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US Navy will receive ten Virginia-type BATs under contract

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According to the newspaper "Military Industrial Courier" A multi-year contract with a fixed cost of more than 17 billions of dollars was issued to the US Navy for the construction of ten atomic submarines of the Virginia type with missile-torpedo armament (PLAT).




The US Department of Defense stated that the contract for the production of submarines was concluded with the company "Electric Boy Corporation" for a period of 2014 to 2024 year. This company belongs to the corporation "General Dynamics".

Also in the terms of the contract provides for the delivery of spare parts for each plate. The issued contract will allow to start the construction of two PLATELES in a “block IV” configuration annually. Construction of the first SSN-792 submarine is scheduled to begin on 1 in May of this year. Thus, by the end of the year 2023, the United States Navy will receive ten nuclear submarines.

Designed plato-type "Virginia" for military operations against surface ships and submarines. They can also be used to strike ground targets. For this purpose, the submarines are equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles. In addition, the US Navy plans to use submarines to ensure the defense of warships and the convoy, the covert conduct of special operations, including in shallow water areas.

It is worth noting that the command fleet The United States already has ten Virginia-type boards in service, starting with USS Virginia (SSN-774) and ending with USS Minnesota (SSN-783). Eight more are at the production stage.
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  1. Antibrim
    Antibrim April 30 2014 11: 37
    +6
    let Che want to build, judging by the moral qualities of their crews are cowardly, and in which case they will dump right away, and a boat without a crew trough a metal
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 30 2014 11: 43
      +6
      Quote: AntiBrim
      judging by the moral qualities of their crews are cowardly, and in which case they will dump immediately,

      not, they are Mexicans with niggas (since they were with the whites in flight) they will write to the crews ...
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto April 30 2014 13: 35
        +2
        so the fact of the matter is that Latinos and black sucks are given the concept of honor, homeland, homeland service, pff is a zilch for them, I read nothing of the oath and opened the main account, .... IMHO
      2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT April 30 2014 13: 44
        +1
        Quote: PSih2097
        judging by the moral qualities of their crews are cowardly, and in which case they will dump immediately,
        not, they are Mexicans with niggas (since they were with the whites in flight) they will write to the crews ...

        blacks only in the holds know how to move on ships!)))
    2. Lyubimov
      Lyubimov April 30 2014 11: 46
      +21
      It's hard to get off the submarine laughing
      1. dimdimich71
        dimdimich71 April 30 2014 11: 52
        +4
        Gas choke laughing
      2. skrgar
        skrgar April 30 2014 14: 11
        -2
        Quote: Lyubimov
        It's hard to get off the submarine laughing

        In this they will be brave guys .. Heroic drapes into the abyss will))
    3. Baikal
      Baikal April 30 2014 12: 10
      +30
      let Che want to build, judging by the moral qualities of their crews cowards

      Watch out gentlemen. The enemy must be assessed as the most worthy, even if he is a complete hackler. I am sure that they understand this in Moscow Region.
      Based on the numbers, the United States Army is more powerful than Mattress. What are these numbers in reality can only be shown by objective reality.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 April 30 2014 12: 18
        +4
        They want everything to be cool like ours smile I wish them that champagne didn’t break on one of these boats smile . I look, they again print bucks without warning, then at least a whole State Department show was arranged to raise the ceiling of the public debt.
        1. Muxomor
          Muxomor April 30 2014 13: 11
          +2
          The main reason for the choice of "Virginia" is the US national debt))) "Sea Wolf" at 4 lard apiece, and "Virginia" about 2 lard, that's why they chose it, and so the naval "Sea Wolves" wanted to replace "Los -Angeles "they have
        2. johnsnz
          johnsnz April 30 2014 14: 01
          +1
          The festive salute and solemn breaking on board a traditional bottle of champagne marked the commissioning of a new vessel ..... the orderlies of the fifth clinical hospital lol
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      3. Lyubimov
        Lyubimov April 30 2014 12: 36
        +9
        "Objective reality" - you want to say a good fight!
        As if of course I did not want to know who is stronger, but it is better not to check. For such cuts in the XNUMXst century will end extremely sadly for all biological species of the planet Earth!
        1. Baikal
          Baikal April 30 2014 12: 52
          +2
          I support of course. Against such meat, however, and against hatred.
      4. sub307
        sub307 April 30 2014 14: 04
        +2
        That's it. Let's see what will be "our answer" in terms of building multipurpose nuclear submarines of the 4th generation.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas April 30 2014 14: 21
          +3
          Quote: sub307
          That's it. Let's see what will be "our answer" in terms of building multipurpose nuclear submarines of the 4th generation.

          The answer is still weak in terms of quantity, and also all kinds of "eksperDs" muddy the waters.
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    4. strannik595
      strannik595 April 30 2014 12: 23
      +12
      let Che want to build, judging by the moral qualities of their crews are cowardly, and in which case they will dump right away, and a boat without a crew trough a metal
      ....... just to write, and what to write is not so important ....... where the crews dump in the depths is also not important, because they are all such cowards, we alone are RICHES ....... ....ABOUT! I ONLY WHAT I came up with, A VERY SMART THING, listen, they need to declare war - they, Amer’s underpants, propene, of course, will immediately dump everything, and we will seize them peacefully? and what, in the Crimea it happened so and then a ride ........... we take only injuries and light noise with us, for these underpants it will be enough
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      2. SS68SS
        SS68SS April 30 2014 13: 17
        +5
        Fears are inspired by the fact that these "metal troughs" shoot and, alas, not with New Year's firecrackers. And in the hands of inadequate people with a certain vector of thinking, they become really dangerous.
      3. Igor75
        Igor75 April 30 2014 16: 19
        +7
        "...... just to write, but what to write is not so important ......."
        I support! These "hurray-patriotic" stupid comments have already got me.
        A little "let the mattress mats be afraid." The Americans will lower them by 10 pieces. and will be "much afraid".
    5. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf April 30 2014 13: 02
      -4
      Antibrim
      let them want to build, .....

      There will be something to drown!
      Again, why spend money on targets, and with the preparation of the crew, the issue will be resolved!
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    7. lukke
      lukke April 30 2014 13: 37
      +2
      smiled - BlackWater employee rating http://warfiles.ru/show-54412-reyting-sotrudnika-blackwater-o-boesposobnosti-voe

      nnyh-raznyh-stran.html
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    9. clidon
      clidon April 30 2014 14: 51
      +6
      let them want to build, judging by the moral qualities of their crews are cowardly,

      What criteria do you use to assess the "cowardice" of American crews?
      1. Horn
        Horn April 30 2014 18: 22
        +3
        Probably on the torpedoing of Kursk. Cowardly torpedoed and killed our brave crew. How some idiots will not understand that the country is strong not by the number of minuses or pluses and not by the number of puppy-enthusiastically stupid patriotic posts!
    10. Artem1967
      Artem1967 April 30 2014 17: 37
      +5
      Do you have serious reasons to think so? The crew of the submarine does not need to walk with their chest on machine guns, and they are trained to do their job professionally. This is a serious enemy and must be treated accordingly. "We'll throw away boots" was already in 1941!
      It is necessary to speed up the construction of our new generation submarines and enlarge the series for greater operational efficiency.
  2. yulka2980
    yulka2980 April 30 2014 11: 40
    0
    Anyway, by that time we’ll come up and build a hundred times better laughing
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  4. Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin April 30 2014 11: 41
    +8
    it is necessary to increase the answer !!!! Give 10 "Ash" !!!
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 11: 50
      +4
      8 to the mid-20's.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 30 2014 12: 46
        +10
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        8 to the mid-20's.



        USA at the moment only build nuclear submarines type "Virginia", while Russia builds boats of all three main classes - strategic missile carriers of project 955 "Borey" (type "Yuri Dolgoruky"), nuclear submarines - carriers of cruise missiles of project 949A "Antey" (type "Krasnodar"), multipurpose nuclear submarines of project 885 "Yasen" (type "Severodvinsk") and project 971 "Pike-B" (type "Bars").
        The Russian submarine pr.885 "Yasen" (type "Severodvinsk") has more powerful armament - 8 torpedo tubes and 24 cruise missiles against 4 and 12, respectively, ammunition of 30 torpedoes against 26, and is also more automated - the crew of the newest domestic submarine will consist out of 55 people against 100-113 for the Virginia class nuclear submarine, with corresponding consequences for the convenience of crew accommodation. It is also important that the "Ash" has a maximum diving depth of -600 meters, while the "Virginia" has -488m (1600 feet), which upon meeting and detection gives our boat a significant tactical advantage and greater freedom of maneuver.
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 12: 53
          +13
          What ??? This is where our 971 project boats are being built ??? about 0.10 devices on our boat and the number of missiles on it is equal to 32-m. The crew of our boat is 90 people, not 55, on boats of the Yasen-M project it will be quite possible slightly less. 600 meters is the ultimate test depth, how much it actually can withstand guessing, Virginia has the ultimate test 500 meters, but ours has a working depth of 480 or 520, and it has only 240.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 30 2014 13: 03
            +1
            I wanted to ask the same thing about 971 !!! I heard that they want to equip them with universal launchers for cruise missiles, but this is modernization, and not the construction of a new submarine. so in fact only 885 and 955
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic April 30 2014 13: 35
              +3
              Quote: silver_roman
              I wanted to ask the same thing about 971 !!!


              The project is active and not closed, it will be built ... There is only a final political decision on the renewal of the project. In total, if I am not mistaken, we have existing projects - 636 Varshavyanka, 677 Lada, 971 "Shchuka-B", 855 Ash and 955 Borey.
              A project of deep modernization was developed with Antei, mainly on missile weapons, without reworking the corps. There simply are disputes among the supporters of the modernization of the Granites (installation of SPRD) to achieve 4M speed and refine the GOS by installing the AFAR radar for greater noise immunity and the development of the space complex for reconnaissance and target designation of the Liana ICRC with a simultaneous set of measures to reduce the noise of nuclear submarines and supporters of replacing the Granites with Onyx and Gauges with remaking TPK.
              In the USA, Los Angeles was closed in 1996, Ohio-1997, Sivulf-2005. Valid only Virginia.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic April 30 2014 14: 10
                +1
                [b], Perspective projects [[/ b] b] at the beginning of 2006, the command of the Russian Navy decided to develop on a competitive 
                based on a promising project of a multipurpose nuclear submarine [/ b], apparently intended for replacement after 
                2020 года подлежащих выводу из боевого состава МЦАПЛ 3‐го поколения проектов 671РТМ, 945 и 971 постройки 
                80s It is expected that the laying of a new submarine will occur after 2017 at the end of the serial 
                produced by MCSAPL project 885M. Unlike Ash, the new project should have a significant 
                smaller surface displacement of the order of 5.000 - 6.000 tons. The profile of its combat 
                application. Small displacement will not allow placing a large amount of weapons on board, in 
                features, missile silos for anti-ship missiles and TFR, and the emphasis will be shifted to anti-submarine actions, such as 
                patrolling in areas where SSBNs are deployed to ensure their combat stability. This decision 
                will significantly reduce the cost of a new project with the prospect of its large-scale production. 
                 
                The main participants in the competition are TsKBMT "Rubin" and SPMBM "Malachite", while, earlier, the main 
                the developer of torpedo and multipurpose nuclear submarines was only Malakhit, and direct competition, 
                practically absent. The specialists of both design bureaus have similar points of view regarding the appearance of the underwater 
                boats of the 5th generation. Final transition to XNUMX-frame or single-frame architecture expected 
                with a buoyancy margin of about 15%. Low-magnetic will remain as the main structural material. 
                steel, but the share of composite materials for both external and internal 
                applications (permeable areas, OVU, structures subject to strong vibrations and loads, 
                secondary structures, vibration isolation and acoustic isolation). There is a search for the possibility of giving up 
                traditional fencing of retractable devices in favor of alternative design solutions such as 
                retractable navigation bridge (worked out in the 60-70s within the framework of Project 673 and the CONFORM program), 
                non-penetrating PMU, forming in a developed superstructure, etc. At the moment there are no prerequisites and 
                the need to increase the maximum immersion depth, speed or autonomy of new projects, but 
                a decrease in displacement can lead to a decrease in the crew due to the automation of ship assets 
                based on the existing element base with "open architecture" 
                As part of the work on a promising nuclear submarine at TsKBMT "Rubin", an interesting proposal was formulated for 
                reducing its cost and increasing combat effectiveness - the so-called. method "Basic model", for the first time 
                developed back in the 70s during R&D for 3rd generation nuclear submarines.
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic April 30 2014 14: 10
                  +4
                   This method consists in 
                  that the various types of PLATs, SSBNs and SSGNs are created on the basis of a single project and must include completely 
                  identical bays and sections with the exception of the weapon bays. SSBN, in this case, is 
                  a torpedo boat with an embedded missile compartment, as was done on the first nuclear missile carriers.
                  As a further development of the principle of the basic platform in the Central Research Institute. A.N. Krylov is called 
                  the concept of a fully universal boat capable of carrying both strategic weapons and performing 
                  functions of SSNS, replacing all major types of nuclear submarines.
                   For this, it must be equipped with replaceable modules. 
                  weapons and other payloads, giving it extreme flexibility in use for the most 
                  varied tasks. According to the calculations of the authors of this concept, while ensuring a sufficiently fast change 
                  modules and maintaining combat readiness of about 80%, the submarine fleet of the Russian Federation may be limited to only 10-12 
                  units of a similar type. However, this statement should be taken with caution, since such 
                  a high operational stress ratio is unlikely to be achievable in the near future, despite 
                  the fact that the unification of boats and their modular design in combination with advanced avionics technologies 
                  contribute to shorter repair periods and short duration of routine maintenance.
                  Which path of development of nuclear submarines will ultimately take Russian designers? 
                  after the completion of the construction programs of projects 885 and 955, time will tell.

                  SOVIET AND RUSSIAN NUCLEAR SUBMARINES OF THE 4th AND 5th GENERATIONS   
                  1. surovts.valery
                    surovts.valery April 30 2014 14: 32
                    0
                    We already have experience: Yu.Dolgoruky and Severodvinsk were being completed, or built, as you like, using the backlog of block sections of unfinished buildings 971 and 941 of the project. Not from a good life, of course. But it's better to build than sit around and wait for something super-duper.
                    1. Anton Gavrilov
                      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 15: 08
                      +2
                      When constructing the 885 project, the shells of unfinished boats were not used !!! They were used to build the first 3 Boreev and will be used up to the 6 hull!
                  2. silver_roman
                    silver_roman April 30 2014 15: 05
                    +1
                    thanks for the info. extremely interesting!
                    and what is heard about VNEU for diesel-electric submarines?
                    what is the number of 885? have decided?
              2. Anton Gavrilov
                Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 15: 06
                +2
                What an absurdity? Nobody is going to resume the construction of the 971 project! By acting do you mean boats that have not been removed from construction? At Antey, you are going to replace Granites with Onyx!
          2. gispanec
            gispanec April 30 2014 14: 50
            -1
            Quote: Anton Gavrilov
            This is where our project 971 boats are being built ??

            stood on the Far East ... and was built and leased to India ... seal ...
          3. mpa945
            mpa945 April 30 2014 15: 44
            +2
            .600 meters is the ultimate test depth, how much it actually can withstand can only guess
            Enchantingly good
            The maximum immersion depth is the one at which the consequences will definitely not be. In tests of the head boat, they must dive for it.
            Working immersion depth -80% of the limit. When operating a submarine, you can dive as much as you want, there will be no fatigue failure.
            Estimated Depth 1,4
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith April 30 2014 14: 09
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          Quote: Anton Gavrilov
          8 to the mid-20's.



          USA at the moment only build nuclear submarines type "Virginia", while Russia builds boats of all three main classes - strategic missile carriers of project 955 "Borey" (type "Yuri Dolgoruky"), nuclear submarine cruisers - Project 949A Antey cruise missile carriers (Krasnodar type), multipurpose nuclear submarines of project 885 "Yasen" (type "Severodvinsk") and project 971 "Schuka-B" (type "Bars").


          I will argue about the construction of the 949A Antey APRK - yes, the modernization of the Granite missiles is being carried out with the more modern Onyx missiles and the Caliber missile system.

          K-148 Krasnodar 617 September 30, 1986 On disposal.
          K-173 Krasnoyarsk 618 December 31, 1986 On disposal.
          K-132 "Irkutsk" 619 December 30, 1988 As part of the Pacific Fleet, under repair.
          K-119 "Voronezh" 636 December 29, 1989 As part of the Federation Council, and under repair.
          K-410 Smolensk 637 December 22, 1990 As part of the Federation Council, under repair.
          K-442 Chelyabinsk 638 December 28, 1990 As part of the Pacific Fleet
          K-456 "Tver" 649 August 18, 1992 As part of the Pacific Fleet.
          K-266 "Eagle" 650 As part of the Federation Council. Under repair.
          K-186 "Omsk" 651 December 15, 1993 As part of the Pacific Fleet.

          K-141 "Kursk" 662 January 20, 1995 Died with the whole crew in the Barents Sea on August 12, 2000

          K-150 Tomsk 663 December 30, 1996 As part of the Pacific Fleet. Under repair.
          K-139 Belgorod 664 In 2012, according to the statement of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Vladimir Vysotsky, a decision was made on completion of special operations. project
          K-135 "Volgograd" 675 Laid down on September 2, 1993. In 1998, discontinued and mothballed.
          K-160 "Barnaul" 676 Not completed. Readiness for 2002 was 49%.
          TO-? 677 Not completed.
          TO-? 678 Not completed.
          TO-? 679 Not completed.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 30 2014 14: 23
            +1
            Quote: Sith Lord
            I will argue about the construction of the 949A Antey APRK - yes, the modernization of the Granite missiles is being carried out with the more modern Onyx missiles and the Caliber missile system.


            With Antaeus, yes. I got excited, the project itself is closed, only rearmament and modernization are going on without altering the hull. as it was already found out from the boats of the 4th and 5th generations, only 885 and 955 are being built. The "animal" line of the 971 project or whatever number the generation 3+ will have is not completely closed. It may be implemented after the end of the Ash and Borey projects, taking into account the promising projects of Malachite and Rainbow ... See my link from the post above. A student from Hamburg altered the Dolgoprudny MIPT report almost ten years ago without practically changing the name, although this report was not initially published in the public domain. laughing
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith April 30 2014 14: 31
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              With Antaeus, yes. I got excited, the project itself is closed, only rearmament and modernization are going on without altering the hull. as it was already found out from the boats of the 4th and 5th generations, only 885 and 955 are being built. The "animal" line of the 971 project or whatever number the generation 3+ will have is not completely closed. It may be implemented after the end of the Ash and Borey projects, taking into account the promising projects of Malachite and Rainbow ... See the link. A student from Hamburg altered the Dolgoprudny MIPT report almost ten years ago without practically changing the name, although this report was not initially published in the public domain. laughing


              Now under construction:
              SSBN - Strategic missile submarines 955A "Borey-A".

              MPLATRK - Multipurpose atomic torpedo submarines with cruise missiles 885M "Ash-M".

              DEPL- Diesel-electric and non-nuclear submarines 677 Lada и 636.3 "Varshavyanka".

              Plsn - Project special purpose submarines 20120 и 10831and 949A "Antey" converted to a research submarine.
            2. Anton Gavrilov
              Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 15: 20
              +4
              what is the 5 generation yet? And the 955 and 885 projects belong to the 4! And the first 3 Boreas have not formally fulfilled a number of requirements for the 4.
        3. gispanec
          gispanec April 30 2014 14: 49
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Project 949A Antey cruise missile carriers (Krasnodar type)

          ETOGES where do they sit ?? ... our rifled loaves?))
        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 30 2014 17: 20
          +4
          interesting information ... thank you ... I see no reason to worry about the fact that the amers will have "Virginias" ... Each side since the Soviet Union had its own spectrum of ships, in which they were better than the enemy ... USSR in they staked their time on submarines and today, neither the Americans nor the Europeans have come up with anything underwater better than Russian submarines ... the amers have a lot of experience in building aircraft carriers ... so let them build them so that our "volcanoes" and "granites" it was fun and fervent to try to miss such small targets ... that with regards to "Boreyev" and "Ash", what can I say, the cars "ze best"
          1. patsantre
            patsantre 1 May 2014 10: 07
            -1
            Not at all. If we talk about the RPKS, then compare the weapons of Borea and Ohio. The latter is significantly superior. True Borea is significantly newer, therefore better in terms of stealth. As for Ashen (who surpasses Boreev in secrecy and HAC), he is noisier than Virginia, Sivulf and Astyut. This becomes clear if you study them at least superficially, although there is no data on noise in the network. The latter also have a number of other technological advantages. At the same time, ashen remains superior in missile weapons and the traditional lag in torpedo.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 1 May 2014 15: 59
              +4
              let me disagree with you ... the data that experts provide for you and me is pure props ... no state will publicly publish de facto characteristics of its main striking trump cards ... this time ... the second: who told you that our cars are lagging behind in a torpedo bomb? ... but it's somehow inconvenient to even remind about the "squall" ... although I'm sure you at least heard about it ... that with regards to the fact that Russian cars dive deeper , even the Americans admit this ... and one more thing: I can also say that the issue of noise is also a big question, due to the fact that my information is different ...
              1. patsantre
                patsantre 1 May 2014 20: 31
                +1
                I think the data is still correct, but obviously very superficial. I have never seen data on the same HAC detection range or noise.
                On torpedoes Old saw repeatedly. We still do not have a normal torpedo with TV control. If you refute, I will only be glad.
                Nobody argues about the depth of "diving".
                Maybe Ash-M in terms of noise and equals Virginia. But indirect indicators, such as size, number of hulls, the presence of a water-jet propulsion device (we all have some half measures such as screws with reduced noise ... interestingly, is this how at all?) Speak in favor of the latter.
                She has other advantages, such as the ability to land an assault or carry a BPA.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 1 May 2014 20: 49
                  +4
                  exactly superficial ... we are told that something is being built somewhere and approximately in what quantity ... for the layman ... I found information about the "squall" where it was said about its imminent modernization and the creation on the basis of this torpedo missile "smart "a sample with a guidance system, etc. ... on torpedoes, the question is extremely controversial ... with regards to the propulsion unit and all mechanics, I will say this, there was a case with the US admiral (sorry I don’t remember the last name) ... during NATO exercises in the Pacific , he said that if there is at least one Russian submarine nearby, he will eat his cap ... I may be wrong, but its name is "Severodvinsk" ... it went out towards those regions, and after a while returned ... the captain received a hero of Russia for the campaign, and the admiral really ate his cap ...
    2. buzuke
      buzuke April 30 2014 12: 42
      +2
      The contract for the production of submarines was concluded with Electric Boat Corporation for a period from 2014 to 2024

      it will build one in a year. . I hate it.
    3. Muxomor
      Muxomor April 30 2014 13: 16
      0
      Why 10 "Ash" then?))) The Russian fleet has a defense doctrine and these 8 are still behind the eyes, our fleet now has another problem - there is a catastrophic shortage of ships of the corvette-frigate-destroyer classes, and these need to be built in dozens in order to provide combat stability of cruisers in squadrons and so as not to drive Somali pirates with destroyers, although there is essentially nothing for corvettes to do there.
      1. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 13: 29
        +3
        We need much more, because the current boats will last about 10 years and will be decommissioned. 8 Ash trees are certainly good, but 1 boats of this type are essentially 2-1 projects 949 Antei and 1 projects 971 Pike-B. As a result with a stretch we get 16 and we have more boats-2 945,2 945A, 10 971,7 949A, 4 671RTMK. And that 25 units you need at least 14 pieces for 7 for SF and Pacific Fleet.
    4. Pyckaya-dubina
      Pyckaya-dubina April 30 2014 13: 37
      -3
      The answer is an arms race, there is no sense in it, this can already be seen from history. It is necessary to develop new torpedoes for their destruction and new satellites for their determination, something modern and less expensive. This will be a competent answer!
  5. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 30 2014 11: 41
    +2
    The mattresses thought of updating their submarine fleet, otherwise their junk had already accumulated quite a lot. All in all, the answer to our new strategic nuclear submarines. This is to be expected. Until they put all these submarines into operation, we hope that more modern projects for that period will be implemented. The race has begun.
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    2. Roman1970
      Roman1970 April 30 2014 12: 17
      +2
      Yes ... an arms race ... Money is necessary for this matter immeasurably ...
    3. Baikal
      Baikal April 30 2014 12: 19
      +3
      The main thing is to do everything wisely. Do not overwork in these races.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 1 May 2014 17: 04
      +4
      you are wrong ... there will be no race in the form it was under the union ... Putin knows where this will lead ... if you analyze the latest various innovations of the Russian military-industrial complex, you come to the conclusion that Moscow is betting not on quantity, but on quality ... in other words, promising weapons are being produced ... with regards to submarines, missiles of any class and aircraft ... it is naive to believe that truthful information about this all comes to the layman ... but one thing I can say for sure - Russia is the leader in production of both missiles and submarines, and I'm not talking about quantitative leadership, but about quality ... besides, if the media talk about 8 Borei, this does not mean at all that there will not be 20 of them in fact, or thirty...
  6. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 30 2014 11: 42
    +2
    the printing press will be launched again ... bully
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 15: 19
      0
      Not again, but again.)
    2. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 30 2014 18: 02
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      the printing press will be launched again ...

      Sorry, your ears are already withering from the printing press. Tell me, how much money do you need to pay any of our plants to build 2, for example, "Borea" per year? Yes, pay at least 5 yards per unit, they can't.
      The industry should be developed, and not whine about the machine tool ... It's like commenting at the Beijing Olympics, "Chinese weightlifters have completely lost their conscience - they eat doping in buckets, if our drains ate, everyone would be torn."
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 1 May 2014 19: 05
        +4
        do you think that Sevastopol was wrongfully granted special status? m ... and why did you get that you have at least an approximate idea of ​​how many submarines Russia has laid down? The data that is published is far from the true state of things, and with this must be agreed ... maybe no power will speak the truth about its weapons to its potential opponents ...
        1. clidon
          clidon 1 May 2014 19: 28
          +2
          That is, secret submarines have been laid in secret shipyards, and no one knows. Right now, the progress of military development is being covered in full detail (even in China, much is becoming a subject of discussion, approximate plans for the supply of weapons to the PLA are being revealed), plans for the future and the budget are being discussed. Some actually closed developments are being kept secret (and of course the characteristics of the equipment) and that "awl", if it is larger than a machine gun, is already very difficult to hide in a bag. Therefore, for the submarine fleet, which is not small in size and is not cheap, the figures are generally known.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 1 May 2014 19: 50
            +4
            I don’t agree with you ... remember the construction of Baikonur at least ... and why did you decide that these are secret shipyards? Do you really think that NATO or Europe experts will be allowed to audit these facilities? ... this is a matter of the country's strategic security, not more and no less, and nobody like me will give you information about the actual state of things ... otherwise the role of the special services would simply be useless ... you can give many examples: the Caspian monster for example ... the Americans found out about it at the last stage of testing, and even that was a satellite image ...
            1. clidon
              clidon 1 May 2014 19: 54
              +2
              Are you talking about the USSR or about Russia? I am talking about the current state of military planning and its coverage for the public, when openly talking about procurement plans. In Soviet times, everything and everything was secret, and now they are asking that armored vehicles not spread the columns of traffic in YouTube. )
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 1 May 2014 20: 03
                +4
                and no one has canceled the information war ... but a lot is still classified now ... why? Yes, because the war did not stop for a minute! and think what to put on YouTube, say a photo with drawings of the same "BOREY", and you for that will be given the Order of Merit to the Fatherland stupid ... remember the story with at least a "squall" ...
                1. clidon
                  clidon 1 May 2014 20: 11
                  0
                  And here are the drawings - we are about plans for military construction, and they are still covered quite well. It is known that there was a discussion about how much to buy the same "Ash" (7,8 or 10) or "Boreyev", their bookmark is covered in the press, the names of the ships and the approximate construction time are known. The same applies to the construction of a diesel submarine, for whom and how much is being built.
                  Not disclosed, or only accurate plans for future purchases, only approximate figures.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 1 May 2014 20: 17
                    +4
                    and military building plans is not important information for the enemy? m ... why then recruit spies, spend a lot of money on building an agent network, if everyone says so in the media? m .. or did you build a pentagon for tourists? ... you would you tell your potential adversary about your plans, how and by what number are you going to weaken it?
                    1. clidon
                      clidon 1 May 2014 20: 31
                      0
                      Well, we now have a kind of democratic state, which is still telling its people what, how and how much their money is being spent. Therefore, even on this site every now and then they write where, how many and what kind of vehicles went into service.
                      Now the United States has announced the purchase of 10 Virginias, and has always announced (by the way, in more detail than ours) about its military programs. The number of truly secret developments in the Yankees was always small (mostly invisible, scouts, sabotage equipment). Are they greatly weakened by this?
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 1 May 2014 20: 40
                        +4
                        but what in fact do their stealths represent? m ... an airplane that is visible in the meter range on any radar ... The 119th subsonic whatnot, the raptor has been in a state of refinement for 10 years already! ... we are only told that they consider it necessary to speak, and in a state of war, democracy is not comme il faut at all ... and you cannot deny that the war did not end in 45 ... it is ongoing now ... so what kind of democracy are you talking about?
                      2. clidon
                        clidon 1 May 2014 21: 00
                        0
                        I will not discuss their stealth, our stealth, and even more so the raptor and his condition, which seems to me more than combat ready. Once it was a top-secret program and as a result set the direction of world aviation. And neither the Americans nor the Americans have any other aircraft (at a secret aerodrome), until the last 30 years have been revealed. That is, what they revealed to us there is generally true. They hide the nuances, but this is natural - there is always secrecy.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 April 30 2014 11: 42
    +9
    Our contracts are comparable, in principle. Our problem is the commissioning, and the construction time ...
    1. Muxomor
      Muxomor April 30 2014 13: 20
      -2
      The contracts are just the same incomparable our "Ash" has a cost of less than a lard of greenery, "Virginia" is about 2 lards
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT April 30 2014 13: 48
        0
        Quote: Muxomor
        The contracts are just the same incomparable our "Ash" has a cost of less than a lard of greenery, "Virginia" is about 2 lards

        the cost of labor is different! and Ash will also be bigger in size! hi
      2. patsantre
        patsantre 1 May 2014 10: 09
        +1
        What ??? According to various sources, ash costs 1.5 to 3 lard greens.
  • il2.chewie
    il2.chewie April 30 2014 11: 42
    +7
    Quote: AntiBrim
    let Che want to build, judging by the moral qualities of their crews are cowardly, and in which case they will dump right away, and a boat without a crew trough a metal


    Where does infa come from? No need to compare the submariners with the cowardly contractors from the destroyer, which they put on their pants after a couple of flights around our plane.
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M April 30 2014 11: 44
    -2
    The US Navy will receive ten Virginia-class submarines under the contract.
    Yeah, and our Navy has 1000 new mines, 1000 new torpedoes, and other things, that the Amers weren’t bored.
  • KOSMOS
    KOSMOS April 30 2014 11: 45
    +7
    Admittedly, a successful combat platform. It is necessary to rivet the "Ash" for the counterweight, "Boreas" must be covered!
    1. mpa945
      mpa945 April 30 2014 15: 50
      0
      Ash vs Virginia? Are you going to the hare with the DShK?
  • Little Muck
    Little Muck April 30 2014 11: 45
    +1
    For every tricky woman, we will always find horseradish with carvings. Well, or ten, we do not care. wassat drinks
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 April 30 2014 11: 45
    +3
    Another reason for improving systems and means for detecting and counteracting submarines ... is a challenge ... and there must be an adequate answer to it
  • Gagarin
    Gagarin April 30 2014 11: 46
    +6
    Delivery from 2014 to 2027 ...
    As if these years did not have to divide them between the NEW INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC - Texas, California, etc.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak April 30 2014 11: 47
    +2
    Have you ordered too much? Debt goes under the roof, and they order dozens of submarines, where does the money come from?
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 11: 51
      +1
      From the machine. If you do not take the machine into account, then they ordered it normally, it was possible even more Los Angeles in general, they riveted 62 pieces.
    2. avt
      avt April 30 2014 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Have you ordered too much?

      Well no . The deadlines for the withdrawal of Elks going to write-off are running out, and from here comes the attempt to maintain the minimum quantitative composition of the submarine.
      1. Muxomor
        Muxomor April 30 2014 13: 22
        +1
        Quite right - even taking into account these "Virginias", "moose" will be written off more - therefore, the quantitative composition of the US Navy will decrease
  • slavik_gross
    slavik_gross April 30 2014 12: 00
    +1
    US Navy will receive ten Virginia-type BATs under contract But what about "Economy should be Economical" ???
  • starpom
    starpom April 30 2014 12: 01
    +12
    What a patriotic site we have, it’s terrible. I read a comment in a previous topic that before you write something, you need to get into the topic (it was written much more seriously, but the point is). Do not underestimate the enemy. We and Elks deliver a bunch of problems, but these toys will be more serious.
  • leks
    leks April 30 2014 12: 03
    +6
    Quote: AntiBrim
    let Che want to build, judging by the moral qualities of their crews are cowardly, and in which case they will dump right away, and a boat without a crew trough a metal

    And why did you get the idea that their morale is weak and they will fall down from combat posts !?
  • Khalmamed
    Khalmamed April 30 2014 12: 06
    -1
    according to the durascope, there are a lot of infantry wearing glasses (optical), Afroamers are very good .., meaning the gangs put together Latinos in Amerolabad.
    then the darling of such Zoldat is too small, in any case, let them build it ..., a lot ..., it will be taken away in indemnities and reparations ..
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous April 30 2014 17: 10
      +1
      Do not give rest to the laurels of Petrosyan?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 April 30 2014 12: 12
    +9
    We have today, launched the stern of the Sevastopol UDC ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 30 2014 12: 40
      +1
      Well, they can. What prevents the riveting of aircraft carriers or cruisers in the same way? Each fleet simply needs to have 2-3 large surface ships.
  • Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 12: 13
    +1
    Nice boats, but it could be done much better. Torpedo armament and diving depth compared to Sea Wolf could not be cut so much. Yes, and the price when the lion's share of qualities are lost remains high, automation is not at the highest level, for not comparatively large there are too many 110-120 boats, for example, the French Barracuda will have a crew of 60 people. It loses to our Ash tree in a number of parameters, we can say with confidence that it is ahead of it only in noise, and even then only the lead boat, taking into account how it was built and, that the project’s potential is not fully realized in it, boats of the Yasen-M type have every chance, if not to surpass then at least very tightly approach it in this indicator. In general, to create a series of boats in which the emphasis is on actions in shallow areas near the coast, and note everywhere the possibility of conducting special operations with the landing of saboteurs using a special camera is especially mentioned, and is considered one of the main advantages of this type of submarine! This is not serious, at least in my opinion.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 30 2014 15: 13
      0
      Quote: Anton Gavrilov
      This is not serious, at least in my opinion.

      here you need to look at the root. it is known that corruption and kickbacks in the amerskoy army are off the charts. Our Serdyuk and Chubais are just children in comparison with the "overseas sharks"!
      so it is likely that one of the enterprises, which has a huge influence in the political circles, needs generous funding through such an order.
      There was once an article about abrams. in fact, they have in abundance, but they still seem to be printed.
    2. mpa945
      mpa945 April 30 2014 16: 06
      +1
      Strongly support. In all respects a minus. And the price is great.
      At the expense of the noise ... If we didn’t read the brochures, then even 1994, 971, which had surrendered at that time, went to the "Background noise of the sea"
      A further decrease in absolute values ​​is unpromising.
      Another issue is to increase the "quiet mode" time.
      And this is not the work of the main mechanisms, but auxiliary ones.
  • Wiruz
    Wiruz April 30 2014 12: 14
    +1
    No, "Ash" of course is steeper in all respects, only that they are not enough to order something. How many are there, eight? Few. By the way, this also applies to “Boreas”.
    A question for knowledgeable people: what prevents Russia from having an SSBN and PLACR as part of the Black Sea Fleet?
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 12: 21
      +4
      There is no point in atomic submarines on the Black Sea.Atomic submarines are primarily intended for operations in the ocean, on open TVDs. The Black Sea, like the Baltic Sea, is a closed TVD - small submarines are much better suited for them, in other words, they build diesel-electric submarines. That’s why, by the way, the USA doesn’t have a diesel-electric submarine; there’s simply nowhere to use it, the Gulf of Mexico does not count, because Mexico will not have a normal fleet for a very long time.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz April 30 2014 12: 27
        0
        But after all, no one prevents them (nuclear submarines) from passing through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean Sea, and there the ocean is not far off. Simply, roughly speaking, or to the shores of our "partners" to sail from Severomorsk or from Sevastopol. request
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 30 2014 12: 44
          +2
          It does not interfere, but it is too easy to block the Bosphorus. A minesweeper walked a couple of times, sowed mines, an anti-submarine got up in the aisle and that’s it.
          1. Wiruz
            Wiruz April 30 2014 13: 09
            +3
            And the next day, a referendum on the status of Constantinople - the revival of Byzantium. And all wink
          2. O. BENDER
            O. BENDER April 30 2014 13: 12
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            It does not interfere, but it is too easy to block the Bosphorus. A minesweeper walked a couple of times, sowed mines, an anti-submarine got up in the aisle and that’s it.

            The best option is to build a nuclear power plant along the coast of MOT.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman April 30 2014 15: 15
              +2
              and a little to the west of these nuclear power plants to build fans blowing east bully
    2. be0560
      be0560 April 30 2014 12: 23
      +1
      Closure and depths of the sea
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    4. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 30 2014 12: 42
      +1
      What is stopping Russia from having an SSBN and PLACR as part of the Black Sea Fleet?

      I think it just doesn't make sense. It is small and closed. Where is the PLACR? But strategists will not turn around at all.
    5. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 12: 42
      +5
      Not all of them are cooler, Virginia has a lower noise level, this is more than obvious, there are questions about the detection range of our boat, but everything should be fine, it’s hardly worse than the American ones, at least until the 3 block there is already a new GAS antenna. Do not forget about the future - Virginia has better modernization potential as it has a special modular compartment that can be easily replaced with another, it can accommodate a variety of systems from the airlock to missile silos or compartments with combat drones . Our boat t But our boat has more powerful weapons, both missile and torpedo ones (especially the last one), the maximum immersion depth is the ultimate test 500 and 600, and especially the working 240 and 480-520. Higher level of automation, crew 110-120 against Our 90, lower cost, serial boats of the Yasen-M type will cost about 30 billion rubles, each American boat of the new 4 block will cost about 2 times more expensive, earlier blocks cost even more. There is no maximum speed when underwater single data here or parity or predominantly in our submarine, our speed is 31, the knot is American 32, but there is evidence that it has the speed of 25 knots, God forbid that the last digit is closer to the truth. I already said about the noise, then it almost certainly loses, the engineer from malachite to In general, he told me how the head boat was built, and a number of facts confirm his words - in short, when it was built, it was not to the lowest possible noise level, but to at least somehow build a normal, working machine. Yes and do not forget it was laid 20 years ago and initially it designed I didn’t have to bring all the equipment of the submarine to the modern illusion standards in this regard, I didn’t have to feed it. Yes, and besides, a lot of the equipment of the boat is not native, so to speak, what was conceived, and what was. But the Yasen-M project is already being built with modern equipment and the noise level due to this will be much, once again emphasized MUCH BELOW than Severodvinsk. Electronics - such systems as HAS, HAK, BIUS antennas and everything else there corresponds to modern standards in Malachite, they basically worked in the zero, when the boats returned to the construction again, then it was greatly processed.
      1. mpa945
        mpa945 April 30 2014 16: 31
        0
        And here I do not agree.
        Virginia has better modernization potential as it has a special modular compartment that can easily be replaced with another, it can accommodate a variety of systems ranging from the lock chamber to missile silos or compartments with combat drones. Our boat does not have this.

        Replace the compartment is it like? Cut and weld a new one?
        .About the noise, I already said, here she loses almost uniquely, the engineer from malachite outlined to me how the head boat was built, and a number of facts confirm his words - in short, when it was built, it was not to the lowest possible noise level, but to in order to somehow build a normal, working car. Yes, and do not forget, it was laid down 20 years ago and it was originally designed at the level of technology that was in those years, and not all the equipment of the submarine was brought to modern illusion standards Yes, and a lot of the equipment of the boat is not native, so to speak, I had to set up not what was planned, but what was

        I also cited above. In the nineties, on an "outdated" base, they reached the level of background sea noise during tests. Where to go?
        Severodvinsk and subsequent is generally a special article. Our answer to Sivulf.
        And against Elk and Virginia, the modernized 945 and 971 will work fine
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 19: 45
          +1
          Virginias were built on a modular design, the central module was made replaceable, such a solution was tested on the 3rd Sea Wolf-on Jimmy Carter. Roughly speaking, yes, cut and weld a new one. At that time, the Shchuk-B equipment was modern, now it has already passed 20 In any case, summing up all the facts, Severodvinsk most likely loses to the Si Wolves and Virginias in noise, but hardly significantly. All the same, it was originally conceived as an answer to Si Wolfe, therefore, initially the noise level should have been no worse, and taking into account the successes with 971 -m project is even better. But the engineer from Malachite told me a completely logical thing about its construction. The boat was designed at the dawn of the USSR, and all the equipment was supposed to be naturally from the USSR, and the enterprises supplying components were scattered throughout the republics. The USSR collapsed, a significant part of the manufacturers ended up "abroad", after, as we know, the entire economy in the post-Soviet space went into a steep peak, many enterprises that produced components for Yasen she either ceased to exist, or switched to the production of civilian or other products. When, after 4 years of inactivity, they returned to the boat again, many enterprises had already ceased to exist. He told me on one speculative example (on the direct, due to secrecy, of course, he could not) how most of the equipment was mounted there - the foundation was mounted, there is an outlet, there is a cable supplying electricity, but the pump itself, which was originally planned, is not, there is another, but of a worse quality. The pump came, but it has a different foundation, different mass and dimensional characteristics , the connector for the power cable on the other side, and the hole for the pipe directly pumping out water on the other side too. And there is no alternative to this pump. So I had to turn it out in all sorts of ways in order to just simply put it in an elementary way. And then during the tests it turns out that the old the cable remained, and the hole for the pipe too, and questions arise - what and why. A weighty part of 2500 comments to submarine has something like this.
        2. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 19: 48
          0
          So under such circumstances, think about the minimum noise level.
      2. patsantre
        patsantre 1 May 2014 10: 42
        0
        I put you the pros, very adequate and balanced reasoning, but I disagree on some points.
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        our boat doesn’t have this. But on the other hand, our boat has more powerful weapons, both missile and torpedo ones (especially the last one), the maximum immersion depth is higher than the test ones 500 and 600, and especially the working ones, 240 and 480-520

        In terms of the quality of the torpedoes themselves, we have traditionally been behind. As far as I know, a really worthwhile torpedo has not been developed, comparable to the American mk.
        Regarding the depth of diving Virginia is also a question. There is practically no doubt that Ash is superior to it in this parameter, but the numbers 240 and 500 themselves look unrealistic, why is there such a difference in working and maximum depth?
        If possible, I would like to know what measures were taken in Yasen-M to reduce noise.
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 1 May 2014 14: 34
          0
          Now work is underway on the UGST Physicist-torpedo is promising, looked at the characteristics, no worse than foreign counterparts (in particular, American). It should be the basis of the torpedo armament of Ashen. It is possible that they decided to find out the limit of capabilities, so to speak. British Astyut is also very there’s a big difference between the working and maximum test diving depths in my 350 and 590 (I remember the last digit exactly). If you really read everything I wrote, then you know how the equipment was mounted on the head there are no such problems on the Yasen-M project boat, especially since the delay in the construction of Kazan is largely due to the fact that after the tests of Severodvinsk, a lot of changes were made to it so that there would be no difficulties like on the first boat. the main reason for reducing noise is new equipment. In Severodvinsk, not all equipment is up to date, the Yasen-M project is today completely. Summing up all of the above, the construction and installation of equipment is much better, a lot of changes are made, all 100% about orudovaniya are advanced (in percentage below the head), the use of new tools (e.g. Silencing electro-magnetic field), it must be concluded and secrecy-noise particularly in boats type Ash-M is significantly lower than that of the head of the boat.

          Something like this.)
          1. patsantre
            patsantre 1 May 2014 20: 39
            0
            Thanks for the educational program drinks I hope you know what you're talking about)
    6. Muxomor
      Muxomor April 30 2014 13: 27
      +4
      Why are they needed on the Black Sea? For nuclear submarines, the Mediterranean Sea is like a saucepan with meatballs, and Black is generally like a plate, again through the straits they happened with NATO, how to push through the war? Vaughn Geben in a similar situation went into the straits so there until the end of 1 MV and remained. Nuclear boats are ocean ships inland seas are the kingdom of diesels, in these seas any nuclear submarine or large ship is an easy target for the same "warsaw"
    7. strannik595
      strannik595 April 30 2014 13: 57
      +2
      A question for knowledgeable people: what prevents Russia from having an SSBN and PLACR as part of the Black Sea Fleet?
      ......... because pikes swim in the pond, not sharks ........ the kingdom is not enough, there is no place to roam
    8. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 13: 58
      0
      AHHA.A I was wondering if anyone would notice this except me, but I see that it is not. Not PLAKR, but PLARK.)
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    11. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 30 2014 15: 17
      +1
      ships with nuclear reactors cannot be in the Black Sea.
      the stump is clear that if something happened these agreements were all in mind, as was the MOntre, which was successfully ignored by the states. Turks are puppets, what can I say!
  • Fiero
    Fiero April 30 2014 12: 16
    +1
    There are already 10 of them, and another 8 is laid down. And now another 10 have been ordered ... There are only 8 more clear.
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 12: 44
      0
      There are no solutions for ordering 9 and 10 Boreev.
    2. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 13: 05
      0
      Sorry, what you said about Boreas.
    3. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 13: 06
      +1
      Regarding the number of Ashes, no one says that they will not order the 2020-2025 program yet.
      1. 11 black
        11 black April 30 2014 15: 54
        0
        Do not forget about the statement about the development of a new nuclear missile and torpedo submarine, which will be simpler and cheaper than ash and which they are going to put into a larger series - it’s very important now not to repeat the mistakes of the USSR and look for asymmetric answers that are as low as possible, you can’t ruin an economy that has not yet become stronger
        In addition, do not forget about NAPL, they are the quietest in the world and ideal as submarines of the near zone - to sneak unnoticed to Virginia and defuse all TAs by surprise of an adversary with a little Warsaw who has no less chances than an ash tree
        The news is certainly unpleasant, but expected - and it’s not worth panicking here IMHO
        1. Fiero
          Fiero April 30 2014 16: 43
          0
          about the development of a new nuclear missile and torpedo submarine, which will be simpler and cheaper than ash, and which they are going to put into a larger series - it’s very important now not to repeat the mistakes of the USSR and look for asymmetric answers that are as low as possible, you can’t ruin the still not strong economy

          Can you link to the new "budget" SSGN?
          And don’t forget that the development of a new boat also costs a lot of money.
        2. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 19: 51
          0
          IMHO, where did you see the news about the fact that the official start of work on the new simplified Ash project was given?

          I remember here the article was - the nuclear submarine Severodvinsk was recognized as too expensive, it seems that it was called - the author, more I can not say anything. About the "experts" who made this statement, I have the same opinion.
  • Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 April 30 2014 12: 21
    +2
    Yes, and the cruiser to them in the bay, spent in the white house
  • novel68rus
    novel68rus April 30 2014 12: 42
    0
    I think we don’t have all the info about our submarine fleet ... there is something we don’t know about. Mattresses didn’t expect that the morally old Su 24 could calmly attack their trough .. that’s all the praised Aegis ..
    1. Muxomor
      Muxomor April 30 2014 13: 37
      +1
      Of course))) Americans just revisited the Hollywood movie about Superman, Captain America and Rambo))) In fact, the United States, Great Britain and Canada are very vulnerable and ALL NATO forces are simply stupidly not enough to ensure the safety of the European and European plankton-voter, a banal passage a couple of Tu-95 veterans (by the way, in a few days our "partners" warn about the passage, route and height so that there are no excesses and the fingers on the triggers do not itch) and that causes hysteria in their media because it comes to plankton if this Tu-95 happens to go further from the ocean side and shoot out KRami, then London, Paris and Berlin will flicker with a tenfold dose of radiation for another 40-50 years, the same hat is with the USA and Canada)))
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous April 30 2014 17: 14
        +2
        "a banal passage of a couple of Tu-95 veterans (by the way, our partners warn the" partners "in a few days about the passage, route and height so that there are no excesses and the fingers on the triggers do not itch) and he causes hysteria in their media"
        While it is known for sure that this causes hysteria and a squirting of saliva for joy among local Internet hamsters who are ready to sink American aircraft carriers with a rubber boat with a dozen paratroopers
  • armageddon
    armageddon April 30 2014 12: 44
    -1
    Quote: Lyubimov
    It's hard to get off the submarine laughing

    hmm ... personal coffins of NATO !!!
    1. O. BENDER
      O. BENDER April 30 2014 13: 25
      -1
      Quote: Armagedon
      Quote: Lyubimov
      It's hard to get off the submarine laughing

      hmm ... personal coffins of NATO !!!

      ... MAUSOLEUES
    2. Igor75
      Igor75 April 30 2014 13: 50
      +4
      Before writing such x..nu, I thought, would be brains. A boat, if anything, is a mass grave for any crew, and if you remember how many catastrophes we had with boats, then it's better to keep quiet about the "NATO coffins".
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf April 30 2014 13: 17
    +1
    There, in my opinion, on the Ukrainian-Russian border, a moat was dug ....
    So these boats will probably be sent there. To guard the Turchinov border.
    But seriously, it is not clear why so much? - change the park ?!
    Russia has no coastal borders like theirs. Pacific and Atlantic. They won’t go into the Arctic, the rest of the closed seas are internal ?! Again, if on missile weapons, then they seem to have not heard of new developments. then they will grind under the old request ?!
  • Igor75
    Igor75 April 30 2014 13: 42
    +4
    Quote: Alexey M
    The US Navy will receive ten Virginia-class submarines under the contract.
    Yeah, and our Navy has 1000 new mines, 1000 new torpedoes, and other things, that the Amers weren’t bored.

    The stupidity of "Hurray-patriots" is surprising. Such patriots with the thought "Yes, we are one of them!" before 1941 there were many, and then they saw the light. You need to be a patriot, but with brains! Come on, minus.
    In order to use torpedoes and other things, the boat still needs to be found, but with modern technology this is not an easy task, so it will be boring for us to live. One boat a year is a fantastic pace for us, but as for Ash, we will lose it while it is brought to mind.
    1. Alexey M
      Alexey M April 30 2014 14: 37
      0
      And patrol ships, torpedo boats, helicopters, airplanes and other means of fighting submarines? Submarines are not a panacea for all ills.
      1. Igor75
        Igor75 April 30 2014 15: 28
        +1
        I would like to remind you about Operation Atrina. There the Americans raised all the anti-submarine forces to their feet and could not detect ours! And yet - before his departure, Gorshkov regretted that they could not open any patrolling area of ​​American strategists.
        Well, is it easy to find a boat?
  • Velesovich
    Velesovich April 30 2014 13: 53
    +2
    The Americans at one time rejected the Seawulf project as too expensive and redundant in the face of the collapse of the USSR. And they began to churn out a much simpler and cheaper Virginia. We, having an order of magnitude weaker economy, continue to build extremely expensive and complex Ash trees. Undoubtedly, Ash is a serious thing, but the pace of its construction is terrifying. In the coming years, Soviet submarines will still have to be disabled, but how can they be changed? 3-4 Ash, no matter how perfect they are, will not be able to replace several dozen Anteyev and Shchuk.
  • ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej April 30 2014 14: 38
    +1
    So what we see. The USA has 42 obsolete submarines such as Los Angeles (built in 1976-1996). Replacements for these submarines until 2020 are not expected. By 2020, 22 of them will remain in service. And that is unlikely. The huge costs of maintaining and operating multipurpose submarines are forcing the US leadership to reduce their numbers. Even according to its own plans, the US Navy is expected that their number should be reduced to 2025 units by 44.

    Further. 14 obsolete submarines of the Ohio type (built 1984-1997). Replacements are also not being built. Plans for a new Ohio do not exist in nature. How many will be written off and how many will remain in service in 2020? Well, obviously not all 14 pieces.

    Total remains: 9 real + 13 virtual Virginia, 3 Sivulf submarines built in 1997-2004 and 4 Ohio submarines built in 2004-2007. For reference: the submarine Virginia has a displacement of 7800 tons. Ashen's displacement is 13800 tons. Borea has 24000 tons.

    The basis of the Russian submarine fleet for 2013 are: 13 atomic submarines with ballistic missiles, 8 nuclear submarines with cruise missiles and 19 multi-purpose nuclear submarines. Only 68 submarines.
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 30 2014 15: 17
      +2
      About Los Angeles. You obviously forgot that the Americans have the practice of making blocks in technology. The last 3 block in Los Angeles is not obsolete! What are the other virtual ones? They already have 10 Virginia in service, 1 will be completed this year.

      By the way, it’s not good that Yasen’s displacement is almost 2 times greater than that of Virginia. Until the 20 of the year, is it expected? And are Virginia actually speaking of whose replacement they are building?
      1. ankh-andrej
        ankh-andrej April 30 2014 15: 57
        0
        I do not see any contradictions with the data presented. Indicated for 2013 9 Virginia + 13 in the plans. You say today 10 pieces + 1 in construction. The rest still need to be built. Los Angeles will cut back. What's wrong?
        According to the current US Navy procurement plan for 30 years, the fleet of multipurpose submarines in 2022 will be less than the permissible minimum of 48 units, and after 6 years only 41 submarines will remain.
        http://flot.com/nowadays/concept/opposite/submarinesgap.htm?print=Y
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 1 May 2014 12: 30
          0
          Virginia is going to make a series of 40 pieces.
          Now explain to me why you took into account the cancellation of Amer’s boats, but not ours?
          Why do you diligently fill in about obsolete Amer boats, but forget that our pikes and loaves are not newer?
          Quote: ankh-andrej
          The basis of the Russian submarine fleet for 2013 are: 13 atomic submarines with ballistic missiles, 8 nuclear submarines with cruise missiles and 19 multi-purpose nuclear submarines. Only 68 submarines.

          Fucking math. By the way, where did the 19 ICAPL come from? Well, even 19, you know how many of them are in operation? And how many loaves are operated? Half of our submarine rot at the berth is unusable.
          1. ankh-andrej
            ankh-andrej 1 May 2014 13: 23
            0
            summary table
            by the Russian Navy 2014
            Class BF BSF SF TOF KVFl Total
            Nuclear submarines
            with ballistic missiles - - 10 4 - 14
            Nuclear submarines
            with cruise missiles - - 4 5 - 9
            Nuclear submarines
            multi-purpose - - 14 5 - 19
            Nuclear submarines
            special operations - - 8 - - 8
            Diesel submarines
            special operations - - 1 - - 1
            Diesel submarines 2 2 7 8 - 19
            Total Submarines: 70
            http://russian-ships.info/today/
            1. clidon
              clidon 1 May 2014 18: 59
              0
              An amendment is needed here - not all of these boats are really combat-ready. Some are simply listed in the ranks, like the Black Sea "St. George".
    2. Igor75
      Igor75 April 30 2014 15: 51
      +1
      Well, if Los Angeles is considered obsolete, what can we say about our 671RTMKs, which are already really outdated. They are written off, and new ones when they start to be mass-produced still unknown.
      1. mpa945
        mpa945 April 30 2014 16: 44
        +1
        Well, if Los Angeles is considered obsolete, what can we say about our 671RTMKs, which are already really outdated. They are written off, and new ones when they start to be mass-produced still unknown.

        And what can I say about them ... They are outdated before they were built.
        Elk -3 generation.
        RTMK - 2+ ...
        Something like this.
        1. Igor75
          Igor75 April 30 2014 17: 45
          -1
          [And what can I say about them ... They are outdated before they were built]

          The release year is about the same.
          1. mpa945
            mpa945 April 30 2014 17: 54
            0
            Well, yes.
            They only built them in order to load the Admiralty shipyards.
            Massively, inexpensively and inefficiently. recourse
    3. alex84
      alex84 April 30 2014 23: 39
      0
      This nonsense 100 times to retype yet not tired.

      14 obsolete submarines of the Ohio type (built 1984-1997). Replacements are also not being built. Plans for a new Ohio do not exist in nature.


      He lagged behind life, the Pentagon determined the requirements for new strategists, design work is ongoing.

      The Virginia submarine project includes at least 30 boats, can be expanded to 50, so everything goes according to plan. Better consider not what remains, but what will be with us and stop retyping this nonsense
      1. ankh-andrej
        ankh-andrej 1 May 2014 11: 07
        +1
        Quote: alex84
        The Virginia submarine project includes at least 30 boats, can be expanded to 50, so everything goes according to plan.

        We'll see.
  • shaman-25rus
    shaman-25rus April 30 2014 14: 44
    -1
    10 submarines for 2024 year? will not work. titanium is not enough. (Russian).
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 30 2014 15: 22
      -1
      in-in.
      Rogozin portends them to launch their astronauts with a trampoline! so empty boats are being built, made of cast iron lol
    2. clidon
      clidon April 30 2014 15: 28
      0
      What does titanium have to do with it - there is very little of it in the "Virginias" ...
      1. shaman-25rus
        shaman-25rus April 30 2014 16: 05
        -1
        how little?
        1. mpa945
          mpa945 April 30 2014 16: 49
          +1
          Diminishingly negligible negative
          1. shaman-25rus
            shaman-25rus April 30 2014 19: 08
            0
            it's a pity. we need titanium. would be captured
        2. clidon
          clidon April 30 2014 17: 51
          +1
          We can say that almost none. Separate retractable devices, covers of automatically controlled technological hatches. In general, where the mass seriously limits the execution devices.
          In addition, this metal is of American origin and processing. We are not working for the US military industry.
  • capex1
    capex1 April 30 2014 15: 10
    -1
    Yes, and H.R.E.N. with them!!!!
  • Dangerous
    Dangerous April 30 2014 17: 06
    +4
    Ohhrenev simple - for one comment on the topic, three or four pseudo-patriotic with an admixture of flat humor, which simply occupy a place here and take time! Maybe you (pseudo-patriots) are better off commenting on funny pictures and stupid jokes on YouTube? You will be much more respected there !!
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 April 30 2014 17: 54
      0
      Quote: Dangerous
      Maybe you (pseudo-patriots) are better off commenting on funny pictures and stupid jokes on YouTube?

      Can make room for comics, let them litter space, time and brains in "their" world. Wasting time for reading nonsense, nerves is worth ...
  • sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 30 2014 17: 42
    +2
    Two boats a year .. I was impressed. Anyone can throw hats. Prove the opposite .. Just words will remain just words. Air shocks, nothing more. They know how. What can you do? We must strive for it ourselves .. But this I don’t see. Just words and showdowns. Who stole more or less. The result is important. But I don’t see him either .. Chatting further? Knocking on the clave does not show the level of patriotism .. And the site is striving for this more and more. Has anyone ever thought of working?
    1. mpa945
      mpa945 April 30 2014 17: 59
      0
      Well do not be so gloomy.
      Or did you expect that on Topwar all of Malachite and Sevmash?
      I'm afraid the site would be "closed".
      1. sazhka4
        sazhka4 April 30 2014 18: 05
        0
        Quote: mpa945
        Well do not be so gloomy.

        But as ? With songs, dances, corporate parties.? How? Share your experience .. "Treatment" is always WORK. Something is not visible BUILDERS of boats. Pensioners and hell knows who ..
        1. mpa945
          mpa945 April 30 2014 18: 31
          0
          Ek you. Either black or white.
          Yes People in the subject are a minority.
          Close the site for those who are not in the subject?
          Or just for "Hurray"?
          And for "all wasted"?
  • Signaller
    Signaller April 30 2014 18: 12
    0
    Project "Virginia" multipurpose nuclear submarines were created in 1997 and are designed to fight the enemy fleet. Displacement up to 10 tons. Some of the smallest. They rivet like on a stream. So what ???? We will not seem weak. They will, if anything, heat our transports. And we are their "Sharks". Type Elephant chasing Pug will become ??????? We need something else, the same small. And the same type of nuclear submarine. Diesel type Varshavyanka ?? Well it is. Not that calico. She, albeit quieter, cannot pass so much under water with great speed. will come off and vindyurit ASrokom - I do not even doubt.
  • Leshka
    Leshka April 30 2014 19: 19
    0
    shitty news
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K April 30 2014 20: 16
    0
    Quote: skrgar
    In this they will be brave guys .. Heroic drapes into the abyss will))

    Do not carry nonsense! Submariners are the educated elite of the entire army. On the ship, the captain is GOD and the PRESIDENT. He will shoot any coward, traitor and rioter on the spot without trial. And since Americans do not suffer from morality, all sailors and officers know how their life will end as soon as something is blown away.
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  • ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 1 May 2014 13: 52
    0
    Until 2020, it is planned to carry out a deep modernization of 12 multipurpose nuclear submarines of projects: 949AM - 4, 971M - 6, 945M - 2. The characteristics of these submarines will not be inferior, and in some indicators, for example, in terms of the ammunition of strike missile weapons, surpass their foreign counterparts ".

    Chirkov recalled that at the end of 2012 the nuclear submarine with ballistic missiles of project 955 K-535 "Yuri Dolgoruky" was accepted into the combat composition of the Northern Fleet. By the end of the year, the grouping of naval strategic nuclear forces will be replenished with two more submarines of the fourth generation K-550 "Alexander Nevsky" and K-551 "Vladimir Monomakh". These submarines are intended for the planned replacement of Project 667BDR submarines of the Pacific Fleet that have served their deadlines. All submarine cruisers are armed with the new Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile.

    According to the admiral, "the tests of the nuclear submarine with cruise missiles K-560 Severodvinsk are nearing completion. The cruiser is capable of carrying up to 32 units of strike missile weapons, including long-range precision weapons."

    “The construction of the modernized nuclear submarine with cruise missiles K-561 Kazan continues, - noted Chirkov. - This year the first serial modernized cruiser of this project K-573 Novosibirsk was laid.

    According to the commander-in-chief, construction of non-nuclear submarines is underway, the use of which is advisable in the waters of closed seas and in skerry areas. There are currently three diesel submarines of Project 636 for the Black Sea Fleet under construction, with a completion date of 2014. Three more such submarines will arrive on the Black Sea Fleet before the end of 2016. In addition, two non-nuclear submarines of project 667M [meaning 677M] with an air-independent power plant are being built for the Northern Fleet. Until the end of 2020, the Navy will receive four more non-nuclear submarines of the new project.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/607475.html