Odessa 2 May. What it was and why Putin did not send troops

Waking up in the morning and analyzing the information in the network, I realized that the "unexpected" events in Odessa were not only for me. And even more so the consequences of these events. To understand me, I propose to go through the whole chain of "facts".

The evening of May 2. 2014 in Odessa did not foretell anything “bad” to either the residents or the city authorities. Some knew that “something” would happen, but they believed that everything was under control. Others did not guess anything. The procession "ultras" and the militants along the streets of Odessa was relatively quiet. But in the street. The Greek were attacked by people with bats, in combat gear, with St. George ribbons and RED BANDS on their hands. It was here that the first oddity and "discrepancy" happened with the official version of the junta. Exactly the same red dressings were in the hands of SOME Interior Ministry officers. The most interesting thing is that it was in this place where these employees were located and the “breakthrough” of “separatists” to the marchers took place. It was also absolutely “accidental” that this moment was taken from a high point, in relation to what is happening (as a former operator I’ll say: it means that the filmmaker knew the script and chose the position for shooting in advance). This was followed by a short skirmish as a result of which the first victims appeared. Moreover, unidentified "arrows" shot from the roofs and from the crowd (according to the junta it is clear that the pro-Russian). Then quick, on command, the withdrawal of "militants with bandages." After that, people with bandages disappear from the scene (they probably just took off the bandages and ribbons) and mixed with the crowd. Instead of pursuing overt provocateurs, the “brutalized” crowd rushed to Kulikovo Pole to the “fedets” camp. There were 200-300 people mostly old men and women (no more than 100 men) who could not offer any resistance ten times greater than the number of attackers. Therefore, they preferred to retreat to the House of Trade Unions, where it would be easier for them to keep a “defense”. Until now, everything went according to the plan of the "junta" (apparently, the plan included a repetition of Zaporozhye and Kharkov). The police simply moved on and were just “extras”. But the crowd, "intoxicated" with the first blood, could no longer stop. The kind of practically defenseless opponents did what they should have done. "Punitive killers" have lost their sense of proportion. Then there were only instincts.

"Burning" and "finishing off" the surviving "federates" can only be explained by this. It happened around 22-00 in Kiev (remember this time I will come back to this). It was at this time that the governor (gauleiter) of Odessa wrote to Facebook. that he does not see anything illegal in the actions of the crowd (as he probably now bites his elbows). He thought that everything was going according to plan. The camp of the "federates", which he could not disperse for several weeks already, according to the "plan of operation", has already been demolished. Those few "corpses" that were in Greek again "according to the plan" will be "hanged" by "pro-Russian militants" (those with ribbons and armbands). Who could have imagined. that the brutal "onizdeti" will burn a few dozen inhabitants of Odessa "alive", and those who escaped will be killed in the square without being ashamed of what they are being shot.

And now I will share some observations.

1. Militants that burned people were clearly "sharpened" by the fact that they were "fighting" against Russian saboteurs. Apparently, for them, too, it was a “shock” that they burned the same people from Odessa (they burned not only people from Odessa, but also many people from Odessa), and that this “blood” was on their hands (and this will bother them again). That is why the stream camera went shooting inside the building. And the first thing the punishers did was a “document search”.
Special thanks to etherealstation for the “civic stand”, who immediately, without delay, “refuted” the fake that “Russian mercenaries” were among the dead: http://etherealstation.livejournal.com/63026.html.

2. The actions in Kramatorsk went in "synchronization" with Odessa. Apparently, it was Odessa that was supposed to be an “information veil” (as I recall, Russian saboteurs arranged a massacre with “victims” in Odessa, so that the “cleansing” of Kramatorsk was allegedly justified), which ensured the actions of punishers in eastern Ukraine. Looking ahead to say that as soon as the junta realized what "history"they were entered by too zealous performers, the punitive operation in the east, as if by command, was curtailed (at least until this hour there are almost no active actions).

3. Actions Gauleiter Odessa. I have already mentioned that this creature (I cannot apply another word after yesterday’s) “according to plan” issued an “indulgence” to the murderers, declaring that everything that happens in Odessa is legal:

It (the creature) did not know that it was at these moments that the brutal crowd was burning alive from Odessa, and the survivors were trampling on their feet. A few hours later, when the horror of the situation reached, and his atrophied brains were followed by another statement, in which it said that it would punish the guilty. That is, find the switchmen. The first has already been found. This is the head of the regional police. Not to say that he is not guilty. Is to blame. But he is not the main culprit. That's for sure. In general, the entire Kiev top has not yet “recovered” from yesterday. Neither Turchinov nor Yatsenyuk have yet made any appeals and have not gone to the “debriefing” (They definitely distance themselves from what is happening. Although it looks ridiculous. The President and the Prime Minister no matter what. What are you then the government). For them, yesterday’s was also a shock.

4. There are no militants with bandages among those killed in the House of Trade Unions, which completely disproves the version of the junta.

What now will follow. There will be a radical protest. Odessa will now be difficult to protect from the "hot phase" (and other cities too). But now in Odessa there should appear a group of "Strelka" (analog), which can begin to "lead" the process. Definitely many of the former citizens of Ukraine turned away from the new government (especially in the South-East). On the other hand, the Junta protected itself from the coup, which was supposed to take place today or tomorrow (Tymoshenko’s gang can still steer for a while.) The “counterrevolutionaries” got what they wanted - they drank blood (for a while, of course). “Natsik” in this situation will be appointed “switchmen” (not today. Later.), Which is also beneficial for Turchinov-Tymoshenko.

Now I answer the question. Why Putin did not send troops. What for? In the Donbas and Lugansk situation is stable. The population of these regions after yesterday’s embittered against the junta is beyond any measure, which should affect the results of the “referendum” 11 in May. For the troops of the junta, Slavyansk was still a "tough nut". Militants in Odessa themselves began a "process" that could not begin without external assistance. Yes, and all over the Southeast, it seems everything is just beginning.

yurasumy

Dear yurasumy built a consistent and correct version. I completely agree with him - given what I know myself.

That's just really still worse and dirtier than the esteemed yurasumy. But he is too noble to even imagine such a thing.

Initially, it was a mean and cruel plan to suppress Odessa, following the example of Kharkov. But the Kievan blunders did not calculate that it was impossible to control the Nazis who had drunk blood - and therefore now in Kiev everyone is terrified of what happened (as Yatsenyuk and Turchinov are amicably together) and do not know what to do. Instead of extinguishing the protest in Odessa and the South-East, they splashed into the fire a tank of aviation kerosene. And now the separation of the South-East is not even a matter of probability, but a matter of time.

Now, between the Kiev-Western "Svidomo patriots" and residents of the South-East-the ashes. Bitter ash 38 Odessa.

And the murder can be redeemed only by death.

Please maximize the spread.

Lev Vershinin

Comments

[Humpty]

NATO bombed Serbia after showing two dozen and hastily dressed Albanian sadists.
How many more Russians must be killed by the Bandera reptiles to be crushed by a steam rink.
Banderlog will have to die.

[platitsyn70]

probably it’s time to lead the troops, how much it can go on mockery of the people.

Russian troops, which are now based on the peninsula, are put on high alert. This was reported by a source in the Russian army.

“The reason is the events in the Donbass and, now, in Odessa. First of all, we are talking about aviation, ”the source said.

In addition, according to eyewitnesses from different regions of the peninsula, in the afternoon Russian military planes and helicopters began to actively move around the Crimea.

“About 20 military aircraft, including Su-27 fighters, have just flown over Kirovsky towards Dzhankoy,” residents of the Kirovsky district of Crimea said.

Another witness said that several dozen Russian aircraft flew towards Belbek airport.

“Two transport planes were seen over Kerch several hours ago,” said one of the local residents.

Recall, according to Ukrainian experts, now in the 50-kilometer zone from the border of Russia with Ukraine there are up to 18 thousand Russian military.

The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.

[Skipper2050]

Let them put their sanctions in their asses, the GDP is waiting for something (some kind of report) and everything will be wrapped up.

[ya.seliwerstov2013]

And for everyone who disagrees with them
Attack right away by war.
Sneaky jackals and dogs
Bombed many peaceful countries,
Brutally destroyed everything in Iraq
And attacked the bastards, the Slavs.
How long can this go on?
How much will they kill?

[sledgehammer102]

Quote: Skipper2050

Let them put their sanctions in their asses, the GDP is waiting for something (some kind of report) and everything will be wrapped up.

In this matter, the main support is for the masses, but there is no such support either in the DPR or in Odessa, the resistance is 10% of the total population, and the opposition is also not small, but the main contingent is those whose hut is on the edge and now they are waiting for someone to take.

Now the question. In all the countries that we saved from fascism, we are now called invaders, even in Ukraine. And where is the likelihood that the same, albeit not Donchans, but Odessans then will not say that they lived in peace and did not grieve until the Russians arrived and ruined everything?

IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: sledgehammer102

IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

Absolutely agree. Help in the form of ammunition, ammunition, weapons and, as a maximum, advisers, but preferably without any human involvement. Moreover, all this should happen between 11 and 25 in May strictly according to the results of the referendum (the number of supporters of the Russian Federation is still unknown)

[zaboyschik]

What referendum, do you think it will be held? Without taking control of all roads, there will be no referendum.

[kit-kat]

The likelihood of falsification of the results of the referendum is extremely high.

[Blondy]

I am quoting my comment from the material "Who Should Stop Fascism in Ukraine?"
On the issue of referenda in the South-East of Ukraine.
The situation has changed. In the south-east of Ukraine, junta punishers attack and kill civilians, there is a civil war. The West has limited the circulation of democratic rights and freedoms and international law only to domestic use. Russia is still trying to act on the remnants of the field of international law.

Therefore, in connection with the changed situation, which has already become extraordinary and threatening the lives of local residents, it seems necessary and possible to include the following question in the referenda held in South-East of Ukraine:

"Do you express your will - to call on the Russian armed forces to protect your life, rights and dignity of a citizen?"

Answers: yes, no

[STi_v]

What to include? What question? There is no one to include anything there yet. Ukraine (ALL UKRAINE AND SOUTH-EAST INCLUDING) for two decades has been zombified by the media under the Western command that the West is prosperity, and Russia occupied Vilna Ukraine for 70 years and did not let it flourish. At the beginning of the Second World War, half of Ukraine with songs and dances joined the ranks of the Nazis in order to kill the "Russian occupants" and liberate Ukraine. In the Soviet Union, Ukrainians, along with all the numerous "immense" nationalities, studied at institutes, military schools and other institutions. And they always hated the Russians. Even then, they were proud that they could speak Ukrainian in Russia, but they categorically did not advise speaking Russian, for example, in Lvov. This is at the genetic level. And nowadays, former SS-sheep led by presidents are walking along the streets of Ukraine, and national-fascist organizations are growing like mushrooms. They are even present in the Verkhovna Rada as a party. And for 20 years after the collapse of the USSR, the majority, including in the South-East, have been processed by the media and are sure that it is WHAT IS WORKING in Russia (they say so) something terrible. Now they say they are CREATING in the Crimea and sincerely, sincerely sympathize with the Crimeans.
So to summarize: those speeches, as supporters of federalization say, are of a small, small, dead nature. They are few in number. Yes, they are enough to grab some social security for a couple of days. But when they are knocked out and burned out - where is the crowd of thousands that surrounded and trampled the militants of the right sector? Where are the police chiefs, the mayor of the city, the deputies of the city council, etc. As I understand it, after what happened in Odessa, the next morning the streets were to be filled with people and all the leading barefoot was to be presented to the public in front of her clear eyes. Then the junta would shudder. Least. Then the GDP would see that it acts in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people of Ukraine, and not 10-15% of activists who want to remain the nationality that their father and mother gave them, remember their grandfathers who defended their land from the fascist creature, and who do not want to be illustrated. Until then, and I am almost sure that there will be no GDP, it makes no sense to lay down the lives of Russian soldiers for those who "have not decided" what nationality he was born, and what he wants his children to be. This nation has already surrendered their country. And if he does not start shedding blood, to my great regret, I sincerely do not want this, but it will not be otherwise. It just never happened, because it never happens. So, if people do not begin to lose their men, women, children and neighbors - if a normal animal sense of self-preservation does not awaken in them, if they don’t want to simply survive at a deep genetic level - they will not defeat this scum.

[lg41]

Dear "no name". As a resident of Lugansk, I must tell you that you are greatly mistaken in assessing the situation in Ukraine.

[Alexey N]

As a resident of Lugansk, please answer why dozens are dying, several hundreds are standing at checkpoints, and thousands are going to rallies, millions of people live near you as if nothing had happened? One sheds blood on the front line (and you have war), and a hundred people pretend that they live in peacetime.

Donetsk region - 4 million 350 thousand (including 950 thousand - Donetsk)
Lugansk region - 2 million 200 thousand (including 460 thousand - Lugansk)

Why is that? Or is it all wrong?

[anarch]

Quote: STi_v

... At the beginning of the Second World War, half of Ukraine with songs and dances joined the ranks of the Nazis in order to kill the "Russian occupants" and liberate Ukraine.

Why this fucking sergeant-rulemaker?

[Sandov]

Quote: Blondy

"Do you express your will - to call on the Russian armed forces to protect your life, rights and dignity of a citizen?"

Answers: yes, no

I support. Otherwise, p and ndos will tear apart Ukraine.

[ermolai]

Well, maximum, "clear sky" for this, even the border does not need to be crossed, and at the same time, "land without armored vehicles" and our pilots are real exercises. help to patriots of Ukraine, and long-term diarrhea for the Nazis

[Al_lexx]

Quote: velikoros-xnumx

Quote: sledgehammer102

IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

Absolutely agree. Help in the form of ammunition, ammunition, weapons and, as a maximum, advisers, but preferably without any human involvement. Moreover, all this should happen between 11 and 25 in May strictly according to the results of the referendum (the number of supporters of the Russian Federation is still unknown)

+1

Only no one will stop the volunteers. And the fact that severe Siberian and not only peasants are reaching for it (have already been pulled there) is a fact.
And yet ... all this will not happen between the 11 and the 25 on May, but this will already happen in full growth. Maybe with the exception of weapons and not publicly.
And if Donetsk manages to hold a referendum, then after May 11-13, Russia will simply recognize this republic and will supply weapons there on an official basis, as a separate state. And not only weapons .. "Volunteers" will travel more on a regular, systematic basis. I don't think there will be a lack of them. And to make documents local - like to send two bytes.

[Bayard]

Quote: sledgehammer102

Now the question. In all the countries that we saved from fascism, we are now called invaders, even in Ukraine. And where is the likelihood that the same, albeit not Donchans, but Odessans then will not say that they lived in peace and did not grieve until the Russians arrived and ruined everything?

And who are you respected by nationality? In the Donbas, they are not just the same Russians as in Russia, they are more Russian because they are fighting for their Russianness, without outside help, almost without weapons (there are very few of them), almost without leaders (who are kidnapped and killed). I saw 13-15-year-old boys in Donetsk clinging to skateboard guards and elbow pads with pieces of armature in their hands, flocks scouring their native city in search of ukrofashists - feeble, but so decisive. Above Donbas is the RUSSIAN flag and the flag of the Donetsk Republic and they put their own life.
This is your esteemed hut from the edge (and therefore Ukrainian in spirit), and these guys are RUSSIAN. When everyone who is ready to fight will receive a weapon, no help will be needed, but, I repeat, it is sorely lacking.
We - RUSSIANS - always came to the rescue not because we were waiting for awards or thanks, but because we couldn’t do otherwise, we have such genes. And who doesn’t have those, he is a Ukrainian - he has a hut on the edge.

[sledgehammer102]

Quote: Bayard

And who are you respected by nationality? In the Donbas, they are not just the same Russians as in Russia, they are more Russian because they are fighting for their Russianness, without outside help, almost without weapons (there are very few of them), almost without leaders (who are kidnapped and killed).

Once again, in the millionth of Odessa, after the killing of 40 people, the next day a couple of hundred people came to the police department. And at the very peak (that is, not as usual) there were no more than 40 thousand demonstrations in the DNR on the streets. What percentage of the population? And now we are comparing with Crimea and its referendum result.

That is the question. is it worth fitting in for the whole of the DNI, then to get a bullet in the back? Wherever there was unanimity, we helped, and Transnistria, and in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and in Crimea. In the DPR, and even more so in Odessa, this is still a long way off. Even ATO cannot lead people to fight.

[zaboyschik]

And who is talking about Odessa here? The only region besides Donetsk and Lugansk where one can hope for the support of the population is Kharkiv. All, the rest of the south, only take stupidly by force, they will not mind.

[smart Fox]

There will be no !!! While the pack is fighting, you can watch it from the side, and try to kick at least one mongrel. the whole pack will switch to you. And you will explain to them. that he wanted to save the smallest dog from certain death?
This is their country, whether we like it or not, let them decide how they live in it.
Fight or negotiate peacefully, just let them decide.
And it will turn out so that Russia will not do everything will be bad.

[Havoc]

Quote: sledgehammer102

Quote: Bayard

And who are you respected by nationality? In the Donbas, they are not just the same Russians as in Russia, they are more Russian because they are fighting for their Russianness, without outside help, almost without weapons (there are very few of them), almost without leaders (who are kidnapped and killed).

Once again, in the millionth of Odessa, after the killing of 40 people, the next day a couple of hundred people came to the police department. And at the very peak (that is, not as usual) there were no more than 40 thousand demonstrations in the DNR on the streets. What percentage of the population? And now we are comparing with Crimea and its referendum result.

That is the question. is it worth fitting in for the whole of the DNI, then to get a bullet in the back? Wherever there was unanimity, we helped, and Transnistria, and in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and in Crimea. In the DPR, and even more so in Odessa, this is still a long way off. Even ATO cannot lead people to fight.

Totally agree with you. Before the entry of troops into the Crimea V.V. Putin said that the situation was monitored and only after learning that there would be support from the population did what happened. For me personally, the situation is strange and incomprehensible, miners are silent, in cities with millionaires, a maximum of 3-5 thousand people come out for demonstrations. Fighting is carried out separately, each defends its own city, instead of rallying. I don’t understand sitting in the city center in busy buildings, waiting for something, or they think that the army will leave.

[lg41]

So let's get to us as a private person and organize an active process.

[smart Fox]

And you will sit on the sofas and see who wins? Why do I need an active process in another state. We ourselves have only recently calmed down. In Ukraine, the one who is better organized will win, while they are right-wingers.

[makarick]

I will give a simple example from life about the ambiguity of the assessment of what is happening by the citizens of Ukraine. One Crimean Tatar is a Crimean resident, the second Russian is a center. Ukrainian. Both of my acquaintances, emigrants from Uzbekistan (left as adults in the late 90's, were born, grew up, got arr in the USSR). Both (and fiercely defend their opinions) consider Russia the occupier and enemy of Ukraine. And then what about so many indigenous people?

[huginn]

From Odessa:
"In Odessa, the following phrases are heard from the inhabitants:

- So there there were only homeless people and visitors, they did the right thing to clean the area
- These first began to shoot - they themselves are to blame - but these generally peacefully stood the anthem sang
- We don’t need Putin here - they did the right thing to remove them

With a pain in my heart, I state what I hear "

[ksenya]

Yes, I immediately recall the famous statement of Niemeller: “When the Nazis came for the communists, I was silent, I’m not a communist. Then they came for the Social Democrats, I was silent, I’m not a Social Democrat. Then they came for the trade unionists, I was silent, I’m not a member of the trade union. Then they came for the Jews, I was silent, I’m not a Jew. And then they came for me, and there was no one who could protest. "

[alpenstock]

and in fact, no homeless people or visitors, right? HERE AND STATE NOW ...

[svd-xnumx]

I will give a simple example from life about the ambiguity of the assessment of what is happening by the citizens of Ukraine. One Crimean Tatar is a Crimean resident, the second Russian is a center. Ukrainian. Both of my acquaintances, emigrants from Uzbekistan (left as adults in the late 90's, were born, grew up, got arr in the USSR). Both (and fiercely defend their opinions) consider Russia the occupier and enemy of Ukraine. And then what about so many indigenous people?

Well, who will they consider an enemy if they are being put their brains out of a zomboy for 24 hours, remember Yugoslavia, TV centers were bombed first, militias of South-East turned on Russian punitive channels first of all in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk seized television centers. The State Department wants to re-educate Russia through television and radio broadcasting , the grandmothers have already been allocated and the performers have been found. and in Odessa the House of Trade Unions was still burning, and the guilty ones were already called ukrosmi-Russian and Transnistrian separatists with weapons stored on the Kulikovo field attacked a peaceful demonstration and set themselves on fire. 90% of the population, both in Russia and in Ukraine believes that they were told from the TV and shown the corresponding picture, and they will not check at least via the Internet, but they will see a different position there - "anything can be shoved into a computer"

[Giacint a]

But it’s not with troops that they can set their brains !!!

[lg41]

Dear sledgehammer102 (2). A civil war is already going on in Ukraine. Almost unarmed residents of the eastern regions of Ukraine against the Kiev junta and the Gallich, well-funded, provided with equipment and necessary weapons in sufficient quantities to DESTROY the inhabitants of the southeast. Your written judgments (nonsense) in comments are simply very annoying

[KCC]

In Lugansk, rebels (I saw it on TV myself) say that they seized 10000 barrels, I repeat the tens of thousands of weapons that we need, the S-300, let them distribute weapons to those who want to fight with the Bandera, and do not wait and are afraid of the consequences. In white gloves it is not possible to fight.

[zaboyschik]

And s-300 would not be in the way, today Khokhlosushka flew, it would be nice to discourage. Ten thousand trunks dreamed of someone, all that was distributed yesterday. Few, very few, two dozen 12.7 machine guns at once would solve the problem with armored personnel carriers. And to use birds of thirty years ago and RPG against SVN is not the best idea.

[Containers]

ATGM and RPGs are an unfortunate idea against armored personnel carriers, but is a successful one a heavy machine gun? You, my friend, eat too much. =)

[KCC]

In Lugansk, rebels (I saw it on TV myself) say that they seized 10000 barrels, I repeat the tens of thousands of weapons that we need, the S-300, let them distribute weapons to those who want to fight with the Bandera, and do not wait and are afraid of the consequences. In white gloves it is not possible to fight.

[naGua]

10 thousand weather trunks will not do. Only a lot of blood. Of course it’s good IF EVERYTHING gets weapons to the militias. We need ammunition, we need the military, the former, although there are no former military, an axiom. And most importantly, a clear coordination of actions is needed. Not only intracity, but also with the rest of the Southeast cities. And something is not observed, unfortunately. I think temporarily. Then there will be a serious rebuff.
And as for the S-300, apparently it was said in passion. But MANPADS "Igla" would not hurt. Look, in Slavyansk, helicopters were shot down. And immediately they stopped flying.

[Slavich]

First of all, means of destruction of armored vehicles are needed. Well, there are more snipers to shoot pravoseks, and conscripts do not really want to go to war.

[svd-xnumx]

During the entire punitive operation, the militia did not set fire to more than one armored personnel carrier of the Ukrainian army, they hide behind them and fire.

[lg41]

In Slavyansk there is a smart professional Commander

[Giacint a]

Allowing "gaponism" on armored personnel carriers and Nazi guards ?! Where are the ambushes, land mines and traps, fire bags ??? In general, the war is specific ?! And after Odessa, the question is whether or not!

[skeptic]

Quote: naGua

10 thousand weather trunks will not do. Only a lot of blood.

As far as I remember, in the salt mines, weapons and ammunition of the 1st and 2nd world wars are stored. the largest warehouses in Eastern Europe, which "protect" from the right-wing people, by checkpoints of the self-defense forces.
So that? This is not a weapon? Afghans began to fight with English guns of the 18th century.
If the Ukrainian army saw the REAL DECISION of the PEOPLE, it would have long gone over to the side of the Southeast.

[Mikhail3]

To enter the troops you need a front line. Such as, for example, along the borders of Crimea. And your front line goes from person to person - the troops have nothing to do here. Nowhere to shoot them, but for the slaughter we will not leave our soldiers. Show him where you have the Russian rear, where is OUR that you need to protect? As long as everything is mixed up, Russian troops will not be able to enter.

[lg41]

Come and look at the place. Maybe you can help something

[STi_v]

No brother, disagree with you. You don’t have enough weapons. You do not have enough companions. There are boys you are talking about and they are real heroes, this is certain. But THEM are few. Sympathizing with them, worrying about their future, considering themselves Russian and sitting at home are not people. This is the population. And if this population regrets that their leaders are abducted, complain to their neighbors and continue to stay at home - nothing will change. I will not repeat myself, I wrote my opinion in the message above. Ready to discuss. I’m ready to turn out to be wrong, I even want to turn out to be wrong, but I’m afraid that it is so, at least as long as it is.

[lg41]

"Ready to debate." If you are ready to fight, come. We will be glad to receive real support. On a smoke break, we will discuss and find mutual understanding

[SHI69]

Sevastopol went

[Xunta]

There will be blood .... there will be people who will avenge this blood .... this is only the beginning ...

[Harin Oleg]

There is an old proverb: "When two dogs are fighting, the third one does not go." In Ukraine, there are Russian-speaking citizens who, a priori, are citizens of their own, again, theirs, country. Under Soviet rule, not everything there. Thank God there was a national issue, in particular, in relation to the Russians. And after 23 years of independence, you should not indulge yourself in the hope that there is something left of the brotherly (or - "brotherly"?) People. The bulk of the people is absolutely indifferent to what is happening, I think that we can talk about 97-98 percent of the population. This amorphous mass is already observing what is happening with indifference, but it will not allow anyone to interfere in their internal affairs. Nobody, except the citizens of Ukraine themselves, will settle the situation. But the paradox of the situation is that they themselves (without the intervention of a third force) cannot do this. And any "third dog" will be torn apart by the fight and immediately joined them, dozing until that time, the crowd. Everyone goes crazy in their own way, and Ukraine makes its own choice, and there is nothing to meddle with - there will be no sense for Russia in any case. One hemorrhoid, which is already enough ...

[Corsair]

Quote: Kharin Oleg

There is an old proverb: "When two dogs are fighting, the third one does not go."

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05.05.2014, 0: 04
ARTICLE AUTHOR: macroud

Well, when, well, when ?! Why is Putin lingering? Ah, rather introduce an army to the Donbass! And to Odessa! And immediately to Kiev! Crush this fascist scum! And there, not far to Berlin, and to Washington. Indignant citizens and ... all kinds of provocateurs impatiently call for this.

The outrage is understandable, but ... Donbass is successfully holding on. Odessa is focusing. Other New Russia begins to think something. But all the attempts of the junta remain only attempts. In general, everything is developing quite well, no matter how cynical it may sound. Russian Ukraine should be consolidated, should be organized, should be well organized! And this process is gaining momentum right before our eyes. They will do it themselves. And already cope. The main thing is not to bother them!

But they can interfere. That same "progressive humanity" ...

The deployment of Russian troops now to protect the Russians of Donbass is a license for exactly the same deployment of troops of the Romanian, Hungarian and Polish! They will not deny themselves this pleasure - after all, in Ukraine there are both their citizens and their fellow tribesmen. With the subsequent introduction of other NATY. And to hell that object to this! And something tells me that it is unlikely that the "liberating army" will confine themselves to the territories of their compatriots.

And the UN peacekeepers will not help either. In the best case, they simply stop the situation, i.e. force the population to submit to the junta. Will such an option suit us? No, this option will not suit us!

And if these "peacekeepers" are, for example, from Georgia and Estonia? What, will we veto? On an initiative whose formal purpose has so long been unsuccessfully advancing by Russia itself?

No, now the task of Russia is not the deployment of its troops, but the prevention of the entry of any other troops. And here we will stand to death! Well, the feasible help of New Russia, of course. But who will advertise such help?

Patience, friends, patience! We intervene, necessarily intervene - we simply cannot but intervene. But we will do it in an optimal way. When the time comes.

Do not put pressure on Putin. Do not customize it. He will do everything right. I'm sure we will all like it!

[I am proud of Russia]

Corsair (2) SU Today, 01:30 ↑
Chapai thinks
05.05.2014, 0: 04
ARTICLE AUTHOR: macroud

Well, when, well, when ?! Why is Putin lingering? .... Do not put pressure on Putin. Do not customize it. He will do everything right. I'm sure we all will like it!

Support. Everything is correctly and intelligibly said.

[aleshka]

Boys, they are boys! They don’t know what death is and don’t believe in it! But really how many people will take up arms (if any) is the question! In millionth Odessa, at least one hundred thousand people should have taken to the streets, and how many did ??? three hundred? five hundred? So conversations remain conversations, but there really isn’t much resistance !!!

[okunevich_rv]

Our statements about the inconsistency of Ukraine’s resistance are even more offensive to those who protect people from being law-abiding, but the facts are stubborn things, I think either the Russians in Ukraine are repressed and annihilated, or they will hold out until the fall, and there the lazy ones will rise from hunger and cold and will swell their cheeks like they are from the first days with the militia, and maybe against the militia.

[Umnichka]

The question is not only to save them - if we don’t react, tomorrow we will have the same. Saving the Southeast, we save ourselves. No options.

[lg41]

Right thought

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: Umnichka

Saving the Southeast, we save ourselves. No options.

SUCH we will not. There are no prerequisites, there is no prepared soil (although it was prepared for about 20 years, as in Ukraine, but almost unsuccessfully), there are no such massive national and ideological contradictions (I cannot remember the existence of opposing Western and Eastern Russians). We had our own Maidan on Bolotnaya, which did not have even the slightest support from the population of at least Moscow, the most "liberal"-minded city, not to mention the main massif of Russia.
In Ukraine, the seed initially fell on prepared soil (which is a sin to hide, let's not deny the obvious) that’s the whole story.

[Anna Kirichuk]

I agree with you 100%. Reason is seething with indignation that fascism is walking around Ukraine, and the bulk of the population is silent ...

[lg41]

fascists not only walk, but also shoot unarmed without warning. and enjoy corpses

[zaboyschik]

How many have you hammered that there are no Urins. Yesterday, they armed everyone who had enough weapons, you don’t see that they shoot anyway with or without weapons. Wake up, shoot without warning only see. We are no longer asking for any troops, just heavy weapons to combat armored vehicles. Even the baboons in Libya, Syria, are supported by Saudi Islamists, and our brothers can’t throw a pissing cartridge to us.

[SHI69]

this must be done! Sevastopol is with you!

[tank64rus]

Hit their communications. You are at home. Create volatile mobile groups on motorcycles or jeeps. The number of 3-4 people, weapons, AK, RPG, SVT. Do not wait for everything at the checkpoints. Ambush at the approach, more maneuver. A soldier wants to eat and drink, and equipment needs fuel and lubricants. Do not let them rest at their bases. hunt for the lobsters. Show them that they are occupiers here.

[Nick]

Quote: sledgehammer102

IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

The conclusion is correct, but in addition to political assistance, the militia of the southeast needs the help of the military-technical cooperation line. America does not hesitate to support the Kiev junta, Russia should do the same ...

[Foxmara]

and their victory is a hundred times more expensive than the gift, and they have the resources to win!

[s1н7т]

Your IMHO deserves a place in your own ... Well, you get the idea. My relatives live in Odessa, Russians! And they live in Kotovsk, and many more where there. They are Russians! If Pudding does not eliminate this outrage - the "state of Ukraine", he will repeat the "feat" of those who created him.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: c1n7

Your IMHO deserves a place in your own ... Well, you understand. My relatives live in Odessa, Russians!

Quote: c1n7

If Pudding does not eliminate this outrage - "the state of Ukraine"

What are YOUR specific suggestions? !!

[s1н7т]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

What are YOUR specific suggestions? !!

There is only one proposal - to return the territory to the "historical homeland"!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

how, please, without slogans, a clear plan of action, how, when, how you are going to deal with the consequences, analysis of a possible conflict outside of Ukraine.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

a clear plan of action how when when how

"And for what purpose are you interested?" (C)

[makarick]

You insult the president of the country you are asking for help that protects you, if not for Putin, then Bendera would have resolved the issue with you a long time ago, but honestly, Russia could have split up into republics without him (remember the time of Yeltsin). It’s just not beautiful to be so rude. I also worry about the inhabitants of Ukraine, I have a sister there, nephews, and they are not Ukrainians ...

[s1н7т]

Quote: makarick

(remember the times of Yeltsin)

Gee! And where did your Solntselikiy come from, isn't it from Yeltsin ?! Have you drunk your brain?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: c1n7

And where did your Sunshine come from

Well, what was silent a year ago, it was necessary to nominate yourself for the presidency of the Russian Federation, apparently, you have enough knowledge

[s1н7т]

No, the president of such rude people like you - fire!

[Giacint a]

And maybe enough to help the French, Germans, Poles and, now, RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF UKRAINE. At the expense of the lives of our people to demolish those governments that they themselves have kept silent. In the last century, in Afghanistan, the awareness of inter-shit in relation to bachelors came in the 2nd week of presence across the river.

[Myka]

we live almost the entire recent history in an atmosphere of sanctions, so nevermind, we will still live =)

[Sandov]

Quote: sledgehammer102

IMHO, the conclusion of the article is correct, fascism in Ukraine must be defeated by the Ukrainians themselves (albeit with political assistance from the Russian Federation)

Food, weapons, ammunition will not hurt, intelligence, drone strikes on the nests of the Nazis and the demolition team. Bare hands with these animals can not cope.

[Containers]

"My hut is on the edge" - it is rightly said about the attitude. Only people will not understand in any way that the extreme hut usually starts to burn first ... Apparently everyone is waiting for this understanding.

[Bob]

Quote: Skipper2050

The GDP is waiting for something (some kind of report) and everything will be wrapped up.

VV is preparing a strike where no one is waiting. The meeting of the 20 matches in Beijing in May 2014.

[chehywed]

Quote: Skipper2050

GDP is waiting for something

The results of the referendum on May 11.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Skipper2050

Let them put their sanctions in their ass, GDP is waiting for something

Putting WIPO in is a predictable maneuver on the part of Putin, and he acts like no one expects. We will not understand what Putin will do only when he takes a step and not earlier.

[koshh]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

We will understand what Putin will do only when he takes a step and not earlier.

That's right. We have no right to decide and suggest GDP. He is our president and the opinion of the majority of the people he knows. So what are we waiting for.

[Xergey]

waiting for people to blow out themselves, and not to hide in huts

[zaboyschik]

One more, here those who came out without weapons are shooting, then that.

[niki233]

and you sit further down the huts and they will come to your home soon.

[Corporal]

GDP is not waiting for a report, GDP is waiting for Ukraine to wake up. So far, there is no certainty that the vast majority of even the southeast is unequivocally for Russia. And sending your troops into hostile territory is a sure way to rake in a bunch of problems.

[Buran]

The operation in Crimea was being prepared for a month, and with the maximum support of the local population, and the complete wretchedness of the military potential of Ukraine. Now we need to prepare for action in the South-East where all the combatant punitive punishment of Banderstad is pulled together. It takes time, and not a couple of weeks. Without serious reconnaissance, training and the accumulation of forces, no one will be with a bare sword. It’s just that all these ersatz punishers need to understand, they will wet, all without mercy.

[Zeus]

You say so, as if you know what GDP is doing. Here is the video amusing. Even the audio. About possible options

[2я19]

It is trite scary to our GDP. And there’s nothing to wait.

[Myka]

they would have given the go-ahead to the military registration and enlistment offices to keep a record of volunteers, there isn’t regular infantry there, there’s more volunteers, more than enough of them, in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug-Ugra there would be a hundred

[krpmlws]

Why is the Russian Federation inactive, where is the help to compatriots? The introduction of troops is one thing, why is military or humanitarian assistance not provided? What are we waiting for, the referendum? How can you wait for something if blood is pouring in Ukraine, rampant fascist obscurantism? You need to come to the rescue now fraternal people. Inaction, betrayal of compatriots, criminal connivance to fascism.

[VeteranS]

And who will officially tell you that Russia is now providing various assistance, including military assistance? I have no doubt that such assistance has been provided for a long time, only without unnecessary noise, politely and specifically!
There will be an hour "H" and we will all learn that such a real help to the fraternal people of the South-East of Ukraine!

[Sinara70]

How do you want to believe in it !!!!!
And this help, both by people and RPGs, and by Mukhami-oh-I NEED IT !!!!!
One FLY - 10 saved lives .... those who have not even been born !!!!

[kenig1]

RPGs and Flies, how is it?

[zaboyschik]

You can doubt it does not. In Kramatorsk this happens only because there was ammunition with a gulkin nose.

[zulusuluz]

To whom? Who considers the Russian occupiers? So when they see the real invaders and ask for help - then something can be done.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: krpmlws

why military or humanitarian aid is not provided?

But how do you imagine the provision of suppose humanitarian assistance (I won’t talk about the military) ?!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: krpmlws

Why the Russian Federation is inactive, where is the help to compatriots?

Because the events in Ukraine are our modern Caribbean crisis, which, with one wrong move, can lead to the 3rd world with the use of nuclear weapons.
Although I wrote here two years ago that the clash between the West and the East is only a matter of time. It stinks of war.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Warrior stinks.

Sasha! Holy war doesn't stink It smells and you can’t hide from this smell Report from the Noose On the Neck: Better to die standing than to live on your knees Julius Fucik

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Ruslan67

Holy war doesn't stink

ANY war stinks and dies in any war, including children and women, only a degenerate can love and admire it

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

only a degenerate can love and admire war

I do not understand I don’t admire and don’t like. If those conditional women who poured bottles with infernal mixture in Odessa die in this war, then believe me, the corpse of such an enemy always smells good Probably because once and for all

[svp67]

Quote: platitsyn70

About 20 military aircraft, including Su-27 fighters, have just flown over Kirovsky towards Dzhankoy, ”said residents of the Kirovsky district of Crimea.
Another witness said that several dozen Russian aircraft flew towards Belbek airport.
“Two transport planes were seen over Kerch several hours ago,” said one of the local residents.

Our planes flew to Crimea for display at the May 9 air parade ... look at them for several different types ...

[His]

Probably getting ready for the parade (official version)

[Evrepid]

aha "swifts" and "Russian knights", the official statement, will not participate in the parade in Moscow. since will be at the parade in Sevastopol.

[kenig1]

Yes, the Tu-160 and Tu -95 were adjusted for the war with the Ukrainian junta, and IL-78 for refueling, flying far away.

[Rostovchanin]

flew to the Crimea for display at the air parade in honor of May 9.

four tu-95s are too much for a parade ... + tu-160 - 1 unit, but it is not advisable to use them in Ukraine, there are no targets for them ... there are front-line bombers and attack aircraft "behind the back"

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Rostovchanin

four tu-95s are too much for a parade ... + tu-160 - 1 unit, but it is not advisable to use them in Ukraine, there are no targets for them ... there are front-line bombers and attack aircraft "behind the back"

"Parades" are held not only for their own people, but also for their neighbors!

[Evrepid]

We don’t argue, but you yourself think, especially against the background of the assertion that Crimea is truly Ukrainian land.

further in this regard, everything is laid out correctly.

[Kolya]

It’s just there that one Tu-160 is needed to hit the den of fascism in the presidential administration (in Parubiy and Co.). Why beat the simple conscripts who drove for the ATO? Do you think those guys want to fight against their people?

[Ustian]

Quote: Kohl

Do you think those guys want to fight against their people?

NOT! Not to want. But they are fighting! And therefore to wet, and not only in outhouses ....

[andrejwz]

Quote: Kohl

It’s just there that one Tu-160 is needed to hit the den of fascism in the presidential administration (in Parubiy and Co.).

And then declare that the administration of the president and Co. made an act of self-destruction.

[I am proud of Russia]

andrejwz RU Yesterday, 11:04 ↑
Quote: Kohl
It’s just there that one Tu-160 is needed to hit the den of fascism in the presidential administration (in Parubiy and Co.).
And then declare that the administration of the president and Co. made an act of self-destruction.

Exactly! I think this idea has been coming to many people for a long time. Hit the den of fascism. After all, "the fish rots from the head." Maybe there will be those who are not afraid to put it into practice!

[Lukich]

Quote: Kohl

Do you think those guys want to fight against their people?

and there the National Guard mainly fights (the right sector)

[zaboyschik]

What conscripts, behind the backs of the few regular ones are the real Bandera Nazis, but here they suggest going out to the streets with demonstrations.

[nicolai64]

At first, operations could have suggested that the warriors did not want to fight. Even there were crossings to the side of Donbass. And mind you, now there are no such cases. Either they were well intimidated or exchanged for the right ones, who do not care who to shoot at. And now troops from Zhytomyr and Zaporozhye (far from Zapadents!) Are participating in the operation. So morality is melting before our eyes. Previously, no one dared to go BMP on people, and right now one old man easily crossed his legs and nothing. I think that if the GDP continues to stretch back, then the resistance will be spread like flies. Then there will be no one to save. I feel sorry for people, they hope for the help of Russia.

[His]

They are soiled in blood. This is the favorite tactics of the Nazis. When you kill, you are a killer, by definition, at least one hundred.

[Containers]

In fact, plans for basing in the Crimea YES have long been announced. To control the Black Sea, for example.

[aleks700]

And I don't care. And the president’s friends?

[Ustian]

the troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order,I don’t give a damn about US sanctions personally.
I support categorically !!!
Well, from myself I’ll add-I do not care about everything related to seshea and their analyses in Europe !!!
Prasekov and Ultrasek destroy mercilessly.
Including whores, hammer cocktail packers ....

[Sinara70]

I support, CATEGORALLY !!!!
To score a Big Bolt - To Frau, To all Gay Europe, and to the black president a !!!!!
Pravosekov captured - DO NOT TAKE !!!!!
Only to the wall !!!

[AndreyS]

Nooooo! Pravosekov captured TAKE !!!!!!! But to give to their relatives burned in Odessa, and killed in the Donbass !!!!!!!!!

[Bayard]

Quote: platitsyn70

The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.

God forbid, because Donetsk has been overlaid on all sides, and the formation of the militia has just begun, one spirit and small arms may not be enough, but everyone’s mood is gloomy and very decisive ... if support from the air, everything would break once!

[1812 1945]

Quote: platitsyn70

The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.

About the "bad consequences" of the introduction of troops it is the pind..sy who make stuffing on the Internet, "calls on the radio", etc. Allegedly from "sensible Russians". Like - "at the wrong time!" For the United States, the introduction of Russian troops and complete control by Russia over the territory united by bad will in the bad moments of our history called Ukraine is the complete collapse of their geostrategic project. Delay is fraught not only with the tragedies that have already happened - people died, but also with the mobilization of all anti-Russian forces with the organizational and very significant financial support of the United States (I hope that they will list who stood up and will stand "under the banner of the junta" during the reading of the judgments of the tribunals)

[Xergey]

troops should be introduced only after 200-300 thousand people go out into the street, and there is no sense they will sit and wait when we arrive, I think it's honest why we will go to die and local houses sit to wait

[Outside]

In-in, as in one well-known anecdote: "Take your time, now we will slowly go down and cover the whole herd ..."

[MEDVED]

who does not care like "Strelka", has long been in the Donbass with weapons in hand .... They do not shout: why Putin hesitates, it is high time to send troops to Ukraine, and take up arms. Our brothers, sisters, sons, husbands and fathers serve in the armed forces of the Russian Federation. And in war, as you know, they kill.

[Validator]

Quote: platitsyn70

probably it’s time to lead the troops, how much it can go on mockery of the people.

The introduction of troops is an extreme, last resort. It is right to take control of the border, the legal grounds for this in the DPR and Lugansk are already there and voiced. And introduce volunteers, supply weapons. A statement by Yanukovych from Ukrainian territory on the reassignment of troops should turn the tide. All loyal troops of the junta near Raisins to surround and defeat them need about 10000 people. After that, the path to Kiev will be open and the junta will scatter

[Andrey44]

I ask you not to escalate much. Our aircraft, with the advent of Shoigu, simply began to conduct more training, maneuvers, firing, flights. This is observed throughout Russia. Where there are bases, training is going on everywhere, as in the USSR (if you remember how often the turntables flew along the famous sandy beach near Feodosia) and this inspires confidence - this is ours. I am sure that the blow to the fascists will be unexpected and extremely effective.

[Free Island]

Quote: platitsyn70

I don’t give a damn about US sanctions personally.

yes in my opinion on these sanctions EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY DOESN'T give a damn)) sanctions are the self-comfort of the niger Obananymama and his puppeteers))

[Docent1984]

We all do not care about their sanctions)

[aleshka]

I understand your mood! According to my emotions, I would also be in favor of bringing in troops, BUT, if 50% of the population of the southeast are now pro-Russian, I’m afraid that after the troops are sent there will be ten percent left, IMHO !!!

[ATATA]

Quote: platitsyn70

The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.

Well, you just do not speak for yourself.
For example, I do not care about the same sanctions.

[Botanologist]

Quote: platitsyn70

probably it's time to drive troops

Probably it's time to strangle all the idiots who are trying to pretend that they are leading the country. And troops are not required for this.
With the introduction of troops, we will save the Kiev junta both morally and politically - all Westerners expect this only.

[acute]

what would Russia do or not, there will be sanctions. I don’t even know that now either an open confrontation or a wait and see attitude is more preferable. The only force that accelerates the escalation is the United States, they are also the only force capable of stopping this nightmare with one decision. After all, the current Kiev authorities listen only to them

[Lyudamila]

The whole world today has already recognized that the fascist junta, under the leadership of the United States, is creating genocide of its people! How much more to wait for help from Russia! After all, this is our people! Every life is valuable! God gives her! The Nazis should not take these lives !!!

[Kassandra]

if you don’t fuck up .. with sanctions and will not withdraw your troops from Ukraine (from Krivoy Rog, etc.) then you can reduce the staff
better start with nevada

[Flanker]

I’ll write here to be seen.
Not everything is as it is written here. I talked with the ultras who participated in the march, received some info and videos from him, and some of the blog articles. After the attack of the column, she didn’t rush to Kulikovo Field herself, people appeared in the crowd who gathered people and invited them to go there (I don’t remember what they proposed to do). The video of one of the supporters of federalization (they didn’t all go to the building, some went around and didn’t touch them) shows that from the roof several young men with the same red armbands threw bottles down and shot (!) With pistols, the same centurion actually shot back (continuous video 25 minutes, I didn’t watch completely). A fire broke out on the 3rd floor, where cocktails did not reach. There were several views that showed that the ultras were HELPED to those who jumped out of the windows, rather than finished off. Plus the corpses inside, a jamb that I myself did not notice these oddities in the pictures: for the majority only the upper part of the body and hands were burned, while on the legs even the clothes were not burned. Plus uncharacteristic for poses burnt in the fire. Plus, where the bullet inlets are visible. One photo clearly shows that the corpse of a woman was dragged along the floor, soot marks remained (where there are two corpses near the doors).

Inside the retreating, they ALREADY waited and started a massacre, killed in different ways and cruelly, the stairs (at least one) were barricaded so that people could not hide on the upper floors, and the bodies of the dead were poured with a combustible mixture and set on fire. Some were still poured alive, such brushes burned to the bones from the fact that they tried to shake the burning mixture from their heads.

Those from the crowd who entered the building also noted the oddities, and therefore shout that they set themselves on fire. They also wondered why those who were seated in the building could not even reach the windows. My interlocutor turned out to be quite adequate, and justified the burning of the town by events on the street, when provocateurs attacked them (the burning of the town, but not the murder inside). His words - "We just walked with the ultras of Chernomorets in a peaceful march before the game, then we were attacked by quilted jackets with firearms ... and what should we have done when they killed ours?" The crowd was extras and was led to a controlled provocation. Judging by the video, the march was indeed quite peaceful. Those who did not march inside staged a massacre; it was organized by the same people along with the provocation of the crowd. The same people who gave orders to the militia detachment with red armbands, and possibly the entire militia as a whole.

[Apollo]

Quote: ivnti

It is necessary to wipe Ukraine off the face of the earth as soon as possible!

и -!

[KazaK Bo]

Now the separation of the Southeast is no longer even a matter of probability, but a matter of time.

NATO bombed Serbia after showing two dozen and hastily dressed Albanian sadists.

Everything became clear and clear after the statement of the spokesman of our Supreme that there was no official Kiev (!!!). In plain language, translated from diplomatic, it means only one thing - THE BANDERLOGUE'S AUTHORITY IS ANNOUNCED CRIMINAL AND DELIVERED OUTSIDE THE LAW, AND MEANS THE RESPONSIBLE ACTION IS CONSEQUENT!
I am 100% sure that preparations for retaliatory measures to compel banlerlogs to sanity are proceeding in the most active way .... We were waiting for the results of the referenda of May 11 to know more or less exactly the mood of the entire region and have more legitimate rights to support the people of SEI. .. but the situation requires more urgent intervention, but not for support, but to protect the defenseless from the punishers of Kiev and Western mercenaries!

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Humpty

Banderlog will have to die

and maydanutykh from central and south-eastern Ukraine would be sent together with Bandera.

[Siberian]

TOTALLY AGREE TO THE ARTICLE.

[222222]

sibiriak SU Today, 08:33 ↑
"I FULLY AGREE WITH THE ARTICLE." .. from the Internet chronology on May 2:
.. "well equipped and trained units of the Right Sector. These units were deployed at recreation centers in Karolino Bugaz and on the Sukhoi estuary.
The day before yesterday (29/04/14), Parubiy came to Odessa, one of the leaders of the Pravosek, to discuss plans for a bloody massacre with the city leaders, security officials and the Pravosek. Parubiy brought 50 armor vests to Odessa for pravoseks (5, as the military call this model). Ask yourself why it was necessary to bring these armor vests, if the procession of the so-called "ultras" was supposed to be peaceful.
ALL TALKS ABOUT THAT THIS WAS A COLLISION OF THE ULTRA WITH ANTI-MAYDANIAN FALSE! THIS WAS A PLANNED OPERATION OF THE RIGHT SECTOR WEAPONED WITH FIRE WEAPONS WITH PEACE CITIZENS OF ODESSA!
Chronology of yesterday at the Kulikovo field ... "
http://vk.com/wall4538918_1155

[Horde]

Now I answer the question. Why Putin did not send troops. What for? In Donbass and Lugansk the situation is stable.

there’s no bazaar, they burned the Russians in ODESSA now the situation is stable and Putin can not send troops, they will burn DONETSK or LUGANS the situation will become STABLE too, you can not send troops, the logic of the fanatic ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

maybe it’s not necessary to incite so frankly ?!

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

maybe it’s not necessary to incite so frankly ?!

after yesterday it’s necessary to beat the NABAT, and you dude think everything, no matter how the dog is nausalized?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

and you dude still think, as if the dog weren’t bitten?

I don’t remember that we would graze sheep together, so take the trouble not to poke.
I have one feature, as soon as I get to a fight, I can’t stop, so I always try to pull it all the way, but it’s one thing when the balance is only your destiny and it’s completely different when the fate of the country is, and you need to think a hundred times what is more important

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I’m trying to delay it, but it’s one thing when only your destiny is on the scales and when the destiny of the country is completely different, and you need to think a hundred times what is more important

just don’t fall asleep along the way, when you will think a hundred times, how much time do you need to think? everything is tied to Putin by the year 20 - is it enough for you?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, since such a booze has gone.
why are you cursing yourself here ?!
forward to help Odessa residents, or at worst write an appeal to the prosecutor’s office as I suggested on the next branch or only here is brave, and where we need to show our position we are in the bushes

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

forward to help Odessa residents, or at worst write an appeal to the prosecutor’s office as I suggested on the next branch or only here is brave, and where we need to show our position we are in the bushes

here is the idea that THE PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH-EAST EAST are guilty that everyone doesn’t go out to fight, so Putin doesn’t answer, it’s a STRONG INFORMATION STROKE. You don’t get any help until you get out, so when they kill one HUNDRED THOUSAND then Putin will think with whether it is worthwhile to send troops, or at least to throw some Kalash-THIS IS A PEOPLE'S POSITION ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

THIS IS A PEOPLE'S POSITION ...

you'd better be silent like Putin

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

you'd better be silent like Putin

dried up already? not much you can ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and you suggest me to get on all fours and start barking?
By the way I would like to know all the same, but who do you work with?

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

do you suggest me to get on all fours and start barking?
By the way I would like to know all the same, but who do you work with?

Chancellery of Messrs. GEORGE VICTORIAL

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

in the elderberry garden ...
except snot and rudeness, not a word in the case

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

in the elderberry garden ...
except snot and rudeness, not a word in the case

Well, what else can you say?

[Botanologist]

Quote: Horde

Well, what else can you say?

Horde, calm down. If you think it’s time to send troops, justify and give predictions. And hysteria is a simple matter, but not very fruitful.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Horde

Well, what else can you say?

Horde, calm down. If you think it’s time to send troops, justify and give predictions. And hysteria is a simple matter, but not very fruitful.

[AleksUkr]

Quote: Horde

not much you can ...

You poke something for everyone. You break a poke. Lay out your abilities and capabilities. Something your remarks remind .... Although they are not yours.

[222222]

Horde (8) SU Today, 12:50
... see the situation ..
1. "On May 1 Vesti" The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov was removed from the leadership of the "special operation" in the east of the country, having appointed in his place the head of the SBU Valentin Nalyvaichenko, who, after consultation with the leader of the "Right Sector" Dmitry Yarosh, appointed an assault on the checkpoints on May 2, said source in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. "
On May 2.1, at 21:00 Kiev time (05/01/14 02:00 PM Washington), the closed hearing of the US Armed Forces in Europe - he is also NATO Allied Forces in Europe Admiral Bradlock in the US Senate Armed Forces Committee on the topic “The Ukrainian Crisis and Russia” ( Ukrainian Crisis and Russia) .. There is NOTHING in the media on the speech (DEMOCRACY and American freedom of information)
the Ukrainian crisis and RUSSIA are already connected .. There are no other non-USs, EUs ... there are no people of the southeast .. Earlier, he was supposed to perform in April as planned, but rescheduled .. and with a new wave .. Maybe it's a shit on .. cm point 3
3. at 4 on May 30, the operation began .. ”Yesterday at 2 in the morning the active phase of the anti-terrorist operation began in the area of ​​Slavyansk-Kramatorsk .. (Avakov)
... May 2, Odessa
At 14.00 on Cathedral Square, a gathering of the Right Sector, numbering 2000, was scheduled. At 14.30 they began their march through the city with the slogans "Death to the enemies!" At 19.30 information was received that the right sector, numbering 2000 armed men, was heading for the Kulikovo field. Only by 23.00 the police, with the help of 2 police vehicles, managed to bring in from the Kulikovo field and the building about 50 people beaten and wounded Anti-Maidan supporters .. "
4.Deep thought of the US State Department on the topic: "counteraction to Russian intervention and ... They give it out as a fait accompli .. and not only but also COUNTERACTION and PROTECTION ,,
On May 6, the US Senate Foreign Relations Commission heard a hearing on the topic “Ukraine - Countering Russian Intervention and Supporting a Democratic State” (Yankees see “Russian intervention in Ukraine” as a fait accompli ?? ?? The main speaker is the same Nuland. The one who oversaw all of this from the US .. and treated them to pies on the Maidan ..
Did you get it ???

[Outside]

Here. And everyone is screaming, why doesn’t Putin send troops? That is why it does not introduce that Nuland had nothing to report. They provoke Russia to proclaim it a universal enemy and begin to support democracy in full, with other goodies instead of cookies.
And the excess weapons are amazed with plenty, and the more Russians soak each other, the better ...

[svd-xnumx]

and the money that Ukraine should give back will not be necessary - who is paying the debt to the aggressor, they are expecting compensation from the aggressor and a new Marshal’s Plan to restore the economy according to European standards for joining the EU.

[I am proud of Russia]

Vanko (1) SU Yesterday, 15:01 PM ↑
Here. And everyone is screaming, why doesn’t Putin send troops? That is why it does not introduce that Nuland had nothing to report. They provoke Russia to proclaim it a universal enemy and begin to support democracy in full, with other goodies instead of cookies.
And the excess weapons are amazed with plenty, and the more Russians soak each other, the better ...

Exactly! Surely many people think that we will now introduce our troops and everything will be fine. Misconception. It’s not a fact that the Americans will also not openly send troops there, and even Poles and Romanians who will protect their citizens in Ukraine. And this is already the 3rd World War. Then Ukraine will be completely and completely lost. And then in the Russian troops there are also living people, not robots. They are sons, brothers, husbands, fathers. Therefore, the introduction of troops of the Russian Federation is an extreme measure. Just do not want it to come. I need another plan to smoke the junta from the lair and I think it will definitely be.

[Containers]

Do not confuse sour with soft. Very so cleverly you "go out to fight" and "hundred thousand will kill you" mixed in a heap.

[avia1991]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

maybe it’s not necessary to incite so frankly ?!

No need to paint white and fluffy where they are not! WHERE is our President on vacation? Why hasn't he appeared NEVER since the beginning of the punitive operation - what is he hiding from? From whom?! "Ay, you got me all - give me a rest !?" And do not try to dismiss the fact that the President has a job above the roof: on ordinary days he flickers in the frame constantly. What kind of secrecy has it suddenly appeared that he slips a press stand to express his opinion at a crucial moment?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: avia1991

WHERE is our President on vacation? Why didn’t light up from the beginning of the punitive operation NEVER - what is hiding from?

Once again, what should he run like kirkors and yell for the whole world ?!

[Horde]

Quote: avia1991

No need to paint white and fluffy where they are not! WHERE is our President on vacation? Why hasn't he appeared NEVER since the beginning of the punitive operation - what is he hiding from? From whom?! "Ay, you got me all - give me a rest !?" And do not try to dismiss the fact that the President has a job above the roof: on ordinary days he flickers in the frame constantly. What kind of secrecy has it suddenly appeared that he slips a press stand to express his opinion at a crucial moment?

do you understand where the people are? and where is Putin? here the war is small, people are killed, little things in life, and Putin’s affairs are gas, pipes, debts, it’s impossible to take care ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

gas, pipes, debts

you are right not to consider, including those that you could spoil in nete

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

You are right not to count, including those that you could spoil in nete

it’s you who’s shitting against your people when you justify the inaction of the authorities, and I have always been and will be against Putin the usurper and the destroyer of the Russian people, now it’s already visible to everyone who he really is ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

and I have always been and will be against Putin the usurper and the destroyer of the Russian people, now it’s already visible to everyone who he really is ...

Well, you are a guardian for the Russian people, do not tell me why you are not in Little Russia yet?

[ODIN ASS]

and there they can snatch the nostrils)))

[ODIN ASS]

Russian or Slavic ??? ... if we are talking about Russians, then there are only a few of them, and if they are about the second, then since the Slavs themselves are not destroying one Putin will not pull)))

[sleepy]

Quote: ODIN ASS
"Russian or Slavic ??? ... If we are talking about the Russians, then there are only a few of them, and if about the second, then since the Slavs are destroying themselves ...".

F.M.Dostoevsky: “One very special word about the Slavs ...”

“I want to say one very special word about the Slavs, which I have long wanted to say. Russia will never have, and never has had, haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees to recognize them liberated! And do not mind me
do not dispute, do not shout at me that I am exaggerating and that
I am a hater of the Slavs! ..
... They will certainly begin with the fact that inside themselves, if not directly out loud, they will declare to themselves and convince themselves that they are not obliged to Russia with the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they could hardly escape from the power of Russia during the conclusion of the peace by the intervention of a European concert if Europe didn’t intervene, Russia, having taken them away from the Turks, would have swallowed them at once, “having in mind the expansion of borders and the foundation of the great All-Slavic empire in the enslavement of the Slavs by a greedy, cunning and barbaric Great Russian tribe”.
For a long time, oh, for a long time they will not be able to recognize the disinterestedness of Russia and the great, holy, unprecedented in the world raising its banner of the greatest idea, of those ideas that a person lives and without which humanity, if these ideas cease to live in it, becomes stiff cripples and dies in ulcers and in impotence ...

...It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to express
and blow the whole world that they are educated, capable tribes
to the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, a gloomy northern colossus, not even of pure Slavic blood, a persecutor and hater of European civilization ...".
F.M. Dostoevsky
PSS in 30 volumes, PUBLICISM AND LETTERS. VOLUME XVIII-XXX, DIARY OF THE WRITER, November 1877, Volume 26, Chapter II, THE MOST LAKEIC CASE WHICH ONLY MAY BE, paragraph III.
http://maxic.sxnarod.com/iz-dnevnika-f-m-dostoevskogo.html

[Containers]

Pulling it out of context, and at the same time changing it (a little bit, imperceptibly, huh) is not a very smart lesson. Dostoevsky must be read carefully and in its entirety.

[Horst78]

Quote: Horde

everyone can already see who he really is

I can see it, but you need an ophthalmologist

[I am proud of Russia]

Horst78 (1) RU Yesterday, 16:37 ↑
Quote: Horde
everyone can already see who he really is

I can see it, but you need an ophthalmologist


An optometrist will not help. It all comes from the head. Another doctor is doing this. No matter how one relates to his president, he does not honor him to be rude to call him. At least for now it is not visible who could replace him. First of all, he is responsible for his country and his people, and the distinguishing feature of the great commanders (the story is not me) is to be a subtle and sensitive strategist, and not to slash his sword right and left.

[AndreyS]

Quote: Horde

it is you who are the ones who shit against your people when you justify inaction by the authorities

What do you mean???!
Dear you think about what (roughly speaking) you are carrying! The troops do not need to enter a big mind! And what's next?! You are not just asked here to make an objective assessment of the entry of troops into Ukraine! Because by entering them there it will be necessary to reach the western borders of Ukraine, otherwise it will be a breeding ground for bandits (he’s already organized), with a very good background (they cleaned up the guys !!!! to all regions of Russia with terrorist acts! Are you ready that tomorrow your house will come and blow you up. Volgograd is not enough for you? !!!!!! And by the way, anticipating your objection, let me remind you that the FSB is not so huge that it would track millions of Bendera and law enforcement officers. Analyze the situation, and then write the slogans with a bang and write your tantrums !!!!!

[avia1991]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

what could you spoil in nete

You can wave your saber as much as you like, protecting the President. Moreover, quite stupidly, because .. well, I, for example, realize the complexity of his work, and remotely imagine how busy he is - I don't need to prove it! But despite the fact that such busyness is ALWAYS present, usually he has time to "light up" on the screen every day - and not once! And at such a RIGHT IMPORTANT, I would say, moment, from the minute the assault began, there was NOT ANY APPEARANCE IN ANY KIND, except for Peskov's vague comments through a "gurgling" telephone connection.
So let's judge a man according to his affairs! Give me at least one proof of His actions in THESE DAYS! CAN you? But the situation is far from ordinary!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: avia1991

So let's judge a man according to his affairs! Give me at least one proof of His actions in THESE DAYS! CAN you? But the situation is far from ordinary!

and let’s do it on business, Crimea is the same thing.
and as for the evidence, can you PROVE THE BACK?!

[avia1991]

And no one disputes his merits in
Crimean issue. Just let’s remember WHAT IT REQUIRED FROM HIM to solve this issue? .. Correct: accept the request of the Crimean population expressed by the LEGITIMATE Crimean leadership! Let's be honest: Crimeans themselves have provided themselves almost on a silver platter. And the external environment was not threatening either. And now WILL is really required! The manifestation of which the majority of the population hopes - including myself! But so far, nothing has been seen or heard.
And you did not answer my question. Apparently, there is simply nothing ..

[ODIN ASS]

Crimeans themselves provided themselves practically on a silver platter. nunu .....)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Have you seen them "leaders" of Crimea ???))) what a saucer ??? this is sheep)) ))

[avia1991]

I recommend that you begin to learn courtesy: YOU, sir, I’m not a matchmaker or brother, and based on the style of your presentation, you will never become one - so please keep yourself within the bounds!
As for the leadership of Crimea: not you, again, elected him, not you, dear, and judge them. Their popular support is stronger than that of our President, and It would not be worth it to insult Crimeans with their statements.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: avia1991

That's right: accept the request of the Crimean population expressed by the LEGITIMATE Crimean leadership! Let's be honest: Crimeans themselves have provided themselves almost on a silver platter

You think so?

[avia1991]

Maybe you have more information? I think so, and not only me. The issues of organizing the safe conduct of a referendum, etc., are technical details. The expression of will was confirmed - and only then was it said "yes", the Kremlin press service confirms this. Before that, there were many "thoughts" and consultations - but it all boiled down to one real action: accept the request and satisfy it. No - in comparison - risk. And today it is necessary to oppose not only foreign opinion - but, first of all, its own economic lobby, which "does not shine" to have sanctions in relation to its capital! This is where a really STRONG POLITICAL WILL is needed! The people will only scratch themselves from these sanctions - they have never really fattened themselves. Has it ever occurred to you to compare the numbers? The 45 millionth Ukraine consumes 50 billion cubic meters of gas per year for its own needs .. And Russia! with 145 million - only 63! And there are enough such indicators.
Somehow
PS By the way: AND YOU DO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION .. NOTHING? Your desire to answer a question with a question speaks of leaving for a deaf defense. No arguments left? Then let's just finish. It was nice to talk

[Mexican]

[quote = avia1991] Did it ever occur to you to compare the numbers? The 45 millionth Ukraine consumes 50 billion cubic meters of gas per year for its own needs .. And Russia! with 145 million - only 63! And there are enough such indicators
Congratulations to you, citizen of Sovramshi!

According to the results of 2012, gas production in Russia amounted to 655,01 billion cubic meters. m., which is 2,3% below the level of 2011; while in December, production amounted to 65,76 billion cubic meters.
Domestic gas consumption in Russia in 2012 decreased to 459,754 billion cubic meters. m (-2%), of this volume in December accounted for 55,48 billion cubic meters. m (+ 0,4%).
Source: Oilcapital.ru http://www.oilcapital.ru/industry/192410.html

In Ukraine: "Ukraine in 2012 reduced gas consumption by 7,6% - to 54,7 billion cubic meters." This is stated in a message on the website of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry.
Source: RBC Ukraine http://www.rbc.ua/rus/top/show/ukraina-snizila-potreblenie-gaza-v-2012-g-na-7-6-
--do-54-7-mlrd-24012013182600
What do we have?
Russia: 460 billion / 145 million = 3172 m3 per person / 1 year
Ukraine 55 billion / 45 million = 1222 m3 per person / 1 year

I think enough. The rest of your arguments, probably from the same speckled deck.

[Mexican]

[quote = avia1991] Did it ever occur to you to compare the numbers? The 45 millionth Ukraine consumes 50 billion cubic meters of gas per year for its own needs .. And Russia! with 145 million - only 63! And there are enough such indicators
Congratulations to you, citizen of Sovramshi!

According to the results of 2012, gas production in Russia amounted to 655,01 billion cubic meters. m., which is 2,3% below the level of 2011; while in December, production amounted to 65,76 billion cubic meters.
Domestic gas consumption in Russia in 2012 decreased to 459,754 billion cubic meters. m (-2%), of this volume in December accounted for 55,48 billion cubic meters. m (+ 0,4%).
Source: Oilcapital.ru http://www.oilcapital.ru/industry/192410.html

In Ukraine: "Ukraine in 2012 reduced gas consumption by 7,6% - to 54,7 billion cubic meters." This is stated in a message on the website of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry.
Source: RBC Ukraine http://www.rbc.ua/rus/top/show/ukraina-snizila-potreblenie-gaza-v-2012-g-na-7-6-
--do-54-7-mlrd-24012013182600
What do we have?
Russia: 460 billion / 145 million = 3172 m3 per person / 1 year
Ukraine 55 billion / 45 million = 1222 m3 per person / 1 year

I think enough. The rest of your arguments, probably from the same speckled deck.

[avia1991]

Specially stopped by and checked. The data that they gave me contains a clear error, where it got into - it is not clear, but - I voiced .. in this connection, I admit my guilt and apologize for the "misinformation". This does not change the essence of the matter much, since the gas lobby, in any case, does not want to lose money on restricting supplies to the West - I believe that this moment is unlikely to be disputed by anyone.
Once again I was convinced of the correctness of the old statement: trust - but verify! Sorry
But about "everyone else" .. So, apart from the minuses, I did not hear a clear answer to the question, because of which the whole fuss started. "Minus" can be reasoned, but if there are no arguments, they simply minus from impotence. IMHO.

[serg2.72]

Yes, you wrote everything correctly, no statistics are required. Visit the place where this gas is produced and around, go to the east. And it will turn out to be gas in many places, especially in the district centers of villages, until now, although the main pipes to the west are rods. And also see how many enterprises in Russia use gas and how much / And it turns out that it is the population of this gas in Russia that has less than the Ukrainians. Therefore, if you wish, it is quite possible to arrange gas sales in Russia, and our people will pay for it, unlike Ukraine and the Transcaucasus !!!

[avia1991]

Actually, that's what I meant, thanks. It is more profitable to export gas, and not only from a political point of view. And to the Russian villages .. probably "atomic" electric stoves will appear faster

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mexican

The rest of your arguments, probably from the same stained deck

Quote: avia1991

Once again I was convinced of the loyalty of the old statement: trust - but verify!

I won’t entertain with numbers, I’m not an accountant. Just an everyday example: my neighbor in the country was resting with his wife’s relatives in Ukraine (this was before the stormy Kiev events; and he noticed that the owners did not turn off the gas stove (that is, the gas burns around the clock When he asked the question: "why"? - he received the answer that it was troublesome to "kindle" the gas stove every time, and therefore: "let it burn; the gas is cheap." Here's just a fact of life without any "org" and "watered "-vyvodov. Just let me" end ": gas, of course, Russian-not "'re coming out-shale."

[kombat58]

I apologize.
I am Sevastopol. And I want to tell you that the saying "big is seen at a distance" is not always right. In this case, I am not judging by publications in the press.
It's just that in some cases a private must know his maneuver, and unfortunately for a private - EVERYTHING! But only the Commander-in-Chief needs to know the concept of the operation and the course of its implementation. And after the Crimean campaign, as a former battalion commander, I will allow myself an unprecedented audacity to say "Everything is going according to plan." And it is precisely the control over the execution of the GDP plan that is now BUSY! Not everything you know can be left to chance.

[sleepy]

Quote: avia1991
"And no one disputes his merits in the Crimean issue.
Just let’s remember WHAT IT REQUIRED FROM IT
to resolve this issue? .. Correct: accept the request of the Crimean population expressed by the LEGITIMATE Crimean leadership! Let's be honest: Crimeans themselves have provided themselves almost on a silver platter.
And the external environment was not threatening either. "

Despite the apparent simplicity of the decision by V. Putin, the reaction of the State Department was close to hysterical.
Americans themselves are laughing at US sanctions.
It turns out that something went wrong according to the plans of the State Department.

Quote: avia1991
"And now the WILL is really required! The majority of the population hopes to manifest it - including me!
But so far nothing is seen or heard. "

The situation is more complicated, wait and see.
In chess, this is called an "intermediate move" in order to
so that the enemy himself drove himself into the zungzwang.

An intermediate move is a chess move, an unobvious move, intermediate and quiet moves, counterattacks, non-standard tactical defense techniques, not foreseen in the basic idea of ​​a forced variant or combination.
An intermediate move can: disrupt the preliminary calculations, change the planned course of events on the chessboard.

Zugzwang (German: Zugzwang “forced to move”; ☉) -
chess position in which any player’s move leads
to the deterioration of his position.

[avia1991]

Quote: sleepy

The situation is more complicated, wait and see.

The situation is more complicated, no one argues. It’s just painful to see people die there !!! How ub.lyud.ki-pravoseki triumph: they all get away with it! .. Evil takes from impotence ..

[ODIN ASS]

here’s another ... yes, I haven’t brought troops yet ... and thank God !!!))) .. that means there is no reason yet .. and let it not be better !!!!!

[have1200]

Quote: Horde

Quote: avia1991

No need to paint white and fluffy where they are not! WHERE is our President on vacation? Why hasn't he appeared NEVER since the beginning of the punitive operation - what is he hiding from? From whom?! "Ay, you got me all - give me a rest !?" And do not try to dismiss the fact that the President has a job above the roof: on ordinary days he flickers in the frame constantly. What kind of secrecy has it suddenly appeared that he slips a press stand to express his opinion at a crucial moment?

do you understand where the people are? and where is Putin? here the war is small, people are killed, little things in life, and Putin’s affairs are gas, pipes, debts, it’s impossible to take care ...

In fact, Crimea, too, was chopped off without a bazaar. No one said anything. Putin seems to never even come out of the box. Over a month more than 2 million people moved to us, and no one even farted. I, too, am not a supporter of Putin’s policy on many issues, but I still think that his (Putin's) activities should be approached more differentially. He does a lot of bad stuff. Again from our point of view. But there is real merit. The army comes to life. They put the production of the Yak-242. Shipyards began to build something. They cut the Crimea again - please pay attention - before that, they just handed out. Well, we do not discount that the mass of corrupt officials - such as Mendel and his advisers Aslambek Dudayev and Arkash Dvorkovich - are also not sickly pulling a blanket over themselves.
Stalin, when he came to power, really began to steer the country by the end of the 30s. So far, he has corroded the entire shushara. I do not draw analogies. But suddenly this is the same topic - only on a different turn of history? I also want to declare my grievances. Horde - let's wait for the intermission. Suddenly, at the end of the play, everything will become clear, and you, to your shame, will need to take your words back? the more so because the horses at the crossing do not change.

[ODIN ASS]

And when did the Tsar in Russia report to anyone? .. say so and so, they say excuse me, I forgot to ask everyone what I should do and what and most importantly when I express my opinion for everyone)))

[Thompson]

Not tired of being guilty everywhere?
Do not do good, so as not to know evil! We are already BEGINNING TO BE SATURATED - all of Eastern Europe, the former republics of the USSR, and now also the "fraternal" Ukrainian ...
He deliberately took in quotation marks and with a small letter, today they are just that — some scum, other ostriches

[Nahum]

Nobody is going to lay the hands of Russian guys for the freedom of those whose "house is on the edge". Until Russia sees a massive popular protest in the Southeast, a general strike against the Junta, nothing will happen. Yes, we will help, but for those who want to help themselves! Raise your assholes soon, brothers-Slavs!

[AleksUkr]

Quote: Horde

-logic of a fanatic ...

Do you mean that? A smart politician thinks, evaluates, makes decisions and acts. For example, Crimea. It supported more than 80% - it began to act. And Yu-V is estimated to be no more than 10%. Moreover, activity is very low. If you pretend to have problems. So your logic is pushing for suicide. You need to think, think ...
In the meantime, scumbags are already turning to us ...

"Right Sector" - to the peoples of Russia: your fate is being decided in Ukraine!

[dFG]

until there really are popular uprisings, nothing needs to be bombed .. in the millionth Odessa there was no people to repulse 3-5 thousand zapadentsev ?? and what is it normal ??? and it is necessary for the Russian Federation so that later they shoot in the very back that they are sitting at home today and the name is Russian troops ?? don't think

[Horde]

Quote: dfg

until there really are popular uprisings, nothing needs to be bombed .. in the millionth Odessa there was no people to repulse 3-5 thousand zapadentsev ?? and

and you yourself would go against the armed fighters? WITH WEAPONS WITH BOTTLES WITH GASOLINE, WITH STICKS? it is not necessary to reproach Odessaites, it is necessary to help them to ORGANIZE and ARM that is what they expect from Putin, but he DOES NOT DO HORSE, is silent what is silent?

[maxcor1974]

What to arm? Sticks, gas, bottles? Vegetables sit at home and protest in front of the TV. What do you think if the number of protesters took to the streets in Odessa as they would not have received support in Sevastopol? Or would Natsik try to attack them?
You offer to help them with weapons, but because of the small number of protesters and their lack of organization, it is generally unclear to whom to help there. In Donetsk and Lugansk, resistance management is organized and it is possible that they will get help (downed helicopters suggest this idea), we are waiting for a referendum from them, and then a decision will be made ...
To send troops into the region without accurate information about the loyalty of the population is a chance to run into a guerrilla war in their rear and completely rally against themselves a coalition of Euro-Americans, ready to take active actions (at the moment, recall, there is no agreement in the "comrades").
Therefore, there is no need to "drive" against our leadership, despite the terrible tragedy in Odessa, it did not succumb to provocation and I believe that it keeps the situation under control. And you do not need to kick yourself in the chest with a heel, as if you alone are worried about the dead and blame others for the inaction. I think Putin has no desire to become the second Nicholas 1, because of whose policy Russia lost the Crimean War.

[Horde]

Quote: maxcor1974

What do you think if the number of protesters took to the streets in Odessa as they would not have received support in Sevastopol? Or would Natsik try to attack them?

what are you chasing? in SEVASTOPOL they didn’t shoot civilians, as in ODESSA, therefore everyone was on the streets ...

[maxcor1974]

They didn’t shoot, because they didn’t allow them to fire weapons, the Tatars tried to rock themselves, but when tens of thousands came out against them, they quickly ran away and did not protrude anymore, they realized that such a crowd would trample them underfoot.
And in Odessa, most of the banderlogs were armed with sticks and Molotov cocktails, units had traumatism. Supporters of federalization have a problem with sticks, bottles and cobblestones? Or do you think that by sending a batch of machine guns to help you increase the number of opponents of the junta on the streets?

[Horde]

Quote: maxcor1974

Supporters of federalization have a problem with sticks, bottles, and cobblestones? Or do you think that by sending a batch of machine guns to help you increase the number of opponents of the junta on the streets?

Russian ODESSES are ordinary people -civilians, they were attacked by Militants and Mercenaries. PROFESSIONAL POWDERS who were trained and received a lot of money, i.e. united and organized, Putin needs to create organizations capable of rebuffing the militants, for this it is necessary to introduce special forces and create a military structure, but he does nothing, therefore death, therefore pogroms ...

[Sunflower]

when the Nazis attacked the civilian population of our country, by the way, well-trained partisans appeared and waged a disruptive war. Is there really no smart head in Ukraine to do anything, and not wait for the Russians to do everything for them, then they, Russian, on occasion do not call the invaders ... IMHO

[Olga Kemerovo]

Today I saw a video message of the Crimean self-defense units. They say guys we are going to you. What do you think, in the units will be only Crimeans?

[ODIN ASS]

what is this Zaporizhzhya’s asshole? 7 where will they go ??

[ODIN ASS]

people with training do not shoot on roofs from PM-s, barely moving because of the sagging belly.

[Outside]

Quote: Horde

Russian ODESSES are ordinary people -civilians, they were attacked by Militants and Mercenaries. PROFESSIONAL POWDERS who were trained and received a lot of money, i.e. united and organized, Putin needs to create organizations capable of rebuffing the militants, for this it is necessary to introduce special forces

Good troll, fat What does Putin have to do with it? Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians. Where is Yanukovych? He is the president of Ukraine, an independent state, among other things. Putin is the president of another state, if that. He is obliged to act primarily in the interests of Russia, and secondly in the interests of the Allies. Ukraine is not Russia yet and not at all an ally. What questions?

[I am proud of Russia]

Vanko (1) SU Yesterday, 15:17 PM ↑
Good troll, fat laughing at what does Putin have to do with it? Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians. Where is Yanukovych? He is the president of Ukraine, an independent state, among other things. Putin is the president of another state, if that. He is obliged to act primarily in the interests of Russia, and secondly in the interests of the Allies. Ukraine is not Russia yet and not at all an ally. What questions?

100 points!

[Russian jacket]

You forget that Ukraine is not our ulus ... Crimea is a completely different matter. In Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, the population has weapons, which prevents them from having them in Odessa. And as for the president, it’s right that he is silent and thus increases the hysteria of the general people. We silently need to wait until not 20% will welcome the entry of troops, but all 90. Then time. And then in the days of the Union, we broke a lot of firewood on emotions ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

in SEVASTOPOL they didn’t shoot civilians, as in ODESSA, that's why everyone was on the streets

but let's not confuse cause and effect, maybe because we didn’t shoot, because EVERYONE got up there

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

let's not confuse causes and effects, maybe because they didn’t shoot, because EVERYONE got up there

it’s in your head a vinaigrette, TEN WEAPONED Militants will disperse a THOUSAND CROWD of unarmed people ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

TEN WEAPONED MILITANTS TO DISCONNECT A THOUSAND CROWD OF UNAIRED PEOPLE ...

the crowd is yes, but if this crowd has leaders, then no, and for the future try not to be rude, it's me about the salad

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the crowd is yes, but if this crowd has leaders, then no, and for the future try not to be rude, it's me about the salad

you already recognized the lack of leaders, already progress, can you further recognize the lack of weapons against the armed? and then it remains to admit that your chase against ODESSITS is just shit?
Yes, about the salad, I didn’t say such people as you know EVERYTHING and lie, of course, TOTALLY CONSCIOUSLY, most importantly, whatever IDOL was touched, all hope is here ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

you already recognized

Once again, for those who are not at all understanding, you will poke your friends.

Quote: Horde

and then it remains to admit that your drive against ODESSITS is just shit?

your rudeness is tired

[Horst78]

Quote: Horde

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the crowd is yes, but if this crowd has leaders, then no, and for the future try not to be rude, it's me about the salad

you already recognized the lack of leaders, already progress, can you further recognize the lack of weapons against the armed? and then it remains to admit that your chase against ODESSITS is just shit?
Yes, about the salad, I didn’t say such people as you know EVERYTHING and lie, of course, TOTALLY CONSCIOUSLY, most importantly, whatever IDOL was touched, all hope is here ...

Have a psychiatrist been observed? How can your nonsense be understood?

[Corsair]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but let's not confuse cause and effect, maybe because we didn’t shoot, because EVERYONE got up there

And you shouldn't "discount" MAKHONKY SUCH factor of the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I do not argue, but the parable of frogs in a jar of sour cream comes to mind

[Mexican]

In Crimea, sour cream, while in the south-east is still the reverse, there is no oil yet, unfortunately.

[Anna Kirichuk]

that's it, if they had stood in the same SE hundreds of thousands, then they would have been afraid to send an army to them ... Ieh ... citizens, citizens, SAMO will not resolve, everyone must decide what he wants!

[Anna Kirichuk]

that's it, if they had stood in the same SE hundreds of thousands, then they would have been afraid to send an army to them ... Ieh ... citizens, citizens, SAMO will not resolve, everyone must decide what he wants!

[AndreyS]

Quote: Horde

what are you chasing? in SEVASTOPOL they didn’t shoot civilians, as in ODESSA, therefore everyone was on the streets ...

I advise you to read the article of a militia from Sevastopol on this site, as they did not shoot at civilians! And I also remind you of the events in Simferopol, when the people with the Majlis grabbed (they didn’t shoot the same there ... ????).

[Thompson]

Who is stopping you from shooting them?

[Olga Kemerovo]

Back in February, Yakov Kedmi (google, if interested, the Israeli security official-analyst) began to say that Russia would send troops, that it would be forced. Crimea left competently, and the leadership of this departure was noticeable. But Crimea wanted to go to Russia. And what does Odessa want? It is a pity for people, but thoughtless, on the emotions, the introduction of troops will only aggravate the situation. Enough of us Afghanistan. I think Putin is silent for a reason. He was silent before the Crimea

[MEDVED]

I AGREE FOR ALL 100%! Why should our army rake porridge brewed by someone. Ukraine itself cannot understand what it wants. It so happened that the Russians were divided. But this is not a reason to introduce Russian troops to all countries where Russian is oppressed. Russia will run out of steam, and the Russians will come to an end.

[Lukich]

Quote: Horde

but he DOES NOT HERE DO NOT, is silent what is silent?

since the tongue does not grind in vain, then it works

Quote: Horde

ARMED Militants? WITH WEAPONS WITH BOTTLES WITH GASOLINE, WITH STICKS?

and in Odessa gasoline ran out? few sticks? or GDP should also bring a stick? or should he go home and lift "my hut on the edge" from the sofas?

Quote: Horde

and you yourself would go against the armed fighters?

Quote: Horde

and you yourself would go against the armed fighters?

and who prevents them from arming themselves? or in Odessa there aren’t a couple of thousand hunters with guns? It's time for us to take on the matter !!!!

[Horde]

Quote: Lukich

and who prevents them from arming themselves? or in Odessa there aren’t a couple of thousand hunters with guns? It's time for us to take on the matter !!!!

in general, people should also go to work and earn money for families, that’s why MASS PERFORMANCE in cities takes place on Saturday and Sunday, while the militants went through PREPARATION, LEARNED in military affairs, got BIG MONEY so that you don’t have to think how to keep family.
I think you also know everything, only knowingly spreading misinformation, thereby covering Putin’s inaction and unwillingness to stand up for the Russian people ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

in general, people should also go to work and earn money for families

sometimes you have to sacrifice something, if the enemy at the gate you also say we will fight only on weekends, how should I feed my family ?!

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

sometimes you have to sacrifice something

residents of Odessa will sacrifice something? These are traders and jokers!

This is in Dagestan ... Makhachkala tramps (if you don’t know who they are - here is the link http://kvnbest.ru/command/mahachkalinskie-brodyagi) defended their republic.

[maxcor1974]

You either do not understand the whole complexity of the situation in Ukraine, or you deliberately act as a provocateur. It is impossible to make happy against the will. And only a few hundred picketers near the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Odessa today do not give information to our government about the desire of the majority of the population of the Odessa region to send our troops. And you will not succeed in justifying the passivity of the population with fear. After all, people in Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk are no less scared, but their men are on the barricades, and their women provide their rear, and the junta can do nothing with them. And they probably get help (I hope you understand that they did not shoot down helicopters from a slingshot).
So, "Putin's inaction and unwillingness to stand up for the Russian people ...", in fact, turns out to be his unwillingness to involve Russia in a major war in a situation where the majority of the population of southern Ukraine does not ask for this help.

[kare]

maxcor1974 SU Today, 11: 34 ↑ New

You either do not understand the whole complexity of the situation in Ukraine, or you deliberately act as a provocateur. It is impossible to make happy against the will. And only a few hundred picketers near the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Odessa today do not give information to our government about the desire of the majority of the population of the Odessa region to send our troops. And you will not succeed in justifying the passivity of the population with fear. After all, people in Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk are no less scared, but their men are on the barricades, and their women provide their rear, and the junta can do nothing with them. And they probably get help (I hope you understand that they did not shoot down helicopters from a slingshot).
So, "Putin's inaction and unwillingness to stand up for the Russian people ...", in fact, turns out to be his unwillingness to involve Russia in a major war in a situation where the majority of the population of southern Ukraine does not ask for this help.

I fully subscribe to this point of view.
I’ll add that it’s not worth introducing regular troops at all
Only contractors. Soberly think, what can a young soldier, serving for several months in the Armed Forces? Correct, be cannon fodder, while he is still gaining combat experience, youth must be preserved
Underestimate the enemy, no matter how stupid he is
The best option without noise and stampede is to stuff the place with volunteers
With good documents, who are not able to build barricades out of tires, but really multiply PSEs by zero, but mercenaries for one. With a good stable psyche, whatever the question is. " BURNING OR NOT BURNING"
Well, and accordingly, the means for multiplying on 0
And of course, tea, accordion, and our hospitality! (Especially for western mercenaries)

[AleksUkr]

Quote: maxcor1974

So, "Putin's inaction and unwillingness to stand up for the Russian people ...", in fact, turns out to be his unwillingness to involve Russia in a major war in a situation where the majority of the population of southern Ukraine does not ask for this help.

I agree to all 100. The West is only waiting for this to blame Russia.
We need endurance, a sober assessment of the situation.

[Kopeck]

Absolutely agree. It is necessary that people show their will, rather than expecting someone to do everything for them. It’s only a pity that there are already so many dead.

[Lukich]

Quote: Horde

in general, people should also go to work and earn money for families

and to receive zinc coffins for Russian mothers? well settled ...

[kombat58]

Interestingly, and if in a month you turn out to be wrong, you will at least apologize.
I don’t count on more.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

and you yourself would go against the armed fighters? WITH WEAPONS WITH BOTTLES WITH GASOLINE, WITH STICKS?

but let's not take on weak, tea is not in the sandbox.
the majority of the population sits and waits, as a result it will wait what kind of phrase in Russian will be beaten in the face at best.
and now you will not envy GDP and want to help, and Russia cannot be drawn into the war, you can recall how the aid to the Serbs ended in the 14th of the last century

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the majority of the population sits and waits, as a result it will wait what kind of phrase in Russian will be beaten in the face at best.

people need help, arm and organize, and your Putin is silent for the third day, like a fish on ice ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

people need help, arm and organize, and your Putin is silent for the third day, like a fish on ice ...

Well, firstly, you need to have those to whom to help, and if it comes to that who should give weapons, secondly, and what should the GDP do to run and scream without a break ?!
this is not the main advantage of a leader and apparently you have never personally led anyone
well, and third, yes I VOTED FOR PUTIN

[Horde]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Well, firstly, you need to have those to whom to help, and if it comes to that who should give weapons, secondly, and what should the GDP do to run and scream without a break ?!
this is not the main advantage of a leader, and apparently you haven’t ever led anyone

there they KILL PEOPLE, AND YOU THINK HERE, who to give, to whom not to give, to give everyone weapons, who with a St. George’s ribbon, and even better WITH RED AND FASCISM WILL NOT PASS ...

[svp67]

Quote: Horde

there they KILL PEOPLE, AND YOU THINK HERE, who to give, to whom not to give, to give everyone weapons, who with a St. George’s ribbon, and even better WITH RED AND FASCISM WILL NOT PASS ...

Our troops are pulling up to the border, and already from the internal districts, and everyone already knows that ... The Security Council of the Russian Federation is holding meetings - moreover, OUTSIDE PLAN. Wait. In order for the GDP to say something to the world, we must now clearly demonstrate to this world what we are ready to confirm every word of it with by force.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Horde

YOU ARE DISCUSSING HERE

Once again, what did you personally do on the front of the struggle with the enemies of Russia ?!
Yesterday I expressed my suggestions of support, I didn’t wait, I wrote appeals only on my behalf, can you do at least the same?

[kare]

KILL PEOPLE, AND YOU THINK HERE, who to give, to whom not to give, to give everyone weapons, who with a St. George’s ribbon, and even better WITH RED AND FASCISM WILL NOT PASS ...

You get excited HORDE
We ourselves are on the platoon
GDP now has a difficult task
Make it your own way, and do not pass for the occupant, and you can’t get the curse from the union of soldiers’s mothers
We all understand you perfectly

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: kare

We all understand you perfectly

don’t speak for everyone, people are rude and sputtering in nete and MORE

[Lukich]

Quote: Horde

KILL PEOPLE there,

who is killing? YOUR CHILDREN. and GDP is not a kindergarten teacher. watch videos, pi $ dyki for 14-17 years old.

[Mexican]

Horde, you are a troll!

[Mexican]

Horde, you are a troll!

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Horde

and your Putin is silent the third day

Silence is gold. Yes, you revived fascism with your silence

[Umnichka]

He, too, was silent for several days in front of the Crimea, and did not appear at all ...

[Lukich]

Quote: Horde

and your Putin is silent the third day, like a fish on ice ...

and why should our Putin tongue thresh? it is an abamka like a broomstick sweeping sanctions. things are not done in language

[AleksUkr]

Then do not be silent, but get down to business ...

[Thompson]

How many armed militants were there? And what are they armed with?
And how many population of Odessa, adult, combat-ready?
And how many weapons are in the arsenals of Odessa?
Or as one wrote here - to him tomorrow to work, to feed his family?
The junta will feed you tomorrow if you continue to do nothing!

[yushch]

I agree with you, a lot would come out. Always and everywhere, the main problem is to notify, assemble and forward. A good example is the Shooter in Slovyansk, organized the people and the result in person. I think if in Odessa there will be a Strelok, then they will quickly bend the cancer.

[Xergey]

they told you not to cheat, if such a smart ride, not write scribbles.

[ODIN ASS]

og ... the truth is, what would he do? He would declare war on NATO, on the territory of Ukraine, would fight ... for a week ..... mosh then you would understand that we have no army !!!!!

[crack]

you need to speak to those where they listen to you

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Horde

and would you yourself come out against ARMED WARRIORS? WITH WEAPON WITH GASOLINE BOTTLES, WITH

And why under (in) Kramatorsk, Slavic unarmed people went against armored vehicles?

[I am a Russian]

Quote: dfg

Odessa did not find the people to repulse 3-5 thousand zapadentsev?

Odessa Odessa ... lives at the expense of buy - sell. Few people will extend each for themselves and a helping hand.

Quote: dfg

and what is normal ??

For inhabitants of Odessa - yes it is normal. They know how to play a prank on the benches well on the stage, but forgot how to fight, well, there isn’t the right number of defenders in Odessa. They will win only by mass, but it is not yet.

[Olga Kemerovo]

So I also think so. Why inhabitants of Odessa allowed? City millionaire. Is there really no one to fight back? And Russia will come in and immediately become an aggressor. First of all, for Ukrainians. And I think the help is only secretly

[avia1991]

Quote: dfg

in the millionth Odessa there was no people to repulse 3-5 thousand zapadentsev ?? and what is it normal ???

It is good to reason while sitting at home. Tell me: Have you ever tried to organize a mass event? To create a popular movement, equip it with ideology, establish communication, alert, prompt delivery to the places of the actions ... Do you think at all when you write ?! No offense: the right sector has been prepared for such actions for years, they are well "fed", supplied, covered with security forces. This action was planned, prepared and carried out thanks to a clear organization, and to expect active opposition from the spontaneously arising popular movements G-L-U-P-O ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: avia1991

Good reasoning while sitting at home. And tell me: Have you ever tried to organize an event?

you contradict yourself it turns out that Crimea was brought not on such a platter

[avia1991]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

you contradict yourself it turns out that Crimea was brought not on such a platter

There is no contradiction. Crimea has always been oriented towards Russia, had its own government, which was in opposition to Kiev, an IMPROVED executive system, which worked at the right time .. Crimeans self-organized FOR LONG TIME! Therefore, they did not take much time to realize their plan.
PS And you entertain your hurt feelings?

[pinachet]

or maybe they want from us that we intervene, provoke .., give Crimea as a seed .. !!! ??
we’ll climb right now, but for us NATO from all sides! all world media are working west, they will say that we must finally deal with us as barbarians !!! and climb ... in the east of the Japs, in the west from the Baltic states, etc.

[AndreyS]

Quote: avia1991

Good reasoning while sitting at home.

Yes, if forty people had burned at my place, visitors from other places I would already go and sausage every meeting lawyer, especially since they are not hiding! And all the more, all the inhabitants of Odessa know where this pack is living (and the place of their lives would already be flaming with might and main. And in the place of local police officers, the head who would give the go-ahead to leave and leave unarmed citizens to be torn to pieces, I would personally shoot in the head (and believe me deeply It wouldn’t care about the consequences of this step), and not only him. So even the policemen are saponious! What to hold on to? A place ?! They kept in Lviv, they cut their heads there, they think that they will not be touched? !!! Well, well ..... Blessed is he who believes, and to my character, if they had burned me in this house, I would not have gone to the grave, I would have grabbed a couple of these creatures by jumping out of the window onto their heads!

[nikolaev]

Petition for the introduction of Russian peacekeeping troops in Ukraine
http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v
oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? cNfwzgb

[Horde]

Quote: nikolaev

Petition for the introduction of Russian peacekeeping troops in Ukraine

the link says that there is no such petition ...

[Lukich]

Quote: Horde

the link says that there is no such petition ...

was still yesterday I wrote

[Igarr]

Link works.
There is this petition.
Signed and distributed.

[Horde]

Quote: Lukich

Yesterday I was still writing

Sorry, but the petition you are looking for has been closed or does not exist.

Are you driving a fool? Can’t you visit the site and see? Lukich

[Lukich]

Quote: Horde

Quote: Lukich

Yesterday I was still writing

Sorry, but the petition you are looking for has been closed or does not exist.

Are you driving a fool? Can’t you visit the site and see? Lukich

I already said that I was yesterday and I voted. I have nothing more to do there

[Sunflower]

http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorcheskie_v
oyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? cjSdphb

[Sunflower]

https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Vvesti_mirotvorchesk
ie_voyska_Rossii_na_YugoVostok_Ukrainy /? solBEeb

[Yura]

Quote: Humpty

Banderlog will have to die.

This is necessary and inevitable.

[mihasik]

How many more Russians must be killed by the Bandera reptiles to be crushed by a steam rink.
Banderlog will have to die.

And how are you going to separate someone under the skating rink, and who will go to the skating rink !? Today these bastards are throwing Molotov cocktails, and tomorrow they will put on St. George's ribbons so that they can save them if our people enter. After all, they all speak Russian well (in contrast to the semi-literate villagers from Western Ukraine), registration is mostly local or on a visit. SO HOW TO SEPARATE !? And if ours enter and there are corpses (and they will be), then we will be murderers and bloodsuckers for 90% of Ukrainians. Why? Because the real resistance to the Nazis is only fifteen or twenty thousand, and this is less than 1 !!!! percent (more precisely 0,05%) of the inhabitants of Ukraine. The numbers are not scary ?! The rest, like us, fight on websites or sympathize, or just sit out in huts ...

[Ross]

It seems that a real change in consciousness occurred in the Southeast. As when in 1941, after seeing the atrocities of the Nazis, the people began the Patriotic War. Now the grandchildren must complete what the grandfathers did not finish.

[Vikmay16]

Banderlog West protects, tries its best, such a Western democracy!

[taseka]

History repeats itself! Crimea hold on !!

[TR-25]

Tymoshenko at a meeting in Odessa, called for a provocation on 9 May
http://maxpark.com/community/5512/content/2713799

[wax]

For NATO, Serbs are enemies, as are we. Therefore, NATO needed a pretext, it could even be invented or organized. Russia was in the fall. For us, Ukrainians are not enemies, and we cannot act as in a war with the enemy until the Ukrainian army clearly opposes the people. She is being driven, but she is sabotaging orders in every way. Our army is on guard of this state, and for this it is enough to be on the border without crossing it. The right sector is not the army, these are bandits, albeit covered by the junta. But the people of Ukraine can cope with the bandits, especially in the Southeast, if 5-10 people rise even not sufficiently armed. If we do not have impeccable grounds for sending troops to Ukraine, then, consider that we will finally turn it into our ardent enemy, especially if we iron the military. It’s not enough to wait. If there are no legitimate elections on May 25, the junta itself will deflate. It is precisely this development of events that the West is most afraid of. But, of course, the insane junta is capable of unexpected

[wax]

For NATO, Serbs are enemies, as are we. Therefore, NATO needed a pretext, it could even be invented or organized. Russia was in the fall. For us, Ukrainians are not enemies, and we cannot act as in a war with the enemy until the Ukrainian army clearly opposes the people. She is being driven, but she is sabotaging orders in every way. Our army is on guard of this state, and for this it is enough to be on the border without crossing it. The right sector is not the army, these are bandits, albeit covered by the junta. But the people of Ukraine can cope with the bandits, especially in the Southeast, if 5-10 people rise even not sufficiently armed. If we do not have impeccable grounds for sending troops to Ukraine, then, consider that we will finally turn it into our ardent enemy, especially if we iron the military. It’s not enough to wait. If there are no legitimate elections on May 25, the junta itself will deflate. It is precisely this development of events that the West is most afraid of. But, of course, the insane junta is capable of unexpected

[wax]

For NATO, Serbs are enemies, as are we. Therefore, NATO needed a pretext, it could even be invented or organized. Russia was in the fall. For us, Ukrainians are not enemies, and we cannot act as in a war with the enemy until the Ukrainian army clearly opposes the people. She is being driven, but she is sabotaging orders in every way. Our army is on guard of this state, and for this it is enough to be on the border without crossing it. The right sector is not the army, these are bandits, albeit covered by the junta. But the people of Ukraine can cope with the bandits, especially in the Southeast, if 5-10 people rise even not sufficiently armed. If we do not have impeccable grounds for sending troops to Ukraine, then, consider that we will finally turn it into our ardent enemy, especially if we iron the military. It’s not enough to wait. If there are no legitimate elections on May 25, the junta itself will deflate. It is precisely this development of events that the West is most afraid of. But, of course, the insane junta is capable of unexpected

[wax]

For NATO, Serbs are enemies, as are we. Therefore, NATO needed a pretext, it could even be invented or organized. Russia was in the fall. For us, Ukrainians are not enemies, and we cannot act as in a war with the enemy until the Ukrainian army clearly opposes the people. She is being driven, but she is sabotaging orders in every way. Our army is on guard of this state, and for this it is enough to be on the border without crossing it. The right sector is not the army, these are bandits, albeit covered by the junta. But the people of Ukraine can cope with the bandits, especially in the Southeast, if 5-10 people rise even not sufficiently armed. If we do not have impeccable grounds for sending troops to Ukraine, then, consider that we will finally turn it into our ardent enemy, especially if we iron the military. It’s not enough to wait. If there are no legitimate elections on May 25, the junta itself will deflate. It is precisely this development of events that the West is most afraid of. But, of course, the insane junta is capable of unexpected

[Sandov]

Quote: Humpty

NATO bombed Serbia after showing two dozen and hastily dressed Albanian sadists.
How many more Russians must be killed by the Bandera reptiles to be crushed by a steam rink.
Banderlog will have to die.

And their minions from P I N D O S T A N A.

[White5]

NATO - lawlessness, We are in a legitimate field. We don’t want to cross the line, as if we were not scolded while everything is unfounded.

[firefox090]

This is a real horror ....
http://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/690116.html

[Santechnik1997]

There are no Bandera, there are people of Ukraine!
"People of the South-East" are militants from Chechnya and employees of the Russian GRU + "Berkut", which killed people on the Maidan. Wake up, Russians, there was no armed coup in Ukraine, there was a sniper shooting of participants in a protest action against the violation of the rights and freedoms of the entire population of all Ukraine.
Depressive Lugansk and Donetsk were robbed by Yanukovych and his team back in the 90s, and then they wanted to enslave the whole of Ukraine with the flow of the government of the Russian Federation. What is happening there today is attempts to destabilize the situation in the country, disrupt the elections and retain the power of local oligarchs.
The shooting of people on the Maidan, the escape of Yanukovych and all current events is the Kremlin’s scenario for the revival of the USSR. But Ukraine does not want this, we have been independent for 23 years, a generational change has taken place and the ideals of the USSR are alien to us.

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

in large batches ...

[Santechnik1997]

He was personally in Odessa on April 30 - May 4, lived in an apartment 300 meters from the epicenter of events.
All that happened is the FSB’s plan to foment a civil war in Ukraine, the majority of whose residents strive for European values ​​and living standards.
The Ukrainian fans attacked the peaceful move of the paid provocateurs armed with a firearm with the full support of the police who had rotted under Yanukovych. 5 people were shot dead with complete inaction of the police and, moreover, with assistance (cover), which caused indignation of the guests and residents of Odessa and led to a trip to the tent city on Kulikovo field, as there was no point in expecting order from the guards, and the result could be the killing of more people.
The bulk of the "Kulikovtsy" were in the trade union building, where firearms, Molotov cocktails and a certain substance were previously brought in, 80% of the lives of the victims on May 2.
I don't think it's worth proving that only representatives of the "Kulikovites" could have brought all this there in advance.
There is an online broadcast of the Odessa television company, where it is clear that the opponents of the “Kulikovites” entering the trade union building had only helmets, shields and bats in their arsenal.
A fire with the release of a poisonous substance occurred on the 3-5 floors after arson by fighters of the "Kulikovites", which can also be seen in the video. It is also known that 50 of the most active "Kulikovites" were on the roof, obviously knowing about the secret poisonous substance.
Russians, open your eyes, you live in the information matrix created by the Russian media according to the scenarios of the Kremlin. In Ukraine, the majority does not want the USSR to return and go under the boot to Putin, do not meddle in our house, we ourselves can put things in order here without your intervention, focus on the problems inside your country. Good luck

[svp67]

A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...

[mad]

I agree, and the present director Parubiy as if hints to whom to give an Oscar for the main role.

[aksakal]

Quote: svp67

A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...

Wow provocation! 46 people alive to burn THIS IS A GENOCIDE AND CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY! It’s surprising that Putin’s composure - to endure this without emotion, like, let the world community be convinced of the specifically burned out 46 Russian people with whom he is dealing with the junta — honestly, it’s hard for me to understand such composure. Even if it is dictated by the most pragmatic goals and probably leads to a win, it’s very difficult for me to understand such endurance.
Why didn't Putin bring in troops? What for? In Donbass and Lugansk, the situation is stable. The population of these regions after yesterday is angry against the junta beyond all measure, which should affect the results of the "referendum" on May 11. For the troops of the junta, Slavyansk remained a tough nut to crack. - So what? It is interesting to observe Syria for three years, with a bunch of civilian casualties and a bunch of refugees, the complete destruction of the remaining industry, and besides, this time right near Moscow? Is this pragmatism? Something strange form of pragmatism. I don’t know, my IMHO - there is a choice between the lives of their Russian people and "how to look better in the eyes of a Western man in the street." And somehow I would deeply spit what a Western burgher would think of me, he is hardly worthy even that I would think anything at all to him, let alone take into account them somehow. interests. “I don’t care what you think of me, I don’t think about you at all” - this is the formula for attitudes towards the West, and there can be no other in principle. And Putin thinks, cares about his image in their eyes. probably plans, where to live out old age more calmly, read lectures on political science for a normal loot ... And the fact that it is the western fosterlings that are burned alive there - oh well, we will survive
Well, these are sad thoughts. Although it is realistic for the Russian group, which is concentrated near Ukraine, to carry out a special operation to defeat the "National Guard" and hang war criminals on the Maidan, with good planning, it is a matter of one or two weeks.

[Argyn-suindyk]

I don’t understand GDP either, Israel has been occupying the Palestinian territories for half a century with full condemnation of the world and everything is getting away with it. It's not just that something is about to happen.

[nicollider]

You can’t just take and occupy. there is no 100% support there as in the Crimea. no. and 38 Odessa martyrs are the very thing that will turn the population towards Russia. Well occupied, do you need partisan actions? Svidomo attacks and other joys?

now it will be the other way around - the article correctly noted: "The militants in Odessa themselves started the 'process', which could not have begun without outside help. And in the whole South-East, it seems, everything is just beginning."

and now there will be (support).

[Aventurinka]

Quote: nicollider

and 38 Odessa martyrs are the very thing that will turn the population towards Russia.

Will not turn. Already, so many Odessa citizens believe that the pro-Russian attacked the ultras themselves, and then set themselves on fire when they threw the bottles from above.

[Grbear]

Aventurinka
This is yours

Now sooo many residents of Odessa believe that the pro-Russian attacked the ultras themselves, and then set themselves on fire,

and there is a reason that you will still "burn" and look for "Russian" roots. It is "cured", but sooo painful.

[Aventurinka]

Quote: GrBear

skat "Russian" roots.

I don’t need to look for them, I have no other roots. And outside of Russia, except for Ukraine (Crimea) was not anywhere. Only I try to find the truth as close to the truth. And I read information and opinions from all sides of the polygon of truth. And our Maydanovites, and their Maydanites, and their pro-Russian, and our rightists, and the versions from ORT and RTR ... and much more.
So, perceiving your comment as addressed to the Odessa-Ukrainians, I fully support it.

[Suvorov]

Quote: Argyn-Suindyk

For half a century, Israel has been occupying the Palestinian territories with full condemnation of the world, and everything is getting away with it.

Israel is doing this with the full support of the United States and does not care about the rest of the world community. For us, other "standards" exist. The UN and all "progressive humanity" will immediately condemn it. This is what surprises me: when the USSR was, almost all the Western "left" and "green" supported our position on the world stage. But when the USSR disappeared, these "shape-shifters" immediately began to "blow in one tune." The world has really become "unipolar". The Americans "outbid" their roofing felts, or they themselves understood that it was necessary to "rebuild" out of harm's way. And most likely both.

[Thompson]

Israel will be forgiven for much more, because they are ON THE SIDE OF THE USA !!!!!!!!!
This is the essence! Look, the United States has recently intervened in the domestic affairs of only those states that were, in one way or another, supporters of the USSR or Russia.
Afgan does not count, there they have personal accounts!

[Xergey]

in Israel there is no reason to bomb and punish, but in Russia everything would create a precedent.

[maxcor1974]

aksakal (3) KZ  Today, 09: 18 ↑

Wow provocation! 46 people alive burn fool THIS IS A GENOCIDE AND CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY! It’s surprising that Putin’s composure - to endure such things without emotion, like, let the world community be convinced of the specifically Russian people who were burnt alive by 46 who are dealing with the junta — honestly, it’s hard for me to understand such composure. Even if it is dictated by the most pragmatic goals and probably leads to a win, it’s very difficult for me to understand such endurance.

Dear Aksakal, these are all emotions. On the first day after the tragedy in Odessa, I was also “tore and thrashed” and scolded Putin for the lack of reaction. But after a short time, it becomes clear that we do not have even 50% of the population's support for the introduction of troops into Ukraine. The people fooled by the local media will take us for the invaders (I do not mean Donetsk and Lugansk, the people there are already "ripe" for secession). You cannot help those who do not want help, and by the behavior of the population in Odessa, for example, you cannot say that they need it (even after the tragedy on May 2, only a few hundred people went to the picket at the building of the local Ministry of Internal Affairs, not tens of thousands). And to write off the passivity of the population for fear for their lives, according to the Horde, will not work.

[aksakal]

Quote: maxcor1974

Dear Aksakal, these are all emotions. On the first day after the tragedy in Odessa, I was also “tore and thrashed” and scolded Putin for the lack of reaction. But after a short time, it becomes clear that for the introduction of troops into Ukraine, we do not even have 50% of the population's support.

- Thank you, I myself understand that all these are emotions, and I myself admitted that it is difficult for me to understand, and at the same time I understand that endurance and steel nerves lead to a gain. Well, it’s just hard for me personally to understand. This explains why I knock on the clave, and Putin makes decisions It would be different - it would be the other way around. I can’t even bluff poker, and without money, and when money is at stake, then even more so that I could stand the obvious injustice, at least for a while, that would turn public opinion to my advantage - this is generally not about me

[Lukich]

Quote: aksakal

46 Russian people burnt alive

in the article, and nowhere is it written that they were Russian people.

[DON-100]

Yesterday, a list of the first 12 identified victims in Odessa was published, all the names are Russian, all of them are residents of Odessa. On videos made at the house of trade unions, they also speak not Ukrainian, but Russian. The terrible reality is that Russian and Russian-speaking youth shouting "glory to Ukraine" "Russians are burning" are killing and burning Russians. By the way, they write on Odessa forums that most of these geek-killers were also Odessa citizens, and not newcomers.

[aksakal]

Quote: Lukich

in the article, and nowhere is it written that they were Russian people.

- blood composition is important to you? Maybe even a genetic analysis could be made, so that later I could decide how much to regret - with howls, for real or false? According to Sabzh - pro-Russian citizens and supporters of federalization - is this not enough to be called Russian? Ethnically, there are a lot of Jews in Odessa, so out of 46 dead there can be many Jews - and so what?
For example, I do not treat Jews badly - I am disgusted with the bearers of the ideology of "God's chosenness"; in the USSR, the term "Zionism" was coined for this ideology. And not just to the carriers, but to those who specifically by their deeds confirm that he is a Zionist. For example, the same Kolomoisky. After all, it was his people who burned supporters of federalization in Odessa, among whom, as we assume, there may be many Jews? Conclusion - a Jew and a Zionist are different people. They even kill each other.
Anyone who supports the creation of this alternative to the Anglo-Saxon world can be a Russian within the framework of the hypothetical "Russian world" that Putin announced the creation of. From this point of view, I ask you to consider me as Russian as well, although ethnically and spiritually, in essence I remain a Kazakh. Of course, it would be great if the creation of the "Kazakh world" was proclaimed by Nazarbayev, but this is not in this world

[ReifA]

Crooked definition. Eretz Zion is a country of Israel. Tobish Zionist-the Jew who wants to live in Israel. The concept itself was perverted, giving it a negative connotation. If we give synonyms, then the Zionist is akin to a nationalist, remotely.

[ASSARU]

Dear. You already decide. Ask to consider you Russian, though spiritually and in essence, as you speak Kazakh. The Kazakhs are officially the titular nation. The Kazakh language is the state language. You’re just like God’s sinus. therefore, they will not pass the exam in the Kazakh language. Encourage Nazarbayev to proclaim the Kazakh world. It's like.
How cleverly you managed to divide into Russian and non-Russian. Jews and Zionists. And everything is so simple. Schaub, I lived as you say. As they say in Odessa

[aksakal]

Quote: ASSARU

How cleverly you managed to divide into Russian and non-Russian

- not clever, but very simple. Who cares about the idea of ​​creating a "Russian world", even if not quite fluent in Russian, is Russian. But one cannot be called a Russian for sure who burned pro-Russian citizens in Odessa, while speaking in Russian, one cannot call even those ethnically pure Russians who post nasty things, being sophisticated in Russophobia, and also in Russian, Russian. Is this idea incomprehensible?

Quote: ASSARU

It’s not that those who came in large numbers and can’t find work, because they don’t know the Kazakh language. And their children won’t get a certificate from school, because they don’t pass the exam in the Kazakh language

- you would come, and not to me, who lives in Kazakhstan, would retell the rumors about Kazakhstan. Is your name Borat? Since when did you move to the USA? In real life, when applying for a job, no one requires you to know the Kazakh language, and if somewhere in government agencies there are such requirements, then it is enough to say "salamatsyzba" in Kazakh (hello!), As they put a tick in the corresponding box.
So actually you live in the USA and live, you have already made your choice, therefore, post not for the Russians, but for the Amers, your guardianship requires it. Remember the text of the oath of citizenship? So do it. I have a well-defined definition for people like you, but I will not give it, but you already guessed. So you know.

[svp67]

Quote: aksakal

Wow provocation!

Dear, you first figure out what it was all about, and then express an opinion ...

[aksakal]

Quote: svp67

A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...

- dear, you started a separate sub-branch here, as if not related to other sub-branches, take a closer look - a separate sub-branch begins with your post, and here it is your text. And now sit and search throughout this thread and link this statement of yours with the mass of the above statements - search for yourself, probably you yourself will not find it. Therefore, within the framework of this sub-branch, I read it as it is, but it is exactly like this: "

Quote: svp67

A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...

"- correlated with SABJ (and nothing else) and we get: SABJ and your answer" this is a provocation! "Within the framework of this logic, my answer is that if this is a provocation, then something is not even a provocation either by the number of those killed, or by the cruelty of the deed. Although the handwriting of the Banderaites is not recognizable - since the Volyn massacre, it has not changed. I made a decision - wherever I mention the word "Bandera", I will immediately accompany this word in a MANDATORY manner with a photograph of that hanged man baby, that at least already on this forum a specific and hard-to-break stereotype and a specific association “Bandera - a hanged baby.” I apologize in advance to those who will be unpleasant, but SO NECESSARY. At the information war, we shoot without pity. let Bandera's people still rejoice that I am not fighting for real.That is why I am almost sure that it WILL HAVE to fight, since the war is inevitable, Kazakhstan will hardly be able to sit on the sidelines, since the war will again be in the Eurasian space, and therefore don't have to fight. And I immediately say - I will not be afraid to become like the Banderaites. Moreover, I'm going to surpass them. Let me become the same as them, do not care. Let them eat what they generate at this time.

[svp67]

Quote: aksakal

Within the framework of this logic and my answer

Yes, I see amateurs in all nations to "rush with a saber to the attack" without thinking, enough. So here is my statement ...

Quote: aksakal

Quote: svp67
A provocation, as it is, a pre-planned provocation, is very similar to the emphasis on the execution on Grushevskaya ...

To relate to this, draw conclusions:

The procession of "ultras" and militants through the streets of Odessa was relatively calm. But in the area of ​​st. The Greek men attacked them with bats, in combat gear, with St. George's ribbons and RED BANDAGES on their hands. Here the first oddity and "inconsistency" with the official version of the junta happened. Exactly the same red armbands were on the hands of SOME Interior Ministry officers. The most interesting thing is that it was in this place where these officers were located that the "breakthrough" of the "separatists" took place to the participants of the march. Also, absolutely "accidentally" this very moment was filmed from an elevated point, in relation to what is happening (as a former cameraman will say, this means that the filmmaker knew the script and had chosen a position for shooting in advance). This was followed by a short skirmish resulting in the first casualties. Moreover, unidentified "arrows" were shooting from the rooftops and from the crowd (according to the junta's version, it is clear that they are pro-Russian). Then a quick, on command, retreat of the "bandaged militants". After that, people with bandages disappear from the stage (probably they just took off the bandages and ribbons) and mixed with the crowd. Instead of pursuing obvious provocateurs, the "maddened" crowd rushed to Kulikovo Pole to the camp of the "federates"

[Grbear]

aksakalWith all due respect to the "regalia" and the self-proclaimed nickname, I see all the signs of emotion against the background of a reluctance to just think.

And somehow, I would deeply spit what the Western burgher would think about me, he is hardly worthy even of that ...

Spitting out is simple, simple - just a moment, and then put up for ten years?

And Putin thinks, takes care of his image in their eyes. probably plans where to live old age ...

Putin has already done such a thing that in the west they hate him so much, they are ready to stand in line to "knock out a stool", at least in the first hundred.

It’s surprising that Putin’s composure - to endure this without emotion, like, let the world community be convinced of the specifically burned out 46 Russian people with whom he is dealing with the junta — honestly, it’s hard for me to understand such composure.

I agree - genocide. Some Ukrainians, in relation to others. Where is Russia here? Yes, we condole, we are indignant, but this is not an argument for the use of force (like the Americans?). Fascists are the result of common work or connivance. Again we?

Everyone chooses by themselves
Woman, religion, freedom. ©
и
You have to pay for everything.

[aksakal]

Quote: GrBear

Putin has already done such a thing that in the west they hate him so much, they are ready to stand in line to "knock out a stool", at least in the first hundred.

- I agree, you have less regalia, therefore I will not repeat "with all due respect". And so, without "with all due respect" - what exactly did Putin do? Recently? Prevented an attack on Syria? This is bad? Annexed Crimea? Is it he? Didn't the Crimeans themselves expressed a desire? But I believe that the Crimeans themselves decided to join Russia, there were no referendums at gunpoint there. So what exactly did Putin do there? So far I can see that the West has heaped up there, more specifically the United States. Both in Syria and in Ukraine. So, your clients will have to knock out the stool.
And thirdly - why put up with the West for ten years?

Quote: GrBear

and then put up for ten years?

I see no reason to put up with the West, especially ten years:
- economic. The West, in spite of just now impressive economic indicators, is in dynamics, in orientation, and, therefore, in the very near future is moving to the side of the world's economy. Why then seek reconciliation with them from an economic point of view. Fencing off with a concrete fence - you can restore the one in Berlin, and let yourself decay safely, they are not needed from an economic point of view - well, or they will not be needed already in the foreseeable future. Look at Asia - future monsters there. And Russia itself is in the union of the former Soviet countries.
- scientific. And again - the same thing as with the economic point of view.
- cultural and culturological - and here it’s generally seams. Such rot is already coming from there, no words. Even a movie can’t be shot without pornographic scenes already - take a look at the nymphomaniac about the latest works of the seemingly talented director Lars von Trier. This is an indicator. I'm not even talking about gay propaganda.
- civilizational - the significance of the West still remains, what the West has done for civilization - will remain, thank you, praise them for their honor, THEY MAY be free.
The turn is for other countries.
So answer - why put up with the West from a pragmatic point of view? Let the West itself and seek reconciliation, it needs it more. And if you do not like "Asiatic" and "European" is dearer to your soul, even Ascetic admitted in this sympathy that, they say, "I see everything and understand that Asians did not kill Russians with a conveyor belt, as the Germans did in the last World War II, but the Germans somehow closer to me, I can not do anything! ". MAY NOT GO ANYWHERE! If you try, it means, once again step on that rake, you will once again stumble upon the cold Western genocide and then you will definitely be able to ... He has outlived his own, the West - big Detroit in the near future.

[Xergey]

he had previously thought about the citizens living in Russia, so far all the gallant things have not seriously affected the sanctions, and when the salaries in Russia stop paying, everything will start talking differently and Putin will be blamed for everything.

[zzz]

only that I found a screenshot in the internet

[queen]

They are worse than the savages and the Nazis themselves during the war, no words, or these homosexuals are not aware that their end is approaching. Come to their homes and burn to the ground. But leaving nothing. In general, nothing.

[Saburov]

Why not entered? Because a hot head, worse than atomic warfare, can be trapped and the brothers not saved and their people destroyed. The United States is only waiting for this, as their hands will immediately be untied for sanctions and for convincing the whole world to exert pressure on us. Don't be in a hurry, these high-grade bpts will get their plan, like the American pigs, to create a reinforced concrete grave for them, already at the final stage.

[MEDVED]

I completely agree. a handful of unarmed residents of Odessa resisted 1,5 thousand imprisoned kam, where were the rest of Odessa ??? Bad at heart .... Putin is a worthy leader, is in the most difficult situation - requiring a competent and correct solution ....

[papas-57]

'' a handful of unarmed residents of Odessa opposed 1,5 imprisoned kams, where were the rest of Odessa residents ??? It's bad at heart. '' And most of the residents sit at home and wait for their `` older brother '', who must do everything for them. They themselves do not want to do anything, and they are scared and lazy. Apparently they are satisfied with this situation.

[Sinara70]

Apparently fear, the whole head .. !!!!
Just afraid to raise your head ...
And this is in Odessa-Hero City !!!!!!!!

[MEDVED]

I always ask myself this question: what would you do, whether in your country, in your city, such a terrible and cruel story ?????? units, dozens come out to clearly state their civic position, a certain number actively support them. The rest sit at home and think that they will manage without me. A significant part of citizens are generally wary of active citizens (whom dill was burned in the house of trade unions). This is the tragedy of Odessa. Maybe now they begin to realize that either under the baseboard, or they will also be burned, killed, humiliated, taken away.

[ran nearby]

Yes, we do not have commanders - Leaders. No. And what can be done by three-five against even 20 ??? The number of victims to increase by itself?

[KazaK Bo]

Why not entered?

That's right! I’ll add a couple more phrases - in Russia, and many in Ukraine realized ... what kind of creatures are in power in Kiev. It is also necessary that in Europe, at least, people began to look at the actions of the punitive in Kiev differently. The eyes of European public opinion have already begun to open, not only among the people, but ... most importantly ... among the authorities and the media.
And this will be a completely different background for the beginning of forcing punitive to get away on their Maidan ....

[Saburov]

They should not get out onto the Maidan, but wrap themselves in a sheet and crawl into the cemetery if people don’t finish on the way.

[stroporez]

Quote: KazaK Bo

It is also necessary that in Europe, at least, people began to look at the actions of the punitive in Kiev differently.

--- hoping for it --- it's absolutely stupid .... because this will never happen, because the "western world" - feeds on the death and blood of the Slavs ....... and those who died in Odessa for Europe- - less than statistics .............

[polly]

Places are already being prepared for them where they will clean ...

[Corsair]

Quote: polly

Places are already being prepared for them where they will clean ...

They built "NONZALEZHNA", but it turned out ...

[sem-yak]

And this will be a completely different background for the beginning of forcing punitive to get away on their Maidan ....

Not on the Maidan. Get home in HELL!

[aksakal]

Quote: KazaK Bo

And this will be a completely different background for the beginning of forcing punitive to get away on their Maidan ....

- Well, of course, Putin ideally would like to receive a UN mandate to send peacekeeping forces to Ukraine and, based on this mandate, achieve his goals. But before receiving a mandate, the West can descend only after thousands of thousands burned alive - in Syria there are even more, in Africa it counts in millions - and nothing, the West is completely up to the question. What makes you think that pro-Russian Ukrainians for the West are somehow different about Syrians or Africans? He will scream and be indignant, but express regrets, but he will not give a mandate - who will argue?

[ya.seliwerstov2013]

I received on the basis
New task
On board my TNT
Yankees in punishment.
Here are my engines roaring
I dropped a rocket
Been there before Hollywood
And now I don’t have ....

[elephantine]

I completely agree with you.

[Old warrant officer]

Ashes of Kaas pounded in hearts! We will not forget, we will not forgive!

[Name]

Oops, now only BLOOD will be an indicator .... only blood.

[Children BuryKonya]

The methods are the same: snipers, dressing up, heating the crowd, only the punishers are out of control.

[Hamul]

Guys.

Admittedly, a very large part of Ukraine is the FASCIS!
All who participated in this inhuman act must be wheeled / quartered, etc. - so that the bitch tormented - like those innocent people. Live.
All who supported remotely burning people should be at least driven through the fire in a burning house. All politicians - who supported the mass death - should be publicly quartered. If they are not quartered, these bastards will flee to Geyropa or the USA and will spoil there. As was the case with the Nazis after the Second World War and World War II.

This cannot be forgiven in any way. fascism must be destroyed!

[Skipper2050]

Yes, over the past 20 years, Ukraine has greatly changed.

[1Andrei]

Quote: Skipper2050

Yes, over the past 20 years, Ukraine has greatly changed.

Who had to change, he did it back in the 90s. I have relatives in Kiev, so they came to us, sitting at my table, admired how wonderful everything happened (the collapse of the USSR), and now they got rid of this bondage, how constantly feed the Russians. And the fact that Ukraine has become independent is generally good for Europe, and of course they are the very center of Europe. Here are the thoughts with which they have spent the last twenty years in their heads. Well, and what mass demonstrations against the fascists we we’re waiting, it’s all the more pleasant to see the few, well, heroes of their country of Ukraine who are now fighting the Western world. They, as an outpost of Russia, are gathering the Slavic World to strangle this HYDRA in their nest. "Take your time slowly".

[AleksUkr]

Quote: Skipper2050

Yes, over the past 20 years, Ukraine has greatly changed.

Not only Ukraine itself has changed. The mentality of the PEOPLE has changed. Young people are zombified to the ground. There is contention in families. They want to go west. Have you watched Odessa? - Young girls are preparing bottles - for a bandy. And these are the realities of life.
Help should be provided to the people, namely the people. In the meantime, the indignant people are not visible. There is a part of the people. They are sorry. But the rest are still sleeping. Wait for their ... Unfortunately, many of the patriots will die ...

[Saratovets]

If the majority of ukrov are Fascists, then all the more it is necessary to strangle this hydra in the bud, and not wait until the assailants create a shock fist

[aleks700]

Not. We cannot become like the fascists. Just a headshot.

[Argyn-suindyk]

A separate section for the study of fascism should be "Ukrainian fascism"! For their own identification as a nation, they chose the easiest way - to oppose themselves to the Russians! For example, it is pointless for us Asiatic Turks to confirm our ethnos, to develop national self-awareness and traditions of our ancestors, otherwise it makes no sense to strengthen our statehood! In other words, a Kazakh has no need to prove to a Russian that he is Kazakh! It is more difficult with the Belarusian Ukrainians because they are all Russians anyway! One can even assume that the Kiev Orthodox are more Russian than Saratov or Tver! Modern Ukrainians do not want to be part of the Russians, they want to be anyone as long as they are not Russians, they want to deal at least with the shaitan himself, just not with the Russians and the desire to raise "their own national identity, separate from the Russians," by way of opposing comparison and raising to the level of their own exclusivity over the Russians there is a special form of Nazism - Ukrainian fascism! And don't think that the Ukrainian fascists are demons with SS armbands on their sleeves! No, these are ordinary Ukrainians in stores, the same women, men, teenagers, teachers, doctors, etc. , they just do not have clearly expressed intentions at the level of pravosekov! But in any case, though it is latent, it is Ukrainian fascism! This is my personal point of view!

[Grbear]

Argyn-suindyk
And do not think that the Ukrainian fascists are demons with SS bandages on their sleeves! No, these are ordinary Ukrainians in stores, the same women, men, adolescents, teachers, doctors, etc.

This is the whole problem of the people, that abandoning their homeland, they began to invent their own history and lost support. Now they are leaves in the wind of History. Someone will tear, someone will hold on, but it will be another tree. If at all.

[Lukich]

Quote: Hamul

Live.

they applauded live on a schuster when they said that they burned people alive in Odessa

[Hamul]

And this Shuster nits generally hang by the balls

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Hamul

for eggs

I don’t think it will turn out they most likely do not

[strannik595]

gentlemen, you are animals, mad animals .......... mad animals are shot, as is customary in people

[Andrey160479]

I think the denouement is not far off. Let's look at the results of the referendum. And the junta really does not know what to do, so the blood will flow again. Maybe NATO will be attracted. But and then a complete well .... Smells like the 3rd World War.

[mig31]

I would like to know how much more you need to burn alive civilians, what would the State Department and the West be full of half !? LYU-DO-YES !!!

[wasjasibirjac]

and where was the rest of Odessa, when the aliens were killing? why did the millionth city pose only 500-700 banderlogs in a pose? there are questions - no answers.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: wasjasibirjac

and where was the rest of Odessa, when the aliens were killing?

Ukrainians blame Russia for everything, and this is clearly visible in the people of Odessa. They preferred to turn away from trouble, to sit out. "uncle" will come and can solve problems, maybe began to be guided -

- my hut from the edge, I don’t know what.

[aleks700]

Banderlog was 5-7 thousand. But quickly gathering a similar crowd will not work. It is necessary to prepare in advance.

[Gronsky]

I confirm that the factor of surprise played a key role. If there was information about the upcoming, it would be realistic to collect the necessary number of people for protection. The demonstration after which they took away Davidchenko showed it clearly, then there was no less than (the smallest) 20 thousand, enough to fight back.
The fact that this was the plan of Iudobandera Nemirovsky to eliminate the Kulikov field is obvious. Otherwise, so quickly equipped creatures would not have appeared. Shields, helmets, fittings, gas cans, everything was available (what a peaceful demonstration in these situations). And just as quickly and disappeared. All signs of organization are on the face.
Well, he was able to distinguish himself from the rest of the lousy creatures. Now it remains the first of them to die, which, after all that has happened, becomes much more likely. Hello to you rabbi, gorillas with machine guns are useless in such cases. The goal is not they, the goal is you.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: aleks700

But quickly gathering a similar crowd does not work. It is necessary to prepare in advance.

Well, yes ... it's like in Russia for the communal winter comes ... unexpectedly.

[Egoza]

Quote: wasjasibirjac

why did the millionth city pose only 500-700 banderlogs in a pose? there are questions - no answers.

I will try to answer. "City of Millions" - think that two-thirds are old people, women and children. Those who could organize resistance are minuscule. Further, on the holidays, people took the opportunity and left the city for the gardens. Further, all the events took place in the center, and those who live further away had no idea what was happening! It's the same as in Kiev - there is a battle in the center, (right bank), on the left bank - silence and NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. all events are only on TV and then. further, the newcomers were thoroughly armed and rode WITH A PURPOSE, and the "resistance" - it was spontaneous, and as you can see who was there who opposed them !!! Well, there used to be small fights between locals - anti-fascists and "pro-Europeans", but no one expected SUCH! AND SHOCK! I think that now, Odessa will wake up completely!

[Lukich]

Quote: Egoza

I think that now, Odessa will fully wake up!

Yesterday it was reported on TV that the right sector had ordered 15 cars to leave Odessa. that's 15 union houses. simultaneously and at once nonhumans in HELL

[maxcor1974]

Dear Elena. Unfortunately, today's news speaks differently, in Odessa a picket near the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of several hundred people, in Moscow, the Ukrainian Embassy came with flowers more ...
How can you help people who in the majority do not want help? We are taller, just arguing on this subject with the Horde. Unfortunately, everything is sad in your south ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Egoza

I think that now, Odessa will fully wake up!

Odessa will "wake up"? Or "fall into a coma"? The first "normal" reaction of a person whose relatives and friends have suffered is to grab something heavier and catch up, find, punish the scoundrels. Where is this reaction among Odessa citizens? Scoundrels are still quietly walking around Odessa, and you have not slept yet ? 2/3-unarmed old men, women? What prevents 200-300 thousand inhabitants of Odessa from going to Peaceful demonstrations, rallies and demanding the arrest of the murderers, the ban on the "Right Sector"? At least publicly just to express outrage, protest. Maybe there would not be so many "joyful" comments on social networks coming out?

[AleksUkr]

Quote: wasjasibirjac

there are questions - no answers.

There are many questions. The people are still sleeping. My hut is on the edge ... Someone should bring everything to them on a silver platter.
But it could be so!

[Magadan]

We are not satisfied with the simple Ossetian script 2008. Ukraine should be cleaned of Nazi scum. From the junta, from the right-wingers, and from the frostbitten football fans. This is not even discussed. So even my overly liberal friends think so.
The introduction of troops: do not forget about Assad. If Russia enters troops at the moment, in order to revenge for the inhabitants of Odessa, then the United States immediately send troops to Syria. There, CNN will quickly come up with an appropriate story.
We remember that the SGA invested so much dough on the defense industry that the whole world did not invest together. And we stop hatred.
I think that after all, the entry of our troops will be, but the blow will be calibrated, unexpected and generally not in the place where we think.
For now, we need trained, past hotspots volunteers. And they need money. Alas - money is always needed. To do this, go to http://www.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/voina-na-yugo-vostoke-onlain-04-05-201
4-.html
There is a fundraiser for the militia of the South-East. Those who know how to fight have phones for them.
The great dill ditch is unlikely to be able to stop the flow of our fighters.

PS Chechens, who also have experience of hostilities, are already self-organizing along the way in order to cut the heads of the Nazis. Here is such a "paradox". Thanks to Ramzan!

[i80186]

Can you give me a tank? I only know how to tank.

[Backfire]

After the referendum on May 11, there will be a legal basis for the introduction of troops. Sorry for the people. Mourn

[serzh 58]

In this situation, there will be no referendum, they will not allow it to be held.

[saigon]

The snouts of the wretched mind that they organized it are there on the same network and the address is interesting how many ki will now live?

[papont1964]

Banderlogov need to be wet ...

[Siberia 9444]

There is such an old Russian Siberian hunting proverb A BEAR WHICH KNOWS ABOUT AN Ambush, WHEN NEVER GETS IN IT!

[melnik]

As I say, they did not keep the situation under control, there is no experience. People remember such things for centuries. There is no one to shut up the idiots who are popularly rejoicing, and they "burned Colorado". A very stupid nation. So substitute, it is incomprehensible to the mind ""

[Scandinavian]

Apparently, Moscow is waiting for something, I, as I don’t own all the information that is in the Kremlin, I can only assume that the cavalry with Chapaev, Putin will release now ... just wait for it now, wait ... help will come ... probably already comes from the same Crimea ... Brother Arman, will take the scalp from Balashov so that he does not flutter his broomstick from Kiev.

At the moment, I see only a way out in taking warehouses with weapons, for sure they are in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Arm everyone who wants to stand under the gun. To shoot every bush.

I also want to say that the silence of GDP plays only a negative for him. Unfortunately, we have such a character, said A, say B. And if the silence is long, the people will not understand ... IMHO

[Vita_vko]

Quote: Scandinavian

that the silence of GDP plays only a negative for him.

I agree. But if you remove the emotions, then the introduction of peacekeeping troops can only be after the consent of both parties and upon receipt of the UN mandate. Neither the first nor the second is real.
The second option is the deployment of troops to support the actions of the Southeast Front for the Liberation of Lugansk, Donbass, Odessa. Here, too, not everything is clear. Most people have not organized yet, trying to sit out like miners. Speeches by activists and unarmed residents indicate that people are trying by peaceful means to stop the civil war. In addition, the Southeast has enormous resources and if the popular liberation front is formed to the end, then the Ukrainians themselves are able to restore order at home. Motivation for this pravoseki and the Kiev junta created more than enough.

[Scandinavian]

So far, it's very bad that the people are providing passive support. It is imperative to introduce a temporary body to combat saboteurs "SMERSH". Otherwise, the tactics of dressing up pravosekov in civilian life will simply destroy all the efforts of the militias. These pravoseki will shoot in their backs.

[Lukich]

Quote: Scandinavian

people will not understand ...

will understand when the GDP again wipes its nose abamke and geyrope. well, that this will happen no doubt

[29261]

I don’t remember which of the forecasters said that the black monkey will be the last president of the United States, so we will tolerate a little bit. And you can’t enter troops without a UN mandate! heart bleeds.

[saag]

Quote: 29261

that the black monkey will be the last president of the United States

they probably forgot to add or omit the phrase - "the last black president"

[samoletil18]

Quote: 29261

black monkey will

Only in the USA there are so many blacks

[Lukich]

Quote: 29261

I don’t remember which of the forecasters said

it said Baba VANGA

[duchy]

My heart bleeds when you see this massacre. Weapons are being asked in our hands to destroy these creatures through the screen. What is the people hoping for in the confrontation with the Nazis. They must be destroyed like mad dogs. They never understood and cannot understand the human language, these animals can only kill. They must be dealt with accordingly.

[Tatarus]

Get up Odessa, no laughing matter.
There is a gap in their teeth.
Close up so that the whole mouth.
There is no life for those who dill

[Dante Alighieri]

They noticed that we do not see Vladimir Vladimirovich anywhere. For him, in fact, Peskov now speaks, but there is no personal appeal of the president to the people (face to face) regarding the latest events. The last time the persona of the head of state was shown when he was in Minsk on April 29-30, after which he disappeared. Similarly, we do not see Lavrov; instead, statements are made by representatives of the information department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and not even in the person of his head Lukashevich, but his deputy. It seems to me that it’s not just the holidays that matter, what the hell are the holidays, when this happens ........ Something grand is being prepared, comrades. Apparently the answer is not long in coming.

[Patriot.ru.]

"Similarly, we do not see Lavrov"

There is no point in talking to them.

[Dezinto]

Well, of course. It was exactly the same before the referendum in Crimea. Naturally things are going. He has nothing to do with performances. He is preparing his batch. I haven’t gone anywhere but the president is working. Works.

[Evrepid]

his performance will be 100% an established fact, but for now it's all from the category "the dog barks the caravan goes" ...

sorry for the comparison.

[gfhjkm]

They noticed that we do not see Vladimir Vladimirovich anywhere. For him, in fact, Peskov now speaks, but there is no personal appeal of the president to the people (face to face) regarding the latest events. The last time the persona of the head of state was shown when he was in Minsk on April 29-30, after which he disappeared. Similarly, we do not see Lavrov; instead, statements are made by representatives of the information department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and not even in the person of his head Lukashevich, but his deputy. It seems to me that it’s not just the holidays that matter, what the hell are the holidays, when this happens ........ Something grand is being prepared, comrades. Apparently the answer is not long in coming.

First you need to eliminate the entire elite in Kiev with one pretty air strike, and then send troops if you don’t do this, then NATO and America will start to equip weapons with equipment.

[Vita_vko]

Maybe you're right. The facts of the crime against humanity, against their own people, for which the Kiev junta is directly responsible and the United States behind them, has accumulated more than enough. It's time to generalize and attach to the war crimes case.
Of course I would like to believe it. But I’m afraid everything will be the same as in South Ossetia, where the United States turned on the back, and instead of accusing the genocide, Saakashvili will continue to stomp the earth beyond the hill. If Saakashvili would have been squeezed and convicted by an international court, then no one would have dared to fight against their own people in Ukraine now.

[Grif]

Quote: duche

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I don’t remember which of the forecasters said that the black monkey will be the last president of the United States, so we’ll tolerate a little

This is Vanga predicted. She also said that in 2015 a nuclear war would begin. And Russia will start it and win.

[Stavros]

Vanga did not predict this. Manuscripts of a monk, a German by birth were found, in the monastery I do not remember in which area he wrote that there will be a new country, that is, the United States, and during the reign of his head, who will not be like the others, the country will be destroyed. The manuscript was seized by the NKVD and sent to Moscow. I read about it about 10 years ago.

[Ustian]

Monk Black Spider ....

[Suvorov]

Quote: Grif

This is Vanga predicted. She also said that in 2015 a nuclear war would begin. And Russia will start it and win.

There will be no nuclear war. No one will start it. The mess in Ukraine will last another two years. There will be elections, re-elections and more. Southeast conquer banderlog will not succeed. The people will gradually mature and in 2017-18 Ukraine (or whatever remains of it) will join the Customs Union. So one astrologer predicted. Let's eat that he did not lie.

[VNP1958PVN]

The common saying of the inhabitants of Odessa, we do not fight, we trade! What can not be torn off! No offense, but time hoping for an uncle, sit out, it seems over!

[Cubit]

The army has not yet been introduced. They would have created a Russian PMC and the Donbass militia as if "paid" for their services for public donations. And there to invite volunteers, Cossacks and, in general, everyone who really wants to help the brothers.

[Arkan]

Behind all this bloody story, we can clearly distinguish the handwriting of Western provocateurs.

[tyumen901]

Someone drew attention to the news twist the same pictures, almost a few days in a row, and these pictures are such that the hair stands on end, Vladimir is silent.
They seem to be preparing, rallying us.
PS Purely my opinion.

[suomi]

Why didn’t Putin send troops? And you read the comments on Ukrainian sites. Are they waiting for us there?
http://censor.net.ua/video_news/283765/rossiyiskiyi_boevik_v_odesse_rasstrelivae


t_ukrainskih_aktivistov_iz_akm_pod_prikrytiem_militsii_shokiruyuschee



http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/283798/arestovano_tri_boevika_iz_rossii_provokat


orov_poboischa_v_odesse_fotoreportaj

[stas132]

Absolutely, the people of Ukraine have not yet ripened. Those with weapons in their hands are a miser. So while we wait, although it hurts my heart to stupor.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: stas132

Absolutely, the people of Ukraine have not yet ripened

What’s true, do you even look at what site he gives the link

[2log]

Quote: yurasumy

Now I answer the question. Why Putin did not send troops. What for? In Donbass and Lugansk the situation is stable.

Well, yes, now why, and then there’s no reason when everyone rolls out in brts. There are not our brothers, but actors of your theater, you would have more popcorn and beer.

[Zhenya]

Do not think with emotions, think with your head. What is happening is monstrous, but you need to think without emotions.

[stranik]

[hide] [/ hide] http://youtu.be/6UBbbHt-cWo
Rehearsal for Victory Day in Sevastopol

[Zhenya]

You can’t get into Ukraine - this is the third world! It is necessary to help with specialists, weapons, medicines and professional personnel - this is the best option.

[Evrepid]

I wrote this a week ago. listed by points what we are now obliged to help.
here is my post:
At the moment, it is necessary to help financially, namely:
- small arms (machine guns, machine guns, pistols, etc.)
- equipment (armored vehicles for personnel, light vehicles BMP / BTR)
- honey. equipment (medicines, medical equipment, hospital care for the wounded in the Crimea, etc.)
- training (volunteers are instructors, preferably natives from the Ukrainian territories, from the same Kharkov, Donbas, as far as I remember there were 15 such people in my company)
- information support (information war in all types of media)

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Evrepid

At the moment, it is necessary to help financially, namely:

And why did the T-72 tanks, Mi-28 helicopters, "drying" helicopters, "Smerch" MLRS regret it? And instructors: “there are 15 people in a company!” Why waste time on trifles: Taman and Kantemirovsk divisions! Ryazan, Tula airborne brigades! And do not forget the Black Sea Fleet! Let's launch a submarine in the steppe of Ukraine!

[sergerz]

The arrivals of American teachers and the actions of the junta correlate very well. The version presented in the article is consistent, only the events in Georgia and Ukraine show what the American leadership requires. What noodles hang right-wing idiots do not matter, the main tasks of American teachers are fulfilled. And if you do not execute, there will be no place for the junta after the collapse of Ukraine in the states. That junta and bends as it can. But they will pay for Odessa, that's for sure.

[rassel0889]

This event should be a cold shower for the whole zombie Dill !!!
Masks were dropped, so that they would not speak in secret to the media, 40 dead alive in the fire can not be justified by anything!

[Sunflower]

unfortunately there is not any soul there they are all rabid zombies, rejoiced that so many people were burned ..... Ukraine died ....

[mackonya]

I don’t think that the blocking in the building of the Trade Union and the setting on fire was on the wave of “emotional” impulse and “feeling of blood”. The script had been prepared in advance and the result was precisely the setting fire to the buildings, because such a quantity of fuel and bottles for the Maidanutyh cocktail had to be prepared in advance. Everyone saw who was making the "blanks", everyone saw how the Interior Ministry officers supported the "punishers". This "mass" murder was needed by the scriptwriter with only one purpose - to make people angry against each other, only now the Western scriptwriters have forgotten that any action has opposition and the murders in the House of Trade Unions will be remembered by many and this should unite the cities of the South-East for a mass protest If, after 250 victims (killed and wounded), many will continue to siphon off, then Ukraine will be in chaos for a long time.

[Andrei L.]

Those who wear the St. George ribbons Bandera shushera (deduced and kept on the money of the Americans) calls Colorado - forgetting where this vile insect came from and spread, so who else is Colorado is a big question

[Hamul]

Quote: aleks700

Not. We cannot become like the fascists. Just a headshot.

it's too humane

[kartalovkolya]

Yes, things have gone so far that it is time to prepare an "Indictment" against the scoundrels from the junta who organized the burning of civilians in Odessa, and one should not expect that the West, guilty of all the outrages perpetrated by the junta, will come out against its "sons of the Sukkah!" a bullet in a dull head!

[Uzer 13.]

Be careful with matches. Troops on the territory of another state just do not enter.

[Agent 008]

The question is what? In my opinion, our troops should enter in order to "separate" the belligerent parties, that is, to be peacekeepers ... Civil war is flaring up! Sanctions are nonsense compared to the fact that INNOCENT PEOPLE'S BLOOD FLOWS! They write that they say now the Donbass will certainly rise and the junta's cover. But the junta has an army that has orders to suppress the uprising at any cost! Conclusion: Nothing WILL STOP THERE BY ITSELF, THE BLOOD WILL SPILL AND THERE WILL BE SENSE TO WAIT FOR THAT ITSELF! There will simply be MORE corpses, that's all ...

[Dave36]

Well, yes ... come in ... we’ll separate ... and our soldiers will be killed by Ukrainians ... and what to do ?? Burn to the borders with Poland ?? (this is according to VV Zhirinovsky))

[jgthfnjh]

[i] Why didn’t Putin bring in troops? And you read the comments on Ukrainian sites. Are they waiting for us there?
http://censor.net.ua/video_news/283765/rossiyiskiyi_boevik_v_odesse_rasstrelivae

t_ukrainskih_aktivistov_iz_akm_pod_prikrytiem_militsii_shokiruyuschee [b]

yes, because until most Ukrainians get it, whoever they have in power will not get through with blood, unfortunately, until most of the seeds stop biting on the TV, waiting for how this whole bum will end (and I'll stay at home for now), until they sincerely wish that they would be helped, until they feel that there is a threat to their life and their children, there is no need to send troops (otherwise they will sit by the TV set and watch the next military show, now with the participation of the Russian military). troops will need to be supplied with current at a time when the vast majority (at least in the southeast) will meet them only as liberators from mortal danger.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: jgthfnjh

And you read the comments on Ukrainian sites. Are they waiting for us there?

You put a link to the comments of the Censor and say that they are not waiting for us there
You still expressed the opinion of Turchinov or Farion regarding the introduction of our military

[Vladimir73]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NwMQNrQM-Y
http://napaki.livejournal.com/100072.html

look, only without unnecessary emotions.

And watch the video at the end of this link
http://ai-zhilin.livejournal.com/1360753.html

There are practically no emotions there, everything is calm and balanced. I especially liked the police and the buses with tinted windows from the back of the building.

In my opinion, the conclusion is unambiguous - the same as the "Heavenly Hundred" only pensioners, activists got under the distribution (bullet wounds in the burned-out guys ...)

[suomi]

There are not residents of Ukraine write comments? The abomination is that almost all young people and middle-aged Ukrainians think so. They have long been zombied.

[Vladimir73]

I'm not talking about comments, but about videos komenty is sometimes interesting and if you compare their tone with what it was a month ago ... there is progress

[Lukich]

Quote: jgthfnjh

otherwise they will sit by the TV set and watch the next military show, the current is now with the participation of the Russian military

Well, this is not the worst option. most likely they will start shooting our guys in the back

[Kramoles]

And it seems to me that everything should be resolved by May 9th. I don’t know exactly how, but there will be something and this will cause severe diarrhea among ukrofashists.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Kramoles

And it seems to me that everything should be resolved by May 9

Traditionally, on May 9, a lot of military units were parade in parades. Therefore, I doubt that until 9, later it is likely.

[Lukich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Traditionally, on May 9, a lot of military troops were paraded in parades.

Well, not so much) the more technology there is all with dummies)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Lukich

Well, not so much) the more technology there is all with dummies)

Kamchatka, Khabarovsk and Vladivostok, so a good half of the L / C.

[Lukich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Kamchatka, Khabarovsk and Vladivostok, so a good half of the L / C.

well, so half) one company of each kind of troops, this is clearly not half)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

it’s not Serbia anymore, it’s already the Russian world and it looks like the point of no return has already been passed.
it is especially scary when you read our homegrown librast-shitcrats, the comments on the "ear" are striking in their abomination and, apart from hatred, do not cause anything, but these commentators will shoot in the back if something happens

[polly]

So, our legislators must stop suffering because we are holier than the pope of Rome in matters of freedom of speech, and act in an American way in this matter. After all, this postulate is only in words, but in reality, citizens pulled their tongue into an inappropriate place and are afraid to move it even against the government.

[RAA]

The American establishment "dreams" of expanding Russia's borders to Poland. At least, everything is being done for this. Historical experience suggests that borders expanded when the need arose to neutralize another threat.

[Uncle Dima]

There is an analogy from 1914. The Austrians threatened the Serb brothers and unfortunately our not far-sighted Nicholas II became involved in the First World War. Similarly, now, the Nazis controlled by the geyrope and am trying to drag us into this conflict, then to hang all the dogs in Russia. Anglo-Saxons have the same methods. Nothing new.
By the way, I am reading the book of our Minister of Culture Medinsky, the series "Myths about Russia". And there is a small paragraph about the president, and so the portrait of Peter I weighs in the office of the GDP. I advise everyone to read.

[samoletil18]

Quote: Uncle Dima

the book of our Minister of Culture of Medina,

Before the movie "Stalingrad", he was attached to his words and usually supported. But now ... I hope he is being rehabilitated.

[tokens2]

I think that before introducing troops, you need to give the Ukrainian military the right to choose ... not to be with those who spit on the common memory of our ancestors, calling them "Colorades".
Watching silently how Russians will be cut and burned means leading Russia to collapse. Well, after ... how the right of choice will be given ...
I understand that there are still other "interested" NATO parties.
There is another option ... to announce to the world that we are Russians and forget that there is such a nation-Russians.
I can of course be mistaken for emotions. The authorities are more aware of the fact that it and the power to weigh everything.

[Giant thought]

The heart is breaking with pain from what happened and from our helplessness of the people. We can only express our solidarity on the Internet with the people of the southeast and condolences. And our government is silent, and this is the most burdensome.

[Papania]

I am joining. I grieve! Fists are clenched from the fact that I can’t even take one to the next world ....

[Papania]

I am joining. I grieve! Fists are clenched from the fact that I can’t even take one to the next world ....

[Santechnik1997]

The people of the southeast are militants from Chechnya and an employee of the Russian GRU + "Berkut", who killed people on the Maidan. Wake up, Russians, there was no armed coup in Ukraine, there was a sniper shooting of participants in a protest action against the violation of the rights and freedoms of the entire population of all Ukraine.
Depressive Lugansk and Donetsk were robbed by Yanukovych and his team back in the 90s, and then they wanted to enslave the whole of Ukraine with the flow of the government of the Russian Federation. What is happening there today is attempts to destabilize the situation in the country, disrupt the elections and retain the power of local oligarchs.
The shooting of people on the Maidan, the escape of Yanukovych and all current events is the Kremlin’s scenario for the revival of the USSR. But Ukraine does not want this, we have been independent for 23 years, a generational change has taken place and the ideals of the USSR are alien to us.

[Agent 008]

Quote: Marrying

Do not think with emotions, think with your head. What is happening is monstrous, but you need to think without emotions.

Excuse me of course, but it’s impossible to perceive without emotion how people are burned alive and killed by innocent people! If you only think with your head, without passing through your heart and soul, then what will we all be worth? I’m an adult man, and then I get a lump in my throat when I see this monstrous lawlessness, and even the cynicism of the USA and the West knows no boundaries at all ... Well, yes, they only think with their heads ...

[Zomanus]

I'm afraid to make a mistake, but it seems Odessa will say its word. http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic800431.html

[Nina Czerny]

The terrible tragedy in Odessa was, of course, planned and is a demonstration of the determination of the current Bandera regime not to stop at any sacrifice. This is a demonstrative punitive action. But I just can’t understand whether in all of Odessa there were only these unfortunate 500 or 300 pro-Russian people. Why didn't anyone come to their aid? Is it really only old people and women in Odessa who still have the courage to express and defend their opinions? Shame on Odessa residents! But what struck me more than this crowd of frostbitten young Banderlogs was the complete indifference and calmness of the so-called. police standing around the burning building and the dying people. Whatever and how happens in the future, it is absolutely clear that one part of the inhabitants of Ukraine hates the other so much that they are not only ready, but are already burning and destroying those who disagree with them, as the Nazis did.

[Papania]

The same question, one and a half thousand Banderlogs gave Odessa cancer

[Papania]

The same question, one and a half thousand Banderlogs gave Odessa cancer

[Zomanus]

We just didn't expect this. They thought they would fight and run away, as usually happened. Well, now they will give the return in all seriousness. Right now it’s mourning, but on Monday, after the funeral, cleanup will begin. If it doesn’t start, then it will lose its status as a hero city, in my eyes for sure.

[socrates7]

Have you noticed with what frenzy the police pushed the victims in the trade union building into paddy wagons? It is clear that this was a planned action to intimidate Odessa residents and all those who disagree. The involvement of the current junta in this provocation is obvious.

[Palych9999]

I do not understand...
Someday and somehow all this will end in Ukraine.
But how will such different communities, such as Westerners and Russian-speaking people, live together in one country?
What is so actively “soaked” with the blood of people cannot be forgotten or forgiven by either one or the other.
They still have to survive both May 9 and May 25.
And how to live then?
I do not know ...

[wanderer987]

The Bendery Nazis must be severely punished, even to the point of physical destruction, this infection has sprouted new shoots, fed by the finances of the USA AND EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, Western puppeteers can no longer control these mad dogs that have drunk human blood. And I deal with a mad dog in a well-known way. It is absolutely necessary that everyone who participates, funds and leads
in the events in Ukraine, in the repressions against his people, he suffered the most severe punishment, especially all of the above applies to the Ukrainian military, who vilely betrayed their people, THIS SHAME OF BETRAYAL THEY WILL NEVER WASH AWAY FROM THEMSELVES!!!

[Aleksey11]

Maybe the Ukrainians of the South-East should not fight at home, but go to Kyiv and decide EVERYTHING, so to speak, on the spot.
Now the Maidanuts are putting pressure on everyone there, and the combat detachments of those who do not want to live under the orders of the National Radicals may well change this.
It is necessary to transfer the fighting to the territory of the “enemy”, and then there are also the PEOPLE OF KIEV!!!, who consider themselves to be the “elite” of Ukraine. Did they stick their tongue up their “ass”??? Or are they satisfied with the current government?

[Yarik]

Humpty (1) Today, 07:16
NATO bombed Serbia after showing two dozen and hastily dressed Albanian sadists.
How many more Russians must be killed by the Bandera reptiles to be crushed by a steam rink.
Banderlog will have to die.


It’s time for Russia, in the person of some of its representatives, to take the American language out of the American place where it (the language) is usually found and let it loose.

[Shadowcat]

The article asks but does not answer the question - Why? Why didn’t they send in troops after such blatant lawlessness and aggression on the part of the Nazis?
The whole answer is very simple - Provocation. If you look a little more broadly and in a much more rotten and foul-smelling form of big politics, use this as a reason for sending troops, then public opinion (that prostitute) will say that it was Russia that staged this provocation. With all my respect to the dead, but what do they mean in big politics? Nothing. Just statistical numbers, nothing more.
It’s like back on the 22nd of 1941 (oh, on the eve of Victory Day), it is necessary to make sure that the mosquito does not undermine the nose, so that no one has any doubts and it is impossible to distort that Russia is a defensive and not an aggressive side here. So that after seeing all this, the world community will side with Russia. I think many people are already noticing, despite the corruption of the media, people are gradually starting to wonder - why is Russia to blame if the EU and NATO are working in Ukraine?
This is precisely the reason for not sending troops, despite such considerable sacrifices in the South-East.

[try]

watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96X3F8Ecn3c somewhere from 15 minutes

[Shadowcat]

I watched the first ten minutes. I can say that this is “beautiful nonsense” from my position on Ukraine. They say one thing, think a third, mean a fifth. It really feels like it’s being staged. The presenter constantly intervenes in the narrator’s answer, adding what is necessary.

[Zaputina]

this scum needs to be impaled first

[Horn]

One million people of Odessa! Are the ashes of those burned in the House of Trade Unions not beating your hearts? Don’t you hate to eat sausage while smelling the smell of fried human flesh in the air?
The burnt offering (holocaust) occurred. The Yaitsenyukhs-Trupchinovs-Kalomoishas and other representatives of the chosen people sacrificed the inhabitants of Odessa to Yahweh. This is the first victim. Symbolic. There will be more to come:
"And Moses stood at the gate of the camp and said: Who is the Lord's, come to me! And all the sons of Levi gathered to him. And he said to them, Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: put every man his sword on his thigh, go through the camp from the gate to gate and back, and kill every man his brother, every man his friend, every man his neighbor. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and of the people fell that day about three thousand men" (Ex. 32:25-29).
Was it not David, the chosen vessel of the Holy Spirit, who threw his defeated enemies, the enemies of God, under the saws and hammers? “And the people that were in it (in the defeated city), he brought out and put them under saws, under iron threshers, under iron axes, and threw them into kilns. And so he did to all the cities of the Ammonites” (2 Samuel 12:31) .
Get ready. The Khazar Kaganate 2.0 is being revived on its historical territory. I’m just afraid that neither Svyatoslav nor Mstislav is no more...

[nicollider]

the Khazars were in a slightly different place. quite so in another way, and the skills of the state. It’s as if the junta doesn’t have any construction

[Horn]

That's where the Khazars were. From the Caspian Sea to the Urals. And the Kyiv princes were their tributaries.

[kare]

100000300000+

[kare]

get ready. The Khazar Kaganate 2.0 is being revived on its historical territory. I’m just afraid that neither Svyatoslav nor Mstislav is no more...

Hold on to your post, Alexander, you will come under pressure
For many knowledges, many sorrows

[kit-kat]

Well, the first two paragraphs are clear, but then what kind of nonsense?

[VeteranS]

In the South-East there are more than 500 thousand people of miners alone, all of them are strong, healthy men who know how to handle weapons, but in fact only 1% of the total number is fighting with the junta’s punitive forces.... While the entire multi-million people of the South-East are as one , will not engage in mortal combat with Bandera’s evil spirits, Our President must calculate and weigh everything very accurately, a “hot” war with the USA and NATO may be at stake, and we must carefully prepare for it, including in Cuba.

[marder4]

as Papandopala said in the film “Wedding in Malinovka”: “it seems to me that we are on the threshold of a grandiose ruse”...

[USSR]

I want to see a worthy and adequate answer for what is happening in Ukraine; this answer should be on the territory of the United States.

[twin22]

Quote: papas-57

'' a handful of unarmed residents of Odessa opposed 1,5 imprisoned kams, where were the rest of Odessa residents ??? It's bad at heart. '' And most of the residents sit at home and wait for their `` older brother '', who must do everything for them. They themselves do not want to do anything, and they are scared and lazy. Apparently they are satisfied with this situation.

The old truth: “There are many good people, but the bad ones are better organized.”
In addition (my opinion), one should not think that Odessa really wants to become part of Russia or even federalize. Almost 62% of the population are Ukrainians, less than 30% are Russians. So, it is unlikely that Odessa residents (the majority) expect help (especially military help) from the GDP.
The fact that after all this horror only “a few hundred” protesting citizens gathered at the Ministry of Internal Affairs building is surprising to me personally.

[Aventurinka]

Today, a Russian-speaking resident of Odessa told me this: “It was the pro-Russians who provoked and enraged the crowd. And then all sorts of nasty things were shouted from the roof of the House of Trade Unions. So they started throwing bottles at them.”

[Aragorn]

Repost.

Just the facts:
Today near Duke there was a man of 20 Svidomo euromaidan. Although on ordinary days 100-200. On especially stubbornly dill-days, 400-500 people.
Many "pravosek" people are leaving Odessa. Those that cannot, close at home - hide, do not go out. They feel the hatred of Odessa. They know that they are already following them. And they really are already following - and for those who burned, and for those who fired, and for those banderovkas that poured gasoline ... and for those who jumped for joy over the burnt bodies.
In Vkontakte, more than 500 profiles of "pravoseks" of Odessa have been deleted. Juvenile svidomye scum hiding, removing traces. But it's useless - the databases have already been collected, with addresses, contacts, photographs.
Odessa is not well silent in lines, on the streets, in apartments. Odessa is evil. Odessa knows where the lie is. Odessa on Monday will bury the guys. Odessa after the funeral will want the blood of the yellow-blue Nazis.
Odessa betrayed. They deceived and betrayed very serious people. These people do not forgive such a thing - they do not forgive scammers and threats to their business. Kiev betrayed them.
Last night, the first "Pravosek" already went to Bandera. Serious people went to his house and cut his throat in full view of their relatives. The police issued it as a household item. Nobody will investigate. The militiamen are also children of Odessa. They are in pain for Mom, they will not forgive the burnt children.
The power of the Nazis in Odessa rests only on non-resident mercenaries. Fifteen hundred hired by Nemirovsky. And three hundred - Usov's bandits. But they are strangers - they are afraid of Odessa. And when Odessa has a weapon - and it will be available soon - the mercenaries will run like cockroaches. Or will be crushed.
Odessa is no longer Ukraine.
"Right Sector" = death. Everyone who participated in the "Right Sector" is marked by death. Every "pravosek" all over Ukraine will celebrate the New Year in a warm place, safely hiding from snow and frost under two meters of ground.

PS And I ask you, friends, do not call the guys who died in Odessa the “Odessa Hundred”. Please do not. They did not deserve to have this shameful Maidan slogan stuck to them. The “Heavenly Hundred” is a false myth, bought three times and sold ten times, like Bandera and Shukhevych. Don’t disgrace the brave 38 guys from Odessa with even a hint of the scum of the Maidan. Let's call 38 guys from Odessa “heroes of May 2”.

Source: http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic800431.html

[Zhaman-Urus]

Odessa was silent, preferring to trade rather than defend the right to one’s opinion, even if not one’s own, but the very opportunity to think differently than the junta! And now these are just beautiful words and fairy tales about how we will find everyone and take revenge on everyone. It's too late, next time you will be slaughtered like sheep...

[Horde]

Quote: Aragorn

http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic800431.html

HUNDRED PLUSES TO YOU...

[Aleksey11]

To be honest, my only wish is not to become like these nonhumans in my rage.
I have no doubt that Odessa residents will not forgive, and will simply not leave everything unanswered.

[Aleksey11]

Well, who said that let’s burn and kill like the Nazis. Show your face - "patriot"

[Sunflower]

I think it’s not difficult to bombard the houses of the Pravoseks with Molotov cocktails...or is Odessa not capable of this?

[kit-kat]

I think it would be right to create small groups to eliminate those involved in the murders in the house of trade unions. And act slowly, but systematically.

[Horn]

3,14 here! Don't wishful thinking. They will stick their tongues into the toad and remain silent. Just like the people of Kyiv. Like everything in this territory, due to a misunderstanding or oversight, it was called a “country”. By the state. God! It's just Orkostan! They have fun like little kids who are skipping dragging a garbage can in Odessa, they jump like savages in squares, they believe in their own exclusivity and create a new mythology and history in which the ancient Ukrainians are the ancestors of monkeys.
These subhumans living in the territory of the under-country will simply heroically scribble comments and celebrate victories achieved in virtual battles. "Warriors of Narnia", damn it!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Aragorn

Let's call 38 guys from Odessa “heroes of May 2”.

Come on! May they be in the memory of decent people! May their shed blood serve as an alarm for the “sleeping” Odessa, for the “comatose” Ukraine.

[kit-kat]

We need to remember this day and the fallen. But there is no need to rush to become heroes. After all, heroes are born in battles. And these unfortunate people were simply killed. They are victims.

[jPilot]

May those who died for freedom rest in peace, eternal memory! The fascists, the fascists who prepared Molotov cocktails, face a “harsh” death against the unarmed.

[Horn]

Take revenge, Vainakh, damn it:
http://smi2.mirtesen.ru/blog/43433363416/Vyichislenyi-maloletnie-fashistki-s-Ode
ssyi? utm_campaign = transit & utm_source = main & utm_medium = page_3 & pad = 1

[twin22]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: jgthfnjh

And you read the comments on Ukrainian sites. Are they waiting for us there?

You put a link to the comments of the Censor and say that they are not waiting for us there
You still expressed the opinion of Turchinov or Farion regarding the introduction of our military

The southeast is not Crimea. Someone is waiting for help, but many will shoot in the back... There is information from colleagues who had communication with residents of the central regions of Ukraine that they are actually preparing for war (they are purchasing food, weapons)

[tundra]

You read perestroika authors about the bloody Stalin and come across anti-heroes, former Bandera and Vlasovites in the camps, after all, they served time and went home, this is the result of the humanity of the Stalinist system, which is echoing now. And who screamed the most about the tyrant STALIN and who is now proposing to hang, burn kill, most of all. Nation? What if they just burned down some Jewish meeting? Even without casualties. AND THE RUSSIANS CAN BE SILENT IN THE WORLD!!!!! THEY ALL

[tundra]

S.U.K.I. !!!!!!

[Aventurinka]

Quote: platitsyn70

probably it's time to drive troops

Who told you that our troops are waiting there? I understand that I am picking up negatives, but I no longer have the energy to read this.
From what I see with my own eyes, several hundred people in each locality are speaking out against the current “government” of Ukraine. In Odessa... out of 1 million people, 300 are supporters of federalization. Why would less than 1% of the city’s population have the right to dictate their opinion to 1 million people? I admit that 300 thousand men of Odessa think “it’s scary, they’ll cope without me, I’ll sit on the couch, and Russia will do everything, my house is on the edge...”, etc., and they themselves would be glad to send troops, but So far there is a fact - supporters of federalization constitute a catastrophic minority. Democracy is the same. The majority decides. And the majority (including those whom I know personally, although I doubt their sanity) think so - Russia is to blame for everything. It is Russia that is deliberately escalating the situation and supporting the separatists. If it weren’t for them, we would already be preparing for elections and living peacefully and happily. But it’s okay, the valiant Ukrainian army will save us.
Even in anti-Maidan groups, the majority of subscribers are citizens of the Russian Federation. The bulk of Ukrainians are subscribed to groups like “Maindan - Euromaidan - Right Sector”.
After all this, explain to me why to destroy our soldiers? For the sake of several thousand opponents of the junta? So let's take them to Russia. Or maybe so that this fraternal people at the genetic level begins to perceive us as occupiers, not 50%, but in full force?

[mirexes]

I completely agree with you, the Ukrainians themselves must make their choice whether homosexuality or normal people are closer to them, no one will make this choice for them. I also don’t want this million to be shot in the back later on by our troops.

[ole]

Well written, I agree with everything, if you don’t want to live with the Bendera people, go to Russia, there’s plenty of room for everyone, but there’s no need to drag us into war.

[MG42]

Quote: Aventurinka

Even in anti-Maidan groups, the majority of subscribers are citizens of the Russian Federation. The bulk of Ukrainians are subscribed to groups like “Maindan - Euromaidan - Right Sector”.

Where did you get this from??
And then they sign up just to be aware of what they are up to, not the fact that they are fans.
Don’t succumb to Svidomo’s propaganda, otherwise little green men, all citizens of the Russian Federation, in self-defense you can get to this point and read Censor. No.

[Aventurinka]

Quote: MG42

read Censor. No.

The problem with Ukrainian history is that, in addition to the different versions of events presented by the media, many have TOO MANY real people whom we have known for a long time and who live in Ukraine. What will be more reliable - read some website or write/call a real person and ask?

And in addition to all this, it doesn’t hurt to think with your own head, because... looking from afar is not always bad, it allows you to see the whole picture (or most of it).
You have the right to think differently - judging by the flag, you have more such acquaintances . I have other information.
The top leadership of the Russian Federation may even have a third version.

[MG42]

Quote: Aventurinka

I have other information

The whole of Ukraine is one thing, the South-East is another matter. There is nothing to do there on the other side of the Dnieper, there are too many banderlogs there.
We have a different problem = a passive pro-Russian majority, which is waiting for the scales to finally tip.

[Aventurinka]

Quote: MG42

We have a different problem = a passive pro-Russian majority, which is waiting for the scales to finally tip.

Well, that's what I'm talking about.

[Polarfox]

Odessa. Immediately after the fire.

[onizhe]

There were 200-300 people there, mostly old men and women (no more than 100 men), who could not offer any resistance to the attackers ten times outnumbered.
Where were the others? Why did they sit at home indifferently? Maybe we are exaggerating the desire of the residents of the southeast for liberation from the power of the Westerners? Where are the young people, maybe they are already Westerners? In such a situation, troops cannot be sent in. Even if 50% support Russia, the other 50% do not. Only a referendum can provide real numbers, so our country’s efforts should now be diplomatic, not military. We must persistently implement the idea of ​​a referendum. You can’t put pressure on the states directly, but there are other countries, even in the EU. To poke their noses at the crimes of the Nazis, especially Germany and Austria (for some reason they always forget about the latter, although the anti-Nazi legislation there is stricter than in Germany, and it was they who gave birth to the Westerners). There are China, India, Brazil. They, too, will be able to support Russia in a peaceful resolution of the crisis. Only based on the results of the referendum will we be able to understand the real state of affairs in Ukraine. And already there you can decide, and in a balanced way, and not on a hot head. I am sure that our Western partners are just waiting for sharp movements from us in order to declare our actions illegal.

[papas-57]

''Only a referendum can provide real numbers.'' Referendum, referendum... . Do not forget - it is not the one who votes who chooses, but the one who counts.

[Lelek]

Only the unification of the southeastern regions into one fist will make it possible to survive and win this war. And this is a real war of the Russian world with old enemies - the Anglo-Saxons. And this war is for the extermination of the Slavic, Russian.

[autonomous]

http://napaki.livejournal.com/100072.html

[RusOdessa]

Quote: wasjasibirjac

and where was the rest of Odessa, when the aliens were killing? why did the millionth city pose only 500-700 banderlogs in a pose? there are questions - no answers.

As an Odessa resident I answer:
1. The complete surprise of what happened.
2. 4 days off, 22 degrees warm, sea, sun, dacha, barbecue..... Many left on April 30th.
3. Lack of an armed, organized resistance unit of immediate readiness.
4. The most important thing is that the city authorities and the police, who were greeted from the Maidan 2 months ago as heroes, surrendered the city to the Banderlogs, and on the side of the attackers there are many Odessa residents with brainwashed and hatred.
As cynical as it may sound, a lot more blood will be shed until the Ukrainians themselves understand who they brought to power.
In Ukraine, resistance is now only possible in the form of underground sabotage activities, and we cannot do without Russia’s help.
Any open protest activity by Badet is nipped in the bud (there are countless examples).

[mirexes]

Quote: RusOdessa

As an Odessa resident I answer:
1. The complete surprise of what happened.
2. 4 days off, 22 degrees warm, sea, sun, dacha, barbecue..... Many left on April 30th.
3. Lack of an armed, organized resistance unit of immediate readiness.
4. The most important thing is that the city authorities and the police, who were greeted from the Maidan 2 months ago as heroes, surrendered the city to the Banderlogs, and on the side of the attackers there are many Odessa residents with brainwashed and hatred.
As cynical as it may sound, a lot more blood will be shed until the Ukrainians themselves understand who they brought to power.
In Ukraine, resistance is now only possible in the form of underground sabotage activities, and we cannot do without Russia’s help.
Any open protest activity by Badet is nipped in the bud (there are countless examples).

Well now then let’s see if you’re telling the truth or are you just making excuses, I think 700 thousand people will crush anyone they want without weapons, it’s clear that 100 people can’t do anything even with weapons, if you’re right then soon the majority of Odessa will stand up and say their word, and if you're wrong, then Odessa residents will remain stupidly silent

[MAGGNUM]

Quote: platitsyn70

probably it’s time to lead the troops, how much it can go on mockery of the people.

Russian troops, which are now based on the peninsula, are put on high alert. This was reported by a source in the Russian army.

“The reason is the events in the Donbass and, now, in Odessa. First of all, we are talking about aviation, ”the source said.

In addition, according to eyewitnesses from different regions of the peninsula, in the afternoon Russian military planes and helicopters began to actively move around the Crimea.

“About 20 military aircraft, including Su-27 fighters, have just flown over Kirovsky towards Dzhankoy,” residents of the Kirovsky district of Crimea said.

Another witness said that several dozen Russian aircraft flew towards Belbek airport.

“Two transport planes were seen over Kerch several hours ago,” said one of the local residents.

Recall, according to Ukrainian experts, now in the 50-kilometer zone from the border of Russia with Ukraine there are up to 18 thousand Russian military.

The troops are ready, as I understand it, and are only waiting for an order, I personally don't give a damn about US sanctions.

What is the source?

[RAA]

All Crimeans see that preparations for the parade are in full swing.

[lance]

All I just want is for these Banderlogs to encounter actual Russian deversates in their lives! happiness to them.

[Belarus]

I watched footage of young children pouring cocktails and throwing them. There was a feeling that they were either out of their minds or that some kind of demon had possessed them. They got so much joy from burning people that it became scary that they would grow up if not stop them or not kill them alive. I don’t feel anything other than “love” for such creatures for one simple reason: I am a simple person, I tend to show anger and malice towards such creatures. Because if they are not stopped at least no matter what, they can come to my house tomorrow.

PS My sincere condolences to the families and friends of those killed at the hands of insane fascists. These murderers will get their due.

[MG42]

Apparently not enough blood has been shed, more is needed.
There are different armed protests, like in Donetsk and Lugansk, and peaceful ones, like in the Kharkov and Odessa regions. we must proceed from this.
More than once, Kharkov residents heroically marched with bats against the Right Sectors and Ultras, bringing them to their knees, the score of victories in our favor was 3:1.
The last time they were overtaken by 5, and no one went to fight; on our side there was nothing in our hands.
Here, of course, you can act like a hero on the Internet, running with a stick at an enemy with a firearm, now Avakov is semi-legally arming them "black subhumans"

[MG42]

And Odessa residents shouldn’t relax >>
Tymoshenko is preparing an attack on WWII veterans on May 9 Pravosekov >>

>>>>>>>>>

[Counter]

Quote: Andrey160479

.... Smells like World War 3.

The trick is that, unlike the first two, Amers will not be able to sit overseas in this case. They probably understand this.

[Taoist]

The heirs of the Khatyn executioners
We have created a memory for years ...
The fire burns and the cry of people breaks
And this is all in the name of whose Freedom?
The machine gun choked on malice
Fires flare up hotter
The puppeteer will pay for the video
As before, he paid for scalps.

[villi64]

Quote: Belarus

I watched footage of young children pouring cocktails and throwing them. There was a feeling that they were either out of their minds or some kind of demon had possessed them. They got so much joy from burning people

They think that they are making history, without realizing that they are creating a TRAGEDY for their country.

[Nikaviz]

The troops are not leading. until the population rises....of the entire southeast. % 70 sit and wait for SOMEONE to come and do everything for them... where are the people..!!!??? then 500 or 2000 people. this is WHAT is the population of each city...???? Where are people...???? WHERE IS THE UNITY AND MUTUAL HEALTH..??? All cities and towns are trying to do something alone... A UNITED FRONT IS NEEDED..!!!! YOU MUST UNITE..Otherwise you will mourn every day...and beat you one by one...Russia will only help when it sees THAT YOU ARE UNITED..

[MahsusNazar]

It has been written more than once that it is not worth covering the movements of our troops, no matter where they occur. Why the hell give information to those who are looking for it (and they are looking for it) and without making an effort they know our actions. There is no need to “help” your enemies. This is called high treason (and this has been written about extensively and with reason here)
As for Putin, remember, if he is silent, then something will happen, and it will be such that the “partners” will turn their fur coats up. This is not the first time that during serious events the president does not get in touch; this is the same case. When he speaks, we will all be stunned, because we don’t even imagine what step he will take, he will again amaze everyone. This is my answer to those “hysterics” and “hysterics” who criticize the president with might and main, and so confidently say that he is on vacation (the experts are weak-willed)

[Serge56]

Ukrainians, we must unite against the American-fascist Banderaites!
Urgently distribute posters everywhere - “Where are you, Minin and Pozharsky?!”

[Altor86]

Maybe not quite on topic. Now I went to my page in Odnoklassniki. I was stunned. A call for Russian mothers to take their sons home from Ukraine. And we are all scoundrels. And the annexation of Crimea was supported by 20% of Russians. Etc. and so on.

[Nikolay74]

My deepest condolences to the residents of Odessa and Eastern Ukraine. I’ll just say one thing: the right-wingers played the game. It’s not for nothing that they say, “When you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.”

[TCO]

Guys, what kind of troops. There they will not find understanding among themselves. My mother-in-law was talking with my cousin in Ukraine, so he quarreled with his daughter and son, they are behind the Maidan and call Russia occupiers and fascists. The youth have been so invisibly brainwashed that even the adults didn't notice how.

[Wels75]

It’s too early to introduce the RUSSIAN Armed Forces. As an option, planes fly straight from the parade in Crimea to Donetsk. This is a very serious decision and I do not envy GDP now. What a responsibility! Who knows how you will behave.
Victory will be ours! Don't go to grandma's HERE. But a little later.

[Twilight]

Guys, I really was sure that this looked like a provocation. In the first hours I was online, there were *members* with St. George ribbons and bandages made of red tape. But in the later frames they are NOT ANYWHERE!!! Somehow strangely, they evaporated and the HEROES who died in DomProf didn’t have a single piece of scotch tape NOTTTT!! The organizers of the punitive action were screwed... And now all sane people should understand WHO IS WHO...

[Aventurinka]

I’m also interested in who gave the command to retreat into the building????

[Lukich]

Quote: Aventurinka

I’m also interested in who gave the command to retreat into the building????

Well, what else could they do... they were surrounded on all sides((

[Aleksandr65]

It’s good that Sevastopol and the entire Crimea were saved from the fate of Odessa and Kramatorsk, but there is NO doubt that it would have happened there too!

[rocketman]

Quote: Argyn-Suindyk

Modern Ukrainians do not want to be part of the Russians, they want to be anyone, as long as they are not Russians, they want to deal with even the devil himself, as long as not with the Russians, and the desire to raise “their national consciousness, separate from the Russians,” by opposing comparison and elevating them to the level of their own exclusivity There is a special form of Nazism over the Russians - Ukrainian fascism!

It turns out that if you don’t want to be with the Russians, then you’re a fascist? Do not incite discord between the Slavs. I’m for friendship with Russia, I hate fascists, but I don’t want to be Russian. So why am I a fascist? no way you are wrong.

I served in Odessa for 6 years. I'm just shocked. I've walked in these places so many times. Someone directed this. And we need to be held accountable for this.
Here is another link, as for me, neutral about the events.
http://dumskaya.net/news/chto-v-dejstvitelnosti-proizoshlo-v-odesse-vcher-035355
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[Andrey44]

Don't bother. Be a Ukrainian, whoever you want to be. For example, in Kazan we have Orthodox churches, next to them are mosques, and next to them are synagogues and churches. And here we are all Russians. But pay attention when people are burned alive: Ukrainians, Russians, Jews... anyone! This is fascism. And among us: Ukrainians, Russians, Jews... (I don’t want to offend anyone, there are many more peoples to list) the genetic memory of those who were robbed, raped, hanged, shot, burned alive, tortured kindred spirits by the same fascists awakens. Try to judge...

[Argyn-suindyk]

You are territorially Ukrainians, but genetically you are Russians! I have seen enough of such “non-fascists” in the army (don’t be angry, I’m not talking about you) from Vinnitsa, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lutsk!

[Conrat83]

During the Olympics, Putin was silent. Then he answered. Crimea.

[Navuxonastupil]

Okay, the troops were brought in. The operetta army of the so-called Ukraine was rolled out on the ground in 5-10 days, and then what? And this does not take into account the reaction of the world community, because this is a separate song. It’s just a simple matter to kill these warriors. We reached Kyiv, hung Pastor the Dog, Yarosh and Yaytsenyukh with Porubiy and Avakov on lanterns. I agree. It’s a holy thing, a useful thing. Kalommoisky, the girl with a scythe, the mongrels from the parody of parliament along the Dnieper were sent to the sea under their own power...Also normal. And what next? And what to do with the MILLIONS of those who grew up without vaccination by Soviet power“Millions of those who since infancy and sincerely consider us enemies? They cannot be convinced. Driving trains to Siberia again? It’s expensive and unethical. We can’t handle this, oh, we can’t handle it, and a third world war is looming. Something else is needed here. I don’t geopolitician, not an armchair commander, I don’t have ready-made recipes. But I believe that we need to act with the enemy’s weapon. The enemy has been determined - the West, led by the USA. Let’s take their technology! We divide Ukraine according to historical justice: We annex the South-Eastern, we are annexing, not absorbing .Type of protectorate. We carry out quarantine measures for 5 years, when all the scum with an alien ideology “disappears somewhere”, we include the improved territory into Russia. We return the remaining territories that are ethnically and ideologically alien to Poland, Austria, Hungary and the Romanians. Everyone is happy.. .A curtain.

[naGua]

Right! Getting to Kyiv is not so difficult. Just try to straighten the minds of young people who, at the genetic level, have absorbed hatred of everything Russian. The worst thing is that some of them are ethnically Russian! This may be cruel, but I'll say it. Only when these programmed fools, who have tasted blood, will understand what pain and fear are. When they understand that working and living is better than running around with slogans and pouring mixture into bottles (I was horrified by the footage of girls pouring mixture with jokes), and what it’s like when you want to eat, but there’s nothing to eat, only then will they begin to think about it. Not all, I don’t indulge myself with groundless illusions. But the majority. Now I think with horror that the Gauleiters of Kyiv (the author is great, he chose the most precise definition!) are driving long-suffering Ukraine into such a famine that the Bolsheviks never dreamed of.

[dimedrol_1313]

I completely agree that everything that happens in the southeast can be stopped by the people themselves. Many acquaintances from the Donetsk region adhere to the position of OSTRICH. Nothing good will come of it this way.

[homosum20]

Yes, events show that it cannot. The Little Russian Ukrainian people cannot do anything. They are attacked by 15 thousand people... And there are hundreds of thousands of them. Nobody (99%) needs anything. They sit in their holes and think: it happened the day before yesterday, it happened yesterday, and it will happen today. And they don’t realize that it’s dysentery.

[nicolai64]

Yes, of course the case was started. But leaving part of the territory to the enemy for a bridgehead to Russia is also not an option. If you take it, that's it! And I’ll say this for people. I live among them myself. It’s disgusting! And another government will come, everyone will quickly change their colors and will assure of great love. One of them helped me. that it’s time to learn the Russian anthem? The people here are like that! Many have foulbrood. But they will seriously have to be thinned out, that’s a fact!

[homosum20]

And what are you with (I’m forcing myself, but “you”). “Are people like that here?” And “you”, then, are not the people? Without foulbrood?
And how do you plan to continue living among them? Just like them?
On April 1, I hired a man from the Lugansk region. Without meaning, of course. He doesn’t know Russian realities, he floats in the situation, but he cannot live among “YOU.” He doesn’t have the willpower to go and shoot, but he also can’t live with YOU, the rotten ones. For this I will pay him fifty dollars a month + bonus. He's at least a half decent person. And there is hope that his wife will raise his three children to be decent Russians. Therefore, he received an advance and went to Lugansk to move his family.
And “you” are wasting Ukraine and digging Russia’s grave.
Sincerely.

[nicolai64]

Well, since we’re getting personal, I’ll answer! I was and remain an officer and I was raised the right way! And the fact that we are left alone with our misfortune is a fact. And I never considered the Russians to be my enemies. And the fact that they appeared “with foulbrood” is not my fault, you also did not greatly influence the situation when the Americans wiped their feet on you under Yeltsin, and even now there are enough of those who want to destroy Russia . You were lucky that a man who loved his homeland, Putin, came. Now, of course, you can let loose your feathers and blame others for wasting the country. Instead of helping, on the contrary, you push away those who ask you with all their hearts for help. But leaving the country is not a problem, so just whether it will make you feel better. I think I know how to shoot and fight better than yours, only there are few of us! I already understand how a person becomes a little wealthier and can afford to pay someone else, then the people you take, including those from Ukraine, become “half decent” only because that you had the mercy to hire them. It’s not we who are ruining Ukraine, but you will soon ruin Ukraine. Slavs should live together and not allow themselves to make such statements!
With the same respect!

[s1н7т]

It’s nice that officers meet here (I wonder what university?), but it’s unpleasant to hear from a colleague - “you’ll soon ruin Ukraine,” why not US? We are one people, artificially divided, why are we following just anyone?

[homosum20]

I think many people won't like it. It's not my problem.
I look at what is happening and understand: on the one hand, people, 99% of whom are accustomed to what others think and do for them. On the other hand, there is a worldview that is completely alien to us and an irreconcilable hatred of what is foreign, a readiness at any cost to achieve what corresponds to their worldview.
Basically, an alien attack on a kindergarten.
I don’t even know who to sympathize with more. But it seems to me that many of the living will still have a chance to envy the dead.
I repeat once again - reality does not depend on whether its subjects like it or not.

[homosum20]

The admins scolded me here, but I want to add: We will also have the opportunity to regret the cowardice of the Kremlin. There are 800 km between Ukraine and Kazakhstan. One good tank strike, or a hotbed of tension - and everything south of Volgograd (including Volgograd itself) will be cut off from us. Including the Crimean victory.
The bifurcation point was passed and Turchinov used it. We will still have the opportunity to regret the Kremlin’s cowardice. But there will be no sympathizers for us (there are none in the world even now).
And yet - over 53 years of life, I have understood one simple truth - the truth is the truth. You can say it, you can not say it - nothing changes.
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I don't like my comment.
And it has long been said - “there is no point in blaming the mirror if your face is crooked...”. This is me talking about myself. Not about you.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: homosum20

One good tank strike, or a hotbed of tension - and everything south of Volgograd (including Volgograd itself) will be cut off from us. Including the Crimean victory.

Is your last name Khramchikhin?

[Kasym]

homosum20. And in Kazakhstan they greeted us with bread and salt. This is too much, even for Washington strategists.
Do you really think that the Kremlin is showing cowardice? The provisional government (junta) itself is turning the population against itself. She was told in Washington that they would give a loan to the IMF if they (the junta) took control of all of Ukraine, otherwise the assistance (amount) would be revised. Therefore, everything we see is just the beginning. Help will only be “underground”, in my opinion. In extreme cases, PMCs or “volunteer” specialists. The West does not recognize the presence of its “specialists”, why should the Russian Federation do everything openly? GDP will play a more subtle game here. Bringing in your troops means clashes and losses (this is not Crimea). And as a result: relations will be the same as now between Russians and Poles. Russia, no matter what happens in the end, will be extreme as always. Why is this necessary? Economic and social conditions are deteriorating (Ukraine is on the verge of default, salaries and pensions are not enough, the exchange rate is rising, everything is becoming more expensive). Metallurgists and miners are already unhappy. That is, there are more and more dissatisfied people. And then there are these “movements” of the army and the Right Sectors with the ultras. For the junta, there is less and less room for “maneuvers” - time and money in the treasury. Therefore, they will go all-in to get a new pie to cut. Therefore, they will sin no less. All this needs to be documented.
I wonder what they will do in the fall when the heating season is just around the corner? What is it like to bow to the Kremlin? They will crawl on their own. Junta or junta - who will be at the helm when they squabble among themselves. But it’s a fact that they will crawl.

[kapitan281271]

We don’t need illusions to the east, we won’t go to the East, GDP’s balls are of course iron, but not to that extent, we just can’t reach the east, not economically, not politically, although the hands of the bitch are clenched from anger and powerlessness and it’s a shame to look into the eyes of a 13-year-old son, because I’m a man and I have to protect my own !

[ODIN ASS]

there is a difference... when you are buried in a thread alley. with fittings... like a dog... there will be no one to look your son in the eye.

[La xnumx]

There is an old, proven method. Shoot Bandera's monkey house one at a time. Methodically. And turn innocent eyes to the screeching of Western ghouls.

[Andrey44]

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And who are you respected by nationality? In the Donbas, they are not just the same Russians as in Russia, they are more Russian because they are fighting for their Russianness, without outside help, almost without weapons (there are very few of them), almost without leaders (who are kidnapped and killed).

Once again, in the millionth of Odessa, after the killing of 40 people, the next day a couple of hundred people came to the police department. And at the very peak (that is, not as usual) there were no more than 40 thousand demonstrations in the DNR on the streets. What percentage of the population? And now we are comparing with Crimea and its referendum result.

That is the question. is it worth fitting in for the whole of the DNI, then to get a bullet in the back? Wherever there was unanimity, we helped, and Transnistria, and in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and in Crimea. In the DPR, and even more so in Odessa, this is still a long way off. Even ATO cannot lead people to fight.

Unfortunately, there is truth in this. For example, Crimea unconditionally entrusted its future to Russia - therefore Russians (I emphasize - not only Russians by nationality, but all Russians) have kindred feelings for all Crimeans and a great desire to help, because now ours; and I’d rather go to my native Crimea (childhood memories) than to the dirty Turks and annoying Egyptians.
Brotherly pain to the militias of the South East! But, where are their vaunted miners (in shock - they are on strike only for an increase in their wages and are ready to feed the Westerners?), in reality, “the house is on edge”? It seems that until the Nazis burn them and cut them down, they will not rise. They harness the same thing for a long time...
We hope and believe the GDP - it must have an adequate solution. After Odessa, we want it tough.

[ODIN ASS]

We hope and believe the GDP - it must have an adequate solution. After Odessa, we want it tough. What exactly “hard” did you all want???? I don’t want it anyway!!!!

[Prjanik]

Do you understand that what happened in Odessa was clearly organized precisely for this purpose, to anger the Russians, with the hope of a harsh reaction? The junta is earning money from the amers, provoking you to aggression, and Putin to invade, but, as they said above, until the entire South-East stands up, no one will send in troops. And we need this war to survive, in the very near future.

[ODIN ASS]

on your fingers....: when a neighbor has a squirrel and he chops up his wife (RUSSIAN OF COURSE), you will go to intercede?????..judging by the above, yes!)))...ok...ah if all neighbors have squirrels at once???????)))...that's it!!!

[Prjanik]

If you are so impatient, go ahead, you can cross the border, and you can get weapons. And at the state level, the stakes are now very high.

[Kuguar]

Quote: Own

Probably getting ready for the parade (official version)

Unfortunately, it's really just a parade.
Until May 9th you will see the whole cavalcade again.

And there is nowhere to use heavy ones (you can’t compare Kyiv, not all maydauns are there, people live there too).
But the rooks in Slavyansk could work.