We do not need Kolovrat!

"Teach history! This is not a swastika! It is a symbol of the sun! Kolovrat is called! "

Familiar words, is not it? With the advent of the Internet, people claiming the title of honorary historians of Russia are becoming more and more. What does all this mean? Why all of a sudden, symbols frankly resembling a swastika (the so-called kolovrat - this is just the beginning) suddenly became an honorary symbol of the Slavs? Why all of a sudden, out of the blue, these people began to call themselves "Rodnovers" and sculpt - we will call things after all by their names - a swastika anywhere: on T-shirts, tattooing on ourselves, and so on - that's just on my forehead have not seen.

Very interesting. And the "public" is mainly nationalistic. No, comrades nationalists, we know the history and prudently do not call you fascists. (You can’t calm you down later.) "Nationalists. White race, Slavs, pure blood, white Russia ..."

History lesson from one Internet resource:
"To show an image of Kolovrata to a person and to follow his reaction means to know a lot about this person.
[...] Kolovrat can only be hated by those who are stupid by the evil anti-Slavic propaganda [...], being the creature of the world of darkness and destruction ...
Any thinking and interested person knows that Kolovrat in various versions of the outline is the original symbol of many
Indo-European peoples. "

Here is how. I wonder how many people showed this blot in the middle of 40-s and received in response “not the reaction”, or, most likely, not the reaction, but something stronger? Butt hit or bullet in the forehead?

All these contradictions are cleverly hidden by brilliant arguments like “teach the story” or “everything, the conversation is over.” Of course, a normal person
it is unlikely to be interested in the swastika. With her, everything is clear. However, for the sake of justice, I had to explore a couple of web pages. Of these, I will give quotes so that no one has any questions and that people stop mratting and fooling around with their "native Slavic signs of the sun."

We continue to study these "delights":
"... Anyone thinking and interested in a person knows that Kolovrat in different versions of the outline is the original symbol of many
Indo-European peoples. "

That is, it turns out that the symbol of many Indo-European peoples can be hated by "only those stupid with anti-Slavic propaganda"? That is, all the anti-fascist fighters that did not give their homeland to the mercy of the German invaders - they are all "creatures of the world of darkness and destruction" ?!

And can be, all the way around?

I know my roots. My grandfather and his whole village rebuilt their houses out of nothing, with their own hands, without money, helping each other. It was the generation of Soviet people, that Soviet people that was the first in the world to send a man into space. The people from which so many inventors, designers, doctors and writers came out. I do not believe that a significant part of our history is a "world of darkness and destruction." And I firmly know that it is not.

Why does society break up due to the substitution of concepts? Maybe someone needs this? The characters in question are really visible in the photographs ... of the nineteenth century.

Why am I not surprised when I see them in the photo of already frank nationalists, but already in our century? In a century when nationalism is like a bargaining chip in an alien political struggle? When nationalism is sponsored, as in Tatarstan, in the Caucasus, and - as everyone has long understood - in Ukraine?

To summarize, I will say: I am not against people's self-expression. But "self-expression" should end where the interests of our state begin, which keeps its people, us, from falling into the abyss of endless regional wars. Holds the people who endured all the hardships and hardships. The people who survived in a terrible struggle.

PS Let the patterns be worn once upon a time. But now for more than a century they are not relevant among our people. Creative, talented, strong and CREATING Russian people! And it is better to call the mystifiers themselves the creatures of the “world of darkness”. Just look at their shy eyes - and the questions will disappear by themselves.

Comments

[Bootlegger]

Attention, in the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics there are Croatian mercenaries posing as Serbian correspondents. They provide logistics to snipers and saboteurs. They are armed and very dangerous. They have escaped the war in Bosnia. The main weapons are hidden in bumpers. Undercover niches or a pallet fixed at the bottom of the XKER. NO VOLUNTEERS AND MEDIA REPRESENTATIVES ON THE TERRITORY OF FREE REPUBLIC

[CALL.]

History lesson from one Internet resource

[striker]

Author Popov Egor

That is, all the anti-fascist fighters who did not give their homeland to be torn apart by the German invaders - they are all "creatures of the world of darkness and destruction" ?!

Why does society split due to a substitution of concepts?

It's you, Popov Egorare doing a substitution of concepts and a split Russian of society.

Our Russian ancestors in different centuries fought under different banners, including under the symbol "Kolovrat" (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evpatiy_Kolovrat)
One thing is for sure: regardless of the models of the social system and the prevailing ideology that existed at different periods of Russian History, they always fought against the OCCUPIERS (!) And never (!!!) discriminated against the occupiers on ethnic grounds!
Swede, German, Frenchman, Azer, Chichen, Uzbek - the occupier of the Russian land, he is the occupier, regardless of nationality!!!

Therefore, leave the fascist swastika of the Third Reich to the German National Socialists of the 30s - 40s of the last century, and do not touch the Russian Kolovrat.

Z.Y. For the article - minus, it is a pity that I can put only one

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

agree completely....

[folds]

(Right now the sailors are stumbling me :) ) - And let's give up the St. Andrew's flag? This is a symbol of the Vlasovites - traitors to the Russian people who fought on the side of the Nazis! My grandfather, and your grandfathers, too, knew - if someone has the Andreevsky flag on his sleeve - a traitor, a Vlasovite, worse than a German. And the tricolor, under which the 1st Roa Guards Brigade paraded on June 22, 1943 in Pskov - I assure you, the veterans remember very well!
And somehow the atrocities committed under these symbols do not prevent one flag from being the symbol of the Russian Navy, and the second from hanging over the Kremlin. The article reminds me of an anecdote - "Something worries me about Honduras! - Don't you scratch him!" If you do not need a Kolovrat - why do you go to extremist sites to look for information about it?
To be honest - I jarred the headline, because in my mind Kolovrat is Yevpatiy Kolovrat, as an example of Russian heroism .. And then all of a sudden - I don’t need it, we arrived ..

[Ka3ak]

Ahem ... As far as I know.
Yevpatiy Orthodox Christian refers to a pagan sacred symbol only by his nickname.
But the fables of pseudo-historians about our great pagan past remind me of the poison that poisoned Ukraine.

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

Well done....

[johnsnz]

Death to the Nazis in all guises !!!!!

[does it]

Quote: johnsnz

Death to the Nazis in all guises !!!!!

Fascism (Italian: fascismo by fascio "Union, bundle, ligament, association") — generalized name of extreme right-wing political movements, ideologies and the corresponding form of government of a dictatorial type

[Geologist]

Blah blah blah.

[maestro123]

Muddy article.

[Children BuryKonya]

The heading "opinion", and yes, muddy. Battle with chimeras.

[evgenii67]

Quote: maestro123

Muddy article.

The author quotes words from the so-called "A history lesson from one Internet resource:
"To show an image of Kolovrata to a person and to follow his reaction means to know a lot about this person.
[...] Kolovrat can only be hated by those who are stupid by the evil anti-Slavic propaganda [...], being the creature of the world of darkness and destruction ...
Any thinking and interested person knows that Kolovrat in various versions of the outline is the original symbol of many
Indo-European peoples". or such All these contradictions are cleverly hidden by brilliant arguments like “teach the story” or “everything, the conversation is over.” Of course, a normal person
it would hardly come to mind to be interested in the swastika. With her, everything is clear. Nevertheless, for the sake of fairness, I had to study a couple of Internet pages. Of these, I will cite quotes so that no one has questions and that people stop dirtying themselves and fooling around with their "Rodnover Slavic signs of the sun"..... it turns out the author took the statements of some people from one Internet resource, but not really delving into the origin of the Kolovrat, giving an example of what happened in the mid-40s with those who are "for Kolovrat", but the history of Russia does not begin from the mid-40s ... although it could end during this period, but the Kolovrat nothing to do with.

[Yuri Y.]

The symbol itself has nothing to do with it. And its use.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Yuri Ya.

The symbol itself has nothing to do with it. And its use.

Absolutely right! The Buddhist swastika existed before Hitler for hundreds of years (if not thousands) and now one of the main symbols of Buddhism is the swastika. I often saw this symbol in the countries of Southeast Asia, so now to demand from these countries a ban on the swastika? Absurd! Just don't "confuse a fork with a bottle," and a Buddhist swastika with a fascist! Like a double-edged sword, the word "nationalist" can have both "bad" and "good" meanings. In a good sense, a Russian nationalist is a person, a citizen of his country, who sees and understands real (and not fictitious) threats Russia, the Russian people, Russian culture, Russian self-consciousness and is trying to actively resist these threats; while the liberal "layers", the comprador bureaucracy and the bourgeoisie, even the ruling regime are trying to "silence" these threats, hang "bad" labels and even apply repression.

[Manul]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

By the way, where did you get the idea that a Russian nationalist is bad?

The distinction between a nationalist and a patriot has long been made clear. Russian swastika is not needed. In Russia, the Orthodox cross is the main symbol. A Kolovrat leave for museums.

[Manul]

Quote: vladsolo56

Do not speak and write on behalf of all Russians, this is not entirely correct

I said what I said. I didn't say - "the only one" - I said "the main one". I didn't say - "for all Russians". I said - "in Rus'". Unfortunately, we have enough atheists. And not "unbelievers", but atheists. I apologize in advance - if you continue to rant on such topics in this spirit, substituting concepts and distorting - then there is no point in commenting on me. Still, no consensus will be found.

[Ka3ak]

All right, this is a historical fact.
From childhood, Russia absorbed Orthodox Christianity.
Under the image of the Savior on the banner, the soldiers went to lay down their lives for their own.
This happened for about 1000 years, generation after generation, saw the Truth in Christ. And in the cross of the Lord. And by the power of the crucified on him they won in the main battles, and the main battle for each person takes place in his heart, all other victories come from this main one.
A Kolovrat is a sacred symbol of the syncretic pagan world, it does not draw anything more than how to draw it on spinning wheels.

[Ratibor]

Quote from: KA3AK

All right, this is a historical fact.
From childhood, Russia absorbed Orthodox Christianity.
Under the image of the Savior on the banner, the soldiers went to lay down their lives for their own.
This happened for about 1000 years, generation after generation, saw the Truth in Christ. And in the cross of the Lord. And by the power of the crucified on him they won in the main battles, and the main battle for each person takes place in his heart, all other victories come from this main one.
A Kolovrat is a sacred symbol of the syncretic pagan world, it does not draw anything more than how to draw it on spinning wheels.

Someone saw, and someone not. If the official religion of the state is Christianity, this does not mean that everyone believes in Christ. And after 1000 years they will say again - generation after generation have seen the truth in Christ.

[Ka3ak]

I understood you. But I'm not saying that our ancestors were as one.
You see, the people, as it seems to me, are not a totality of biological species with their separate worldview, this is a community that has some specific features, without slipping into unitarianism. I fully admit that not everyone believed in Christ. BUT

The point here is not the official religion of the state. And the fact that the Russian people did was inspired by the Christian worldview.
Within the Christian worldview, the greatest works of architecture and painting were created.
From among the people saints appeared with the purity of their life striking everyone around. Not wisdom, not vision. And cleanliness.
Our entire northern edge was built up by monasteries not on government orders, but on the initiative of Russian people who were leaving the world to God in a thicket of northern forests.
Popular culture was also imbued with Christianity. This is reflected even in the Kiev epics, though quite on a simple and primitive level.
That is why I made a generalization about the Russian people ... In this matter, he was one. As a people, but it is clear that every single person was in one way or another free to believe what he wanted.

Quote: Ratibor

And after 1000 years they will say again - generation after generation they have seen the Truth in Christ.

It is already difficult to say about the last centuries of the Empire. Although de jure, Orthodoxy remained the state religion.

[xenod55]

That's right, but Natsik should wear it on his forehead so that there is no doubt about the aiming point.

[Pit]

Quote: evgenii67

but not really delving into the origin ...

Moreover, even where he grabbed the phrases, he did not bother to read to the end.
And as for Slavic symbolism, there is a usual substitution of concepts. The swastika was not the first swallow. Everyone knows about the star of David, but few people remember about the star of Velis, and this is the same thing, just the symbol was borrowed, and over time, our memory was formatted by Christianization so that we began to forget everything, but what was stolen from us before associate with your roots.

[Ka3ak]

That's what I said about these fables. So Ukrainians turned into mankurts and made to hate Russians.
So we want to make of us that ...
In order to format something, you need to have it. In addition to fantasies, alas, we do not have a single written or oral source about the history of the Slavic tribes and their great worldview formatted by Christianity. But the fact that they were not Russians is obvious. The Russian ethnic group takes shape after the baptism of Russia.
And we also have great pride, and pseudo-historical crafts of the 20th century like the Veles book.
Are you saying that Christianity has formatted historical memory? Christianity carries with it a set of such great ideas that can philosophically explain our rational free existence, that I would marvel at the value that was formatted, do you have any ideas?

[SVAROGE]

The author’s story of Russia begins with his grandfather .... MARASM !!!

[SVAROGE]

Mostly not muddy, but numb!
They are trying to knead the great idea of ​​NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS with the ideas of fascism ...!
Along the way, the author took a pseudonym ...! It smells of "kortavost" ...))

[St Petrov]

Tell me about how you associate Kolovrat with the "Great idea of ​​NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS"

[Ka3ak]

And I will take on this mission:
Just as Russians associate in the minds of Ukrainians, this Finno-Tatar people, completely alien to Ukrainians, eager to rule over the poor Ukrainians, the heirs of Russia.

[Ka3ak]

Good evening, but what kind of idea?
And how does the idea of ​​NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS of Russians relate to the Kolovrat?

[abrakadabre]

Muddy article.

I agree. The presentation is chaotic and bulky. The position of the author is not clear: either he scolded the swastika, or defends it. It seems all the same a positive message in the article. But so stated ...

Is it something to spread such multi-volume comments on such scribbling as on medieval theological treatises? And then comments on comments, etc.? The article minus the unambiguous for the above.

[St Petrov]

the author writes that it’s ridiculous for him to look at the imbeciles of skinheads who cannot put 2 + 2 in their minds, but they put themselves up as experts in the field of history.

They begin to tell everyone that they are not fascists but nationalists and so on. (this is a common story of such characters)

Draw on themselves drawings that their great-grandfathers and grandfathers did not draw on themselves.

In general, do not shine with the mind - 100 out of 100

The story of Rodnoverie is also a cesspool. Rodnovers blia) And look at these characters - and they are really all funny. Chatted here with one hairy hipar 40 years from birth, I say Rodnover. I believe in Perun - Putin is an enemy, I am for anarchy, we do not need a state, and so on.
You look at him and think - you're 40 years old and you're still a f*ck. And you’ll already raise children - it’s with such characters that plankton grows for the sharks of capitalism, which you can lure into a sect if you can, and squeeze an apartment under beautiful slogans, and instill love in a swastika, saying that it was 1000 years ago, so the guy - the red star and the Orthodox cross are all wrong. Here is Kolovrat - that's all.

And all this hat came to the Russian Federation along with various sects in the 90s. All this poured into our territory, witnesses of the Egovs, Rodnovers, Baptists, etc. appeared.

There was a lot of literature, books, new bibles, a bunch of articles on the Internet - thematic sites - people began to haul. Remember)) their roots and so on.

Give me control of media resources and people will believe they come from "add as you please".

[St Petrov]

If in a nutshell about these sects and trends - the CIA will help you remember the roots and your true destiny

[St Petrov]

Sources search excavations for whole expeditions. And what idiots are looking for on the Internet is all the lyrics. I am writing to this.

And I also mentioned the CIA for a reason. Look at the time when this current began to pedal (I don’t know in the USSR how it was with the Rodnovs, but now there are too many of them), it coincides with the arrival of sects (egovs, etc.) in the country, which, as has been repeatedly proved, are CIA projects. All of their headquarters are in the United States.

It’s not just that after raising the curtain, Rodnoverie came to our land (all of a sudden, at 91, and the Vedas remembered and began to interpret them just as suddenly (it just became fashionable)

In Ukraine, they are also now looking for the origins, and now they have found it - in the end it turned out that MOVA formed the basis of Latin, supposedly if it weren’t for great humiliation and there would be no Latin. So when people (far from professionals) who are unemployed from idleness begin to suffer from searches, and such incidents happen. Leave this to historians.

Want the truth about pre-Christian time? Forward with a shovel to the excavation site. Novgorod and so on. It will take a long time to dig the truth, because we are talking about millennia, and our diggers still haven’t dug everything from the Second World War.

[Ka3ak]

Quote: vladsolo56

I’ll be back again, to the beginning of my thoughts, do not want to unite the Russian people, no, you want to take power in an elementary way, and all those who are not with you all to be written down as enemies.

I apologize for interfering, but dear, they told you in direct Russian that if you want ancient Russian culture, then you are welcome to dig into the expedition, or to record the still living village tradition on the expedition, or rummage through the sources in the archives.
And to fantasize the destiny of weak and proud minds.
And you apparently did not understand anything ... It's sad.

[builder]

Petrov expressed his point of view (it seems to me that she is true).
In my opinion, the Kolovrat is a compromise before the swastika.

[Ka3ak]

The question, of course, is not a symbol, I think, but what people put into it.
Modern science fiction neopagans ... Obvious evil. Because they lie, replacing the real roots of the people with their fantasies.

[Ka3ak]

Quote: vladsolo56

If a person is sure that Russia began only with Orthodoxy, then how will he explain that the calendar in Russia before Peter totaled 5 thousand years. Where have they divided these millennia?

The tradition of counting the date from the creation of the world is also a Christian tradition.

Quote: vladsolo56

But the difference is that the Rodnovers are looking for the origins of Rus before baptism, while the Orthodox completely deny any pre-Christian Russian culture. And let's ask ourselves why?

The difference is that some people, with their dirty passionate minds, start to engage in science fiction and pass this off as Russian roots, most likely without knowing their great-grandfathers even up to the 5th generation.
And all this from the fact that a living Russian tradition has died. Following the Russian community, this happened in the 70s of the 20th century. Died Russian peasant living culture left. But science fiction cannot be stopped.
Every culture has a carrier. But there are no pre-Christian written sources, no oral sources. But it doesn’t matter.
But there is a fantasy, we multiply it by pride and here is your kindred faith.

There was a time when there were no Russians. There is nothing shameful in this. Every nation has its own role on earth. There were tribes, certainly ethnically related, but not a people. The Russian people as a community was formed in the 9th-11th centuries. Igor, what do you think, just like that, he collected tribute from the ancient Slavic tribes. The merging process has not been completed. So they collected tribute from both the Slavs and the Finno-Ugrians. The Russian people was formed from this mixture because of internal and external unity. Orthodoxy ensured the internal, the princely power external.
That is why any fantasies not built on historical sources must be denied as infection. Because it’s just that this gloom obscures the truly preserved Russian culture, traditions and customs. Replacing them with the fantasies of pseudo-historians.

[abrakadabre]

the author writes that it’s ridiculous for him to look at the imbeciles of skinheads who cannot put 2 + 2 in their minds, but they put themselves up as experts in the field of history.

The author can write about everything that he wants. But if he wants to be read and understood by his point of view, then express his thoughts clearly.

And he will be happy.

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

Quote: s-t Petrov

the author writes that it’s ridiculous for him to look at the imbeciles of skinheads who cannot put 2 + 2 in their minds, but they put themselves up as experts in the field of history.

That the author writes - able to read - yes he will read! Moreover, the meaning of the article perfectly reflects the title.
I am a Slav, and I do not renounce the symbols of my ancestors, although now they are of purely academic interest to me. Associating "kolovrat" with "swastika" and on the basis of this to reject it is stupidity. And when the fascists put armbands with a "hammer and sickle" on their sleeves, will we also throw this symbol into the dustbin of history ?! What is there to fantasize about? Have you seen "St. George's" ribbons on those scoundrels that killed people in Odessa? And in the pictures of those events, such flashes. This is a provocation? So what, after all - they were! So let's use this symbol as well! And this is not stupidity, but nonsense!
So don't muddy the waters! The swastika is the swastika. And our symbols are our symbols. "Kolovrat" - gone (historical), "sickle and hammer" - outgoing (perhaps not for long), "St. George's ribbon" - returned (revived), as we see the symbols tend to leave, but return. And if we scatter our symbols, then soon we will have only "money" symbols - "dollar", "euro", "ruble", etc. Article minus.

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy

That the author writes - able to read - yes he will read! Moreover, the meaning of the article perfectly reflects the title.
I am a Slav, and I do not renounce the symbols of my ancestors, although now they are of purely academic interest to me. Associating "kolovrat" with "swastika" and on the basis of this to reject it is stupidity. And when the fascists put armbands with a "hammer and sickle" on their sleeves, will we also throw this symbol into the dustbin of history ?! What is there to fantasize about? Have you seen "St. George's" ribbons on those scoundrels that killed people in Odessa? And in the pictures of those events, such flashes. This is a provocation? So what, after all - they were! So let's use this symbol as well! And this is not stupidity, but nonsense!
So don't muddy the waters! The swastika is the swastika. And our symbols are our symbols. "Kolovrat" - gone (historical), "sickle and hammer" - outgoing (perhaps not for long), "St. George's ribbon" - returned (revived), as we see the symbols tend to leave, but return. And if we scatter our symbols, then soon we will have only "money" symbols - "dollar", "euro", "ruble", etc. Article minus.

That's right Quiet and let me add.
Kolovrat can be found now on carved wooden architecture houses (built 100-200 years ago) and in churches too (I saw it myself but I don’t remember which one).
Americans use their technology to paint the stars so that we gloss over. Maybe someday, after a hundred or two hundred years, and the Kolovrat will return to us, who knows, but it will not be a fascist sign, I'm sure.
And the article is more like a bunch in the water.

[nogicune]

provocation, he wanted to pit

[DS22]

Kolovrat is one of the symbols of the Russian people, and if it was used by some kind of hacking hooks for their own purposes, this does not mean that it has lost its sacred content for our people! The article is a clear minus for distorting the facts and the lack of a balanced approach!

[Varyg]

Who needs it.
And someone for all FSUs.
No need to speak for everyone.
I agree with the Geologist, the article blah blah blah

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote from Varyg

I agree with the Geologist, the article blah blah blah

The author expressed his opinion, and went too far with the Kolovrat, what is paganism again? I am Orthodox.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Eugeniy_369k

The author has expressed his opinion, but he has gone too far with the kolovrata, what is paganism again? I am Orthodox.

Orthodoxy retains many of the customs and faces of the gods of the pre-Christian era of the Slavs. So do not deny it! And the article, yes, bullshit!

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

faces of the gods of the pre-Christian era of the Slavs. So do not deny it!

I do not consider myself an ideal Orthodox Christian (I sin ), but to whom what, but for me God is one.

[Children BuryKonya]

One who? Father, son or spirit?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Children Bury the Horse

One who? Father, son or spirit?

Without words, I just leave you an email

[Ptah]

Hello Sasha!

Quote: Children Bury the Horse

One who? Father, son or spirit?

... or the Horse? Well, if the "oldnovers" ...

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Without words, I just leave you an email

Just think about "nick". Yes, you're right ... It's either good or without words...
And the smiley is appropriate like this -

[Children BuryKonya]

Yanimagu minya already triset (s), thought that the New Testament is not aware of the true trinitarian statements.

[Ptah]

Quote: Children Bury the Horse

Yanimagu minya already triset

You have a fever, Philip Philipych. Take Quinine (C20H24N2O2) and go to bed (alone) ...
Otherwise, you will have to "Bury the Horse" ...

[Children BuryKonya]

Excuse me, even Schweik refused to be treated with quinine - an incredible muck. A diagnosis on the Internet is, of course, progressive. You probably have a ton of talent.

[Ptah]

God is One, but in three faces. That is why Christianity is also referred to as the MONOtheistic religion.

But while "ChildrenBury the Horse" they have no time even to read. It would be better "DetiDeeliKonya" ...

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote: Children Bury the Horse

One who? Father, son or spirit?

Monotheism - A system of religious beliefs based on the idea of ​​the unity of the deity, of the one God
All three Persons of the Trinity exist in complete unity, which creates the world, provides for and sanctifies it.

Quote: Children Bury the Horse

or spirit?

Dove mlyn ... "eritik" do not blaspheme

[Children BuryKonya]

Burn me in hell fire, but it's better than walking in the garden and crunching apples.

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote: Children Bury the Horse

Burn me in the fiery hell

- Note, Ivan Arnoldovich, only landowners who are not cut by the Bolsheviks eat cold snacks and soup. A little self-respecting person operates hot snacks.

[Yuri Y.]

Actually, the article is very timely. And I did not go too far with the Kolovrat, given its application under article. The Rodnovers generally have a significant part of the history of fantasy, to which this has led the great ukrov we already know. What was in ancient centuries behind a dense veil of time, we need to remember what there are still witnesses to.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Yuri Ya.

what it led to great ukrov we already know

Everyone here saw how our neo-pagans foamed, trying to present Orthodoxy as an anti-people religion, and Putin as an enemy of the people. If these views won, would Russia become stronger? Would we be more united? I am sure that the information victory of the neo-pagans would only lead to the disunity and weakening of our multinational country, the disunity of the Russians would be especially strong. Therefore, on Bolotnaya Square, nationalist tricolors flashed interspersed with rainbow flags of liberals. Therefore, they support the Ukrainian Bandera, because they are fed, most likely, with the same cookies, from the same "good" hands.

[SVAROGE]

Do not knead everything in one trough, my friend!
You still start to put the current "piercing" of the Maidan on a par with the National Patriots ...

[Yuri Y.]

Down and Out trouble started. The current nationals're coming out could not appear from scratch. Something had to be started. I remember a YouTube video when, somewhere in the forest, youngsters in the forest are training under the national, in this case, sauce. And how did it end? The joy of killing, often of their own nationality. So for sincere Rodnovers there is a danger (and a real one) to slide (as an organization, not a faith) to banal fascism. They were sent there, not the fact that we do not have this. This makes me wonder where they even came from. The official version in accordance with the logic of the person concerned. It is clear searches, tyry pyry and yet.

[Stanislas]

Quote: SVAROGE

You still start to put the current "piercing" of the Maidan on a par with the National Patriots ...

That's where Natsik, on a par with the skewers, ended up without my help themselves. Although it is unpleasant for them to recall this ...

[skullcap]

Quote: Eugeniy_369k

The author has expressed his opinion, but he has gone too far with the kolovrata, what is paganism again? I am Orthodox.

Well, if you are such an Orthodox, then maybe you need to organize the destruction of the swastikas on the images of Christian saints on the icons? For example, in the Assumption Cathedral of the Kremlin. I was there once on an excursion, and with my own eyes I saw swastikas embroidered on the clothes of some saints.
And in Samarkand, I also saw with my own eyes the swastika tiled on the pediment of a mosque in Registan.
It may be necessary to remove all these swastikas (for complete eradication — along with the cathedrals, and the Kremlin, and the Registan — along with Samarkand), so as not to disturb your established vision of the swastika as an exclusively fascist prerogative?
By the way, global tolerastov do just that. In the textbooks of ancient history placed distorted images of artifacts (specifically - amphorae), on which there are no images of swastikas, located on real artifacts. This is the triumph of the world official historical science.
Or will we still study history in its entirety, and not only from 17, as ardent revolutionaries of the last century demanded at gunpoint? And, all the more, not from 91, as progressive liberasts want.

[Ptah]

Quote: kosopuz

Well, if you are SUCH an Orthodox, then maybe you need to organize the destruction of swastikas on images of Christian saints on icons?

What for? Why else "organize some kind of struggle", and, in your words, "destruction"?
Anyone who is able to think adequately understands what Swastik images can mean in specific situations. And the church is very conservative in such matters as ancient symbols. And these "images" appeared long before the Hitler period.
The church fights against hatred, and not against symbols. Neither denies, but magnifies either the swastika or the Kolovrat. Period of history. Mostly very sad. No more...

[skullcap]

Quote: Eugeniy_369k

The author has expressed his opinion, but he has gone too far with the kolovrata, what is paganism again? I am Orthodox.

Well, if you are such an Orthodox, then maybe you need to organize the destruction of the swastikas on the images of Christian saints on the icons? For example, in the Assumption Cathedral of the Kremlin. I was there once on an excursion, and with my own eyes I saw swastikas embroidered on the clothes of some saints.
And in Samarkand, I also saw with my own eyes the swastika tiled on the pediment of a mosque in Registan.
It may be necessary to remove all these swastikas (for complete eradication — along with the cathedrals, and the Kremlin, and the Registan — along with Samarkand), so as not to disturb your established vision of the swastika as an exclusively fascist prerogative?
By the way, global tolerastov do just that. In the textbooks of ancient history placed distorted images of artifacts (specifically - amphorae), on which there are no images of swastikas, located on real artifacts. This is the triumph of the world official historical science.
Or will we still study history in its entirety, and not only from 17, as ardent revolutionaries of the last century demanded at gunpoint? And, all the more, not from 91, as progressive liberasts want.

[rasputin17]

Like it or not, but fascism in a different guise and under a different sauce !! Moreover, many streams of these national patriots are sponsored in the same way as the fifth column from various foreign funds and the final result is pursued by sponsors everywhere!!! And all this poisonous tinsel is designed for the brainlessness and stupidity of the unenlightened masses of the people who are ready to eat any d.e.r.m.o under a beautiful wrapper !!

[Humpty]

There are many, where in the past there was an image of a Kolovrat, and what? Draw it on your forehead and be moved by the realization of your "own greatness"? Surely, one of the very distant ancestors went naked. Following this logic, you can dump on the street. outward to feel the "connection of times", until the first cop or the first adequately responding person you meet.

[COBA]

The ancient Vedic symbol was deliberately perverted and made fascist. This was done by the Masons and their sponsors from TNCs.
It is necessary to face the truth. If we do not return the true meaning to these symbols, and that means telling the TRUTH, then the very backstage of the world will push the fraternal Slavic peoples against their foreheads through fascism.

[SVAROGE]

GOLD WORDS!!!!!!!

[abrakadabre]

It is necessary to face the truth. If we do not return the true meaning to these symbols, which means saying

Well? Well, they returned, so what? For a normal educated person and in Soviet times, it was not a secret that the swastika is an ancient solar symbol appropriated (although not, not appropriated but chosen) by the German Nazis as their emblem. I was informed about this at school. And not in the secret intelligence school of the KGB-NKVD-OGPU. And in the most ordinary Soviet school from a provincial regional center.
And that different types of this symbol have been found in sooo many peoples for millennia.
What do you want to proclaim with your statement on the return of true values?
What is the swastika - an ancient solar symbol? So this is not news to anyone (for people with a normal education, and not for shkolota). Yes it's true. Symbol ... of the sun. For the ancient peoples of Eurasia.
Or that this symbol, I'm sorry, was cheated by the German Nazis? So it's also true. For them, it was also a symbol. Moreover, they crowed everywhere about paganism, sun worship, about the ancient Germanic symbol. And they didn’t lie either - the ancient Germans also used this symbol. What is the perversion of the symbol? In the Nazis? Separate the flies from the cutlets. And then you can reach complete insanity.
The same SS troops did their best to use the standards and eagles in the manner of the Roman signs of the legions. And much more was used.

You better give normal education to children and teach them to think. So that when they saw the swastika in the museum on an ancient bowl, they understood that this was not an ancient fascist cup and that they did not try to beat museum windows in holy fury.
And when they saw a scumbag in the form of a military with a swastika on the street, they did not touch and did not think that it was a 2-4 thousand-year-old Aryan who had risen from the grave and decided to preach the truth about ancient cults to his descendants. And they did not try to imitate such a scumbag.

[aleks77]

Quote: abrakadabre

You better give children a normal education and teach them to think. So that when they see a swastika on an ancient bowl in a museum, they understand that this is not an ancient fascist cup and in a sacred rage they don’t try to beat the museum showcases. A 2-year-old Aryan who decided to preach the truth about ancient cults to his descendants. And did not try to imitate such a scumbag.

Huge + he wanted to write something like that, but you have it more clearly, you can’t say better!

[Barmal]

the most accurate tracts for the article, the author could not do this, you could!

[Ruslan67]

Now I’ll take off the cross and go dancing around the stump Are there any more comments?

[Ratibor]

Beat your brow then on the floor

[Kahlan amnell]

Ruslan, Jura, do not swear please do not humiliate the faith and beliefs of each other. The main thing is that you are both Russian. I believe that if something happened - both Ruslan and Yura-Ratibor will help each other and will cover so that the enemy does not hit in the back.

[Corsair0304]

But you don’t need to go over to personality. Less to you.

[Stump]

Pfff)) and what's the use of this picture? or after its display Judeo-Christianity ceased to be so?
Minus? do not care, give two)

[Ptah]

Quote: Tree Stump

give me two)

Well, if you so coquettishly beg for ....
Catch more immediately.
The sooner we start, the faster we finish ...

[Stump]

it would be better to learn etiquette, someone was talking to you)? Or in each ope gag?

[Ptah]

Quote: Corsair0304

Then (including now) with a cross on their chests they also defended and protect their land

[does it]

Quote: Ptah

Ptah (4) Today, 13:50 ↑ New
Quote: Corsair0304
Then (including now) with a cross on their chests they also defended and protect their land

I found with whom the singer is a millionaire and a simple worker! Religion has nothing to do with it.

[Ka3ak]

Fedya well done!) A rare example of a strong spirit with a strong body !!! Although it is very in Russian :)

[Corsair0304]

Why take off the cross and dance around the stump? From the great mind? Well, there was Kolovrat in Rus', our ancestors believed in it, they put it on shields, weapons and defended their land. Then (and now including) with a cross on the chest they also defended and defend their land. So what's wrong with reviving interest in the past of one's people? The Nazis used the swastika as a demonstration of their chosenness, the neo-Nazis did the same. However, the power is not in them, not in the shaven-headed imbeciles who substitute concepts and use them for their own purposes. And what about symbols? read about Pope Alexander VI, who wore the cross. In Rome, there are still tours called "Satan's Apothecary. Rome of Pope Alexander VI Borgia. There they carry on all the palaces belonging to him and his son Cesare, along the embankments, from which people poisoned and slaughtered by this couple were dumped into the Tiber. To the places where they staged orgies. Including for three, along with the daughter of one and the sister of the second, Lucretia. And why take off the cross because of this freak?? I guess not.
I believe that the Kolovrat should be present in our history along with the cross, since as a symbol it does not entail anything bad.

[individual]

Hitler also had a Kolovrat, but the USSR / Russia named after him inserted SUCH BOLT, that even the thread did not comply!

[does it]

Quote: individ

Hitler also had a Kolovrat, but the USSR / Russia put in THIS BOLT that they didn’t even observe the thread!

But THIS BOLT! cost the lives of millions of our citizens.

[tomket]

Ba!!! Yes, here the Slavs began to catch up !!!! Now they will remember about the faith of the ancestors, about the fact that Christianity - the Jewish religion was imposed. So, my dear Slavs, have you seen a lot of Nazis who burned people under banners and faces of Christ? As? Did not see? But every scum that burned people to their heart's content considers itself a purebred Ukrainian, whose ancestor was Mazepa, no less. so put your kolovrat in your ass if he makes people out of cattle, who in this way acquire their national roots, self-identity, and the faith of their ancestors.

[Ratibor]

The Inquisition burned, I did not forget the Crusades, and Russia was baptized with fire and a sword

[Orik]

Quote: Ratibor

The Inquisition burned, I did not forget the Crusades, and Russia was baptized with fire and a sword

You are the sixth column, it is not for nothing that the nationalists came out with the swamps. Orthodox Russia until the end of centuries, then the end of the world will finally disappear.

[Ratibor]

Orthodoxy is the Glory of the Right of Peace of our Gods and Our Ancestors, and the faithful Christians in some old documents of Peter's and Pre-Petrine times they call themselves that. The Christians called themselves Orthodox because the Old Faith of Our Ancestors could not be burned out and they had to adapt (see the holidays) to take control of the masses.

[Orik]

Quote: Ratibor

Orthodoxy is the Glory of the Right of Peace of our Gods and Our Ancestors, and the faithful Christians in some old documents of Peter's and Pre-Petrine times they call themselves that. The Christians called themselves Orthodox because the Old Faith of Our Ancestors could not be burned out and they had to adapt (see the holidays) to take control of the masses.

I will answer once to your nonsense. ORTHODOX means the CORRECTLY GLORIOUS GOD, unlike the Catholic and other heretics and schismatics.

[Svetlana]

Orthodox from the word ruleif you didn’t know. And how can God be praised correctly, and how not right?

[Ptah]

Tracing paper with Greek. ὀρθοδοξία - literally “correct judgment”, “correct teaching” or “correct praising”.
The term appears as an antonym to the word “heterodoxia”, which denoted “other,” or non-church, theological views of various heretics and those teachers whose opinions the Church rejected for any reason. In the Christian context, the word "Orthodoxy" is already found in the writings of apologists of the II century.

[Ratibor]

and whom God you praise correctly

[abrakadabre]

Orthodoxy is the Glory of the Law of the world of our bright Gods and Ancestors

So! Stand, be afraid !!! Shkolota! You should at least look into smart books for proforma for self-education. And do not flog the bullshit ...

The term ORTHODOX is a direct translation from Greek ORTHODOX. By the way, if this word is translated into Latin, then it will sound like a Catholic.

Especially for the ignoramus I repeat:

The western branch of the Christian church is called in Latin as the Roman Catholic (and other, other ... long name)
The eastern (consider Constantinople) branch is called IN GREEK as, for example, the Constantinople (or Russian) ORTHODOX (and other, other ... full name is also long).

BOTH of these options literally translates into Russian as <Inamearek> ORTHODOX Church.

It is understandable, everyone considers his version the most correct canon.

[Stanislas]

Quote: abrakadabre

ORTHODOX is a direct translation from Greek ORTHODOX. By the way, if this word is translated into Latin, then it will sound like a Catholic

There will be no difference between the Latin word "Catholic" in the Greek translation, for the Latin catholicismus (Catholicism) comes from the Greek καθολικός - "universal"; in Russian translation "Catholic Church" means the universal church.

[Ka3ak]

We believe in the catholic church. This is in the symbol of faith: conciliar.
You are right.

[Ratibor]

Money does not hide !!! Academician

ORTHODOXY - (from Greek orthodoxes orthodox) English. orthodoxy; him. Orthodoxie. Encyclopedia of Sociology
Scientist tell me what Nikon was doing in his reforms not only how he was baptized (three fingers or two fingers), they still rewrote books ... wise guy

[does it]

Quote: Orik

I will answer once to your nonsense. ORTHODOX means RIGHT BLESSING GOD, unlike Catholic and other heretics and schismatics.

It's like; "Long live OAO RPC"?

[Ptah]

Let's have something fresher ... This has already been pretty pretty.

[Ka3ak]

"Numb and sword", sorry, but this is fantasy.
Paganism is a surprisingly secular religion; it does not contain an ideological core. There is no theology in it.
In essence, it is everything on everything: tradition + a sacred element that spills syncretically throughout the life of society. That is, you put up a house - a ritual. Moving a ritual. You go to war is a ritual.
This feature made it possible to adopt Christianity relatively peacefully (relatively) to most European nations. I studied from sources the adoption of Christianity in Scandinavia.
The fact is that since the sacred is spilled over all social life and merged with it. The most important person in public life is the prince, king. With its effectiveness, it was considered the owner of some good luck - evidence of its sacred power. If he is a talented military leader and victory with him, then the gods are with him. I remind you that in paganism the gods were not ABSOLUTE. They did not even control their fate. ROCK oars over all of them. Which determined everything.
So the lucky prince accepting a new faith caused enormous cognitive dissonance in the minds of the pagans, for this reason in fact, I see that there were no mass protests against Vladimir in Russia. The king of Norway before he was killed by bonds, managed to mess up.
And Prince Vladimir was not a timid dozen, took idols dropped into the Dnieper, seeing such an insult and absolute impunity of the prince from the sacred world, people went after the prince.
In addition, the human soul strives for Truth. From a philosophical point of view, this path was completely unjustified in the pagan system.
This is another reason why our ancestors accepted the Christian faith.
Well, the very ideological component of Christianity is not just head and shoulders above the pagan one, but cannot be compared. The idea of ​​the Creator is a personality, omnipotent, omniscient, beginningless, but the One who came and became a man and died for people and gave an example to all people how to love, to the end and to the cross. And resurrected. All this is against the inexorable and senseless and without reasonable fate ... Agree to choose from nothing.
I think so.

[Lexs81]

The swastika as a symbol of Nazism is less than a hundred years old. And as a symbol of the sun, goodness and the endless movement of life in the universe - thousands of years. So which of the values ​​is more correct? If you follow your logic, then the rewritten false story has more rights to life than true, but forgotten.

In the name of Christ, no less blood was shed on the earth, starting with the Crusades and the Inquisition. That's where people were burned.

And it is not the Kolovrat that makes cattle out of people, but the directed, paid long-term propaganda of Western "friends".

PS Slavs are written with "A", from the word praise, glorious.

[tomket]

Slavs are like Saltykov-Shchedrin, because what the hell are the Slavs after the millennium of friendship of peoples.

[tomket]

The same Yuri Dolgoruky, half Saxon, is he a purebred Slav ???

[andj61]

Quote: tomket

The same Yuri Dolgoruky, half Saxon, is he a purebred Slav ???

From Wiki:

After 650 years, V.N. Tatishchev declared Yuri's birth date 1090, which makes him the son of the first wife of Vladimir Monomakh, the daughter of the last reigning Anglo-Saxon king Harold II, Gita of Wessex. However, the Gürgeva mother, about whom Vladimir Monomakh's “Instruction” speaks, died on May 7, 1107. This does not allow her to be identified with the Gita, who died on March 10, probably 1098. Thus, Yuri Vladimirovich could be the son of the second wife of his father Efimia and was born between 1095-1097 and 1102 years (the last date is the year of birth of his younger brother Andrei) [2].
According to one version, his son Andrei Bogolyubsky was born around 1111, and the eldest son Rostislav Yuryevich, respectively, even earlier. It is unlikely that Yuri at this time could be less than 16-17 years old.

So it’s hardly half sax. Rather, three-quarters of the Greek is a Greek grandmother, and mother Efimia is most likely Greek.
But he is Russian by birth and upbringing.

[andj61]

Quote: Lexs81

PS Slavs are written with "A", from the word praise, glorious

This is in the modern language, and earlier, even 700 years ago - "Slovene".

[SVAROGE]

POWER IS IN THE TRUTH!!!!!

[SVAROGE]

If so to argue, then under the flag of Russia there are a sufficient number of bastards trying to destroy the consciousness and morality of the Russian people ... But this is not a reason: to put everyone in one shitty row !!!
Therefore, relax and do not judge strictly ...!

[Corsair0304]

Quote: tomket

So my dear slovenians, how many did you see the Natsiks who burned people under the banners and faces of Christ? Huh? Did not see?

...Especial zeal in the "fiery" fight against heretics was shown by the English Queen Mary Tudor, who received the nickname Bloody, and the Supreme Inquisitor of Spain, Torquemada. According to the historian J.A. Llorente, during the 18 years of Torquemada's activity, 8800 people climbed the fire. The first auto-da-fé on charges of witchcraft in Spain took place in 1507, the last in 1826. In 1481, 2 people were burned alive in Seville alone.
The Bishop of Geneva burned 500 witches in three months; Bishop of Wamberg - 600, Bishop of Würzburg - 900. In 1586, summer was late in the Rhine provinces and the cold lasted until June; this could only be the work of witchcraft, and the Bishop of Trier burned 118 women and 2 men. In 1227, as the chronicle says, in Novgorod, “four wise men were burned out.” When a plague epidemic broke out in Pskov in 1411, 12 women were immediately burned on charges of spreading the disease. The next year, mass burning of people took place in Novgorod.

The abovementioned Nazis were definitely not, but they burned them. Kolovrat, as a symbol, does not make people like cattle. It's just that everyone uses it for their own purposes, hiding behind them as "champions of the purity of the race."

[SHOCK.]

Quote: tomket

Bah !!! Yes, here the Slovenians began to catch up !!!!

If it goes like this, the word "Slavs" will soon become a household word. Very bad and very rude. I respect my history and Slavic symbols, because this is my history and the symbols of my ancestors. No need to mix everything in one pile, and confuse bull eggs with northern lights.

[Ka3ak]

Bah!) And what kind of Vedic Russian written sources are these in the advertisement?
And what kind of Slavic wisdom? What kind of ideas?
* draws in air through the nostrils *
Fantasy smells in the air ...

[Vrvarius]

I’m afraid of such citizens. they have explanations for everything, often fantastic. despite the fact that for the most part these are not young people.

[FC SKIF]

in fact, the swastika was once a positive sign. Svasti is good, and ka is the amplification of the word. Those. very good. but after Hitler it is a symbol of death and fascism. Forever and ever.

[Corsair0304]

Yes unfortunately. As well as the word "blue (e)" is now interpreted not as one of the colors. I like the blue sky and the cartoon "Blue Puppy" - also kind and bright. It's just that all sorts of gan..ny distort, give a negative meaning to many initially positive things and phenomena. Plus to you.

[Same lech]

TWO DANGEROUS INTERNAL ENEMIES FORMED FOR RUSSIA NOW .... this is Nazism and liberalism.
Both of these enemies can unite in an effort to DESTROY RUSSIA and destroy US AS A PEOPLE.

Therefore, the Criminal Code of RUSSIA must have specific terms for the propaganda of the destructive ideas of Nazism and Liberalism.
Our enemies do not hesitate to use our weaknesses and our ignorance of history, politics, economics .... therefore, all sane people should learn to learn and study again.


To confuse some kind of frenzied liberal or Nazi, you need to know the WORLD BETTER THAN.

[nahalenok911]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Our enemies do not hesitate to use our weaknesses and our ignorance of history, politics, economics .... therefore, all sane people should learn to study and study again.

Yes, yes ... You have to study. And not just learn, but LEARN !! Only first it is necessary to restore order in the Ministry of Education, to return the best, but forgotten. And to increase budgetary places in universities. And in "colleges" and generally canceled paid.

[robinson_25rus]

"Learn the story! This is not a swastika! This is a symbol of the sun! It’s called Kolovrat!"

Funny ..... No matter how moronic it may sound, but on the picture there is a thunderbolt .. Well, here is the Kolovrat:

[Ratibor]

it's a fasc destroyer, not a kolovrat

[Ivan Tarasov]

Ratibor

it's a fasc destroyer, not a kolovrat

Absolutely.
Symbol of destruction and self-destruction.
Kolovrat - a symbol of the Sun, was indicated in yellow.

[Rakti-kali]

Quote: Ratibor

it's a fasc destroyer, not a kolovrat

Um ... SHIELD? I mean, what's the difference? Why breed extra entities? Do you live north of the equator? Become "facing the sun" - that is, face south. How does the sun move? Correctly from left to right. Now mentally travel south of the equator. Repeat the experiment. How does the sun move? That's right, from right to left.
Conclusion: a swastika is a swastika - a symbol of the sun - regardless of the direction of the rays.
But the "northern" swastika in a round white field on scarlet is already the flag of the Third Reich.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: robinzon_25rus

Funny ..... No matter how moronic it may sound, but on the picture there is a thunderbolt .. Well, here is the Kolovrat:

As a matter of fact, the Kolovrat (swastika) is all-old an ancient sign, and nothing more! And the meaning is WE put in it! Each to the best of his own presentation!
Nadnyah, he wrote to an article about the deceased hero of the DPR: GLORY TO THE HEROES! But then I thought for a long time: did I put it right, because the Bandenites were able to slander the correct saying !!!! Then I remembered, on the building I regularly pass by, the inscription "glory to the heroes of labor" “And since I completely agree with her, then Bandera is going for it. for me the inscription: GLORY TO THE HEROES is a wonderful slogan, the best country-USSR !!!!

[washi]

Quote: robinzon_25rus

Well, here is the Kolovrat:

This is a Nazi swastika (counterclockwise movement).
Kolovrat moves clockwise.
Auto Nicholas 2

[Stanislas]

Quote: Vasya

Kolovrat moves clockwise.

From the point of view of the observer standing in front of the machine. And from the point of view of Nicholas II sitting in the car - counterclockwise. So it is with the Sun.

[Ivan Tarasov]

robinson_25rus

Funny ..... No matter how moronic it may sound, but on the picture there is a thunderbolt .. Well, here is the Kolovrat:

The GP was preparing this symbolism for Russia at the beginning of the 20th century, there was a plan to make Russia the shock core, then, when the VP thwarted a plan for Russia - the GP realized it in Germany in the 30s.
A true Kolovrat looks like this;

[Leah]

All this swastika is basically runic ties, consisting of separate runes superimposed on each other. There are different runes, among them there are Slavic runes. I studied runes a little. Specifically, this symbol is a runic tie, consisting of two soulu runes. Hitler was a mystic, with the help of these symbols he tried to magic))) He simply vulgarized these ancient symbols and thanks to him, his actions and deeds, they are associated with fascism, extremely negatively.
If we consider the interpretation of Germanic runes then:
The magical application of this rune is directly related to its definitions as runes of victory, runes of power and runes of integrity. It is believed that the rune of Soul is able to direct a person or a created situation to gaining integrity. In addition, the rune Soul can help you clarify an obscure situation and push you to the right decision.
Magically, the meaning of this rune is power, understood as the inseparable unity of the Force, “that which leads,” and the Power, “that which acts》
Germanic runes »Rune Soul (Soul), Senior Futark
The rune of victory, the rune of power and the rune of integrity. Some authors tend to define the rune of the Sun as the rune of the result, and in a certain sense it makes sense - indeed, integrity, a synthesis of opposites is the result of any movement. It also means creative energy.
When I see "brave fellows" with a swastika - for me these are fascists and Nazis, but at the same time I realize that these are runes and some very bad radishes are just using them in the name of their not very good goals

[does it]

Quote: robinzon_25rus

Funny ..... No matter how moronic it may sound, but on the picture there is a thunderbolt .. Well, here is the Kolovrat:

This is just plagiarism! Faded German Nazis at the Buddhists.

[varela]

Some nonsense about anything ...

[andrejwz]

Quote: varela

Some nonsense about anything ...

And this is the reverse side of the medal - "witch hunt". Teach a fool to pray, he will hurt his forehead.

[Bosk]

People are killed and burned not by symbols, but by the same people, and here it is already necessary to understand symbolism, there are two ways out or to turn the other cheeks or to beat according to the principle of "Eye for OKO", the east of Ukraine has already decided what to do, but other regions have more .. ...

[Vadim Skeptic]

So for the rotifers - now what? To wear - not to wear? And if you wear, then what? To claim that the Kolovrat is irrelevant is outright nonsense. With the same success, it can be stated that the Great Patriotic War is irrelevant.

[020205]

Yes, I came across such, faith in the family and in the god of the fart is certainly strong. And we are stupid believe in the God of the Jew! But these very Jews of Jesus Christ did not crucify out of great love

[Ratibor]

why are you insulting

[Ptah]

Quote: 020205

believe in the god of the jew!

1. And who claims this?
2.And who benefits from declaring this way? The only thing - with the aim of exposing "his" people as a traitor.
3.And where and sources direct reference to the nationality of Jesus? After all, an analysis of all the facts cited in the Gospels indicates just the opposite.

Let's put it briefly. At the time of Christ, such a "nation" as the JEWS did not exist at all. This is a "collective image" of many tribes.
The Father of Jesus Joseph is not his BLOOD FATHER (the Immaculate Conception as the basis for a miracle. Even recognized by Joseph).
Mother Mary is a Galilean woman. Even according to the Jewish halakhah, when kinship is considered by the MOTHER - Christ - NOT JEWS!

Quote: 020205

faith in the clan and in the god of fart is certainly strong.

But your own. Homegrown ts .... As an alternative to the Tolkienists ..... They have "Tolkun-Kniga", our "Childbirth, Vedas, Skins and Mopeds" ...

[Michael_59]

What is the article about?
That the author is too lazy to open historical materials? See what is Kolovrat, salting, salting?
That history should be known only a hundred or two years ago?
For the recognition of the merits of our ancestors and the Soviet government in particular - "plus", for everything else - "minus".
About nothing ...

[tomket]

brains are not enough to connect one with the other? or do you show an academic approach in everything7 We studied salting - oh, how good, ah, we become educated. These are the same academicians who have beaten the head of the youth in Ukraine, hell now they recognize us as one people since the time of Kievan Rus. they were brainwashed that they are descended from protoukrov. So with Kolovrat you will be brainwashed. You will first study everything academically, and then practically learn the faith of your ancestors and their customs.

[mackonya]

And what symbols would not be used, it all depends on what is covered under these symbols, the essence of the "actions" is important here, and not what designation or display it carries. The crusade, too, as everyone knows, was covered with crosses (Christ the Savior).

[chunga-changa]

How did popular fascism in the USSR begin, with a film about Stirlitz. The Nazis there are athletic, fit and in good shape, everything is clean and tidy. Now they are adapting fascism to Russia. Athletic, taut Slavs with strict blue eyes in a beautiful knee-length shirt, a sword, a ribbon on their foreheads, cleanliness and order all around. Those who like it, but specialists worked and everyone likes it, now they sing - but this is a completely different matter, this is Kolovrat, and the article is muddy. Of course it’s muddy, so the Nazis in Ukraine believe that they are doing everything right and even more, they are doing a good job, but on their sleeves they don’t have a swastika, but some kind of wolf horseradish, and this is a completely different matter. When young people walk around Moscow with a "kolovrat" on their sleeves and sticks in their hands, don't be surprised. At first they will shout chock-get, caucasian-on-gilyak, but then everything will quickly fall into place, anyone who is not with us is against us, and very quickly they will have weapons. Then the country will go to work indifferently, and at this time a couple of thousand "Kolovrats" will ride around the cities and cut people.

[nahalenok911]

Quote: chunga-changa

How fascism in the USSR began, with a film about Stirlitz. The fascists there are athletic, fit and in good shape, all around clean and tidy.

This is a turn of thought !!! I'm in shock!
I can agree with the rest, but this opus "omits" everything.

I put a minus

[tokin1959]

but pay attention - the German fascists - in any film - are clean, even in the trenches, all ironed, polished, washed and combed, with glamorous swastikas. and the Red Army men - dirty, unshaven, ragged

[Corsair0304]

Look at the chronicle, especially 43-45gg. There, exactly the opposite.

[Ptah]

Quote: nahalenok911

I put a minus

Me too... You.

[nahalenok911]

Quote: Ptah

Quote: nahalenok911

I put a minus

Me too... You.

Your right!

[Ptah]

Well, since such an opportunity, and the right was given to me by the admins and the construction of the site ...
And now you "+". For understanding and courtesy!

[kashtak]

then a natural response and in the end ordered a war? don't care paid

[kashtak]

then a natural response and in the end ordered a war? don't care paid

[Corsair0304]

Not the fact that they will ride and cut people. Ask yourself why young, athletic people come together, put on masks / headbands and go out with bats? Perhaps this is a response to the fact that the Slavs were cut in the streets and slaughtered by the crowd?

[Vladycat]

And the article is subjective, not disclosing all aspects. I agree that there are more "historians" now than you probably need. But definitely one size fits all probably do not need to scratch. The concept of nationalism is very multifaceted, for example:
"Big Encyclopedic Dictionary -" NATIONALISM "
NATIONALISM, ideology and politics in the national question, the basis of which is the interpretation of the nation as the highest value and form of community. " and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. There are also many negative definitions, which suggests that it is being modified in our heads. It is necessary to have your head on your shoulders and when receiving any information, especially of this nature, do not forget that this is just the author's point of view and not the ultimate truth. I know young people who, for some holidays that are understandable only to them, dress up in Slavic shirts with embroidered kolovrats, svarozhichs and other symbols reminiscent of the classic swastika. And what? Nationalists? Maybe, but they lead a healthy lifestyle, most often there are no bad habits, they go in for active sports, they have a concept of honor and dignity and do not touch anyone. Russian nationalism has always been distinguished by tolerance towards other peoples, as long as our laws are respected on our land. Even now, when they throw mud at us, we still feel sorry for many, and when they beat us, we hit back. It is very bad that in our history a whole layer of memories has been torn out that determined us as it was, we probably will never know. But there was definitely something there.

[Iskander_ru39]

What about chauvinism and Shiropaev Aleksei Alekseevich?

[Vladycat]

Shiropaev Alexey Alekseevich is not familiar with his works. So he looked. Let what he wants and declare. Personally, I became an atheist (baptized) I must believe in myself :)

[Iskander_ru39]

Be sure to check out. And you will understand that the defenders of the fierce individualism in Zalesie and healthy liberalism are fed from one magic dish.

[alebor]

Unfortunately, we do not have a clear terminology. The word "nationalism" is interpreted by different people in completely different ways. Some positively, perceiving the term "nationalism" as an analogue of patriotism. Patriotism is love for one's country, nationalism is love for one's people. There is nothing wrong with either the first or the second, on the contrary, every decent person is a patriot and a nationalist (in the meaning given above). But many understand nationalism as a synonym for chauvinism and even fascism, as an ideology of dislike and even hatred for other peoples. Probably, it is necessary to separate nationalism and ultranationalism. Extremes are always harmful. Patriotism, taken to the extreme, when it becomes ultra-patriotism, jingoism, turns from a positive phenomenon into a negative, harmful and dangerous phenomenon for the state. When the positive quality of nationalism turns into radical nationalism, it becomes just as harmful and dangerous as radical patriotism. Even in normal liberalism there is nothing wrong, liberalism protects the interests of the individual, his rights and freedoms. But when liberalism is taken to extremes, it turns into a destructive force that destroys everything in its path - the country, the family, morality. So we often interpret the same term in completely different ways.
It seems to me that a clearer terminology should be developed to distinguish good from bad, healthy from the patient. If nationalism is interpreted as a negative phenomenon, an analogue of fascism, then what word should we use to call a person who has nothing against other peoples, but who loves his people and advocates for the observance of his legitimate rights and interests?

[aleks77]

I agree, damn it. Any healthy feeling can be ruined to the point of absurdity, and vice can be elevated to the rank of virtue, which is what the West does. I have a positive attitude towards healthy nationalism, but I hate fascists.
I do not like those who hate and betray the neighboring nations, and I hate those who hate and betray their own.
It is one thing when they defend their right to freedom for themselves and those who surround you and it is quite another to impose it with another force, to force them to replace their beliefs and morality by calling it freedom.
It is one thing when someone has their own opinion, customs, point of view, and quite another when they forcefully impose fagot, drugs, betrayal while depriving them of the right to simply refuse that you are unacceptable and monstrously hiding behind tolerance.
And there is no need to mix Slavic, Russian, Orthodox and Soviet symbols - with Nazi, fascist, Bendery and Satanist brands.

[Corsair0304]

Quote: alebor

Patriotism is love for one’s country, nationalism is love for one’s people. There is nothing wrong with either the first or the second, on the contrary, every decent person is a patriot and a nationalist (in the above meaning).
It seems to me that a clearer terminology should be developed to distinguish good from bad, healthy from the patient. If nationalism is interpreted as a negative phenomenon, an analogue of fascism, then what word should we use to call a person who has nothing against other peoples, but who loves his people and advocates for the observance of his legitimate rights and interests?

Totally agree with you. You can’t say better. + Deep respect to you

[leo44]

Here is how. I wonder how many people showed this blot in the middle of 40-s and received in response “not the reaction”, or, most likely, not the reaction, but something stronger? Butt hit or bullet in the forehead?

These are all consequences of the collapse of the USSR. The people do not have an acceptable ideology, and that's who in what much. Resting Buddha statue with a swastika. Slavs are pagans. Already many years ago, Rus' moved away from paganism. Russia has long been Orthodox. Children draw the sun a circle with rays - straight rays. Everyone who wants to revive paganism - perhaps, it is possible, they themselves do not understand where and who is trying to lead them, so to speak. There is no need to make a cult out of what has already been passed. Paganism had its own cults, its own symbols, and to return to them 100% is tantamount to a rollback many centuries ago.

[Ivan Tucha]

You are a little mistaken, we have not departed from paganism, for centuries we have assimilated it with new realities, replacing many with new names. There are many examples of this. Explicit and graphic - Maslenitsa, do you like pancakes?
They are right that returning to past symbols is, of course, utopia, but you don’t need to know or remember them either.

[Bosk]

They didn’t leave, it’s still an understatement, the same Ivanov’s day ... I don’t know how it is in Russia, but in Latvia, if you didn’t even drink champagne on New Year’s Eve, then your neighbor will understand you, but let’s say if Ivanov (local Yankees) didn’t turn up the day a kebab with a beer then ... they will start to worry, because here, according to the rating, Ivan's Day is many times more popular than the same Christmas and New Year, and the funny thing is that the Latvian anthem begins with the words "God bless Latvia", then they still wonder why the country is in such a priest, but how different, every fifth or tenth goes to church, and then mostly for show, and everyone celebrates a pagan holiday, such a sadness ...

[Leah]

If some people want to become pagans and return to the faith of distant ancestors, this is their right. Everyone must decide for himself what to believe, who to be - Orthodox, Muslim, Buddhist or pagan or anyone else, this should not be imposed. At the same time, the state must observe and control the situation in order to prevent the emergence of various sects where people are brainwashed and profit from it.

[ava09]

Based on the logic of some who are glad to anathematize the swastika, our ancestors - the ancient Rus were all fascists? If Hitler appropriated the symbol of the rebirth of the sun and the life of the savage ideology that he adopted, then we need to condemn our ancestors? We call our Vedas history, when I write "Rus", the Yandex proofreader indicates that there is no such word. This is fine? Maybe all these nasty ideologies, such as "Fascism", "Zionism", etc. and penetrated into the minds of people, due to the fact that we have forgotten the wisdom of our ancestors?

[Zenturion77]

There is not a word of condemnation to the ancestors in the article, but there is a hint that people who rehabilitate the Kolovrats and other attributes of antiquity often adhere to the right views, and this flirting with symbolism can again play an evil "schyutka" with people.

[Komisare]

ava09, invalid output

[svp67]

Yes, the "swastika" is an ancient symbol of the sun and it was often used earlier, even on the money of the Russian Empire and the USSR,

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And as emblems

but as always, the devil is in the details, and it is in the color ... our ancestors used different colors and red and gold colors when drawing, they were POSITIVE colors, but black ... The Nazi swastika is a symbol of the BLACK sun, and it not when people did not bring warmth and happiness ...

[kashtak]

thunder wheel kolovrat zig etc. ancient symbols, when I walk around the city and see a Celtic cross, and next to famous slogans, I understand that the one who mixed the history of the Motherland with r .... m smells like the right sector or the break and muddy

[Ratibor]

Article to put it mildly not competent
If anyone is interested in Solar symbols read the Slavic-Aryan-Vedas Book of Light (second book)

[Sreben]

Strange article! And here Kolovrat or Kolo gate, it is not clear under the same cross many crimes were committed. And the point is not in symbols, but in the mentality in the spirit of the people, if you understand the same Orthodox faith did not go far from Slavic paganism, often simply replacing pagan holidays with its own, well, it had more gloss of gold. Even its name "right to glory" was taken from paganism, because in Byzantium there was no Orthodox Church and it was called differently. And the use of the swastika by the Nazis is essentially the same as the use of the cross by the crusaders, they also carried the "word of the Lord" to the Arabs, and they tried to convey it to us. I repeat once again that a symbol is just a symbol and that's all, you don't have to treat everyone with the same brush.

[kashtak]

Russia has formed dozens of peoples and tribes. Nationalism is for her a synonym for civil war who does not agree. See news on Ukraine. Freedom is possible only for all or for no one.

[Giant thought]

The Nazis can use any symbolism, if only more people can embrace their ideology. But the essence is that they remain unchanged, we know this and will fight against fascism until it completely disappears from our land.

[jagdpanzer]

What symbols to find fault do not understand?

[Ivan Tucha]

Why deliberately confuse the swastika with the Kolovrat? Maybe the author will start an attempt to remove the Kolovrat from Russian-Slavic, Finno-Ugric folklore? In the house I bought three years ago, I have all towels with his image, tablecloths and much more. It is not necessary to make a conscious substitution of concepts and symbols. So that your indigenous symbols do not turn into a symbol of nationalists, you need to give a normal story from school, and not two paragraphs about Kievan Rus. Then the youth will perceive the age-old symbols reasonably, correctly. Now, separate historical clubs are closely involved in history and their members are more educated in the history of the period, archeology, folklore, ethnography than most of us or secondary school teachers, simply because they are not too lazy to read sources, compare facts, and reproduce elements of costume with their own hands. Alas, these people are few and yes, many of them, having learned the reality of the past in their studies and disputes, begin to lean towards nationalist ideas, knowing how distorted the history of our people is.
Therefore, do not mix your age-old symbols with perverted mud.

[Svetlana]

Let the patterns were worn once upon a time. But now for more than a century they are not relevant among our people. Creative, talented, strong and BUILDING Russian people!

I don't see the relationship. Nonsense. The ancient Vedic symbols have been and remain, regardless of whether you understand their meaning or not. They cannot be relevant or not relevant in the same way that the sun itself and nature itself, which they depict, cannot be relevant or not relevant. Modern people for the most part do not know the meaning of these symbols. And after the Second World War, in which the Nazis fought under them, they were simply banned at the state level and no longer studied. But nothing has changed from this. Ancient temples with a swastika both stood and stand. Ancient towels and Russian shirts in museums with a swastika embroidered on them also remained. And why now mix the most ancient symbols, Hitler's fascism and modern Nazism into one pile. If you consider the swastika fascist and spit in it, what will you change in this world for the better? The best proof of their negative attitude towards fascism is the example of those guys who voluntarily go to their death, protecting themselves and their families from Bandera scumbags. And to sit in your hut on the edge of the village and scold the ancient symbols is, at least, stupidity. Or do you think that our ancient ancestors were not creative, talented and creative? How did the world evolve then, can you explain?

[Zenturion77]

The article turned out to be incomplete, but the author outlined the outlines of the theme capable of playing the "Ukrainian" scenario in Russia in the future (God forbid, of course). For a long time I began to notice the network activity of the "Old Believers" and other admirers of the "ancestors": opinions about the Orthodox faith, as about the Jewish-reptilian expansion into Mother Russia, the baptism of Russia with "fire-sword", just like the prophet Magomed with Islam, that the Magi not ordinary heretics, idolaters (to put it in clerical language), but downright sage-priests, keepers of good traditions.
In general, an interesting question was raised in the article, but very little research so far ...

[sergej30003]

in order to know who we are and what gods our ancestors prayed for, what symbols wore, we need to study not history from the baptism of Russia, because history is written by the rulers, but to read the annals, at least from the occurrence of Hyperborea.

[Yellow white]

If one mu marked at the time (1933-1945), then do not cross out thousands of years of history, religion and belief, and not only Russia, India as an example, Tibet, continue ???
Muddy article, I agree!

[Komisare]

Stupidity is when a person does not understand what his actions lead to.

The use of "fern symbols", "sun" - everything should be perceived as propaganda of nationalism.

Otherwise, the situation will be like with spice - it’s impossible to resolve, we can’t ban - the formula is changing. Convenient provocation. Fooling people from the opposite.

[Ross]

Quote: maestro123

Muddy article.

Worse! Another substitution of concepts! Any symbols are not random and carry a deep meaning and load. But some secret societies are engaged in the substitution of concepts, meanings, not by chance. As well as with the most ancient symbol of the Earth, the swastika-sun, and with the symbols of the same Ukraine. The falling falcon of Rurik (our ancient Russian symbol of the Ruriks) is "softly" complemented by the trident of Atlantis, the heritage of the Anglo-Saxons. And there are many such moments. Denying the ancient Kolovrat - will we indulge the Masons? We transfer hatred of the Nazis and Bandera to the ancient symbolism of our ancestors ???
PS: How often hotheads work for puppeteers.

[Kahlan amnell]

And the Bible whispered to the Qur'an:
"Do you want me to become your sister?"
And the Quran rustled in response to her:
"Forgive me for so many mortal wounds."
She sighed, moving the page:
"I am not guilty of torture of the Inquisitions,
and you are not guilty of a bloody massacre.
We are books. We do not know the violence.
But shepherds and authorities climbed into us,
and brought in their own passions ..."
Suddenly, as if from a hibernation he had come back,
came the voice of "Capital" Marx:
“I’m sorry, you didn’t get communism.
He was a ghost and a ghost.
Relating to the people that to livestock,
the leaders rewrote me with blood.
For the sake of all the tailor tyrants
I replaced the Bible with the Koran. "
And three books froze, as if on a chopping block,
over the corpses in Baku and Karabakh.
An attempt to replace all faith with Marx
ended with a bloody terrible farce.
There are no giaurs. All faiths are precious
like herbs all according to the books of Avicenna.
To hold back the killers of the coming rush
religions of all countries, unite!
And Mohammed weeps in Karabakh
over brother - over the slaughtered Christ
in a peasant bloodied shirt
to the back pressed with a penal cross.

Evgeny Evtushenko

[Iskander_ru39]

Symbols arise and disappear, are borrowed, like a two-headed eagle. The swastika is forever cursed by the Russian world - under it They came to destroy us as a people. And talking about the swastika on the eve of the Holy Holiday is blasphemous. Ah, we remember the ancestors.
And over the defeated Reichstag
Scarlet Igor's banners.


But we remember This too:

[yllo]

Let's say I really don't want to wear a Christian cross just because the Russian church appears to me in the form of a fat priest in a golden robe, on a cart, which instead of horses is harnessed by old women. In other words, the church has discredited itself. But a person needs faith. Only for this reason, now I have a swastika symbol on me, which in no way causes nationalist sentiments in me (unlike the media). But at the same time, I believe that "rodnovery" is a specially designed misinformation masterfully combining truth and lies . And I'm smart enough not to show the swastika symbol to a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, because for them this is evil in its purest form.

[Varang42]

this symbol, although ancient and inherently light ... defiled by the affairs of people ... and will for a long time be perceived as a symbol of evil ... in any case in Russia.

[Vladislav]

The author will agree to the fact that there was no Slavic calendar, according to which it is now 7522. Maybe even Mythodius and Cyril brought a letter to Russia? I do not like the Russian Gods - pray for a crucified Jew, but the history of your ancestors (if Russian, Tatar or any of those whose ancestors lived for centuries on the territory of modern Russia) could be studied more deeply. And it is not necessary to take information from nat. or other sites designed for ... yes on b_yd_l_o (I did not find a suitable word, I had to use Polish) - there are more serious sources of information.
And it didn’t come to mind that they had slipped the swastika to Hitler to discredit the Slavic sacred graphics? Hitler then (and fascism), younger than the swastika for several thousand years. The Slavs never had how many ray-ray stars, and all the symbolism was swastistic (see really ancient national embroidery (not Ukrainian embroidery, but historical))

[Ross]

Quote: Humpty

There are many, where in the past there was an image of a Kolovrat, and what? Draw it on your forehead and be moved by the realization of your "own greatness"? Surely, one of the very distant ancestors went naked. Following this logic, you can dump on the street. outward to feel the "connection of times", until the first cop or the first adequately responding person you meet.

In order to avoid empty talk about scalar symbols, you need to change the education in the school about the ancient Slavs, about the meanings of not only them, but generally symbolism.
Symbolism - it is always neutral, more important is who and what uses it.

[Iskander_ru39]

Tell it to veterans, southeast of Ukraine. The symbol primarily reflects the idea in the name of which people live and die.

[Vladislav]

Right. Education is our biggest misfortune .. Ukraine is a good example, even for 40 years people didn’t have to drive through the desert ..

[Energet1k_]

The swastika is an ancient symbol of the movement of our galaxy (4 arms) around its center. What is not clear? The fact that the author "pulled" someone's comments and cited them as some kind of evidence does not do him credit. In this way, it is possible for any resource (even ours) to form an absolutely opposite image than the one that actually exists. It is necessary to look for common facets that unite us, and not vice versa! Why did the author pull out some kind of symbol, although quite important, but did not write at all what this Vedic system is based on: To live in conscience and in harmony with nature? Are we divided into red and white again?

[Svetlana]

Yes, that's right, they are trying to set us against each other, as in Ukraine. It is impossible to associate ancient symbols with modern Nazism. Nazism is a perverted form of nationalism that has nothing to do with patriotism. And the knowledge of one's history and the faith of one's ancestors is a healthy patriotism, which from time immemorial encourages to do great deeds and gives strength to defeat enemies. This is a powerful weapon, but once in the hands of corrupt evil spirits, it is directed against its own people. It can only be used by professionals.

[SBC]

All symbolism is a way to excite the majority (inert, philistine mass) of actions, and what actions will the swastika, Kolovrat, trident encourage?

[andj61]

And it is so clear that Kolovrat, Kolo, Suastika, Svasti and other names of similar solar signs have actually been known for millennia. And indeed the Indo-Europeans (and Slavs!) worshiped them, used them as amulets, etc.
But in the 20th century, this symbol was trashed, completely sullied by the German Nazis, and now hardly anyone does not associate this symbol with the followers of Hitler’s fascism.
I admit that not all those who chose such signs as their symbol are Nazis, but so far history and reality speak of the opposite - they are Nazis, or people confused by Nazis.
And the article is indeed somewhat chaotic.

[Marine One]

Oh, mommy... How many city crazy people have come running. The last time something like this happened was in an article about Dyatlov and a wandering nano-bullet.

[Cnukep]

Article in the style: "Divide and conquer"! It feels like it was written with the aim of quarreling as many people as possible! Our history is paganism and Christianity and atheism with faith in the mighty USSR and it’s all OURS!!! We may have different views and beliefs, but we have one MOTHERLAND!!! Minus from me to the author!

[serge]

Tolerance for the Kolovrat (or the swastika, it doesn’t matter) did not arise out of nowhere in the Russian movement of the 90s. This was a response to Jewish dominance in the Russian state apparatus. Because the symbol of the swastika simply makes Jews cringe. Unlike the Russians, who strangled fascists at all times - from the Romans with the Khazars to the Napoleonic and Nazis. That is, the Kolovrat as a symbol is used to show Jews that they are not the masters of Russia.

[Chicot 1]

Don’t lump everything into one pile, dear Author... And it seems to me that it was not Kolovrat himself (as a symbol) that disturbed your vulnerable soul, but the history of pagan and pre-Christian Rus'. And Kolovrat served only as an excuse...
So let me ask, Egor - what didn’t please you about the Rus' of the times of Oleg and Svyatoslav?.. Is it not because, under any circumstances, it did not lend itself to Christianization by Byzantium and Rome?.. And is it not for that very reason that you are now don’t like modern pagans?..
Minus for narrow-mindedness...

PS And in order to prevent stupid attacks from overly zealous followers of the Christian faith, I declare right away - I am an atheist. And for me, people professing any religion are completely equal and the same. But I don’t accept stupid religious fanaticism and obscurantism in any form... I hope my position is clear?.. Well, at least the sensible part of my colleagues on the site...

[sazhka4]

This is Our History..You can’t run away from it.I am Russian, I am glad and proud that I am a pagan..After all, We were not always Orthodox..Prince Vladimir from Kyiv, with thousands of victims drowned in the Dnieper. Doesn't remind me of anything.? But the Church is silent. Waiting for the “winner”? Prove me otherwise..

[volot-voin]

“A people devoid of custom is a rabble” Svyatoslav Khorobry.
There is no need to confuse Russian nationalists, who are ready to give their lives for their people and their Motherland, with the German National Assembly and with the Banderaites, who were raised specifically to separate Ukraine from Russia. I am sure that many Russian nationalists are ready to volunteer to defend the South-East of Ukraine from the Bandera infection.
The ancient national symbols of the Indo-European peoples should not be confused with the insignia of the NSDAP and Germany of the 30s and 40s. You need to treat any manifestations of your ancient culture with reverence and respect, including symbolism. Too much has been lost, slandered, denigrated and replaced in the 1000 years since the baptism of Rus': our language, our signs, religion, national elite, etc. So let's respect what has come before our times. Our task is not to destroy, but to restore, collect and multiply.

[WORD]

History is history. The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol that was used by the Nazis in Germany. This is all clear. But the worst thing is the fanaticism grown on this basis. In general, any fanaticism is terrible in itself, no matter in what faith, with what symbols. The main thing is not to take the idea to fanaticism, everything should be in moderation, then there will be benefits from it. Fanaticism can be called anything, its meaning does not change. Don’t be fanatics, have more honor, intelligence and spirit, and we will move mountains.

[Luga]

Personally, I treat symbols very calmly. Here, I posted one. We drew it in the first grade and believed that no one would guess its true meaning
And only now I understood its entire deep meaning - procreation, the fusion of the masculine and feminine principles (two checkmarks pointing up and down, thank you, Dan Brown), the traditions of the Scandinavian runes, the patronage of higher powers (the checkmark above the symbol itself), anyone can come up with also, to bring its depth, so to speak, to the sacred.
In fact, it's just the word x...th, and nothing more. We invented it in first grade.
If someone under this symbol kills a bunch of people, it will evoke feelings similar to those caused by the swastika. Although in reality it's just bullshit.

I agree with those who wrote that it is not symbols that kill, but people. Any combination of dashes, dots, lines and other geometric shapes can be defamed or glorified.

I don’t give a damn what a fascist has on his banner when he goes to kill. My ancestor could fight at Dorostol under the Kolovrat, on the Kulikovo field under the face of the Savior, at Borodino under the two-headed eagle, and at Rzhev my grandfather fought under the banner with a red five-pointed star. At Dorostol, Orthodox Greeks with crosses stood against the Russians, on the Kulikovo Field - Muslims and Catholics with crescents and crucifixes, at Borodino - all of Europe, who with what, and near Rzhev - the fascists with the same Kolovrat or something similar to it.
It is not the symbols that need to be followed, but the ideas.

[Luga]

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[Ross]

Quote: Leah

If some people want to become pagans and return to the faith of distant ancestors, this is their right. Everyone must decide for himself what to believe, who to be - Orthodox, Muslim, Buddhist or pagan or anyone else, this should not be imposed. At the same time, the state must observe and control the situation in order to prevent the emergence of various sects where people are brainwashed and profit from it.

Many people do not understand at all what paganism is. It is already clear to many historians that modern civilization is much inferior to ancient civilizations on Earth (let us remember Sklyarov and his research). Therefore, we have lost a lot of KNOWLEDGE. And lost knowledge is usually replaced by religions.
Ancient knowledge is Vedic, it is not pagan. It’s just that the church introduced into use an abusive term that was convenient for it. The trouble is that this knowledge has largely been lost. And attempts to remember it as a kind of memory of the people lead to the formation of neo-pagan cults. Naturally, these cults are based on the symbols of those eras, but these new cults for the most part do not have an understanding of the true meaning of Vedic symbolism. And we don’t need to indiscriminately criticize what we don’t understand. The time will come, and soon, when the keepers of ancient traditions will gradually reveal to us the meaning. Such examples are already appearing. Read Georgy Sidorov, for example.

[DanSabaka]

Well, there just weren’t enough religious wars on the portal....
I myself am an atheist. And to me, the cross, the crescent, the Kolovrat are equally smooth. I do not condemn or praise any religion. I respect any person’s faith.

[Shum86]

Kolovrat is our Glorious past!!! I personally am pleased with this symbol!)

[SPS33]

Don’t you think the astika is very similar to the symbol of the knightly order “Templars”? that St.

[YeSerg]

I read it and felt sick. Dear ukTV, you need to watch less. Without knowing the topic, writing something is the last thing. One thing is that when this symbol was exalted above the slave religion: in an enlightened Europe they did not wash, did not have toilets, fleas were revered as God's grace. And in Russia, serfdom appeared after Epiphany.

For the author, work with the symbols: OSTINETS, RYSICH, OGNIVIK, SVITOVIT, SVYATCH. There are still a lot of things that can be covered with dirt. Or try to find out why these symbols of 10 centuries are trampled into the dirt while they shine.

[vedross]

KOLOVRAT is the swastika and it is our native Russian symbol of the Sun! With him We will defeat the fascists and all other evil spirits!

[Ratibor]

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If a person is sure that Russia began only with Orthodoxy, then how will he explain that the calendar in Russia before Peter totaled 5 thousand years. Where have they divided these millennia?

The tradition of counting the date from the creation of the world is also a Christian tradition.

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But the difference is that the Rodnovers are looking for the origins of Rus before baptism, while the Orthodox completely deny any pre-Christian Russian culture. And let's ask ourselves why?

The difference is that some people, with their dirty passionate minds, start to engage in science fiction and pass this off as Russian roots, most likely without knowing their great-grandfathers even up to the 5th generation.
And all this from the fact that a living Russian tradition has died. Following the Russian community, this happened in the 70s of the 20th century. Died Russian peasant living culture left. But science fiction cannot be stopped.
Every culture has a carrier. But there are no pre-Christian written sources, no oral sources. But it doesn’t matter.
But there is a fantasy, we multiply it by pride and here is your kindred faith.

There was a time when there were no Russians. There is nothing shameful in this. Every nation has its own role on earth. There were tribes, certainly ethnically related, but not a people. The Russian people as a community was formed in the 9th-11th centuries. Igor, what do you think, just like that, he collected tribute from the ancient Slavic tribes. The merging process has not been completed. So they collected tribute from both the Slavs and the Finno-Ugrians. The Russian people was formed from this mixture because of internal and external unity. Orthodoxy ensured the internal, the princely power external.
That is why any fantasies not built on historical sources must be denied as infection. Because it’s just that this gloom obscures the truly preserved Russian culture, traditions and customs. Replacing them with the fantasies of pseudo-historians.

Dear tell me, the basis of the Christian religion, the Bible of different testaments, is not a fantasy. Regarding the dates, 7522 years from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple (born 2014), the conclusion of peace between us and the dragon (China) symbol of St. George the Victorious. Devout Christians love to appropriate for themselves the merits of others.

[Varyg]

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faces of the gods of the pre-Christian era of the Slavs. So do not deny it!

I do not consider myself an ideal Orthodox Christian (I sin ), but to whom what, but for me God is one.

You're lying - for you there are at least two - These are MOM and DAD!!!

[Corsair0304]

What is the article all about? Does the author consider Kolovrat as a symbol of neo-Nazis? We read:
Kolovrat is one of the Slavic images of the sun. Kolovrat is a sign of Svarog, the creator god, the god of wisdom. It was Svarog who created the Earth, people (through Dazhdbog), and gave people a lot of knowledge, including metal and the plow. The sign of Svarog is a sign of wisdom and supreme justice, the sign of Rule. The traditional image of Kolovrat is often red or yellow.

The article describes the “Gromovik” - a Slavic Heavenly symbol that protects the Ancient heavenly wisdom of the gods (ancient Vedas. Protective purpose - depicted on military weapons and armor; above the entrances to Vaults, so that those who enter them with evil intentions will be struck by Thunder.

So tell me, what’s bad about Kolovrat?

As Luzhsky rightly said here, it is not the symbols that need to be followed, but the ideas.

[Velesovich]

I am Russian. An atheist, but I wear runes and other near-pagan things, simply because I like this topic. Sometimes I wear T-shirts with Kolovrat, but at the same time I have nothing to do with admirers of National Socialism. What is wrong with me?

[aksai61]

I’ll put in my two cents!!! Oh, and how people don’t like to analyze, look for the truth by comparing several sources... Yes, by the way, what is shown in the picture in the title of the article is not KOLOVRAT!!! This is incense! Kolovrat here... The author could have worked hard... if he climbed the sites;) I am not a native believer and not a Christian and not even a Muslim...
I wasn’t too lazy and read books and surfed websites and read the Bible and almost finished reading the Koran (also the Bible)... And I made certain conclusions for myself...
People stop acting like crazy...Start thinking and analyzing!
But you can believe in anything... Some people believe in “green candy wrappers” and live well and they don’t care about all sorts of Kolovrat, crucifixes and crescents, etc. and so on. They laugh at your bickering and earn more “green candy wrappers” from it...The main thing is knowledge!!!
"Strength is in truth!!!" (Danila, film Brother 2)
PS Be civilized...No need to pour dirt on each other!!! Be worthy representatives of your views! Take the trouble to hear your opponent...Understand his point of view...
PPS If I offended anyone, I apologize

[Shatt]

Terrible article, I thought when I would read to the essence, I never found the essence. Just emotions, nothing intelligible