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The State Duma will offer Ukraine to exchange gas debts for the military-industrial complex

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The State Duma will offer Ukraine to exchange gas debts for the military-industrial complex



The State Duma proposed to consider the question of repaying Ukraine’s debt for gas by transferring to Russia the ownership of enterprises in the military-industrial complex (MIC) of the republic. This issue is supposed to be included in the agenda of negotiations with Ukraine, reports ITAR-TASS. Oksana Dmitrieva, deputy chairman of the lower house of the Russian parliament on budget and taxes, submitted such a request to the government.

Such a decision, according to Dmitrieva, would be beneficial to all parties. At present, military-technical cooperation between the two states is virtually collapsed. "For Russia, this is a guarantee of production and supplies, while saving budget funds, and for Ukraine it is not just paying off the debt - in such conditions it will be possible to negotiate a discount on further deliveries," she is sure. In addition, Kiev will be able to guarantee employees of enterprises employment, production, and tax revenues.

An important technical point is that the enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex basically have a state status, therefore it will be fairly easy to transfer them to the ownership of the Russian Federation. This proposal has already been supported by the head of the State Duma Committee on Energy, Ivan Grachev.
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  1. fvandaku
    fvandaku 1 May 2014 07: 38
    +13
    I agree, because I have long had doubts. Money is dumb. And with a black sheep even a shred of wool.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 1 May 2014 08: 19
      +8
      Bullshit! Are there any polite little men? There is. Let them take it like that (by and large, they are not needed — a month, another and the Southeast will go to Russia itself — who pays for it?). And for the debts and the pipe will not go badly.
      1. Nick
        Nick 1 May 2014 09: 02
        0
        Quote: SHILO
        Bullshit! Are there any polite little men?

        Why risk your life if you can borrow it? Anyway, Ukraine will not be able to pay with money IMHO ...
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 1 May 2014 09: 48
          0
          Quote: Nick
          Why risk your lives


          Yes, there is no risk of special-Chushkari only capable of blocking posts with unarmed youngsters to shoot and people to steal. Did they shoot a lot in Crimea?
        2. atalef
          atalef 1 May 2014 10: 02
          -2
          Quote: Nick
          why risk your life if you can borrow it? Anyway, Ukraine will not be able to pay with money IMHO ...

          But about IMHO - in vain.
          The Executive Board of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) approved a two-year stand-by agreement for two years for Ukraine in the amount of $ 17,01 billion. According to the IMF press service, the first tranche will be $ 3,19 billion and will be ready to pay immediately.

          and they give them such candy wrappers - as much as the soul desires - IMHO laughing
        3. Ross
          Ross 1 May 2014 12: 36
          +3
          Why risk your life if you can borrow it? Anyway, Ukraine will not be able to pay with money IMHO ...

          But do American owners need this? It was they who set the task of destroying the defense industry (to annoy Russia). All the nonsense that the junta is doing with its economy is the direct implementation of the instructions of the US State Department.
          Because everything is in the sand.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 1 May 2014 08: 34
      +6
      Why the heck do you need it? The main part of the military-industrial complex is located in the South-East, and it seems that soon, and so will go to the Russian Federation with the entire industry. Although ... Kiev seems to remain in the "non-deposit" for some time, and there "Antonov". Here it, perhaps, could be taken as payment. Well, the gas pipe is a sacred thing. Oh yes, you can also take the monuments to Bandera, Sagaidachny, and other heroes - by weight, at the price of scrap metal.
    3. VAF
      VAF 1 May 2014 12: 30
      +1
      Quote: fvandaku
      I agree ,


      Together with Dmitrieva and ... head against the wall ... it will be "more useful" for society !!! fool
  2. Name
    Name 1 May 2014 07: 39
    +25
    belay And to whom to offer such an exchange .. recourse ., those who are now in power ??, so it’s better to immediately contact the State Department, one h.r.e. Maydanuty themselves do not solve anything. repeat
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 1 May 2014 07: 43
      +7
      Quote: name
      And who should offer such an exchange ..., to those who are now in power ??,

      It’s not a secret for a long time - the EU and the USA ... Have a good morning! hi
      1. MBA78
        MBA78 1 May 2014 17: 05
        0
        EU will be for and against the United States - this will create another resonance in the relationship ... and the junta on the drum, she now needs only real grandmas
  3. ken
    ken 1 May 2014 07: 41
    +7
    Exchange and export to Russia !!!
  4. Polovec
    Polovec 1 May 2014 07: 41
    +11
    America is unlikely to give the go-ahead for this.
    Although for the unfortunate Ukraine this, of course, although inferior, is the way out.
    Again, an opportunity opens up for dialogue with Russia. They need to take advantage of this and at least in shares, accept the offer.
    It is only a pity that the Americans will forbid everything that at least somehow can really help the unfortunate Ukraine.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 1 May 2014 08: 01
      +2
      Quote: Polovec
      America is unlikely to give the go-ahead for this.

      They can and give)). To prolong the de-dollarization process.
    2. atalef
      atalef 1 May 2014 08: 58
      -4
      Quote: Polovec
      Although for the unfortunate Ukraine this, of course, although inferior, is the way out.

      this is not an option, and the defense industry will be more expensive than gas debts. Much more expensive.
      1. Nick
        Nick 1 May 2014 09: 05
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        The defense industry will be more expensive than gas debts. Much more expensive.

        Well, of course we’ll bargain ... Judging by the flag, you aren’t without a dead time, but already bargaining ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 May 2014 10: 00
          0
          Quote: Nick
          Well bargain of course

          Bargaining implies at least the consent of both parties to participate in it

          Quote: Nick
          Judging by the flag, you are not bargaining on, but are already bargaining ..

          Yes, you are the same. but already bought laughing
          1. VAF
            VAF 1 May 2014 12: 47
            -3
            Quote: atalef
            Bargaining implies at least the consent of both parties to participate in it


            And I generally offer ... GIFT wassat , but what..all "we give dozens of lards and debts." and here ... for family and friends wassat true for me they are .. these yatsenyukhovye are all fascists. well, for some ... "partners" belay

            And so ... immediately the rating will still rise .. on a global scale fellow

            I hate TNT with "our rush" .. but the more you hear about it .... conclusions .. and in fact a lot, very much is true ... including "pearl Sasha Borodach" ... to the question. so what to do with you is the answer "... Understand and ... forgive" wassat

            1. Finoll
              Finoll 1 May 2014 13: 47
              -1
              To whom we forgive us they don’t call.
    3. msd
      msd 1 May 2014 12: 55
      +1
      In addition, Kiev will be able to guarantee employees of enterprises employment, production volume, as well as tax revenues.

      These boobies blocked the water in Crimea (ready money) - and then give the military-industrial complex: foreigners will not allow hozyanva
      1. VAF
        VAF 1 May 2014 13: 15
        0
        Quote: msd
        These boobies blocked the water in Crimea


        Diligently "avoid the poignant moments" wink , so as not to put the great helmsman in an "uncomfortable and awkward position"? lol

        After all, they blocked it not in Crimea, but in One of the Subjects of the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, i.e. RUSSIA !!!

        And we have everything .. "partners." "We will not introduce retaliatory measures." "Let's wait," and so on. etc. request
        1. msd
          msd 1 May 2014 13: 31
          +1
          And we have everything .. "partners." "We will not introduce retaliatory measures." "Let's wait," and so on. etc.

          In-in ... and the people are still in thought - what is next ...?
          1. VAF
            VAF 1 May 2014 13: 43
            0
            Quote: msd
            In-in ... and the people are still in thought - what is next ...?


            And the people ... in the field drinks Ah! more ... here is the latest news on the tape 24 hours - fuel costs more by 10% am ... for me it is already coming ... "" ..... so soon I will leave once a month crying
  5. Prokop
    Prokop 1 May 2014 07: 45
    +26
    The organizers will refuse 100% of this offer. They are imprisoned under wrecking, the main goal of harming Russia, even at the cost of suicide of Ukraine.
    1. Ace in the sleeve
      Ace in the sleeve 1 May 2014 09: 42
      +3
      The organizers will refuse 100% of this offer. They are imprisoned under wrecking, the main goal of harming Russia, even at the cost of suicide of Ukraine


      I think they will do it differently. No wonder they began to count the Crimean property. They will count 100 lards and write off their own Russian debts and also leave Russia indebted. On this basis, slander will be scribbled about the arrest of Russian property abroad, gas will be stolen from the pipe to pay off "debts", etc.

      And the fact of the State Duma’s proposal on the military-industrial complex suggests that Russia is not ready to lose these plants, and the question is really vital, whatever they say from the stands that everything is already being produced in Russia. The localization of these industries will cost tens of billions plus construction time. Plus cadres - it was not without reason that Putin announced that Russia was ready to receive specialists from the Ukrainian military-industrial complex in Russia. Really sharp question.
      1. VAF
        VAF 1 May 2014 12: 36
        0
        Quote: Ace in the sleeve
        I think


        Very competently .. very .. just wanted to get in, and you got ahead .. but you got better .. t.k. you are all polite .. and I only get through ... three letters it turns out !!!

        We just need to add some more. that they will "put us in a seafood position" and we will supply gas for a long time .. for free !!!
  6. alexng
    alexng 1 May 2014 07: 45
    +9
    So, then after the sale they will sabotage the work of the military-industrial complex. This has already happened more than once with Russian business in Ukraine. No faith whatsoever. Only the guillotine can solve the problem, i.e. division into two parts of this temporary geopolitical formation.
    1. Nick
      Nick 1 May 2014 09: 08
      0
      Quote: alexneg
      division into two parts of this temporary geopolitical formation.

      This is also an option, but it may be more expensive ...
    2. VAF
      VAF 1 May 2014 12: 41
      +2
      Quote: alexneg
      So, then after the sale they will sabotage the defense industry


      Alexander Ivanovich. Dear drinks let no one sabotage anything. as well as selling ... since the Ukrainian military-industrial complex as such is needed only by us, and by the Yaytsenyukhogolov and others, it’s generally the fifth wheel in the cart ... the West and the Americans will give them everything.
      And the West is all the more unnecessary (specialists and documentation on the necessary things will be dragged or taken) .. and the people .. yes they put people from a large bell tower.
      They have completely different plans.
      But not everyone understands this, unfortunately, everyone is playing "partners ..." wassat
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 1 May 2014 07: 48
    +8
    Ooh! I present the headlines of our media! "This is the true goal of Russia! Capture our military-industrial complex! Robber!" laughing But in principle, this is possible ...
    In the Ukrainian information space, they began to voice the idea of ​​"expelling Donbass" from Ukraine
    “The idea of ​​not leaving Donbass on the basis of its referendum, but of the shameful exile of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions at an all-Ukrainian referendum, we can say, has taken over the masses. Talk to anyone - everyone says: get out! ”, The Khvlya portal writes. The author believes that Donetsk and Lugansk are unprofitable, that in these areas there is nothing that would be vital for the rest of Ukraine.

    “The situation in the Donbass is more complicated than the picture shown by Ukrainian TV channels,” writes Kiev expert Sergey Vysotsky at LigaBusinessInform. - Women, activists and taxi drivers, who roam the Rovenky in search of Bandera, and passive police, who go out of the way to Ukrainian troops, are all realities. Politically and economically, the risk of mass protests in the Donbass will only increase. The new authorities in the region do not have an advance of trust, the Maidan is evil in the eyes of the majority of Donetsk and Lugansk residents, which means that it will be his fault ”.

    The expert, like many of his colleagues in Kiev, suggests that perhaps Ukraine should let go of the Donbass. “Any liberal reforms associated with the closure of unprofitable mines and factories related to the revision of social guarantees will be impossible if the goal of Kiev is to unconditionally retain Donbass as part of Ukraine,” he writes. - Moscow will definitely take advantage of the social explosion in the region. A poorer Donbass will be a source of votes for populist and anti-European parties supported by the local oligarchy. ”

    Saving the East, Ukraine risks losing the West, the respectable Kiev newspaper Zerkalo Nedeki echoes. “It was not Ukraine who wanted to be different - it was Lviv who wanted it to be different,” the author of the publication explains. According to him, it was the Lvovites who came to Kiev and staged the Maidan, and now, as a revolution motor, they can pump rights. But the East "does not recognize our power" and the "parade of separatism" that is now being observed is the revenge of the East.

    “If they tell me that the Donbass does not support the separatists, then I will ask: where is the Donbass for Ukraine? - asks the author of the article, a native of Lviv. - Where are the rectors, where is the profession, where are the writers, where are the journalists, where are the artists, where are the students, where are the party cells? Where are all those who in Lviv would have long been lying under the tracks of tanks coordinated in a few hours on Facebook? ” It’s better to let go of the Donbass and “build Europe in Ukraine” than to “go to the bottom” with it, the author believes.
    XXXX
    And the entire military-industrial complex is the South-East of Ukraine !!! wassat
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 1 May 2014 08: 12
      +12
      Shamefully expel? Exile me shamefully please? laughing With the whole Southeast.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 1 May 2014 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      In the Ukrainian information space, they began to voice the idea of ​​"expelling Donbass" from Ukraine

      I don’t even know what to say about this.
      What next nonsense will be voiced?
      All that has been done is everything for the collapse of the country, the destruction of national foundations, the attempt to simply bury industry, and now also the voluntary collapse of the country ............
      Why does God give brains ?????????????????
  8. visitor
    visitor 1 May 2014 07: 56
    +4
    Who wants to propose this to the State Duma? There is no legitimate authority in Kiev or I missed something
  9. dFG
    dFG 1 May 2014 07: 57
    +5
    I think the idea is unsuccessful ... nothing good will come of those factories even if the Russian Federation redeems / exchanges, then each time new Julia or Turchinov will impede their work, not to mention the fact that all technologies will be available to at least a third party, in vain in the SBU they gave the whole floor to the Americans ..... so the Russian Federation develop all these industries at home, invest money in your workplaces and pay your citizens a salary ... something like that
  10. mamont5
    mamont5 1 May 2014 08: 01
    0
    Yes, that would be nice and beneficial for both Russia and Ukraine. But this requires non-interference in the affairs of Ukraine by the EU, and especially the United States, and an adequate, allied (or at least neutral) Russian government of Ukraine. And so all is well.
    In the meantime, Ukraine is raising the price of gas for domestic consumers, so to speak, a surprise for May 1.

    "Ukraine raises gas prices to get a loan from the IMF

    New gas tariffs for the population of Ukraine come into effect on May 1. Residents of the country will pay for gas on average 56% more, and this is only the first stage of price increases. Energy expert Sergei Pikin told RT that Kiev took such a step in connection with its obligations to the IMF to bring tariffs to an economically feasible level. According to the expert, the rise in prices will seriously affect those Ukrainians who use gas heating. "
    http://russian.rt.com/article/30107
  11. spec-80
    spec-80 1 May 2014 08: 02
    0
    the idea is not bad. but with this agreement we recognize the junta as legitimate. We should not talk to them. And it’s too early.
  12. Army strong
    Army strong 1 May 2014 08: 02
    +6
    And what the hell are we supposed to pay with maydanuty? The South-East is almost ours already, we need to take these enterprises, all the same, Ukraine does not need them, and let the people pay the debts for gas.
    1. saag
      saag 1 May 2014 08: 10
      +4
      the key city on this map is Dnepropetrovsk, eliminating the obstacle in it everything will go at a fast pace
    2. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 1 May 2014 09: 30
      +2
      Well, what is the Ukrainian District ... ??? And after 15 years when the children of maydauns grow up, again Maidan-2030 and again share, help, save ???
      Not. Only take everything, to the borders of the USSR and 30 years, a moratorium on political activity. Politicians - to the machine and to the fields to remember where the bread and butter comes from! good
  13. i80186
    i80186 1 May 2014 08: 03
    +1
    Well, coke and high-alloy steels are probably much more important to us than everything else. I'm afraid no one will give it up for any gas. For example, Azovstal.
  14. Semenov
    Semenov 1 May 2014 08: 03
    +2
    Why should the enterprises of the military-industrial complex be exchanged for gas debts if they soon come to Russia themselves as part of New Russia.
  15. kmike
    kmike 1 May 2014 08: 07
    +3
    I think we need to wait and Ukraine will be almost our full ally, and then the Ukrainian people will again become a fraternal republic.
  16. I am Russian
    I am Russian 1 May 2014 08: 09
    +3
    Pin Dos dump everything on Europe
    US State Department accuses EU of crisis in Ukraine
    1. Name
      Name 1 May 2014 08: 30
      +1
      Blaming everyone, but not recognizing their involvement, as is customary for the United States, ... but not on time; in the EU, and so on, a split over sanctions against Russia. With their accusations, the Americans can revise something of the Europeans in relations with Russia.
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 1 May 2014 20: 19
      0
      And again this notorious "someone" and "here and there." And they are not to blame for the heartburn from the Nuland cookies.
  17. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 1 May 2014 08: 14
    +1
    from a normal point of view - this is logical. BUT DO NOT RIDE. KIEV WILL REFUSE FROM THE PRINCIPLE
  18. KALININGRAD
    KALININGRAD 1 May 2014 08: 17
    -1
    Why reveal the cards?
  19. shelva
    shelva 1 May 2014 08: 19
    0
    If only this would not hurt our defenses. Surely all such enterprises in Ukraine are now controlled by Americans.
  20. PRN
    PRN 1 May 2014 08: 20
    +1
    It is better to exchange for the territory (Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Kherson and Nikolaev regions).
  21. Giant thought
    Giant thought 1 May 2014 08: 26
    +1
    Reasonable offer. The ball is now on the Ukrainian side, let it be thought, scratching the back of the head.
  22. aud13
    aud13 1 May 2014 08: 26
    0
    Good move ...
    They certainly will not give anything back.
    Because, firstly, they have already taken and burned the gas, that is, it does not exist physically, but there are enterprises. Well, and secondly, who will allow them something. The owner from across the ocean will say sit and will sit.
    But then, when Russia begins to do the Ukrainian substitution, then much of this Ukrainian defense industry will certainly arise and will have to explain to the workers of these enterprises why they did not give Russia away. Again, the payment of taxes and other related matters, such as education, will also be negatively affected by a drop in production.
  23. uzer 13
    uzer 13 1 May 2014 08: 27
    +5
    As long as Ukraine has no legitimate authority, it makes no sense to discuss this issue. For some reason, nobody wants to understand simple things - these objects of the military-industrial complex are located on the territory of a hostile state and there is no prospect of improving relations. The State Duma is generally distinguished by original thinking on the verge of an inadequate state.
  24. Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 1 May 2014 08: 28
    +1
    Ukraine does not agree, but sorry. Then it would be possible to formally send troops to protect their property. smile
  25. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 1 May 2014 08: 28
    +3
    So that the Americans would allow their military-industrial complex to work, and even for Russia? Choke on!
  26. redka
    redka 1 May 2014 08: 33
    +5
    The new authorities, the USA and the EU are guilty of this.
  27. Signaller
    Signaller 1 May 2014 08: 36
    +1
    Well, the Duma and the DUMA. Let him think. I think no one from Russia will refuse such an offer. And what did Ukraine say for two. And so wait and see.
  28. I am Russian
    I am Russian 1 May 2014 08: 38
    +1
    Kiev is silent, silent and will remain silent, will not answer the Southeast!
    ************************************************** ******************
    "What a day, fanfare silence,
    Glorifies poly-thoughtless thought. "
    author: Alexander Arkadevich Galich
    ***
    Great Mother Russia !!!
    Slavs - Great Nation!
    ***
  29. I am Russian
    I am Russian 1 May 2014 08: 51
    +1
    Since February 21, 2014 there is NO such country Ukraine!
    Many did not understand this and do not want to accept it, but it is reality!
    ***
    Kiev will never make concessions to the Southeast!
    There will be a branch and created "NovoRussia" or "People's Union of the South-East of Ukraine"!
    The leaders gathered in Yevpatoriya on April 30, a decision on many issues has been made,
    waiting for their results, Oleg Tsarev was appointed Leader.
    Oleg Tsarev - interview to the TV channel "Russia 24" 30 04 2014

  30. Turk
    Turk 1 May 2014 09: 08
    +1
    Quote: fvandaku
    I agree, because I have long had doubts. Money is dumb. And with a black sheep even a shred of wool.

    Well, they seemed to be promised a little money. That infa passed * The Executive Board of the International Monetary Fund approved a two-year lending program for Ukraine in the amount of $ 17,01 billion, according to UNIAN. The first tranche will amount to 3,19 billion dollars and will be transferred in the very near future. Two billion dollars of this amount will be used to eliminate the budget deficit *
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 1 May 2014 20: 22
      0
      Nu-nu. Another "Dynamo Kiev" dynamo, I think. Wait and see.
  31. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 1 May 2014 09: 12
    +4
    Not the smartest proposal of our State Duma.
    We need to raise our defense industry ... to give work to our workers and engineers ...
    And enterprises in Ukraine ... these are continuous problems and tasks ... and even constant dependence on the mood of the local authorities.
  32. sv68
    sv68 1 May 2014 09: 14
    +1
    Well, this thought was just kidding, and so the whole ukroina will soon become part of Russia, but on debt it seems like there was infa that the IMF gives ukroin three billion urgently so that ukroina does not crumble like a house of cards
  33. 128mgb
    128mgb 1 May 2014 09: 20
    +2
    The State Duma will offer Ukraine to exchange gas debts for the military-industrial complex
    What's the point? Another Maidan and the military-industrial complex nationalize.
  34. Pupon63
    Pupon63 1 May 2014 09: 37
    +1
    Under the current government in Ukraine, this will never happen! Rather, the Communists will come to power in the United States, while Israel and Palestine will live in peace and harmony! Yes, and the US military-industrial complex of Ukraine is not needed! That ruin it all is Yeah! winked
  35. kelevra
    kelevra 1 May 2014 10: 37
    0
    Or maybe still knock out these 3,5 billion dollars for gas supplied, and help our children suffering from cancer and waiting for two or three million rubles for surgery for several years!
  36. blackberry
    blackberry 1 May 2014 11: 54
    0
    This is not an offer. This is the message. Not to the acting of the overthrown government, but to the people's elected deputies, who are still legitimate and can explain this to their voters. Therefore, the deputies should also voice them. And throughout the text there is a real message in the words "exchange for gas debts."
    That is, the conditionally neutral / doubting / unpaid-by-euro-business part of the population, conjured for years "the entire treasury goes for gas", got a chance to end the war without having to swear allegiance to Russia or Europe. You can transfer the problem to the economic plane - they say, we will continue to respect and value Europe, money is money, you cannot offer such conditions, we understand that you also have your own difficulties and difficulties, thanks to the IMF and Canada, but you will have to pay interest , and give the main debt. And here they offer a full write-off. Would you refuse? It’s interesting for me to see how the Europeans can justify the need for refusal. Well, it is clear that the ownership of military-industrial complex plants on unfriendly territory is not of interest - they already cooperated, if Russia offered. It is about returning to neutrality and non-deployment of NATO.
  37. Balanar1986
    Balanar1986 1 May 2014 12: 33
    -1
    It would be, by the way, really nice to do that, for the Nikolaev shipyards and the Zaporizhzhya plants would be very useful to us. But Kharkov HBTM with his cult A.A. I wouldn’t let Morozov to the distance of a howitzer shot to our tank military-industrial complex ...
  38. Sergey Eagle
    Sergey Eagle 1 May 2014 14: 37
    0
    With guarantees in the issue of the military-industrial complex, the big question. The whole history of relations in the political arena with Ukraine indicates a lack of desire on their part to fulfill at least some obligations.
  39. Everest2014
    Everest2014 2 May 2014 12: 16
    0