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Chronology of the choked blitzkrieg

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Chronology of the choked blitzkrieg



Kiev planned to complete the punitive operation in the southeast in 24 hours, completely clearing Slavyansk. However, the assault failed. Then the end date was moved to 24 hours, shifting forces from the heavily fortified Slavyansk to the less protected neighboring cities. However, even there the attack choked, encountering the fierce resistance of local self-defense fighters with the support of local residents.

They arrived in Slavyansk at 4.30 in the morning without declaring war. First, they fired from the Kalashnikovs, then machine guns and rocket launchers were used. Mi 8 and Mi 24 combat helicopters instantly filled the sky. So, undercover aviationOn May 2, troops sent by Kiev entered the city.

Unarmed locals stand up for defense. But the mechanic-driver of the armored car still presses on the gas. Rides on the legs of an old man. Even that does not stop him. Military warning shoots into the air. Well, in the militia-immediately to the defeat.

Punitive operation. In another way and you will not name. No warning, not even a corridor for the most helpless, women and children. Almost immediately, five were killed: three militiamen and two civilians. Wounded do not have time to count. Self-defense units are responsible, who can. Someone from "vozdushek", and someone from MANPADS.

The aggressors did not expect this. Three Ukrainian Air Force helicopters were shot down at once. The pilot of one of them managed to save. But it was not his colleagues who helped him, but the militia. They simply abandoned him. The captain was taken to the ambulance in the only hospital in the city, where there is not enough medicine or blood products to the wounded. Slavyansk - in blockade.

What forces Kiev threw at Slavyansk can be seen in satellite images. Here are 22 armored personnel carriers located west of the city, about 4 kilometers away. Nearby - 11 combat vehicles, and 10 tanks. Even closer, on the approaches to Slavyansk - 15 armored personnel carriers. And finally, 21 armored vehicles at the northernmost gates of the city.

And as a continuation - the troops sent by Kiev, still without warning rush into neighboring Kramatorsk. The military shoot directly from the BTR. From machine guns and large-caliber machine guns on unarmed people.

According to local self-defense, 10 people were killed and more 40 were injured. As in Slavyansk, tires are burning in the city. Street fights begin. Units with chevrons of the Security Service of Ukraine and militants in the form of the National Guard are going to storm the positions of self-defense.
The backbone of the National Guard - units of the "Right Sector". They are now used as saboteurs. Zasylyayut to do provocations. And, as on the eve of Krasnoarmeysk, steal people.

Armed bandits, a man under 30, in black masks, attacked a checkpoint. The cars were burned, and almost the entire self-defense detachment from 12 was taken away in an unknown direction.

Who is behind this, it became clear when this video appeared on the Internet. Kharkiv radicals threaten supporters of federalization. And call themselves "black men".

From today, separatist activists have disappeared in the Kharkiv region. And they will disappear. Soon they will disappear altogether. And in the South-East all new punitive squads of the Right Sector are now being formed. Here is the intercepted SMS correspondence of one of the coordinators of the nationalist battalion "Donbass" Vasyl Budik with the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov. Budik is a close friend of Dmitry Yarosh, besides having a Georgian passport. He writes about the readiness to assemble a fighting group of up to eight hundred people. This is the saboteur Budika fighters of self-defense was detained the day before.

And there may be many such people recruited from abroad. All the same Minister Avakov and the Head of the Security Service of Ukraine Nalyvaichenko issued orders to produce about three hundred passports of Ukraine for foreign citizens. Mainly for visitors from the Baltic countries and Poland. In radio communications, those who attacked Slavyansk have already heard English.

The key figures of this punitive special operation in the east of Ukraine are somehow connected with the United States. Starting with Speaker Alexander Turchinov Rada, who calls himself the president. Once a pastor-Baptist, not once seen in the service of the pro-American sect "Embassy of God." Now it is he who gives the order for a military assault on Slavyansk. Turchinov submits to the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Valentin Nalyvaychenko. He directly leads the assault. And its proximity to Washington has never hidden. While working as Consul General of Ukraine in the United States, he was recruited by intelligence. So no wonder Joe Biden calls him "his man in Kiev."

On the basis of their love for Stepan Bandera, they agreed with the radical leader Dmitry Yarosh. It is his “Right Sector” that is now joining the ranks of the punishers. And he looks to the east with hatred.

“Russia is a century-old enemy of Ukraine. And as long as the Russian empire exists in any form, real independence of the Ukrainian people is impossible,” says Dmitry Yarosh.

The right hand of Nalyvaychenko is General Vasily Krutov. It was he who promised to “destroy” those who would not submit to Kiev. By the way, also in the past, a CIA agent. And according to data from the environment, for the operation in the east of Ukraine, he demanded 5 million dollars and US citizenship.

Fully this tree of the hierarchy of southeastern punishers looks like this: at the head of Turchinov, then at Nalyvaychenko and the well-known Twitter lover Arsen Avakov. In their submission - Krutov. His orders are taken by the commander of the special unit "Dnipro 1" Yuriy Bereza. "Right Sector" is managed by Yarosh. The campaign on Slavyansk is led by the Commander of the National Guard under Stepan Poltorak, Acting Defense Minister Mikhail Koval and the Acting Minister. the head of the presidential administration of Ukraine Sergey Pashinsky.

Knowing all this about the new Ukrainian leadership, all the fears of the residents of Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, and Lugansk become clear. And with each of their new actions punitive only confirm their reputation.
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  1. Sergey7311
    Sergey7311 5 May 2014 07: 05
    +25
    There were two downed helicopters, not three. Two different militias chalked up the same MI-24. But two "crocodiles" in a day is also not bad!
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 5 May 2014 07: 07
      +7
      The gang leaders in Kiev have a pronounced clan spirit. Only the tough whip of the Washington host keeps them from clutching a colleague in the throat.
      1. kaa_andrey
        kaa_andrey 5 May 2014 16: 59
        +3
        And the physiological fear of Russia makes them go astray.
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 5 May 2014 07: 09
      +21
      Quote: Sergey7311
      Downed helicopters were two, not three

      I don’t understand request Crocodiles were shot down but there is not a single burnt armored personnel carrier hung by pravoseki as an ass hemorrhoids what This is what?
      1. Soldier
        Soldier 5 May 2014 07: 22
        +46
        But for me, one thing is wild. Well, frostbitten, “pectoralism,” from the right-wingers. But you can’t put a kid at the helm of a turntable. It takes a long time to study. These are the brains of the Professional military who should be obfuscated in order to fulfill the orders of the Nazis.
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 5 May 2014 07: 53
          +12
          Quote: Armeec
          But for me, one thing is wild. Well, frostbitten, “pectoralism,” from the right-wingers. But you can’t put a kid at the helm of a turntable. It takes a long time to study. These are the brains of the Professional military who should be obfuscated in order to fulfill the orders of the Nazis.


          And they bought it corny. It seems that the captured pilot said that they are paid for the departure of $ 10 000. Here are the prices of the junta to its warriors.
          "Prices for the service to the junta and the murder of Ukrainians. Secret resolution of Yatsenyuk # Odessa # Ukraine # Slavyansk
          The operation was financed by local oligarchs Kolomoisky and Taruta. Against the background of the colossal shortage of funds in the country, their payment for the services of the fight against the rebellious people seems exorbitant. Ukrainian billionaires promised each participant payments from $ 2000 to $ 5000 for one active day of the operation. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine made a decision to equate those involved in putting things in order with the participants in hostilities and provide them with appropriate benefits, as well as pay a daily allowance in the amount of 750 hryvnias for each day of the anti-terrorist operation in the area and award bonuses from 40 to 000 hryvnias. "
          http://news-mail.by/2014/05/05/rascenki-za-sluzhbu-xunte-i-ubijstva-ukraincev-se
          kretnoe-postanovlenie-yacenyuka-odessa-ukraina-slavyansk /
          1. kaluganew
            kaluganew 5 May 2014 11: 01
            +12
            With what pleasure I saw the faces of these warriors when they realize that they were thrown and will not give a penny.
          2. dalekiy
            dalekiy 7 May 2014 18: 02
            0
            They have filthy money, like all their filthy. On the blood.
        2. Sergey7311
          Sergey7311 5 May 2014 07: 57
          +8
          The captive captain must be asked!
          1. Andrey77
            Andrey77 5 May 2014 13: 17
            0
            The captain of the turntable will say little. He carried out the order of the squadron commander. Well, or as now a helicopter regiment is regularly organized in the Ukrainian Air Force ... He will give you a flight mission, map and full name of the regiment commander. Well? The most interesting thing is the flight map, if it survives, you can learn a lot from it.
            1. DanSabaka
              DanSabaka 5 May 2014 13: 21
              +10
              And in Nuremberg, the SS sheep said the same thing, that they only obeyed the orders of the commanders ....
        3. Lyubimov
          Lyubimov 5 May 2014 09: 11
          +4
          Well, they did not shoot from helicopters, they only scared and reconnoitred. These "crocodiles" could turn all self-defense into dust very, very quickly. Apparently that's why they saved the pilot, they say, and the order seemed to be fulfilled and did no harm, but rather even benefit. Complete and final discrediting of an already illegitimate, illegal and criminal junta. Not honor and praise, of course, this must be earned, but the life of whom they could have saved.
          1. smile
            smile 5 May 2014 12: 45
            +7
            Lyubimov
            That they did not initially shoot. On the day that the turntables were burned, a video was shown on all TV channels, which, albeit from afar, shows that at least one crocodile opened fire from a cannon, although nurses really weren’t used. Just after the loss of helicopters, they were used in operations only as a transport, and even then very carefully, in order to avoid, so to speak.
        4. Eugeniy_369k
          Eugeniy_369k 5 May 2014 09: 19
          +2
          Quote: Armeec
          This is what the brains of the Professional military should be littered with in order to fulfill the orders of the Nazis.

          All because of the "despicable metal" ..
          Although it is possible that ideological, well then a rope on a bitch and ....
        5. saber
          saber 5 May 2014 09: 22
          +12
          have you seen the video interview with the pilot? "we didn't think that they would start shooting at us right away" like he flew to spray the fields!
        6. Orik
          Orik 5 May 2014 10: 26
          +2
          Quote: Armeec
          But for me, one thing is wild. Well, frostbitten, “pectoralism,” from the right-wingers. But you can’t put a kid at the helm of a turntable. It takes a long time to study. These are the brains of the Professional military who should be obfuscated in order to fulfill the orders of the Nazis.

          Here for this, and even Marami with taruta will pay extra ...
          Each participant Ukrainian billionaires promised payments from $ 2000 to $ 5000 for one active day of the operation.
          1. Orik
            Orik 5 May 2014 10: 33
            +1
            The second part
          2. siberalt
            siberalt 5 May 2014 18: 43
            0
            You just have to wonder why someone is biting on these Bandera "pitchforks"? It's like catching a hungry fish with a bare hook. laughing
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        7. Orik
          Orik 5 May 2014 10: 30
          +9
          In October 1993, in Moscow, too, the boys did not shoot or sell information to the Chechens, a professional military man does not mean a man of honor, although it is a pity.
        8. Oleg1964
          Oleg1964 5 May 2014 10: 51
          +4
          Probably at the helm of the Kiev MI, not quite military (from the words of the WARRIOR), but b ..., in general, of easy behavior, for loot everything, whatever. And no need to think.
          1. Igool
            Igool 6 May 2014 03: 14
            +3
            Such people are called mercenaries. They do not fall under the concept of a prisoner of war and under the Geneva Conference, and therefore are subject to total destruction
        9. yushch
          yushch 5 May 2014 11: 19
          +7
          A professional military man may well come from the western part of Ukraine. You should not be surprised at this.
        10. woron333444
          woron333444 5 May 2014 11: 45
          +2
          for greens fly
        11. raf
          raf 5 May 2014 19: 02
          +1
          From a professional military, turned into a professional mercenary, and the last violet, whom to wet, even though his mother.
        12. fleks
          fleks 5 May 2014 20: 24
          +1
          everything is very simple in the Ukrainian army and in particular in the aviation there were those who answered positively to the question "are you ready to fight with Russia?"
          In general, older people remember from the residents of Ukraine the postulate that they feed us
        13. Suhow
          Suhow 5 May 2014 22: 54
          0
          The oath says that you can obey the orders of the commanders, you can cheat them, but then. Yes, and as golden eagles, flyers have not yet been put on their knees.
      2. Prometey
        Prometey 5 May 2014 07: 30
        -7
        Quote: Ruslan67
        This is what?

        This is because the militias are not ready to fight and are not ready to make fire contact with the enemy. Regrettably, the junta will sooner or later crush the resistance in the Southeast. Not much is left.
        1. anip
          anip 5 May 2014 07: 37
          +2
          Yes, quite right, the junta will sink the Southeast in blood. The junta will not stop at nothing, it will hire Western mercenaries, if this does not help, it will ask to send NATO troops. As a result, we will have an extremely hostile state on the border with the Russian Federation.
          1. bistrov.
            bistrov. 5 May 2014 08: 47
            +17
            Quote: anip
            Yes, quite right, the junta will sink the Southeast in blood. The junta will stop at nothing

            I don’t think so. She would really like to, but they won’t let her do it. It is clear that it’s hard for fathers of families to take up arms and fully fight the punitive forces of the junta, but nevertheless, the formation of a liberation army is going on throughout the territory of the Donetsk Republic, and this is a very densely populated region. Its population is comparable to almost all of western Ukraine. In addition, two battalions of volunteers from the Crimea have been formed and have already been sent. Also, volunteer units from army veterans and special forces are being formed throughout Russia. They all have experience in warfare and were brought up in Soviet ideology. Soon they will appear on the territory of the Donetsk Republic, for which corridors have already been arranged on the border with Russia, and then we'll see who they will take. The Nazis will not command in the Southeast!
            1. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 5 May 2014 09: 50
              +5
              Your words, yes to God’s ears!
            2. Suhow
              Suhow 5 May 2014 23: 04
              0
              it’s hard for fathers of families to leave work, families need to be fed. But there is a limit point and is already close. It’s a pity but losses can be very much, which I don’t want.
            3. Igool
              Igool 6 May 2014 03: 16
              +1
              God give it. I would like it to happen this way, but not just dream
          2. yushch
            yushch 5 May 2014 11: 22
            +1
            The people cannot be defeated, but now the people are against the junta, or rather, against the fact that the people were told to smoke on the sidelines while everyone decides for it.
            1. raf
              raf 5 May 2014 19: 06
              +1
              The people are silent! After Odessa, in theory, all of Ukraine was supposed to stand up and sweep the junta out of Kiev. However, nothing happens, only the southeast is resisting.
            2. dalekiy
              dalekiy 7 May 2014 18: 07
              0
              Not even that. More precisely, this is not so. The unarmed people were burned, chopped with axes and strangled in Odessa. This is the point of no return.

              Woe to the strategists on the forum: in Vietnam, 18-year-old girls fought against the American commandos. And they won!
          3. smile
            smile 5 May 2014 13: 04
            +4
            anip
            And Ukraine has already become an extremely hostile state since the Nazis came to power. And they were able to come to power only because in Ukraine they had been raising the population for 23 years, especially the young - from the cradle - in an extremely hostile spirit for us. So, the extreme hostility of Ukraine in no way depended on our actions.
        2. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 5 May 2014 10: 56
          +10
          the junta will sooner or later crush resistance in the Southeast. Not much is left.

          You are mistaken ... you are very mistaken, dear! You have only one thing - ALREADY A LITTLE LEFT! Yes! it remains a little to wait for the collapse of the junta's punitive operation ... "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines!" So wrote L.N. TOLSTOY about an unsuccessful attack in the Crimean war of the 19th century. So they forgot about the PEOPLE of both the SOUTH-EAST, and the CRIMEA, KUBAN, DON, CAUCASUS! ...
          Already the volunteers of these regions ... who left for NOVOROSSIA both at the call of the heart ... so at the call of the blood ... help the militia of the YuVU ... and this movement is just beginning ... Nobody sends anyone anywhere! Volunteers ride themselves! And these are not just words for the beauty of the text and taken from the air ... The latest information - The Union of Ossetian paratroopers form a large group of volunteers ... who will soon support brothers in blood and spirit.
          At the same time, it is clearly visible ... that the movement of punishers is simply fizzling out ... the reserves and forces of the "Westerners" from Galicia are not immeasurable ... many are beginning to see clearly ... and most importantly - THE EYES OF THE EUROPEAN PUBLIC WILL BE OPENING! And without outside support ... the days of the junta will be numbered!
          So really - there is not much left! POWER JUNE!
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        4. smile
          smile 5 May 2014 12: 59
          +4
          Prometey
          In principle, the junta would have had the strength and resources in decisive action to break up the self-defense forces in their current form, driving the bulk into the underground .... But then what? It’s not enough to capture the cities, it is also necessary to keep them. And how will they be able to do this? Putting a Bandera gang at every intersection? Independents could cope with openly opposing self-defense forces by introducing at least a hundred thousand soldiers to the Southeast and establishing a strict occupation regime. But they don’t have enough money for that.
          They have gone too far, and they will no longer be able to hold the territory by simply grabbing the Self-Defense activists. They will begin to destroy them using partisan methods. In any development of the situation, they have already lost the South-East. I repeat - in any case, even if tomorrow they transfer the most active part of self-defense by tanks. The blitzkrieg has already drowned, this is obvious - nothing else can explain this trampling on the spot, this "step forward, two-back" of the junta's troops.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 5 May 2014 13: 38
            +1
            Quote: smile
            And how will they be able to do this? Putting a Bandera gang at every intersection?

            Actually the answer is in your question. The junta will be used to pacify scumbags from the PS. The events in Odessa have already shown this - an aggressive, organized small gang will be able to demoralize and keep the big city in fear. The population is frightened and it is unlikely that it now has the will to rally and resist.
            After Odessa, scumbags will feel their power and impunity and go even further. I do not want to believe it, but for Ukraine, the ghost of Rwanda loomed in miniature on the horizon.
            Most people do not want to understand yet that it will not be possible to achieve peace using "civilized" methods. Donbass militias should also understand this. The game of nobility will have to end if they want to defend their land from the degraded Natsik thugs. And here it will be necessary to act tough, and maybe cruel.
            1. smile
              smile 5 May 2014 15: 00
              +1
              Prometey
              Well. Rwanda is not Rwanda, but there is a clear stall of the country in the cross between Somalia and Yugoslavia. You understand. the most rabid fascists will not calm down, the crowds of law-abductors are uncontrollable, in Ukraine and without any wars, so soon the famine will begin .... in this case, the junta simply will not be able to hold the Southeast. even if it captures him. After all, law-breakers will want to eat. want more power. he wants a candle factory of his own, and the oligarchs will not want to share, so that, I believe, they won’t pass.

              And about your opinion on the actions of the militias - I completely agree. They must act not only extremely cruelly and cruelly (of course, not by the same methods as the Nazis), but also actively. They must operate under a single command and in a coordinated manner. They should seize the initiative, and not hit the tail, responding to the blows of the junta. Something seems to be starting to be done. Therefore, I hope you are wrong in your gloomy forecasts. I think you yourself hope so. :)))
              1. Prometey
                Prometey 5 May 2014 19: 26
                +1
                Quote: smile
                They must operate under a single command and in a coordinated manner. They should seize the initiative, not hit the tail

                Here I am talking about too. There are no disturbing sorties against the paramilitary units, there are no attempts at sabotage (although helicopters can be shot down famously), there are no ambushes. Maybe it will come to this, but for now - a sluggish situation. Yes, I really want to hope that people defend their right to life and take revenge on the killings of Odessa citizens.
            2. Suhow
              Suhow 5 May 2014 23: 43
              +1
              we showed a report from Odessa and there a red-black flag spoke about the detention
              who were released from the house of trade unions, was outraged by the fact that to detain those who were released from the house of trade unions, and those who did not touch them, what did they want ??? One-sided justice is somehow, and
              what has changed then ???
        5. Suhow
          Suhow 5 May 2014 22: 59
          0
          open resistance is possible. And underground?
      3. Validator
        Validator 5 May 2014 08: 48
        +6
        Quote: Ruslan67
        It’s not clear to me that Crocodiles were shot down but there isn’t a single burnt armored personnel carrier hung by pravoseki as an ass hemorrhoids. What’s it for?

        Armored personnel carriers entered only Kramatorsk, where at that moment there were no people with RPGs, all in Slavyansk. When they were already leaving, they tried to catch up with them, but did not have time. Nothing, if they climb, they get their
      4. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 5 May 2014 09: 59
        +5
        Why are there no damaged armored personnel carriers ?? Two pieces were knocked down as the guys from self-defense say. After that, they did not approach the posts with armored personnel carriers. At the post near the BZS, they fired from 400-500 meters, they were afraid closer, because grenade launchers, a land mine and "Molotovs" were ready
      5. amigo1969
        amigo1969 5 May 2014 10: 26
        +4
        Perhaps the militias have a limited number of RPGs. They are waiting for the law enforcement technique to enter the city blocks ... I think so!)
      6. Suhow
        Suhow 5 May 2014 22: 51
        +2
        they don’t go far there, they can shoot, and the flyers thought that only automatic machines in Slavyansk ..
    3. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 5 May 2014 07: 17
      +5
      Quote: Sergey7311
      There were two downed helicopters, not three. Two different militias chalked up the same MI-24. But two "crocodiles" in a day is also not bad!

      It is very good. 10% of military equipment is a good result. ten such lucky days and no turntables.
    4. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 5 May 2014 07: 26
      +6
      There were two downed helicopters, not three. Two different militias chalked up the same MI-24. But two "crocodiles" in a day is also not bad!
      two or three is not a big difference, the main thing is that they fill up and they stop flying, but how many bats are burned who knows.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 5 May 2014 07: 48
        +4
        When Donbass goes to Kiev, put the junta on its knees, and the Americans, by the way, even raise money on these fascists, they will have a monetary gain in any situation, though with shame like in Syria.
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      4. siberalt
        siberalt 5 May 2014 18: 45
        +4
        Aha! It was reported that one helicopter landed on its own. Not a damn thing to understand. If a helicopter doesn't bombard with missiles, then who knows what its pilot thinks? Everything is very difficult. They are pitched against their own. Like dogs in dog fights. You need to destroy the "trainers", damn it! And the nearest ones are in Kiev and regional councils in the southeast.
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 5 May 2014 07: 59
      +6
      Quote: Sergey7311
      Downed helicopters were two, not three

      Yes, it seems, there has already been a "refutation of refutation." The result was announced: 2 Mi-24s were shot down; one Mi-8 was badly damaged, but the pilot managed to land the "turntable". There was a statement from the commander of the militia group that the helicopters were shot down from "automatic weapons" (probably a hint of Kalashnikov assault rifles). Mi-24 - from assault rifles? Something very hard to believe. Then video footage of MANPADS launch appeared.
    6. pensioner
      pensioner 5 May 2014 11: 12
      +3
      And Mi-8 in Kramatorsk at the airport, and to the heap with An-2? So 3 helicopters - train. Plus one plane. It is known that in Kramatorsk another Mi - 8 barely sat down.
    7. strelok23rus
      strelok23rus 5 May 2014 12: 11
      +3
      After the unsuccessful operation, "Mac" threatens to provide military assistance for 10 million dollars, and NATO exercises begin urgently in the Baltic States. They remembered for Prednistrovye, too, not by chance, they are for Russia. Serious porridge is brewed, accompanied by the sound of the waves. did not understand that they are being used.
      1. Igool
        Igool 6 May 2014 03: 24
        0
        What is 10 million dollars in arms. The figure is relatively small, because punitive weapons are abundant, therefore, we will at least talk about sniper equipment, plus more expensive weapons. Of course, if all this is used against the southeast, there will be a significant improvement in weapons, but this is practically impossible. Most likely, the part will go to the left, as always, because nobody blocked the left channels, some will simply be plundered, and the rest will be distributed throughout Ukraine.
    8. nnz226
      nnz226 5 May 2014 14: 31
      +1
      the third was a damaged Mi-8
    9. anderew-http
      anderew-http 5 May 2014 15: 06
      +1
      The situation with the absence of photos of the wreckage of helicopters raises a question. Nowadays, every second phone removes FHD - there are no problems in the "operators".
      Can you comment on this?
    10. ssskalinin
      ssskalinin 5 May 2014 16: 32
      0
      Something is not clear? Mi-24 crew two people pilot and shooter operator. If you took one, then where is the second?
    11. Docent1984
      Docent1984 5 May 2014 22: 01
      0
      Today, another was removed from the PCT, as they said in the news.
  2. Sergg
    Sergg 5 May 2014 07: 06
    +7
    The war against the people has never been successful. Victory will be for Donetsk and Lugansk Republic.
    1. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p 5 May 2014 07: 31
      +5
      The junta digs a hole for itself. This of course sounds extremely cynical, but everyone killed or wounded by the militia is dozens of people who realized that the ENEMY came to THEIR house and he came to KILL. To kill relatives, friends and acquaintances. And even if not every one of these dozens is aware, but someone already today will score for work and go get a rifle or get a shotgun from the cabinet.
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 5 May 2014 15: 30
        +3
        What is the typical Ukrainian surname - Krutov ... and even Vasily. Did he eat too much bleached? After all, after the militias they will kill him for only one last name.
      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 5 May 2014 15: 30
        0
        What is the typical Ukrainian surname - Krutov ... and even Vasily. Did he eat too much bleached? After all, after the militias they will kill him for only one last name.
  3. VadimL
    VadimL 5 May 2014 07: 09
    +12
    When you read something like that, a strange feeling arises. "At 4 o'clock in the morning", "without a declaration of war", "fascist troops." From such phrases, there is a feeling of failure in time. Only the year is not 41, but 14.
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor 5 May 2014 08: 41
      +7
      You're right, comrade. Times have changed. The fascists only remained the same ...
  4. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 5 May 2014 07: 10
    +7
    Then the end date was postponed for another 24 hours, transferring forces from the heavily fortified Slavyansk to less protected neighboring cities. However, even there the attack was stifled, stumbling upon fierce resistance of local self-defense fighters with the support of local residents.

    Wearing, tearing apart, pulling the army apart in different directions is the most correct tactic of the militia. In addition, there is another option: the transfer of "Crimean technology" to the Ukrainians, by order of the current president of Ukraine.
    Well, more ties. IMHO!
    1. major071
      major071 5 May 2014 08: 30
      +13
      Look at the latest power operations of the Kiev junta. They simply do not have enough strength. All these vaunted National Guard, Nazi battalions-der.mo, and the army as a whole does not want to fight against the people. If at least 2-3 thousand people join the militias in the coming days, who want to defend their land with weapons in their hands, then the complete encirclement of the Khuntyat troops and complete destruction. Now there really are not enough people.
      1. 528Obrp
        528Obrp 5 May 2014 08: 46
        +7
        Quote: major071
        Look at the latest power operations of the Kiev junta. They just don't have enough strength.

        Let me quote to myself, to myself (in my opinion Mironov) smile :
        The tactics of self-defense fighters are simple and effective: well, the army came, well, they shot, well, they won, and .... they moved away. And the self-defense fighters are right there! Kiev already lacks the infrastructure that would allow to establish further "order". No resources, no internal troops. There are no structures for control and maintenance of internal order. And to use the army as an occupation troops, well, there are not so many troops, equipment, resources


        Quote: major071
        If in the next few days at least 2-3 thousand people join the militias who want to defend their land with weapons in their hands, then the complete encirclement of the Khuntyat troops and the complete destruction are possible.
        If this resource does not exist, the junta will be starved to death. Only the victims will be more.
      2. amigo1969
        amigo1969 5 May 2014 10: 33
        +5
        I agree! The Ukrainian army (I mean the officers) turned on stupidly "fool" and sabotage all orders. Costumed monkeys on armored personnel carriers are 100% of the right-wing people, which are now loudly called "National Guard". Their resource, I think, is extremely limited. It's one thing to throw paving stones on the Maidan, another to go to a real war. And the militias are now really experiencing a shortage of competent commanders who, with a limited resource, are capable of repelling "maneuver and fire" .... Good luck to them !!
        1. raf
          raf 5 May 2014 19: 14
          0
          They stupidly turned on or not stupidly, but nevertheless, that mummers of civilians pour blood of civilians without hesitation, that in the southeast, in Odessa. It would be great if these officers did not stupidly turn their weapons against the monkeys! But they will not, because they are stupid.
  5. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 5 May 2014 07: 11
    +2
    Three helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force were shot down immediately. They managed to save the pilot of one of them. But it was not his colleagues who helped him at all, but the militia. His just threw him.

    But what kind of people are they, soulless hyenas stupid, merciless, well how to brainwash, or how much to pay to go on such ..
    what are you doing bastards
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 5 May 2014 07: 12
    +31
    After the tragedy in Odessa, it is simply necessary to organize a quiet elimination of the notorious thugs from the RIGHT SECTOR .... they should disappear without any chance to appear in this world and I am a staunch supporter of such actions against the FASCIS.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 5 May 2014 07: 25
      +7
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      After the tragedy in Odessa, it is simply necessary to organize a quiet elimination of notorious thugs from the RIGHT SECTOR ....

      That's right!
      But not quite quiet ... the country needs to know "its heroes".
      I think that, unfortunately, things will not be limited to Odessa, the civil war is flaring up. And the number of active Natsiks must be actively reduced.
      1. igor_m_p
        igor_m_p 5 May 2014 07: 36
        +10
        Quote: Alekseev
        But not quite quiet ... the country needs to know "its heroes".

        Aspen, soap, rope, farewell "selfie" on Facebook ...
        Something like this ...
        1. kaa_andrey
          kaa_andrey 5 May 2014 09: 39
          +3
          Explosion package in the anus ...
      2. Bosk
        Bosk 5 May 2014 09: 13
        +7
        Precisely QUIET, because there is nothing more terrible and humiliating for "Patriot" as "quiet departure", you cannot give them hope for the last battle, let it awaken for them the inevitable fate, the punishment of God and let fear take possession of them ... fear of inevitable retribution, Believe me, if they are overwhelmed by fear, then they will still be warriors ...
        1. 52
          52 5 May 2014 13: 48
          +2
          It is in-tihar, since there is nothing worse for such geeks than constantly looking back at every rustle, waking up in cold sweat on pissed sheets and knowing the punishment is inevitable.
      3. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 5 May 2014 13: 40
        0
        But not quite quiet ... the country needs to know "its heroes".
        To do this, after the liquidation, it is enough to publicly declare on the wanted list and create a "wave" of searches.
    2. gor530
      gor530 5 May 2014 07: 35
      +6
      I completely agree. is it really not clear that a real war is going on and there is no turning back. when the Ukrainians of the east, in addition to statements, show the organization and begin to fight the Nazis. no need to rely on Russia, only on yourself. the impression that no one served them, they just play war games. until the equipment burns and the coffins go west, the rulers in Kiev will not hear anything.
  7. sledge
    sledge 5 May 2014 07: 14
    +9
    Switch to partisan mentodes. Mining of access roads, rail war, agitation among the Ukrainian military, etc. Well, how did the military go against the civilian population?
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 5 May 2014 07: 33
      +2
      Quote: Sanya
      Switch to partisan mentodes. Mining of access roads, rail war, agitation among the Ukrainian military, etc. Well, how did the military go against the civilian population?

      - what for? And they do it so brilliantly. Now, if modern weapons to them - "Vampires" against armored vehicles, MANPADS against aviation, a few non-motor vehicles and helicopters for mobility and pieces ... twelve heavy self-propelled artillery systems - to smithereens and smash the army and the "National Guard", is not a question at all.
      1. Petrogradets
        Petrogradets 5 May 2014 10: 04
        +7
        I am totally against the name "National Guard". What is it national? This is a full-scale NATSIZ GUARD !!!
      2. xenod55
        xenod55 5 May 2014 11: 19
        +2
        With two hands FOR! Tell me more how to transfer all the good things to the guys in the South-East.
        1. option 1: militiamen quietly make noise in one of the sections of the border, the forces of law-enforcement officers are drawn to them. On the exposed section of the border, equipment is being thrown off by turntables and militiamen quietly take it away. easy at first glance. In fact, a long coordination of actions, routes, reconnaissance, and more.
        2. option 2: Crimea resumes the transfer of the remnants of equipment, which is accompanied and met by the right people, again the question is where to get the ammunition. Although, what we decide here, for this there are trained people.
        From all this only one conclusion follows - it is necessary to help, but with the mind.
    2. mackonya
      mackonya 5 May 2014 08: 22
      +2
      Soon there will be independent DPR and NLR, why should they mine their own ways and campaign among the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ordinary military personnel are not going to shoot people anyway. All who are now shelling civilians is nat. guard, PMCs and mercenaries among the Armed Forces of Ukraine, yes there are some. And agitate nat. the guard (right sector) is useless to them for 23 years so zombified that it takes another 23 years to knock all this nonsense. The military oath does not allow the use of weapons against civilians, so those who shoot are those who did not take the military oath.
  8. smmeh
    smmeh 5 May 2014 07: 19
    +9
    Equipment must be captured and weapons. And then they meet a pancake of the enemy with iPhones.
  9. Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 5 May 2014 07: 21
    +4
    I grieve for those who died at the hands of the Nazis and understand perfectly well that before May 10-11, GDP cannot give a command to conduct a peacekeeping operation.
  10. Uncle Dima
    Uncle Dima 5 May 2014 07: 26
    +3
    A dumb junta can in no way make it clear that good always triumphs over evil.
  11. saag
    saag 5 May 2014 07: 27
    +4
    pity for the enemy turns into a loss among his own, why the ground equipment is still intact, how to shoot down helicopters, but then some kind of wartime oddity is glaring
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 5 May 2014 07: 37
      +3
      Quote: saag
      it was found how to bring down helicopters, but here some kind of strangeness in the war time

      The turntable from a small arms video was damaged.
      The second with RPG. They shot at the armor, not literally, but within the meaning: one grenade is higher, the second is ricocheted on the armor.
      They quickly got away. One in the ditch. Shell with small arms. Officially, from the sources on this site - one killed for sure.
      1. 528Obrp
        528Obrp 5 May 2014 07: 45
        +9
        This once again suggests that there are few specialists. Such specialists as "Rys" (Slavyansk) work only in critical situations. Ordinary men are fighting, learning as they go. The hat must be taken off in front of them and the road must be swept before them. There are specialists, but their time has not come yet. IMHO.
  12. Same lech
    Same lech 5 May 2014 07: 34
    +5
    A couple of armored personnel carriers to undermine on mines in front of the SLAVIC .... desire to storm the city with armored vehicles will be reduced.


    For specialists, it would not be difficult to organize the rout of assault columns of armored vehicles (with appropriate support) .... hehe heh, it would be nice to use at least the former demolition men from Chechnya.
    1. ddd1975
      ddd1975 5 May 2014 13: 13
      0
      it would be more correct to pretend to be suckers (in principle, they’re doing it right now), and if a technician enters the city massively, he’ll bring down all trunks (if any). But the Nazis are also not suckers (apparently according to the English negotiations) - while there is reconnaissance in battle. The defenders have an odd chance - a military trick - like the Natsik’s nerves will surrender and they will trample the trick in bulk here and must be applied. The Natsiks, by the way, also have the last chance - the flow of armed asshole in one place will not be collected.
  13. Narkom
    Narkom 5 May 2014 07: 41
    +11
    New York Times accuses Kerry, Obama and Kiev of monstrous lies
    The journalists of one of the most popular New York Times newspapers put their president Obama and the head of the US State Department in a puddle, but they also proved the outspoken lies of the Kiev authorities - after spending a week in the Southeast, they did not find a trace of Russian participation in the actions of supporters of federalization. Nothing. Neither the coordinators, nor the instructors, nor the material or technical assistance that, according to Kerry, Obama and all kinds of Turchinov-Avakov, supposedly provided Russia.
    In an investigative article they published, the journalists frankly admitted - yes, "Western officials and the Ukrainian authorities insist that the militants are being led, organized and supplied by the Russians." Only they decided to make a statement - there are no Russians there, no help. "The rebels serving in the 12th company turned out to be Ukrainians who, however, have close ties with Russia, including kindred ones, like many in Eastern Ukraine. Many of them are veterans of the Soviet, Ukrainian or Russian armies," sounds in the article. At the same time, American journalists drew attention to the fact that the militias have significant combat experience and they can resist the regular army without any "Russian help." The New York Times decided to throw in the face of Kiev and Washington neither more nor less - an accusation of lying! "This is exactly the case, and not the way officials in Kiev and the West claim," the article says.
    Moreover, the newspaper says that the journalists even checked the militia's weapons. "The defenders of the East reported that if Russian intelligence helped them, they would have more modern weapons, and not the outdated ones that we saw at checkpoints or in places where the company is located," the investigators write. And they remind - "they saw the same weapon on Ukrainian soldiers, special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine": Makarov pistols, Kalashnikov assault rifles, several Dragunov sniper rifles, on which they saw stamps that they were made in the 80s or early 90s last century.
    http://www.ntv.ru/ho...0140426/bii.jpg
    Also, journalists drew attention to the fact that the army of Kiev and radical militants used combat helicopters, armored vehicles, heavy automatic weapons against the peaceful city. It is a pity that the New York Times did not remind the United States that in a similar situation in Libya-Syria, America immediately started talking about "genocide" and began to demand a no-fly zone with an upcoming ground operation.
    Well, one more - incredibly graphic - fact of outright lies, in which Obama, Kerry and Kiev were caught in front of the whole world. Earlier, we will remind, Kerry was already sitting in a puddle - waving an allegedly anti-Jewish leaflet from Donetsk, which turned out to be a fake. And the photographs of the allegedly Russian military, which the US leader and the head of the State Department spoke about, turned out to be "leftists" - the author of the photographs himself even stated this. And we do not remember the twisting in the UN with a test tube allegedly with Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, after which the US attacked Iraq, photographs of piles of corpses (including children) allegedly from Syria - distributed by US officials and turned out to be "filmed not then and there."
    It is quite understandable that the US starts and drives its "propaganda rink" - it is not for nothing that opinion polls show that many EU residents consider the image of the Russian Federation "demonized" and, together with the Americans, accuse their leaders of lying, but ... I am glad that among the media , openly called by international experts "propaganda, not independent", such "glimpses" appear.
    But will Europe, sane Ukraine, Russia and the rest of the world notice them? In a sense, it depends on us ...
    http://www.politonli...e/21329981.html
    1. potap48a
      potap48a 5 May 2014 14: 10
      0
      It is unclear how the executives and sponsors of the New York Times published this article. The newspaper positions itself as pro-government and constantly publishes all sorts of rubbish, beneficial to the official Fashington. And here it is! Either this is an order from "friends" of Obamka and K., and or it is not clear what. There is no free press in the USA and Europe, we all know that. Everything is published for a specific order from the outside.
  14. Rus_87
    Rus_87 5 May 2014 07: 44
    +3
    They drive around the Hammers, just like their masters in Yugoslavia or Iraq ...
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 5 May 2014 07: 54
      +9
      Quote: Rus_87
      They drive around the Hammers, just like their masters in Yugoslavia or Iraq.

      We have already seen this. In Georgia. What ended everyone knows.
  15. sv68
    sv68 5 May 2014 07: 45
    +1
    Well, the special services have a full list of almost dead bodies and it remains only to put the word-almost-disappeared-to shoot the turin avakava, to birch a birch on any tree, and the rest-the bullet should not be otherwise
  16. johnsnz
    johnsnz 5 May 2014 07: 59
    +2
    “Russia is a century-old enemy of Ukraine. And as long as the Russian empire exists in any form, real independence of the Ukrainian people is impossible,” says Dmitry Yarosh.
    Russia was, is and will be a powerful empire. But in what form will you be, Yarik? I’ll be humane and suppose that in the prison
  17. Agent 008
    Agent 008 5 May 2014 08: 07
    +27
    The effectiveness of the drug 100% ...
    1. Buran
      Buran 5 May 2014 14: 53
      0
      Inside cranial use, occipital part.
  18. btsypulin
    btsypulin 5 May 2014 08: 11
    +3
    Quote: johnsnz
    “Russia is a century-old enemy of Ukraine. And as long as the Russian empire exists in any form, real independence of the Ukrainian people is impossible,” says Dmitry Yarosh.
    Russia was, is and will be a powerful empire. But in what form will you be, Yarik? I’ll be humane and suppose that in the prison

    Good morning! And I propose not to be humane, to organize a second "Nuremberg" trial, after which all these executioners should be hanged in public. Hang on Red Square and broadcast to the whole world so that they can see the nits, what will happen if the Russian people are humiliated and killed.
  19. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 5 May 2014 08: 29
    +10
    Quote: Sergey7311
    There were two downed helicopters, not three. Two different militias chalked up the same MI-24. But two "crocodiles" in a day is also not bad!

    Crocodile, a dangerous car! In Afghanistan, they returned as sieves from the military, but sat down, only 333 cars were destroyed in 9 years of the most severe war, there are 2 cars in a day, this indicates the complete non-professionalism of the Ukrainian army, FIGHT SLAVEN, YOU HAVE ALL CHANCE TO VICTORY, WITH YOU NOT THE ARMY OF YOUR COUNTRY IS FIGHTING, AND A HANDLE OF DEFENDERS RECEIVED WEAPONS!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 May 2014 09: 44
      +2
      Right. Not only dangerous, but also extremely tenacious. The fact that two were shot down at once is both extreme luck and extreme dullness of Ukrainian pilots. How was it possible to get into the helm of a combat vehicle capable of rolling a small village into smoke and flying to the city? What for? Who did they want to fire there?
  20. Wels75
    Wels75 5 May 2014 08: 38
    +5
    There is a list. This is excellent. Each of these creatures must answer in all severity of the law, the law of conscience in front of relatives and friends, they tortured people !!! The court, and if they run away to their owners for a cardon, then how Mossad act, one at a time and probably without noise and dust! there is no forgiveness to such nonhumans!
    PS: the men of the Donbass Malad, hold on like a nada. According to the armored personnel carriers, I agree that you need to somehow activate, a couple before entering burn the Schaub, the rest pissed when they approached.
    Death to fascism! Victory will be ours!
  21. desant_doktor
    desant_doktor 5 May 2014 08: 53
    +4
    Recent days have convinced me that there are more scum in the world than I thought before. And some of them hold leading positions in the EU countries. We will not call the name Merkel, but IMHO, this is the worst of scum. There have been no illusions about Americans for a long time, but the chancellor frankly surprised. And he does it regularly and with a truly Aryan scale. Interestingly, what is this leash for which her frame holds? Maybe her husband is already held hostage in guantanomo? I don’t know how else to explain her attitude to the current moment. Or, if she acts on her own understanding, then she does not deserve a relationship other than scum finished. The vaccine against fascism turned out to be short-lived. Unfortunately, only one country has the secret of producing this vaccine. And it costs a lot ...
    1. kaa_andrey
      kaa_andrey 5 May 2014 10: 12
      +2
      The state on whose territory the foreign army is located is occupied and has no "voice" of its own! So both the government and the leadership there are appointed by the occupier. And the tribute pays regularly ...
  22. chinararem
    chinararem 5 May 2014 09: 02
    +6

    Watch this video, dear Ukrainians, and then shout: "Glory to the heroes!"
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor 5 May 2014 09: 10
      +7
      Kamrad, what Ukrainians do you want to show all this? Those who happily laughed and posted like witty komenty under the photos of charred corpses in Odessa? To those female scum bottling gas? Or maybe scum of both sexes, killing the wounded, falling out of the house of trade unions? Or is it about the inhabitants of the southeast? So they don’t need it, they already know everything. And the rest ... There is nothing to throw beads before scum ...
      1. kaa_andrey
        kaa_andrey 5 May 2014 10: 15
        +1
        Whose corpses are these? Which side of the dead? When and where is it taken?
        There are more questions than answers.
        Facts must be REINFORCED.
    2. Damdin
      Damdin 5 May 2014 10: 16
      +3
      On YouTube, people write that this video is for 2012, and it was shot, allegedly in Chechnya.
      It is interesting whether this is true or not.
  23. Yellow white
    Yellow white 5 May 2014 09: 03
    0
    Well, nevertheless, the animals are known to both the people and the security forces ...
    Dot, on the head ... and then let them prove, even "the hand of Moscow", even the "leg of China" ..
  24. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 5 May 2014 09: 04
    0
    The Kiev guards use the tactics of the gangs of the civil war in Russia, they attacked, shot, robbed, took food and left.
    1. Elle-elle
      Elle-elle 5 May 2014 11: 32
      +7
      If we take for granted the assertion that Russia is being "lured out" with live bait - to unleash a military conflict - then the actions of the "army" fall under the definition of "provocation." Frankly, they do not understand how they act - they would like to clean up - they would have already cleaned up. And a peaceful city would be bombed at night, and the Pravoseks would be launched to "clean up", they would have worked from the inside, in short, they would have coped with it in a couple of days - Slavyansk is not such a big fortress, and frankly there are not so many militias. Many peaceful victims would be forgiven them just as Odessa was forgiven. But the way THEY act now is more like a desire to anger more Russians. Bite, and move away, see - what will happen? The impression is that it is not profitable for them to completely eliminate the centers of resistance, they need to maintain the picture.
  25. Peter Timofeev
    Peter Timofeev 5 May 2014 09: 05
    +2
    This massacre will stop only when the militia of the South-East has liberated Kiev.
  26. mig31
    mig31 5 May 2014 09: 13
    +1
    Blitz krieg for the Fuhrer-KAPUT, for the Fuhrer from the State Department-AMERICA KAPUT !!!!!!!, that’s the whole war .... RUSSIA BEAT AT ALL TIMES OF THE FUN, BEAT AND WILL BEAT ....
  27. Gray 43
    Gray 43 5 May 2014 09: 19
    +2
    Odessa showed who how they perceive patriotism - while young people and pensioners protested against the fascist scum, their peers, fellow countrymen prepared bottles with a fuel mixture for the same fascists for money, maybe it is worth giving them an assessment? This is not shouting on the Maidan, this is the preparation of weapons, and against their own. On the internet, news flashed with the mention of the "Russian right sector" did the Vlasovites start up? They beat a guy who returned from Ukraine where he participated in anti-fascist rallies, and I remembered the case described on this site, when a handful of the same Vlasovites tore St. George ribbons from their cars
  28. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 5 May 2014 09: 27
    .
    All the same, this is only the beginning, by the autumn everything will be covered in blood up to the ears. In Russia, by the way, everything also goes to this. There "people" were "simply against the thief of Yanukovych." In Russia, there will be "just against the tyrant Putin," but the result is the same, everyone is silent and goes to work while a couple of thousand scumbags walk around the country and cut people.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 May 2014 10: 02
      +8
      In Russia, there will be "just against the tyrant Putin", but the result is the same, everyone is silent and goes to work while a couple of thousand scumbags walk around the country and cut people.

      What are you talking about now?
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 5 May 2014 11: 39
        -3
        http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1681649.html
        And this is about it. In Ukraine, everything began in exactly the same way, "onizhedeti" peacefully protested, and nothing foreshadowed what was happening now. But it is clear with us that this can never be, with us everything is completely different. All around, smart people go to serious work, solve issues, the police are on guard. We do not have our own "ultras" or fascists, no one went to the swamp, well, maybe ten thousand, a drop in the ocean. I am sure if I wrote 5 months ago that they would burn people alive in the center of Odessa, you would write in the same way
        What are you talking about now?
        Usually the next question people ask is, it sounds like this: how did it happen, but it didn’t portend anything.
        But by the way, ours are completely separate from theirs, and they receive money from different hands, and the manuals are different, and in general this is completely different. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmzse15CUAANUj2.jpg:large
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 5 May 2014 11: 52
          +2
          Well, let's start with the fact that we already had more than one Swamp. And attacks on the police were other provocations. Came out such a big, delicious PUK. Comparing unauthorized rallies and protecting your home from militant youngsters, the junta is not at all acceptable. Our Russian fifth column is trying by all means to undermine a stable and peaceful life. Everything will be used.
          Time perfectly puts everything in its place, then the question usually arises - how did it happen, it didn’t portend anything.

          Everything foreshadowed there, just could not believe it. In Ukraine, long preparation has led to today's result. For 23 years, false information has been imprinted in people's heads. The militants were training. Psychological treatment was carried out. So your examples go by tight formation.
        2. allexx83
          allexx83 5 May 2014 22: 43
          +3
          Exactly. If six months ago someone had said that a civil war would begin in Ukraine, everyone would have twisted their fingers to their temples. Minus as much as you like, but ... SAVE THE COUNTRY. Putin is not young. and there are dissatisfied. And there are people who are ready to sell their souls to anyone. Including among your friends. And ultras are not virtual. You have no idea what it means to be alone against a crowd of brutal youngsters (just yesterday - ordinary boys and girls) and acquaintances who have sharply dropped the bar - all as one shout "Glory to the Bulk" (God forbid! - it's me for clarity). In Russia, the ultras are either on the 13th or 15th of May, some kind of movement is outlined. Be carefull.
          It also seemed to me that all around are sensible people who understand what is good, what is bad. NIFIGA they do not understand and do not want to understand.
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 5 May 2014 10: 25
      +5
      Quote: chunga-changa
      All the same, this is only the beginning, by the autumn everything will be covered in blood up to the ears. In Russia, by the way, everything also goes to this. There "people" were "simply against the thief of Yanukovych." In Russia, there will be "just against the tyrant Putin," but the result is the same, everyone is silent and goes to work while a couple of thousand scumbags walk around the country and cut people.

      Go wake up stupid person. Thanks to the moderators.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 5 May 2014 11: 47
        +2
        Yes, yes, my head is in the sand, "you are drunk and not smart, we will never have this, the people around me will not allow this, the moderators will put things in order", good luck.
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  29. Ross
    Ross 5 May 2014 09: 44
    +4
    Quote: Sergey7311
    There were two downed helicopters, not three. Two different militias chalked up the same MI-24. But two "crocodiles" in a day is also not bad!

    Plus two Mi-8 damaged. Not bad.
  30. Gagarin
    Gagarin 5 May 2014 09: 53
    +3
    I will answer many "couch warriors", THE ARMENIANS HAVE EXTREMELY FEW WEAPONS.
    With the visibility of the guys with machine guns on the steps of the RSA in Donetsk, the bulk are unarmed or weakly armed with devils.
    And against them there are helicopters, armored personnel carriers, mercenaries, that’s how it’s going to be, shots of dropping corpses from their armor are proof of this.
    1. The point
      The point 5 May 2014 14: 03
      +1
      Speaking of birds. Only now in the news on Channel 5 did I see Maxim's machine gun at the barricade. Is that also Putin sent? Or is it that PEOPLE are arming themselves with whatever is possible?
  31. gen-48
    gen-48 5 May 2014 09: 55
    +10
    Odessa is no longer a hero city. 3 days have passed and what? So mired in sorrow that they allow decorators to continue wandering around the city and make some demands. In addition to several hundred citizens, the police have more, there are no Odessa residents left to see. Ostrich politics will not lead to anything good. The creature got away with it, further impunity will lead to even worse consequences. These understand only power, it is useless to talk to them, as well as rely on some kind of courts. Really it didn’t reach the people that the most terrible crime of cynicism had occurred. 20 years of propaganda really washed the brains of most of the inhabitants of this flawed territory.
  32. Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 May 2014 09: 58
    +3
    Russia is already suing an international court. But this is not enough, and I think it is useless. The United States and the EU have more than once been convicted of lies and have more than once become the instigators of war. And the court, which is also in the EU, will only be a farce.
    You just need to curtail all cooperation, primarily with the United States. AT ALL. No engines, import, delivery to the ISS and so on. They want to isolate Russia, well, what they have achieved - Russia must isolate itself from the west. If the situation continues to escalate, break off relations with countries whose military are on the territory of Ukraine. They don’t understand in this case ... perhaps we’ll continue with the patient himself, breaking ties with Germany, as the main accomplice of the United States in this bloody circus (by the way, the United Kingdom is silent, why would it?). At the same time, develop ties with China and other countries of the Pacific region that do not support the United States and its Code. Switch to payment in rubles and RMB.
    It is interesting when the EU will remember that it will be winter in a few months. And it will be cold. And gas to Ukraine will be cut off (does anyone still doubt this?) At the end of May. And Ukraine has nothing to transport gas to the EU, the storage facilities are half-empty ... So let's look at the "friendship of peoples" and "European values". We need to stock up on crackers and kvass.
  33. Serg7281
    Serg7281 5 May 2014 10: 00
    +13
    And where are our "vaunted human rights activists" headed by Makarevich, Nemtsov, etc. ??? why don't they now go out to Red Square with their placards "Peace to the world", "We are against the war." Apparently they did not receive a signal from their owners, and it is not handy to brand "theirs" as something
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor 5 May 2014 11: 00
      +6
      Yes ... Nemtsov and other demshiza it is clear. You do not expect anything good from them. And here are two musicians whom I really respected before, on whose music it generally grew beyond the bounds. Yura-musician, you came to Chechnya, you performed in front of the military! I had your autograph in my ID card (there was no other paper at hand). He sang good songs, people respected you. What about the shas? How come you turned into scum? Well are you silent? Come on, go to Odessa, give concerts of the world before the law-breakers! And grab the second musician, a curly-haired fellow for pacifism, one more scum! And to you, the creature, there is more hatred than to the right-wingers. Those enemies, everything is clear there. And you? Burn in hell.
  34. teron
    teron 5 May 2014 10: 05
    +3
    A gloomy prospect emerges of receiving an absolutely hostile state on the border. It is necessary to break this trend now - to help rebels in the south and east with weapons, train militias, throw special groups to carry out sabotage and eliminate the leaders of radicals and punitive groups. To tear south and east from Ukraine, weakening the emerging Nazi state as much as possible. It is advisable to keep the remnants of Ukraine at the level of the banana republic, and even more desirable is that there be an internal split along the lines of Ukrainians / Galicians. Cynical, pragmatic and tough.
  35. ed65b
    ed65b 5 May 2014 10: 13
    +5
    Yesterday, infa leaked that Crimean militias approached, if the truth pleases. The junta does not have the strength to take control of the city, so they are fighting on short visits, they dropped in and fired at the location in the evening. to take control of the city with the establishment of roadblocks around the city and the creation of a loyal junta police from the locals does not work, the people in the mass are against, and to smear forces, so one infantryman will approach Donetsk. There is no one to fight. Of course, looking at the pictures with a string of armored personnel carriers and bunches of "warriors" on the armor immediately suggests an analogy with the first assault on Grozny. A classic ambush with RPG and machine gun fire at once would have destroyed most of the "nasty" army. Apparently there are no funds and forces. (Maybe Kadyrov should have thought about sending instructors from the "former"?) Ossetians seem to have gathered for help.
  36. shamil
    shamil 5 May 2014 10: 45
    +1
    Is there anyone from Slavic on the forum?
    1. mnbv199
      mnbv199 5 May 2014 13: 29
      0
      http://torum.org/index.php?topic=7711.2670

      http://torum.org/index.php?topic=7702.1320

      Only there are more brainwashed people there.
  37. shamil
    shamil 5 May 2014 10: 45
    0
    Is there anyone from Slavic on the forum?
  38. pensioner
    pensioner 5 May 2014 11: 07
    +1
    Each participant Ukrainian billionaires promised payments from $ 2000 to $ 5000 for one active day of the operation.

    Something tells me that at the end of all this mess, the Airborne Forces and National Guardsmen for ... try to prove to Kolomoisky and Taruta that there were more than one "active" days ...
    1. yushch
      yushch 5 May 2014 11: 33
      +2
      So that's why they "capture cities and destroy hundreds of checkpoints every day"
  39. yushch
    yushch 5 May 2014 11: 28
    +1
    At the moment, the confrontation has not yet taken the form of serious hostilities, but this is not far off already. We in Russia took place about 20 years ago. Therefore, when we hear about cleared settlements and destroyed block posts with almost min. loss, for us it seems strange. We have long been fighting for an adult.
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  41. Leshka
    Leshka 5 May 2014 12: 07
    +1
    as Hitler and Barborosa did
  42. leo44
    leo44 5 May 2014 12: 09
    +2
    UN and OSCE no longer serve peace! States and the EU are fueling! The world community is supported by anti-people terror and fascism! It is a fact!
    They are the world "civilized" community, a bunch of homoupyrs brought Ukraine to a citizen!
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 5 May 2014 13: 06
      0
      Quote: leo44
      UN and OSCE no longer serve peace!

      And when did they serve? Especially the OSCE? How many conflicts have the UN prevented or extinguished. Only tribune for public squabble.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2014 13: 35
      +1
      Do not confuse the ass with your finger. The UN is a recommendation body. Any UN decision can be blocked by: Russia, USA, China. One vote is enough, any of the countries. US presses a button? Good. On the next agenda, China will press a button. AND? But nothing. The UN is no longer working. The US invasion of Yugoslavia was contrary to the UN vote. The entry of Russian troops into Georgia (Abkhazia) was approved by China - the United States was silent. About the OSCE - i.e. Council of Europe, I’m generally silent - neither the United States, nor Russia, nor China will ask Europe for an opinion. The UN was originally a stupid undertaking, a mirage for weak states, for the powers that be spit on the UN.
  43. Andrey77
    Andrey77 5 May 2014 13: 26
    +1
    help weapons to rebels in the south and east, train militias, abandon special groups for sabotage and eliminate the leaders of radicals and punitive groups.

    Not that scale. I am sure that special groups are already abandoned. But for another purpose - the introduction of the junta into the state apparatus. I would do so, the GDP is more visible. =)
  44. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 5 May 2014 13: 37
    +1
    GUYS JOIN !!!!!........

    UN Security Council: Introduce Russian peacekeeping troops in the South-East of Ukraine

    Naturally, the introduction of RF peacekeepers is possible only by order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces. The contingent from any other country the people of the Southeast will not accept! Trust is only in the Russian army! Perhaps we will not achieve anything, even most likely, but let everyone know that such an opinion exists and it enjoys the support of the people!
    http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v
    oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? thkRuhb
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2014 13: 57
      +2
      Saakashvili shot at our peacekeepers. Georgian-Abkhaz conflict. Do you still want to lose ours? The Armed Forces of Ukraine are an order of magnitude stronger than the Georgian. Peacekeepers, in a country where there is a civil war, have nothing to do. My opinion.
  45. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 5 May 2014 16: 43
    0
    If the pravoseks liked to kill, then they should now like to die. We need to help the guys.
    1. kaa_andrey
      kaa_andrey 5 May 2014 16: 58
      0
      not! they live live!
      1. Bob
        Bob 6 May 2014 19: 45
        0
        And why is this Yakubovich not in the pit, but with tea and in health? Now, if you only imagine how Caucasian freedom fighters would act in a similar situation ....
        Only the inevitability of punishment for crimes, for the killing and burning of civilians in the Southeast can curb these creatures.
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 9 May 2014 14: 42
          0
          The punishment will be. Maybe not right now, but it will be. Someone will choke in the pool, someone will fall from a height ...
  46. ssskalinin
    ssskalinin 5 May 2014 17: 05
    +2
    Until May 9, nothing to be decided. The option of economic execution of the junta is preferable, although it will take 2-3 months.
  47. raf
    raf 5 May 2014 19: 27
    +2
    Export the Kiev junta with pravosekami to the United States so that there they staged the same "revolution" as in Ukraine!
    1. Bob
      Bob 6 May 2014 19: 48
      0
      Quote: raf
      Export the Kiev junta with the right-wingers in the usa

      Yes, there is already a movement "Occupy Wall Street", you just need to fan the fire and the chains that keep the whole world in the nets of war will collapse.
  48. skeptik2999
    skeptik2999 6 May 2014 02: 26
    +2
    And here are two musicians whom I really respected before, on whose music it generally grew beyond the bounds. Yura-musician, you came to Chechnya, you performed in front of the military! I had your autograph in my ID card (there was no other paper at hand). He sang good songs, people respected you. What about the shas? How come you turned into scum? Well are you silent? Come on, go to Odessa, give concerts of the world before the law-breakers! And grab the second musician, a curly-haired fellow for pacifism, one more scum! And to you, the creature, there is more hatred than to the right-wingers. Those enemies, everything is clear there. And you? Burn in hell.
    In order to condemn musicians for their words spoken at the beginning of the crisis, it is necessary to give them the opportunity to express their position now (after Odessa and the attacks of law enforcement officers in the Donetsk region) and only then make their judgment
  49. ava09
    ava09 6 May 2014 13: 42
    0
    The author of this article, E. Rozhkov, should be more careful with the wording: "Some of the" air ", and some of the MANPADS."
  50. Bob
    Bob 6 May 2014 19: 25
    0
    This is a war, but what if it is not a war ...?
    The war against the Russian world. The war unleashed by the West. War of annihilation.
    The West placed its stake in the fight against Russia on Ukrainian nationalism, which has already grown into fascism - punitive actions in Odessa, in the South-East. Despite all the warnings, the West sanctioned and organized the military actions of Kiev in the Southeast, it woke up "famously", released a terrible force from which Europe and Russia and many other peoples of the world suffered in the 20th century, and paid a very high price ... They released the "genie" from the bottle, and now it is gaining strength right in front of our eyes, feeding on the souls of those killed and only raging and rejoicing in its "victories", demanding new victims, new bloodshed, because Nazi ideology is the ideology of murder as a way of self-affirmation creatures.
    Thus, the goals of the war, its instigators, the executors, and the victims, who are destined for a sad fate, are defined. Based on this, it is required to act in accordance with all the canons of the art of war.
    You cannot indulge yourself with persuasion (they will rave and stop) that everything will end - no, it will not end, these scum are now attacking the South-East, and tomorrow they will easily cross the border with Russia and will attack and kill until they achieve their goals - weakening and destruction of the state ... Let's get a situation in Russia like Israel, which lives in a state of war (a gun under a pillow), and sorties are arranged by an endless stream of Palestinian terrorists in the struggle for their "legal" rights, and so on for an endless number of years.
    I won’t be surprised if it turns out that it’s precisely the Ukrainian nationalists who will replace the Caucasians on the field of the terrorist war in Russia, and God forbid if this happens, you just need to be prepared for this and fully armed, ready to be attacked not by people of Caucasian appearance, but Slavic faces appearance - what else can you call it if not a fratricidal war. And everything must be done to prevent this from happening, but after all, the battles are already taking place and are taking place very close in Slavyansk and Kromatorsk, Odessa and Donetsk. And at any moment, trained detachments for sabotage activities will be on this side of the border ... Here you need to be fully equipped. And it is very important not to miss the moment in time until this evil has grown to a universal scale.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 8 May 2014 16: 10
      0
      "and tomorrow they will easily cross the border with Russia"
      =
      Maybe enough slogans? Have you personally tried to cross the border? It is not as easy as it seems. Bob, are you retyping?