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Odessa 2 May. What it was and why Putin did not send troops

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Waking up in the morning and analyzing the information in the network, I realized that the "unexpected" events in Odessa were not only for me. And even more so the consequences of these events. To understand me, I propose to go through the whole chain of "facts".


The evening of May 2. 2014 in Odessa did not foretell anything “bad” to either the residents or the city authorities. Some knew that “something” would happen, but they believed that everything was under control. Others did not guess anything. The procession "ultras" and the militants along the streets of Odessa was relatively quiet. But in the street. The Greek were attacked by people with bats, in combat gear, with St. George ribbons and RED BANDS on their hands. It was here that the first oddity and "discrepancy" happened with the official version of the junta. Exactly the same red dressings were in the hands of SOME Interior Ministry officers. The most interesting thing is that it was in this place where these employees were located and the “breakthrough” of “separatists” to the marchers took place. It was also absolutely “accidental” that this moment was taken from a high point, in relation to what is happening (as a former operator I’ll say: it means that the filmmaker knew the script and chose the position for shooting in advance). This was followed by a short skirmish as a result of which the first victims appeared. Moreover, unidentified "arrows" shot from the roofs and from the crowd (according to the junta it is clear that the pro-Russian). Then quick, on command, the withdrawal of "militants with bandages." After that, people with bandages disappear from the scene (they probably just took off the bandages and ribbons) and mixed with the crowd. Instead of pursuing overt provocateurs, the “brutalized” crowd rushed to Kulikovo Pole to the “fedets” camp. There were 200-300 people mostly old men and women (no more than 100 men) who could not offer any resistance ten times greater than the number of attackers. Therefore, they preferred to retreat to the House of Trade Unions, where it would be easier for them to keep a “defense”. Until now, everything went according to the plan of the "junta" (apparently, the plan included a repetition of Zaporozhye and Kharkov). The police simply moved on and were just “extras”. But the crowd, "intoxicated" with the first blood, could no longer stop. The kind of practically defenseless opponents did what they should have done. "Punitive killers" have lost their sense of proportion. Then there were only instincts.

"Burning" and "finishing off" the surviving "federates" can only be explained by this. It happened around 22-00 in Kiev (remember this time I will come back to this). It was at this time that the governor (gauleiter) of Odessa wrote to Facebook. that he does not see anything illegal in the actions of the crowd (as he probably now bites his elbows). He thought that everything was going according to plan. The camp of the "federates", which he could not disperse for several weeks already, according to the "plan of operation", has already been demolished. Those few "corpses" that were in Greek again "according to the plan" will be "hanged" by "pro-Russian militants" (those with ribbons and armbands). Who could have imagined. that the brutal "onizdeti" will burn a few dozen inhabitants of Odessa "alive", and those who escaped will be killed in the square without being ashamed of what they are being shot.

And now I will share some observations.

1. Militants that burned people were clearly "sharpened" by the fact that they were "fighting" against Russian saboteurs. Apparently, for them, too, it was a “shock” that they burned the same people from Odessa (they burned not only people from Odessa, but also many people from Odessa), and that this “blood” was on their hands (and this will bother them again). That is why the stream camera went shooting inside the building. And the first thing the punishers did was a “document search”.
Special thanks to etherealstation for the “civic stand”, who immediately, without delay, “refuted” the fake that “Russian mercenaries” were among the dead: http://etherealstation.livejournal.com/63026.html.

2. The actions in Kramatorsk went in "synchronization" with Odessa. Apparently, it was Odessa that was supposed to be an “information veil” (as I recall, Russian saboteurs arranged a massacre with “victims” in Odessa, so that the “cleansing” of Kramatorsk was allegedly justified), which ensured the actions of punishers in eastern Ukraine. Looking ahead to say that as soon as the junta realized what "history"they were entered by too zealous performers, the punitive operation in the east, as if by command, was curtailed (at least until this hour there are almost no active actions).

3. Actions Gauleiter Odessa. I have already mentioned that this creature (I cannot apply another word after yesterday’s) “according to plan” issued an “indulgence” to the murderers, declaring that everything that happens in Odessa is legal:

It (the creature) did not know that it was at these moments that the brutal crowd was burning alive from Odessa, and the survivors were trampling on their feet. A few hours later, when the horror of the situation reached, and his atrophied brains were followed by another statement, in which it said that it would punish the guilty. That is, find the switchmen. The first has already been found. This is the head of the regional police. Not to say that he is not guilty. Is to blame. But he is not the main culprit. That's for sure. In general, the entire Kiev top has not yet “recovered” from yesterday. Neither Turchinov nor Yatsenyuk have yet made any appeals and have not gone to the “debriefing” (They definitely distance themselves from what is happening. Although it looks ridiculous. The President and the Prime Minister no matter what. What are you then the government). For them, yesterday’s was also a shock.

4. There are no militants with bandages among those killed in the House of Trade Unions, which completely disproves the version of the junta.

What now will follow. There will be a radical protest. Odessa will now be difficult to protect from the "hot phase" (and other cities too). But now in Odessa there should appear a group of "Strelka" (analog), which can begin to "lead" the process. Definitely many of the former citizens of Ukraine turned away from the new government (especially in the South-East). On the other hand, the Junta protected itself from the coup, which was supposed to take place today or tomorrow (Tymoshenko’s gang can still steer for a while.) The “counterrevolutionaries” got what they wanted - they drank blood (for a while, of course). “Natsik” in this situation will be appointed “switchmen” (not today. Later.), Which is also beneficial for Turchinov-Tymoshenko.

Now I answer the question. Why Putin did not send troops. What for? In the Donbas and Lugansk situation is stable. The population of these regions after yesterday’s embittered against the junta is beyond any measure, which should affect the results of the “referendum” 11 in May. For the troops of the junta, Slavyansk was still a "tough nut". Militants in Odessa themselves began a "process" that could not begin without external assistance. Yes, and all over the Southeast, it seems everything is just beginning.



Dear yurasumy built a consistent and correct version. I completely agree with him - given what I know myself.

That's just really still worse and dirtier than the esteemed yurasumy. But he is too noble to even imagine such a thing.

Odessa 2 May. What it was and why Putin did not send troops


Initially, it was a mean and cruel plan to suppress Odessa, following the example of Kharkov. But the Kievan blunders did not calculate that it was impossible to control the Nazis who had drunk blood - and therefore now in Kiev everyone is terrified of what happened (as Yatsenyuk and Turchinov are amicably together) and do not know what to do. Instead of extinguishing the protest in Odessa and the South-East, they splashed into the fire a tank of aviation kerosene. And now the separation of the South-East is not even a matter of probability, but a matter of time.

Now, between the Kiev-Western "Svidomo patriots" and residents of the South-East-the ashes. Bitter ash 38 Odessa.

And the murder can be redeemed only by death.

Please maximize the spread.

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  1. Humpty
    Humpty 4 May 2014 07: 16
    +165
    NATO bombed Serbia after showing two dozen and hastily dressed Albanian sadists.
    How many more Russians must be killed by the Bandera reptiles to be crushed by a steam rink.
    Banderlog will have to die.
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 4 May 2014 07: 21
      +134
      probably it’s time to lead the troops, how much it can go on mockery of the people.
      Russian troops, which are now based on the peninsula, are put on high alert. This was reported by a source in the Russian army.

      “The reason is the events in the Donbass and, now, in Odessa. First of all, we are talking about aviation, ”the source said.

      In addition, according to eyewitnesses from different regions of the peninsula, in the afternoon Russian military planes and helicopters began to actively move around the Crimea.

      “About 20 military aircraft, including Su-27 fighters, have just flown over Kirovsky towards Dzhankoy,” residents of the Kirovsky district of Crimea said.

      Another witness said that several dozen Russian aircraft flew towards Belbek airport.

      “Two transport planes were seen over Kerch several hours ago,” said one of the local residents.

      Recall, according to Ukrainian experts, now in the 50-kilometer zone from the border of Russia with Ukraine there are up to 18 thousand Russian military.

      The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.
      1. Skipper2050
        Skipper2050 4 May 2014 07: 33
        +74
        Let them put their sanctions in their asses, the GDP is waiting for something (some kind of report) and everything will be wrapped up.
        1. ya.seliwerstov2013
          ya.seliwerstov2013 4 May 2014 08: 45
          +34
          And for everyone who disagrees with them
          Attack right away by war.
          Sneaky jackals and dogs
          Bombed many peaceful countries,
          Brutally destroyed everything in Iraq
          And attacked the bastards, the Slavs.
          How long can this go on?
          How much will they kill?
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 4 May 2014 11: 16
            +126
            Quote: Skipper2050
            Let them put their sanctions in their asses, the GDP is waiting for something (some kind of report) and everything will be wrapped up.


            In this matter, the main support is for the masses, but there is no such support either in the DPR or in Odessa, the resistance is 10% of the total population, and the opposition is also not small, but the main contingent is those whose hut is on the edge and now they are waiting for someone to take.

            Now the question. In all the countries that we saved from fascism, we are now called invaders, even in Ukraine. And where is the likelihood that the same, albeit not Donchans, but Odessans then will not say that they lived in peace and did not grieve until the Russians arrived and ruined everything?

            IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)
            1. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 4 May 2014 11: 50
              +49
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

              Absolutely agree. Help in the form of ammunition, ammunition, weapons and, as a maximum, advisers, but preferably without any human involvement. Moreover, all this should happen between 11 and 25 in May strictly according to the results of the referendum (the number of supporters of the Russian Federation is still unknown)
              1. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 4 May 2014 13: 11
                +20
                What referendum, do you think it will be held? Without taking control of all roads, there will be no referendum.
                1. kit-kat
                  kit-kat 5 May 2014 15: 16
                  0
                  The likelihood of falsification of the results of the referendum is extremely high.
              2. Blondy
                Blondy 4 May 2014 13: 36
                +10
                I am quoting my comment from the material "Who Should Stop Fascism in Ukraine?"
                On the issue of referenda in the South-East of Ukraine.
                The situation has changed. In the south-east of Ukraine, junta punishers attack and kill civilians, there is a civil war. The West has limited the circulation of democratic rights and freedoms and international law only to domestic use. Russia is still trying to act on the remnants of the field of international law.

                Therefore, in connection with the changed situation, which has already become extraordinary and threatening the lives of local residents, it seems necessary and possible to include the following question in the referenda held in South-East of Ukraine:

                "Do you express your will - to call on the Russian armed forces to protect your life, rights and dignity of a citizen?"

                Answers: yes, no
                1. STi_v
                  STi_v 4 May 2014 14: 53
                  +49
                  What to include? What question? There is no one to include anything there yet. Ukraine (ALL UKRAINE AND SOUTH-EAST INCLUDING) for two decades has been zombified by the media under the Western command that the West is prosperity, and Russia occupied Vilna Ukraine for 70 years and did not let it flourish. At the beginning of the Second World War, half of Ukraine with songs and dances joined the ranks of the Nazis in order to kill the "Russian occupants" and liberate Ukraine. In the Soviet Union, Ukrainians, along with all the numerous "immense" nationalities, studied at institutes, military schools and other institutions. And they always hated the Russians. Even then, they were proud that they could speak Ukrainian in Russia, but they categorically did not advise speaking Russian, for example, in Lvov. This is at the genetic level. And nowadays, former SS-sheep led by presidents are walking along the streets of Ukraine, and national-fascist organizations are growing like mushrooms. They are even present in the Verkhovna Rada as a party. And for 20 years after the collapse of the USSR, the majority, including in the South-East, have been processed by the media and are sure that it is WHAT IS WORKING in Russia (they say so) something terrible. Now they say they are CREATING in the Crimea and sincerely, sincerely sympathize with the Crimeans.
                  So to summarize: those speeches, as supporters of federalization say, are of a small, small, dead nature. They are few in number. Yes, they are enough to grab some social security for a couple of days. But when they are knocked out and burned out - where is the crowd of thousands that surrounded and trampled the militants of the right sector? Where are the police chiefs, the mayor of the city, the deputies of the city council, etc. As I understand it, after what happened in Odessa, the next morning the streets were to be filled with people and all the leading barefoot was to be presented to the public in front of her clear eyes. Then the junta would shudder. Least. Then the GDP would see that it acts in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people of Ukraine, and not 10-15% of activists who want to remain the nationality that their father and mother gave them, remember their grandfathers who defended their land from the fascist creature, and who do not want to be illustrated. Until then, and I am almost sure that there will be no GDP, it makes no sense to lay down the lives of Russian soldiers for those who "have not decided" what nationality he was born, and what he wants his children to be. This nation has already surrendered their country. And if he does not start shedding blood, to my great regret, I sincerely do not want this, but it will not be otherwise. It just never happened, because it never happens. So, if people do not begin to lose their men, women, children and neighbors - if a normal animal sense of self-preservation does not awaken in them, if they don’t want to simply survive at a deep genetic level - they will not defeat this scum.
                  1. lg41
                    lg41 4 May 2014 17: 25
                    +3
                    Dear "no name". As a resident of Lugansk, I must tell you that you are greatly mistaken in assessing the situation in Ukraine.
                    1. Alexey N
                      Alexey N 4 May 2014 19: 50
                      +13
                      As a resident of Lugansk, please answer why dozens are dying, several hundreds are standing at checkpoints, and thousands are going to rallies, millions of people live near you as if nothing had happened? One sheds blood on the front line (and you have war), and a hundred people pretend that they live in peacetime.

                      Donetsk region - 4 million 350 thousand (including 950 thousand - Donetsk)
                      Lugansk region - 2 million 200 thousand (including 460 thousand - Lugansk)

                      Why is that? Or is it all wrong?
                  2. anarh
                    anarh 4 May 2014 22: 16
                    -1
                    Quote: STi_v
                    ... At the beginning of the Second World War, half of Ukraine with songs and dances joined the ranks of the Nazis in order to kill the "Russian occupants" and liberate Ukraine.

                    Why this fucking sergeant-rulemaker?
                2. Sandov
                  Sandov 5 May 2014 16: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Blondy
                  "Do you express your will - to call on the Russian armed forces to protect your life, rights and dignity of a citizen?"

                  Answers: yes, no

                  I support. Otherwise, p and ndos will tear apart Ukraine.
              3. ermolai
                ermolai 5 May 2014 05: 00
                +3
                Well, maximum, "clear sky" for this, even the border does not need to be crossed, and at the same time, "land without armored vehicles" and our pilots are real exercises. help to patriots of Ukraine, and long-term diarrhea for the Nazis
              4. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx 6 May 2014 05: 26
                +1
                Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

                Absolutely agree. Help in the form of ammunition, ammunition, weapons and, as a maximum, advisers, but preferably without any human involvement. Moreover, all this should happen between 11 and 25 in May strictly according to the results of the referendum (the number of supporters of the Russian Federation is still unknown)

                +1

                Only no one will stop the volunteers. And the fact that severe Siberian and not only peasants are reaching for it (have already been pulled there) is a fact.
                And yet ... all this will not happen between the 11 and the 25 on May, but this will already happen in full growth. Maybe with the exception of weapons and not publicly.
                And if Donetsk manages to hold a referendum, then after May 11-13, Russia will simply recognize this republic and will supply weapons there on an official basis, as a separate state. And not only weapons .. "Volunteers" will travel more on a regular, systematic basis. I don't think there will be a lack of them. And to make documents local - like to send two bytes.
            2. Bayard
              Bayard 4 May 2014 11: 54
              +66
              Quote: sledgehammer102

              Now the question. In all the countries that we saved from fascism, we are now called invaders, even in Ukraine. And where is the likelihood that the same, albeit not Donchans, but Odessans then will not say that they lived in peace and did not grieve until the Russians arrived and ruined everything?

              And who are you respected by nationality? In the Donbas, they are not just the same Russians as in Russia, they are more Russian because they are fighting for their Russianness, without outside help, almost without weapons (there are very few of them), almost without leaders (who are kidnapped and killed). I saw 13-15-year-old boys in Donetsk clinging to skateboard guards and elbow pads with pieces of armature in their hands, flocks scouring their native city in search of ukrofashists - feeble, but so decisive. Above Donbas is the RUSSIAN flag and the flag of the Donetsk Republic and they put their own life.
              This is your esteemed hut from the edge (and therefore Ukrainian in spirit), and these guys are RUSSIAN. When everyone who is ready to fight will receive a weapon, no help will be needed, but, I repeat, it is sorely lacking.
              We - RUSSIANS - always came to the rescue not because we were waiting for awards or thanks, but because we couldn’t do otherwise, we have such genes. And who doesn’t have those, he is a Ukrainian - he has a hut on the edge.
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 4 May 2014 12: 04
                +35
                Quote: Bayard
                And who are you respected by nationality? In the Donbas, they are not just the same Russians as in Russia, they are more Russian because they are fighting for their Russianness, without outside help, almost without weapons (there are very few of them), almost without leaders (who are kidnapped and killed).


                Once again, in the millionth of Odessa, after the killing of 40 people, the next day a couple of hundred people came to the police department. And at the very peak (that is, not as usual) there were no more than 40 thousand demonstrations in the DNR on the streets. What percentage of the population? And now we are comparing with Crimea and its referendum result.

                That is the question. is it worth fitting in for the whole of the DNI, then to get a bullet in the back? Wherever there was unanimity, we helped, and Transnistria, and in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and in Crimea. In the DPR, and even more so in Odessa, this is still a long way off. Even ATO cannot lead people to fight.
                1. zaboyschik
                  zaboyschik 4 May 2014 13: 14
                  +1
                  And who is talking about Odessa here? The only region besides Donetsk and Lugansk where one can hope for the support of the population is Kharkiv. All, the rest of the south, only take stupidly by force, they will not mind.
                  1. smart Fox
                    smart Fox 4 May 2014 14: 53
                    +32
                    There will be no !!! While the pack is fighting, you can watch it from the side, and try to kick at least one mongrel. the whole pack will switch to you. And you will explain to them. that he wanted to save the smallest dog from certain death?
                    This is their country, whether we like it or not, let them decide how they live in it.
                    Fight or negotiate peacefully, just let them decide.
                    And it will turn out so that Russia will not do everything will be bad.
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                3. Havoc
                  Havoc 4 May 2014 16: 23
                  +33
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  Quote: Bayard
                  And who are you respected by nationality? In the Donbas, they are not just the same Russians as in Russia, they are more Russian because they are fighting for their Russianness, without outside help, almost without weapons (there are very few of them), almost without leaders (who are kidnapped and killed).


                  Once again, in the millionth of Odessa, after the killing of 40 people, the next day a couple of hundred people came to the police department. And at the very peak (that is, not as usual) there were no more than 40 thousand demonstrations in the DNR on the streets. What percentage of the population? And now we are comparing with Crimea and its referendum result.

                  That is the question. is it worth fitting in for the whole of the DNI, then to get a bullet in the back? Wherever there was unanimity, we helped, and Transnistria, and in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and in Crimea. In the DPR, and even more so in Odessa, this is still a long way off. Even ATO cannot lead people to fight.


                  Totally agree with you. Before the entry of troops into the Crimea V.V. Putin said that the situation was monitored and only after learning that there would be support from the population did what happened. For me personally, the situation is strange and incomprehensible, miners are silent, in cities with millionaires, a maximum of 3-5 thousand people come out for demonstrations. Fighting is carried out separately, each defends its own city, instead of rallying. I don’t understand sitting in the city center in busy buildings, waiting for something, or they think that the army will leave.
                  1. lg41
                    lg41 4 May 2014 17: 38
                    -15%
                    So let's get to us as a private person and organize an active process.
                    1. smart Fox
                      smart Fox 5 May 2014 16: 51
                      +2
                      And you will sit on the sofas and see who wins? Why do I need an active process in another state. We ourselves have only recently calmed down. In Ukraine, the one who is better organized will win, while they are right-wingers.
                4. makarick
                  makarick 4 May 2014 17: 18
                  +9
                  I will give a simple example from life about the ambiguity of the assessment of what is happening by the citizens of Ukraine. One Crimean Tatar is a Crimean resident, the second Russian is a center. Ukrainian. Both of my acquaintances, emigrants from Uzbekistan (left as adults in the late 90's, were born, grew up, got arr in the USSR). Both (and fiercely defend their opinions) consider Russia the occupier and enemy of Ukraine. And then what about so many indigenous people?
                  1. huginn
                    huginn 4 May 2014 19: 40
                    +17
                    From Odessa:
                    "In Odessa, the following phrases are heard from the inhabitants:

                    - So there there were only homeless people and visitors, they did the right thing to clean the area
                    - These first began to shoot - they themselves are to blame - but these generally peacefully stood the anthem sang
                    - We don’t need Putin here - they did the right thing to remove them

                    With a pain in my heart, I state what I hear "
                    1. ksenya
                      ksenya 5 May 2014 19: 27
                      +5
                      Yes, I immediately recall the famous statement of Niemeller: “When the Nazis came for the communists, I was silent, I’m not a communist. Then they came for the Social Democrats, I was silent, I’m not a Social Democrat. Then they came for the trade unionists, I was silent, I’m not a member of the trade union. Then they came for the Jews, I was silent, I’m not a Jew. And then they came for me, and there was no one who could protest. "
                    2. alpenstock
                      alpenstock 8 May 2014 16: 22
                      0
                      and in fact, no homeless people or visitors, right? HERE AND STATE NOW ...
                  2. svd-xnumx
                    svd-xnumx 4 May 2014 21: 52
                    +5
                    I will give a simple example from life about the ambiguity of the assessment of what is happening by the citizens of Ukraine. One Crimean Tatar is a Crimean resident, the second Russian is a center. Ukrainian. Both of my acquaintances, emigrants from Uzbekistan (left as adults in the late 90's, were born, grew up, got arr in the USSR). Both (and fiercely defend their opinions) consider Russia the occupier and enemy of Ukraine. And then what about so many indigenous people?
                    Well, who will they consider an enemy if they are being put their brains out of a zomboy for 24 hours, remember Yugoslavia, TV centers were bombed first, militias of South-East turned on Russian punitive channels first of all in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk seized television centers. The State Department wants to re-educate Russia through television and radio broadcasting , the grandmothers have already been allocated and the performers have been found. and in Odessa the House of Trade Unions was still burning, and the guilty ones were already called ukrosmi-Russian and Transnistrian separatists with weapons stored on the Kulikovo field attacked a peaceful demonstration and set themselves on fire. 90% of the population, both in Russia and in Ukraine believes that they were told from the TV and shown the corresponding picture, and they will not check at least via the Internet, but they will see a different position there - "anything can be shoved into a computer"
                    1. Giacint a
                      Giacint a 6 May 2014 21: 16
                      0
                      But it’s not with troops that they can set their brains !!!
                5. lg41
                  lg41 4 May 2014 17: 35
                  0
                  Dear sledgehammer102 (2). A civil war is already going on in Ukraine. Almost unarmed residents of the eastern regions of Ukraine against the Kiev junta and the Gallich, well-funded, provided with equipment and necessary weapons in sufficient quantities to DESTROY the inhabitants of the southeast. Your written judgments (nonsense) in comments are simply very annoying
              2. KCC
                KCC 4 May 2014 12: 53
                +17
                In Lugansk, rebels (I saw it on TV myself) say that they seized 10000 barrels, I repeat the tens of thousands of weapons that we need, the S-300, let them distribute weapons to those who want to fight with the Bandera, and do not wait and are afraid of the consequences. In white gloves it is not possible to fight.
                1. zaboyschik
                  zaboyschik 4 May 2014 13: 21
                  +3
                  And s-300 would not be in the way, today Khokhlosushka flew, it would be nice to discourage. Ten thousand trunks dreamed of someone, all that was distributed yesterday. Few, very few, two dozen 12.7 machine guns at once would solve the problem with armored personnel carriers. And to use birds of thirty years ago and RPG against SVN is not the best idea.
                  1. Containers
                    Containers 6 May 2014 02: 07
                    +2
                    ATGM and RPGs are an unfortunate idea against armored personnel carriers, but is a successful one a heavy machine gun? You, my friend, eat too much. =)
              3. KCC
                KCC 4 May 2014 12: 53
                0
                In Lugansk, rebels (I saw it on TV myself) say that they seized 10000 barrels, I repeat the tens of thousands of weapons that we need, the S-300, let them distribute weapons to those who want to fight with the Bandera, and do not wait and are afraid of the consequences. In white gloves it is not possible to fight.
                1. naGua
                  naGua 4 May 2014 13: 54
                  +3
                  10 thousand weather trunks will not do. Only a lot of blood. Of course it’s good IF EVERYTHING gets weapons to the militias. We need ammunition, we need the military, the former, although there are no former military, an axiom. And most importantly, a clear coordination of actions is needed. Not only intracity, but also with the rest of the Southeast cities. And something is not observed, unfortunately. I think temporarily. Then there will be a serious rebuff.
                  And as for the S-300, apparently it was said in passion. But MANPADS "Igla" would not hurt. Look, in Slavyansk, helicopters were shot down. And immediately they stopped flying.
                  1. Slavich
                    Slavich 4 May 2014 14: 37
                    +4
                    First of all, means of destruction of armored vehicles are needed. Well, there are more snipers to shoot pravoseks, and conscripts do not really want to go to war.
                    1. svd-xnumx
                      svd-xnumx 4 May 2014 22: 12
                      +4
                      During the entire punitive operation, the militia did not set fire to more than one armored personnel carrier of the Ukrainian army, they hide behind them and fire.
                  2. lg41
                    lg41 4 May 2014 17: 41
                    +5
                    In Slavyansk there is a smart professional Commander
                    1. Giacint a
                      Giacint a 6 May 2014 21: 24
                      +1
                      Allowing "gaponism" on armored personnel carriers and Nazi guards ?! Where are the ambushes, land mines and traps, fire bags ??? In general, the war is specific ?! And after Odessa, the question is whether or not!
                  3. skeptic
                    skeptic 4 May 2014 21: 26
                    +5
                    Quote: naGua
                    10 thousand weather trunks will not do. Only a lot of blood.


                    As far as I remember, in the salt mines, weapons and ammunition of the 1st and 2nd world wars are stored. the largest warehouses in Eastern Europe, which "protect" from the right-wing people, by checkpoints of the self-defense forces.
                    So that? This is not a weapon? Afghans began to fight with English guns of the 18th century.
                    If the Ukrainian army saw the REAL DECISION of the PEOPLE, it would have long gone over to the side of the Southeast.
              4. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 4 May 2014 13: 46
                +16
                To enter the troops you need a front line. Such as, for example, along the borders of Crimea. And your front line goes from person to person - the troops have nothing to do here. Nowhere to shoot them, but for the slaughter we will not leave our soldiers. Show him where you have the Russian rear, where is OUR that you need to protect? As long as everything is mixed up, Russian troops will not be able to enter.
                1. lg41
                  lg41 4 May 2014 17: 43
                  0
                  Come and look at the place. Maybe you can help something
              5. STi_v
                STi_v 4 May 2014 15: 20
                +19
                No brother, disagree with you. You don’t have enough weapons. You do not have enough companions. There are boys you are talking about and they are real heroes, this is certain. But THEM are few. Sympathizing with them, worrying about their future, considering themselves Russian and sitting at home are not people. This is the population. And if this population regrets that their leaders are abducted, complain to their neighbors and continue to stay at home - nothing will change. I will not repeat myself, I wrote my opinion in the message above. Ready to discuss. I’m ready to turn out to be wrong, I even want to turn out to be wrong, but I’m afraid that it is so, at least as long as it is.
                1. lg41
                  lg41 4 May 2014 17: 46
                  0
                  "Ready to debate." If you are ready to fight, come. We will be glad to receive real support. On a smoke break, we will discuss and find mutual understanding
                  1. SHI69
                    SHI69 4 May 2014 19: 28
                    +3
                    Sevastopol went
                2. Xunta
                  Xunta 6 May 2014 17: 05
                  0
                  There will be blood .... there will be people who will avenge this blood .... this is only the beginning ...
              6. Harin Oleg
                Harin Oleg 4 May 2014 17: 47
                +14
                There is an old proverb: "When two dogs are fighting, the third one does not go." In Ukraine, there are Russian-speaking citizens who, a priori, are citizens of their own, again, theirs, country. Under Soviet rule, not everything there. Thank God there was a national issue, in particular, in relation to the Russians. And after 23 years of independence, you should not indulge yourself in the hope that there is something left of the brotherly (or - "brotherly"?) People. The bulk of the people is absolutely indifferent to what is happening, I think that we can talk about 97-98 percent of the population. This amorphous mass is already observing what is happening with indifference, but it will not allow anyone to interfere in their internal affairs. Nobody, except the citizens of Ukraine themselves, will settle the situation. But the paradox of the situation is that they themselves (without the intervention of a third force) cannot do this. And any "third dog" will be torn apart by the fight and immediately joined them, dozing until that time, the crowd. Everyone goes crazy in their own way, and Ukraine makes its own choice, and there is nothing to meddle with - there will be no sense for Russia in any case. One hemorrhoid, which is already enough ...
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 5 May 2014 01: 30
                  +6
                  Quote: Kharin Oleg
                  There is an old proverb: "When two dogs are fighting, the third one does not go."


                  Chapai thinks


                  05.05.2014, 0: 04
                  ARTICLE AUTHOR: macroud

                  Well, when, well, when ?! Why is Putin lingering? Ah, rather introduce an army to the Donbass! And to Odessa! And immediately to Kiev! Crush this fascist scum! And there, not far to Berlin, and to Washington. Indignant citizens and ... all kinds of provocateurs impatiently call for this.

                  The outrage is understandable, but ... Donbass is successfully holding on. Odessa is focusing. Other New Russia begins to think something. But all the attempts of the junta remain only attempts. In general, everything is developing quite well, no matter how cynical it may sound. Russian Ukraine should be consolidated, should be organized, should be well organized! And this process is gaining momentum right before our eyes. They will do it themselves. And already cope. The main thing is not to bother them!

                  But they can interfere. That same "progressive humanity" ...

                  The deployment of Russian troops now to protect the Russians of Donbass is a license for exactly the same deployment of troops of the Romanian, Hungarian and Polish! They will not deny themselves this pleasure - after all, in Ukraine there are both their citizens and their fellow tribesmen. With the subsequent introduction of other NATY. And to hell that object to this! And something tells me that it is unlikely that the "liberating army" will confine themselves to the territories of their compatriots.

                  And the UN peacekeepers will not help either. In the best case, they simply stop the situation, i.e. force the population to submit to the junta. Will such an option suit us? No, this option will not suit us!

                  And if these "peacekeepers" are, for example, from Georgia and Estonia? What, will we veto? On an initiative whose formal purpose has so long been unsuccessfully advancing by Russia itself?

                  No, now the task of Russia is not the deployment of its troops, but the prevention of the entry of any other troops. And here we will stand to death! Well, the feasible help of New Russia, of course. But who will advertise such help?

                  Patience, friends, patience! We intervene, necessarily intervene - we simply cannot but intervene. But we will do it in an optimal way. When the time comes.

                  Do not put pressure on Putin. Do not customize it. He will do everything right. I'm sure we will all like it!
                  1. I am proud of Russia
                    I am proud of Russia 5 May 2014 09: 06
                    +2
                    Corsair (2) SU Today, 01:30 ↑
                    Chapai thinks
                    05.05.2014, 0: 04
                    ARTICLE AUTHOR: macroud

                    Well, when, well, when ?! Why is Putin lingering? .... Do not put pressure on Putin. Do not customize it. He will do everything right. I'm sure we all will like it!

                    Support. hi Everything is correctly and intelligibly said.
              7. aleshka
                aleshka 4 May 2014 20: 37
                +8
                Boys, they are boys! They don’t know what death is and don’t believe in it! But really how many people will take up arms (if any) is the question! In millionth Odessa, at least one hundred thousand people should have taken to the streets, and how many did ??? three hundred? five hundred? So conversations remain conversations, but there really isn’t much resistance !!!
                1. okunevich_rv
                  okunevich_rv 6 May 2014 12: 23
                  0
                  Our statements about the inconsistency of Ukraine’s resistance are even more offensive to those who protect people from being law-abiding, but the facts are stubborn things, I think either the Russians in Ukraine are repressed and annihilated, or they will hold out until the fall, and there the lazy ones will rise from hunger and cold and will swell their cheeks like they are from the first days with the militia, and maybe against the militia.
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            3. Umnichka
              Umnichka 4 May 2014 12: 29
              +14
              The question is not only to save them - if we don’t react, tomorrow we will have the same. Saving the Southeast, we save ourselves. No options.
              1. lg41
                lg41 4 May 2014 17: 47
                0
                Right thought
              2. velikoros-xnumx
                velikoros-xnumx 4 May 2014 19: 34
                +7
                Quote: Umnichka
                Saving the Southeast, we save ourselves. No options.

                SUCH we will not. There are no prerequisites, there is no prepared soil (although it was prepared for about 20 years, as in Ukraine, but almost unsuccessfully), there are no such massive national and ideological contradictions (I cannot remember the existence of opposing Western and Eastern Russians). We had our own Maidan on Bolotnaya, which did not have even the slightest support from the population of at least Moscow, the most "liberal"-minded city, not to mention the main massif of Russia.
                In Ukraine, the seed initially fell on prepared soil (which is a sin to hide, let's not deny the obvious) that’s the whole story.
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            5. Anna Kirichuk
              Anna Kirichuk 4 May 2014 13: 04
              +11
              I agree with you 100%. Reason is seething with indignation that fascism is walking around Ukraine, and the bulk of the population is silent ...
              1. lg41
                lg41 4 May 2014 17: 48
                +2
                fascists not only walk, but also shoot unarmed without warning. and enjoy corpses
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            7. zaboyschik
              zaboyschik 4 May 2014 13: 08
              +8
              How many have you hammered that there are no Urins. Yesterday, they armed everyone who had enough weapons, you don’t see that they shoot anyway with or without weapons. Wake up, shoot without warning only see. We are no longer asking for any troops, just heavy weapons to combat armored vehicles. Even the baboons in Libya, Syria, are supported by Saudi Islamists, and our brothers can’t throw a pissing cartridge to us.
              1. SHI69
                SHI69 4 May 2014 19: 30
                +3
                this must be done! Sevastopol is with you!
              2. tank64rus
                tank64rus 5 May 2014 19: 38
                +4
                Hit their communications. You are at home. Create volatile mobile groups on motorcycles or jeeps. The number of 3-4 people, weapons, AK, RPG, SVT. Do not wait for everything at the checkpoints. Ambush at the approach, more maneuver. A soldier wants to eat and drink, and equipment needs fuel and lubricants. Do not let them rest at their bases. hunt for the lobsters. Show them that they are occupiers here.
            8. Nick
              Nick 4 May 2014 20: 12
              +3
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

              The conclusion is correct, but in addition to political assistance, the militia of the southeast needs the help of the military-technical cooperation line. America does not hesitate to support the Kiev junta, Russia should do the same ...
            9. Foxmara
              Foxmara 4 May 2014 21: 12
              +3
              and their victory is a hundred times more expensive than the gift, and they have the resources to win!
            10. s1н7т
              s1н7т 4 May 2014 21: 51
              -14%
              Your IMHO deserves a place in your own ... Well, you get the idea. My relatives live in Odessa, Russians! And they live in Kotovsk, and many more where there. They are Russians! If Pudding does not eliminate this outrage - the "state of Ukraine", he will repeat the "feat" of those who created him.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 22: 17
                0
                Quote: c1n7
                Your IMHO deserves a place in your own ... Well, you understand. My relatives live in Odessa, Russians!

                Quote: c1n7
                If Pudding does not eliminate this outrage - "the state of Ukraine"

                What are YOUR specific suggestions? !!
                1. s1н7т
                  s1н7т 4 May 2014 23: 27
                  -9
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  What are YOUR specific suggestions? !!

                  There is only one proposal - to return the territory to the "historical homeland"!
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2014 09: 07
                    +1
                    how, please, without slogans, a clear plan of action, how, when, how you are going to deal with the consequences, analysis of a possible conflict outside of Ukraine.
                    1. s1н7т
                      s1н7т 5 May 2014 20: 09
                      -2
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      a clear plan of action how when when how

                      "And for what purpose are you interested?" (C)
              2. makarick
                makarick 4 May 2014 23: 12
                +9
                You insult the president of the country you are asking for help that protects you, if not for Putin, then Bendera would have resolved the issue with you a long time ago, but honestly, Russia could have split up into republics without him (remember the time of Yeltsin). It’s just not beautiful to be so rude. I also worry about the inhabitants of Ukraine, I have a sister there, nephews, and they are not Ukrainians ...
                1. s1н7т
                  s1н7т 4 May 2014 23: 24
                  -13%
                  Quote: makarick
                  (remember the times of Yeltsin)

                  Gee! And where did your Solntselikiy come from, isn't it from Yeltsin ?! Have you drunk your brain?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2014 09: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: c1n7
                    And where did your Sunshine come from

                    Well, what was silent a year ago, it was necessary to nominate yourself for the presidency of the Russian Federation, apparently, you have enough knowledge
                    1. s1н7т
                      s1н7т 5 May 2014 20: 07
                      -4
                      No, the president of such rude people like you - fire! laughing
              3. Giacint a
                Giacint a 6 May 2014 21: 36
                0
                And maybe enough to help the French, Germans, Poles and, now, RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF UKRAINE. At the expense of the lives of our people to demolish those governments that they themselves have kept silent. In the last century, in Afghanistan, the awareness of inter-shit in relation to bachelors came in the 2nd week of presence across the river.
            11. Myka
              Myka 5 May 2014 13: 23
              0
              we live almost the entire recent history in an atmosphere of sanctions, so nevermind, we will still live =)
            12. Sandov
              Sandov 5 May 2014 16: 02
              +2
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

              Food, weapons, ammunition will not hurt, intelligence, drone strikes on the nests of the Nazis and the demolition team. Bare hands with these animals can not cope.
            13. Containers
              Containers 6 May 2014 02: 00
              +1
              "My hut is on the edge" - it is rightly said about the attitude. Only people will not understand in any way that the extreme hut usually starts to burn first ... Apparently everyone is waiting for this understanding.
        2. Bob
          Bob 4 May 2014 10: 30
          +7
          Quote: Skipper2050
          The GDP is waiting for something (some kind of report) and everything will be wrapped up.

          VV is preparing a strike where no one is waiting. The meeting of the 20 matches in Beijing in May 2014.
        3. chehywed
          chehywed 4 May 2014 11: 28
          +13
          Quote: Skipper2050
          GDP is waiting for something

          The results of the referendum on May 11.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 May 2014 11: 33
          +27
          Quote: Skipper2050
          Let them put their sanctions in their ass, GDP is waiting for something

          Putting WIPO in is a predictable maneuver on the part of Putin, and he acts like no one expects. We will not understand what Putin will do only when he takes a step and not earlier.
          1. koshh
            koshh 4 May 2014 13: 38
            +9
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We will understand what Putin will do only when he takes a step and not earlier.

            That's right. We have no right to decide and suggest GDP. He is our president and the opinion of the majority of the people he knows. So what are we waiting for.
        5. Xergey
          Xergey 4 May 2014 11: 59
          +13
          waiting for people to blow out themselves, and not to hide in huts
          1. zaboyschik
            zaboyschik 4 May 2014 13: 23
            0
            One more, here those who came out without weapons are shooting, then that.
            1. niki233
              niki233 4 May 2014 22: 39
              +4
              and you sit further down the huts and they will come to your home soon.
        6. Corporal
          Corporal 4 May 2014 12: 13
          +19
          GDP is not waiting for a report, GDP is waiting for Ukraine to wake up. So far, there is no certainty that the vast majority of even the southeast is unequivocally for Russia. And sending your troops into hostile territory is a sure way to rake in a bunch of problems.
        7. Buran
          Buran 4 May 2014 14: 50
          +4
          The operation in Crimea was being prepared for a month, and with the maximum support of the local population, and the complete wretchedness of the military potential of Ukraine. Now we need to prepare for action in the South-East where all the combatant punitive punishment of Banderstad is pulled together. It takes time, and not a couple of weeks. Without serious reconnaissance, training and the accumulation of forces, no one will be with a bare sword. It’s just that all these ersatz punishers need to understand, they will wet, all without mercy.
        8. Zeus
          Zeus 4 May 2014 17: 40
          +2
          You say so, as if you know what GDP is doing. Here is the video amusing. Even the audio. About possible options
        9. 2я19
          2я19 4 May 2014 18: 20
          -16%
          It is trite scary to our GDP. And there’s nothing to wait.
        10. Myka
          Myka 5 May 2014 13: 22
          +1
          they would have given the go-ahead to the military registration and enlistment offices to keep a record of volunteers, there isn’t regular infantry there, there’s more volunteers, more than enough of them, in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug-Ugra there would be a hundred
      2. krpmlws
        krpmlws 4 May 2014 07: 43
        +8
        Why is the Russian Federation inactive, where is the help to compatriots? The introduction of troops is one thing, why is military or humanitarian assistance not provided? What are we waiting for, the referendum? How can you wait for something if blood is pouring in Ukraine, rampant fascist obscurantism? You need to come to the rescue now fraternal people. Inaction, betrayal of compatriots, criminal connivance to fascism.
        1. VeteranS
          VeteranS 4 May 2014 10: 14
          +31
          And who will officially tell you that Russia is now providing various assistance, including military assistance? I have no doubt that such assistance has been provided for a long time, only without unnecessary noise, politely and specifically!
          There will be an hour "H" and we will all learn that such a real help to the fraternal people of the South-East of Ukraine!
          1. Sinara70
            Sinara70 4 May 2014 11: 56
            +9
            How do you want to believe in it !!!!!
            And this help, both by people and RPGs, and by Mukhami-oh-I NEED IT !!!!!
            One FLY - 10 saved lives .... those who have not even been born !!!!
            1. kenig1
              kenig1 4 May 2014 21: 12
              0
              RPGs and Flies, how is it?
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          3. zaboyschik
            zaboyschik 4 May 2014 13: 25
            +4
            You can doubt it does not. In Kramatorsk this happens only because there was ammunition with a gulkin nose.
        2. zulusuluz
          zulusuluz 4 May 2014 11: 20
          +12
          To whom? Who considers the Russian occupiers? So when they see the real invaders and ask for help - then something can be done.
        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 11: 52
          +2
          Quote: krpmlws
          why military or humanitarian aid is not provided?

          But how do you imagine the provision of suppose humanitarian assistance (I won’t talk about the military) ?!
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 May 2014 13: 09
          +9
          Quote: krpmlws
          Why the Russian Federation is inactive, where is the help to compatriots?

          Because the events in Ukraine are our modern Caribbean crisis, which, with one wrong move, can lead to the 3rd world with the use of nuclear weapons.
          Although I wrote here two years ago that the clash between the West and the East is only a matter of time. It stinks of war.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 5 May 2014 07: 41
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Warrior stinks.

            Sasha! Holy war doesn't stink request It smells and you can’t hide from this smell love Report from the Noose On the Neck: Better to die standing than to live on your knees Julius Fucik
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 May 2014 09: 10
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Holy war doesn't stink

              ANY war stinks and dies in any war, including children and women, only a degenerate can love and admire it
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 5 May 2014 09: 18
                +2
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                only a degenerate can love and admire war

                I do not understand request I don’t admire and don’t like. If those conditional women who poured bottles with infernal mixture in Odessa die in this war, then believe me, the corpse of such an enemy always smells good Probably because once and for all
      3. svp67
        svp67 4 May 2014 07: 47
        +26
        Quote: platitsyn70
        About 20 military aircraft, including Su-27 fighters, have just flown over Kirovsky towards Dzhankoy, ”said residents of the Kirovsky district of Crimea.
        Another witness said that several dozen Russian aircraft flew towards Belbek airport.
        “Two transport planes were seen over Kerch several hours ago,” said one of the local residents.

        Our planes flew to Crimea for display at the May 9 air parade ... look at them for several different types ...
        1. His
          His 4 May 2014 07: 56
          +24
          Probably getting ready for the parade (official version)
          1. Evrepid
            Evrepid 4 May 2014 09: 47
            +11
            aha "swifts" and "Russian knights", the official statement, will not participate in the parade in Moscow. since will be at the parade in Sevastopol.
          2. kenig1
            kenig1 4 May 2014 21: 14
            0
            Yes, the Tu-160 and Tu -95 were adjusted for the war with the Ukrainian junta, and IL-78 for refueling, flying far away.
        2. Rostovchanin
          Rostovchanin 4 May 2014 08: 41
          +18
          flew to the Crimea for display at the air parade in honor of May 9.

          four tu-95s are too much for a parade ... + tu-160 - 1 unit, but it is not advisable to use them in Ukraine, there are no targets for them ... there are front-line bombers and attack aircraft "behind the back"
          1. serega.fedotov
            serega.fedotov 4 May 2014 09: 06
            +24
            Quote: Rostovchanin
            four tu-95s are too much for a parade ... + tu-160 - 1 unit, but it is not advisable to use them in Ukraine, there are no targets for them ... there are front-line bombers and attack aircraft "behind the back"

            "Parades" are held not only for their own people, but also for their neighbors!
          2. Evrepid
            Evrepid 4 May 2014 09: 49
            +4
            We don’t argue, but you yourself think, especially against the background of the assertion that Crimea is truly Ukrainian land.

            further in this regard, everything is laid out correctly.
          3. Kolya
            Kolya 4 May 2014 10: 45
            +8
            It’s just there that one Tu-160 is needed to hit the den of fascism in the presidential administration (in Parubiy and Co.). Why beat the simple conscripts who drove for the ATO? Do you think those guys want to fight against their people?
            1. Ustian
              Ustian 4 May 2014 10: 53
              +13
              Quote: Kohl
              Do you think those guys want to fight against their people?

              NOT! Not to want. But they are fighting! And therefore to wet, and not only in outhouses ....
            2. andrejwz
              andrejwz 4 May 2014 11: 04
              +7
              Quote: Kohl
              It’s just there that one Tu-160 is needed to hit the den of fascism in the presidential administration (in Parubiy and Co.).

              And then declare that the administration of the president and Co. made an act of self-destruction.
              1. I am proud of Russia
                I am proud of Russia 5 May 2014 09: 31
                0
                andrejwz RU Yesterday, 11:04 ↑
                Quote: Kohl
                It’s just there that one Tu-160 is needed to hit the den of fascism in the presidential administration (in Parubiy and Co.).
                And then declare that the administration of the president and Co. made an act of self-destruction.

                Exactly! I think this idea has been coming to many people for a long time. Hit the den of fascism. After all, "the fish rots from the head." Maybe there will be those who are not afraid to put it into practice!
            3. Lukich
              Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 04
              +7
              Quote: Kohl
              Do you think those guys want to fight against their people?

              and there the National Guard mainly fights (the right sector)
            4. zaboyschik
              zaboyschik 4 May 2014 13: 30
              +3
              What conscripts, behind the backs of the few regular ones are the real Bandera Nazis, but here they suggest going out to the streets with demonstrations.
            5. nicolai64
              nicolai64 4 May 2014 13: 34
              +6
              At first, operations could have suggested that the warriors did not want to fight. Even there were crossings to the side of Donbass. And mind you, now there are no such cases. Either they were well intimidated or exchanged for the right ones, who do not care who to shoot at. And now troops from Zhytomyr and Zaporozhye (far from Zapadents!) Are participating in the operation. So morality is melting before our eyes. Previously, no one dared to go BMP on people, and right now one old man easily crossed his legs and nothing. I think that if the GDP continues to stretch back, then the resistance will be spread like flies. Then there will be no one to save. I feel sorry for people, they hope for the help of Russia.
              1. His
                His 4 May 2014 14: 29
                +2
                They are soiled in blood. This is the favorite tactics of the Nazis. When you kill, you are a killer, by definition, at least one hundred.
          4. Containers
            Containers 6 May 2014 02: 16
            0
            In fact, plans for basing in the Crimea YES have long been announced. To control the Black Sea, for example.
      4. aleks700
        aleks700 4 May 2014 08: 11
        +1
        And I don't care. And the president’s friends?
      5. Ustian
        Ustian 4 May 2014 09: 41
        +43
        the troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order,I don’t give a damn about US sanctions personally.
        I support categorically !!!
        Well, from myself I’ll add-I do not care about everything related to seshea and their analyses in Europe !!!
        Prasekov and Ultrasek destroy mercilessly.
        Including whores, hammer cocktail packers ....
        1. Sinara70
          Sinara70 4 May 2014 11: 59
          +9
          I support, CATEGORALLY !!!!
          To score a Big Bolt - To Frau, To all Gay Europe, and to the black president a !!!!!
          Pravosekov captured - DO NOT TAKE !!!!!
          Only to the wall !!!
          1. AndreyS
            AndreyS 5 May 2014 13: 06
            +1
            Nooooo! Pravosekov captured TAKE !!!!!!! But to give to their relatives burned in Odessa, and killed in the Donbass !!!!!!!!!
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      6. Bayard
        Bayard 4 May 2014 11: 26
        +7
        Quote: platitsyn70
        The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.

        God forbid, because Donetsk has been overlaid on all sides, and the formation of the militia has just begun, one spirit and small arms may not be enough, but everyone’s mood is gloomy and very decisive ... if support from the air, everything would break once!
      7. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 4 May 2014 11: 29
        +6
        Quote: platitsyn70
        The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.

        About the "bad consequences" of the introduction of troops it is the pind..sy who make stuffing on the Internet, "calls on the radio", etc. Allegedly from "sensible Russians". Like - "at the wrong time!" For the United States, the introduction of Russian troops and complete control by Russia over the territory united by bad will in the bad moments of our history called Ukraine is the complete collapse of their geostrategic project. Delay is fraught not only with the tragedies that have already happened - people died, but also with the mobilization of all anti-Russian forces with the organizational and very significant financial support of the United States (I hope that they will list who stood up and will stand "under the banner of the junta" during the reading of the judgments of the tribunals)
      8. Xergey
        Xergey 4 May 2014 11: 58
        +5
        troops should be introduced only after 200-300 thousand people go out into the street, and there is no sense they will sit and wait when we arrive, I think it's honest why we will go to die and local houses sit to wait
        1. Vanko
          Vanko 4 May 2014 14: 48
          +1
          In-in, as in one well-known anecdote: "Take your time, now we will slowly go down and cover the whole herd ..."
      9. MEDVED
        MEDVED 4 May 2014 12: 05
        +5
        who does not care like "Strelka", has long been in the Donbass with weapons in hand .... They do not shout: why Putin hesitates, it is high time to send troops to Ukraine, and take up arms. Our brothers, sisters, sons, husbands and fathers serve in the armed forces of the Russian Federation. And in war, as you know, they kill.
      10. Validator
        Validator 4 May 2014 12: 34
        +4
        Quote: platitsyn70
        probably it’s time to lead the troops, how much it can go on mockery of the people.

        The introduction of troops is an extreme, last resort. It is right to take control of the border, the legal grounds for this in the DPR and Lugansk are already there and voiced. And introduce volunteers, supply weapons. A statement by Yanukovych from Ukrainian territory on the reassignment of troops should turn the tide. All loyal troops of the junta near Raisins to surround and defeat them need about 10000 people. After that, the path to Kiev will be open and the junta will scatter
      11. Andrey44
        Andrey44 4 May 2014 13: 42
        +3
        I ask you not to escalate much. Our aircraft, with the advent of Shoigu, simply began to conduct more training, maneuvers, firing, flights. This is observed throughout Russia. Where there are bases, training is going on everywhere, as in the USSR (if you remember how often the turntables flew along the famous sandy beach near Feodosia) and this inspires confidence - this is ours. I am sure that the blow to the fascists will be unexpected and extremely effective.
      12. Free Island
        Free Island 4 May 2014 14: 40
        +1
        Quote: platitsyn70
        I don’t give a damn about US sanctions personally.

        yes in my opinion on these sanctions EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY DOESN'T give a damn)) sanctions are the self-comfort of the niger Obananymama and his puppeteers))
      13. Docent1984
        Docent1984 4 May 2014 19: 13
        +3
        We all do not care about their sanctions)
      14. aleshka
        aleshka 4 May 2014 20: 30
        +1
        I understand your mood! According to my emotions, I would also be in favor of bringing in troops, BUT, if 50% of the population of the southeast are now pro-Russian, I’m afraid that after the troops are sent there will be ten percent left, IMHO !!!
      15. ATATA
        ATATA 4 May 2014 21: 06
        0
        Quote: platitsyn70
        The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.

        Well, you just do not speak for yourself.
        For example, I do not care about the same sanctions.
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      17. Botanologist
        Botanologist 4 May 2014 22: 08
        +3
        Quote: platitsyn70
        probably it's time to drive troops


        Probably it's time to strangle all the idiots who are trying to pretend that they are leading the country. And troops are not required for this.
        With the introduction of troops, we will save the Kiev junta both morally and politically - all Westerners expect this only.
      18. acute
        acute 5 May 2014 10: 11
        0
        what would Russia do or not, there will be sanctions. I don’t even know that now either an open confrontation or a wait and see attitude is more preferable. The only force that accelerates the escalation is the United States, they are also the only force capable of stopping this nightmare with one decision. After all, the current Kiev authorities listen only to them
      19. Lyudamila
        Lyudamila 6 May 2014 18: 34
        0
        The whole world today has already recognized that the fascist junta, under the leadership of the United States, is creating genocide of its people! How much more to wait for help from Russia! After all, this is our people! Every life is valuable! God gives her! The Nazis should not take these lives !!!
      20. Kassandra
        Kassandra 6 May 2014 18: 41
        0
        if you don’t fuck up .. with sanctions and will not withdraw your troops from Ukraine (from Krivoy Rog, etc.) then you can reduce the staff
        better start with nevada
      21. Flanker
        Flanker 6 May 2014 21: 52
        0
        I’ll write here to be seen.
        Not everything is as it is written here. I talked with the ultras who participated in the march, received some info and videos from him, and some of the blog articles. After the attack of the column, she didn’t rush to Kulikovo Field herself, people appeared in the crowd who gathered people and invited them to go there (I don’t remember what they proposed to do). The video of one of the supporters of federalization (they didn’t all go to the building, some went around and didn’t touch them) shows that from the roof several young men with the same red armbands threw bottles down and shot (!) With pistols, the same centurion actually shot back (continuous video 25 minutes, I didn’t watch completely). A fire broke out on the 3rd floor, where cocktails did not reach. There were several views that showed that the ultras were HELPED to those who jumped out of the windows, rather than finished off. Plus the corpses inside, a jamb that I myself did not notice these oddities in the pictures: for the majority only the upper part of the body and hands were burned, while on the legs even the clothes were not burned. Plus uncharacteristic for poses burnt in the fire. Plus, where the bullet inlets are visible. One photo clearly shows that the corpse of a woman was dragged along the floor, soot marks remained (where there are two corpses near the doors).

        Inside the retreating, they ALREADY waited and started a massacre, killed in different ways and cruelly, the stairs (at least one) were barricaded so that people could not hide on the upper floors, and the bodies of the dead were poured with a combustible mixture and set on fire. Some were still poured alive, such brushes burned to the bones from the fact that they tried to shake the burning mixture from their heads.

        Those from the crowd who entered the building also noted the oddities, and therefore shout that they set themselves on fire. They also wondered why those who were seated in the building could not even reach the windows. My interlocutor turned out to be quite adequate, and justified the burning of the town by events on the street, when provocateurs attacked them (the burning of the town, but not the murder inside). His words - "We just walked with the ultras of Chernomorets in a peaceful march before the game, then we were attacked by quilted jackets with firearms ... and what should we have done when they killed ours?" The crowd was extras and was led to a controlled provocation. Judging by the video, the march was indeed quite peaceful. Those who did not march inside staged a massacre; it was organized by the same people along with the provocation of the crowd. The same people who gave orders to the militia detachment with red armbands, and possibly the entire militia as a whole.
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        1. Apollo
          Apollo 6 May 2014 22: 56
          0
          Quote: ivnti
          It is necessary to wipe Ukraine off the face of the earth as soon as possible!


          negative и -!
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 4 May 2014 07: 52
      +15
      Now the separation of the Southeast is no longer even a matter of probability, but a matter of time.

      NATO bombed Serbia after showing two dozen and hastily dressed Albanian sadists.

      Everything became clear and clear after the statement of the spokesman of our Supreme that there was no official Kiev (!!!). In plain language, translated from diplomatic, it means only one thing - THE BANDERLOGUE'S AUTHORITY IS ANNOUNCED CRIMINAL AND DELIVERED OUTSIDE THE LAW, AND MEANS THE RESPONSIBLE ACTION IS CONSEQUENT!
      I am 100% sure that preparations for retaliatory measures to compel banlerlogs to sanity are proceeding in the most active way .... We were waiting for the results of the referenda of May 11 to know more or less exactly the mood of the entire region and have more legitimate rights to support the people of SEI. .. but the situation requires more urgent intervention, but not for support, but to protect the defenseless from the punishers of Kiev and Western mercenaries!
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    4. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 4 May 2014 07: 55
      +7
      Quote: Humpty
      Banderlog will have to die


      and maydanutykh from central and south-eastern Ukraine would be sent together with Bandera.
    5. sibiriak
      sibiriak 4 May 2014 08: 33
      +5
      TOTALLY AGREE TO THE ARTICLE.
      1. 222222
        222222 4 May 2014 11: 18
        +5
        sibiriak SU Today, 08:33 ↑
        "I FULLY AGREE WITH THE ARTICLE." .. from the Internet chronology on May 2:
        .. "well equipped and trained units of the Right Sector. These units were deployed at recreation centers in Karolino Bugaz and on the Sukhoi estuary.
        The day before yesterday (29/04/14), Parubiy came to Odessa, one of the leaders of the Pravosek, to discuss plans for a bloody massacre with the city leaders, security officials and the Pravosek. Parubiy brought 50 armor vests to Odessa for pravoseks (5, as the military call this model). Ask yourself why it was necessary to bring these armor vests, if the procession of the so-called "ultras" was supposed to be peaceful.
        ALL TALKS ABOUT THAT THIS WAS A COLLISION OF THE ULTRA WITH ANTI-MAYDANIAN FALSE! THIS WAS A PLANNED OPERATION OF THE RIGHT SECTOR WEAPONED WITH FIRE WEAPONS WITH PEACE CITIZENS OF ODESSA!
        Chronology of yesterday at the Kulikovo field ... "
        http://vk.com/wall4538918_1155
    6. Horde
      Horde 4 May 2014 09: 54
      -27%
      Now I answer the question. Why Putin did not send troops. What for? In Donbass and Lugansk the situation is stable.

      there’s no bazaar, they burned the Russians in ODESSA now the situation is stable and Putin can not send troops, they will burn DONETSK or LUGANS the situation will become STABLE too, you can not send troops, the logic of the fanatic ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 11: 24
        +5
        maybe it’s not necessary to incite so frankly ?!
        1. Horde
          Horde 4 May 2014 11: 50
          -6
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          maybe it’s not necessary to incite so frankly ?!


          after yesterday it’s necessary to beat the NABAT, and you dude think everything, no matter how the dog is nausalized?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 11: 55
            +9
            Quote: Horde
            and you dude still think, as if the dog weren’t bitten?

            I don’t remember that we would graze sheep together, so take the trouble not to poke.
            I have one feature, as soon as I get to a fight, I can’t stop, so I always try to pull it all the way, but it’s one thing when the balance is only your destiny and it’s completely different when the fate of the country is, and you need to think a hundred times what is more important
            1. Horde
              Horde 4 May 2014 12: 16
              -14%
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              I’m trying to delay it, but it’s one thing when only your destiny is on the scales and when the destiny of the country is completely different, and you need to think a hundred times what is more important


              just don’t fall asleep along the way, when you will think a hundred times, how much time do you need to think? everything is tied to Putin by the year 20 - is it enough for you?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 12: 24
                +4
                Well, since such a booze has gone.
                why are you cursing yourself here ?!
                forward to help Odessa residents, or at worst write an appeal to the prosecutor’s office as I suggested on the next branch or only here is brave, and where we need to show our position we are in the bushes
                1. Horde
                  Horde 4 May 2014 12: 50
                  -7
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  forward to help Odessa residents, or at worst write an appeal to the prosecutor’s office as I suggested on the next branch or only here is brave, and where we need to show our position we are in the bushes


                  here is the idea that THE PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH-EAST EAST are guilty that everyone doesn’t go out to fight, so Putin doesn’t answer, it’s a STRONG INFORMATION STROKE. You don’t get any help until you get out, so when they kill one HUNDRED THOUSAND then Putin will think with whether it is worthwhile to send troops, or at least to throw some Kalash-THIS IS A PEOPLE'S POSITION ...
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 13: 03
                    -1
                    Quote: Horde
                    THIS IS A PEOPLE'S POSITION ...

                    you'd better be silent like Putin
                    1. Horde
                      Horde 4 May 2014 13: 09
                      -9
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      you'd better be silent like Putin


                      dried up already? not much you can ...
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 13: 15
                        +2
                        and you suggest me to get on all fours and start barking?
                        By the way I would like to know all the same, but who do you work with?
                      2. Horde
                        Horde 4 May 2014 14: 34
                        -3
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        do you suggest me to get on all fours and start barking?
                        By the way I would like to know all the same, but who do you work with?


                        Chancellery of Messrs. GEORGE VICTORIAL laughing
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 14: 51
                        +4
                        in the elderberry garden ...
                        except snot and rudeness, not a word in the case
                      4. Horde
                        Horde 4 May 2014 16: 05
                        -8
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        in the elderberry garden ...
                        except snot and rudeness, not a word in the case


                        Well, what else can you say?
                      5. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 4 May 2014 22: 19
                        +6
                        Quote: Horde
                        Well, what else can you say?


                        Horde, calm down. If you think it’s time to send troops, justify and give predictions. And hysteria is a simple matter, but not very fruitful.
                      6. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 4 May 2014 22: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Horde
                        Well, what else can you say?


                        Horde, calm down. If you think it’s time to send troops, justify and give predictions. And hysteria is a simple matter, but not very fruitful.
              2. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 4 May 2014 16: 30
                +1
                Quote: Horde
                not much you can ...


                You poke something for everyone. You break a poke. Lay out your abilities and capabilities. Something your remarks remind .... Although they are not yours.
          2. 222222
            222222 4 May 2014 13: 46
            +4
            Horde (8) SU Today, 12:50
            ... see the situation ..
            1. "On May 1 Vesti" The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov was removed from the leadership of the "special operation" in the east of the country, having appointed in his place the head of the SBU Valentin Nalyvaichenko, who, after consultation with the leader of the "Right Sector" Dmitry Yarosh, appointed an assault on the checkpoints on May 2, said source in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. "
            On May 2.1, at 21:00 Kiev time (05/01/14 02:00 PM Washington), the closed hearing of the US Armed Forces in Europe - he is also NATO Allied Forces in Europe Admiral Bradlock in the US Senate Armed Forces Committee on the topic “The Ukrainian Crisis and Russia” ( Ukrainian Crisis and Russia) .. There is NOTHING in the media on the speech (DEMOCRACY and American freedom of information)
            the Ukrainian crisis and RUSSIA are already connected .. There are no other non-USs, EUs ... there are no people of the southeast .. Earlier, he was supposed to perform in April as planned, but rescheduled .. and with a new wave .. Maybe it's a shit on .. cm point 3
            3. at 4 on May 30, the operation began .. ”Yesterday at 2 in the morning the active phase of the anti-terrorist operation began in the area of ​​Slavyansk-Kramatorsk .. (Avakov)
            ... May 2, Odessa
            At 14.00 on Cathedral Square, a gathering of the Right Sector, numbering 2000, was scheduled. At 14.30 they began their march through the city with the slogans "Death to the enemies!" At 19.30 information was received that the right sector, numbering 2000 armed men, was heading for the Kulikovo field. Only by 23.00 the police, with the help of 2 police vehicles, managed to bring in from the Kulikovo field and the building about 50 people beaten and wounded Anti-Maidan supporters .. "
            4.Deep thought of the US State Department on the topic: "counteraction to Russian intervention and ... They give it out as a fait accompli .. and not only but also COUNTERACTION and PROTECTION ,,
            On May 6, the US Senate Foreign Relations Commission heard a hearing on the topic “Ukraine - Countering Russian Intervention and Supporting a Democratic State” (Yankees see “Russian intervention in Ukraine” as a fait accompli ?? ?? The main speaker is the same Nuland. The one who oversaw all of this from the US .. and treated them to pies on the Maidan ..
            Did you get it ???
            1. Vanko
              Vanko 4 May 2014 15: 01
              +6
              Here. And everyone is screaming, why doesn’t Putin send troops? That is why it does not introduce that Nuland had nothing to report. They provoke Russia to proclaim it a universal enemy and begin to support democracy in full, with other goodies instead of cookies.
              And the excess weapons are amazed with plenty, and the more Russians soak each other, the better ...
              1. svd-xnumx
                svd-xnumx 4 May 2014 22: 53
                +3
                and the money that Ukraine should give back will not be necessary - who is paying the debt to the aggressor, they are expecting compensation from the aggressor and a new Marshal’s Plan to restore the economy according to European standards for joining the EU.
              2. I am proud of Russia
                I am proud of Russia 5 May 2014 09: 59
                0
                Vanko (1) SU Yesterday, 15:01 PM ↑
                Here. And everyone is screaming, why doesn’t Putin send troops? That is why it does not introduce that Nuland had nothing to report. They provoke Russia to proclaim it a universal enemy and begin to support democracy in full, with other goodies instead of cookies.
                And the excess weapons are amazed with plenty, and the more Russians soak each other, the better ...

                Exactly! Surely many people think that we will now introduce our troops and everything will be fine. Misconception. It’s not a fact that the Americans will also not openly send troops there, and even Poles and Romanians who will protect their citizens in Ukraine. And this is already the 3rd World War. Then Ukraine will be completely and completely lost. And then in the Russian troops there are also living people, not robots. They are sons, brothers, husbands, fathers. Therefore, the introduction of troops of the Russian Federation is an extreme measure. Just do not want it to come. I need another plan to smoke the junta from the lair and I think it will definitely be.
          3. Containers
            Containers 6 May 2014 02: 20
            0
            Do not confuse sour with soft. Very so cleverly you "go out to fight" and "hundred thousand will kill you" mixed in a heap.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 4 May 2014 12: 04
    -23%
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    maybe it’s not necessary to incite so frankly ?!

    No need to paint white and fluffy where they are not! WHERE is our President on vacation? Why hasn't he appeared NEVER since the beginning of the punitive operation - what is he hiding from? From whom?! "Ay, you got me all - give me a rest !?" And do not try to dismiss the fact that the President has a job above the roof: on ordinary days he flickers in the frame constantly. What kind of secrecy has it suddenly appeared that he slips a press stand to express his opinion at a crucial moment?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 12: 18
      +7
      Quote: avia1991
      WHERE is our President on vacation? Why didn’t light up from the beginning of the punitive operation NEVER - what is hiding from?

      Once again, what should he run like kirkors and yell for the whole world ?!
    2. Horde
      Horde 4 May 2014 12: 20
      -16%
      Quote: avia1991
      No need to paint white and fluffy where they are not! WHERE is our President on vacation? Why hasn't he appeared NEVER since the beginning of the punitive operation - what is he hiding from? From whom?! "Ay, you got me all - give me a rest !?" And do not try to dismiss the fact that the President has a job above the roof: on ordinary days he flickers in the frame constantly. What kind of secrecy has it suddenly appeared that he slips a press stand to express his opinion at a crucial moment?


      do you understand where the people are? and where is Putin? here the war is small, people are killed, little things in life, and Putin’s affairs are gas, pipes, debts, it’s impossible to take care ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 12: 25
        +4
        Quote: Horde
        gas, pipes, debts

        you are right not to consider, including those that you could spoil in nete
        1. Horde
          Horde 4 May 2014 12: 56
          -13%
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          You are right not to count, including those that you could spoil in nete


          it’s you who’s shitting against your people when you justify the inaction of the authorities, and I have always been and will be against Putin the usurper and the destroyer of the Russian people, now it’s already visible to everyone who he really is ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 13: 28
            +2
            Quote: Horde
            and I have always been and will be against Putin the usurper and the destroyer of the Russian people, now it’s already visible to everyone who he really is ...

            Well, you are a guardian for the Russian people, do not tell me why you are not in Little Russia yet?
            1. ODIN ASS
              ODIN ASS 4 May 2014 14: 16
              +1
              and there they can snatch the nostrils)))
          2. ODIN ASS
            ODIN ASS 4 May 2014 14: 15
            0
            Russian or Slavic ??? ... if we are talking about Russians, then there are only a few of them, and if they are about the second, then since the Slavs themselves are not destroying one Putin will not pull)))
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 4 May 2014 18: 57
              +6
              Quote: ODIN ASS
              "Russian or Slavic ??? ... If we are talking about the Russians, then there are only a few of them, and if about the second, then since the Slavs are destroying themselves ...".


              F.M.Dostoevsky: “One very special word about the Slavs ...”

              “I want to say one very special word about the Slavs, which I have long wanted to say. Russia will never have, and never has had, haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees to recognize them liberated! And do not mind me
              do not dispute, do not shout at me that I am exaggerating and that
              I am a hater of the Slavs! ..
              ... They will certainly begin with the fact that inside themselves, if not directly out loud, they will declare to themselves and convince themselves that they are not obliged to Russia with the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they could hardly escape from the power of Russia during the conclusion of the peace by the intervention of a European concert if Europe didn’t intervene, Russia, having taken them away from the Turks, would have swallowed them at once, “having in mind the expansion of borders and the foundation of the great All-Slavic empire in the enslavement of the Slavs by a greedy, cunning and barbaric Great Russian tribe”.
              For a long time, oh, for a long time they will not be able to recognize the disinterestedness of Russia and the great, holy, unprecedented in the world raising its banner of the greatest idea, of those ideas that a person lives and without which humanity, if these ideas cease to live in it, becomes stiff cripples and dies in ulcers and in impotence ...

              ...It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to express
              and blow the whole world that they are educated, capable tribes
              to the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, a gloomy northern colossus, not even of pure Slavic blood, a persecutor and hater of European civilization ...
              ".
              F.M. Dostoevsky
              PSS in 30 volumes, PUBLICISM AND LETTERS. VOLUME XVIII-XXX, DIARY OF THE WRITER, November 1877, Volume 26, Chapter II, THE MOST LAKEIC CASE WHICH ONLY MAY BE, paragraph III.
              http://maxic.sxnarod.com/iz-dnevnika-f-m-dostoevskogo.html
              1. Containers
                Containers 6 May 2014 02: 31
                0
                Pulling it out of context, and at the same time changing it (a little bit, imperceptibly, huh) is not a very smart lesson. Dostoevsky must be read carefully and in its entirety.
          3. Horst78
            Horst78 4 May 2014 16: 37
            +3
            Quote: Horde
            everyone can already see who he really is

            I can see it, but you need an ophthalmologist
            1. I am proud of Russia
              I am proud of Russia 5 May 2014 10: 16
              +1
              Horst78 (1) RU Yesterday, 16:37 ↑
              Quote: Horde
              everyone can already see who he really is

              I can see it, but you need an ophthalmologist


              An optometrist will not help. It all comes from the head. Another doctor is doing this. No matter how one relates to his president, he does not honor him to be rude to call him. At least for now it is not visible who could replace him. First of all, he is responsible for his country and his people, and the distinguishing feature of the great commanders (the story is not me) is to be a subtle and sensitive strategist, and not to slash his sword right and left.
          4. AndreyS
            AndreyS 5 May 2014 13: 30
            +1
            Quote: Horde
            it is you who are the ones who shit against your people when you justify inaction by the authorities

            What do you mean???!
            Dear you think about what (roughly speaking) you are carrying! The troops do not need to enter a big mind! And what's next?! You are not just asked here to make an objective assessment of the entry of troops into Ukraine! Because by entering them there it will be necessary to reach the western borders of Ukraine, otherwise it will be a breeding ground for bandits (he’s already organized), with a very good background (they cleaned up the guys !!!! to all regions of Russia with terrorist acts! Are you ready that tomorrow your house will come and blow you up. Volgograd is not enough for you? !!!!!! And by the way, anticipating your objection, let me remind you that the FSB is not so huge that it would track millions of Bendera and law enforcement officers. Analyze the situation, and then write the slogans with a bang and write your tantrums !!!!!
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 4 May 2014 12: 58
          -11%
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          what could you spoil in nete

          You can wave your saber as much as you like, protecting the President. Moreover, quite stupidly, because .. well, I, for example, realize the complexity of his work, and remotely imagine how busy he is - I don't need to prove it! But despite the fact that such busyness is ALWAYS present, usually he has time to "light up" on the screen every day - and not once! And at such a RIGHT IMPORTANT, I would say, moment, from the minute the assault began, there was NOT ANY APPEARANCE IN ANY KIND, except for Peskov's vague comments through a "gurgling" telephone connection.
          So let's judge a man according to his affairs! Give me at least one proof of His actions in THESE DAYS! CAN you? But the situation is far from ordinary!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 13: 11
            +11
            Quote: avia1991
            So let's judge a man according to his affairs! Give me at least one proof of His actions in THESE DAYS! CAN you? But the situation is far from ordinary!

            and let’s do it on business, Crimea is the same thing.
            and as for the evidence, can you PROVE THE BACK?!
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 4 May 2014 14: 04
              0
              And no one disputes his merits in
              Crimean issue. Just let’s remember WHAT IT REQUIRED FROM HIM to solve this issue? .. Correct: accept the request of the Crimean population expressed by the LEGITIMATE Crimean leadership! Let's be honest: Crimeans themselves have provided themselves almost on a silver platter. And the external environment was not threatening either. And now WILL is really required! The manifestation of which the majority of the population hopes - including myself! But so far, nothing has been seen or heard.
              And you did not answer my question. Apparently, there is simply nothing .. request
              1. ODIN ASS
                ODIN ASS 4 May 2014 14: 19
                -3
                Crimeans themselves provided themselves practically on a silver platter. nunu .....)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Have you seen them "leaders" of Crimea ???))) what a saucer ??? this is sheep)) ))
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 4 May 2014 14: 27
                  0
                  I recommend that you begin to learn courtesy: YOU, sir, I’m not a matchmaker or brother, and based on the style of your presentation, you will never become one - so please keep yourself within the bounds!
                  As for the leadership of Crimea: not you, again, elected him, not you, dear, and judge them. Their popular support is stronger than that of our President, and It would not be worth it to insult Crimeans with their statements.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 14: 44
                +4
                Quote: avia1991
                That's right: accept the request of the Crimean population expressed by the LEGITIMATE Crimean leadership! Let's be honest: Crimeans themselves have provided themselves almost on a silver platter

                You think so?
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 4 May 2014 15: 02
                  -3
                  Maybe you have more information? I think so, and not only me. The issues of organizing the safe conduct of a referendum, etc., are technical details. The expression of will was confirmed - and only then was it said "yes", the Kremlin press service confirms this. Before that, there were many "thoughts" and consultations - but it all boiled down to one real action: accept the request and satisfy it. No - in comparison - risk. And today it is necessary to oppose not only foreign opinion - but, first of all, its own economic lobby, which "does not shine" to have sanctions in relation to its capital! This is where a really STRONG POLITICAL WILL is needed! The people will only scratch themselves from these sanctions - they have never really fattened themselves. Has it ever occurred to you to compare the numbers? The 45 millionth Ukraine consumes 50 billion cubic meters of gas per year for its own needs .. And Russia! with 145 million - only 63! And there are enough such indicators.
                  Somehow hi
                  PS By the way: AND YOU DO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION .. NOTHING? Your desire to answer a question with a question speaks of leaving for a deaf defense. No arguments left? Then let's just finish. It was nice to talk yes
                2. Mexican
                  Mexican 4 May 2014 17: 43
                  +2
                  [quote = avia1991] Did it ever occur to you to compare the numbers? The 45 millionth Ukraine consumes 50 billion cubic meters of gas per year for its own needs .. And Russia! with 145 million - only 63! And there are enough such indicators
                  Congratulations to you, citizen of Sovramshi!

                  According to the results of 2012, gas production in Russia amounted to 655,01 billion cubic meters. m., which is 2,3% below the level of 2011; while in December, production amounted to 65,76 billion cubic meters.
                  Domestic gas consumption in Russia in 2012 decreased to 459,754 billion cubic meters. m (-2%), of this volume in December accounted for 55,48 billion cubic meters. m (+ 0,4%).
                  Source: Oilcapital.ru http://www.oilcapital.ru/industry/192410.html

                  In Ukraine: "Ukraine in 2012 reduced gas consumption by 7,6% - to 54,7 billion cubic meters." This is stated in a message on the website of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry.
                  Source: RBC Ukraine http://www.rbc.ua/rus/top/show/ukraina-snizila-potreblenie-gaza-v-2012-g-na-7-6-
                  --do-54-7-mlrd-24012013182600
                  What do we have?
                  Russia: 460 billion / 145 million = 3172 m3 per person / 1 year
                  Ukraine 55 billion / 45 million = 1222 m3 per person / 1 year

                  I think enough. The rest of your arguments, probably from the same speckled deck.
                3. Mexican
                  Mexican 4 May 2014 17: 43
                  0
                  [quote = avia1991] Did it ever occur to you to compare the numbers? The 45 millionth Ukraine consumes 50 billion cubic meters of gas per year for its own needs .. And Russia! with 145 million - only 63! And there are enough such indicators
                  Congratulations to you, citizen of Sovramshi!

                  According to the results of 2012, gas production in Russia amounted to 655,01 billion cubic meters. m., which is 2,3% below the level of 2011; while in December, production amounted to 65,76 billion cubic meters.
                  Domestic gas consumption in Russia in 2012 decreased to 459,754 billion cubic meters. m (-2%), of this volume in December accounted for 55,48 billion cubic meters. m (+ 0,4%).
                  Source: Oilcapital.ru http://www.oilcapital.ru/industry/192410.html

                  In Ukraine: "Ukraine in 2012 reduced gas consumption by 7,6% - to 54,7 billion cubic meters." This is stated in a message on the website of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry.
                  Source: RBC Ukraine http://www.rbc.ua/rus/top/show/ukraina-snizila-potreblenie-gaza-v-2012-g-na-7-6-
                  --do-54-7-mlrd-24012013182600
                  What do we have?
                  Russia: 460 billion / 145 million = 3172 m3 per person / 1 year
                  Ukraine 55 billion / 45 million = 1222 m3 per person / 1 year

                  I think enough. The rest of your arguments, probably from the same speckled deck.
                4. avia1991
                  avia1991 4 May 2014 18: 42
                  -1
                  Specially stopped by and checked. The data that they gave me contains a clear error, where it got into - it is not clear, but - I voiced .. request in this connection, I admit my guilt and apologize for the "misinformation". This does not change the essence of the matter much, since the gas lobby, in any case, does not want to lose money on restricting supplies to the West - I believe that this moment is unlikely to be disputed by anyone.
                  Once again I was convinced of the correctness of the old statement: trust - but verify! Sorry hi
                  But about "everyone else" .. So, apart from the minuses, I did not hear a clear answer to the question, because of which the whole fuss started. "Minus" can be reasoned, but if there are no arguments, they simply minus from impotence. IMHO.
                5. serg2.72
                  serg2.72 4 May 2014 21: 05
                  +3
                  Yes, you wrote everything correctly, no statistics are required. Visit the place where this gas is produced and around, go to the east. And it will turn out to be gas in many places, especially in the district centers of villages, until now, although the main pipes to the west are rods. And also see how many enterprises in Russia use gas and how much / And it turns out that it is the population of this gas in Russia that has less than the Ukrainians. Therefore, if you wish, it is quite possible to arrange gas sales in Russia, and our people will pay for it, unlike Ukraine and the Transcaucasus !!!
                6. avia1991
                  avia1991 4 May 2014 22: 26
                  +1
                  Actually, that's what I meant, thanks. It is more profitable to export gas, and not only from a political point of view. And to the Russian villages .. probably "atomic" electric stoves will appear faster wink
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 5 May 2014 00: 48
              +2
              Quote: Mexican
              The rest of your arguments, probably from the same stained deck

              Quote: avia1991
              Once again I was convinced of the loyalty of the old statement: trust - but verify!

              I won’t entertain with numbers, I’m not an accountant. Just an everyday example: my neighbor in the country was resting with his wife’s relatives in Ukraine (this was before the stormy Kiev events; and he noticed that the owners did not turn off the gas stove (that is, the gas burns around the clock When he asked the question: "why"? - he received the answer that it was troublesome to "kindle" the gas stove every time, and therefore: "let it burn; the gas is cheap." Here's just a fact of life without any "org" and "watered "-vyvodov. Just let me" end ": gas, of course, Russian-not "'re coming out-shale."
          2. kombat58
            kombat58 5 May 2014 01: 03
            +2
            I apologize.
            I am Sevastopol. And I want to tell you that the saying "big is seen at a distance" is not always right. In this case, I am not judging by publications in the press.
            It's just that in some cases a private must know his maneuver, and unfortunately for a private - EVERYTHING! But only the Commander-in-Chief needs to know the concept of the operation and the course of its implementation. And after the Crimean campaign, as a former battalion commander, I will allow myself an unprecedented audacity to say "Everything is going according to plan." And it is precisely the control over the execution of the GDP plan that is now BUSY! Not everything you know can be left to chance.
      2. sleepy
        sleepy 4 May 2014 19: 27
        +3
        Quote: avia1991
        "And no one disputes his merits in the Crimean issue.
        Just let’s remember WHAT IT REQUIRED FROM IT
        to resolve this issue? .. Correct: accept the request of the Crimean population expressed by the LEGITIMATE Crimean leadership! Let's be honest: Crimeans themselves have provided themselves almost on a silver platter.
        And the external environment was not threatening either. "


        Despite the apparent simplicity of the decision by V. Putin, the reaction of the State Department was close to hysterical.
        Americans themselves are laughing at US sanctions.
        It turns out that something went wrong according to the plans of the State Department.

        Quote: avia1991
        "And now the WILL is really required! The majority of the population hopes to manifest it - including me!
        But so far nothing is seen or heard. "


        The situation is more complicated, wait and see.
        In chess, this is called an "intermediate move" in order to
        so that the enemy himself drove himself into the zungzwang.

        An intermediate move is a chess move, an unobvious move, intermediate and quiet moves, counterattacks, non-standard tactical defense techniques, not foreseen in the basic idea of ​​a forced variant or combination.
        An intermediate move can: disrupt the preliminary calculations, change the planned course of events on the chessboard.

        Zugzwang (German: Zugzwang “forced to move”; ☉) -
        chess position in which any player’s move leads
        to the deterioration of his position.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 4 May 2014 22: 23
          0
          Quote: sleepy
          The situation is more complicated, wait and see.

          The situation is more complicated, no one argues. It’s just painful to see people die there !!! How ub.lyud.ki-pravoseki triumph: they all get away with it! .. Evil takes from impotence ..
  • ODIN ASS
    ODIN ASS 4 May 2014 14: 18
    +4
    here’s another ... yes, I haven’t brought troops yet ... and thank God !!!))) .. that means there is no reason yet .. and let it not be better !!!!!
  • tenere1200
    tenere1200 6 May 2014 23: 33
    0
    Quote: Horde
    Quote: avia1991
    No need to paint white and fluffy where they are not! WHERE is our President on vacation? Why hasn't he appeared NEVER since the beginning of the punitive operation - what is he hiding from? From whom?! "Ay, you got me all - give me a rest !?" And do not try to dismiss the fact that the President has a job above the roof: on ordinary days he flickers in the frame constantly. What kind of secrecy has it suddenly appeared that he slips a press stand to express his opinion at a crucial moment?


    do you understand where the people are? and where is Putin? here the war is small, people are killed, little things in life, and Putin’s affairs are gas, pipes, debts, it’s impossible to take care ...

    In fact, Crimea, too, was chopped off without a bazaar. No one said anything. Putin seems to never even come out of the box. Over a month more than 2 million people moved to us, and no one even farted. I, too, am not a supporter of Putin’s policy on many issues, but I still think that his (Putin's) activities should be approached more differentially. He does a lot of bad stuff. Again from our point of view. But there is real merit. The army comes to life. They put the production of the Yak-242. Shipyards began to build something. They cut the Crimea again - please pay attention - before that, they just handed out. Well, we do not discount that the mass of corrupt officials - such as Mendel and his advisers Aslambek Dudayev and Arkash Dvorkovich - are also not sickly pulling a blanket over themselves.
    Stalin, when he came to power, really began to steer the country by the end of the 30s. So far, he has corroded the entire shushara. I do not draw analogies. But suddenly this is the same topic - only on a different turn of history? I also want to declare my grievances. Horde - let's wait for the intermission. Suddenly, at the end of the play, everything will become clear, and you, to your shame, will need to take your words back? the more so because the horses at the crossing do not change.
  • ODIN ASS
    ODIN ASS 4 May 2014 14: 13
    +2
    And when did the Tsar in Russia report to anyone? .. say so and so, they say excuse me, I forgot to ask everyone what I should do and what and most importantly when I express my opinion for everyone)))
  • Thompson
    Thompson 4 May 2014 11: 41
    -1
    Not tired of being guilty everywhere?
    Do not do good, so as not to know evil! We are already BEGINNING TO BE SATURATED - all of Eastern Europe, the former republics of the USSR, and now also the "fraternal" Ukrainian ...
    He deliberately took in quotation marks and with a small letter, today they are just that — some scum, other ostriches
  • Naum
    Naum 4 May 2014 14: 28
    +9
    Nobody is going to lay the hands of Russian guys for the freedom of those whose "house is on the edge". Until Russia sees a massive popular protest in the Southeast, a general strike against the Junta, nothing will happen. Yes, we will help, but for those who want to help themselves! Raise your assholes soon, brothers-Slavs!
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 4 May 2014 15: 11
    +5
    Quote: Horde
    -logic of a fanatic ...


    Do you mean that? A smart politician thinks, evaluates, makes decisions and acts. For example, Crimea. It supported more than 80% - it began to act. And Yu-V is estimated to be no more than 10%. Moreover, activity is very low. If you pretend to have problems. So your logic is pushing for suicide. You need to think, think ...
    In the meantime, scumbags are already turning to us ...

    "Right Sector" - to the peoples of Russia: your fate is being decided in Ukraine!
  • dFG
    dFG 4 May 2014 09: 59
    +28
    until there really are popular uprisings, nothing needs to be bombed .. in the millionth Odessa there was no people to repulse 3-5 thousand zapadentsev ?? and what is it normal ??? and it is necessary for the Russian Federation so that later they shoot in the very back that they are sitting at home today and the name is Russian troops ?? don't think
    1. Horde
      Horde 4 May 2014 10: 04
      -9
      Quote: dfg
      until there really are popular uprisings, nothing needs to be bombed .. in the millionth Odessa there was no people to repulse 3-5 thousand zapadentsev ?? and


      and you yourself would go against the armed fighters? WITH WEAPONS WITH BOTTLES WITH GASOLINE, WITH STICKS? it is not necessary to reproach Odessaites, it is necessary to help them to ORGANIZE and ARM that is what they expect from Putin, but he DOES NOT DO HORSE, is silent what is silent?
      1. maxcor1974
        maxcor1974 4 May 2014 10: 52
        +25
        What to arm? Sticks, gas, bottles? Vegetables sit at home and protest in front of the TV. What do you think if the number of protesters took to the streets in Odessa as they would not have received support in Sevastopol? Or would Natsik try to attack them?
        You offer to help them with weapons, but because of the small number of protesters and their lack of organization, it is generally unclear to whom to help there. In Donetsk and Lugansk, resistance management is organized and it is possible that they will get help (downed helicopters suggest this idea), we are waiting for a referendum from them, and then a decision will be made ...
        To send troops into the region without accurate information about the loyalty of the population is a chance to run into a guerrilla war in their rear and completely rally against themselves a coalition of Euro-Americans, ready to take active actions (at the moment, recall, there is no agreement in the "comrades").
        Therefore, there is no need to "drive" against our leadership, despite the terrible tragedy in Odessa, it did not succumb to provocation and I believe that it keeps the situation under control. And you do not need to kick yourself in the chest with a heel, as if you alone are worried about the dead and blame others for the inaction. I think Putin has no desire to become the second Nicholas 1, because of whose policy Russia lost the Crimean War.
        1. Horde
          Horde 4 May 2014 11: 02
          -11%
          Quote: maxcor1974
          What do you think if the number of protesters took to the streets in Odessa as they would not have received support in Sevastopol? Or would Natsik try to attack them?


          what are you chasing? in SEVASTOPOL they didn’t shoot civilians, as in ODESSA, therefore everyone was on the streets ...
          1. maxcor1974
            maxcor1974 4 May 2014 11: 19
            +18
            They didn’t shoot, because they didn’t allow them to fire weapons, the Tatars tried to rock themselves, but when tens of thousands came out against them, they quickly ran away and did not protrude anymore, they realized that such a crowd would trample them underfoot.
            And in Odessa, most of the banderlogs were armed with sticks and Molotov cocktails, units had traumatism. Supporters of federalization have a problem with sticks, bottles and cobblestones? Or do you think that by sending a batch of machine guns to help you increase the number of opponents of the junta on the streets?
            1. Horde
              Horde 4 May 2014 11: 28
              -3
              Quote: maxcor1974
              Supporters of federalization have a problem with sticks, bottles, and cobblestones? Or do you think that by sending a batch of machine guns to help you increase the number of opponents of the junta on the streets?


              Russian ODESSES are ordinary people -civilians, they were attacked by Militants and Mercenaries. PROFESSIONAL POWDERS who were trained and received a lot of money, i.e. united and organized, Putin needs to create organizations capable of rebuffing the militants, for this it is necessary to introduce special forces and create a military structure, but he does nothing, therefore death, therefore pogroms ...
              1. Sunflower
                Sunflower 4 May 2014 12: 25
                +10
                when the Nazis attacked the civilian population of our country, by the way, well-trained partisans appeared and waged a disruptive war. Is there really no smart head in Ukraine to do anything, and not wait for the Russians to do everything for them, then they, Russian, on occasion do not call the invaders ... IMHO
              2. Olga Kemerovo
                Olga Kemerovo 4 May 2014 12: 26
                +3
                Today I saw a video message of the Crimean self-defense units. They say guys we are going to you. What do you think, in the units will be only Crimeans?
                1. ODIN ASS
                  ODIN ASS 4 May 2014 14: 25
                  0
                  what is this Zaporizhzhya’s asshole? 7 where will they go ??
              3. ODIN ASS
                ODIN ASS 4 May 2014 14: 24
                +3
                people with training do not shoot on roofs from PM-s, barely moving because of the sagging belly.
              4. Vanko
                Vanko 4 May 2014 15: 17
                +8
                Quote: Horde
                Russian ODESSES are ordinary people -civilians, they were attacked by Militants and Mercenaries. PROFESSIONAL POWDERS who were trained and received a lot of money, i.e. united and organized, Putin needs to create organizations capable of rebuffing the militants, for this it is necessary to introduce special forces


                Good troll, fat laughing What does Putin have to do with it? Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians. Where is Yanukovych? He is the president of Ukraine, an independent state, among other things. Putin is the president of another state, if that. He is obliged to act primarily in the interests of Russia, and secondly in the interests of the Allies. Ukraine is not Russia yet and not at all an ally. What questions?
                1. I am proud of Russia
                  I am proud of Russia 5 May 2014 10: 56
                  0
                  Vanko (1) SU Yesterday, 15:17 PM ↑
                  Good troll, fat laughing at what does Putin have to do with it? Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians. Where is Yanukovych? He is the president of Ukraine, an independent state, among other things. Putin is the president of another state, if that. He is obliged to act primarily in the interests of Russia, and secondly in the interests of the Allies. Ukraine is not Russia yet and not at all an ally. What questions?

                  100 points! yes
              5. Russian jacket
                Russian jacket 4 May 2014 15: 21
                +6
                You forget that Ukraine is not our ulus ... Crimea is a completely different matter. In Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, the population has weapons, which prevents them from having them in Odessa. And as for the president, it’s right that he is silent and thus increases the hysteria of the general people. We silently need to wait until not 20% will welcome the entry of troops, but all 90. Then time. And then in the days of the Union, we broke a lot of firewood on emotions ... hi
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 11: 28
            +7
            Quote: Horde
            in SEVASTOPOL they didn’t shoot civilians, as in ODESSA, that's why everyone was on the streets

            but let's not confuse cause and effect, maybe because we didn’t shoot, because EVERYONE got up there
            1. Horde
              Horde 4 May 2014 11: 33
              -7
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              let's not confuse causes and effects, maybe because they didn’t shoot, because EVERYONE got up there


              it’s in your head a vinaigrette, TEN WEAPONED Militants will disperse a THOUSAND CROWD of unarmed people ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 11: 47
                +4
                Quote: Horde
                TEN WEAPONED MILITANTS TO DISCONNECT A THOUSAND CROWD OF UNAIRED PEOPLE ...

                the crowd is yes, but if this crowd has leaders, then no, and for the future try not to be rude, it's me about the salad
                1. Horde
                  Horde 4 May 2014 11: 59
                  -6
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  the crowd is yes, but if this crowd has leaders, then no, and for the future try not to be rude, it's me about the salad


                  you already recognized the lack of leaders, already progress, can you further recognize the lack of weapons against the armed? and then it remains to admit that your chase against ODESSITS is just shit?
                  Yes, about the salad, I didn’t say such people as you know EVERYTHING and lie, of course, TOTALLY CONSCIOUSLY, most importantly, whatever IDOL was touched, all hope is here ...
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 12: 20
                    +4
                    Quote: Horde
                    you already recognized

                    Once again, for those who are not at all understanding, you will poke your friends.
                    Quote: Horde
                    and then it remains to admit that your drive against ODESSITS is just shit?

                    your rudeness is tired
                  2. Horst78
                    Horst78 4 May 2014 16: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Horde
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    the crowd is yes, but if this crowd has leaders, then no, and for the future try not to be rude, it's me about the salad


                    you already recognized the lack of leaders, already progress, can you further recognize the lack of weapons against the armed? and then it remains to admit that your chase against ODESSITS is just shit?
                    Yes, about the salad, I didn’t say such people as you know EVERYTHING and lie, of course, TOTALLY CONSCIOUSLY, most importantly, whatever IDOL was touched, all hope is here ...

                    Have a psychiatrist been observed? How can your nonsense be understood?
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 4 May 2014 12: 49
              +4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              but let's not confuse cause and effect, maybe because we didn’t shoot, because EVERYONE got up there

              And you shouldn't "discount" MAKHONKY SUCH factor of the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 13: 04
                +2
                I do not argue, but the parable of frogs in a jar of sour cream comes to mind
                1. Mexican
                  Mexican 4 May 2014 17: 58
                  0
                  In Crimea, sour cream, while in the south-east is still the reverse, there is no oil yet, unfortunately.
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            3. Anna Kirichuk
              Anna Kirichuk 4 May 2014 13: 11
              +3
              that's it, if they had stood in the same SE hundreds of thousands, then they would have been afraid to send an army to them ... Ieh ... citizens, citizens, SAMO will not resolve, everyone must decide what he wants!
            4. Anna Kirichuk
              Anna Kirichuk 4 May 2014 13: 11
              +2
              that's it, if they had stood in the same SE hundreds of thousands, then they would have been afraid to send an army to them ... Ieh ... citizens, citizens, SAMO will not resolve, everyone must decide what he wants!
          3. AndreyS
            AndreyS 5 May 2014 13: 41
            0
            Quote: Horde
            what are you chasing? in SEVASTOPOL they didn’t shoot civilians, as in ODESSA, therefore everyone was on the streets ...

            I advise you to read the article of a militia from Sevastopol on this site, as they did not shoot at civilians! And I also remind you of the events in Simferopol, when the people with the Majlis grabbed (they didn’t shoot the same there ... ????).
          4. Thompson
            Thompson 5 May 2014 18: 33
            0
            Who is stopping you from shooting them?
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        2. Olga Kemerovo
          Olga Kemerovo 4 May 2014 12: 21
          +8
          Back in February, Yakov Kedmi (google, if interested, the Israeli security official-analyst) began to say that Russia would send troops, that it would be forced. Crimea left competently, and the leadership of this departure was noticeable. But Crimea wanted to go to Russia. And what does Odessa want? It is a pity for people, but thoughtless, on the emotions, the introduction of troops will only aggravate the situation. Enough of us Afghanistan. I think Putin is silent for a reason. He was silent before the Crimea
          1. MEDVED
            MEDVED 4 May 2014 17: 46
            0
            I AGREE FOR ALL 100%! Why should our army rake porridge brewed by someone. Ukraine itself cannot understand what it wants. It so happened that the Russians were divided. But this is not a reason to introduce Russian troops to all countries where Russian is oppressed. Russia will run out of steam, and the Russians will come to an end.
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 11
        +18
        Quote: Horde
        but he DOES NOT HERE DO NOT, is silent what is silent?

        since the tongue does not grind in vain, then it works
        Quote: Horde
        ARMED Militants? WITH WEAPONS WITH BOTTLES WITH GASOLINE, WITH STICKS?

        and in Odessa gasoline ran out? few sticks? or GDP should also bring a stick? or should he go home and lift "my hut on the edge" from the sofas?
        Quote: Horde
        and you yourself would go against the armed fighters?

        Quote: Horde
        and you yourself would go against the armed fighters?

        and who prevents them from arming themselves? or in Odessa there aren’t a couple of thousand hunters with guns? It's time for us to take on the matter !!!!
        1. Horde
          Horde 4 May 2014 11: 19
          -18%
          Quote: Lukich
          and who prevents them from arming themselves? or in Odessa there aren’t a couple of thousand hunters with guns? It's time for us to take on the matter !!!!


          in general, people should also go to work and earn money for families, that’s why MASS PERFORMANCE in cities takes place on Saturday and Sunday, while the militants went through PREPARATION, LEARNED in military affairs, got BIG MONEY so that you don’t have to think how to keep family.
          I think you also know everything, only knowingly spreading misinformation, thereby covering Putin’s inaction and unwillingness to stand up for the Russian people ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 11: 30
            +19
            Quote: Horde
            in general, people should also go to work and earn money for families

            sometimes you have to sacrifice something, if the enemy at the gate you also say we will fight only on weekends, how should I feed my family ?!
            1. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 4 May 2014 11: 53
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              sometimes you have to sacrifice something


              residents of Odessa will sacrifice something? wassat These are traders and jokers!

              This is in Dagestan ... Makhachkala tramps (if you don’t know who they are - here is the link http://kvnbest.ru/command/mahachkalinskie-brodyagi) defended their republic.
          2. maxcor1974
            maxcor1974 4 May 2014 11: 34
            +16
            You either do not understand the whole complexity of the situation in Ukraine, or you deliberately act as a provocateur. It is impossible to make happy against the will. And only a few hundred picketers near the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Odessa today do not give information to our government about the desire of the majority of the population of the Odessa region to send our troops. And you will not succeed in justifying the passivity of the population with fear. After all, people in Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk are no less scared, but their men are on the barricades, and their women provide their rear, and the junta can do nothing with them. And they probably get help (I hope you understand that they did not shoot down helicopters from a slingshot).
            So, "Putin's inaction and unwillingness to stand up for the Russian people ...", in fact, turns out to be his unwillingness to involve Russia in a major war in a situation where the majority of the population of southern Ukraine does not ask for this help.
            1. kare
              kare 4 May 2014 14: 00
              +6
              maxcor1974 SU Today, 11: 34 ↑ New

              You either do not understand the whole complexity of the situation in Ukraine, or you deliberately act as a provocateur. It is impossible to make happy against the will. And only a few hundred picketers near the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Odessa today do not give information to our government about the desire of the majority of the population of the Odessa region to send our troops. And you will not succeed in justifying the passivity of the population with fear. After all, people in Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk are no less scared, but their men are on the barricades, and their women provide their rear, and the junta can do nothing with them. And they probably get help (I hope you understand that they did not shoot down helicopters from a slingshot).
              So, "Putin's inaction and unwillingness to stand up for the Russian people ...", in fact, turns out to be his unwillingness to involve Russia in a major war in a situation where the majority of the population of southern Ukraine does not ask for this help.

              I fully subscribe to this point of view.
              I’ll add that it’s not worth introducing regular troops at all
              Only contractors. Soberly think, what can a young soldier, serving for several months in the Armed Forces? Correct, be cannon fodder, while he is still gaining combat experience, youth must be preserved
              Underestimate the enemy, no matter how stupid he is
              The best option without noise and stampede is to stuff the place with volunteers
              With good documents, who are not able to build barricades out of tires, but really multiply PSEs by zero, but mercenaries for one. With a good stable psyche, whatever the question is. " am BURNING OR NOT BURNING"
              Well, and accordingly, the means for multiplying on 0
              And of course, tea, accordion, and our hospitality! (Especially for western mercenaries) recourse
            2. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 4 May 2014 15: 48
              +3
              Quote: maxcor1974
              So, "Putin's inaction and unwillingness to stand up for the Russian people ...", in fact, turns out to be his unwillingness to involve Russia in a major war in a situation where the majority of the population of southern Ukraine does not ask for this help.


              I agree to all 100. The West is only waiting for this to blame Russia.
              We need endurance, a sober assessment of the situation.
              1. Kopeck
                Kopeck 4 May 2014 23: 18
                +1
                Absolutely agree. It is necessary that people show their will, rather than expecting someone to do everything for them. It’s only a pity that there are already so many dead.
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          4. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 14: 59
            +13
            Quote: Horde
            in general, people should also go to work and earn money for families

            and to receive zinc coffins for Russian mothers? well settled ...
          5. kombat58
            kombat58 5 May 2014 01: 19
            0
            Interestingly, and if in a month you turn out to be wrong, you will at least apologize.
            I don’t count on more.
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 11: 27
        +14
        Quote: Horde
        and you yourself would go against the armed fighters? WITH WEAPONS WITH BOTTLES WITH GASOLINE, WITH STICKS?

        but let's not take on weak, tea is not in the sandbox.
        the majority of the population sits and waits, as a result it will wait what kind of phrase in Russian will be beaten in the face at best.
        and now you will not envy GDP and want to help, and Russia cannot be drawn into the war, you can recall how the aid to the Serbs ended in the 14th of the last century
        1. Horde
          Horde 4 May 2014 11: 37
          -12%
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          the majority of the population sits and waits, as a result it will wait what kind of phrase in Russian will be beaten in the face at best.


          people need help, arm and organize, and your Putin is silent for the third day, like a fish on ice ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 11: 49
            +14
            Quote: Horde
            people need help, arm and organize, and your Putin is silent for the third day, like a fish on ice ...

            Well, firstly, you need to have those to whom to help, and if it comes to that who should give weapons, secondly, and what should the GDP do to run and scream without a break ?!
            this is not the main advantage of a leader and apparently you have never personally led anyone
            well, and third, yes I VOTED FOR PUTIN
            1. Horde
              Horde 4 May 2014 12: 02
              -6
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Well, firstly, you need to have those to whom to help, and if it comes to that who should give weapons, secondly, and what should the GDP do to run and scream without a break ?!
              this is not the main advantage of a leader, and apparently you haven’t ever led anyone


              there they KILL PEOPLE, AND YOU THINK HERE, who to give, to whom not to give, to give everyone weapons, who with a St. George’s ribbon, and even better WITH RED AND FASCISM WILL NOT PASS ...
              1. svp67
                svp67 4 May 2014 12: 29
                +4
                Quote: Horde
                there they KILL PEOPLE, AND YOU THINK HERE, who to give, to whom not to give, to give everyone weapons, who with a St. George’s ribbon, and even better WITH RED AND FASCISM WILL NOT PASS ...
                Our troops are pulling up to the border, and already from the internal districts, and everyone already knows that ... The Security Council of the Russian Federation is holding meetings - moreover, OUTSIDE PLAN. Wait. In order for the GDP to say something to the world, we must now clearly demonstrate to this world what we are ready to confirm every word of it with by force.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 12: 44
                +5
                Quote: Horde
                YOU ARE DISCUSSING HERE

                Once again, what did you personally do on the front of the struggle with the enemies of Russia ?!
                Yesterday I expressed my suggestions of support, I didn’t wait, I wrote appeals only on my behalf, can you do at least the same?
              3. kare
                kare 4 May 2014 14: 33
                +4
                KILL PEOPLE, AND YOU THINK HERE, who to give, to whom not to give, to give everyone weapons, who with a St. George’s ribbon, and even better WITH RED AND FASCISM WILL NOT PASS ...

                You get excited HORDE
                We ourselves are on the platoon
                GDP now has a difficult task
                Make it your own way, and do not pass for the occupant, and you can’t get the curse from the union of soldiers’s mothers
                We all understand you perfectly
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 14: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: kare
                  We all understand you perfectly

                  don’t speak for everyone, people are rude and sputtering in nete and MORE
              4. Lukich
                Lukich 4 May 2014 15: 05
                +5
                Quote: Horde
                KILL PEOPLE there,

                who is killing? YOUR CHILDREN. and GDP is not a kindergarten teacher. watch videos, pi $ dyki for 14-17 years old.
              5. Mexican
                Mexican 4 May 2014 18: 07
                +1
                Horde, you are a troll!
              6. Mexican
                Mexican 4 May 2014 18: 07
                0
                Horde, you are a troll!
          2. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 4 May 2014 11: 58
            +4
            Quote: Horde
            and your Putin is silent the third day


            Silence is gold. Yes, you revived fascism with your silence
            1. Umnichka
              Umnichka 4 May 2014 12: 38
              +2
              He, too, was silent for several days in front of the Crimea, and did not appear at all ...
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          3. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 15: 03
            +6
            Quote: Horde
            and your Putin is silent the third day, like a fish on ice ...

            and why should our Putin tongue thresh? it is an abamka like a broomstick sweeping sanctions. things are not done in language
          4. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 4 May 2014 15: 49
            0
            Then do not be silent, but get down to business ...
      4. Thompson
        Thompson 4 May 2014 11: 44
        +12
        How many armed militants were there? And what are they armed with?
        And how many population of Odessa, adult, combat-ready?
        And how many weapons are in the arsenals of Odessa?
        Or as one wrote here - to him tomorrow to work, to feed his family?
        The junta will feed you tomorrow if you continue to do nothing!
      5. yushch
        yushch 4 May 2014 13: 13
        +4
        I agree with you, a lot would come out. Always and everywhere, the main problem is to notify, assemble and forward. A good example is the Shooter in Slovyansk, organized the people and the result in person. I think if in Odessa there will be a Strelok, then they will quickly bend the cancer.
      6. Xergey
        Xergey 4 May 2014 13: 25
        +1
        they told you not to cheat, if such a smart ride, not write scribbles.
      7. ODIN ASS
        ODIN ASS 4 May 2014 14: 22
        -4
        og ... the truth is, what would he do? He would declare war on NATO, on the territory of Ukraine, would fight ... for a week ..... mosh then you would understand that we have no army !!!!!
      8. kreck
        kreck 4 May 2014 17: 31
        0
        you need to speak to those where they listen to you
      9. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 May 2014 00: 55
        +2
        Quote: Horde
        and would you yourself come out against ARMED WARRIORS? WITH WEAPON WITH GASOLINE BOTTLES, WITH

        And why under (in) Kramatorsk, Slavic unarmed people went against armored vehicles?
    2. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 4 May 2014 11: 42
      +5
      Quote: dfg
      Odessa did not find the people to repulse 3-5 thousand zapadentsev?


      Odessa Odessa ... lives at the expense of buy - sell. Few people will extend each for themselves and a helping hand.

      Quote: dfg
      and what is normal ??


      For inhabitants of Odessa - yes it is normal. They know how to play a prank on the benches well on the stage, but forgot how to fight, well, there isn’t the right number of defenders in Odessa. They will win only by mass, but it is not yet.
    3. Olga Kemerovo
      Olga Kemerovo 4 May 2014 12: 10
      +5
      So I also think so. Why inhabitants of Odessa allowed? City millionaire. Is there really no one to fight back? And Russia will come in and immediately become an aggressor. First of all, for Ukrainians. And I think the help is only secretly
    4. avia1991
      avia1991 4 May 2014 14: 17
      +1
      Quote: dfg
      in the millionth Odessa there was no people to repulse 3-5 thousand zapadentsev ?? and what is it normal ???

      It is good to reason while sitting at home. Tell me: Have you ever tried to organize a mass event? To create a popular movement, equip it with ideology, establish communication, alert, prompt delivery to the places of the actions ... Do you think at all when you write ?! No offense: the right sector has been prepared for such actions for years, they are well "fed", supplied, covered with security forces. This action was planned, prepared and carried out thanks to a clear organization, and to expect active opposition from the spontaneously arising popular movements G-L-U-P-O ..
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 14: 54
        +1
        Quote: avia1991
        Good reasoning while sitting at home. And tell me: Have you ever tried to organize an event?

        you contradict yourself it turns out that Crimea was brought not on such a platter
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 May 2014 02: 23
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          you contradict yourself it turns out that Crimea was brought not on such a platter

          There is no contradiction. Crimea has always been oriented towards Russia, had its own government, which was in opposition to Kiev, an IMPROVED executive system, which worked at the right time .. Crimeans self-organized FOR LONG TIME! Therefore, they did not take much time to realize their plan.
          PS And you entertain your hurt feelings?
      2. pinachet
        pinachet 4 May 2014 19: 10
        +1
        or maybe they want from us that we intervene, provoke .., give Crimea as a seed .. !!! ??
        we’ll climb right now, but for us NATO from all sides! all world media are working west, they will say that we must finally deal with us as barbarians !!! and climb ... in the east of the Japs, in the west from the Baltic states, etc.
      3. AndreyS
        AndreyS 5 May 2014 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: avia1991
        Good reasoning while sitting at home.

        Yes, if forty people had burned at my place, visitors from other places I would already go and sausage every meeting lawyer, especially since they are not hiding! And all the more, all the inhabitants of Odessa know where this pack is living (and the place of their lives would already be flaming with might and main. And in the place of local police officers, the head who would give the go-ahead to leave and leave unarmed citizens to be torn to pieces, I would personally shoot in the head (and believe me deeply It wouldn’t care about the consequences of this step), and not only him. So even the policemen are saponious! What to hold on to? A place ?! They kept in Lviv, they cut their heads there, they think that they will not be touched? !!! Well, well ..... Blessed is he who believes, and to my character, if they had burned me in this house, I would not have gone to the grave, I would have grabbed a couple of these creatures by jumping out of the window onto their heads!
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 4 May 2014 10: 07
    +2
    Petition for the introduction of Russian peacekeeping troops in Ukraine
    http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v
    oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? cNfwzgb
    1. Horde
      Horde 4 May 2014 10: 19
      0
      Quote: nikolaev
      Petition for the introduction of Russian peacekeeping troops in Ukraine


      the link says that there is no such petition ...
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 13
        +6
        Quote: Horde
        the link says that there is no such petition ...
        was still yesterday belay I wrote
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 4 May 2014 11: 58
          +1
          Link works.
          There is this petition.
          Signed and distributed.
        2. Horde
          Horde 4 May 2014 12: 10
          -4
          Quote: Lukich
          Yesterday I was still writing


          Sorry, but the petition you are looking for has been closed or does not exist.


          Are you driving a fool? Can’t you visit the site and see? Lukich laughing
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 15: 09
            +5
            Quote: Horde
            Quote: Lukich
            Yesterday I was still writing


            Sorry, but the petition you are looking for has been closed or does not exist.


            Are you driving a fool? Can’t you visit the site and see? Lukich laughing

            I already said that I was yesterday and I voted. I have nothing more to do there
        3. Sunflower
          Sunflower 4 May 2014 12: 33
          0
          http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v
          oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? cjSdphb
      2. Sunflower
        Sunflower 4 May 2014 12: 31
        0
        https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorchesk
        ie_voyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? solBEeb
  • Yura
    Yura 4 May 2014 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: Humpty
    Banderlog will have to die.

    This is necessary and inevitable.
  • mihasik
    mihasik 4 May 2014 13: 21
    +5
    How many more Russians must be killed by the Bandera reptiles to be crushed by a steam rink.
    Banderlog will have to die.

    And how are you going to separate someone under the skating rink, and who will go to the skating rink !? Today these bastards are throwing Molotov cocktails, and tomorrow they will put on St. George's ribbons so that they can save them if our people enter. After all, they all speak Russian well (in contrast to the semi-literate villagers from Western Ukraine), registration is mostly local or on a visit. SO HOW TO SEPARATE !? And if ours enter and there are corpses (and they will be), then we will be murderers and bloodsuckers for 90% of Ukrainians. Why? Because the real resistance to the Nazis is only fifteen or twenty thousand, and this is less than 1 !!!! percent (more precisely 0,05%) of the inhabitants of Ukraine. The numbers are not scary ?! The rest, like us, fight on websites or sympathize, or just sit out in huts ...
  • Ross
    Ross 4 May 2014 17: 46
    0
    It seems that a real change in consciousness occurred in the Southeast. As when in 1941, after seeing the atrocities of the Nazis, the people began the Patriotic War. Now the grandchildren must complete what the grandfathers did not finish.
  • Vikmay16
    Vikmay16 4 May 2014 20: 20
    0
    Banderlog West protects, tries its best, such a Western democracy!
  • taseka
    taseka 4 May 2014 21: 12
    0
    History repeats itself! Crimea hold on !!
  • TR-25
    TR-25 4 May 2014 21: 41
    +1
    Tymoshenko at a meeting in Odessa, called for a provocation on 9 May
    http://maxpark.com/community/5512/content/2713799
  • wax
    wax 4 May 2014 22: 41
    0
    For NATO, Serbs are enemies, as are we. Therefore, NATO needed a pretext, it could even be invented or organized. Russia was in the fall. For us, Ukrainians are not enemies, and we cannot act as in a war with the enemy until the Ukrainian army clearly opposes the people. She is being driven, but she is sabotaging orders in every way. Our army is on guard of this state, and for this it is enough to be on the border without crossing it. The right sector is not the army, these are bandits, albeit covered by the junta. But the people of Ukraine can cope with the bandits, especially in the Southeast, if 5-10 people rise even not sufficiently armed. If we do not have impeccable grounds for sending troops to Ukraine, then, consider that we will finally turn it into our ardent enemy, especially if we iron the military. It’s not enough to wait. If there are no legitimate elections on May 25, the junta itself will deflate. It is precisely this development of events that the West is most afraid of. But, of course, the insane junta is capable of unexpected
  • wax
    wax 4 May 2014 22: 41
    +1
    For NATO, Serbs are enemies, as are we. Therefore, NATO needed a pretext, it could even be invented or organized. Russia was in the fall. For us, Ukrainians are not enemies, and we cannot act as in a war with the enemy until the Ukrainian army clearly opposes the people. She is being driven, but she is sabotaging orders in every way. Our army is on guard of this state, and for this it is enough to be on the border without crossing it. The right sector is not the army, these are bandits, albeit covered by the junta. But the people of Ukraine can cope with the bandits, especially in the Southeast, if 5-10 people rise even not sufficiently armed. If we do not have impeccable grounds for sending troops to Ukraine, then, consider that we will finally turn it into our ardent enemy, especially if we iron the military. It’s not enough to wait. If there are no legitimate elections on May 25, the junta itself will deflate. It is precisely this development of events that the West is most afraid of. But, of course, the insane junta is capable of unexpected
  • wax
    wax 4 May 2014 22: 41
    -1
    For NATO, Serbs are enemies, as are we. Therefore, NATO needed a pretext, it could even be invented or organized. Russia was in the fall. For us, Ukrainians are not enemies, and we cannot act as in a war with the enemy until the Ukrainian army clearly opposes the people. She is being driven, but she is sabotaging orders in every way. Our army is on guard of this state, and for this it is enough to be on the border without crossing it. The right sector is not the army, these are bandits, albeit covered by the junta. But the people of Ukraine can cope with the bandits, especially in the Southeast, if 5-10 people rise even not sufficiently armed. If we do not have impeccable grounds for sending troops to Ukraine, then, consider that we will finally turn it into our ardent enemy, especially if we iron the military. It’s not enough to wait. If there are no legitimate elections on May 25, the junta itself will deflate. It is precisely this development of events that the West is most afraid of. But, of course, the insane junta is capable of unexpected
  • wax
    wax 4 May 2014 22: 42
    -1
    For NATO, Serbs are enemies, as are we. Therefore, NATO needed a pretext, it could even be invented or organized. Russia was in the fall. For us, Ukrainians are not enemies, and we cannot act as in a war with the enemy until the Ukrainian army clearly opposes the people. She is being driven, but she is sabotaging orders in every way. Our army is on guard of this state, and for this it is enough to be on the border without crossing it. The right sector is not the army, these are bandits, albeit covered by the junta. But the people of Ukraine can cope with the bandits, especially in the Southeast, if 5-10 people rise even not sufficiently armed. If we do not have impeccable grounds for sending troops to Ukraine, then, consider that we will finally turn it into our ardent enemy, especially if we iron the military. It’s not enough to wait. If there are no legitimate elections on May 25, the junta itself will deflate. It is precisely this development of events that the West is most afraid of. But, of course, the insane junta is capable of unexpected
  • Sandov
    Sandov 5 May 2014 16: 00
    0
    Quote: Humpty
    NATO bombed Serbia after showing two dozen and hastily dressed Albanian sadists.
    How many more Russians must be killed by the Bandera reptiles to be crushed by a steam rink.
    Banderlog will have to die.

    And their minions from P I N D O S T A N A.
  • White5
    White5 5 May 2014 18: 25
    0
    NATO - lawlessness, We are in a legitimate field. We don’t want to cross the line, as if we were not scolded while everything is unfounded.
  • firefox090
    firefox090 5 May 2014 20: 52
    0
    This is a real horror ....
    http://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/690116.html
  • Santehnik1997
    Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 11: 14
    0
    There are no Bandera, there are people of Ukraine!
    "People of the South-East" are militants from Chechnya and employees of the Russian GRU + "Berkut", which killed people on the Maidan. Wake up, Russians, there was no armed coup in Ukraine, there was a sniper shooting of participants in a protest action against the violation of the rights and freedoms of the entire population of all Ukraine.
    Depressive Lugansk and Donetsk were robbed by Yanukovych and his team back in the 90s, and then they wanted to enslave the whole of Ukraine with the flow of the government of the Russian Federation. What is happening there today is attempts to destabilize the situation in the country, disrupt the elections and retain the power of local oligarchs.
    The shooting of people on the Maidan, the escape of Yanukovych and all current events is the Kremlin’s scenario for the revival of the USSR. But Ukraine does not want this, we have been independent for 23 years, a generational change has taken place and the ideals of the USSR are alien to us.
  • BLACK-SHARK-64
    BLACK-SHARK-64 6 May 2014 11: 51
    0
    in large batches ...
  • Santehnik1997
    Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 12: 17
    0
    He was personally in Odessa on April 30 - May 4, lived in an apartment 300 meters from the epicenter of events.
    All that happened is the FSB’s plan to foment a civil war in Ukraine, the majority of whose residents strive for European values ​​and living standards.
    The Ukrainian fans attacked the peaceful move of the paid provocateurs armed with a firearm with the full support of the police who had rotted under Yanukovych. 5 people were shot dead with complete inaction of the police and, moreover, with assistance (cover), which caused indignation of the guests and residents of Odessa and led to a trip to the tent city on Kulikovo field, as there was no point in expecting order from the guards, and the result could be the killing of more people.
    The bulk of the "Kulikovtsy" were in the trade union building, where firearms, Molotov cocktails and a certain substance were previously brought in, 80% of the lives of the victims on May 2.
    I don't think it's worth proving that only representatives of the "Kulikovites" could have brought all this there in advance.
    There is an online broadcast of the Odessa television company, where it is clear that the opponents of the “Kulikovites” entering the trade union building had only helmets, shields and bats in their arsenal.
    A fire with the release of a poisonous substance occurred on the 3-5 floors after arson by fighters of the "Kulikovites", which can also be seen in the video. It is also known that 50 of the most active "Kulikovites" were on the roof, obviously knowing about the secret poisonous substance.
    Russians, open your eyes, you live in the information matrix created by the Russian media according to the scenarios of the Kremlin. In Ukraine, the majority does not want the USSR to return and go under the boot to Putin, do not meddle in our house, we ourselves can put things in order here without your intervention, focus on the problems inside your country. Good luck
  • svp67
    svp67 4 May 2014 07: 17
    +16
    A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...
    1. mad
      mad 4 May 2014 07: 34
      +9
      I agree, and the present director Parubiy as if hints to whom to give an Oscar for the main role.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 4 May 2014 09: 18
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...

      Wow provocation! 46 people alive to burn fool THIS IS A GENOCIDE AND CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY! It’s surprising that Putin’s composure - to endure this without emotion, like, let the world community be convinced of the specifically burned out 46 Russian people with whom he is dealing with the junta — honestly, it’s hard for me to understand such composure. Even if it is dictated by the most pragmatic goals and probably leads to a win, it’s very difficult for me to understand such endurance.
      Why didn't Putin bring in troops? What for? In Donbass and Lugansk, the situation is stable. The population of these regions after yesterday is angry against the junta beyond all measure, which should affect the results of the "referendum" on May 11. For the troops of the junta, Slavyansk remained a tough nut to crack. - So what? It is interesting to observe Syria for three years, with a bunch of civilian casualties and a bunch of refugees, the complete destruction of the remaining industry, and besides, this time right near Moscow? Is this pragmatism? Something strange form of pragmatism. I don’t know, my IMHO - there is a choice between the lives of their Russian people and "how to look better in the eyes of a Western man in the street." And somehow I would deeply spit what a Western burgher would think of me, he is hardly worthy even that I would think anything at all to him, let alone take into account them somehow. interests. “I don’t care what you think of me, I don’t think about you at all” - this is the formula for attitudes towards the West, and there can be no other in principle. And Putin thinks, cares about his image in their eyes. probably plans, where to live out old age more calmly, read lectures on political science for a normal loot ... And the fact that it is the western fosterlings that are burned alive there - oh well, we will survive am
      Well, these are sad thoughts. Although it is realistic for the Russian group, which is concentrated near Ukraine, to carry out a special operation to defeat the "National Guard" and hang war criminals on the Maidan, with good planning, it is a matter of one or two weeks.
      1. Argyn-suindyk
        Argyn-suindyk 4 May 2014 10: 12
        +4
        I don’t understand GDP either, Israel has been occupying the Palestinian territories for half a century with full condemnation of the world and everything is getting away with it. It's not just that something is about to happen.
        1. nicollider
          nicollider 4 May 2014 10: 46
          +8
          You can’t just take and occupy. there is no 100% support there as in the Crimea. no. and 38 Odessa martyrs are the very thing that will turn the population towards Russia. Well occupied, do you need partisan actions? Svidomo attacks and other joys?

          now it will be the other way around - the article correctly noted: "The militants in Odessa themselves started the 'process', which could not have begun without outside help. And in the whole South-East, it seems, everything is just beginning."

          and now there will be (support).
          1. Aventurinka
            Aventurinka 4 May 2014 11: 35
            +2
            Quote: nicollider
            and 38 Odessa martyrs are the very thing that will turn the population towards Russia.

            Will not turn. Already, so many Odessa citizens believe that the pro-Russian attacked the ultras themselves, and then set themselves on fire when they threw the bottles from above.
            1. Grbear
              Grbear 4 May 2014 13: 26
              +2
              Aventurinka
              This is yours
              Now sooo many residents of Odessa believe that the pro-Russian attacked the ultras themselves, and then set themselves on fire,

              and there is a reason that you will still "burn" and look for "Russian" roots. It is "cured", but sooo painful.
              1. Aventurinka
                Aventurinka 4 May 2014 14: 34
                0
                Quote: GrBear
                skat "Russian" roots.

                I don’t need to look for them, I have no other roots. And outside of Russia, except for Ukraine (Crimea) was not anywhere. Only I try to find the truth as close to the truth. And I read information and opinions from all sides of the polygon of truth. And our Maydanovites, and their Maydanites, and their pro-Russian, and our rightists, and the versions from ORT and RTR ... and much more.
                So, perceiving your comment as addressed to the Odessa-Ukrainians, I fully support it.
        2. Suvorov
          Suvorov 4 May 2014 11: 41
          +6
          Quote: Argyn-Suindyk
          For half a century, Israel has been occupying the Palestinian territories with full condemnation of the world, and everything is getting away with it.


          Israel is doing this with the full support of the United States and does not care about the rest of the world community. For us, other "standards" exist. The UN and all "progressive humanity" will immediately condemn it. This is what surprises me: when the USSR was, almost all the Western "left" and "green" supported our position on the world stage. But when the USSR disappeared, these "shape-shifters" immediately began to "blow in one tune." The world has really become "unipolar". The Americans "outbid" their roofing felts, or they themselves understood that it was necessary to "rebuild" out of harm's way. And most likely both.
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        4. Thompson
          Thompson 4 May 2014 12: 49
          +2
          Israel will be forgiven for much more, because they are ON THE SIDE OF THE USA !!!!!!!!!
          This is the essence! Look, the United States has recently intervened in the domestic affairs of only those states that were, in one way or another, supporters of the USSR or Russia.
          Afgan does not count, there they have personal accounts!
        5. Xergey
          Xergey 4 May 2014 13: 32
          0
          in Israel there is no reason to bomb and punish, but in Russia everything would create a precedent.
      2. maxcor1974
        maxcor1974 4 May 2014 11: 07
        +16

        aksakal (3) KZ  Today, 09: 18 ↑

        Wow provocation! 46 people alive burn fool THIS IS A GENOCIDE AND CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY! It’s surprising that Putin’s composure - to endure such things without emotion, like, let the world community be convinced of the specifically Russian people who were burnt alive by 46 who are dealing with the junta — honestly, it’s hard for me to understand such composure. Even if it is dictated by the most pragmatic goals and probably leads to a win, it’s very difficult for me to understand such endurance.

        Dear Aksakal, these are all emotions. On the first day after the tragedy in Odessa, I was also “tore and thrashed” and scolded Putin for the lack of reaction. But after a short time, it becomes clear that we do not have even 50% of the population's support for the introduction of troops into Ukraine. The people fooled by the local media will take us for the invaders (I do not mean Donetsk and Lugansk, the people there are already "ripe" for secession). You cannot help those who do not want help, and by the behavior of the population in Odessa, for example, you cannot say that they need it (even after the tragedy on May 2, only a few hundred people went to the picket at the building of the local Ministry of Internal Affairs, not tens of thousands). And to write off the passivity of the population for fear for their lives, according to the Horde, will not work.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 4 May 2014 14: 43
          +1
          Quote: maxcor1974
          Dear Aksakal, these are all emotions. On the first day after the tragedy in Odessa, I was also “tore and thrashed” and scolded Putin for the lack of reaction. But after a short time, it becomes clear that for the introduction of troops into Ukraine, we do not even have 50% of the population's support.

          - Thank you, I myself understand that all these are emotions, and I myself admitted that it is difficult for me to understand, and at the same time I understand that endurance and steel nerves lead to a gain. Well, it’s just hard for me personally to understand. This explains why I knock on the clave, and Putin makes decisions laughing It would be different - it would be the other way around. I can’t even bluff poker, and without money, and when money is at stake, then even more so that I could stand the obvious injustice, at least for a while, that would turn public opinion to my advantage - this is generally not about me laughing
      3. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 16
        +5
        Quote: aksakal
        46 Russian people burnt alive

        in the article, and nowhere is it written that they were Russian people.
        1. DON-100
          DON-100 4 May 2014 12: 57
          +3
          Yesterday, a list of the first 12 identified victims in Odessa was published, all the names are Russian, all of them are residents of Odessa. On videos made at the house of trade unions, they also speak not Ukrainian, but Russian. The terrible reality is that Russian and Russian-speaking youth shouting "glory to Ukraine" "Russians are burning" are killing and burning Russians. By the way, they write on Odessa forums that most of these geek-killers were also Odessa citizens, and not newcomers.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 4 May 2014 13: 13
          +7
          Quote: Lukich
          in the article, and nowhere is it written that they were Russian people.

          - blood composition is important to you? Maybe even a genetic analysis could be made, so that later I could decide how much to regret - with howls, for real or false? According to Sabzh - pro-Russian citizens and supporters of federalization - is this not enough to be called Russian? Ethnically, there are a lot of Jews in Odessa, so out of 46 dead there can be many Jews - and so what?
          For example, I do not treat Jews badly - I am disgusted with the bearers of the ideology of "God's chosenness"; in the USSR, the term "Zionism" was coined for this ideology. And not just to the carriers, but to those who specifically by their deeds confirm that he is a Zionist. For example, the same Kolomoisky. After all, it was his people who burned supporters of federalization in Odessa, among whom, as we assume, there may be many Jews? Conclusion - a Jew and a Zionist are different people. They even kill each other.
          Anyone who supports the creation of this alternative to the Anglo-Saxon world can be a Russian within the framework of the hypothetical "Russian world" that Putin announced the creation of. From this point of view, I ask you to consider me as Russian as well, although ethnically and spiritually, in essence I remain a Kazakh. Of course, it would be great if the creation of the "Kazakh world" was proclaimed by Nazarbayev, but this is not in this world smile
          1. ReifA
            ReifA 4 May 2014 14: 18
            0
            Crooked definition. Eretz Zion is a country of Israel. Tobish Zionist-the Jew who wants to live in Israel. The concept itself was perverted, giving it a negative connotation. If we give synonyms, then the Zionist is akin to a nationalist, remotely.
          2. ASSARU
            ASSARU 4 May 2014 19: 52
            0
            Dear. You already decide. Ask to consider you Russian, though spiritually and in essence, as you speak Kazakh. The Kazakhs are officially the titular nation. The Kazakh language is the state language. You’re just like God’s sinus. therefore, they will not pass the exam in the Kazakh language. Encourage Nazarbayev to proclaim the Kazakh world. It's like.
            How cleverly you managed to divide into Russian and non-Russian. Jews and Zionists. And everything is so simple. Schaub, I lived as you say. As they say in Odessa
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 5 May 2014 07: 24
              +1
              Quote: ASSARU
              How cleverly you managed to divide into Russian and non-Russian

              - not clever, but very simple. Who cares about the idea of ​​creating a "Russian world", even if not quite fluent in Russian, is Russian. But one cannot be called a Russian for sure who burned pro-Russian citizens in Odessa, while speaking in Russian, one cannot call even those ethnically pure Russians who post nasty things, being sophisticated in Russophobia, and also in Russian, Russian. Is this idea incomprehensible?
              Quote: ASSARU
              It’s not that those who came in large numbers and can’t find work, because they don’t know the Kazakh language. And their children won’t get a certificate from school, because they don’t pass the exam in the Kazakh language

              - you would come, and not to me, who lives in Kazakhstan, would retell the rumors about Kazakhstan. Is your name Borat? Since when did you move to the USA? In real life, when applying for a job, no one requires you to know the Kazakh language, and if somewhere in government agencies there are such requirements, then it is enough to say "salamatsyzba" in Kazakh (hello!), As they put a tick in the corresponding box.
              So actually you live in the USA and live, you have already made your choice, therefore, post not for the Russians, but for the Amers, your guardianship requires it. Remember the text of the oath of citizenship? So do it. I have a well-defined definition for people like you, but I will not give it, but you already guessed. So you know.
      4. svp67
        svp67 4 May 2014 12: 31
        +1
        Quote: aksakal
        Wow provocation!

        Dear, you first figure out what it was all about, and then express an opinion ...
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 4 May 2014 12: 59
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...

          - dear, you started a separate sub-branch here, as if not related to other sub-branches, take a closer look - a separate sub-branch begins with your post, and here it is your text. And now sit and search throughout this thread and link this statement of yours with the mass of the above statements - search for yourself, probably you yourself will not find it. Therefore, within the framework of this sub-branch, I read it as it is, but it is exactly like this: "
          Quote: svp67
          A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...
          "- correlated with SABJ (and nothing else) and we get: SABJ and your answer" this is a provocation! "Within the framework of this logic, my answer is that if this is a provocation, then something is not even a provocation either by the number of those killed, or by the cruelty of the deed. Although the handwriting of the Banderaites is not recognizable - since the Volyn massacre, it has not changed. I made a decision - wherever I mention the word "Bandera", I will immediately accompany this word in a MANDATORY manner with a photograph of that hanged man baby, that at least already on this forum a specific and hard-to-break stereotype and a specific association “Bandera - a hanged baby.” I apologize in advance to those who will be unpleasant, but SO NECESSARY. At the information war, we shoot without pity. let Bandera's people still rejoice that I am not fighting for real.That is why I am almost sure that it WILL HAVE to fight, since the war is inevitable, Kazakhstan will hardly be able to sit on the sidelines, since the war will again be in the Eurasian space, and therefore don't have to fight. And I immediately say - I will not be afraid to become like the Banderaites. Moreover, I'm going to surpass them. Let me become the same as them, do not care. Let them eat what they generate at this time.
          1. svp67
            svp67 4 May 2014 17: 18
            0
            Quote: aksakal
            Within the framework of this logic and my answer

            Yes, I see amateurs in all nations to "rush with a saber to the attack" without thinking, enough. So here is my statement ...
            Quote: aksakal
            Quote: svp67
            A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...

            To relate to this, draw conclusions:
            The procession of "ultras" and militants through the streets of Odessa was relatively calm. But in the area of ​​st. The Greek men attacked them with bats, in combat gear, with St. George's ribbons and RED BANDAGES on their hands. Here the first oddity and "inconsistency" with the official version of the junta happened. Exactly the same red armbands were on the hands of SOME Interior Ministry officers. The most interesting thing is that it was in this place where these officers were located that the "breakthrough" of the "separatists" took place to the participants of the march. Also, absolutely "accidentally" this very moment was filmed from an elevated point, in relation to what is happening (as a former cameraman will say, this means that the filmmaker knew the script and had chosen a position for shooting in advance). This was followed by a short skirmish resulting in the first casualties. Moreover, unidentified "arrows" were shooting from the rooftops and from the crowd (according to the junta's version, it is clear that they are pro-Russian). Then a quick, on command, retreat of the "bandaged militants". After that, people with bandages disappear from the stage (probably they just took off the bandages and ribbons) and mixed with the crowd. Instead of pursuing obvious provocateurs, the "maddened" crowd rushed to Kulikovo Pole to the camp of the "federates"
      5. Grbear
        Grbear 4 May 2014 13: 20
        +2
        aksakalWith all due respect to the "regalia" and the self-proclaimed nickname, I see all the signs of emotion against the background of a reluctance to just think.
        And somehow, I would deeply spit what the Western burgher would think about me, he is hardly worthy even of that ...

        Spitting out is simple, simple - just a moment, and then put up for ten years?
        And Putin thinks, takes care of his image in their eyes. probably plans where to live old age ...

        Putin has already done such a thing that in the west they hate him so much, they are ready to stand in line to "knock out a stool", at least in the first hundred.
        It’s surprising that Putin’s composure - to endure this without emotion, like, let the world community be convinced of the specifically burned out 46 Russian people with whom he is dealing with the junta — honestly, it’s hard for me to understand such composure.

        I agree - genocide. Some Ukrainians, in relation to others. Where is Russia here? Yes, we condole, we are indignant, but this is not an argument for the use of force (like the Americans?). Fascists are the result of common work or connivance. Again we?

        Everyone chooses by themselves
        Woman, religion, freedom.
        ©
        и
        You have to pay for everything.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 4 May 2014 14: 07
          +2
          Quote: GrBear
          Putin has already done such a thing that in the west they hate him so much, they are ready to stand in line to "knock out a stool", at least in the first hundred.

          - I agree, you have less regalia, therefore I will not repeat "with all due respect". And so, without "with all due respect" - what exactly did Putin do? Recently? Prevented an attack on Syria? This is bad? Annexed Crimea? Is it he? Didn't the Crimeans themselves expressed a desire? But I believe that the Crimeans themselves decided to join Russia, there were no referendums at gunpoint there. So what exactly did Putin do there? So far I can see that the West has heaped up there, more specifically the United States. Both in Syria and in Ukraine. So, your clients will have to knock out the stool.
          And thirdly - why put up with the West for ten years?
          Quote: GrBear
          and then put up for ten years?

          I see no reason to put up with the West, especially ten years:
          - economic. The West, in spite of just now impressive economic indicators, is in dynamics, in orientation, and, therefore, in the very near future is moving to the side of the world's economy. Why then seek reconciliation with them from an economic point of view. Fencing off with a concrete fence - you can restore the one in Berlin, and let yourself decay safely, they are not needed from an economic point of view - well, or they will not be needed already in the foreseeable future. Look at Asia - future monsters there. And Russia itself is in the union of the former Soviet countries.
          - scientific. And again - the same thing as with the economic point of view.
          - cultural and culturological - and here it’s generally seams. Such rot is already coming from there, no words. Even a movie can’t be shot without pornographic scenes already - take a look at the nymphomaniac about the latest works of the seemingly talented director Lars von Trier. This is an indicator. I'm not even talking about gay propaganda.
          - civilizational - the significance of the West still remains, what the West has done for civilization - will remain, thank you, praise them for their honor, THEY MAY be free.
          The turn is for other countries.
          So answer - why put up with the West from a pragmatic point of view? Let the West itself and seek reconciliation, it needs it more. And if you do not like "Asiatic" and "European" is dearer to your soul, even Ascetic admitted in this sympathy that, they say, "I see everything and understand that Asians did not kill Russians with a conveyor belt, as the Germans did in the last World War II, but the Germans somehow closer to me, I can not do anything! ". MAY NOT GO ANYWHERE! If you try, it means, once again step on that rake, you will once again stumble upon the cold Western genocide and then you will definitely be able to ... He has outlived his own, the West - big Detroit in the near future.
      6. Xergey
        Xergey 4 May 2014 13: 30
        +2
        he had previously thought about the citizens living in Russia, so far all the gallant things have not seriously affected the sanctions, and when the salaries in Russia stop paying, everything will start talking differently and Putin will be blamed for everything.
    3. zzz
      zzz 4 May 2014 22: 45
      0
      only that I found a screenshot in the internet
  • queen
    queen 4 May 2014 07: 20
    +8
    They are worse than the savages and the Nazis themselves during the war, no words, or these homosexuals are not aware that their end is approaching. Come to their homes and burn to the ground. But leaving nothing. In general, nothing.
  • Saburov
    Saburov 4 May 2014 07: 20
    +58
    Why not entered? Because a hot head, worse than atomic warfare, can be trapped and the brothers not saved and their people destroyed. The United States is only waiting for this, as their hands will immediately be untied for sanctions and for convincing the whole world to exert pressure on us. Don't be in a hurry, these high-grade bpts will get their plan, like the American pigs, to create a reinforced concrete grave for them, already at the final stage.
    1. MEDVED
      MEDVED 4 May 2014 07: 41
      +32
      I completely agree. a handful of unarmed residents of Odessa resisted 1,5 thousand imprisoned kam, where were the rest of Odessa ??? Bad at heart .... Putin is a worthy leader, is in the most difficult situation - requiring a competent and correct solution ....
      1. papas-57
        papas-57 4 May 2014 09: 52
        +10
        '' a handful of unarmed residents of Odessa opposed 1,5 imprisoned kams, where were the rest of Odessa residents ??? It's bad at heart. '' And most of the residents sit at home and wait for their `` older brother '', who must do everything for them. They themselves do not want to do anything, and they are scared and lazy. Apparently they are satisfied with this situation.
        1. Sinara70
          Sinara70 4 May 2014 11: 53
          +2
          Apparently fear, the whole head .. !!!!
          Just afraid to raise your head ...
          And this is in Odessa-Hero City !!!!!!!!
          1. MEDVED
            MEDVED 4 May 2014 12: 15
            +3
            I always ask myself this question: what would you do, whether in your country, in your city, such a terrible and cruel story ?????? units, dozens come out to clearly state their civic position, a certain number actively support them. The rest sit at home and think that they will manage without me. A significant part of citizens are generally wary of active citizens (whom dill was burned in the house of trade unions). This is the tragedy of Odessa. Maybe now they begin to realize that either under the baseboard, or they will also be burned, killed, humiliated, taken away.
        2. ran nearby
          ran nearby 4 May 2014 14: 27
          +1
          Yes, we do not have commanders - Leaders. No. And what can be done by three-five against even 20 ??? The number of victims to increase by itself?
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    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 4 May 2014 08: 03
      +11
      Why not entered?

      That's right! I’ll add a couple more phrases - in Russia, and many in Ukraine realized ... what kind of creatures are in power in Kiev. It is also necessary that in Europe, at least, people began to look at the actions of the punitive in Kiev differently. The eyes of European public opinion have already begun to open, not only among the people, but ... most importantly ... among the authorities and the media.
      And this will be a completely different background for the beginning of forcing punitive to get away on their Maidan ....
      1. Saburov
        Saburov 4 May 2014 08: 30
        +8
        They should not get out onto the Maidan, but wrap themselves in a sheet and crawl into the cemetery if people don’t finish on the way.
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 4 May 2014 08: 40
        +5
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        It is also necessary that in Europe, at least, people began to look at the actions of the punitive in Kiev differently.
        --- hoping for it --- it's absolutely stupid .... because this will never happen, because the "western world" - feeds on the death and blood of the Slavs ....... and those who died in Odessa for Europe- - less than statistics .............
      3. polly
        polly 4 May 2014 09: 26
        +7
        Places are already being prepared for them where they will clean ...
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 4 May 2014 12: 50
          +2
          Quote: polly
          Places are already being prepared for them where they will clean ...

          They built "NONZALEZHNA", but it turned out ...
      4. sem-yak
        sem-yak 4 May 2014 09: 58
        +3
        And this will be a completely different background for the beginning of forcing punitive to get away on their Maidan ....

        Not on the Maidan. Get home in HELL!
      5. aksakal
        aksakal 4 May 2014 10: 27
        +6
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        And this will be a completely different background for the beginning of forcing punitive to get away on their Maidan ....

        - Well, of course, Putin ideally would like to receive a UN mandate to send peacekeeping forces to Ukraine and, based on this mandate, achieve his goals. But before receiving a mandate, the West can descend only after thousands of thousands burned alive - in Syria there are even more, in Africa it counts in millions - and nothing, the West is completely up to the question. What makes you think that pro-Russian Ukrainians for the West are somehow different about Syrians or Africans? He will scream and be indignant, but express regrets, but he will not give a mandate - who will argue?
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    4. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 4 May 2014 08: 46
      +11
      I received on the basis
      New task
      On board my TNT
      Yankees in punishment.
      Here are my engines roaring
      I dropped a rocket
      Been there before Hollywood
      And now I don’t have ....
    5. slonnonen
      slonnonen 4 May 2014 09: 27
      +2
      I completely agree with you.
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 4 May 2014 07: 22
    +10
    Ashes of Kaas pounded in hearts! We will not forget, we will not forgive!
  • Name
    Name 4 May 2014 07: 23
    +7
    Oops, now only BLOOD will be an indicator .... only blood.
  • Children BuryKonya
    Children BuryKonya 4 May 2014 07: 24
    +11
    The methods are the same: snipers, dressing up, heating the crowd, only the punishers are out of control.
  • Hamul
    Hamul 4 May 2014 07: 25
    +33
    Guys.

    Admittedly, a very large part of Ukraine is the FASCIS!
    All who participated in this inhuman act must be wheeled / quartered, etc. - so that the bitch tormented - like those innocent people. Live.
    All who supported remotely burning people should be at least driven through the fire in a burning house. All politicians - who supported the mass death - should be publicly quartered. If they are not quartered, these bastards will flee to Geyropa or the USA and will spoil there. As was the case with the Nazis after the Second World War and World War II.

    This cannot be forgiven in any way. fascism must be destroyed!
    1. Skipper2050
      Skipper2050 4 May 2014 07: 38
      +6
      Yes, over the past 20 years, Ukraine has greatly changed.
      1. 1Andrei
        1Andrei 4 May 2014 11: 06
        +6
        Quote: Skipper2050
        Yes, over the past 20 years, Ukraine has greatly changed.

        Who had to change, he did it back in the 90s. I have relatives in Kiev, so they came to us, sitting at my table, admired how wonderful everything happened (the collapse of the USSR), and now they got rid of this bondage, how constantly feed the Russians. And the fact that Ukraine has become independent is generally good for Europe, and of course they are the very center of Europe. Here are the thoughts with which they have spent the last twenty years in their heads. Well, and what mass demonstrations against the fascists we we’re waiting, it’s all the more pleasant to see the few, well, heroes of their country of Ukraine who are now fighting the Western world. They, as an outpost of Russia, are gathering the Slavic World to strangle this HYDRA in their nest. "Take your time slowly".
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 4 May 2014 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: Skipper2050
        Yes, over the past 20 years, Ukraine has greatly changed.


        Not only Ukraine itself has changed. The mentality of the PEOPLE has changed. Young people are zombified to the ground. There is contention in families. They want to go west. Have you watched Odessa? - Young girls are preparing bottles - for a bandy. And these are the realities of life.
        Help should be provided to the people, namely the people. In the meantime, the indignant people are not visible. There is a part of the people. They are sorry. But the rest are still sleeping. Wait for their ... Unfortunately, many of the patriots will die ...
    2. Saratovets
      Saratovets 4 May 2014 07: 39
      +5
      If the majority of ukrov are Fascists, then all the more it is necessary to strangle this hydra in the bud, and not wait until the assailants create a shock fist
    3. aleks700
      aleks700 4 May 2014 08: 13
      +3
      Not. We cannot become like the fascists. Just a headshot.
    4. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk 4 May 2014 10: 57
      +11
      A separate section for the study of fascism should be "Ukrainian fascism"! For their own identification as a nation, they chose the easiest way - to oppose themselves to the Russians! For example, it is pointless for us Asiatic Turks to confirm our ethnos, to develop national self-awareness and traditions of our ancestors, otherwise it makes no sense to strengthen our statehood! In other words, a Kazakh has no need to prove to a Russian that he is Kazakh! It is more difficult with the Belarusian Ukrainians because they are all Russians anyway! One can even assume that the Kiev Orthodox are more Russian than Saratov or Tver! Modern Ukrainians do not want to be part of the Russians, they want to be anyone as long as they are not Russians, they want to deal at least with the shaitan himself, just not with the Russians and the desire to raise "their own national identity, separate from the Russians," by way of opposing comparison and raising to the level of their own exclusivity over the Russians there is a special form of Nazism - Ukrainian fascism! And don't think that the Ukrainian fascists are demons with SS armbands on their sleeves! No, these are ordinary Ukrainians in stores, the same women, men, teenagers, teachers, doctors, etc. , they just do not have clearly expressed intentions at the level of pravosekov! But in any case, though it is latent, it is Ukrainian fascism! This is my personal point of view!
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 4 May 2014 13: 38
        +4
        Argyn-suindyk
        And do not think that the Ukrainian fascists are demons with SS bandages on their sleeves! No, these are ordinary Ukrainians in stores, the same women, men, adolescents, teachers, doctors, etc.

        This is the whole problem of the people, that abandoning their homeland, they began to invent their own history and lost support. Now they are leaves in the wind of History. Someone will tear, someone will hold on, but it will be another tree. If at all.
    5. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 21
      +8
      Quote: Hamul
      Live.

      they applauded live on a schuster when they said that they burned people alive in Odessa
      1. Hamul
        Hamul 4 May 2014 12: 55
        +4
        And this Shuster nits generally hang by the balls
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 13: 05
          +1
          Quote: Hamul
          for eggs

          I don’t think it will turn out they most likely do not
  • strannik595
    strannik595 4 May 2014 07: 25
    +17
    gentlemen, you are animals, mad animals .......... mad animals are shot, as is customary in people
  • Andrey160479
    Andrey160479 4 May 2014 07: 26
    +9
    I think the denouement is not far off. Let's look at the results of the referendum. And the junta really does not know what to do, so the blood will flow again. Maybe NATO will be attracted. But and then a complete well .... Smells like the 3rd World War.
  • mig31
    mig31 4 May 2014 07: 27
    +7
    I would like to know how much more you need to burn alive civilians, what would the State Department and the West be full of half !? LYU-DO-YES !!!
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  • wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 4 May 2014 07: 32
    +26
    and where was the rest of Odessa, when the aliens were killing? why did the millionth city pose only 500-700 banderlogs in a pose? there are questions - no answers.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 4 May 2014 08: 04
      +22
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      and where was the rest of Odessa, when the aliens were killing?


      Ukrainians blame Russia for everything, and this is clearly visible in the people of Odessa. They preferred to turn away from trouble, to sit out. "uncle" will come and can solve problems, maybe began to be guided -

      - my hut from the edge, I don’t know what.
    2. aleks700
      aleks700 4 May 2014 08: 15
      +4
      Banderlog was 5-7 thousand. But quickly gathering a similar crowd will not work. It is necessary to prepare in advance.
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 4 May 2014 09: 36
        +9
        I confirm that the factor of surprise played a key role. If there was information about the upcoming, it would be realistic to collect the necessary number of people for protection. The demonstration after which they took away Davidchenko showed it clearly, then there was no less than (the smallest) 20 thousand, enough to fight back.
        The fact that this was the plan of Iudobandera Nemirovsky to eliminate the Kulikov field is obvious. Otherwise, so quickly equipped creatures would not have appeared. Shields, helmets, fittings, gas cans, everything was available (what a peaceful demonstration in these situations). And just as quickly and disappeared. All signs of organization are on the face.
        Well, he was able to distinguish himself from the rest of the lousy creatures. Now it remains the first of them to die, which, after all that has happened, becomes much more likely. Hello to you rabbi, gorillas with machine guns are useless in such cases. The goal is not they, the goal is you.
      2. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 5 May 2014 10: 06
        0
        Quote: aleks700
        But quickly gathering a similar crowd does not work. It is necessary to prepare in advance.


        Well, yes ... it's like in Russia for the communal winter comes ... unexpectedly.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 4 May 2014 08: 34
      +15
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      why did the millionth city pose only 500-700 banderlogs in a pose? there are questions - no answers.

      I will try to answer. "City of Millions" - think that two-thirds are old people, women and children. Those who could organize resistance are minuscule. Further, on the holidays, people took the opportunity and left the city for the gardens. Further, all the events took place in the center, and those who live further away had no idea what was happening! It's the same as in Kiev - there is a battle in the center, (right bank), on the left bank - silence and NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. all events are only on TV and then. further, the newcomers were thoroughly armed and rode WITH A PURPOSE, and the "resistance" - it was spontaneous, and as you can see who was there who opposed them !!! Well, there used to be small fights between locals - anti-fascists and "pro-Europeans", but no one expected SUCH! AND SHOCK! I think that now, Odessa will wake up completely!
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 26
        +9
        Quote: Egoza
        I think that now, Odessa will fully wake up!

        Yesterday it was reported on TV that the right sector had ordered 15 cars to leave Odessa. that's 15 union houses. simultaneously and at once nonhumans in HELL
      2. maxcor1974
        maxcor1974 4 May 2014 11: 48
        +5
        Dear Elena. Unfortunately, today's news speaks differently, in Odessa a picket near the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of several hundred people, in Moscow, the Ukrainian Embassy came with flowers more ...
        How can you help people who in the majority do not want help? We are taller, just arguing on this subject with the Horde. Unfortunately, everything is sad in your south ...
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      4. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 May 2014 01: 50
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        I think that now, Odessa will fully wake up!

        Odessa will "wake up"? Or "fall into a coma"? The first "normal" reaction of a person whose relatives and friends have suffered is to grab something heavier and catch up, find, punish the scoundrels. Where is this reaction among Odessa citizens? Scoundrels are still quietly walking around Odessa, and you have not slept yet ? 2/3-unarmed old men, women? What prevents 200-300 thousand inhabitants of Odessa from going to Peaceful demonstrations, rallies and demanding the arrest of the murderers, the ban on the "Right Sector"? At least publicly just to express outrage, protest. Maybe there would not be so many "joyful" comments on social networks coming out?
    4. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 4 May 2014 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      there are questions - no answers.


      There are many questions. The people are still sleeping. My hut is on the edge ... Someone should bring everything to them on a silver platter.
      But it could be so!
  • Magadan
    Magadan 4 May 2014 07: 32
    +22
    We are not satisfied with the simple Ossetian script 2008. Ukraine should be cleaned of Nazi scum. From the junta, from the right-wingers, and from the frostbitten football fans. This is not even discussed. So even my overly liberal friends think so.
    The introduction of troops: do not forget about Assad. If Russia enters troops at the moment, in order to revenge for the inhabitants of Odessa, then the United States immediately send troops to Syria. There, CNN will quickly come up with an appropriate story.
    We remember that the SGA invested so much dough on the defense industry that the whole world did not invest together. And we stop hatred.
    I think that after all, the entry of our troops will be, but the blow will be calibrated, unexpected and generally not in the place where we think.
    For now, we need trained, past hotspots volunteers. And they need money. Alas - money is always needed. To do this, go to http://www.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/voina-na-yugo-vostoke-onlain-04-05-201
    4-.html
    There is a fundraiser for the militia of the South-East. Those who know how to fight have phones for them.
    The great dill ditch is unlikely to be able to stop the flow of our fighters.

    PS Chechens, who also have experience of hostilities, are already self-organizing along the way in order to cut the heads of the Nazis. Here is such a "paradox". Thanks to Ramzan!
    1. i80186
      i80186 4 May 2014 07: 39
      +3
      Can you give me a tank? I only know how to tank. smile
  • Backrfire
    Backrfire 4 May 2014 07: 33
    +4
    After the referendum on May 11, there will be a legal basis for the introduction of troops. Sorry for the people. Mourn
    1. serzh 58
      serzh 58 4 May 2014 10: 36
      +2
      In this situation, there will be no referendum, they will not allow it to be held.
  • saigon
    saigon 4 May 2014 07: 35
    +5
    The snouts of the wretched mind that they organized it are there on the same network and the address is interesting how many ki will now live?
  • papont1964
    papont1964 4 May 2014 07: 43
    +1
    Banderlogov need to be wet ...
  • Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 4 May 2014 07: 45
    +13
    There is such an old Russian Siberian hunting proverb A BEAR WHICH KNOWS ABOUT AN Ambush, WHEN NEVER GETS IN IT! wink
  • melnik
    melnik 4 May 2014 07: 47
    +9
    As I say, they did not keep the situation under control, there is no experience. People remember such things for centuries. There is no one to shut up the idiots who are popularly rejoicing, and they "burned Colorado". A very stupid nation. So substitute, it is incomprehensible to the mind ""
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 4 May 2014 07: 47
    +12
    Apparently, Moscow is waiting for something, I, as I don’t own all the information that is in the Kremlin, I can only assume that the cavalry with Chapaev, Putin will release now ... just wait for it now, wait ... help will come ... probably already comes from the same Crimea ... Brother Arman, will take the scalp from Balashov so that he does not flutter his broomstick from Kiev.

    At the moment, I see only a way out in taking warehouses with weapons, for sure they are in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Arm everyone who wants to stand under the gun. To shoot every bush.

    I also want to say that the silence of GDP plays only a negative for him. Unfortunately, we have such a character, said A, say B. And if the silence is long, the people will not understand ... IMHO
    1. Vita_vko
      Vita_vko 4 May 2014 08: 06
      +12
      Quote: Scandinavian
      that the silence of GDP plays only a negative for him.

      I agree. But if you remove the emotions, then the introduction of peacekeeping troops can only be after the consent of both parties and upon receipt of the UN mandate. Neither the first nor the second is real.
      The second option is the deployment of troops to support the actions of the Southeast Front for the Liberation of Lugansk, Donbass, Odessa. Here, too, not everything is clear. Most people have not organized yet, trying to sit out like miners. Speeches by activists and unarmed residents indicate that people are trying by peaceful means to stop the civil war. In addition, the Southeast has enormous resources and if the popular liberation front is formed to the end, then the Ukrainians themselves are able to restore order at home. Motivation for this pravoseki and the Kiev junta created more than enough.
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 4 May 2014 08: 15
        +12
        So far, it's very bad that the people are providing passive support. It is imperative to introduce a temporary body to combat saboteurs "SMERSH". Otherwise, the tactics of dressing up pravosekov in civilian life will simply destroy all the efforts of the militias. These pravoseki will shoot in their backs.
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 29
      +7
      Quote: Scandinavian
      people will not understand ...

      will understand when the GDP again wipes its nose abamke and geyrope. well, that this will happen no doubt
  • 29261
    29261 4 May 2014 07: 49
    +12
    I don’t remember which of the forecasters said that the black monkey will be the last president of the United States, so we will tolerate a little bit. And you can’t enter troops without a UN mandate! heart bleeds.
    1. saag
      saag 4 May 2014 08: 38
      +1
      Quote: 29261
      that the black monkey will be the last president of the United States

      they probably forgot to add or omit the phrase - "the last black president"
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 4 May 2014 09: 35
      +2
      Quote: 29261
      black monkey will
      Only in the USA there are so many blacks
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    4. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 31
      +5
      Quote: 29261
      I don’t remember which of the forecasters said

      it said Baba VANGA
  • duchy
    duchy 4 May 2014 07: 54
    +4
    My heart bleeds when you see this massacre. Weapons are being asked in our hands to destroy these creatures through the screen. What is the people hoping for in the confrontation with the Nazis. They must be destroyed like mad dogs. They never understood and cannot understand the human language, these animals can only kill. They must be dealt with accordingly.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 4 May 2014 07: 56
    +8
    Get up Odessa, no laughing matter.
    There is a gap in their teeth.
    Close up so that the whole mouth.
    There is no life for those who dill
  • Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 4 May 2014 08: 04
    +28
    They noticed that we do not see Vladimir Vladimirovich anywhere. For him, in fact, Peskov now speaks, but there is no personal appeal of the president to the people (face to face) regarding the latest events. The last time the persona of the head of state was shown when he was in Minsk on April 29-30, after which he disappeared. Similarly, we do not see Lavrov; instead, statements are made by representatives of the information department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and not even in the person of his head Lukashevich, but his deputy. It seems to me that it’s not just the holidays that matter, what the hell are the holidays, when this happens ........ Something grand is being prepared, comrades. Apparently the answer is not long in coming.
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 4 May 2014 08: 56
      +7
      "Similarly, we do not see Lavrov"

      There is no point in talking to them.
    2. Dezinto
      Dezinto 4 May 2014 09: 18
      +9
      Well, of course. It was exactly the same before the referendum in Crimea. Naturally things are going. He has nothing to do with performances. He is preparing his batch. I haven’t gone anywhere but the president is working. Works.
    3. Evrepid
      Evrepid 4 May 2014 09: 54
      +4
      his performance will be 100% an established fact, but for now it's all from the category "the dog barks the caravan goes" ...

      sorry for the comparison.
    4. gfhjkm
      gfhjkm 4 May 2014 12: 52
      +1
      They noticed that we do not see Vladimir Vladimirovich anywhere. For him, in fact, Peskov now speaks, but there is no personal appeal of the president to the people (face to face) regarding the latest events. The last time the persona of the head of state was shown when he was in Minsk on April 29-30, after which he disappeared. Similarly, we do not see Lavrov; instead, statements are made by representatives of the information department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and not even in the person of his head Lukashevich, but his deputy. It seems to me that it’s not just the holidays that matter, what the hell are the holidays, when this happens ........ Something grand is being prepared, comrades. Apparently the answer is not long in coming.

      First you need to eliminate the entire elite in Kiev with one pretty air strike, and then send troops if you don’t do this, then NATO and America will start to equip weapons with equipment.
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    6. Vita_vko
      Vita_vko 4 May 2014 16: 29
      0
      Maybe you're right. The facts of the crime against humanity, against their own people, for which the Kiev junta is directly responsible and the United States behind them, has accumulated more than enough. It's time to generalize and attach to the war crimes case.
      Of course I would like to believe it. But I’m afraid everything will be the same as in South Ossetia, where the United States turned on the back, and instead of accusing the genocide, Saakashvili will continue to stomp the earth beyond the hill. If Saakashvili would have been squeezed and convicted by an international court, then no one would have dared to fight against their own people in Ukraine now.
  • Grif
    Grif 4 May 2014 08: 05
    0
    Quote: duche

    29261


    Today, 07: 49

    ↓ New


    I don’t remember which of the forecasters said that the black monkey will be the last president of the United States, so we’ll tolerate a little
    This is Vanga predicted. She also said that in 2015 a nuclear war would begin. And Russia will start it and win.
    1. Stavros
      Stavros 4 May 2014 08: 44
      +2
      Vanga did not predict this. Manuscripts of a monk, a German by birth were found, in the monastery I do not remember in which area he wrote that there will be a new country, that is, the United States, and during the reign of his head, who will not be like the others, the country will be destroyed. The manuscript was seized by the NKVD and sent to Moscow. I read about it about 10 years ago.
      1. Ustian
        Ustian 4 May 2014 10: 50
        0
        Monk Black Spider ....
    2. Suvorov
      Suvorov 4 May 2014 17: 01
      0
      Quote: Grif
      This is Vanga predicted. She also said that in 2015 a nuclear war would begin. And Russia will start it and win.


      There will be no nuclear war. No one will start it. The mess in Ukraine will last another two years. There will be elections, re-elections and more. Southeast conquer banderlog will not succeed. The people will gradually mature and in 2017-18 Ukraine (or whatever remains of it) will join the Customs Union. So one astrologer predicted. Let's eat that he did not lie.
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  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 4 May 2014 08: 06
    +8
    The common saying of the inhabitants of Odessa, we do not fight, we trade! What can not be torn off! No offense, but time hoping for an uncle, sit out, it seems over!
  • Cubit
    Cubit 4 May 2014 08: 16
    +6
    The army has not yet been introduced. They would have created a Russian PMC and the Donbass militia as if "paid" for their services for public donations. And there to invite volunteers, Cossacks and, in general, everyone who really wants to help the brothers.
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  • Arkan
    Arkan 4 May 2014 08: 16
    +4
    Behind all this bloody story, we can clearly distinguish the handwriting of Western provocateurs.
  • tyumen901
    tyumen901 4 May 2014 08: 20
    +6
    Someone drew attention to the news twist the same pictures, almost a few days in a row, and these pictures are such that the hair stands on end, Vladimir is silent.
    They seem to be preparing, rallying us.
    PS Purely my opinion.
  • suomi
    suomi 4 May 2014 08: 23
    +6
    Why didn’t Putin send troops? And you read the comments on Ukrainian sites. Are they waiting for us there?
    http://censor.net.ua/video_news/283765/rossiyiskiyi_boevik_v_odesse_rasstrelivae


    t_ukrainskih_aktivistov_iz_akm_pod_prikrytiem_militsii_shokiruyuschee



    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/283798/arestovano_tri_boevika_iz_rossii_provokat


    orov_poboischa_v_odesse_fotoreportaj
    1. stas132
      stas132 4 May 2014 09: 06
      +5
      Absolutely, the people of Ukraine have not yet ripened. Those with weapons in their hands are a miser. So while we wait, although it hurts my heart to stupor.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 May 2014 10: 05
        +2
        Quote: stas132
        Absolutely, the people of Ukraine have not yet ripened

        What’s true, do you even look at what site he gives the link fool
  • 2log
    2log 4 May 2014 08: 25
    -4
    Quote: yurasumy
    Now I answer the question. Why Putin did not send troops. What for? In Donbass and Lugansk the situation is stable.

    Well, yes, now why, and then there’s no reason when everyone rolls out in brts. There are not our brothers, but actors of your theater, you would have more popcorn and beer.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 4 May 2014 08: 32
      +5
      Do not think with emotions, think with your head. What is happening is monstrous, but you need to think without emotions.
  • stranik
    stranik 4 May 2014 08: 26
    0
    [hide] [/ hide] http://youtu.be/6UBbbHt-cWo
    Rehearsal for Victory Day in Sevastopol
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 4 May 2014 08: 31
    +5
    You can’t get into Ukraine - this is the third world! It is necessary to help with specialists, weapons, medicines and professional personnel - this is the best option.
    1. Evrepid
      Evrepid 4 May 2014 10: 01
      +1
      I wrote this a week ago. listed by points what we are now obliged to help.
      here is my post:
      At the moment, it is necessary to help financially, namely:
      - small arms (machine guns, machine guns, pistols, etc.)
      - equipment (armored vehicles for personnel, light vehicles BMP / BTR)
      - honey. equipment (medicines, medical equipment, hospital care for the wounded in the Crimea, etc.)
      - training (volunteers are instructors, preferably natives from the Ukrainian territories, from the same Kharkov, Donbas, as far as I remember there were 15 such people in my company)
      - information support (information war in all types of media)
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 May 2014 02: 11
        +1
        Quote: Evrepid
        At the moment, it is necessary to help financially, namely:

        And why did the T-72 tanks, Mi-28 helicopters, "drying" helicopters, "Smerch" MLRS regret it? And instructors: “there are 15 people in a company!” Why waste time on trifles: Taman and Kantemirovsk divisions! Ryazan, Tula airborne brigades! And do not forget the Black Sea Fleet! Let's launch a submarine in the steppe of Ukraine!
  • sergerz
    sergerz 4 May 2014 08: 32
    +4
    The arrivals of American teachers and the actions of the junta correlate very well. The version presented in the article is consistent, only the events in Georgia and Ukraine show what the American leadership requires. What noodles hang right-wing idiots do not matter, the main tasks of American teachers are fulfilled. And if you do not execute, there will be no place for the junta after the collapse of Ukraine in the states. That junta and bends as it can. But they will pay for Odessa, that's for sure.
  • rassel0889
    rassel0889 4 May 2014 08: 33
    +6
    This event should be a cold shower for the whole zombie Dill !!!
    Masks were dropped, so that they would not speak in secret to the media, 40 dead alive in the fire can not be justified by anything!
    1. Sunflower
      Sunflower 4 May 2014 13: 23
      +1
      unfortunately there is not any soul crying there they are all rabid zombies, rejoiced that so many people were burned ..... Ukraine died ....
  • mackonya
    mackonya 4 May 2014 08: 33
    +3
    I don’t think that the blocking in the building of the Trade Union and the setting on fire was on the wave of “emotional” impulse and “feeling of blood”. The script had been prepared in advance and the result was precisely the setting fire to the buildings, because such a quantity of fuel and bottles for the Maidanutyh cocktail had to be prepared in advance. Everyone saw who was making the "blanks", everyone saw how the Interior Ministry officers supported the "punishers". This "mass" murder was needed by the scriptwriter with only one purpose - to make people angry against each other, only now the Western scriptwriters have forgotten that any action has opposition and the murders in the House of Trade Unions will be remembered by many and this should unite the cities of the South-East for a mass protest If, after 250 victims (killed and wounded), many will continue to siphon off, then Ukraine will be in chaos for a long time.
  • Andrei L.
    Andrei L. 4 May 2014 08: 37
    +6
    Those who wear the St. George ribbons Bandera shushera (deduced and kept on the money of the Americans) calls Colorado - forgetting where this vile insect came from and spread, so who else is Colorado is a big question
  • Hamul
    Hamul 4 May 2014 08: 39
    +1
    Quote: aleks700
    Not. We cannot become like the fascists. Just a headshot.

    it's too humane
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 May 2014 08: 41
    +2
    Yes, things have gone so far that it is time to prepare an "Indictment" against the scoundrels from the junta who organized the burning of civilians in Odessa, and one should not expect that the West, guilty of all the outrages perpetrated by the junta, will come out against its "sons of the Sukkah!" a bullet in a dull head!
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 4 May 2014 08: 44
    +11
    Be careful with matches. Troops on the territory of another state just do not enter.
  • Agent 008
    Agent 008 4 May 2014 08: 44
    +1
    The question is what? In my opinion, our troops should enter in order to "separate" the belligerent parties, that is, to be peacekeepers ... Civil war is flaring up! Sanctions are nonsense compared to the fact that INNOCENT PEOPLE'S BLOOD FLOWS! They write that they say now the Donbass will certainly rise and the junta's cover. But the junta has an army that has orders to suppress the uprising at any cost! Conclusion: Nothing WILL STOP THERE BY ITSELF, THE BLOOD WILL SPILL AND THERE WILL BE SENSE TO WAIT FOR THAT ITSELF! There will simply be MORE corpses, that's all ...
    1. Dave36
      Dave36 4 May 2014 09: 06
      +9
      Well, yes ... come in ... we’ll separate ... and our soldiers will be killed by Ukrainians ... and what to do ?? Burn to the borders with Poland ?? (this is according to VV Zhirinovsky))
  • jgthfnjh
    jgthfnjh 4 May 2014 08: 59
    +8
    [i] Why didn’t Putin bring in troops? And you read the comments on Ukrainian sites. Are they waiting for us there?
    http://censor.net.ua/video_news/283765/rossiyiskiyi_boevik_v_odesse_rasstrelivae

    t_ukrainskih_aktivistov_iz_akm_pod_prikrytiem_militsii_shokiruyuschee [b]

    yes, because until most Ukrainians get it, whoever they have in power will not get through with blood, unfortunately, until most of the seeds stop biting on the TV, waiting for how this whole bum will end (and I'll stay at home for now), until they sincerely wish that they would be helped, until they feel that there is a threat to their life and their children, there is no need to send troops (otherwise they will sit by the TV set and watch the next military show, now with the participation of the Russian military). troops will need to be supplied with current at a time when the vast majority (at least in the southeast) will meet them only as liberators from mortal danger.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 May 2014 09: 13
      +6
      Quote: jgthfnjh
      And you read the comments on Ukrainian sites. Are they waiting for us there?

      You put a link to the comments of the Censor and say that they are not waiting for us there wassat
      You still expressed the opinion of Turchinov or Farion regarding the introduction of our military laughing
      1. Vladimir73
        Vladimir73 4 May 2014 12: 58
        +2
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NwMQNrQM-Y
        http://napaki.livejournal.com/100072.html

        look, only without unnecessary emotions.

        And watch the video at the end of this link
        http://ai-zhilin.livejournal.com/1360753.html

        There are practically no emotions there, everything is calm and balanced. I especially liked the police and the buses with tinted windows from the back of the building.

        In my opinion, the conclusion is unambiguous - the same as the "Heavenly Hundred" only pensioners, activists got under the distribution (bullet wounds in the burned-out guys ...)
      2. suomi
        suomi 4 May 2014 17: 22
        0
        There are not residents of Ukraine write comments? The abomination is that almost all young people and middle-aged Ukrainians think so. They have long been zombied.
        1. Vladimir73
          Vladimir73 4 May 2014 17: 33
          0
          I'm not talking about comments, but about videos hi komenty is sometimes interesting and if you compare their tone with what it was a month ago ... there is progress
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 39
      +6
      Quote: jgthfnjh
      otherwise they will sit by the TV set and watch the next military show, the current is now with the participation of the Russian military

      Well, this is not the worst option. most likely they will start shooting our guys in the back
  • Kramoles
    Kramoles 4 May 2014 09: 08
    +3
    And it seems to me that everything should be resolved by May 9th. I don’t know exactly how, but there will be something and this will cause severe diarrhea among ukrofashists.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 May 2014 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: Kramoles
      And it seems to me that everything should be resolved by May 9

      Traditionally, on May 9, a lot of military units were parade in parades. Therefore, I doubt that until 9, later it is likely.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2014 11: 42
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Traditionally, on May 9, a lot of military troops were paraded in parades.

        Well, not so much) the more technology there is all with dummies)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 May 2014 13: 15
          0
          Quote: Lukich
          Well, not so much) the more technology there is all with dummies)

          Kamchatka, Khabarovsk and Vladivostok, so a good half of the L / C.
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 15: 14
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Kamchatka, Khabarovsk and Vladivostok, so a good half of the L / C.

            well, so half) one company of each kind of troops, this is clearly not half)
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2014 09: 08
    +2
    it’s not Serbia anymore, it’s already the Russian world and it looks like the point of no return has already been passed.
    it is especially scary when you read our homegrown librast-shitcrats, the comments on the "ear" are striking in their abomination and, apart from hatred, do not cause anything, but these commentators will shoot in the back if something happens
    1. polly
      polly 4 May 2014 09: 41
      +4
      So, our legislators must stop suffering because we are holier than the pope of Rome in matters of freedom of speech, and act in an American way in this matter. After all, this postulate is only in words, but in reality, citizens pulled their tongue into an inappropriate place and are afraid to move it even against the government.
  • RAA
    RAA 4 May 2014 09: 15
    +2
    The American establishment "dreams" of expanding Russia's borders to Poland. At least, everything is being done for this. Historical experience suggests that borders expanded when the need arose to neutralize another threat.
  • Uncle Dima
    Uncle Dima 4 May 2014 09: 19
    +3
    There is an analogy from 1914. The Austrians threatened the Serb brothers and unfortunately our not far-sighted Nicholas II became involved in the First World War. Similarly, now, the Nazis controlled by the geyrope and am trying to drag us into this conflict, then to hang all the dogs in Russia. Anglo-Saxons have the same methods. Nothing new.
    By the way, I am reading the book of our Minister of Culture Medinsky, the series "Myths about Russia". And there is a small paragraph about the president, and so the portrait of Peter I weighs in the office of the GDP. smile I advise everyone to read.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 4 May 2014 09: 47
      0
      Quote: Uncle Dima
      the book of our Minister of Culture of Medina,
      Before the movie "Stalingrad", he was attached to his words and usually supported. But now ... I hope he is being rehabilitated.
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  • tokens2
    tokens2 4 May 2014 09: 21
    +2
    I think that before introducing troops, you need to give the Ukrainian military the right to choose ... not to be with those who spit on the common memory of our ancestors, calling them "Colorades".
    Watching silently how Russians will be cut and burned means leading Russia to collapse. Well, after ... how the right of choice will be given ...
    I understand that there are still other "interested" NATO parties.
    There is another option ... to announce to the world that we are Russians and forget that there is such a nation-Russians.
    I can of course be mistaken for emotions. The authorities are more aware of the fact that it and the power to weigh everything.
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 4 May 2014 09: 22
    +2
    The heart is breaking with pain from what happened and from our helplessness of the people. We can only express our solidarity on the Internet with the people of the southeast and condolences. And our government is silent, and this is the most burdensome.
    1. Papania
      Papania 4 May 2014 09: 32
      +2
      I am joining. I grieve! Fists are clenched from the fact that I can’t even take one to the next world ....
    2. Papania
      Papania 4 May 2014 09: 32
      +1
      I am joining. I grieve! Fists are clenched from the fact that I can’t even take one to the next world ....
    3. Santehnik1997
      Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 11: 12
      0
      The people of the southeast are militants from Chechnya and an employee of the Russian GRU + "Berkut", who killed people on the Maidan. Wake up, Russians, there was no armed coup in Ukraine, there was a sniper shooting of participants in a protest action against the violation of the rights and freedoms of the entire population of all Ukraine.
      Depressive Lugansk and Donetsk were robbed by Yanukovych and his team back in the 90s, and then they wanted to enslave the whole of Ukraine with the flow of the government of the Russian Federation. What is happening there today is attempts to destabilize the situation in the country, disrupt the elections and retain the power of local oligarchs.
      The shooting of people on the Maidan, the escape of Yanukovych and all current events is the Kremlin’s scenario for the revival of the USSR. But Ukraine does not want this, we have been independent for 23 years, a generational change has taken place and the ideals of the USSR are alien to us.
  • Agent 008
    Agent 008 4 May 2014 09: 26
    +1
    Quote: Marrying
    Do not think with emotions, think with your head. What is happening is monstrous, but you need to think without emotions.

    Excuse me of course, but it’s impossible to perceive without emotion how people are burned alive and killed by innocent people! If you only think with your head, without passing through your heart and soul, then what will we all be worth? I’m an adult man, and then I get a lump in my throat when I see this monstrous lawlessness, and even the cynicism of the USA and the West knows no boundaries at all ... Well, yes, they only think with their heads ...
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 May 2014 09: 28
    +3
    I'm afraid to make a mistake, but it seems Odessa will say its word. http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic800431.html