes that "Chopped off the Crimea, and now they are trying to pick up the Donbass"

      What to say?! That is why not all Donetsk Luhansk has risen, but some activists of 200-300 people, in a half-million city. Until the consciousness comes to everyone that Russia is not an enemy but a liberator, a defender, the introduction of troops is fraught, they will say again: "Oh! They said that after the Crimea they will take the Donbas! Oooh! Aggressors !!!"
  2. Yellow white
    Yellow white 5 May 2014 08: 12
    +8
    Well this is necessary, such a country p.r.o.sr.r.a.t. ...
    Although I think it’s not too late to return at least part of it and you need to do it now, gangrene will climb further ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 May 2014 08: 22
      +18
      Quote: Black and White
      Well this is necessary, such a country p.r.o.sr.r.a.t. ...

      There was no country, there was an artificial formation, which is now falling to pieces.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 5 May 2014 08: 36
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        there was an artificial education

        Eurosomalia request
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 May 2014 08: 42
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Eurosomalia

          Yeah and a nigga headed.
      2. maks-101
        maks-101 5 May 2014 08: 42
        0

        There was no country, there was an artificial formation, which is now falling to pieces.
        and how many pieces will there be?
        1. rasputin17
          rasputin17 5 May 2014 09: 10
          +7
          Quote: maks-xnumx

          There was no country, there was an artificial formation, which is now falling to pieces.
          and how many pieces will there be?

          Well, about as much in the end!
          1. xbhxbr-777
            xbhxbr-777 5 May 2014 09: 47
            +1
            Even this can’t be left! Creatures will breed!
          2. 120352
            120352 5 May 2014 10: 46
            0
            rasputin17
            I think that this cyanotic "Rooster's Corner", after the bandero-fascists have moved there, should be abundantly treated with some fast-acting poison, but first, politely ask the villains who arrived there to dig a pit, 2 - 2,5 meters deep and go down into it. In short, to hit "Babi Yar on Babi Yar". They deserved it when they shot innocent people and buried the half-dead.
            For those who wish, you can organize "Khatyn entertainment", such as those that they spent in the villages where they burned old people, women, children during the Great Patriotic War and in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa in May this year. To do this, you can use the "Molotov cocktail" so beloved by him, but optional. At the request of customers, of course, for a fee, you can use flamethrowers. This execution must be entrusted to the representatives of the Bandera themselves. They love it: betraying and killing their own is the highest thrill for them! To do this, you need to select one of a hundred bandero-fascists, having previously mined each of them. The rest, so that they do not doubt the inevitability of good intentions, tie with barbed wire.
            The rags, torn off by Mazepa from the Swedish flag so that the Swedes would not shoot him and his gopota during the Battle of Poltava, which became a symbol of betrayal and the state flag of traitors, will henceforth be categorically banned, just like the Petliura trident and the unviable MOV invented by Panteleimon Kulish vernacular from which it was collected by the author, and obscene language. The word "Ukraine" will henceforth be used in its original sense, i.e. "outskirts" and write with the letter "O". This word should not express any other meaning, especially the idea of ​​statehood or autonomy. To the fooled Russians, whose renaming began in 1898 into Ukrainians in order to oppose the rest of the Russian people, to return the original ethnonym: Russians, Little Russians, Novorossians, which expresses not a different ethnicity, but the place of residence of the UNITED RUSSIAN PEOPLE, like the concepts "Petersburger", "Muscovite "," Novgorodian ", etc.
            To bring these ideas into the Constitution of the United Russian State.
      3. andj61
        andj61 5 May 2014 09: 41
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Black and White
        Well this is necessary, such a country p.r.o.sr.r.a.t. ...

        There was no country, there was an artificial formation, which is now falling to pieces.


        Guys, what kind of country are you talking about - Ukraine or the Union?
        And the impression is that the first is about the Union, and the second is about Ukraine. And this - as they say - "two big differences"!
      4. klaus16
        klaus16 5 May 2014 10: 05
        +3
        I agree. It was not a country. But the Ukrainian SSR is a great place! He himself lived there for 10 years. Subsidized well then, in the RSFSR it was worse. And now the "ocupants" are whining - fucking !!!
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      6. ren1999
        ren1999 5 May 2014 11: 20
        -1
        Right There was no Yugoslavia yet. Belarus. Kazakhstan. Estonia. Italy. Germany. Continue, gentlemen, connoisseurs of history?
        1. sv68
          sv68 5 May 2014 14: 10
          -1
          ren1999-and besides nonsense you can not give out any useful information?
          1. ren1999
            ren1999 5 May 2014 17: 20
            +1
            Really refute the facts? I will be grateful.
  3. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 5 May 2014 08: 15
    +15
    The real dregs began with the very idea of ​​a referendum in '91. Before that, they discussed where to put 18 million officials and party apparatchiks. They very quickly realized that they could save their seats only with the collapse of a single country. The result is obvious
  4. Barakuda
    Barakuda 5 May 2014 08: 16
    +5
    Yes, some nonsense, no one from Kiev is running. In the center there is only a mess, but otherwise all the way through, in the sleeping areas of the banderlogs you can’t see, as well as mentosaurs. Usual life. Unless hatred of the new government accumulates exponentially.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 5 May 2014 08: 43
      +3
      Quote: Barracuda
      Yes, some nonsense, no one from Kiev is running. In the center there is only a mess, but otherwise all the way through, in the sleeping areas of the banderlogs you can’t see, as well as mentosaurs. Usual life. Unless hatred of the new government accumulates exponentially.


      What you are observing is that for now. In your hometown in Kiev, even a borscht contest was turned into a Bandera campaign. So, it’s better to take care of stash in advance for any occasion.
    2. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 5 May 2014 09: 04
      +4
      and all the videos and photos on the Internet is a montage? Do people themselves slaughter themselves to death, burn and dismember themselves? and there is no fascism in Ukraine? Kiev is the main den of rot!
      if everything is calm in Kiev, it means ordinary residents have come to terms with the government and thereby support it .. Nazi power! (Ukraine and Kiev I will write with a small letter until you crush your Natsik all! You must earn a name with a capital!)
    3. xbhxbr-777
      xbhxbr-777 5 May 2014 09: 49
      +1
      It just hasn’t touched you! No need to answer for everyone! People flee, and families!
    4. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 5 May 2014 11: 49
      +1
      You are not from Kiev, why are you so confidently talking?
    5. alex shnajder
      alex shnajder 5 May 2014 11: 54
      +1
      I agree who has money going from the regions to Kiev. I know what I'm talking about.
  5. drop
    drop 5 May 2014 08: 23
    +12
    Our government urgently needs to adopt a resolution "On the resettlement of refugees in our country." You don't need to learn this. At the beginning of the Second World War, trains with refugees went to the East. Everyone knew where he could start living and working. My mother and sister were also evacuated from Leningrad to Siberia. The mother knew exactly the destination address of the arrival. My father remained in the army to defend Leningrad and died on December 27, 1941. After working for 3,5 years in Siberia, in 1944 we returned to Leningrad. Refugees from Ukraine should be in the attention of the Government. This is our duty for the omissions that Gorbachev and Yeltsin did.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2014 08: 58
      +2
      Quote: Drop
      for those omissions that made Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

      these are not omissions, this is betrayal
    2. yulka2980
      yulka2980 5 May 2014 09: 03
      0
      And what do we owe to the Ukrainians ?? After the collapse of the USSR, they got a beautiful country, they ruined it. What does Yeltsin have to do with it? He ruined the Russian economy, not Ukraine! stopWe can help, but not because of some imaginary debts
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 5 May 2014 08: 26
    +3
    God grant these people to return to their real homeland.
    1. Peter Timofeev
      Peter Timofeev 5 May 2014 08: 45
      +2
      God grant all Ukraine will return to their true homeland.
      1. 120352
        120352 5 May 2014 10: 51
        0
        Peter Timofeev
        The real homeland of Ukraine is RUSSIA.
        And the word "suburb" is not capitalized.
  7. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 5 May 2014 08: 26
    +4
    I feel sorry for people why not ask them for Russian citizenship. In this situation, all of Ukraine, who want to fight for their land, take up arms and defend their relatives, their own home, who abandon everything and flees abroad. they wanted to hear them, it’s for shorennye people who are obsessed with hatred of Russia, someday it will burp them.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 5 May 2014 09: 13
      0
      , it’s for shorennye people obsessed with hatred of Russia, someday it burps them.


      Rotten sprats and powdered cheeses that they are trying to feed us !! Something Onishchenko relaxed, again from the Baltic states they dump us the rotten !!!
  8. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 5 May 2014 08: 31
    +5
    Yes, the Anglo-Saxons have surpassed Goebbels and their fosterlings are in all sorts of "councils, organizations" not to mention the media, instead of developing Siberia.
  9. pv1005
    pv1005 5 May 2014 08: 32
    +5
    Well, women, children and refugees. But a healthy man who was beaten and blown away once, does not pull on a refugee. I would try to start at least somehow resist. And unfortunately there are many. In addition to screeching, help those who are no longer capable of anything.
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 5 May 2014 09: 12
      0
      The longer the bulk of the population of Ukraine will sit at home (corners, etc.), the more blood will be shed by the Ukrainian people, unfortunately ...
  10. Humpty
    Humpty 5 May 2014 08: 38
    +3
    Someday, these refugees will realize that their turbidity did not begin during the Orange coup. Immediately after the collapse of the Union, the turbidity climbed out. In Western times, even under Brezhnev, pastors cf.if their flocks in the head. Mom went in the 82nd on a tour to Odessa. There she communicated with resting zapadenkami. Then she told things strange for that time. For example, what their pastors say, the country will soon be led by Gorbochev and he will destroy the Union. This is what I remember well.
  11. johnsnz
    johnsnz 5 May 2014 08: 39
    +1
    Quote: Barracuda
    Unless hatred of the new government accumulates exponentially.

    Where and what will this hatred spill out, Valera?
    I’m here for many thousands of kilometers, but there is hatred. Even some! For political prostitution, for the genocide of his own people, for the blood of civilians, for the nurturing of the Nazis from the cradle. For the collapse of the country. For deafness to the cries of the people. It is sick, sad, painful
    They are no longer to be judged, they must be KILLED!
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 5 May 2014 09: 00
      0
      It hurts like seeing it all! Who knows where this hatred will pour out, and who and where it will direct. But you don’t need to kill, I repeat - cut off the arm and leg, and let them think ...
  12. Tor hummer
    Tor hummer 5 May 2014 08: 40
    0
    Good article. Cuts the truth about the "brotherly" Ukraine.
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 5 May 2014 08: 42
    +1
    What else needs to happen so that people understand that you won’t sit out, trouble will come home!
  14. siberalt
    siberalt 5 May 2014 08: 47
    +3
    It's a pity, of course, the refugees. It is certainly better to go directly to Moscow, St. Petersburg or Sochi ... If the southeast does not go on the offensive, millions of refugees with introduced fascists will be refugees. Which is part of Washington’s plans to clean up Ukrainian territory.
  15. voveim
    voveim 5 May 2014 08: 54
    +6
    No guys, something is not right. Half of Georgia is grazed with us, a third of Azerbaijan and three quarters of Armenia, I’m not talking about any Ravshans and Jamshuds. And what does Russia have from this, besides bribery, criminality and drugs?
    And then their own, Russian people, NORMAL, WORKING - and it turns out, no one needs? But how, then, "we don't abandon our own"?
    I am an ordinary teacher (not at school, however, in a technical school), with my wife and two children we live in a kopeck piece. If he could, he would have called him, at least for a while.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 5 May 2014 09: 15
      +2
      Thank you, of course, we haven’t reached this point yet. Almost everyone has relatives in Russia, there is someone to visit suddenly. My homeland, for example, is Tyumen, and my relatives are scattered from St. Petersburg to Altai and Vladikavkaz, my favorite rivers are the Tura, Tobol, Ob , the same Terek, there I stroked a golden eagle (my father, a military mountain climber brought wounded from the mountains), although I now have to swim in the Dnieper ..
  16. Lukich
    Lukich 5 May 2014 08: 54
    +7
    I’d like to see the entire right sector in refugees in the geyropa. and look at Merkel when they out there out of habit arrange Maidan
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 5 May 2014 09: 22
      +6
      And not only in Berlin, but also on the lawn in front of the White House tires will be lit ... I think Obama will be delighted with the Maidan!
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 5 May 2014 14: 45
        +6
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And not only in Berlin, but on the lawn in front of the White House tires will be lit ..

        A portrait of Victoria Nuland was burned in Kiev. Now tires are being dragged to the US Embassy. Cries are heard - “Do you like MAIDAN ?! So we will arrange it for you here, at your embassy.” Every day pickets are held at the US Embassy in Kiev demanding to stop the US seizure of Ukraine! Ukrainian media do not show this, therefore, friends, let's spread it to the maximum this information! For EVERY Ukrainian to see it!
  17. Viktor163
    Viktor163 5 May 2014 08: 58
    +4
    Adult man. Waiting for help. Is it weak to take the cobblestone and defend your right to freedom?
    1. Fox
      Fox 5 May 2014 10: 35
      0
      he thought the same thing .... but he was the same age as my son. The son left the institute and joined the army. Now he serves on the border with ukrostan.
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 5 May 2014 19: 10
      0
      In! This is a sober thought. First to defend their land, their home, family. Running is the destiny of the weak in spirit. It seems that women will save Ukraine!
  18. 020205
    020205 5 May 2014 08: 59
    +4
    They appealed to the regions that participate in the state program of voluntary resettlement of compatriots from abroad
    They applied to Siberia, and specifically to the Irkutsk region? We have such a program. Or didn’t go to Siberia the mother?
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    1. avia1991
      avia1991 5 May 2014 09: 31
      +1
      Shut your mouth, fascist henchman.
    2. Michael_59
      Michael_59 5 May 2014 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: Sanyok3184
      There is no brown plague in UKRAINE


      So I tried, no, Banderlog, to think about what lies and violence would have to be answered, sooner or later, in this world or in that?

      Or, with a piece of r @ vn @ instead of the brain, thinking in principle already fails?
    3. BlackJack
      BlackJack 5 May 2014 09: 44
      +2
      you are sharmut, daughter of a Crimean officer am
    4. andj61
      andj61 5 May 2014 10: 01
      +2
      Quote: Sanyok3184
      Wake up !!!!!!!! you are stupefied by the propaganda of your Russian media. There is no brown plague in UKRAINE, nor will there be. I live in the very west of Ukraine, we have Russian-language schools and half of the population speaks Russian, you are fooled


      Yes, everyone here knows very well: "I myself am the daughter of an officer ..." and so on.
      There were germs of fascism in Galicia back in Soviet times. And it was in the form - "they were not that bad and they were not."
      Just do not forget that these geeks - and there were 300 of them during the war - destroyed more than two million civilians. So three quarters of them were Ukrainians, the vast majority - Western Ukrainians. And now you are extolling them, the spiritual descendants of those who killed your grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
      By the way, after the war, these geeks also destroyed, mainly civilians. A soldier of the NKVD troops is much more difficult to kill!
      And most of the Nazis from the legal sector, including those who burned peaceful people in Odessa, speak Russian now - they also spoke Russian. Fascism has no nationality! This only indicates how deeply the poison of Ukrainian nationalism and fascism has penetrated into the heads of young Russians. They do not even understand when they shout "mosk alyaku na gilyaku" that they themselves are also muscled!
      PS By the way, remember, where did the civilian population of Lviv go? 80% of its inhabitants in 1941 were Poles and Jews. But the actual Ukrainians were less than 10%.
    5. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 5 May 2014 11: 13
      +1
      Oh yes, of course! My classmate who spent the summer talking with you about how they speak Russian in Vinnitsa there!
    6. sv68
      sv68 5 May 2014 14: 19
      +1
      eh, I slammed the wrong animal, and you’ve got half a doo. rock still write that on the Maidan there are no self-defense and law-abiding but only naturalists and SLOVYANSK schoolchildren and bathers are not real but radio-controlled from them. flushed down the toilet
    7. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 May 2014 14: 58
      0
      Quote: Sanyok3184
      . There is no brown plague in UKRAINE, nor will there be.

      No, there are only Bandera pigs, which will soon be khan. Order a wreath for yourself too.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 5 May 2014 19: 18
        0
        It's a sin not to support. And to whom to transfer money for the "wreath"? Why wait for a personal order? laughing
  20. be0560
    be0560 5 May 2014 09: 06
    +4
    Our President is still silent, but I am sure that he will soon say his word. And this word will be very unpleasant for the Americans and deadly for this unfinished Kiev clique. The decision is difficult, but Putin knows how to make difficult decisions. Fortunately for us. In the meantime ... For now, try not to run ahead of the engine. And restrain the emotions that all beat over the edge. In what is happening in Ukraine now, most of the blame lies with the Ukrainian people themselves. Fascism was not born there yesterday, it was carefully raised, fed, rewarded and monuments erected. With the general connivance and silence! Now the results of growing up slurp. How old are right-wing militants now? Not more than 20. Conclusion??? Remember Germany 30's. The situation is completely similar. There, too, everyone was silent and thought that everything would take a ride. Not a ride. Fascists and their actions are always and everywhere the same. It is blood and death. And history, unfortunately, does not teach anyone.
  21. Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 5 May 2014 09: 07
    +4
    Attention, in the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics there are Croatian mercenaries posing as Serbian correspondents. They provide logistics to snipers and saboteurs. They are armed and very dangerous. They have escaped the war in Bosnia. The main weapons are hidden in bumpers. Undercover niches or a pallet fixed at the bottom of the XKER. NO VOLUNTEERS AND MEDIA REPRESENTATIVES ON THE TERRITORY OF FREE REPUBLIC
  22. Agent 008
    Agent 008 5 May 2014 09: 08
    +4
    Quote: Sanyok3184
    Wake up !!!!!!!! you are stupefied by the propaganda of your Russian media. There is no brown plague in UKRAINE, nor will there be. I live in the very west of Ukraine, we have Russian-language schools and half of the population speaks Russian, you are fooled

    You have no future, but we have ...
  23. konstantinus1770
    konstantinus1770 5 May 2014 09: 13
    +1
    One to one Germany 30s.
  24. svskor80
    svskor80 5 May 2014 09: 14
    +2
    The most logical thing is to form an army on the basis of the DPR militias, to equip it with modern weapons. The first slogan "Give Kiev", the second "Give Ukraine without Nazism." Then a new "Nuremberg" - in half a year the West will forget about Ukraine, and the citizens themselves will determine their fate. If you start again later, you can catch this scum for decades in the forests, no one needs it. Directly Russian troops will not have to enter.
  25. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 5 May 2014 09: 18
    +3
    Quote: Sanyok3184
    Wake up !!!!!!!! you are stupefied by the propaganda of your Russian media. There is no brown plague in UKRAINE, nor will there be. I live in the very west of Ukraine, we have Russian-language schools and half of the population speaks Russian, you are fooled

    So the Nazis got out and let's tell tales. The people set themselves on fire, kill, and the junta and the right sector turn out to distribute food free of charge and protect the people, etc. And for how many Tugriks you signed up for traitors, such a white and fluffy one.
  26. mackonya
    mackonya 5 May 2014 09: 24
    +2
    Such refugees need to open electronic wallets and the same Qiwi wallet (it is in Ukraine too), and place the number (wallet) in the article. And to remove from electronic wallets is not so difficult even to citizens of another country, everyone would have thrown off a little bit and would have gathered quite a few. I would throw $ 10, I would not impoverish it.
    1. Darc
      Darc 5 May 2014 13: 17
      +1
      And I would not regret 500-1000 rubles. Can anyone find out the current account through the editorial office, or something like these people? I could not get.
  27. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 5 May 2014 09: 26
    +2
    As always, in the growth of evil it is enough that good does nothing, over the past 20 years, as I understand it, 99% of the population of Ukraine was engaged in doing nothing, now they got everything they deserved. All the "charm" of nationalism or Nazism in that it offers a very simple solution to all your problems, Jews, Maskals, Poles, etc. are to blame for everything. ... So we will kill them all and live ... It is very simple and understandable to everyone, but it will not solve the problems. For a while, the euphoria will be from the "destruction of enemies", but then they will look for the next "enemy of the people."
  28. aud13
    aud13 5 May 2014 09: 32
    +4
    The more I look at events in Ukraine, the more I come to the conclusion that this is a specially tuned WEST FOR RUSSIA.
    Almost all the actions of the junta are aimed at provoking Russia to send troops to Ukraine. And they really want to do it faster, apparently because they have not allocated enough resources to keep them in power.
    The proof is that if they would like to reassure the people in Ukraine, they would long ago begin to conduct the appearance of negotiations, release the majority of the people they captured - they do not represent any value to them. They would create something like a people's militia in order to clamp down on extremists, etc.
    But after all, in fact, everything is being done exactly the opposite, namely, an artificial escalation of the conflict occurs. Moreover, due to the fact that the citizens of the South East still try to avoid unnecessary victims, sometimes there is a feeling that the new government is playing an attack on itself. There are more than enough very strange examples. Just remember the kidnapping and brutal murder of one local deputy. And this was done almost on camera by faces "similar to separatists." Further, the events in Odessa on May 3 also begin with the fact that also - some persons with St. George's ribbons on their clothes and balaclavas on their heads, under the cover of police officers, and with camera lenses begin to shoot at the supporters of the Maidan. Remember the OSCE staff, who seem to have been specially transported to Slavyansk for slaughter.
    And the strange seizures of Kramatorsk, Slavyansk and other cities of Donbass with the use of aviation, heavy armored vehicles and their quick "release". Remember the pilot who was given up to be torn apart by the shot down helicopter, the pistol from which was taken away, and "forgot" to take.
    Once again, the goal of the current situation in Ukraine is only one thing - to tense the situation in Ukraine and drag Russia into an armed conflict.
    Well, what next?
    The temptation is very high against the background of all these events, the weakness of the Ukrainian government and after the annexation of Crimea to Russia, to quickly enter Ukraine, restore order there and reap the benefits in the form of either the accession of new territories or the creation of a government loyal to us.
    And this will be exactly what those who are strenuously fanning this conflict are waiting for, starting with Obama and ending with the criminals "working" in Kiev. Is it not for nothing that a whole brood of them is sitting there now?
    I suppose that a large-scale provocation is already prepared with the murder of thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of ordinary Ukrainians, with faces dressed in the uniform of "green men of the Russian army", the blame for which will naturally be blamed on Russia. Moreover, "by a strange" coincidence, all this will be widely recorded on video, which will be played 25 hours a day on all channels in Ukraine and in other countries.
    Tell me, can they not do this?
    Well then, remember September 11, 2001 - the "attack" on the Twin Towers in New York.
    This strange attack was the basis for America’s attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, located on a completely different end of the world and not having any resources for this. Evidence that these poor countries really did this, in general, did not provide, but traces of all this are intensely swept away. If the Americans set their own citizens under attack, then what can we say about ordinary citizens of Ukraine - the Yankees just don't give a damn about them.
    I think that the escalation of tension and the number of victims will increase, as it is not sad.
    They killed 2 people in Slavyansk, Russia did not send troops, so the next step is to kill 10 people in Kramatorsk.
    It did not work to drag Russia in after Kramatorsk, which means we are doing a massacre in Odessa.
    It didn’t work in Odessa either, which means that the Kiev junta is now preparing a new provocation and I can even presumably say when it will be - May 9th.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 5 May 2014 14: 56
      +5
      Quote: aud13
      I can even guess when it will be - May 9th.

      and Julia has directly said about the provocation with our veterans
  29. morpogr
    morpogr 5 May 2014 09: 33
    +2
    Sorry for the people, and this is only the beginning of how many more there will be. Russia should shelter them or give them the opportunity to become citizens. After all, smart and educated people who want and know how to work are leaving.
  30. Barakuda
    Barakuda 5 May 2014 09: 34
    +3
    Quote: Sanyok3184
    Wake up !!!!!!!! you are stupefied by the propaganda of your Russian media. There is no brown plague in UKRAINE, nor will there be. I live in the very west of Ukraine, we have Russian-language schools and half of the population speaks Russian, you are fooled

    Trolkin hello! And in which west, where exactly do you live, show history books at school, there they are completely different than in Kiev. And Klava switch to Russian, since I got here. I periodically wind all over Ukraine, I didn’t hear anything normal in the West, only in Lviv and then from 30 years old and above ...
  31. avia1991
    avia1991 5 May 2014 09: 35
    +4
    Here is a demonstration of our Russian reality .. In words - sheer help with open arms! In fact, bureaucratic cynical arbitrariness .. Our bureaucrats - "to the gilyak"! Pad.ly. I would help - yes, while I myself am in rental housing. Is there really SOMEONE to respond ?!
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 5 May 2014 09: 41
      +2
      Putin is still thinking the Duma, respectively, and is silent.
  32. Kazakh families
    Kazakh families 5 May 2014 09: 44
    +1
    Not a single constructive comment, either "to crush the fascists" or "why should we be Ukrainians? We are to blame for ourselves" ... Yeah, I’m in awe, guys, we seem to have pissed off Russia too !!!
  33. old man
    old man 5 May 2014 09: 54
    +2
    Quote: Barracuda
    Yes, some nonsense, no one from Kiev is running. In the center there is only a mess, but otherwise all the way through, in the sleeping areas of the banderlogs you can’t see, as well as mentosaurs. Usual life. Unless hatred of the new government accumulates exponentially.


    While the banderlogs dispersed to the cities of the southeast regions, and then when they are squeezed out from there, they will come to Kiev to conduct universal lustration.
  34. dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 5 May 2014 10: 01
    +3
    Yes!! Now a lot of things depend on our leaders at all levels. How they will accept people who escaped from fascism! Now populist talk - not a ride. The time has come for action!
    And about the protection of the Russian population in Ukraine ....
  35. 2014ya.ru
    2014ya.ru 5 May 2014 10: 09
    +1
    http://odnoklassniki.ru/profile/349196859168/statuses/62580640453920
    Be sure to go to this link. The fascist reptile must be crushed and the bud otherwise the zombies will continue!
  36. Giant thought
    Giant thought 5 May 2014 10: 29
    +1
    Fascists must be crushed everywhere: not Ukraine, in Russia, everywhere. The people of Ukraine are sorry, by and large, fascist lawlessness in Ukraine will show the people the real path to a brighter future, and not the one that the junta prepared for them - in concentration camps.
  37. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 5 May 2014 10: 50
    -3
    why everywhere in the territory of the former USSR such an attitude towards Russians, even, it would seem, in fraternal Ukraine?
    One of the main reasons is the pathological unwillingness of Russians to speak the languages ​​that are titular for a country, but it isn’t normal to live in a country and not know its language. local natives perceive this as some kind of arrogance or neglect, and respond accordingly, and sometimes disproportionately. nowhere else do Russians want to integrate into the local society, but still live in the Soviet Union. It is significant that monuments to Lenin became a totem for Ukrainian Russians.
    and the natives do not want to return to the USSR, where they were n. minorities with folklore ensembles. they want to be full-fledged titular nations, a perfectly reasonable desire. only suppressed for decades, or even centuries, and suddenly awakened national self-consciousness is often manifested in extreme radical forms.
    1. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 5 May 2014 12: 06
      +1
      What nonsense are you writing ...
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    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2014 15: 20
      0
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      where the Russians do not want to integrate into the local society

      and you yourself will be a crackdown?
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      and the natives do not want to return to the USSR,

      Apparently the victim of the exam, I'm talking about Aboriginal people, these are banderlogs, now Aboriginal people are trying to impose their language and their moral codes
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      only suppressed for decades, or even centuries, and suddenly awakened national self-consciousness is often manifested in extreme radical forms.

      repressed ?? !!! and you are aware that it was in the USSR that national cultures flourished, how many national theaters were there, published, books, newspapers, magazines they do not publish now with independence.
      before writing, it would not be a sin to study something on the topic
  38. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 5 May 2014 11: 16
    +2
    The inaction and heartlessness of our officials is amazing. How can we refuse to help our blood brothers ???
  39. aud13
    aud13 5 May 2014 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: Alexandr0id
    why everywhere in the territory of the former USSR such an attitude towards Russians, even, it would seem, in fraternal Ukraine?
    One of the main reasons is the pathological unwillingness of Russians to speak the languages ​​that are titular for a country, but it isn’t normal to live in a country and not know its language. local natives perceive this as some kind of arrogance or neglect, and respond accordingly, and sometimes disproportionately. nowhere else do Russians want to integrate into the local society, but still live in the Soviet Union. It is significant that monuments to Lenin became a totem for Ukrainian Russians.
    and the natives do not want to return to the USSR, where they were n. minorities with folklore ensembles. they want to be full-fledged titular nations, a perfectly reasonable desire. only suppressed for decades, or even centuries, and suddenly awakened national self-consciousness is often manifested in extreme radical forms.

    If you follow the logic of your comment, it turns out that all Americans and Canadians must speak the languages ​​of the Indians, whom they drove from their lands. However, for some reason this is not observed.
    Moreover, the situation in Ukraine is fundamentally different from what you write. It was not the Russians who came to Ukrainian territory, but the territory of Russia with Russian citizens living on them was transferred to Ukraine. Therefore, it is Ukraine that is obliged to respect the traditions and languages ​​of those peoples who live in the territories annexed to it. What, by the way, is being done in many countries of Europe in which they strive so much.
    1. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 5 May 2014 12: 11
      +2
      those. Ukrainians, Latvians, Kazakhs, etc. - are these Indians whom they drove from their lands? you rave.
      if you follow my logic, then Finns living in Sweden must know Swedish, and Swedes living in Finland are Finnish. which doesn’t stop them from speaking their native language, but for example, becoming the Prime Minister of Finland and neither Be nor Me nor a Finnish crow is somewhere beyond reasonable limits. and in Ukraine please - Azarov.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2014 15: 31
        -1
        you confuse righteousness with a sinner, it makes no sense to prove and tell, you don't even understand the situation
  40. Earnest
    Earnest 5 May 2014 12: 27
    +1
    Quote: Sanyok3184
    Wake up !!!!!!!! you are stupefied by the propaganda of your Russian media. There is no brown plague in UKRAINE, nor will there be. I live in the very west of Ukraine, we have Russian-language schools and half of the population speaks Russian, you are fooled

    Listen, why do you have no place for the letter Y in the words "chumi" and "bilo", but in the words "Russian-language schools"? That's just it, that all of you speak Russian or Surzhik (just like all my ancestors, relatives, Ukrainians in the village of Raevsky Rep. Bashkortostan of the Russian Federation), only in your Russian language for some reason, "I'm a Nazi muzzle, "and" b "sounds constantly.
  41. Papania
    Papania 5 May 2014 13: 04
    +1
    It’s a pity for people .... And the right-wingers must be crushed it definitely ....
  42. talnax7
    talnax7 5 May 2014 13: 16
    +1
    We always talk about help, tanks, guns, etc. But we forget about people. Now refugees are streams, and in a couple of months there will be an Avalanche. I see nothing but words of support. There was also a good article on the site about the Trojan horse (Maidanutasti virus) Wahhabism came to us in Tatarstan, Bashkiria. As an example of criminal work with refugees, I hope we do not make new mistakes.
  43. Lukich
    Lukich 5 May 2014 15: 05
    +5
    As far as I know, the program for assisting immigrants works well in our Lipetsk region. in any case, a lot of people from Kazakhstan came to us about 14 years ago. all were well received
  44. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 5 May 2014 15: 21
    +1
    The boy loves his mother very much! And his mother! Which is good in principle, but the result is also sad in the form of wandering in related places, but not always hospitable even for their own citizens. Believe me, the usual vagabond, business trip. Botanist? But first of all, a reserve lieutenant (an officer, almost like a warrior). Mom did not tell about the defender of the Fatherland? No! And the girl dumped from this. Girls love to be "married" In the sense of a husband, like a stone wall. Then he will give birth to children, who can be told how he defended. Grandmother, mother, homeland. Noted ... Yes, it never happened ... It's a matter of everyday life. And their principles must be defended, at least in the ranks of the People's Antifascist Militia. Or even go to the FSB, say the Ukrainian passport, I will not call suspicion. Do you have work? ... And mom, let her be in a safe place for now. But this is a different order of Courage and Responsibility for the Motherland. And according to the article, nefig let pink snot. All by yourself. And poverty and income and Life and Death.
    1. RusOdessa
      RusOdessa 5 May 2014 17: 42
      0
      Quote: chelovektapok
      The boy loves his mother very much! And his mother! Which is good in principle, but the result is also sad in the form of wandering in related places, but not always hospitable even for their own citizens. Believe me, the usual vagabond, business trip. Botanist? But first of all, a reserve lieutenant (an officer, almost like a warrior). Mom did not tell about the defender of the Fatherland? No! And the girl dumped from this. Girls love to be "married" In the sense of a husband, like a stone wall. Then he will give birth to children, who can be told how he defended. Grandmother, mother, homeland. Noted ... Yes, it never happened ... It's a matter of everyday life. And their principles must be defended, at least in the ranks of the People's Antifascist Militia. Or even go to the FSB, say the Ukrainian passport, I will not call suspicion. Do you have work? ... And mom, let her be in a safe place for now. But this is a different order of Courage and Responsibility for the Motherland. And according to the article, nefig let pink snot. All by yourself. And poverty and income and Life and Death.

      You, I see, inattentively read the article! The son took his mother to a safe place. Programs for immigrants, accommodation, etc. - one blah blah blah as it turned out. Leave the family in a safe, clean field and leave ?!
      You are rightly talking about the defense of the Fatherland, the people's militia ... BUT, the opponents of the junta were in the occupied territory and we don’t have the support of the people, the Fatherland behind us (at least in the Crimea).
      I ask everyone - read the article carefully! What is written is the true truth. I say this as a resident of Ukraine (she shit with cheese) and 100% Ukrainian. The described processes and trends are only getting stronger. As an Odessa citizen and a Ukrainian, I can say that after the tragedy in Odessa on May 2, for the first time, I thought about leaving my beloved and best city on Earth, because I was scared for my family. none of us to the exclamation "Glory to Ukraine!" will not answer "Glory to the heroes!", and this may be tantamount to suicide; because for me Ukraine and everything Ukrainian is dead; because I begin to hate people who live nearby, but did not kill, but joyfully greeted or looked at what was happening with indifference, filming with comments - "May kebab"; because I feel absolute powerlessness to tears.
  45. artemon0502
    artemon0502 5 May 2014 16: 39
    0
    ktozh help them?
  46. VD chauvinist
    VD chauvinist 5 May 2014 21: 03
    0
    Our leadership must learn from our ancestors. Dmitry Donskoy, with the filing of Sergius of Radonezh, received all refugees from Tver, Ryazan and other lands, and for 8 years released them from all taxes. The princes of these principalities even went to the Horde to complain about him. Refugees from Ukraine - accept and arrange. To accept, arrange and help financially the families of those guys from Donetsk, Lugansk, etc., who are now in arms, who are under bullets. Need to help.
  47. sergei220683
    sergei220683 5 May 2014 22: 54
    0
    if anyone knows who can host this family, then write about it. I saw somewhere in classmates that they can be accepted in the Crimea. need to help our brothers
  48. sergei220683
    sergei220683 5 May 2014 23: 18
    0
    http://marker.ru/news/514549. пытался найти координаты этих беженцев. изначально статья вышла в новостном издании Ридус. пытался найти через них. нарвался на страничку, ссылку к которой написал вначале. прочтя меньше половины нарвался на яроша. он имеет отношение к ридусу. перейдите по ссылке и прочитав сами убедитесь.