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We do not need Kolovrat!

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We do not need Kolovrat!



"Teach history! This is not a swastika! It is a symbol of the sun! Kolovrat is called! "

Familiar words, is not it? With the advent of the Internet, people claiming the title of honorary historians of Russia are becoming more and more. What does all this mean? Why all of a sudden, symbols frankly resembling a swastika (the so-called kolovrat - this is just the beginning) suddenly became an honorary symbol of the Slavs? Why all of a sudden, out of the blue, these people began to call themselves "Rodnovers" and sculpt - we will call things after all by their names - a swastika anywhere: on T-shirts, tattooing on ourselves, and so on - that's just on my forehead have not seen.

Very interesting. And the "public" is mainly nationalistic. No, comrades nationalists, we know the history and prudently do not call you fascists. (You can’t calm you down later.) "Nationalists. White race, Slavs, pure blood, white Russia ..."

History lesson from one Internet resource:
"To show an image of Kolovrata to a person and to follow his reaction means to know a lot about this person.
[...] Kolovrat can only be hated by those who are stupid by the evil anti-Slavic propaganda [...], being the creature of the world of darkness and destruction ...
Any thinking and interested person knows that Kolovrat in various versions of the outline is the original symbol of many
Indo-European peoples. "

Here is how. I wonder how many people showed this blot in the middle of 40-s and received in response “not the reaction”, or, most likely, not the reaction, but something stronger? Butt hit or bullet in the forehead?

All these contradictions are cleverly hidden by brilliant arguments like “teach the story” or “everything, the conversation is over.” Of course, a normal person
it is unlikely to be interested in the swastika. With her, everything is clear. However, for the sake of justice, I had to explore a couple of web pages. Of these, I will give quotes so that no one has any questions and that people stop mratting and fooling around with their "native Slavic signs of the sun."

We continue to study these "delights":
"... Anyone thinking and interested in a person knows that Kolovrat in different versions of the outline is the original symbol of many
Indo-European peoples. "

That is, it turns out that the symbol of many Indo-European peoples can be hated by "only those stupid with anti-Slavic propaganda"? That is, all the anti-fascist fighters that did not give their homeland to the mercy of the German invaders - they are all "creatures of the world of darkness and destruction" ?!

And can be, all the way around?

I know my roots. My grandfather and his whole village rebuilt their homes from nothing, with their own hands, without money, helping each other. It was a generation of Soviet people, the Soviet people, that the first in the world sent a man into space. The people from whom so many inventors, designers, doctors and writers. I do not believe that a significant part of our history is "the world of darkness and destruction." And I firmly know that it is not.

Why does society break up due to the substitution of concepts? Maybe someone needs this? The characters in question are really visible in the photographs ... of the nineteenth century.



Why am I not surprised when I see them in the photo of already frank nationalists, but already in our century? In a century when nationalism is like a bargaining chip in an alien political struggle? When nationalism is sponsored, as in Tatarstan, in the Caucasus, and - as everyone has long understood - in Ukraine?

To summarize, I will say: I am not against people's self-expression. But "self-expression" should end where the interests of our state begin, which keeps its people, us, from falling into the abyss of endless regional wars. Holds the people who endured all the hardships and hardships. The people who survived in a terrible struggle.

PS Let the patterns be worn once upon a time. But now for more than a century they are not relevant among our people. Creative, talented, strong and CREATING Russian people! And it is better to call the mystifiers themselves the creatures of the “world of darkness”. Just look at their shy eyes - and the questions will disappear by themselves.
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  1. Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 5 May 2014 09: 18
    +30
    Attention, in the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics there are Croatian mercenaries posing as Serbian correspondents. They provide logistics to snipers and saboteurs. They are armed and very dangerous. They have escaped the war in Bosnia. The main weapons are hidden in bumpers. Undercover niches or a pallet fixed at the bottom of the XKER. NO VOLUNTEERS AND MEDIA REPRESENTATIVES ON THE TERRITORY OF FREE REPUBLIC
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 5 May 2014 09: 33
      +19
      History lesson from one Internet resource


      1. striker
        striker 5 May 2014 15: 15
        +9
        Author Popov Egor
        That is, all the anti-fascist fighters who did not give their homeland to be torn apart by the German invaders - they are all "creatures of the world of darkness and destruction" ?!

        Why does society split due to a substitution of concepts?


        It's you, Popov Egorare doing a substitution of concepts and a split Russian of society.

        Our Russian ancestors in different centuries fought under different banners, including under the symbol "Kolovrat" (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evpatiy_Kolovrat)
        One thing is for sure: regardless of the models of the social system and the prevailing ideology that existed at different periods of Russian History, they always fought against the OCCUPIERS (!) And never (!!!) discriminated against the occupiers on ethnic grounds!
        Swede, German, Frenchman, Azer, Chichen, Uzbek - the occupier of the Russian land, he is the occupier, regardless of nationality!!!

        Therefore, leave the fascist swastika of the Third Reich to the German National Socialists of the 30s - 40s of the last century, and do not touch the Russian Kolovrat.

        Z.Y. For the article - minus, it is a pity that I can put only one
        1. BLACK-SHARK-64
          BLACK-SHARK-64 7 May 2014 16: 11
          0
          I agree completely ....
    2. folds
      folds 5 May 2014 16: 56
      +12
      (Right now, the sailors are stumbling me :)) - And let's give up the St. Andrew’s flag? This is a symbol of the Vlasovites - traitors of the Russian people who fought on the side of the Nazis! My grandfather, and your grandfathers knew - if someone has an Andreev flag on his sleeve - a traitor, a Vlasovite, worse than a German. And the tricolor, under which 1 roa guards brigade held a parade on June 22, 1943 in Pskov - I assure you, veterans remember very well!
      And somehow the atrocities committed under these symbols do not prevent one flag from being the symbol of the Russian Navy, and the second from hanging over the Kremlin. The article reminds me of an anecdote - "Something worries me about Honduras! - Don't you scratch him!" If you do not need a Kolovrat - why do you go to extremist sites to look for information about it?
      To be honest - I jarred the headline, because in my mind Kolovrat is Yevpatiy Kolovrat, as an example of Russian heroism .. And then all of a sudden - I don’t need it, we arrived ..
      1. Ka3ak
        Ka3ak 5 May 2014 19: 06
        +3
        Ahem ... As far as I know.
        Yevpatiy Orthodox Christian refers to a pagan sacred symbol only by his nickname.
        But the fables of pseudo-historians about our great pagan past remind me of the poison that poisoned Ukraine.
      2. BLACK-SHARK-64
        BLACK-SHARK-64 7 May 2014 16: 13
        +1
        well done....
  2. johnsnz
    johnsnz 5 May 2014 09: 19
    +10
    Death to the Nazis in all guises !!!!!
    1. does it
      does it 5 May 2014 15: 10
      +1
      Quote: johnsnz
      Death to the Nazis in all guises !!!!!

      Fascism (Italian: fascismo by fascio "Union, bundle, ligament, association")generalized name of extreme right-wing political movements, ideologies and the corresponding form of government of a dictatorial type
  3. Geologist
    Geologist 5 May 2014 09: 21
    +14
    Blah blah blah.
  4. maestro123
    maestro123 5 May 2014 09: 24
    +31
    Muddy article.
    1. Children BuryKonya
      Children BuryKonya 5 May 2014 09: 34
      +14
      The heading "opinion", and yes, muddy. Battle with chimeras.
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 5 May 2014 10: 11
      +11
      Quote: maestro123
      Muddy article.

      The author quotes words from the so-called "A history lesson from one Internet resource:
      "To show an image of Kolovrata to a person and to follow his reaction means to know a lot about this person.
      [...] Kolovrat can only be hated by those who are stupid by the evil anti-Slavic propaganda [...], being the creature of the world of darkness and destruction ...
      Any thinking and interested person knows that Kolovrat in various versions of the outline is the original symbol of many
      Indo-European peoples "
      . or such All these contradictions are cleverly hidden by brilliant arguments like “teach the story” or “everything, the conversation is over.” Of course, a normal person
      it would hardly come to mind to be interested in the swastika. With her, everything is clear. Nevertheless, for the sake of fairness, I had to study a couple of Internet pages. Of these, I will cite quotes so that no one has questions and that people stop dirtying themselves and fooling around with their "Rodnover Slavic signs of the sun"
      ..... it turns out the author took the statements of some people from one Internet resource, but not really delving into the origin of the Kolovrat, giving an example of what happened in the mid-40s with those who are "for Kolovrat", but the history of Russia does not begin from the mid-40s ... although it could end during this period, but the Kolovrat nothing to do with.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 5 May 2014 10: 20
        +14
        The symbol itself has nothing to do with it. And its use.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 5 May 2014 11: 57
          +11
          Quote: Yuri Ya.
          The symbol itself has nothing to do with it. And its use.

          Absolutely! The Buddhist swastika existed before Hitler for hundreds of years (if not thousands) and now one of the main symbols of Buddhism is the swastika. I have often seen this symbol in the countries of Southeast Asia, so now, to demand that these countries ban the swastika? Absurd! Just do not "confuse a fork with a bottle", and the Buddhist swastika-with the fascist! Correctly must be treated and Kolovrat. By the way, where did you get the idea that a Russian nationalist is bad? As a double-edged sword, so the word "nationalist" can have both "bad" and "good" meanings. In a good sense, a Russian nationalist is a person, a citizen of his country, who sees and understands real (and not invented) threats Russia, the Russian people, Russian culture, Russian self-awareness is trying to actively resist these threats; while the liberal "strata", comprador officials and the bourgeoisie, even the ruling regime are trying to "silence" these threats, hang "bad" labels and even apply repression.
          1. Manul
            Manul 5 May 2014 13: 22
            +2
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            By the way, where did you get the idea that a Russian nationalist is bad?

            The distinction between a nationalist and a patriot has long been made clear. Russian swastika is not needed. In Russia, the Orthodox cross is the main symbol. A Kolovrat leave for museums.
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              1. Manul
                Manul 5 May 2014 18: 17
                0
                Quote: vladsolo56
                Do not speak and write on behalf of all Russians, this is not entirely correct

                I said what I said. I did not say - "the only one" - I said "main". I did not say - "for all Russians". I said - "in Russia". Unfortunately, we have enough atheists, and not "unbelievers", but atheists. I apologize in advance - if you continue to rant on such topics in this spirit, substituting concepts and distorting them, then there is no point in commenting on me. Still, no consensus will be found.
                1. Ka3ak
                  Ka3ak 5 May 2014 19: 13
                  0
                  All right, this is a historical fact.
                  From childhood, Russia absorbed Orthodox Christianity.
                  Under the image of the Savior on the banner, the soldiers went to lay down their lives for their own.
                  This happened for about 1000 years, generation after generation, saw the Truth in Christ. And in the cross of the Lord. And by the power of the crucified on him they won in the main battles, and the main battle for each person takes place in his heart, all other victories come from this main one.
                  A Kolovrat is a sacred symbol of the syncretic pagan world, it does not draw anything more than how to draw it on spinning wheels.
                  1. Ratibor
                    Ratibor 5 May 2014 22: 02
                    0
                    Quote: KA3AK
                    All right, this is a historical fact.
                    From childhood, Russia absorbed Orthodox Christianity.
                    Under the image of the Savior on the banner, the soldiers went to lay down their lives for their own.
                    This happened for about 1000 years, generation after generation, saw the Truth in Christ. And in the cross of the Lord. And by the power of the crucified on him they won in the main battles, and the main battle for each person takes place in his heart, all other victories come from this main one.
                    A Kolovrat is a sacred symbol of the syncretic pagan world, it does not draw anything more than how to draw it on spinning wheels.

                    Someone saw, and someone not. If the official religion of the state is Christianity, this does not mean that everyone believes in Christ. And after 1000 years they will say again - generation after generation have seen the truth in Christ.
                    1. Ka3ak
                      Ka3ak 5 May 2014 22: 29
                      0
                      I understood you. But I'm not saying that our ancestors were as one.
                      You see, the people, as it seems to me, are not a totality of biological species with their separate worldview, this is a community that has some specific features, without slipping into unitarianism. I fully admit that not everyone believed in Christ. BUT

                      The point here is not the official religion of the state. And the fact that the Russian people did was inspired by the Christian worldview.
                      Within the Christian worldview, the greatest works of architecture and painting were created.
                      From among the people saints appeared with the purity of their life striking everyone around. Not wisdom, not vision. And cleanliness.
                      Our entire northern edge was built up by monasteries not on government orders, but on the initiative of Russian people who were leaving the world to God in a thicket of northern forests.
                      Popular culture was also imbued with Christianity. This is reflected even in the Kiev epics, though quite on a simple and primitive level.
                      That is why I made a generalization about the Russian people ... In this matter, he was one. As a people, but it is clear that every single person was in one way or another free to believe what he wanted.

                      Quote: Ratibor
                      And after 1000 years they will say again - generation after generation they have seen the Truth in Christ.

                      It is already difficult to say about the last centuries of the Empire. Although de jure, Orthodoxy remained the state religion.
        2. xenod55
          xenod55 5 May 2014 14: 22
          -4
          That's right, but Natsik should wear it on his forehead so that there is no doubt about the aiming point.
      2. Pit
        Pit 5 May 2014 10: 26
        +6
        Quote: evgenii67
        but not really delving into the origin ...

        Moreover, even where he grabbed the phrases, he did not bother to read to the end.
        And as for Slavic symbolism, there is a usual substitution of concepts. The swastika was not the first swallow. Everyone knows about the star of David, but few people remember about the star of Velis, and this is the same thing, just the symbol was borrowed, and over time, our memory was formatted by Christianization so that we began to forget everything, but what was stolen from us before associate with your roots.
        1. Ka3ak
          Ka3ak 5 May 2014 19: 26
          -2
          That's what I said about these fables. So Ukrainians turned into mankurts and made to hate Russians.
          So we want to make of us that ...
          In order to format something, you need to have it. In addition to fantasies, alas, we do not have a single written or oral source about the history of the Slavic tribes and their great worldview formatted by Christianity. But the fact that they were not Russians is obvious. The Russian ethnic group takes shape after the baptism of Russia.
          And we also have great pride, and pseudo-historical crafts of the 20th century like the Veles book.
          Are you saying that Christianity has formatted historical memory? Christianity carries with it a set of such great ideas that can philosophically explain our rational free existence, that I would marvel at the value that was formatted, do you have any ideas?
      3. SVAROGE
        SVAROGE 5 May 2014 10: 47
        +9
        The author’s story of Russia begins with his grandfather .... MARASM !!!
    3. SVAROGE
      SVAROGE 5 May 2014 10: 45
      +4
      Mostly not muddy, but numb!
      They are trying to knead the great idea of ​​NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS with the ideas of fascism ...!
      Along the way, the author took a pseudonym ...! It smells of "kortavost" ...))
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 5 May 2014 11: 15
        +6
        Tell me about how you associate Kolovrat with the "Great idea of ​​NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS"
        1. Ka3ak
          Ka3ak 5 May 2014 19: 29
          0
          And I will take on this mission:
          Just as Russians associate in the minds of Ukrainians, this Finno-Tatar people, completely alien to Ukrainians, eager to rule over the poor Ukrainians, the heirs of Russia.
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      3. Ka3ak
        Ka3ak 5 May 2014 19: 27
        0
        Good evening, but what kind of idea?
        And how does the idea of ​​NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS of Russians relate to the Kolovrat?
    4. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 5 May 2014 11: 14
      +6
      Muddy article.
      I agree. The presentation is chaotic and bulky. The position of the author is not clear: either he scolded the swastika, or defends it. It seems all the same a positive message in the article. But so stated ...
      request
      Is it something to spread such multi-volume comments on such scribbling as on medieval theological treatises? And then comments on comments, etc.? The article minus the unambiguous for the above.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 5 May 2014 11: 20
        +11
        the author writes that it’s ridiculous for him to look at the imbeciles of skinheads who cannot put 2 + 2 in their minds, but they put themselves up as experts in the field of history.

        They begin to tell everyone that they are not fascists but nationalists and so on. (this is a common story of such characters)

        Draw on themselves drawings that their great-grandfathers and grandfathers did not draw on themselves.

        In general, do not shine with the mind - 100 out of 100

        The story of Rodnoverie is also a cesspool. Rodnovers blia) And look at these characters - and they are really all funny. Chatted here with one hairy hipar 40 years from birth, I say Rodnover. I believe in Perun - Putin is an enemy, I am for anarchy, we do not need a state, and so on.
        You look at him and think that you are 40 years old and you are still t * sing. And already you will bring up children - these characters grow plankton for the sharks of capitalism, which you can even lure into a sect, and squeeze out an apartment under beautiful slogans, and instill love in the swastika, saying that it was 1000 years ago, so the guy - the red star and the Orthodox cross are not all that. That Kolovrat is all.

        And all this hat came to the Russian Federation along with various sects in the 90s. All this poured into our territory, witnesses of the Egovs, Rodnovers, Baptists, etc. appeared.

        There was a lot of literature, books, new bibles, a bunch of articles on the Internet - thematic sites - people began to haul. Remember)) their roots and so on.

        Give me control of media resources and people will believe they come from "add as you please".
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 5 May 2014 11: 33
          +8
          If in a nutshell about these sects and trends - the CIA will help you remember the roots and your true destiny good
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            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 5 May 2014 15: 00
              +2
              Sources search excavations for whole expeditions. And what idiots are looking for on the Internet is all the lyrics. I am writing to this.

              And I also mentioned the CIA for a reason. Look at the time when this current began to pedal (I don’t know in the USSR how it was with the Rodnovs, but now there are too many of them), it coincides with the arrival of sects (egovs, etc.) in the country, which, as has been repeatedly proved, are CIA projects. All of their headquarters are in the United States.

              It’s not just that after raising the curtain, Rodnoverie came to our land (all of a sudden, at 91, and the Vedas remembered and began to interpret them just as suddenly (it just became fashionable)

              In Ukraine, they are also now looking for the origins, and now they have found it - in the end it turned out that MOVA formed the basis of Latin, supposedly if it weren’t for great humiliation and there would be no Latin. So when people (far from professionals) who are unemployed from idleness begin to suffer from searches, and such incidents happen. Leave this to historians.

              Want the truth about pre-Christian time? Forward with a shovel to the excavation site. Novgorod and so on. It will take a long time to dig the truth, because we are talking about millennia, and our diggers still haven’t dug everything from the Second World War.
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                1. Ka3ak
                  Ka3ak 5 May 2014 20: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: vladsolo56
                  I’ll be back again, to the beginning of my thoughts, do not want to unite the Russian people, no, you want to take power in an elementary way, and all those who are not with you all to be written down as enemies.

                  I apologize for interfering, but dear, they told you in direct Russian that if you want ancient Russian culture, then you are welcome to dig into the expedition, or to record the still living village tradition on the expedition, or rummage through the sources in the archives.
                  And to fantasize the destiny of weak and proud minds.
                  And you apparently did not understand anything ... It's sad.
                2. builder
                  builder 5 May 2014 21: 58
                  +1
                  Petrov expressed his point of view (it seems to me that she is true).
                  In my opinion, the Kolovrat is a compromise before the swastika.
                  1. Ka3ak
                    Ka3ak 5 May 2014 22: 31
                    0
                    The question, of course, is not a symbol, I think, but what people put into it.
                    Modern science fiction neopagans ... Obvious evil. Because they lie, replacing the real roots of the people with their fantasies.
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            3. Ka3ak
              Ka3ak 5 May 2014 19: 46
              +1
              Quote: vladsolo56
              If a person is sure that Russia began only with Orthodoxy, then how will he explain that the calendar in Russia before Peter totaled 5 thousand years. Where have they divided these millennia?

              The tradition of counting the date from the creation of the world is also a Christian tradition.

              Quote: vladsolo56
              But the difference is that the Rodnovers are looking for the origins of Rus before baptism, while the Orthodox completely deny any pre-Christian Russian culture. And let's ask ourselves why?

              The difference is that some people, with their dirty passionate minds, start to engage in science fiction and pass this off as Russian roots, most likely without knowing their great-grandfathers even up to the 5th generation.
              And all this from the fact that a living Russian tradition has died. Following the Russian community, this happened in the 70s of the 20th century. Died Russian peasant living culture left. But science fiction cannot be stopped.
              Every culture has a carrier. But there are no pre-Christian written sources, no oral sources. But it doesn’t matter.
              But there is a fantasy, we multiply it by pride and here is your kindred faith.

              There was a time when there were no Russians. There is nothing shameful about this. Each nation has its own role on earth. There were tribes, certainly ethnically related, but not the people. The Russian people as a community formed 9-11 centuries. Igor, what do you think just collected tribute from the ancient Slavic tribes. The merging process has not been completed. So they collected tribute both from the Slavs and from the Finno-Ugric peoples. The Russian people formed from this mixture because of internal and external unity. The internal was ensured by Orthodoxy, the external princely power.
              That is why any fantasies not built on historical sources must be denied as infection. Because it’s just that this gloom obscures the truly preserved Russian culture, traditions and customs. Replacing them with the fantasies of pseudo-historians.
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        3. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 5 May 2014 12: 00
          +4
          the author writes that it’s ridiculous for him to look at the imbeciles of skinheads who cannot put 2 + 2 in their minds, but they put themselves up as experts in the field of history.
          The author can write about everything that he wants. But if he wants to be read and understood by his point of view, then express his thoughts clearly.
          hi
          And he will be happy.
        4. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          Mihaylo Tishayshiy 5 May 2014 12: 09
          +12
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          the author writes that it’s ridiculous for him to look at the imbeciles of skinheads who cannot put 2 + 2 in their minds, but they put themselves up as experts in the field of history.

          That the author writes - able to read - yes he will read! Moreover, the meaning of the article perfectly reflects the title.
          I am a Slav, and I do not renounce the symbols of my ancestors, although now they are of purely academic interest to me. To associate "Kolovrat" with "swastika" and on the basis of this to reject it is nonsense. And when the fascists put on armbands with a "hammer and sickle" on their sleeves - we will also throw this symbol into the dustbin of history ?! Why fantasize? Have you seen the "St. George" ribbons on those scoundrels who killed people in Odessa? And in the pictures of those events, such flickers. This is a provocation? So what, after all - there were! So let's get this symbol for scrap too! And this is no longer stupidity, but nonsense!
          So don't muddy the waters! The swastika is the swastika. And our symbols are our symbols. "Kolovrat" - gone (historical), "sickle and hammer" - outgoing (perhaps not for long), "St. George's ribbon" - returned (revived), as we see the symbols tend to leave, but return. And if we scatter our symbols, then soon we will have only "money" symbols - "dollar", "euro", "ruble", etc. Article minus.
          1. BIGLESHIY
            BIGLESHIY 5 May 2014 13: 57
            +3
            Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy

            That the author writes - able to read - yes he will read! Moreover, the meaning of the article perfectly reflects the title.
            I am a Slav, and I do not renounce the symbols of my ancestors, although now they are of purely academic interest to me. To associate "Kolovrat" with "swastika" and on the basis of this to reject it is nonsense. And when the fascists put on armbands with a "hammer and sickle" on their sleeves - we will also throw this symbol into the dustbin of history ?! Why fantasize? Have you seen the "St. George" ribbons on those scoundrels who killed people in Odessa? And in the pictures of those events, such flickers. This is a provocation? So what, after all - there were! So let's get this symbol for scrap too! And this is no longer stupidity, but nonsense!
            So don't muddy the waters! The swastika is the swastika. And our symbols are our symbols. "Kolovrat" - gone (historical), "sickle and hammer" - outgoing (perhaps not for long), "St. George's ribbon" - returned (revived), as we see the symbols tend to leave, but return. And if we scatter our symbols, then soon we will have only "money" symbols - "dollar", "euro", "ruble", etc. Article minus.

            That's right Quiet and let me add.
            Kolovrat can be found now on carved wooden architecture houses (built 100-200 years ago) and in churches too (I saw it myself but I don’t remember which one).
            Americans use their technology to paint the stars so that we gloss over. Maybe someday, after a hundred or two hundred years, and the Kolovrat will return to us, who knows, but it will not be a fascist sign, I'm sure.
            And the article is more like a bunch in the water.
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      3. Nogicune
        Nogicune 5 May 2014 17: 07
        +2
        provocation, he wanted to pit
        1. DS22
          DS22 6 May 2014 03: 33
          +2
          Kolovrat is one of the symbols of the Russian people, and if it was used by some kind of hacking hooks for their own purposes, this does not mean that it has lost its sacred content for our people! The article is a clear minus for distorting the facts and the lack of a balanced approach!
  5. Varyg
    Varyg 5 May 2014 09: 25
    +9
    Someone needs it.
    And someone for all FSUs.
    No need to speak for everyone.
    I agree with the Geologist, the article blah blah blah
    1. Eugeniy_369k
      Eugeniy_369k 5 May 2014 09: 38
      +7
      Quote: Varyg
      I agree with the Geologist, the article blah blah blah

      The author expressed his opinion, and went too far with the Kolovrat, what is paganism again? I am Orthodox.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 5 May 2014 10: 04
        +14
        Quote: Eugeniy_369k
        The author has expressed his opinion, but he has gone too far with the kolovrata, what is paganism again? I am Orthodox.

        Orthodoxy retains many of the customs and faces of the gods of the pre-Christian era of the Slavs. So do not deny it! And the article, yes, bullshit!
        1. Eugeniy_369k
          Eugeniy_369k 5 May 2014 10: 54
          +4
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          faces of the gods of the pre-Christian era of the Slavs. So do not deny it!

          I do not consider myself an ideal Orthodox Christian (I sin crying ), but to whom what, but for me God is one.
          1. Children BuryKonya
            Children BuryKonya 5 May 2014 10: 56
            -3
            One who? Father, son or spirit?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 5 May 2014 11: 00
              +3
              Quote: Children Bury the Horse
              One who? Father, son or spirit?

              Without words, I just leave you an email fool
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 5 May 2014 11: 14
                +2
                Greetings, Sasha!
                Quote: Children Bury the Horse
                One who? Father, son or spirit?

                ... or the Horse? Well, if the "oldnovers" ...
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Without words, I just leave you an email

                Just think about "nick". Yes, you're right ... It's either good or without words...
                And the smiley is appropriate like this -
              2. Children BuryKonya
                Children BuryKonya 5 May 2014 11: 18
                -4
                Yanimagu minya already triset (s), thought that the New Testament is not aware of the true trinitarian statements.
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah 5 May 2014 13: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Children Bury the Horse
                  Yanimagu minya already triset

                  You have a fever, Philip Philipych. Take Quinine (C20H24N2O2) and go to bed (alone) ...
                  Otherwise, you will have to "Bury the Horse" ...
                  1. Children BuryKonya
                    Children BuryKonya 5 May 2014 14: 05
                    0
                    Excuse me, even Schweik refused to be treated with quinine - an incredible muck. A diagnosis on the Internet is, of course, progressive. You probably have a ton of talent.
            2. Ptah
              Ptah 5 May 2014 11: 01
              +3
              God is One, but in three faces. That is why Christianity is also referred to as the MONOtheistic religion.

              But while "ChildrenBury the Horse" they have no time even to read. It would be better "DetiDeeliKonya" ...
            3. Eugeniy_369k
              Eugeniy_369k 5 May 2014 11: 09
              +1
              Quote: Children Bury the Horse
              One who? Father, son or spirit?

              Monotheism - A system of religious beliefs based on the idea of ​​the unity of the deity, of the one God
              All three Persons of the Trinity exist in complete unity, which creates the world, provides for and sanctifies it.
              Quote: Children Bury the Horse
              or spirit?

              Dove mlyn ... "eritik" do not blaspheme laughing laughing laughing
              1. Children BuryKonya
                Children BuryKonya 5 May 2014 11: 38
                -3
                Burn me in hell fire, but it's better than walking in the garden and crunching apples.
                1. Eugeniy_369k
                  Eugeniy_369k 5 May 2014 17: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Children Bury the Horse
                  Burn me in the fiery hell

                  - Note, Ivan Arnoldovich, only landowners who are not cut by the Bolsheviks eat cold snacks and soup. A little self-respecting person operates hot snacks.
                  drinks
      2. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 5 May 2014 10: 09
        +5
        Actually, the article is very timely. And I did not go too far with the Kolovrat, given its application under article. The Rodnovers generally have a significant part of the history of fantasy, to which this has led the great ukrov we already know. What was in ancient centuries behind a dense veil of time, we need to remember what there are still witnesses to.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 5 May 2014 10: 33
          +4
          Quote: Yuri Ya.
          what it led to great ukrov we already know
          Everyone here saw how our neo-pagans were foaming, trying to present Orthodoxy as an anti-popular religion, and Putin as an enemy of the people. If these views won, would Russia become stronger? Would we be more united? I am sure that the information victory of the neo-pagans would only lead to the disunity and weakening of our multinational country, the disunity of the Russians would be especially strong. Therefore, on Bolotnaya Square, nationalist tricolors flashed interspersed with the rainbow flags of the liberals. Therefore, they support the Ukrainian Bandera, for they are fed, most likely, with cookies alone, from the same "kind" hands.
        2. SVAROGE
          SVAROGE 5 May 2014 10: 51
          +4
          Do not knead everything in one trough, my friend!
          You still start to put the current "piercing" of the Maidan on a par with the National Patriots ...
          1. Yuri Y.
            Yuri Y. 5 May 2014 11: 37
            +3
            Down and Out trouble started. Current Ukrainian nationals could not appear from scratch. It was necessary to start with something. I remember a video from YouTube when, somewhere in the forest, youngsters in the forest train under a national, in this case, sauce. And how did it end? The joy of the killing, often of their nationality. So for sincere Rodnovers there is a danger (and real) to slide (as an organization, not of faith) to banal fascism. They were sent there, not the fact that this is not with us. The thought leads me to this - where did they all come from. The official version in accordance with the logic of the concerned person. It’s clear the search, the pyrrhic pyra and still.
          2. Stanislas
            Stanislas 5 May 2014 12: 25
            +1
            Quote: SVAROGE
            You still start to put the current "piercing" of the Maidan on a par with the National Patriots ...
            That's where Natsik, on a par with the skewers, ended up without my help themselves. Although it is unpleasant for them to recall this ...
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      3. skullcap
        skullcap 5 May 2014 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: Eugeniy_369k
        The author has expressed his opinion, but he has gone too far with the kolovrata, what is paganism again? I am Orthodox.

        Well, if you are such an Orthodox, then maybe you need to organize the destruction of the swastikas on the images of Christian saints on the icons? For example, in the Assumption Cathedral of the Kremlin. I was there once on an excursion, and with my own eyes I saw swastikas embroidered on the clothes of some saints.
        And in Samarkand, I also saw with my own eyes the swastika tiled on the pediment of a mosque in Registan.
        It may be necessary to remove all these swastikas (for complete eradication — along with the cathedrals, and the Kremlin, and the Registan — along with Samarkand), so as not to disturb your established vision of the swastika as an exclusively fascist prerogative?
        By the way, global tolerastov do just that. In the textbooks of ancient history placed distorted images of artifacts (specifically - amphorae), on which there are no images of swastikas, located on real artifacts. This is the triumph of the world official historical science.
        Or will we still study history in its entirety, and not only from 17, as ardent revolutionaries of the last century demanded at gunpoint? And, all the more, not from 91, as progressive liberasts want.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 5 May 2014 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: kosopuz
          Well, if you are SUCH an Orthodox, then maybe you need to organize the destruction of swastikas on images of Christian saints on icons?

          What for? Why else "organize some kind of struggle", and, in your words, "destruction"?
          Anyone who is able to think adequately understands what Swastik images can mean in specific situations. And the church is very conservative in such matters as ancient symbols. And these "images" appeared long before the Hitler period.
          The church fights against hatred, and not against symbols. Neither denies, but magnifies either the swastika or the Kolovrat. Period of history. Mostly very sad. No more...
      4. skullcap
        skullcap 5 May 2014 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Eugeniy_369k
        The author has expressed his opinion, but he has gone too far with the kolovrata, what is paganism again? I am Orthodox.

        Well, if you are such an Orthodox, then maybe you need to organize the destruction of the swastikas on the images of Christian saints on the icons? For example, in the Assumption Cathedral of the Kremlin. I was there once on an excursion, and with my own eyes I saw swastikas embroidered on the clothes of some saints.
        And in Samarkand, I also saw with my own eyes the swastika tiled on the pediment of a mosque in Registan.
        It may be necessary to remove all these swastikas (for complete eradication — along with the cathedrals, and the Kremlin, and the Registan — along with Samarkand), so as not to disturb your established vision of the swastika as an exclusively fascist prerogative?
        By the way, global tolerastov do just that. In the textbooks of ancient history placed distorted images of artifacts (specifically - amphorae), on which there are no images of swastikas, located on real artifacts. This is the triumph of the world official historical science.
        Or will we still study history in its entirety, and not only from 17, as ardent revolutionaries of the last century demanded at gunpoint? And, all the more, not from 91, as progressive liberasts want.
  6. rasputin17
    rasputin17 5 May 2014 09: 26
    +5
    Like it or not, fascism in a different guise and with a different sauce !! Moreover, many of these national patriots are sponsored in the same way as the fifth column from various foreign funds and the end result is everywhere the sponsors pursue one !!! And all this poisonous tinsel is designed for the brainlessness and stupidity of the unenlightened populace who are ready to harass any d.ep.su under a beautiful wrapper !!
  7. Humpty
    Humpty 5 May 2014 09: 27
    +3
    There are many, where in the past there was an image of a Kolovrat, and what? Draw it on your forehead and be moved by the realization of your "own greatness"? Surely, one of the very distant ancestors went naked. Following this logic, you can dump on the street. outward to feel the "connection of times", until the first cop or the first adequately responding person you meet.
  8. COBA
    COBA 5 May 2014 09: 30
    +16
    The ancient Vedic symbol was deliberately perverted and made fascist. This was done by the Masons and their sponsors from TNCs.
    It is necessary to face the truth. If we do not return the true meaning to these symbols, and that means telling the TRUTH, then the very backstage of the world will push the fraternal Slavic peoples against their foreheads through fascism.
    1. SVAROGE
      SVAROGE 5 May 2014 10: 53
      +3
      GOLD WORDS!!!!!!!
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 5 May 2014 11: 41
      +11
      It is necessary to face the truth. If we do not return the true meaning to these symbols, which means saying
      Well? Well returned so what? For a normal educated person and in Soviet times, it was no secret that the swastika is an ancient solar symbol, appropriated (although not, not appropriated and chosen) by German Nazis as its emblem. I was informed about this at school. And not in the secret intelligence school of the KGB-NKVD-OGPU. And in the most ordinary Soviet school from a provincial district center.
      And that different types of this symbol have been found in sooo many peoples for millennia.
      What do you want to proclaim with your statement on the return of true values?
      What is the swastika - an ancient solar symbol? So this is not news to anyone (for people with a normal education, and not for shkolota). Yes it's true. Symbol ... of the sun. For the ancient peoples of Eurasia.
      Or that this symbol, I'm sorry, was dealt by by the German Nazis? So it’s also true. For them, it was also a symbol. And they everywhere crowed about paganism, sun worship, about the ancient Germanic symbol. And they didn’t lie either - the Old Germans also used this symbol. What is the perversion of the symbol? In the Nazis? Separate flies from cutlets. And then you can reach complete insanity.
      The same SS troops did their best to use the standards and eagles in the manner of the Roman signs of the legions. And much more was used.

      You better give normal education to children and teach them to think. So that when they saw the swastika in the museum on an ancient bowl, they understood that this was not an ancient fascist cup and that they did not try to beat museum windows in holy fury.
      And when they saw a scumbag in the form of a military with a swastika on the street, they did not touch and did not think that it was a 2-4 thousand-year-old Aryan who had risen from the grave and decided to preach the truth about ancient cults to his descendants. And they did not try to imitate such a scumbag.
      1. aleks77
        aleks77 5 May 2014 12: 19
        +2
        Quote: abrakadabre
        You better give normal education to children and teach them to think. So that when they saw the swastika in the museum on an ancient bowl, they understood that it was not an ancient fascist goblet and that they didn’t try to beat museum windows in holy fury. A 2-thousand-year-old Aryan who decided to preach to his descendants the truth about ancient cults. And they did not try to imitate such a scumbag.

        Huge + he wanted to write something like that, but you have it more clearly, you can’t say better!
      2. Barmal
        Barmal 5 May 2014 18: 06
        +1
        the most accurate tracts for the article, the author could not do this, you could!
  9. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 5 May 2014 09: 30
    +7
    Now I’ll take off the cross and go dancing around the stump fool Any more comments?
    1. Ratibor
      Ratibor 5 May 2014 10: 05
      +1
      Beat your brow then on the floor
      1. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 5 May 2014 10: 21
        +8
        Ruslan, Jura, do not swear please do not humiliate the faith and beliefs of each other. The main thing is that you are both Russian. I believe that if something happened - both Ruslan and Yura-Ratibor will help each other and will cover so that the enemy does not hit in the back.
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      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 5 May 2014 13: 26
        +1
        But you don’t need to go over to personality. Less to you.
        1. Stump
          Stump 5 May 2014 13: 48
          -1
          Pfff)) and what's the use of this picture? or after its display Judeo-Christianity ceased to be so?
          Minus? do not care, give two)
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 5 May 2014 14: 25
            +3
            Quote: Tree Stump
            give two)

            Well, if you so coquettishly beg for ....
            Catch immediately more. fellow
            The sooner we start, the faster we finish ...
            1. Stump
              Stump 5 May 2014 15: 44
              -2
              it would be better to learn etiquette, someone was talking to you)? Or in each ope gag?
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        2. Ptah
          Ptah 5 May 2014 13: 50
          +1
          Quote: Corsair0304
          Then (including now) with a cross on their chests they also defended and protect their land
          1. does it
            does it 5 May 2014 15: 18
            -2
            Quote: Ptah
            Ptah (4) Today, 13:50 ↑ New
            Quote: Corsair0304
            Then (including now) with a cross on their chests they also defended and protect their land

            I found with whom the singer is a millionaire and a simple worker! Religion has nothing to do with it.
        3. Ka3ak
          Ka3ak 5 May 2014 20: 21
          +1
          Fedya well done!) A rare example of a strong spirit with a strong body !!! Although it is very in Russian :)
    3. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 5 May 2014 13: 20
      +3
      Why remove the cross and dance around the stump? From the great mind? Well, there was a Kolovrat in Russia, our ancestors believed in it, it was applied to shields, weapons and defended their land. Then (and now including) with a cross on their chests they also defended and protect their land. So what is wrong that revives interest in the past of his people? The Nazis used the swastika as a demonstration of selectness, neo-Nazi - the same thing. However, it is not in them the strength, not in the shaven-headed imbeciles, which replace concepts and use for their own purposes. And here are the symbols ?? read about pope Alexander VI, who bore the cross. In Rome, there are still excursions called the Apothecary of Satan. Rome of Pope Alexander VI Borgia. ” There they carry along all the palaces belonging to him and his son Cesare, along the embankments from which people poisoned and slaughtered by this couple were dumped into the Tiber. The places where they had orgies. Including for three, together with the daughter of one and sister of the second Lucretia. And what because of this freak cross take off ?? I guess not.
      I believe that the Kolovrat should be present in our history along with the cross, since as a symbol it does not entail anything bad.
  10. individual
    individual 5 May 2014 09: 32
    +11
    Hitler also had a Kolovrat, but the USSR / Russia named after him inserted SUCH BOLT, that even the thread did not comply!
    1. does it
      does it 5 May 2014 15: 20
      0
      Quote: individ
      Hitler also had a Kolovrat, but the USSR / Russia put in THIS BOLT that they didn’t even observe the thread!

      But THIS BOLT! cost the lives of millions of our citizens.
  11. tomket
    tomket 5 May 2014 09: 33
    -1
    Bah !!! Yes, here the Slovenians began to catch up !!!! Now they will remember about the faith of the ancestors, about the fact that Christianity - the Jewish religion was imposed. So my dear slovenians, how many did you see the Natsiks who burned people under the banners and faces of Christ? Huh? Did not see? But every scum that burned people who love it considers itself a purebred ukro, whose ancestor was Mazepa, no less. so put your Kolovrat in your ass if it makes cattle out of people who in this way find their national roots, self-identity, and the faith of ancestors.
    1. Ratibor
      Ratibor 5 May 2014 09: 45
      +8
      The Inquisition burned, I did not forget the Crusades, and Russia was baptized with fire and a sword
      1. Orik
        Orik 5 May 2014 09: 51
        -1
        Quote: Ratibor
        The Inquisition burned, I did not forget the Crusades, and Russia was baptized with fire and a sword

        You are the sixth column, it is not for nothing that the nationalists came out with the swamps. Orthodox Russia until the end of centuries, then the end of the world will finally disappear.
        1. Ratibor
          Ratibor 5 May 2014 10: 24
          +6
          Orthodoxy is the Glory of the Right of Peace of our Gods and Our Ancestors, and the faithful Christians in some old documents of Peter's and Pre-Petrine times they call themselves that. The Christians called themselves Orthodox because the Old Faith of Our Ancestors could not be burned out and they had to adapt (see the holidays) to take control of the masses.
          1. Orik
            Orik 5 May 2014 10: 36
            0
            Quote: Ratibor
            Orthodoxy is the Glory of the Right of Peace of our Gods and Our Ancestors, and the faithful Christians in some old documents of Peter's and Pre-Petrine times they call themselves that. The Christians called themselves Orthodox because the Old Faith of Our Ancestors could not be burned out and they had to adapt (see the holidays) to take control of the masses.

            I will answer once to your nonsense. ORTHODOX means the CORRECTLY GLORIOUS GOD, unlike the Catholic and other heretics and schismatics.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 5 May 2014 11: 03
              +2
              Orthodox from the word ruleif you didn’t know. And how can God be praised correctly, and how not right?
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 5 May 2014 11: 09
                +1
                Tracing paper with Greek. ὀρθοδοξία - literally “correct judgment”, “correct teaching” or “correct praising”.
                The term appears as an antonym to the word “heterodoxia”, which denoted “other,” or non-church, theological views of various heretics and those teachers whose opinions the Church rejected for any reason. In the Christian context, the word "Orthodoxy" is already found in the writings of apologists of the II century.
            2. Ratibor
              Ratibor 5 May 2014 11: 45
              0
              and whom God you praise correctly
            3. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 5 May 2014 11: 57
              +2
              Orthodoxy is the Glory of the Law of the world of our bright Gods and Ancestors

              So! Stand, be afraid !!! Shkolota! You should at least look into smart books for proforma for self-education. And do not flog the bullshit ...

              The term ORTHODOX is a direct translation from Greek ORTHODOX. By the way, if this word is translated into Latin, then it will sound like a Catholic.

              Especially for the ignoramus I repeat:

              The western branch of the Christian church is called in Latin as the Roman Catholic (and other, other ... long name)
              The eastern (consider Constantinople) branch is called IN GREEK as, for example, the Constantinople (or Russian) ORTHODOX (and other, other ... full name is also long).

              BOTH of these options literally translates into Russian as <Inamearek> ORTHODOX Church.

              It is understandable, everyone considers his version the most correct canon.
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 5 May 2014 15: 41
                +1
                Quote: abrakadabre
                ORTHODOX is a direct translation from Greek ORTHODOX. By the way, if this word is translated into Latin, then it will sound like a Catholic
                There will be no difference between the Latin word "Catholic" in the Greek translation, for the Latin catholicismus (Catholicism) comes from the Greek καθολικός - "universal"; in Russian translation "Catholic Church" means the universal church.
                1. Ka3ak
                  Ka3ak 5 May 2014 22: 56
                  +1
                  We believe in the catholic church. This is in the symbol of faith: conciliar.
                  You are right.
              2. Ratibor
                Ratibor 5 May 2014 18: 00
                0
                Money does not hide !!! Academician

                ORTHODOXY - (from Greek orthodoxes orthodox) English. orthodoxy; him. Orthodoxie. Encyclopedia of Sociology
                Scientist tell me what Nikon was doing in his reforms not only how he was baptized (three fingers or two fingers), they still rewrote books ... wise guy
            4. does it
              does it 5 May 2014 15: 24
              -1
              Quote: Orik
              I will answer once to your nonsense. ORTHODOX means RIGHT BLESSING GOD, unlike Catholic and other heretics and schismatics.

              It's like; "Long live OAO RPC"?
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 5 May 2014 23: 30
                +1
                Let's have something fresher ... This has already been pretty pretty. hi
      2. Ka3ak
        Ka3ak 5 May 2014 22: 54
        +2
        "Numb and sword", sorry, but this is fantasy.
        Paganism is a surprisingly secular religion; it does not contain an ideological core. There is no theology in it.
        In essence, it is everything on everything: tradition + a sacred element that spills syncretically throughout the life of society. That is, you put up a house - a ritual. Moving a ritual. You go to war is a ritual.
        This feature made it possible to adopt Christianity relatively peacefully (relatively) to most European nations. I studied from sources the adoption of Christianity in Scandinavia.
        The fact is that since the sacred is spilled over all social life and merged with it. The most important person in public life is the prince, king. With its effectiveness, it was considered the owner of some good luck - evidence of its sacred power. If he is a talented military leader and victory with him, then the gods are with him. I remind you that in paganism the gods were not ABSOLUTE. They did not even control their fate. ROCK oars over all of them. Which determined everything.
        So the lucky prince accepting a new faith caused enormous cognitive dissonance in the minds of the pagans, for this reason in fact, I see that there were no mass protests against Vladimir in Russia. The king of Norway before he was killed by bonds, managed to mess up.
        And Prince Vladimir was not a timid dozen, took idols dropped into the Dnieper, seeing such an insult and absolute impunity of the prince from the sacred world, people went after the prince.
        In addition, the human soul strives for Truth. From a philosophical point of view, this path was completely unjustified in the pagan system.
        This is another reason why our ancestors accepted the Christian faith.
        Well, the very ideological component of Christianity is not just a cut above the pagan, and does not go into comparison. The idea of ​​the Creator is a person, omnipotent, omniscient, beginningless, but the One who came and became a man and died for people and set an example to all people how to love, to the end and to the cross. And risen. All this is against the inexorable and senseless and without reasonable rock ... Agree to choose from nothing.
        I think so.
    2. Lexs81
      Lexs81 5 May 2014 09: 53
      +18
      The swastika as a symbol of Nazism is less than a hundred years old. And as a symbol of the sun, goodness and the endless movement of life in the universe - thousands of years. So which of the values ​​is more correct? If you follow your logic, then the rewritten false story has more rights to life than true, but forgotten.

      In the name of Christ, no less blood was shed on the earth, starting with the Crusades and the Inquisition. That's where people were burned.

      And it is not the Kolovrat that makes cattle out of people, but the directed, paid long-term propaganda of Western "friends".

      PS Slavs are written with "A", from the word praise, glorious.
      1. tomket
        tomket 5 May 2014 10: 00
        +1
        Slavs are like Saltykov-Shchedrin, because what the hell are the Slavs after the millennium of friendship of peoples.
      2. tomket
        tomket 5 May 2014 10: 02
        0
        The same Yuri Dolgoruky, half Saxon, is he a purebred Slav ???
        1. andj61
          andj61 5 May 2014 10: 50
          +2
          Quote: tomket
          The same Yuri Dolgoruky, half Saxon, is he a purebred Slav ???


          From Wiki:

          After 650 years, V.N. Tatishchev declared Yuri's birth date 1090, which makes him the son of the first wife of Vladimir Monomakh, the daughter of the last reigning Anglo-Saxon king Harold II, Gita of Wessex. However, the Gürgeva mother, about whom Vladimir Monomakh's “Instruction” speaks, died on May 7, 1107. This does not allow her to be identified with the Gita, who died on March 10, probably 1098. Thus, Yuri Vladimirovich could be the son of the second wife of his father Efimia and was born between 1095-1097 and 1102 years (the last date is the year of birth of his younger brother Andrei) [2].
          According to one version, his son Andrei Bogolyubsky was born around 1111, and the eldest son Rostislav Yuryevich, respectively, even earlier. It is unlikely that Yuri at this time could be less than 16-17 years old.


          So it’s hardly half sax. Rather, three-quarters of the Greek is a Greek grandmother, and mother Efimia is most likely Greek.
          But he is Russian by birth and upbringing.
      3. andj61
        andj61 5 May 2014 10: 41
        0
        Quote: Lexs81
        PS Slavs are written with "A", from the word praise, glorious


        This is in the modern language, and earlier, even 700 years ago - "Slovene".
      4. SVAROGE
        SVAROGE 5 May 2014 11: 00
        +2
        POWER IS IN THE TRUTH!!!!!
    3. SVAROGE
      SVAROGE 5 May 2014 10: 58
      +2
      If so to argue, then under the flag of Russia there are a sufficient number of bastards trying to destroy the consciousness and morality of the Russian people ... But this is not a reason: to put everyone in one shitty row !!!
      Therefore, relax and do not judge strictly ...!
    4. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 5 May 2014 13: 39
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      So my dear slovenians, how many did you see the Natsiks who burned people under the banners and faces of Christ? Huh? Did not see?


      ... A special zeal in the "fiery" struggle with heretics was shown by the English Queen Mary Tudor, who received the nickname Bloody, and the High Inquisitor of Spain Torquemada. According to the historian H.A. Llorente, over 18 years of activity of Torquemada, 8800 people ascended the bonfire. The first auto-da-fe on charges of witchcraft in Spain took place in 1507, the last in 1826. In 1481, in only one Seville 2 people were burnt alive.
      The bishop of Geneva burned 500 witches in three months; the bishop of Wamberg - 600, the bishop of Würzburg - 900. In 1586, the summer in the Rhine provinces was late and the cold lasted until June; it could only be a matter of witchcraft, and the bishop of Trier burned 118 women and 2 men. In 1227, as the chronicle says, in Novgorod, “there are four magi burned out”. When a plague epidemic broke out in Pskov in 1411, 12 women were immediately burned to death on charges of prompting the disease. The next year, mass burning of people took place in Novgorod. "

      The abovementioned Nazis were definitely not, but they burned them. Kolovrat, as a symbol, does not make people like cattle. It's just that everyone uses it for their own purposes, hiding behind them as "champions of the purity of the race."
    5. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 5 May 2014 13: 50
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      Bah !!! Yes, here the Slovenians began to catch up !!!!

      If this goes on, soon the word "Slavs" will become a household word. Very bad and very rude. Those who did not minus the Kolovrat, but this comment is a minus. Without denying Christianity, realizing that at the moment religion to some extent unites people, I respect my history and the Slavic symbols, because this is my story and the symbols of my ancestors. You don't need to mix everything in one heap, and confuse bull eggs with the northern lights.
      1. Ka3ak
        Ka3ak 5 May 2014 20: 19
        0
        Bah!) And what kind of Vedic Russian written sources are these in the advertisement?
        And what kind of Slavic wisdom? What kind of ideas?
        * draws in air through the nostrils *
        Fantasy smells in the air ...
  12. Vrvarius
    Vrvarius 5 May 2014 09: 34
    +1
    I’m afraid of such citizens. they have explanations for everything, often fantastic. despite the fact that for the most part these are not young people.
  13. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 May 2014 09: 34
    +2
    in fact, the swastika was once a positive sign. Svasti is good, and ka is the amplification of the word. Those. very good. but after Hitler it is a symbol of death and fascism. Forever and ever.
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 5 May 2014 13: 55
      +3
      Yes unfortunately. As well as the word "blue (e)" is now interpreted not as one of the colors. I like the blue sky and the cartoon "Blue Puppy" - also kind and bright. It's just that all sorts of gan..ny distort, give a negative meaning to many initially positive things and phenomena. Plus to you.
  14. Same lech
    Same lech 5 May 2014 09: 35
    +12
    TWO DANGEROUS INTERNAL ENEMIES FORMED FOR RUSSIA NOW .... this is Nazism and liberalism.
    Both of these enemies can unite in an effort to DESTROY RUSSIA and destroy US AS A PEOPLE.

    Therefore, the Criminal Code of RUSSIA must have specific terms for the propaganda of the destructive ideas of Nazism and Liberalism.
    Our enemies do not hesitate to use our weaknesses and our ignorance of history, politics, economics .... therefore, all sane people should learn to learn and study again.


    To confuse some kind of frenzied liberal or Nazi, you need to know the WORLD BETTER THAN.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 5 May 2014 10: 00
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Our enemies do not hesitate to use our weaknesses and our ignorance of history, politics, economics .... therefore, all sane people should learn to study and study again.


      Yes, yes ... You have to study. And not just learn, but LEARN !! Only first it is necessary to restore order in the Ministry of Education, to return the best, but forgotten. And to increase budgetary places in universities. And in "colleges" and generally canceled paid.
  15. robinzon_25rus
    robinzon_25rus 5 May 2014 09: 36
    +2
    "Learn the story! This is not a swastika! This is a symbol of the sun! It’s called Kolovrat!"

    Funny ..... No matter how moronic it may sound, but on the picture there is a thunderbolt .. Well, here is the Kolovrat:
    1. Ratibor
      Ratibor 5 May 2014 09: 47
      +4
      it's a fasc destroyer, not a kolovrat
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov 5 May 2014 11: 26
        +4
        Ratibor
        it's a fasc destroyer, not a kolovrat


        Absolutely.
        Symbol of destruction and self-destruction.
        Kolovrat - a symbol of the Sun, was indicated in yellow.
      2. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 5 May 2014 19: 29
        -1
        Quote: Ratibor
        it's a fasc destroyer, not a kolovrat

        Um ... SHIELD? I mean, what's the difference? Why breed extra entities? Do you live north of the equator? Become "facing the sun" - that is, face south. How does the sun move? Correctly from left to right. Now mentally travel south of the equator. Repeat the experiment. How does the sun move? That's right, from right to left.
        Conclusion: a swastika is a swastika - a symbol of the sun - regardless of the direction of the rays.
        But the "northern" swastika in a round white field on scarlet is already the flag of the Third Reich.
    2. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 5 May 2014 10: 28
      +5
      Quote: robinzon_25rus
      Funny ..... No matter how moronic it may sound, but on the picture there is a thunderbolt .. Well, here is the Kolovrat:

      As a matter of fact, the Kolovrat (swastika) is all-old an ancient sign, and nothing more! And the meaning is WE put in it! Each to the best of his own presentation!
      Nadnyakh, on an article about the deceased hero of the DPR I wrote: GLORY TO THE HEROES! But then I thought for a long time: did I put it right, since the Bandenists were able to defile the correct saying !!!! Then I remembered, on the building I regularly pass by, the inscription "Glory to the heroes of labor "And since I completely agree with her, Bandera is going on. for me the inscription: GLORY TO THE HEROES, a wonderful slogan, the best country-USSR !!!!
    3. washi
      washi 5 May 2014 11: 13
      +2
      Quote: robinzon_25rus
      Well, here is the Kolovrat:

      This is a Nazi swastika (counterclockwise movement).
      Kolovrat moves clockwise.
      Auto Nicholas 2
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 6 May 2014 06: 33
        +1
        Quote: Vasya
        Kolovrat moves clockwise.
        From the point of view of the observer standing in front of the machine. And from the point of view of Nicholas II sitting in the car - counterclockwise. So it is with the Sun.
    4. Ivan Tarasov
      Ivan Tarasov 5 May 2014 11: 16
      +2
      robinzon_25rus
      Funny ..... No matter how moronic it may sound, but on the picture there is a thunderbolt .. Well, here is the Kolovrat:

      The GP was preparing this symbolism for Russia at the beginning of the 20th century, there was a plan to make Russia the shock core, then, when the VP thwarted a plan for Russia - the GP realized it in Germany in the 30s.
      A true Kolovrat looks like this;
    5. Leah
      Leah 5 May 2014 11: 24
      +2
      All this swastika is mainly runic ligatures, consisting of separate runes superimposed on each other. Runes are different, including Slavic runes. I studied the runes a bit. Specifically, this symbol is a runic ligature, consisting of two runes of soul. Hitler was a mystic, with the help of these symbols he tried to magic))) He simply vulgarized these ancient symbols and thanks to him his actions and deeds, they are associated with fascism, extremely negatively.
      If we consider the interpretation of Germanic runes then:
      The magical application of this rune is directly related to its definitions as runes of victory, runes of power and runes of integrity. It is believed that the rune of Soul is able to direct a person or a created situation to gaining integrity. In addition, the rune Soul can help you clarify an obscure situation and push you to the right decision.
      Magically, the meaning of this rune is power, understood as the inseparable unity of the Force, “that which leads,” and the Power, “that which acts》
      Germanic runes »Rune Soul (Soul), Senior Futark
      The rune of victory, the rune of power and the rune of integrity. Some authors tend to define the rune of the Sun as the rune of the result, and in a certain sense it makes sense - indeed, integrity, a synthesis of opposites is the result of any movement. It also means creative energy.
      When I see "brave fellows" with a swastika - for me these are fascists and Nazis, but at the same time I realize that these are runes and some very bad radishes are just using them in the name of their not very good goals
    6. does it
      does it 5 May 2014 15: 28
      0
      Quote: robinzon_25rus
      Funny ..... No matter how moronic it may sound, but on the picture there is a thunderbolt .. Well, here is the Kolovrat:

      This is just plagiarism! Faded German Nazis Buddhists.
  16. varela
    varela 5 May 2014 09: 38
    +4
    Some nonsense about anything ...
    1. andrejwz
      andrejwz 5 May 2014 11: 52
      0
      Quote: varela
      Some nonsense about anything ...

      And this is the reverse side of the medal - "witch hunt". Teach a fool to pray, he will hurt his forehead.
  17. Bosk
    Bosk 5 May 2014 09: 38
    +4
    People are killed and burned not by symbols, but by the same people, and here it is already necessary to understand symbolism, there are two ways out or to turn the other cheeks or to beat according to the principle of "Eye for OKO", the east of Ukraine has already decided what to do, but other regions have more .. ...
  18. Vadim-Skeptic
    Vadim-Skeptic 5 May 2014 09: 38
    +2
    So for the rotifers - now what? To wear - not to wear? And if you wear, then what? To claim that the Kolovrat is irrelevant is outright nonsense. With the same success, it can be stated that the Great Patriotic War is irrelevant.
  19. 020205
    020205 5 May 2014 09: 40
    -2
    Yes, I came across such, faith in the family and in the god of the fart is certainly strong. And we are stupid believe in the God of the Jew! But these very Jews of Jesus Christ did not crucify out of great love
    1. Ratibor
      Ratibor 5 May 2014 10: 27
      +1
      why insult
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 5 May 2014 10: 41
      +3
      Quote: 020205
      believe in the god of the jew!

      1. And who claims this?
      2.And who benefits from declaring this way? The only thing - with the aim of exposing "his" people as a traitor.
      3.And where and sources direct reference to the nationality of Jesus? After all, an analysis of all the facts cited in the Gospels indicates just the opposite.

      Let's put it briefly. At the time of Christ, such a "nation" as the JEWS did not exist at all. This is a "collective image" of many tribes.
      The Father of Jesus Joseph is not his BLOOD FATHER (the Immaculate Conception as the basis for a miracle. Even recognized by Joseph).
      Mother Mary is a Galilean woman. Even according to the Jewish halakhah, when kinship is considered by the MOTHER - Christ - NOT JEWS!
      Quote: 020205
      faith in the clan and in the god of fart is certainly strong.

      laughing good
      But your own. Homegrown ts .... As an alternative to the Tolkienists ..... They have "Tolkun-Kniga", our "Childbirth, Vedas, Skins and Mopeds" ... request
  20. Michael_59
    Michael_59 5 May 2014 09: 41
    +2
    What is the article about?
    That the author is too lazy to open historical materials? See what is Kolovrat, salting, salting?
    That history should be known only a hundred or two years ago?
    For the recognition of the merits of our ancestors and the Soviet government in particular - "plus", for everything else - "minus".
    About nothing ...
    1. tomket
      tomket 5 May 2014 09: 50
      -2
      brains are not enough to connect one with the other? or you are taking an academic approach in everything7 Studied salting - oh how good, we become educated. These same academics have hammered the head of youth in Ukraine, now they recognize horseradish in us as one people since the time of Kievan Rus. they are brainwashed that they come from protoukrov. So with a Kolovrat your brains will be beaten. You will first study everything academically, and then practically practice the faith of the ancestors and their customs.
  21. mackonya
    mackonya 5 May 2014 09: 41
    +3
    And what symbols would not be used, it all depends on what is covered under these symbols, the essence of the "actions" is important here, and not what designation or display it carries. The crusade, too, as everyone knows, was covered with crosses (Christ the Savior).
  22. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 5 May 2014 09: 45
    -3
    How did popular fascism in the USSR begin, with a film about Stirlitz. The Nazis there are athletic, fit and in good shape, everything is clean and tidy. Now they are adapting fascism to Russia. Athletic, fit Slavs with strict blue eyes in a beautiful knee-length shirt, a sword, a ribbon on the forehead, cleanliness and order all around. Those who like it, but the specialists worked and everyone likes it, now they sing - but this is a completely different matter, this is a Kolovrat, and the article is muddy. Of course it's muddy, so the fascists in Ukraine believe that they are doing everything right and even more, they are doing a good job, and they have no swastika on their sleeves, but some kind of wolf-horseradish, and this is a completely different matter. When young people with a "Kolovrat" on their sleeves and sticks in their hands walk around Moscow, do not be surprised. At first, they will shout like a chock-get, a Caucasian-on a gilyak, but then everything will quickly fall into place, anyone who is not with us is against us, and very quickly they will have weapons. Further on, the country will indifferently go to work, and at this time a couple of thousand "Kolovratsev" will ride around the cities and cut people.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 5 May 2014 10: 06
      -2
      Quote: chunga-changa
      How fascism in the USSR began, with a film about Stirlitz. The fascists there are athletic, fit and in good shape, all around clean and tidy.


      This is a turn of thought !!! I'm in shock!
      I can agree with the rest, but this opus "omits" everything.

      I put a minus
      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 5 May 2014 10: 21
        0
        but pay attention - the German fascists - in any film - are clean, even in the trenches, all ironed, polished, washed and combed, with glamorous swastikas. and the Red Army men - dirty, unshaven, ragged
        1. Corsair0304
          Corsair0304 5 May 2014 16: 30
          +2
          Look at the chronicle, especially 43-45gg. There, exactly the opposite.
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 5 May 2014 10: 51
        +2
        Quote: nahalenok911
        I put a minus

        Me too ... to you. hi
        1. nahalenok911
          nahalenok911 5 May 2014 11: 24
          0
          Quote: Ptah
          Quote: nahalenok911
          I put a minus

          Me too ... to you. hi


          Your right! hi
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 5 May 2014 12: 00
            0
            Well, since such an opportunity, and the right was given to me by the admins and the construction of the site ...
            And now you "+". good For understanding and courtesy! drinks
    2. kashtak
      kashtak 5 May 2014 10: 35
      0
      then a natural response and in the end ordered a war? don't care paid
    3. kashtak
      kashtak 5 May 2014 10: 35
      -1
      then a natural response and in the end ordered a war? don't care paid
    4. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 5 May 2014 16: 27
      +1
      Not the fact that they will ride and cut people. Ask yourself why young, athletic people come together, put on masks / headbands and go out with bats? Perhaps this is a response to the fact that the Slavs were cut in the streets and slaughtered by the crowd?
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  24. Vladycat
    Vladycat 5 May 2014 09: 48
    +3
    And the article is subjective, not disclosing all aspects. I agree that there are more "historians" now than you probably need. But definitely one size fits all probably do not need to scratch. The concept of nationalism is very multifaceted, for example:
    "Big Encyclopedic Dictionary -" NATIONALISM "
    NATIONALISM, ideology and politics in the national question, the basis of which is the interpretation of the nation as the highest value and form of community. "
    and I think that there’s nothing wrong with that. There are also many negative definitions, which suggests that it is changing in our heads. One must have one’s head on one’s shoulders and when receiving any information, especially of this nature - do not forget that this is just the author’s point of view and not the ultimate truth. I know young people who, for understandable holidays only for them, dress up in Slavic shirts with embroidered kolovrats, welders and other symbols resembling a classic swastika. So what? Nationalists? Maybe, but they lead a healthy lifestyle, bad habits are most often absent, engage in active sports, they have the concept of honor and dignity and do not touch anyone. Russian Naziolism has always been distinguished by its tolerance for other peoples, as long as our laws are respected, on our land. Even now, when we are being poured with mud, we still feel sorry for many, and when we are beaten, we give change. It is very bad that in our history a whole layer of memories has been torn out that determined us as we were. We probably will never know how it was. But something was there - definitely soldier
    1. Iskander_ru39
      Iskander_ru39 5 May 2014 10: 00
      0
      What about chauvinism and Shiropaev Aleksei Alekseevich?
      1. Vladycat
        Vladycat 5 May 2014 10: 16
        +2
        Shiropaev Alexey Alekseevich is not familiar with his works. So he looked. Let what he wants and declare. Personally, I became an atheist (baptized) I must believe in myself :)
        1. Iskander_ru39
          Iskander_ru39 5 May 2014 11: 00
          +1
          Be sure to check out. And you will understand that the defenders of the fierce individualism in Zalesie and healthy liberalism are fed from one magic dish.
    2. alebor
      alebor 5 May 2014 10: 24
      +3
      Unfortunately, we do not have clear terminology. The word "nationalism" is interpreted by different people in completely different ways. Some positively, perceiving the term "nationalism" as an analogue of patriotism. Patriotism is love for your country, nationalism is love for your people. There is nothing wrong with either the first or the second, on the contrary, every decent person is a patriot and a nationalist (in the above sense). But many understand nationalism as a synonym for chauvinism and even fascism, as an ideology of dislike and even hatred towards other peoples. Probably, it is necessary to separate nationalism and ultranationalism. Extremes are always harmful. Patriotism, taken to the extreme, when it becomes ultra-patriotism, hurray-patriotism from a positive phenomenon turns into a negative, harmful and dangerous for the state. When a positive quality - nationalism turns into radical nationalism - it becomes just as harmful and dangerous as radical patriotism. Even in normal liberalism there is nothing wrong, liberalism protects the interests of the individual, his rights and freedoms. But when liberalism is taken to an extreme, it turns into a destructive force that destroys everything in its path - country, family, morality. So we often interpret the same term in completely different ways.
      It seems to me that a clearer terminology should be developed to distinguish good from bad, healthy from the patient. If nationalism is interpreted as a negative phenomenon, an analogue of fascism, then what word should we use to call a person who has nothing against other peoples, but who loves his people and advocates for the observance of his legitimate rights and interests?
      1. aleks77
        aleks77 5 May 2014 13: 29
        +2
        I agree, damn it. Any healthy feeling can be ruined to the point of absurdity, and vice can be elevated to the rank of virtue, which is what the West does. I have a positive attitude towards healthy nationalism, but I hate fascists.
        I do not like those who hate and betray the neighboring nations, and I hate those who hate and betray their own.
        It is one thing when they defend their right to freedom for themselves and those who surround you and it is quite another to impose it with another force, to force them to replace their beliefs and morality by calling it freedom.
        It is one thing when someone has their own opinion, customs, point of view, and quite another when they forcefully impose fagot, drugs, betrayal while depriving them of the right to simply refuse that you are unacceptable and monstrously hiding behind tolerance.
        And there is no need to mix Slavic, Russian, Orthodox and Soviet symbols - with Nazi, fascist, Bendery and Satanist brands.
      2. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 5 May 2014 16: 34
        0
        Quote: alebor
        Patriotism is love for one’s country, nationalism is love for one’s people. There is nothing wrong with either the first or the second, on the contrary, every decent person is a patriot and a nationalist (in the above meaning).
        It seems to me that a clearer terminology should be developed to distinguish good from bad, healthy from the patient. If nationalism is interpreted as a negative phenomenon, an analogue of fascism, then what word should we use to call a person who has nothing against other peoples, but who loves his people and advocates for the observance of his legitimate rights and interests?


        Totally agree with you. You can’t say better. + Deep respect to you hi
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  25. leo44
    leo44 5 May 2014 09: 51
    +3
    Here is how. I wonder how many people showed this blot in the middle of 40-s and received in response “not the reaction”, or, most likely, not the reaction, but something stronger? Butt hit or bullet in the forehead?


    These are all the consequences of the collapse of the USSR. The people do not have an acceptable ideology, and that’s what they are in for. Resting Buddha statue with a swastika. The Slavs are pagans. Many years ago, Russia moved away from paganism. Russia has long been Orthodox. Children draw a sun circle with rays - direct rays. Everyone who wants to revive paganism - perhaps, it is possible, they themselves do not understand where and who is trying to get them, so to speak. There is no need to cultivate what has already been completed. Paganism had its own cults, its own symbols, and returning to them 100% is tantamount to a rollback many centuries ago.
    1. Ivan Tucha
      Ivan Tucha 5 May 2014 10: 23
      +3
      You are a little mistaken, we have not departed from paganism, for centuries we have assimilated it with new realities, replacing many with new names. There are many examples of this. Explicit and graphic - Maslenitsa, do you like pancakes?
      They are right that returning to past symbols is, of course, utopia, but you don’t need to know or remember them either.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 5 May 2014 10: 59
        +1
        It’s still poorly said, the same Midsummer’s Day ... I don’t know how in Russia, but in Latvia, if on New Year’s he didn’t even drink champagne, then the neighbor will understand you, but let's say if Ivanov (Yankee’s local) day didn’t come kebab with pivusik then ... they will start to worry, because here, according to our rating, Midsummer's Day is several times more popular than the same Christmas and New Year's, and the funny thing is that the Latvian hymn begins with the words "God bless Latvia", then they still wonder why the country is in such a priest, but how could it be otherwise, every fifth or tenth goes to church, and that is mainly for show, and everyone celebrates a pagan holiday, such a sadness ...
    2. Leah
      Leah 5 May 2014 12: 14
      +3
      If some people want to become pagans and return to the faith of distant ancestors, this is their right. Each for himself must decide what to believe, who to be - Orthodox, Muslim, Buddhist or pagan or who else, this should not be imposed. At the same time, the state should observe and control the situation in order to prevent the emergence of various sects, where people are brainwashed and profit from it.
  26. ava09
    ava09 5 May 2014 09: 54
    +5
    Proceeding from the logic of some who strive to anathematize the swastika, our ancestors - the ancient Rus were all fascists? If Hitler appropriated the symbol of the revival of the sun and the life of the savage ideology he adopted, then we need to condemn our ancestors? We call our Vedas history, when I write "Rusy", Yandex's proofreader indicates that there is no such word. This is normal? Maybe all these filthy ideologies, like "Fascism", "Zionism", etc. and penetrated the consciousness of people due to the fact that we have forgotten the wisdom of our ancestors?
    1. Zenturion77
      Zenturion77 5 May 2014 10: 27
      -1
      There is not a word of condemnation to the ancestors in the article, but there is a hint that people who rehabilitate the Kolovrats and other attributes of antiquity often adhere to the right views, and this flirting with symbolism can again play an evil "schyutka" with people.
    2. Komisare
      5 May 2014 10: 32
      +1
      ava09, invalid output
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  27. svp67
    svp67 5 May 2014 09: 55
    +12
    Yes, the "swastika" is an ancient symbol of the sun and it was often used earlier, even on the money of the Russian Empire and the USSR,
    [img] http://ru-ham.ru/index.php?attachments/250-jpg.243/ [/ img]


    [img] http://photos.citywalls.ru/qphoto5-5704.jpg?mt=1287856198 [/ img]

    And as emblems


    but as always, the devil is in the details, and it is in the color ... our ancestors used different colors and red and gold colors when drawing, they were POSITIVE colors, but black ... The Nazi swastika is a symbol of the BLACK sun, and it not when people did not bring warmth and happiness ...
  28. kashtak
    kashtak 5 May 2014 09: 57
    +5
    thunder wheel kolovrat zig etc. ancient symbols, when I walk around the city and see a Celtic cross, and next to famous slogans, I understand that the one who mixed the history of the Motherland with r .... m smells like the right sector or the break and muddy
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  29. Ratibor
    Ratibor 5 May 2014 10: 02
    +2
    Article to put it mildly not competent
    If anyone is interested in Solar symbols read the Slavic-Aryan-Vedas Book of Light (second book)
  30. Sreben
    Sreben 5 May 2014 10: 08
    +3
    Strange article! And here Kolovrat or Kolo gate, it is not clear that many crimes were committed under the same cross. And the point is not in symbols, but in the mentality in the spirit of the people, if you understand the same Orthodox faith not far from Slavic paganism, often simply replacing pagan holidays with its own, well, it had more gold gloss. Even its name "Pravo Slav" was taken from paganism because there was no Orthodox Church in Byzantium and it was called differently. And the use of the swastika by the fascists is essentially the same as the use of the cross by the crusaders, they also carried the "word of the Lord" to the Arabs, and they tried to convey it to us. I will repeat once again that a symbol is only a symbol and only one does not need to row one size fits all.
  31. kashtak
    kashtak 5 May 2014 10: 10
    0
    Russia has formed dozens of peoples and tribes. Nationalism is for her a synonym for civil war who does not agree. See news on Ukraine. Freedom is possible only for all or for no one.
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  33. Giant thought
    Giant thought 5 May 2014 10: 11
    +6
    The Nazis can use any symbolism, if only more people can embrace their ideology. But the essence is that they remain unchanged, we know this and will fight against fascism until it completely disappears from our land.
  34. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 5 May 2014 10: 13
    +1
    What symbols to find fault do not understand?
  35. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 5 May 2014 10: 14
    +7
    Why deliberately confuse a swastika with a Kolovrat? Maybe the author will begin an attempt to seize the Kolovrat from Russian-Slavic, Finno-Ugric folklore? In my house bought three years ago, all the towels with his image, tablecloths and much more. No need to make a conscious substitution of concepts and symbols. To ensure that their indigenous symbols did not turn into a symbol of nationalists, it is necessary to give a normal history from school, and not two paragraphs about Kievan Rus. Then the youth will perceive age-old symbols reasonably, correctly. Nowadays, individual historical clubs are busy with history and their participants are more educated in the history of the period, archeology, folklore, ethnography than most of us or secondary school teachers, simply because they are not too lazy to read sources, compare facts, and reproduce elements of a costume with their own hands. Alas, these people are few and yes, many of them, having learned the reality of the past in studies and disputes, begin to lean toward nationalist ideas, knowing how distorted the history of our people is.
    Therefore, do not mix your age-old symbols with perverted mud.
  36. Svetlana
    Svetlana 5 May 2014 10: 16
    +10
    Let the patterns were worn once upon a time. But now for more than a century they are not relevant among our people. Creative, talented, strong and BUILDING Russian people!

    I do not see the relationship. This is some nonsense. The ancient Vedic symbols as they were and remain regardless of whether you understand their meaning or not. They cannot be relevant or not relevant in the same way as the sun itself and nature itself, which they depict, cannot be relevant or relevant. Most people today do not know the meaning of these symbols. And after the Second World War, in which the Nazis fought under them, they were generally banned at the state level and stopped studying. But nothing has changed from this. Ancient temples with a swastika both stood, and stand. Old towels and Russian shirts in museums with swastikas embroidered on them also remained. And why now mix the ancient symbols, Nazi fascism and modern Nazism in one heap. If you consider the swastika fascist and spit on it, what will you change in this world for the better? The best proof of their negative attitude towards fascism is the example of those guys who voluntarily die, protecting themselves and their families from Bandera scumbags. And sitting in your hut on the edge of the village and scolding ancient symbols is at least stupid. Or do you think that our ancestors were not creative, not talented and not creative? How did the world then evolve, do not explain?
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  38. Zenturion77
    Zenturion77 5 May 2014 10: 21
    0
    The article was incomplete, but the author outlined the outline of a theme that could play a "Ukrainian" scenario in Russia in the future (God forbid, of course). For a long time I began to notice the network activity of the "Old Believers" and other fans of the "ancestors": opinions about the Orthodox faith, as about the Jew-reptilian expansion to Mother Russia, the baptism of Russia with "fire-sword", just like the Prophet Magomed with Islam not ordinary heretics, idolaters (in clerical language), but downright sage priests, keepers of good traditions.
    In general, an interesting question was raised in the article, but very little research so far ...
  39. sergej30003
    sergej30003 5 May 2014 10: 23
    +3
    in order to know who we are and what gods our ancestors prayed for, what symbols wore, we need to study not history from the baptism of Russia, because history is written by the rulers, but to read the annals, at least from the occurrence of Hyperborea.
  40. Yellow white
    Yellow white 5 May 2014 10: 24
    +4
    If one mu marked at the time (1933-1945), then do not cross out thousands of years of history, religion and belief, and not only Russia, India as an example, Tibet, continue ???
    Muddy article, I agree!
  41. Komisare
    5 May 2014 10: 25
    -3
    Stupidity is when a person does not understand what his actions lead to.

    The use of "fern symbols", "sun" - everything should be perceived as propaganda of nationalism.

    Otherwise, the situation will be like with spice - it’s impossible to resolve, we can’t ban - the formula is changing. Convenient provocation. Fooling people from the opposite.
  42. Ross
    Ross 5 May 2014 10: 28
    +1
    Quote: maestro123
    Muddy article.

    Worse! Again the substitution of concepts! Any symbols are not random and carry a deep meaning and load. But some secret societies are engaged in the substitution of concepts, meanings not by chance. As well as with the most ancient symbol not for the Earth, the swastika-sun, and with the symbols of the same Ukraine. The falling falcon of Rurik (our ancient Russian symbol of Rurik) is "softly" supplemented with the trident of Atlantis, the legacy of the Anglo-Saxons. And there are many such moments. Denying the ancient Kolovrat - will we indulge the masons? We transfer hatred of Nazis and Bandera to the ancient symbolism of their ancestors ???
    PS: How often hotheads work for puppeteers.
  43. Kahlan amnell
    Kahlan amnell 5 May 2014 10: 32
    +2
    And the Bible whispered to the Qur'an:
    "Do you want me to become your sister?"
    And the Quran rustled in response to her:
    "Forgive me for so many mortal wounds."
    She sighed, moving the page:
    "I am not guilty of torture of the Inquisitions,
    and you are not guilty of a bloody massacre.
    We are books. We do not know the violence.
    But shepherds and authorities climbed into us,
    and brought in their own passions ...
    "
    Suddenly, as if from a hibernation he had come back,
    came the voice of "Capital" Marx:
    “I’m sorry, you didn’t get communism.
    He was a ghost and a ghost.
    Relating to the people that to livestock,
    the leaders rewrote me with blood.
    For the sake of all the tailor tyrants
    I replaced the Bible with the Koran. "
    And three books froze, as if on a chopping block,
    over the corpses in Baku and Karabakh.
    An attempt to replace all faith with Marx
    ended with a bloody terrible farce.
    There are no giaurs. All faiths are precious
    like herbs all according to the books of Avicenna.
    To hold back the killers of the coming rush
    religions of all countries, unite!
    And Mohammed weeps in Karabakh
    over brother - over the slaughtered Christ
    in a peasant bloodied shirt
    to the back pressed with a penal cross.

    Evgeny Evtushenko
  44. Iskander_ru39
    Iskander_ru39 5 May 2014 10: 35
    +2
    Symbols arise and disappear, are borrowed, like a two-headed eagle. The swastika is forever cursed by the Russian world - under it They came to destroy us as a people. And talking about the swastika on the eve of the Holy Holiday is blasphemous. Ah, we remember the ancestors.
    And over the defeated Reichstag
    Scarves Igor's banners.


    But we remember This too:

  45. yllo
    yllo 5 May 2014 10: 40
    +2
    Suppose I really do not want to wear a Christian cross just because the Russian Church appears to me in the form of a fat priest in a gold robe, on a cart, which is harnessed by old women instead of horses. In other words, the church has discredited itself. And a person needs faith. Only for this, now I have a swastik symbol on me which does not in the least evoke nationalist sentiments in me (unlike the media). But at the same time, I believe that "Rodnoverie" is a specially designed disinformation masterly combining truth and lies ... And I am smart enough not to show the swastika symbol to the veteran of the Great Patriotic War, because for them it is evil in its purest form.
  46. Varang42
    Varang42 5 May 2014 10: 41
    +5
    this symbol, although ancient and inherently light ... defiled by the affairs of people ... and will for a long time be perceived as a symbol of evil ... in any case in Russia.
  47. Vladislav
    Vladislav 5 May 2014 10: 43
    +4
    The author will agree to the fact that there was no Slavic calendar, according to which it is now 7522. Maybe even Mythodius and Cyril brought a letter to Russia? I do not like the Russian Gods - pray for a crucified Jew, but the history of your ancestors (if Russian, Tatar or any of those whose ancestors lived for centuries on the territory of modern Russia) could be studied more deeply. And it is not necessary to take information from nat. or other sites designed for ... yes on b_yd_l_o (I did not find a suitable word, I had to use Polish) - there are more serious sources of information.
    And it didn’t come to mind that they had slipped the swastika to Hitler to discredit the Slavic sacred graphics? Hitler then (and fascism), younger than the swastika for several thousand years. The Slavs never had how many ray-ray stars, and all the symbolism was swastistic (see really ancient national embroidery (not Ukrainian embroidery, but historical))
  48. Ross
    Ross 5 May 2014 10: 45
    +2
    Quote: Humpty
    There are many, where in the past there was an image of a Kolovrat, and what? Draw it on your forehead and be moved by the realization of your "own greatness"? Surely, one of the very distant ancestors went naked. Following this logic, you can dump on the street. outward to feel the "connection of times", until the first cop or the first adequately responding person you meet.

    In order to avoid empty talk about scalar symbols, you need to change the education in the school about the ancient Slavs, about the meanings of not only them, but generally symbolism.
    Symbolism - it is always neutral, more important is who and what uses it.
    1. Iskander_ru39
      Iskander_ru39 5 May 2014 11: 10
      +1
      Tell it to veterans, southeast of Ukraine. The symbol primarily reflects the idea in the name of which people live and die.
    2. Vladislav
      Vladislav 5 May 2014 11: 13
      +4
      Right. Education is our biggest misfortune .. Ukraine is a good example, even for 40 years people didn’t have to drive through the desert ..
  49. Energet1k_
    Energet1k_ 5 May 2014 10: 46
    +5
    The swastika is an ancient symbol of the movement of our galaxy (4 arms) around its center. What is not clear? The fact that the author "pulled" someone's comments and brought them as some kind of proof does not do him credit. In this way, it is possible for any resource (even ours) to form an absolutely opposite image than the one that actually exists. We must look for common facets that unite us, and not vice versa! Why did the author pull out some symbol, albeit quite important, but did not write at all what this Vedic system is based on: To live according to conscience and in harmony with nature? Are they separating us into reds and whites again?
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 5 May 2014 11: 28
      +4
      Yes, that's right, they are trying to set us against each other, as in Ukraine. Ancient symbols cannot be associated with modern Nazism. Nazism is a perverse form of nationalism that has nothing to do with patriotism. And the knowledge of one’s history and the faith of one’s ancestors is a healthy patriotism, from time immemorial prompting to do great things and giving strength to defeat enemies. This is a powerful weapon, but in the hands of venal evil spirits, it is directed against its own people. It can only be used by professionals.
  50. SBC
    SBC 5 May 2014 10: 55
    -4
    All symbolism is a way to excite the majority (inert, philistine mass) of actions, and what actions will the swastika, Kolovrat, trident encourage?