Alexander Novak: Ukraine can not guarantee the transit of gas to Europe

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Alexander Novak: Ukraine can not guarantee the transit of gas to Europe


Kiev has no right to independently revise the price of Russian gas in spite of the existing contracts. This was stated by the Minister of Energy of Russia Alexander Novak following the results of negotiations with his colleagues from Ukraine and the European Union in Warsaw. According to him, the Ukrainian side tried to raise the issue of the cost of fuel, but the Russian delegation refused to discuss it.

In addition, Novak stressed that it is impossible to exclude interruptions in transit gas supplies to Europe, and Ukraine will have to blame for this, reports the Russia 24 channel. Oleksandr Novak noted that urgent measures should be taken both by Ukraine itself and by European partners, who are also responsible for ensuring the transit of gas through Ukraine.

Also, Alexander Novak stressed that the advance payment for gas supplied to Ukraine is not a restriction of supplies. He explained that the payment for gas in April is due on May 7. “That is, if 7 of May does not pay for the gas supplied in April, then 16 of May, Gazprom pays a preliminary bill for the supply of gas in June. Accordingly, until 31 of May, the Ukrainian side will be able to pay this bill, and then the volume of gas which will be delivered in June on an advance payment will be exactly in the amount paid before May 31, "Novak said.
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  1. platitsyn70
    +28
    3 May 2014 19: 40
    so what do Europeans freeze now or let money pay for gas instead of Ukraine.
    1. +9
      3 May 2014 19: 43
      Gas Russia's wealth conquered by ancestors, all for the people!
      1. +51
        3 May 2014 19: 46
        It's time to chop off gas to Ukraine after everything that happened in the Southeast in recent days. It's time to cross the Rubicon.
        1. +11
          3 May 2014 19: 50
          Quote: Deniska999
          It is necessary to chop off gas to Ukraine after everything that happened

          These are half measures. And technologically difficult.
          1. +13
            3 May 2014 22: 19
            And technologically difficult.

            So you need to protect the entire gas pipeline ... and place the dispatch center in Kiev ... on Institutskaya Street ... replacing ... at the same time, all the current staff there ... at the same time will provide them with the opportunity to improve their professional skills in the Magadan area. ..
            1. +1
              4 May 2014 05: 34
              ... change staff, management and executives.
          2. VAF
            VAF
            +11
            3 May 2014 23: 04
            Quote: matRoss
            These are half measures. And technologically difficult.


            I strongly disagree. for us, "national heritage" is practically everything, but for ukrainy. in which practically everything "sits" on gas .. it is like a lifebuoy in the ocean. There will be no circle .. maximum a month and everything will collapse !!!
            And what is the difficulty in non-delivery of exactly the volume of Ukrainian gas? belay , you want to say that we will not be able to "attach" somewhere 50 lard cubes in a year ???
            Yes, China alone will "swallow" everything we offer!
            1. +15
              3 May 2014 23: 12
              Sergey, hello! hi I just can’t understand why Russia will not announce sanctions to the West, and especially the USA, for supporting fascism and Nazism? It’s time for us to go on the offensive ourselves and the tone of conversations immediately mattresses will change.
              1. +5
                4 May 2014 00: 30
                I agree entirely! For support of the anti-people war, for rehabilitation, justification and support of fascism, introduce retaliatory sanctions! They squeaked that it was impossible to politicize the price? Please - the price is the same, but refuse delivery !!!
                1. 0
                  4 May 2014 03: 51
                  Quote: pilot8878
                  They squeaked that it was impossible to politicize the price? Please - the price is the same, but refuse delivery !!


                  That's it. In my opinion, it is time to show the Western ambassadors at the door and completely shut off the pipe to Geyrop until the “progressive public” is finally brought to their senses ...
                  Until they hit them on their own, they will pretend that everything is in order with Ukraine, that there is full chocolate ...
              2. +7
                4 May 2014 00: 38
                Do you propose blocking the airspace of Russia for flights of US planes to Afghanistan?
                In addition to these sanctions, it is possible to transfer to the Mujahideen of Pakistan - 500-600 sets of "Arrows"
                so that birds are chased in the air - falcons, eagles, hornets ....
                1. +3
                  4 May 2014 01: 00
                  In addition to these sanctions, it is possible to transfer to the Mujahideen of Pakistan - 500-600 sets of "Arrows"
                  At one time, the spirits were staged by the stingers, it would be necessary to repeat the mattress "scenario" only with our anti-aircraft missile systems, for example, through Uzbekistan.
              3. 0
                4 May 2014 02: 48
                Let them get tired ....
            2. Baboon
              +1
              3 May 2014 23: 12
              There is a feeling that Prodan was ordered to turn on the stupid one, just to pull on all this burden. In my opinion, here they are playing for the fool of time. Before the elections, they will legitimize the authorities. Something envoys from Washington are increasingly talking about order in the country. This government will continue to play "misunderstanding" before the elections. Maybe it's time to get tougher?
              1. +2
                4 May 2014 01: 04
                Yes, they drag out the negotiations ... what they are waiting for I don’t understand.
              2. DimychDV
                +4
                4 May 2014 04: 51
                Making Russia send troops is the dream of the United States. Their military-industrial complex will immediately find sponsors for the supply of weapons to Ukraine and again fill their pockets. And MANPADS and ATGMs will spread across Eurasia. There someone is already in the midst of the noise in the conflict cities.
                Until we entered - no one will give Ukraine weapons, there is a lot of their own. And we do not want to give a gift to the States. And from a legal point of view, this is also not very legitimate. Is it possible to gather an international tribunal such as under the auspices of the SCO, BRIC, CIS - and make a decision? But the UN Security Council is older and more legitimate, and there this case was blocked. So either our brothers need to fight themselves, or there is a hope that they will devour themselves. Especially when grandmothers from the states will go - here both Maidan hundreds will line up at the checkout, and Odessa "firefighters according to Bradbury's forecast." I wish an Iraqi-type terrorist would appear at that cash desk ...
                However, it will do without terrorists. When they get Franklin, one by one, into their young, strong teeth, they will either bite at first among themselves, or unite in power. Where there are two Ukrainians, there are three chieftains ...
                And if anyone is impatient - take a weapon and wallow to partisan. You cannot make a best present for Yulia and Avakov. Even without you, they will tear passports from Odessa residents caught in the fire and declare them Russian spies. And with your data, you’ll die in their ranks no lower than Stirlitz!
                The third month they yell about our aggression, but we do not attack. The whole world is becoming clear WHAT? !! ... The answer is clear?
                But ours, Russians, New Russians, Little Russians, still feel sorry for the blood. Well, really people will not take up the drekole? Really they have few printing houses - to write and explain to the soldiers that they are violating their own constitution, that the Americans just bought up everyone who is ready to go against any laws for the sake of power? ..
                1. 0
                  4 May 2014 12: 20
                  Quote: DimychDV
                  Making Russia send troops is the dream of the United States.

                  Dmitry health and I wish you and people like you! Plus and totally agree with you! I was already tired of writing that Russia was put, to put it mildly, in an awkward position. I called my relatives in Odessa, boiled to the fullest, offered help ... do not believe it, but they answered me, we will figure it out! So sort it out already! All the nerves exhausted!
            3. Associate Professor
              +2
              3 May 2014 23: 38
              Quote: vaf
              And what is the difficulty in non-delivery of exactly the volume of Ukrainian gas?

              To shut off gas, Ukraine needs to shut off all gas, including going to Europe through Ukraine, because they will begin to steal gas destined for Europe. This is obvious and has already happened.
              Quote: vaf
              , you want to say that we will not be able to "attach" somewhere 50 lard cubes in a year ???
              Yes, China alone will "swallow" everything we offer!

              A gas pipeline still needs to be built in China, and this year it’s not even planned to begin construction
            4. +2
              4 May 2014 00: 55
              Quote: vaf
              There will be no circle .. maximum month and everything will collapse !!!

              With their state of affairs in the economy and the month - many, two weeks or until the first bills, at NEW prices ...
        2. +10
          3 May 2014 19: 51
          Not only gas but also petroleum products.
          1. +10
            3 May 2014 20: 50
            Quote: ankh-andrej
            Not only gas but also petroleum products.

            Oil products in the first place. Let the armored vehicles stand.
            1. +1
              3 May 2014 21: 11
              Let the armored vehicles stand.

              Helicopters and planes are also devouring immeasurably.
            2. +2
              3 May 2014 23: 09
              For armored vehicles to these cattle solarium Western sponsors will highlight how to drink.
        3. 0
          3 May 2014 19: 54
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          1. +17
            3 May 2014 20: 18
            This is a parody of the great ukrov, do not minus
          2. 0
            4 May 2014 01: 11
            No brother at that time neither yours nor ours. No need to share, when this happens, the country always falls into the abyss, Remember the white, red, green, Petliurists, etc., etc.
            To achieve this goal, the Bolsheviks considered historically justified and fair the use of merciless violence against their enemies and coercion against the hesitant. It is very similar to the actions of the radicals in Ukraine. And where are the Bolsheviks now, the right sector and freedom await the same fate for your radicals.
        4. -7
          3 May 2014 21: 13
          It’s too early to shut off the gas, let's wait until the fall.
          1. +3
            4 May 2014 00: 44
            You must Fedya, you must!

            After all, if you sit down earlier, you will leave earlier.
            If you redo it earlier, it will reach faster (no, not to Ukrainians. They’ve understood for 23 years - it’s rusted. But when the enviers stop production, they will start to do at least something)
        5. -9
          3 May 2014 22: 34
          But the fact that in Ukraine they cook food for children on gas and ordinary people heat their homes with gas do you not take into account?
          Quote: Deniska999
          It's time to chop off gas to Ukraine after everything that happened in the Southeast in recent days. It's time to cross the Rubicon.

          Which Rubicon do you propose going over? The fact that it is time to shoot Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok, Yarosh and those who joined them I agree. But ordinary people, and what, do you want to become like the above-mentioned personalities? Sorry, I don’t understand how after your words you can consider yourself adequate, that is, a Russian person.
          1. +9
            3 May 2014 23: 04
            For the domestic needs of the population, Ukraine is provided with its own gas, ours goes to industrial facilities.
          2. +3
            4 May 2014 01: 06
            Summer heating is turned off. Gas is needed more for enterprises. And the enterprises are in the hands of the oligarchs. Enterprises will stop, people will have more free time to protect themselves from fascism. No one except the Ukrainians will be able to repulse this high-ranking military division. People must understand that anyone can be beaten to death or burn alive as in Odessa
        6. -13
          3 May 2014 22: 34
          But the fact that in Ukraine they cook food for children on gas and ordinary people heat their homes with gas do you not take into account?
          Quote: Deniska999
          It's time to chop off gas to Ukraine after everything that happened in the Southeast in recent days. It's time to cross the Rubicon.

          Which Rubicon do you propose going over? The fact that it is time to shoot Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok, Yarosh and those who joined them I agree. But ordinary people, and what, do you want to become like the above-mentioned personalities? Sorry, I don’t understand how after your words you can consider yourself adequate, that is, a Russian person.
          1. ant1958
            +3
            4 May 2014 01: 22
            ordinary people brought Hitler to power
        7. -5
          3 May 2014 23: 13
          Unfortunately, May Downs will immediately announce that Muscovites did it so that there would be no life for the common people. And many will believe.
        8. +1
          3 May 2014 23: 23
          Unfortunately, May Downs will immediately announce that Muscovites did it so that there would be no life for the common people. And many will believe.
        9. +8
          4 May 2014 00: 27
          Since there is a systematic genocide of the civilian population
          Russia can respond just like the US did in Serbia
          1. Do not send troops into Ukraine
          2. With the help of missile bomb strikes disable all Ukrainian air defense
          3. Drop calls for democracy to all regional centers - Lviv, Rivne, Ivano-Frankivsk, etc.
          4. After each injection of democracy - ask - are you ready to hear your people and are ready to cleanse yourself from filth.
          5. If the answer is no, repeat paragraph 3
        10. +2
          4 May 2014 01: 15
          Let Europe evaluate the burning of people alive in Odessa. And then they need to set the price and quotas for gas.
        11. 0
          4 May 2014 01: 15
          Let Europe evaluate the burning of people alive in Odessa. And then they need to set the price and quotas for gas.
          1. 0
            4 May 2014 06: 51
            official Europe hardly noticed this, they have a new trend - Putin is Mussolini of the 21st century
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        1. jjj
          +24
          3 May 2014 20: 03
          A gradual process of price increases for Europe has begun
      3. +14
        3 May 2014 19: 49
        “Gas is the wealth of Russia conquered by our ancestors, all for the people!” When I see an advertisement about the “national heritage,” I feel both funny and sad.
        1. +21
          3 May 2014 20: 15
          Quote: papas-57
          When I see an advertisement about the `` national heritage '', I feel both funny and sad

          Gazprom’s state budget transfers hundreds of billions of dollars, it seems about 200 last year, but this is not a ridiculous figure ...
          1. Alex_Popovson
            +7
            3 May 2014 20: 52
            I would like to see this money in action. Until I see modern hospitals, not rotting disabled people and smiling pensioners, then I will not laugh at the way they pathetically declare "Power of Light hi "
            1. +9
              3 May 2014 21: 03
              Quote: Alex_Popovson
              I would like to see this money in action.

              approximately 45 thousand rubles for one Russian per year. Do you really want to close all the holes in Russia with this amount? I remember the 80 years when the USSR reached the peak of its economic power, but the standard of living did not differ much from today. True, the level of social security then was several orders of magnitude higher. There were no beggars in the garbage cans.
              1. +5
                3 May 2014 21: 13
                It's just that when the aforementioned hundreds of lards will go to the last penny to the people - to all residents of Russia in equal shares - even to you personally - then it will be possible to say about Gazprom "National Property". And then it creates the feeling that at best a few percentages reach Russia - and everything else - into the pocket of the oligarchy that has settled down at the top of Gazprom.
                1. +2
                  4 May 2014 01: 26
                  .
                  It's just that when the aforementioned hundreds of lards will go to the people - to all residents of Russia in equal shares - even to you personally - to the last penny, then it will be possible to say about Gazprom "National Property".
                  Why does everyone need only social programs, help for weak and adult pensioners, for the army and military commanders, for roads. Else-WORK YOURSELF, Russian dependents should not be!
              2. +3
                4 May 2014 00: 32
                There were no beggars in the garbage cans because the law on parasitism worked, they helped the loafers to decide, someone would say that it is difficult to work now, I laugh in person.
                1. +1
                  4 May 2014 06: 56
                  Quote: Bepdukt
                  someone will say that it’s difficult to work now, I laugh in person.

                  Vacancies are available in cities, but small settlements have practically no free jobs. in many villages, the most affluent are pensioners, as they are paid real money, the rest live in subsidiary plots and gathering.
              3. +2
                4 May 2014 01: 13
                about 45 thousand rubles. for one Russian per year. Do you really want to close all the holes in Russia with this amount?
                Hope for Gazprom, but don’t go awry, work! In Russia, you can earn decent money, and honestly! And if you abandon tobacco and alcohol, you can save a lot of money and brain cells needed for a decent income.
          2. +6
            3 May 2014 23: 00
            "The state budget Gazprom transfers hundreds of billions of dollars, about 200 last year it seems, and this is not a funny figure at all ..." And how much did Gazprom earn last year? And how many went into the pockets of Miller and other “effective managers” and for what? And what, the exploration, drilling, construction of gas pipelines were financed personally by Miller and his managers from their pockets? Why is the cost of gas for the population in Russia higher than abroad? That is why it is sad to hear talk `` about the national property. '' By the way, Ukraine's debts will also be ripped off from us. Ukraine specifically said that it would not pay (it just sent Gazprom), the Geyropa would support it, Gazprom would puff and shut up. And since Gazprom does not like to lose its money, the citizens of Russia will remain extreme, they will be withdrawn money for the next increase in gas prices.
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      4. +15
        3 May 2014 19: 50
        Kiev does not have the right to independently revise the price of Russian gas contrary to existing contracts.
        Kiev has no rights at all (at the moment) But the Naglo-Saxons have ... They even spill blood (I won't be surprised if the gas pipeline is blown up and the "polite people write off") masks have been dropped ..
        1. +6
          3 May 2014 19: 56
          Quote: MIKHAN
          I will not be surprised if the gas pipeline is blown up and blamed on "polite people"

          It will definitely benefit the Americans. Gas is not coming to them. Russia is at a loss, the European Union is looking for alternatives, Ukraine does not spend the money of the IMF, paying Russians. The South Stream may become an alternative, but you cannot build it quickly. I am surprised that Yarosh has not yet brought his threat into action. The last trump card is cherished?
        2. +7
          3 May 2014 21: 47
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Kiev has no rights at all

          I repeat once again - this price was signed by Julia and the same Sold. So what's up? Yanukovych was given a three-month discount. YANUKOVICH, not impostors! And you pay as Julia signed !!!
      5. +11
        3 May 2014 19: 53
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      6. +2
        3 May 2014 20: 21
        Quote: Civil
        Gas Russia's wealth conquered by ancestors, all for the people!

        Correct thought. If not gas, then people's money for it. In the meantime - one he..nya. Now proudly, with joy - through all channels: on behalf of the Kremlin, Lukin sent NATO spies to the junta. Thanks for your visit. Interesting: business travelers slobber? The Kremlin has no one to exchange gayropeyskoy scum. What is it for? Is the subject of bargaining a sanction? God forbid me to be wrong, but just an attack of humanism at the head Lukin happened. That's what is absolutely certain, who is undoubtedly happy, is the pin..os. Not like Russians, any citizen of Russia, soon at the word Ukrainian, Ukraine will be overcome with bouts of vomiting. For a month now, one can only hear: "to her knives", "yaku to gilyak" ...
        1. +4
          3 May 2014 21: 55
          Quote: 1812 1945
          Now, proudly, with joy - on all channels: Lukin, on behalf of the Kremlin’s NATO spies, sent the junta. Thanks for the visit.
          Representatives of the OSCE actually. And what do you suggest? So that they were "accidentally" killed there and dumped on the rebels of the southeast?
          1. +3
            3 May 2014 22: 45
            Representatives of the OSCE, actually.

            No, they are military inspectors working in agreement with the OSCE, but they do not represent this organization.
          2. +1
            4 May 2014 07: 18
            Quote: NoNick
            Representatives of the OSCE, actually.

            But is it just the OSCE as part of the military ONLY? And why did they answer the first request that there are no OSCE representatives in Ukraine? (it was on TV)
        2. +5
          3 May 2014 21: 56
          Quote: 1812 1945
          but simply an attack of humanism at the head of Lukin happened.

          I doubt that the "attack", but the move is correct. None of the OSCE and other "organizations" tried to go there and agree to let them go. Only Russia could. Without any "power in Kiev" - another poke in the nose.
          1. +2
            4 May 2014 00: 19
            And the rest are afraid that after the trip it will no longer be convenient to lie about the separatists.
      7. -3
        3 May 2014 22: 30
        Yes, yes you still quote advertising about the public domain.
        For some reason I don’t feel this wealth for the people, but all sorts of Milyars and their patrons do nothing ... live ...
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    3. +6
      3 May 2014 20: 12
      summer is coming, and while there will be a civil war in Ukraine, the Europeans will somehow interrupt. Do not count your chickens before they are hatched
    4. +4
      3 May 2014 21: 27
      Quote: platitsyn70
      so what do Europeans freeze now or let money pay for gas instead of Ukraine.


      Europe stocked up on gas in advance, because they brewed it all. Now they have enough for the summer, but what will happen next - Big Question?
    5. 0
      4 May 2014 04: 09
      these are your problems, guarantee or not.
  2. +5
    3 May 2014 19: 41
    And Ukraine has never considered it important to implement this guarantee. And now even more so. Russia is always to blame.
    1. +6
      3 May 2014 19: 50
      Ukraine can’t guarantee its existence! And here it’s all-holish gas. Although the back of the geyrope will not hinder freezing!
    2. Com T-64a
      +18
      3 May 2014 19: 54
      I would like to gantt ALL THIS CODLE no, not Nuremberg, but 25 liters of gasoline for each HUNTYACH'S PIG'S snout, 2 bags of lime, so as not to stink like in life. And a ditch, a ditch with shit and musty water, in which their burnt corpses will rot ! Tear 3,14 DOROV into pieces with tanks! Tie it to a pair of T-72s, and stick it from the second place, in opposite directions! And then show them to the "REDUCED CHILDREN" who burned women and old people in Odessa! Plant them in a row, and take turns like this with everyone! And let the rest watch! LOOK AND SHOOT! Geeks!
      1. +2
        3 May 2014 21: 16
        It is better to repeat with the children. The latter feed the vain reliable salvation, but in the finals and with him crank up a similar trick.
  3. +6
    3 May 2014 19: 42
    But it is good to steal and fight with their own people.
  4. -6
    3 May 2014 19: 42
    This should have been done on April 7th ... After May 16, the Ukrainians will be pumping gas from a European pipe (it was already passed), Russia in response will turn off the pipe almost completely. The EU will roll in a lawsuit to disrupt supplies, Russia will move the arrows to Ukraine, saying something like the following: "You yourself made a mess in Ukraine - figure it out yourself ... but for now, sit without gas." The budget of the Russian Federation - without money, the EU - without gas, Ukraine - without both ... Curtain.
    Z.Y. Russia will send troops to the South-East of Ukraine without UN sanction (who will give it?) With a probability of 80/20 ... and there is essentially no other way out of this situation. Putin as a tactician is good, but the strategist out of him is bad.
    1. +17
      3 May 2014 19: 51
      Amen! When Russia decided to make the north and south stream, so as not to depend on the capricious Prostimashev Ukraine, so half of Europe almost stood up to defend it and even boycotted it and put off the sticks and put the wheels on wheels! And then it smelled like fried, give them a single price already, and Austria immediately harnessed them - the southern stream turned on itself, as planned. With them, only like that — until you put your face in them, you won’t give a kick, you won’t show your fist — you don’t understand homosapienese!
      1. +5
        3 May 2014 21: 25
        do not understand homosapienski!
        they have long understood the homosexual current ..

        1. 0
          4 May 2014 05: 03
          This is a diagnosis ...
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    2. +7
      3 May 2014 19: 56
      fero
      The EU will roll in a lawsuit to disrupt supplies, Russia will move the arrows to Ukraine, saying something like the following: "You yourself made a mess in Ukraine - figure it out yourself ... but for now, sit without gas." The budget of the Russian Federation is without money, the EU is without gas, Ukraine is without both ... Curtain.

      Only the curtain ... opens.
      Gazprom has good lawyers, and the "arrows" are already stuck in the right place.

      But the EU without gas is the power industry, and although it is not winter, the bulbs will have to be twisted or "bend" ukrov. Rather, the latter. And there will be no time for reverses and curtsies. A blow to the very "saint" - to income - is not forgiven.
      1. 0
        3 May 2014 20: 53
        Yes, it’s simpler, with the first tranche of the IMF, they closed the dill debts on gas. They committed themselves to timely payment on the way out of Russia. Maybe at a single price, it’s more convenient.
      2. 0
        4 May 2014 05: 46
        The EU will roll in a lawsuit to disrupt supplies, Russia will move the arrows to Ukraine, saying something like the following: "You yourself made a mess in Ukraine - figure it out yourself ... but for now, sit without gas."

        After all, there are meters in front of Ukraine and at the entrance to Europe, and it is not at all difficult to calculate how much gas has been stolen. Because The EU fully supported the quasi-government of Ukraine, even if they eliminate all misunderstandings in this and other issues.
    3. +2
      3 May 2014 21: 20
      And it would be nice to rebuild the budget. We still cannot overcome the difficult legacy of Khrushchev and his followers Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Under Stalin, there was no dependence on hydrocarbon prices - and nothing, the budget was in surplus all year - even during the most difficult period of the Great Patriotic War. And in the prewar years, even swung at the construction of the coolest battleships, even laid the hull, but the war thwarted a great project.
      1. +2
        3 May 2014 23: 23
        `` Under Stalin, there was no dependence on the prices of hydrocarbons - and nothing, all the years the budget was surplus - even during the most difficult period of the Great Patriotic War. '' So under Stalin, thieves were not promoted in service but awarded with a `` personal bullet between the ears. '' 'or a voucher to a' resort 'with full confiscation, despite the previous merits. Not all, of course, but most.
      2. 0
        3 May 2014 23: 23
        `` Under Stalin, there was no dependence on the prices of hydrocarbons - and nothing, all the years the budget was surplus - even during the most difficult period of the Great Patriotic War. '' So under Stalin, thieves were not promoted in service but awarded with a `` personal bullet between the ears. '' 'or a voucher to a' resort 'with full confiscation, despite the previous merits. Not all, of course, but most.
    4. +9
      3 May 2014 21: 25
      You are in charge of a super strategist !!! Putin is not the only one who decides what to do, this is done by a whole team of analysts, he calculates all the moves to the front, all the consequences, all the benefits and negative options. You cannot judge the strategy without knowing everything that is at stake, everyone nuances and subtleties. "The shoemaker does not carry out medical operations" is about you.
      1. -13
        3 May 2014 22: 17
        Putin is not the only one who decides what to do, a whole team of analysts does this, calculates all the moves to the front, all the consequences, all the benefits and negative options.
        laughing
        You still say that Russia is a democratic state wink

        http://ria.ru/politics/20140419/1004642622.html
    5. VAF
      VAF
      -8
      3 May 2014 22: 59
      Quote: fero
      . Putin as a tactician is good, but the strategist out of him is bad.


      +! And tactics like that ... it's better not to say anything soldier
    6. +6
      3 May 2014 23: 33
      Quote: fero
      but the strategist from him is bad.

      Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side!
      1. -5
        4 May 2014 00: 07
        Of course laughing I’ll tell you more, Putin will not get rid of the Odessa region, he needs him like that. And all why, but because Transnistria is near wink because this region also wants to grow to the empire wink
    7. +1
      4 May 2014 02: 35
      Quote: fero
      ... Putin as a tactician is good, but the strategist from him is bad.

      And you do not confuse GDP with the Americans?
      If Putin, in your opinion, is a worthless strategist, then Obama then, in general, a goofy loser.
  5. +2
    3 May 2014 19: 42
    Anyway, Russia will be guilty
    1. jjj
      +9
      3 May 2014 20: 06
      And there it will already be somewhat violet, after the contract with China. In Asia, gas is now at 700 dollars. And if we offer Asia through 550, then all American shale gas supplies to the region will be covered
    2. 0
      4 May 2014 03: 02
      ... And he listens and eats ...
  6. +5
    3 May 2014 19: 43
    Nah.er chop gas to Ukraine. And debts for debts, let them give them lands and enterprises.
    1. 0
      3 May 2014 21: 27
      I also remembered that there are several very heavenly corners on the planet, so they still owe the Soviet Union a very sickly amount. It would be nice to take the land from them for arrears.
  7. +17
    3 May 2014 19: 45
    Anyway, Russia will be to blame.
    Vladimir Putin, we ask you not to provide a loan to Ukraine in any way, for allegedly paying for gas. This time the junta will deceive us, all the money will go to kill and genocide civilians.
  8. +11
    3 May 2014 19: 47
    They rocked Ukraine themselves, now let them fully pay for gas.
    Let them pay for those who ride!
  9. +9
    3 May 2014 19: 50
    Yes, they would have blocked this gas long ago and let this geyropa die for his policy am
    1. +2
      3 May 2014 20: 03
      Quote: WIN969
      Yes, they would have blocked this gas long ago and let this geyropa die for his policy am

      Mainly the "Slavic" part of Europe will suffer (+ Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary), which does not set the tone in the policy of the European Union. The rest (Germany and others) are supplied through the "northern stream" (or may be supplied, the load is 50%).
  10. +4
    3 May 2014 19: 52
    With gas in Europe, everything is fine. But without gas - bad.
    1. +1
      3 May 2014 20: 50
      Quote: Ilotan
      With gas in Europe, everything is fine. But without gas - bad.

      Europe decided together with the USA to wreak havoc in Ukraine, now let them disentangle. The GDP told them that if you had to heat with wood, then they would still go to Russia, but you would have to go to Siberia.
      We cut off the gas and determine in what capacity they will go there. laughing
  11. +2
    3 May 2014 19: 54
    Both the United States and the EU - very, very much want that in any case for Ukraine and for its restoration to pay her brotherly and very partner Russia, tk. It is a pity for ourselves and money, and for us - to make a "friendly" trap is a joy.
  12. +2
    3 May 2014 19: 55
    The main task of the junta is to sabotage gas transit to Europe. That is why they were appointed mattress covers. They do not care about people living in Ukraine and in Europe. Even if Russia pays Ukraine for the supplied gas, they will still block it to the final recipient.
  13. tarko-trade
    +2
    3 May 2014 19: 56
    Block gas, shut off all cargo transit, stop all cooperation with enterprises. So far, only military assistance is needed for our militias.
  14. 0
    3 May 2014 19: 56
    They generally can do little and what guarantees can be discussed!
    1. +1
      3 May 2014 21: 30
      In general, all of this Kiev, so to speak, power is not entitled to provide guarantees. The hooligan kodla sits at the helm illegally and has no right to make decisions. Yanukovych remains the legitimate president. True, he has zero authority, but this no longer plays a role.
  15. +7
    3 May 2014 19: 58
    on the other hand, kiev demonstrates full adherence to Western democratic values.
    such as lies, meanness, greed, cowardice ...
    1. 0
      3 May 2014 20: 55
      Quote: andrei332809
      but kiev demonstrates full commitment to Western democratic values. such as lies, meanness, greed, cowardice ..

      Now to give the junta at my most reluctance and turn my head, as it was with Europe. And there will be a complete coincidence.
      And the gas can have time to rush to boil their eggs, and gobble up before death. wassat
  16. Orc-xnumx
    +6
    3 May 2014 20: 01
    The main gas stream will now go past Ukraine.
    1. +2
      3 May 2014 20: 41
      Quote: Orc-78
      The main gas stream will now go past Ukraine.

      well, or past Europe ... bully
    2. +2
      3 May 2014 21: 14
      Will go. The north stream back-up pipe is purged. Merkel is being traded past dill, she wanted to pay for transit.
      1. +2
        3 May 2014 22: 01
        Quote: ty60
        Merkel is being traded; she wanted a transit fee.

        Well, let end users in the EU require! fellow
  17. +3
    3 May 2014 20: 01
    It is high time! Adequate measures should be taken towards inadequate "rulers". And then let the junta turn their face to the country and hold an answer to the people, how and why they brought it to such a life. Although the answer is right in front of your nose. Putin wants to bring the virgin Ukraine to its knees in its quest for a better life - to freely burn, plunder, kill the Russian-speaking population, plant the ideas of neo-fascism, mock memory and history. Nothing, not long left. We still have to answer for all the grief and misfortune that the gang of Maydauns brought with them. And answer in full, with passion. We ask each one, we ask specifically
  18. dmitry_den
    -2
    3 May 2014 20: 04
    Quote: matRoss
    And technologically difficult.


    directional blast technology
  19. +7
    3 May 2014 20: 09
    It’s necessary to give back debts! And for this we must work, and not hang around on the Maidan!
  20. +6
    3 May 2014 20: 12
    40 was burned by a man alive ... and we are kind. We carefully put the pilot of the helicopter firing at the militias on the ground and provide first aid and will certainly go to the hospital. We release the prisoners in the OSCE and at night they kill 10 militias. I don’t hint at anything. Just a thought. We grieve, but grief is silence ..
    And the burned ones were called "kebabs." Well, the path will still save the world with kindness.
    1. 0
      3 May 2014 23: 44
      Quote: Deadmen
      .Well, the path is still kindness will save the world.

      It is kindness! Never once has anger conquered! Yes, there were temporary concessions, but victory was always with kindness! PS please do not confuse anger and hatred!
  21. +3
    3 May 2014 20: 14
    Well, yes, now we have learned something new and our eyes have opened.
    Gas to the geyvropu should be closed.
    Right now.
  22. kelevra
    +2
    3 May 2014 20: 20
    Well, what can I make conversations, I can’t, I don’t want to pay, that's all, close the valve and that's it! They’ll quickly understand that it’s time to think, since they have seized power!
    1. +3
      3 May 2014 22: 04
      Quote: kelevra
      does not want to pay, that's all, close the valve and that's it!

      Correctly! This is not socialism and fraternal republics! Capitalism, however, has its own laws.
  23. +5
    3 May 2014 20: 27
    Quote: fero
    This should have been done on April 7th ... After May 16, the Ukrainians will be pumping gas from a European pipe (it was already passed), Russia in response will turn off the pipe almost completely. The EU will roll in a lawsuit to disrupt supplies, Russia will move the arrows to Ukraine, saying something like the following: "You yourself made a mess in Ukraine - figure it out yourself ... but for now, sit without gas." The budget of the Russian Federation - without money, the EU - without gas, Ukraine - without both ... Curtain.
    Z.Y. Russia will send troops to the South-East of Ukraine without UN sanction (who will give it?) With a probability of 80/20 ... and there is essentially no other way out of this situation. Putin as a tactician is good, but the strategist out of him is bad.
    You're probably a strategist from Svidomo angry Walk Vasya-chew sawdust, you are the head of the sawmill angry Again .................banned and deleted by moderator Apollo-Here the peasants of Russia are talking. In general, think about GDP what to say and do not be smart here angry
    1. -9
      3 May 2014 22: 28
      The fact that my opinion about GDP does not coincide with someone else's will not become immortal. wink
      What will you do when he dies? Again we will seek the savior of all Russia? Autocracy has never been a stable system, does the Soviet past really teach nothing?
  24. +3
    3 May 2014 20: 28
    No concessions to the fascist junta!
  25. +2
    3 May 2014 20: 28
    In general, I don’t understand this crap, if there are problems - even if there are representatives of gas consumer countries at the final pumping station on the Russian border - there is equipment that fixes the volume of gas supplied, and of course from the receiving side. So let them hammer (I apologize - fucking Bandera) - what does Russia have to do with it? Got it !!!!!!!
  26. +19
    3 May 2014 20: 29
    You need to switch to China ... (Russia alone against the West will not last long, we are still weak! Look what is going on .... "All around you are shouting at Russia!" But the picture is cruel, but it is so (no offense, men)
    1. +3
      4 May 2014 00: 26
      Ukraine is a grown-up Ki, according to the ancestors of the Russian, rotten traitors of the Russian world !!!!!!, I understand that there are normal people !!! The fact of existence of the state of Ukraine itself proves this ... Ukraine is an anti-Russian project !!!! DEATH VYBL.Ya.D.K.AM !!!! DEATH ANTICHRISTS !!!! !!! DEATH S.U.CH.K.E. WITH Scythe !!! DEATH TO THE ROTTEN EUROBAXER !!! DEATH P.I.D.O.R.U.AWAKOV !!!!!! DEATH KATOLIK TURCHINOVA !!!! KEEP THE JUNT !!!! -------- HOPE I JOKED !!!!!!
      1. +3
        4 May 2014 00: 43
        RETURN ME THE RUSSIAN FLAG !!!!! WHY DO I HAVE EUROP.I.D.A.R.O.T.T.I.H.E.S.K.I. FLAG NEAR NIKE ????? I am RUSSIAN !!!! I am RUSSIAN !!!!
  27. +5
    3 May 2014 20: 32
    There is no money - there is no gas, that’s all it’s ... Their villages and villages are sitting without gas!
  28. +3
    3 May 2014 20: 33
    Well, everything, the OSCE spies were released in peace, now Slavensk will be gouged overnight.
    Do not wake up tomorrow morning.
    1. +5
      3 May 2014 21: 35
      Don’t croak, and so sick ...
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  29. +1
    3 May 2014 20: 40
    Quote: Civil
    Gas Russia's wealth conquered by ancestors, all for the people!

    Hardly for the people. Do you think the battle for the people is going on?
  30. 0
    3 May 2014 20: 41
    Apollo, thanks for the warning. But I remained in my opinion ...
  31. 0
    3 May 2014 20: 44
    Close your beak, chicken!
    1. 0
      3 May 2014 20: 52
      You, dearest, learn to express your thoughts in an accessible form for perception ...
    2. 0
      4 May 2014 11: 54
      Nazi fans zapped!
      1. +2
        4 May 2014 12: 59
        The counselor's advice is correct. And another piece of advice: - Think less about the pros and cons. bully
  32. +5
    3 May 2014 20: 45
    If Europe imposes sanctions against Russia, why don't we turn off the gas valve under the pretext of pipe safety. We’ll live in the summer, and in the fall we will see how Merkel will sing !!!
  33. Sigismund
    0
    3 May 2014 20: 45
    They will steal European gas. Europeans, in the light of Western values, will blame us. Nothing new.
    1. +2
      3 May 2014 20: 59
      Quote: Sigismund
      They will steal European gas. Europeans, in the light of Western values, will blame us. Nothing new.

      We make erysipelas a brick and do not give a damn about all the values. Twitch, twitch and become silk.
  34. +2
    3 May 2014 20: 46
    With all the anger at these creatures, it’s impossible for them to become like them. If the enemy is a bullet in the head (with the military and then not always). But! Burn, torture, etc., is from weakness. We must be stronger, and now especially. I suggest holding back emotions whenever possible. Believe me, hang, release the guts, gouge out the eyes, etc., this is from their w-lexicon. The offer is simple - to shoot!
    1. +2
      3 May 2014 21: 37
      Judge and shoot.
  35. +2
    3 May 2014 20: 48
    Of course, I apologize, but for some reason everyone is only shouting about the gas valve. Ventilation (forgive me as a locksmith) is the level of thinking of the housing and communal services. Is it much higher and no one can offer anything besides gas? At least in words. Is it really only in our country gas (weapons)? The more scare the gas, the faster the geyropa will get off this needle. And in the future, our income will crawl to the bottom. what
    1. +1
      3 May 2014 20: 58
      First you need to think, then write.
      In general, it's good to think.
    2. +2
      3 May 2014 21: 01
      Of course, I apologize, but for some reason everyone is only shouting about the gas valve. Ventilation (forgive me as a locksmith) is the level of thinking of the housing and communal services. Is it much higher and no one can offer anything besides gas? At least in words. Is it really only in our country gas (weapons)? The more scare the gas, the faster the geyropa will get off this needle. And in the future, our income will crawl to the bottom. what

      Yes, because abandoning nuclear energy, Europe will not survive without our gas.
  36. +1
    3 May 2014 20: 51
    UKROINA CAN NOT AND DO NOT WANT TO CAUSE guarantee anything POTOY UKROINA itself has no right without Master Pointer EVEN PORDNUT.STRANA not become the country and the only living SHANTOZHOM RUSSIA and deception itself JUST linger and still not fall apart from for KINDNESS AND RUSSIA SUBMISSION WESTERN. BUT ONLY RUSSIA WILL BECOME A REAL LITTLE NEIGHBOR AND WILL STOP FEEDING UKROIN THE LAST VERY QUICKLY DECLINES
    1. +1
      3 May 2014 23: 12
      Press Kapslok, otherwise you read you like a telegram.
  37. 0
    3 May 2014 20: 51
    Novak was not talking to those; he had to talk with the Washington branch of the Gestapo!
    1. +1
      3 May 2014 21: 08
      Quote: Belarus
      Novak was not talking to those; he had to talk with the Washington branch of the Gestapo!

      And be sure with a Kalash and a walkie-talkie (so that if something immediately smells))) They only understand that am
  38. storm wind
    +3
    3 May 2014 21: 02
    Only a few cities want a campaign to truly fight the Bandera scum. The rest, alas, were blown away .. Now they will live in a * new * And it is good that we did not fit anywhere. Competently. Everyone chooses their own fate! Well .. if you don’t get up now, they will stand up later - in a row! When their pravoseki will drag on the floor kicks! Too bad .. Ukraine is no more!
    But when NATO stands right at our borders .. let's see what then .. We have a lesson! Now it’s clear what to do with the fifth column. And you need to start now .. But I just don’t see anything .. The laws are pampered. It was as if they were written to please the West. And then pah! the filthy word is tolerant .. The penalties are scanty .. Skotstvo and only ..
    Now, second Syria will grow near us. Alas .. Maybe there are bright heads. But there is little hope .. But I have not believed in miracles for a long time ..
  39. +3
    3 May 2014 21: 08
    I watched a video from Odessa for the third time!
    Our people are dying there, I don’t need any excuses to send our troops. The fascists must die. if we do not respond, I will despise our power! They cannot restore order at home with bribe takers, at least they defended their own in Ukraine ...
    1. +2
      3 May 2014 21: 27
      Quote: Saratovets
      I watched a video from Odessa for the third time!
      Our people are dying there, I don’t need any excuses to send our troops. The fascists must die. if we do not respond, I will despise our power! They cannot restore order at home with bribe takers, at least they defended their own in Ukraine ...

      Don’t boil over .. (evil himself ..)
      In Odessa, 12 bodies of people burned in the House of Trade Unions were identified. Almost half of the dead had gunshot wounds.
      The answer in the coming days will be .. (no longer sit out)
    2. ASSARU
      +1
      4 May 2014 02: 50
      Do not offend Vova. Vladimir Vladimirovich will do everything right
  40. +19
    3 May 2014 21: 20
    The United States is to blame for everything !!!
    1. 0
      4 May 2014 01: 29
      I am opposed to such a ram exist at all!
  41. 0
    3 May 2014 21: 26
    But that's what they expected. The admin today is just the one who is not able to respond constructively, apparently there is not enough education, but the pressure resource is not limited. I ask you to pay attention, I'm not the first. I provoked myself today.
    1. 0
      3 May 2014 21: 32
      Are you talking about or about whom ..?
      Quote: ty60
      But that's what they expected. The admin today is just the one who is not able to respond constructively, apparently there is not enough education, but the pressure resource is not limited. I ask you to pay attention, I'm not the first. I provoked myself today.
    2. 0
      3 May 2014 23: 15
      Who was standing on whom? Take the trouble to articulate your thoughts more clearly. (c) F.F. Preobrazhensky
  42. -2
    3 May 2014 21: 32
    "The time has come to cut off gas to Ukraine, and, accordingly, all the recent years to the Europe supporting it."
    The United States, by its actions, brings Russia to this decision, or rather, the opinion of the Russians. And if Europe is bad - poorly pankant, then in the south-western outskirts of our people, now allowing himself to be shot and terrorized for the glory of Russia, he will realize that he has finally become a bargaining chip in the political game.
    You cannot become like subhumans. Let, I think, the gas goes, goes to everyone: friends, partners, future Russians. Russia will not become impoverished, for soon the "future" will become the "present"!
  43. +2
    3 May 2014 21: 36
    We can cut off gas to Ukraine, but we cannot cut off paid gas passing in transit to the EU through the Ukrainian GTS. This means that Ukraine will be able to use gas for itself, and for the shortage of gas, the EU will charge us and not Ukrainians, because they are "they are." And at the expense of China, while it is still written with a pitchfork, building a gas transportation system is not a month or a year for you - these are lines, crossings, workshops, infrastructure, personnel ... Gazprom has enough work to do.
  44. +3
    3 May 2014 21: 39
    In Donetsk, activists of the anti-Maid movement occupied the building of the local administration of the Security Service and the building of the investigation department of the Security Service. The premises, in which there was no security, were occupied by people dressed in camouflage uniforms and armed with bats and fittings. Several thousand people participate in the action, the number of people is increasing. Activists hoisted the flag of the "Donetsk people's republic" on the visor of the seized building of the SBU.

    In the city there are thousands of rally in memory of those killed in Odessa. People are anxiously waiting for the night: there is information that armored vehicles are coming to the capital of Donbass, obviously, in order to carry out a punitive operation there, reports Russia 24 TV channel.
  45. +1
    3 May 2014 21: 40
    There are 280 gas for pro-Russian regions of Ukraine, and $ 480 for banderlogs, that’s the whole deal. Let them think.
    1. 0
      3 May 2014 21: 46
      And how do you determine to whom how much and what you set? There’s a complete mess in the country! Even if you put a FSB officer on each gas distribution station, you won’t keep it!
  46. +2
    3 May 2014 21: 41
    Quote: TurboSloN
    We can cut off gas to Ukraine, but we cannot cut off paid gas passing in transit to the EU through the Ukrainian GTS. This means that Ukraine will be able to use gas for itself, and for the shortage of gas, the EU will charge us and not Ukrainians, because they are "they are." And at the expense of China, while it is still written with a pitchfork, building a gas transportation system is not a month or a year for you - these are lines, crossings, workshops, infrastructure, personnel ... Gazprom has enough work to do.

    Think right ...! We are hostage to gas! (But I hope so far ..)
  47. 0
    3 May 2014 21: 53
    I think it’s not long for Geyropa to receive our gas. Either they will blow up the gas pipeline, or they will pass the road with impunity, which is basically the same. Miller will resign ... (((
    1. +3
      3 May 2014 21: 58
      No, they will simply start moving faster either along the South Stream or through the gas liquefaction plant on the Yamal Peninsula and transporting it to Europe in the north of the country on gas tankers.
  48. +7
    3 May 2014 22: 00
    It's time to include retaliatory sanctions - let the Nazis and their adored geyropa sit on wooden fuel
    1. 0
      3 May 2014 22: 35
      Duc after him, too, that ... to Siberia lol
  49. +3
    3 May 2014 22: 04
    Instead of hysterical screams about the introduction of the next level of sanctions against Russia, the EU leadership should thoroughly understand one simple thing for itself: the next autumn-winter period is not far off, and gas storage facilities on the territory of Ukraine are almost empty, the Kiev "junta" with maniacal tenacity is not wants to pay for the gas supplied by Russia, which will ultimately lead not only to a restriction of gas supplies, but also to the once again banal theft of gas intended for the European Union .... If Europe cannot convince the White House administration to take on a "short leash" authorities in Kiev, then with a high degree of probability they will have to admit that next winter the leadership of the European Union will be very long and persistent in explaining to their sitting near the "burzhuekas" and the freezing population why it was worth spoiling relations with Russia ...
    1. 0
      4 May 2014 01: 19
      They are afraid of this and want to promote US LNG.
      The scenario is this:
      1. They do not pay for gas, in general, they drag time.
      2. Gazprom cuts off supplies to Ukraine, Ukrainian consumption.
      3. Ukrainians take EU gas
      4. Our block gas in general.
      5. Ukraine breaks gas supplies in the fall winter.
      6. Blames Russia for everything.
      7. The United States throws their own LNG to them (takes loot from the Europeans for the construction of many LNG tankers at their shipyards) Naturally, a program for 3 years of development.
      8. This winter Eastern Europe (Poland, Czech Republic, Slovenia, etc.) at the bourgeoisie, the Germans in chocolate, they have the "Nord Stream".

      PS I don’t think that Europeans do not understand what’s the matter, soon we will find out the denouement.
  50. +4
    3 May 2014 22: 14
    And it all started with the fact that Yanukovych refused to sign the enslaving agreement with the EU, dispersed the students drunk on the Maidan and, most importantly, agreed to help Russia (3 billion immediately and direct gas discounts from the Ukrainian industry) Now people are shot by aviation and burned alive .. (The IMF listed 3 billion for this matter) there has never been a charge for gas .. Russia is a generous soul ... Here is the situation now (the West itself is pushing us to rapprochement with China and Iran) But only then we will act in an Asian way brutally and cunningly and then excuse your cries (when they start to cut you ... they will not touch us economically either ..) Russia will no longer cover you ..
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  52. +3
    3 May 2014 22: 26
    Ukraine cannot guarantee gas transit to Europe

    But it can guarantee its theft...
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  54. 0
    3 May 2014 22: 37
    not a goofball. there are warriors there.
  55. +3
    3 May 2014 22: 37
    The moment of truth... Europe laughs politely, but somehow tensely)

  56. +5
    3 May 2014 22: 41
    That's what he is, an ancient Ukrainian...
    1. +2
      4 May 2014 12: 51
      Not this way. Not a Ukrainian, but a “Ukrainian”, according to the theory of the independent “scientists”. bully
      1. +2
        4 May 2014 19: 07
        My comment included “u.k.r,” but the censor corrected it to “Ukrainian.” The filter is working. bully
  57. Mih
    +1
    3 May 2014 22: 42
    Quote: GregAzov
    Oil products in the first place. Let the armored vehicles stand.

    An airstrike on oil storage tanks and it will be empty. Jews are not shy.
  58. +2
    3 May 2014 22: 48
    Gas supplies must be stopped... we have every right to fail to pay
    Process gas is not our problem; they are responsible for the functioning of the gas transportation system...
    Supplies to European countries are subject to strict guarantees from Europe itself.

    The current leadership and those who actively support them in Ukraine... these are our enemies... and they have no relations with enemies
  59. 0
    3 May 2014 23: 06
    The whole world froze in horror. What shall we do, brothers?
  60. +1
    3 May 2014 23: 06
    Yes, our Gazprom employees are terribly afraid of losing the European market and that says it all.
    If we close the valve, the Americans will immediately switch Europe’s gas consumption to their shale gas (which will quickly run out, by the way), but no one cares, the main thing is that the ends will be cut off.
    Cutting off supplies to the EU means losing quite a lot of money for Gazprom. After all, as they reason, let them steal it, let them steal at least two-thirds along the way, but the EU will still pay for one-third. And the fact that the gas is not dimensionless and belongs to the entire people is of little concern to them. 5-10 years will definitely be enough to sell to everyone who can buy, and at least grass won’t grow there. The cost of gas production and transportation is mere pennies, that’s not oil. Freebie so to speak.
    Something like this .
    An alternative to the flow to the EU is, by the way, gasification of Russia itself; in Russia itself, there are shoals of abandoned towns and villages in which there is no gas. And people would pay regularly. It just doesn't cost real money to run a gas pipeline to your house.
    1. +2
      3 May 2014 23: 28
      If we turn off the valve, the Americans will immediately switch Europe’s gas consumption to their shale gas

      No. Technically, this is very difficult. You need to build terminals, and this takes a lot of time and money. And most importantly, gas tankers! They are all occupied, you need to build new ones. The cost of one is 200 lemons $. There is enough gas on it to generate electricity consumed by the entire small UK during one day. Just imagine how many such ships are needed!

      1. 0
        4 May 2014 00: 34
        Quote: zennon
        No. Technically this is very difficult.

        What if they start extracting shale gas in Ukraine and pumping it through pipes to Europe? Maybe this is the whole point.
        1. 0
          4 May 2014 00: 52
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Quote: zennon
          No. Technically this is very difficult.

          What if they start extracting shale gas in Ukraine and pumping it through pipes to Europe? Maybe this is the whole point.

          They have been gathering together with the Psheks for 15 years now. And they will continue to gather for another 50 years. The Amers have unique layers. In Geyropa, the well production is shorter, and accordingly the costs are higher. In addition, new laws on land use, environmental protection, etc. must be adopted.
        2. 0
          4 May 2014 01: 26
          Forget it, this is a very slow process.
    2. +2
      4 May 2014 12: 46
      If we act wisely and shut off the gas pipeline, our Russian leeches will lose gas dollars. And why, tell me, should I buy a yacht, a chalet in the mountains, a mansion in Liechtenstein, and why should I send my children to Cambridge to study the Western mind? So the valve is a delicate matter. bully
  61. +2
    3 May 2014 23: 08
    Relaxed on the occasion of the onset of summer. Have you heard the forecast for the autumn-winter season 2014-2015?
    Well, as always, as in 1812 and 1941. A very cold winter for Europe. But you can partially heat it if you change the policy. Well, that takes brains. Are they still available in Europe?
  62. +1
    3 May 2014 23: 19
    http://cs607816.vk.me/v607816415/6530/hCm3ZFVVehY.jpg
  63. +1
    3 May 2014 23: 34
    There’s something I don’t understand, they don’t pay for gas without prepayment or with prepayment, but the gas flowed as it was and will continue to flow, if we start blocking the Ukrainian pipeline, they will suck from the European one - no matter what! Is it weak to force the Europeans to be responsible for Ukraine? Like, we loaded such and such a volume into your pipe, all together, your share and Ukraine’s, then figure it out yourself, Ukraine didn’t pay, take the volume from Europe, let them talk to the junta themselves. And if ours don’t care where to put the money, then let them write off my debts, I’m here, and Ukraine is there.
    1. 0
      4 May 2014 00: 25
      The EU is not concerned about transit issues; the Russian Federation is responsible for transit to the EU and Ukraine is responsible to the Russian Federation
  64. +1
    3 May 2014 23: 36
    Those who are against A.mers, those who support the Slavs, help Donbass; http://cs607816.vk.me/v607816415/6530/hCm3ZFVVehY.jpg
  65. +1
    3 May 2014 23: 39
    The gas pipeline is intact because the puppeteers do not allow it to be blown up. They are trying with all their might to make the junta look white and fluffy in front of Europe. If there are any injuries to him, they will try to attribute them to little green men, that is, through provocation. And the fact that Ukraine cannot give guarantees for transit - by doing this they are not scaring Europe, but are once again biting the bear on the thigh. The EU has gas supply contracts with the Russian Federation, and not with Ukraine. And the Russian Federation also has a headache about transit; the EU has nothing to do with it.
  66. +1
    3 May 2014 23: 52
    guys, why are you worried about Europe? They will start to steal the gas, let the Bundeswehr ensure the safety of the gas in the pipe. Germany pays without delay. I think we’ll quickly find a common language with the Germans. Merkel doesn’t decide everything there either. Sincerely. R.S. But we will guard the pipe together.
    1. +3
      4 May 2014 00: 12
      They will start to steal the gas, let the Bundeswehr ensure the safety of the gas in the pipe. Germany pays without delay.

      The Germans are violet. They receive their gas via the Nord Stream, bypassing the H.O.H.L.Yandia. Without transit risks.
      1. 0
        4 May 2014 01: 29
        That's for sure, Poles, Czechs, Slovenes and Austrians need to think about it.
  67. +3
    4 May 2014 00: 02
    There is a cool film. “Coup according to instructions 107.” It clearly shows the place of the natives who should work for the owner. Salah to Ukraine!!!
  68. +3
    4 May 2014 00: 27
    Even I, so patient, have already been bullied: we’ll cut off the gas, we won’t cut off the gas, they’ll pay, they won’t pay... The right-wingers spat in our faces, and we “condolencemmm”... Enough with slogans and cheap chatter - war has been declared on us, we need to go and fight , either we are them, or they are us. There is no smell of tolerance here, there are only two options. Putin - either fight or a traitor. Patience is over. Russian blood is not measured in money.
    1. +1
      4 May 2014 01: 30
      It’s not that simple; sending troops requires a lot of blood in Ukraine.
      1. Kassandra
        0
        4 May 2014 13: 28
        not at all. look at America. when something goes wrong, it’s better to prevent it
        A lot of blood has already been shed in Ukraine. In addition, there are foreign troops there and this is a security threat. Those same American drones are not only reconnaissance but also attack drones, and they conduct reconnaissance against the local militia in the interests of punitive forces.
    2. ASSARU
      0
      4 May 2014 02: 58
      Whoa whoa, hold on to your submarine. Moreover, you are not the one paying for it and maintaining it. Time to wait. Time to act.
  69. Arh
    0
    4 May 2014 00: 47
    I'll give dill gas for free))) fool wassat tongue laughing
  70. 0
    4 May 2014 02: 48
    Quote: alexneg
    Sergey, hello! hi I just can’t understand why Russia will not announce sanctions to the West, and especially the USA, for supporting fascism and Nazism? It’s time for us to go on the offensive ourselves and the tone of conversations immediately mattresses will change.

    Liberals have capital in dollars and in their (foreign) banks... and now your question is why Russia doesn’t announce sanctions and generally... can’t send everything away? Everything is banal - the Central Bank is a branch of the Fed, isn’t it clear?, and Yanyk that’s why he was blown away - they had his money. That’s it. Then we can only guess, but, I suppose, not for long... And - Glory to Rus'!!! hi
  71. +2
    4 May 2014 03: 05
    The gas must be shut off now, having shown firmness, banderlogs are openly above us on their websites
    They laugh, but for the West, in any development of events, Russia will be to blame; if it does not squeeze Europe with gas supplies, then it will protect Ukraine.
  72. 0
    4 May 2014 04: 58
    Quote: Deniska999
    It's time to chop off gas to Ukraine after everything that happened in the Southeast in recent days. It's time to cross the Rubicon.

    I agree, let Europe get a problem on its head!!! It will be interesting later...
    1. 0
      4 May 2014 05: 32
      Agree !!!! And answer in Ovish style that these are sanctions for the southeast...
      Only idiomatic expressions remain..........
    2. 0
      4 May 2014 05: 32
      Agree !!!! And answer in Ovish style that these are sanctions for the southeast...
      Only idiomatic expressions remain..........
  73. +1
    4 May 2014 05: 55
    No one will shut off the gas. EU observers are stationed at the beginning and end of the Ukrainian gas transportation system and compare the volume of gas pumped in. As much as they pumped, they received as much (the pipe is sealed), less - they steal from the gas transportation system. Responsibility for the gas transportation system is Ukrainian, and it also receives money for transit.
    Enterprises in the South-East will collapse without orders from Russia, and this means half a million jobs. As long as there is work, they will sit, there will be no work - show the right direction - and “PS” will rest! The junta itself is curtailing its activities with the Russian Federation and is confidently crawling into the cemetery.
  74. +1
    4 May 2014 06: 07
    - Kume, I feel like Gazprom wants to raise the price of gas to 400 dollars.
    - What are you doing? At 400, then at 400... We won’t pay 400.
  75. +1
    4 May 2014 06: 16
    Frau and the mattress maker agreed to introduce more sanctions. Elections in Ukraine will be held and RECOGNIZED in any case. It’s the elections in Syria that are not Geneva-style, but the Nazis put a device on Geneva, and everyone is shouting in unison. Russia doesn’t respect Geneva. Russia’s actions, in my opinion, are too abstruse for us orphans to understand.
  76. 0
    4 May 2014 10: 06
    All this is not clear.
    The pipe connected Russia and Germany - they reported with triumph about the “breakthrough of the century” bypassing Ukraine.
    June 27, 2011 In the Baltic Sea, construction of the first line of the Nord Stream gas pipeline has been completed. Along the bottom of the sea, the pipe directly connected Russia and Germany.
    Ну и что?
    Where is the result?
    Ukraine has again stood in the way of gas supplies to Europe, and Brussels and the United States seem to be happy with this!
  77. +2
    4 May 2014 12: 33
    Gas, oil, ores are our national heritage, inherited from Mother Nature. So why should we GIVE it to someone. The world price for the product has been set, so pay this price. How many candy wrappers you paid (in gold, not in greens), so much product you get. But pay up front... stop