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The source of our space failures is intangible.


The statement by the US State Space Agency about the winding up of bilateral space cooperation once again aroused interest in the national space program. The NASA initiative is another reason to recall the shameful, but not yet broken, chain of emergency years in the industry and think about our attitude to space activities in general. So far, success in mastering the big heights of optimism does not cause.

Manned flights traditionally are a priority space direction of the former USSR and modern Russia. The ISS is a domestic space "all", which takes the lion's share of the corresponding line of the national budget.

ISS is our everything

Roscosmos has always advocated the extension of the service life of this unique international long-term orbital complex, recalling the diversified scientific program and taking pride in the growing Russian-American science and technology ties.

Unclaimed heightThe apotheosis of the rainbow picture of this interaction can be considered after Albert Gore's new year proposal to award the station the Nobel Peace Prize for the current year. His own Nobel laureate in the field of world peace for 2007 year and the memory of his joint statement with Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin in September 1993, which gave the start of the ISS program, seemed to Gore as a worthy basis for such an initiative.

Meanwhile, even a brief acquaintance with the documents governing the procedure and procedure for awarding the Nobel Prize suggests that this idea is contrary to common sense.

The Nobel Peace Prize is an award annually awarded by the Nobel Committee in Oslo to individuals and organizations that, in the opinion of the committee, made outstanding contributions in the field of peace consolidation.

The station is strictly divided into national segments. Russia manages the ISS from the Space Flight Control Center in the Korolev near Moscow. America is from the Lyndon Johnson Mission Control Center in Houston. The European Laboratory Module Columbus is managed by the European Space Agency Management Center, housed in the German Oberpfaffenhofen. Japan runs its Kibo research module from the city of Tsukuba, where their Aerospace Exploration Agency is located.

To estimate the share of contribution to the common cause of each is unrealistic. Even a short list to jot down is not possible. If we talk about the developers of the station modules, then we have five of them, the Americans have seven. One by one - the Europeans with the Japanese. By the way, unlike the Americans, we still have not completed our segment. The multipurpose laboratory module "Science" has already passed without one year 20 years from the date of the start of development and full 10 years from the date of the decision to include in the domestic segment of the ISS. According to information received from the head of Roscosmos Oleg Ostapenko, "Science" will remain on the ground for at least another year.

No special role of the ISS in strengthening peace has played and does not play. It is clear that the absurd proposal of Gore did not translate into a formal application to the Nobel Committee.

Nevertheless, Roskosmos appealed to the Russian Academy of Sciences with a request to support this proposal. The Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences accepted the proposal with a bang. At the same time, Academician Lev Matveevich Zeleny, the permanent director of the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, noted that the ISS has been exceptionally successful for 16 years. The experience of the station Green was compared with the construction of the Tower of Babel in space, when the builders did not quarrel with each other, but successfully exploited this tower.

Swearing between the crews really has not yet been observed, as, incidentally, the special warmth in the relationship.

Academician Lev Matveyevich Zeleniy never really complained about manned cosmonautics, preferred automatic research equipment. Less than a week before this meeting of the presidium, he publicly said that it is the person, and not the devices created by him, that are inherent in discovering everything himself, and cited extreme tourism as an example. Flying into space, according to Green, is another area for people to test its capabilities, otherwise life on Earth will become boring.

From the point of view of science, Academician Green assesses the results of manned cosmonautics as modest, although he admits that the ISS has given a great deal to practical, terrestrial medicine. Of course, there is a certain problem with the introduction of various tools, simulators, simulators developed on the ISS, but, as noted by Green, implementation is our common problem not only in this area. Many scientific innovations remain "in the portfolio."

The above is not enough to qualify for a serious reward.

Now let us turn to the ISS practice evaluations.

In May 2008, the deputy head of the RSC Energia flight and space center, Pavel Vinogradov, said: “The ISS, in terms of the scientific problems solved on it, unfortunately does not justify itself. We are constantly late with the scientific program. Today, a crew of three people can do some kind of science, can fully work at the station, but when a crew of six people appears at the station, the task will be how to load them. Scientific research is built in such a way that we must always be ahead of the possibilities of delivering scientific experiments aboard, and we are constantly lagging behind ... Today, we mostly fly in order to fly or provide our American and other partners. ”

In January, Academician Nikolai Anfimov, one of the leading domestic developers of space transportation systems, who headed 2009 through 2000, was the leading enterprise of the national space industry, the Central Research Institute of Mechanical Engineering, at the 2008 percent in January.

In March, 2009, the first crew of six arrived on the ISS.

June 2011 of the year. Gennady Raikunov, academician of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics, developer of civil and military space systems, general director of TsNIIMASH from 2008 to 2013, says that the capabilities of the ISS are at the limit. “We need to think about something more significant and significant,” says Raikunov. “For the time being, we are theoretically considering the use of a natural satellite, the Moon, as a satellite, on which much more experiments can be carried out.”

March this year. Oleg Ostapenko, the current head of Roscosmos, who is directly responsible for the activities of the ISS, argues that the results of experiments conducted by Russian scientists at the orbital station, in particular the Plasma Crystal, are worthy of the Nobel Prize. At the same time, the head of Roscosmos stipulates that the ISS were often carried out work that is ineffective for science, in connection with which the Russian scientific program is now seriously revised.

Translated into normal Russian, this means that the strength of the scientific weight of the station practically does not put pressure on the support of fundamental scientific knowledge. In other words - tends to zero.

Itching reformation

The main reason for which Roskosmos and the Russian Academy of Sciences warmly responded to the obviously dubious proposal of Gore is that our cosmonautics in the person of its piloted part strongly inherited Soviet traditions, when they did not spare any promotional money for this promotional toy. To the detriment of all other directions.

The situation has not changed for decades. Yuri Koptev, who headed the Russian space agency from 1999 to 2004 for a year, somehow mentioned that space science remained on Earth again for the sake of the ISS. Ten years after this statement, little has changed. And in 2014, Lev Zeleny, the head of the RAS Council on Space, can only tell about plans, but not about results, because there are none.

Americans from the beginning of last year launched the 23 satellite exclusively for scientific purposes. We are only Chibis-M and Spectr-R. The first one, the microsatellite launched in January of 2012, is intended primarily for research of gamma-radiation. The second is a truly powerful space observatory, launched into space in July 2012.

Already by the beginning of 2012, Roscosmos had two accidents that had undermined not only Russian prestige, but also the ISS program and deep-space research. In August, 2011 is the emergency launch of pride means of launching a Soyuz launch vehicle with a Progress transport vehicle with cargoes for the ISS. In January, 2012-i burned in the atmosphere after the unsuccessful separation from the carrier station "Phobos-Grunt".

Dmitry Rogozin at the end of 2012’s spring gave Roscosmos a formidable ultimatum: either during June 2012, they clearly formulate a constructive program of their activities, or they will have to decide the fate of the agencies and the programs and, accordingly, the people who will lead them. Rogozin stressed: "We want Roscosmos to determine exactly how it can be useful to the country."

Roscosmos responded with a proposal to create a special presidential council on space and significantly increase the staff of the agency itself.

As for the space tasks directly, in April 2012 of the year Roscosmos formed the program “Strategy for the development of space activities up to 2030 of the year”. It provides for the creation of a new variety of technology - both manned and automatic. As well as the development of various technologies, the expansion of the "space services" complex and, of course, astronaut flights to the moon, the deployment of stations on Mars, the study of Venus and Jupiter. By 2030, Russian spacecraft are obliged to meet the needs of the socio-economic sphere, science and defense, up to 95 percent instead of 40 in 2011.

The problematic aspects, which in the hardware could turn out to be unsuccessful and emergency, simply disappeared. Obviously fearing a repetition of the resonance crash of the Phobos-Grunt apparatus, space managers decided to close 15 programs for exploring the planets of the solar system. That is, in response to the ultimatum, the development of new office space and plans were proposed, the responsibility for the execution of which will fall on the grandchildren.

“The United Rocket and Space Corporation is registered. We are embarking on a large-scale reform of the national cosmonautics, ”Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the Russian military-industrial complex and space, said in his twitter in early March this year.

According to the text of the presidential decree, the corporation will be engaged in ensuring the development, production, testing, supply, modernization, implementation, maintenance, warranty and after-sales service, repair of military rocket and space technology, dual, scientific and socio-economic purposes in the interests of government and other customers, including foreign ones. In addition, ORKK is obliged to pursue a unified technical policy in the creation of modern space equipment. Roskosmos, formerly the sole head of the industry, will determine the state policy in the rocket and space industry and act as a customer.

Of course, it is important and necessary to separate the functions of the customer and the contractor. But it is not necessary to begin with this. Recently, the director of the corporation, Igor Komarov, who had served as deputy head of Roskosmos for several months before that post, and until then had been in command of AvtoVAZ for many years, said that the formation of United Rocket and Space Corporation will be completed in the middle of 2015. Based on the historical experience and the very amount of work on the incorporation of all enterprises with the subsequent procedure of transferring them to ORKK within such a short timeframe, it is unlikely that they will succeed.

The only reform that still awaits us is a grand bureaucratic move. It would be much more productive to start simply re-equipping enterprises within the framework of the already existing subordination. Today, according to various estimates, more than 70 percent of technologies that meet the needs of production, are physically and morally obsolete. Half of the machine park is 100% worn out, and the average age of workers in the defense-space sphere is approaching 60 years.

We are pushing the ISS for a premium, we are going to build hotels in orbit and roll tourists around the moon, but at the same time we have no assurance that with ORKK the number of our scientific devices will become double-digit. It remains to hope that someone from the new cabinets will see that the source of our space failures is immaterial, that they are not machines, avionics and rocket stages with a bad welder. The point is in our attitude to what we produce. We just need to break persistent traditions based on inert thinking and focused on momentary ringing success with the indispensable assurance of our leadership.
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  1. boozer
    boozer 1 May 2014 19: 05
    +38
    All this is good, space hotels, space tourists. But at the moment I am interested in two things: 1. View of the Crimea from space ?; and 2. Is the resolution of the images of the location of the troops of the Kiev junta good? soldier
    1. V1451145
      V1451145 1 May 2014 19: 14
      +18
      Believe me good wink
      1. f.lourens
        f.lourens 1 May 2014 20: 13
        +4
        I'd love to take a look .. well, with just one peek from space on the troops of the Kiev junta repeat
        1. Mih
          Mih 1 May 2014 22: 08
          +3
          You can take a look only through a small scope. lol
        2. Validator
          Validator 1 May 2014 23: 25
          +3
          Quote: f.lourens
          I'd love to take a look .. well, with just one peek from space on the troops of the Kiev junta repeat

          Well, for example
      2. Duke
        Duke 2 May 2014 00: 28
        +1
        Quote: V1451145
        View of Crimea from space?
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    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 May 2014 19: 15
      +8
      Quote: boozer
      All this is good, space hotels, space tourists. But at the moment I am interested in two things: 1. View of the Crimea from space ?; and 2. Is the resolution of the images of the location of the troops of the Kiev junta good? soldier

      Well, I do not agree (+ set) Russia has always set itself global tasks! Space is one of the main and main (albeit very expensive) Everything should be decided there .. (who is cooler on the planet)
      1. ty60
        ty60 1 May 2014 22: 13
        +6
        The only plus was the device in the form of an increase in cabinets. For Serdyukov and their relatives. We have extremely low efficiency of ANY investments, the performance is slowed down by saving on the tool and components, because there is no criterion: price-quality, there is only price. Theft and okata. Professionals should lead high-tech areas and not managers effective in stool construction. I would like to see the list of managers.
    4. Horde
      Horde 1 May 2014 19: 23
      -8
      it is necessary to divide the station, let everyone take their own and tablecloth road ...
      1. f.lourens
        f.lourens 1 May 2014 20: 14
        +13
        If you divide the station Khan .. The Russian module corrects the orbit of the station without it, it will burn in dense layers of the atmosphere hi
        1. Horde
          Horde 1 May 2014 21: 14
          +1
          Quote: f.lourens
          If you divide the station Khan .. The Russian module corrects the orbit of the station without it, it will burn in dense layers of the atmosphere

          there will be a station MIR2
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 1 May 2014 22: 10
            +1
            Quote: Horde
            Quote: f.lourens
            If you divide the station Khan .. The Russian module corrects the orbit of the station without it, it will burn in dense layers of the atmosphere

            there will be a station MIR2

            There will be a station "Kara Heavenly".
        2. clidon
          clidon 1 May 2014 22: 02
          0
          What kind of Russian module are you talking about?
      2. sv68
        sv68 1 May 2014 21: 29
        +1
        and how you my friend will share it if foreign equipment is also present on our modules, explain do not be lazy
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 1 May 2014 22: 11
          +1
          Quote: sv68
          and how you my friend will share it if foreign equipment is also present on our modules, explain do not be lazy

          Probably sawed with a hacksaw, or as Papandopulo from Odessa ("Wedding in Robin") shared junk. smile
        2. Mih
          Mih 1 May 2014 22: 13
          +4
          When China landed an AWACS Air Force Americans’ airplane on its territory, it was with satisfaction that 90% of the components were manufactured in China.
        3. Horde
          Horde 1 May 2014 22: 36
          +1
          Quote: sv68
          and how you my friend will share it if foreign equipment is also present on our modules, explain do not be lazy


          Do you propose introducing borders and putting customs at the station? our part of the station is decent and can exist autonomously



          By the way, our part is even more ZARYA module for some reason painted in Amer color ...
          1. clidon
            clidon 1 May 2014 22: 44
            0
            Without a command module?
          2. kuzia-roker
            kuzia-roker 2 May 2014 04: 59
            +1
            all the same, it seems to me that the space program is far from politics and, despite the odds, it will survive
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 2 May 2014 05: 16
              0
              Let's hope that the mind wins.
      3. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes 1 May 2014 22: 28
        +1
        And a kayuk to everyone who does not appear in the Russian segment of the station.
      4. DimychDV
        DimychDV 1 May 2014 23: 20
        +5
        Yes you again about the same, dragging the general. How would I be a king of Buva - I would fat fat, sleeping in the fat ... and then I would steal a hundred rubles, and a duck ...
        The problem is that EVERY official comes from such approaches. And he will rot and sweep away (and has all rights) EACH specialist who will prevent him from doing this.
        Do you know when it all started? When, under Khrushchev, a labor assessment was introduced not by the end result, but by the password-review: Plan for the shaft - The shaft according to the plan.
        In our country, S THER POR, it is not rocket launches that are evaluated, but the amount of funds used. Stalin asked from his subordinates the numbers of the released equipment. And here even Putin speaks of "the volume of capital investment." This is - you know what? When asphalt is laid on a wet road. When the gym, the floors are covered with expensive bakelite plywood over the damp subfloor. And they report on the amount of funds used. In millions. And a year later - overhaul again!
      5. Bayonet
        Bayonet 2 May 2014 05: 14
        0
        Why is there a station, then it’s better to split the Earth! Half OUR - half NOT OUR. And everyone will be happy, but maybe it will be boring - there is no one to get involved with.
        1. clidon
          clidon 2 May 2014 08: 05
          0
          We’ll have a quarter.
    5. Lukich
      Lukich 1 May 2014 19: 40
      +11
      Quote: boozer
      All this is good, space hotels, space tourists. But at the moment I am interested in two things: 1. View of the Crimea from space ?; and 2. Is the resolution of the images of the location of the troops of the Kiev junta good?

      you can add item 3. junta flight route
    6. Thompson
      Thompson 1 May 2014 21: 27
      +2
      And at the moment I am more interested in the defense-strategic state of our East Kazakhstan region! The rest is attached and secondary!
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  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 May 2014 19: 05
    +17
    We just need to break persistent traditions based on inert thinking and focused on momentary resounding success with an indispensable assurance of our leadership.
    Yes, everything needs to be broken according to the idea .. We are sitting on the foundation of the USSR! A jerk is needed ..! And with such a government (the same people) it can turn out like in Ukraine! (I'm tough of course, but still ..) Putin think ...
    1. Mishut37rf
      Mishut37rf 1 May 2014 21: 34
      +2
      Well, not all ... And then with a yellow gopa, it’s as if not to stay. But the thought, as I think, is correct.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 2 May 2014 05: 19
      0
      Have you heard about the Chinese "Great Leap Forward"? That also does not work.
  3. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 1 May 2014 19: 12
    +15
    Only an incompetent person can call our space program an expensive toy.
    The author is clearly not in the subject, a set of disparate facts to justify the title. Level - the creativity of the student 1 course journalism faculty. And adult uncles read all this. Just disrespect for the forum.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 1 May 2014 21: 45
      +1
      Beat him!
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 1 May 2014 19: 14
    +3
    Author Andrey Kislyakov

    poured salt on a non-healing wound
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 May 2014 19: 17
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      Author Andrey Kislyakov

      poured salt on a non-healing wound

      Oh how exactly put it ..!
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 May 2014 19: 17
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      Author Andrey Kislyakov

      poured salt on a non-healing wound

      Oh how exactly put it ..!
  5. boozer
    boozer 1 May 2014 19: 18
    +2
    By the way! If the banderlog removed the gun from the wall and fire. The mess begins. What to do with representatives of the USA and NATO on the ISS? How many of ours are on board right now? Are there any space blasters ( laughing ) or laser swords? Somewhere in a distant galaxy ...
    1. f.lourens
      f.lourens 1 May 2014 20: 18
      +1
      Ё mine and Darth Vader is in Ukraine ... and the evil one doesn’t enroll very well as candidates ... so that the war on the ISS will not work wassat
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 1 May 2014 22: 27
        +1
        Quote: f.lourens
        Ё mine and Darth Vader is in Ukraine ... and the evil one doesn’t enroll very well as candidates ... so that the war on the ISS will not work

        The Dark Lord decided to take revenge for humiliation by not registering as a presidential candidate, participating in the election of the Kiev mayor, where he wants to compete with Klitschko ...
    2. Saburo
      Saburo 1 May 2014 20: 50
      0
      In Soviet times, it was like developing a laser gun for astronauts. And in zero gravity, kinetic weapons are not effective.
  6. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 1 May 2014 19: 20
    +2
    In response to Rogozin’s ultimatum, Rosskosmos offered to significantly increase the staff and increase their salary by two. There are good applications, why does Russia need such gangrene in the face of Rosskosmos, is it time for this shop to suck out billions of people’s money and spend it on cabinet officials, to cover up without the right to recovery , all the same, there’s no sense, like from a goat’s milk, the ships are falling one by one.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 1 May 2014 20: 48
      +2
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      Good claims, why Russia such gangrene in the person of Rosskosmos

      Do you draw this conclusion on the basis of an openly weak and superficial article, or do you have serious facts ?!
      Have respect for one of the few truly unique branches of domestic science and technology, please. am
      PS. Roskosmos with one letter "c".
  7. Aleksandr89
    Aleksandr89 1 May 2014 19: 20
    +3
    Space is an important area for us. We need large-scale reforms in this area and, accordingly, money for development. After all, the army is changing for the better with the advent of Shoigu. Management needs to pay attention to problems with spacecraft. Human resources are not yet lost.
  8. Palych9999
    Palych9999 1 May 2014 19: 23
    +18
    We are, perhaps, the only country flying to the ISS that has not made ANY good (and not any) film about the station itself, and has not shown films - reports, such as "Our Earth (Country) from Space", not leading normal reporting from space, not popularizing Space ...
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 1 May 2014 19: 35
      +8
      Quote: Palych9999
      NOT ONE good (and not any) film about the station itself, which never shows films - reports

      Under the Communists, everything was secret. Under democrats, ideologically harmful.
      How did B.Sh. Okudzhava sing there?
      "It's profitable to be a fool, but I really don't want to!
      I really want to be smart, but end up with a beating.
      Nature has insidious prophecies on her lips ...
      But maybe someday ... we'll come to the middle one. "
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 2 May 2014 05: 30
        +1
        Okudzhava didn’t wait "when we come to the middle", can we wait?
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 2 May 2014 22: 13
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          "when we come to the average"

          You have thrown an interesting question! From my point of view, B.Sh. Okudzhava was one of the persons "offended" by the Soviet power, but not offended by the mind and "ambition", therefore, a priori he considered all conformist statesmen to be "fools", naturally considering "Clever" persons with their own point of view, as opposed to "fools". Further consistent analysis of this initial position leads the problem of "fools" and "smart" to a dead end, the way out of which is visible only in the case of mutual concessions (coordination of positions) of the interacting parties. Regarding the lack of good films promoting domestic cosmonautics: a) under the communist, with strict control of financial resources, it was considered an excess to advertise successful work carried out in the closed areas of science and technology; b) under the "democrats" the allocation of funds to advertise domestic achievements "non comme il faut" (not comme il faut). From my point of view, without a well-executed advertising campaign (a number of companies), modeling the image of a successful domestic cosmonautics is impossible.
    2. Deff
      Deff 1 May 2014 19: 36
      +2
      "not leading normal reports from space, not popularizing Space ..."
      There is already such a project and advertised on TV and Putin was at the opening
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 2 May 2014 05: 26
      0
      This is for sure, "House-2" - every day (ugh!), And the Space House - you see, "not in the rating".
  9. hrych
    hrych 1 May 2014 19: 27
    +13
    occasion to recall the shameful

    I don’t know about you, but for me after these words the author is disgusted to read. Moreover, the manned space program remained only with us, and the entire staffing space program on our own engines. Even in this area, many thousands of high-class specialists work, and some kind of journalist shit that didn’t keep a heavier ballpoint pen in its dead pens is gray with its filthy articles.
    1. Beck
      Beck 2 May 2014 02: 00
      +3
      Quote: hrych
      and the entire staffing space program on our own engines. Many thousands of highly skilled specialists work in this area,


      "A US federal court on Wednesday imposed an injunction against the use of Russian rocket engines by a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Boeing.
      RIA News
      .

      "In particular, it is prohibited" to make any purchases or payments with NPO Energomash, "says the court ruling, which does not apply to previous contracts and purchases."
      RIA News


      "The executive director of the Energomash enterprise producing such engines, Vladimir Solntsev, said back in August 2013 that the termination of supplies to the United States could lead to a sharp drop in the plant's utilization and, as a result, to its closure."
      RIA News
      1. hrych
        hrych 2 May 2014 07: 53
        +1
        The entire American system is thoroughly corrupted, Boeings, Lockheeds and other monsters have their lobbies in Congress and Senate, here is a convenient reason for transferring a lucrative contract to your gang, however, it takes years to make a serial engine for Atlas and naturally there will be a series of accidents Moreover, the cost of the cast weight will increase, the RD-180 cannot be surpassed, which means there will be no competitive advantages. The fact that our assembly shop will suffer is okay, because even if we have several hundred people left without work, the enemy will remain without a reliable carrier.
        1. Beck
          Beck 2 May 2014 08: 31
          0
          Quote: hrych
          it will take years to make a serial engine for Atlas, and naturally there will be a series of accidents, moreover, the cost of the throw weight will increase, the RD-180 will not be surpassed, which means there will be no competitive advantages.


          Your error in judgment is as follows.

          The entire economy of the world is based on "economy". The Yankees began to use the RD-180 not because they did not have their own engines, but because what was CHEAPER TO BUY than to produce similar ones... In addition, "Atlases" are old systems and which end by themselves, in terms of the number of pieces.

          The first American Atlas ICBM, entered service with the United States in the late 1950s.

          Early modifications of the Atlases were made not only for military use. Thus, on December 18, 1958, Atlas was used as a space launch vehicle to launch a satellite. Atlas was also used to carry out manned missions in the first American manned space program, Mercury. In total, 4 manned orbital flights were performed in 1962-1963.

          In total, about 350 combat missiles were manufactured. After they were removed from service, the Atlases were mothballed. In the 80s they were reactivated and used for peaceful purposes. On the basis of combat missiles in 2000, modifications were developed for commercial launches - Atlas 2, Atlas 3 and Atlas 5. Exactly on the last two and put RD-180.

          If the RD-180 cease to arrive, the Yankees will put their engines on these Atlases, it will certainly be more expensive, but not critical.
          1. hrych
            hrych 2 May 2014 08: 53
            +1
            We are only talking about Atlas-5 the rest is in the past. From August 2002 to November 2011 was produced 28 startsat which almost 100% reliability of the launch vehicle was demonstrated. In July 2011, the ULA and NASA signed an agreement to develop a manned launch vehicle as part of the COTS commercial flight program. In August 2011, Boeing announced the selection of the Atlas V as the carrier for the CST-100 ship under development.

            Those. in essence, there is no alternative to Atlas-5, the main component is verification and reliability, and naturally, thanks to the RD-180 and the hope of a promising manned version, there will be big problems when the contract is terminated. The EU (Arians), etc., have all kinds of Deltas, etc., even among Asians, but only Atlas-5 really works, everything else is a single commercial launch.
            1. clidon
              clidon 2 May 2014 12: 46
              0
              But what about the Falcon?
            2. Beck
              Beck 2 May 2014 14: 00
              +1
              Quote: hrych
              Those. in essence, there is no alternative to Atlas-5, the main component is provenness and reliability, and naturally thanks to the RD-180 and the hope of a promising manned version, there will be big problems when the contract is terminated.


              Well, that way went deeper.

              Amers now do not have a specific program, such as flights to the moon or any orbital projects. Therefore, they did not further modernize their Apollo. The ISS was serviced by Soyuz and Protons. And some urashniki draw joyful conclusions from this that no one will fly anywhere without the RD-180.

              So the Americans, using the "respite", developed the "Constellation" program and the Orion spacecraft is being created for it. How old is "Union", several dozen. And when Orion flies, on its own engines, Soyuz will look like a Zhiguli against a Merce next to it. And Orion is without American private transport ships. It is not necessary to be satisfied with one engine, but to look into the future. By 2017, when the Orion flight is planned, the Russian cosmonautics needs to catch up. Although it’s probably late, we got carried away by the Unions and Protons.

              Although there is evidence that work on the Constellation program has been discontinued. But this is how to say, the developments have remained.

              NASA Director Charles Bolden says: “I do not agree with those who say that we abandoned manned flights. I think that we will return to manned flights, perhaps faster than if we continued the previous work. If we want to fly to Mars, then with new technologies we will be there in days, not months ”.

              Lori Garver (Bolden’s First Deputy) says private companies will be able to send astronauts to the ISS in 2016 (if not earlier).

              The US budget for space in 2013 was about $ 17,711 billion;
              Budget in 2014 is estimated at about $ 17,7 billion


              Do you think Roscosmos does not dream of such an amount.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 2 May 2014 05: 33
      +1
      Quote: hrych
      the entire staffing space program on our engines

      If you don’t know, it’s better to keep silent.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 2 May 2014 05: 48
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        If you don’t know, it’s better to keep silent.
        And what about the Americans flying something else?
        1. clidon
          clidon 2 May 2014 08: 34
          +1
          Two carriers fly on our engines - the Atlas-5 heavy rocket (RD-180 first stage engines - throw weight 18-29 tons) and the Antares medium-class private carrier (HK-33 first stage - 5,5 tons).
          There are also:
          "Pegasus" - (light starts from the plane - 0,4 tons)
          "Minotaur" (light class based on the MX ICBM - 1,5 tons)
          "Taurus" - (light class - 1,3 tons)
          "Falcon-9" - (private middle class - 13 tons).
          "Delta -2" - (middle class - 6 tons).
          "Delta-4" - (heavy class - 22,5 tons).
      2. hrych
        hrych 2 May 2014 07: 48
        +1
        So be silent.
  10. Deff
    Deff 1 May 2014 19: 30
    +1
    Complexity without ideas and audience, because

    1. The idea of ​​the March idea of ​​Rogozin, its message!
    "To ride around the moon" means the main meaning is not captured!

    2. In terms of structure and disposition, one needs to proceed from this and have analytics of already grated people in this area, for example, the same Alexei Leonov. And probably the discussion is to lead on the pages of specialized journals and online resources on astronautics.

    3. What feedback would you like to get here? Purely emotional?
    Then write an article about the next version of the matrix Fourier transform and ask for criticism!

    The minus is shorter.
  11. Giant thought
    Giant thought 1 May 2014 19: 30
    +1
    Our lag in astronautics is not yet critical. We must now prepare a project for our station in orbit, the time for the space hostel is ending, and we must get out of it prepared. Only independence in space will allow the implementation of independent space programs. So, we are not stopping there, glorious deeds are still ahead of us.
    1. hrych
      hrych 1 May 2014 19: 32
      +5
      Lag behind whom?
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 1 May 2014 22: 29
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        Lag behind whom?

        Apparently, from themselves (from their desires).
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 2 May 2014 05: 37
      0
      Is there enough money to do everything yourself? Or tighten the belts again? Science is beyond politics!
  12. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 May 2014 19: 38
    +6
    I remembered the times of the USSR .. (the satellite was constantly launched .. Kosmos 44 ... 0 (small print) Another crew was sent to the Soyuz space station ..) So it was all commonplace ..
    1. hrych
      hrych 1 May 2014 19: 49
      +3
      The accident in the USSR was no less, just a lot was not advertised before the UNION earned how the clock works now, many carriers, animal testers and, unfortunately, pilots were ditched. Not one N-1 was able to take off, Nedelin was killed. A satellite (according to some sources, a combat laser) launched by Energy has been lost, everything has failed in the Martian program, etc., etc. But no one even dares to call the Soviet cosmonautics shameful. Everything is still at the limit of the technical means of terrestrial civilization, but the Russian Federation has retained achievements that cannot be said about the states.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 2 May 2014 05: 50
        0
        Space stations for the study of planets and deep space - Voyager and Pioneer, rovers, space telescopes, but the same Shuttle - is this a lag?
        “The Russian Federation has preserved its achievements, which cannot be said about the states.” - I see no point in underestimating the successes of scientists from other countries. Is that it makes it easier for you ...
        1. hrych
          hrych 2 May 2014 07: 46
          +1
          Voyagers - the past, shuttles - the past, the lime moon and that past, at present there is simply no carrier for manned flights, now ours will stop supplying the RD-180 and that's it, the end of the Atlases. In astronautics, there is no subjunctive mood, our carriers, like Proton and Soyuz, are in perfect order, continue to be mass-produced and fly, the last accidents were with the problems of the new upper stage, which is not surprising in this industry. There are tons of ICBM-based carriers. NASA currently has not just problems, but they are on the verge of a full anus, moreover, even promising paper projects are in a disastrous state, the fault is our achievements in engine building, when their manufacturers stupidly could not stand the competition and their erroneous shuttle path, for which they held until the last, until the losses and high prices forced to urgently curtail this project. If there was and is a space race, then we won it.
  13. aud13
    aud13 1 May 2014 19: 38
    +2
    Quote: Palych9999
    We are, perhaps, the only country flying to the ISS that has not made ANY good (and not any) film about the station itself, and has not shown films - reports, such as "Our Earth (Country) from Space", not leading normal reporting from space, not popularizing Space ...

    Indeed, if one wisely approached through our ISS, it would be very cool to advertise our space science and industry.
    And so the only thing that was remembered was that space tourists were sent to the station for dollars. And in my opinion, the project is dubious from an economic point of view ...
  14. Deff
    Deff 1 May 2014 19: 39
    -1
    Quote: hrych
    Lag behind whom?

    From the same Chinese, they are already preparing the third lander.
    1. hrych
      hrych 1 May 2014 19: 52
      +3
      Colleague, what are you talking about, guys are doing the first, timid little steps that we made more than 50 years ago. When their crews will work on a rotational basis at the orbital station, I hope ours will already fly on disks.
      1. Deff
        Deff 1 May 2014 21: 46
        -2
        "the guys take the first, timid steps"
        The guys have everything on the go and it works, but in order to restore the lander to the moon, two years are needed to restore production and documentation.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 1 May 2014 22: 47
      +2
      Quote: Deff
      Quote: hrych
      Lag behind whom?

      From the same Chinese, they are already preparing the third lander.

      Don't tell my mustache! The Chinese will have to catch up with us and the Americans for at least another twenty years, maybe even thirty of us and the Americans, and that's the question, because we, too, are not standing still and are not waiting for the Chinese to catch up with us. Although, it is much easier for them now - they are still walking along the path already beaten by us (they even fly in the modernized "Vostok").
      1. Deff
        Deff 2 May 2014 03: 44
        0
        You do not read carefully, there was no talk of a launch vehicle, it was a lander. China is now concerned about self-reversing
  15. Lukich
    Lukich 1 May 2014 19: 49
    +8
    An old Baikonur joke.
    a member of the Politburo arrives and arranges for the distribution. Americans are already walking on the moon, and are you all spinning around the ball?!?! all tomorrow fly in the sun !!!
    so it's hot there ...
    nothing fools sit in the Politburo. fly at night!
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 1 May 2014 20: 26
      +2
      Quote: Lukich
      An old Baikonur joke.
      a member of the Politburo arrives and arranges for the distribution. Americans are already walking on the moon, and are you all spinning around the ball?!?! all tomorrow fly in the sun !!!
      so it's hot there ...
      nothing fools sit in the Politburo. fly at night!


      I now have anti-Soviet jokes that every year more and more I do not like. Especially when they are off topic ...
  16. kaa1977
    kaa1977 1 May 2014 19: 59
    +4
    I have long been horrified by the fact that in many areas we are dependent on someone there. In Russia, this should not be even in the most super-peaceful time.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 May 2014 20: 07
      0
      Quote: kaa1977
      I have long been horrified by the fact that in many areas we are dependent on someone there. In Russia, this should not be even in the most super-peaceful time.

      Shouldn't ..! I hope it will be so soon. If it is different, then Russia is already gone ..
      1. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes 1 May 2014 22: 40
        +1
        Is Russia exclusively an economy for you? You have an American character - all judgments about countries are based solely on economics and social services. well-being. Russia has been and will be. We survived in the 90s - then we stand in 2014.
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  17. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 1 May 2014 20: 05
    0
    the author may be right, but doesn’t offer anything - it’s necessary to work, to do the existing with high quality and work on the new
  18. Sergey Eagle
    Sergey Eagle 1 May 2014 20: 08
    +3
    In space, it seems we are marking time. Such an idea with Buran ruined just wonder. And neither to whom nor what. And to master cabinet areas is sacred. Otherwise, how to explain its significance.? It’s not necessary to cling to the prizes, but to do your job well so that the country is not offended!
    1. Deff
      Deff 1 May 2014 21: 53
      0
      Well, the moon is the main direction now, - the energy on earth ends, the ecology goes out
    2. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 1 May 2014 23: 01
      0
      Quote: Sergey Eagle
      In space, it seems we are marking time. Such an idea with Buran ruined just wonder. And neither to whom nor what. And to master cabinet areas is sacred. Otherwise, how to explain its significance.? It’s not necessary to cling to the prizes, but to do your job well so that the country is not offended!

      Essential Commentary Sergey Eagle... This is not the case when you can compete in wit. It is impossible to overestimate the significance of the "space program". This is the present and the future of (hopefully) Russia. "Hardware" intrigues and commercial experiments are unacceptable here. About any privatization and SPEECH CAN NOT BE !!! Prime Minister Medvedev should have been placed in an institution for teenagers with bad inclinations for a long time, by the way! It is necessary to collect all our scientific potential, all talented scientists who have traveled all over the world, creating conditions that satisfy them. I understand it is easy to say, but not to do. In front of the computer, we are all strategists. A real leader is needed - an organizer. Lavrenty Pavlovich will not rise again, no matter how the country needs such a person now. But something tells me that Rogozin (with the full support of the president) will be able to revive this program and make progress. And in the article ... - The hopeless melancholy overcomes ...
  19. Little Muck
    Little Muck 1 May 2014 20: 11
    +2
    The article makes no sense, which means there is nothing to discuss.
    Only time was lost reading it. Article minus.
    Why publish it?
  20. Captain45
    Captain45 1 May 2014 20: 12
    +2
    "Roscosmos responded with a proposal to create a special presidential council on space and substantially increase the agency's staff."
    Especially "pleases" - "to significantly increase the staff of the agency itself", that is, to keep a bunch of idlers at the state expense. Maybe it is better to put the question in the spirit of 37 - where are the results, dear scientists? "Didn't you, son of a bitch, have any intent for a terrorist attack?" (C) "Era of Mercy" Brother Vayner. Then, you look, and the results will quickly appear lol
    1. ty60
      ty60 1 May 2014 22: 24
      0
      I’m afraid it’s time to create closed sharash in the style of Beria before the war. For managers as well. It’s impossible to use the benefits, it makes no sense to steal. And the staff will be sharply reduced by themselves.
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 1 May 2014 22: 30
      0
      And in fact, under Stalin, the atom was mastered in the most difficult years of the post-war devastation, in record time. And even a few years later it was mastered by hydrogen. Now it’s quite familiar and proven technology, but in those years it was a task if not more difficult to fly into space , then in commensurate orders.
  21. rkkasa xnumx
    rkkasa xnumx 1 May 2014 20: 13
    +3
    The author writes:

    our cosmonautics in the person of its manned part firmly inherited Soviet traditions, when no means were spared on this promotional toy. To the detriment of all other areas.

    I don’t know about the damage for other directions, but the MIR station didn’t seem to be a propaganda toy:

    At the Mir orbital complex, the most important scientific discoveries were made, unique technical and technological solutions were implemented.
    the equipment located at the station carried a double load - civilian and military. In particular, the Mir station could record cruise missile launches and the movement of various aircraft [12].
  22. saag
    saag 1 May 2014 20: 16
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Eagle
    Such an idea with Buran ruined just wonder

    There was no load for him, there was no telescope, the crew was cheaper to bring the Unions, the supply - Progress, to the geostationary site by Protons or the same Union with Frigate, that's all
  23. e-froloff
    e-froloff 1 May 2014 20: 18
    +1
    No need to throw space! Do not throw the ISS! You need to take the moon !!! We must be there first! It is the first on the moon, and not in a movie from Hollywood !!!!
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 1 May 2014 20: 33
      +2
      Take it wider. Hold a referendum on the ISS on independence and accession to Russia. laughing
      1. Mih
        Mih 1 May 2014 22: 19
        +1
        Good thought and quite in the spirit of the times. I support.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 2 May 2014 06: 01
      +1
      Unfortunately, we were not the first, in 1969. Do not get information about space exploration from the yellow press and grandmothers from the "red corner"!
  24. Cossacks
    Cossacks 1 May 2014 20: 36
    -3
    In the dry residue. Space also surrendered.
  25. SPACE
    SPACE 1 May 2014 20: 46
    +2
    It is not necessary to force events, it is enough to gradually develop space in the form of improving and developing the space constellation of satellites, for various purposes, positioning, communications, surveillance, delivery vehicles in the interests of the military and commerce. Attention should also be paid to ground-based infrastructure, including defense industry updates and education. These are the main tasks, which is being done. The applied and scientific significance of outer space is of secondary importance, depending primarily on the economy, and in part, it is possible to use the experience gained and the available experience of others on issues of interest or create your own targeted scientific programs to search for really important answers, for example, to continue the Phobos Soil program . Since 57, the development of astronautics has answered many questions, vast experience has been accumulated and, to some extent, scientific and technical thought has reached its limit. In this regard, the ISS program by and large from the point of view of science has outlived itself, including the temporary resource, unless of course we are talking about its use in the form of a station for the production of any special materials. Of the priority areas of space exploration, it is necessary to dwell on the exploration of the moon. You can start right now, for this there is everything, for example, to begin designing and assembling in orbit a modular transport ship, which would serve simultaneously as a vehicle for flying to the moon, in the future to Mars and the orbital station ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 1 May 2014 22: 37
      0
      It would be really cool to organize a permanent base on the moon. Theoretically, this is possible. An advanced level of knowledge, first of all in physics, allows us to do this. It is even possible to build a space elevator to the moon - it’s worth only Rusnano to really strain. And then they put Chubais, who is in no way interested in the latest technology, but only replenishing their wallet.
  26. Andron-rnj
    Andron-rnj 1 May 2014 21: 04
    0
    THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE ISN’T the topic that the ISS is a product of collective consciousness, and if Russia (God forbid that the usharpiks of amerikos will take the trampoline, then our brother will have to shade the belt, well, if the brothers and sisters are stretched out, then the amerikoshi and the euro-souls will open space and that means Russians will not only be Victory Day, but also Triumph of Truth Day, although I was wrong this day came on the day of the referendum of the people of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea on the consent of more than 87n% of the population who expressed their opinion that they do not want to live in a country where there is no right to speak their native language
  27. Cossacks
    Cossacks 1 May 2014 21: 11
    +3
    It's just interesting who made the decision to flood the World. Why such confidence that they will not ask. Maybe this is the decryption of the extension of the terms of re-elections.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 2 May 2014 06: 10
      0
      The WORLD worked three times as much as planned, it simply became decrepit and required constant repair in order to be in working condition. This required a lot of expenses, and it was not safe to work on it. I don’t know who and what you were going to ask, it’s better to read the same, unfortunately deceased, Konstantin Feoktistov on this subject. Believe me, he was in the know.
  28. Mishut37rf
    Mishut37rf 1 May 2014 21: 29
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: boozer
    All this is good, space hotels, space tourists. But at the moment I am interested in two things: 1. View of the Crimea from space ?; and 2. Is the resolution of the images of the location of the troops of the Kiev junta good? soldier

    Well, I do not agree (+ set) Russia has always set itself global tasks! Space is one of the main and main (albeit very expensive) Everything should be decided there .. (who is cooler on the planet)

    I fully support. Only, as I understand it, under "Russia has always set itself global tasks", you most likely understand "the CCCP has always set itself global tasks"? Just looking at our life, you see that our tasks, alas, are more commercial than global. Of course, there are exceptions, but here on this site (awesome site!), You can find many articles confirming this.
    1. Mih
      Mih 1 May 2014 22: 07
      -3
      Russia has always set itself global goals!
      Do not make me laugh. NATO advancement so what? The event in Yugoslavia. Etc. We are talking about ... in front of the hounds and all the scum. What's next?
      Now Ukraine. The USA is a wall of misunderstanding, which can be destroyed only, you yourself understand how.
      The dialogue is reminiscent of the interpretation of the deaf with the dumb.
  29. Mih
    Mih 1 May 2014 21: 49
    0
    ALL of this is complete. As my school friend used to say, the Americans are using us "in the dark." Our leaders allow us to do this. Guess 3 times why? (and he knew what he was saying, because he used it himself ..) love
  30. sazhka4
    sazhka4 1 May 2014 21: 59
    0
    Boring. One words .. Bravado .. But in fact, how? Just words. Bravado ... As long as this d_uren "dimon" is the "Chairman of the Government", there is no movement and there will not be any ..
  31. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 1 May 2014 22: 06
    +1
    Space can and should have applied scientific tasks ... should be the locomotive of the development and development of new technologies ... be an integral part of global monitoring of the earth's surface, the state of the atmosphere in the interests of the national economy.

    For understanding, it is necessary to clearly formulate goals (both immediate and promising), tasks ensuring the achievement of goals, identify customers for the ongoing work package ... without this, moving forward and developing is inefficient.
  32. hunt
    hunt 1 May 2014 22: 10
    0
    We cannot do without Western and European "partners" for now. But Russia is the only flying country in the world, in space. So let the "partners" pay, or welcome to the "trampoline". And in the field of astronautics, we did not have and there is no equal, a little more funding from the state, and we will see how apples bloom on Mars.
  33. Ebundey Mukhryuev
    Ebundey Mukhryuev 1 May 2014 22: 14
    -2
    The article and comments are utter nonsense! And OUR achievements in SPACE over the past 30 years - no! All fucked up !!! ... and if you continue to think in the same spirit, then in 100 years only "comic tourists" will fly into orbit! 1/3 century "down the drain". K.E. Tsiolkovsky at one time posed more global problems! ... read! ... learn!
    1. Mih
      Mih 1 May 2014 22: 26
      +1
      Nick corresponds to the comment. Advice to the author is to hurry up your ancestors. Remember to say hello to Obama.
      1. Ebundey Mukhryuev
        Ebundey Mukhryuev 1 May 2014 22: 54
        0
        My ancestor, as you noticed, is ancient, however, as "scientists" people say, and you have great ---------------------------- --- a grandmother from Africa (if you can believe them?), so, if the opportunity arises, pass on everything you wish to your relative.
  34. Ulairy
    Ulairy 1 May 2014 23: 07
    +1
    Swearing between the crews really has not yet been observed, as, incidentally, the special warmth in the relationship.

    Politics in space, yeah, yeah ... Actually, if an amer was brought to the rolling shop for me as a partner, I would work with him, and not discuss "what kind of a fellow Obama is Putin ..." Let the politicians go in for politics, the cosmonauts in astronautics, and "the bakers - with bread, not swinging boots"! Work is work, "kitchen" is "kitchen". It is expensive to finance space, when business on Earth is not to be sorted out.
    Roscosmos responded with a proposal to create a special presidential council on space and significantly increase the staff of the agency itself.

    Obviously not for the purpose of looking at some kind of "hunt" from space.
  35. nalim
    nalim 1 May 2014 23: 23
    0
    The article is a year ago. Where did they get this crap from?
  36. da Vinci
    da Vinci 1 May 2014 23: 36
    +1
    Unfortunately, a difficult situation has arisen: the successes of the United States in space are obvious, Russia and China will not be able to cooperate on a parity basis - China will use Russia and go into isolation, there will be no cooperative society. True, you can use India, Brazil, but these countries are not very reliable.
  37. bulvas
    bulvas 2 May 2014 00: 23
    +1
    So the debate over Russian rocket engines in the United States ended


    The US federal lawsuit court imposed an injunction on Wednesday to use the United Launch Alliance, a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Boeing, of Russian rocket engines.

    01 May 2014, 22: 18
    In particular, the United Launch Alliance is forbidden to “make any purchases or payments with NPO Energomash,” RIA Novosti reports.

    The ban was obtained by the private company SpaceX, which produces rockets and spacecraft. SpaceX protested that the U.S. Air Force handed over the contract to a joint venture of US defense companies that buy rocket engines in Russia without a tender. Other companies, such as Orbital Sciences, which uses Russian engines for its launch vehicles, opposed such a move. Previously, the Pentagon reported that due to the Ukrainian crisis, the issue of using Russian RD-180 engines for Atlas launch vehicles could be reconsidered.



    Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/30219#ixzz30UuFeqt2
  38. sem-yak
    sem-yak 2 May 2014 00: 34
    0
    I re-read the article three times, and did not understand what the author wanted to tell about! Dregs and empty. Someone somewhere stumbled, and inflated to the whole stadium! My opinion is that if you don’t need it today, then you will definitely need it tomorrow! And even for the sake of this it is necessary to hold the palm at all costs, and not exchange money!
  39. DimDimych
    DimDimych 2 May 2014 00: 56
    +1
    Unclaimed height

    Recent World Events (for this ATP!) prompted Russia to radically revise
    all - financial, economic, industrial, agricultural and foreign policy ...
    There is no way back.

    The potential of the country is huge and ALL heights will be OUR! drinks
  40. varela
    varela 2 May 2014 02: 00
    +2
    From AvtoVAZ to ROSKOSMOS?
    This explains a lot...
  41. Sergei75
    Sergei75 2 May 2014 02: 08
    +1
    Yanka did not have manned flight techniques, the construction of manned stations and a long stay in space, now there is ... The Moor has done his job - the Moor can leave ...
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 2 May 2014 06: 17
      +1
      Quote: Sergei75
      The Yankees didn’t have manned flight techniques,

      ????? Well, where is it from? If you don’t read, at least watch TV!
  42. armageddon
    armageddon 2 May 2014 03: 24
    +1
    space is the future of mankind !!! see how much space technology is used in everyday life! So don’t have to spare money, but a competent guide is another question ...
  43. Logos
    Logos 2 May 2014 15: 41
    +2
    Quote: Horde
    Quote: sv68
    and how you my friend will share it if foreign equipment is also present on our modules, explain do not be lazy


    Do you propose introducing borders and putting customs at the station? our part of the station is decent and can exist autonomously



    By the way, our part is even more ZARYA module for some reason painted in Amer color ...

    That's right - the construction of the Zarya module was funded by NASA and legally belongs to NASA, so the customs border will have to be moved.

    By the way, it was not in vain that the "Science" module was mentioned in the article, which was never built. This is not an accident, since traditionally "white people" are engaged in science on the ISS, and the role of Russians is to be servants and cabbies.