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The war in Ukraine and the apparent inaction of Russia

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The war in Ukraine and the apparent inaction of Russia


Well, the continuation was not slow to follow. At this time, the army, diluted by the National Guard, the sectorans, and even, they say, their English-speaking colleagues, planned and prepared for the assault much more seriously, and acted more decisively. This confirms the message about the change in the leadership of the operation (Nalyvaychenko instead of Avakov) and indicates the determination of the commanders to shed blood, including civilians.

As a result of the assault, the minimum program (to crush checkpoints around the perimeter and block the city) was reached by the military. Maximum program, i.e. the complete destruction of the armed opposition and the cleansing of Slavyansk failed due to competent tactics and coordinated actions of the militia. Resistance was clearly stronger than expected, as evidenced by the two destroyed assault helicopters Mi-24 and the padded Mi-8 (these are losses comparable to those in Afghanistan). Calling what is happening an antiterrorist operation is hypocrisy, because both the casualties and the nature of the military operations correspond to the average general military operation, and not to the suppression of a handful of terrorists. It remains only to state that the new civil war is gaining momentum.

Shoot down an armored helicopter without air defense weapons is very difficult. The helicopter pilots obviously did not expect such surprises and didn’t seem to be very cautious, not bothering to maneuver, and therefore received a gift from the ATGM (perhaps from one of the captured BMD), and maybe from the RPG. Hence, the allegations that special forces of Russia are acting among the rebels are a lie: knowing in advance about this, you would be more careful. Yes, and it would not have come to the assault, if the special forces acted - first of all, they would deprive the military of command, then they would block the supply of fuel and ammunition, then nighttime attacks on sleeping camps, panic and demoralization of personnel, etc.

The military announced that the insurgents used anti-tank guided missiles of Russian origin against the turntables. Interestingly, they made such a conclusion on the flight path of the missiles, either by holes in helicopters? However, if the BMD and their ammunition were made back in the USSR, then this statement can still be considered a half-truth.

It should be noted the high moral level of the defenders. IN the news there is no talk of prisoners, which means they were retreating in an organized manner, they did not abandon their own. The same cannot be said about the pilot of the downed helicopter, who left his wounded comrade in a wrecked car and fled, taking him weapon and documents. They write that the pilots were well paid for this flight - quite plausibly, and mercenaries behave. Probably, after the use of NURSs, at the militia checkpoints, the escaped flyer had a good idea of ​​what they could do to him when they were caught (everyone measures for himself). But if there were a lot of support helicopters, why not? If they were afraid of shelling, they could at least cover their comrades with fire until the rescuers arrived. It seems that in the army, in contrast, with morality is not so hot.

Clashes occurred in other cities, probably in a similar scenario, which will inevitably lead to the unification of the militias of the entire Southeast and to the mass distribution of weapons to them (which they have not done yet with caution).

The absence of a visible reaction of Russia to what is happening is surprising to many, but, perhaps, it is natural. Given the determination of the new leadership of the operation, it was simply unrealistic to stop it by cross-border exercises, as last week; New teachings or other demonstrations of popular self-defense support would only play into the hands of the provisional government’s propaganda.

Although it may sound immoral, in the Donbass so far radically nothing has changed, in any case, from the point of view of the interim government - just a new balance has been established (although the rates have, of course, increased). Storming the city for the army will not be easy and will require at least serious preparation, otherwise Slavyansk will turn into Stalingrad. Introducing armored vehicles into the city is dangerous, and using heavy weapons across squares, i.e. to put the civilian population at risk is, by all standards, a war crime and a direct reminder of Tskhinval. The most reasonable tactic for the military is a complete blockade of the city and a war of attrition, but this will also lead to humanitarian disaster among the population due to lack of food (as well as possible interruptions in water, sewage, electricity, fuel and telephone). They will not let anyone out of the city because of the fear that civilians may leak out of the blockade and the rebels. Keeping a city under siege for a long time will also be difficult - it binds the troops that may be needed elsewhere. The military are already in hostile territory and it is not clear how and for what means they are provided. In such a situation, supply lines are their most vulnerable spot.

It is obvious that after the events in the Donbass and the massacre in Odessa, Russia cannot stay idle. On the other hand, the entry of the Russian army at the moment will look like the rescue of drowning people and will not help the image of the liberator. The ideal option is for the interim government of Ukraine to be overthrown by Ukrainians, whom Russia can organize and arm. To do this, may be involved Crimeans or Ukrainians working in Russia, which are much more than a million. These are healthy, battle-worthy men, who hardly have any special sympathy for the provisional government. So it was in civilian when the Makhnovists, together with units of the Red Army (which also had many Ukrainians), knocked Petlyura out of Ukraine, Germans and white remnants (by the way, Makhno himself received one of the first orders of the Red Banner for this). So it was in World War II, when the Ukrainian patriots exterminated the nationalists, who were on the path of post-war construction and the restoration of normal life in the country.

The interim government of Ukraine reserves running out. The treasury is empty, and to maintain and provide for mercenaries is an expensive pleasure. There is no need to wait for money from sponsors until the suppression of the opposition (who will give if they lose?) For the sake of self-preservation, temporary workers simply have to take more and more radical steps.

Deadlines too tight. Victory Day is coming; I will be surprised if big events do not start by this date or earlier. Then - a referendum in the Donbass, which is critical both for its population and for Russia. At the end of May, presidential elections are scheduled for Ukraine, which Russia cannot allow and which at the moment and in this form do not meet the interests of the people of Ukraine.

We are waiting for the further development of events.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 5 May 2014 09: 41
    +19
    To do this, Crimeans or Ukrainians working in Russia, which are much more than a million, can be involved. These are healthy, battle-worthy men who are unlikely to have special sympathies for the interim government.



    I totally agree.

    There are several million of them in RUSSIA, and if they are well organized and equipped, this force will be able to reach Kiev.
    1. Letun
      Letun 5 May 2014 09: 58
      +6
      Quote: The same Lech
      To do this, Crimeans or Ukrainians working in Russia, which are much more than a million, can be involved. These are healthy, battle-worthy men who are unlikely to have special sympathies for the interim government.



      I totally agree.

      There are several million of them in RUSSIA, and if they are well organized and equipped, this force will be able to reach Kiev.

      Nonsense. For Ukrainians living in Ukraine Ukrainians living in Russia will have to fight? Enchanting!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 5 May 2014 10: 03
        +9
        For Ukrainians living in Ukraine Ukrainians living in Russia will have to fight?

        Well, firstly, not only living but also working on a rotational basis.
        This is the second time. Do you really think that some VANIA will be at war from the village of GADYUKINO.
        All the same, a person who has grown up and has absorbed everything that she gave him must fight for her MOTHERLAND.
        Enchanting! Hehe such simple truths and enchanting.

        And the concept of mother is that a fake or something?
      2. gandalf
        gandalf 5 May 2014 10: 10
        +10
        This means that Ukrainians living in Ukraine will have to fight the Ukrainians living in Ukraine who came to work in Russia ...
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 5 May 2014 10: 34
          +10
          Quote: gandalf
          It means that Ukrainians living in Ukraine will have to fight Ukrainians living in Ukraine who came to work in Russia
          - and they still continue to work quietly with such events? what Well, if they are stupid, isn't it time to explain that the Motherland is in danger and it's time to put things in order? What kind of attitude towards the Motherland? And work, and sleep, and eat at the same time they are calm? Nu-nu. If there were a million of them, and the same million continues to work quietly, then maybe the Ukrainians deserve such a homeland? And if you are completely cynical and zectoque, then they did not deserve any Homeland, sweep away Ukraine to Russia, more precisely, the territory, and let these "workers" wander around the world and dream about their land, as the Kurds in the BV and the Uyghurs in the PRC now dream also at one time quietly "worked" and "refined". The Jews have already returned something for themselves, the Kurds are very close, the Uyghurs have no chance of shining, just like the Tibetans. Well, those who, during such events, levkas Russian apartments, saying "let them do what they want, I need money!", Have a real chance to be damned descendants, because the golden calf did not lead to good.
          1. shtanko.49
            shtanko.49 5 May 2014 12: 46
            +4
            And where are the 400 thousand miners? Are they waiting for semolina porridge from Russia, or heavenly blessings from law-makers?
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        3. matross
          matross 5 May 2014 11: 21
          +5
          Quote: gandalf
          Ukrainians living in Ukraine will have to fight for Ukrainians living in Ukraine who came to work in Russia ...

          This is not just unrealistic - it is a childhood dream. Who and how in Russia will mobilize thousands of gastrik with dill passports who come here to work, earn and feed their families, how do they like to repeat ?! How and on what basis will they arm them? Train and carry out combat knocking together? Where? On Russian territory? This is called an illegal armed formation, if anyone does not know! Remember Anders Army? Hrenovy example!
          1. Biolant
            Biolant 5 May 2014 12: 51
            0
            Base? Help Russian in Ukraine.
            They will be armed with weapons of arms, like infantry units.
            To train - experts of MO. not far from the border with Ukraine, or in training centers, and from there by aviation to the border. What is the name of the right sector? Something no one understands. And for that matter, the entire SE has already been called separatists, why be afraid?
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 5 May 2014 20: 48
            +1
            Quote: matRoss
            This is not just unrealistic - it is a childhood dream. Who and how in Russia will mobilize thousands of gastrik with dill passports who come here to work, earn and feed their families, how do they like to repeat ?!

            Yes them not necessary and impossible mobilize everyone!
            But from them it is possible, with the normal work of special services, "non-state" structures to recruit several hundred (thousand) volunteers. Particularly ardent (otherwise there are those who, while working in Russia, consider it possible to "let go" Bandera "propaganda"), expel, and tax the rest (paid work visa, work patent) to compensate for the costs of volunteers.
      3. zzz
        zzz 5 May 2014 10: 29
        +5
        Quote: Letun
        Nonsense. For Ukrainians living in Ukraine Ukrainians living in Russia will have to fight? Enchanting!


        And what is the "nonsense"? A lot of Ukrainians work in Russia with Ukrainian passports. They come to work, and why do you think that they will not defend their Little Homeland if they are given weapons? They still have families in Ukraine!
        1. PRN
          PRN 5 May 2014 13: 05
          +3
          There are a lot of people working from the territory of Ukraine, but not everything is so single-purpose. Among them there are immigrants from Banderistan who unfastened 200.000 grams on the Maidan. There are immigrants from the East who do not tolerate these banderlogs. This is where our UFMS needs to work to screen out unwanted elements in Russia.
      4. aktanir
        aktanir 5 May 2014 10: 33
        +8
        Russia can’t get into hell, not in this case, even though the blood of our brothers is shed there now. I think the Ukrainians of the southeast will not be happy if, instead of disagreement and bloodshed at the local level, we get a real batch with the participation of Russia, the Americans, NATO, that is, the third world war in its purest form. Climbing is dangerous, Russia is much more needed for the residents of Donbass, Lugansk, Kharkov and, for example, Odessa as a powerful economic partner that will support in difficult times and help them get out of their knees when they rake with their problems. If Russia can be drawn into a civil war, then there will be sanctions, and you will have to save yourself, and not someone else. That's all. In the meantime, of course, one could help the militias with good modern weapons, information, intelligence, and volunteers.
      5. Sanglier
        Sanglier 5 May 2014 10: 46
        +1
        Not just Ukrainians, but citizens of Ukraine, which is not the same thing. It is just that among Russians there are many Russians and people of other nationalities. And yet, the word SHOULD somehow annoying, be careful with it ...
      6. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 5 May 2014 11: 01
        +4
        Quote: Letun
        Nonsense. For Ukrainians living in Ukraine Ukrainians living in Russia will have to fight? Enchanting!

        In the arena of the civil war in Ukraine, a new, unforeseen force may appear. In the very near future, units of the Ukrainian People's Liberation Army (UNOA), whose formation is coming to an end, will enter the battle.

        Judging by this information, the army is practically created. But an excerpt from an interview with one of the commanders:
        Do you admit that after the overthrow of the junta, the western regions will want to secede?

        - I myself am a Zapadenets, originally from Volhynia. And there are, if not most, then at least half of those in UNOA. A significant part of our fighters are those who work in Russia. And this is mainly - zapadentsy. It is not worth considering that all residents of Lviv, Uzhgorod, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lutsk are all Bandera residents. We must not forget that it was the inhabitants of Western Ukraine who became the main victims of the UPA bandits, and that the fighter battalions, self-defense units, and police units involved in the destruction of Bandera gangs consisted of local residents. A significant part of zapadentsev works today in Russia and is vitally interested in good relations between our countries. Do not think that only people like Muzychko live in the West of the country. Most are normal people. But they are intimidated today.

        - What is the number of UNOA?

        - I can tell you only our mobilization reserve in Russia. About 5 million Ukrainians work here. Even one percent of this number will be 50 thousand. This is enough to crush the junta. We also accept citizens of other countries — Russia, Belarus, and Armenia — into our ranks. We are supported by the Cossacks of Russia. As, I said, we are interacting with the Resistance of the Southeast. We have enough strength. There is no shortage of trained personnel.


        Read fully http://continentalist.ru/2014/05/formiruetsya-ukrainskaya-narodno-osvoboditelnay
        a-armiya /
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        2. Roman1970
          Roman1970 5 May 2014 12: 36
          +1
          Hmm, I read the info from the link ... I don’t even know how to look at this UNOA ... They say it’s beautiful, but the name is very similar, familiar ...
      7. Biolant
        Biolant 5 May 2014 12: 42
        0
        Nonsense. For Ukrainians living in Ukraine Ukrainians living in Russia will have to fight? Enchanting!

        Not true, Ukrainians only work in Russia, and families live in Ukraine, so they will fight for Ukraine and their families.
      8. salamandra2826
        salamandra2826 5 May 2014 17: 31
        0
        And who should lay down his head for you? Major Vetchinov didn't have a spare head. That's right, let the house be put in order. Perhaps you won't have to go to Russia to earn money. Otherwise "my house" will wait out in Russia and go to the ready. And we have a lot of Westerners working where loot ...
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 5 May 2014 10: 05
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      To do this, Crimeans or Ukrainians working in Russia, which are much more than a million, can be involved. These are healthy, battle-worthy men who are unlikely to have special sympathies for the interim government.



      I totally agree.

      There are several million of them in RUSSIA, and if they are well organized and equipped, this force will be able to reach Kiev.


      Not sure. Many of these people, although they work in Russia, and some live here, are also poisoned by the Great Ukrainian propaganda. Help is only possible with volunteers and weapons, of course.
      Volunteers are already coming.
      "The paratroopers of South Ossetia announced a recruitment of volunteers to be sent to Ukraine.
      The Union of Paratroopers of South Ossetia and the United Ossetia Party have announced a recruitment of volunteers from among the veterans of the 1989-2008 war to send to help the civilian population of southeastern Ukraine. "
      http://warfiles.ru/show-54978-desantniki-yuzhnoy-osetii-obyavili-nabor-dobrovolc
      ev-dlya-otpravki-v-ukrainu.html

      And the borders are already open in some places.
      "The self-defense forces of Lugansk" opened "the Russian-Ukrainian border.



      23:37
      Self-defense forces of Lugansk "opened" the Russian-Ukrainian border
      Self-defense forces of Lugansk "opened" the Russian-Ukrainian border
      Near s. Yuganovka Lugansk region armed self-defense fighters blocked the border guards and, under the threat of using weapons, were taken away to an unknown destination. This is stated in the official message of the Ministry of Internal Affairs:

      “3 May in 15: 50 received a message from the duty department of the State Border Service of Ukraine that 3 May in 15: 10 is near s. Uganovka (Stanichno-Lugansk region) armed unidentified persons under threat of use of weapons were forcibly taken away in an unknown direction to the servicemen of the Border Service Department of the Village of Luganskaya, armed with service guns who served in the Niva service vehicle, the message said.

      Thus, the first "corridor" on the Russian-Ukrainian border has been opened. "
      http://warfiles.ru/show-54966-sily-samooborony-luganska-vskryli-rossiysko-ukrain
      skuyu-granicu.html
      1. nahalenok911
        nahalenok911 5 May 2014 10: 27
        0
        Quote: mamont5
        Not sure. Many of these people, although they work in Russia, and some live here, are also poisoned by Great Ukrainian propaganda.


        If these people are "protoukry", then, in general, what are they talking about?
    3. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 5 May 2014 10: 24
      +5
      Quote: The same Lech
      To do this, Crimeans or Ukrainians working in Russia, which are much more than a million, can be involved. These are healthy, battle-worthy men who are unlikely to have special sympathies for the interim government.



      I totally agree.

      There are several million of them in RUSSIA, and if they are well organized and equipped, this force will be able to reach Kiev.

      Wouldn't be too clever. There are several days until May 9th. The main thing is not to let the infection hide. Modern means of tracking allow, it seems, not to lose "Heroes of the peaceful mandan". Kiev uyo ... kam should remember this!
    4. altman
      altman 5 May 2014 10: 39
      +8
      I work together with a Ukrainian who came here 10 years ago .. I ask why you are here now .. because in Ukraine blood is pouring. He replied - Yes, to x .. I need this Ukraine .. So I strongly doubt that someone living in Russia will twitch very much and will go shed blood for Ukraine now ..
      1. Platov
        Platov 5 May 2014 12: 55
        +1
        The question is posed with an edge or you will record or quickly collect clothes and run to your small homeland, without the right to enter Russia.
    5. Lawless
      Lawless 5 May 2014 10: 55
      +2
      Two weeks ago, the entire able-bodied population left for Russia to work.
    6. Ross
      Ross 5 May 2014 11: 06
      +4
      Latest Information from Strelkova: everything is calm, tightly blocked in Slavyansk Konstantinovka | Russian spring

      “According to 4 of May, they did not make a report. Few things can be brought to the public eye - they mainly engaged in reorganization and replenishment of detachments. Tomorrow morning we plan to do it immediately in two days. ”

      In short, then:

      “Everything is calm in Slavyansk. Konstantinovka was tightly blocked — he threw up reserves there a few hours ago — since the assault could begin in the morning — they had to take at least some town to report.

      In the afternoon, we cleaned the Slavic Resort and “nibbled” a bit of the roadblock on the Rostov-Kharkov highway. There is no data on the enemy’s losses yet.
      After the shooting of people in Andreevka, the "National Guard" on the blocks (according to passing people) - "courtesy itself." And yesterday, the day before yesterday, local cars were turned inside out almost inside out. Apparently, an order was urgently issued to “improve the image.” ”

      Igor Ivanovich commented on the news that the Ukrainian military was tasked with clearing everything before 11 in the morning:

      “Wishlist they have envy. But the implementation is not very ... especially diligent performers are not enough ... It's one thing to go to Odessa and burn unarmed people, and quite another to visit us. After all, they never poked their head into the city ... despite all the numerical advantage. And in other places, too, “heroed” exclusively by “passage”, without getting involved in a serious battle. ”

      Comment on a video on the network where the patriots of Novorossia removed the composition with tanks, equipment and personnel of the Ukrainian army, which is sent to the Donbass:

      “Well, here, looking at the cars, do not remember the immortal:
      “Two tons of fertilizer for enemy fields:
      Forty men or eight horses "... ©".
      The most important thing! When asked about the desire of Russian patriots to help Slavyansk’s resistance financially, Igor Ivanovich answered the following:

      “Money is not needed. We need trained volunteers. ”
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 5 May 2014 12: 26
        0
        Comment on a video on the network where the patriots of Novorossia removed the composition with tanks, equipment and personnel of the Ukrainian army, which is sent to the Donbass:

        “Well, here, looking at the cars, do not remember the immortal:

        And I recall this:
        [media = http: //encyclopedia.mil.ru/files/morf/koncert2.jpg]

        And this:
        [media = http: //evrofilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/64.jpg]
    7. Andersen68
      Andersen68 5 May 2014 12: 35
      +1
      You probably meant to the Moldovan-Polish border. All Ukraine needs to be treated, partial amputation will not help much.
    8. Luga
      Luga 5 May 2014 13: 59
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      To do this, Crimeans or Ukrainians working in Russia, which are much more than a million, can be involved. These are healthy, battle-worthy men who are unlikely to have special sympathies for the interim government.

      Here I do not agree. We have a lot of Ukrainians working in St. Petersburg and among them there is the same confusion in opinions as in Ukraine in general. In one they only agree - to go now to fight home - fire. Some scold Yulia, others Rabbit, and third Putin, but for the most part they sit at their construction sites or where they still do not think to return. Rather, they will cling to each other in the throat. If they are forcibly returned to nenko - hatred of Russia will go off scale.
      All that has been said is a personal opinion based on personal observations and conversations.
      1. salamandra2826
        salamandra2826 5 May 2014 18: 18
        0
        One might think that hatred does not go off scale now. An operation is needed, there is a familiar chap. surgeon. he solves such problems.
    9. aleks700
      aleks700 5 May 2014 16: 11
      +1
      And how many of them are for Bandera?
    10. Siberian German
      Siberian German 6 May 2014 04: 46
      0
      what kind of Ukrainians are you talking about - that they work for us in the oil industry so I’ll tell you so this audience is still there - they mostly come from Bendery, but there are few people from eastern Ukraine - but send them there and leave them no means of subsistence this is a different question - the witness himself sent some money to Cherkasy and says to his friend - that our people have been sitting in Kiev since autumn to help
  2. bulvas
    bulvas 5 May 2014 09: 43
    +32
    It is necessary to send sabotage groups, to beat out the leaders of the junta, Yarosh, Kolomoisky and the rest
    The rest will scatter like this helicopter pilot

    Who escapes to the West - find and dunk

    Otherwise, these nonhumans will continue to pour blood
    1. starshina78
      starshina78 5 May 2014 10: 10
      +1
      Doing this under the auspices of the Russian special services is not worth it! You cannot give the Americans and their hangers-on from the EU a reason to accuse Russia of open military intervention! Russia is not yet strong enough to resist these scumbags. The only thing that Russia can do openly is to influence the situation through diplomatic means. Now the sanctions are cheeky, and if the sanctions are specific, then we will not laugh. This will happen if the EU, under the influence of the United States, begins to act like a kamikaze, that is, they adopt a new package of sanctions that will lead to a decrease in the level of production in the EU, and the closure of Western companies in Russia. True, there is one aspect of the participation of our military in Ukraine - these are volunteers who will go there without documents, without a name, in short, according to the principle "I am nobody and there is no way to call me."
      1. Sanglier
        Sanglier 5 May 2014 10: 51
        +2
        Well, why without documents. But, for example, the citizens of Moldova can not go home through Ukraine? The passport will say so ...
    2. werewolf
      werewolf 5 May 2014 10: 16
      +16
      WELL, LET'S SO ... THE SPECIALISTS ARE WORKING ... WHILE THE WAR OF TACTICS IS GOING ON ... BEFORE THE REAL BATTLE ... THERE WAS ONE FOR A TELEVISION IN KRAMATORSK ... ... THE NUCKLES REACH THE CITIES AND MEET AN MASSAGE OF LOCAL RESIDENTS ... ... WE WOULD BURN EVERYONE BUT NOT GIVE THE GRANDMAS WHO STANDED NEAR THE APCS AND MATYUGALS OF THE NAZIKS ... AT THE FIRST ATTACK ON THE SLAVIANS, THE ATO LEADER WAS ANYWHERE BY ACCIDENTAL KILLED BY THE ATO ... THIS IS ALL ... GEORGIAN COUNSELOR YAROSH, NETHERLAND HERPER, 15 ALPHA CAMPS ... NOW BY SNIPERS (ALL FROM THE REPORTS) ... INTERVIEW SHOOTERS: FILLED 3 SPECIALISTS ... BEFORE THIS ON THE HOOTUBE -THE COOL GUN ... LOSS OF "CHAMOMILE" BECAME 2 TO 1 !!! AND THIS IS THE PILOTS .... THE VERTUKHI BEAT ON THE GO WITH "FAGOTA" (WHAT A SKILL !!!) SO TO HOLD ... THE CITIES DO NOT RENT ... TIME WORKS FOR DONCHAN ...
      1. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich 5 May 2014 10: 36
        +4
        Comrade Werewolf! furiously plus you !!!
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 5 May 2014 11: 02
        +2
        Quote: Werwolf
        VERTUKHI BEAT ON THE GO WITH "FAGOTA" (WHAT A SKILL !!!) SO TO HOLD ...

        I looked the same a hundred times, there were no people there. there was a launcher and no stirring. The operator was also not in vain at the time of the shot against. sorry did not capture the result of the shooting.
    3. Andrew-88
      Andrew-88 5 May 2014 10: 59
      +3
      For those who flee west, we have a gift ...
    4. AnaBat
      AnaBat 5 May 2014 11: 50
      +2
      According to the latest statements of the militias, they are not going to sit back and wait for them to be burned. They are preparing plans to take Kiev! soldier
    5. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 5 May 2014 12: 40
      -2
      Sorry, my friend, you are either an indiot or a provocateur. Ukraine is a sovereign state, and your screams about sending sabotage groups pour water on the mill of the so-called "democratic" society, which requires sanctions against Russia with all the consequences, up to the introduction of peacekeepers, the creation of all kinds of zones and blockades ...
      1. Platov
        Platov 5 May 2014 13: 04
        +1
        "Ukraine is a sovereign state,"without a state border, that is, not a sovereign state.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 5 May 2014 09: 46
    +16
    What an interim government ?! JUNTA! BLOOD JUNT! Forgot the junta about 1945!
  4. mig31
    mig31 5 May 2014 09: 46
    +5
    I know one thing for sure, banderlogs, mercenaries, the CIA, FBI-KAPUT !!!, we will specify the number later ...
  5. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 5 May 2014 09: 46
    +12
    Competent article. I agree. We are waiting for the right time. Kiev drowns itself in blood.
    1. Lyubimov
      Lyubimov 5 May 2014 10: 24
      +3
      It’s a pity that he doesn’t drown himself in his own blood
  6. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 5 May 2014 09: 47
    +7
    Will reach everyone at last fool In addition to the fleet, there were also polls in Crimea wassat As I understand it, the special services + fully adequate local authority. And within the framework of our powers, what are we trying to achieve now? Entering troops based on anti-Maidan decisions? The same eggs, side view. When there will be unity, or at least sane leadership in the regions, then let's go. Everything!
  7. Sergg
    Sergg 5 May 2014 09: 49
    -1
    May 3, 2014 Punitive detachment of the National Guard throws off corpses near Kramatorsk

    http://vk.com/video206678918_168351139?list=28793ff5138658acc0

    Fascism in Ukraine is the main ideology of the Kiev Junta. Death to the Nazis !!!!
    1. Orik
      Orik 5 May 2014 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: Sergg
      May 3, 2014 Punitive detachment of the National Guard throws off corpses near Kramatorsk

      It is not clear whose corpses, but judging by the deathly silence of not ours.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 May 2014 10: 34
      +3
      Quote: Sergg
      May 3, 2014 Punitive detachment of the National Guard throws off corpses near Kramatorsk

      It looks more like a video from Chechnya in 2000 or so.
      1. Coffee_time
        Coffee_time 5 May 2014 14: 08
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It looks more like a video from Chechnya in 2000 or so.

        I agree, a refutation has already been issued to this video, this is in Chechnya in the second company
    3. BYV
      BYV 5 May 2014 14: 17
      0
      Quote: Sergg
      http://vk.com/video206678918_168351139?list=28793ff5138658acc0

      Fake. Video filmed in Dagestan. On YouTube, you can see the date of placement.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwT52d4vK6A
  8. Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 5 May 2014 09: 50
    +3
    Attention, in the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics there are Croatian mercenaries posing as Serbian correspondents. They provide logistics to snipers and saboteurs. They are armed and very dangerous. They have escaped the war in Bosnia. The main weapons are hidden in bumpers. Undercover niches or a pallet fixed at the bottom of the XKER. NO VOLUNTEERS AND MEDIA REPRESENTATIVES ON THE TERRITORY OF FREE REPUBLIC
  9. desant_doktor
    desant_doktor 5 May 2014 09: 51
    +7
    The window at the border, according to the reports of competent comrades, is already there, so we can't start taking measures. Speaking of the downing of helicopters ... In 1993 (EMNP) in Somalia in Mogadishu niggers warlord Aidid is the RPG - 7 filled up two "Black Hawk Down." It turned out to be quite an effective weapon against helicopters, despite the fact that it was created for something completely different.
  10. Giant thought
    Giant thought 5 May 2014 09: 52
    +1
    Russia needs to more actively help the southeast, diplomatic expression of deep concern and condolences will not be enough. Practical measures are needed, such as financing self-defense units, assistance in their armaments, in medicines, etc. , and hurry up with the creation and deployment of the national liberation army of Ukraine.
  11. les103284
    les103284 5 May 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Only when the majority of Ukrainian citizens understand to what abyss the current self-styled Ukrainian leadership is leading, a turning point in consciousness will occur and the thesis "my house is on the edge" will not be relevant. It's a pity that everything is dragging on, people are dying, but retribution will be inevitable! As for the assistance to Russia, it will certainly be!
    1. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 5 May 2014 11: 10
      0
      Quote: les103284
      Only when the majority of Ukrainian citizens understand to what abyss the current self-styled Ukrainian leadership is leading, a turning point in consciousness will occur and the thesis "my house is on the edge" will not be relevant

      I completely agree with you, but as I understand it, people do not have reliable information. How and what can the population understand from what they observe by box?
  12. alexng
    alexng 5 May 2014 09: 56
    +5
    What power, what junta? This is a brainless beast infected with rabies, which is subject to liquidation and burying on cattle burial grounds.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 5 May 2014 10: 04
      +4
      Quote: alexneg
      This is a brainless beast infected with rabies,


      There is a category of science fiction in which a virus gets to people, they bite each other and become zombies.

      As life has shown, THIS IS NOT FANTASY, but A WARNING


  13. G8K
    G8K 5 May 2014 09: 58
    +6
    We have the full moral right, after the events in Odessa, to the physical liquidation of the junta and all KALOMOysky by any means.
    1. Hariva
      Hariva 5 May 2014 10: 29
      +2
      Just judge! Physical elimination will add firewood to the fire of anti-Russian propaganda. And in place of the acting ghouls others will come. I'm afraid no better.
      1. zzz
        zzz 5 May 2014 10: 40
        +3
        Quote: Hariva
        Just judge! Physical elimination will add firewood to the fire of anti-Russian propaganda.


        I'm afraid that there will be no trial. Run away! They will help to escape, and not all of them are poor, everyone has their own private planes and islands where there is a thread. So just destroy. I would like to leave Farion, and on the square, on the frontal place, let everyone who wants to spit in her face !!!
        1. SHOCK.
          SHOCK. 5 May 2014 11: 14
          +1
          Quote: zzz
          I'm afraid that there will be no trial. Run away!

          They can, of course, but such a life is worse than death. They will live with expectation of retaliation. Trotsky’s example is still fresh in his memory.
          1. andj61
            andj61 5 May 2014 11: 47
            +4
            Quote: Sh.O.K.
            Quote: zzz
            I'm afraid that there will be no trial. Run away!

            They can, of course, but such a life is worse than death. They will live with expectation of retaliation. Trotsky’s example is still fresh in his memory.


            It would be nice to use the example of Israel on Nazi criminals: the court makes a decision, the security services enforce it.
  14. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 May 2014 10: 00
    +3
    I think that our special forces, or in the language of Shoigu, a polite cat, are already nibbling the baby rats.
  15. todaygoodday
    todaygoodday 5 May 2014 10: 00
    +3
    Special forces can still shoot the most odious scumbags, but not Yarosh, etc.
    They must be judged, as in Nünberg, by a tribunal. And only then hang.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 5 May 2014 11: 06
      +3
      Quote: todaygoodday
      Special forces can still shoot the most odious scumbags, but not Yarosh, etc.
      They must be judged, as in Nünberg, by a tribunal. And only then hang.

      No categorically, at the first opportunity, bring down the cases. he will have time to do so much before the trial, it’s better to let him die.
      1. Luga
        Luga 5 May 2014 14: 12
        +2
        Quote: ed65b
        No categorically, at the first opportunity, bring down the cases. he will have time to do so much before the trial, it’s better to let him die.

        Still, I do not agree with you.
        Killing them on the spot - making them heroes. "Killed with a weapon in his hands" or "executed by the verdict of the people's court" are different things, and the second option is certainly preferable. On the spot, you need to bring down the privates, and the main ones - to judge and hang.
        They (Yarosh and K) have already done what they could, and there will be a replacement for them quickly, I am sure that it is already ready "just in case."
  16. morpogr
    morpogr 5 May 2014 10: 01
    +2
    After recent events, resistance will only increase. The clash in Kiev, as well as dissatisfaction with the junta of zapadentsev, economic chaos will accelerate the process, and here it is necessary to act very competently and accurately. Playing on the contradictions inside the junta and their owners.
  17. olf_1959
    olf_1959 5 May 2014 10: 02
    +2
    Yes, do not wait for anything. It is necessary to send troops and strangle all this fascist riffraff. So that there would be no trace. Otherwise, even on May 9, creatures will attack the veterans, and then our loyal and overly cautious rulers will not get out.
    1. zzz
      zzz 5 May 2014 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: olf_1959
      Otherwise, even on May 9, creatures will attack the veterans, and then our loyal and overly cautious rulers will not get out.


      This is how they achieve it! Therefore, by May 9, we need to have time to do something so that they could not spoil the parade on Red Square for us. They want to arrange a parade on May 9 of liberation from the Russian invaders, in honor of Bandera! It has already sounded on the air somewhere, "to FM"
  18. Roshchin
    Roshchin 5 May 2014 10: 07
    0
    It is high time, following the example of our overseas partners and the main specialists in Democracy and Liberty, to openly declare support for the Russians in the South-East with all the ensuing consequences, namely, to support not only morally but also with arms and money. I would like to think that VVP is a real colonel.
  19. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 5 May 2014 10: 08
    +3
    Here you go, what kind of "heroes" appeared in Ukraine. They have no "worthy" followers, burn people alive in Khatyn then or in Odessa now, as they say, find 10 differences. Adolf didn't have "Channel Five" or Euronews, but so maybe it would have cost, they would have blamed the Russian "proxies" from the FSB. everyone else to doubt the combat qualities of such SS divisions as "Leibstandarte", "das Reich" or "Viking" is at least stupid. Well, what about those who fought with the civilian population and went "under the knife" near Brody, when the Germans threw them cleanly "Yes, and the division commander, Freitag, never said anything good about his" fighters ".
  20. maxbaxg61
    maxbaxg61 5 May 2014 10: 13
    +10
    Conduct a diversion operation on a military airfield on which turntables are standing and military aircraft to deprive them of aviation, and then surround those groups that surrounded Slavyansk, Kramatorsk ... In general, make a boiler in a boiler and see who the city lasts for a long time or a bunch of dead freaks who call themselves troops
  21. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 5 May 2014 10: 24
    +1
    All right said
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 5 May 2014 10: 35
      +4
      Right is right, but there is no corresponding weapon. The military airfield in Kramatorsk is in an open field, you can't get up to 500 meters already. The resistance has no "needles", except perhaps the "2m arrow". And how to surround the groupings, with Kalash and hunting rifles, against the KPVT ...?
  22. Gagarin
    Gagarin 5 May 2014 10: 30
    +6
    Yesterday, Kiev boasted that one of these days they are receiving a loan of 17 billion, if they receive then there will be much more blood.
    And given that the West needs blood, MONEY CAN GIVE.
    1. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 5 May 2014 11: 20
      +3
      Quote: Gagarin
      Yesterday, Kiev boasted that one of these days they are receiving a loan of 17 billion, if they receive then there will be much more blood.
      And given that the West needs blood, MONEY CAN GIVE.

      Judging by the information from the media, they will get a loan if they settle it with the South-East, otherwise they will blow it, and not a loan.
  23. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 5 May 2014 10: 31
    -4
    I will express a controversial thought ....
    but you need to hit the patient himself for a great level-wallet.
    expel all prostitutes and guest workers from Russia, and then the current authorities will not last
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 5 May 2014 10: 41
      +3
      Suddenly, the population of Russia will decrease by 5 million, and the posts will become vacant - builders, janitors, market traders.
      I suggest eating dumplings instead of shawarma! wink
  24. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 5 May 2014 10: 32
    +2
    I also thought about this "Pennant" to create one, two fingers on the asphalt, and then the people will understand that he is not alone and together with the militias will finish what they started. With all the enthusiasm and reyteng of the GDP, the very vague position of Russia is where men sit and scratch their turnips or not. But if only they knew that such help would already be the whole Donbass would have stood up, and then in order to take revenge on the shit from Kiev, it would only be necessary to pray.
    1. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 5 May 2014 11: 25
      0
      Quote: kapitan281271
      . With all the enthusiasm and ratings of the GDP, men are sitting on a very slurred position of Russia and they are scratching turnips to go or not.

      I already gave it above, but here again. Read.
      http://continentalist.ru/2014/05/formiruetsya-ukrainskaya-narodno-osvoboditelnay
      a-armiya /
  25. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 5 May 2014 10: 33
    +4
    may be involved Crimeans or Ukrainians working in Russia, which are much more than a million.

    Do not forget that the Crimeans are now citizens of Russia.
    As for the Ukrainians working temporarily in Russia - this is possible, but not very likely. Although there is experience - during the war years on our territory were created from Poles, Czechs and other military formations who fought against fascism. But this will be regarded as Russian intervention. Now such food for the West should not be given. It is possible to form, but not yet send.
    As for Russian weapons, it is possible to translate the arrows to the west. Help supply foreign weapons (M-16 rifles, Stingers, etc.) and accuse the US and NATO of fomenting a civil war in Ukraine.
    1. zzz
      zzz 5 May 2014 10: 55
      0
      Quote: valentina-makanalina
      Do not forget that the Crimeans are now citizens of Russia.

      And do not forget that about 3 thousand Crimeans renounced Russian citizenship. Maybe they are the help ?!
      1. andj61
        andj61 5 May 2014 11: 51
        +1
        Quote: zzz
        Quote: valentina-makanalina
        Do not forget that the Crimeans are now citizens of Russia.

        And do not forget that about 3 thousand Crimeans renounced Russian citizenship. Maybe they are the help ?!


        And the Ukrainian passports remained with Crimeans! Or at least with government agencies.
        1. salamandra2826
          salamandra2826 5 May 2014 18: 30
          0
          They issued new passports to the mercenaries. Our zashniks also have more than one hundred clean ones. This is not a problem.
    2. Sanglier
      Sanglier 5 May 2014 11: 01
      +1
      Frankly, the same thought came about a long time ago. By the way, this practice was used before (in other cities).
  26. MEDVED
    MEDVED 5 May 2014 10: 34
    +3
    They did not save the flyer, so as not to pay money from Kolomoisky. Cynical but real. Shot means they couldn’t, there is no money
  27. Gagarin
    Gagarin 5 May 2014 10: 35
    +14
    I saw a selection of photos from the Odessa tragedy - the hair moved, THIS IS EVEN NOT +18.
    Strangle a pregnant woman with a huge belly with a wire and then burn it .... and then write that they congratulated the separatists with an Odessa kebab ...
    THIS IS ALREADY HUMAN FOREVER.
  28. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 5 May 2014 10: 35
    +4
    They will not free themselves, they will not value freedom.
  29. Little Muck
    Little Muck 5 May 2014 10: 36
    +2
    Holding the city under siege for a long time will also be difficult - this fetters the troops that may be required elsewhere. The military is already in hostile territory and it is not clear how and for what means it is supplied. In this situation, the supply lines are their most vulnerable spot.
    This is exactly what is worth using. To starve under Slavyansk, while gaining strength in other directions. And then we'll see who is in the ring. Actions in the Luhansk region on the border and in other areas, evidence of this.
  30. Az_esm
    Az_esm 5 May 2014 10: 37
    +1
    History always evolves in a spiral. Everything new is well forgotten old. You just need to remember your own story, not an old one, but a new one. Moreover, there is a legitimate president (by the way, why is he still silent about Odessa?!?!? !!?). What happened in the Baltic states in the 30s? Now you don’t even have to invent anything - there is a legitimate president, there is an illegitimate junta in place, there are citizens of the country abroad, from which you can and should create a people's liberation army, which, with the support of volunteer forces of other states and the armed forces of these states, induces MYSELF in state order ...
  31. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 5 May 2014 10: 41
    0
    You must first unite! And then you are power, and then you can sweep everything out of its way! After all, these corrupt creatures, led by Turchinov, flounder to save their skins, but there will be nothing to save soon, Yarosh is also a walking corpse!
  32. Palych9999
    Palych9999 5 May 2014 10: 42
    -3
    An empty article about nothing and not for anyone.
  33. alicante11
    alicante11 5 May 2014 10: 44
    +3
    There are our specialists in Slavyansk. The turntables are their work. In principle, this was understandable before. For example, when a video of the capture of a cop in neighboring Kramatorsk was posted, many said that the "federals" were acting too well-coordinated and professional. Plus there were also reports that all self-defense units in the Donetsk region are subordinate to the self-defense of Sloviansk. For what reason, tell me? It is also not clear why the dill troops so rested against this Slavyansk. Here I am looking at the map, except through Slavyansk, is there really no way to get to Donetsk and Lugansk? But now that active hostilities have begun, it is simply ridiculous to deny the obvious. If you look at the situation in the neighbors of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, you can see how the armored vehicles of dill felt at ease in Kramatorsk. But helicopters in the sky are a somewhat more difficult target than armored personnel carriers in the city, if I understand anything about these matters. And if we compare the losses of the federals in Kramatorsk and Sloviansk with an incomparable intensity of traffic damage, then the high professionalism of the "Slavs" is striking. And the day before yesterday I, unexpectedly for myself, received a real confirmation of these logical conclusions.
  34. nycsson
    nycsson 5 May 2014 10: 49
    +2
    Volunteer battalions are being formed to be sent to the South-East of Ukraine

    05.05.14 - 00: 12

    The Russians are worried about the fate of the fraternal country and want to help, so hundreds of requests for sending to New Russia are received by veteran organizations in Russia.

    It is reported that veterans of the 1 and 2 Chechen wars gathered at the extraordinary congress of the ROOIVS Rusichi. At the Congress, a decision was made to urgently mobilize the volunteer corps in the South-East of Ukraine in defense of the Russian population from the "Right Sector" and the national junta guard, which includes PMCs.

    Former soldiers of special forces of the Russian Armed Forces do not want to watch how the fraternal people die from lawlessness. Family relations connect many with Ukraine; for some, it is a small homeland.

    “At the moment, over 1000 of selected fighters are sent to Ukraine - those soldiers who served in special forces, intelligence and other special forces,” the report said.

    In one of the Russian cities, a full-fledged battalion of only former specialists gathered. Veterans filed lists with the draft board.

    According to reports, this happens in all major cities of the country.

    Concern about Ukrainian events is expressed not only in the Russian Federation.

    Volunteers from South Ossetia also expressed their official intention to help the south-east of Ukraine. The relevant information was voiced by the United Ossetia party.

    “Due to the fact that the party receives numerous appeals, the Union of Paratroopers of South Ossetia and the United Ossetia party, in order to protect the civilian population of southeastern Ukraine, have announced the recruitment of volunteers from among the veterans of the 1989-2008 war,” the statement said. party "United Ossetia".

    The party’s political council explained that “over the past few months, residents of South Ossetia have been watching with alarm the neo-Nazis who seized power in Ukraine, feeling the full support of Western countries, violating the rights of millions of civilians.” Recent events in Odessa, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, as stated in the political council, "confirmed the fears that the whole country was torn to pieces by fascist youths."
    According to volunteers, "militants from Ukrainian radical organizations are well known in South Ossetia, in 2008 they supported and personally participated in Georgian aggression against the Ossetian people."

    P.S

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  35. Barakuda
    Barakuda 5 May 2014 10: 50
    +2
    Quote: Gagarin
    THIS IS ALREADY HUMAN FOREVER.

    These are still people who wear a head through the neck and eat into it. And the head is fighting for independence from the brain.
  36. uhu189
    uhu189 5 May 2014 10: 53
    +1
    The fact that Russia does not give an occasion to the West for accusations is certainly good. The fact that in the West some people start thinking again is also great. But here the main trouble - EVERY DAY OF EXPECTATION IS COST OF BLOOD OF PEOPLE. We have no way to wait until in Germany it reaches the majority of burghers that the Nazis are wound up. Time works against us. And sanctions are being imposed against us for no reason at all - just like Canadians just yesterday. As Merkel recently said - the presidential elections in Ukraine will not take place - Russia is to blame and new sanctions will be imposed on it. Do they all have psychosis? From the Kiev junta infected? I understand that the introduction of troops is an extreme measure, followed by the purges of Russians in all cities that our army will not have time to free. But the physical destruction of some of the most odious leaders of the junta can reduce violence and make the rest think. Maybe the instinct of self-preservation will prevail and these cattle will understand that you can not scoff at your citizens and over Russia. Putin is not stupid, he knows what he’s doing. And if he is silent, then something is happening. But we have almost no time, that's why it’s scary. How much more blood can be shed while we prepare
  37. old man
    old man 5 May 2014 10: 57
    +1
    Quote: Werwolf
    WELL, LET'S SO ... THE SPECIALISTS ARE WORKING ... WHILE THE WAR OF TACTICS IS GOING ON ... BEFORE THE REAL BATTLE ... THERE WAS ONE FOR A TELEVISION IN KRAMATORSK ... ... THE NUCKLES REACH THE CITIES AND MEET AN MASSAGE OF LOCAL RESIDENTS ... ... WE WOULD BURN EVERYONE BUT NOT GIVE THE GRANDMAS WHO STANDED NEAR THE APCS AND MATYUGALS OF THE NAZIKS ... AT THE FIRST ATTACK ON THE SLAVIANS, THE ATO LEADER WAS ANYWHERE BY ACCIDENTAL KILLED BY THE ATO ... THIS IS ALL ... GEORGIAN COUNSELOR YAROSH, NETHERLAND HERPER, 15 ALPHA CAMPS ... NOW BY SNIPERS (ALL FROM THE REPORTS) ... INTERVIEW SHOOTERS: FILLED 3 SPECIALISTS ... BEFORE THIS ON THE HOOTUBE -THE COOL GUN ... LOSS OF "CHAMOMILE" BECAME 2 TO 1 !!! AND THIS IS THE PILOTS .... THE VERTUKHI BEAT ON THE GO WITH "FAGOTA" (WHAT A SKILL !!!) SO TO HOLD ... THE CITIES DO NOT RENT ... TIME WORKS FOR DONCHAN ...


    Attention, in the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics there are Croatian mercenaries posing as Serbian correspondents. They provide logistics to snipers and saboteurs. They are armed and very dangerous. They have escaped the war in Bosnia. The main weapons are hidden in bumpers. Undercover niches or a pallet fixed at the bottom of the XKER. NO VOLUNTEERS AND MEDIA REPRESENTATIVES ON THE TERRITORY OF FREE REPUBLIC

    And do not forget about enemy intelligence.
  38. Victor-M
    Victor-M 5 May 2014 11: 01
    0
    The local population of the Southeast, feed these bastards from nat. guards and other units of poisoned products. Let all of Kiev’s military kodla be heard. And then take them warm.
  39. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 5 May 2014 11: 01
    0
    Ukrainian prostitutes and traffickers are unlikely to be counted as the Russian population. And I do not see anything bad in the release of jobs, they will begin to pay their employees normally
  40. aleck shewtsow
    aleck shewtsow 5 May 2014 11: 04
    +3
    I am firmly convinced that the liberation of Novorossia, like Ukraine as a whole, is possible only with the most direct and active participation, first of all, of the citizens of Ukraine. Help from the outside will be effective only at the most desperate, critical moment, when even a "drop" can tip the cup in the right direction. It is ridiculous and stupid to hope that our problems will be solved with the help of "help". A kind uncle can help when we ourselves stretch our hand, when, not counting on success, realizing doom, we go to the last and decisive one. God and our Truth are with us!
  41. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 5 May 2014 11: 05
    +2
    It, of course, to whom - how.
    Given "goodwill", Russia can now afford everything, any action.
    Provided that these actions are decisive (bring the started maneuver to the end) and designate a specific "kapets" for each individual, be it a public or private person (a mercenary, a football fan, etc.).
    The Kolomoisky, Obama and other Merkels may not even know that the Drozdov Pennants are still rushing in the wind and rubbing their hands on the eve of “real work”.
  42. maxim1
    maxim1 5 May 2014 11: 07
    +1
    Quote: Gagarin
    Yesterday Kiev boasted that the other day they were receiving a loan of 17 billion

    These promises have been heard for three days now. The IMF has a condition - stability in the country. And where to get it, stability?
    So money should not be expected in the near future. So, purely theoretically.
    And what elections during the fighting will be legitimate according to EU standards?
    May 16, Russia invoices for the supply of June gas. Where is the money, Zin? (C)
    A quiet 3,14sec creeps up to the junta. And yet it's not evening. And the southeast is only going to Kiev.
  43. akvald
    akvald 5 May 2014 11: 17
    +2
    No guys! Russia now will be lit there in no way. Our (Latvia) press, dictated from behind a puddle, already almost 100% says that in Odessa, Slavyansk, etc., Russia is in charge. And what will happen if there is at least one proven fact. There will be a screech all over the world!
    It is disgusting and the other, the so-called, Russian-speaking, no, no, but they begin to yap, also against Russia. It seems those who grew up on American and Western European agitation that Russia is to blame for everything and everywhere.
    So judge, and what is where they do not follow events, according to other sources. And imagine, there is incontrovertible evidence of the presence of Russia ....
  44. Brother77
    Brother77 5 May 2014 11: 45
    +1
    Hey sofa theorists, read the SOVIET work and answer your question, who benefits from it and get an exhaustive multifaceted answer about who does what and where, well, what are you like small children ..
  45. Georgich
    Georgich 5 May 2014 11: 45
    +3
    Look here. On May 2, they burned down a house with people, and on night 4, these scumbags march of intimidation go to Odessa quietly, they don’t need to look for them, here they are, tearing them to pieces, and where the people are indignant. There was enough spirit of the survivors to pull them out of the hole. What should the Russian special forces send? In Dnepropetrovsk, the headquarters of Yarosh, - the dream of millions of ukrov came true, Bandera went beyond the Dnieper, he said. Kharkov and ours and yours. Russia, the Russian people, will help to wrap up the neck of Banderlog, but Ukrainians must grab a throat themselves. It's time to wake up.
  46. andj61
    andj61 5 May 2014 12: 15
    +1
    Obviously, after the events in the Donbass and the massacre in Odessa, Russia cannot remain inactive. On the other hand, the introduction of the Russian army at the moment will look like the rescue of drowning people and will not help the image of the liberator. The ideal option is for the interim government of Ukraine to be overthrown by the hands of Ukrainians, whom Russia can organize and arm.


    There are already many proven options. Like the camps in Pakistan - against Afghanistan; in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan - against Israel; in Turkey and Jordan against Syria. A refugee camp is being organized on our territory near the border. Along with the accommodation of refugees and families, the camp provides education and training for people fighting the junta, they arm themselves, equip themselves, etc. A "window" or "windows" is being organized on the border (in the Luhansk region, it seems, they have already organized their own, figuratively speaking, 1 meter of the state border). At the same time, shrug their shoulders - what kind of armed people? There are none!
    It will be REAL HELP. And if you create a public organization, r / account for donations, receiving humanitarian aid, etc. - very good.
  47. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 5 May 2014 12: 19
    +2
    The ideal option is for the interim government of Ukraine to be overthrown by the hands of Ukrainians, whom Russia can organize and arm.
    In the first part of the proposal, I agree with the author 100%, but with the second from the point of view of international law, Russia cannot afford to deliver weapons to hot spots, as it did with the suspension of the return of military equipment to Ukraine from Crimea. I can assume that in the southeast of the country there are enough weapons stocks to arm more than one army. hi
    1. Karen
      Karen 5 May 2014 15: 47
      0
      What international law .... They are written just for Russia ... Now is a century of interests and a point ....
      As for weapons, there are weapons for two Chinese mobilization.
  48. Ustas
    Ustas 5 May 2014 15: 07
    +1
    In this situation, the supply lines are their most vulnerable spot.

    Here. Here is a way out for the militias. Take the experience of guerrilla wars and deprive the supply of ukroarmi.
  49. Rusich1980
    Rusich1980 5 May 2014 18: 00
    0
    I propose to hold the Victory Parade similarly to November 7, 1941, when our great-grandfathers and grandfathers went straight from the Red Square to beat the fascist. Only with an amendment to Sevastopol and to Polite People bully Well, as an indicative circle of honor over the southeast of Ukraine on Sushki and Migah wassat And Yarosh, Nalyvaichenko and other Trupinovs to publicly give the title Hero of Russia and a large sum in Chinese currency on an account in Argentine banks for "... a brilliantly conducted action to uncover Bandera thugs and the development of patriotism in Russia and Novorossia" Well, something like that laughing In short, substitute very thinly in front of the hosts
  50. Skif83
    Skif83 5 May 2014 19: 47
    0
    1. The bottom line is that the weapons and equipment that the militias captured were not enough! They need anti-tank weapons (ATGMs, RPG-7, shots to them, RPG-18, RPG-22, RPG-32), MANPADS, sniper rifles, including large-caliber well, etc. Where are they? What is impossible to put them?
    2. Lugansk region borders on Russia, arm it first of all, through it and the rest.
    3. The militia (or people's armies, the essence does not change the name yet) does not have a single command, there is no coordination of actions. Share portfolios? They may not wait for them.
    4. If a war is going on, and in fact it is already underway with the use by Kiev of everything that still "breathes", the actions of all the forces of the militia should be all the more coordinated. It is necessary not only to defend from the inside, it is necessary to beat the surrounding groups of Kiev in the back with other militia units.
    5. And the last, Russia should not (or cannot), while sending in troops, maybe wait for a national referendum or ... from the sea of ​​weather, but put up weapons, ammunition, NEEDS NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING or ANYTHING! Russia has a chance to win this war by the forces of the Southeast, give the brothers weapons.