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Atomic blackmailA few days ago, the International Union of Veterans of Nuclear Energy and Industry issued a statement in which it was noted that the use of nuclear fuel of American manufacture at Ukrainian NPPs with Soviet-type reactors installed is not provided for a technical project and does not meet safety requirements. The statement appeared because the Ukrainian Energoatom and the American company Westinghouse agreed to extend the contract for the supply of nuclear fuel to 2020.


"Only by a miracle ..."

As recalled RIA News", several years ago, the fuel elements of the production of this very “Westinghouse” were depressurized at the Czech Temelin nuclear power plant, and the Czech Republic then refused the services of the named supplier. Later, in 2012-2013, disruptions in the operation of American-made fuel assemblies were recorded at two units of the South-Ukrainian NPP due to the design flaws of the same “Westinghouse”.

“We believe that only a miracle at the South Ukrainian NPP didn’t cause an accident because of this fuel,” the statement of the International Union of Veterans of Nuclear Energy and Industry noted.

Recently, Energoatom and Westinghouse signed an agreement, which nuclear veterans rightly called cynical: “This decision is cynical because it was made almost on the eve of the next mournful date - the 28 anniversary of the global accident at the Chernobyl NPP that occurred in the result of such an irresponsible experiment on a working reactor. For the sake of political conjuncture, the life and health of millions of people not only in Ukraine, but throughout Europe, are now at risk. ”

We turn to a balanced opinion of the experts.

Political blackmail

The decision of Ukraine to use American-made fuel at nuclear power plants looks like political blackmail, says Boris Kalin, head of the department of physical problems in materials science at MEPhI, whose words RIA News".

“In order to load a new fuel into the reactor, you need to be licensed. And since this has not been done, it will be the main obstacle that will disturb not only the Russian scientific community, but also the IAEA, because it is a violation of the holy of holies of atomic energy, ”said Kalin. Moreover, according to the expert, it is necessary to license the fuel only with the consent of the designers of the reactors of the nuclear power plants, and these are Russian specialists.

Comrade Kalin noted: “In this situation, we see complete disregard for the requirements of radiation safety. I think that the Ukrainian authorities will never make such a decision, because their specialists will not allow it. This is just political blackmail. If, God forbid, they make such a decision, they will be accountable to the world community. A normal person cannot do that. ”

The expert is, of course, right. Abnormally the very pursuit of politics ahead of the economy, and when politics are caught up by the “specialists” from Westinghouse, this means one thing: some people have decided to make a real nuclear testing ground out of Ukraine. By the way, the latter assumption has penetrated the press not only from A. Muzychko, who has learned something about the atomic secrets of the new rulers in Kiev. Now there are quite "official" news about this theme.

Ukrainian burial ground

Leonid Savin ("Fund of Strategic Culture") recalls that on April X, the interim government of Ukraine issued a decree on the allocation of land with a total area of ​​23 ha (between the villages of Staraya Krasnaya, Buryakovka, Chistogalovka and Stechanka) for the construction of the Central spent nuclear fuel repository in the alienation zone of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. This was said by the president of the Ukrainian "Energoatom" Yuri Nedashkovsky.

The new order provides for the entry into the storage of spent fuel from VVER-type reactors from three nuclear power plants: Khmelnytsky, Rovno, South Ukraine. For the time being, SNF is transported for temporary storage in Russia with subsequent reprocessing at the FSUE “Mining and Chemical Combine” (Krasnoyarsk Territory) and FSUE “PO“ Mayak ”(Chelyabinsk Region).

The analyst also recalls that, according to the secret agreements of the new Ukrainian government with European partners, Ukraine will store nuclear waste from the EU. There was information that “certain people in Kiev have already received the promised bribe for this”.

Finally, the author points out that Westinghouse is a member of the US-Ukraine Business Council (US-Ukraine Business Council, USUBC). The president of this Council, Morgan Williams, who has been working in Ukraine since the middle of the 1990s, said the other day:

“For Ukraine, energy and political independence are closely interrelated. I join all USUBC members and make a toast to the success of these two great companies - members of the Council, as we all work to help Ukraine on its way to Euro-Atlantic integration and strong democratic statehood. ”


This Mr. Williams, the analyst writes, is known as a lobbyist in Ukraine for the interests of Shell, Chevron and ExxonMobil. He is also associated with Freedom House, the organization responsible for the “color revolutions” in Eurasia, North Africa and Latin America.

So, “strong, democratic statehood” in Ukraine becomes nuclear statehood. And Russia, apparently, should be afraid of Chernobyl 2.0 near its borders. It turns out that the Americans in one fell swoop of two birds with one stone — and an atom scares Russia, and occupy their labor force. Well, both corporate bosses and their lobbyists will be enriched. And the lobbyists of Westingazu are strong: it is known that Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, lobbied for the interests of this company in Europe (although unsuccessfully). Here is such a high level. Therefore, there is no doubt: in Ukraine, this company will certainly pass and will do whatever it wishes there.

Everything goes according to plan

“Ukraine renewed its contract with the American company Westinghouse for the supply of nuclear fuel and expects another batch of assemblies by the end of this year,” writes Inna Koval, a journalist for the Ukrainian editorial board. "Forbes".

December 2014 - January 2015 in the course of scheduled preventive maintenance, the first batch of fuel modified by Westinghouse (TVS-WR) will be loaded into the third power unit of the South-Ukrainian NPP. As for the approvals, they will be received from the State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate of Ukraine.

The journalist quotes Sergei Kondratyev, head of the economic department of the Institute of Energy and Finance Fund: “In general, the experience of using fuel assemblies produced by the Westinghouse in Soviet-type reactors is rather negative. There were certain incidents at nuclear power plants in the Czech Republic, after which the Czechs decided to abandon these assemblies. The same kind of incidents occurred in Ukraine itself in the 2012 and 2013 years. Following the results of the incidents that took place, it was also decided to refuse to cooperate and fully return to the contract with Rosatom.

Forbes appealed to two specialists of the State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate of Ukraine. It turned out that this inspection did not accept any documents related to the ban on the use of Westinghouse fuel. On the contrary, in the 2012 year, GIYARU decided to continue the pilot operation of the TVS-W fuel.

As for the quality of the assemblies, there are claims to both Russian and American. Russian assembly very bent, sometimes more than stated in their data sheet. Bend and American. But the Russians also refuse. “Every fuel of the new modification has problems. Westinghouse makes square assemblies for its reactors, here we ordered hexagons for them. And "Westinghouse" began to refine. Similarly, the Russians: every new modification, in this case, TVSA, needs some work. But the Russians still have “failures”, TVELs are leaking, ”notes Olga Kosharnaya, Ph.D., lead researcher at the National Institute for Strategic Studies (Ukraine).

Also in the material it is reported that the fuel elements of the company "Westinghouse" in the assemblies were always tight. The release of radioactive fission products from them was not recorded.

Further, it is noted that after the incidents with the American fuel, Energoatom acquired a stand for the inspection of the Westinghouse cassettes, at which an in-depth survey of the state of the assemblies was conducted. The Russian side was invited to research, but the experts could not come. Today, according to Forbes, 66 of TVS-W and 97 Russian TVEL assemblies is operating at SUNPP.

The article also mentions the argument that is usually given by the side that is against the Westinghouse. Speech on the further disposal of spent nuclear fuel. After all, the Russian SNF is sent to Russia. The journalist cites the words of Mikhail Umants, advisor to the general director of the NSC “Kharkov Institute of Physics and Technology”: “Neither the West nor America will accept spent nuclear fuel. And Russia is someone else's spent fuel, in all likelihood, too. And if it does not accept, then our units will work as much as possible to supply spent nuclear fuel to the pre-reactor storage facilities — not even the storage facilities, but the pre-reactor pools. How much they are now filled is not known. Therefore, it is impossible to answer the question of how long nuclear reactors will work in this case. This is one of the risks that need to be addressed only in a comprehensive manner. ”

Further, Forbes announces the decision of the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers on April 23, which allowed Energoatom to develop a land management project of 45,2 ha in the Chernobyl nuclear power plant alienation zone. By the middle of May (!), The American company Holtec will provide a plan for further steps in the implementation of the project. And by the end of 2017, the storage facility will already receive the first batch of spent fuel.

Here we add that called "Holtec", like "Westinghouse", is included in the US-Ukraine Business Council (USUBC), the one that is headed by M. Williams, a specialist in Ukraine, and color revolutions.

Well, in the United States they don’t see any problems with Westinghouse and its activities in Ukraine.

No problem!

On a specialized resource Power Engineering International An article by D. Williams, editor of the international news section, appeared in which he quotes Hans Korteweg, a representative of Westinghouse. This person answered “Power Engineering International” when asked about the compatibility of Ukrainian NPPs with American fuel.

The representative of Westinghouse refuted the statement of Russian nuclear scientists that the fuel used by the company is incompatible with Ukrainian nuclear power plants. According to Korgevega, this claim has no basis.

Mr Korteweg said that Westinghouse had proved that its fuel was fully compatible with reactors operated in Ukraine (it was a nuclear power plant in southern Ukraine).

And those questions that allegedly arose in southern Ukraine because of the fuel of the “Westinghouse” represent the fruit of premature and erroneous judgments. There were no problems associated with the Westinghouse fuel, in fact, explained the company representative.

As for the Czech Temelin NPP, the problems that were noticed by 10 years ago were resolved. Everything is fixed.

* * *


So, everything is fine, beautiful marquise. It is clear from American statements that Westinghouse has zero atomic problems, and therefore, at the end of 2014, it can load the first batch of its fuel into the third unit of the South-Ukrainian NPP.

As for the American "production wastes", they will be buried on 45,2 hectares in the exclusion zone of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. By mid-May, 2014, another American company, Holtec, will provide a project implementation plan. In 2017, the repository should take the first batch of spent fuel.

Recall in conclusion that both Holtec and Westinghouse are members of the US-Ukraine Business Council, chaired by Mr. M. Williams, a great specialist in Ukraine and in color revolutions.

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  1. SHILO
    SHILO 1 May 2014 09: 41
    +33
    What with fuel, what with waste storage containers from Holtek problems. Ukraine stupidly dumped in the burial ground.
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic 1 May 2014 09: 59
      0
      Quote: SHILO
      Ukraine stupidly dumped in the burial ground

      Mattresses are not fools, they can keep the assembly price lower, and the rest is the problem of Ukraine, Russia and Europe. !
      1. atalef
        atalef 1 May 2014 10: 11
        -19%
        Quote: schizophrenic
        Mattresses are not fools, they can keep the assembly price lower, and the rest is the problem of Ukraine, Russia and Europe. !

        Russia is definitely not.
        maybe earlier spent fuel was returned to Russia. will now remain in Ukraine.
        What's bad about it ?
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic 1 May 2014 10: 32
          +22
          Quote: atalef
          What's bad about it

          So for processing, and the volume of waste was significantly reduced and part of the fuel went back to the station. So we can expect replenishment of living creatures.
          1. clidon
            clidon 1 May 2014 17: 29
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            That processing really was not so much. Basically, it also went to sedimentation tanks.
          2. 9lvariag
            9lvariag 1 May 2014 19: 18
            +2
            You forgot about the gas tank explosion at the same plant in Chelyabinsk in the Black Rocks, where the infection zone was 72 km away.
            1. clidon
              clidon 1 May 2014 20: 06
              +2
              A waste tank exploded at the Mayak chemical plant in 1957 ...
        2. serega.fedotov
          serega.fedotov 1 May 2014 10: 38
          +23
          Quote: atalef
          maybe earlier spent fuel was returned to Russia. will now remain in Ukraine.

          The bad news is that as a result of political "leaps" we can get a second Chernobyl! If, of course, as a result, Lviv and half of Europe will "shine", I do not mind! But EVERYONE will get it!
          One hope is at the end of the year! And I hope during this time "either the donkey or the padishah will die"!
        3. mamont5
          mamont5 1 May 2014 10: 40
          +21
          Quote: atalef
          What's bad about it ?


          The main "bad" thing is that if it shies again in Ukraine, it will not seem like enough to anyone. Ukraine simply will not exist - there will be a Zone. So both Europe and our European regions will be grabbed in full. And the forces to eliminate the consequences of the accident are no longer the same as in the USSR.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 1 May 2014 14: 20
            +11
            Sorry for the off-top repeat :

            ... Militias of the self-defense forces in Sloviansk released two of the three special forces of the Alpha unit of the SBU of Ukraine in exchange for their supporters, the headquarters of the self-defense forces told Interfax.
            The representative of the self-defense forces said that they managed to agree with the opposite side on the exchange of two special forces for supporters of federalization. An agreement was reached with the liberated commandos on their non-participation in military operations in the south-east of the country ...


            zinc - http://www.interfax.ru/world/374546
            1. badger1974
              badger1974 4 May 2014 17: 42
              +1
              SLAVIC ETERNAL SLAVA- a question, ours already trusted you? our Crimean boys?
          2. smart Fox
            smart Fox 1 May 2014 15: 02
            +10
            Add the production of shale gas, with a completely barbaric technology and production and - hi, Ukrainians will be listed in the Red Book.
            Where does the IAEA look, or were they bought there too?
          3. yulka2980
            yulka2980 2 May 2014 09: 17
            +4
            But the Russians will be guilty again! As if they "overlooked" the "younger brother"! fool
        4. VAF
          VAF 1 May 2014 12: 23
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          What's bad about it ?


          Study the "wind rose" over the territory of Ukraine in the Kiev region, then see what areas have come under .. "pollution" on the territory of the Russian Federation .. and this is just one Chernobyl.
          And here an ordinary "dump" of this waste is offered ... so to speak ... in an open way belay
          1. atalef
            atalef 1 May 2014 12: 30
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            Quote: vaf
            Quote: atalef
            What's bad about it ?


            Study the "wind rose" over the territory of Ukraine in the Kiev region, then see what areas have come under .. "pollution" on the territory of the Russian Federation .. and this is just one Chernobyl.
            And here an ordinary "dump" of this waste is offered ... so to speak ... in an open way belay


            Sergey, hi, well, you really don’t know. that nuclear repositories are built in accordance with the standards and are under the control of the IAEA, I’m not talking about the basic rule --- returning spent fuel to the country of origin --- a mandatory rule.
            whole article is empty talk
            people just want to. so that Ukraine would continue to buy fuel in Russia, of course, with subsequent burial where? Right in the country of manufacture.
            1. VAF
              VAF 1 May 2014 13: 36
              +7
              Quote: atalef
              Well, do not you know. that nuclear repositories are being built in accordance with the standards and are under the control of the IAEA


              Sasha, welcome drinks As they say .. "... well, you damn .. give it"? belay Where are the eggs. and where is the IAEA wassat in the best case, they will throw trains with wagons, in the worst ... pour it right into the pits and fill it with ordinary earth .. or dump it into the shafts of the mines ... (as they did in Snezhny wassat ).
              And about replacing the fuel of nuclear power plants ... try pouring aviation BK-115 into your engine (if gasoline) ... wassat
              And the people just want to more or less live "safely" ... and so .... you need to go on an excursion between Chelyabinsk and Sverdlovsk .. 100 km from Chelyaba (you will see a lot of .. "interesting" crying ), and after all, everything with security is practically on good
              1. postman
                postman 3 May 2014 04: 37
                0
                Quote: vaf
                and so .... you need a tour between Chelyabinsk and

                Snezhinsk?
                1. shvm1808
                  shvm1808 3 May 2014 12: 07
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                  Ozersk (Fortieth)
            2. xtur
              xtur 1 May 2014 17: 54
              +9
              > that nuclear repositories are built in accordance with the standards and are under the control of the IAEA, not to mention the basic rule - the return of spent fuel to the country of origin - a mandatory rule.

              Can you tell me by chance how many regiments are under the IAEA? So, this organization in the interests of controlling the movement of fissile materials, he just shifts pieces of paper from place to place and she doesn’t make any decisions of a binding nature, and she has no opportunities to enforce her decisions.
              For 20 years, after restarting the station in 1994, the ANPP spent fuel has been collected in an open repository, waiting for the times when it can be transported to Russia, and this is a fairly standard solution. And the estimated lifetime of the repository is 50 years.

              > the whole article is empty chatter

              The article is written extremely professionally, just for this you need to know the materiel, at least read the ABY and OPB, they are partially publicly available. The article clearly states that all serious changes in the boundaries of the reactor vessel and the entire I-o control should be agreed with the designers / constructors

              there can be no more serious change in the boundaries of the reactor vessel, and indeed the entire I-o control, than a change in nuclear fuel.

              PS. here is a link to my other post on how to protect the burial grounds - http://topwar.ru/46094-atomnyy-shantazh.html#comment-id-2433750
              1. xtur
                xtur 1 May 2014 20: 49
                +7
                Any serious changes in the boundaries of the I-th circuit should be agreed with the designers / designers, and there can be no more serious change in these boundaries than a change in nuclear fuel

                For example, with the ability of a fuel to withstand a certain rate of change in power, standards from Technical regulations stations at the permitted rate of change of power. The ability of a fuel to withstand a certain pressure, pressure drops, temperature and thousands of other parameters in various modes of normal operation. Technical Regulations stations is a top-level regulatory document for each station, its violation is unacceptable
                And the behavior of the station at various nuclear accidents directly related to fuel behavior - in a word, only the designer has the right to certify fuel for use at stations

                I remember the Americans tried to bind their relap to VVER, clogging it with known data, but they were still not enough to obtain reliable station behavior.

                there can only be one conclusion - Russia must forcibly take control of Ukrainian nuclear power plants with its paratroopersAttempts to use non-certified fuel in reactors are more than enough for this, this is more than a serious reason.
                it fits into the proclaimed need to protect the life of compatriots if there is a threat to it
              2. atalef
                atalef 4 May 2014 13: 21
                +1
                Quote: xtur
                there can be no more serious change in the boundaries of the reactor vessel, and indeed the entire I-o control, than a change in nuclear fuel.

                Tell it to the Iranians (Bujscher Nuclear Power Plant) where the Siemens reactor was converted to Russian fuel. I'm not saying that the station was altered in general, which was mothballed for more than 20 years.
                And this is without any agreement with Siemens.
                1. badger1974
                  badger1974 4 May 2014 17: 50
                  0
                  let's not scratch, Siemens seized the initiative from Ukraine on steam generators, and Ukraine failed this project, just as the tank "scimitar" failed, and .... yes everything failed, the failed state, with failed people, it’s a pity the remaining minds are dying
            3. postman
              postman 3 May 2014 04: 36
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              - return of spent fuel to the country of the manufacturer --- binding rule .

              THIS IS NOT TRUE. NO such a rule. And not everything is as you think.

              1. There is (for IRAN) a strict IAEA rule-returning spent fuel back to the Russian Federation. This condition (+ one more) is completely excluded use of Russian fuel for any other purpose.
              What Rosatom does (preferential "" market conquest regime) is not a rule
              Order of the Government of the Russian Federation of October 15, 1998 N 1483-r on acceptance for processing of a limited amount of spent nuclear fuel from the Republic of Hungary was declared invalid

              The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation upheld the statement of T. and M.: recognized
              invalid order of the Government of the Russian Federation from
              October 15, 1998 N 1483-p. The cassation board of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation on May 21, 2002, upheld the decision.

              The decision of these departments of July 16, 1997 provides for the admission to
              as an exception, spent nuclear fuel from Paks NPP in
              the number of 3550 spent assemblies in transition under conditions
              previous practice i.e. no subsequent return
              cured radioactive waste and processed products in
              The Republic of Hungary.


              2. The spent fuel rods will be removed from the Fukushima NPP reactor .... and placed in water tanks .. And? and to America not lucky
        5. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 1 May 2014 12: 49
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          What's bad about it ?

          And you look at the map where it is located.
          So there are problems with the sarcophagus at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, they are still tricking the guests ... I’m sure that the waste will be disposed of with all possible and impossible violations, the main thing is a penny in the pocket, overseas stole ...
          So, do not flatter yourself atalef, Israel is not so far away!
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 1 May 2014 13: 05
            +11
            Washington has long been persuading Kiev to abandon cooperation with Russia [/ b] in favor of the American company Westinghouse.
            Experts have always talked about the incompatibility of technologies, but there were still people willing to feed Russian stations with American fuel. Previously, the Czech Republic tried it, but after a failure (officially in 2010), the Czechs refused Venstigauz. But Yusch bought American fuel and began to feed them the Yuzhnoukrainskaya station. She endured until 2012, until the "atomic big macs" almost vomited her. Only the emergency gastric lavage helped. [b] All fresh American fuel from the womb of the station was urgently taken out, and the State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate of Ukraine immediately banned the use of fuel from Westinghouse [/ b].

            But that was "in a past life" ...
            Now the temporary workers in Kiev - those who are sitting at the levers and buttons now, those who are responsible for the political Chernobyl, have again focused on the Americans. A contract with Westinghouse for the supply of fuel until 2020 is being molded.
            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            do not flatter yourself atalef, to Israel is not so far!

            He does not flatter himself - he has contracts with the relevant structures overseas, where he receives a salary for "work" in the VO ...

            "Washington has been persuading for a long time"...
            "atalef" also SPEAKS. He is simply forced to sail the same course as his employers.
            Otherwise, they will expel on ...
        6. voldmis
          voldmis 1 May 2014 13: 39
          +6
          Russia is definitely not.
          maybe earlier spent fuel was returned to Russia. will now remain in Ukraine.
          What's bad about it ?


          Everything is bad here! Firstly, we are being pushed away from the supply of our fuel; secondly, there will be no one to process used American fuel and it will remain in Ukraine; thirdly, the safety of American fuel in our reactors is of great concern; fourthly, it all happens near us.
        7. xtur
          xtur 1 May 2014 17: 32
          +6
          > What's wrong with that?

          To understand what’s bad, it’s enough to simply compare how such burial grounds are protected on the territory of countries with slightly more sane governments than Ukrainians. On the ANPP The burial ground is located in the territory, which is specially guarded by a whole regiment. Where is the battle-worthy regiment in hohland today?

          Ukraine is an uncontrolled zone on which anything could happen. For example, they can rob the burial grounds, fill up with stolen fuel and shoot towards the Russian border.
        8. 9lvariag
          9lvariag 1 May 2014 19: 16
          +9
          The bad thing is that the entire territory of Polesie is sandstones that are well watered. You understand what I mean - these are very fragile soils. And Chernobyl itself, not far from Pripyat and the Dnieper! Do you at least understand what will happen, God forbid, if spent nuclear fuel and fission products get into groundwater. For edification, watch the video - "The Chernobyl sarcophagus in the rain inside" and you will understand what I mean. Even the "Shelter-1 object" itself is a delayed bomb on the territory of Ukraine. And it's not even a matter of radiation. The fact is that for some reason everyone forgets that the transurans themselves and their salts are poisons for all living things! :( And our Dnieper flows into all over Ukraine and into the Black Sea.
        9. badger1974
          badger1974 4 May 2014 17: 37
          0
          Explain, how is it - Israel is pursuing a policy of "nuclear non-transparency"? that is, if you put all your RF megatons into the states, then Israel will become like a naked virgin, but not?
      2. Jrvin
        Jrvin 1 May 2014 11: 07
        +7
        By the way, not everything is so sad, we have the technology for building fast neutron reactors, the fuel is spent fuel (naturally specially prepared) from ordinary nuclear power plants ... that is, it receives all the fuel that we give and take back; it's like buying a kilogram of sweets, and then return the chocolate from these sweets. Russian reactors like BN-600, BN-800 are our hope and know-how, no one has this ... in this direction we are ahead of the rest.
        1. blackberry
          blackberry 1 May 2014 13: 36
          +4
          Quote: Jrvin
          nobody has this ... in this direction we are ahead of the rest.

          IMHO - not the case when being first is good. Just the opposite. Here everyone is worried about security, and the first is the first, by definition of accumulated practice, less than previous versions. As far as I remember, Fukushima has an active security system, which could not work only under the scenario, the probability of which is almost 1 / million. I don’t remember the numbers, meaning - less than extremely unlikely. But then it happened. But the passive security system also has some probabilistic limits, no? In general, agitation in this matter does not work, because they have already seen it. And not on TV. Many of us went to liquidation. And then we saw what happened to them over time. Improve, but do not put experiments on us.
          1. xtur
            xtur 1 May 2014 18: 09
            +5
            > Fukushima has an active security system, which could only fail in a scenario with a probability of almost 1 / million.

            the entire analysis of personnel behavior during an accident suggests that their reactor was damaged during an earthquake, it was already impossible to save, otherwise they had enough time to buy diesel engines even in the USA, deliver to Fukushima, mount and establish a new cooling system shutdown reactor. Cooling a stopped reactor does not require a lot of energy, huge pumps and huge flows of cooling water.
            This whole system can be quickly assembled at any reactor in the time that exists until the fuel begins to melt

            The Japanese simply tried to hide that their reactor was damaged by an earthquake - one thing was a staff mistake, another was a structural defect. Even after their accident passed for personnel error, they stopped all of their reactors and started them with a friend.
            And what would happen if the presence of structural defects were recognized?

            there were even reports that all fuel could not be removed from the reactor due to damage (fuel bent). The Japanese pretend that the fuel bent many years ago, but they, like monkeys, violating all the operating rules of the nuclear power plant, operated a deadly reactor - and a reactor with damaged fuel is a deadly reactor, whose behavior is unpredictable in all operational and especially emergency conditions.

            And the fuel is obviously damaged at the time of the earthquake.
            1. blackberry
              blackberry 2 May 2014 03: 38
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              It seems to me that our discussion is not about saving the reactor, but about cooling it for the sake of maintaining a controlled chain reaction. Perhaps you are right about the fact that the cooling task was not particularly difficult technically, and, it seems to me, this is what hit civil nuclear energy. People were horrified that even in a simple task, they are told, there is an uncontrollable factor with such catastrophic consequences.

              I can not judge why the Japanese did not pull up an alternative diesel generator - the specifics of the connection, power, or something else. After all, there is still no complete data. As for the time - the earthquake occurred at 8 in the morning with minutes, at 8 in the evening they had already begun the evacuation - so by this time the temperature had reached the threshold. At night they dumped some kind of radioactive vapor. And in 9-36, hydrogen exploded in the first block with the collapse of concrete structures. At the same time, the reactor shell did not suffer, and the radiation level even after reduction was such that the evacuation zone was expanded from 3 to 20 kilometers. Whether 12 or even 24 hours is enough to resume cooling is better for atomic scientists to know; I don’t get into it. To this day, mankind has not heard that the industry has figured out and is ready to assert - this could be done, with the disclosure of facts, etc. Why wait for the approval of the NPP from people. There are only calls and general phrases about the depletion of the bowels, etc. Who should save them if they explode? Mutants?

              And I'm not even talking about a possible structural defect. In my opinion, none of the experts in the world blamed either the Japanese or the Americans for this. Some assumptions and assumptions. Of course, partly due to the fact that they do not fully disclose the documentation, everyone understands it - a secret, etc. And, in fairness, the 1976 reactors. It is clear that corresponds to that level of knowledge. What could - predicted. But even mathematicians say that even if they were now given all the parameters of the station, the geology of the ocean floor, faults of the earth's crust, currents, and winds - and asked to simulate all the scenarios, they can’t even tell the number how many of these scenarios will be. You can limit it to the known events of earthquakes and tsunamis - the number will be finite, and, probably, they predicted that. And the earthquake happened in a slightly different place, plus everything already said - and we have what we have.
              1. badger1974
                badger1974 4 May 2014 18: 11
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                there are some explanations, Fukushima was originally built in the displacement shifts (that is, in the earthquake zone) —the question was one — the cost of cooling, and the cooling of the seeders reactors require more water (Rhode-Alend discharge from the primary circuit), but Magnox cleaned up everything that’s in the net , then the Japs in ignorance are exactly like the IAEA about the activities of this company, I can imagine how South Ukraine will cope with its five times less chiller
          2. yur
            yur 1 May 2014 23: 48
            +5
            laughing
            Quote: blackberry
            Many of us went to liquidation. And then we saw what happened to them over time.
            And what happened to them? After reading your comment, I carefully examined myself (in a large mirror) and even joked. So, I didn’t notice a third hand, a second pair of eyes, or even scales on my body. I’m probably not normal. It will be necessary to go to the grandmother tomorrow, check.
            Sincerely, The liquidator of the accident of the 86th year yur. laughing
            1. badger1974
              badger1974 4 May 2014 18: 47
              0
              and you are the liquidator of which zone? here my friend had a zone of 0, that is the zone where the equipment was required to be maintained, in particular, the replacement of the sleeves supplied to the bubbler under the reactor, which the meters constantly smashed with the harp flying over the "worms"
              1. yur
                yur 7 May 2014 20: 48
                0
                Quote: badger1974
                What liquidator are you in? my friend’s zone was 0,
                I’ll honestly say that I’ve heard for the first time about the numbering of some zones. We worked inside and on the roofs of the buildings of KhTZhO, ISFSF, tanks of pure condensate, the roof of the 3rd reactor. If these names do not tell you anything, then I will explain, all these objects are located at a distance of 20-100 meters from the 4th reactor that exploded. And from the roof of the 3rd reactor, forgive me, not reasonable and not correct, I wrote to the ruins of the 4th (the 3rd and 4th were in the same building through the wall).
        2. voldmis
          voldmis 1 May 2014 13: 46
          +4
          By the way, not everything is so sad, we have a technology for building fast neutron reactors


          Now the conversation is about something else. Fast neutron reactors units. Their construction will take decades. And the burial ground will begin to work in 2-3 years.
          In addition, only we have a cheaper technology for the recycling of spent nuclear fuel. This remix fuel technology has a great future.

          http://www.atomic-energy.ru/keywords/remiks-toplivo

          BUT Russia, like Europe and the USA, will refuse to accept spent American fuel from Ukraine. So, it will remain there ... That is the problem.
          Today, if I am not mistaken, up to 80% of spent fuel will be recycled for further use, while in the USA and Europe it is 0%. They have nowhere to put it. And whose mining will the burial ground be filled in Ukraine ??? Here, any moron understands !!! am
          1. badger1974
            badger1974 4 May 2014 19: 11
            0
            the states are drowning in the Mariana Trench, and how about them, but the European history is enough to bury your go, and at the expense of idiots it’s quite realistic, you only need to authorize the Bulgarians and Turks that the German and treasury French goune will flow to their shores
        3. badger1974
          badger1974 4 May 2014 19: 05
          0
          the fuel is spent fuel (naturally specially prepared) from conventional nuclear power plants ..



          this is not the case, for BN it is required not just for the 235th enrichment - but the super-cost-enrichment -pluto 233, so set aside the BN aside, for BN or the zone of activity almost in a CO environment with a kilometer, or liquid sodium in the first circuit, divers on the nuclear sub project 705 lira, were in "ostorg" when reloading the fuel, ask the guys who served on the high-speed "Lear" on Clancy "Alfah" - but they just do not exist, heart failure in a personal matter
      3. Ross
        Ross 1 May 2014 13: 33
        +7
        Mattresses are not fools, they can keep the assembly price lower, and the rest is the problem of Ukraine, Russia and Europe. !

        I came across a Stalin era cartoon about the essence of mattress covers.
        In my opinion, nothing has changed since then.
      4. 31231
        31231 1 May 2014 17: 03
        +1
        And what is infa at the prices of their and our fuel elements?
        1. yulka2980
          yulka2980 2 May 2014 09: 23
          0
          If amers.ov will have lower prices, then only by priority, and then they will inflate not childishly! am So UKR will soon find out how much, otherwise they are used to always living for free!
        2. xtur
          xtur 2 May 2014 12: 41
          +1
          > And what is the infa prices for them and our fuel elements?

          I was not interested in specific data on the price of their fuel elements, although I think that this data can be found freely, but from the point of view of logic, it makes no sense to put American fuel elements if they are more expensive than Russian ones.
          1. badger1974
            badger1974 4 May 2014 19: 36
            0
            absolutely nothing can be found, there is only an approximate thematic material, from where it is possible to calculate the structures of structures of a particular material, and the degree of enrichment, that is, fouling in uranium oxide, and plutonium is a completely superlabarotor jump - it’s about 300 grams to get gold from XNUMX tons soil, probably even finely picked
        3. badger1974
          badger1974 4 May 2014 19: 30
          0
          there, not at prices, but at the degree of reactivity of assemblies, for Magnos standards, it requires a little more cooling of the first circuit, they clicked Twell, well, we are waiting for problems
    2. Validator
      Validator 1 May 2014 11: 41
      +3
      I want to believe that this will not come to this. Just do not have time. Our TVELs will be delivered to New Russia, of course
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 4 May 2014 19: 38
        0
        they won’t be in time, because they can’t do it, although if with a core melt, as often they have, then yes
    3. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 1 May 2014 12: 20
      0
      She herself ... came. Immorality, irresponsibility - loot!
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 1 May 2014 12: 30
        +1
        Amerikosy specially make horror in Ukraine that it would be scary to fly towards Russia and go.
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    4. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 1 May 2014 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: SHILO
      What with fuel, what with waste storage containers from Holtek problems. Ukraine stupidly dumped in the burial ground.

      Not otherwise, as under the settlers because of the puddles, the territory is cleared. THIS is not a Westinghouse commercial project, but The Pentagon (πεντάγωνον) - "humanitarian".
  2. Ptah
    Ptah 1 May 2014 09: 42
    +5
    the interim government of Ukraine issued a decree on the allocation of land plots with a total area of ​​45,2 ha (between the villages of Staraya Krasnitsa, Buryakovka, Chistogalovka and Stechanka) for the construction of the Central repository of spent nuclear fuel in the exclusion zone of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.

    The exclusion zone - it is not eternal.
    The shortage of food on the planet is worse every year.
    I would take by the legs, and head on a concrete slab - such inventors (albeit temporary ones) who only have "thoughts" to bury under the best FERTILIZED layer of the EARTH "fluorescent mining" ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 May 2014 09: 53
      +4
      Quote: Ptah
      The exclusion zone - it is not eternal.

      in general she’s a couple of thousand years old
      Cesium 137 Half-life 30,1671 (13) [2] years
      carbon - (but its little radioactive has fallen) - several thousand years
      Plutonium - 30000 years.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 1 May 2014 10: 01
        +4
        Are traces of radioactivity found in the "widgetable" growing in these areas?

        Is it better to eat GMNO, albeit grown on "clean" areas?

        Few barren deserts on the planet for landfill? Or should you use only black soil?
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 1 May 2014 10: 58
          0
          Quote: Ptah
          Few barren deserts on the planet for landfill?

          And who will allow you to carry them? However, I admit that secretly have long been buried somewhere in the Sahara.
          The Americans definitely do not need the worked-out good back, which means the cheapest way is to bury in Chernobyl
          Quote: APASUS
          but there are more nuclear explosions

          No explosions-maximum "Koz.l"
          1. atalef
            atalef 1 May 2014 12: 09
            -12%
            Quote: Pilat2009
            The Americans definitely do not need the worked-out good back, which means the cheapest way is to bury in Chernobyl

            so bad or good? Can you talk to each other?
            Quote: Jrvin
            By the way, not everything is so sad, we have the technology for building fast neutron reactors, the fuel is spent fuel (naturally specially prepared) from ordinary nuclear power plants ... that is, it receives all the fuel that we give and take back; it's like buying a kilogram of sweets, and then return the chocolate from these sweets. Russian reactors like BN-600, BN-800 are our hope and know-how, no one has this ... in this direction we are ahead of the rest.

            In America it didn’t shy away, but why in Ukraine it shy away By the way, Chernobyl exploded when it was the USSR, so blaming Ukraine for this is simply stupid.
            1. dmitriygorshkov
              dmitriygorshkov 1 May 2014 13: 13
              +9
              Quote: atalef
              In America it didn’t shy away, but why in Ukraine it shy away By the way, Chernobyl exploded when it was the USSR, so blaming Ukraine for this is simply stupid.

              atalef and you mean not stupid, but smart?
              You still need to be able to read! Or are you a writer right away?
              Are there Russian reactors in America? What do you mention? Will I try to spell whose reactors the technology for the production of fuel rods, which is incomprehensible?
              What does the mattress have to do with it?
              The USSR, by the way, is written with ALL capital letters.
              And finally read about the Chernobyl accident at least ANYTHING, then draw conclusions what is clever and what is stupid!
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 1 May 2014 13: 20
              0
              Quote: atalef
              so bad or good?

              For Americans it’s good, but for Ukrainians (simple) it’s unlikely. Of course, you can fill the entire exclusion zone with burial grounds, transport waste from all over Europe and receive money ...
              Quote: atalef
              Can you talk to each other?

              And what does this have to do with it?
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 1 May 2014 13: 30
                +14
                Quote: Pilat2009
                And what does this have to do with it?

                Offended ... Nobody wants to be friends with him ...
            3. badger1974
              badger1974 4 May 2014 19: 48
              0
              and you are obviously getting tense with trouble, judging by your flag, your neighbors will erase you if the Russian Federation and the states exchange nuclear strikes, well, we will treat Europedia, I don’t think Israel will be in comfort
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 1 May 2014 10: 35
      +4
      Quote: Ptah
      by the legs, and head on a concrete slab - such inventors (albeit temporary ones) who only "have thoughts" to bury under the best FERTILIZED layer of the EARTH "radiation processing" ...

      That's right!
      Not being an expert to discuss the quality of fuel elements, but to create a storage facility for radioactive spent fuel near the capital, in addition to the Chernobyl sarcophagus, it’s something!
  3. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 1 May 2014 09: 43
    +13
    Our answer to Atomic blackmail is Landscaping! bully
    1. Morgan
      Morgan 1 May 2014 14: 24
      0
      The view of the enemy city after the work of our landscape designers pleases the soul
    2. badger1974
      badger1974 4 May 2014 20: 00
      0
      This design arrived at the Dzhankoy airdrome (CRIMEA) yesterday aboard the An-22 Antey, well, in the course of .. NATO
  4. atalef
    atalef 1 May 2014 09: 45
    0
    I didn’t understand something, so the Amerov assemblies are already working at reactors in Ukraine or not
    Further - if Ukraine will bury fuel at home (American) - wonderful
    As I understand it, the Russian was returning to Russia for burial.
    Well, let them use American - there will be less radioactive dirt in Russia.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 1 May 2014 10: 03
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      I didn’t understand something, so the Amerov assemblies are already working at reactors in Ukraine or not

      No, it’s just in the region of 6 months that replacement is already needed.
      Quote: atalef
      Further - if Ukraine will bury fuel at home (American) - wonderful

      What is wonderful? A dump of spent nuclear fuel will appear in the center of Europe. Despite the fact that it’s not the technology that the burial sites themselves are not yet, but they plan to import fuel.
      Quote: atalef
      Well, let them use American - there will be less radioactive dirt in Russia

      There will be less garbage, but more nuclear explosions. The problem of non-certified fuel is simple at first glance.
      1. atalef
        atalef 1 May 2014 10: 09
        -8
        Quote: APASUS
        What is wonderful? A dump of spent nuclear fuel will appear in the center of Europe. Despite the fact that it’s not the technology that the burial sites themselves are not yet, but they plan to import fuel.

        Well, it will appear in the center of Europe, so what? It’s all the same better than in Russia

        Quote: APASUS
        There will be less garbage, but more nuclear explosions. The problem of non-certified fuel is simple at first glance.

        I don’t think so. I am familiar with Westinghouse equipment (high-capacity) - generally of the highest quality and class.
        I think creating TVEL is not such a big problem. Iran insisted on its own production of nuclear fuel (which it will do) and the Russian reactor there. It seems to me that in the States there is more experience than in Iran.
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 May 2014 10: 39
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          I don’t think so. I am familiar with Westinghouse equipment (high-capacity) - generally of the highest quality and class.
          I think creating TVEL is not such a big problem. Iran insisted on its own production of nuclear fuel (which it will do) and the Russian reactor there. It seems to me that in the States there is more experience than in Iran.

          there are also more buggers than in Iran, they do not get better from this, only worse (exceptionally scum)!
          1. atalef
            atalef 1 May 2014 12: 10
            -3
            Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
            there are also more buggers than in Iran

            Do you know the number of these in both countries?
            By the way, buy Mistral from pi ... s of the French - not shameful? So the question is backfill.
        2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 May 2014 10: 41
          +2
          and the Saxon women are disgusting!
          1. Morgan
            Morgan 1 May 2014 14: 28
            +2
            That's why they pedrify - with their women it’s just scary laughing
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 1 May 2014 13: 25
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Well, it will appear in the center of Europe, so what? It’s all the same better than in Russia

          To control, protect and preserve the production cycle, it’s logical to have one cent and not 10–20. Despite the fact that construction has not yet begun. It's just a lot of money. Where in a poor country to take money to build a temporary storage tank for fuel elements with 20 mil liters of water? ?
          I’m not talking about storage facilities, since only three times were collected for the new sarcophagus for the Chernobyl NPP. The benefits here are more likely in the long term, but at first they are huge investments or it will be stored outdoors, spread with the winds and soak into the soil.
          Quote: atalef
          . I am familiar with Westinghouse equipment (high-capacity) - generally of the highest quality and class. I think creating TVEL is not such a big problem. Iran insisted on its own production of nuclear fuel (which it will do) and the Russian reactor there.

          Iran not only started developing its own fuel elements from the flank, they got a little acquainted with our technology. And as for high-quality fuel elements
          In April last year, power units of the South-Ukrainian nuclear power plant, where the fuel of the multinational company Westinghouse is operated in pilot mode, detected violations of the assembly of the TVS-W type (TVS-W is an American-made fuel for the Soviet-Russian type of nuclear power plant reactor). Later, the Ukrainian side found that these violations were caused by constructive defects of the manufacturer.
        4. Fin
          Fin 1 May 2014 13: 49
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          I think creating TVEL is not such a big problem. Iran insisted on its own production of nuclear fuel (which it will do) and the Russian reactor there. It seems to me that in the States there is more experience than in Iran.

          Yes, they just have problems with a fuel rod: an accident at a Czech nuclear power plant and an urgent replacement at the South Ural NPP. Will we wait for the next ??
          And Iran was most likely given a "recipe" for manufacturing under the supervision of Rosatom. Here is a good article on this topic http://goldnike-777.blogspot.ru/2012/07/blog-post_25.html
          This whole story began under Yushchenko, who lobbied for the interests of the Americans. A new round began again with the arrival of their guys. And storages on the territory of Ukraine, it is certainly profitable. You don’t need to take anywhere, store, process, etc. In addition, the Yankees will also build storage in the Chernobyl zone http://odnarodyna.com.ua/content/amerikanskoe-toplivo-dlya-aes-ukrainy-kontury-o
          pasnosti.
          The worst thing in this situation is that all these hetmans do not care about the possible consequences, the main thing is "green". However, nothing surprising - however, the mentality.
        5. Zeus
          Zeus 1 May 2014 14: 31
          +5
          Iran will produce nuclear fuel - enrich uranium with 235th isotope, it is possible to obtain dioxide from hexafluoride. The resulting enriched metal will be installed in fuel assemblies by Russia. Iran will do this only if we give it these technologies. He himself will develop them for more than one year.

          Creating a fuel rod of the required quality is a difficult task. The Americans cannot create workable fuel elements for RBMK and VVER. This is much more complicated than creating a nuclear charge.
        6. f.lourens
          f.lourens 1 May 2014 14: 34
          0
          Tell me dear, but the experts from Iran where they studied and what reactors they have in Iran ??? and they will make assemblies for their reactors and not anyhow
        7. xtur
          xtur 1 May 2014 18: 25
          +3
          > I don't think so. I am familiar with Westinghouse equipment (high-voltage) - generally of the highest quality and class.
          I think creating TVEL is not such a big problem. Iran insisted on its own production of nuclear fuel (which it will do) and the Russian reactor there. It seems to me that in the States there is more experience than in Iran.

          the manufacture of fuel, like everything related to nuclear power plants, is purely calculated and selected by purely experimental means. It’s impossible to just take and create nuclear fuel suitable for someone else’s reactor, Yes, that would be cheaper than the originalotherwise the meaning disappears altogether.
          The solution to this problem requires experiences and a lot of money, and as a result, the fuel will be more expensive than the original - the R&D costs are the same, but the original has already made them and divided them into all batches of the fuel produced by him. Plus, enrichment itself for Russians costs a couple of orders cheaper than that of amers.

          It is incomprehensible how, in general, within the framework of the WTO, without competitive dumping, it is possible to produce competitive fuel for the reactors of their competitors - leaving aside the obligatory passage of the licensing procedure for such fuel from designers

          On the need for licensing, see http://topwar.ru/46094-atomnyy-shantazh.html#comment-id-2433888
          And the Russians themselves probably helped Iran, there simply are no other options
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 1 May 2014 10: 07
      +3
      As far as I understand, our SNF is reprocessed for future use, and not stupidly buried. The junta wants to dump hazardous waste near Chernobyl in close proximity to the Russian and Belarusian borders. I live in Bryansk, we have not yet departed from the past tragedy. The wind rose is mainly from the southwest, so 28 years ago our lands fell under a radioactive trail. We have no desire to survive the new Chernobyl again. I think Russia should make this clear. Up to threats to strike at a construction site, for example, Iskanders or Point U.
      1. atalef
        atalef 1 May 2014 10: 14
        +2
        Quote: sergey32
        As far as I understand, our SNF is reprocessed for future use, and not stupidly buried

        Not everything can be recycled. For example, fuel elements with nuclear submarines are not processed. from icebreakers as well. Then a huge amount of nuclear waste in the process of obtaining fuel.

        Quote: sergey32
        The junta wants to dump hazardous waste near Chernobyl in the immediate vicinity of the Russian and Belarusian borders

        Does the presence of Chernobyl itself bother you? By the way, at any power plant (nuclear) there is a nuclear weapons storage facility. where is the primary cooling of the fuel elements
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic 1 May 2014 10: 39
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Does the presence of Chernobyl itself not bother you?

          It strains, but Chernobyl is at least muffled. Better take a look at what is happening with Japan after the explosion of the reactor. This is even worse than Chernobyl. Who will deal with if the accident occurs in Ukraine, I have big doubts that in this case someone will liquidate the accident.
          1. atalef
            atalef 1 May 2014 12: 12
            0
            Quote: schizophrenic
            It strains, but Chernobyl is at least muffled.

            3rd and 4th reactor. But what about the first and second?

            Quote: schizophrenic
            Better take a look at what's going on with Japan after a reactor explosion.

            But in Russia there is no nuclear power?

            Quote: schizophrenic
            . Who will deal with if the accident occurs in Ukraine, I have big doubts that in this case someone will liquidate the accident.

            Why should it happen?
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            2. Zeus
              Zeus 1 May 2014 15: 16
              +2
              3rd and 4th reactor. But what about the first and second?


              What about the first and second?

              Why should it happen?


              It is possible if, at the operating temperature of the reactor, the design of the American assemblies is deformed (which has already happened), tablets with dioxide can be poured into a heap. In this case, the reaction rate will increase and, as a result, the temperature will increase, followed by the melting of the fuel rod structure. If this happens on one channel, you will have to change the channel. And if this happens on several channels, then a nuclear explosion is possible (with low dynamics, not like in a nuclear charge) and a thermal explosion.
              1. atalef
                atalef 4 May 2014 13: 53
                0
                Quote: Zeus
                3rd and 4th reactor. But what about the first and second?

                What about the first and second?

                they actually work, or a surprise - didn’t they know that the Chernobyl NPP is still a working nuclear power plant?
        2. Leisure
          Leisure 1 May 2014 12: 20
          +3
          Sorry, where did you get the idea that the submarines and icebreakers are not recycled?
        3. Zeus
          Zeus 1 May 2014 14: 40
          +2
          Not everything can be recycled. For example, fuel elements with nuclear submarines - are not processed


          Theoretically, any nuclear waste can be processed. In practice, it is necessary to build nuclear installations for ship TVELs.

          Whether they will be built or not is an economic issue. The decision will be made after the full start of the closed loop.
        4. xtur
          xtur 1 May 2014 18: 33
          +3
          > by the way, at any power plant (nuclear) there is a nuclear weapons storage. where the primary cooling of fuel rods occurs

          these are regular storages - that is, the geometry of the safe location of fuel is provided, cooling systems are provided, and systems for supplying a neutron absorber to such storages are provided.
          That is, different emergency scenarios are provided for and calculated and standard systems are provided for their prevention, as it should be with the design decision from the designer

          and these systems are designed to store fuel for several years, until it becomes possible to transport fuel for processing
      2. Severok
        Severok 1 May 2014 10: 33
        +3
        Just the same SNF is not even buried, stupidly stored in the Murmansk region in an open area on the shore of one of the lips on the coast of the Barents Sea. Rummage in the Internet, tag Andreeva lip
    3. blackberry
      blackberry 1 May 2014 12: 32
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      I didn’t understand something, so the Amerov assemblies are already working at reactors in Ukraine or not
      Further - if Ukraine will bury fuel at home (American) - wonderful
      As I understand it, the Russian was returning to Russia for burial.
      Well, let them use American - there will be less radioactive dirt in Russia.

      You, like, from a nuclear power, judging by the flag, means, at least a little should be in the subject. States on their territory have not built a single nuclear power plant since the 70s. The entire experience of these nuclear scientists is in third world countries or countries with a pro-American government. In America itself, 55 thousand tons of waste have already been buried, each locality protests against the placement of these burials next to it. Rich cities sue and win. Therefore, they are lodged near those where the population is poor and uneducated or the city has no money to sue the government or corporations. In Europe, the same picture. A few years ago, French cities were shown on television, German lands blocked the railroad to prevent the unloading of waste containers. So they drove back and forth. Then everything died out, but there is a suspicion that they buried somewhere on our side. The Germans are so afraid of nuclear power plants that the stop of the Ignalina NPP in Lithuania was one of the conditions for the country's admission to the EU. At every turn of the gas problem, Lithuania and Latvia do not remember this closure with a bad word.

      So this is, most likely, blackmail towards Europe - push sanctions all the way, or we will organize a reactor with poor security and a testing ground here. IMHO, of course.
      1. Zeus
        Zeus 1 May 2014 15: 29
        +2
        The Germans are so afraid of nuclear power plants that the stop of the Ignalina NPP in Lithuania was one of the conditions for the country's admission to the EU.


        This condition was not set out of fear, but because of economic considerations. The opinion of the EU is this: it’s worthless to make any puppets themselves. they must consume.
        1. blackberry
          blackberry 2 May 2014 03: 49
          0
          it so successfully coincided with the desires of politicians, corporations and the population, with a difference of motives.
          1. Zeus
            Zeus 2 May 2014 12: 42
            +1
            Politics reflects the interests of the economy (all corporations in the country). The opinion of the population is created through the media. Do you want people to love nuclear power plants? No problem, reporting starts and brainwashing is in progress. If you want the population to be afraid of nuclear power plants, there are also no problems, other programs and articles are launched. Media is a powerful tool. Look at the maydauns.))
    4. badger1974
      badger1974 4 May 2014 20: 02
      0
      you even confuse, it’s dirty in Yakutia and cannot be
  5. wandlitz
    wandlitz 1 May 2014 09: 47
    +1
    Found a place in Europe for the atomic garbage. In a stable state, it was impossible to do so, for the sake of this goal, Ukraine was torn apart. And who then brings prosperity to the people of Ukraine?
  6. Gvozdovsky
    Gvozdovsky 1 May 2014 09: 47
    0
    All this is called "the development of the occupied territories." Ukraine will be turned into a burial ground for all kinds of nasty things from the US and the EU. Shale gas contracts signed can be added. sad Sorrow ...
  7. sem-yak
    sem-yak 1 May 2014 09: 50
    0
    It is necessary for amers to send 250 killotons of "correct" fuel to study, and by an unmanned charter (self-propelled, so to speak), so that they can draw the correct conclusions about the impossibility of their ubiquity!
  8. Giant thought
    Giant thought 1 May 2014 09: 54
    +2
    If the next Chernobyl explodes, there will be little space for everyone. Here we need to cooperate with Europe right up to the deployment of troops and the capture by them (troops) of Ukrainian nuclear power plants in order to avoid collapse. The mattress covers are far away, their radiation will not reach, and Russia and the EU will have to disentangle the porridge, I’m not talking about Ukraine as a state, they will cease to exist by this time.
    1. Zeus
      Zeus 1 May 2014 15: 32
      +1
      The accident at one reactor in Ukraine in terms of consequences will be much inferior to the Chernobyl explosion. After the first boom, most likely all other reactors with American assemblies will be drowned out. In no case do I justify the loading of third-party fuel into the reactors of our production and do not justify the possibility of an accident. This is for general information.
  9. La-5
    La-5 1 May 2014 10: 10
    +1
    It seems that only the second Chernobyl is able to cool the hot heads of Kiev pseudo-authorities.
  10. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 1 May 2014 10: 23
    +1
    They don’t joke with such things, it’s better not to take on nuclear energy without a serious approach. And the Kiev junta has neither one nor the other.
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 May 2014 12: 14
      +1
      Quote: Anton Gavrilov
      They don’t joke with such things, it’s better not to take on nuclear energy without a serious approach. And the Kiev junta has neither one nor the other.

      and under Yanukovych it means everything was OK? Or with the advent of the junta two months ago - did all the specialists fall into amnesia?
      1. Zeus
        Zeus 1 May 2014 15: 23
        +5
        As the case of the explosion of the fourth power unit of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant shows, the specialists are given a command and they confidently lead the reactor to an explosion under pain of losing their jobs or ending their careers.
  11. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 1 May 2014 10: 26
    -2
    Thunder will not strike ... man will not cross himself

    Yes, let them do whatever they want ... let all the landfills in Europe take them out ... the top will still sooner or later give lectures in the West and live there ...

    Like him American fuel ... a flag in his hands ...
  12. My address
    My address 1 May 2014 10: 37
    +6
    In the safe permanent storage of heaps of spent radioactive materials, a bunch of factors are needed that are not in Ukraine. For example, there is no experienced staff, and then there’s nothing to talk about. The temporary maintenance of a small working out at a nuclear power plant is not at all the same.
    Handling separable materials with unknown physicochemical characteristics in light of their use there, for which they were not designed, is even more fun, i.e. harder and more dangerous. I mean the state assembly at Ukrainian nuclear power plants.
    More than sure that after the grand launch of the one and the other, after a short time, the subjects of the states will not be within 200 km from the nuclear power plant and the repository.
    I am writing how a little versed in this.

    In connection with the foregoing, I wonder who these are from Kiev?
    Iddiots fool , or barrel roll am ?
    I bow to the latter, but with elements of de Bilism.
    It is possible that condescension is conceived.
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    2. pensioner
      pensioner 1 May 2014 11: 04
      +5
      Good afternoon, Sasha!
      Quote: My address
      In connection with the foregoing, I wonder who these people are from Kiev, the Idiots, or the Stolotchi?

      Traitors. Just traitors. In ordinary life, they can be very intelligent people, but their interests do not coincide with the interests of their native country and its citizens.
      1. My address
        My address 1 May 2014 11: 34
        0
        Good afternoon, Yura!
        Happy Holidays!

        And how are these Stetsuki going to turn around when they get drunk? And it thumps. The law of the sandwich, in relation to traitors, scoundrels and sackcloths, the goddess did not cancel.
        Will it turn out the second East Ural Radioactive Sled and the second Chernobyl? You are a physicist and you understand such things.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 1 May 2014 14: 08
          +3
          Quote: My address
          And how are these Stetsuki going to turn around when they get drunk?
          And many traitors, Bandera managed to get out of America after the war? Yes, almost nobody. So ... A couple of sixes, as far as I remember ... And THESE are unlikely to get it. And as I understand it, the idea of ​​amers consists in laying almost atomic bombs near the territory of Russia. So, just in case. With the ability to use as a means of blackmail too ...
          What kills me the most in this situation is that Ukraine is ready to criticize its government for anything, but not for such actions, which could, under certain circumstances, lead to a tragedy on a continental scale. Where is the brain ??
          And you, Sasha, are happy! As I recall the 70-80s ... Eh ... How fun we lived!
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    3. atalef
      atalef 1 May 2014 12: 16
      +3
      Quote: My address
      More than sure that after the grand launch of the one and the other, after a short time, the subjects of the states will not be within 200 km from the nuclear power plant and the repository.
      I am writing how a little versed in this.

      And how then was Iran allowed to load its own fuel into a Russian reactor? Or do you think in Iran they can work better with Nuclear Substances than in the States or in Ukraine?
      1. My address
        My address 1 May 2014 15: 42
        0
        You are right, Alexander.
        It would be justified to involve those who can and where everything is for normal work.
        It is hoped.
    4. blackberry
      blackberry 1 May 2014 14: 59
      +5
      Quote: My address
      In the safe permanent storage of heaps of spent radioactive materials, a bunch of factors are needed that are not in Ukraine. For example, there is no experienced staff, and then there’s nothing to talk about. The temporary maintenance of a small working out at a nuclear power plant is not at all the same.

      Well, how not - there are four stations, but there are no experienced personnel? There is Chernobyl experience - but no experienced personnel? Perhaps other important factors let us down, but I think the problem is not in the staff.
      In Kazakhstan, for example, there has never been a nuclear power plant (and I hope Kiriyenko will not push it through, radish am ), and about protecting someone else - right at the IAEA in their sculpted friends.
      1. My address
        My address 1 May 2014 15: 31
        0
        You know, these are two big differences - experience in temporary storage and experience in constant, and even in decent amounts. For example, they can do it at the Lighthouse. True, at what cost did they study ... I'm not talking about other components besides experience.
        But Chernobyl is not even consequences of the EURT type, it is not related to the topic. Roughly speaking, Chernobyl threw it at any rate and pressed their ears. And what no one knows inside, they only hope that it will carry.
  13. mig31
    mig31 1 May 2014 10: 41
    0
    America - a boa constrictor, Europe and Ukraine - banderlogs, while the mattress states are alive, the geyrope of peace and quiet, the lack of will and venality of its politicians will become the apotheosis of the untimely demise of democracy ...
  14. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 1 May 2014 10: 57
    +3
    Quote: SHILO
    What with fuel, what with waste storage containers from Holtek problems. Ukraine stupidly dumped in the burial ground.

    And no one thought that ovsk fuel could be deliberately unstable, which would arrange another radioactive infection in Russia !? Russia’s harm, and it’s not like it, Ukraine is to blame!
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 1 May 2014 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      And no one thought that ovsk fuel could be deliberately unstable, which would arrange another radioactive infection in Russia !? Russia’s harm, and it’s not like it, Ukraine is to blame!

      Let's say the Westinghaos is trying to use the political advantages obtained as a result of the Maidan and wants to chop off the Ukrainian market for the sale of nuclear fuel, which by the way still seems to be received from Russia, I think they started the Maidan all the same not for such a trifle, since the amers market is so extensive and the Ukrainian weather market for does not do them. Based on this, it can be assumed that either the Westinghaos have absolutely bad things, or they really want to arrange another "meldown" like Fukushima, as additional problems for the Europeans to keep them in check and to contain Russia.
  15. Cristall
    Cristall 1 May 2014 11: 40
    +7
    How conveniently located is the South Ukrainian NPP and the Zaporizhzhya NPP is so general .. weird.
    If the first spoils us, and the whole center of Europe, the second oddly turns the South of Ukraine and Crimea into Pripyat.
    But in general, another declaration of independence with American partners. They say Russia doesn’t need us - we’ll buy from America, they will help us .. and the hell is not our brother ...
    Although we have specialists - I think the last word will be theirs. And they are of the Soviet school - and they are unlikely to go against the truth. And let the Kiev shut up ... that's the city of traitors found in Ukraine. Also called Kiev.
  16. saag
    saag 1 May 2014 11: 48
    +2
    Quote: Cristall
    . And let the Kiev shut up ... that's the city of traitors found in Ukraine. Also called Kiev.

    I already wrote somehow that it should be stripped of the title of a hero city :-)
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 1 May 2014 15: 48
      +3
      Quote: saag

      I already wrote somehow that it should be stripped of the title of a hero city :-)

      Well, he was not immediately appointed as a hero, and besides, the city itself clearly did not expect a collection of all the negative from the country. He was paid, collected, fostered - carefully brought.
      The city as such is not to blame for the fact that the inhabitants and the assembly in it are such.
      You will look at Kiev - Euromaidown, ZRADA, condoms, liars, notorious liars of politics, a collection of evil spirits from around the world and so on ...
      And Kiev itself will survive them .. it was repeatedly in its history.
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 1 May 2014 11: 52
    0
    Well, in a dope and it’s still not possible to cram ... but a joke in another ... it will be paid ... and in a timely manner, the Americans will not ship in debt.
  18. Simple
    Simple 1 May 2014 12: 18
    +3
    Quote: from article
    Leonid Savin (“Strategic Culture Fund”) recalls that on April 23, the interim government of Ukraine issued an order to allocate land plots with a total area of ​​45,2 ha (between the villages of Staraya Krasnitsa, Buryakovka, Chistogalovka and Stechanka) for the construction of the Central Repository for Spent Nuclear Fuel in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone NPP. This was stated by the president of the Ukrainian Energoatom Yuriy Nedashkovsky


    Cynnism is that they have been negotiating with the interim government about the problem for millennia.

    By the way, if this burial ground is opened in Ukraine, then the whole EU will catch up on the "medok".

    In Germany, the problem of the final selection of a place for storage of radioactive waste has not yet been resolved.

    We must not forget that the chosen geographical location (in Ukraine) is a good tool for political blackmail of both Russia and the EU (I don’t even mention Ukraine) for millennia.

    This must not be allowed under any circumstances.!
  19. anfil
    anfil 1 May 2014 12: 23
    +1
    Quote: SHILO
    Kalin said: “In this situation, we see a complete disregard for radiation safety requirements. I think that the Ukrainian authorities will never make such a decision, because their experts will not allow. This is just political blackmail. If, God forbid, they make such a decision, they will be accountable to the world community. A normal person cannot do that. ”

    I think NPP workers are not fools and will not allow, at least for the sake of self-preservation, to carry out such an experiment.
  20. sv68
    sv68 1 May 2014 12: 51
    +2
    atomic fuel of the USSR and now Russia and similar fuel manufactured in any other country in the world are obviously different because of the very different manufacturing technologies of both TVELL-fuel elements and hundreds of purely technical rhodiation, biological, mechanical and some other parameters and technologies. I will say that American fuel is not suitable for ukroin Soviet and Russian reactors, and using it without complex changes without a reactor zone and a control and protection system is unsafe
  21. Common sense
    Common sense 1 May 2014 12: 57
    +2
    If the people working at these stations do not get up, right up to dismissal in protest, wait for trouble :(
  22. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 1 May 2014 13: 25
    +2
    Quote: VALERIK_097
    Quote: For example, fuel elements with nuclear submarines - not processed. from icebreakers as well.
    I joked, my dear, learn chemistry. It is desirable from the school level. I would have painted the entire technical process for you, but moderators will not miss

    I support, plus to you. Why did he (atalef) assume that TVELs with nuclear submarines are not processed?
  23. krymskij
    krymskij 1 May 2014 13: 32
    +2
    What can I say, they rehearsed for a long time, "just not from Russia ..." An example is the replacement of the battery on the only submarine of the Ukrainian Navy. I don’t remember the details, but they ordered it in Greece. The result is that they simply did not fit into the battery compartment. Then they were transferred to storage in the Russian Black Sea Fleet, where they were served, and when the correspondent asked the responsible (Russian serviceman, I don’t remember who is in rank) “What's the problem?” He diplomatically replied: “If only they took a tape measure ... "But this is a battery, and in this case, there is no time for jokes.
  24. blackberry
    blackberry 1 May 2014 13: 45
    +3
    Quote: vaf
    Quote: atalef
    Well, do not you know. that nuclear repositories are being built in accordance with the standards and are under the control of the IAEA


    Sasha, welcome drinks As they say .. "... well, you damn it .. give


    I am joining. A reference to the IAEA standards from the mouth of a representative of a country that to this day refuses to join the IAEA. I don’t even know why to attribute such an incident - to underestimating the knowledge of the interlocutors or to under-defining your position.
  25. Jrvin
    Jrvin 1 May 2014 14: 01
    +3
    Quote: blackberry
    Quote: Jrvin
    nobody has this ... in this direction we are ahead of the rest.

    IMHO - not the case when being first is good. Just the opposite. Here everyone is worried about security, and the first is the first, by definition of accumulated practice, less than previous versions. As far as I remember, Fukushima has an active security system, which could not work only under the scenario, the probability of which is almost 1 / million. I don’t remember the numbers, meaning - less than extremely unlikely. But then it happened. But the passive security system also has some probabilistic limits, no? In general, agitation in this matter does not work, because they have already seen it. And not on TV. Many of us went to liquidation. And then we saw what happened to them over time. Improve, but do not put experiments on us.

    Tales you bring to the argument the BN-600 reactor has been officially operating since 1980 !!! without serious damage is this what it says? Secondly, the level of computer technology has gone so far that now security systems have become more reliable, more accurate and smaller in size at times, thirdly, Russian nuclear scientists all over the world are recognized as one of the most competent in this industry, and the Japanese admit this, such experience as elimination no one has the Chernobyl accident anymore, and only ours gave the correct advice to the Japanese, but as always independent ones broke firewood. Well, in 4x from the storage this fuel can always be withdrawn, processed and put into operation. And if we still master the technology of nuclear fusion, then everything then we will generally receive energy for free (but this is still a dream).
    1. blackberry
      blackberry 1 May 2014 15: 11
      +1
      But where did you see fairy tales? What is an active security system in Fukushima? Or - that it did not work? Or did they go from Kazakhstan to liquidation to Chernobyl? Or that the liquidators among us lived / live? Or what do we see their condition? Or that security systems have probabilistic limits? All is true. I swear by my mother)).

      Your emotions are understandable, but again - they do not work for the population.
      1. Nonik
        Nonik 1 May 2014 17: 07
        +4
        About Fukushima. I watched a documentary film. The explosion occurred on the most banal problem - the lack of electricity for the cooling system. First, the station lost electricity during an earthquake (the main one was cut off), and then from the tsunami (standby generators were cut off). Those. during the construction did not think of this. The backup generators were in the basements, which were flooded with water.
        The security system worked normally. But the conditions for its implementation to the end were not - simply because of the banal lack of electricity.
  26. tank64rus
    tank64rus 1 May 2014 14: 28
    +1
    The Americans gave guarantees and the Japanese received Fokushima. And those who are now shouting that everything is safe overseas. The main thing for them is to push through everything while "their guys" are in power. And after us, even a flood.
  27. Ordinary stock
    Ordinary stock 1 May 2014 14: 35
    +3
    It is extremely dangerous to service Russian-built nuclear power plants on foreign TVELs. Who will be responsible for the final result? Our? No, the assembly is alien. Westinghouse? No, they did not build the station. God forbid, but all Europe will have to answer, from the Urals to the Pyrenees. God forbid.
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  29. Jrvin
    Jrvin 1 May 2014 15: 41
    +3
    Quote: blackberry
    But where did you see fairy tales? What is an active security system in Fukushima? Or - that it did not work? Or did they go from Kazakhstan to liquidation to Chernobyl? Or that the liquidators among us lived / live? Or what do we see their condition? Or that security systems have probabilistic limits? All is true. I swear by my mother)).

    Your emotions are understandable, but again - they do not work for the population.

    And where does Fukushima? I'm telling you about fast neutron reactors, and Fakushima is an ordinary VVR. Let's start with the fact that Fakushima was built with a bunch of violations (these violations were only according to our construction standards, which were tightened after Chernobyl, according to American standards (they just developed the reactor that is installed at Fakushima), everything was fine, the most gross violations are the construction of a nuclear power plant in an earthquake-prone zone, construction on the shore of the sea (moreover, the sea where tsunamis often occur), backup power systems are tied to a common network, and not like autonomous ones (diesel, or from a "live" neighboring reactor), backup power systems and devices participating in an immediate emergency pumping cooling water through a heated reactor installed in another building, and not next to the reactor (this is generally the height of the stupidity of Fakushima's designers.) An earthquake occurred, the protection shutting down the reactors was triggered and the voltage (external) was immediately removed, which caused the main pumps to stop, but there was nothing to start them) what did the Samurai think? (by the way, after Chernobyl, they compared us like monkeys with a nuclear reactor). The standby pumps, as it turned out, are powered by the external network, either there were no generators, or they did not start (unlikely). The result is the melting of TVEL and hello radiation.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 1 May 2014 18: 07
      0
      Quote: Jrvin
      What did the Samurai think about?

      I agree that the reliability of reactors is growing every year.
      But Blackberry is also right, there is no guarantee against a recurrence of an accident of the magnitude of Fukushima.
      There are always (and in Russia) a few people who neglect safety. Each individual violation is not critical, but in the aggregate, the effect can lead to irreversible consequences. \
      For instance. Every year, large ships are built, which, according to calculations, are incredibly difficult to "drown". However, where is the guarantee that a disaster like the sinking of the Titanic will never happen again (and after the Titanic, thousands of people have already died)?
    2. Nonik
      Nonik 1 May 2014 21: 14
      +1
      Quote: Jrvin
      As it turned out, the backup pumps are powered from an external network, either there were no generators or they did not start (it is unlikely). The result is a melting fuel rod and hello radiation.

      There were backup generators, and they started up - but after the tsunami they were flooded with water and turned off. Which led the "non-monkey Japanese" to the tragedy.
      You can certainly gloat, but there is no desire.
      1. Jrvin
        Jrvin 1 May 2014 21: 50
        0
        Well, what am I talking about, a complete violation of construction technology =) they would have built it in the vent of a volcano =)
  30. boozer
    boozer 1 May 2014 15: 48
    0
    In general, the topic of nuclear power plants in Europe is very painful. Germany at one time refused to continue the construction of nuclear power plants, fixated on safety, Belgium completely abandoned this type of energy production. There were rumors that France entered into a conspiracy, for the sake of profit for the sale of kilowatts, and retained all nuclear power plants, and this is up to 90% of the entire EU energy. And Ukraine ... Well, a repository for spent fuel, probably yes ...
  31. Spstas1
    Spstas1 1 May 2014 17: 01
    +2
    What can I say. Probably the "hot guys" in Kiev, having played enough of "Stalker", decided to turn the game scenario into reality and cut the loot from those who want to run around the radioactive terrain and communications. Hollywood is resting - we have everything in nature!
    1. jagdpanzer
      jagdpanzer 1 May 2014 18: 26
      0
      and that everything is beating, and even "Freedom" is in the game)
  32. SmileSimple
    SmileSimple 1 May 2014 18: 14
    +3
    I am writing as a graduate of the faculty of nuclear engineering (from the USSR :)
    1. RBMK reactors designed by the Ukrainian Institute worked and exploded in Chernobyl
    2. At the YuU NPP, VVER-1000 reactors designed in Russia are used - the most reliable designs in the world (a la, a Kalashnikov assault rifle). A fundamental feature of VVER = if you quit and leave, then the reactor itself should "go out"

    about the decision of Ukraine to cooperate with the USA
    1. You can use American uranium. Only he is MUCH RUSSIAN !!!
    Russia sells fuel for nuclear power plants in the United States and the United States sets import quotas so that local companies do not go bankrupt.
    2. Of course, you can mess up with the fuel rods so that they do not work well. But I think the Americans are qualified and will not make mistakes
    3. theoretically !!! since At NPP assemblies are not disassembled and not checked, then the CIA can plant a "mine" in the TVEL, which will go off on command. As far as this is a real scenario, everyone decides for himself ...
    4. fuel is exported to countries by manufacturers not so much because of the environment, but because of the fear of inadequacy - because this is already 50% of the costs for the manufacture of combat AO. In addition, spent fuel can be used as a "dirty bomb"
    5. The burial ground itself is nothing particularly complicated - in a dry place, sealed lead-concrete containers with "nasty" inside. The task of the burial ground = to protect so as not to be dragged away AND to repair the containers if they suddenly leak.

    therefore, the questions are only:
    1. Why do the Ukrainian "authorities" want to buy more expensive and NEORIGINAL?
    2. Will Ukrainians be able to guard the burial ground?
    3. Will the Ukrainian "government" allocate money to repair the "leaks"? They don’t allocate money to repair the sarcophagus in Chernobyl :(
    1. saag
      saag 1 May 2014 20: 33
      +2
      Quote: SmileSimple
      I am writing as a graduate of the faculty of nuclear engineering (from the USSR :)
      1. RBMK reactors designed by the Ukrainian Institute worked and exploded in Chernobyl

      Actually one reactor
  33. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 1 May 2014 18: 51
    +2
    (atalef]
    maybe earlier spent fuel was returned to Russia. will now remain in Ukraine.
    What's wrong with that? [/ Quote]

    As a resident of Belarus, I have a legitimate question: where will this garbage remain, right at my side! from me to Pripyat some 80 km, and before the ban some 50 km. A good gift from the USA and Ukraine. And in relation to Ukraine in general fraternally. They do not have and will never have any specialists in fuel processing or normal storage facilities.
  34. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 1 May 2014 19: 28
    +1
    Quote: blackberry
    Quote: Jrvin
    nobody has this ... in this direction we are ahead of the rest.

    IMHO - not the case when being first is good. Just the opposite. Here everyone is worried about security, and the first is the first, by definition of accumulated practice, less than previous versions. As far as I remember, Fukushima has an active security system, which could not work only under the scenario, the probability of which is almost 1 / million. I don’t remember the numbers, meaning - less than extremely unlikely. But then it happened. But the passive security system also has some probabilistic limits, no? In general, agitation in this matter does not work, because they have already seen it. And not on TV. Many of us went to liquidation. And then we saw what happened to them over time. Improve, but do not put experiments on us.

    Fukushima suffered from an underwater thermonuclear explosion, you are aware of the events that the monitoring station subordinate to the UN found cesium - 131. At the epicenter of an earthquake, it is a product of atomic explosions and catastrophes from nuclear power plants. And it is very far from Fukushima!
    1. blackberry
      blackberry 2 May 2014 04: 04
      +1
      you are aware of the events that the monitoring station subordinate to the UN found cesium - 131 in the epicenter of the earthquake. But it is the product of atomic explosions and catastrophes from nuclear power plants. And it is very far from Fukushima!

      A fan of conspiracy theory ?. The earthquake hypocenter was at a depth of 32 (thirty two) kilometers. But the previous, weaker, tremors were also in the ocean. There are currents in the water that can carry objects if they are not fixed. How can a monitoring station determine the source and origin?
  35. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 1 May 2014 19: 30
    +1
    [quote = Kar Karych] (atalef]
    maybe earlier spent fuel was returned to Russia. will now remain in Ukraine.
    What's wrong with that? [/ Quote]

    As a resident of Belarus, I have a legitimate question: where will this garbage remain, right at my side! from me to Pripyat some 80 km, and before the ban some 50 km. A good gift from the USA and Ukraine. And in relation to Ukraine in general fraternally. Neither specialists in fuel processing nor normal storage facilities have and will never have. [/ Quote]
    Yes, he himself was in Pakuli on the border of Belarus. Whitewash your fence, there are 3 Chernobyl zone! Exactly, as regards the state of Ukraine, there is no talk of any brotherhood.
    1. Trit Nakosh
      Trit Nakosh 2 May 2014 09: 59
      +1
      For example, Belarus could raise this issue as an "obviously interested party."
      Moreover, in the "western spirit" - with a "hysterical note", complaints to greenpots, un, "natu" and other "guardians for humanity
  36. 51064
    51064 1 May 2014 21: 17
    +1
    Quote: 9lvariag
    And it’s not even about radiation. The fact is that for some reason everyone forgets that transurans and their salts for all living things are poisons! :( And the Dnieper flows in all of Ukraine and into the Black Sea.

    The Dnieper also already enters Russia - the canal to the Crimea covers about 85% of the water requirements of the peninsula.
  37. 51064
    51064 1 May 2014 21: 17
    0
    Quote: 9lvariag
    And it’s not even about radiation. The fact is that for some reason everyone forgets that transurans and their salts for all living things are poisons! :( And the Dnieper flows in all of Ukraine and into the Black Sea.

    The Dnieper also already enters Russia - the canal to the Crimea covers about 85% of the water requirements of the peninsula.
  38. northern
    northern 1 May 2014 22: 00
    +1
    Westinghouse has already tried to use its assemblies in Soviet-made reactors in Ukraine. The results are deplorable. Westinghouse fuel rods have worse temperature characteristics; they expand and block in the reactor channels during overheating. After that, the assembly from the channel is not available. Expanding, they narrow the adjacent channels designed to enter the emergency protection rods. The Big Babakh didn’t happen just because emergency jamming was quickly triggered, reactors of this type were finalized as a result of the investigation of the 1986 accident.
  39. siberalt
    siberalt 1 May 2014 22: 26
    +1
    Who remembers what Yulia said about the nuclear "paleov" for the nuclear power plant just during the Crimean events? America will help them, as well as with shale gas, loans and NATO. Ha ha! I do not know the subtleties of the difference between batteries - fuel elements of Soviet and American nuclear power plants, but I will say unequivocally - they are different. Do you need a new Fokushima in the center of Europe? However, where is Europe? Right! And I think so! laughing
  40. gammipapa
    gammipapa 1 May 2014 23: 32
    +2
    Of course we will not be affected, what kind of nonsense?
    The accident in Chernobyl could be eliminated only on the scale of the entire USSR and then thousands of lives. At that time, many men from the factory left us as liquidators (and this is not a little bit from the Urals), so of all the liquidators I know only one living thing. Yes, and from that, he flattens the tower from time to time, since he is an athlete and is physically very healthy, and the rest everything is already in the cemetery.
  41. Lelek
    Lelek 2 May 2014 00: 55
    +4
    Well, positinist - you will not envy: - the threat of a fourfold repetition of the Chernobyl disaster, repositories with spent nuclear fuel near Kiev and the lack of guarantees that fissile materials will not fall into the hands of the Nazis who can arrange a large kergud. fool
  42. Bayonet
    Bayonet 2 May 2014 04: 20
    +1
    God grant that the books from the "STALKER" series do not come true! After reading the comments to the article, I made a pleasant conclusion - it turns out that every second in our country is an expert in nuclear energy.
  43. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 2 May 2014 10: 49
    +3
    It's simple: those who sign agreements on the use of "someone else's" nuclear fuel and waste disposal are not going to live in this country ...
  44. Jager
    Jager 2 May 2014 16: 09
    +1
    I don't know how inadequate people should be. to build a radioactive repository 100 km from the capital of the state? Having at the same time the destroyed and glowing Chernobyl at hand, which they simply cannot reliably isolate in any way. The sarcophagus of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is a filkin letter, held on to supports that withstood the explosion. Its construction is an exclusively temporary measure to cover the destroyed reactor. What has happened to the construction of the sarcophagus and fuel for 28 years? What to do with him? Note - in the center of Europe. By the way, the sarcophagus is far from hermetic. Fuel with sediments and dust continues to "creep".
    Question to the experts. Why not create an international repository of muck away from the continents somewhere on a desert island?
    But Russia without Chernobyl was dirtied by an atom. From Murmansk to Vladivostok. Bases and shipyards of the Navy, NPPs, MCC and enrichment plants, research reactors, nuclear test sites, flooded submarines, underground nuclear explosions ... A nightmare!
  45. air force captain
    air force captain 2 May 2014 17: 44
    +1
    Well, where will smart or adequate people come from, if on the outskirts the average age of the academic unaccounted for is 72 years? And those
    who is released from the Kuyovo-Mogila-Yan battery or from the university of Shevchenko, such as masters - do they make in the word "CONVERSION" - FOUR SPELLING ERRORS?
  46. bylec
    bylec 3 May 2014 18: 33
    0
    I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong, but it seems to me
    What is shipping American-made rods
    This is a double move
    1- will work well, we will earn and wipe the nose
    By these Russians
    2- it doesn’t work out — it’ll already be a problem of course the Russians
    Why did it explode? Duck you do not have experts but .......
  47. mackonya
    mackonya 4 May 2014 09: 04
    0
    Well, this is the choice of the "Ukrainian authorities" the main thing is that there is no catastrophe, and then again the whole world would not like to form a sarcaphagus.
  48. Yellow white
    Yellow white 5 May 2014 20: 59
    0
    Yeah, if yopnet all Maidan Maidan will be, pah-pah-pah ...
  49. Antibrim
    Antibrim 6 May 2014 13: 25
    0
    God forbid bombing! I’m living next to the BPP myself, and from time to time strange news from there broke here and there, but at least we are monitoring this, and they use the project fuel. and here neither mind nor imagination