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Super weapons of the Third Reich. How far was German engineering able to go?

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The war will be won by miracleweapons!

- Reich Minister of Weapons Albert Speer, 1943


The unbridled onslaught of the Red Army put the Germans in front of the prospect of a complete rout in the next few years. The “Millennial Reich” faltered and began to rapidly roll back, losing the newly conquered territories and piles of broken military equipment. It was at this moment that convulsive fantasies were born in the minds of the fascist women, that the key to saving the Reich was technical superiority over the enemy. Ideas materialized in the form of unique projects of German designers - often very entertaining, but completely useless from a military point of view.

"Vundervaffe" Germany did not save. On the contrary, it only brought the collapse of the fascists closer and turned the idea of ​​creating an “absolute weapon” a mockery for future generations. An attempt to get ahead of their time, without having the necessary level of technology development, was not crowned with success. Germany miserably lost the war.

Nowadays, a lot of books are devoted to the fascist "vundervaffe". Most researchers admire the genius of German engineers, at the same time forced to state that an attempt to build a miracle weapon in that desperate situation looked like a blatantly meaningless undertaking. Worse, in accordance with the laws of Murphy, the most delusional and difficult of the “vundervaffe” projects received the highest priority, for which the combined potential of all countries of the world would not be enough. The occult survivors of the Reich leadership were wasting precious resources. At that time, the fronts were waiting for deliveries of simple and reliable weapons, suitable for the speedy launch into mass production ...


Ho.229 Fighter Bomber (Replica)

The situation with the "vundervaffe" looks the obvious way. But another question is much more interesting - what was the degree of novelty in the designs of German handicrafts? Can we even talk about any technical superiority of the "Aryan race"?

In this review, I propose to look at the situation from an unusual angle. Even if the Germans managed to solve all the problems with the supply, increase the reliability of their "masterpieces" and launch the new items in the series, nothing good would come of it. The reason is simple: the engineers of the Third Reich, who were ahead of their time, were outdated by the time they appeared.

Aces of the Luftwaffe. Unknown of the known

1944 year. Night, Berlin street, lantern, pharmacy. In the windows dim light flickers - it is not sleeping German engineers, brothers Horten. They design their stealth jet aircraft Ho.229.

Next door, in the walls of the secret society Anenerbe, the possibility of creating Vril and Haneba-2 flying saucers was discussed.

While the Germans indulged in their unbridled fantasies, the engines of an invisible plane were buzzing high in the sky. Courier Express USSR - United Kingdom followed its usual route.

Super weapons of the Third Reich. How far was German engineering able to go?


De Havilland Mosquito high-speed bombers gained altitude 10000 m and crossed all of Europe at speeds above 600 km / h. It was almost impossible to bring down the Mosquito: according to statistics, planes of this type had one loss on 130 combat missions!

The unique all-wood construction made them virtually invisible to radar. And when the night hunters still managed to detect the Mosquito, the Monika radar warning station was activated. The bomber immediately changed course and disappeared into the darkness.

Needless to say, what inconveniences were delivered to the enemy by reconnaissance and shock modifications of the non-attacking Mosquito!

The Germans lost air superiority by the middle of the war. An attempt to restore balance with the help of “super-speed” jet planes also failed completely.

Germany’s last hope was the Messerschmitt-262 jet fighter. Fritz, choking with delight, planned to bring the pace of production of the Me.262 to 1000 machines per month and completely retool their Air Forces with the latest aircraft. The first Me.262 sortie took place on July 25 1944 of the year. From now on, the sky belonged to the Aryan "blond beasts"!


Me.262 Schwalbe ("Swallow")

But the joy was short-lived. Two days later, July 27, from the opposite side of the English Channel, cars went up, exactly like the German Swallow, but bearing the identification marks of the British Air Force.

Gloucester Meteor!

Now it makes no sense to deny: the German Swallow, like the British Gloucester Meteor of the 1944 model, were just demonstrators of the capabilities of the jet aviation. The combat use of both machines resembled a farce: the fascist Schwalbe, whose heavenly song broke off after 25 hours (such was the resource of the first jet engines) and the British jet miracle, which was forbidden to cross the front line (great results - 14 downed V-1 missiles).

Catastrophic lack of traction. Any careless movement of the control knob led to the inevitable fire of the engine. Yes, with such "heroes" it was worth staying away from the front line.


Gloster Meteor

The British almost did not fight. German jet machines were used more actively, but also did not bring any noticeable benefits. Weak acceleration characteristics and low reliability due to the imperfections of their engines made the Me.262 easy prey for the enemy's piston aircraft. American Mustangs ambushed German airfields and massively shot helpless Swallows during their take-off or landing. 19 February 1945, one such reactive "waffle" was knocked down in a dogfight by Ivan Kozhedub. The hero won an unusual victory on the very ordinary plane La-7. In addition, the battle took place at a high altitude, when the Schwalbe had already managed to gain its breathtaking speed.

The result of all the experiments with jet aircraft was the following.

German "vundervaffe" was thrown into landfill stories along with the "millennial Reich." The British Gloucester Meteor was gradually brought to a combat-ready state and remained in service with the Air Force of seventeen countries of the world until the beginning of the 70-s.

Stories about the “vundervaffe” were firmly established on the pages of the “yellow press”. Public like mysterious stories about the German "flying saucers", the aircraft "V-1", ballistic missiles "V-2" and the missile range on about. Peenemünde.

If we discard the fantasy of the "plates", then the Germans really managed to achieve significant success in the field of rocketry. However, everything is not so obvious there: work on the missile theme was also conducted in other countries of the world (the Soviet group for studying jet propulsion (GIRD) is the cradle of astronautics), but did not receive high priority due to the lack of accurate guidance systems at that time. Without this, the idea of ​​rocket weapons lost its meaning: German crafts “V-2” were pure weapons of terror against the civilian population of the enemy. Their circular probable deviation (QUO) hardly allowed them to get to major cities. Finally, the first liquid rocket engine was built by American engineer R. Goddard in 1926.

Much more surprising, what fame acquired the "V-1" - a primitive cruise missile with a pulsed jet engine and inertial guidance system. Simply put, an uncontrolled disc, flying for a certain time in a given direction, and then falling on a stopwatch signal. The German projectile is outdated before its birth. In the years of the Second World War, much more “advanced” structures were flying, which remained undeservedly forgotten and buried under the dust of time.

German developments were cheap handicrafts against the background of the US Interstate TDR-1 drone drone. Even before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the cowardly Yankees began to think about how to break through the constantly increasing air defense system of ships, without endangering the life and health of their pilots. The decision was suggested by the Russian émigré Vladimir Zvorykin (the “father” of television), who managed to create a small-sized “Block-1” camera with a sufficiently high resolution and the ability to broadcast images over a distance. The entire system was placed in a pencil case with dimensions 66x20x20. The mass together with the power source was 44 kg. The viewing angle of the camera is 35 °. Resolution - 350 strings. Video transmission rate - 40 frames per second.


Interstate TDR-1 combat robot. Behind - control plane ("Evendzher" TBM-1C)



UAV on the deck of the training aircraft carrier "Sable"

Unlike the German Hs.293 anti-ship missile, which required visual observation of it from a bomber carrier, the Zvorykin system provided reliable telecontrol over a distance of 50 miles. The second important difference between Interstate and German V-1 and Henschel-293 was its multiple use: in the case of a successful exit from attack, the UAV returned to the aircraft carrier or to the ground-based airfield.

By the year 1943, the US Navy leadership planned to form 18 squadrons from unmanned torpedo bombers (over 1000 attack drones and 162 control aircraft). Alas, by that time the Japanese fleet had already suffered heavy losses and completely lost the initiative. The need for a marine drone disappeared. Total managed to build 189 UAV "Interstate", which were used to destroy the Japanese anti-aircraft batteries at the final stage of the war.

German designers lost the battle for heaven

Despite their limitless fantasies about flying saucers and suborbital bombers, the Nazis did not manage to build a strategic bomber capable of striking US territory. The Junkers, Messerschmitt and Kurt Tank unsuccessfully worked on the Amerika Bomber project. Alas, all created crafts - Ju.390, Fw.300, Me.264, Ta.400 - did not even reach the level of the American “Super Strength”.



The Luftwaffe pilots did not have anti-overload suits like Franks Mk.I and Mk.II (used by British Spitfire pilots) or G-1 (used by Americans on Mustangs).

The Germans could not have heavy fighter-bombers like the Thunderbolt or the Corsair. Despite the obsessive search for "miracle weapons", the Nazis did not manage to create an aircraft engine comparable in power to the Napier Saber (2200 hp, such engines were equipped with the British Tempests) or with the double star "Pratt & Whitney" R2800 (power over 2500 hp).

The Third Reich completely "blew" the arms race to other developed countries. The glory of German engineering is largely undeserved. In other countries, no less formidable and sophisticated models of weapons and equipment were created. Alas, these structures have remained almost unknown to the general public. In contrast to the unrealized German projects, the winning countries were not in a hurry to disclose details of their secret developments.

Everyone has heard about the work on the creation of anti-aircraft missile systems in Germany (“Wasserfal”, “Schmetterling”, “Reintochter”). But how many people know about the existence of the American SAM-N-2 "Lark" anti-aircraft complex?

The first contract for the release of a pre-production lot of 100 anti-aircraft missiles was concluded in March 1945. The main characteristics of the Lark air defense missile system: effective firing range of 55 km. Marching speed rocket 0,85M. The weight of the 45 kg warhead is more than enough to intercept piston airplanes. The Fairchild missiles used a combined guidance system (radio command control on the cruise and semi-active at the terminal stage). Competitors from the firm "Consolidated" used a different scheme with a "saddled beam" and active homing in the final segment using the small-sized radar AN / APN-23.



After becoming acquainted with such facts, the fairy tale about the German “miracle weapon” does not cause anything but boredom.

The Red Army is stronger

The importance of technical research and the desire to improve the characteristics of military equipment cannot be denied. But the fun of creating “miracle weapons” had little to do with the real needs of the armed forces and successes on the fronts. Combat readiness of the army, aviation and fleet It was determined by their combat experience, coordinated actions and adaptability to the conditions in which they had to fight. Seen from these positions, the Soviet rear and front accomplished a feat. The Soviet Union turned into a war machine, ideally adapted to the conditions of the Soviet-German front.

The horrors of the first months of the war, indiscriminate retreat, the loss of important industrial centers, the disruption of industrial chains, the evacuation of industries with their “spraying” over the vast expanses of the country. Lack of highly skilled labor. Low technical literacy among the personnel of the Red Army (as M. Kalashnikov said, “the soldier of the academies did not finish”). The general lag of Soviet industry from the leading countries of the world, due to the late industrialization (for which special thanks to the tsarist regime). All this made the Soviet military-industrial complex unlike any military industrial complex of foreign countries.


The mighty la-xnumxfn. Fighters of this type almost in no way inferior to the best foreign fighters with air-cooled motors (such as the Focke-Wolfe-5, or the British Hauker Tempest)



Nobody harbored illusions. The war against fascism will cost our country’s cruel losses. Military equipment should be as cheap and simplified as possible, so that at times it was easier to drop a damaged tank than to transport it from the Vistula to the Urals. At the same time, by the totality of their combat characteristics, the Soviet military equipment had to correspond to foreign analogues. Only such a technique could produce our MIC. And only such a technique could fight a Russian soldier.

... Experts LII, NII VVS and TsAGI carefully inspected the new Mosquito V.IV (under the number DK296) and came to the conclusion that there are no secrets in the design of the British aircraft. High LTH are provided by excellent engines and extremely high quality manufacturing of wooden parts of the fuselage and wing. Production of "Moskito" in the USSR is impossible - for this there is neither time, nor strength, nor workers with proper qualifications.

Instead of glueing a three-layer sandwich from balsa and thoroughly polishing the surfaces, it was easier to tune a pair of Pawns (Pe-2) and immediately throw them into battle, towards the brutal hordes of fascists. Pe-2 inferior "Mosquito" in the specific conditions of the Soviet-German front.

Healthy asceticism, mass character and traditional Russian ingenuity - that was our miracle weapon that allowed the Red Army to reach Berlin.
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  1. cosmos111
    cosmos111 13 May 2014 08: 01
    +7
    Americans now, use the ideas and developments of the 3 Reich ((((
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 May 2014 09: 03
      +26
      And for some reason, the article does not say a word that it was precisely on the development of Werner Von Braun that American rocket science was developed. And the captured documents also helped Korolev. And pendosy created the atomic bomb only when they got access to German research. So do not underestimate the talents of the Germans.
      1. 290980
        290980 14 May 2014 02: 59
        +2
        what exactly is the development of Werner Von Braun

        Yes, because von Braun was just a trifle among those who worked for 3 Reich.
        Victor Schauberger, Andreas Epp and many other talents that Brown breathed into the navel and whose designs are still secret.
      2. Alex
        Alex 10 July 2014 01: 26
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And the captured documents also helped Korolev.
        Yes, not that much. Nothing stunningly new Korolev from Bratsk not learned.

        And pendosy created the atomic bomb only when they got access to German research.
        Maybe it's enough to replicate this crap? You have facts (not stories like "The Black Sun of the Third Reich") - state them. Otherwise, a bunch of flour.
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    2. iwind
      iwind 13 May 2014 09: 40
      +20
      b-2 is the successor of NORTHROP N-9M and YB-35, the first flight in 1940, the development began in the 1930s, the Reich has nothing to do with it. Rather, it was on the contrary that they took advantage of Northrop's ideas.
    3. 52
      52 13 May 2014 15: 01
      0
      Literature is worth reading, mon ami! The idea of ​​a "flying wing" was visited by many designers even before the war, including in the USSR. As for the "carcass" in the picture, these are Northrop's ideas! Learn the materiel!
  2. i80186
    i80186 13 May 2014 08: 11
    +7
    Yes, yes, here they are handsome. smile
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 13 May 2014 08: 15
    +32
    Somehow, immediately the thought arose about the author of the article after reading the first lines. What is it for...
    I do not agree with the author in the sense that the Germans could not create anything new during the war. Let's go from the facts: the missile industry of the USA and the USSR was repelled by the developments of the same von Braun (in the States under his leadership), German jet planes were subjected to the most thorough study of us and our allies, a lot was used, especially in the USSR - this made it possible to reduce the time for their own research.
    One of the first aircraft with reverse sweep of the wing, and flying - a German development.
    Yes, they did not make strategic bombers, but Hitler lay the blame for this, since there were many projects, very interesting projects, but the Fuhrer did not allow them to be implemented, since at the beginning of the war they seemed to him superfluous, and in the end it was too late do it.
    There are still objections, but I do not want to take a seat.
    Germany should not be so dismissive of German achievements, if it were not for Adolf Aloizovich’s adventurism, then, given some time and resources that were not enough due to the war on two fronts, Germany could give a light to us, and England, and To the states - by then they would have already got them.
    1. avt
      avt 13 May 2014 08: 46
      +31
      Quote: inkass_98
      Somehow, immediately the thought arose about the author of the article after reading the first lines. What is it for...

      Tired of bombing aircraft carriers, did not cope with the task - the Americans did not listen to him and did not let them go on pins and needles. So he decided to play with the Germans. “Poor acceleration characteristics and low reliability due to the imperfection of their engines made Me.262 easy prey for enemy piston aircraft. American "Mustangs" ambushed German airfields and massively shot helpless "Swallows" during their takeoff or landing. On February 19, 1945, one such jet "waffle" was shot down in an air battle by Ivan Kozhedub. The hero won an unusual victory on the most ordinary plane La-7. In addition, the battle took place at a high altitude, when the Schwalbe had already picked up her breathtaking speed. " fool Oleg ! Well, try sour with green not to interfere! It’s one thing to characterize the first production jet engine, production conditions taking into account the lack of color meta, the lack of fuel {near Arden, according to Kraminov’s recollections, the Germans massively, as in 1941 the air force was able to do one day on January 1} and tactical combat methods with complete quantitative superiority in the air and it is it that makes it possible to block the airfield when it is much easier to bring ANY aircraft on takeoff and landing. The German engineering school has fertilized both USA and the USSR for decades ahead with their developments. This is a medical fact and there is nothing shameful here, thank God, we managed to take advantage of the fruits of Victory and squeeze out from them what we ourselves would have to spend years, money and efforts of people on. We had a serious enemy, the Germans really qualitatively re-equipped three times during the war army, and even at the end of a fundamentally new types of weapons, until the very end the outcome of the war was decided. Well, what for then GlavPUR portray the name of the Mehlis?
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 13 May 2014 10: 57
        +20
        .... I agree completely ... The article gives off a cheap hurray-patriotism .... In general, it is impossible to underestimate the enemy and throw hats ... A small comment on ME -262 ... The author writes that the engine resource is very small - 25 hours. I can remind you that the resources of piston engines of that period (Soviet) were also small - 30-50 hours. In wartime, the aircraft were designed for 3-5 combat missions, and the flight personnel were trained in about the same proportion ... If you consider, that one flight of a fighter lasted 45-60 minutes, then 25 flights for an aircraft and so many. Who survived received a new aircraft ... Regarding German developments - captured and copied Yumo jet engines were on the first Soviet serial Yak and La - these are about reliability and fire hazard. Well, in general, the Germans had a lot of other interesting things ...
      2. Alex
        Alex 10 July 2014 01: 50
        +3
        Quote: avt
        The German engineering school with its developments impregnated both USA and the USSR for decades to come.
        Morally, yes. Seeing even though the imperfection, but really fought, and you yourself want to have one. Just do not need that, they say, without them no one would have thought of anything and only not grabbed time, etc. etc. This is not about you, it’s just that everything is fine with logic and common sense.
      3. Kassandra
        Kassandra 29 October 2014 09: 29
        0
        he needs the Russian Federation not to have them. therefore, while coping ...
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 15 May 2014 19: 17
      -4
      I absolutely agree - you can scoff and say: "Well, what did the miracle weapon help you? Not a damn thing helped!"
      in fact, it was their ideas that influenced future trends in industrial progress.
    3. Alex
      Alex 10 July 2014 01: 45
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      Let's go from the facts:
      Let's

      the missile industry of the USA and the USSR was based on the developments of the same von Braun (in the States, under his leadership),
      For Amer, yes, for us, insofar as. We played around, realized that all this had passed, nothing new, and went on.

      German jet planes were subjected to the most thorough study of us and our allies, a lot was used, especially in the USSR - this made it possible to reduce the time for our own research.
      Holy truth. And it was established (in our country, I don’t know) that the design of the turbojet engine is extremely unreliable, although the characteristics are impressive, they don’t faint. Once I saw two documentaries about the tests of these wunderwaves (it seems, "Swallows" and "Salamanders", once there were chipboards, now it's history), so the impression is not so hot. The Germans themselves, by the way, were also not enthusiastic about them. What was taken there for further research, except for the idea - I really don't know.

      One of the first aircraft with reverse sweep of the wing, and flying - a German development.
      Reverse sweep is also not a mystery behind the seven seals. EMNIP, the Americans at the same time were doing similar things, they also flew, but it didn’t go to business. Now, mind you, too.

      Quote: inkass_98
      Germany should not be so dismissive of German achievements, if it were not for Adolf Aloizovich’s adventurism, then, given some time and resources that were not enough due to the war on two fronts, Germany could give a light to us, and England, and To the states - by then they would have already got them.
      And now it's time for repression, mountains of corpses, cardboard tanks and plywood planes. Yes, do not forget about detachments and commissars.

      Would not give. And the war on two fronts has nothing to do with it. The Allies began to spoil Hitler’s blood only at the end of the 1943, and even then they weren’t very active. And in 1944 they generally could not rock the boat from their island.
      Aloizievich had the resources (material, financial, natural and intellectual) of all of Europe, which only after May 1945 began to tell how she actively fought with Germany. If Germany could afford practically the entire war to tinker with the "Panther" (now with a simple one, then with the second), then what the hell was missing for flying saucers, stratospheric frogs and nuclear weapons? One - scientific potential and a completely different level of industry. Oleg correctly wrote: the Germans did not come up with anything fundamentally new, all this was at the others either at the best level (this is something that could still fight), or at the same level (which they refused). And the fact that Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin did not build jet fighters and did not plan "Vrilov" - so they did not have to convulsively delay suicide.
  4. bubalik
    bubalik 13 May 2014 08: 21
    +3
    Ideas materialized in the form of unique projects by German designers - often very entertaining, but completely useless from a military point of view


    ,,, why it’s useless, more and more hypotheses have recently appeared that the first atomic bombs (used including the USA, (Hiroshima and Nagasaki)) were made in Germany ,,,,

    Thus, the thesis that the Americans really captured Germany’s nuclear devices and dropped them on Japan is fully confirmed. In the USA, they simply stole budget money for this project, as they later stole money for the lunar program. The entire development of nuclear weapons and controlled nuclear reactions (nuclear reactors) was carried out by German specialists and completed by Russian specialists together with the Germans after the war.(C)

    http://ant-63.livejournal.com/36854.html

    http://army-news.ru/2011/10/manxetenskij-obman-kto-pervym-sozdal-atomnuyu-bombu/
    1. Santa Fe
      13 May 2014 13: 46
      +4
      Quote: bubalik
      Recently there are more and more hypotheses

      for beer patriots
      Quote: bubalik
      that the first atomic bombs (used including the USA, (Hiroshima and Nagasaki)) were made in Germany

      fool
      Where did the Germans get such a quantity of enriched uranium and (!) Weapons-grade plutonium ??? From the sleeve?
      Quote: bubalik
      In the U.S. just stole money budget for this project

      And this is obviously Photoshop -

      K-25 complex Before its demolition in April, 2010 was located in the southwestern part of Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA. K-25 is one of the largest uranium enrichment facilities under the Manhattan Project. To do this, huge installations were constructed that, using the gas diffusion method, extracted weapons-grade uranium-235 from uranium ores. This method of uranium enrichment is very energy-consuming; K-25 has proven to be one of the largest US energy consumers. In 1954, Oak Ridge city consumed 10% of all electricity generated in the United States

      THIRD REICH HAS NO ANYTHING SIMILAR
      Quote: bubalik
      The entire development of nuclear weapons and controlled nuclear reactions (nuclear reactors) was carried out by German specialists

      Something was heard about the Chicago woodpile (the first nuclear reactor launched in 1942)
      Quote: bubalik
      and finished by Russian specialists together with the Germans after the war. (

      visionaries
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      3. bubalik
        bubalik 13 May 2014 14: 06
        +1
        SWEET_SIXTEEN (2) RU  Today, 13: 46

        ,,, I do not claim that it was so ,,, all at the level of rumors ,,, request

        ,,,thanks for your reply,,, hi laughing
        1. Santa Fe
          13 May 2014 14: 45
          +2
          Quote: bubalik
          all at the rumor level

          Stories from the cycle: let's discuss?

          And let's discuss that the earth is square?
          And let's discuss that rolls grow on trees?

          Such "rumors" should be nipped in the bud (or immediately translated into the sphere of alternative history - very good I like to read such things)
          Quote: bubalik
          ,,,thanks for your reply,,,

          Always ready for cooperation
          1. Raphael_83
            Raphael_83 13 May 2014 15: 10
            +3
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            or immediately transfer to the sphere of alternative history


            Frankly speaking - not only to read, but also to write. We do not yet reach the grandees of the genre, but the level of some Zvyagintsev or Kontorovich is fully maintained. Oleg, give more stories, good and different! When I wrote about the ships: the entries were just crazy! Almost in the "piggy bank of quotes". Dry and seasoned analytics without a gram "what would have happened if not" does not suit you ... Or not to the pen?
            From SW. hi
          2. 52
            52 13 May 2014 15: 10
            +4
            Yes, and another interesting point - German nuclear scientists regarded the A-Bomb as a self-exploding reactor. But the principle was simpler for Amers, and the history of the vigorous loaf went the path of least resistance.
          3. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 13 May 2014 17: 11
            +3
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Always ready for cooperation

            According to an article on ignorant Germans. (Repost)
            The results of research in industry and in all public and even private research institutions were withdrawn from their owners and were calculated not by the number of pages, but by the number of tons. As stated by the Wright Field Central American Research Station (Ohio), “by far the most significant collection of secret scientific documents” with a total weight of 1,5 tons was taken out of Germany. Having analyzed all the materials captured and implemented many ideas, the American experts contained in them, by their own admission, "advanced American science and technology for years, and in some cases a whole decade ahead."
            Materials about secret military inventions, which until recently were only a few dozen, now constitute an accumulation of acts totaling up to 750 thousand. In order for new German scientific concepts to find the corresponding English terms, it would be necessary to compile a new German-English dictionary of special words, which included about 40 thousand new technical and scientific terms
            1. Alex
              Alex 10 July 2014 02: 01
              +2
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Having done an analysis of all the captured materials and implemented many of the ideas contained in them, American experts, by their own admission, "advanced American science and technology for years, and in some cases a whole decade ahead."

              American - maybe. Here's what's interesting: for some reason, everyone tacitly accepts as an axiom that the USA in the first half of the 20th century was as scientifically developed a country as it is now. Where are the facts? Yes, they had a well-developed system of applied research (they still have it), which remarkably solved practical problems. But where is their fundamental research, discoveries in the field of classical science. Until a stream of emigrant scientists poured into the United States, many of them fully believed that the Earth was standing on elephants (this is not a banter, Hawkins has a note about this). I say that I know - I had a chance to spend almost four months in the States, talked with their scientists ... They still have all science on visitors, especially Indians: they are traditionally, good mathematicians. And chemists - almost all of us, there I met three friends from KSU.
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      5. avt
        avt 13 May 2014 15: 26
        -1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Where could the Germans get such a quantity of enriched uranium

        Look through Sudoplatov’s memoirs, it’s very interesting to tell where the USSR took uranium from before it developed the mines in itself. As a keepsake, in particular, the mine was in Thuringia and from Bulgaria. Yes, he talked a lot about the atomic project, which actually started in the USSR before the war, and within the framework of a reasonable course, Kharkov mentioned - about Hautermans in particular, who was taken as a German spy, but physicists and even Bohr stood up for him, and after the occupation of Kharkov, he appeared there in the form of SS troops.
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        2. bubalik
          bubalik 13 May 2014 16: 13
          +1
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Where could the Germans get such a quantity of enriched uranium
          avt (4) SU  Today, 15: 26



          In the official report of I.V. Stalin "On the state of work on the production and use of atomic energy" (prepared by IV Kurchatov, IK Kikoin, BL Vannikov, MG Pervukhin and Zavenyagin, mid-January 1946) summarizes: "In 1945 year, various chemical compounds of uranium were identified and exported from Germany and Czechoslovakia "with a total weight in terms of metal of 220 tons." However, what they managed to extract helped out seriously. As IV Kurchatov later said, "these 100 tons helped to a year earlier to launch our first (industrial) reactor to produce plutonium. "Here is another comment:" Until May 1945, there was no hope of building a uranium-graphite boiler, since we had only 7 tons of uranium oxide at our disposal. "T. Beria sent to Germany a special group of workers from Laboratory No. 2 and the NKVD, headed by Comrades Zavenyagin, Makhnev and Kikoin to search for uranium and uranium raw materials. As a result of a lot of work, the group found and exported to the USSR 300 tons of uranium oxide and its compounds, which seriously changed the situation not only with the uranium-graphite boiler, but also with all other uranium structures. "

          The needs of the "uranium" part of the operation were discussed by A.V. Kruchinin, one of its participants: “As we learned later, almost all of the mined ore was hidden in mines in Saxony and Thuringia. These provinces, according to the decision of the Yalta Conference, were part of the Soviet zone of occupation of Germany, but the American units were ahead of our troops, occupied them before the arrival of our troops and did not leave these territories for a long time under various pretexts in order to gain time for the export of uranium ore.As eyewitnesses told me, the Americans threw more than 2 thousand Studebaker cars to export the ore and took it out for several weeks, to mostly at night, leaving these provinces, when the bulk of the uranium was exported. However, we managed to find a certain amount of uranium ore, which was sufficient to carry out work in the Union before the development of deposits in Central Asia and the launch of the joint venture "Vismut". the consignment of radioactive materials was accompanied by serious difficulties and not without incident. "


          http://www.famhist.ru/famhist/zavin/000043f0.htm
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 13 May 2014 16: 35
            -1
            It is known that during the Great Patriotic War, a gigantic synthetic rubber plant was built in Auschwitz. However, despite the fact that thousands of scientists and tens of thousands of concentration camp prisoners worked here, and the production itself consumed more power than all of Berlin, not a kilogram rubber was not made. According to Farrell, it was an industrial isotope separation complex. It was successfully located near Czech and German uranium mines, close to the water sources necessary for enriching isotopes, close to highways and railways and Lower Silesia, where there were several underground centers for the development of secret weapons. A few days before the arrival of Soviet troops in Auschwitz, the Germans urgently dismantled the plant.
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            Chemical enterprises of the IG Farben concern in Auschwitz-Monowice, winter 1944-1945
            1. Alex
              Alex 10 July 2014 02: 08
              +4
              Quote: bubalik
              Chemical enterprises of the IG Farben concern in Auschwitz-Monowice, winter 1944-1945
              Nothing like a uranium enrichment complex. A typical picture of a large chemical plant.
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          3. Santa Fe
            13 May 2014 17: 15
            +3
            Quote: bubalik
            In 1945, various chemical compounds of uranium were identified and exported from Germany and Czechoslovakia "with a total weight in terms of metal of 220 tons."

            This is uranium oxide, ore
            Nuclear fuel still a long way off
            Quote: bubalik
            According to Farrell, it was an industrial complex for the separation of isotopes

            Let's say
            But two of the three detonated bombs (Fat Man and Trinity) were plutonium
            Nuclear reactors are needed to produce plutonium.
            The Germans did not have nuclear reactors
            Quote: bubalik
            In several days before the Soviet troops arrived in Auschwitz, the Germans urgently dismantled the plant.

            In several days? Uranium Enrichment Plant?
            You yourself understand that this is fantastic

            And the main problem: if Germany had nuclear weapons, the Nazis would not wait to give the finished Yankees bombs later
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 13 May 2014 18: 04
              -3
              SWEET_SIXTEEN (2) RU  Today, 17: 15 For a few days? Uranium Enrichment Plant?
              You yourself understand that this is fantastic

              ,,, You literally do not count days, an example
              Dneprospetsstal
              Evacuation period: August 20-October 3 October 1941
              Evacuation manager: plant director Alexander Tregubenko
              Evacuated: equipment - 897 wagons; metal and materials - 1430 wagons; three 30-ton furnaces; rolling mill mills
              Where: most to Siberian Stalin (now Novokuznetsk)


              ,,, and you think that the Germans with their organization of labor can’t disassemble a plant in a month, albeit for uranium enrichment ??
              1. Santa Fe
                13 May 2014 20: 23
                +2
                Quote: bubalik
                it’s impossible to disassemble a plant in a month, albeit for uranium enrichment ??

                And where were they taken? Where did it all go

                All this is nothing more than speculation. The Germans could not overtake the Americans - the capabilities of the military-industrial complex of both countries were incomparable, as were the volumes of funding for military programs. The Yankees were richer, stronger, did not know the lack of resources, assembled the best team of specialists from all over the world and had calm conditions to work behind the "anti-tank ditch" 6000 km wide
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 13 May 2014 20: 32
                  +1
                  Here, Oleg, that’s the point! The economies are not comparable. Why did Adolf try to delay the moment of transferring the Reich economy to martial law? Just don’t bring the economies of the occupied countries as an addition, they say half of Europe! INCORPORABLE! The USSR could still compete (tearing veins), but + with the Yankees ...
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        3. Santa Fe
          13 May 2014 17: 05
          +3
          Quote: avt
          the mine was in Thuringia and from Bulgaria

          This is uranium ore. But how to isolate the isotope U235 from it
          The Yankees spent billions on the construction of huge complexes - the Germans did not have such opportunities

          Next, weapons-grade plutonium (after all, Trinity and Fat Man were plutonium)
          Plutonium in the crust of the globe according to calculations no more than 30 kg. In its natural form does not occur. To obtain it, reactors are needed - which the Germans did not have.

          The Third Reich did not create a single operational nuclear reactor. The only protopip in Khaiderlokh - after the war it turned out that it would never work, the Fritz miscalculated on 750 kg of uranium
        4. ty60
          ty60 13 May 2014 23: 41
          0
          Be sure to leaf through. For I have.
        5. Turkir
          Turkir 16 May 2014 00: 00
          -2
          Joachimsthal: in the Czech Republic, in the Ore Mountains, on Weseritz; lives. up to 7000; center of the mining industrial district: silver, uranium ore, bismuth, nickel; lace, uranium paints, tobacco, gloves.
        6. Alex
          Alex 10 July 2014 02: 07
          +4
          This is enriched uranium, not its source. Uranium itself is not uncommon in Europe (it was discovered there by the German chemist Heinrich Klaprot), but here is where to get the weapons if its content is 0,7%. Isotope enrichment is a complex, expensive and energy intensive process. Only a rich state that is not occupied by a serious war can afford such production during the war. There was nothing like this in Germany.
      6. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 13 May 2014 16: 51
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        visionaries

        And where did Einstein, the enterprising scientist, work before fleeing to America?
        October 1939 - US President F. Roosevelt was handed a letter and a memorandum prepared by A. Einstein and a group of prominent European physicists who emigrated to the United States about the possibility of creating nuclear weapons in Germany. More than two billion dollars were spent on the Manhattan project that he created. Scientists from all over the world worked in this project. It is interesting that a nuclear reactor was launched in the USSR in 1946.
        German chemist Otto Gahn, and for which he was given the Nobel Prize?
        1. Santa Fe
          13 May 2014 17: 20
          +3
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          German chemist Otto Gahn, and for which he was given the Nobel Prize?

          For the fission of the uranium nucleus (in laboratory conditions, of course)

          But the creation of nuclear weapons is a completely different scale.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 13 May 2014 20: 16
            -2
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            But the creation of nuclear weapons is a completely different scale.

            This was the first real step. Then Joliot-Curie found direct physical evidence that such a division is explosive and everything went round, in the minds of the bomb was ready and the rest is a matter of technology. I am no less interested in your opinion on my other comment, a little higher.
            1. Alex
              Alex 10 July 2014 02: 17
              +4
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              in the minds of the bomb was ready and the rest is a matter of technology.
              The theory of piercing space has also been known for a long time, only the technique is lagging behind. But nothing, we are reanimating the Germans, with Tibetan help they will quickly bungle everything, and we will slam them.
        2. Alex
          Alex 10 July 2014 02: 15
          +3
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          And where did Einstein, the enterprising scientist, work before fleeing to America? October 1939 - US President F. Roosevelt was handed a letter and a memorandum prepared by A. Einstein and a group of prominent European physicists who emigrated to the United States about the possibility of creating nuclear weapons in Germany.
          Enough about this notorious letter. Einstein has nothing to do with him more than a general at a wedding. Simply, he was at that time the most influential, famous and popular scientist in the world. He also had to be persuaded, like a merchant's daughter at the matchmaking.
          By the way, Albert did not deal with the problems of nuclear physics.
      7. Kassandra
        Kassandra 29 October 2014 08: 42
        -1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Where did the Germans get such a quantity of enriched uranium and (!) Weapons-grade plutonium ??? From the sleeve?


        SGAO "Vismut"


        your other systemic nonsense is easily treated by comparing the successes of Goddard and von Braun
        It is also known where the Americans got all their interwar airships, and the fact that the Germans appeared in the Germans back in the 20s.
        after WWII, Lockheed continued the tradition by buying the Yak-141 "for just a mile"

        and this pornography on your photo is a grandiose thermal diffusion wash of dough instead of centrifuges, with 100 times less productivity than theirs.
    2. Alex
      Alex 10 July 2014 01: 52
      +4
      Quote: bubalik
      Well, why it’s useless, more and more hypotheses have recently appeared that the first atomic bombs (used including the USA, (Hiroshima and Nagasaki)) were made in Germany
      No, that's all, I lay down my arms, this fairy tale cannot be defeated ...
  5. Letun
    Letun 13 May 2014 08: 52
    +12
    Did not like the article.
    Quote: article
    Instead of sticking a three-layer “sandwich” from balsa and thoroughly polishing the surfaces, it was easier to “strike” a pair of “Pawns” (Pe-2) and immediately throw them into battle, towards the brutal hordes of fascists

    The crew of one Mosquito is one pilot, the crew of 2 Pe-2 is 6 people. It was easier to "tune" a couple of "pawns", but what about people that we do not mention?
    And the moment about cowardly Americans who did not want to lose their pilots when attacking ships, and therefore developing drones, also warped. Better courageously rush to anti-aircraft guns and lose hundreds of skilled pilots?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 May 2014 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: Letun
      Instead of sticking a three-layer “sandwich” from balsa and thoroughly polishing the surfaces,

      By the way, almost all planes in the USSR did this until the middle of the war, it’s ridiculous to say that there were no skilled workers. Engines, yes, the Americans were ahead of everyone here
      Quote: Letun
      The crew of one mosquito - one pilot

      And what is the payload of this Mosquito? (In the latest versions, up to a ton)
      And why then built the B-17 with a crew of 10 people?
      I’ll add that it’s almost impossible to accurately drop a bomb at night:
      Toward the middle of the campaign, the British command began to slowly realize that the results of the bombing were insignificant
      impact on the Germans. Despite the growing tonnage of the dropped bombs, the inaccuracy of the bombing was such that if the bomb fell within five miles of the target it was considered a “hit” for statistical purposes, but even with such an account, many bombs were recognized as missed. [12] Sometimes, analyzing the purpose and effectiveness of the English raid that took place, the Germans could not determine which city (not to mention the specific building inside the city) was the original purpose of the raid, the scatter of the craters from the bomb explosions was so great.

      Ours and Germans mainly riveted support aircraft for dive-forces and attack aircraft and did not have to glue them out of wood
      meaning
      Quote: Letun
      Better courageously rush to anti-aircraft guns and lose hundreds of skilled pilots?

      See the sinking of LK "Roma"
      1. Santa Fe
        13 May 2014 20: 37
        +1
        Quote: Pilat2009
        By the way, almost all planes in the USSR did this

        No
        Quote: Pilat2009
        And what is the payload of this mosquito?

        4000 pounds - 1800 kg, modification Mark-16, 1944 year
        high-speed bomber, scout, night fighter
        Quote: Pilat2009
        And why then built the B-17 with a crew of 10 people?

        Carpet bombing of objects behind enemy lines
        Quote: Pilat2009
        Accurately dropping a bomb at night is almost impossible:

        Instead of ballistics, statistics worked
        1000 bombers in one night
        Quote: Pilat2009
        bombing results have negligible
        impact on the Germans.

        Known myth and fallacy
        Arms production volumes grew more slowly than all other powers
        This despite the fact that since the 1944 of the year in Germany the civilian sector has been completely phased out - no more hours and gramophones
        Quote: Pilat2009
        See the sinking of LK "Roma"

        Fritz X guided bomb under visual operator control

        Unlike the Germans, the operators of the American UAV were outside the combat operations zone
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 13 May 2014 21: 03
          +2
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          No

          LaGG-3 polished coffin
          la 5

          Mig-1 wing console (its area is 17,44 square meters) - wooden
          Mig-3 wing console - wooden
          Yak-1 Wing with an area of ​​17,15 square meters. m. wooden, without connectors, pasted over with canvas. From above and below the cabin, the frame was profiled with plywood garments

          I-16 - A wooden monocoque fuselage (lining from birch veneer) of two halves, glued from plywood and glued (bone or casein) to a power frame (pine or ash) consisting of 11 frames, 4 spars and 11 stringers. Plywood trim the wings were glued with a cloth and then multilayer coated with aviation varnish
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Instead of ballistics, statistics worked

          Is this the question about Mosquito? With its 4 kg bombs 250?
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Known myth and fallacy

          again, it's about the miraculous bomber Mosquito
          1. Santa Fe
            14 May 2014 00: 01
            0
            We were very interested in the weather vane screws, which were not yet available on serial Soviet bombers, individual engine mounts, a cab heating device (we didn’t have them either, in winter Pe-2 and Il-4 also had 30 frost degrees), modern compact devices, flame arresters on the exhaust pipes. Unlike Soviet aircraft, all wooden parts from the inside were treated with antiseptic from rot.

            ... we wrote a lot of paper, telling about the interchangeability of parts and assemblies, convenient access to all the main units, and the speed of their replacement if necessary. Many automatic devices facilitated the work of the crew in flight.

            A thorough study of the Mosquito design was aimed at determining the possibility of its licensed construction in the USSR. This issue was raised at a meeting of the State Defense Committee on April 21, 1944, almost immediately after the arrival of the vehicle in our country. According to its flight data, the British bomber was somewhat superior to the domestic Pe-2 and Tu-2, especially at high altitudes. Its glider was made entirely of wood, like many Soviet aircraft.

            High performance was ensured primarily by careful manufacturing (including surface polishing), the use of a lightweight and durable three-layer sandwich construction with an inner layer of balsa and excellent Merlin motors in the cladding. The last two circumstances completely buried the venture with the production of "Mosquito" in the USSR.

            Quote: Pilat2009
            Is this the question about Mosquito? With its 4 kg bombs 250?

            Mosquitoes did not bomb at night

            with such LTH they could act calmly during the day
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 14 May 2014 00: 24
              0
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              with such LTH they could act calmly during the day

              Do you seriously believe that a fighter will not hit a bomber?
              But how then did they bring down the B-17? Well, okay, the speed of 17 is a hundred less, with the same ceiling ... But any fighter had no less speed ...
              Since the spring of 1944, nightly operations have become dominant for Mosquito, because during daytime operations, despite the high speed of the aircraft, the losses were still very noticeable

              During the war, they completed almost 40 thousand sorties, losing 254 vehicles. Thus, the loss rate was 0,63% - much lower than that of any other type of bombers - given that they flew at night, nothing particularly outstanding
              1. Santa Fe
                14 May 2014 01: 08
                +2
                Quote: Pilat2009
                Do you seriously believe that a fighter will not hit a bomber?

                Seriously
                when they have almost equal speeds - the fighter has few chances to catch up, "line up" and shoot such a "snellbomber". besides, it was enough for Mosquito to change course - and the attack was completely thwarted. Remember how a whole regiment of MiG-15 tried to shoot down a jet B-47 (battle over the Kola Peninsula on May 8, 1954) - Stratojet was able to escape

                The only chance is to try to catch up with a dive, but there was a bummer - Mosquito tried to fly at high altitudes (at a height of Rolls-Royce Merlin pulled better than any Messerschmitt engine)
                Quote: Pilat2009
                But how then did they bring down the B-17?

                Lower altitude, worse maneuverability and much lower flight speed

                Moreover, the interceptors tried to direct from the ground - "head-on" to huge formations of Fortresses
                Quote: Pilat2009
                given that they flew at night,

                More often they flew during the day

                Front-line (tactical) bombers, scouts - monitored the whole of Europe, naval attack aircraft (hunted for submarines in the Bay of Biscay), special mission aircraft (Niels Bohr was evacuated to Mosquito from Sweden to the UK), etc.

                At night, only courier transport boards and night fighters based on Mosquito flew
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 13 May 2014 09: 05
    +4
    Once I read for a long time that our submariners off the coast of Norway torpedoed transport, as it turned out later, it was loaded with heavy water, deuterium oxide. This loss did not allow the Germans to create an atomic bomb. Honestly, I don’t want to think that it would be if they could do it.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 13 May 2014 11: 00
      +4
      .... Heavy water would not save the Germans ... It turned out after the war that the Germans took the dead end in developing nuclear weapons ...
    2. Alex
      Alex 10 July 2014 02: 20
      +3
      Quote: Free Wind
      I once read that our submariners off the coast of Norway torpedoed vehicles,
      If it is not said when it happened and which boat torpedoed - just chatter. Yes, and the Germans did not transport heavy water to the submarines - quite normal transports coped quite well.
  7. Slavs
    Slavs 13 May 2014 09: 10
    +6
    Hmm ... A devastating article did not work ... I have the opinion that the courage and scope of engineering thought of the Germans can surprise even now, they have thrown us a lot of ideas, including how NOT to do it too ... Another question is that it undermined the Reich economy ... It seems to me that the fact that many German scientists migrated to the United States after the war is bearing fruit today, not only in terms of progress, but also in terms of costs ... Remember the Star Wars program, the amounts spent and final result...
  8. 505506
    505506 13 May 2014 09: 15
    +3
    The opinion of the author is valuable in that he tried to objectively assess the situation, and not be limited to cliches. For it is big +.
  9. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 13 May 2014 09: 35
    +19
    Very ambiguous conclusions on the article! Something from a series - something that is not ours ... I recommend that the author read at his leisure a book by an American author ... a well-known expert on weapons J. FARELL "BLACK SUN OF THE THIRD REICH. Battle for the weapon of retribution." If the author had familiarized himself with the facts (precisely with the facts!) ... set forth in this almost 500-page study, then ... I am sure he would have been less categorical in his conclusions ... and about atomic and beam weapons and other superbombs .. .and about jet aircraft, flying "saucers" and air defense air defense systems ... developments in engine and aircraft construction ... After all, only the 40 U-390 bomber aircraft built by Germany could take off from the OSLO area ... bombard New York and return back ... And a lot of innovative developments can be called more ... but !!! I'm not idealizing German engineering thought ... but just like that, lowering it to the level of the plinth ... as the author did ... you can't! Many developments in military equipment and weapons in the United States and England originate not only from technical ideas, but also from the already semi-finished engineering solutions of German specialists. Yes, and Korolev with Raspletin, like Mikoyan with Yakovlev ... and many others ... did not pass by their advanced engineering solutions. The trouble with the German engineers is ... that they did not complete their developments due to the conditions set by the Fuehrer - everything that does not receive continuous production within 6 months is not subject to funding ...
    So you need to be a little careful in such categorical conclusions about the work of German specialists in comparison with the engineers of the USA and ENGLAND (many of whom came from the same GERMANY and many other countries!) ...
    1. Santa Fe
      13 May 2014 13: 35
      +2
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      and about atomic and beam weapons and other super-bombs ...

      Tales for the unsuspecting layman
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      only Germany-built 40 U-390 bombers could take off from the OSLO region ... bomb in New York and go back.

      Slow-moving six-motor disgrace
      The Germans failed to create an analogue of the American B-29 Super Fortress
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      and about jet aviation

      Not surprised. The Allies had their own successful project - Gloucester Meteor
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      Korolev and Raspletin, like Mikoyan and Yakovlev ... and many others ... did not pass by their advanced engineering solutions

      The USSR is not an indicator. He lagged behind those of the USA and the Reich in terms of those developments. He had a special way and his own working methods.
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      So many developments military equipment and weapons of the United States, England originate not only with technical ideas, but also with semi-finished engineering solutions of German specialists

      Straight a lot?

      Except Werner F Brown
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      (many of which came from the same GERMANY and many other countries!

      So what. Each of 300 million Americans came from somewhere
      A specific country of emigrants, combining the best from around the world
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 13 May 2014 20: 29
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Straight a lot?
        Except Werner F Brown

        So, for example, Mr. Lester Walker writes in the Harpers Magazine (October 1946):
        “The greatest importance for the future,” says elsewhere, “are German secrets in the production of missiles and rockets. .... As it became known, the Germans at the end of the war had 138 types of remotely-controlled projectiles at various stages of production and development ... all the remote-control and aiming systems known so far were used: radio, short waves, wired communications, directional electromagnetic waves, sound, infrared rays, light beams, magnetic control, etc. "." We learned from these priceless secrets how to make the best capacitor in the world. Millions of capacitors are used both in radio engineering and in the production of high-frequency equipment ... but this capacitor can withstand almost twice as much voltage as our American capacitors. This is a real miracle for our radio technicians. ” “... however, the most valuable secrets were obtained by us from the laboratories and factories of the large German chemical concern IG Farbenindustri. Nowhere and never had such a valuable treasure of trade secrets. These secrets relate to the production of liquid and solid fuels, to the metallurgical industry, to the production of synthetic rubber, textiles, chemicals, artificial fabrics, medicines and paints. One American specialist in the field of dye production said that German patents contain methods and recipes for 50 thousand types of coloring substances, and most of them are better than ours. We ourselves probably would never have been able to manufacture some of them. The American paint industry has stepped forward at least ten years. ” well, etc.
        1. Alex
          Alex 10 July 2014 02: 30
          +3
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          One American expert in the field of dye production said that German patents contain methods and recipes for 50 thousand types of coloring substances, and most of them are better than ours.

          Also news to me. Although the first synthetic dye was obtained by Perkin in England, the main works and the creation of a theory from synthesis were made in Germany by a whole team of researchers. Industrial production of aniline dyes began there at the beginning of the century. Germans are excellent chemists, unlike Americans.
  10. The Art of War
    The Art of War 13 May 2014 09: 59
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmlK1NAPs5s
  11. The Art of War
    The Art of War 13 May 2014 10: 01
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwDgesSI-aU
  12. Avenich
    Avenich 13 May 2014 10: 05
    +15
    I will subscribe to most of the above comments. The successes of German engineering during the reign of the NSRP in Germany are impressive. Of course, disk aircrafts, nonsense of American journalists greedy for sensations, and in their absence, confidently creating them. But apart from this: synthetic gasoline, synthetic oils, so-called "ersatz" products, even the famous "Fanta". Tank "Mouse" is generally recognized as useless junk, and how the drive is made, many mining machines use the same principle. I read it in "I fought in the IL-2", in order to make a maneuver on our attack aircraft, it was necessary to do H-manipulations, and Fock had only one "afterburner" handle. About the Wehrmacht submarine fleet, I think, the author knows much better than me.
    Do not underestimate the neighbor, especially since at some point in time he became an adversary. It is necessary to study, steal, but to study. Properly, carefully, without blind copying. And now it is relevant.
    1. Santa Fe
      13 May 2014 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: Avenich
      The success of German engineering during the reign of the NSDL of Germany is impressive.

      Allied engineering successes are even more impressive

      Super-ships and mega-planes, strategic Super-fortresses with remote-controlled turrets, shock drones, naval air defense systems, the world's first electronic computer (ENIAC-1945 g.), Operational models of reactors and nuclear weapons, unique aircraft engines, radars, anti-aircraft shells with radar guidance heads - the Germans look very faded amid the successes of the UK and the USA
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 14 May 2014 00: 45
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        world's first electronic computer (ENIAK-1945)

        In fact, Konrad Zuse built his Z-1 as early as 38, and at 42 there was already Z-3 and the Planckaykul programming language .... So the arrogant Saxons are resting hi
        1. Santa Fe
          14 May 2014 01: 26
          +2
          Quote: Raven1972
          and in 42 there was already Z-3 and the programming language Planckaykul ....

          Z-3 was assembled from telephone relays, Eniak - electronic tubes

          By the way, the Yankees at that time had a similar device - Mark-1
          Quote: Raven1972
          and the Planckaykul programming language

          The world's first program was written by Ada Lovelace (mid-19th century) - for the Babbage analogue computer

          The first compiler was created by American Grace Hopper (mid-Second World War)
          1. Raven1972
            Raven1972 14 May 2014 09: 27
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Z-3 was assembled from telephone relays, Eniak - electronic tubes

            It doesn’t matter, the elements themselves that on the other are the same AND, OR, inverters, only the implementation is different hi The question is different - the Germans used it throughout the war, and for some reason the coulters dopped up to Eniak only in 1945 ...
            Not influenced by dating with the Z-3? hi
            The program for the Babbage calculator is the same as the "program" for the Felix adding machine laughing - pure mechanics and nothing more, and the Planckail was already implemented on the Z-2 41g. hi
    2. Raven1972
      Raven1972 14 May 2014 00: 50
      0
      Quote: Avenich
      and Foke had only one "afterburner" handle

      Yeah)))))))) laughing Show in the photo - which of them? Cabin FV-190 in the photo hi laughing laughing laughing
      1. Avenich
        Avenich 14 May 2014 06: 29
        0
        Third left
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 14 May 2014 09: 14
          +1
          Quote: Avenich
          Third left

          in which row? hi laughing
          In fact, the injection of methanol mixture is a button on the gas handle and, as you can see, the levers in the PV-190 are no less than in the IL-2 request I’ll tell you a little secret - there are about the same number of them in a modern fighter — the control of wing mechanization has not gone away like the mechanization itself (slats, flaps, trimmers) hi
          1. Avenich
            Avenich 14 May 2014 10: 55
            +1
            Fuu ... I barely found it. The truth is pretty wrong, I confess. But the essence remained, in vain I, of course, screwed in the word "afterburner".
            A serious advantage in battle for pilots
            Luftwaffe gave installed in German
            fighter control unit automation
            mi propeller group. The system provides
            shaft automated control
            fuel mixture, temperature
            fluid and oil, and
            supercharger speeds and screw pitch. At
            this constant speed machine was
            associated with the gas sector, each position
            which corresponded to the "equilibrium number
            revolutions. " On the handle of the gas sector there were two
            position electric toggle switch, middle-
            which could be heavier or
            unload the screw.
            The presence of such automation allowed
            to German pilots in air combat
            focus entirely on pilot-
            aircraft and shooting
            this is only the gas sector, pedals and control knob
            laziness. For comparison: Soviet pilots with
            vertical combat
            it took to pilot the plane at the same time,
            shoot, adjust the pitch of the screw, control
            altitude corrector, switch speeds
            blower, monitor the position of the water and oil cooler flaps. When fighting on bends
            it was easier - you could restrict yourself only
            to gas sector management. In a word, on
            “Messer” was much easier than on “Yaks” and
            “Shopkeepers”, to fight and realize soon
            ongoing air combat potential
            aircraft capabilities.
            1. Raven1972
              Raven1972 14 May 2014 16: 03
              +1
              + You for interesting info good hi
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 14 May 2014 16: 41
              +1
              Quote: Avenich
              fight and realize soon
              ongoing air combat potential
              aircraft capabilities.

              I will add that diving and getting out of it were also implemented automatically on the Yu-87: The Stucks design contained several innovative ideas. For example, automatic air brakes under both wings to ensure that the aircraft leaves the dive even if the pilot faints from overloads, and a siren called the Jericho Pipe (used until 1943), which was driven by the flow of incoming air, and produced a howl during diving, having a psychological effect on the enemy, as well as helping the pilot to assess the speed of the dive without looking at the instruments (tonal pitch increased with increasing speed).

              These and other ideas were licked by our developers.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 14 May 2014 17: 00
                +1
                Do you know that during an emergency landing on the Ju-87 "legs" were thrown off? There were explosive bolts
  13. The Art of War
    The Art of War 13 May 2014 10: 11
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUTaa-qXMGc
  14. Alf
    Alf 13 May 2014 11: 00
    +3
    Quote: cosmos111
    Americans now, use the ideas and developments of the 3 Reich ((((

    Of course, I do not consider myself an authority, but ... B-2 flies on computers that constantly "keep" it in the air, and what would the Gotha-229 fly on?
    As one of my acquaintances, a fairly knowledgeable person, told me, "It is not enough to draw a drawing, it is not enough to build one prototype, you have to teach it to fly, and this is the most difficult and long time."
    Before the war, the USSR also built 2 such aircraft, DBLK and K-12. In the USA-XB-35. And what? It turned out that they are very unstable in flight.
    1. Santa Fe
      13 May 2014 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: Alf
      It turned out that they are very unstable in flight.

      Naturally, they don’t have a keel.
  15. Parabelum
    Parabelum 13 May 2014 11: 39
    +2
    Alas, all the created crafts - Ju.390, Fw.300, Me.264, Ta.400 - did not even reach the level of the American "Super Fortress".

    What does "even" mean? "Superfortress" for its time, had high performance characteristics. It's like Lada-Granta does not even reach the level of Bentley.
  16. Alf
    Alf 13 May 2014 11: 58
    +6
    Quote: Letun
    The crew of one Mosquito is one pilot, the crew of 2 Pe-2 is 6 people. It was easier to "tune" a couple of "pawns", but what about people that we do not mention?
    And the moment about cowardly Americans who did not want to lose their pilots when attacking ships, and therefore developing drones, also warped. Better courageously rush to anti-aircraft guns and lose hundreds of skilled pilots?

    The crew of Mosquito is 2 people, and Pe-2-3. Mosquito was used as a night fighter, high-speed reconnaissance, naval attack aircraft, light bomber. Pe-2 was a front-line bomber, i.e. He worked on the front line. 2/3 of all anti-aircraft artillery in Germany were on the Eastern Front, and the Pe-2 met with German fighters every day, unlike the British. I wonder what would be the loss of Mossi in such conditions? In addition, Mosquito worked on the principle of a pin injection, and not mass application.
  17. Hort
    Hort 13 May 2014 12: 28
    0
    Not an analytical article, but some kind of agitation turned out.
    In fairness, it must be said that ALL the achievements of the 20th century in the field of rocket science, jet aviation and the construction of a submarine fleet (partially), as well as nuclear programs, are the results of the trophy legacy of the Third Reich.
    And if we had not crushed the Fritz from the East or stopped at our borders in 1944, we would have received the Vrils and modernized jet aircraft, the FAU-3 in New York and the latest series of submarines with the latest torpedoes, and nuclear bombs in Moscow and Leningrad.
    Of course, disk aerial vehicles, the nonsense of American journalists are avid for a sensation, and in the absence of them, confidently creating them.
    nonsense is not nonsense, but they raised the prototype into the air. It was simply not enough time and resources to bring them to mind - the Red Army was already knocking at the gates of Berlin
    1. pincet
      pincet 13 May 2014 17: 41
      +1
      Quote: hort
      All the achievements of the 20th century in the field of rocket science, jet aircraft and the construction of a submarine fleet (in part), as well as nuclear programs, are the results of the trophy legacy of the Third Reich.

      are you sure? those. Engaged in nuclear physics Rutherford, Bohr, Fermi, Oppenheimer and others, apparently toiled nonsense?
      1. Hort
        Hort 13 May 2014 21: 09
        -1
        no, but German trophy materials accelerated the process
  18. tolancop
    tolancop 13 May 2014 12: 42
    +8
    Controversial article.

    "Poor acceleration characteristics and low reliability due to imperfect engines made the Me.262 easy prey for enemy piston aircraft. American Mustangs ambushed German airfields and massively shot helpless Swallows during takeoff or landing ...."
    About "Me-262 - easy prey" is an obvious exaggeration. Go shoot down this easy prey, which in speed exceeds 100 kilometers. And the distress on takeoff and landing is not an indicator, in these modes any aircraft is defenseless.

    "... On February 19, 1945, one such jet" waffle "was shot down in an air battle by Ivan Kozhedub. The hero won an unusual victory on the most ordinary plane La-7 ..."
    It is described as if the Me-262 was similarly shot down by an ordinary pilot on an antediluvian vehicle.

    "... The result of all experiments with jet aircraft was the following.
    The German "wunderwaffe" was thrown into the dustbin of history along with the "millennial Reich". The British "Gloucester Meteor" was gradually brought to an operational state and remained in service with the air forces of seventeen countries of the world until the early 70s. "

    As far as I know, the Me-262 was serially built by the Czechs after the war and was in service until the mid-50s. And according to the Me-262 scheme, immediately after the war, aircraft were built in the USSR. The Germans simply did not have enough time to fine-tune the "raw" models of the latest weapons.

    Nazi Germany was a criminal state, but it was unfair to muddle German science and engineering. The results of German R&D turned out to be a very valuable trophy for highly developed countries. And the winning countries received a powerful engineering impetus from using the results of German developments. Germany was defeated not because of the diversion of forces to develop wunderwafes, but because of limited resources.
    1. Santa Fe
      13 May 2014 13: 10
      +3
      Quote: tolancop
      Me-262 after the war was serially built by the Czechs

      9 fighters collected and 3 sparks - this is very serial))
      and that’s only because the finished sets of parts and documentation from the German occupiers were preserved
      Quote: tolancop
      according to the Me-262 scheme, immediately after the war, aircraft were built in the USSR.

      As a result, I had to buy a British turbojet engine "Nin" - only then a real MiG-15 fighter appeared
      Quote: tolancop
      The results of German R&D turned out to be a very valuable trophy for highly developed countries.

      Those. high-altitude Superfastness with remotely controlled turrets and shock UAV of the 1942 model of the year - are you not at all impressed?
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 13 May 2014 20: 32
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        9 fighters collected and 3 sparks - this is very serial))
        and that’s only because the finished sets of parts and documentation from the German occupiers were preserved

        Heinkel He-162 Salamander fighter assembly line at the Junkers Underground Plant in Tartoon, Germany, early April 1945. Only 69 days separated the start of the construction of the He-162 aircraft from the first test flight of one of the 30 prototypes of this aircraft in December 1944. It is hard to believe, but the monthly production rate of these machines was to be 4000 aircraft!(cry)
  19. qwert
    qwert 13 May 2014 12: 45
    +6
    The Red Army is indeed all stronger. Fact. Otherwise, we would not have been in Berlin.
    And further. Look at unrealized projects. In Germany, the USSR, England, the USA, Japan ... Everywhere unrealized projects overtook time ... But because they weren’t realized, they couldn’t. They relied on an engine that they could not build. They did not take into account that the acceleration is too great. It was mistakenly thought that the fuel needed several times (!) Less. You can admire projects, but just like art. And the real masterpieces were the usual Spitfires, La 7s and Me-109s ...
    Do not fall in love with a beautiful portrait, you need to love real girls ...
  20. Day 11
    Day 11 13 May 2014 12: 56
    0
    I didn’t like the article. It’s clear there were Nazis and so on ... But to deny the talent of German designers is stupid. Here the author describes about the invincibility of the Mosquito, but the Germans created an excellent interceptor He-219 "Wuhu" to fight it. Read how the major brought down the Mosquito on this plane. Werner Streib, including NIGHT! For 10 days of June 1943, about 20 pieces (of course, this is not the only one). And this is also on the A-0 series, so I would not exaggerate the advantages of Mosquito (although they certainly exist). The fact that he did not go in a large series --- Milch's "merit" (mutual dislike). As for the German analogue of the super fortress, there was quite He-177 "Greif". True, the problem with the fire hazard of the engines remained unresolved, but it was a question time
    1. Santa Fe
      13 May 2014 13: 16
      0
      Quote: Den 11
      but the Germans created an excellent interceptor He-219 "Wuhu" to fight it

      Wuhu were able to cut the USSR-UK air courier line?
      Quote: Den 11
      As for the German analogue of the super fortress, there was quite a He-177 "Greif"

      This one did not even reach the level of the usual flying fortress B-17
      Quote: Den 11
      the problem with the fire hazard of the dviguns remained unresolved -but it was a matter of time

      The Germans were unable to bring Greif throughout the war.
      Allied flying fortresses had no such problems.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 13 May 2014 13: 39
        0
        That's the whole point --- shook them in different directions. Created something good-bring to mind and put into series! I believe that it was possible not to release the same Tiger with Panther --- modernization T -4 completely allowed to stab all existing tanks at that time.
      2. Hort
        Hort 13 May 2014 13: 42
        +2
        Allied flying fortresses had no such problems.
        the allies and problems, as the Germans did not have;)
  21. Avenich
    Avenich 13 May 2014 13: 42
    +1
    [quote = SWEET_SIXTEEN] [quote = Avenich] The success of German engineering during the reign of the NSRP of Germany is impressive. [/ quote]
    Allied engineering successes are even more impressive

    Yes, yes, you, Oleg, also write about the first locator. Swam, we know. Doing trolling again.
    In my comment there is no opposition to the Jankowski or Saxon promising developments, against the German ones. And they were going to build ships out of ice. By the way, here's a temka for you.
    1. Santa Fe
      13 May 2014 13: 56
      0
      Quote: Avenich
      And they were going to build ships out of ice.

      At the end of 1942, the British Admiralty issued an order to develop a conceptual design of a completely unusual ship. The author of this project, Jeffrey Pike, proposed to build an aircraft carrier with a length of 600 m and a displacement of 1,8 million tons, capable of receiving up to 200 fighters and reconnaissance aircraft for anti-aircraft and anti-submarine cover of allied Atlantic convoys. The gigantic dimensions did not frighten or discourage Pike at all: after all, it was not traditional steel that went to the Habakkuk building, but the “pikerit” material he invented — a frozen mixture of water and sawdust. The aircraft carrier was supposed to be built in Canada and then transferred to the northern theater of operations.
      1. Avenich
        Avenich 13 May 2014 14: 24
        0
        Why don't you "wunderwaffle". Well, about the "spruce goose" you know. It seems that the Yankees also had a project with superhyper passenger seaplanes. Again, over the airship, the transatlantic flight, a live orchestra plays all the way. In short, the title for the article is outlined: "Miracle machine of the USA. Where could the worthless projects of the rotten pseudo-democratic system lead the economy"
  22. erofich
    erofich 13 May 2014 13: 47
    0
    Geyropsky cheers - patriotism. The Americans and the British won the war. Hooray.
  23. Alf
    Alf 13 May 2014 13: 48
    0
    Quote: tolancop
    . And according to the Me-262 scheme, immediately after the war, aircraft were built in the USSR.

    And you can find out which aircraft were built in the USSR according to the ME-262 scheme. I only remember the 9 SU-1947. But, firstly, there were only a few pieces, and, secondly, the fuselage of the 262th triangular section, and the SU-9th was almost round. A person who is versed in aerodynamics will immediately say that these are completely different planes. And how was the 262nd scheme revolutionary? Wing engines? So this is a direct legacy of conventional piston aircraft.
    And about "not enough time", so they are to blame. On which one asks, the male organ, the Germans laid down so many projects at once? It was not for nothing that the USSR, the USA and Britain held on to the continuity of serial production.
  24. Alf
    Alf 13 May 2014 13: 54
    +1
    Quote: aleks 62
    that the resources of piston engines of that period (Soviet) were also small -30-50 hours. In wartime conditions, aircraft were calculated on

    The VK-105PF2 engine, the main engine of the Soviet air force with water cooling, had a REAL resource of 200 hours.
  25. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 13 May 2014 15: 54
    +5
    1944 year. Night, Berlin street, lantern, pharmacy. Dim light flickers in the windows

    An impressive introduction ... It would be necessary to recall the Scythians, and so everything A. Blok wrote about wassat
  26. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 13 May 2014 16: 23
    +1
    Me-262 was almost helpless against piston planes ??? That's just the point that the Allies intercepted them during landing or take-off, because in the sky, to be honest, the allied aircraft had little chance of victory. One successful hit from the gun Me-262 was enough to incapacitate a bomber, about getting into planes for less and nothing to say — the 1 projectile would tear apart. It had an advantage in speed over allied aircraft at least 140 km / h. It was a formidable fighting vehicle, and if not Hitler’s amateurish decision to use It wouldn’t be sweet for everyone, including us, to use them as bombers. Horten stealth fighter ??? What place is this ??? He is primarily known for the first time a flying wing scheme was tested on it! there are a lot of interesting German cars — where is the Arado-234? Where is the Yu-287 with the wings of the reverse sweep? Where is the Nater rocket, if you correctly named it? In general, the question has not been properly resolved, solid — Kaptsov can still write sensible , although this far from always succeeds in him, for some reason it was impossible to to do so this time ???
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 14 May 2014 00: 04
      0
      Quote: Anton Gavrilov
      One successful hit from the Me-262 cannon was enough to disable the bomber, about getting into planes for less and say nothing-1 shell will tear apart

      Firstly, you first hit, and secondly, not one shell is needed. Although I will not argue, if the shell hits the gas tank, then of course. But this applies to all aircraft
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 14 May 2014 00: 12
        -1
        In fact, on the Me-262 there were 4 guns of 30 mm each. Separately, they did not hit, so that one volley from 4 barrels broke any bomb carrier
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 14 May 2014 00: 31
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          Separately, they did not hit, so that one volley from 4 barrels broke any bomb carrier

          Yes, it’s clear that 50 missiles hit any bomb carrier. But the conversation was about one shell
          And the bomb truck also shoots back ...
      2. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 24 May 2014 09: 46
        0
        One shot in the wing is enough to bring down a bomber.
  27. Well done
    Well done 13 May 2014 21: 03
    +1
    Even before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the cowardly Yankees thought about how to break through the ever-increasing air defense system of ships, without endangering the life and health of their pilots. I consider such statements simply meanness!
  28. Igor I.
    Igor I. 13 May 2014 21: 10
    -2
    Delusional article, demagogic conclusions ... a la Suvorov ...

    Leveling the achievements of some, extolling the merits of others - is this not propaganda? Then the question is: to whose, in fact, mill? And the next one: why did the allies put such "impressive" own developments under the carpet in order to take advantage of the trophies?

    Facts must be presented even objectively, and not through the prism of modern or personal worldviews - this is self-deception!
  29. Argon
    Argon 13 May 2014 21: 11
    +4
    Although I do not agree with the author in everything, in general I liked the tone of the article, I think this is one of the first swallows of a disclosing "Teutonic genius." nothing more than "technical offerism". For all those who disagree and recognize the superiority of the "German engineering school", I recommend looking through the entire "path" of the Ta-183 interceptor, from an idea in German drawings to an aircraft that actually flew (after the war, in Argentina). In addition, if you look closely, there will always be an equal analogue of every "German miracle" at the disposal of one of the coalition countries, which was not allowed into further development due to high risks and obviously low efficiency. And only the "superhumans" managed to start the reorganization of the Air Force (according to translation on jet vehicles) at the most critical (for the Reich) moment of the war.As a result, the Me-262 killed more of its own pilots and personnel than enemies.
    1. Santa Fe
      14 May 2014 00: 06
      0
      Quote: Argon
      all the "breakthrough" projects of the agonizing regime for the most part were nothing more than "technical offerism

      Quote: Argon
      if you look at it, there is always a peer-to-peer analogue of every "German miracle" at the disposal of some of the coalition countries, which was not allowed into further development due to high risks and obviously low efficiency

      Quote: Argon
      Me-262 killed more of its own pilots and those personnel than enemies.

      Well said
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 14 May 2014 00: 24
        -1
        Ie Oleg, do you consider the creation of the "Navotna detachment" hopeless?
        1. Santa Fe
          14 May 2014 01: 29
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          Ie Oleg, do you consider the creation of the "Navotna detachment" hopeless?

          Novotny was an ace and effectively fought on all types of aircraft. By the way, he was shot down in an air battle and died flying on a swallow
          As for his detachment - they were able to prevent (or at least reduce the intensity) of raids on the Reich?

          The M262 was too crude and primitive a machine to fight with the proven Tempest, La 7, Spitfire or Mustang - the pinnacle of piston aviation evolution
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 14 May 2014 01: 36
            0
            Of course you’re right, UNABLE. Ta-152 could very well be able to cope with this task.
          2. yehat
            yehat 15 May 2014 11: 39
            0
            you talk about the situation one-sidedly !!!
            The Germans had good enough aircraft to repel raids, for example, the FW-190D with the injection system + Ta-152, BUT was quite enough, BUT:
            1) the quantitative ratio was often 1: 5-10 in favor of the Allies, which reduced the ability of the ace to fly to almost zero. Fights often came down to landfills and head-on collisions.
            2) the Germans actually could not choose the place and time of the attack, often found themselves in a disadvantageous situation and were forced to bear losses.
            3) many experienced pilots died on the eastern front and many new recruits fought in the west, and for the Americans, most pilots, although they were not aces, had a large raid.

            in such conditions, it was impossible to fight successfully on equal vehicles and therefore projects like the me-262 were moving forward, which in speed and armament surpassed the main mass of allied fighters. I would like to note the project he-169 salamander.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 15 May 2014 12: 11
              0
              I will correct you He-162. This "people's fighter" was absolutely "raw". Faster, faster, I could not lead to anything good. Instability in flight and difficulty in piloting. Imagine how techies tried to curb this car? .Again, the problem with glue (the body is mostly wooden)
        2. yehat
          yehat 15 May 2014 12: 10
          +1
          Novotny’s squad is a thieves group of aces. They would be much more useful in educating and guiding beginners.
      2. Avenich
        Avenich 14 May 2014 12: 35
        +1
        And here is how the air gunner with IL-262 describes the battle with Me-2
        Usov Valentin Vladimirovich
        (109th Guardship, mechanic,
        air shooter)
        "Once I had to face the Me-262 ...
        We went penultimate in the ranks. I AM
        watched the lagging, reported to the commander.
        And suddenly lightning flashed - Me-262. Cut off
        he is lagging behind. I - shoot, but where there,
        he left. "

        Book: "I fought on the IL-2"
        1. Santa Fe
          14 May 2014 14: 56
          -2
          Quote: Avenich
          And suddenly lightning flashed - Me-262. Cut off
          he is lagging behind. I - shoot, but where there,
          he left. "

          But where does the Me-262
          This could do any fighter dispersed from a dive
          1. Avenich
            Avenich 15 May 2014 06: 38
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            But where does the Me-262

            ME-262 has nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with it. If you believe your words, he did not exist at all, but there were only Sanson comets. Kozhedub shot down ME-262 only due to the fact that he successfully emerged from the clouds and, like a great ace, immediately shot him down. The German never saw him. Similarly, he knocked down the Yankees, with the difference that he immediately got out of the attack and immediately knocked him down without a picket with a poster "Yankee get out". Do you generally read articles on this site or only promote your own?
            1. Santa Fe
              15 May 2014 08: 16
              0
              Quote: Avenich
              According to your words, he wasn’t at all,

              In general, it wasn’t, the car was small, cheese and primitive

              They didn’t play any role in the war. excellence - the British had the equally cool Gloucester Meteor
              Do you generally read articles on this site

              And then!
  30. Day 11
    Day 11 14 May 2014 11: 07
    -1
    And why no one will remember about "Pfeil" Do-335? Let it be a dead-end branch of development, but it deserves to be talked about
    1. Santa Fe
      14 May 2014 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: Den 11
      "Pfeil" Do-335? It may be a dead-end branch of development, but it deserves to be talked about

      Typical prodigy. whistle a lot - little sense, speed increase at 50 km / h - doubling the complexity of service

      The reason is the Reich’s inability to build an aircraft engine with power over 2000 hp.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 14 May 2014 15: 47
        0
        C'mon, the Jumo 213A with the MW-50 injection system was already delivering 2242hp thrust without injecting around 2050
        1. Santa Fe
          14 May 2014 22: 43
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          Jumo 213A with the injection system MW-50 already gave traction in 2242.s.Without injection of the order of 2050

          Double star PrattWhitney gave out 2500 without any injection

          PS I do not know about 2242. Jumo 213 empip had much less power ~ 1700-1800 hp With injection drove 2000
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 14 May 2014 17: 03
        -1
        And in the course that ejected seats were put there for the first time? The topic of a separate conversation
        1. Santa Fe
          14 May 2014 23: 04
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          first ejected seats were placed?

          Has anyone been able to use them?

          EMNIP the only crash Before335 was not without victims
  31. Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 14 May 2014 21: 28
    0
    "The general lag of Soviet industry behind the leading countries of the world, due to belated industrialization (for which special thanks to the tsarist regime)."

    Author! Do you even know what level the industry of the Russian Empire was before the Revolution? So by the way - "backward tsarist" Russia before WWI had the strongest air force, equipped with domestic aircraft. And the "advanced" revolutionary USSR for a long time could not build a single aircraft. And this is just one of many facts. After a revolution, a lost world war, occupation, civil war, the country CANNOT immediately use to the maximum the industry that it had BEFORE these events. We kindly ask you to use verified information, not stamps.
    1. Santa Fe
      14 May 2014 22: 54
      +2
      Quote: Blackgrifon
      equipped with domestic aircraft.

      with motors Argus and Renault

      Want to compare the fleet? Gangut with British Orion
      Or Ishmael with Nagato

      On Borodino battleships - everything from boilers to fire control systems - Western developments

      Russian cruiser Varyag was built in the USA. It would seem that there is nothing strange in this. The cruiser was ordered, paid for and built on time - where is the crime here?

      However, it is rarely mentioned that the second participant of the legendary battle at Chemulpo - the gunboat "Koreets" - was built at the Bergsund Mekaniksa shipyard in Sweden.

      Gentlemen, let me ask one question: Was anything built in the Russian Empire at the turn of the XIX-XX centuries?

      Armored cruiser "Svetlana", built in Le Havre, France;
      Armored cruiser "Admiral Kornilov" - Saint-Nazaire, France;
      Armored cruiser "Askold" - Kiel, Germany;
      Armored cruiser Boyarin - Copenhagen, Denmark;
      Armored cruiser "Bayan" - Toulon, France;
      Armored cruiser "Admiral Makarov", built at the shipyard "Forge & Chantier", France;
      Armored cruiser "Rurik", built at the Vickers shipyard in Barrow-in-Furness, England;
      Battleship Retvizan, built by William Cump & Sans, Philadelphia, USA;
      The battleship "Tsesarevich" - built in La Seyne-sur-Mer in France ..


      A series of destroyers "Kit" ("Vigilant"), built at the shipyard of Friedrich Schichau, Elbing, Germany;
      Series "Trout" ("Attentive"), built at A. Norman's plant in France;
      "Lieutenant Burakov" series - "Forge & Chantier" and Norman plant, France;
      The series of destroyers "Mechanical Engineer Zverev" - Shihau shipyard, Germany.

      The lead destroyers of the Rider and Sokol series were built in Germany and, accordingly, in Great Britain; destroyer "Pernov" - plant A. Norman, France; Batum - Yarrow shipyard in Glasgow, UK; "Adler" - Shihau shipyard, Germany ...
      Quote: Blackgrifon
      Use verified information, not cliches.

      Rotten through the tsarist regime lived on French loans and bought all the modern equipment abroad

      Deja vu?
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 14 May 2014 23: 21
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Rotten through the tsarist regime lived on French loans and bought all the modern equipment abroad


        Well, well :) But the good and wise communist regime didn’t buy anything and did everything himself - BT, T-26, engines for airplanes, most of the trucks. Do not confuse the purchase of equipment and the evidence of something rotting there. In addition, you are disingenuous - Nagato (battleship) project of 17 years, and Izmail (battle cruiser) 12 - these ships are not only of different classes, but also designed under the influence of various factors. And pay attention - the purchase of equipment at the turn of the end of XIX - beginning of XX was commonplace - Germany bought ships from England (for example).
        But an interesting indicator is the number of enterprises and production volumes in the 1913 and 1922 years.

        PS:
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Deja vu?

        What about Typhoons, Tigers? And then "Geleki", which you cited as an example, has always been considered an excellent car for security.
        1. Santa Fe
          15 May 2014 00: 48
          +3
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          And the good and wise communist regime didn’t buy anything and did everything itself.

          Naturally myself
          In their factories

          We bought only machines and technologies that, after studying, were adjusted to domestic conditions (Christie is not yet BT)

          Many of our own Soviet developments had no analogues in the world at all - there was no one to buy a titanium submarine or the Vostok spacecraft
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          Nagato (battleship) 17 project of the year, and Ishmael (battle cruiser) 12 -

          Battleship-battlecruiser - does not matter much, in the charters there was no prohibition on the battle between them, technically the difference was also not great

          despite the fact that Gangut and Empress Maria were a head weaker than all their peers - both LK and LKr

          Nagato agrees, that’s the difference 5 years, late
          Ishmael and Empress Mary are funny to compare with "Queen Elizabeth", this is where all the rot of the tsarist regime climbs out
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          But an interesting indicator is the number of enterprises and production volumes in the 1913 and 1922 years.

          Immediately after the World War and the Civil War
          Very interesting

          What about 1913 and 1939 metrics
          Or 1913 and 1961 - the scientific, industrial, economic, military level of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR against the background of other countries of the world
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          What about Typhoons, Tigers?

          Hammer’s domestic tribute (layout, style), which has no chance of entering the civilian market and is still a rare exotic in the army.
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          "Geleki", which you cited as an example, has always been considered an excellent security vehicle.

          As our President says, such a decision undermines the "spiritual bonds"

          make at least a copy of Cadillac - but with your nameplates and in your production

          "Great car for security" - does Obama's motorcade use this technique? Everything is domestic - "Obamamobil" based on the GM Kodiak truck and Chevrolet Tahoe jeeps for protection
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 15 May 2014 20: 43
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Many of our own Soviet developments had no analogues in the world at all - there was no one to buy a titanium submarine or the Vostok spacecraft


            Yes, only titanium vehicles and spacecraft appeared at the end, and not at the beginning of the twentieth century.

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Battleship-battlecruiser - does not matter much, in the charters there was no prohibition on the battle between them, technically the difference was also not great


            There is no ban for armored personnel carriers to chase tanks either.

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Ishmael and Empress Mary are funny to compare with "Queen Elizabeth", this is where all the rot of the tsarist regime climbs out


            And where is the "rot"? Russian ships were developed on the basis of proposals from Russian sailors for their DB theater. The British built for their own. "Queens" are generally the ancestors of the dreadnought subclass - superdreadnought. They have surpassed all similar ships.

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Or 1913 and 1961 - the scientific, industrial, economic, military level of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR against the background of other countries of the world

            And let's immediately compare 1721 and 1975 - for clarity. The result will be similar.

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            not having a chance to enter the civilian market and even in the army is still a rare exotic.

            1. Why is he in civilian life?
            2. Read the news - they are going to throw them on the market.
            3. At the storage bases they are.


            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            such a decision undermines the "spiritual bonds"

            Vindos is also not our OS, but nothing prevents us from using it.

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Obama uses a similar technique

            With all due respect to you, but this is not an argument - security guards. Officials in the United States generally do not particularly like to use armored vehicles for transporting fighters (supposedly this encourages drivers). Now m. it has changed, but not really.

            Quote: yehat
            The country was more rural than industrial.


            This is certainly yes, but not so deadly, given the opportunities that gradually opened up for the grasping and hard-working population. Bring Stolypin to the end of his reforms and if Mikhail was in power - industrialization would not be required - Russia would continue to be among the great powers without the GW and the "brain drain".
            By the way, the main reason for industrialization was not the desire to "catch up and overtake everyone", but the desire to reach at least the pre-revolutionary level of industry - the bulk of enterprises were based in the western part of the country and, accordingly, were either seized or destroyed.
            1. Santa Fe
              16 May 2014 00: 47
              +1
              Quote: Blackgrifon
              Yes, only titanium vehicles and spacecraft appeared at the end, and not at the beginning of the twentieth century.

              What am I talking about? Barely able to catch up with developed countries in terms of industry and those. development - thanks to the tsar-father for the completely remaining country and the need for emergency industrialization in the 30-ies.

              Otherwise, they could purge the Second World War, as they purged the First World War, the Russo-Japanese and Crimean Wars - clear evidence of the miserable condition of RI
              Quote: Blackgrifon
              There is no ban for armored personnel carriers to chase tanks either.

              "Ishmael" surpassed the Queens in displacement. The difference between LK and LKr was purely nominal - by the end of the 20s they generally merged into one class

              Moreover, the tsarist industry was unable to complete even the only Ishmael - guns and they had to be ordered in England
              Quote: Blackgrifon
              And where is the "rot"?

              compare Gangut and Empress Maria with foreign counterparts (Fuso, Queen Elizabeth) and be surprised again. About Izmail, and so everything is clear - could not be completed even taking into account the import of foreign equipment
              Quote: Blackgrifon
              Russian ships were developed on the basis of the proposals of Russian sailors for their database theater.

              Justification by Nothing
              В any of the possible situations royal battleships looked wretched against the background of their peers from Britain and Japan
              Quote: Blackgrifon
              They surpassed all similar ships.

              And then the Japanese surpassed everyone by building Nagato

              All developed countries overtook RI (there is no need to talk about revolution - even without revolution, the military-industrial complex of tsarist Russia did not have a single chance to build a ship equal to Queen or Nagato by the end of World War I - this was clearly shown by the epic with Gangut and Empress Maria in the pre-war era)
              1. Santa Fe
                16 May 2014 01: 08
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                Quote: Blackgrifon
                And let's immediately compare 1721 and 1975 - for clarity. The result will be similar.

                In both cases, a clogged backward country has SUDDENLY taken the rank of superpower - the result of steep reforms of the past years.
                "He raised Russia on its hind legs ..." (The Bronze Horseman, Pushkin)
                Quote: Blackgrifon
                Vindos is also not our OS, but nothing prevents us from using it.

                I myself am surprised - in the apartment there is not a single thing made in Russia

                Remember "Day of the Oprichnik" - banter in the style of a Russian epic of the 2025th century, carried over to XNUMX, with the addition of Chinese vocabulary. A terrible prophecy - what awaits the Russian Federation if we move further on the existing course. "Sichuan champagne, Kaohsiung sturgeon ... The sovereign is wise - he is friends with China!" Tin
                Quote: Blackgrifon
                This is of course yes, but not so deadly, given the opportunities that gradually opened up to a tenacious and hard-working population. Bring Stolypin to the end of his reforms and if Mikhail were in power - industrialization would not be required

                If tsarism at least cost something by the year 1917, he would not have allowed himself to be deposed by a handful of Bolsheviks, he would not have allowed to kill the royal family like a chicken.

                Hundreds of devoted people were not found in the whole Empire - who would try to save the king and his family. rotten through and through regime got everyone
    2. yehat
      yehat 15 May 2014 11: 23
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      Russia had a powerful economy - thanks to CELA reforms from Stolypin. But do not confuse a powerful economy and industrial production. Everything was rather sad there - the production of engines and cars was minimum, for the fleet - the lack of sufficient capacity and large shipyards, the total number of small industries and potential suppliers was not enough, the production of weapons for the army, gunpowder, gasoline and so on - everything was not enough. Before World War I, the production of the Russian Empire was clearly insufficient and lagging behind the pace of development of the empire. It is a fact. The country was more rural than industrial.
  32. yehat
    yehat 15 May 2014 11: 11
    +1
    A few comments on the discussions.
    1) Here they laughed at the comparison of Ishmael and Queen Elizabeth. I want to say something in defense of the Izmail project. For this ship, so advanced guns were made (before the First World War) that even in 1945, no ship in the world had a similar ballistic capability. Further. This ship was created for a specific theater - the Baltic and its analogue can serve only 1 English project, which was also created for that place - the Nelson series. They were better protected than Ishmael, but this is because they cost 3 times the price of an ordinary battleship. And the Americans tritely stole, like the Chinese, the Russian technology for the production of guns, and for the 2nd World War they built not according to English, but according to Russian technology.
    2) As for the Germans. I would like to say that they are greatly underestimated. They had huge breakthroughs. For example, in small arms mg34 (the first truly universal machine gun in the world), stg-44 (again the first in the world), mg-42 (the best mass universal machine gun from the time of 2 mv) well, etc. Not the most notable inventions, but very effective. Have you forgotten about the Faust cartridge? Yes, they could not do much in aviation, but I'm sorry, they were under sanctions before the war and could not do heavy aircraft at all, and many lighter prototypes had a dual purpose. At the same time, the Americans, in fact, before the war, the technologies for creating large transport aircraft (engines, materials, some developments, technological and production facilities) were already debugged.
  33. lexan
    lexan 17 May 2014 13: 40
    -1
    Only a person who does not know the history of science and technology can write about the weakness and backwardness of German scientists and engineers. Read at least "Results of the Second World War" by Tippelskirch. It came out in our mid-50s. There is a lot about their achievements and about the post-war robbery by the victors of Germany. The brains of Germany were pumped out, the patents were appropriated. Hundreds of thousands of patents. America reached the German level in ballistics of artillery pieces in 1968, according to their own data. All our European and American diesel submarines came out of German boats 21 and 23 series. The whole world constantly copied German samples, but he did not always succeed. German nuclear weapons. Now they begin to write that they had them. They tested it in Belarus in 1944, on the island of Rügen, and in the Atlantic ocean. They had uranium. From the Czech Republic, from Ukraine, whose coal contained uranium and was processed in Germany. There is already evidence that the Germans gave the Americans at least one uranium bomb. You probably know that in America they tested a plutonium bomb in Alamogordo, the same was dropped on Nagasaki ... Nobody has tested uranium. Nobody would have dropped "their" only uranium bomb on Japan without testing it. It cost 4 million dollars and was secret. This can only be explained by the fact that it has already been experienced by someone and somewhere. Before them. These facts are few that could be cited. But their darkness. They would be enough for a large book.
    1. Santa Fe
      17 May 2014 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: lexan
      America reached German level in ballistic artillery in 1968

      This is despite the fact that your last The Yankees built an artillery ship in the late 40's

      The USA is the only country where ships with 16-inch guns were massively built during the war. Apparently the Yankees understood something in artillery and machining

      Quote: lexan
      All of our European and American diesel submarines left the German 21 and 23 series boats.

      The Yankees practically did not build diesel-electric submarines after 1945 - they still have a giant fleet since the war. In the second half of the 50's, nuclear-powered ships went en masse
      Quote: lexan
      The whole world constantly copied German samples

      False
      Quote: lexan
      They had uranium. From the Czech Republic,

      And what's the point
      Gigantic isotope separation complexes and reactors for producing weapons-grade plutonium are needed - the Germans didn’t have either. Yes, and it could not be in principle - only Americans had the money and opportunities for such projects
      Quote: lexan
      There is already evidence that the Germans handed over at least one uranium bomb to the Americans

      No
      Everything at the level of tales, not confirmed by any facts
  34. BM-13
    BM-13 10 July 2014 23: 12
    +3
    Once again I was convinced that the "gloomy Teutonic genius" was not so brilliant.
  35. fan1945
    fan1945 29 July 2014 14: 57
    -2
    The article is frankly provocative - cause a discussion. What happened. The author even
    not particularly puzzled by examples and links. There are already several such articles.
    audience mood. Right. Urine them all ... Not Russian!
    Until recently it was difficult to expect such ... aggressiveness. There is no knowledge. There is no ability to analyze. There are memorized "chants" - Russia forward ... And complete rejection of the other
    opinions, knowledge.
    I would like to think that these are costs of age. We seem to be the same ...?
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