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What makes the German army in Slavyansk?

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What makes the German army in Slavyansk?AUTHOR - PETER SCHWARZ, Secretary of the International Committee of the Fourth International, member of the international editorial board of the World Socialist Site.


Since April 25, pro-Russian activists in the Eastern Ukrainian city of Slavyansk have been holding eight military inspectors. This group of inspectors includes the 3 officer of the German army (Bundeswehr), the German translator, the 1 Czech, the 1 Pole, the 1 Dane and the 1 Swedish military inspector. The Swede was quickly released for reasons related to his health, writes wsws.org.

German media are constantly called detainees by OSCE monitors. And this is incorrect. The only connection between the OSCE and the detainees is that the presence of the latter in Ukraine is justified by the so-called Vienna Document agreed in 1992 by the 57 OSCE member states. Since then, this document has been updated several times.

However, this group did not receive approval from the OSCE for its activities in Ukraine, and this activity is not controlled by the OSCE. On the contrary, the military inspectors were instructed to intervene in Ukraine from the regime in Kiev, and they are under the direct control of their respective national defense ministries.

And this is confirmed by Klaus Neukirch, Deputy Director of the OSCE Center for Crisis Prevention. He stated that the group is participating in a bilateral mission led by the army and at the invitation of the Ukrainian government. Such inspections can be individually agreed between OSCE member countries.
In particular, the detained military observers have no relation to the OSCE observation mission, agreed by the OSCE member states, including Russia, on 21 in March. The mission consists of 500 civilian observers seconded to monitor the situation in Ukraine over the next 6 months, and they report directly to the OSCE. However, at the moment - May 1 - only about 100 members of this group work in Ukraine.

The confusion with the mission of Slavic detainees, deliberately organized by the German press, has two objectives. First, the fact of their detention is used to build up militarism towards Russia. Claiming that the pro-Russian forces are holding under arrest the mission of observers agreed by the international community, they say that Moscow is violating international treaties and conventions.

In addition, there is evidence that in this case the OSCE Vienna Document was deliberately misused by the rulers in Kiev and Berlin so as to provide them with at least some excuse for accusing anti-government activists of Slavyansk that their group acts like saboteurs.

The Vienna Document is considered a confidence building tool. It is designed to provide OSCE members, especially neighboring countries, with the ability to monitor the activities of their neighbors' armed forces, and thus reduce the risk of military confrontation. This document does not allow observing the warring forces during internal conflicts. He clearly does not allow this in the case when the country requesting such a mission takes an active part in the conflict, and this is exactly what is happening in Ukraine.

In an interview with the Bavarian Radio 23 on April, the head of the detained group, Colonel Axel Schneider, stressed that his group wanted only to “form an idea” of the state of the “regular armed forces, state armed forces” in Ukraine — that is, about her official army. He ruled out any possibility of observing anti-government rebels: “We only observe the security forces of Ukraine.”

However, based on this statement, it is impossible to explain why his group then traveled to Slavyansk, a city in the hands of the rebels and besieged by the Ukrainian army. Most likely, his group was sent there to gather information about the rebels, against whom the West-backed Kiev regime is fighting.

Even if Schneider spoke the truth, it would mean that the role of his group is to monitor the dispersal of the insurgents by the Ukrainian army, many of whose units refuse to shoot pro-Russian activists in eastern Ukraine. In any case, the role of the German and European forces in the dispersal, organized by the Kiev regime, became obvious. Colonel Schneider, assigned to the Armed Forces Verification Center and officially subordinate to the German Ministry of Defense, said in an interview that he coordinated his activities “very closely with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs”, headed by Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who played a key role in during the coup in Ukraine and providing full support to the Kiev regime.

Many details of the events in Slavyansk remain unclear, but one thing is clear: the Bundeswehr is much more active in Ukraine than it is publicly acknowledged in this.
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  1. psychologist
    psychologist 4 May 2014 14: 35
    +66
    like what??!!! came to rake in full !!
    1. brelok
      brelok 4 May 2014 14: 38
      +37
      It seems our time has come to do what the grandfathers did? It can be seen that Russia’s fate is soaking the world's evil
      1. ya.seliwerstov2013
        ya.seliwerstov2013 4 May 2014 15: 17
        +37
        I know, sleep and you see
        So that Russia will not be on the map,
        But we want to disappoint you, alas,
        Do not hope, you do not dream.
        We were, are and will always be
        And beat anyone adversary,
        And all those who wish us harm,
        Better remember the year forty-fifth.
        1. jjj
          jjj 4 May 2014 21: 23
          +12
          After the foreigners were evacuated, the true reason for the officers being in the conflict zone was made public. The junta invited and sent them to the Donbass in order to kill them there and dump them on Russia. Just the day before, they talked about the impending large-scale provocation. The goal is to involve the West and, above all, Germany in the conflict in Ukraine.
          When together with Lukin they drove in the control zone of the junta they shot at them
      2. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 4 May 2014 15: 47
        +14
        It is definitely time! Apparently, this is going ... not in vain V. Putin sent to pull out "these fucking peacekeepers" only in order to officially and legally record the intervention of the German security officials in the affairs of Ukraine and thereby slightly rein in Merkel in her anti-Russian campaign. The ground and background are clearly being prepared for decisive intervention "forcing" the Banderlog to prudence ...
        Rather ... because the blood of innocent victims calls for this.
        Yesterday it was still early ... but as if the day after tomorrow it would not be too late!
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      4. aksakal
        aksakal 4 May 2014 15: 52
        +28
        Quote: brelok
        It seems our time has come to do what the grandfathers did? It can be seen that Russia’s fate is soaking the world's evil

        - yes to Germans and French to provide their favorite rake every seventy years laughing In short, in the process, a generation of those taught from them dies - a new one appears that needs to be re-taught life laughing
        No, the Germans, for God's sake, it’s time to pay for the training already, but it’s sweet for free and vinegar.
        Laughter, laughter, but didn’t the Germans happen to be lame? After all, only about fifteen years ago, with tears of Gorbachev, they asked to turn the GDR to them, nothing had happened, and they were already trying to tidy Ukraine to the boot am And seriously, life has convinced me, never GIVE any slack, even out of pity and philanthropy! Firstly, they will not appreciate it, and secondly, you sharply increase your risks. And the case with insolent Germany, which seems to have been tearfully asking just recently for the clearest example of this. And seriously, you won't want to fight the enemy with the Germans. With the Americans - for God's sake, with the French - for God's sake. And so there is a serious signal to press the Germans to the nail. There the Jews are good fellows - the Germans are crushing the Holocaust "that, they don't give a breath. They know, give the slack - tomorrow there is a" reverse Holocaust "in the sense that 70 years of brutal oppression with the help of a fictional Holocaust" you will collapse! " Russia, take an example and build Germany! Her loss should be forever and no revenge!
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 4 May 2014 19: 26
          +5
          Quote: aksakal
          Laugh laugh but Germans case didn’t get so bad?

          I assure you - no.
          Dear "Aksakal"! I ask you - do not generalize. I always considered you a reasonable and educated person. But here you are wrong.
          Quote: aksakal
          After all, only about fifteen years ago, with tears of Gorbachev, they asked to turn them to the GDR

          I confirm. There was a case. They even were against joining the "Westerners", for which they blame the hunchback, which allowed them to "take away" the eastern lands. About ten years, as a result of this they had a complete * oops. With the closure of businesses and everything else. Accompanying this.
          And now many are not averse to returning the times of the GDR. About how we are the USSR.
          Quote: aksakal
          nothing has passed, and they are already trying to tidy Ukraine to the boot

          Nooooo ..... Ha-ha-ha ... How can I prove to you that most GERMANS absolutely don't give a damn about what's going on among the "Russians". They hardly share.
          It looks like how we would react if this happened to the Scots and the Angles or the Spaniards and the Catalans. No way ....

          In Ukraine, they thought NOT GERMANS, but employees of special services. Let Germany.
          They get a deny for this, and therefore carry out the order.
          Apparently they get little or the qualifications are low, which allowed themselves to get confused.
          Quote: aksakal
          the Germans do not want to fight the enemy. With the Americans - for God's sake, with the French - for God's sake.

          Right! Only here are the French, capable of WINNING left.
          Quote: aksakal
          There the Jews are good fellows - the Germans are crushing the Holocaust "that, they don't give a breath. They know, give the slack - tomorrow there is a" reverse Holocaust "in the sense that 70 years of brutal oppression with the help of a fictional Holocaust" you will collapse! "

          That's just the Germans are not in Jewish banks and state. structures. And the Jews in Germany are like lice in a trench mattress. All levels. This is also a kind of control.
          1. 290980
            290980 4 May 2014 19: 48
            +6
            That's just the Germans are not in Jewish banks and state. structures. And the Jews in Germany are like lice in a trench mattress. All levels. This is also a kind of control.

            it is the media also under them
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 4 May 2014 19: 57
              +2
              But what about ... Money - power - information. The formula was invented by the Jews themselves. It works flawlessly. Everywhere, always.
        2. does it
          does it 5 May 2014 07: 23
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          Yes, the Germans and the French to provide their favorite rake every seventy years. In short, in the course of a generation taught by them dies - a new one appears that needs to be re-taught life

          I don’t know if the Wehrmacht will step on the old rake, but I advise you to watch the video .....
      5. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 4 May 2014 17: 08
        +4
        Quote: brelok
        It seems our time has come to do what the grandfathers did? It can be seen that Russia’s fate is soaking the world's evil

        Get wet! And, if - evil - in the toilet! Article "plus". The common truth is stated. I understand: not the employees of the GRU, the FSB and the SVR are visitors to the military, but it is better to refrain from speaking in defense of the "humanists from the OSCE," especially when the OSCE immediately renounced the involvement of the "group of military observers" in its mission. (Before the arrival of urgent requests from Washington - Langley afterwards ...)
      6. wow
        wow 4 May 2014 18: 48
        +2
        What !? Have you forgotten how this ends!? If you forget, then we are NOT !!!
      7. schizophrenic
        schizophrenic 4 May 2014 19: 53
        +1
        In order to reassure mattresses in Germany, I propose that in the territory of Germany for the counteraction of the USA several Russian bases with a strength of 20-30 thousand people be deployed. The pretext is to avoid tank biathlon to the La Manche and just let it try to refuse.
    2. dmitry_den
      dmitry_den 4 May 2014 14: 40
      +13
      at the cost of the lives of 140 million Russians?
      1. Hans51
        Hans51 4 May 2014 14: 55
        +47
        It's time for them to send such SMS messages again!
        1. dmitry_den
          dmitry_den 4 May 2014 15: 10
          -85%
          due to the lack of funds for the used SMS, it was ordered to switch to the economical tariff "Rubber"
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          3. sv68
            sv68 4 May 2014 19: 55
            +3
            Dmitry den change the flag and buy yourself human brains
          4. Proud.
            Proud. 4 May 2014 21: 30
            +2
            Muchacha! Inflatable models of military equipment are available to both the sisters and the comrades. Demik is not active, and just stupid.
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          6. northern
            northern 5 May 2014 02: 02
            +1
            what kind of epaulet do you have, division "dead head"?
            1. kush62
              kush62 5 May 2014 04: 44
              +1
              what kind of epaulet do you have, division "dead head"?

              Stupid head division
          7. xenod55
            xenod55 5 May 2014 12: 33
            0
            Who are you!!!!
        2. Registrar
          Registrar 4 May 2014 15: 24
          +16
          It’s necessary for Putin to congratulate Merkel on May 9,
          sending her this photo!
        3. does it
          does it 5 May 2014 07: 25
          0
          Quote: Hans51
          It's time for them to send such SMS messages again!

          The first SMS! This is when the Greeks and the Romans dead animals were thrown into the cities besieged by catapults!
    3. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 4 May 2014 15: 27
      +11
      so what did the Germans do in Slavyansk? I did not understand what NATO was doing in Slavyansk if they were spying on someone on the Kiev junta, or on NATO from the United States.
      1. demo
        demo 4 May 2014 19: 29
        +6
        The guys from NATO can not trust a single word maydaunov.
        And everyone needs true information - like air.
        Put yourself in the place of any EU leader.
        What information to rely on - on Ukrainian - is complete nonsense.
        To the Russian - it seems to be disinformation.
        So the men were sent.
        And take them and get involved.
        In place of VV, another performance had to be played.
        Invite representatives of the ministries of defense of the countries of their affiliation to take their soldiers
        In the rank of deputy ministers.
        And cure them to the fullest.
        That would be a concert.
        It's a pity.
      2. 290980
        290980 4 May 2014 19: 56
        +7
        so what did the Germans do in Slavyansk?

        also did not understand the meaning in the presence of the Germans there, the only thing that comes to mind, the amers needed them to be lit there and thus Germany automatically takes the side of the United States in this conflict.

        ps .. but in general, scouts, with his translator? !!!))) this is something new
    4. Slotxnumx
      Slotxnumx 4 May 2014 17: 09
      +4
      Our ancestors stopped at Paris, Berlin ... next time you need to go to the Atlantic itself !!! Europe, as history shows, is a hotbed of plague and dirt !!! IMHO.
    5. sem-yak
      sem-yak 4 May 2014 19: 21
      0
      It’s so customary in them in Geyropia, they just like Sadomaso! Here they are and do not like Russia, that it does not play their role-playing fagot! There they are, how many active p..sov in Ukraine did what pravoseki alone cost! Mrazkel won Eblamka went to say that Volodya doesn’t give us pi ... lei so at least you influence him!
      1. sem-yak
        sem-yak 4 May 2014 19: 52
        +3
        Well! So hit the point, since pido .. we put a minus to me!
        Apparently very ruminous and sensual!
      2. northern
        northern 5 May 2014 02: 07
        0
        clarification, pravoseki - passive p..sy, not active.
    6. TR-25
      TR-25 4 May 2014 21: 30
      +3
      Puppeteers will have to answer for Ukraine
    7. xenod55
      xenod55 5 May 2014 12: 43
      0
      I completely agree that all venereology and others like them (gonorrhea or "French runny nose", syphilis, lice and fleas) were brought to Russia EXACTLY from Europe under Peter the Great. If he had known, cutting a window to Europe, what filth would creep from there to Russia, he would have applied total "disinfection". But the past cannot be reversed. Apparently the time has come for our generation to carry out this "disinfection".
  2. Monk
    Monk 4 May 2014 14: 36
    +11
    In order to refresh the memory of the 40s ..
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    2. Little Muck
      Little Muck 4 May 2014 14: 47
      +13
      Quote: Monk
      In order to refresh the memory of the 40s ..

      Genes called, but forgot or did not have time to tell how the trip could end. laughing
      In general, what can be expected from the West. Meanness, cunning, cynicism, etc.
      S.uki in short. Let Russia bow that they got out alive.
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      2. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 4 May 2014 15: 03
        +8
        Quote: Little Muck
        In general, what can be expected from the West. Meanness, deceit, cynicism, etc., the sciences, in short. Let Russia bow that they got out alive.

        THEY ARE LIVING THIS FROM MEDIEVAL AGE ONLY WHAT CHANGED THAT THE POISON IS NOT USED NOW, AT LEAST WHO KNOWS IT! Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
        1. lecturer
          lecturer 4 May 2014 15: 16
          +8
          THEY ARE LIVING THIS FROM MEDIEVAL AGE ONLY WHAT CHANGED THAT THE POISON IS NOT USED NOW, AT LEAST WHO KNOWS IT!

          How is it not used? And where did I hear the other day about the psychotropic states of Ukrainian "warriors" with suspicious "withdrawal symptoms" in hospitals ???
  3. another RUSICH
    another RUSICH 4 May 2014 14: 39
    +5
    Does anyone explain why they were just released and that's it ?! They didn’t even change anyone!
    1. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p 4 May 2014 14: 43
      +4
      Politics, that’s how it is ... sad
    2. robinson
      robinson 4 May 2014 14: 44
      +18
      Quote: another RUSICH
      Does anyone explain why they were just released and that's it ?! They didn’t even change anyone!

      They did everything right. These were specially framed, surrendered to be able to throw a piece of shit into the propeller. What the hell are scouts with diabetes? Let go - played the situation back. All the same, no one would change anyone for them. If something happened to them, the West would only be better. Tons of shit would fly. Not?
      1. igor_m_p
        igor_m_p 4 May 2014 14: 49
        +8
        Quote: robinson
        If something happened to them, the West would only be better.


        A version has already been voiced that they were deliberately sent to the area of ​​greatest tension with a secret calculation that they would either crash or something else, so that later a high and a howl to the whole world to raise about "terrorists" destroying peace missions ...

        Not fused ...
      2. surovts.valery
        surovts.valery 4 May 2014 15: 06
        +2
        What the hell are scouts with diabetes?

        Already during the time they were held captive, cirrhosis of the liver has come, and so they looked so painful during transmission.
      3. koshh
        koshh 4 May 2014 15: 27
        +4
        Quote: robinson
        They did everything right.


        Naturally. And this German officer during this time, in order to save his skins, managed to sing so much interesting for the GRU. In volume to the Great Soviet Encyclopedia will pull.
      4. Free Island
        Free Island 4 May 2014 15: 52
        +6
        well, firstly, they let go to show that the militia of the southeast has nothing to do with the terrorists to whom the western onlookers are so accustomed, that is, they do not shoot prisoners and do not cut off their ears and heads, well, and secondly - so that these "observers from the OSCE" could tell the world, or at least in their families sitting in the kitchen, that there are no terrorists and separatists in the southeast, that there are just normal people who do not want to live under Bandera and other feces.
    3. istomin36
      istomin36 4 May 2014 14: 49
      +3
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_yQ2Fd3FV5E
      Interrogated, received all the information and released laughing
    4. Stavros
      Stavros 4 May 2014 15: 03
      +5
      A gesture of goodwill, damn it. Next time to slap these bitches quietly, and be silent. Let them look for creatures.
  4. mig31
    mig31 4 May 2014 14: 42
    +2
    Lies, in the ranks of the West and the State Department, are inexhaustible, worthy hebels heirs ...
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    2. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 4 May 2014 15: 17
      +8
      Quote: mig31
      Lies, in the ranks of the West and the State Department, are inexhaustible, worthy hebels heirs ...

      After the defeat of Nazi Germany, the United States hired a lot of SS men and the whole agent network, and they also adopted the methods - you can just rattle dogs like no business, and the dog breaches until it kicks, then it pulls its tail and runs off to the booth - humble to whine ...
  5. Slavich
    Slavich 4 May 2014 14: 42
    +10
    It was necessary to keep them all the same until May 9, so that they would be imbued with the spirit of our victory. And then lead them through the streets of Slavyansk as their ancestors drove through the streets of Moscow.
  6. Tartary
    Tartary 4 May 2014 14: 43
    +13
    And it is most interesting for me to finally hear the voice of the "geese" that disappeared in the vastness of Donbass ...)))
    Where did the Gentiles go?
    Who is "nursing" them now ?? request
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 4 May 2014 17: 14
      +1
      increase soil productivity near Slavyansk. repeat
  7. tundra
    tundra 4 May 2014 14: 48
    +11
    Damn the Germans at least stuffed face. In honor of the upcoming holiday. Again, because peppered, not called.
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 4 May 2014 17: 15
      +3
      laughing
      Quote: tundra
      Damn the Germans at least stuffed face. In honor of the upcoming holiday. Again, because peppered, not called.

      or doused from a fire extinguisher laughing
  8. bars280
    bars280 4 May 2014 14: 51
    +4
    I don’t know what they are doing, but I know what they will do ... they will receive Lyuli
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  10. homosum20
    homosum20 4 May 2014 14: 54
    +7
    Generally some kind of nonsense. Political correctness abruptly American. A citizen of another country, caught at the scene of hostilities and not in the form of the armed forces of his country, is a spy. Preventive measure - shooting on the spot. In shape - a prisoner of war. Preventive measure - concentration camp. And if you are afraid of the European Union stepping on a finger - kneel down and beat your head on the asphalt (I hope you knock yourself something that replaces your brains). Because you play war games and not fight. What for an adult is a sign of a lack of brains. Because you are at war. But rather not with you. With us.
    1. wax
      wax 4 May 2014 17: 31
      +3
      Do not give free rein to the hectic brain. All provocations of the Kiev junta and amers are calculated at a time and their failure is shown.
  11. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 4 May 2014 14: 57
    +1
    What makes the German army in Slavyansk?

    It conducts reconnaissance and checks the results of b / d before paying for them.
  12. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 4 May 2014 15: 00
    +5
    Guys, not funny already, returned from rest on the first day, 3 days without a TV and news. I’m shocked, in short, we don’t sit out in summer cottages and on the Internet, I have to boot ... to feed these creatures on the ribs, climbed west into the Russian garden ...
  13. igorra
    igorra 4 May 2014 15: 04
    +2
    It is a pity that they released, would exchange for their own, well, or at worst hanged.
    With these, there is no other way, they understand only power.
  14. andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 May 2014 15: 09
    +21
    but one thing is clear: the Bundeswehr is much more active in Ukraine than it is publicly recognized in this.

    hopes for revenge? Well, well ... for a long time ours did not drive to Berlin without a visa
    1. S_W_A_T_72
      S_W_A_T_72 4 May 2014 15: 42
      +5
      And why do we need a VISA? =) I look at us for a freebie for a while ..... I’m even from Novosib, ready to help our .......
  15. kocclissi
    kocclissi 4 May 2014 15: 11
    +28
    Forgot to see what the phrase "Do not get in, it will kill!"
  16. Wels75
    Wels75 4 May 2014 15: 16
    +5
    Quote: Bashkaus
    Guys, not funny already, returned from rest on the first day, 3 days without a TV and news. I’m shocked, in short, we don’t sit out in summer cottages and on the Internet, I have to boot ... to feed these creatures on the ribs, climbed west into the Russian garden ...

    I don’t let the phone out of my hands all the exits, morally, only Russian and Orthodox people can be supported. As for these foreigners, I consider them to be ordinary spies, stupidly stupidly illiterate with a bang who decided to see what for. Did you see how they left? Hugged and hugged, just did not kiss the mayor of the people. Hence the conclusion, they were accepted as befits the Russian people with all their souls, despite the fact that they took the spies. For some reason I’m not surprised.
  17. volkodav
    volkodav 4 May 2014 15: 19
    +8
    and where are two battalions of Crimeans? maybe someone will say request
    1. TekhnarMAF
      TekhnarMAF 4 May 2014 15: 42
      +10
      and where are two battalions of Crimeans? maybe someone will say

      Yeah, right now, how do you please get the info? SMS or in PM! belay hi
      1. volkodav
        volkodav 4 May 2014 20: 00
        0
        so you don’t see any cases, or they worked on the camera like our dressed-up Cossacks and scattered around the huts, otherwise we would shout to the right-wingers and in their sarties to wet and tear on rags
      2. volkodav
        volkodav 4 May 2014 20: 00
        0
        so you don’t see any cases, or they worked on the camera like our dressed-up Cossacks and scattered around the huts, otherwise we would shout to the right-wingers and in their sarties to wet and tear on rags
    2. zao74
      zao74 4 May 2014 15: 57
      +2
      And this question worries me ...
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    4. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 4 May 2014 16: 24
      +6
      In Crimea! Who will let them go to the battlefield? I am not against patriotism and the desire to help the brothers Slavs, but Kotovsky commanded a "brigade" with a number of fifty horsemen. A full-blooded battalion is 900 people, three companies of three hundred people, one light machine gun per squad of 60 people. To the "machine" company. Rotary RPG. This is at least ... one company in three lines and a distance of one meter = 100 meters * 6 = a column of one kilometer, with intervals between the companies. And quietly, quietly, so past the border posts and the troops of Ukraine, so that no one could see.
    5. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 4 May 2014 17: 42
      -5
      Forget about the Krymchaks, they received Russian passports - now let them sit silently and rejoice!
      I remain at my place, Crimea could not be attached!
      Now any participation of Crimeans in the events in eastern Ukraine is "external interference from the affairs of a sovereign state."
      Admit to yourself, to happen (God forbid) such lawlessness in Russia, any of you without a hang up will hang on the nearest post the opponent who is supposedly for one of the parties to the internal conflict, but who has a passport of another country.
      Crimea could become the second capital, the rear of Ukrainian resistance, even Crimea made up 5% of the population of Ukraine, and in any elections and referenda (at least on the issue of joining the customs union) 5% is not so small. Krymchaks who need to be given due respect could defend their native land, could move further west, uniting all those who disagree with the Kiev junta around themselves in order to free all of Ukraine from this abomination as the citizens of this country, and instead they left for the Russian Federation.
      And then our media began to differ: they either show the downed Mi8 allegedly Ukrainian, but with Syrian identification marks, then today they showed the downed Mi-24 under Slavic, only on Ka52 shots that fell in Moscow. Well, how, how do our media now differ from the Western ones, which go so far as to build the scenery of entire cities (I'm talking about Tripoli) for the right picture?
      Russia should not be likened to a spiritually decayed enemy using its own methods. If you don’t like something, you shouldn’t chew hysterically in the media, but immediately enter officially Washington’s troops without talking.
      Just understand, it’s difficult to remain in such a person with a capital letter and remain true to honor and your own words, as our grandfathers did, who did not respond to the Nazis by burning and shooting their children with the same, but instead gave their rations to feed the German children. Russians have always remained PEOPLE!
      1. Berkut-UA
        Berkut-UA 4 May 2014 19: 40
        +4
        Quote: Bashkaus
        Forget about the Krymchaks, they received Russian passports - now let them sit silently and rejoice!
        I remain at my place, Crimea could not be attached!
        ........ Russians have always remained PEOPLE!


        And if Crimea had not joined, then we would have seen "Odessa-2" but already in Simferopol or Sevastopol.
        And because the Russians have always remained people, unlike the Ukrainians - when the people of Crimea asked for protection from
        Ukrainian fascism -Moscow extended its hand.
        Russian Russians - SAVE
        and Ukrainians Ukrainians are burned alive.
      2. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 5 May 2014 06: 43
        0
        Crimea "could be this or that", and now it is a pain in the ass for anyone who will be in Kiev except us, in any case.
  18. Giant thought
    Giant thought 4 May 2014 15: 32
    +5
    Well, let’s say so far not the German army, but its individual representatives at the invitation of the Kiev authorities, who specifically did this for provocative purposes, and the provocation failed again, the developers of such operations at the junta still have low qualifications.
  19. doktorlar
    doktorlar 4 May 2014 15: 33
    +2
    This question has not yet been answered
  20. Arkan
    Arkan 4 May 2014 15: 36
    +2
    The Germans crave revenge ?! Forgot Stalingrad ?! They forgot that we took Berlin (in Slavic means a dam) three times ?! It will be the fourth time and the fifth!
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 4 May 2014 15: 48
      +5
      The Germans do not crave neh-ene. This pad-la Merkel, the shame of the nation caved in under the phishington. Znalab it is how I am angry with her .....
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 4 May 2014 16: 10
      +1
      Where does this information come from? turned over the entire Church Slavonic dictionary: Ber- bear, lino-rope - rope. Close to this is the German word "Berloga" - ber-bear, log-place of rest. It also makes sense "bear on a rope". Tell me where the news comes from, I'm just always interested in such things.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 4 May 2014 16: 34
        0
        Berlin - swamp, swamp.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 4 May 2014 18: 10
          +1
          The name of the city comes from the German word "bear" (German: Bär). Since 1280, the bear has been a symbol of Berlin.
          According to one of the "versions" the name "Berlin" (as well as others with a percussive "-in" - Schwerin, Stettin, etc.) is of Slavic (?) Origin and goes back to the Polabian "berl" ("swamp").
          But the second from the field of speculation.

          Another option. The word "Berlin" comes from the Hebrew male name Burl.
          The name Burl, in turn, takes its roots from the Yiddish base ber, meaning "bear." Previously, it was traditional for many nations to give born children names associated with the name of a plant or animal. This corresponded to ancient religious ideas about the world.
          This is generally akin to absurdity and the eternal Jewish quality of "clinging to everything" ...

          Etymology - that drawbar.
          As "turned" (profitable) - and so it happened ...
  21. vsoltan
    vsoltan 4 May 2014 15: 46
    +3
    But what are they doing .... sniffing out .... well, let them ... and let them go .... let them go - then Russia, which means there is a legal interest - they say, 'we are all in white, and some even th # not .. Germany .... sworn friend .... with the Germans the Russians would have turned the whole world ... this has already happened in history, it happened ... what was the use of these idiots to shoot or exchange?
  22. Turkir
    Turkir 4 May 2014 15: 48
    0
    Overlap Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine gas.
    Now.
    Stop ceremonial with the KILLERS.
    German Bild announced FBI and CIA assistance to official Kiev
    Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/256399-nemetskaya-bild-zayavila-o-pomoshchi-fbr-i-tsru
    -ofitsialnomu-kievu
  23. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 4 May 2014 15: 54
    +4
    The Germans refuse to teach their own outstanding figure Otto Von Bismarck.
    The armed forces of Germany have forgotten the lessons learned by their fathers and grandfathers ... but in vain, we in Russia do not forget anything ... especially the aggression of foreign troops.
  24. shasherin_pavel
    shasherin_pavel 4 May 2014 15: 57
    +6
    We are stubbornly drawn into hostilities on Ukrainian territory! At first, we are repeatedly reproached for inaction in the OSCE and are called upon to disarm the South-East of Ukraine, as if this is our territory and we have power there, but for some reason no one proposes to replace by force and disarm the Kiev junta. But this is exactly what should be done in the first place .... Now we are slipping twelve victims of the "separatists" ). The first victim should be in the form of a fool who was sent with diabetes mellitus to the territory where Kiev stopped supplying diabetes medicine - insulin. If he was detained a little longer and he “threw back his hooves,” who would be to blame? "Separatists"! They would have killed a peaceful observer! But not lack of insulin. They only lacked a tattoo on their forehead: "I am a spy, shoot me." Carry maps of the area with you when there is a Navigator in your "mobile". The badge of the tanker "Bundeswehr, by the way very similar to the badge of the tanker" Wehrmacht "36-45. and half of Europe will be involved, a “noble” revenge will be added for the murder of a democratic European by “separatists.” That's just the question arises, they themselves understood that they were being led to “slaughter” as a victim from a democratic government to a “RIGHT” case, from “RIGHT "sector. And they would have erected a monument to them in Europe: the bourgeois is driving a Mercedes - hello fools! Fascism is marching across the planet - hello fools!
    1. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA 4 May 2014 19: 57
      +1
      Quote: shasherin_pavel
      We are being steadily drawn into military operations on Ukrainian territory! At first, we are repeatedly reproached for inaction in the OSCE and called to disarm the South-East of Ukraine, as if it is our territory and we have power there, but for some reason no one offers to change by force and disarm the Kiev junta ......


      So maybe it’s time to declare for everyone in Europe and America - since you really wanted Russia to somehow influence and stop the conflict in Ukraine - we are going to YOU!
      Well, where we stop - we do not know yet;
      whether it will be on the banks of the Dnieper
      whether it will be on the border of the USSR;
      whether it will be on the border of 1945
      Or maybe on the Atlantic coast.

      It will all depend on your behavior.
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  26. 120352
    120352 4 May 2014 16: 00
    +2
    They seem to have already been to those places. During World War II. How it ended, we know. Probably they liked it, it is necessary to repeat.
    In general, it’s somehow strange. Are they masochists?
    But seriously, all the reasons for being in Germany appeared ... well, in general, you yourself understand who. Only the banner for installation above the Reichstag should be updated and a new place in its roof provided. Let both banners stand there. And from 1945, and from 2014. So it will be more visual, and it can be seen from a larger number of parties. It is helpful for sclerotics to look at them from time to time.
    Some interesting frequency is obtained: once every 59 years, and not once every 11, as Chizhevsky wrote.
  27. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 4 May 2014 16: 05
    +4
    Well, you know ... they wanted to find out where the "sallo-milk-cock-egg" was, but they got caught ... :)
  28. shitovmg
    shitovmg 4 May 2014 16: 11
    +5
    My classmates living in Ukraine consider us aggressors and demand non-interference in their internal affairs, to withdraw Russian troops from Ukraine! Other classmates who defended Transnistria in the 92nd year and stood at the checkpoints in Crimea this year argue like we do in Russia! That's how Ukraine (America) split us!
    1. yushch
      yushch 4 May 2014 16: 40
      +3
      What is surprising, on Ukrtv they are told 24 hours a day about "Russian akupants". Really brainwashed.
  29. tnship2
    tnship2 4 May 2014 16: 24
    +4
    Ordinary scouts under cover, the Bundeswehr sent to see what and how in the east of Dill. They hoped to see the deployed brigades of the Russian Airborne Forces and race to report to their superiors. Peaceful people who came out to express their opinion, in Europe are already accustomed to the fact that where they will not fit, blood is shedding everywhere. The opinion of ordinary citizens, especially the aborigines, is not essential. There are not even many-sided hypocrites. Hold on, brothers, Slavs. Now the freed "martyrs" will come running. will begin to talk about the horrors of captivity.
  30. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 4 May 2014 16: 25
    +2
    The pack of jackals felt that it was possible to profit! Choose objects for their sponsors. The Germans apparently also want to tear off their piece!
  31. Lyton
    Lyton 4 May 2014 16: 27
    +3
    Chota, I doubt that the Kiev junta sent them to intelligence in the hope that they will be slammed, and then everyone will complain about the terrorism of the southeast, high-ranking officers did not understand where they were going and they could get a bullet in the forehead, kamikaze, or maybe their themselves wanted to dunk.
    I think the truth is somewhere nearby, but we don’t know it yet, and on the camera from them it’s chatter.
    All with past and upcoming holidays.
  32. Larusik
    Larusik 4 May 2014 16: 34
    +2
    In the minds and thoughts, the territory of Ukraine has already been divided into parts and distributed among the clans of Germany and America. So it was in the last century, with that they came to the USSR, but got snot. History is cyclical.
  33. Harin Oleg
    Harin Oleg 4 May 2014 16: 58
    +1
    The "Kazachkov" were sent precisely with the aim of something happening to them. Even if a diabetic became ill, only this could be interpreted as a threat to the life of "peaceful" observers. And God forbid, something more serious - after all, there is something to hide, and there are enough scumbags among anti-mideowns. Any incident with the zaslants would have completely untied the hands of the armed rabble who were on the side of the Ukrainian junta. And then Odessa Khatyn would seem like petty hooliganism.
  34. falcon
    falcon 4 May 2014 17: 04
    +6
    Answering the question posed by the Author of the article in the title "What did the German army do in
    Slavyansk? ", It can be argued with a fair amount of confidence that she was widely
    famous Russian hospitality and hospitality. In the shortest possible time, the militias managed to saturate this motley NATO team with the "spirit of separatism" to the last liver cell.
    And the post-war experience clearly shows that there is no better guide to our ideology than
    a person of German nationality who has been in Russian captivity! Looking at how genuine
    sincere regret, swaying slightly, these "hostages" bid farewell to the "separatists"
    you involuntarily understand that for the Germans these few days were apparently the best in life.
    We've got some pretty good "agents of influence". People's Administration of Slavyansk
    great respect! :))
  35. Altona
    Altona 4 May 2014 17: 14
    +8
    Almost simultaneously, several events did not seem to be interlinked with each other:
    1) German business (Adidas, Volkswagen, Siemens, Rurgaz) asked Merkel not to engage in garbage with sanctions;
    2) Merkel went to Obama to sing mantras about the "terrible package of 80-th sanctions";
    3) Lukin's mission and the release of military Euro-hostages "without any conditions";
    4) Ponomarev's statement that the DPR Russia "does not need" assistance;
    5) The intensive offensive of the Ukrainian army on a number of cities in the DPR and the same intense retreat ...
    Well, now we are tying everything together in detail ... A German Air Force airliner flew in for the NATO military, personally saw a cross bar on board in the news ... Lukin and Ponomarev were very pleased, Steinmeier was even more satisfied thanking Lukin for his excellent work ... Ponomarev was happy because ... he received money from the Germans for weapons and the conduct of a referendum ... Only fools can think that they are releasing such a sickly noble fish "without any conditions" ... Lukin could not bring weapons, so he brought money from Germany, million so 50-100 eurek by diplomatic mail, otherwise nafig he flew in .... And probably brought a new broadband satellite telephone with powerful encryption for communication with Shoigu ... And the money was essno given by the Germans ... The Germans also need the DPR. to ensure the transit of gas to Europe, well, and other nice buns in the form of predictability ... And therefore the European Commission recognizes the debt for gas for Ukraine ... In general, Merkel distracts Obamka, while German business is playing its game with Putin ... Fershtein?
    Well, for a denyuzhka, it’s not a problem to bathe weapons from the Ukrainian forces, the scheme has been working for a long time ... Otherwise, where do the Southeast have new MANPADS and RPGs? I doubt that they can be obtained in the mentovik and SBU ... Not special equipment ...
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    It was too lazy to print, I copied my posts from the clams ... That's about how I imagine this thing ...
  36. Altona
    Altona 4 May 2014 17: 17
    +3
    I watched Euronews in the morning, showed the OSCE military govdelegation who ended up in Slavyansk ... The German shit warrior was presented from two perspectives with the same question: "How were you treated?" Under Ponomarev he answered "passably", under Lukin "we were in terrible conditions" ... These are such shitty people in Germany ... The second point is that Western journalists constantly stick to Ponomarev, shoot him from unfavorable angles, then they make a special edit to show his gloomy and annoyed ... As if a person has time to constantly communicate with journalists, he already gives them press conferences every day ...

    14:11
    The second point ... At the referendum there will be only one question: "Do you recognize the Donetsk People's Republic?" There are no entry into Russia and other buttherts for the West in the referendum ... So the West can continue to defecate with bricks ...

    14:14
    The third point- Ponomarev told Western journalists that they do not need Russian help and they will completely cope and keep the situation ... Now my comment means that if the referendum is held on May 11, then the shit out of Ukropia and the National Guard should be tackled very far, preferably to Lviv and Ternopol (because the DPR will already legally ask the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to give Lyuli to the Nazis) ... But geyropei govnouznateli do not catch such information and watch television as propagandos and Hollywood, where there are a lot of srach and shortcuts, pravoseki, putlerism, rashism and etc...
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    I accumulated a little more ... In general, the peasants need to hold out for a week and hold a referendum, 11th referendum, 12th our army in the DPR ...
  37. Barakuda
    Barakuda 4 May 2014 17: 29
    +3
    I read it, thought it over and understood - Shoigu should start the next "planned" exercises ..- continue.
    It’s necessary how to the Chinese once
    - hundreds of tanks roared and flooded, and only a hundred meters from the border they stop, and so on periodically, while the Russian SUSHKI - MIGs, Mi and Ka gently fly along the border. And the SAM that would irradiate constantly, in pin.ovskom (in this in the case of the junta helicopter, there are practically no workers' planes there) the pilot can immediately see that you are a potential corpse.
    Damn, fate brought to Ukraine ...
  38. raf
    raf 4 May 2014 17: 35
    +1
    This was to be expected. OSCE is just a cover, a smoke screen for collecting information and reconnaissance of the forces of self-defense, classification and then for use in the destruction of the people's militias of the southeast.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 4 May 2014 17: 47
      +6
      Nobody argues with this, have survived.
      I remember the knee-elbow posture of the Kuchma government regarding the Kolchuga, although it was not the latest development.
      The United States searched all the warehouses (what a humiliation for an officer when a swaggering Anglo-Saxon builds you up) - they didn't find a pancake, But Turboatom was forbidden to supply turbines to Iran.
      Do not care for Russia, they took and delivered ...
      And Ukraine, as it bends all its history, is bent ...
  39. pvv113
    pvv113 4 May 2014 17: 36
    +6
    The Bundeswehr is much more active in Ukraine than is publicly recognized in this.
    Forgot, you bastards, May 1945. Will have to remind am
  40. Makarych
    Makarych 4 May 2014 17: 46
    +3
    Quote: surovts.valery
    What the hell are scouts with diabetes?

    Already during the time they were held captive, cirrhosis of the liver has come, and so they looked so painful during transmission.

    And for all dishonest people, as soon as they catch their tail, a lot of diseases appear immediately. Urgently go to hospitals and treated. The only question is, how did they all live before that? A good example is pale with a scythe. So suffered, so tormented, sick. The sufferer is her mother .... wassat
  41. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 4 May 2014 17: 57
    +2
    The Donetsk Republic officially became the Donetsk People’s Republic after a statement on the transfer under the jurisdiction of the DPR of all power structures, border guards, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other structures located in the territory of the Donetsk Republic. The border is under control, aid should flow.
  42. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 4 May 2014 18: 15
    +2
    The West is completely rotten. And when in general in history he was our friend and partner, there’s even nothing to remember ... how much can one be surprised then?
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  45. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 4 May 2014 20: 10
    +6
    Officers! Explain to me the stupid chief officer, how can people with diabetes serve in the army? Is this what the hunchback press was blinded for? I can't believe otherwise.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 4 May 2014 20: 54
      +2
      So their gays and others serve ... over in Mademoiselle alone, Israel was denied service because of her body and weight proportions ... so through a court she was forced to take her into the armed forces.
    2. hrapon
      hrapon 4 May 2014 23: 25
      +1
      Do not believe it, their Minister of Defense is pregnant.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 4 May 2014 23: 30
        +1
        Quote: hrapon
        Do not believe it, their Minister of Defense is pregnant.

        In the current state of affairs in Germany, I would not be surprised if he were pregnant ...
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 4 May 2014 23: 33
          0
          senior citizen (5) SU  Today, 23: 30 Given the current state of affairs in Germany, I would not be surprised if he was pregnant


          ,,, bogaga ,,, laughing well said good
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  46. Krsk
    Krsk 4 May 2014 20: 31
    +1
    What is the German army doing in Slavyansk? so what? Lyuley is waiting. grandfathers on snot got right now grandchildren pinned ... masochists or something ...
  47. Strashila
    Strashila 4 May 2014 20: 51
    +2
    This is their historical ... come not invited guests ... to be captured and that they were sent from there ... so sent ... also historically.
    Let them rejoice that spring and they did not have a Slavic cauldron.
  48. pensioner
    pensioner 4 May 2014 20: 59
    +2
    I hope that before letting go of this "mission" with God, they were spoken to under the camera. With details ...
    1. razved
      razved 4 May 2014 21: 15
      +3
      I think that they sang nightingales all these days, which they spent visiting brothers from Slavyansk.
  49. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 4 May 2014 21: 42
    0
    You want to live, as you chant Chaliapin. Nobody wants a rope around his neck.
  50. Captain45
    Captain45 4 May 2014 22: 42
    0
    Quote: shasherin_pavel
    three companies of three hundred people each, one light machine gun per squad 60 people. To the "machine" company. Rotary RPG. It's minimum...

    Sorry, I served a long time ago in the 80's and may have done a lot since then, including the number of staff of the motorized rifle company has changed, but as far as I remember, there were 9 people in the rifle division, 3 platoon in the division — 29 people: 27 + castle and commander , company of 3 platoon - 91 people, with motorized riflemen + mechanized water drivers and operator-gunners BMP or BTR. In general, you would go, shasherin_pavel, to serve in the army, you would look and you would not have units for 60 people.