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Has not died yet, but already decomposes

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Two days of hostilities in the East did not bring any positive result to the junta. No, in the reports everything is in order - the stages are going, everything is according to plan, there is some delay in the schedule, but confidence in the desired outcome is complete.


Has not died yet, but already decomposes


In fact, so far behind the junta are only those places that the militia could not physically defend - such as a TV tower near Slavyansk. Blockheads “taken” with a fight in the form of hundreds of tires were not originally a defensive line - they were only signal lights — nothing more. To disgrace and declare that such a checkpoint is “under control” is idiotic, especially since it was erected in a few tens of minutes in another place, on which everything returned to its original one.

In fact, except for the murder of several dozen people, most of whom are local residents, there is nothing for the punishers to present. There is not a single “captured” settlement, there are no captured or at least bodies of “terrorists”. There are only corpses.

The tactics of the punishers in two days have already formed: shelling - go to the point - kill or drive away by shooting - we fix - we take pictures - we leave. Today’s storming of Kramatorsk is one-on-one with such a tactic. They drove in — shot at — left.

Why such a tactic is chosen is clear. There are no forces for carrying out a full-fledged anti-terrorist operation even in Kramatorsk. Given that in Kramatorsk, as can be judged, only a dozen or a half armed people. Plus a dozen three local with shotguns and traumatic weapons. Plus, the population hostile to the punishers is a clip of the "entry" into the city of the Nazis and the hot meeting of the locals is only a confirmation of this. Thick mate - all that meets the "liberators".

The ATO is more and more like a report to the leadership than to real actions. There is no result and will not be - already obvious. Even having killed all the “saboteurs” and armed local ones (and under the direction of Strelkov, as the commander of all the armed forces of the Southeast, as he said, there are about 2,5 thousand people - apparently, including Donetsk and Lugansk), the junta will not one year at a pace. How the situation in the country will collapse during this time is a completely open question. The situation as was beyond the control of the junta, and remains. Yesterday’s Sabbath in Odessa is another proof of this. The three young men who were pulled off the chain killed more people in three hours than the ATO week and 11 thousands of punishers. Where will their next tour be?

In terms of achieving the result, the situation for the junta remains the same - no. However, it is no longer possible to stop. Stop - means to recognize the need for negotiations. But now there is nobody to talk to - for the East, she has become an executioner with her hands up to her elbows in blood, as Sands said, and this is hardly far from the truth. If, regarding the Institutskaya junta, she could still invent something, the bike about the special operation of the FSB in Odessa, even among the pupil-killer supporters of the revolution, causes legitimate skepticism. The version is closer to them - they burned themselves.

For people with a minimal amount of gray matter, any versions, except for the deliberate murders of their fellow citizens, are no longer rolled. The West is diplomatically silent, not covering in any way what is happening, and only sparingly informing about the fire in Odessa, as a banal bytovuhe. However, it is obvious that the situation is out of any control. Now, any oligarch is able to kill dozens of people through their paid-up gangs, without informing Kiev. Kolomoisky's gangs on tour in the South-East in the form of Dnipro and ultras are capable of everything — and Kiev will have to swallow it, only covering up what is happening with yet another lie.

Ukraine is rapidly fragmented. The idea of ​​federalization has already died - no one will seriously discuss it now. And this is an unpleasant factor that cannot be ignored. Unfortunately, any development of events now leads only and exclusively to the disintegration of Ukraine. The whole question is whether it will be the Yugoslav scenario or will it cost less bloody sequence of events. Is Yugoslavia beneficial for us on its border? Of course not. Is it beneficial to the West? Of course.

The question of Russia's reaction is on the agenda. Today's statement by Peskov: “We, unfortunately, do not have the opportunity for official Kiev to express condolences, as is customary in international practice, because there is no official Kiev as such,” he said. “But nevertheless, the president expresses his condolences to the relatives of those killed and burned alive in Odessa, and wishes a speedy recovery to those who suffered as a result of the aforementioned punitive operation. " The statement is very clear - Kiev for Moscow does not exist. There are current problems, say, gas - but only that.

In fact, now for Russia, Ukraine is a territory without power, and this excludes it from any negotiations regarding the future of this territory. If these negotiations are unproductive, you need to evaluate their perspective and make a decision. And there is no time anymore. People are dying, and this was stated from the very beginning as a critical feature.

I still come back to this topic, it is difficult and painful. In my opinion, it's time to include indirect methods of influence on the situation. The army is the last argument and argument, and therefore it must remain on our territory to the last. At the very border. As befits the last argument. However, volunteers must now take responsibility for the fate of the people. Both military, and humanitarian and civil specialties. We have civil structures that are able to conduct all the necessary organizing activities in a matter of days - from all kinds of Cossack structures to all-Russian types of the same ONF. The state should organize, ensure their work and guarantee security, warning Kiev about the responsibility for any actions against our citizens.

We have patriotically-minded (and if not, then there is an opportunity to turn them into such) oligarchs — they don’t impoverish collectively by one or two billion people for a holy cause.

We have diplomats - this is their task, how exactly to present these volunteers. Humanitarian mission, for example. Cultural exchange. Local expedition - on Smolenskaya there is a big building with a large number of people, they have big heads, let them think.

When the humanitarian situation in the Donbas and the Luhansk region becomes relatively normal, then they should hold a referendum. Calmly, without fear for their lives, with all the procedures. It seems that now it’s just dangerous to hold a referendum - the junta has come close to solving this important task for itself. The result is needed - but to pay for it with new lives is too human-like. In which areas of Ukraine these regional expeditions should be sent is not an easy question, although the address of the former is clear - Donetsk and Lugansk. Perhaps Kharkov, perhaps - Odessa. Let the others decide for themselves. But if they continue to kill people there or throw them into zindans, experienced guides should be ready.

We are in a state of war - just not everyone realized this. We are used to the fact that war is when something big and iron moves somewhere. Touring gangs of killers burning people, we still do not perceive tank wedges. And in vain - these are they. They just look different. In Syria, Islamist gangs also at first looked like a local hooligan. Until some time. Ukraine is falling apart much faster than what happened in Syria. Having completed the Syrian one and a half year journey in three months.

Ukraine has already lost its subjectivity, and now it is our problem and our concern. And the draw is different. The current Ukraine is sick with leprosy - breaking apart in parts and becoming a dangerous bacilli carrier for others. But this is no reason to disdain the nose and turn away - in this case we will be next.

We do not need to occupy anyone, we need normal people to properly decide how they will live. And for this you need to help them. Help - and leave, when they will not be threatened. Serious decisions about your future should be made only by them, and we should calmly treat any of them. We are still not the Kharkov gopot, who comes to restore his order to Odessa, and not to Poltava - who comes to the same for Kharkov.

Need a solution. Smart, competent and flexible. And fast. It is needed now. There is no more time. It seems, Lenin said - yesterday was early, tomorrow will be too late. It seems that he had in mind today. The situation with Ukraine will not be resolved quickly - this is already clear. It will be quickly accompanied by losses unacceptable for us. But we simply cannot leave it as it is, we have no right. We have already been dragged into the war, and if we surrender this line, we will have to fight on our territory. And it is inevitable.
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  1. taseka
    taseka 4 May 2014 07: 03
    +34
    The collapse of Ukraine is already visible and guilty of this Kiev junta! Miners have already come to the surface - hang Bandera!
    1. Validator
      Validator 4 May 2014 07: 06
      +64
      It’s too early to deploy troops. Now we need several hundred volunteers, including from Kadyrov, who are able to use RPGs and a sufficient amount of ammunition. After a dozen other burned BMD, the right-wingers will scatter
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 4 May 2014 07: 35
        +31
        It’s too early to deploy troops. Now we need several hundred volunteers, including from Kadyrov, who are able to use RPGs and a sufficient amount of ammunition. After a dozen other burned BMD, the right-wingers will scatter
        it would not be bad for the help of the pros, especially from Ramzan, from 500 to 1000 fighters of saboteurs would be enough for the whole SE.
        1. Irtysh
          Irtysh 4 May 2014 08: 09
          +46
          Ukraine is the business of Christians. Christians and solve it. And the presence of Ramzan will only increase the number of victims and give ideological trump cards in the hands of the enemy. It's my opinion. Here we need to understand.
          1. andrejwz
            andrejwz 4 May 2014 10: 44
            +16
            Quote: Irtysh
            Ukraine is the business of Christians. Christians and solve it. And the presence of Ramzan will only increase the number of victims and give ideological trump cards in the hands of the enemy. It's my opinion. Here we need to understand.

            1. Fascism is a common enemy.
            2. Kadyrov, soldiers of the special forces of the Chechen Republic are the same Russian citizens as I am Russian. And if Russia decides to conduct military operations, we have the same right and duty, common. Another vision - driving a wedge - a rake on which we have already stepped in the 90s.
            Your position is consonant with the position of your president (with all due respect to him and you) - between .... x. Do not multiply entities beyond what is necessary.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 4 May 2014 17: 28
              -5
              Quote: andrejwz
              . Kadyrov, fighters of special forces of the Chechen Republic are the same citizens of Russia

              You are probably not aware that the hero of Russia Kadyrov fought against the Russians, killed them. And Stalin resettled his people for cooperation with the Nazis. Let him sit in his mountains, "there will be tea fighters in the red army ...."
              1. Moskal 55
                Moskal 55 4 May 2014 19: 17
                +8
                All!!! We drove through. And with Chechnya, and with the Crimean Tatars. Peace means peace! We live in a multinational state! Comments similar to yours are not allowed in Russia! You probably don’t know that you can ruin this very Russia with such comments? And they must be in the know!
              2. SVAROGE
                SVAROGE 5 May 2014 05: 26
                0
                At the moment, Kadyrov and his fighters will bring more benefit to OUR COUNTRY than you, dear!
            2. SVAROGE
              SVAROGE 5 May 2014 05: 24
              0
              All right!
              We all live in Russia! And we are ONE !!!
              Enough to insert the "stake" into the minds of people!
          2. koshh
            koshh 4 May 2014 11: 37
            +10
            Quote: Irtysh
            Here we need to understand.


            Right! Do we have few people willing to help the southeast? There are enough experienced fighters who have passed more than one "hot spot". And they do not need to be taught, they themselves know where, how and why.
          3. Tartary
            Tartary 4 May 2014 13: 50
            +7
            Quote: Irtysh
            Ukraine is the business of Christians. Christians and solve it. And the presence of Ramzan will only increase the number of victims and give ideological trump cards in the hands of the enemy. It's my opinion. Here we need to understand.


            Absolutely at the top ... I think so.
            But Ramzan, Ramzan ... Light wedge converged or what?
            He’s definitely not bad fighters, but definitely not better than the Slavs.
            Ramzan himself says that “if Russia introduced, as you call it,“ special forces of the GRU, ”then all the SSs and their curators in Kiev would have fled all the way to Berlin without pants, because they would not have had time to put these pants on ... "
            In "GRU special forces" there are guys of different nationalities, but Ramzan does not have "GRU special forces" ...)))
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          5. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 4 May 2014 14: 34
            +1
            Uh Take it easy ........ Ukraine is the same multinational country as Russia, ... And the Tatars, ??? They live not only in Crimea, but the same Chechens? There are not 100 people there .... I don’t even speak about Catholics and others, although they are certainly Christians, but ....... as they say two big differences) We just need to do everything correctly .......
          6. mamont5
            mamont5 4 May 2014 18: 13
            +2
            Quote: Irtysh
            And the presence of Ramzan will only increase the number of victims and give ideological trump cards in the hands of the enemy. It's my opinion. Here we need to understand.


            Is Ramadan ours? And our enemies do not need trump cards. In euphoria from impunity, they draw them themselves. So you should not pay attention to them.
          7. retiree
            retiree 4 May 2014 19: 10
            +1
            I agree with you, Irtysh. There is only one amendment, the Ukrainians themselves must figure it out. If the entire population, supporters of federalization, stood up as one, the Maidanuts and their henchmen would have had a very bad time. And now in the southeast there are only 5-6 thousand disagreeing activists scattered over a large territory. And if you count the population of Donetsk for a million, and if you take 5% of the population - this is a combat-ready male population aged 18 to 60 years old, you can put it in self-defense units. And so in all cities. And it turns out that some are fighting, while others are waiting for the "abroad" to help them. And VVP is right that does not send troops. He himself will not bring in troops and will let others do it, as was the case with Yugoslavia.
          8. retiree
            retiree 4 May 2014 19: 10
            +1
            I agree with you, Irtysh. There is only one amendment, the Ukrainians themselves must figure it out. If the entire population, supporters of federalization, stood up as one, the Maidanuts and their henchmen would have had a very bad time. And now in the southeast there are only 5-6 thousand disagreeing activists scattered over a large territory. And if you count the population of Donetsk for a million, and if you take 5% of the population - this is a combat-ready male population aged 18 to 60 years old, you can put it in self-defense units. And so in all cities. And it turns out that some are fighting, while others are waiting for the "abroad" to help them. And VVP is right that does not send troops. He himself will not bring in troops and will let others do it, as was the case with Yugoslavia.
          9. SLAVJYNIN
            SLAVJYNIN 4 May 2014 23: 04
            0
            What a fucking Christians !!!! We are all Slav brothers !!!! Learn the story !!!! Just not the one from THORIA but the real story !!!!!
        2. wax
          wax 4 May 2014 11: 39
          +4
          There is no need to shoot at sparrows, you need to arrest the junta and arrange a show trial, a Russian court, and not an international one, accused of committing war crimes, banditry, terrorism, organizing mass killings ... Sentence - for deadlines without the right to parole and extradition of bodies relatives who died in custody.
          Captured American instructors exchange for all Russian prisoners in America.
          1. Andreitch
            Andreitch 4 May 2014 18: 40
            0
            It’s unlikely to be a ride with the latter, but it will not hurt to arrange an indicative flogging, at least.
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 4 May 2014 13: 01
          +4
          Quote: platitsyn70
          it would not be bad for the help of the pros, especially from Ramzan, from 500 to 1000 fighters of saboteurs would be enough for the whole SE.

          We need weapons and means, already listed in one of the topics, and a small number of specialist instructors in order to "nurture" local personnel.

          The Japanese say: do not feed a hungry man with fish, it is better to give him a fishing rod and teach him how to fish.
      2. Stavros
        Stavros 4 May 2014 08: 50
        +11
        BMD still come in handy. But after Odessa, to burn a couple of dozen law enforcement officers, it would be worth it.
        1. saag
          saag 4 May 2014 08: 57
          +4
          Quote: Stavros
          BMD is still useful.

          How are the monuments or something?
        2. Andrey57
          Andrey57 4 May 2014 10: 10
          +8
          BMD still come in handy. But after Odessa, to burn a couple of dozen law enforcement officers, it would be worth it.

          Right on the buses in which these bandits travel from city to city
          1. koshh
            koshh 4 May 2014 11: 44
            +5
            Quote: Andrey57
            Right on the buses in which these bandits travel from city to city


            It is necessary to deal with them according to the laws of wartime. These are bandits caught at the crime scene, who are supposed to be shot and shown on TV throughout Ukraine. Let the Westerners be sure to see, let them feel the inevitability of punishment.
        3. Waroc
          Waroc 4 May 2014 10: 56
          +11
          Do not be like these scum - you should not burn them, do not dirty your hands with their filthy blood substitute. They need to be caught - a quick but fair trial - life-time with working out at hazardous industries ...
          1. saag
            saag 4 May 2014 11: 37
            +7
            Quote: Waroc
            a quick but fair court - life-long with working off in hazardous industries.

            quick and fair in wartime it's right on the spot
          2. Sinara70
            Sinara70 4 May 2014 12: 49
            +2
            Not. I do not agree !!!!
            With them a short conversation, to Stenka !!!
          3. Sinara70
            Sinara70 4 May 2014 12: 49
            +1
            Not. I do not agree !!!!
            With them a short conversation, to Stenka !!!
          4. kombat58
            kombat58 4 May 2014 17: 35
            +3
            There is a war!
            Unless of course you notice.
            Mercy and repentance will be dealt with by those who return from the war alive.
      3. bulvas
        bulvas 4 May 2014 09: 52
        +11
        Quote: Validator
        It’s too early to deploy troops. Now we need several hundred volunteers, including from Kadyrov, who are able to use RPGs and a sufficient amount of ammunition. After a dozen other burned BMD, the right-wingers will scatter


        It would be nice to let the maneuvering groups into the nests of the right-wingers and their roofs - in Dnepropetrovsk, to Kolomoysky and Yarosh.
        To arrange a good "stalingrad" there so that they would be afraid.

        Maybe then more people will raise their heads and see that Bandera's people cannot create with impunity. And young people who have joined the Pravosek people will see that not everything is so "fun"
      4. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 10: 31
        +3
        Quote: Validator
        from Kadyrov,

        Is Kadyrov our everything or the last hope?
        I think in a Slavic family, somehow without outsiders it is necessary to understand !!!
        1. wax
          wax 4 May 2014 11: 45
          +8
          Chechnya is not an outsider for Russia. Russia is a multiconfessional and multinational country with a centuries-old history. Was, is and will be one.
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 12: 04
            +2
            And then why focus attention?
            Like - let’s call the Kadyrovites and there will be happiness!
            As a result, not the Russian army put things in order, but Ramzan did a fine job.
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 4 May 2014 17: 31
            +2
            Quote: Wax
            Multiconfessional Russia
            became one thanks to the influence of the west. But she was Orthodox.
        2. Lukich
          Lukich 4 May 2014 12: 18
          +8
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          I think in a Slavic family, somehow without outsiders it is necessary to understand !!!

          since when did a citizen of the Russian Federation become an outsider? the Nazis do not have a nationality and therefore this is the business of all, regardless of religion
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 12: 26
            0
            Quote: Lukich
            since when did a citizen of the Russian Federation become an outsider?

            Who is he in Ukraine?
            1. Lukich
              Lukich 4 May 2014 15: 28
              +6
              Quote: antiaircrafter
              Who is he in Ukraine?

              so protect citizens of the Russian Federation, and not selectively
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 16: 43
                0
                Quote: Lukich
                so protect asking citizens of the Russian Federation

                The army is asking, not citizens.
                And now feel the difference, a Russian soldier of Chechen nationality as part of a multinational unit and a Kadyrovite in a mononational unit of incomprehensible submission.
                Whose orders are they following?

                I’ll keep silent about the fact that I do not consider it necessary to protect someone who does not have the will to resist and who have not exhausted the possibility of resistance.

                Well, as for the "cause of all" in the fight against fascism, was it not for outstanding feats in the fight against fascism that the representative mountain people decided to evict another mountain people to the endless steppes?
                1. Lukich
                  Lukich 4 May 2014 17: 51
                  +5
                  Quote: antiaircrafter
                  The army is asking, not citizens.
                  And now feel the difference, a Russian soldier of Chechen nationality as part of a multinational unit and a Kadyrovite in a mononational unit of incomprehensible submission.

                  8.08.2008 this did not bother anyone. Georgians ran from them like hares.
                  1. antiaircrafter
                    antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 18: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Lukich
                    8.08.2008 it didn’t bother anyone

                    It makes no difference to me where they jump in the Caucasus, but in the Russian Zesla they are strangers. And it’s inappropriate to invite them to the Slavic showdowns.
                  2. dazefex
                    dazefex 4 May 2014 21: 25
                    +2
                    Firstly, they didn’t run but left (forced to move away ... just as they forced to enter). Secondly, not from the army of servicemen of Chechen nationality, but from the army of the Russian Federation. Chechens live on the territory of Georgia and nobody runs after anyone! Already got their own National Phobia .. then you have Skins and et good, the Nazis are villains (for me both options are evil, like lamb tolerance). Labor migration and legalization of guest workers and there is a panic on this subject .. Chocks, black (priests), sheep (passes), rams, Jews, Khachiks, yes, I’ll get tired of all the epithets to list which I heard when living in Russia. And yes, it’s a multinational country and all are brothers to each other .. (sarcasm if someone doesn’t understand) .. And I’m ascribing the hare to 8.08 to all topics on this site .. then you’re definitely not called by me, especially since the current situation only media lies.
                    1. dazefex
                      dazefex 4 May 2014 21: 28
                      +1
                      the site’s qualifications filtered out the words, but it seems clear.
                      1. Corsair
                        Corsair 5 May 2014 02: 03
                        0
                        Quote: dazefex
                        Chocks,, black (booty), sheep (passes), sheep, Jews, khachiks,


                        Quote: dazefex
                        the site’s qualifications filtered out the words, but it seems clear.


                        Strange, at one time, for a comment with the word "h * chmek" written in relation to a person of a certain appearance, who did not get up while performing the State Anthem of the Russian Federation, a penalty was imposed in the form of a warning ...
        3. kombat58
          kombat58 4 May 2014 17: 50
          +1
          Kadyrov is a good information weapon!
          Do not forget that Ukraine, like Russia, is a multinational state. And who else but Kadyrov will convey clearly and precisely the "party policy" to all Muslims of Ukraine.
          By the way, he also acted in the Crimea, in the matter with the Crimean Tatars.
          The main thing is clear and unambiguous.
        4. kombat58
          kombat58 4 May 2014 17: 50
          0
          Kadyrov is a good information weapon!
          Do not forget that Ukraine, like Russia, is a multinational state. And who else but Kadyrov will convey clearly and precisely the "party policy" to all Muslims of Ukraine.
          By the way, he also acted in the Crimea, in the matter with the Crimean Tatars.
          The main thing is clear and unambiguous.
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      6. Gorko
        Gorko 4 May 2014 12: 42
        0
        It’s too early to deploy troops. Now we need several hundred volunteers, including from Kadyrov, who are able to use RPGs and a sufficient amount of ammunition. After a dozen other burned BMD, the right-wingers will scatter

        Well, good luck with the Kadyrovites. My friend, after a business trip, told how they were shot by Chechen special forces in the back, and then they said that by accident, once they even shot from a grenade launcher and wounded one Russian. And how to work with them with these jackals? You have forgotten your short memory how the Chechens killed the Russians, and how Kadyrov’s dad called for the Russians to be killed, Ramzanchik himself stated that he killed the first Russian at 16 !!!
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius 4 May 2014 12: 47
          +1
          Plus, Gorko. Short memory in people. They think, probably, that Ramzan just sings sweet songs. How much money is there? And how much more they swell, if only to sing. Monuments began to put. So soon we’ll get to the memorials to Dudaev and Basaev. fool
        2. ant1958
          ant1958 4 May 2014 13: 27
          +7
          Denikin is also an ardent anti-Soviet, but did not fight the Nazis against the USSR
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius 4 May 2014 13: 36
            +4
            Honestly, I did not quite understand what Denikin had to do with it. If power is moving away from the people, then wait for a civil war. The civil war in Russia is no exception.
            And the fact that even among the white movement there were decent people who sincerely loved their homeland is a fact.
            I don’t know what banderlogs love in modern Ukraine. I think that to gaggle, attack the crowd on unarmed and free dollars. request
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          3. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 4 May 2014 21: 17
            0
            Denikin Hero of Russia! He sat in a camp for refusing to cooperate with the Nazis. He sent humanitarian aid at his own expense to the USSR through neutrals (either one or two train) ........ And Kadyrov just with his statements about his readiness to help the Russians and expiates his guilt .... ......... Guys! Civil war is always a complicated, dramatic thing! Who is the right white oath officer of Russia or Red Budennovets? That's it !!!!!
        3. Horst78
          Horst78 4 May 2014 16: 47
          +1
          Quote: GORKO
          You have a short memory forgot how Russian Chechens slaughtered

          I agree. The memory is short. That Dudayev was a General of the Soviet Army, and Maskhadov was a colonel? You still have to dig in your memory and remember what happened in the civil war after the revolution. Who cut whom and how. Although you probably study the history of the films ala "Admiral"?
        4. kombat58
          kombat58 4 May 2014 17: 55
          +1
          Whoever remembers the old is out of sight!
          And who forgets BOTH!
        5. kombat58
          kombat58 4 May 2014 17: 57
          0
          Whoever remembers the old is out of sight!
          And whoever forgets both!
      7. understudy
        understudy 4 May 2014 14: 14
        +1
        Quote: Validator
        including from Kadyrov

        It’s not worth it for the Kadyrovites to do it! Guys, what do you suggest? The most powerful and heroic argument ??? Maybe first ask those who fought in Chechnya, and only then you will draw projects regarding the composition of the participants in the operation "forcing to peace" ... BTTs are quite capable of burning others as well. It would be what.
    2. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 4 May 2014 07: 06
      +14
      hang up bandera!

      Banderasty! (from)
      1. Canep
        Canep 4 May 2014 07: 29
        +10
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        Banderasty

        I think it’s necessary to adopt this term along with law-breakers.
        1. Irtysh
          Irtysh 4 May 2014 08: 05
          +6
          Already they called themselves Pendera. Why else invent something?
      2. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 4 May 2014 12: 27
        0
        And also the moat between Russia and Ukraine does not let me sleep!
        [media = http: //www.odnoklassniki.ru/video/4931847516]
      3. Iraclius
        Iraclius 4 May 2014 12: 33
        +1
        So far, the Bandera’s are burning dozens of our Russian people alive.
        There is nothing more than slogans and chants ...
    3. Skipper2050
      Skipper2050 4 May 2014 07: 18
      +2
      What the hell is federalization, Capturing Kiev is the goal.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 4 May 2014 07: 24
        +5
        Ammunition and weapons are needed. It would be nice to throw from the Crimea, there are a lot of things in the warehouses.
        1. Canep
          Canep 4 May 2014 07: 35
          +6
          Quote: Banshee
          It would be nice to transfer from the Crimea, there are a lot of things in the warehouses.
          In the east, there are a lot of warehouses with weapons, we need specialist instructors. "Arrows" and "flies" will not interfere with weapons.
          1. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 4 May 2014 08: 34
            +15
            Quote: Canep
            In the east, there are a lot of warehouses with weapons, we need specialist instructors. "Arrows" and "flies" will not interfere with weapons.

            There, right on the tube "funny pictures", where everything is painted in great detail. Even a person who first picks up RPG18 / 22 will figure it out right away. The desire to take this weapon in hand and use it is what is needed first of all.
            1. Canep
              Canep 4 May 2014 11: 59
              +1
              Quote: Rattenfanger
              Even the person who first picked up the RPG18 / 22 will figure it out right away.

              Shooting and fighting are two different things, so that the militia can fight and need instructors. Making a trigger is the business of the Banderave right-wingers.
          2. Horn
            Horn 4 May 2014 09: 23
            +5
            Quote: Canep
            Quote: Banshee
            It would be nice to transfer from the Crimea, there are a lot of things in the warehouses.
            In the east, there are a lot of warehouses with weapons, we need specialist instructors. "Arrows" and "flies" will not interfere with weapons.

            Better "bumblebees" for Banderlog no! After Odessa - let the bumblebees buzz over the banderlog!
            1. Rattenfanger
              Rattenfanger 4 May 2014 11: 02
              +3
              Quote: Horn
              Better "bumblebees" for Banderlog no!

              No, RPOs are heavy and uncomfortable. You will be able to run around with them, and there are only two shots. It is better to take thermobaric shots to RPGs by weight. Although, in general, "Bumblebee" will be more impressive.
        2. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 4 May 2014 08: 13
          +3
          Shoigu gave weapons from the Crimea to Kiev. As we see now, this is not thought out. We must transfer this weapon to Donetsk.
          1. Geologist
            Geologist 4 May 2014 10: 26
            +3
            Returned primarily trash.
          2. Nonik
            Nonik 4 May 2014 13: 31
            0
            The entire transfer was suspended for an indefinite period immediately after the start of the ATO in the east - while Ukraine also vigorously declared that it would use the weapons transferred from the Crimea. Well, who will transmit after this.
        3. Geologist
          Geologist 4 May 2014 10: 25
          +1
          Thrown. Ukraine play out carefully. The stakes are too big.
      2. Canep
        Canep 4 May 2014 07: 34
        +8
        Quote: Skipper2050
        Capturing Kiev is the goal.

        The capture, and the liberation, and the ultimate goal of Lviv, for its subsequent transfer to the European Union. Stalin, although a genius of politics, but still a man, he could not have foreseen that Ukraine's trap would become a hotbed of fascism.
        1. tokin1959
          tokin1959 4 May 2014 08: 33
          +12
          the ultimate goal of Lviv, for its subsequent transfer to the European Union


          and Lviv will be taken there? to the European Union?
          in the West, the average person on TV will be shown any desired picture.
          but leadership in the West is not fools.
          so that girls who pour fuel into bottles and thugs who burn people alive in the west are? Yes, they do not need such.
          all talk about the European Union is a bedtime story for Ukrainians.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 4 May 2014 09: 19
          +6
          Quote: Canep
          and the ultimate goal of Lviv, for its subsequent transfer to the European Union

          Right! Now let them tinker with them. However, I believe that the West of Ukraine will disappear, it will be annexed to another state, as an appendage. And his mouth shut.And then they will see Geyropa in all its glory!
          1. Geologist
            Geologist 4 May 2014 10: 28
            +3
            Return west to Poland. May historical justice triumph.
            1. wax
              wax 4 May 2014 12: 01
              +3
              Historical justice is the outcome of World War II. This justice is paid for by 27 million lives of Soviet citizens. Do not cry in Poland. Let it restore historical justice and return Germany to the original German western lands, especially since it did not conquer them in the Holy War, but received it as a gift from Stalin, whom they hated.
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            3. FREGATENKAPITAN
              FREGATENKAPITAN 4 May 2014 21: 20
              0
              How will the Poles return so they will immediately remember the Volyn massacre! These villains managed to spoil everyone!
          2. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 12: 22
            +7
            Quote: Egoza
            Now let them tinker with them

            they will not bother with them. term. jail.
            1. Nonik
              Nonik 4 May 2014 13: 33
              0
              Quote: Lukich
              they will not bother with them. term. jail.

              So this is fuss. While you will find everyone, but most will not find ...
              1. Lukich
                Lukich 4 May 2014 15: 31
                +5
                Quote: NoNick
                While you will find everyone, but most will not find ..

                why look? come out themselves. they think paradise there, but they will go to hell. and Maidans will come out of habit
        3. ksan
          ksan 4 May 2014 10: 11
          +3
          Stalin, although a genius of politics, but still a man, he could not have foreseen that the trap of Ukraine would become a hotbed of fascism.
          I completely agree about the "liberation of Kiev". But the hotbed of fascism was already arranged by the new, "democratic" authorities in Kiev, and Khrushchev released, after Stalin's death, by most estimates, at least 15 thousand. members of the UPA (Banderovtsy) who had to "re-educate" for another 15 years.
        4. wax
          wax 4 May 2014 11: 57
          +3
          Stalin foresaw everything 50 years in advance. And now his decisions protect Russia - this is the veto in the UN Security Council and the fact of the Nuremberg trials. But he could not prevent the appearance of shifters in the Communist Party through a generation. A more far-sighted leader of the USSR (Russia) in our history, it seems, was not there. No ECU gears. We are not reviewing the outcome of World War II.
          1. Canep
            Canep 4 May 2014 12: 02
            +2
            Quote: Wax
            But he could not prevent the emergence of shifters in the CPSU

            Gorbochaku - to the fuss! negative Something like that. repeat
          2. Sinara70
            Sinara70 4 May 2014 12: 54
            +3
            Do not give away any city of the Ukrainian SSR to Europe !!!!
            Not for that, our wars in 1944 fought for western Ukraine !!!
          3. Sinara70
            Sinara70 4 May 2014 12: 54
            0
            Do not give away any city of the Ukrainian SSR to Europe !!!!
            Not for that, our wars in 1944 fought for western Ukraine !!!
      3. Lyubimov
        Lyubimov 4 May 2014 08: 06
        +3
        Not capture, but liberation!
      4. wax
        wax 4 May 2014 11: 48
        0
        That's right, federalization (confederation, the formation of new states, joining Russia) is not a goal, but a consequence of the destruction of the junta.
      5. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 4 May 2014 11: 51
        +6
        Capturing Kiev is the goal.

        Not capture, but liberation. Like in 1943.
      6. tehnoluks
        tehnoluks 4 May 2014 12: 30
        +2
        Exemption, Skipper2050, EXEMPTION!
    4. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: taseka
      Kiev junta!

      The junta is the power of the military. What kind of military are there ??? !!!
      There’s not even a gang, but just a gang .... a gang n and a r about with in, well, or more politically correct - a gang of schönevmerliks.
      1. wax
        wax 4 May 2014 12: 17
        0
        The junta is a political group that came to power in an unconstitutional way and exercises dictatorial rule by terror (this is from Wikipedia).
        Just the word junta comes from the Spanish language, and about 50 years ago, as a rule, it was applied to military coups in Latin America (Spanish-speaking countries). But language, like history, does not stand still and develops with the world.
        Applying the word junta to the regime in Kiev is legitimate.
        Synonyms of the word junta - clique, camarilla.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: Wax
          Synonyms of the word junta - clique, camarilla.

          The gang is also suitable.
          The validity of what law is based on?
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2014 12: 24
        +5
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        The junta is the power of the military.

        not quite right. The junta is a political group that came to power in an unconstitutional way and exercises dictatorial rule by terror [1].
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 4 May 2014 12: 31
          0
          Quote: antiaircrafter

          The junta is the power of the military
          Lukich SU  Today, 12: 24 is not quite right


          ,,, what you did not finish ,,,,and also includes reactionary terrorist groups that seized power in the country with Military and established a terrorist dictatorship
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 12: 57
            0
            Quote: bubalik
            why didn’t you finish

            There is such a thing.
            But something I don’t remember, that in Kiev with the help of the military they seized power.
            The army was just sitting on the barracks.
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 4 May 2014 13: 06
              +1
              antiaircrafter SU  Today, 12: 57


              ,,, no, I'm talking about the definition of "junta", and so you correctly described
              The gang is also suitable.
              hi
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          2. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 15: 32
            +5
            Quote: bubalik
            what you didn’t finish ,,,, and also includes reactionary terrorist groups that seized power in the country with the help of the military and established a terrorist dictatorship

            except the military, everything else is on the face
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        3. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: Lukich
          not quite right.

          Oh yes Wikipedia is our everything !! Compare with other sources.
          Junta `Explanatory Dictionary of Efremova`
          g. 3) Military a reactionary terrorist group that seized power and established its dictatorship.

          Junta `Big Encyclopedic Dictionary`
          JUNTA (sp. Junta) - the name of associations, unions, commissions, government bodies, Military governments in Hispanic countries.

          Junta `Small academic dictionary`
          2.Military government in some Latin American countries that came to power as a result of a coup.

          Junta `Explanatory Dictionary of Ozhegov`
          s, ace.2. Military a reactionary terrorist group that seized power and established a terrorist dictatorship.

          There are, of course, meanings not related to the military. But this applies mainly to terminology in Hispanic countries.
    5. 222222
      222222 4 May 2014 11: 36
      +1
      taseka RU Today, 07:03 AM New
      read the scorched politician Moroz .. with many of his conclusions, I do not agree, but .. his opinion is worth knowing ..
      "- What's going on in the country?
      - Everything that happens in the country for six months can be described as a crisis of statehood (hereinafter highlighted by Alexander Moroz. - Author). Every day it escalates, threatening the very existence of the state. Moreover, the crisis is not spontaneous, but controllable.
      It didn’t start now. The system of power, in which people are alienated from power, and even more so detached from the people, always ends in disaster for the authorities and tragically for people.
      The period of application of such a system is different, it depends on many circumstances: the level of infringement of human rights, the state of repressive bodies, the extent of corruption and bureaucracy, the presence of pro-government and opposition political forces, etc. However, the meaning of the finale is always similar.
      Let's recall the last century: Spain under Franco, fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Romania during the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, etc. ""
      http://thekievtimes.ua/politics/368731-moroz-prorochit-vlasti-sudbu-nacistskoj-g
      ermanii.html
    6. SLAVJYNIN
      SLAVJYNIN 4 May 2014 23: 01
      0
      The collapse began in 2005 after the 1st Maidan !! This situation is just a logical end to the process !!!
    7. alauda1038
      alauda1038 5 May 2014 07: 13
      0
      while the miners stand on four bones and pretend that nothing is happening, although their salaries are lower than those of guest workers in Russia
  2. Children BuryKonya
    Children BuryKonya 4 May 2014 07: 04
    +4
    Need a solution. Smart, competent and flexible. And fast. It is needed now.

    Everyone understands what is needed, but where is the solution? Everyone is waiting for what the Chief will decide.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 4 May 2014 07: 25
      +12
      The head will decide. As practice shows, he is in no hurry, but in time. Must wait.
      1. ya.seliwerstov2013
        ya.seliwerstov2013 4 May 2014 08: 36
        +1
        Yes. Excerpt is important! What thoughts? Excerpts of the mind! -
        And who has a delay in this? -
        He falls, eyelid with a labette
        In the game and speech and writing;
        Whatever attempts are made,
        And stupidity will cut off on a ditch!
        He will lose to the skin
        And it will come out completely fool.
  3. svp67
    svp67 4 May 2014 07: 07
    +8
    Need a solution. Smart, competent and flexible. And fast. It is needed now. There is no more time.
    "The Rubicon has already been crossed." The answer will follow, we just need to be patient, we need to give our veterans and the people in general to celebrate "May 9". We are entering a LONG and HEAVY war, give people a little more to be together ...
    1. Skipper2050
      Skipper2050 4 May 2014 07: 20
      +8
      Yes, not even 100 years have passed, but everything repeats. 20 years ago, no one thought what could be.
      1. wax
        wax 4 May 2014 12: 22
        +1
        Nobody, except those who have been dreaming of dismembering Russia for more than a century and a half (70 years of the USSR), except for those who brought anti-communists to the leadership of the CPSU and the USSR. The enemy does not sleep, the victim slumbers.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 4 May 2014 07: 21
      +1
      Applause. You can’t say better.
    3. kombat58
      kombat58 4 May 2014 18: 10
      +1
      Or maybe a gift to veterans.
      I understand that nonsense, and dream.
      After all, in Kiev and Lviv there are also veterans of not only the UPA.
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 4 May 2014 07: 12
    +2
    It seems that Lenin said - it was early yesterday, tomorrow will be
    A full-fledged civil war has begun ... What else is needed?
    1. major071
      major071 4 May 2014 07: 26
      +15
      hi Meehan!
      To your question, what else is needed, I will answer this way: it is necessary that the whole people rise, and not by 100-200 people stand at rallies with flags. If the whole east rises, then no national guard of the right-wingers and the remnants of the shameful army controlled by Kiev, together with the Kolomoisky, Taruti and every village, can do nothing. In a couple of days, they will all hang out in the streetlights with the junta. But for this it is necessary that all the people rise, Russia will help with arms and volunteers, of course, unofficially. And the volunteers had already gone, he talked yesterday with a comrade, a former Afghan soldier, he and five other strong-minded guys trained to fight during the Soviet Union, went to Ukraine.
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 4 May 2014 08: 02
        +1
        Quote: major071
        hi Meehan!
        To your question, what else is needed, I will answer this way: it is necessary that the whole people rise, and not by 100-200 people stand at rallies with flags. If the whole east rises, then no national guard of the right-wingers and the remnants of the shameful army controlled by Kiev, together with the Kolomoisky, Taruti and every village, can do nothing. In a couple of days, they will all hang out in the streetlights with the junta. But for this it is necessary that all the people rise, Russia will help with arms and volunteers, of course, unofficially. And the volunteers had already gone, he talked yesterday with a comrade, a former Afghan soldier, he and five other strong-minded guys trained to fight during the Soviet Union, went to Ukraine.

        The people in the southeast support the referendum against the fascist junta. How much more blood must be shed for Russia to understand, it’s time? Where is the help of the Russian Federation? suppression of Natsik?), weapons, ammunition, humanitarian aid?
        1. wax
          wax 4 May 2014 12: 26
          0
          The question is not whether there is a reason - it is, but how much blood will be shed later, if the decision is not verified on historical, rather than emotional, scales. There is no doubt that the fruit has not yet ripened.
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius 4 May 2014 12: 34
            +2
            I already have gloomy forebodings. As with Libya and Yugoslavia. sad
  5. kr33sania
    kr33sania 4 May 2014 07: 13
    +3
    Everything is clear: there’s nowhere to go, we’ll take it.
  6. Naum
    Naum 4 May 2014 07: 16
    +7
    Everything has already been decided. Everyone is waiting for action. They will. Must be. A matter of a few days. I feel it because I live nearby. The atmosphere is gathering. Thunderstorm is getting closer. No other has been given ...
  7. i80186
    i80186 4 May 2014 07: 16
    +7
    That's about volunteers and help. After reporting the two downed Mi-24s in Slavyansk for several hours, I was very surprised that it’s not very good to bring it down, it’s not very good that they shot down in Chechnya. But as? who? with what? But what will happen if the tanks actually go to the city? Also, probably a couple of dozens in the first three hours will burn out? But what will happen if, God forbid, they actually begin to partisan, mine roads there, and arrange attacks on columns?
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 10: 36
      +3
      Quote: i80186
      I was very surprised, it’s not very much that you’ll bring him down

      Probably were not ready for such a rebuff, so they paid. And the level of combat training is not up to par.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2014 15: 35
        +5
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        And the level of combat training is not up to par.

        and where does this level come from. they already forgot when they had teachings
  8. igorra
    igorra 4 May 2014 07: 18
    +12
    No more slogans and appeals, it’s time for all of us to understand that this is a war and we must all prepare for it. It seems true when they used to say that in Russia not a single generation bypasses any war. Looks like our turn has come. There is no need for capricious words, it will be hard and whoever does not understand this is just a stupid person.
    1. Naum
      Naum 4 May 2014 10: 55
      0
      Yes, everyone will have a hard time. Mb and deadly hard. The Americans need victory in Ukraine at all costs and they will stop at nothing. They will go, their *** and, and to the Third World War. Well, why else would a macaque Obama get down from a palm tree? Laureate of horseradish * new.
  9. Hamul
    Hamul 4 May 2014 07: 19
    +6
    Previously, it was necessary to declare a general mobilization !!!
    Previously, it was necessary to expel the security forces from Lugansk, etc.
    NW troops will be stretched - they will not be able to act effectively!
    Why so far not a single armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle has burned down with crews? Why ??????
    We must mine the roads, we must move on to the tactics of the partisans.

    The whole situation is complicated by the fact that the Southeast does not have a leader. As soon as he will be able to unite people and militias - the junta will fall!
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 4 May 2014 07: 23
      +8
      Quote: Hamul
      Why so far not a single armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle has burned down with crews? Why ??????


      Because the army does not break into battle. Because in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, those who are on our side of the barricades understand that people like them are sitting in boxes. Therefore, they are in no hurry to burn. Therefore, they rescued the pilot from a downed helicopter.

      There is no blood on the hands of the military yet. Only the right-wingers of the National Guard are shot at people.
      1. i80186
        i80186 4 May 2014 07: 31
        +4
        Well, for example, I think that the loss of a pair of combat helicopters in a couple of hours would have sobered up the army leadership, otherwise they would have climbed.
      2. Hamul
        Hamul 4 May 2014 08: 25
        +5
        It is not the army that needs to be burned - the national guard / law enforcement must be strangled!
      3. Hamul
        Hamul 4 May 2014 08: 34
        +1
        and that they are not on armored personnel carriers?
        Fighters are a means of delivery - it means they are indirectly involved in the execution of peaceful people
      4. Horn
        Horn 4 May 2014 09: 28
        +4
        Quote: Banshee
        Quote: Hamul
        Why so far not a single armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle has burned down with crews? Why ??????


        Because the army does not break into battle. Because in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, those who are on our side of the barricades understand that people like them are sitting in boxes. Therefore, they are in no hurry to burn. Therefore, they rescued the pilot from a downed helicopter.

        There is no blood on the hands of the military yet. Only the right-wingers of the National Guard are shot at people.

        - You can't be "a little pregnant"! Either an enemy or an ally! There is no third party in the civil war! You walk on armor with the macaques - the baboon himself! You do not shoot at a Banderlog targeting a militia - the enemy's accomplice himself! The only way! If you don't break the eggs, you won't cook eggs!
      5. ksan
        ksan 4 May 2014 10: 26
        +4

        Because the army does not break into battle. Because in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, those who are on our side of the barricades understand that people like them are sitting in boxes.
        The "red line", as it is fashionable to say now, has already been passed. If YOU are on the armor with the Nazis, then you have made a choice! And do not talk about the "order" or "oath" officers are not stupid football ultras and must understand whose orders they are carrying out and with whom they are together and against whom they are fighting! And excuses like "I did not shoot at people, but only in the air and the commissioner shot from the PS" will not work!
      6. yushch
        yushch 4 May 2014 10: 53
        0
        Only this stage of hostilities quickly ends and the adult war begins. Appetite comes with eating. It seems to me or do they have old-style American helmets?
  10. mig31
    mig31 4 May 2014 07: 20
    +1
    Already decomposed, and will soon be deposed with shame at all times ....
  11. ochakow703
    ochakow703 4 May 2014 07: 24
    +3
    All right. The army is on the safe side, and the teams of local historians should already be working. There are thousands of private security companies in the country, I am sure that not only grandfathers with ragatki serve there. And yet, the position of the Cossacks is not at all clear to me. Do they exist only for beauty, national color?
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 4 May 2014 13: 42
      0
      IMHO, our Cossacks are simply mummers, it’s well written on Lurka about this.
  12. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 May 2014 07: 29
    +1
    After the holidays there will be an answer on all fronts. If earlier Ukraine itself does not rise.
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 4 May 2014 13: 42
      0
      Why after the holidays?
    2. nicollider
      nicollider 4 May 2014 13: 43
      0
      Although, yes, June 15th is also after the holidays
  13. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 4 May 2014 07: 30
    +5
    Quote: taseka
    The collapse of Ukraine is already visible and guilty of this Kiev junta! Miners have already come to the surface - hang Bandera!


    Let's not say and repeat the same thing. The junta has long been understood. What can be done now. Apparently, Moscow is waiting for something, as I don’t own all the information, I can only assume that the cavalry with Chapaev, Putin will release here ... just wait for it now, wait ... help will come ... probably already from the same Crimea ... Brother Arman, will take the scalp from Balashov so that he does not wag his broomstick from Kiev.

    At the moment, I see only a way out in taking warehouses with weapons, for sure they are in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Arm everyone who wants to stand under the gun. To shoot every bush.

    I also want to say that the silence of GDP plays only a negative for him. Unfortunately, we have such a character, said A, say B. And if the silence is long, the people will not understand ... IMHO
    1. Irtysh
      Irtysh 4 May 2014 08: 22
      +19
      One cannot free one who does not want freedom. If troops are stupidly deployed now, this will only increase the number of victims many times over.

      Until the Ukrainians themselves understand where and with whom to go, any outside interference will only interfere and it is not clear what will result. Again they will begin to say that they were prevented from building the Great Country. Already passed it.

      No matter how sad it may be, but until they get hungry, they don’t scoop up each other and bring their brains to normal thinking, we won’t achieve anything.

      We just wait, watch, draw conclusions, say "glory to Ukraine!"

      But when they mature, and this is already a matter of several months, then they will have to act with lightning speed.
      1. Horn
        Horn 4 May 2014 09: 29
        +5
        A sober and balanced look! Only Ukrainians themselves must decide their fate.
    2. Hamul
      Hamul 4 May 2014 08: 29
      +5
      Why haven't the so-called NDR authorities done this so far ??? More than 2 weeks have passed since the "capture" of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk !! Did you think everything would be formed by itself? Thought the Right Seekers would run like coyotes? - THERE! while the authorities forgive them everything - they become cold-blooded reptiles and murderers - they will first clean up the South-East - then return to Kiev, and not disarm, but for a new genocide !. They will look for "traitors" and so on.
    3. ksan
      ksan 4 May 2014 10: 40
      +3
      I also want to say that the silence of GDP plays only a negative for him
      Putin is a strategist and not "Chapaev with a saber." I'm just sure that he will not allow the formation of the Nazi regime. And to bring in Russian troops means for one half to become liberators and for the other - occupiers. It is necessary to help in every possible way, instructors, activists, volunteers, money to those who are fighting this regime. And a group of "specialists" can often make more of a tank regiment. Yes, and there are a lot of warehouses with weapons in Ukraine, we need competent and experienced commanders with combat experience ... IMHO "old" scout wink
    4. family tree
      family tree 4 May 2014 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: Scandinavian
      I also want to say that the silence of GDP plays only a negative for him.

      what Why is memory so short? Look back. Before the annexation of Crimea, they also shouted why, they say, GDP is silent. And it, it’s like request
    5. wax
      wax 4 May 2014 12: 33
      +1
      Silence is gold, and the word silver. (popular saying)
      One must learn to listen to silence. There the West, led by Obama, screeches continuously, and Putin ignores them (many, many times), and this causes legitimate pride.
    6. nicollider
      nicollider 4 May 2014 17: 15
      0
      Well, what can I say? I suppose our authorities are waiting for a general uprising in the southeast. For you will not be forcibly sweet. After Odessa, I think, it will go faster. On the 11th they will have a referendum, although, I think, the Banderaists will try to disrupt it.
  14. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 4 May 2014 07: 34
    +2
    The current tactics of fighting the rebellious people - the tactics of stupid firefighters TO EXTINGUISH THE FIRE IN THE SWAMP! It seems that in one place the fire was flooded ... we went to another hearth ... and the fire broke out again in the first place. So it will be in those cities ... which, according to the report of the punitive, have been successfully eliminated! The punishers will leave, and the people will fight again ... and very soon these punishers are simply out of breath running from one place to another.
    No one else has been given! And the faster the banderlogs of Kiev understand this, the more voluminously and fully satisfy the demands of the people, the faster the hotbed of tension in NEW RUSSIA will be extinguished.
    And our help should be simple - to help volunteers come to the aid of the people of the Southeast. But this is another topic and troubles are not for public discussion ...
  15. bilgesez
    bilgesez 4 May 2014 07: 37
    .
    Hey President, where are you. You are generally called the Russian President all over the world. It’s time to act in order to remain so.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 4 May 2014 08: 13
      +6
      fool Learn to be friends with your head for a start, do you have a little blood?
    2. serioga
      serioga 4 May 2014 10: 08
      +2
      We don’t need this, even if we sit in Rostov, it will be needed for a legitimate transfer of power in Ukraine
  16. tarko-trade
    tarko-trade 4 May 2014 07: 38
    +5
    If you quoted Lenin. That can be remembered and rephrased today:
    "Today is not the time to stroke the head of the Pravosek people, but it is necessary to beat, beat and beat on it again." No need to rush unarmed at the tanks and crowds of pravosek people. They must be burned and killed.
    1. Hamul
      Hamul 4 May 2014 08: 33
      +4
      Guys what age? a couple of craftsmen are enough to make electronic fuses with a delay of 30 to 40 minutes. The people of peace came - "blocked" / left ..... after a while explosions.
      After two or three times - move on to another tactic - the tactics of "controlled" land mines ....
      What is no RGD? The fly?
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 4 May 2014 09: 20
        +1
        Quote: Hamul
        peacemen - "blocked" / left ..... after a while explosions.

        Yeah, "blocked" / left ..., but this place is the next came ... a dozen old women whom you did not warn and what are you doing ??? I'm listening carefully!
        1. Hamul
          Hamul 4 May 2014 12: 57
          0
          But is it impossible to organize this business?
      2. wax
        wax 4 May 2014 12: 43
        0
        Provocateur, get on. You can’t sow anger in the Ukrainian army for the dead, you can’t take steps to start a full-scale civil war. It is this goal that the States set for the junta, but not so much for the junta. The political course will change, and the Ukrainian security forces will be happy to crush the law-enforcers.
  17. siberalt
    siberalt 4 May 2014 07: 39
    +4
    It's just the opposite. 20 years decayed, and now she died. laughing The junta is not a state. Now Ukraine is a territory for further division into parts.
  18. kmike
    kmike 4 May 2014 07: 39
    +1
    It’s too early to do anything. Putin is silent, and when he is silent, he thinks. When he decides to say something, he will say so that little will appear to anyone.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2014 12: 34
      +5
      Quote: kmike
      Putin is silent, and when he is silent, he thinks.

      this abamka jumps and performs almost every day. only phot efficiency is different for them. GDP will say once, and the Abamas and his satellites have wet pants. but as the abamk says, we just laugh. I'm talking about sanctions. he can’t talk about anything else
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 4 May 2014 12: 41
        +1
        Why compare Crimea and Southeast? Situations in one and the other are completely different and the reaction of the authorities to these events should be appropriate.
        Where are the maneuvers of troops in the Belgorod province? Where are the flights of army aviation in the border strip? Let the US scream. Will impose more sanctions - and so what?
  19. arkady149
    arkady149 4 May 2014 07: 44
    +2
    A humanitarian mission, for example. Culture Exchange. Local history expedition
    Here only "local historians in civilian clothes" should not be polite in relation to pravosekov and other Benderastic scum.
  20. Arkan
    Arkan 4 May 2014 07: 45
    +4
    We need means of suppression of communications (EW), RPGs, portable anti-aircraft missile systems "Igla", ammunition and, most importantly, experienced volunteers. Do not pay attention to the howling from the west, our enemies benefit from the flaming Ukraine.
  21. Leader
    Leader 4 May 2014 07: 50
    +4
    In fact, even the civilian version of rifled hunting weapons with optics is enough for actions in the city ...
    Getting a weapon from Bandera's "heroes" is enough for a knife and a convenient moment.
    Hunters must have gunpowder; a tin can with nuts and a wick - here's a hand grenade to "greet" the punishers.
    An explosion package, a bag of fertilizers and wires are a guided landmine for BTT at a checkpoint.

    Unfortunately, supporters of federalism have a lack of coordinated action and indecision.
    1. Hamul
      Hamul 4 May 2014 08: 37
      +4
      That's what I always say about this .... there are no leaders, there is no desire to actively participate in your destiny.
    2. sleepy
      sleepy 4 May 2014 13: 06
      0
      Quote: Leader
      "Actually, even a civilian version of a rifled hunting weapon with optics is quite enough for operations in the city ... Get a weapon
      Bandera's "heroes" have enough knife and opportunity.
      Hunters must have gunpowder; tin can with nuts and wick -
      here is a hand grenade to "greet" the punishers.


      I remembered the plot of the movie "The Old Gun".
      Here there really is a hunter and a husband who did not go to rallies.
      And just an old shotgun, though ammo on a boar.
  22. papont1964
    papont1964 4 May 2014 07: 51
    +7
    VVP is rightly silent, the south-east should speak, and we should give them "loudspeakers", yes, such that in Europe and America it would be heard and scary ...
  23. Velesovich
    Velesovich 4 May 2014 07: 51
    +7
    You can’t let our army be drawn into a civil war! And even more so during the war with the partisans, who will generously sponsor self-aware people. Therefore, Putin has still not deployed troops, not succumbing to even the bloodiest provocations. But the situation is stalemate, while people are being killed, and Russia is silent - we cease to be hope and the militias believe that Russia has betrayed them. But we cannot act directly. Time plays both on us in terms of the final collapse of the former Ukraine, and against us in terms of people's attitudes towards us. I hope that the Kremlin will accurately calculate the time and method of action in order to get out of this situation with the minimum possible losses for both us and the people of the former Ukraine.
  24. saag
    saag 4 May 2014 07: 51
    +6
    a strange attitude towards armored personnel carriers, of which they shoot at the militia, kill, but they are not touched, like "onyzhelyudi", what kind of Tolstoyism is this?
  25. Zaputina
    Zaputina 4 May 2014 07: 56
    +1
    We have patriotically-minded (and if not, then there is an opportunity to turn them into such) oligarchs — they don’t impoverish collectively by one or two billion people for a holy cause.

    voooot keywords - unofficial support for patriotic forces, including the former Golden Eagle, who moved to Russia, and
  26. tnship2
    tnship2 4 May 2014 07: 58
    +2
    For a humanitarian expedition, it is immediately necessary to organize a corridor, not paying attention to the Kiev slobber of Washington. A transparent section of the border to support humanitarian missions. Attract all possible journalists from around the world. This will be more effective than tanks and helicopters.
  27. talnax7
    talnax7 4 May 2014 08: 03
    +1
    Why do not we use economics example want gas return broadcasting to our media War for the souls of the heart
  28. Tatarus
    Tatarus 4 May 2014 08: 04
    -2
    The ROC is obliged to give the go-ahead to its flock to defend the Faith and the Near. Believe me. The church can and must create such a number of experienced units that banderlog blood drown. Patriarch Cyril do not sleep freeze.
  29. Leader
    Leader 4 May 2014 08: 15
    +5
    Quote: Tatarus
    The ROC is obliged to give the go-ahead to its flock to defend the Faith and the Near. Believe me. The church can and must create such a number of experienced units that banderlog blood drown. Patriarch Cyril do not sleep freeze.

    Nonsense! With banners against machine guns? What are the experienced squads? What are you speaking about?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 4 May 2014 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Leader
      Nonsense! With banners against machine guns? What are the experienced squads? What are you speaking about?

      Oh, well, it’s you in vain ... Our Serene, if desired, and under a hundred thousand under a gun can lift, and comrades who have not one or two wars behind them.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 4 May 2014 12: 50
        +2
        Oh my God! One offers to send the Kadyrovites there, and the others with breeders with machine guns.
        People, look from the side at what you write. what
  30. Grif
    Grif 4 May 2014 08: 16
    +6
    What a mess, after all, of Yanukovych compared to Assad!
  31. Ulairy
    Ulairy 4 May 2014 08: 17
    +2
    I recently read about Uncle Alexander Mukharev. He is the commander of the RDO-2 "Tsar's Wolves", with experience in the wars in Transnistria and Bosnia, where he shot separatists and Muslims. And he is already somewhere in Ukraine ... Russian mercenaries and Cossacks have also become more active. Very soon the right-wing people will feel that they are being methodically shot by unidentified "ghosts". But with the army it is more difficult - it needs to be convinced that fighting with your people is shameful and unworthy, it needs to serve. Do it quickly and competently. Although, she, the army, and so does not rush into battle, "plant and eradicate", everyone understands everything ...
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 4 May 2014 17: 21
      +1
      I won’t believe it until Yarosh banged
  32. Backrfire
    Backrfire 4 May 2014 08: 26
    +1
    "Urgently, urgently, I will organize a local history expedition to the museums of Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov, Odessa and other interesting cities of Ukraine. Your Dersu Uzala" laughing
  33. demotivator
    demotivator 4 May 2014 08: 30
    +4
    In fact, now for Russia Ukraine is a territory without power, and this excludes it from any negotiations regarding the future of this territory.

    Well, exactly like the situation with Poland after September 17, 1939. Then there, too, the Polish government escaped to Romania, leaving its people and army (or rather, its remnants) to the mercy of fate. And Poland, as a state, actually ceased to exist. "Puppy" also, like the last children of the noblemen of that time, did everything to destroy their country. Now about our reaction to events. As you know, Putin is a judoka and always plays on the opponent's mistakes. So in the Crimea and in the Donbass, he acted and is still waiting for the situation to ripen for decisive action due to the junta's mistake. So far, today, diplomats - Lavrov, Churkin and others - are fighting at the forefront.
  34. resh
    resh 4 May 2014 08: 34
    +5
    You can’t let our army be drawn into a civil war! And even more so during the war with the partisans, who will generously sponsor self-aware people. I support Velesovich. It is necessary to keep abreast and help humanitarianly. Media and so on.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 4 May 2014 12: 49
      0
      Quote: resh
      You can’t let our army be drawn into a civil war! And even more so during the war with the partisans, who will generously sponsor. I support Velesovich. It is necessary to keep abreast and help humanitarianly. Media and so on.

      The army should not fight with partisans, this should be done by the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the person of internal troops ...
      And in general to call partisans "forest brothers" it's like that negative ...
  35. Narkom
    Narkom 4 May 2014 08: 38
    +1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S3Pw7fYlZo&feature=share
  36. Python Kaa
    Python Kaa 4 May 2014 08: 48
    +11
    The introduction of troops is absolutely pointless. Their task - the defeat of the Ukrainian army, the Russian armed forces will solve in one day without a single shot, by the very fact of its appearance. By the way, the Ukrainian army doesn’t shoot anyway, legalized nationalists are doing this.
    And that's all. The army has no other tasks. The army cannot look for disguised Bandera. And "cutters" will definitely appear. They will crawl out at night and cut. No, not a soldier of the Russian Federation, they will be afraid to approach those, but their fellow citizens. We will get the same civil war as now.
    Is Russia ready to take responsibility for the organization and functioning of the entire infrastructure of the 45 millionth state, half of whose population is hostile to us? Yes, yes, do not create illusions - it is hostile.
    Things themselves are far from good. But in Ukraine everything needs to be changed, starting with the brains.
    Therefore, the maximum is to drive off armored vehicles with the help of aviation. And then solve purely pragmatic tasks with the help of money. Let them federalize, or create the Donetsk Republic, but themselves.
    Russia needs a transport corridor to Crimea, water for it, and several defense industry enterprises. All.
  37. Stasi
    Stasi 4 May 2014 08: 52
    0
    The deployment of troops is an extreme measure, I'm afraid that Putin will have to go to it. As for the militias of the South-East, one can really say - they have poor coordination of actions, few weapons and military equipment. Mutual assistance is also missing, they bomb and fire at Slavyansk - and what help from other nearby cities and settlements will not come? It is time for the population of the Southeast to understand that rallies and appeals cannot stop the war, it is useless. All these pravoseki were brutalized with impunity and taste of blood, the only thing that they can stop is a bullet. It’s time for the people to rise and launch a guerrilla war against Bandera, and Russia should help the people of the Southeast with weapons, food, medicine and volunteers with combat experience. By the way, humanitarian aid is very necessary to provide; for this, a corridor should be organized through which refugees can leave and pass humanitarian aid.
  38. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 4 May 2014 08: 53
    +2
    Shche did not die or Shche did not freeze? Those who in Ukraine (the former) think that everything will somehow settle down are deeply mistaken. There was nothing left before winter — less than six months. And this time is extremely short for economic recovery. And the junta cannot do this. She only thinks about holding on to power.
  39. Nikurov
    Nikurov 4 May 2014 09: 03
    +2
    Guys, where do the banderlogs get kerosene for their APCs, helicopters and airplanes? And why are these tanks and storages not yet blown up? No direct invasion is necessary - this is the war of the last century! We need targeted operations to immobilize military equipment. Learn to fight against Israel. Where are our ultraprecise Points-U and Iskander? And not a single soldier of our regular army on their territory.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 4 May 2014 12: 59
      0
      Quote: Nikurov
      Where are our ultraprecise Points-U and Iskander?

      Ukraine has no "Iskander", only "dot-u" and "peregrine falcon" on paper and maybe in the layout ...


      Quote: Nikurov
      Guys, where do the banderlogs get kerosene for their APCs, helicopters and airplanes? And why are these tanks and storages not yet blown up?

      if you tear the fuel and lubricants storage facilities, people will fill up their cars than they can from the Russian Federation, then only 20 liters can be transported.
  40. prostofily
    prostofily 4 May 2014 09: 03
    +5
    The morons who stand at the authorities in Kiev, you p-ts, with any development of the situation, do not hide where.
  41. uzer 13
    uzer 13 4 May 2014 09: 03
    +14
    If Lenin was remembered ...
    1. yushch
      yushch 4 May 2014 10: 57
      +1
      It would be more correct "Well, how do you like social sphere under capitalism"
  42. rassel0889
    rassel0889 4 May 2014 09: 05
    +1
    How to help the Militias if the border is locked ?! It is urgent to break through the border to send volunteers, medicines, weapons, etc. And this is not an easy task, I think.
    1. serzh 58
      serzh 58 4 May 2014 11: 49
      +2
      Yesterday, the leadership of the DPR announced the reassignment of all power structures under its leadership. Accordingly, the land and sea border with the Rostov region should be open.
    2. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 4 May 2014 20: 15
      0
      The task of re-subordinating the DPR to the Ukrainian border guards is one of the most important tasks. They are subordinate to the SBU, but the regional departments of the SBU were also somehow occupied by militias or the People's Army of the SE.
  43. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 4 May 2014 09: 14
    +3
    As for the pshek "Has not yet perished ...", so for these Pshek sluts "Not yet vmerla"
  44. Iskander_ru39
    Iskander_ru39 4 May 2014 09: 24
    +3
    The faster the South Russian lands rush through the Ruin, the better Russia. But. There are issues without which the Ruin can drag on for a very long time, to the delight of star-striped.
    About weapons. When trying to use a TV tower during a battle in Slavyansk, three Flies misfired in a row. Wrong storage?
    About the battles in the East. Neither soldiers nor militias are ready to kill “their own people” - it takes time and atrocities that the occupation authorities frantically produce. The same situation with the execution of civilians allegedly by the military, but in fact, by the “commissars” of the right sector.
    What to do?
    For high-quality performers you need high-quality weapons.
    Create groups of "trappers" for the most valuable "beast", with the demoralization of bonded staff. Use the Muslim method of elders to communicate with the middle officer link. Distribute leaflets among soldiers that do not offend their dignity, but make you think: “Who sends me here and why?”
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 4 May 2014 10: 50
      0
      Quote: Iskander_ru39
      Wrong storage?

      Maybe overdue?
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 4 May 2014 13: 01
        0
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        Quote: Iskander_ru39
        Wrong storage?

        Maybe overdue?

        Most likely, and if coupled with improper storage, then in general ...
  45. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 4 May 2014 09: 40
    +4
    Quote: Ulairy
    But with the army it is more difficult - it needs to be convinced that it is shameful and unworthy to fight with your people, it needs to be served. Do it quickly and competently. Although, she, the army, and so is not torn into battle, "to plant and eradicate", everyone understands everything ...

    maybe enough to deal with such a division? The Ukrainian army is located around the National Guard and the Pravoseks from the special battalions, covering them with its armor, supporting them with its strength, and firing at civilians. in fact, the Ukrainian army behaves like the Wehrmacht in relation to the SS. without this cover, the National Guard and the Right Sectors would never have dared to embark on this "liberation campaign"
  46. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 4 May 2014 09: 57
    +4
    To send troops to UKRAINE, and then everything will immediately be glad and everything will calm down, it will not be 1000 times worse, where at least millions of people who support this western government, and several million new people who think that RUSSIA has occupied their country will disappear. And the West will scream to the whole world about it. These millions of people will say the truth RUSSIA occupied us. And these Banderaites, fascists and all the others who support them, will kill thousands of RUSSIANS, cut us wherever possible, arrange arson and ter-acts. What to do with these millions, you can’t put everyone in jail, you can’t send them out of the country either. The United States will immediately have several million allies that will bring chaos to RUSSIA, and will begin to destroy RUSSIA. This can no longer be allowed. So measure a hundred times and cut once. hi
  47. Giant thought
    Giant thought 4 May 2014 10: 00
    0
    Now we need any practical action on our part to assist the southeast. The Ukrainian army is already at war with Russia, as it considers its brainwashed personnel. At one time, the Russian army went to save Bulgaria from Ottoman slavery, and then their own, Russian. It is not Christian to leave brothers in trouble.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 4 May 2014 13: 04
      0
      Quote: Thought Giant
      At one time, the Russian army went Bulgariasave from Ottoman slavery, and then their own, Russian.

      whose military units, then with Hitler attacked us at 41 ...
  48. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 4 May 2014 10: 14
    +2
    As the media broadcast on the protesters is not much. Yes and active resistance have a few. So the Kiev junta will still solve the problem posed by the IMF. And this country should compensate for this hyper-passivity at the cost of the lives of the great-grandchildren of the liberator people? No I do not want to.
  49. Mexican
    Mexican 4 May 2014 10: 16
    +5
    In my opinion, if there is, as VVP says, the legitimate President of Ukraine Yanukovych, the latter should announce in 1 day that a government in exile has been formed and form a Ukrainian Volunteer People's Liberation Army from citizens of Ukraine working in Russia and others. I am sure that 25-50 thousand volunteers will be recruited. Russia has the right to lend to this government and sell it the necessary weapons and ammunition. With this army, Yanukovych should enter the Donbass. The main thing should be a correct statement, such as that he enters, puts things in order and holds a referendum on determining the status of the regions. The guarantee of the loan repayment should be the loot that he and his company brought out of the country, and I think that the GDP has the tools to "unpack" it. In this scenario, we are kind of on the sidelines and the problem is solved in our favor. One snag - Yanukovych!
    1. Waroc
      Waroc 4 May 2014 11: 25
      0
      Yanukovych is not just a political corpse - he disgraced himself forever, no one will ever perceive him in any other way - a dud and a coward. Even in this situation, as you described, no one will follow him ... No one will even be with him ...
  50. Free wind
    Free wind 4 May 2014 10: 48
    +7
    Honestly, self-defense in Ukraine is generally not clear how. Statements, shock by arms, But there are no actions. Sandbags, tires ... some kind of Parisian commune. Well, at least you can get ready for defense? Dig trenches, equip firing positions. You can prepare the equipment for defense, well, let’s let KrAZ book, stick a couple of root leaves in the front springs, and he can easily withstand a ton and a half of armor. And loaded KrAZ I will tell you terrible power. When hit by an armored personnel carrier, it, an armored personnel carrier, can fly apart. During the war, they were booked on collective farm forges and tractors, and guns were hung on them. Sorry for the opinion.