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Ukraine as a Trojan horse of the West

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Ukraine as a Trojan horse of the West



Dear forum users! Just want to make a reservation that I do not claim either for the laurels of Nostradamus, or for the vacant position of analyst in any structures. I offer for your consideration and discussion only my personal conclusions. Due to the fact that the abundance of possible links and numbers dispels the reader's attention, they will not exist at all. I offer you my analysis of the situation in Ukraine, one of the possible scenarios of why this whole mess was brewed, and what it might be like. Sorry, I specifically gave the article a literary style for a more complete perception. So…

The end of the twentieth century. Russia. A country with a collapsed economy, huge debts to all sorts of Western banks, "funds" and acute national problems. Already prepared a new war in the Caucasus. Someone, for a general designation - Mister, gladly rubs his hands: it’s not long to wait for Russia. However, the Russian Bear, though mortally ill, still has fangs and claws in the form of its nuclear potential. Therefore, it will not be possible to simply “open it up” openly, although even the surrounding people agree. It is necessary for the Bear to finally weaken from its diseases and from the “help” that Mister has been pushing him into the mouth for ten years. That's when the long-awaited time comes to divide the den and habitat, which the fierce Bear manages to defend with success. Everything is going according to plan, the “stranglehold” is thrown over, and the bundle on it is slowly but surely tightened. And suddenly…

Russia has a new leader, young and bold. He immediately showed his determination and did not flirt with "democracy". The war prepared by Mister did not follow the scenario that had been prepared. Further - more ... Russia paid off foreign debts and began slowly but surely getting up from its knees. Strengthening the army, restoring the economy and, most importantly, returning to the role of a leading world power - these are the priorities identified by the Head. And again, Russian strategic missile carriers appeared in the sky, and submarine cruisers - in the ocean.

The grand plan for the complete collapse of Russia has failed. He failed at that stage, but Mister always has a backup option, already prepared, but temporarily “canned”. One of these options is called the Trojan Horse. I agree that it is not original, but fully expresses its essence and ultimate goal. Here it is: if Medvedev cannot be “tamed”, trained and put on a short chain, then the question must be solved radically, the decision made - “to poison the beast”. To do this, you just need to cook something that the clubfoot cannot refuse in principle, but at the same time “spice up” the treat with a lethal dose of poison.

The people of Russia still have memories of the former power of the USSR, of Soviet social justice. The former republics have become “abroad”, in which there is also a large percentage of “nostalgic”, and two of them have always been considered as a single whole with Russia and inhabited practically by one ethnic group. The “divorce” of these republics was perceived painfully, the ideas of association are constantly in the air. This is the whole plan.

From Belarus "feed" did not work. The stern Old Man came to power in it and turned all the volunteers of Mr. Mister inside with fur. The game on the “national” strings of the Belarusian soul also did not go, the Belarusians stubbornly refuse to distance themselves from the Russians. Sanctions and other attacks did not pass, Russia is actively helping the Old Man financially and morally.

Ukraine remained. Here it is, "zamanuha"! You can not imagine better! The Russians have always had a special, reverent attitude towards Ukraine. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Odessa, Sevastopol - the city of Russian glory, the symbols of the Great Victory. Russian language, Russian culture, absolute identity of mentality. Half of the territory is in the past Little Russia, Tavrida, fragments of the great Empire, "forgotten" by the drunkard and given to the new Ukraine. But there is the second half ...

Western Ukraine ... Territories joined before the Great War, the former provinces of Romania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland. The territory where hatred was instilled in Russia for decades and everything Russian. All история the formation of Ukraine is a struggle between its West and East.

And now the “orange” revolution has gone through Ukraine, the main focus of which was placed on national identity. They told the people something like this. Suppose there is something wrong with the economy, but you know, people, that Adam was ukrom, and that Great Ukraine had stretched before the Volga and the Caucasian ridges. That life in Ukraine would be generally comfortable if not for Russia. These "Muscovites" took away your gas, your oil and constantly put sticks in the wheels of the Ukrainian carts. And also, ukry, we feed them all our lives and we still feed them Ukrainian bread and lard, because Russians are all drunks and lazy. And it worked!

The overwhelming majority suddenly felt like true Ukrainians. Gradually, everything connected with Russia was squeezed and erased from memory. Actions in spite of Russia have become the norm, a sort of bravado and a dandy of its own “independence”. Any negotiations turned into a farce, Ukraine frankly blackmailed Russia, "building" eyes on the West. The preparatory phase for the main action was completed, the performers and driving force for the future were determined. The election began a transitional period to the main action.

The one whom everyone has positioned as a “pro-Russian” henchman came to power in Ukraine. And he himself did not particularly deny it. Note for yourself - “pro-Russian”, this is important. In fact, a clan came to power in the country, which began a grandiose repartition of property and its transfer from state pockets to its own. In record time, the playful hands of the clan representatives gathered the remnants of the Ukrainian industry and the money allocated for its restoration. Mass discontent reached boiling point. Again, they needed Russian money and discounts on everything. Before the next negotiations, they decided to slightly “intimidate” Russia, for which they made a lot of harsh rapprochement with the EU. Russia was not afraid, but in some places it began to give way. Ukrainian Grabber decided that the deed was done, but Mister thought otherwise.

A go-ahead was given, and the languidly boiling cauldron, which was Ukraine, exploded. The general masses of dissatisfied and peacefully protesting citizens were led by nationalist militants who arrived from the western regions. It was then that for the first time it sounded that Gapuga was not just a thief, but a protege of Russia and did everything especially for the collapse of the country, at the direction of the Russians.

And now the “revolution” swept away the dynasty of thieves. "Truth and Freedom" triumphed. The goal of the Ukrainian people has been achieved. This is where the most incomprehensible in the whole history of the Ukrainian revolution begins. The next day, the new Rada passed laws that, by all logic and sound mind, could not be taken, they were clearly provocative and deadly to preserve the unity of the country. The "revolutionaries" could not understand this a priori. The reaction of Russia was not long in coming, it was predictable, most importantly, it was calculated by Mister. Further more…

Loud statements and deliberately provocative actions by the new Kiev authorities and its henchmen in the provinces followed. Crimea was the first to explode, and here Russia, preemptively (but predictably), slammed the fist on the table. Remember the instant development of events, the urgent postponement of the referendum and the sudden, loud reception of the Crimea to Russia. Why is the month for the Ukrainian authorities practically inactive, seeing what is happening? Couldn't do anything? Rave! Forces, means and capabilities were there, but Mister was silent and did not give commands. Why? Because the Bear predictably rushed to the kindly decomposed bait and at once swallowed it. And then came the moment of entering the arena of what is actually called the “Trojan Horse”.

The Trojan Horse is the south-eastern region of Ukraine. In any case, the situation is already working for Mister. I explain. Crimea was a fuse that lit a fire in these areas. The conflict is there, deliberately heated and will gradually be brought from civil confrontation to civil war. New Ukrainian power rushing through, often frankly provoking Russia to active actions. From the rebel areas more persistently there are calls for assistance to the "insurgent" people. Only here there are no people! There are groups of citizens who, in comparison with the population, are just a miser. The Kiev authorities are sluggish in carrying out an operation to restore “order,” I would even say, in a measured manner, exactly so that the conflict does not subside. The only task is to make Russia directly intervene in the events. The West froze in anticipation: would the Russian Bear swallow a poisoned main course? The sanctions imposed by Mister and deliberately loud statements are a red herring. That is why they are of such declarative nature.

If Russia enters the army, it will be resisted actively. Killed on both sides, burning and destroyed Ukrainian villages (if we don’t set fire to ours, then they will be “helped” to burn). Kiev authorities will turn to the nation and, believe me, it will respond. The war will be real, getting involved in it, Russia will take the path of its own destruction. After all, if we “liberate” the Southeast and the newly formed republics become part of Russia, then all their problems will come to us with them. Destroyed economy, unprofitable production, ruined social sphere. The Russian economy will not sustain additional costs unequivocally. Example: from where to pay pensions to three or four million pensioners, if they had worked for another state for a quarter of a century? And benefits? And so on all points - the budget will simply collapse.

However, even this is not the worst. Together with these territories will come the population, about half of which is now for the "united" Ukraine. Ideologically hardened, physically prepared. Infection Maidan crawl across Russia, and the difficult economic situation will be fertile soil for her. The West can “help” here (real sanctions, a collapse in prices for oil and gas). The financial losses of the West, about which our “patriots” speak with delight, will not be compared with its subsequent profit! And how much time will remain until the fires of tires on the squares of our cities? And the Kiev authorities will write off everything on the war, join NATO, which will immediately place its bases on the territory of Ukraine.

If Russia does not intervene, the speeches will be suppressed, and gradually explain the defeat of the supporters of federalization by betrayal on the part of Russia. There will be a final rupture of the roots on the basis of frustration. Ukraine will join NATO, with all the other charms of this bloc.

So. The goal has already been achieved: the Ukrainians began to see their main enemy in Russia. Not all yet, but the events are not over. There is such a position in chess - zugzwang, when any move leads to loss. We are driven into this position by pushing the Trojan Horse insistently. Everything depends on the wisdom of our Head and Russian diplomacy.

Mister has a lot of experience in such multi-paths, and his analysts are far from stupid people. Look at everything that happens under a different, not shrill-patriotic angle. You will see a lot of interesting, yet inexplicable. Many of your questions with this view will find the answer, and the scattered puzzles of events will converge into a single picture.

I did not forget many trivia and facts, but deliberately lowered them.

With respect to all - IRBIS (Alexander).
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  1. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 May 2014 10: 56
    +20
    So. The goal has already been achieved: Ukrainians began to see their main enemy in Russia.
    I disagree categorically! We always had one enemy (only now it is more sophisticated) Most in the world have long understood this ..!
    1. elmi
      elmi 2 May 2014 11: 43
      +16
      An article written in the interests of the West, to prevent the inclusion of southeast Ukraine in Russia.
      If Russia introduces troops, it will be actively resisted. The burning and destroyed Ukrainian villages that were killed on either side, (if they do not set fire to ours, they will be “helped” to burn out).
      Why then didn’t the Crimea resist? The West is afraid that such a Crimean scenario could happen with the southeast and maybe with the rest of Ukraine’s regions, so it’s afraid that Russia will decide. And in order to prevent this scenario in every possible way, they will impose sanctions and they’ll be afraid if there will be troops in the lead, at the same time the information pressure, this article is just part of this pressure.
      Indeed, if we “liberate” the Southeast and the newly formed republics become part of Russia, then all their problems will come to us along with them. Destroyed economy, unprofitable production, ruined social network. The Russian economy will not stand the extra costs unambiguously.

      You see how they frighten))), the meaning is the same - do not join the southeast to Russia, there will be some problems. Already by this statement one can understand that this is in the interests of the West. Russia would never have grown in new territories if it had followed this logic and was afraid of new problems.
      If you follow the logic of this article, then Russia needs to be afraid of everything and see the evil intent of the West, they say, if you try to join the territories, this will result in big losses, the destruction of the economy, that there is not enough money to support the new masses, in general, they play on the fears of the Russians. If Russia adhered to such views, Russia did not expand in size and would be on the territory of a Central European country.
      1. randomizer
        randomizer 2 May 2014 11: 55
        +10
        Yes, with such a house all sorts of Rains are littered, Have praised and other Ears of Matzah. You don’t even need to read. Everywhere the same thing is procrastinating.
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 2 May 2014 16: 54
          +19
          Irbis, I will answer you, because before I came across your unacceptable attitude to the restoration of the USSR and the rapprochement of countries. From the history of communication, I realized that you are a categorical opponent of collecting lands. From this I can conclude: 1) you are a deluded person, 2) you are an enemy in disguise. While I am inclined to the first, because during the collapse they managed to drive everyone that individualism is our everything ... Now, regarding your "idea". I do not often mention in posts about Ukraine, but nevertheless Crimea is a strategic region along with the Black Sea straits, who controls the Crimea controls the Black Sea, who controls the straits controls the door to the Black Sea. It was the Crimea and the straits that all the Black Sea empires, starting with the Greek one, sought to possess ... Moreover, there are deposits of gas and oil in the Crimea, the Kerch Strait is nearby, not to mention the climate and the recraction zone. I consider its accession to be one of the biggest geopolitical victories of the last decade ... now with regards to the southeast, there are huge deposits of shale gas on the territory of Donetsk Kharkiv and Luhansk regions, if "Mr." retains control over these territories, then Russia's energy dominance in the gas market Europe will come to an end ... Moreover, the costly northern and southern streams will not pay off ... The economic consequences are more likely to be worse than paying pensions of 3-4 million people, the recession, soil poisoning in the border areas, additional consequences of this geostrategic loss ... The east of Ukraine is not only a shale threat to energy domination, this is another 8-10 million Slavs, and not the "lumps" you do not like that can compensate for the shortage of labor and military resources for the period of Russia's recovery after the disaster of the late 20th century. Kharkiv and Luhansk transport hubs, a favorable climate for cx, military-industrial complex plants are a bonus ... If for you capital investments that will pay off with the trio in the coming decades are unacceptable, then you are not an analyst, but just an individualist of average hands and your place in your office is clerk ...
          1. koshh
            koshh 2 May 2014 23: 13
            +3
            Quote: T80UM1
            then you aren’t any analyst but just an individualist of the middle hand and a place for you in the office as a clerk ...


            No, rather, his place with a rag in his hands engaged in cleaning gayropeyskih toilets. He is not an individualist, but an associate of the 5th column.
        2. T80UM1
          T80UM1 2 May 2014 17: 11
          +6
          Now about zugzwang, here Russia is really put in a difficult position from the whole world, how to justify its actions without running into sanctions and deep confrontation for which the country is not yet ready either economically or morally (Irbis for example) or militarily. There is a way out to create with the hands of illegal armed groups (illegal armed groups) an independent country unrecognized by the world society, as illegal armed groups can be used "volunteers" of North Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, and the Crimea. Local oligarchs should provide economic support on the ground (for not everyone likes the Tymoshenko and KO group). This creates a platform for interaction that excludes the world community with which only Russia can work. This status quo will be temporary until Russia is ready to transform itself from a regional power into a superpower. Russian troops will not enter Ukraine, but volunteers (mercenaries as you like) please. A bit cynical, but still Ukraine is doomed, like all other countries of the former USSR. A hard fate awaits the Baltic states and possibly Uzbekistan, the Baltic states will be forcibly annexed, and no one needs Uzbekistan ...
      2. jktu66
        jktu66 2 May 2014 13: 16
        +10
        If you follow the logic of this article, then Russia needs to be afraid of everything and see the evil intent of the West, they say, if you try to join the territories, this will result in big losses, the destruction of the economy, that there is not enough money to support the new masses, in general, they play on the fears of the Russians. If Russia adhered to such views, Russia did not expand in size and would be on the territory of a Central European country.
        Yes, the article is controversial in many ways. As for the Crimea, his accession was in no way included in Mr’s plans, and for a while brought this Mr into a state of stupor smile ... And after 2 months the number of supporters of the junta among Ukrainians has noticeably decreased. BUT! Of course, the whole situation in Ukraine was conceived with the aim of weakening Russia. And our country is in a very difficult situation, especially in the economic, defense and demographic areas. On the other hand, political authority, contrary to the desire of the "mister", is growing, the people fully supported the country's leadership in its foreign policy, even realizing the possible deterioration of the financial situation. Until now, Russia has been coping with the current situation with honor and dignity, firmly defending its interests and does not make rash moves in politics to the delight of the "misters." I hope that everything will continue to be the same, in the case of SE, time plays in our interests - May 11, referendum, just around the corner wink
        1. com.pozer
          com.pozer 2 May 2014 15: 19
          +5
          Yes Yes Yes. The main thing is that for the southeast and Russia it’s time to spend time with minimal casualties among the militias. May a referendum be held on May 11. And after it, Russia will be able to really help SE quite officially. The main thing is to endure
      3. timer
        timer 2 May 2014 23: 32
        +3
        In principle, I agree with the author of the commentary, the article was written by the enemy in order to intimidate the layman with the mythical consequences of the transition of the problems of the south-east of Ukraine to Russia. I will answer this grief to the agitator-Ukraine is an artificial entity. Southeast is Little Russia and historically Russian lands !! Yes, Russia in no case should send its troops into the territory of the Southeast. There are other effective methods of supporting and counteracting Kiev puppets. These are also supporting weapons, military instructors to consolidate armed protest, and conducting active propaganda and targeted actions, etc. As a result, these measures will achieve the main goal of holding a referendum on the federalization of the Southeast and the return of Little Russia under the protectorate of Russia. And on the external arena, it will not allow the Americans to create a wall of political and economic blockade of Russia. TOTAL AND Cunning!
    2. domokl
      domokl 2 May 2014 11: 59
      +11
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ! We always had one enemy (

      Let me ask, “With whom, with us? We talk a lot about Ukraine, and many times, we divide it, as it were, into Eastern and Western ... So who are these people here? If someone is one, then who are the others? If everything, then what about a yak for a pilaka?
      It seems to me that the author, in fact, correctly grasped the general idea of ​​the enemies of Russia ... Ukraine, even in Slovyansk, is not united ... So, together with friends, we will get enemies ...
      In this situation, the role of Churkin in the UN sharply increases ... Only under the auspices of the UN can we do something real ...
      1. mad
        mad 2 May 2014 12: 45
        +12
        Do not be ridiculous, there is no hope for the UN for a long time, there are mongrels yapping where Washington orders, Belgrade is bombed, Iraq, Syria, Libya in the Stone Age, Afghanistan has not climbed out of there ... and the UN is "deeply concerned" at the same time.
        IMHO now all hopes for Russia with China, and in the near future for the BRICS countries under the informal leadership of our country. And finish off the star-hairy colossus, since he swayed and went to vabank.
        1. domokl
          domokl 2 May 2014 12: 57
          +5
          Quote: mad
          IMHO now all hopes for Russia with China,

          Have you read the article carefully? I repeat, I agree with the author that the West’s task now is to draw Russia into the war ... Too much is at stake. From the European missile defense system to the control of the Black and Mediterranean Sea ... Yes, and Putin has far more serious diplomatic victories than defeats ...
      2. jktu66
        jktu66 2 May 2014 13: 25
        +2
        In this situation, the role of Churkin in the UN sharply increases ... Only under the auspices of the UN can we do something real ..
        Woodrow Wilson, the president of the United States, the creator of the League of Nations, from which he emerged, clearly did not believe that Russia, with the help of the United Nations, would achieve some goals different from those of the United States. Alas, at the UN we can only defend ourselves diplomatically
      3. Thompson
        Thompson 2 May 2014 14: 28
        -2
        How surprising it is to read this from a person with such epaulets.
        The question immediately arises, why is the West not afraid to take such Ukraine to itself? In it, not all Westerners. How many enemies will get!
        So there is something!
        Here we have FOR WHAT !!! You have to think a little further than your self, ego, and of course the nose! And about the UN ask the Yugs, Syrians, Iraqis ........... hi
        1. Thompson
          Thompson 3 May 2014 11: 56
          0
          Judging by the ratio of pros and cons, I was right! Fun!
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 3 May 2014 12: 07
            0
            Quote: Thompson
            Judging by the ratio of pros and cons, I was right! Fun!

            Such Svidomo and their like-minded people are always more active, work after all.
    3. Validator
      Validator 2 May 2014 12: 00
      +2
      Ukraine is the Trojan sister of Russia.
      1. Zaslavsky-S
        Zaslavsky-S 2 May 2014 12: 48
        0
        Scientists have already proven that there was no Trojan horse. And the Greeks were defeated at Troy.
        1. jktu66
          jktu66 2 May 2014 13: 29
          +2
          Scientists have already proven that there was no Trojan horse. And the Greeks were defeated at Troy.
          But I trust Homer more than some "scientists" wink
    4. voldmis
      voldmis 2 May 2014 12: 35
      +2
      So. The goal has already been achieved: Ukrainians began to see their main enemy in Russia.
      I disagree categorically! We always had an enemy


      Indeed, our common enemy has not changed for hundreds of years.
      But one should not underestimate the zombies of the Ukrainian population of the 23 year, and especially now! Many Ukrainians are simply victims of information propaganda. In Slavyansk there are fights, and cartoons are turning on the central Ukrainian channels! am
      1. domokl
        domokl 2 May 2014 12: 53
        +2
        Quote: voldmis
        Indeed, our common enemy has not changed for hundreds of years.
        But one should not underestimate the zombies of the Ukrainian population of the 23 year, and especially now! Many Ukrainians are simply victims of information propaganda. In Slavyansk there are fights, and cartoons are turning on the central Ukrainian channels!

        You know, one of my Ukrainian colleagues answered me the same way today ... There is a counter-terrorist operation, and Russia inflated a civil war. And I couldn’t convince him that the genocide was going on ... The standard answer for Ukrainians is you are zombified by Putin and the SMIRF ... But this is not some kind of a boy from the Maidan with an incomplete secondary ... This is a man with two towers and a very pragmatic mind ...
        We should talk about today's generation not as a zombie, but as a generation of another nation ... Not the descendants of Soviet people, but some other people ... They are even going to cleanse their parents later (I recall an article by an Odessa blogger published here). And these people no longer feel united with the Russians ...
        Somehow I watched an interesting record of a conversation between a policeman and protesters in Sevastopol. It doesn’t matter what the rallies were for, it’s important that they said. And the words literally sounded like this ... there was an answer to the words about the administrative violation - Sevastopol is a Russian city, but not Russian.
        1. Belarus
          Belarus 2 May 2014 15: 42
          +5
          As I understand it, the fact that your friend has 2 towers does not affect brain activity.
          That's when he puts his teeth on the shelf, when he climbs the trash, when he puts his two towers in one place, maybe then something comes to him.
          Although they’re lying, it will be Russia’s fault again.Well, in that case, he doesn’t have a pragmatic mindset, but he’s just a share ... intelligent.
          Excuse me.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 2 May 2014 23: 20
          0
          Quote: domokl
          This is a man with two towers

          Well, at least one "tower" should be carried out. And it turns out like in the USA two life sentences and another five years?
      2. the same cat
        the same cat 2 May 2014 13: 57
        +2
        A thinking, thinking, analyzing person cannot be a victim of propaganda! Continue? or yourself, finally, stop crying about the victims. They really like not to think, not to strain, but simply to absorb what they "carefully" put in their readily opened beak.
    5. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 2 May 2014 12: 38
      +2
      [i] [/ i]
      Quote: [i
      MIKHAN [/ i]]So. The goal has already been achieved: Ukrainians began to see their main enemy in Russia.
      I disagree categorically! We always had one enemy (only now it is more sophisticated) Most in the world have long understood this ..!

      But I agree! I agree with MIKHAN! England (and all its "derivatives") has always been the enemy of Russia (Russian World). Even in World War II, England wondered until the last moment: whether it would be possible to direct Germany against the USSR, whether to create a military alliance with Germany, and, already a very bad option, how to help the USSR so as to immediately destroy it. Having escorted the first convoy in the USSR (the first Northern convoy "Dervish" arrived in Arkhangelsk on August 31, 1941), Churchill (Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill) sat down to write his "Fulton speech". Five years before it was pronounced. The author, of course, invented the cunning of enemies with imagination. By the way: Dima Medvedev, didn't you write ?! And the horse must be taken along with the "production". And for the industry - a benefit, and firewood will be - a fat pin ... to fry the sovsky ham.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 2 May 2014 13: 03
        +1
        I think that this is just a provocation of the junta, agony, everything is already clear that the authorities are incapable and will not solve the main economic and political problems. The second is NATO, in the person of the United States, does not want to wait for the rearmament of the Russian army, all sanctions are aimed at disrupting the rearmament program, the desire to drag NATO’s European countries in the war with Russia, in addition, the United States understands that the dollar economy is gradually losing ground, which is fraught with big problems, that’s all.
    6. VAF
      VAF 2 May 2014 13: 00
      +12
      Quote: MIKHAN
      So. The goal has already been achieved: Ukrainians began to see their main enemy in Russia.


      Unfortunately, but Dear IRBIS (Alexander). Right ... article +! UNIVERSALLY drinks

      Dear Mikhan .. you just haven't been to Ukraine for a very long time (I already wrote about gradations of dividing the population into categories .. I won’t repeat).

      But the conclusions of the article ... in principle, correct, but written from the position of "pinniped" 9sanya, sorry for the frivolity drinks ).

      And here is the position of the "feathered":
      Unfortunately, in our entire history, both past and present, we NEVER took into account the experience of warfare as our own ... and God forbid .... the enemy.

      Therefore, they stuffed cones in Egypt. They used it less in Syria. But they forgot everything about Afghanistan. And so in the future .. in Chechnya they forgot what they learned in Afghanistan, but I don’t want to talk about Ossetia and ... crying

      Although the solution to the problem lies directly on the surface .... you guys-commanders .. well, take the experience of NATO in Yugoslavia.
      Especially since all the targets around Slavyansk and in Kramatorsk have been explored ... Su-24M and Su-25SM (2 regiments .. for the eyes) ... and there are no 15 thousand tanks or Grad with Smerchami. BTR with BMD.
      And the invasion of the territory of Ukraine ... no ... flew ... fallen and ... flew.
      Everything ... the junta is over.
      It takes 40 minutes for the whole operation .. from take-off to landing (for a detailed development of the task. Taking into account the programming of drives and firmware of the RSBN and RSDN, with the suspension .. maximum 3 hours).
      And all the more ... all fellow - the articles sounds .. that the maximum KVO is only 5 meters, even with the use of simple "cast iron" wink(Well, about the fact that both in KhMU and at night, and even for an invisible and maneuvering target, I am generally silent) wassat

      What we were able to "show" to NATa after and during the bombing of Yugoslavia ... nifiga request

      So what's the problem ... dear VGK ... the gut is thin or "education" (the level of training does not allow) or still ... our partners?

      Forgive me for writing so evil, but in the light of today's events and knowing how all this will end ... in a different way! soldier
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 2 May 2014 23: 30
        0
        Quote: vaf
        take the NATA experience in Yugoslavia

        It is better to use the experience of the people, which, according to V.S. Vysotsky, is "a quarter of ours," namely: on June 6, 1981, Israeli Air Force planes bombed the Osirak nuclear reactor, which was being completed at that time in Iraq. The blow was successful. It's just that many members of the forum were still learning letters.
    7. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 2 May 2014 13: 16
      0
      In war as in war. The courage of the city takes!
    8. AVV
      AVV 2 May 2014 15: 38
      0
      If the troops that have become invasive are brought in and mass killings of the population begin to be introduced, it will still have to be done, but the most important thing is that no sooner or later !!! And create conditions for the separate development of the republics and not otherwise !!! Just as Abkhazia and Ossetia are developing but for now there’s no point in talking about occurrences !!!
    9. Saburov
      Saburov 3 May 2014 05: 31
      0
      And the author did not think that there are no unsolvable situations, there is an inability to solve such situations. Troops can not be brought in, it is enough to support the South-East with weapons and equipment and insolently deny their involvement, the presence of the NDR MANPADS, RPGs and small arms, will nullify all attempts by the junta to clean up the areas, in the end, until the liquidation of the entire leadership of present-day Ukraine , along with all the oligarchs, Putin’s analysts are not just good, but the best ones work, so the author thinks very narrowly in this situation.
      PS
      Do not seem smart person, you need to be them.
  2. saag
    saag 2 May 2014 11: 00
    +7
    "... Example: where to pay pensions to three or four million pensioners, if they worked for a quarter of a century for another state?"
    Yes, this has already passed - a joint pension system, and about benefits there was such a tax on childlessness at one time
    1. domokl
      domokl 2 May 2014 12: 20
      +3
      Quote: saag
      Yes, it’s passed already - a joint pension system,

      Beautiful words ... And you asked Russian pensioners that they have enough pensions for a normal life ... But pensions are small things for the Russian economy. The economy will survive. Let it be with some strain, but it will survive ... but what about the industry? With mines? In Ukraine, nothing has been modernized in all the years of independence ... And the towns are tied to one or two enterprises ...
      After the annexation of Crimea, Putin talked about the 35-40 billion that would be needed to restore ... What do we already have now? Overlapping the water channel and the peasants will be left without a crop ... So they need to compensate for the costs ... People must live .Search for water, the construction of all these desalination plants, exploration of water and other is also not cheap ..
      Yesterday I found out interesting, unannounced news. Those who could be ordered were ordered to rest this year in Crimea ... To support the region ... So, just by the way.
      So we can’t immediately raise the economy of this region. And in this case, life there will not get better. And then the question is in the heads of the inhabitants. And why do we need this Russia?
      1. saag
        saag 2 May 2014 14: 08
        0
        As for the mines, they are technologically tied to the metallurgy of Zaporozhye, even if they continue to work in the same vein
        1. domokl
          domokl 2 May 2014 21: 23
          0
          You didn’t read my post well ... The mines have not been reconstructed since the Soviet era and now any Ukrainian miner goes to work like in a fight .. it is not known whether he will return ... Yes, and the metallurgy of Ukraine is alive just like the mines ...
      2. saag
        saag 2 May 2014 14: 10
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        .Search for water

        look and do not need, all these lenses with the union were explored
    2. Thompson
      Thompson 2 May 2014 14: 37
      -1
      Toad strangles or what? Or does the relationship of the Slavs end on this, how should I share it?
      Something Israel has accepted ALL who came to them from the USSR and Russia and ALL pensioners who have worked for the USSR and RUSSIA all their lives are paying a pension! And nothing! And the Russian language they use ...
  3. schizophrenic
    schizophrenic 2 May 2014 11: 01
    +9
    Therefore, we only need regions supporting Russia, and let the Bandera let the west choke.
  4. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 2 May 2014 11: 03
    +12
    When the troubles of Russia
    Applauds Europe
    And the filthy States.
    What do we need this freedom

    And we will do together
    Russia is different,
    To our kids
    Proud of the country.
  5. vezunchik
    vezunchik 2 May 2014 11: 03
    +9
    Ukraine has huge potential and industry. Plus the Russians. As such, there was no such country - there was the Russian Empire, there were thousands of dead Russian soldiers who fought with the Turks and gangster tribes, robbed our country and led the Russians into slavery! Therefore, its territory and its people must not be scattered. In addition, now the West and the fascist USA again want our territory and Russian slaves!
    If our so-called "ELITE" wants to surrender us, the Russian people will never be a slave!
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 2 May 2014 11: 14
      +7
      I will not give offense to Russia.

      Everything is mine here from sea to sea.

      With her, I share the joy in half,

      With her - in moments of national grief.



      Mother Russia is my one.

      I am a descendant of the working class

      The son of Russia from the first day

      Until the last hour of death.
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 2 May 2014 12: 49
      +3
      Quote: vezunchik
      Ukraine has huge potential and industry


      An interesting thought ... I remembered the meeting party. There are many general phrases without specifics. Could you "unfold" your thought?
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 2 May 2014 11: 08
    +6
    Today will be the initial consultation on gas in Poland.
    What preferences can Ukraine count on, where at that time the war begins against the Russian speakers ??
    What agreements can be relied upon when talking with Europe, if there is already nothing that has not been violated ??
    I would turn off the gas junta!
    Although today the German business has expressed Merkel and she will go to explain with the "boss" in the United States, German business is against the sanctions. They begin to see what the udots have done!
    1. saag
      saag 2 May 2014 11: 28
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      German business against sanctions. Begin to see what the Udot did!

      Yeah, against, Siemens, despite all its involvement in Russia, joined the sanctions
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 2 May 2014 13: 25
        0
        Quote: saag
        Yeah, against, Siemens, despite all its involvement in Russia, joined the sanctions

        Now I find I don’t know, but ....
        It follows from the statement of SIEMENS that they will fulfill the sanctions that the German Government may impose on Russia.
        Germany has not yet imposed economic sanctions.
      2. Cpa
        Cpa 2 May 2014 14: 20
        0
        Here, everything is clear, the Siemens Bosch concern is a forge of the NATO military-industrial complex.
      3. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 2 May 2014 15: 41
        0
        Siemens is also on the list, those who turned to Merkel about the sanctions.
  7. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 2 May 2014 11: 10
    +10
    In Ukraine, including the South-Eastern regions, there are no "polite people", and the cars and the EU "in the tail and mane" blame Russia for this mess, although they themselves arranged it. And if God forbid Russia "moves", then Russia is a TERRORIST on a global scale.
    I agree with the author 100%, except for economic aspects.
    1. tyapa1111
      tyapa1111 2 May 2014 12: 54
      +1
      It also seems to me that you need to look at the situation from all sides. And this article shows exactly the other side of the coin.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 2 May 2014 17: 27
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      I agree with the author 100%

      Fisherman, fisherman!
      Quote: Cynic
      In general, we are jerking against the great Mr.

      hi
  8. Gerurra
    Gerurra 2 May 2014 11: 10
    +14
    Good naglosaks-dead naglosaks !!!!!
  9. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 2 May 2014 11: 13
    +5
    Americans and the junta just have Tsuntsvang! In Ukraine, the United States can suffer gigantic political and economic losses, and reputational losses - to avoid the United States they set the junta in the southeast, in order to return the money spent and get a controlled mongrel (the United States will never be allowed to become a seasoned wolfhound in Ukraine!) The junta is unable to control the situation, being pushed (in the backside) by the United States only worsens the situation, falling into a tailspin spiral — No regional control — no credit, no credit — weakening regional control, Non-subordination of the army — repression of military personnel, rearrangement in command — expansion of the army again shot and rearranged, the creation of personal armies-dressing inside the junta-armed dismantling -.......
    Etc!!!
  10. Name
    Name 2 May 2014 11: 14
    +8
    Before starting, our analysts, I’m sure, went through all the options and note the Federation Council of the Russian Federation gave the green light to the use of the RF Armed Forces March 1, long before anything began in the Southeast. Say for the Crimea ... there were already enough troops there. So early comrade the author began to sing praises to the opposite side, early. hi
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck 2 May 2014 11: 44
      +1
      Quote: name
      So early comrade the author began to sing praises to the opposite side, early

      I absolutely agree.
      A move with the Crimea, it’s a prelude. The real orgasm, and the Americans and the West, have not yet known.
      The fact that we have a lively and legitimate Yanik (albeit unpopular) gives hope for a very unusual solution.hi
      1. ermolai
        ermolai 3 May 2014 05: 49
        0
        gee-gee-ga. I here presented, the gdp gives Yanyk a couple of regiments, airplanes. and as someone just said, 40 minutes, and the metallurgists, the Ukrainians, are inundated with a Receptor. and rabbits will not have armored vehicles that can move independently, and black men will write for a long time at night, however they will feel toshe regularly and during the day involuntary cramps will roll from sharp sounds
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah 2 May 2014 12: 06
      +9
      Quote: name
      fellow author began to sing praises to the opposite side

      Comrade the author correctly outlined the difficult geopolitical situation.
      Personally, it seems to me that it is too early for Russia to intervene openly in these events.
      But to help volunteers, weapons and advice is quite the time.
      Spain, 36 years old.
      Intervening directly in the situation now is an occasion for Amers to unleash a world carnage and give them a chance to get out of the ass where they are now.
      1. Name
        Name 2 May 2014 12: 24
        +2
        Quote: Onotolle
        It is too early for Russia to intervene openly in these events.

        So after all, Russia will now wait for a reaction from the West, - it is undeniable. Does anyone talk about the immediate introduction of units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. request We need to wait, no matter how cynical it looks ...
      2. Nikurov
        Nikurov 2 May 2014 12: 37
        +2
        Comment support. Weighted and without tantrum. Even in a fight you need to keep your head cool. Bravo, Onotolle.
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    3. the same cat
      the same cat 2 May 2014 12: 55
      +2
      Do not forget about such a phenomenon as agents of influence who have long laid their souls to the devil for their pocket, so they have always been and will be surrounded by those in power. Such "advisers-analysts" are on their minds ...
  11. Chifka
    Chifka 2 May 2014 11: 15
    +8
    Interesting opinion, and quite a place to be. But I don’t think that everything is so simple, and “these stupid Russians” fell for the combination masterfully developed by “Mister” so mediocre. This problem has been growing for centuries, originated long before the appearance of "Misters", and the abscess would burst sooner or later with or without them.
    The fact that the mysters are trying to use the chance is yes. But they are not gods, mowing no less than the rest. I think that with a balanced and competent policy of the Russian leadership, there is little chance of winning the Misters.
    Even though our leadership is only learning this, because over the past decades, after 1953, this science .... is, as it were, softer .... lost.
    Nothing, learn.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 2 May 2014 11: 30
      +2
      I completely agree, there is no need to make the Lord God out of "Mister".
  12. lg41
    lg41 2 May 2014 11: 15
    +1
    The author "forgot" to add to this article.
    "WHILE WE ARE ONE - WE ARE INVINCIBLE"
    "UNITY IS POWER"
    And the opposite:
    "Divide and rule"
    In these laconic words - the experience of centuries
  13. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 2 May 2014 11: 17
    +2
    There is such a saying: “never say“ never ”- everything is possible under the Moon, but the end of a generally correct article will not even give anyone discouragement - it's time to hang yourself. Dear IRBIS (Alexander), life is more prosaic and she has no time for Shakespeare's tragedies. with the fact that the dregs will rise agree, be afraid of wolves, do not go to the forest.
  14. Arkan
    Arkan 2 May 2014 11: 18
    0
    It’s time for Russia to understand that we Self-contained Power! We have everything for further growth and prosperity. The gelding does not compete with BEAR !!!
    1. scorpionship
      scorpionship 2 May 2014 12: 27
      -2
      Nonsense is complete, we have not been a self-sufficient power for a long time, although of course there is everything except our government who wants to work for the good of the Motherland (except for a few people) and Russian entrepreneurs (who want to not only get rich, but also bring themselves to the benefit of our long-suffering Motherland) . But the gelding does not compete with the Bear.
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  17. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 May 2014 11: 21
    +6
    Russophobia is not a political or nationalistic phenomenon. It is not associated with a particular party or a particular ethnic choice. First of all, Russophobia is a political shell of savagery and lack of education. Therefore, Russophobia can be both Russian and non-Russian, and Russian and non-Russian can also love Russia. It is a matter of the quality of education. Russophobia is the lot of aggressive savagery, militant ignorance, which rebel against culture and awaken the beast in a person.

    That is exactly what happens. This is due to the Russian historical mission, which is wider than any ethnism. Let's take the Baltic states or Western Ukraine. What was Russophobia expressed there? That's right, in the marches of the uninhabited SS legionnaires and other Nazi scum. They hate Russians and they are Russophobes, but is their ethnic hatred? Did the Nazis only kill Russians? Fascism fought with world culture and planetary humanity, with the norms of universal morality. Thus, we clearly see that in the Baltic states, and in Ukraine, and by the way, in my Transcaucasia, Russophobia merges irreversibly with misanthropy, with hatred in the most general sense. The stupidity of Russophobia is constitutional, because an intellectually developed person cannot be Russophobe. Take a look - which areas of Ukraine are the most economically developed, the most well-fed? Oriental, where Russophiles live. And what are the most flawed, impoverished, unpromising, subsidized? Western Ukraine, where there are many Russophobes. It turns out, not only Russophobes but also just stupid, because they are not able to establish an economic life and their own life. So I say: these Russophobes and these stupid ones are not different characters, they are the same people.
    Original source http://www.vened.org/statii/4911-rusofobiya-erapi.html
    That's something that's happening now ..
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 2 May 2014 14: 22
      0
      I completely agree that the Galician beggars simply
      stupid.
  18. optimist
    optimist 2 May 2014 11: 21
    +3
    Very good article! Definitely a plus !!! The main trouble is that the bulk of the population of both Ukraine and Russia do not understand this YET ...
    1. free
      free 2 May 2014 14: 00
      -2
      Quote: optimist
      Very good article! Definitely a plus !!! The main trouble is that the bulk of the population of both Ukraine and Russia do not understand this YET ...


      you and the author are probably the smartest! the author sings to someone else's tune! Mr. is not omnipotent, we are not fools! the author we have not all the trump cards in use!
      1. optimist
        optimist 2 May 2014 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: free
        you and the author are probably the smartest

        Firstly, do not "poke" me: we haven’t had a drink with you yet. Secondly, millions of such "clever people" like you, 100 years ago, already rolled into the ground by the tsarist authorities. The author of this article does not present himself as "the smartest": he is simply trying to look a little further and deeper than the current situation is presented by the media. Our Russian government is to blame for this situation in the first place: while the Chernomyrdins and Zurabovs, being Ukrainian ambassadors, were sharing the money with the Ukrainian oligarchs, the Americans diligently, intelligently and consistently brainwashed the Ukrainian "electorate" about independence, independence, etc. And now, as they say, "it's too late to drink Borjomi": both countries have led to a real war. Of course, you shouldn't yell "truncated, boss!" and look for a rope with soap. But it doesn't hurt to think about the essence of what is happening.
  19. yulka2980
    yulka2980 2 May 2014 11: 22
    +2
    So what does the author offer besides his conclusions? We understand that the situation is not simple. I think Putin is far from stupid, he suggested such a development
  20. 020205
    020205 2 May 2014 11: 23
    +5
    Yes, you don’t need to attach anyone to us, not the southeast or anyone else, the article is partially written correctly, it will be a complete star, at least for the economy, we simply won’t pull them, and they themselves are not eager to join, but they need help, both morally and financially, as exemplified by South Ossetia and Abkhazia
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  21. elga5
    elga5 2 May 2014 11: 25
    +2
    I didn’t learn anything new from this article. I don’t agree that Crimea was a bait. The complexity of the situation is clear. The ending of the article is significant, for me personally it’s muddy.
  22. mig31
    mig31 2 May 2014 11: 25
    +1
    How do you imagine not helping millions of people, Russian, Orthodox sisters and brothers !!! ??? who are not shameless, brazen, Bendery and other Baptist stripes of the gang sends the State Department to kill civilians ... If I continue further, I will wake up in myself and so hardly restraining anger ............
    1. saag
      saag 2 May 2014 11: 31
      +4
      and you go to Slavyansk, there really help
  23. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 2 May 2014 11: 26
    0
    Only now there is no people! There are groups of citizens who, in comparison with the population, are just a minuscule.

    and the handful that brought the fascists to power in Ukraine is even more miserable. in comparison with the Maidans, who disagree with the new fascist government, there is a whole darkness.

    So. The goal has already been achieved: Ukrainians began to see their main enemy in Russia.

    um um, disagree. Ukrainians who see in Russia the enemy is just as many, so many maydanutyh, and their minority.
    1. the same cat
      the same cat 2 May 2014 13: 30
      0
      everyone is free to err, as he is most comfortable
  24. skyil
    skyil 2 May 2014 11: 29
    +2
    In general, IRBIS is right in its own right, though there is always "BUT" and one of MONEY. The tycoons of this world will never give up their dough, they have a special mentality and there is nothing in it except hoarding and ruining competitors. So there is always at least 3-THREE ways out of any situation, GDP is capable of this (proven). yes hi
  25. Labrador
    Labrador 2 May 2014 11: 37
    +3
    I agree only that you need to be careful about decision making. But if you leave Ukraine and surrender, then self-respect will disappear for a long time.
  26. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 2 May 2014 11: 38
    +4
    Explanatory review of the state of affairs in the region of the southeast break of Ukraine! BUT...! But why does the author believe that there is only one way to solve the problem? Why not follow the path of civilized divorce on the example of the former Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia ...? Or do not take as an example the existence of ABKHAZIA, South. OSSETIA ... the existence of two states in Cyprus ... as a last resort - the same KOSOVO?
    Of course, the banderlogists will not voluntarily agree to this ... but Georgia (and its patrons and instigators from another continent) did not agree with the current situation in many ways ... I still do not agree ... DE - JURE! But DE - FACT ... do not mind! So it will be with the formation of the state of NOVOROSSIA! Yes ... we will help ... but this does not mean that all the problems of NOVOROSSIA will be a heavy burden on the Russian budget. Almost all regions ... included in the scope of possible unification in the state of NOVOROSSIYA are donors of 17-20 regions of Ukraine. If they leave Ukraine, then these subsidized regions will simply be left penniless ... and their fate will not be very enviable ... and it will quickly reach them that they must respect not only their "zapadensky ambition", but others as well .. And if we support the education of NOVOROSSIYA only by simply buying their goods, then these regions will very quickly get on their feet and will still help the metropolis ...
    And there, and before the unification of de juro is not far away!
    1. scorpionship
      scorpionship 2 May 2014 12: 35
      +2
      I completely agree. It is NOT necessary to immediately attach New Russia, but it is necessary to separate it, and at the same time Ukraine from Galicia.
  27. GRune
    GRune 2 May 2014 11: 38
    +2
    Russia has a new leader, young and daring.
    Well, not so young, and rather calculating and smart ...
    1. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA 2 May 2014 11: 51
      +1
      Quote: GRune
      Russia has a new leader, young and daring.
      Well, not so young, and rather calculating and smart ...


      This is not what I hope.
      Ukrainians are doing everything possible to provoke GDP
      But I think he will crank the combination this time too.
      to set up Sarai Tanned
  28. samuil60
    samuil60 2 May 2014 11: 44
    +4
    I know they’ll kick me now, but nothing. The author is absolutely right, he just knows more than you friends. I talked the day before yesterday with a man (patriot!), Whose wife’s sister went to her husband’s relatives in Donbass, namely, to Donetsk. To a telephone question about the situation in Ukraine, she replied (and she is a Russian and native Petersburger) that everything is calm and only some people go - for money! - rally to the executive committee. Honestly, my friend and I were in shock. But I remembered the barricades in St. Petersburg in the 91st year - it was the same there, they gave money and vodka. On the way from St. Petersburg home, to Novgorodskaya, I heard a lot of talk from truckers on this topic and involuntarily became discouraged - our people, especially young people, do not need our Russia. Everything is bad for them - bad Putin, a lousy country, and in general: according to the working class, the Americans would probably come and get things right. What to say about the business class? How can people save someone with such sentiments? We ourselves walk along the blade of a knife, people are always pleased with something, they are always wrong (2 generations of anti-patriots brought up!), The West is just waiting for this stinking swamp to swing to destroy Russia according to the Ukrainian scenario, and you are all torn into the fight. It is necessary to extinguish a powder keg in his backside. And put out urgently, otherwise it will be too late!
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    2. Nikurov
      Nikurov 2 May 2014 12: 53
      +7
      Dear Samuel 60! Starting May 4, tariffs for gas, hot water and heating are doubled throughout Ukraine, and this is on the recommendation of the IMF. So a good night's sleep and good mood of your Ukrainian relatives will disappear like morning fog.
      And then we look at their behavior. A complete shutdown of gas due to non-payments is not excluded. So sleep well. But do you wake up ....
    3. the same cat
      the same cat 2 May 2014 14: 13
      0
      Unambiguously, fully, categorically agree with you. It’s just that your reasonable opinion is out of the general tone.
  29. BlackJack
    BlackJack 2 May 2014 11: 45
    +3
    But the troops do not need to enter, now the 21st century ...
    And yet, in my deepest conviction, Washington must be destroyed !!!
    1. Nonik
      Nonik 2 May 2014 14: 24
      +2
      Quote: BlackJack
      Washington must be destroyed !!!
      Carthago delenda est, Vashingtonem delendam esse (latin) laughing (And besides this, I argue that Washington should be destroyed)
  30. hot
    hot 2 May 2014 11: 48
    +3
    whatever they say, I won’t believe that all Ukrainians see the Russian enemy! we have never been enemies and never will be! and Bandera nits are not yet all of Ukraine.
  31. Common sense
    Common sense 2 May 2014 11: 51
    +1
    When, if, all take to the streets of the southeast, then weapons will not need to be used. In the meantime, 20% are killed, and 80 at home and work, like they don’t care, then the result is obvious. There will be unity, there will be a result.
    1. the same cat
      the same cat 2 May 2014 13: 48
      0
      And no! 80% do not sit at home, they plant summer cottages, and the most elegant ones crawl out into nature (I have a forest park nearby) and .... drink there to shit, only the children don’t seem drunk.
  32. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 2 May 2014 11: 59
    0
    There is such a situation in chess - zugzwang, when any move leads to a loss. We are driven into this position, persistently slipping the Trojan Horse.

    There is a third way, this is the creation of a separate state. There has already been such a precedent in our history; this is the Far Eastern Democratic Republic (Far Eastern Republic).

    The Far Eastern Republic (FER) (April 6 1920 - November 15 1922) is an officially independent and democratic state formation with a capitalist structure in the economy, proclaimed in the territory of Transbaikalia and the Russian Far East. In fact, it was a “buffer” state between Soviet Russia and Japan

    Since at that time the war with Japan was extremely undesirable, Soviet Russia created an independent buffer state.
    I think this is a good answer to Mr..
  33. bubla5
    bubla5 2 May 2014 12: 02
    +2
    A provocative article prepares us in advance for non-interference in the affairs of the southeast, we just need to arm people like in Spain and all 1-2 months and the whole conflict will be settled
  34. Semenov
    Semenov 2 May 2014 12: 05
    +2
    Putin somewhere mentioned Novorossiya - that’s what it will be. On the Russian side, only one thing is required - providing the republic with work and markets, but it is there that the production of the military-industrial complex is located, which is closely tied to the military-industrial complex and industry of Russia. Without ballast for the rest of Ukraine, Novorossia will be able to make a huge economic leap. On the other hand, the rejection of ties with Russia will entail massive unemployment in this area, and this is a social explosion. The war was inevitable and will last either until the formation of a buffer self-sufficient republic, or until the destruction of the entire industrial base.
  35. staryivoin
    staryivoin 2 May 2014 12: 07
    0
    Unfortunately, history repeats itself. At the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the Germans were still shouting loudly, "If the whole world lies in ruins, to hell we don't give a damn about that !!!"
    This is a WESTERN psychology, and their mentality is vaccinated for 5 billion dollars to Ukraine.
    We really hope that Moscow will not flog a fever ...
    Judging by what appears on the network, Naglivaychenko does not have everything going smoothly ... there is no significant success in the ATO, but the time (deadline for the completion of 03.05) is running out. We wish to tear their dill, more burned turntables and armored vehicles on the side of the advancing. And this will be a worthy response to Kiev mattress covers !!!
  36. Arh
    Arh 2 May 2014 12: 11
    +1
    It is necessary to destroy this virus !!!))) laughing am bully
  37. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 May 2014 12: 18
    0
    In the forty-first, too, they endured provocations for a long time, restrained themselves, did not intervene! What happened then, everyone knows! And now, behind the hillock, apparently illusions were born that it was time to deal with Russia and finally take it in hand — who was dreaming of! And as always with the wrong hands! Do their brains swim every 60-80 years?
    1. kush62
      kush62 2 May 2014 12: 56
      0
      In 41, they also suffered provocations, but for some reason they believed that the matter would not reach the war. Now we do not believe 100%. Therefore, everything is ready. There would be a team. X hour has not come yet.
      Remember the conflict with China. But we did not throw the entire Soviet army into a showdown.
  38. MG42
    MG42 2 May 2014 12: 21
    +4
    In Kharkiv yesterday, at a rally, two Ukrainian flags were burned on Svoboda Square, and 2 correspondents of Amero Radio Liberty were beaten, although the girl who did not cover her face was already detained by the police, yesterday night again 3 leaders of the Kharkiv anti-Maidan ubopists were detained. The junta apparently decided to jail everyone, the cops in disorder yesterday arrived from Kiev to detain 70 people on the first break, but the local police are not very eager to fight anyway
    dismiss all Avaks anyway.
    1. MG42
      MG42 2 May 2014 12: 39
      +3
      however this crap does not burn well >>
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 2 May 2014 19: 12
        +1
        Quote: MG42
        however, this crap burns badly

        does not burn and does not sink laughing
  39. scorpionship
    scorpionship 2 May 2014 12: 40
    +1
    I agree with the author of the article, but for some reason he does not consider the option of creating New Russia and Ukraine as independent states (so far independent, so far at least relative to New Russia), and in what way they will not depend, there are many options.
  40. vvkroxa
    vvkroxa 2 May 2014 12: 42
    +6
    I disagree strongly with most points in the article. I live in Kharkov. The city is operating normally. And no need here about pensioners than to feed them, etc. Nobody swells with hunger, cars on the roads didn’t even decrease with such a price for gasoline, trams run. Shish kebabs for May did not eat less. Southeast is self-sufficient. We need a little fresh blood in the economy in the form of not even money but orders, to remove the zapadensky parasites and immediately a big movement will begin with all the ensuing consequences. most in the east are now on standby, as there is no leader and no clear goals. Of course, there are zombies, but there are few of them, opinions are different and not all ripe for federalization, but most of this ukrovzdroch for 23 years, to put it mildly, tired.
    1. the same cat
      the same cat 2 May 2014 13: 42
      0
      It is precisely that there is NOT A SINGLE at least something significant, noticeable, I can’t say a charismatic personality. Unfortunately, the troubled times did not put forward their Minins and Pozharsky, but endured a muddy stream of muddy ones.
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 2 May 2014 14: 11
        +1
        Pozharsky ceded the throne to the Cossacks and the Romanovs so that the massacre would not begin. Since the NATO officials handed diplomas to the SBU, there will not be and will not be the leader we all need. They will not let us go.
  41. staryivoin
    staryivoin 2 May 2014 12: 44
    +4
    I especially do not like the phrase from the article "... However, the Russian Bear, although he is terminally ill ..." the author as determined by the imposed sanctions and the exchange rate in exchange offices, or what? So this is not a fact yet. Our Nabiulina has nabiulina everyone. But this is the problem of the Central Bank and the Min finan. And the Bear doesn't die at all. Like a wise and cunning animal, he is waiting in the wings. A bear will very rarely take poison, it will repeat itself as a very cunning beast (there was such a magazine in Soviet times "Hunting and hunting economy", the author should read it).
    And if NATO accepts the Ukrops into its ranks, it is not a fact that after this procedure it will not get fatally ill and will not fall apart. Moreover, some people there would not at all want to see Ukraine. But its territory, as a possible bridgehead and theater of military operations, remote from the Champs Elysees, Buckingham Palaces, and even more so from the Capitol, is just right for them. But this is already the choice of the people of Ukraine, let them become a target for everyone. They want to go to the EU, but they are expensive. Only when those who compose anti-Russian verses and dance to the shouts "about her" lie down or bend over under the NATO soldiers, go to brothels in Europe to earn pennies, maybe then they will scratch the place they thought in the anti-Russian and anti-Slavic frenzy.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 2 May 2014 14: 16
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      Quote: staryivoin
      I especially do not like the phrase from the article "... However, the Russian Bear, although he is terminally ill ..." the author as determined by the imposed sanctions and the exchange rate in exchange offices, or what?

      All the countries of the former CIS secretly think so, saying that they cannot afford ambition. The trouble is that everyone expects Russia to fall apart and warm its hands with fraternal Poles, Turks, Romanians, Hizbahs, Japanese and Chinese.
  42. 1536
    1536 2 May 2014 12: 45
    +2
    If we talk about the "Trojan horse", then he came to us a long time ago, along with inserts in Russian passports to visit this "country", with Ukrainian TV channels on our TV with propaganda of misanthropy, with leaders with Ukrainian surnames and mentality leading a double-triple the game and pumping money from Russia to Western banks. Crimea, no matter how hard the Western and our media try to present it to us, this is not "part of the bait", and not a cleverly played chess game, no, this is the living expression of the will of the Russian people against which the international behind-the-scenes is powerless, no matter what disguises it is was hiding. And all these phone calls with the discussion of the Crimean issue consisted, I think, in one thing: "Why did you agree to the inclusion of Crimea in the Russian Federation? We did not agree so!" Answer: "Do you want me, as your Musolini, to be hanged on the square for me ... tsa? And then what will you do with these people?" The east of Ukraine, alas, is not Crimea. There is no such unity and unity of the Russians, there is no Russian fleet at the end. We can only hope that the scumbags from Kiev will break the wood and become so odious that everyone will have to agree to the introduction of UN troops to end the civil war and prevent genocide. So I would be more careful with Trojan horses.
  43. staryivoin
    staryivoin 2 May 2014 12: 53
    +1
    I’ll add a little, the West wants to maintain the unitarity of Ukraine, and in its blindness does not see that it is tearing it apart.
    From new jokes about Ukraine
    "Ukraine: - We will never become brothers!
    Russia calmly answered: - And I know about it, sister.
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  45. sv68
    sv68 2 May 2014 13: 01
    0
    how many people have so many opinions, but only the author didn’t think that using those supposedly to lure Crimea, those who decided to drag Russia deeper into the conflict just elementarily gave us a stratgic territory to deploy the fleet, if this gift is supposedly part of the plan, then the whole plan is just a soap bubble. the author is too thickened paints and pulled a lot over the ears but minus the well-deserved I did not put you
    1. zao74
      zao74 2 May 2014 16: 08
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      This is not a gift, Russia will tear the West for Crimea, but here's how to use the lure ...
  46. 222222
    222222 2 May 2014 13: 03
    +2
    To the author .. Brzezinski in the preface to his book "
    "The Great Chessboard American Dominance and Its Geostrategic Imperatives"
    Posted by:
    "To my students -
    to help them
    shape the world
    tomorrow. "
    ... be lazy to write articles on similar topics ..

    http://royallib.ru/book/bgezinskiy_zbignev/velikaya_shahmatnaya_doska.html
  47. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 2 May 2014 13: 03
    +4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    So. The goal has already been achieved: Ukrainians began to see their main enemy in Russia.
    I disagree categorically! We always had one enemy (only now it is more sophisticated) Most in the world have long understood this ..!

    The article reflects the current state of affairs. Most of Ukraine is opposed to Russia, whether we want to see it or not, but this is a fact. But not all is lost, in this bedlam the GRU can quite effectively work, prepare the ground for a new government more loyal to Russia, destroy equipment ready to seize S / V, thin out the "right sector", this is their job.
  48. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 2 May 2014 13: 11
    +2
    The author of the article seems to be right. Unfortunately, you can’t climb to the South-East. But besides the direct entry of troops, there are other possibilities of assistance. Armament, food, medicine. No one will prohibit volunteers from legally participating in the defense of the people.
  49. g1v2
    g1v2 2 May 2014 13: 14
    +1
    The article has a couple of real ideas, but the conclusions in my opinion are incorrect. Yes, the Americans dream of arranging for us to have Vietnam in Ukraine, but if we do not intervene, we will get a completely hostile state that will harm us for years. It must be understood that our goal is not a couple of regions, but the whole of Ukraine. This does not mean that it is necessary to include it in Russia, but it is necessary to tear it out of the clutches of the United States. Now our enemies have seized power and it is vital to throw them away. I believe that at the same time everything should be done by the hands of the Ukrainians themselves, who do not agree to live under the junta. The best option in my opinion is Egyptian, that is, a pro-Russian military coup with the participation of alpha, golden eagle, army men and Donetsk residents. At the same time, we do not get the 5th column and we can influence the politics of Ukraine, and anti-Russian sentiments without constant propaganda of the West will sharply decrease. People’s moods change easily. For example, many who praise the GDP here, sprayed saliva on him 2 years ago, so that not everything is lost in Ukraine.
  50. the same cat
    the same cat 2 May 2014 13: 15
    +3
    The article is controversial in places, but in essence correct. Listen to the Russian who, by the will of fate, lived 60 years in Ukraine. Thinking people are always a small percentage of the nation, and the rest are purple, if only there was something to eat. So, from Ukraine, as from a political project conceived by ambitious Poland for themselves, the Jesuits will never give up I am an archivist and librarian, on duty I have always monitored the flow of information and saw how sometimes clumsy, ("The more monstrous a lie, the faster they will believe in it" Goebbels) sometimes subtly, but a lobotomy of the Ukrainian people was carried out. So the point of no return has been passed. When there is such an unrighteous struggle against the Russians, it is not a sin for them to think about themselves. "It is easier for people to pay for evil than for good. Because gratitude is a burden, and revenge is pleasure" (I do not remember who said) And the countries for which Russian brothers (at the right, difficult moment) gave their lives and their attitude is just an illustration to the last quote.