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Who should stop fascism in Ukraine?

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Who should stop fascism in Ukraine?The question is posed that way. It should, and not stop. It is already clear that this is not about the UN Security Council, because it is a gathering of impotent people dancing to the tune of the US State Department. And not about the European Community. With them, too, today everything is clear. It is about those forces who can and who should do it.


First of all, of course, we will talk about Russia. May my real Ukrainian friends forgive me the following lines and may their enemies rejoice: I am categorically opposed to the Ukrainian Fascism being driven into the coffin by guys from the Russian Army.

Many are waiting for this. And those who advocate the federalization of Ukraine, and those who wish to attack Russia by all possible means.

In my opinion, the whole problem of the supporters of federalization in the southeast is not even a lack of coordination and weapons. And in the absence of that spirit of unity, which was inherent in residents of the Crimea. A very large number of the population of the southeast prefers what is called "sit out" without taking active part in promotions. Alas.

The second and equally important component is that the Ukrainians lost the war for their brains. Too well the Ukrainian media shoved into the heads of citizens the thought of bloody Putin, who dreams of seizing Ukraine.

The result was what we see: of the millions who inhabit the Donbass, God forbid that thousands really go to battle for their future. Who is with a weapon, who is a human shield. I deeply respect these people and adore their civil courage in defending my choice. But, to my great regret, their obvious minority. The rest prefer a policy of waiting, nothing more.

And, unfortunately, those who took to the streets in any incarnation hope and count on Russia's help. Our help is with you. And these people definitely deserve this help. In a word, deed, zinc of cartridges, a box of medicines. For they went to battle for a just cause. Their choice is worthy of respect and help.

Most of the population ... alas. My friends in Ukraine very often complained about the fact that the main part, to put it mildly, didn’t care what flag to live under. Just to live. And even better - to live well. It is a fact. Anyway, at what power. Anton and Lena from Kramatorsk, Sergey from Slavyansk, Alexey and Anton from Kharkov, right? These are your words I convey.

What is happening in Ukraine now has only one meaning - fascism. The one with whom my grandfather fought 70 years ago. And millions of other Russian grandfathers. But I do not want this fascism, carefully cultivated in the Ukrainian land, to be uprooted by the grandchildren of these grandfathers.

Many, many people today are fighting for the introduction of troops to Ukraine. It is necessary, it is necessary to protect our brothers from the black and red infection. Need to?

Answer me, why should a Russian guy from Belgorod or Pskov go to the territory of another country in order to fight fascism there again? In my opinion, this should be done by the same guy from Donetsk or Lugansk. Right? Yes, I think so.
Do not compare with the Crimea. This is our land, this is our people. Who demonstrated extraordinary unity and cohesion in achieving their goal - restoration historical justice. And justice has been restored.

In the southeast, everything is somewhat different. There are people who are willing to die to achieve their goals. I deeply respect Ponomarev, Strelkov, Romanov, Shishatsky and everyone who stands next to them. These are people with a capital letter. But their small number is absolutely surprising. Where are the others? It turns out that they are sitting at home and waiting for the Russian army to come to rescue them. It doesn't sound very beautiful, but it is.

I do not want a repeat of 1944. When during the day the entire population happily waved Soviet soldiers, and at night, grenades and bottles of kerosene flew through the windows of the huts where they stayed for a halt. I don’t want a Russian guy in 2014 to shoot a Ukrainian who speaks Russian (by the way, I noticed videos from the Odessa House of Trade Unions, where all pravoseki communicated only in Russian), and another guy with the same type beat him in the back. Or hid behind his back. I do not want.

This is not the absence of patriotism or love for one's neighbor. Everyone who calls for the immediate entry of troops into the territory of Ukraine to provide assistance (including Mr. Mironov from Just Russia) has one thing in common: they will not have to enter there. For many reasons. But alas, yelling at every corner is one thing, and to sit in an armored personnel carrier and go to fight is another. I doubt that Mr. Mironov is ready to do this. Like those who, on a multitude of resources, never stop yelling, “Putin, what are you waiting for? Enter the troops !!! " Of course, they are not in these troops. They are not leverage tank, and behind the keyboard. It is easier. And safer.

I am on 100% supporting Putin, who is not in a hurry to use his right to send troops into the territory of a neighboring state. Because those who gave him this right will not enter there either. And to answer for everyone killed to him. So that's right, he does. Until.

But it is also impossible to abandon everything, focusing only on diplomacy. The events in Odessa showed us the true face of Ukrainian fascism. Grin. I think that it would be possible to open the supply of the army of the southeast from the available reserves in the Crimea. I am sure that local experts are well aware of which of the mountain paths you can drag a convoy with useful things. And pass these things to those who really need them. After all, we do not need tanks, right? It could be done. And need to.

To help the brothers in the fight is a holy thing. But - just help. Automata, cartridges, bronchik, RPG shots, medicines. All that is needed. But not the lives of our sons. We have scattered them a lot. Afghanistan, Karabakh, Chechnya ... too much.

Ukrainian fascism must be destroyed by the Ukrainians.
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  1. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 4 May 2014 07: 38
    -55%
    Helping the brothers in the fight is a holy thing. But it is precisely to help. Automatons, cartridges, armor plates ... But not the lives of our sons.

    Who was brainwashed? Are we brothers or one Slavic people?

    This position is not much different from "My hut on the edge":
    Just to live. Better yet, live well

    There are professional soldiers. Trained, trained and armed. They do not die in batches. And there is no need to bring in regular troops. Enough special units or special operations. Chop off the head of the snake, and restore order in Ukraine. And then the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor's Office will deal with "fascism".
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 4 May 2014 07: 46
      +184
      The people must defeat fascism, the remaining 90% must raise the opa and hollow fascists and not wait until Russia comes and begins the third world.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 4 May 2014 07: 51
        -16%
        So, after all, we are not one people?
        laughing
        1. wot
          wot 4 May 2014 08: 35
          +85
          all the same, we are one people, but Ukraine is a different state and we have to wave our saber here, all the more so Ukrainians, by habit, try to get a hole in two stalks so that someone does not work for them again, but many sit and wait
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 4 May 2014 10: 58
            +26
            Inhumans in Odessa shot, burned, chopped off limbs:

            In the 9th minute, 20 seconds:







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            1. pvv113
              pvv113 4 May 2014 19: 02
              +17
              I checked selectively several pages - either deleted or not found. Banderlogs got around !!!
              1. cheega69
                cheega69 4 May 2014 22: 08
                +3
                first link works
              2. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 4 May 2014 22: 09
                +14
                hi
                If you are a fascist with a gun
                You do not want to give up forever
                The house where you lived, your wife and mother,
                All that we call home, -
                Know: no one will save her,
                If you do not save her;
                Know: no one will kill him,
                If you do not kill him.
                And while he did not kill him,
                You keep silent about your love,
                The land where you grew up, and the house where you lived,
                Do not call your homeland.
                Let your brother kill the fascist,
                Let the neighbor kill the fascist, -
                It's your brother and neighbor who take revenge,
                And you do not have excuses.
                Behind someone else's back they do not sit,
                They do not take revenge on someone else's rifle.
                Since your brother killed the fascist, -
                It's him, not you soldier.

                So kill the fascist, so that he,
                And you did not lie on the ground,
                Not in your house to moan,
                And he stood by him in the dead.
                So he wanted, his guilt, -
                Let his house burn, and not yours,
                And let not your wife,
                And let him be a widow.
                Let her cry out not yours,
                And his born mother,
                Not yours, but his family
                Ponaprasnu let him wait.
                So kill at least one!
                So kill him quickly!
                How many times will you see him,
                So many times and kill him!
                1. Chaika
                  Chaika 5 May 2014 12: 28
                  0
                  Thank!!! Class !!!
                2. BLACK-SHARK-64
                  BLACK-SHARK-64 6 May 2014 10: 38
                  0
                  I respect, well done ..
                3. Santehnik1997
                  Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 11: 55
                  0
                  Stop fascist psychosis, do something useful, find yourself a hobby, in the worst case, write poems about nature, human relationships and spiritual values.
                  Your hysteria will lead to dullness and win other readers
              3. Santehnik1997
                Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 11: 52
                0
                These pages are fake.
                Banderlogs do not exist, and the mass character of these pages from one commentator only indicates that he either has absolutely nothing to do but search through these pages for nothing, or he creates them himself to troll readers so gullible as you.
            2. Reks
              Reks 4 May 2014 23: 39
              0
              FSB declared a hunt for Ukrainian fascists (run, banderlogs) am The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation asks for assistance in collecting personal data of citizens of Ukraine convicted of acts violating the laws of the Ukrainian state. This measure is aimed at preventing Ukrainian citizens from committing or contributing to the commission of criminal acts on the territory of the Russian Federation. soldier Please use the email: [email protected]
              1. FAN
                FAN 5 May 2014 07: 23
                0
                . This measure is aimed at preventing Ukrainian citizens from committing or contributing to the commission of criminal acts on the territory of the Russian Federation.
                ________________________________________________

                This is just the official version. If you turn on the brain, you can guess the true reasons.
                1. Santehnik1997
                  Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 11: 57
                  0
                  Citizens of Ukraine are not interested in destabilizing the situation in any country in the world, we have enough of our problems.
                  I recommend that you focus on your affairs, and we will sort it out somehow without the participation of your military personnel and the FSB.
            3. Santehnik1997
              Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 11: 50
              0
              Every family has its black sheep! In any society there is 1% of criminals, maniacs and other scum. In addition, it is not a fact that these are real people and their thoughts, anyone can register in social networks by calling themselves Barack Obama or Vladimir Zhirinovsky and post all nonsense in order to dust your brains.
              You can not unconditionally believe everything that is shown on TV or written on the Internet, a lot of stories are just staging.
              I recommend attending alternative point of view rallies in Russia and seeing and hearing alive.
              I don’t recommend watching Russian TV and believing everything that is on VKontakte, because you risk being deceived and misinformed!
            4. lyrics
              lyrics 6 May 2014 13: 35
              0
              Thanks for the info. We respond quickly! am
            5. alex-defensor
              alex-defensor 7 May 2014 00: 55
              0
              It was necessary to take screenshots, otherwise some pages were already deleted ... I hope our special services recorded ...
            6. bigELDAK
              bigELDAK 7 May 2014 00: 56
              0
              looked 2-3 yes we have half the country of such, but that's how to explain
              https://vk.com/e.klichko
              and there’s just no words ... pawn hunting, there are 1/4 of such countries.
          2. Varangian22
            Varangian22 4 May 2014 12: 45
            +1
            So to say, "friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart!? About the cuttings, I would be silent, it is not your people who are burned alive and in fact, without weapons, people against tanks become a human shield. Oh, well, yes, they don't stand up much, they need more, otherwise they are boring reports are melting - there are not many dead! Have you yourself tried against tanks with your bare hands?
            1. Che burashka
              Che burashka 4 May 2014 12: 57
              +43
              Quote: Varangian22
              So to say, "friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart!? About the cuttings, I would be silent, it is not your people who are burned alive and in fact, without weapons, people against tanks become a human shield. Oh, well, yes, they don't stand up much, they need more, otherwise they are boring reports are melting - there are not many dead! Have you yourself tried against tanks with your bare hands?

              We also had Chechnya, if anyone has forgotten. And something I do not remember the "powerful and fraternal" support for SE. But I remember very well the Bandera men who tortured our boys. In fairness, it is worth saying that they burn just fine! And Bandera's ideas, along with shit, fall out at the sight of a distorted shutter wink An entertaining sight however!
              And why against tanks with bare hands? There are also RPGs and Flies. Burn them. Or do you all hope to disperse peacefully? Well, hope .... But the Natsiks do not hope, they just kill. When will it come to you that there is a category of people who understand only power? The question is simply posed - either you are them, or they are you. Choose.
              1. GRANATE-19
                GRANATE-19 4 May 2014 14: 36
                +13
                Quote: Che Burashka
                But Natsik did not hope, they just kill. When will it come to you that there is a category of people who understand only power? The question is simply posed - either you are them, or they are you. Choose.

                pravosekov - NEEDS TO CUT !!! (USING mpl) With respect, I express my humble opinion. PS And please do not swear, this is in the hands of our enemies. Armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and tanks can be irrevocably neutralized with fuel and lubricant bottles (you just need to prepare the mixture correctly), but you need to go out to fight the ATTACK WORLDWIDE.
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              3. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 4 May 2014 15: 40
                -5
                The army fought in Chechnya, do not confuse the concept.
                1. mark7
                  mark7 4 May 2014 17: 39
                  +11
                  Quote: zaboyschik
                  The army fought in Chechnya, do not confuse the concept.

                  And, is the right sector also an army? When the Nazis marched along the streets before the Maidan, but the orders were torn from the veterans, you were silent, thought it would resolve, and now only general mobilization
                  1. Santehnik1997
                    Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 12: 07
                    0
                    This is not true if they saw the plot on TV - a staged performance.
                    Look at the Hollywood action movies, there you’ll not see it
              4. Santehnik1997
                Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 12: 05
                0
                Fools, Bandera has not been around for 70 years, then the Chechen conflict did not smell.
                Calm down, otherwise you will poison yourself with your poison, do something useful, get a job, plant a tree, build a house, raise your son. Stop fighting the mythical "Bandera" people.
                In eastern Ukraine, sabotage groups operate under the leadership of the GRU of the Russian Federation and keep all local residents in suspense. The task is to destabilize, disrupt the presidential election, try to take control of the region with the establishment of a loyal leader. The reason is that the candidate for the presidency is not happy with the Kremlin.
            2. Sunflower
              Sunflower 4 May 2014 13: 55
              +14
              and what, someone canceled cocktails or partisan war? and we had people burned and killed ... there was Chechnya .. but you didn’t go to help us ... and many just like Sashko ... came to kill, and many were happy that everything is so bad with us. So we don’t have to sing about bare hands and tanks
            3. Nikaviz
              Nikaviz 4 May 2014 14: 25
              +21
              NO weapons .. !!!! ???? Break the world ... ??? No dear ... you need to learn to distinguish between the good and evil of these QMS .. !!!! And only with weapons, and you have warehouses full of them. Do not give out ... ???? Go in SCOPE and Arm ... they will not spare you .. am
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 4 May 2014 16: 04
                +20
                Quote: NIKAVIZ
                NO weapons .. !!!! ???? Break the world ..
                Repost from the polite ones (http://vk.com/vegchel). "They write to us: In the city ... (Russia), almost a battalion has gathered only former specialists. Everything on the lists was submitted to the military commissar. The first time the military commissar did not send us tries and showed a stack of about 100 sheets of such lists.

                The funny thing is that they don’t even ask for weapons. Everyone has their own. Ask permission to cross the border. Everyone is waiting for approval or Order, but patience is not unlimited ...

                And so throughout Russia ...

                From the Administration of the Group: Dozens of people write to us a day, with questions about how to get to Donetsk to help our guys from Self-Defense, people are ready to come in whole groups ... "

                http://vk.com/vegchel?w=wall-67359347_349256
                1. andj61
                  andj61 4 May 2014 19: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  The funny thing is that they don’t even ask for weapons. Everyone has their own. Ask permission to cross the border. Everyone is waiting for approval or Order, but patience is not unlimited ...


                  In my opinion, this happens everywhere.
                2. Santehnik1997
                  Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 12: 15
                  0
                  You have psychosis in Russia.
                  Wake up people, you have powdered brains.
                  There is no self-defense, these are militants from Chechnya and employees of the GRU + "berkutovtsy" who killed people on the Maidan.
                  Nobody here is going to bring anyone to their knees, we have overcome the bandit regime of Yanukovych and want to rebuild the economy after his "reign". The leadership of the Russian Federation simply brazenly interferes with our affairs, excites the minds of Donetsk and Luhansk people, inflamed from contact with the Russian propaganda machine. Who really infringed on the rights and from whom the whole Ukraine needed to defend itself was the representatives of the previous government.
                  Your media simply brazenly lie and twist everything, understand that the whole civilized world cannot be wrong, but Dima Kiselev and the Russian leadership are monopolists on the truth. Understand the same at last !!!
              2. andj61
                andj61 4 May 2014 19: 32
                +5
                Quote: NIKAVIZ
                Go in SCOPE and Arm ... they will not spare you.


                Definitely not regret it. In Odessa, they did not spare the elderly and women!
              3. coserg 2012
                coserg 2012 6 May 2014 19: 11
                0
                Well, it’s necessary to go, they would sit around the streets under a boobs. And if you play on the dark at least five km behind the roadblocks, it’s not mine. You’re beaten and you’re just closing. Morally and financially, Russia is already getting for you, and still let him come and still pile on. Yeah now!
                1. zaboyschik
                  zaboyschik 8 May 2014 01: 20
                  0
                  Well, that's it, Russia is absolutely nothing to do with it now, and it's all the same to blame. So what's the difference? All my life I deliberately did what I was unfairly accused of, so the human psychology is so arranged if he is sure that you did it then it is useless to prove anything.
            4. sovety
              sovety 4 May 2014 14: 41
              +8
              Quote: Varangian22
              So to say, "friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart!? About the cuttings, I would be silent, it is not your people who are burned alive and in fact, without weapons, people against tanks become a human shield. Oh, well, yes, they don't stand up much, they need more, otherwise they are boring reports are melting - there are not many dead! Have you yourself tried against tanks with your bare hands?

              Quote: Varangian22
              So to say, "friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart!? About the cuttings, I would be silent, it is not your people who are burned alive and in fact, without weapons, people against tanks become a human shield. Oh, well, yes, they don't stand up much, they need more, otherwise they are boring reports are melting - there are not many dead! Have you yourself tried against tanks with your bare hands?


              You don’t need so much about us ...
              We are not from the moon.
              In our country, under those tanks that lay down, the Supreme Soviet was shot. This is not a Molotov cocktail.
              You then already "derbanit" your country, it was not up to us, and the memory is short.
              And the trunks are not enough. If only not enough.
              Article +
            5. nstarinsky
              nstarinsky 4 May 2014 19: 15
              +4
              In order not to go against tanks with bare hands, it was necessary to think and act during the orange "revolutions".
              1. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 8 May 2014 01: 16
                0
                And again, erroneous conclusions, during the orange, we acted just like that. But then Yanukovych was not the president, but now he was. Believe me, the whole Donbass sat on the suitcases and waited for the team, but did not wait. Maydaunov, I'm sorry, they drove to Kiev, fed the necessary supplies, paid at last. Seeing the betrayal of the Yanyk people simply wanted to shut themselves off from this mess, and the fact is that Ukraine does not need the Donbass. Do you understand me? Donbass tolerated itself as a part of non-fallow only because the government had its own people who did not bother about nationality. They were thrown off illegally and away we go.
          3. delfinN
            delfinN 4 May 2014 13: 36
            +23
            It does not come through the ears. It comes only through the "horn compartment" and the right hook.
            1. UREC
              UREC 4 May 2014 19: 25
              +5
              You can not believe these entities in captivity they say anything!
            2. Penzyac
              Penzyac 4 May 2014 19: 53
              +2
              Quote: delfinN
              It does not come through the ears. It comes only through the "horn compartment" and the right hook.

              For some reason I don’t believe the words of this captive Yakubovich. Look at his eyes, it seems to me that they are kind of evil, not sincere. For some reason, I saw hatred interspersed with fear and contempt. In my opinion, he is ready to say anything and in pure Russian, if only to return to his own, and then take revenge. Although, maybe I'm wrong, someone else's soul is dark.
              1. BLACK-SHARK-64
                BLACK-SHARK-64 6 May 2014 10: 45
                +1
                to the wall ... the whole answer ...
            3. ioann1
              ioann1 6 May 2014 14: 36
              0
              This monster of faith is NOT!
          4. zaboyschik
            zaboyschik 4 May 2014 15: 35
            -2
            In general, everything is as always, as it was in the Balkans, as was the case in Bulgaria, people generally started the struggle hoping for the support of Russia and got zilch. It doesn’t reach you that as early as two centuries, no revolution has done without support from outside. And now Syria confirms this, Libya, etc. the militants are fully supplied with the whole radical Islamic world, but what about us? Nearby, Russians are already being killed and only words from Moscow. Support, in fact, is not at all. Here it is. Such a policy, or rather its absence, at one time led to an unnatural and long-term union of Bulgaria and Germany. You can minus, I’m telling the truth, we will win anyway, and someone else’s language is turning to cite Crimea as an example. There were Russian troops, it is a fact. All that we have got ourselves. History has not known such examples for hundreds of years, and yet Russia is at hand.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 4 May 2014 17: 56
              +5
              Bravo, the provocateur. You earned your $ 30 sitting on the couch. bully
              1. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 8 May 2014 00: 50
                0
                And where to get sorry? And the fact that I all work for free.
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            3. nstarinsky
              nstarinsky 4 May 2014 19: 25
              +2
              And which of the revolutions ended in the happiness of the people? Not a single one! It is precisely because the revolution is not a method of forcibly establishing happiness. It is pre-revolutionary events that lead to such consequences. Having said that, I must agree with you that the presence of the Russian army in the Crimea had a decisive effect. But notice - presence, not input.
              1. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 8 May 2014 00: 47
                0
                It’s completely not clear, I understand the difference, but Crimea is given as an example. I strongly doubt that the intervention of the Russian military in the Crimea was at least legitimate from any side, and therefore I do not understand the difference between entry and presence. Presence didn’t necessarily mean securing referenda, didn’t it? It is unlikely that something like this was spelled out in the contract.
              2. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 8 May 2014 00: 53
                +1
                And yes, we do not have a revolution, but the struggle for independence already, from the very beginning it was clear that with federalization it would not burn out. Therefore, I cite the example of the United States, Canada and other miles.
            4. Nicanor
              Nicanor 4 May 2014 22: 28
              0
              "As it was in the Balkans, as it was in Bulgaria, people generally started the struggle hoping for the support of Russia and received zilch" - there would be no zilch, they would go under the Turks, those who were not massacred.
              "We got everything we have ourselves" - who are we, and what do you have ?!
              And even under Catherine, Crimea was mined by ourselves!
              1. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 8 May 2014 00: 49
                0
                We are NCD, I am the commander of the first platoon squad, I won’t tell which company NOD and I’m talking about weapons. I think it was clear in context.
            5. Nicanor
              Nicanor 4 May 2014 22: 29
              0
              "As it was in the Balkans, as it was in Bulgaria, people generally started the struggle hoping for the support of Russia and received zilch" - there would be no zilch, they would go under the Turks, those who were not massacred.
              "We got everything we have ourselves" - who are we, and what do you have ?!
              And even under Catherine, Crimea was mined by ourselves!
          5. zaboyschik
            zaboyschik 4 May 2014 15: 38
            0
            And yes, there are Russians, Ukrainians, maybe twenty percent, and even then theoretically, for example, I don’t know such people. You are afraid to lose the opportunity to buy iPhones and credit scoops. Contempt for you.
            1. Nicanor
              Nicanor 4 May 2014 23: 00
              +1
              What does iPhone have to do with other credit washes? Are you very interested in Russianness or Ukrainism of those who communicate with you? Are you Natsik ?!
              1. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 8 May 2014 01: 00
                0
                In no case, you misunderstood me. I talked about what is correct to call a citizen of Ukraine (for now). This means that they write here that "the Ukrainians must figure it out themselves" but here Ukrainians are not at war with each other. Ukrainians deal with Russians.
          6. Stalker
            Stalker 6 May 2014 19: 51
            +1
            Moreover, Ukrainians, by habit, try to get a hole in two cuttings so that someone does the work for them, again, not all but many sit and wait

            Totally agree with you !!! How many in History they threw themselves into the arms of different countries trying to solve their problems with someone else's hands. UKRAINIANS !!! IT'S TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU DON'T ADOPT THE PROVERSE "MY HOUSE WITH THE BORDER" RISE IN SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS TO THE LEVEL OF DONBASS GUYS WHO SPILL YOUR BLOOD NOT ONLY FOR YOUR HEARTS, AND FOR YOUR HEARTH !! Russia will help you with weapons, advice, volunteers. But deal with your nationalities yourself ... Our boys are also dear to us. Russia lost so many of them after the collapse of the USSR. And you sat on the sidelines without helping us with absolutely nothing ..
            .. TIME TO RETURN DEBT !!! (this does not apply to DONETSK HEROES) ....
        2. domokl
          domokl 4 May 2014 08: 36
          +42
          Quote: MainBeam
          So, after all, we are not one people?

          Can you name the signs of Russian or Ukrainian? Purely external, without stories about the soul and so on? Once, when there were Slavs, it was possible to talk about one people, and even then conditionally. And now, when for more than a thousand-year history we were so mixed up with all our neighbors, it’s a stretch to talk about the Slavic past.
          And then the state comes to the first Alan. We have different states. And there is different upbringing. How can I consider Sashko Bilogo’s brother? Or law-abiding? And, quite honestly, most Ukrainians? Brothers who shoot at my son ? Brothers who have been fighting a war with my country for the third month that we haven’t come to? Brothers who call me a descendant of the victors of fascism a fascist?
          No, now we need to talk about a different mentality, about a different people. And the fathers and children of one great-grandfather’s grandfather are killing each other. They are killing simply because the children are no longer children. They became enemies of their fathers and mothers.
          In Russia, too, in the 90 it was. Remember the fascists and Russian nationalists.
          1. Andrey_Irkutsk
            Andrey_Irkutsk 4 May 2014 09: 19
            +8
            I didn’t remember trying to remember Russian nationalists in the 90s ..
            1. Canep
              Canep 4 May 2014 09: 57
              +37
              Quote: Andrey_Irkutsk
              I didn’t remember trying to remember Russian nationalists in the 90s ..

              Barkashov, Limonov, this is vain.
              Ukrainian fascism must be destroyed by the Ukrainians.

              How not to wait for the fact that ALL of Ukraine will start shouting "Hai Yarosh" or "Heroic sala". Then they will look at the Belgorod, Kursk, and Rostov regions, and the Krasnodar Territory. Something similar happened in the 90s in Chechnya. They let them quietly boil in their own juice, and received an invasion of Dagestan. This Caudle cannot be left unattended. The East needs to be helped by the supply of Chinese-made weapons, and better European or American. By sending specialists and instructors in limited numbers, they can seize the armor themselves, there are precedents.
              1. elmi
                elmi 4 May 2014 10: 25
                +23
                Do not compare with the Crimea. This is our land, this is our people.

                Is the southeast not our land? So Vladimir Putin, in his appeal following the results of the referendum in Crimea, noted that after the revolution, the lands of the south-east of our country were included by the Bolsheviks in Ukraine without taking into account the national composition of the region.
                1. Blondy
                  Blondy 4 May 2014 11: 25
                  +13
                  I quote: Ukrainian fascism should be destroyed by Ukrainians. Very cute. Let's remember the Soros students, how old who and where
                  cooked prepared these banderlogs, how much money swelled into them. So, that the fact that fascism is Ukrainian can be affirmed, to put it mildly, by the very most naive people. Our fathers and grandfathers fought together with him, and we hid too quickly in national apartments.
                  Even before the appearance of this material, I made an attempt to publish an alternative point of view on this problem, but did not miss it - I will try to do it now

                  On the issue of referenda in the South-East of Ukraine.
                  The situation has changed. In the south-east of Ukraine, junta punishers attack and kill civilians, there is a civil war. The West has limited the circulation of democratic rights and freedoms and international law only to domestic use. Russia is still trying to act on the remnants of the field of international law.

                  Therefore, in connection with the changed situation, which has already become extraordinary and threatening the lives of local residents, it seems necessary and possible to include the following question in the referenda held in South-East of Ukraine:

                  "Do you express your will - to call on the Russian armed forces to protect your life, rights and dignity of a citizen?"

                  Answers: yes, no
                  1. Blondy
                    Blondy 4 May 2014 11: 53
                    +7
                    Maybe the answer to this question of the referendum will be a reason not to obey the wiggle of the western finger "you cannot send troops into foreign territory - this is aggression" while promoting their interests, indirectly or directly, they do it all over the world, using their own satellites.

                    It’s good to give advice, like, hold on, you must do it yourself. It didn’t occur to you that the outcome of the struggle here may depend not so much on the courage of the defenders, but on the degree of frostbite of the punishers who possess all kinds of heavy equipment.
                    1. Victor Demchenko
                      Victor Demchenko 4 May 2014 12: 31
                      0
                      until a single armored personnel carrier or tank was burned. that there is no means of destruction of armored vehicles? there, then why not burn? You know, but the proverb in war as in war has not yet been canceled ...
                      1. Blondy
                        Blondy 4 May 2014 12: 43
                        +11
                        How many meters can you throw a bottle of cocktail? And how many meters can you flash through a barricade from a Btrov machine gun (KPVT in my opinion)?
                      2. andj61
                        andj61 4 May 2014 13: 16
                        +8
                        Quote: Blondy
                        How many meters can you throw a bottle of cocktail? And how many meters can you flash through a barricade from a Btrov machine gun (KPVT in my opinion)?


                        The KPVT and a half-meter brick mill can pierce (if you shoot in one place), after all, 14,5 mm - this is counted, like the PTRD of the war.
                        But it was possible to mine roadside HEs, and a bottle of cocktail can also be tied on a tree branch and thrown on a signal from a mobile phone. There are many options.
                      3. sinandju
                        sinandju 4 May 2014 13: 46
                        +6
                        But it was possible to mine roadside HEs, and a bottle of cocktail can also be tied on a tree branch and thrown on a signal from a mobile phone. There are many options.

                        So simple. Where to get all this? Self-defense is not a professional army and not rich to buy a bunch of weapons and where else to buy them? Can't you see chtoli on the box that most of them are still with batons against armored personnel carriers?
                      4. typhoon7
                        typhoon7 4 May 2014 19: 12
                        +2
                        I agree with you, instead of helping the brothers, we judge them here.
                      5. andj61
                        andj61 4 May 2014 19: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: sinandju
                        Where to get all this? Self-defense is not a professional army and not rich to buy a bunch of weapons and where else to buy them? Can't you see chtoli on the box that most of them are still with batons against armored personnel carriers?

                        Landmines is extremely simple. Nitrate is in stores for the garden. Chemistry teachers or just a competent comrade in a hundred thousandth city can not be found? This is ridiculous. They do not fight, but simply protest. And in this case, they do not need machine guns with hunting rifles.
                        But they more often act with batons against armored personnel carriers.
                        What is terrible is that they are being killed.
                    2. woron333444
                      woron333444 4 May 2014 14: 32
                      +5
                      in order to make landmines, you need to have something. And the militias, in addition to machine guns and grenade launchers, have nothing, and also berdanks.
                  2. Penzyac
                    Penzyac 4 May 2014 20: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Blondy
                    How many meters can you throw a bottle of cocktail? And how many meters can you flash through a barricade from a Btrov machine gun (KPVT in my opinion)?

                    In the open, yes. But, entering a city or a village, any armored personnel carrier among multi-story buildings loses its advantage. And then, it is unlikely that the heroes are capable of conducting targeted fire from a burning armored personnel carrier, at the risk of being burned alive in it.
                2. andj61
                  andj61 4 May 2014 13: 10
                  +6
                  Quote: Victor Demchenko
                  until a single armored personnel carrier or tank was burned. that there is no means of destruction of armored vehicles? there, then why not burn? You know, but the proverb in war as in war has not yet been canceled ...

                  Yes, not burned out. But the turntables were already falling.
                  It is psychologically difficult to shoot at your children who serve in the army. And it’s difficult to distinguish soldiers from pravoseks and the national guard.
                  Have not used land mines. But saltpeter is also full in stores.
                  Making a landmine is not a problem. Even Molotov cocktails were not used against technology, although it could be done at night.
                  It turns out that the people are not fighting yet, but are peacefully protesting.
                3. UREC
                  UREC 4 May 2014 19: 35
                  0
                  Kolomoisky pays (promises) huge money to helicopter pilots and to those scumbags who shoot at civilians. So it’s unlikely that the children go against the people there!
                4. Penzyac
                  Penzyac 4 May 2014 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: andj61
                  Quote: Victor Demchenko
                  until a single armored personnel carrier or tank was burned. that there is no means of destruction of armored vehicles? there, then why not burn? You know, but the proverb in war as in war has not yet been canceled ...

                  Yes, it didn’t burn out ... Even Molotov cocktails were not used against technology, although it could be done at night.
                  It turns out that the people are not fighting yet, but are peacefully protesting.

                  By the way, for some reason, everyone has forgotten such a "passive" means of defense as properly made (not large, but slightly more than the maximum clearance of the armored personnel carrier) and installed anti-tank hedgehogs (not like on the Odessa beach).
              2. UREC
                UREC 4 May 2014 19: 31
                +1
                THREE PENDERS in the sky and one on the earth of our sinful burned however!
              3. Moldovan
                Moldovan 4 May 2014 21: 00
                +5
                Summary for the morning of May 4 from the "Gubarevites".

                We survived! We have kept all our positions! We inflicted crushing losses on the junta troops! They retreated in all directions!
                THE WORLD HAS NOT SEEN ANOTHER HEROISM: PEACEFUL PEOPLE AND DONBASS MILITARIANS RESPONSE TO THE ARMED ATTACKS OF THE REGULAR FORCES AND FORCES OF THE CRIMINAL KIEV JUNE.
                Now the enemy knows: WHO WITH THE SWORD WILL COME TO US, FROM THE SWORD AND KILL. THERE STANDED AND THE RUSSIAN EARTH WILL STAND!
                SLAVYANSK - fierce fighting on the outskirts of the city, the junta troops suffered losses and retreated, withdrawing equipment from the city
                ANDREYEVKA - freed, the troops fled so that one APC turned upside down
                KRAMATORSK - heavy fighting, the city defended, there are losses, Kiev troops retreated
                KONSTANTINOVKA - heavy fighting, the enemy suffered significant losses and retreated, the city under the control of the militia
                GOROVLKA - heavy fighting on the outskirts of the city at checkpoints, the junta attack is stopped, troops are thrown back with significant losses
                ARTEMOVSK - battles at checkpoints, positions maintained, the enemy suffered losses
                MARIUPOL - an attempt to clean up the city executive committee, the whole city came out, unarmed Mariupol residents stopped the assault, threw the enemy back, the private bank branch of the fascist Kolomoisky was destroyed, the office of the Batkivshchyna party was defeated
                DONETSK - the SBU, the investigative department of the SBU, the regional military registration and enlistment office, a number of checkpoints were taken under control, the office of the ISD was destroyed - "Taruta - get out of Donbass!"
                LUGANSK - the military commissariat was taken under control, the attacks of the junta troops were repulsed, the enemy suffered significant losses
                WE COULD RESIST! WE SUPPORT MATUS-RUSSIA, THE WHOLE PROGRESSIVE WORLD!
                THE EXPERIENCES OF DONBASS RESIDENTS WILL GO INTO HISTORY AS A SAMPLE OF COURAGE, FORCE OF SPIRIT, BROTHERHOOD!
                DO NOT WAIT AND DO NOT ASK HELP! DO IT YOURSELF! LIBERATE THE WHOLE DONBASS, THE WHOLE SOUTH-EAST FROM Fascism!
                ODESSA - WE WILL NOT FORGET! WE WILL REVEAL!
                In Slavyansk, new recruits are waiting for the people's militia.
                Come with documents, find the local department of the former SBU - and you're in the ranks!
              4. strannik1108
                strannik1108 4 May 2014 23: 12
                0
                It is very timely and competent to destroy the property (movable, immovable) of oligators who pay for this lawlessness. This is a hit on a pain point
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        3. SBC
          SBC 4 May 2014 12: 15
          0
          Again you want to provoke the Donbass?
          1. woron333444
            woron333444 4 May 2014 14: 34
            +3
            And what to provoke him? Wait for the right-wingers to come and drive everyone into the mines forever
          2. andj61
            andj61 4 May 2014 19: 30
            +1
            It’s too late to provoke. The question is how do IM protect themselves, and US help them do this.
        4. green
          green 4 May 2014 12: 50
          +1
          Yes, such a question should be raised in a referendum!
        5. Chaika
          Chaika 5 May 2014 14: 44
          0
          Petition To the UN Security Council in support of the Ukrainian people. Here is its content:
          This is important because otherwise there will be a massacre! It is necessary to give the people the right to self-determination! Naturally, the introduction of RF peacekeepers is possible only by order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces. The contingent from any other country the people of the Southeast will not accept! Trust is only in the Russian army! Perhaps we will not achieve anything, even most likely, but let everyone know that such an opinion exists and it enjoys the support of the people! Children of residents of the Southeast have the right to smile and enjoy life !!!
          At the moment, more than 108 thousand signatures. Would it be good? I do not know. Signed, I can not be silent
      2. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 4 May 2014 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: elmi
        Do not compare with the Crimea. This is our land, this is our people.

        Is the southeast not our land? So Vladimir Putin, in his appeal following the results of the referendum in Crimea, noted that after the revolution, the lands of the south-east of our country were included by the Bolsheviks in Ukraine without taking into account the national composition of the region.

        And our land, and we have an incomparably greater right to take part in the fate of the lands called Ukraine, rather than the entire "world community"! But ... To be honest ... This article is the fruit of the "brainstorming" of John Brennan and A. Chubais - the troll number 1 of all times and peoples. And how much approval! How many "pluses" to those who approve! And after that we accuse the Ukrainians (the accusers call out to everyone, personally!) That they did not neutralize the CIA, did not suppress the American propaganda machine?
      3. andj61
        andj61 4 May 2014 19: 45
        0
        Quote: elmi
        Is the southeast not our land?


        I think we do not need land, let those who live on them decide their fate. But to protect our people living there is our responsibility.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 4 May 2014 11: 20
      +12
      Quote: Canep
      How not to wait for the fact that ALL of Ukraine will start shouting "Hai Yarosh" or "Heroic sala".

      it happened once ... remember Germany. All who were against-escaped (or taken to concentration camps).
      And remember what happened afterwards - enslaved geyropa, the war is with us ...
      Therefore, the reptile needs to be crushed in the cradle ... or in its own house, until it crawled out.
      Anything and anything! All means are good ...
      Only their souls do not get dirty, would.
      And so - you need to use EVERYTHING that is suitable in the general war in Ukraine: volunteers, special forces, MTO ... information and ideological support, humanitarian and unmanned zones ... and troops formed from Ukrainians in our territory, and as the final stage - their!
      First of all, bring down the country of sponsors and advisers. Also by any means, including arson of their home ... their world, which already goes to the bottom ...
      1. alexander20
        alexander20 4 May 2014 13: 07
        +5
        they will sit out in their apartments until soon they will not only start burning them with Molotov cocktails, but will drive them behind barbed wire and poison them with our own gas, which we lend to them. it's just a matter of time. if these so-called Ukrainians don’t care that their compatriots are being burned, then I don’t know - this is really a herd of "rams" who will soon be led to slaughter, and the events in Odessa were just a test whether someone would resist or not. as we can see that no .....
      2. alexander20
        alexander20 4 May 2014 13: 07
        0
        they will sit out in their apartments until soon they will not only start burning them with Molotov cocktails, but will drive them behind barbed wire and poison them with our own gas, which we lend to them. it's just a matter of time. if these so-called Ukrainians don’t care that their compatriots are being burned, then I don’t know - this is really a herd of "rams" who will soon be led to slaughter, and the events in Odessa were just a test whether someone would resist or not. as we can see that no .....
      3. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 4 May 2014 15: 50
        +4
        Quote: Rus2012
        First of all, bring down the country of sponsors and advisers. Also by any means, including arson of their home ... their world, which already goes to the bottom ...

        Quite right and obvious! Beat the enemy with his own weapon! Use all THEIR means! - For they raised this "sword", and they will die from it. "And their information weapons must be used, and not demoralize resistance to fascism with helpless, pitiful official statements. - To express condolences to the relatives of the dead crew of an American aircraft carrier destroyed by lightning and reward the crew." lightning "stars of Heroes of Russia with the assignment of extraordinary military ranks!" For example. Is it possible that only "special forces" Yellowstone can save the Slavic civilization ?!
    3. mark2
      mark2 4 May 2014 11: 27
      +1
      Well, go and look! Now there’s just an advertisement about an invitation to serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on a contract basis
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 4 May 2014 12: 32
        +2
        became old, soon 63 ... and so would go.
    4. Yew
      Yew 4 May 2014 11: 41
      +3
      Quote: Canep
      Barkashov, Limonov, this is vain.

      What are you! Many were killed by "barkashevtsy" and "limonovtsy" ??? NOT ONE !!! They were killed, it's true.
      For the rest, I agree, you can’t leave everything like that. Obviously, they are preparing the next Reich. The scheme is one to one. Even with Poland on the same rails -)) As for the army, it’s no prabl to pump it up with technology. And it doesn’t matter who defeats anyone. Most importantly, the Slavs are mutually annihilating, and you can warm your hands well over a good bonfire! Yes, Romanians and Hungarians, for starters, can be pulled into the process. There are a lot of firewood in Europe ...
    5. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 4 May 2014 12: 27
      0
      I agree! salvation of drowning ... and further on.
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    7. staryivoin
      staryivoin 4 May 2014 14: 06
      +1
      And who argues that. It is important that the Russian-Ukrainian Mykola and Petro do not sit on the mound, but show themselves as citizens of the Slavic-Orthodox state of Ukraine. But they did not sit and did not look at how they imbued the values ​​of Western democracy. It is necessary to tear ... opu and forward.
      Most of the pravoseki in Odessa were not local, they looked through and achieved a "high result" !!! Then we have to wait further when Khuseinovich comes and attaches a yoke around the neck to each Ukrainian.
    8. Chaika
      Chaika 5 May 2014 14: 34
      0
      Right! Of course, this will not resolve !!!
  2. DimychDV
    DimychDV 4 May 2014 11: 03
    +18
    And I rode in 2003, in May, in an excursion bus from three stations to the River Station. Five Ilyev Muromtsev years up to 23 -25 - more wide than tall, blond, in scarves of football fans, Samara guys. And with them a bald, quick-eyed forty-man in a leather jacket. They are prominent guys, but the beauty from the faces is scooped out by nationalism. Laughing loudly at any non-Russian name in the guide's story. The whole bus is Volga Bashkirs and Tatars. Yes, I'm a Ukrainian with the letter ho from the Far East. I was fucking crazy, I wanted to get into a fight - but there was not a single chance, and then I would have flown away from the seminar, would not have paid for the flight on a "hooligan".
    That - what was it? Who needs and is profitable? Has it stopped now or not yet? After all, our ideology was also canceled. And here, too, parents tell teachers: yes you do not educate them, you teach. And someone in fact somewhere in our place brings up our children instead of us, the Komsomol and our parents. Someone in a rocking chair, someone in a fan club, someone in the church of the Descent of Armageddon warriors, someone in an English club, someone in a pioneer camp named after V. Tereshkova, where the guys wear not stars and eagles on a spotted uniform, but something similar on a swastika of Russian swords ...
    Are you sure that we also did not lose our children?
    Yes, the ideology was canceled, but why should children's official organizations be abolished? They became NOT official. This is good, we are against the NGOs. But it’s also bad that everyone who is against any problems is also striving to write down in the fifth column. Here is the ecology. I have already said that many projects in our city are of concern to many. But persistent rumors are circulating that all this is only a hand on foreign enemies, that all these protests are the fifth column. Yes, there are authorities among the real violent who have an idea who want to steer too, but there is not enough room for everyone who wants it. But for their children, who can be poisoned by petrochemicals, people REALLY worry about it! And they strive to write them into enemies. It is as if their children are superfluous to their native country.
    1. SBC
      SBC 4 May 2014 12: 30
      0
      I would advise a friend to ask for an explanation to the deputy Fedorov EA
    2. internatio
      internatio 4 May 2014 13: 18
      +3
      DimychDV, I support you 100%! We in Crimea have environmental problems immeasurably. And, with the advent of Russian business, there will probably be even more. After all, the zemlyatsev did not remain free, which means that it is necessary to destroy reserves and reserves. But such is the share of Environmentalists (not environmentalists!) - to be at the forefront of life. Both in the fight against poaching, and in the fight for a healthy environment. Including social. Surprisingly, it’s traditionally, again, not to support the environmentalists-patriots of the Earth and the Russian people, but all kinds of environmentalists there - they know and reward them. Dimych, join the RSoES - Russian Socio-Ecological Union, we will defend our homeland together.
    3. circumcircle
      circumcircle 4 May 2014 14: 34
      +3
      From dumb ignorance from ignorance of history from the fact that parents in Ukraine didn’t give a damn what they poured into the heads of their children and the miracle of the Hitler Youth grew. From the same thing in Perestroika Russia
      laughed at the peculiarities of the mentality of the inhabitants of Ukraine. Where did Gogol, Shevchenko come from? But what if everyone in Russia sees his own tree? And it turns out that 70%
      Russian-descendants of immigrants from Ukraine at different times. This is where they decided to hit the Americans crazy West. Hit in Ukraine, and so that the trouble began then in Russia.
  3. Sour
    Sour 4 May 2014 12: 40
    +1
    Quote: Andrey_Irkutsk
    I didn’t remember trying to remember Russian nationalists in the 90s ..

    Vasiliev, Barkashov, Ivanov-Sukharevsky ...
    You, the campaign, the 90s do not remember.
  4. green
    green 4 May 2014 12: 47
    0
    I, too!
    The Russians were never nationalists, they always hunched over other nations and foreigners!
  5. Penzyac
    Penzyac 4 May 2014 20: 13
    0
    Quote: Andrey_Irkutsk
    I didn’t remember trying to remember Russian nationalists in the 90s ..

    Well, for example, from such positions at that time Barkashovites, Makashovtsy, Smirnovtsy spoke
    PS Given how many Russians, calling themselves Russian nationalists, are now in the ranks of the PS and other Bandera in Ukraine (traitors), I sincerely did not expect to see the Barkashovites address at this forum, and that I will be glad about this.
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 4 May 2014 10: 37
    +5
    Quote: domokl
    Can you name the signs of Russian or Ukrainian? Purely external

    Quote: domokl
    No, now we need to talk about a different mentality, about a different people.

    And I also can’t tell the North Korean from the South Korean. I also have a friend - a Tatar. And what, we are not one people? This is a question of formulations, a question of worldview. I agree, and upbringing. In the 90s, the Russian Tatar was not a brother either.

    Divide and rule!
    1. domokl
      domokl 4 May 2014 11: 24
      0
      Quote: MainBeam
      I also have a friend - a Tatar. And what, we are not one people

      laughing That's just with the Tatar, then you are one people .. And with one and a half hundred nationalities (including Ukrainians, but living in the Russian Federation and even the Baltic states, Germans, and all sorts of other things) because you are Russian citizens and brought up by Russia.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 4 May 2014 12: 16
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        That's just with the Tatar you and there is one people.

        Yes Yes. Not "we" are one people, but "you" are one people.
        wink
      2. andj61
        andj61 4 May 2014 19: 58
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: MainBeam
        I also have a friend - a Tatar. And what, we are not one people

        laughing That's just with the Tatar, then you are one people .. And with one and a half hundred nationalities (including Ukrainians, but living in the Russian Federation and even the Baltic states, Germans, and all sorts of other things) because you are Russian citizens and brought up by Russia.


        We are one and the same people with many, including very many in Ukraine. We grew up and studied together in the USSR, and now some are there, in Ukraine, on opposite sides of the barricades. And from this we do not cease to be one people.
        And this whole riffraff in the power of Ukraine, which for 23 years has been powdering the brains of ordinary people, will still be swept away. This junta was hired by Washington and is working on his handouts.
        And Washington (as repeatedly repeated on the site - sorry, BlackJack) must be destroyed!
    2. SBC
      SBC 4 May 2014 12: 38
      +1
      From my own experience: 60-year-old men can be distinguished, but why?
  • matross
    matross 4 May 2014 12: 49
    +4
    Quote: domokl
    Can you name the signs of Russian or Ukrainian?

    Here I liked Z. Prilepin: the Russian is the one who does not put an empty bottle on the table and does not take the last piece from the plate.
    That is, in my understanding, he honors traditions and has a conscience.
    If calling himself a Ukrainian corresponds to this - brother! No no.
  • Simon
    Simon 4 May 2014 14: 47
    +2
    Received in the eye - spoke differently! Will get to Kiev - sings an old song!
  • andj61
    andj61 4 May 2014 19: 43
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: MainBeam
    So, after all, we are not one people?
    Can you name the signs of Russian or Ukrainian? Purely external, without stories about the soul and so on? When, when there were Slavs, it was possible to talk about one people, and even then conditionally.


    I do not agree! We are one people. We are Russia and Orthodox in Ukraine. Galicia is a different people, a different civilization, which was all the time in the outskirts of Poland and Austria-Hungary. And their faith is different - Uniates and Catholics. True, in the current junta, and among those who support it, unfortunately, it is also full of Russians.
    The story with the Vlasovites is repeated.
  • zaboyschik
    zaboyschik 8 May 2014 01: 04
    0
    There is even a table for the NKVD, if not a fake of course
  • Antor
    Antor 4 May 2014 11: 01
    +8
    We are One people, do not distort!
    But even in a large family, I did not notice how one or several brothers plow, and the other waves "mudami", and sits down at the table as if nothing had happened ...
    If many in the south-eastern Ukraine will be comfortable living under the Nazis, then whom will we protect and from whom ??
    Maybe they also want to drive, burn like in Odessa, God forgive me, for such a comparison of what they are waiting for or it is better for them to work in the mines, I'm afraid they will be buried there ..!
    Was it not they who were told "promise everything today, we will hang up tomorrow .."
    Helping those who fight, yes, but going to save those who do not want to save themselves is alas dishonest and shameful even towards their fathers and grandfathers who fought against fascism. It’s tough, it’s disgusting to write it yourself, but alas, it’s a fact-if they don’t want to help themselves, get rid of the Right Sector and the junta in Kiev, Russia will not help, Ukraine is another state, and we are not a world policeman like the USA and its hangers-on!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 4 May 2014 21: 13
      +2
      Quote: Antor
      ...
      If many in the south-eastern Ukraine will be comfortable living under the Nazis, then whom will we protect and from whom ??
      ...

      How to help those who, even now, especially in the cities of the Southeast, are more afraid of the threat of dismissal from work than living under the Nazis?
      And these bosses, threatening the Russian patriots with dismissal, are they invulnerable aliens and live not in the neighborhood? They are just ordinary money-hungry overseers. There’s no one to show Kuzkin’s mother? Give these henchmen of the oligarchs a small intestine under the back of the knee in collectives? Or at least, near the house to watch ... There is always a choice.
  • Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 4 May 2014 11: 26
    +16
    We are one people - and that is why NATO has not yet bombed the Donbass !!!!
    We hold on to the breasts of the main bandits !!!!
    And the punks will have to beat the Russians on the "Square"
    Or how, the older brother should do everything for the younger?
    Even the younger one?
    Get together and go ahead !!!
    Against 20 million in the territory of 7 regions - about 20 tons of thugs and about 200 units of rusty equipment. hi
    Do you think the Chechens were sweet these 20 years, when all the international shobla, wandered around their land, shot normal people, bother the youth’s head?
    Or there is now peace and quiet, well, full of Switzerland - and mind you, they don’t whine, but on the contrary are ready to go and help you on the first order !!!
    You are Russian - trouble is in your land. Fight !!!
    You give 20 thousand zinc to Lviv on Victory Day !!!!!
  • Thompson
    Thompson 4 May 2014 11: 26
    +2
    Who are "we? Based on the number of people picking up weapons to protect yours or ours we- then their units, in relation to the population, are not even Ukraine, but regions !!! And for whom to send troops? For the sake of this small number of worthy people? It’s easier for us to invite them to Russia. And the rest ... let them sit still, wait for their fate, which she even does not need to guess.
  • Bayard
    Bayard 4 May 2014 13: 11
    +11
    Quote: MainBeam
    So, after all, we are not one people?


    According to the author, it seems yes. But only in his opinion.
    In the Army of the Southeast there will be as many bayonets as how many machine guns can be obtained. At the checkpoints are people with sticks and hunting rifles, without gear and equipment ... against tanks and armored personnel carriers. In their ranks there are no oligarchs and simply rich people who could take on the financing and supply of the militias to the fullest. At checkpoints sometimes there is even nothing to eat, nothing to hide from the rain ... These are ordinary and very poor people. But these are RUSSIAN people.
    Few weapons, ammunition needed, air cover, equipment, communications.
    This is your hut on the edge! What country were you born in ?! In the Russian Federation? And I'm in the USSR, the former Russian Empire !!! And we did not have any Ukraine (as a state)!
    Kiev - MOTHER OF RUSSIAN CITIES !!! ... or is it not? Where did the Russian Land come from? !!!
    You chant "Russia" out of satiety and in gratitude to the one who provided you with this satiety, and the South-East, having raised the Russian flag, indicated its self-identity, we live in the land of Holy Russia and we know what this choice costs us. We pay this price.
    We can do it ourselves, HELP WEAPONS!
    And God is your judge.
    1. Che burashka
      Che burashka 4 May 2014 13: 23
      +6
      Quote: Bayard
      We pay this price.
      We can do it ourselves, HELP WEAPONS!
      And God is your judge.

      Well done!!! That’s how I’m ready to help, and not just with weapons. But such units ... Where are the rest of the people? Where are the miners? Where is 99% of the population?
      I believe that our special services urgently need to organize the transfer of weapons and ammunition in bulk quantities to the southeast.
      Just keep in mind gentlemen, weapons have the ability to shoot. Are you ready for this? Or again, only demagogy will be?
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 4 May 2014 21: 19
        +1
        Quote: Che Burashka
        Quote: Bayard
        We pay this price.
        We can do it ourselves, HELP WEAPONS!
        And God is your judge.

        Well done!!! That’s how I’m ready to help, and not just with weapons. But such units ... Where are the rest of the people? Where are the miners? Where is 99% of the population?
        I believe that our special services urgently need to organize the transfer of weapons and ammunition in bulk quantities to the southeast.
        Just keep in mind gentlemen, weapons have the ability to shoot. Are you ready for this? Or again, only demagogy will be?

        I agree with you a thousand times!
    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 4 May 2014 18: 32
      0
      Quote: Bayard
      Quote: MainBeam
      So, after all, we are not one people?


      According to the author, it seems yes. But only in his opinion.
      In the Army of the Southeast there will be as many bayonets as how many machine guns can be obtained. At the checkpoints are people with sticks and hunting rifles, without gear and equipment ... against tanks and armored personnel carriers. In their ranks there are no oligarchs and simply rich people who could take on the financing and supply of the militias to the fullest. At checkpoints sometimes there is even nothing to eat, nothing to hide from the rain ... These are ordinary and very poor people. But these are RUSSIAN people.
      Few weapons, ammunition needed, air cover, equipment, communications.
      This is your hut on the edge! What country were you born in ?! In the Russian Federation? And I'm in the USSR, the former Russian Empire !!! And we did not have any Ukraine (as a state)!
      Kiev - MOTHER OF RUSSIAN CITIES !!! ... or is it not? Where did the Russian Land come from? !!!
      You chant "Russia" out of satiety and in gratitude to the one who provided you with this satiety, and the South-East, having raised the Russian flag, indicated its self-identity, we live in the land of Holy Russia and we know what this choice costs us. We pay this price.
      We can do it ourselves, HELP WEAPONS!
      And God is your judge.

      if you believe the media, then you are doing very well there, and yet, I think, Lukin did not go to Slavyansk for nothing ...
      but in general, as a kid, I want to jump up and scream, "Well, pin. dos, shawal ..."
      3. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine hides the real number of victims, for its part, the article is fully interesting. Http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1797904.html
      and many still want to help, but believe me. there in Slavyansk there are the same men as we are, so why make a fuss with the introduction of troops if they are with the same school as here .... and there are enough weapons, and if they don’t give, so that they don’t harm themselves ...
      and in general, it will be nice if the fighters there confirm the article on the topvar on the ranking of military of different countries through the eyes of PMCs, something like that.
      and for war, there are many other ways to break pin.dos.tan. and their minions, I think something is being done, the article says a lot that sanctions aren’t even there, even the Pentagon, it feels
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 4 May 2014 19: 18
        0
        I just got here on the site http://topwar.ru/46406-kommyunike-shtaba-narodnogo-opolcheniya-ot-02-03052014-go
        da.html
  • nstarinsky
    nstarinsky 4 May 2014 19: 12
    +2
    Unfortunately not. In what place of Ukraine do you propose to draw a line, along which they will be, and on another - we? Some Ukrainians brainwashed the young. And the other part since 2004 of the year looked at it without problems. Now we all have the Ukrainian problem of fascism. Someone on the spot must learn to fix it.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 4 May 2014 20: 54
    +1
    The people are one, the states are different! In their own country, the citizens of this country must first crush fascism! In addition, if we recall the referendum of December 1, 1991 about independence in Ukraine, then in Crimea, according to official Kiev statistics, 52% of the population (probably not without fraud) voted for independence, while in other regions of "continental" Ukraine the percentage of votes for Square was at least 80%, including Donbass. And who should press these square-fascists now ?!
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 4 May 2014 07: 51
    +25
    The actions of the Ukrainian "rightists" are the result of brainwashing for 20 years. In fact, "Ukrainian fascism" is UkrSMI. That's where we need to start. It is impossible to lose information wars. Clean out ideology, and only then talk about bloodshed. We pissed away Ukraine 20 years ago, i.e. they did nothing to make Ukraine a brotherly country to us. We didn't do anything ourselves!
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 4 May 2014 09: 02
      -14%
      Quote: MainBeam
      The actions of the Ukrainian "rightists" are the result of brainwashing for 20 years. In fact, "Ukrainian fascism" is UkrSMI. That's where we need to start. It is impossible to lose information wars. Clean out ideology, and only then talk about bloodshed. We pissed away Ukraine 20 years ago, i.e. they did nothing to make Ukraine a brotherly country to us. We didn't do anything ourselves!

      and what didn’t you do?
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 4 May 2014 09: 22
        +9
        Quote: SpnSr
        and what didn’t you do?

        Where did you get it from? Did and do. I have friends and acquaintances in Ukraine and Belarus. So I regularly and periodically support my part of relations in the light of "friendship of peoples". So your remark does not correspond to the actual state of affairs in connection with your ignorance of my person. In vain you are so unfounded and unreasonably inducing slander. Ugly, however.
        wink
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 4 May 2014 09: 30
          -5
          Quote: MainBeam
          Quote: SpnSr
          and what didn’t you do?

          Where did you get it from? Did and do. I have friends and acquaintances in Ukraine and Belarus. So I regularly and periodically support my part of relations in the light of "friendship of peoples". So your remark does not correspond to the actual state of affairs in connection with your ignorance of my person. In vain you are so unfounded and unreasonably inducing slander. Ugly, however.
          wink

          where poklep, I just wondered! and if you did, then why is their brain so washed?
          1. Mainbeam
            Mainbeam 4 May 2014 09: 42
            +7
            Quote: SpnSr
            they

            Firstly, not at all.
            Secondly, as Comrade Muller said, if a person is constantly told that he is a pig, he will soon grunt.
            1. elmi
              elmi 4 May 2014 10: 30
              +11
              I am categorically against the fact that Ukrainian fascism drove into the coffin guys from the Russian Army.

              What is interesting to Western countries, too, for this position is that Russian troops do not need to enter Ukraine, even they threaten with 3 a package of sanctions. Interesting coincidences are obtained bully
              1. Pushkar
                Pushkar 4 May 2014 11: 08
                +6
                Quote: elmi
                I am categorically against the fact that Ukrainian fascism drove into the coffin guys from the Russian Army.

                What is interesting to Western countries, too, for this position is that Russian troops do not need to enter Ukraine, even they threaten with 3 a package of sanctions. Interesting coincidences are obtained bully
                This is formal. Really do everything to drag Russia into this adventure. A punitive operation with the murder of civilians and unarmed for this is started.
                1. skifd
                  skifd 4 May 2014 12: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: Pushkar
                  A punitive operation with the murder of civilians and unarmed for this is started.


                  So this is not the final. with a scythe, from the 45 second, you will be stunned:

                  1. Che burashka
                    Che burashka 5 May 2014 00: 26
                    0
                    Quote: skifd
                    Quote: Pushkar
                    A punitive operation with the murder of civilians and unarmed for this is started.


                    So this is not the final. with a scythe, from the 45 second, you will be stunned:


                    What is it removed?
                2. typhoon7
                  typhoon7 4 May 2014 19: 31
                  +1
                  In South Ossetia dragged so what? Here, in general, the blood is dear. We won’t help, they’ll cut out the Southeast, then such a Shtatovskaya base will appear there, which we never dreamed of, the sixth fleet in the Black Sea. Look at the maps more closely, put missile defense systems on the territory of Ukraine along the borders of Russia. If you don’t want to help fraternally, then at least for reasons of your own safety.
              2. green
                green 4 May 2014 12: 57
                0
                Anyone who is against the introduction of Russian peacekeepers is a narrow-minded person, or an agent of a pro-Western fifth column.
                1. Spnsr
                  Spnsr 4 May 2014 19: 34
                  +3
                  don't boil, take a rest
                  Illaria Goldberg VIOLETA ... I TELL ABOUT THE TELEVISION: this is a television tower near my house - our old Kramatorsk - this is not Karachun - where all the channels have been broadcast lately. It once housed a repeater for Kramatorsk and with it was the first cable television of the Broadcasting Company SKET in Ukraine. In recent years, it was practically not exploited - 2 news releases of Kramatorsk per week ... Nobody captured her from the militias .. just nobody even remembered about her ... And the night before yesterday I hear rushing along the 19th Party Congress of 2 APCs and on Katerynich shast ... I thought for some reason that they would break through to the square (we have Kramatorsk town in a cell i.e. all the main streets intersect perpendicularly) ... when ... they just drove to Katerinich - (and this street rests on the former military town where I live) and immediately stopped ... silence ... no shooting, no screaming ... I went to see ... DIES ... people jumped out 10 took the pose of a house - to capture means .. .and nobody closed the gates with the gate there, just closed the lock unclosed and that's all ... these ghouls climbed over the fence, and then one of them leaned on the gate, and they opened once and this one collapsed. ..)))) in short ... they flew into the courtyard, the guard, with a proson, opened them the doors to the building when you shke ... and says ... WELL WHAT HORSTER YOU HUMPBACK! THE GATE WALL CALLS! WOULD CALL I WILL OPEN AND MYSELF OPENED ... at the army, from such a tirade shuhlyak fell off ... and sho? dumb battle? there is no one dumb and watchman, such as - Come in! SIT! DRINK !!!!))) Of course, the army ran the entire building in 2 minutes - it is 2-story, but very tiny)))) and with screams, PURE !!! lined up by numbers ... from the outside it looked funny ... scream! The watchman asks, well, what do you set sail or will you settle down? And then, he says, my tea is getting cold ... you want, I say, I’ll treat you with a good merchant ... the warriors stood in front of the impenetrable watchman as children in the school before the principal ... The possessed commander ordered us to leave ... and here ... attention ... rzhach: The caretaker is wetting the tavern, comrade COMMANDER ... Sorry ME, BUT ALL COMMANDS TO THE MILITARY WILL BE GIVEN ONLY TO THE HOLD MOVE ... BE KIND, DO NOT VIOLATE THE INSTRUCT - GIVE THE TEAM ... COMMANDER FACE FROM PERCEPTION FIRST FIRST DECLINED IN BASIC POSITION, THERE HAS DISSOLVED IT ... AS A RESULT OF HE HARKNUL - THE OPERATION IS ENDED ... BY EXCEPTION OF DOMAINS OF HOUSES. .. THE GUARDIAN, STANDING ON THE PORCH AND SLIDING ON THE HANDS ... SO UNDERSTANDING THEM IN THE FOLLOWING: why don’t you drink the seagull? ... sorry ... well, then CLOSE the gate FOR YOURSELF, IERODES ...)))) )))))))))))))))) I HAD HISTORICALLY LIKED TO THE HOUSE,, THE GUARD-KING OF THE SITUATION))))
                  glav.su
                2. Spnsr
                  Spnsr 4 May 2014 19: 49
                  0
                  The story of the participant in the night battle in Konstantinovka (video)
                  http://rusvesna.su/news/1399207364
                3. Che burashka
                  Che burashka 5 May 2014 00: 28
                  0
                  Quote: zali
                  Anyone who is against the introduction of Russian peacekeepers is a narrow-minded person, or an agent of a pro-Western fifth column.

                  By the principle: Hto not jump, that moshal? Cool logic. Did Shkolota appear on the site?
            2. Spnsr
              Spnsr 4 May 2014 10: 49
              +3
              Quote: MainBeam
              Quote: SpnSr
              they

              Firstly, not at all.
              Secondly, as Comrade Muller said, if a person is constantly told that he is a pig, he will soon grunt.

              for the gifted, we will not talk about Russia's foreign policy towards Ukraine. I’ll only touch on the fact that more than 2 million Ukrainians work in Russia, another third of Ukrainians have relatives here, and very often come, the humor is (I am an eyewitness), when Russians start talking to them, for some reason they always begin to scold their authority , his government, and not even of that place, namely Putin, he is to blame for everything. then this Ukrainian goes home and shares what he heard. and almost always it’s that everything in Russia is bad, and now the question is, who wants to go to Russia? yes no one! well, maybe there are only a few who either realized and experienced in their own way that Russia is not so bad, or those RUSSIANs who really feel poher as good or bad, we are simply RUSSIAN!
              and you don’t have to blame everything on the media, and that Russia hasn’t done anything in this regard, in Russia they still don’t know what is good and what is bad, they learn from mistakes. and what did you do, those who spoke with those Ukrainians who came to Russia, or with whom you had to communicate? they only shared their negativity from our lives, and their negative attitude towards ... not not to power, but to Putin
              and further! But what is really so bad in Russia?
              1. Mainbeam
                Mainbeam 4 May 2014 11: 08
                +4
                Quote: SpnSr
                always start scolding their power

                We have different friends, different conversations. You have your own communication experience, but I have mine. I have it non-negative. And my foreign friends are not negative towards Russia, including Russians as well.

                Quote: SpnSr
                Who wants to go to Russia? yes no one!

                And also my friends and acquaintances left to live in St. Petersburg and Moscow, in Nizhny Novgorod and Nefteyugansk. They will live and come back. Not all, half. "There is such a word MOTHERLAND, son"

                Quote: SpnSr
                But what is really so bad in Russia?

                Deterioration and degradation of primary, secondary and higher education. The actual elimination of secondary specialized education. USE. The introduction of paid education, in fact paid medicine. Bad roads. High taxes. Killing for industry VAT 18%. The collapse of civil industry and agriculture. Americans written constitution. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not state-owned. Undeservedly low pensions.

                I would say that a complete ass. No, GDP is not to blame, of course.

                I want to be a shareholder in Gasprom.
                laughing
                1. Spnsr
                  Spnsr 4 May 2014 11: 52
                  +3
                  Quote: MainBeam
                  Quote: SpnSr
                  always start scolding their power

                  We have different friends, different conversations. You have your own communication experience, but I have mine. I have it non-negative. And my foreign friends are not negative towards Russia, including Russians as well.

                  Quote: SpnSr
                  Who wants to go to Russia? yes no one!

                  And also my friends and acquaintances left to live in St. Petersburg and Moscow, in Nizhny Novgorod and Nefteyugansk. They will live and come back. Not all, half. "There is such a word MOTHERLAND, son"

                  Quote: SpnSr
                  But what is really so bad in Russia?

                  Deterioration and degradation of primary, secondary and higher education. The actual elimination of secondary specialized education. USE. The introduction of paid education, in fact paid medicine. Bad roads. High taxes. Killing for industry VAT 18%. The collapse of civil industry and agriculture. Americans written constitution. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not state-owned. Undeservedly low pensions.

                  I would say that a complete ass. No, GDP is not to blame, of course.

                  I want to be a shareholder in Gasprom.
                  laughing

                  as one Kazakh used to say, krausauchig.
                  how arrogance, and rushing, as much as complacency sticks out ... sin, engage in narcissism.
                  and you don’t tell me, stupid chock, this is not for insult, but for you to understand who your son is! like in Russian and available.
                  but this is not about that, here you shout, however, everyone is to blame, especially Putin, I do not intercede for him, but, personally, what did you do in order to change something?
                  Nothing, judging by how you reacted to the dialogue with me, including the situation in Russia, you can only do harm .... again, I don’t want to insult or God forbid putting someone on the place, as my grandmother used to say, God be your judge, I mean that in all your statements it is negative, both to Russia, to the gdp, and to me. and with the relations between people, the Homeland begins, and the subtlety that even though we are in Russia, my Homeland will not be yours, and your homeland will not be mine. and moreover, from all that you have expressed regarding our common Motherland and the person who is now in charge, we can conclude what contribution you put into the “friendship of peoples” in quotation marks, you initially prepared your friends for that kind of perception of your Motherland!
                  about the Kazakh, he was much more Russian than some people
                  1. Mainbeam
                    Mainbeam 4 May 2014 12: 32
                    +1
                    .
                    Why are you like that? He went down to insults.
                    Or are you just a "prank"?
                    .
                  2. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 4 May 2014 12: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: MainBeam
                    .
                    Why are you like that? He went down to insults.

                    .

                    I wrote that I’m not trying to offend, it’s for the soul. there are some expressions that should not be used, and not only in relation to me. I say again, I did not try to insult! if we don’t talk about age, it’s about my son, even in quotation marks, a person with such an attitude to the Motherland would never be my father, and the reason I’m saying is not age, but in the perception of the Motherland and the people living here.
                    and it’s not Putin who writes laws, but the Duma thinks for a long time, and then he pampers like pies ... and what does the GDP have to do with it? or else, everyone directly curses the bribe takers, but as soon as the opportunity arises to snatch, they immediately forget that they cursed the bribe takers and budget thieves, again the gdp is to blame!
                    maybe you, I’m all around, that we have pin.dos.kie values, grandmothers, grandmothers, grandmothers ....
                    few can be satisfied with what they have ...
                  3. Mainbeam
                    Mainbeam 4 May 2014 13: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: SpnSr
                    there are some expressions that should not be used, and not only in relation to me.

                    "There is such a word MOTHERLAND, son" - this is from an old anecdote, the knowledge of which expands the subtext of the written, and does not refer specifically to the opponent. So they shouldn't have taken it personally.

                    Quote: SpnSr
                    boasted further on with your persona

                    I already realized that examples from personal experience are not welcome on the forum.
                    In the future I will avoid this.

                    Quote: Sour
                    I well remember the Ukrainians of Soviet times. 99,99% of them were infected with nationalism, to one degree or another.

                    But this is an argument for me, because my friends, apparently, belong to that 0,01%. Therefore in discussion with Sour did not enter. So you could calmly and reasonably refute my words. No insults. I think so.

                    Quote: SpnSr
                    and where does the gdp

                    If anything, then who is he then?
                    "I finally work here as a cleaner" (also from an anecdote)
                    .
                  4. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 4 May 2014 14: 31
                    +2
                    Quote: MainBeam
                    "There is such a word MOTHERLAND, son" - this is from an old anecdote, the knowledge of which expands the subtext of the written, and does not refer specifically to the opponent. So they shouldn't have taken it personally.

                    Quote: MainBeam
                    I already realized that examples from personal experience are not welcome on the forum.
                    In the future I will avoid this.

                    all the more an anecdote, if at least somehow from the heart, another reaction would be possible, alas .... your arrogance is insulting, although initially there was only a question to which the arrogant answer was painfully.
                    about experience, it always seemed to me that a person expressing his point of view expresses his whole life experience, but those examples that you told, believe me, they were not painted very beautifully. arrogance again .... is also a consequence of life experience.
                    I won’t say anything about the GDP, it’s different, time will tell.
                    and in Kramatorsk guys are coping! can withstand, maybe the junta will not have enough strength and they will choke, maybe Donetsk will gather and defend its own .... show the whole world who are Russians, without much help from outside ...
          2. ole
            ole 4 May 2014 13: 30
            +3
            I also want Gazprom in any form. And medicine in Vologda Keyak in St. Petersburg, because in St. Petersburg, the child is given a disability, and in Vologda they are sent as healthy. angry
  • Spnsr
    Spnsr 4 May 2014 11: 14
    +1
    Quote: MainBeam
    Quote: SpnSr
    and what didn’t you do?

    Where did you get it from? Did and do. I have friends and acquaintances in Ukraine and Belarus. So I regularly and periodically support my part of relations in the light of "friendship of peoples". So your remark does not correspond to the actual state of affairs in connection with your ignorance of my person. In vain you are so unfounded and unreasonably inducing slander. Ugly, however.
    wink

    well, so they boasted further on with their persona, said “a,” go on, and what contribution you made to the friendship of peoples, the friendship of peoples in quotation marks
  • I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 4 May 2014 12: 13
    +6
    Quote: MainBeam
    The actions of the Ukrainian "right" are the result of brainwashing for 20 years


    forgot about parents? How to raise ... that's the result.
  • Sour
    Sour 4 May 2014 12: 46
    +7
    Quote: MainBeam
    The actions of the Ukrainian "rightists" are the result of brainwashing for 20 years.

    Not true, Ukrainian nationalism also flourished in the USSR.
    Yes, at the household level. But once he had to go to a different level.
    I well remember the Ukrainians of Soviet times. 99,99% of them were infected with nationalism, to one degree or another.
    In the past 20 years, this has only been legalized.
    Quote: MainBeam
    those. actively did nothing to make Ukraine a fraternal country. We ourselves did nothing!

    Until 2004, they sold them cheap gas.
    But actually you write nonsense. There were no chances to keep Ukraine. She is too infected with fascism, and for a long time.
    Quote: MainBeam
    We pissed away Ukraine 20 years ago,

    Tyagnibok, Yushchenko, Yarosh, Turchinov were brought up in the USSR, and not 20 years ago.
    1. sanja.grw
      sanja.grw 4 May 2014 14: 22
      +2
      I was in Lviv on an excursion from school, I live in Nizhny about 89 or 90, so there the Natsiks were already demonstrating on the streets. I remember they wanted to catch a taxi with older guys so when they heard Russian speech they left silently.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 4 May 2014 22: 03
      0
      Quote: Sour
      ...
      Quote: MainBeam
      We pissed away Ukraine 20 years ago,

      Tyagnibok, Yushchenko, Yarosh, Turchinov were brought up in the USSR, and not 20 years ago.

      And also: Tymoshenko, Kolomoisky, Poroshenko ... And Farion was once a member of the CPSU and a Russian language propagandist, an amazing metamorphosis, isn't it ...
  • kolobok63
    kolobok63 4 May 2014 13: 08
    +7
    Regarding the "brothers" - bullshit! In the early 50s, I went there every summer, even then, I was still a boy teased with KATSAP, which was VERY insulting! And this despite the fact that the name of the Great Kobzar is carried! The Ukrainians themselves have to deal with the SS! To send our guys to death is a CRIME! Weapons, yes! Equipment, yes! Ammunition, yes! But not a single SOLDIER!
    1. bald
      bald 4 May 2014 20: 09
      0
      I completely agree with the kolobok. -Stop screaming about proy Ukraine! I was in Ukraine in the 80s, in 91, in the 2000s, and all these years the same conversations. - “We feed you, you eat our lard, you owe us.” Even at the government level, the same requirements. The essence of the problem with Ukraine, in my opinion, is the venality of most of the representatives of the "titular nation". There is a saying "Where the h.o.kh.o.l. has passed, there is nothing for a Jew to do" - For dollars whoever you want they will shoot, kill, burn, support any putsch, sell their own mother. Judge for yourself, Western Ukrainians are minuscule, and Kiev, mum did not grieve. This means that the ideas of the Nazis are close to the majority of Ukrainians. And to climb there with the army, substitute yourself. S will howl with joy, and the titular nation will have an additional incentive to unite with the banderlog. Let them sip on that porridge that they themselves have brewed to their fullest. Our brothers, however, need now to help with the supply of currency - there will be money, everything will be up to technology (the "title" themselves will supply everything according to the first class).
    2. bald
      bald 4 May 2014 20: 09
      0
      I completely agree with the kolobok. -Stop screaming about proy Ukraine! I was in Ukraine in the 80s, in 91, in the 2000s, and all these years the same conversations. - “We feed you, you eat our lard, you owe us.” Even at the government level, the same requirements. The essence of the problem with Ukraine, in my opinion, is the venality of most of the representatives of the "titular nation". There is a saying "Where the h.o.kh.o.l. has passed, there is nothing for a Jew to do" - For dollars whoever you want they will shoot, kill, burn, support any putsch, sell their own mother. Judge for yourself, Western Ukrainians are minuscule, and Kiev, mum did not grieve. This means that the ideas of the Nazis are close to the majority of Ukrainians. And to climb there with the army, substitute yourself. S will howl with joy, and the titular nation will have an additional incentive to unite with the banderlog. Let them sip on that porridge that they themselves have brewed to their fullest. Our brothers, however, need now to help with the supply of currency - there will be money, everything will be up to technology (the "title" themselves will supply everything according to the first class).
    3. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 5 May 2014 09: 52
      0
      Quote: kolobok63
      Regarding the "brothers" - bullshit! In the early 50s, I went there every summer, even then, I was still a little boy teased with KATSAP, which was VERY insulting


      hi I was near Odessa at the age of 5-7 (I will not name the place, it makes no sense) and came across a similar one. Odessans 40 years and older did not allow me to disrespect, but 30-35 years old, depending on the situation. Situations were repeated regularly and all according to one scenario - a bit of a dispute with peers Odessa dwellers immediately went to their kanek - supposedly you were a maskal and wound up the mask of Ka88ts88p home. There were fights ... and now the parent of the beaten man ran for any bruise and broken nose and already porch yelling about maskals. Father is my intellectual winked ... but it also happened that he couldn’t stand it ... he lowered the screamer from the stairs
      These are the "brothers"
  • alweer
    alweer 4 May 2014 17: 39
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdYvOwq2u
    and got this
  • Penzyac
    Penzyac 4 May 2014 21: 31
    0
    Quote: MainBeam
    The actions of the Ukrainian "rightists" are the result of brainwashing for 20 years. In fact, "Ukrainian fascism" is UkrSMI. That's where we need to start. It is impossible to lose information wars. Clean out ideology, and only then talk about bloodshed. We pissed away Ukraine 20 years ago, i.e. they did nothing to make Ukraine a brotherly country to us. We didn't do anything ourselves!

    And those who are working on the current ukro-media should answer on a par with the sadists from the PS and "ideological" Nazis from "Svoboda", and maybe even more, since the consequences of their "work" on brainwashing for the people are most terrible.
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 4 May 2014 08: 08
    +1
    We are divided and you are divided

    Instead of multiplying and adding, you share and minus.
    laughing
    1. saag
      saag 4 May 2014 08: 46
      +13
      Well, go call the law-enforcement brother, he will kill you and the whole story will end.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 4 May 2014 09: 31
        +1
        Well, you fucking give!
        I will not call Limonov a brother. And Rogozin. And this does not mean at all that the Russian Federation is not my homeland, and the Russians are not my people! I am one people with Gagarin, but not with Nemtsov? Hit your head against the wall with your exceptions. Sorry for the harshness, but your comment is not correct in principle.

        1. saag
          saag 4 May 2014 11: 45
          +1
          Quote: MainBeam
          Bang your head against the wall

          I return your wish to you
          1. Mainbeam
            Mainbeam 4 May 2014 12: 44
            +2
            Quote: saag
            I return your wish to you

            Thank. Is logical.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 4 May 2014 13: 19
          +2
          Quote: MainBeam
          I am one people with Gagarin, but not with Nemtsov?

          And here is at your discretion, as conscience will indicate ...
          Everything is like in the Bible, either with the Messiah or with Judah ...
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 4 May 2014 22: 10
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            Quote: MainBeam
            I am one people with Gagarin, but not with Nemtsov?

            And here is at your discretion, as conscience will indicate ...
            Everything is like in the Bible, either with the Messiah or with Judah ...

            Brothers are both inconspicuous and sick, including on the head.
            If one brother refuses another, this does not mean that he is obliged to answer the same.
            1. Mainbeam
              Mainbeam 5 May 2014 11: 18
              0
              Quote: PENZYAC

              Brothers are both inconspicuous and sick, including on the head.


              I agree.

              Help your brother in difficult times, whether he is right or wrong.
              .
    2. domokl
      domokl 4 May 2014 08: 51
      +4
      You are very ugly distorting the concept of a fraternal people and one people. We lived together, we mixed up, we shared culture, customs, but we are just fraternal people.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 4 May 2014 09: 39
        +12
        Quote: domokl
        We lived together

        It is the matter of time. We used to live together. Then no. Who prevents us from uniting again? For 20 years they were brainwashed, 5 billion were invested in our disunity, and so they got "pravoseks". As Zadornov said, you cannot defeat the country, start teaching their children freedom and sex, and they themselves will take away their parents in full. So they raised a whole generation of Russophobes.

        And this is only a matter of time. And political will. And worldview. The Yankees and Eurosopers are progressively moving in the same direction. And this direction is not with us along the way. And we ourselves can influence the minds of our brothers, our people, the people of the territories of our influence. And we always need to remember that
        time does not matter. Life itself is important.

        1. domokl
          domokl 4 May 2014 09: 47
          +2
          Quote: MainBeam
          Who is stopping us from uniting again?

          Why? Why should Ukrainians give up what many generations have been talking about? Something Belarusians are in no hurry to unite. Although we live fraternally. Why do Russians also? When we lived before the junta came to power in Ukraine, they didn’t really talk about unification, besides radicals, of course.
          Quote: MainBeam
          So they raised a whole generation of Russophobia. and it is only a matter of time. But we must remember that
          time does not matter. Life itself is important.

          This is a generation of residents of another country. It’s different. Not the Russian Federation, not the USSR, but Ukraine, and, sadly, it is up to them to decide what and how ... Look at the Baltic states, Georgia, Turkmenistan. They squeak how they feel bad but something is not visible demonstrations for joining the Russian Federation
          1. Mainbeam
            Mainbeam 4 May 2014 09: 52
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            This is a generation of people from another country.

            Divide and rule! Divide and rule!
            .
          2. Mainbeam
            Mainbeam 4 May 2014 10: 12
            -2
            If desired, Russia can be divided into Udmurtia, Bashkiria, Tatarstan. And if you do so, then after 20 years they will talk about the Russian Federation, just like you now about the USSR.

            Quote: domokl
            Look at the Baltic states, Georgia, Turkmenistan

            And then you can divide, for example, the Tatars into Mishars, Kazan Tatars, Crimean Tatars, etc.
            tatarica.yuldash.com ›religios / article443
            Misharin is a Tatar with a mark of quality. Damir Mukhetdinov is a bright representative of the Tatar youth of the new formation
    3. cosmos111
      cosmos111 4 May 2014 09: 03
      -8
      Who should stop fascism in Ukraine?


      VVPUTIN !!!!!
      only it is not clear why he is silent, the account of the killed patriots of Russian and Ukrainians, of the brutally killed went to hundreds ....
      why does he communicate through his secretary ??? why doesn’t he speak ????
      one of his speeches (even without the introduction of troops) forced the rulers of the junta to stop punitive operations ....
      and save dozens of lives of patriots !!!
      !
      1. domokl
        domokl 4 May 2014 09: 15
        +14
        Quote: cosmos111
        VVPUTIN !!!!!
        only it is not clear why he is silent, the account of the killed patriots of Russian and Ukrainians, of the brutally killed went to hundreds ....

        Because Putin is the president of a state called the Russian Federation, not Ukraine. And to intervene without at least a request in internal affairs means aggression. And personally, I, in the place of Ukrainian citizens, would resist external aggression .. And Putin perfectly understands this.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 4 May 2014 09: 45
          +15
          Quote: domokl
          Because Putin is the president of a state called the Russian Federation, not Ukraine

          And in Rostov someone Yanukovych is hiding. And he just has the right. And since he himself does not want to lead the resistance to the right-wing Nazis, let him at least sign the necessary pieces of paper so that those who want and can do it legally. And if you don’t want to sign it in a good way, you can also encourage, say, stick a soldering iron in a suitable hole, and ask whether it will sign it of your own free will, or plug the plug into a socket.
          1. domokl
            domokl 4 May 2014 09: 52
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            And in Rostov someone Yanukovych is hiding. And he just has the right.

            And what will it give? The UN has already recognized the change of power in Ukraine. Legally, this same someone is already nobody ... The papers signed by him cost exactly the same as those not signed. Yes, and the Ukrainian people (along with those who come with him) will tear in Ukraine
            1. woron333444
              woron333444 4 May 2014 10: 45
              +4
              he is, so far, the legitimately elected president. Don't like let him go to europe
              1. domokl
                domokl 4 May 2014 11: 42
                0
                Quote: woron333444
                he is, so far, the legitimately elected president. Don't like let him go to europe

                Look at the decision of the UN. It has long been nobody ... Read the original sources and not komenty
            2. dik-fort
              dik-fort 4 May 2014 11: 08
              +4
              Quote: domokl

              And what will it give? The UN has already recognized the change of power in Ukraine. Legally, this same someone is already nobody ... The papers signed by him cost exactly the same as those not signed. Yes, and the Ukrainian people (along with those who come with him) will tear in Ukraine

              Your statements are not true, the UN did not recognize the change of power in Ukraine and the abdication of Yanukovych, the USA and the EU recognized, did not accept any documents at the UN official level. By all standards of law, Yanukovych is a legitimate president, so the US and the EU will force the presidential election to somehow legitimize the junta.
              1. domokl
                domokl 4 May 2014 11: 45
                -1
                Quote: dik-fort

                Р'Р ° С € Рё утверждения РЅРµ СЃРѕРѕС‚РІРµС‚СЃС‚РІСѓРµС ‚действител ьности,

                The Prime Minister of Ukraine Yatsenyuk has repeatedly spoken at the UN Security Council, and the President of the UN Security Council specially came to Kiev to meet with the acting President of Ukraine Turchinov ...
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 4 May 2014 10: 20
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          Because Putin is the president of a state called the Russian Federation,

          IT IS MOST POSSIBLE TO CONDEMN THIS Fascist ENDURANCE ????
          read carefully what I wrote
          Quote: cosmos111
          even without the introduction of troops)

          Kadyrov, eager for battle, militias from the Crimea, Special Forces, which should be active abroad ....
          there are decisions COB..FED..Allowing actions abroad ....
          why aren't all these mechanisms used ?????

          if Russia now does not support the South-East, militarily, US RUSSIA, they will be damned !!!!!
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 4 May 2014 12: 23
            +2
            Quote: cosmos111
            , US RUSSIA, there ...


            they have already done so.
          2. akimkatungus
            akimkatungus 4 May 2014 12: 39
            +3
            It is the mothers of those who died for SALO cursed RUSSIA. Let yourself once ... Xia. Spring, summer, Autumn, WINTER.
          3. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 13: 13
            +7
            Quote: cosmos111
            if Russia now does not support the South-East, militarily, US RUSSIA, they will be damned !!!!!

            will stretch even more if it introduces. about the "bloody putina" they have already been brainwashed. want to give them a trump card in hand. how many actually went to protest actions in big cities? hundreds. well, the biggest is a couple of thousand. and the rest? sure they need our soldiers on the streets? but they will then shoot us in the back. do you need a guerrilla war against us? I don’t. and GDP too
        3. Kolya
          Kolya 4 May 2014 10: 26
          +7
          And what does Obama do not intervene? It's time to clearly express your position! Russians in Ukraine should clearly feel that Putin (and all of Russia) is behind them, not Yanukovych. Many Russians in Ukraine are now at a loss. Why does Russia not judge Yanukovych for looting? Precisely looting! After all, if you look at the events as part of the 70-year (at least) war of the West against Russia, then Yanukovych and the team were looters. They robbed the people pretending to be pro-Russian. That is why the people are at a loss now, and they are really very divided. Not every ordinary person can distinguish values ​​by importance. Many have understood that if the "pro-Russian" Yanukovych robbed, then there are enemies. Only conscious people can make sense of this mess. Of course, there is no need to send troops. It is necessary to give the people of Ukraine to be ill, at least a year. There will be plenty of promises from the West and everything will fall into place. But Putin must officially declare and prosecute Yanukovych for looting in New Russia! After such a step, 10 million Ukrainian people will refuse to support the junta and begin the liberation struggle.
          1. Boralex63
            Boralex63 4 May 2014 11: 38
            +3
            "Of course, there is no need to send troops. You need to let the people of Ukraine get sick, at least a year. They will fill up on promises from the West and everything will fall into place. But Putin must officially declare and prosecute Yanukovych for looting in Novorossia! After such a step, 10 million Ukrainian people will refuse to support the junta and start a liberation struggle. " - Oh, yes, I beg you! He invited the godfather to his farm for a visit. He arrived in the evening, walking down the street - no one, silence. He sees: in each wicker fence there is a neatly made round hole, and in it the butt is naked sticking out. Came closer - bony, hairy ass, in short, male. The visiting godfather was even more surprised.
            He approaches the hut Kuma - there, too, ass sticks out. He opens the gate and sees: the godfather is bent over, he lowered his socks.
            - Why are you shy, godfather?
            - Quiet! At the farm pidor having appeared. On live bait ...
            THIS IS NOT HEALED !!!
          2. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 13: 15
            +6
            Quote: Kohl
            Why does Russia not judge Yanukovych for looting?

            and on what basis? based on rumors of the junta? how much did he steal? was the consequence? was the court? was the verdict?
            1. Skipper2050
              Skipper2050 4 May 2014 16: 15
              +2
              He can now be judged for dishonesty and cowardice - only there is no such article. The fact that the GDP did not call him a coward is only live.
      2. Kite
        Kite 4 May 2014 10: 14
        +5
        Quote: cosmos111
        VVPUTIN !!!!!
        ..............................
        why does he communicate through his secretary ???

        - Could I pick up a secretary and send to you? laughing and Ryazan guys to Kiev. In fact (and everyone understands this), in order to solve the issue 100%, it is necessary to use not Special Forces in Ukraine, but the Strategic Missile Forces on another continent. Exactly there are those creatures that grow cerebral mold and scatter it over the peoples of the world.
        So, more seriously, are you ready to discuss the issue?
        And then everything: "Putin, send troops to Kharkov (Kiev ...... etc.)"
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 4 May 2014 10: 27
          -10%
          Quote: Kite
          - Could I pick up a secretary and send to you?

          what is so much fun ????
          Are you that mentally ill, or one of them, banderlog ????

          OUR BROTHERS KILLED AT THIS MINUTE AND VV PUTIN DOES NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING ????
          1. Kite
            Kite 4 May 2014 10: 54
            +3
            Quote: cosmos111
            what is so much fun ????

            - fun??? Not at all! I just don’t have the opportunity to get you out of hysteria with the recommended method. So I tried to distract with signs.
          2. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 4 May 2014 12: 47
            +2
            minus you "brother"! if you are so hot - a tablecloth road, go - look! there just most of us are not waiting and do not even want us to come!
          3. Lukich
            Lukich 4 May 2014 13: 20
            +8
            Quote: cosmos111
            OUR BROTHERS KILLED AT THIS MINUTE AND VV PUTIN DOES NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING ????

            a saber and a gait three crosses in Kiev? Yes, in this situation we’ll get so stuck, Chechnya will seem like a paradise. and these brothers will sit by the TV and watch how it ends. they brothers raised fascism, them and weed beds. that's when the majority will rise, then you need help
          4. Che burashka
            Che burashka 5 May 2014 00: 50
            0
            Quote: cosmos111
            Quote: Kite
            - Could I pick up a secretary and send to you?

            what is so much fun ????
            Are you that mentally ill, or one of them, banderlog ????

            OUR BROTHERS KILLED AT THIS MINUTE AND VV PUTIN DOES NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING ????

            What prevents personally going to save SE? Obviously, the computer is too warm and comfortable. And in the southeast, you’ll have to get wet in the rain, climb under the bullets, and they will also shoot something. Sadness ... It’s better to write that Putin is to blame for everything and throw a tantrum. Here he is - the special forces of the keyboard, the knight of the monitor and mouse. The mouse mat is tearing at the British flag without straining. Now I am calm for the future of the country wassat
      3. Pushkar
        Pushkar 4 May 2014 11: 20
        +5
        Quote: cosmos111
        Who should stop fascism in Ukraine?


        VVPUTIN !!!!!

        !
        And why are you nodding to Putin, Mr. Internet hero? Not small, he took the machine, and went volunteering.
      4. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2014 13: 08
        +5
        Quote: cosmos111
        why won't he perform ????

        he is not an Abama woman to grind his tongue every day. he works, and not runs on press conferences
  • taseka
    taseka 4 May 2014 08: 50
    +5
    They are all alike! And the current junta in Kiev, coupled with NATO and the EU, and the bastards in Berlin 1941g.
    1. taseka
      taseka 4 May 2014 08: 52
      0
      A clear picture of these figures in historical terms! Kiev 2014-Berlin 1941gg.
    2. taseka
      taseka 4 May 2014 10: 12
      0
      Here they are in 41 and I think that they are not much different in 2014.
  • scientist
    scientist 4 May 2014 10: 02
    +7
    Quote: ZU-23
    The people must defeat fascism

    Remember the story. Fascism is such an infection that the people in their own state will never be able to etch it. Germany or Italy could not do this before, for more than 20 years Latvia has not been able to defeat fascism on its own. We love ourselves too much, so it’s very easy to convince many nations of their chosenness.
    Unfortunately, there is no definition of fascism in international practice, there is no legal framework for protecting the population from information-psychological processing. From here and the manipulation of the concepts of patriotism-nationalism-fascism. Facets are thin and easily turned upside down.
    Until there is an international legal framework and a program to combat fascism, adopted at least at the level of a coalition of states such as the SCO and CSTO, until then this brown plague will spread.
    1. kirieeleyson
      kirieeleyson 4 May 2014 10: 14
      +19
      Sergey Sever

      "Burn, Russians!" - a scream is heard in Odessa.
      "Burn, you bastards! We will warm you up!"
      The killer's hand wavered for a moment
      And straightened up with a fire cocktail.
      And those who tried to escape
      They beat me on the kidneys with rusty rods ...
      We must kill for Ukraine
      And show off bloody hands.
      Burn in hell, damned country
      Only flame will cure you of malice.
      You will remember the names of Odessa,
      When your fire envelops the banner.
      Burn in hell for meanness and fascism,
      For what Russian made enemies.
      For undisguised furious sadism
      You will die, jerking your legs.
      Burn in hell, there is no mercy for you.
      Unitarity became the prison of nations.
      They went down the chimney in smoke
      And you did not feel pity for them.
      Burn in hell, blaze, gangster country
      . Burn in hell - and there is nothing to add ...
      Bastards don't know the word "shame"
      And you let them in and allowed to rule.
      Burn in hell. Odessa will not forgive ...
      "Burn in hell", - in Slavyansk they will say sadly.
      A burning wound hurts in my heart
      And the soul is calm and empty
      1. The point
        The point 4 May 2014 11: 31
        +1
        Eternal memory to REAL HEROES who have suffered martyrdom at the hands of subhuman.
    2. starley
      starley 4 May 2014 22: 12
      0
      Fascism is specially nurtured in artificially depleted lands - a way of educating a pack of hungry dogs ready for any meanness for a meager serving
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  • dmitrich
    dmitrich 4 May 2014 10: 14
    +7
    Too well, the Ukrainian media rummaged into the heads of citizens thoughts of a bloody Putin
    this is the work of the CIA, it wouldn’t even occur to banderlogs.
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  • Naum
    Naum 4 May 2014 11: 30
    +2
    Yes, it is necessary to help, but not to lay the lives of Russian boys for the happiness of those who are hiding at this time "in the mountains" (in the attic). Green light for volunteers! It is also possible, among other things, to launch drones with air-to-ground missiles across the border. Goals - to the fig!
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 4 May 2014 11: 52
    +2
    I absolutely agree with the author. Until everyone gets up, it's hard to believe that the Russian Armed Forces will be greeted with flowers. Moreover, Putin must have good reasons; the whole world is looking at him.
  • Ross
    Ross 4 May 2014 12: 05
    +2
    Warning to the Jews of Ukraine from Rabbi Eduard Khoros.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 4 May 2014 14: 48
      +1
      Thank. Cool. A song is such a masterpiece. I would like to listen to the Professor on this subject ...
  • 222222
    222222 4 May 2014 12: 11
    +1
    Russia strengthens its army in Crimea
    at http://news.eizvestia.com/news_politics/full/556-rossiya-usilivaet-svoyu-armiyu-
    na-territorii-kryma
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz 4 May 2014 12: 17
    +5
    Quote: ZU-23
    The people must defeat fascism, the remaining 90% must raise the opa and hollow fascists and not wait until Russia comes and begins the third world.

    Judging by the number of positive reviews (pluses) I will be cruelly minus. Well?
    Russia and Ukraine are two different state entities. This is true. But how many and majestically did the comments on the site say: "We are one people!"? Yes, indeed, making statements by tapping on the keyboard is safe. But when "the people must defeat fascism" it is more convenient to remember that we are Russia, and they are Ukraine and that they are on fire, and not all of them are actively involved in extinguishing. But, after all, if their house burns down, tomorrow ours will burn.
    And then the "Russian guy from Belgorod or Pskov" one way or another will still be forced to pick up a machine gun.
    I am not the leader of the Fair Rossya party, so give us the address, who to contact?
    Those 90% of whom you are talking about, Afraid of losing their jobs, even if they have a bad but well-established life, what they consider to be inferior but stability. But what if family? God be their judge. But always, at all times it was like that. Everyone may wonder, but how would I behave in their situation? And if you answer yourself honestly?
    I don’t remember and don’t want to search. Including on our website the German priest is often quoted, his reasoning that they first came for the Jews - I am not a Jew, etc. But in the end it came and took.
    I do not call for the direct entry of troops, I am not the commander in chief, but, believe me, staying away from Russia will not work. How not to delay the fight, but if the fight with you is the goal of the gopniks, then you still have to fight.
  • sinandju
    sinandju 4 May 2014 12: 20
    +3
    The people must defeat fascism, the remaining 90% must raise the opa and hollow fascists and not wait until Russia comes and begins the third world.

    You forgot, dear comrade and author of the article, apparently, too, why fascism won in Germany and Italy. You forgot why the Second World War happened. With the connivance of all the leading countries of that time and with the indulgence of some of them. The same thing is happening now. How will the people destroy the Nazis? How? Before defending Putin, defending Europe and the USA, that they don’t climb correctly, morally supporting the inhabitants of Ukraine from afar while they are being killed. It is not necessary to praise the inhabitants of Crimea too much in defending the interests of Crimea. there were as many active supporters of reunification with Russia as in the Donbass and other eastern regions of Ukraine. BUT ... There was a time factor, the Kiev government has not yet taken shape until the end, it was easy to block the isthmus small, and not a bunch of roads, there was help from the Russian troops. which Putin confessed in an interview. And advisers from Russia from the GRU and other offices. It was and therefore it passed so easily. And Crimea Ukrainized less than other Ukraine in time. You do not want to take anything into account. In the Donbass there is no elementary weapon to defend well and successfully. And with fascism as an example of history, one cannot play peepers for a long time. Do you sometimes watch Ukrainian channels? Very interesting thing. Without knowing other interpretations of events, one can break one’s mind by thinking whether this is true or not. Ukrainians have very tight having such a TV propaganda. Try it yourself to experience it first. In Russia, too, not everything is going smoothly and there are a bunch of vile examples like Serdyukov and the fact that he was not imprisoned and given the position. And a bunch of others. But we are giving Putin super legitimacy right now in the midst of winning the Crimea. It may be too early to fight. But here it’s necessary to speak openly from all the stands about the fascist government in Kiev, to apply all sanctions against the fascist regime, not being afraid of the consequences, but openly and saying that these are sanctions against the fascist and illegitimate government in Ukraine. We must say to the whole world that the United States supports the Nazis in Ukraine and Putin and Medvedev and the entire government and all deputies. Afraid to stop buying oil in the West? But this is after all a continuation of the neoliberal economy, which all patriots hate together with the liberals of our country. What is it? all Putinists are condemned by liberals, despised, and their economic activity is not condemned in any way. All normal Russian economists say that we will live without the sale of oil and gas to the West. In the end, the United States had an embargo on the sale of its oil abroad for almost a hundred years and nothing became the greatest power. There are a lot of ways to make money, but while the export pipe is working, nothing in our government wants to do anything. Do not itch. We must tell Putin everywhere. so that he is not afraid to impose sanctions against the fascist government in Ukraine. that there are normal and honest people among educated people who will help to pull Russia out of the pit, and the patriots will always support and if necessary suffer minor hardships. The 90s survived.
  • zanoza
    zanoza 4 May 2014 12: 25
    +1
    Quote: ZU-23
    ... the remaining 90% must raise the opa and hollow the Nazis ...

    Someone and * opu from the sofa can not be poisoned, noh you have to set your brains off that they march in torchlight processions and throw up their hands in a fascist greeting, kill dissidents, pour out "Molotov cocktails" and burn people alive, jump and chant: "Mosca * to her knives!" .... Who will these beasts kids? what
    Put things in order in your families and in your minds.
  • wulf66
    wulf66 4 May 2014 12: 36
    +7
    I agree in the absolute! It is YOURSELF. About 1,5-2 THOUSAND ultras and law enforcement officers drive several HUNDRED militias across Odessa !!! IN ODESSA with 1,5 million people !!! Where are the others!!!? Waiting for when the RUSSIAN ARMY comes? In 1991, they waited for her to LEAVE ...
    1. Love
      Love 4 May 2014 14: 03
      +1
      I would like to listen to these "gentlemen" right now ...
  • Common sense
    Common sense 4 May 2014 12: 52
    +3
    So it turns out that everything that happens right now is correct. After all, the vast majority stupidly sits in the huts, they are afraid that they will not be kicked out of work or something else. Slaves and they do not care who will pay them the money, it turns out, and then Russia what is the point of introducing troops if the majority do not give a damn about themselves. And I would suggest to the Oplchets to Russia if the rest, those whose huts are hidden, do not give a damn about the future of their kind.
  • Simon
    Simon 4 May 2014 14: 37
    +1
    Americans and Europeans are just waiting for Russia to climb into Ukraine, to show the whole world that we are invaders. The fight should be carried out by the local population, and they themselves have enough specialists, enough of the Berkut soldiers who went over to our side, teach them a little to conduct hostilities and send them to the rebels, and of course help them with weapons to fight air targets and armored vehicles. I think that many Berkut members will return to Ukraine to take revenge on the "right-wing sector" for the losses and humiliations they have suffered.
  • Skipper2050
    Skipper2050 4 May 2014 16: 00
    +1
    I think that 99% should raise f ... py, there are few people fighting in truth. On Russia and on the GDP there is a specific run over, from the West and the Americans, and people sit at home and wait for everything to end. And the Big Brother will come, he will not keep order, and in the end they will say - "why did you come here who called you?"
  • strannik1108
    strannik1108 4 May 2014 22: 44
    +2
    From the border we spun the Earth back -
    It was a matter of first.
    But our battalion commander twisted it back,
    Having kicked off from the Urals.

    Finally, we were ordered to advance,
    To take away our spans and crumbs,
    But we remember how the sun went back
    And almost went in the east.

    We do not measure the Earth in steps
    Wasting flowers for nothing,
    We push her boots -
    From myself, from myself!

    And from the wind from the east bent stacks,
    Presses to the rocks of the flock.
    Earth axis we moved without a lever,
    Changing the direction of the blow.

    Do not be alarmed when sunset is not in place,
    Doomsday is a fairy tale for elders
    They just rotate the Earth wherever they want,
    Our interchangeable companies on the march.

    We crawl, hugs
    Tussles squeezing evil, not loving
    And pushing the Earth with our knees
    From myself, from myself!

    Nobody would find here, even if I wanted to,
    Hands raised up.
    All living things have tangible benefits from the bodies:
    As cover we use the fallen.

    Will this stupid lead find everyone right away?
    Where will overtake - point blank or from the rear?
    Someone in front, leaned on the pillbox -
    And the Earth froze for a moment.

    I left my feet behind
    In passing by the dead grief
    I rotate the globe with my elbows -
    From myself, from myself!

    Someone stood up to his full height and bowed,
    He took a bullet with a sigh.
    But to the west, to the west the battalion creeps,
    So that the sun rises in the east.

    Belly - through the mud, breathe the stench of swamps,
    But we close our eyes to the smell.
    Today the sun is going down normally in the sky,
    Because we rush west.

    Hands, feet - is it in place, isn’t it?
    Like sipping dew at a wedding,
    We pull the earth with its teeth by the stems -
    To myself! For yourself! Push!
  • obraztsov
    obraztsov 6 May 2014 07: 04
    0
    Sounds good,
    but what if the southeast does not rise even by 10%?
    Someone is simply afraid, someone does not consider it necessary to take risks, etc. The reasons may be different.

    Could we bite our elbows if we allow Bandera to crush supporters of federalization and all of Ukraine will become fascist? Could this be even greater harm to Russia than the deployment of troops? How much will the likelihood of terrorist attacks in Russia by Russian-speaking people of Slavic appearance? How many of our soldiers can die if the USA and Europe arm Ukraine and give them the command to go to war against Russia?

    I’m not saying that letting the fascists defeat, we will betray our spiritually dear people who will die defending their homeland.

    Our dear brothers, God grant you the strength to survive and defeat with or without the help of the Russian army. I understand that you are fighting not only for yourself, but also for us living in Russia.

    I also want to say that if in Russia people were brainwashed with the same intensity as in Ukraine, it is not known how many of us would defend Russia if we were in a similar situation.
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  • His
    His 4 May 2014 08: 04
    -12%
    I am for the introduction of our army, we will fight with the enemy on its territory. Stop waiting until it gets stronger and will be able to cross our borders at 04.00 a.m. And then again the battle for Moscow, Kursk, Stalingrad, Volga and 27 million victims, mostly civilians.
    1. aristarh
      aristarh 4 May 2014 09: 22
      +40
      Now protests against the junta. This is Donetsk, Lugansk regions and that's it !!! Kharkovskaya was silent, Odessa occasionally goes to rallies. Nikolaev, Kherson and Zaporozhye are generally silent. From those areas where they somehow resist, only up to 10 thousand people go to rallies and processions, and this is in cities where the population is more than a million people. Even if 100-200 thousand people came out, this would also not be convincing, since this is 1/10 of the total population. This means that the rest of the population, 80%, are in one way or another opposed to Russia, or some of them want to sit out at home, and the Russians should come for them and put things in order? Vladimir Putin is right in not interfering in the situation yet, because we need an absolute majority and support, as in Crimea. The introduction of troops will only play into the hands of the VSA and their puppets from Europe. As soon as you enter, a partisan war against us will immediately begin. How can we sort out those who are for us from those who are against in the conditions of urban battles? This is not a war in an open field! In cities you won't shoot from tanks and you won't use aviation either. In addition, NATO will immediately have grounds to defend the Kiev regime. We will get a second Afghanistan. So there is no need to flog a fever. Further. Look for all the time of the struggle not a single armored personnel carrier or tank was hit. That the militias don't have a single anti-tank gun? Unfortunately, this situation cannot be solved by peaceful rallies. Here, either accept the fascist power or fight to the end, or simply run away from the country. Well, there is no other way out. And to live by the principle: "my house is on the edge .." will not work. Therefore, I understand those who are against the introduction of troops. And one moment. Look who is making history in Ukraine all the time - the Westerners. And the southeast always looked from the sidelines and thought that everything would resolve itself and resolve itself without them, but this does not happen. And the last Maidan passed without them. The only thing that needs to be done now is to help our brothers with weapons. Why they haven’t done this yet, I don’t understand. Eternal memory to all those who died at the hands of the Bandera-fascist bastards. May the earth rest in peace!
      1. woron333444
        woron333444 4 May 2014 10: 47
        +3
        they also spoke of guerrilla warfare before Crimea.
      2. His
        His 4 May 2014 14: 21
        +1
        Remember how Ukraine was cleared during the civil war, how it lived under German occupation. The people there are used to living under the strong. Now it is the Americans and the EU. Come in properly, all together will say that they waited a long time just could not say about it. An example of this Crimea, a group of military ukrov did not show any resistance. Ukraine is an artificially united territory created by Russians. Russians are supposed to control her. But the time for the introduction of troops has not yet come for international reasons. Galicia only needs to be left an independent state to give the EU.
        1. Alfer
          Alfer 5 May 2014 23: 15
          +1
          That's right. The nation is a prostitute. I have often encountered this. We are friends with America because it is rich and strong. And what to take from Russia, you are poor and weak, and you want to capture us. We are now friends with the Poles. They used to be our enemies were. And now friends. They are in the European Union. Ukrainians told me that. And everything, thoughts about the brothers somehow dimmed right away.
    2. Arhj
      Arhj 4 May 2014 09: 35
      +10
      Quote: Own
      I am for the introduction of our army, we will fight with the enemy on its territory. Stop waiting until it gets stronger and will be able to cross our borders at 04.00 a.m. And then again the battle for Moscow, Kursk, Stalingrad, Volga and 27 million victims, mostly civilians.

      Getting involved in a war is easy. It is much more difficult to get out of it. The author is right, today, for their future, even in the Southeast, there are struggling units that need to be helped. I also want to see pravoseks hanging in the trees, but today Ukraine is different and is not our friendly state. And I don’t understand why today, today, Russia should stand on the brink of survival, saving the people who do not want to save themselves.
      1. scientist
        scientist 4 May 2014 10: 17
        +3
        Quote: Arhj
        And I do not understand,

        Everything is very simple. Politicians who embarked on the path of crime against humanity, for money and ambition, despite hundreds of virtues among their own people, will never stop themselves. They simply will not be allowed by the forces that are behind them. And if they do not spare their own people, do you really think that they will relate to others better? Therefore, neither Yatsenyuk nor Nalevaychenko will stop at the border of Ukraine, just as Dudaev and Maskhadov did not stop at the borders of their Ichkeria. The US wants to make Ukraine a springboard for the destruction of Russia. I think in a month American propaganda will equate our countries with Iraq and Afghanistan.
      2. woron333444
        woron333444 4 May 2014 10: 49
        +8
        The miners crowd is still sitting in the mines. If they stood on a par with the militias, then they reached Kiev. And in Donetsk there were no law-breakers
      3. internatio
        internatio 4 May 2014 13: 34
        +1
        People, Russians, wake up! Today it is difficult to find a Crimean resident who would not strive to the South-East. At the same time, in the Kherson region, some villagers do not know almost anything about what is happening. This indicates the absence of an information leaflet and newspaper war. Give me the addresses of those who are still asleep. Let's wake up! But "DOT" is also not funded by anyone and in any way. Only from our salaries.
    3. Stavros
      Stavros 4 May 2014 10: 36
      +12
      The first impulses of the soul are always noble. But you need to calm down, although I understand this is difficult. You can’t rush into war when the main population is sorry for what the hell is happening on their land.
  • platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 4 May 2014 08: 20
    +9
    US analyst predicts collapse of NATO and EU over Ukraine
    Added by: IGAR | Date: 04.05.2014/1086/XNUMX | Source | [Views] XNUMX
    http://3mv.ru/_pu/259/16473495.jpgАмериканский политический аналитик и антивоенный активист Дэниэл Патрик Уэлш опубликовал статью на некоммерческом интернет-портале consortiumnews.com, в которой рассказал о влиянии США на события на Украине, а также предрек скорое крушение многих международных организаций в связи с украинским кризисом.

    The so-called anti-terrorist operation of the Ukrainian security forces, controlled by Kiev, he calls a war crime staged in Washington.

    "Without a doubt, this is a war crime. Now no one should have any doubts who is pulling the strings here. The illegitimate junta is simply doing what the owners of the International Monetary Fund ordered it to do, which, as you know, is on guard of Western capital. Washington, where the IMF headquarters is located, made it clear that the agreements reached with Ukraine, which are already a death sentence for many Ukrainians living on wages, could be revised if Kiev does not return control over the rebel against their power and rich resources east of the country, "writes Welch.

    According to him, a military operation in southeastern Ukraine, in which the junta uses the remnants of the army and shock battalions of neo-Nazis, will go down in world history as one of the most shameful and disgusting military campaigns.

    “At first, I thought that during the active military phase of the operation, the resistance (in southeastern Ukraine) would not be in the hands of its main trump card - the people. After all, now in wars soldiers are not forced to fight with unarmed people, and there can be no scenes, where civilians are trying to stop the tanks with their bare hands. But I was wrong, and I admit it. Struggle, like life itself, always teaches me lessons, teaches me something new every day, "the author of the article admits.

    Welch is convinced that now the aggression of the United States and its allies has spread from Afghanistan to Zaporozhye. At the same time, he accuses international organizations of explicitly aiding American interests.

    "The conflict in Ukraine will be a death march for the UN, IMF, EU, NATO and other Western organizations, which in unison are trying to prove to billions of people that 2 + 2 = 5. They themselves create problems, and at the same time have no idea how to solve them ", - he writes and quotes the famous Latin American writer and politician Eduardo Galeano:" It would be very strange if the United States, from where evil comes to us, suddenly gave rise to a means of healing for us. "
    that's who is responsible for the events in Ukraine.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 4 May 2014 08: 22
    +11
    Quote: MainBeam
    Who was brainwashed? Are we brothers or one Slavic people?

    Not so simple, one people, brothers. I hope you know that the coolest showdowns occur between relatives.
    Quote: MainBeam
    Enough special units or special operations. Chop off the head of a snake,

    That's for sure, but without the support of the population, moreover, unconditional, no special forces will help. "You can do anything with bayonets, but you can't sit on them," said one famous war genius.
    Therefore, the purpose of the special operation in the Donbass is to force peace negotiations and take into account the requirements of the Russians, i.e. federalization.
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 4 May 2014 08: 45
    +4
    An article-set of outright stupid cliches wandering around some articles and posts on this forum put a minus. 1. "Strongly against the soldiers of the Russian Federation to fight against Ukrainian fascism. All this is just waiting" - no one expects this. The Kiev junta needs to restore power over all of Ukraine, the West needs to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence. The West needs the Russian Federation in modern its state-integrated into the world system on colonial terms. The introduction of Russian troops is a step against the interests of the Nazis and the West, because in the first case, the Nazis will be threatened with destruction, and secondly, the West will be forced to impose additional sanctions, in fact, by establishing an iron curtain, which contradicts their interests in the colonial plunder of the Russian Federation. 2. Further: "Lack of the spirit of unity" - the situation in Crimea and SE is the same, people are the same, the only difference is that the Russian army was operating in Crimea. 3. "The policy of waiting for the majority" - and what is this reason for inaction, when blood is shed, when fascism is rampant in Ukraine? In general, this is a common situation, it was similar in Crimea, it is possible in other regions of the Russian Federation, people are the same everywhere, the majority just wants a normal life, it always has been. 4. “Why do the guys from the Russian Federation have to fight against fascism?" - Are you in your right mind at all? Yes, because we are one people, the trouble of the inhabitants of the SE is our trouble, fascism is a threat to all of us. 5. "I don't want a repetition of 44g", - what are you dear? Do you inspire us that the people of the SE will not support the army of the Russian Federation? Why such confidence, infa case is not from the Ukronazi media? and how would the Russian armored personnel carrier be met? 6. "Call to send troops one thing, get into the armored personnel carrier yourself" - that's where the article had to start and end with this, and not dilute the wretched philosophy. I agree with the author of the article - help must be provided: volunteers, weapons, ammunition
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 4 May 2014 08: 59
      +11
      I subscribe to every word krpmlws! But to look calmly at what is happening in Ukraine is no strength! I have a vacation in 2 weeks, I have a desire to spend it in Ukraine! But bl ... for WHOM? they are burned alive, and yeti, until ..... they would picket police, they say, protect us !!!!
      1. His
        His 7 May 2014 22: 00
        0
        Here we go marches Natsik protests in the swamp remember. Which of the civilian population went against them. Only the police structures had their nightmares. And in Ukraine, the police are with them. So people are silent they can do nothing. Hitler also came to power, and in enlightened Europe
    2. krpmlws
      krpmlws 4 May 2014 09: 05
      +13
      Sorry, part of the text of my post has been deleted. With one I agree, it is necessary to provide assistance: volunteers, weapons, ammunition, humanitarian aid. I am not a supporter of the obligatory entry of troops into the SE, the situation is difficult, Moscow knows best whether or not to introduce troops. The author’s arguments proving the groundlessness of the introduction of troops of the Russian Federation into Ukraine is fragile .
      1. elmi
        elmi 4 May 2014 11: 35
        +8
        krpmlws
        I agree on all points +++
        It is necessary to support our brothers in the southeast, the Russian world must respond until the government calves. You look at the sanctions announced by our diplomats, they are completely toothless. Civil society in Russia and each person individually must act harder. It’s necessary to hit the Americans with a targeted wallet. We must abandon fake, unsecured green candy wrappers, comparable in price to toilet paper. Buy euro, gold bullion and coins, shares of neutral European companies. Our common actions must cause unacceptable tangible damage comparable to a massive strike by peaceful cruise missiles at our enemy’s targets. As we see, immediately after the reunification of Crimea with Russia, the American multinational payment systems Visa and MasterCard blocked operations on the cards of several Russian banks.
        So let's answer with a massive withdrawal of funds if someone else has any investments in Western banks. Ideally, it is necessary to take away licenses from Western banks in Russia, as a sovereign financial system not controlled by the West should operate in the country. It is enough to look at the number of Russian banks operating in the USA and compare the volumes of American banks in the Russian Federation. Our answer to Chamberlain should be overwhelming. Our motto should be - "Do you love your homeland, give up everything American!"
        http://takie.org/news/zuby_ragulskogo_drakona/2014-05-03-10243
    3. Chuykov
      Chuykov 4 May 2014 09: 14
      +4
      Yes, from there it is that even in the news, a resident of the besieged Kramatorsk on the phone describes the situation and speaks of the events as an eyewitness, and not as a participant, WHERE IS THERE in the City, THEY (that is, about Russian activists) are at war with the UKRAINIAN ARMY !!! And what about Odessa?
    4. domokl
      domokl 4 May 2014 09: 36
      +5
      Sorry Mikhail, but you have written, it seems to me, also not very well-thought-out arguments .. On the 1 point. Do you really not see that we are being persistently pushed for precisely this option? Both the junta and its owners understand that the elections in Ukraine are failed and you need to blame this failure for something ... Yes, and there are a lot of corpses somehow ... It’s becoming harder to hide. And when you send troops, you can write off everyone just to fight the invaders. The same thing about 2 point. You where you saw the desire people to join the Russian Federation even now? It was, in the beginning, about the federation, but now it’s just about creating of my own state. And what did Putin say after the annexation of Crimea? I didn’t finish the last sentence until the results of the referendum were finally clear ... 3 point, read the answer to the first .. According to 4 point. Do you really think that we are one people ? And the right-wingers, and Sashko Bily, and those who burned the inhabitants of Odessa? I already wrote to one, do not distort the concepts of one people and fraternal people ... And according to 5 point ... Where did you get that the people of the southeast support the army of the Russian Federation ? From what sources? In addition to your opinion, no one else has published such ov.Ne mention the request to send troops ... And 6 point ... Those who wanted to help the citizens of Ukraine to get rid of the junta now long on its own initiative at checkpoints block ...
      So minus you.
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 4 May 2014 10: 35
        +5
        domoki, it’s hard to talk to you, but I’ll try. 1) Where do you see these notorious tremors? The Kiev junta does what any other junta would do in its place-force suppression of dissent. It has no direct relation to the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation is provoked only indirectly, the situation in Ukraine is an internal matter of the sovereign State. Evidence: 1. As soon as the exercises of the Russian troops near the border of Ukraine began, the Kiev junta stopped the punitive action. 2. The entry of Russian troops into the territory of Crimea was a surprise to the Amers, therefore, the support by the Amers of the Kiev Natsiks, their financing, does not have the goal of provoking the Russian Federation by active actions. 2) Do you have doubts that the Russian people living in the SE against the Kiev junta, for preserving Russian history, Russian culture, the Russian language, for reuniting with the Russian Federation? I don’t know what you can talk about then ... I think that your the position-betrayal of compatriots living in the southeast. In Crimea, everything was the same as in the southeast: the same cut-off meetings, statements by the people's authorities that the question of federalization of Crimea as part of Ukraine would be raised in a referendum. In Crimea, the active actions of the Russian army . 3) Yes, I am convinced that we are one people. In this, you clearly show your confusion, inability to intuitively feel, you do not have national maturity. And Sasha Bily and right-wingers, the family is not without a freak, we are all one way or another one , not a fraternal people, but one, one, with a common history and one future. 4) You and I apparently live on different planets: the ukronatsiks went to SE to not suppress the separatists, but to collect flowers.
        1. domokl
          domokl 4 May 2014 11: 40
          +9
          Quote: krpmlws
          The Kiev junta is doing what any other junta would do in its place — the power suppression of dissent.

          Do you think that force pressure is being done in the southeast? Believe the senior officer, you can put up resistance within one to two days. And the junta plays mice, took them, gave them away. They need everything to go on like this. about pressure, turn on any Ukrainian or western channel and see how the events there are highlighted ... We have already been fighting, according to their reports, since February. Using all that is possible. And the GRU is probably already in full force in Ukraine.
          And about the introduction of troops into the Crimea, I repeat, after a popular referendum ...
          About my position ... Do you think this is a betrayal? Well, well ... Compatriots are people living with me in the same Fatherland. Ukraine is not my Fatherland. And they gave an assessment of my national maturity for the first time in 1982, and then they gave it several times. And then, together with the medal for military merit.
          It is as a military man that I am responsible for my words. You are pushing Russia to war with Ukraine, and therefore, with NATO under the auspices of the UN. It is clear that you hope to sit behind the clave of a computer. Only this will not work. The war will be for everyone.
          You call law-bearers and other maydauns freaks of the Ukrainian family. Just why are there more of these freaks than normal? Why is there more than 2500 in the more than one millionth Kharkov, Lugansk and all Donbass (according to the commander of the 0 fighters? The rest do you think? No, dear. You are irresponsibly throwing words about the introduction of troops, about the war, about human life. You just didn’t see how the intestines independently crawl out of the belly torn by the shrapnel .. And God forbid you not to see this ... And I still smell better than a dog ...
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 4 May 2014 13: 01
            0
            it’s a pity that you can put ONLY one plus hi
          2. krpmlws
            krpmlws 4 May 2014 13: 27
            +3
            In no way did I question your military merits, my assessments were specifically related to your statements. 1) you can suppress resistance in a few days if you have a normal army and special forces with a normal command, which are opposed by the enemy or criminals. There is nothing like that in Ukraine, therefore punitive the action inevitably stalls. The Kiev junta needs complete control over the SE, they are doing everything possible, based on their perverse perceptions, to achieve their goal. The Americans are interested in the SE not to be reunited with the Russian Federation - that is their goal, and not to provoke the Russian Federation into the introduction of troops. Why do amers need the introduction of Russian troops? To impose sanctions on us, fence off the iron curtain, expel us from international organizations such as the WTO? It's ridiculous! "We are already at war", - you see, they do not even wait for input, so they are convinced our special forces are there. 2) Do you not feel Ukraine and Belarus as part of your fatherland? Well, you have already given your assessment of this position above. 3) "You are pushing ...", - of course, I am not pushing anyone anywhere, I spoke out only for the indispensable assistance The problem of bringing in troops is quite difficult for me, so in this matter I rely on the decision of Moscow. 4) “There will be war for everyone,” but what about the West’s statement about its unwillingness to start World War III because of Ukraine? 5) As for me personally, I am liable for military service, I will be called upon to join the ranks without any snot and liberoid wringing of hands. You probably drank in due time, you are tired, you do not need to infect others with decadent moods. 6) "there are more freaks than normal" - because political strategists in Ukaine work well, they adjust their information processing to the prejudices of the people. You know very well that the Ukrainians under the USSR believed that they would heal remarkably well without the rest of the USSR, that the Russians were robbing them Separated and that: corruption, theft, organized crime, colonial dependence on the West. To justify all this, to distract the people and a nationalist card was played. Look who is now organizing Nazi marches, youth pogroms, lost generation of Ukraine. And what you want is inevitable. , children from cold weather, they inculcate hatred of Russia at school. But this applies more and more to the Ukrainians, but what about the Russians? Russians said their word, but many need to support their families, their children, they have no opportunity to quit their jobs, but they are all soul with Russia. That is why material assistance from the Russian Federation is needed so that the men can go to the barricades, and not to work, knowing that their families are provided for, the children will not be without support in case of loss of work ability.
            1. krpmlws
              krpmlws 4 May 2014 13: 50
              +2
              In general, there is no sense in a dispute about the amount of support for the Russian Federation in the south east. In Ukraine, a fascist clique hostile to the Russian world, Russian culture, and Russian people illegally seized power, so we must do everything possible to weaken this junta, to support progressive forces no matter how influential they are .If we do nothing, then, as a result of our connivance (betrayal), the souls of Ukrainians and Russians in Ukraine will be ruined. We will lose our compatriots, including those who expect help from us, hope for us. The Russian world will finally split. Ukraine will follow the path of European integration, joining NATO, which means sooner or later NATO bases will appear there, including missile defense systems, which would jeopardize the security and sovereignty of the Russian Federation.
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 4 May 2014 12: 59
          +3
          Today he called the women in labor in Lysychansk (Lugansk region) so they’ll calmly wait for the junta’s fighter to come, and they don’t need us! And you want me to go there?
          1. starley
            starley 4 May 2014 22: 23
            +1
            To go - in what quality?
            How are the foxes waiting? or - how not to wait?
            Women are always sure that everything except her husband will resolve itself. And they are always mistaken.
    5. ksenofont7
      ksenofont7 4 May 2014 10: 36
      +2
      damn it, I put a plus and a minus pops up, what kind of crap ... I apologize hi
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 4 May 2014 10: 40
        +3
        Quote: ksenofont7
        damn it, I put a plus and a minus pops up, what kind of crap ... I apologize hi

        Just someone put two minuses, therefore, putting a plus, you see one minus
    6. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 4 May 2014 15: 30
      0
      An experienced person can be seen right away. Plus, the Nazi threw a regular army with armored vehicles against speeches of the lightly armed militia of the junta, special units (own and hired) of all kinds, led by foreign professionals, including the CIA. And the fascist army can be defeated (just like in the Second World War) a stronger army, such as Russia. There are probably no organizations (including veteran ones) that would not have called on the GDP to save Russians to Yu.V. Kadyrov confirmed their readiness to save people from fascism in Ukraine. You can’t hear only Russian oligarchs, those interests that are unlikely to differ from those of the Ukrainian oligarchs. It turns out that we continue to lend to the fascist junta for the third month through gas, not counting the foreign currency loans previously issued. We will take the course of the GDP, if any.
      1. starley
        starley 4 May 2014 22: 26
        0
        there, in addition to the 20 junta, there are also 000 undergone citizens living - distant, but our relatives
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  • armageddon
    armageddon 4 May 2014 08: 49
    +6
    how much Bender would like to create an image of the enemy !!! But I’m sure you don’t have to rush !!! And Putin will decide at the expense of the troops correctly !!! He really has ALL the information !!!
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  • Horn
    Horn 4 May 2014 09: 57
    +6
    No. Categorically. The Ukrainians suffered, begged God for this power. A few Ukrainians identify themselves with Russia. The bulk is protoplasm. There are people in Ukraine, these are Rusyns. It can be called the Hutsul people. "Zapadentsy" are also a people. These peoples have a common faith, ideology and heroes. Symbols. The main population of Ukraine does not have this. As, however, and the population of Russia. It's just "population". Biomass. Protoplasm. Herd. A source of meat and wool for the people. And only the threat of loss of females and cubs can forge people from biomass. Through pain, blood and suffering, through overwhelming horror and the realization that you are going to the slaughterhouse of a meat-packing plant, and the one who leads you is simply a provocateur, you can DESERVE the right to be called a people! Units standing at checkpoints, but not firing at "children", do not make you a people! Both the Russian and Ukrainian populations must overcome their nightmares on their own. And become a people. Or not. Remain a herd of cattle.
  • Horde
    Horde 4 May 2014 10: 13
    +2
    It turns out that they are sitting at home and waiting for the Russian army to come to rescue them. It doesn't sound very pretty, but it does.


    your army must fight against the army; this is a PROVOCATION, just what happened in Odessa, when they killed and burned the unarmed, it happened in Konstantinovka where an unarmed population was shot from armored personnel carriers ...
    1. kuksha
      kuksha 4 May 2014 11: 40
      +2
      where did you see the army in sweeps?
      several armored personnel carriers and dozens of law enforcement officers who shoot in the afternoon and evening go under
      hiding the Ukrainian army so that they would not be reached at night.
      inhabitants of Odessa wanted to agree peacefully and received 5 thousand. banderlog against 500.
      cruelty and cowardice are inseparable.
      and to fight self-defense "dumb fools".
      MI-24 obviously failed from slingshots.
      1. Horde
        Horde 4 May 2014 12: 39
        0
        Quote: kuksha
        where did you see the army in sweeps?


        why are you lying? and who do you think is storming SLAVYANSK, KRAMOTORSK, these are PROFESSIONAL Militants capable of spreading civilians and waging an armed struggle against armed people, in addition, FULLY mercenaries of Poles, Germans, Americans ...
      2. starley
        starley 4 May 2014 22: 29
        0
        all kinds of slingshots are in service - that’s why a helicopter can suffer on occasion.
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    2. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2014 13: 36
      +9
      Quote: Horde
      this is exactly what happened in Odessa, when they killed and burned the unarmed,

      five thousand scumbags put the whole city with cancer. 300 people in total resisted. where the rest were ????? they watched it live on TV. why didn't you come to the rescue ??? and "my hut on the edge" of the weapon, say no? in such a big city there are not a couple thousand hunters? no one has gasoline? here's your answer. we will introduce the army and we will fight ourselves, and they will watch on TV as a show. or shoot in the back. why now only relatives are standing at the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? where are the thousands? why not storm the building and release the innocent? for this the Russian army is boring? Until the asses off the couches, no help will help
  • Vol50
    Vol50 4 May 2014 10: 35
    +7
    The entry of Russian troops into Ukraine is a trap for Russia. The USA is just waiting, and their puppets are doing everything to develop this particular scenario in order to accuse Russia of aggression. Yes, we must help with all available means, but without sending troops. The author is right, we are too they paid dearly with the lives of our soldiers, who have mothers, wives, children, to throw them in the furnace of war. And who wants to help, and not to hit the clave, go and help. God help you!
    1. Horde
      Horde 4 May 2014 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: Vol50
      The entry of Russian troops into Ukraine is a trap for Russia. The US is just waiting, and their puppets are doing everything to develop this particular scenario in order to accuse Russia of aggression.


      well put on the states, what the hell is that?
    2. starley
      starley 4 May 2014 22: 33
      0
      the army is not a barracks or a parade ground.
      army can be introduced in a variety of ways.
      for the case of Ukraine, the Russian army must first find itself on its western border - sending bayonets in two directions
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  • Che burashka
    Che burashka 4 May 2014 10: 46
    +10
    Quote: MainBeam
    Helping the brothers in the fight is a holy thing. But it is precisely to help. Automatons, cartridges, armor plates ... But not the lives of our sons.

    Who was brainwashed? Are we brothers or one Slavic people?

    This position is not much different from "My hut on the edge":
    Just to live. Better yet, live well

    There are professional soldiers. Trained, trained and armed. They do not die in batches. And there is no need to bring in regular troops. Enough special units or special operations. Chop off the head of the snake, and restore order in Ukraine. And then the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor's Office will deal with "fascism".

    Do not talk nonsense my friend. A simple example based on logic and mathematics: a terrible thing happened in Odessa - more than 40 people were burned alive. Horrible? Yes! And what does the people of Odessa say to this? But nothing - is silent. In Odessa, 1 million people, we throw 50% of them to children, the elderly, the disabled, the sick, etc. There remain 500000 capable adults in full dawn. And where are they? Of this half a million, at least 200000 men (and women should not be discounted, WWII has convincingly proved this). If they took to the streets of the city, then these ultrashops and Natsik would put on their pants even at the entrance to the city. This kind of crap is good at fighting only against those who are obviously weaker. What do we see? A couple of hundred protesters at the prosecutor's office? Is that all? People burned for the freedom of their fellow citizens, and they pretended that everything is fine, it happens ....
    And such a situation throughout the southeast - a total of several thousand militias for approximately 15 million people in these regions. And for the sake of this, do you propose to involve a country with a population of 150 million and the largest nuclear weapons potential in the 3rd world? But doesn’t it seem to you, dear, that these 150 million also want to live, that they also have a right to the future? And the Russian army swore allegiance to the people of RUSSIA and is absolutely not obliged to die for the independence of the DPR-LPR and other NR, 99% of the population of which is in a vegetable-like state and sits in basements.
    And for a special kind of patriots who scream at every corner - we will now introduce an army, launch rockets, etc. etc., I propose to tear off the fifth fulcrum from a comfortable office chair and PERSONALLY go to support SE Ukraine. Well, or send there your sons, daughters, wives, husbands, etc. Or does the call to die personally not apply to you? Let others die, become crippled, and we will discuss them here, in warmth and comfort. Posh logic.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 4 May 2014 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: Che Burashka
      If they took to the streets of the city

      The issue of coordination of actions. It is very difficult for an unorganized people to reflect the coordinated actions of small groups. If the anti-Maidan members of the peaceful rally had a security group, then it would be possible to talk about the shooting of "onizhedey" from civilian weapons. And if no one expects an armed attack during a peaceful demonstration, then tragedy at the hands of provocateurs is possible. This shit can happen in any city. No matter what active position I personally take, but without coordination of actions I ended up either in victims or "keyboard patriots".

      Quote: Che Burashka
      And the army of the Russian Federation

      It is not my point of view to introduce regular army units into the territory of a neighboring state. Do not distort. Earlier in his comments he called for action Ukrainian_army.

      I also don’t understand why the little green men will not nullify the Maidan elite, which is entirely composed of American agents (according to some sources). Two questions: "why?" and "who benefits from it?"

      Quote: Che Burashka
      Let others die, become crippled, and we will discuss them here, in warmth and comfort. Posh logic.

      Have you already rushed to Ukraine?
      1. Che burashka
        Che burashka 4 May 2014 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: MainBeam
        Quote: Che Burashka
        If they took to the streets of the city

        The issue of coordination.

        This is a question of the personal position of every citizen of the country. At the moment, most of the population in the southeast prefers to wait for someone to burn whom. It is always easier to wait for a certain liberator-winner who will do everything for you than personally go under the bullets.

        Quote: MainBeam
        Quote: Che Burashka
        And the army of the Russian Federation

        It is not my point of view to introduce regular army units into the territory of a neighboring state. Do not distort. Earlier in his comments he called for action Ukrainian_army.

        Great, and no need to enter. I'm all for it! We must help with weapons, medicines, food, camouflage. The benefit of both weapons / ammunition and uniforms has been in abundance since Soviet times. So give the militias, why good disappear.


        Quote: MainBeam
        Quote: Che Burashka
        Let others die, become crippled, and we will discuss them here, in warmth and comfort. Posh logic.

        Have you already rushed to Ukraine?

        No, I didn’t rush and I’m not even going to. And I do not advise others. I am always ready to help others, if I see that a person is trying, but does not work out for him for one reason or another. But I do not want and will not do their work for others. And the question of SE of Ukraine is, first and foremost, the choice of the inhabitants of this region. If they are satisfied with how the Natsik deal with them, then I can only sympathize, but I will not die for them. Maybe it will come to them that we ourselves are responsible for our future? But how many people must die for this before it becomes impossible to endure?
        But I have nothing against volunteers - those who have a desire, let them go. This, again, is a personal choice and personal responsibility of everyone.
  • Dimented
    Dimented 4 May 2014 11: 07
    +2
    Fascism is a social infection, and therefore only the people can defeat it, not the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which must fight crime and another army. And we must help, and not do for someone else. A person who will simply sit out the turmoil, hoping for help, but not doing anything himself, in the end will still remain dissatisfied, and then will be indignant about the "Russian accupation."
    Entirely and completely share the opinion of the author! The article - plus, one could - would put 10 pluses.
    1. Che burashka
      Che burashka 4 May 2014 11: 40
      0
      Quote: DIMented

      Entirely and completely share the opinion of the author! The article - plus, one could - would put 10 pluses.

      I agree, sorry, mistakenly clicked the minus .... Admins, correct + please.
  • jktu66
    jktu66 4 May 2014 11: 20
    +4
    The events in Odessa showed us the true face of Ukrainian fascism. Grin. I think that it would be possible to open the supply of the army of the southeast from the available reserves in the Crimea. At
    Ukrainians, get up! Otherwise, they will kill you on a large scale! The beast tasted blood! Donetsk, declared independence, occupy checkpoints on the border with Russia. Our humanitarian aid is coming to you. Honest militiamen- help Russian volunteers get their Ukrainian passports so that d.v.o.l.o.t.a could not open their mouths about Russian invaders. Send technically competent guys to the courses of control of armored vehicles, PTO, MANPADS, sapper business! No one will fulfill your task of destroying fascism in your country for you. You have only one alternative to this - disaster !!!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 4 May 2014 11: 30
    +8
    Quote: MainBeam
    Are we brothers or one Slavic people?

    Judge for yourself.
    1. Putin wants to capture and make everyone slaves, all the stupidities and filth in the country are the machinations of Kremlin agents!
    2. Because of Russia, the Second (!) World War will begin (Svetlana 32 years (!) In Russia, everyone wants to enlist as a volunteer and fight in Ukraine, and whoever does not dream, the Chechens and various narrow-eyed ones drive them by force.
    3. It is better to live under the Americans than under the Russians, because Ukrainians are free people (!!).
    4. Russian TV is lying all. Youtube - production and forgery of the Putin regime.
    5. All pro-Russian rallies - a group of the same actors (10-50 people) who are transported by plane from place to place, and if they shoot their creatures, everything will work out. East - stupid people, downs and slaves.
    6. The Russian military sleeps and sees how the Ukrainian military (!) Is beaten and force everyone to go to rallies at gunpoint.
    7. Putin (!!) raises gas prices in Ukraine, in the Crimea everyone cries and wants to go back!
    8. The new government - the people, the oligarchs - temporarily.
    9. If it were not for Russia, Ukraine would already be Switzerland.
    10. When asked why Yanukovych lacked 15 billion dollars, the new government 35, and now 75, several people answered that Yanyk stole so much in Russia.
    11. The European Union will now fix life and take to itself. Only Russia, which has bought all and does not let go of Ukraine because it wants to make them slaves, is hindering.
    12. I got the answer several times: "I don't want to talk to you anymore, because I hate Russia."
    13. Russian tryndets, because Ukraine will no longer contain Russia (buy gas).
  • onizhe
    onizhe 4 May 2014 12: 10
    +1
    The population of western Ukraine alone is several million, plus central Ukraine, where the majority are anti-Russian. And in the southeast, 50 to 50. For all this der-mo special forces may not be enough.
  • akimkatungus
    akimkatungus 4 May 2014 12: 11
    +7
    Pros - THIS is also RUSSIAN and they have families. I looked at Odessa, where the young .... poured cocktails and for their sake and other scum that is hiding behind masks, our guys should give their lives. I have been living in the Baltic for more than forty years, and I don’t know all this hatred of Russians. In 91g I went to sea from one country, and in 92g I returned to another, So with whom I talked to 91g in Russian in 92g they don’t they understood nowhere: the cashier’s store, etc. ... Now they understand, because the roasted rooster pecked at J .. U. The city was 120 thousand, 38 city-forming enterprises. Now there is nothing. Firms, offices. Unemployment, the population of 80 thousand. Young people in Europe, older too. Let UKRAINE itself deal with its problems.
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 4 May 2014 12: 24
    +5
    Respected! Interestingly, where are you? Even in our media they show that the majority (!!!!) of Donbass residents suffer from indifference, and the author of the article is right, I fully support him! And one more thing: I’m wondering why the weapons that are in the hands of the militia don’t shoot? If there really are OUR (I mean storerooms) then at least it's strange! After all, both grenade launchers and Mukhu were shown on TV? You know, but at least I got the impression that literally ALL participants in the action in or in Ukraine are eager to involve Russia in this ... mo! And the VVP is right that it does not give the command to send troops into the area "fighting"! action. Judging by media reports, there is some interesting picture: for some reason the shooting is burning through the gates, and in Odessa there is an impression that a goat-provocateur has worked, well, they knew what to expect from the Banderlog, and PEACELY protest .. Well, there are simply no words !!!
  • Validator
    Validator 4 May 2014 12: 39
    +20
    I fully support Medinsky
    1. yushch
      yushch 4 May 2014 13: 52
      +2
      Not in the eyebrow but in the eye, handsome Medina.
      1. Combitor
        Combitor 4 May 2014 13: 59
        +2
        Quote: yushch
        Not in the eyebrow but in the eye

        Makarevich now, probably three hundred times regretted that he had not calculated the situation and "substituted himself".
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        2. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 4 May 2014 14: 26
          +2
          Quote: Kombitor
          Quote: yushch
          Not in the eyebrow but in the eye

          Makarevich now, probably three hundred times regretted that he had not calculated the situation and "substituted himself".

          Yes, he does not care, and senility ... With respect, I express my humble opinion.
        3. prishelec
          prishelec 4 May 2014 16: 12
          0
          Makarevich is pidrevich, well, I’m so softly planting!
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  • GRANATE-19
    GRANATE-19 4 May 2014 14: 19
    +4
    Quote: MainBeam
    There are professional soldiers. Trained, trained and armed. They do not die in batches. And there is no need to bring in regular troops. Enough special units or special operations. Chop off the head of the snake, and restore order in Ukraine. And then the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor's Office will deal with "fascism".

    Bro, and you yourself, personally fought !? I am a veteran of hostilities and I believe that getting involved in a civil war in a neighboring state, when your enemies are expecting this from you (and NASRATO is our ENEMY), in order to hang all the dogs on you - RIDING MADNESS! And there is no need to blame everyone for “my house is on the edge” (look at yourself), since I’m ready to go even now (even on foot, since I live nearby and I served in the army twice), I’ll just write an application for payment and sign a contract! But this must be a well-weighed, verified step, otherwise the "trap" in their pro @ dazh-paid media will mix with dirt (and their own) and make us guilty of everything before the whole WORLD! We are to blame for everything, even though we did nothing, can you imagine what will happen if RUSSIA introduces troops to Ukraine !? I know that VV PUTIN is a very clever person and will make a wise and extraordinary decision, because he is a master of "EATING A FISH AND WON'T FEEL BONE" AND WITH THIS BONE ENEMIES OF RUSSIA WILL PRESS !!! Respectfully, I express my humble opinion.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 4 May 2014 15: 23
      +2
      Quote: GRANATE-19

      Quote: MainBeam

      There are professional military men. Trained, trained and armed. They do not die in batches. Yes and no need to send regular troops. Enough special units or special operations. Chop off a snake's head, and put things in order in Ukraine. And then the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor's Office will deal with "fascism".


      I believe that to get into a civil war in a neighboring state ... - TOP MADNESS!

      We are talking about different things. I repeat for you "and no need to bring in regular troops". In my opinion, if Yulia were closed in a hospital, Nalyvaichenko was in the basements of the GRU of the Russian Federation, and Yaytsenyuk was hung up for eggs, then Maidan-2014 would end by March 8. And no one would have to fight.

      Quote: robinson
      I don’t know how anyone, but I was completely justified that we are not brothers.

      Quote: Sour
      Not true, Ukrainian nationalism also flourished in the USSR. Yes, at the household level. But once he had to go to a different level. I well remember the Ukrainians of Soviet times. 99,99% of them were infected with nationalism, to one degree or another. In the last 20 years, this has only been legalized.

      There were no chances to keep Ukraine. She is too infected with fascism, and for a long time.


      Whether Ukrainians are for us or not, whether they support or not is not important. We got hemorrhoids at our borders.
      And in no way can we tear ourselves away from it. Although by force they could extinguish the conflict at the very beginning.
      People are already dying in dozens, but only a few people could.

      1. starley
        starley 4 May 2014 22: 41
        0
        these figures, knowing neither the essence nor the business, were embedded in history not by their own will, but like pawns taken from a box. Their life and their death mean nothing to events - only a certain name in the text.
        Those few whom you mean have different names and live a little to the west of these figures.
        1. Mainbeam
          Mainbeam 5 May 2014 06: 54
          0
          If you remove the pawns from the board, then soon there will be nothing to play with.
          Provasekov under the new banner set. Will they go?
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      domokl 4 May 2014 16: 25
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    3. robinson
      robinson 4 May 2014 16: 45
      +1
      Quote: GRANATE-19
      I am a war veteran and I think that to get into a civil war in a neighboring state when your enemies are waiting for it from you (and NASRO is our ENEMY) to hang all the dogs on you - TOP OF CRAZY!

      Uh-huh. Like Afghanistan. Here the fuck he needed to "conquer" him "occupy". They asked for the same, a fact. They wanted to help ... Nafig, nafig.
  • Comrade Bender
    Comrade Bender 4 May 2014 14: 27
    +5
    My fellow soldier is 50 years old, he lives in the White Church, this is not far from Kiev. Until recently, we called back, but it became harder and harder for me to communicate with him. I constantly heard from him that our media constantly lie to us about Ukraine, and their media truthfully cover the events. All my attempts to convince him otherwise, or at least on the basis of an analysis of various sources to draw up a whiter or less objective opinion, ran into a wall of rejection. What can we expect from young people who did not know the real history of the USSR and just history?
  • robinson
    robinson 4 May 2014 14: 38
    +5
    Quote: MainBeam
    Are we brothers or one Slavic people?

    I don’t know how anyone, but I was completely justified that we are not brothers. Tired of being constantly spit in an outstretched hand.
    Here in Crimea everything was clear, concrete and clear. People said: we are Russians, here is Russian land and that's it. Everything was solved quickly without dust and noise. And then there are incomprehensible protests of several thousand people in million-strong cities, some kind of talk about "federalism" and in general, little is clear.
    Someone asks to introduce Russian troops, but for what? What would his countrymen call us invaders? Do we need this? There is an example of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, they themselves fought off those with whom they did not want to live, and when needed Russia harnessed itself without question. And we do not give a shit about all kinds of extraneous opinions. Let people first decide for themselves what they want. Moreover, not in words but in practice.
    Examples of mass. ALL The "separatists" in the former USSR in military terms achieved what they wanted (Karabakh, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, Chechnya). Solve your questions yourself, we will not allow NATO to visit you, we will help you with humanitarian assistance, and we will accept those who decide to come. Something like this.

    PS: I don't remember the number, but when Putin asked the Federation Council for permission to enter troops, it was a day off, I found a military man, outweighed the awards to a freshly purchased uniform, and I'm waiting for a summons if anything. And I consider all sorts of "volunteer" initiatives extremely harmful.
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 4 May 2014 14: 47
      +2
      There were 16000 of our troops in Crimea, if there were at least half in Donetsk and Lugansk, there would be no right-wingers
      1. robinson
        robinson 4 May 2014 15: 15
        +5
        Quote: woron333444
        There were 16000 of our troops in Crimea, if there were at least half in Donetsk and Lugansk, there would be no right-wingers

        In Crimea, our troops have been present for the last 300 years, if that. And over the past 23 years, Russian people have spread rot there more than once and in different ways. But as soon as they decided everything for themselves, the troops intervened. It’s not long to get to Donetsk and Lugansk, what to do there is different. Listen to insults?
  • Spnsr
    Spnsr 4 May 2014 18: 04
    +3
    I do not believe that Lukin traveled to Slavyansk only in order to free the spies from the Observer. Of course, they had to be freed, God forbid that there could have been so much crap from the “world community”. but for some reason it seems to me that he did everything for which he went there!
    1. elmi
      elmi 4 May 2014 22: 14
      +3
      Quote: SpnSr
      I do not believe that Lukin traveled to Slavyansk only in order to free the spies from the Observer. Of course, they had to be freed, God forbid that there could have been so much crap from the “world community”. but for some reason it seems to me that he did everything for which he went there!

      I am outraged why once again bowed to the west, freeing spies by hiding behind members of the OSCE? The West frees our citizens a lot for our demands? Bout, Yaroshenko, etc., as well as the leaders of the southeast. Why make "beautiful gestures" the West sees only our weakness in this. It is necessary to change equally.
  • Just
    Just 4 May 2014 18: 42
    0
    Quote: MainBeam
    Helping the brothers in the fight is a holy thing. But it is precisely to help. Automatons, cartridges, armor plates ... But not the lives of our sons.

    Who was brainwashed? Are we brothers or one Slavic people?

    This position is not much different from "My hut on the edge":
    Just to live. Better yet, live well

    There are professional soldiers. Trained, trained and armed. They do not die in batches. And there is no need to bring in regular troops. Enough special units or special operations. Chop off the head of the snake, and restore order in Ukraine. And then the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor's Office will deal with "fascism".


    Bandera trash is not our kin. It is for the destruction of this scum and the liberation of normal Ukrainians from the Bandera dictatorship that we need to provide assistance with weapons, ammunition, etc.

    Once again for the dumb - the majority of the population in the southeast of Urkaina supports the junta. This is evidenced by a small number of people who want to fight against Kiev impostors. Why send Russian special forces to where people consider him their enemy?
    Let the Ukrainians first prove that they want our help, that they deserve to send our guys to death, and then we’ll think about it.
    In the meantime, they deserve only one thing - to be slaves to the law-abiding.
  • nstarinsky
    nstarinsky 4 May 2014 19: 08
    0
    Clear pepper, there is a professional military. But it is to them that you propose to go under the bullets on the land of another state. Responsibility for mediocre governments rests with the people who allowed their election. This has been the case for many years. And it was Ukrainian citizens who allowed this to happen. Even if it was as a result of a latent sensation of a mighty Russian neighbor. It didn’t work ...
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 5 May 2014 07: 13
      0
      Quote: nstarinsky
      You propose to go under the bullets in the land of another state. Responsibility for mediocre governments lies with the people,

      Yes, yes, your position is clear. You argue so, as if the Russian Federation had nothing to do with it. We got such a crap on the border. Maidan has been going on for about six months, and when to stop it is not clear. They will still sow seeds, then another poor and hungry people will appear on the border of the Russian Federation, put on the needle of IMF loans.

      No matter how cynical it may sound, the Russian Federation has lost part of the sales market. And the problems of the military-industrial complex due to the elimination of Ukrainian subcontractors. And the Russian Federation has lost another "brotherly" people from its sphere of influence.

      So to argue about the responsibility of the Ukrainian people to Ukrainian fascism, in my opinion, this is a superficial point of view. Here, due to the responsibility of the Ukrainian people, the Russian Federation has a lot of problems that the Russian Federation is obliged to solve independently in one way or another.

      And the longer we drag on the solution to this problem, the worse the consequences.
      Sit and push the blame on the Ukrainian people. It will be easier for you from this.
  • Rodover
    Rodover 4 May 2014 19: 57
    0
    You, MainBeam, the next couch or computer warrior. Why should our guys, even professionals, perish for a foreign state? Why do men in Odessa sit out in huts like rats in holes? Waiting for the Russian soldiers to pay with their lives for their freedom? Let them conquer it themselves! Here on the site there are many people like you who require the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine. But first you need to think with your drunk and smoked brains how it will affect us before you carry such nonsense. Ukraine is a sovereign state, so the entry of Russian troops will be regarded as aggression. Do you turn on your brain at least a little, if you have one.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 5 May 2014 07: 11
      0
      Quote: Rodnover
      Why should our guys, even professionals, perish for a foreign state?

      Yes, yes, your position is clear. You argue so, as if the Russian Federation had nothing to do with it. We got such a crap on the border. Maidan has been going on for about six months, and when to stop it is not clear. They will still sow seeds, then another poor and hungry people will appear on the border of the Russian Federation, put on the needle of IMF loans.

      No matter how cynical it may sound, the Russian Federation has lost part of the sales market. And the problems of the military-industrial complex due to the elimination of Ukrainian subcontractors. And the Russian Federation has lost another "brotherly" people from its sphere of influence.

      So to argue about the responsibility of the Ukrainian people to Ukrainian fascism, in my opinion, this is a superficial point of view. Here, due to the responsibility of the Ukrainian people, the Russian Federation has a lot of problems that the Russian Federation is obliged to solve independently in one way or another.

      And the longer we drag on the solution to this problem, the worse the consequences. Sit on the next sofa or computer liberals, and shove the blame on the Ukrainian people. It will be easier for you from this.
    2. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 5 May 2014 11: 51
      0
      Quote: Rodnover
      You, MainBeam, the next couch or computer warrior.

      People get to this site in different ways. There are those who are 55 years old. And even 63 met. There are probably youngsters who play Counter-Strike or World of Tanks. Or maybe someone is fond of weapons or equipment and read the latest news on this topic. There are past Agan or Chechnya. There are those who understand the tanks, and there are those who understand the aircraft. There are those who served in the army, there are both patriots and liberals.

      There are those who cut tactics, and there are those who understand strategy.

      For example, I do not understand and cannot predict the effects of GDP. But I do not blame them. I understand that I do not understand, and do not blame. Time will tell. And there is something that you do not understand. If you have not reached the rank of general, then you will not understand the general. This is no offense, this is an example. So I will answer you in your own words:
      Quote: Rodnover
      Do you turn on your brain at least a little, if you have one.


      I was tired of the forum users who troll out of business. There is a clever idea - speak out. Do not know the topic - shut up and read. There are no sensible thoughts - joke, laugh together.
  • Alfer
    Alfer 5 May 2014 18: 43
    +1
    Вообще то братьями назвать трудно.Надо вспомнить как в 91 эти братья с радостным визгом и воплями хватит кормить ей побежали.Вот теперь прибежали.Куда хотели.Теперь давайте вспомним нашу страшную трагедию в Грозном.Не с патриотической стороны.А с чисто военной точки зрения.Туда вошла русская армия.Там что,все чечены были обучены военному ремеслу?Эт вряд ли.Но получили мы там тем не менее по полной.Просто там каждый чеченец с чем попало стал воевать.И не бегали как эти братья с мобильными телефонами толпами,что бы снять зрелище.Они воевали.Они заранее готовились.А здесь что мы видим.Человек сто воюют,а остальные так,массовка.При случае при том бегущая домой.И правильно сказано выще.Сидят и думают.Моя хата с краю.Или а пускай Путин придёт и наведёт порядок.Да с какой стати?Удивительные люди.Понагородили каких то бутафорских барикад,какие то женщины да старики дорогу перегораживают армии.Ну да,здорово конечно это.Только тем кто туда пришёл проще перебить тех баб да стариков и со спокойной совестью ехать дальше.Объявляют какую то мобилизацию.Записались тысячи.И где они?Славянск кровью истекает.Краматорск,Мариуполь..А они ихние руководители в Донецке и Луганске всё о каком то референдуме чешут..Ребят,надо на помощь идти тем кто в блокаде.И когда вы там объявляли о каких то республиках разве не могли догадаться,что Киев это просто так не оставит.И надо давно было уже армию создать.И не строить баррикад.А окапываться.И из всех щелей,укрытий жечь танки,бмп,бтры..Это ещё тот эффект.Повеьте,я знаю это.Когда то проходил на практике.Первый и последний танк или бтр сжечь и отстреливай как куропаток пехоту.Почему Краматорский аэродром ,база до сих пор есть.Есть партизанское движение в конце концов.Пару часов ночью и всё.Нет аэродрома.Всё в огне.Не за телебашни надо воевать.Да впрочем кто там это делать будет то?Все сидят тихо.Половина за киевскую власть.Те кто остался,кто за Россию,кто за какую то федерализацию.А многие и сами не знают чего хотят.Лидеры просто сотрясают воздух.Захватыват какие то никому не гнужные сараи.Почему до сих пор не под контролем аэропорт,железная дорога,все воинские части?Почему какие то радикалы под носом у власти ихней устраивают в Донецке побоище?Ребят,честное слово,так не воюют.Война эт вещь достаточно серьёзгная.И свирепая.А если не умеете,то не стоило и начинать.Просто лечь под Киев и всё.И тогда конечно горе побеждённым.Или воюйте как положено воевать.А нен сваливать с больной головы на здоровую.То есть на Россию и на Путина.Мол Путин придёт,порядок наведёт.А мы тут рядышком..Поглазеем.Нет,не придёт .И ненадейтесь.Вы 23 года от нас отдалялись,ненависть так и пёрла из вас.Вы молчали когда ваш Януковыч благословлял тренировочные лагеря на западе Украины.Вы молчали когда вам на каждом углу телевиденье и все остальные СМИ накачивало идеей,что Россия враг.А коснулось,так мы должны спасать идти.Мы на идее панславянизма идиотской с которой носились ещё наши не очень умные цари.Всё спасали каких то братушек.Сербов,болгар и прочих голодранцев и сброд.Пролили реки русской солдатской крови.И где те братушки теперь.В НАТо извольте замечу.На волне панславянизма этот канонизированный Николай Второй втянул страну в Первую Мировую.Полез каких то сербов спасать.Спас.Так,что самая могущественная империя рухнула.Сами знаете чем закончилось.И теперь нас какие то политики без мозгов тащат спасать украинцев.Которые в большинстве своём нас просто ненавидят.И если мы туда влезем то по нам начнут лупить в спину.Вам мало цинковых гробов разве?По моему уже хватит всех спасать.На нас и так весь мир за ту хохляндию всех собак повесил.Мы и так везде виноваты.
  • Santehnik1997
    Santehnik1997 6 May 2014 11: 44
    0
    Unfortunately, in today's realities, manifestations of fascism are the actions of the leadership of the Russian Federation. There are examples of twisting facts, inciting interethnic hatred, attempts to organize civil clashes between Ukrainians, patronage of holding pseudo-referendums on far-fetched issues that were never on the agenda and were not spelled out in the election campaigns of representatives of the electoral sympathies of residents of the south, east and Crimea, annexation of Crimea etc. All these are artificial pretexts to divert people's attention from what happened and what happened - the change of the anti-popular, bandit government of Yanukovych, who was also a puppet of the GDP, which was convenient in order to enrich a narrow circle of people in Ukraine and the Russian Federation. All this is done to distract your, Russians, attention from everyday problems and restrictions on freedom of speech in the Russian Federation and to consolidate in power for the maximum possible period by intimidation by a mythical external enemy - the United States, the West, Bandera, and Right Sector.
    Think about whether you are being led in that direction and what is your interest here, Russians?
  • viach
    viach 6 May 2014 20: 06
    0
    Are you also good at fighting with the hands of Russian boys? And think again that Romania, Hungary, Poland have their territorial interest in Ukraine. Enter the Russian military into Ukraine and they will not fail and the interests of 4 (FOUR!) States will be opposed to Russia, including NATO member countries. This aggressive military organization will be involved, moreover, along with the Americans! And these bastards // will set fire to Europe, and they themselves will remain on the sidelines. Their continent again without war will get a good gesheft! So for whom to send Russian children to death?
  • a52333
    a52333 4 May 2014 07: 38
    +4
    And in my opinion, the junta has already had enough accusations. RT will bring information about the burning of people, more than a significant reason for the counter-terrorism operation under the leadership of a legitimate president
    1. zao74
      zao74 4 May 2014 07: 52
      +19
      And where is this legitimate .... language does not dare to call it .... president. His people are fighting with the fascist plague, and this .... is afraid to make an extra movement so that the grandmother stolen the West does not take.
      1. Naum
        Naum 4 May 2014 20: 08
        +1
        Yanyk is waiting in the wings. They will definitely tell him: go ahead! (Like O. Bender - "Launch Berlaga!") And he will go wherever Russia needs. He simply has no other options, and neither do his sons. There is no doubt that he is a complete M * UDAK. Greed has ruined the frayer. The same classic case.
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    3. kirieeleyson
      kirieeleyson 4 May 2014 10: 04
      +5
      Today I dreamed of Yanukovych, distributing weapons to the people, he himself stood and wanted to grab the MG-42 for himself, but for some reason he gave out some PPSh and SPS)) wink
      1. saag
        saag 4 May 2014 12: 12
        +2
        And drones, light, shock reconnaissance, heavy shock, burning armored vehicles in the vicinity of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk and in the places of deployment in Izum did not dream? :-)
  • svp67
    svp67 4 May 2014 07: 38
    +10
    I am categorically against the fact that Ukrainian fascism drove into the coffin guys from the Russian Army.
    but it looks like you can’t do without IT ... If not now, then it will make it MUCH more difficult
    1. Naum
      Naum 4 May 2014 20: 12
      0
      Not now. Early. The Ukrainians have not yet fully felt all the "charms" of the maydanu authorities. They will either wake up or not. In the first case, we will help! In the second - sorry ...
  • platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 4 May 2014 07: 39
    +6
    Help is needed, and urgently.
  • Hikar
    Hikar 4 May 2014 07: 39
    +21
    +100500 I support the author
    1. Combitor
      Combitor 4 May 2014 08: 01
      +30
      Quote: Hnikar
      +100500 I support the author

      I totally agree.
      Putin's position today is the most correct. It is as easy as shelling pears to issue an order to send troops. What's next? After the very first "zinc" (God forbid!) That came from there to Russia, the country's leadership and Putin will be personally accused of the death of a Russian soldier. It's easy to fight, sitting at the keyboard, knowing that you won't go there.
      And if someone is to be sent, then I think only volunteers. People who themselves agree will shed blood on a foreign land (whatever one may say, Ukraine is another state). Under what "cover" to send military aid there - a "local history expedition", "search for minerals" or "a trip to the places of military glory of the Red Army", or maybe some private security company will conclude, for example, an agreement with the Donetsk administration on the maintenance of public order in the city and the region - I think our leadership is working on this. But it’s definitely not a place for a conscript soldier.
      And the position and mood of the bulk of the southeast of Ukraine is completely unclear. For those who are at the barricades and checkpoints, for those who stand as a "human shield" in the path of the armored vehicles of the Ukrainian army - everything is clear. They are with us and we are with them. But what do the others think and what will they do? Those who are sitting at home?
      Remember, in N. Ostrovsky's "How the Steel Was Tempered" the average man was afraid to make a mistake, what flag to fly today?
      1. ya.seliwerstov2013
        ya.seliwerstov2013 4 May 2014 09: 08
        +3
        So we need to organize a corridor for all Ukrainian citizens wishing to accept Russian citizenship. It is about saving lives, not developing territories. We have enough land for everyone. Who wants to stay on their land and separate from Ukraine to arrange assistance in the supply of weapons.
        1. kuksha
          kuksha 4 May 2014 11: 48
          +1
          Russia-10 million refugees and NATO at the border.
          US platforms for cruise missiles and banderlog units for Russia.
          zapadentsev-land in the southeast.
          junta loans.
          Do we need it?
      2. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 4 May 2014 10: 49
        +2
        I think volunteers are the best option! We just need to organize them at the state level!
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 4 May 2014 19: 05
          0
          Quote: serega.fedotov
          I think volunteers are the best option! We just need to organize them at the state level!


          As in 1936 in Spain inter-brigades from foreign volunteers were organized.
  • mig31
    mig31 4 May 2014 07: 39
    +5
    The fate and mission of RUSSIA, probably this is what would crush fascism, THE BANNER OF VICTORY IS ACTUAL TILL TODAY !!!!
  • strannik595
    strannik595 4 May 2014 07: 39
    +20
    I agree that those who yell about the entry of our troops will remain at home with their sons, just like the brave pensioner Mironov, will continue to break into battle with television screens, heroically discussing their exploits in the evening with a cup of coffee with a young wife ........ BUT, all the same, I think it is not in vain that the light is lit at night in the windows of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense
  • domokl
    domokl 4 May 2014 07: 42
    +28
    Often, the author gives out controversial thoughts, but to the point. We are talking about rebellious people, and only some have revolted. The rest sit and wait. Until the brains are ventilated from the intoxication of the army to commit suicide. This is what the junta supporters and their owners are seeking from us. Then it will be difficult to talk about crimes. Crimea, Georgia and other similar points have shown that they will speak in the world. The Ukrainians themselves and only themselves must understand what they want ...
    And it becomes stupid bloody killers of the Ukrainian people ... Let the killers be exactly that nationality that lives in the state ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 4 May 2014 08: 27
      +6
      Quote: domokl
      We are talking about rebellious people, and only some have revolted. The rest are sitting and waiting. Until the brains are ventilated from the intoxication of the army to commit suicide.

      Verily!
      Knock out law enforcement officers, superiors, banderlozh activists in a punitive corps, shoot down helicopters, i.e. to do everything to make negotiations for a decent world begin.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 4 May 2014 08: 49
      +16
      Quote: domokl
      We are talking about rebellious people, and only some have revolted. The rest are sitting and waiting. Until the brains are ventilated from the intoxication of the army to commit suicide.

      Correctly! You know, many years ago our family came from Russia to Ukraine. To Kiev, and for a long time we were surprised at the difference between Moscow and Kiev in the sense that in Moscow there is rhythm, movement, speed, and here they go slowly, it seems that no one is working, and everyone is walking. This is what I am for - it’s also slow and the people will wake up. The true people of the Little Russians, not the wolves, who ran from Galicia. Even during the years of Soviet rule in Lviv they constantly kept saying that Kiev is the capital of eastern Ukraine, and Lviv is the capital of western! And whatever you say, but many prepared there, prepared, hated and prepared, were silent, smiling sweetly to the tourists and getting ready. And waited in the wings! Only now they are shooting a rabid beast, and only in this way can they be stopped. More and more people are waking up. And more and more rebuff will increase. Yes, unfortunately, there will be losses for our victims and sorrows. But not too long left! Believe me, I know. hi
      1. sim6
        sim6 4 May 2014 11: 12
        +2
        I confirm that the further it all goes, the more people join the militia, the more people who are not indifferent to events, and the more they press, the more united we become. And as regards the entry (or rather, on the contrary, not the entry) of the Russian troops into Ukraine, we understand that this is not necessary. At least for now. We have such a situation now, we are waiting and preparing for a referendum on May 11, in which there will be only one question - for the creation of the Donetsk People's Republic or against. My whole environment, for example, stands for. If we win the referendum, declare a republic, send to ... Kiev, ask for official assistance from the Russian Federation, in a week or two, we hold a second referendum for inclusion in the Russian Federation. This, mind you, we are talking about only two areas - Donetsk, Lugansk. And if the results of the referendum are different - well, the people themselves have chosen how and with whom to live. And then do not cry out for help from Russia. In my opinion, everything is fair. Only in this way, through self-determination, otherwise, only by defending our cities we won’t win the war, they will crush and crush us. Therefore, we are waiting for May 11th.
  • tarko-trade
    tarko-trade 4 May 2014 07: 45
    +2
    Oh, I’d rather come up with something in this headquarters.
  • talnax7
    talnax7 4 May 2014 07: 46
    +8
    Let yourself get rid of our ONE, why we should do it (I repeat I already wrote about this)
    1. dik-fort
      dik-fort 4 May 2014 11: 40
      0
      ONEZHEDETI is also in Russia, by the way, read the forums of the so-called "Russian nationalists", or rather pseudo-Russian pseudo-nationalists or liberal sites, in universities and schools, I emphasize in Russian, there are supporters or sympathizers of the Euromaidan, moreover, according to the site on the eve of.ru, for example in Yekaterinburg the mayor of the city of Roizman went to a rally in support of the Maidan, and also two city Duma deputies Konstantin Kiselev and Dmitry Golovin, at a meeting with students, promoted the Maidan. MANY HERE STATE that the inhabitants of Novorossiya are passive and do not come out to hold meetings. AND WHOM OF YOU GOES OUT TO RALLY AGAINST THE STEPS OF "WALF ​​AND K" IN RUSSIA. If "THESE" take power tomorrow, how many people will come out, for example, in Yekaterinburg? At best, several hundred elderly people. Who will massively go out against the public opinion aggressively formed by the media, and who will go out if they are immediately prosecuted? And even if activists are kidnapped and killed, plus a crowd of young degenerates comes with truncheons and beat them half to death, WHICH OF YOU WILL GO OUT ON THE STREET IN SUCH CONDITIONS?
      1. domokl
        domokl 4 May 2014 16: 44
        +2
        Quote: dik-fort
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      2. vik669
        vik669 5 May 2014 08: 20
        0
        ONE-ONE is also in Russia, in Russia there is enough such shit, but it knows its place in the toilet.
  • MolGro
    MolGro 4 May 2014 07: 47
    +8
    Regarding the reasons, namely the transportation of oil shale from the USA to the Euro-ass!
    Fuel W.T.S.
    kcal / kg .T.S.
    kJ / kg
    Timber 2960 12400
    Peat 2900 12100
    Brown coal 3100 13000
    Coal 6450 27000
    Anthracite 6700 28000
    Coke 7000 29300
    Slate 2300 9600
    Gasoline 10500 44000
    Kerosene 10400 43500
    Diesel
    fuel 10300 43000
    Fuel oil 9700 40600
    Shale oil 9100 38000
    LPG 10800 45200
    Natural gas * 8000 33500
    Shale gas * 3460 14500
    That is, 1 kg of natural gas = 2 kg of shale
    1. tolian
      tolian 4 May 2014 09: 35
      +1
      MolGro, thanks for the info.
      1. Che burashka
        Che burashka 4 May 2014 11: 21
        +1
        Quote: tolian
        MolGro, thanks for the info.

        Yes, info is interesting, thanks! In the light of recent events, he began to study the issue of shale gas and wow! This fuel is beneficial only at the place of production, it is much dirtier and less energy efficient than ordinary natural gas. Those. it should cost about 2 (two!) times cheaper than natural. At the same time, it will create a lot of problems in the operation of gas equipment designed for clean gas. Have you already forgotten what soot is all over the apartment? Then shale gas comes to you smile And what to do with boiler houses, enterprises, etc.? Wait for the boilers to explode from soot? Of course, you can pre-clean it, as they do in the USA, but then its price jumps 2-3 times. And if you add the cost of transportation here .... The price will be 1,5-2 times higher than Gazprom's even in the most amateurish (i.e. mine winked ) calculations. And this despite the fact that now Europe and Ukraine are howling at too high Gazprom prices. Or according to the principle: the master said - it is necessary, the slave answered - yavol?
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 4 May 2014 13: 55
          +6
          Quote: Che Burashka
          In the light of recent events, he began to study the issue of shale gas and wow!

          also study the environmental problems associated with its extraction smile
          1. Che burashka
            Che burashka 4 May 2014 23: 50
            0
            Quote: Lukich
            Quote: Che Burashka
            In the light of recent events, he began to study the issue of shale gas and wow!

            also study the environmental problems associated with its extraction smile

            And yes, yes, this is generally a song. Already, there are examples that, after some time, shale gas production areas are turning into exclusion zones. In the same Texas, they already have a place to be ... Video with burning water is very instructive. Only this was not enough for Ukraine ...
  • tnship2
    tnship2 4 May 2014 07: 48
    +11
    But just say that it’s time to enroll in the Volunteer Corps and that’s all! And there we’ll figure out who is doing what and how. Moreover, there’s a national question. Kadyrov is not a Slav but he is Russian. This is more than enough. It’s time for the peoples of Russia to gather around their pivot rather than stupid. The Russians are fighting the advanced evil squads in Lugansk, Donetsk, Slavyansk, and everyone who has joined them has resistance and only then nationality.
  • Chuykov
    Chuykov 4 May 2014 07: 49
    +10
    Guys, the author says everything correctly, and he does not deny that it is necessary to help, but not by direct entry of troops, but if by direct entry, no matter how blasphemous it may sound, then only then the Ukrainians will really "fill up" with the actions of these bastards, and everyone will rise to fight with them, then the troops will really be greeted as liberators, not as occupiers. And one thing is not clear why these Duma bastards do not go there to Ukraine, and THERE do not speak their fiery speeches, where are our special services, where are the special forces, who operated in the Crimea, where finally the Crimeans themselves ???????
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 4 May 2014 08: 04
      +4
      Crimeans went. Two battalions ...
  • alexdol
    alexdol 4 May 2014 07: 49
    +1
    What to say: keep WAITING! These CREATURES will deal with us, and then they will deal with Russia, after all, whatever one may say, their main goal is not at all "Ukraine", namely RUSSIA! And about all these UN, EU and the rest of D, E, R, M, A, which is in the service of syshya, the author apparently only SENE! I congratulate him on this OPENING!
    Only you will have to disappoint him, for many people this is no longer NEWS. And I support the calls to LEAVE RUSSIA from all these organizations and stop all contacts with these so-called "PARTNERS"! Communicate with them - TOUR yourself! Today a new march to the WEST is ripe, for EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES!
    1. zao74
      zao74 4 May 2014 08: 00
      +8
      If he had matured, he would have gone. The author is right, until the danger of getting a bullet in the back disappears, we have nothing to do there. Otherwise, we will become invaders. And WAITING for us when ALL Ukraine will rise against fascism in their own land, and not just a few hundred of the most conscious.
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    3. aleks700
      aleks700 4 May 2014 08: 05
      +4
      Oh boy! If it depended on me. After Odessa, only the death of the Bandera scum. Not any negotiations.
      1. raf
        raf 5 May 2014 17: 44
        0
        Odessa only flowers! There will still be roofing felts if the bulk of the population continues to silently bear all the atrocities of banderlogs!
    4. Spnsr
      Spnsr 4 May 2014 09: 28
      +5
      Quote: alexdol
      What to say: keep WAITING! These CREATURES will deal with us, and then they will deal with Russia, after all, whatever one may say, their main goal is not at all "Ukraine", namely RUSSIA! And about all these UN, EU and the rest of D, E, R, M, A, which is in the service of syshya, the author apparently only SENE! I congratulate him on this OPENING!
      Only you will have to disappoint him, for many people this is no longer NEWS. And I support the calls to LEAVE RUSSIA from all these organizations and stop all contacts with these so-called "PARTNERS"! Communicate with them - TOUR yourself! Today a new march to the WEST is ripe, for EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES!

      you know what, comrade!
      you’ll shoot me in the back when I don’t give you a pass, and you will explain it by the fact that you are at home, and I have to fight with banderlogs, and not stop you from going where you want, even if I have to do it the reason that it’s dangerous there. you are not the first Russian, Ossetian, Abkhaz, Chechen, who behaves in this way.
    5. Naum
      Naum 4 May 2014 20: 26
      0
      No need to provoke madness. Everything is much more complicated. This is not our war yet. Till. We must mount our aircraft with new weapons, equipment, communications and intelligence. All that is possible! Then they will reckon with us and are afraid to touch us. I recall Putin’s monthly silence at the events in Kiev. He was right not to make tantrums. And it very unnerved the enemies of Russia. It’s very easy to break firewood and it’s much harder to grow a forest. What now seems obvious can become a mistake in the future. There are many ways to indirectly influence the situation and they must be used 100%. While this is possible.
  • VadimL
    VadimL 4 May 2014 07: 50
    +12
    The author is largely right, but I believe that Russia should nevertheless intervene. Fascism must be crushed by all together. But there is a key point: Russia must act TOGETHER with healthy forces in Ukraine, and not TOGETHER. Otherwise, there will be little use for such a victory.
    1. Mikros
      Mikros 4 May 2014 10: 03
      +2
      The Russian army just cannot get into the affairs of a sovereign state. In this case, I personally see 2 conclusions.
      1. A referendum on the independence of regions and a request after it to Russia.
      2. In Russia there are 3 million male population of Ukraine, freed from the influence of the Ukrainian media. And force must be made of them. they don’t need permissions.
      1. 222222
        222222 4 May 2014 10: 43
        0
        Mikros SU Today, 10:03 ↑ New
        "The Russian army simply cannot get involved in the affairs of a sovereign state." .. ..if the army cannot, then the supreme power is impotent. The army is a means to achieve the goals of the state. When goals cannot be achieved by other means. This is well understood by the Americans and Europeans, fighting around the world for their own and American national interests. and, as a rule, do not ask the UN and do not hold referendums ..
    2. starley
      starley 4 May 2014 22: 54
      0
      the main way to combat fascism in a particular country is to give young people education, work and earnings at a normal level.
      shooting can not solve this problem
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    4. raf
      raf 5 May 2014 17: 42
      0
      It should intervene, but not by sending troops, but weapons and advisers. Why is the United States and the West allowed everything, up to the mercenaries, but we are not.
  • Grif
    Grif 4 May 2014 07: 51
    -2
    If you already introduce troops, then immediately to the border with Germany. You cannot crush parts of this hydra.
    1. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 4 May 2014 08: 20
      +2
      Why exactly to Germany? Why are the cities of Madrid and Lisbon not nice to you? They are oiled in one world.
      1. Arh
        Arh 4 May 2014 13: 29
        0
        And erase the United States !!!)))
    2. Naum
      Naum 4 May 2014 20: 35
      0
      And then (who will survive in a nuclear war) not long and unhappily live in concrete dungeons? Do not smack nonsense and do not provoke stupidity. The times of confrontation between fronts and tactical maneuvers are long gone. Now World War 3 will be (God forbid) behind monitors and keyboard buttons. A team passed - and intercontact rockets took off ... The nature of the Earth has long been waiting for the complete self-destruction of mankind, after what it did to it ...
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 May 2014 07: 51
    +17
    It is necessary to enter. But in an implicit way. Not columns in a marching or combat formation. And they just have to start exploding armored personnel carriers more than usual, planes and helicopters should start to fall more often or even burn in parking lots. After all, for starters, we need to balance forces. And then let the Ukrainians themselves ... Our infantry there is definitely nothing to do.
    1. starley
      starley 4 May 2014 22: 57
      0
      first of all - to take control of all Ukrainian air defense, without violating its combat effectiveness
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  • 14evgen
    14evgen 4 May 2014 07: 52
    +9
    I agree with the author completely, our army should not be there. The whole world is waiting for this to declare us aggressors. But help with weapons, medicines, money, etc., is simply a must.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 4 May 2014 07: 52
    +23
    I agree with the author. How many Ukrainians are currently moonlighting in Russia? Millions
    They are much more than the entire Russian army and police with Ukrainian in addition. And where are they now? Correctly. Work calmly. Something is not visible of their meetings neither in Moscow nor in other cities. None of them besieges Western embassies. Do not run to save their own. What is jute? Really a battalion of Kadyrov or a company from Pskov?
    1. tolan_petrovich
      tolan_petrovich 4 May 2014 09: 20
      +4
      And where are they now?
      At the dacha, yesterday I spoke with a neighbor (the flag of Ukraine hangs about 10 years), he directly says, Putin is all to blame that before the end of the month Russia will capture Ukraine. Like this!
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 4 May 2014 07: 53
    +9
    But I still like the idea of ​​"local historians" more, the introduction of troops is too weighty an argument for Western hysteria. But well-trained local historians ... and then let them prove whose guy shot the egg (pardon the pun) eggs.
  • brelok
    brelok 4 May 2014 07: 53
    +7
    Until all the people of the southeast rise, our troops will be occupiers! And if all the forces rise, then the troops will not be needed. Weapons, ammunition, volunteers, yes. And it’s time to start the junta war crimes tribunal
  • Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 4 May 2014 07: 57
    +5
    As soon as Russia sends troops, the West will immediately blame all sins on us. You can’t enter yet, it will take some time for even the most ardent morons to understand who is who in Ukraine. Therefore, the Southeast now needs to hold out for some time.
    And there you look, as in the 41st immediately from the parade ...
    1. zao74
      zao74 4 May 2014 08: 04
      +1
      And not only sins, but also debts!
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  • Chuykov
    Chuykov 4 May 2014 07: 57
    +2
    And there’s a question for those who advocate the entry of troops. Are you sure that the tamed NATO will not send troops back to the Western parts? And this is worse than the regional conflict ....
  • dFG
    dFG 4 May 2014 07: 58
    +13
    touched by calls from Ukraine to the Russian Federation to come and sort it out)) you guys are there in an independent house, you’re sitting and typing on computers, but go outside and say if you have something to say, organize, defend yourself and don’t wait ... otherwise it will turn out later as always, the right and left after a week of troops will shout about the lost independence and partisan war as well as about the invaders .... and there is no need to threaten the Russian Federation, in the Russian Federation as well as the United States you raised liberals and paid money but now the result is a little different .... until there is a united front in the southeast of the Russian Federation and there is no need to twitch, there are no weapons enough to fight there
  • Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 4 May 2014 07: 58
    +14
    They noticed that we do not see Vladimir Vladimirovich anywhere. For him, in fact, Peskov now speaks, but there is no personal appeal of the president to the people (face to face) regarding the latest events. The last time the persona of the head of state was shown when he was in Minsk on April 29-30, after which he disappeared. Similarly, we do not see Lavrov; instead, statements are made by representatives of the information department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and not even in the person of his head Lukashevich, but his deputy. It seems to me that it’s not just the holidays that matter, what the hell are the holidays, when this happens ........ Something grand is being prepared, comrades. Apparently the answer is not long in coming.
    1. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p 4 May 2014 08: 35
      +4
      Yes, there really is such a moment. Even Putin expressed his condolences about Odessa not personally, but through the same Peskov.
      Honestly, such silence is somehow annoying, especially against the backdrop of the most recent events ...
      1. Alekseir162
        Alekseir162 4 May 2014 10: 05
        +3
        No, the thing is different. Any normal person, having seen this, what happened in Odessa, when people were burned alive, will come into a state of prostration. I myself could not do anything yesterday, everything fell out of my hands. But we must pay tribute to Vladimir Vladimirovich, he quickly copes with himself, I think we will soon hear his statement. And, then, I want to remind you that he has a GOOD MEMORY.
    2. starley
      starley 4 May 2014 23: 24
      0
      and from the news about the Ukrainian. completely disappeared yay tse nyuk - you see, the race is started
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 4 May 2014 08: 00
    +3
    I do not agree with the author a bit!
    Fascism has already been called the plague of 20 century!
    Now fascism has been modified, but in essence it has remained the same plague!
    This is a global tumor and it can only be destroyed together!
    1. starley
      starley 4 May 2014 23: 28
      0
      fascism is a form of social rabies from malnutrition combined with local ideological mores.
  • Eugene
    Eugene 4 May 2014 08: 01
    +25
    It’s familiar. I stood alone against the Procurators, on March 8th. There were three hundred of them. In Kerch. Everything worked out peacefully, but it was scary. And our Crimeans looked through the windows. Not one bastard came up, didn’t stand next. They shouted and parted. On the 16th, it was all over.
  • aleks700
    aleks700 4 May 2014 08: 02
    +4
    Let's wait until the Nazis crush the resistance. What? Bandera love us? But Little Russians will despise. And do not shout that let yourself help. Who can go out with his bare hands against the army. The army of Bandera, and not Ukraine. Today we coast, tomorrow the war will begin on our territory.
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 4 May 2014 08: 09
      +3
      That's right. For ntsyukami state. No way. Different weight categories.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 4 May 2014 08: 34
      +4
      Quote: aleks700
      But Little Russians will despise.

      You in Ukraine tell someone that he is Little Russian.
      Very likely - you run into trouble. yes
      No need to repeat agitation.
      Situevina is much more complicated and ambiguous.
      Pro-Russian people are in a minority in many cities and towns of Ukraine. Yes ... even in the Donbass there are many passive people, they are waiting, sir.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 4 May 2014 08: 06
    +6
    The question is posed that way. It should, but not stop.


    Ukrainians themselves Must stop the fascism that they gave birth to in their country, hatched from their mentality. If they do not stop, then they will be destroyed. What will happen after their numb corpses are buried in ravines, they will no longer be touched. It will be history, but without the Ukrainians.
  • wanderer987
    wanderer987 4 May 2014 08: 06
    +6
    Ukrainians will not be able to sit out in huts, if they themselves will not act, their problems on them will not be solved by anyone, and then even Russia will not be able to help them in this, there is a saying - “If you are not involved in politics, sooner or later politics will take care of you. "
    The fact that this hour is happening in Ukraine (not in Ukraine, namely in Ukraine), not only in the southeast
    and across the country, the Bendery-Fascist Sabbath and I believe that on this scumbag there will be its own Nuremberg tribunal. It’s not long to wait!
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 4 May 2014 08: 09
    +8
    23 years have been touched by ONE, and now, who should?
  • mackonya
    mackonya 4 May 2014 08: 11
    +16
    I agree with the author, the figures are most striking, about 500 people came out to the rally in Odessa, 1500 ultras and PSs came out against the protesters, what does it mean, this means the MOST “Odessa” is satisfied with this regime and these “Bandera” on the streets cities. When people were burned in the House of Trade Unions, why did no one hit the rear of the "enemy" that took the building into the ring. Why are there no "underground" organizations in the city, because now Ukraine is actually occupied by "Bandera" they are Ukrainians, and this happens. Russia can send peacekeeping troops and I have already said that there is a clause in the CIS agreement on mutual assistance and Ukraine is still a part of the CIS, and Yanukovych is the current president and can use this point, the peacekeeping forces are united from the Armed Forces of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. But even peacekeeping forces are still too early to enter, no one expects big casualties in the South-East, all that is needed is the full support of the population of the South-East, and of course a little support among the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Otherwise, it may turn out that when the CIS peacekeeping forces are deployed, the Ukrainian Armed Forces and part of the population will oppose the "peacekeepers", because many will decide that this is an act of aggression. And the United States, along with the West, will start screaming about aggression, although Russia has more than once offered on the OSCE platform a dialogue between the West and the Center of Ukraine and the South-East. Why are there no rallies against the "Kiev junta" in all the cities of the Southeast, do they really want to "sit out", the salvation of Ukraine is in the hands of the Ukrainians themselves, or to be afraid of the punishers of the "Bandera" people, so there will not be enough of them for everyone if all the cities start to rally.
    1. KLIM
      KLIM 4 May 2014 08: 23
      +5
      I doubt very much about the participation of Belarus and Kazakhstan in the peacekeeping operation. Lukashenko and Nazarbayev in 2008 took a wait-and-see attitude, observing how Russia itself carries out an operation to force Georgia to peace. Now they have a similar policy. There are not even loud statements about the situation in Ukraine as a whole, not to mention the tragedy in Odessa. They want to sit out again.
      1. mackonya
        mackonya 4 May 2014 15: 56
        0
        The presidents of Belarus and Kazakhstan have long expressed their position, and it is not necessary to repeat the same position every time. The events of 2008 were of a special nature, there was a direct military invasion of Russian territory, so a third party could not fit in, unless Russia officially requested military assistance through the CSTO. I disagree about "serving out", because if sanctions are applied against Russia, then what is the point for the CU countries to fall under these sanctions. Official condolences can only be expressed to the families of those killed and wounded, not to the "Kiev junta" to express condolences in fact. Although you don’t watch Kazakhstani news, just like I don’t watch Belarusian news, I’m sure condolences to the victims in Odessa were heard on many news channels. No matter what they say, but the feeling of the fraternal people that they have been vaccinated for so long will not be able to eradicate so quickly.
  • bilgesez
    bilgesez 4 May 2014 08: 12
    +2
    There are peaceful people. And you go with your bare hands stop the drunken blood and armed to the teeth Bandera scum.
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 4 May 2014 10: 33
      +3
      Quote: bilgesez
      There are peaceful people

      and we mean not peaceful! it is interesting to reason like this, even FSUs, that the whole world will scream that Russia is an aggressor, how can one assume that all the people living on the planet are peaceful, and Russia and the peoples living on it are not peaceful ?!
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2014 14: 06
      +5
      Quote: bilgesez
      There are peaceful people. And you go with your bare hands stop the drunken blood and armed to the teeth Bandera scum.

      do civilians have no peaceful hunting rifles? no gas in the garages? well, sit and wait peacefully when banderlogs get to you
  • Nikurov
    Nikurov 4 May 2014 08: 13
    +10
    Bravo, Roman. Analysis of the situation with a cold and sober head and without hysteria. Help with weapons - yes. Direct invasion - no.
  • wiktoor
    wiktoor 4 May 2014 08: 14
    +9
    Not everything is just as the author describes in 1917, too, a bunch of Yids arranged a coup, and the Russian people allowed this to be done with themselves. So here, for 23 years, brains were washed, even memory was gone.
    And what if, after Yeltsin, Yavlinsky came to power? Damn even from this thought became ill.
    If you want, you don’t want, but you will think about the role of Russia in the world.
    The author in one of the rights of the troops is 15 thousand and the population of Little Russia is tens of millions.
    The question is, do they need it?
    Armament? Yes, they have everything, there would be a will.
    Very long happened yes?
    After all, we didn’t fight for our freedom either, Putin appeared in our country and voila, we are on a horse.
    1. true love
      true love 4 May 2014 09: 06
      +3
      Everyone is silent about the role of the leader of the country ... But it is huge, if not to say that this is the only thing that saved Russia ... But so far it saves.
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 4 May 2014 08: 14
    +1
    the troops do not need to be entered yet — there are high-precision weapons, but the most important thing is the specialists — now it’s not too late to take the cues by their forces; moreover, specialists should be involved not only from Belarus and Kazakhstan, but also from Iranian and Chinese; and Lavrov no longer needs to run around these UNs and OSCE sectarians; this is already a passed stage. all that diplomacy could do, it did (to be exact, it couldn’t do anything, but we adhered to all international norms and standards)
    1. saag
      saag 4 May 2014 08: 49
      +3
      Quote: dojjdik
      moreover, you need to use specialists not only from Belarus and Kazakhstan but also Iranian and Chinese

      Well, you are a dreamer, sir :-)
    2. starley
      starley 4 May 2014 23: 34
      0
      not a single explosion of ammunition fired by Russian military personnel in the territory of Ukrainian is unacceptable.
      Give a weapon - yes. Shoot ourselves - in no case - each shot will be on their own.
      Block serious weapons of ukrarmia - necessarily - by specialists
  • Grenz
    Grenz 4 May 2014 08: 16
    +27
    Quote: a52333
    And in my opinion, the junta has already had enough accusations. RT will bring information about the burning of people, more than a significant reason for the counter-terrorism operation under the leadership of a legitimate president

    Ничего подобного.
    Evaluations of events in Odessa in the German media. Time 20 seconds: "As a result of the fire in the House of Trade Unions, people died."
    In the USA: "In Odessa, as a result of a fire accidentally perpetrated by pro-Russian demonstrators, several people were suffocated."
    And the Ukrainian media live Schuster quoted applause the words of the arsonist.
    I support the author and have already spoken out.
    Is there a sudden massive decline in the male population in southeastern Ukraine?
    Yes it did.
    If in the questionnaires the soldiers are asked: "Are you going to shoot women?"
    Because they are more active (see reports), but we have one on the site: "I need to feed my family, and not sit on the barricades ...".
    This is how things are.
    Why does a Russian soldier better understand what fascism is, and a Ukrainian man for the most part wants to sit out for women's skirts.
    In Kramatorsk, a young nurse and brave people with a clear conscience died.
    But pay attention, armored personnel carriers enter the city, and then cars on their business and on the sidewalks are yawning men.
    No, under such conditions, sending Russian soldiers under the bullets is a crime.
    I repeat. We must fight for freedom - they don’t bring it on a platter!
    The author is correct to put ++++ grades
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 May 2014 10: 52
      +3
      Why does a Russian soldier better understand what fascism is, and a Ukrainian man for the most part wants to sit out for women's skirts


      Petticoat, this is part of women's clothing, but not a man. Khataskrai, a vivid detail of the local mentality. The experience of aiding the invaders at the outskirts of centuries.
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 4 May 2014 08: 17
    +13
    Who should stop fascism in Ukraine?

    For some (I think, quite compelling) reasons, the GDP has not yet issued an order to the troops. But what's stopping the support-informal-sending of volunteers? Give 47 or 74 AK with ammo, RPG-7 (I don't ask for "Vampires"), shots to them. I'm not asking for a new one. I think we are with weapons 60-70s. fat for the collar of u.b.l.yud.k.a.m. Nazi zal.
    Poles and Balts go to fight for animals. As of yesterday, 300 devils from zheks and sprats who came to the Donbass are known. What male genitalia are we waiting for?
    Z.Y.K.O.Z.L.I.N.y from airmobile brigades should end on the same conditions as homosexual pravoseki. Ghouls shooting at their people should not wear a vest and take. IMHO.
  • wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 4 May 2014 08: 17
    +7
    Does Taras Bulba remember? "I gave birth to you, and I will kill you." In Ukraine, for 23 years, the Ukrainians with the help of Western "democracies" raised Bandera. not Western scientists wrote history textbooks that Ukrainians are the oldest race on the planet, not Western linguists introduced all these maps - a map and a "Ukrainian helicopter", which is impossible even to pronounce. they themselves have spawned - and beat yourself. Russia will help with this. otherwise, hoping that Russian soldiers will come in a tank and defeat the Ukrainian Nazis - politics is my hut from the edge, you will put in your efforts, and I will use their fruits.
  • tokin1959
    tokin1959 4 May 2014 08: 18
    +4
    In my opinion, the whole problem of the supporters of federalization in the southeast is not even a lack of coordination and weapons. And in the absence of the spirit of unity that was inherent in the Crimeans.


    if there was no help from the Russian military, the same thing would happen in Crimea as in Odessa, and back in February. the right-wing people and the Maydauns were going to send a "friendship" train to Crimea, but everything was immediately blocked by Russian troops plus local activists.
    and the Tatars could "extinguish" the entire revolution at the root - they are much more organized. which actually happened. in Simferopol, near the Verkhovna Rada, there were several hundred pro-Russian activists, and against them there were several thousand Tatars.
    and if it were not for the "green" men, who were blocking everything overnight - the entire Crimean revolution would have ended long ago - everyone would have been intercepted and jailed by that time.
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 4 May 2014 08: 19
    +11
    Assistance will be provided, however, the Ukrainian people themselves must decide their fate. This people are called Ukrainians and they live in another state, and so far they have not turned to the Russian people for help. And the assistance that is provided by force is called the occupation and seizure of foreign territories. troops, and in a referendum, the majority will speak out for joining the European Union and say that Moscow should not interfere in their internal Ukrainian affairs. From Russia they only need cheap gas and a market for their products. Emotions need to be postponed until better times, otherwise you can break firewood instead of help.
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 4 May 2014 08: 27
    +10
    The people are obliged to deal with their problems themselves, stop sitting on the huts and wait for the good uncle from another country to come and do everything for you. He will expel all Natsiks, Bandera, Turchinovs, Yatsenyukov, Yaroshi and others. Why Russian guys should die for your welfare , and you will sit and watch Russian soldiers die on TV screens. Do we need this? I am wholeheartedly for helping the people of Ukraine, but without the deployment of troops, volunteers, weapons, equipment, equipment, products.
    There was a message that on the border of the Luhansk region militiamen seized a checkpoint that it was impossible to organize a corridor there. On TV screens they show how completely unarmed people stand up to the teeth with armed "special forces", WHY WE CANNOT GIVE WEAPONS TO PEOPLE IN ORDER TO PROTECT THEIR LIFE AND LIFE CLOSE. That the leaders of the popular resistance have the Soviet syndrome, the fear to arm the people, no matter how bad things turn out.
  • denchik1977
    denchik1977 4 May 2014 08: 28
    +2
    The bacchanalia of neo-Nazism in modern Ukraine can only be stopped by Russia, since no one else will be able to do this, because as the development of events during the entire period of the crisis has shown, other countries are simply or panicky afraid of the United States or trying to put a good face on a very bad game, as the European Union does. .... The diplomatic efforts that Russia is making are constantly being brought to naught, and then, alas, unfortunately, the only option can remain a forceful solution .... This must be done because when the Kiev "junta" and the scum from the "Right Sector "smelled blood, now you can't stop them ...
  • Baba Lera
    Baba Lera 4 May 2014 08: 30
    0
    Quote: Grif
    If you already introduce troops, then immediately to the border with Germany. You cannot crush parts of this hydra.

    I think so too, if you really go for it, then to the end!
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 4 May 2014 08: 36
      +2
      No, neither Poland nor Germany do we need.
      simple - not needed.
      and a war of such a scale the Russian Federation will not pull.
  • Support
    Support 4 May 2014 08: 31
    +3
    In fact, you can use crossbows. There are no unmasking factors - flash, sound. A good crossbow hits 100-150m. We had a weirdo in Kamchatka that used (from bears) the arrowhead as a drummer on the capsule (a type of hunting cartridge was attached to the end of the arrow). He hit the trees to scare (there was no goal to kill - just scare).
  • Rainman_1
    Rainman_1 4 May 2014 08: 32
    +4
    Who should ... Well, certainly not the sons of Russian mothers !!! Help is necessary but as if without blood !!!
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2014 14: 14
      +7
      Quote: Rainman_1
      Well, certainly not the sons of Russian mothers !!!
      they hide their children under the skirts, or send to the Maidan. and in our mothers receive zinc coffins? will not wait !!! the bastards themselves, themselves ...
  • Baba Lera
    Baba Lera 4 May 2014 08: 33
    +1
    Quote: uzer 13
    Emotions should be postponed until better times, otherwise you can break firewood instead of help.

    I agree, but to see the grief of OUR PEOPLE is unbearable !!!!!!
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 4 May 2014 08: 36
    +45
    I am on 100% supporting Putin, who is not in a hurry to use his right to send troops into the territory of a neighboring state. Because those who gave him this right will not enter there either. And to answer for everyone killed to him. So that's right, he does. Until.

    I already laid out the picture, I think it is in the subject again ..
    1. Chuykov
      Chuykov 4 May 2014 08: 50
      +10
      And it was said when still? More than a month has passed !!!! I can not imagine a more subtle hint from the President !!!
    2. Registrar
      Registrar 4 May 2014 11: 59
      +4
      Bravo!
      What else can I add?
      My hut from the edge .......
    3. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 4 May 2014 14: 34
      +1
      The troops do not lead. until the population rises .... all southeast. am% 70 sit and wait for someone to come and do everything for them ... where are the people .. !!! ??? then 500 or 2000 people. is that the population of each city ... ???? recourse Where PEOPLE ... ???? WHERE IS UNITY AND MUTUAL REVENUE .. ??? All cities and towns alone are trying to do something ... NEED A SINGLE FRONT .. !!!! YOU SHOULD UNIFY .. Otherwise, mourning will be with you every day ... and beat you one by one ... Russia will help only when it sees WHAT YOU ARE ONE .. drinks
      1. tokens2
        tokens2 4 May 2014 15: 11
        0
        The troops do not lead. until the population rises .... all southeast. am% 70 sit and wait for someone to come and do everything for them ... where are the people .. !!! ???

        Yes, they won’t rise en masse ... they tried to Ukrosmi.
        And it’s not necessary for everyone ... let Ekaterina raise them from Channel 1 but already as part of the Russian Federation. Again there is -Play a accordion laughing though it’s a bit early in prime time.
    4. raf
      raf 5 May 2014 17: 30
      0
      Quite right, MIKHAN, they think and wait, here comes a kind and polite uncle from Russia and does everything for them.
    5. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 6 May 2014 11: 16
      0
      everything is correct ....
    6. Che burashka
      Che burashka 6 May 2014 19: 37
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I am on 100% supporting Putin, who is not in a hurry to use his right to send troops into the territory of a neighboring state. Because those who gave him this right will not enter there either. And to answer for everyone killed to him. So that's right, he does. Until.

      I already laid out the picture, I think it is in the subject again ..

      Yeah, 100% agree! drinks You speak the truth, my son! wink hi
      It's easy to fight with someone else's hands and not send your children to death, and it's not clear why ??? And the Khokhlo brothers will wait until all the "polite people" do for them? It won't work. The brothers decide how you will live on - as people or as slaves? In the first case, we will certainly help, in the second - God will judge you.
  • Backrfire
    Backrfire 4 May 2014 08: 36
    +1
    According to the p.e.d.do.s.s.v. Madonna and Eddie Murphy should stop fascism, but Valuev with a samovar and Gosha Kutsenko with a crossbow will hang them for their eggs drinks
  • Viktor163
    Viktor163 4 May 2014 08: 38
    +10
    AUTHOR OF THE LAW It is necessary to help financially, but not our boys. The only thing that can be done in the military plan of assistance is to declare a no-fly zone and to send all the bastards from Russia.
    1. Amateur
      Amateur 6 May 2014 20: 24
      0
      So you agreed with the Author that "Ukrainian fascism must be destroyed by the Ukrainians." But there were analogues in history. The Germans could not cope with German fascism, the Italians - with the Italian, the Spaniards, even with international assistance, could not cope with Franco. And now events are repeated. Therefore, it should not be that "my hut is on the edge." The fascists must be beaten together, by the whole Russian world, in their own den, until the "brown infection" crosses our borders. In the distant past, only the disunity of the Russian princes allowed the Mongols to enslave Russia. Now, as in the 30s of the last century, the "puppeteers" are the same, the goals are the same, the methods are the same, and the enemies are the same. Only we must be different so as not to "oversleep" the fire of a new world war. The goal is Russia. We must not forget about it. And if it really is pernicious to send Russian troops into Ukraine, then international brigades of volunteers should be brought in. And there are many who want to get even with subhumans.