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Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine?

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Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine?



Imagine that the collapse of Soviet communism more than two decades ago proceeded in other forms than those that took place in reality. This could happen if the dramatic and rapid events of 1991 took a slightly different turn, along with the key people who participated in them.

Today, this collapse is associated with the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of 15 independent republics in its place. But the collapse of that union did not necessarily have to be part of the failure and demise of Lenin's methods of organizing politics, economics, and society, which we knew as Soviet communism.

It is true that by the beginning of 1991, separatist sentiments began to play a significant role in the political crisis growing in the Soviet Union, which was accompanied by declarations of independence of the Baltic republics and Georgia. Nevertheless, even after this, the collapse of the union was by no means a matter resolved. In order to bring the Lithuanians back into service, the Center used military force, and Mikhail Gorbachev advocated the adoption of a new union treaty, which instead operated from 1922, in an effort to soften the mood in the non-Russian republics while retaining a certain kind of association.

By political forms, which later in 1991 will take over the events in the USSR, the career path of Boris Yeltsin was no less relevant than anything else. Before, together with Gorbachev and others, to fall away from the Soviet regime, Yeltsin managed to grow to leadership positions in the allied power structure. It so happened that he carried out his political return in the government of the Russian republic, the president of which was elected in the middle of 1991. Thus, Yeltsin found himself in the position in which he had climbed a tank in order to lay siege to the Soviet conservatives who were trying to stage a coup in August, when Gorbachev was on vacation at his summer cottage in the Crimea. This meant that as soon as the coup suffered a defeat, and Gorbachev’s influence began to fall, and Yeltsin grew, the power of the federal government went to the Russian republic. Yeltsin gathered the Allied ministries and made them Russian, and when Gorbachev resigned as the last Soviet president later this year, there was only one empty shell left from the allied government.

One can imagine another, quite plausible scenario, in which state structures that appeared on the ruins of the USSR would look much different. Suppose that Yeltsin committed his defiant act with climbing up a tank not as president of the Russian republic, but as a reformist party leader in the Moscow region — a post that he held at one time, sitting at the same time in the CPSU political bureau. Perhaps this would mean maintaining substantial power at the level of the renewed union.
Such speculation says nothing about the relative probability of a postulated scenario, although this scenario can serve as a basis for a useful mental experiment if it is at least plausible. Nationalist sentiment in the constituent republics would always be a serious factor to be considered. Probably the most incredible for any preserved post-Soviet union would be the inclusion of the Baltic republics. They were the only among the republics of the USSR in their stories independent states - back in 1940 year. The United States and the West have never recognized their annexation by Moscow, and the orientation of the Balts to the West has always been strong.

It is worth doing the following relevant mental experiment - to ask: if a certain kind of alliance (even without the Baltic states) survived, how would we in the US appreciate the events of the nineties, and what would be our interests in this part of the world that we would see today? In this case, there would still be reasonable grounds to say that the cold war was over, and that “victory” in it was on our side. Moscow would have already lost its Eastern European empire, and the Warsaw Pact Organization would have ceased to exist. Although such a characteristic collapse of the USSR, which actually took place with the formation of 14 independent states and the successor country of Russia, would not have happened, the collapse of Soviet communism and the Leninist system would still be obvious. This collapse would have been immortalized in the new name of the union, since it would no longer call itself “Soviet” or “socialist”. The name chosen in the framework of the new union treaty, which was negotiated in Gorbachev's time, was the “Union of sovereign states”. Creating a handful of new, completely independent Eurasian national states was no more characteristic of victory in the Cold War than the subsequent later divorce of the Czechs and the Slovaks or the breakup of Yugoslavia.

George Kennan did not address the issue of nationality or the breakup of the union in his programmatic article X, on containment. The article operates with the words "Soviet" and "Russian" almost as interchangeable. He left open many possible successful outcomes of the Cold War containment policy, stating that the self-destructive forces, which he saw in the Soviet Union, "must sooner or later find a way out either in decay or in the gradual loosening of the Soviet power."

When answering the question of a mental experiment, other factors should be kept in mind. One of them is that it is difficult to say about the political history of a number of former Soviet non-Russian republics that there are victories of freedom and democracy in its Western sense. In this particular attitude, the collapse of the Soviet Union does not apply to them either. The current reminder, geographically close to the West, is the screaming authoritarianism of Alexander Lukashenkov in Belarus. In several republics, independence was expressed in the fact that, as presidents, regional leaders from the Communist Party seized power. Two of these chiefs, Nursultan Nazarbayev in Kazakhstan and Islam Karimov in Uzbekistan, are still in power. Another of them, Saparmurat Niyazov in Turkmenistan, created a personality cult comparable to that of Stalin and the Kim family in North Korea. Some of these autocratic people, including Lukashenko and Niyazov, were even against the collapse of the USSR.



All this has to do with how the United States should today perceive its interests in connection with the crisis in Ukraine. If the Union of sovereign states now existed, it would be headed by Russians in Moscow, and Ukraine would be a part of it. We in the USA would still be proud winners in the Cold War, happy from the realization that Marxism-Leninism is discredited, and the Communists in this part of the world are reduced to political opposition. Life in this situation for most American and Western observers would not be a particular problem.

Of course, interests, as well as how they should be understood and how they are actually understood, are determined not by a hypothetical alternative history, but by real events. In the Ukrainian situation, the most affected interests relate to compliance with international norms, especially non-aggression norms and respect for state sovereignty. The 1991 events of the year do not cancel the facts of geography and demography, which, regardless of whether we like to think so or not, suggest that Russia has a much greater strategic interest in the distribution of power in and around Ukraine than in the United States.

We don’t like to think so, in part because the 1991 events of the year gave us a bonus to our victory in the Cold War in the form of the complete collapse of the USSR and the sudden, sharp compression of the Russian influence zone. Everything that is felt as a loss for our side (as any recovery of Russian influence in the area would be perceived) is harder to accept than to not win, and it doesn’t matter whether what was lost as a bonus at one time or not. This is a good illustration of the theory of perspectives, but not the best basis for the protection of national interests and the creation of history.

The “finlandization” of Ukraine remains the best, and probably the only feasible, recipe for overcoming the crisis around Ukraine, when membership in any military alliance is decisively excluded, and the substantial powers of the central government are transferred to the regions. Taking into account that the history of the USSR could have gone the other way will help us remember how profitable the alignment, which was potential for our side, as well as Ukrainians, was. In addition, he will help us achieve greater clarity (which most of the American debate around Ukraine is extremely lacking) in setting our interests and goals, while we decide what to do next in the struggle with one of Boris Yeltsin’s other important legacies — his carefully selected heir. in the form of the president of Russia.
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  1. mnbv199
    mnbv199 April 30 2014 14: 29
    +3


    Igor Berkut. Interview 24.04.2014/1/XNUMX. Part XNUMX: Ukraine, Novorossia and Crimea
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 April 30 2014 14: 55
      +8
      They want from Ukraine to make the Army against Russia and stick it in NATO, that's why they are cutting their entire industry, at the same time they want to supply our own shale gas through our pipe, which will be produced all over Ukraine.
      1. Alexstalker
        Alexstalker April 30 2014 17: 14
        0
        There is nothing to do with gas! The Americans have achieved their goal! The USSR collapsed. Divide and rule. Gas can be shut off !!! Fascists are coming
      2. Alexstalker
        Alexstalker April 30 2014 17: 14
        0
        There is nothing to do with gas! The Americans have achieved their goal! The USSR collapsed. Divide and rule. Gas can be shut off !!! Fascists are coming
      3. Ross
        Ross April 30 2014 17: 21
        +21
        What can I say.

        1. sabakina
          sabakina April 30 2014 21: 23
          +4
          I can just add to what is said ..
      4. mirag2
        mirag2 April 30 2014 17: 24
        0
        In Ukraine, for our missiles, the engines did-this time-the United States does not like it.
        And having driven her into bondage to the IMF-EU for the debts, she will take the pipe from her, and they will shut off our gas to us, we will supply gas there as much as we are allowed.
      5. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 30 2014 17: 27
        +2
        Quote: ZU-23
        at the same time, they want to supply our shale gas through our pipe, which will be produced throughout Ukraine.
        Our pipe only reaches the border, and then the gas pipeline system of NAFTAGAZ. We asked the Ukrainian authorities to launch us to the transport system in payment of the debt, but they did not let us in. Therefore, this pipe is not ours, which is what Ukrainians use, making independent sampling of gas for their needs. Europe is in a complaint, but we can do nothing but litigation.
        With shale gas is not so simple. The technology is expensive, even the Americans were blown away, and the more Ukrainians will not be pulled.
      6. Demon0n
        Demon0n April 30 2014 18: 52
        +2
        "Listen" and try to take it calmly and judiciously ...
        What you write about is a bonus of exclusively territorial origin (it will be needed a little later for pressure and control of us). At the moment, the goal is Europe (markets, economics, etc.), or rather, the modern version of the colonization of Europe (economic colonization).
        Remark. Businessmen, politicians, etc. - also people. Target audience to form an opinion.
        The goal of all the fuss of the states is to create a super-empire by absorbing the most powerful economies at this stage (perhaps Japan, Canada will also enter here, if there is still something not under control there), while maintaining relative resource security (in the future, this issue will be resolved when opposition to a promising "union" will be unthinkable). The total power (economic, military, technological) of the project super-empire (in conjunction with the resource base) will allow not only to dictate one's will to everyone else, but also to destroy the economies of other countries (exclusively by economic methods) without hindrance.
        Ukraine, in this context, is just a tool ... a hammer for hammering in nails.
        We cannot afford to allow the creation of such a super-empire. This will almost certainly be a strategic epilogue for us. At least the strategic picture will deteriorate by orders of magnitude ... it is not brilliant anyway. In this case, even a hypothetical union of us, China, India, Latin America (if it does not enter the super-empire as a resource colony), the Arab world (which generally gnaws at itself and fiercely hates everyone) will have practically no value (too minuscule total strength compared to the design super-empire). This "union" (in fact, it is not a union, but a gathering) is practically illusive: there are too many contradictions and incompatible social concepts (national egoism, religious fanaticism / egoism, ...) - that is, under no circumstances we will be able to trust partners, but they will not be able to trust us (a ban on technological assistance in many directions and many other aspects that are not pleasant for a full-fledged union).
        See how we are being pushed towards a forceful solution to the crisis ... Think about who and for what purpose. The current political and economic situation in the world can point to the goal (i.e., problems and tendencies of the origin of problems, and therefore, exit routes ...).
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    3. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx April 30 2014 15: 21
      +2
      Quote: mnbv199
      Igor Berkut. Interview 24.04.2014/1/XNUMX. Part XNUMX: Ukraine, Novorossia and Crimea

      Fu Fu Fu! Found someone to listen to! This tovar is still that conjuncturist. The sense from him is like from a goat’s milk, but ... to put it - don’t turn over the bags. He can only stir up water. Where the wind blows, there he tells his fables ...
      An extremely unfortunate example from you. No.
      1. WKS
        WKS April 30 2014 15: 52
        +3
        The article is delusional. Neither the mind nor the heart. Minus.
        1. tolian
          tolian April 30 2014 16: 10
          +1
          Its author will not be able to retell his article already. Why write? I do not understand.
  2. gandalf
    gandalf April 30 2014 14: 30
    +17
    Typo by Freud. Americans have massive indigestion from Ukraine ... laughing
    1. Baikal
      Baikal April 30 2014 14: 33
      +5
      But Brzezinski’s gases were not enough for us.
      1. Canep
        Canep April 30 2014 14: 41
        +5
        An old fart is not needed.
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 April 30 2014 14: 46
          +1
          An old fart is not needed.
          And someone may need it ...
      2. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx April 30 2014 15: 28
        +2
        Quote: Baikal
        But Brzezinski’s gases were not enough for us.

        Come on you! Maybe we don’t need it. But in Europe it is necessary to transport something gas-fuel? Their shale is already on its own, even though the mess and rolls vomits for deliveries. So let them be blown for export led by Brzezinski ... lol
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 30 2014 17: 33
          +4
          Quote: Jogan-64
          So let them be blown for export led by Brzezinski.

          Probably, it will look something like this:
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx April 30 2014 19: 38
            +1
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Probably, it will look something like this:

            Ага. good With the sign "gas from the WC of the State Department." laughing
  3. Baikal
    Baikal April 30 2014 14: 31
    +3
    Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine?

    Apparently here the matter is more likely in the orientation of both the type-government of Nezalezhnaya and their mattress curators.
    Hmm. And as the head teacher - "mattress curator" ... A smart name for another, forgive the gentlemen, community.
    1. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 April 30 2014 17: 34
      +1
      Quote: Baikal
      Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine?

      Apparently here the matter is more likely in the orientation of both the type-government of Nezalezhnaya and their mattress curators.
      Hmm. And as the head teacher - "mattress curator" ... A smart name for another, forgive the gentlemen, community.

      "Mattress curator" just right to take care of the safety of his own woman. It seems that there are people who want to use it on the "mattress" (Islamic radicals, China ...) and this genetically modified, pampered in an overseas hole, snickering crap starts to burn! , conspiratorial sentiments in the army, the brewing interracial conflict, unemployment and, most importantly: the quite felt approach of the dollar collapse!)
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 April 30 2014 18: 09
        +3
        As for the options under consideration for the collapse of the USSR - a state that they did not recognize, "denounced" the regime, declared the illegality of the acts of title, etc. ... But the debts of Tsarist Russia were recognized and demanded. So: to shut up their mouths to all the fortune-tellers, "analysts", and other rascals feeding on the bodies of the dead must! Russia will resurrect within the borders in which it was, successfully developed at an unprecedented rapid pace and, according to the forecasts of the "wise men of Zion", became the ONLY superpower by the middle of the 600th century (with a population of 000 people), if it had not been for the success of the October organized by the Anglo-Saxo-Semites, Zhidomason coup!
        1. Baikal
          Baikal April 30 2014 19: 12
          0
          +
          It’s hard to say how it would be. History, as you know, has no subjunctive mood ...
          But those problems that you described - yes, they bury the USA deep underground. The only question is time. And there are so many who want to spit in the grave ...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 30 2014 17: 49
      +3
      Quote: Baikal
      Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine?
      Apparently here the matter is more likely in the orientation of both the type-government of Nezalezhnaya and their mattress curators.

      The goals of the amers do not change: the destruction of Russia. as the only power capable of destroying the USA. In this they see danger for themselves, and fight it, in stages, but steadily. And Ukraine in these plans is only the next link, but it is extremely important, about which the German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck eloquently spoke at one time. (And he knew what he was talking about!)
      [i] "The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear away, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, play off the two parts of a single people and watch how the brother will kill his brother. elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to such an extent that he will hate everything Russian, hate his own kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. "[/ i] (Otto von Bismarck)
      1. Demon0n
        Demon0n April 30 2014 19: 21
        0
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: Baikal
        Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine?
        Apparently here the matter is more likely in the orientation of both the type-government of Nezalezhnaya and their mattress curators.

        The goals of the amers do not change: the destruction of Russia. as the only power capable of destroying the USA. In this they see danger for themselves, and fight it, in stages, but steadily. And Ukraine in these plans is only the next link, but it is extremely important, about which the German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck eloquently spoke at one time. (And he knew what he was talking about!)
        [i] "The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear away, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, play off the two parts of a single people and watch how the brother will kill his brother. elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to such an extent that he will hate everything Russian, hate his own kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. "[/ i] (Otto von Bismarck)


        The goals of the states are much more "interesting". Ukraine is not very important in and of itself in the context of these goals (rather a convenient tool, and far from the only one). Russia, too, is not an immediate goal, rather an indirect one (interfering, standing in the way, but now the states are following the path ... bypassing the need to remove the obstacle at this stage). ... - the goal has not changed since the time of Tsar Pea - absolute power. This requires the economic colonization of the world's leading economies (with the subsequent provision of a stable resource base). Along the way, a solution was found to the potential threat of an alliance between Russia and China (potential ... so far, such a full-fledged alliance is impossible).
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  4. mig31
    mig31 April 30 2014 14: 35
    +4
    Relaxation is a sign of old age, America has grown old, ...
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 April 30 2014 14: 52
      +4
      Relaxation is a sign of old age, America has grown old, ...
      On April 17, during the “direct line” of the Russian president, six-year-old Albina asked Putin what he thinks Obama would save him if he began to sink. The President of Russia replied that he was confident in Obama’s decency and courage, so he had no doubt that he would have helped. The Russian leader also noted that in this situation it is necessary to distinguish between interstate and personal relations. On April 25, Barack Obama said at a press conference in South Korea that he would save Putin if he began to sink. “I'm a good swimmer and raised in Hawaii, I had a lot of practice,” Obama replied.
      More than half of Americans (51 percent) believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin would not save the sinking head of the White House, Barack Obama. Only 25 percent of US residents think differently. This is evidenced by data from a survey conducted by YouGov, reports The Huffington Post. At the same time, about 53 percent of the polled US citizens are sure that the words of the head of the United States are true that he would help drowning Putin. 29 percent doubt it.
      Sociologists also asked respondents the question of who would they prefer as their own rescuer - Putin or Obama. 48 percent of respondents reacted to the choice with patriotism and indicated their president. 20 percent preferred Putin. The rest answered that both leaders were satisfied with this role.
      The interviewee was asked a question: would they save the drowning presidents of the United States and Russia. So, 71 percent of respondents would have saved the president of America, 57 percent - the president of Russia.

      Interesting: Americans have nothing to talk about anymore? No problem? Probably, having eaten up to the point of insanity, hot dogs with suck-salt brains in the other direction refuse to work .... am
      1. Cthulhu
        Cthulhu April 30 2014 16: 35
        +2
        Unfortunately, this is not a sign of old age, it is a sign of stupidity and childhood. If we took the child's question to the president with a kind smile (childlike spontaneity) and paid attention to the master class of diplomacy on avoiding the president's answer. That first person, in fact - the state of the world hegemon, took everything literally. Little of. Perhaps, envious of V.V. Putin, Obamka seems to be somewhere in the shower and admires him. Therefore, unconsciously, he looks into his mouth and stupidly copies. And it is not surprising that the statements from the swarthy uncle (moreover, initiated by him) about Hawaii and about rescue measures on the water, a week after the question was asked to our president from a child, say only one thing. This "uncle" still wears short children's pants with a big button on his tummy and is very touchy in a childish way. For him, childhood excuses: "he is like that" seems to be his life credo. And all would be nothing. You can gloat or laugh at the next stupidity. But for some reason I am sad. Yes, exactly sad. If we take into account the uncomplicated addition of the first person + childhood + stupidity + a world hegemon country, a gendarme with an exorbitant military budget, etc., the picture I will tell you is not very pleasant. All this may end very badly for the planet earth.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 30 2014 18: 01
        +2
        The interviewee was asked a question: would they save the drowning presidents of the United States and Russia. So, 71 percent of respondents would have saved the president of America, 57 percent - the president of Russia.
        "This cannot be! This can never be !!!" (from) "Vague doubts torment me ..." (c)
        Wow ... 71% + 57% = 128% (!!!) ?????????
    2. Kizhich
      Kizhich April 30 2014 15: 04
      +16
      Quote: mig31
      Relaxation is a sign of old age, America has grown old, ...
      1. abdrah
        abdrah April 30 2014 15: 37
        +20
        Well, when are you going to eat Obamo ...
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru April 30 2014 16: 25
          +2
          Quote: abdrah
          Well, when are you going to eat Obamo ...

          Looks good!
          1. The point
            The point April 30 2014 17: 42
            +3
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            Quote: abdrahWell, when are you Obamo eat ... It looks beautiful!

            that’s a bottomless breakthrough! laughing
  5. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 30 2014 14: 36
    +7
    "Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine?"

    If only Ukraine ..., we hope that Russia will make its adjustments, the political Maps of the World will soon be much corrected.
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 30 2014 15: 25
      +3
      Quote: Gagarin
      Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine? "

      If only Ukraine.


      But it seems to me that the question is too long. need so:
      Why is the US so obsessed? "
      1. tolian
        tolian April 30 2014 16: 14
        +2
        Have not been beaten for a long time
  6. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 30 2014 14: 36
    +5
    What happened, we already know. That mattresses instead of Ukraine need to show a big cookie, all this is taken for granted. What the junta is in the dock is that all normal people vote for it with both hands.
  7. Sochi
    Sochi April 30 2014 14: 37
    +8
    This is a part of the RUSSIAN world that they dream of destroying ... and they have seized like a tick. Just something tells me - what the hell they come out with. It’s better to buy GZM of the latest modification, it’s cheaper and less harmful.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx April 30 2014 15: 31
      +3
      Quote: Sochi
      It’s better to buy GZM

      I offer a promising model. good
  8. Arh
    Arh April 30 2014 14: 38
    +3
    And so it is clear! Some Ukrainians are weak in some places! Here for these places and mattresses grab !!!))) wassat bully
  9. mamont5
    mamont5 April 30 2014 14: 41
    +3
    "Why is the US so obsessed with Ukraine?"

    Question to psychiatrists. Well ... or to the exorcists (or whoever there are, specialists in the expulsion of dark entities).
  10. Baikal
    Baikal April 30 2014 14: 43
    +10
    ... while we decide what to do next in the fight against one of the other important legacies of Boris Yeltsin - with his carefully selected heir in the form of the President of Russia.

    The Borka is too small for you, by PAUL PILLAR.
    Govnetsom carries the last paragraph.
  11. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer April 30 2014 14: 43
    +7
    Analysts from the United States do not keep pace with the development of events. Yes, and approach Ukraine with standards for Egypt, Iran and Afghanistan. To misunderstand the difference in mentality and not to take into account Russia's interests in this matter is blatant lack of professionalism.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx April 30 2014 15: 37
      +4
      Quote: Reserve officer
      To misunderstand the difference in mentality and not to take into account Russia's interests in this matter is blatant lack of professionalism.

      Hm. If only they had once understood our mentality ... That mattresses, that geyropa always measured us by their standards. For which they then raked from us. Already by our standards ... laughing
  12. sledge
    sledge April 30 2014 14: 51
    +1
    It is worth reading http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/1445420
  13. Signaller
    Signaller April 30 2014 14: 56
    +5
    Well, today on our website or the "Free Press" they wrote-the US wants one. For Geyropa to join her, completely. With all fibers. With all my energy wishes. You can refer you to the Free Press. There is an opus by one US academician about these demarches. They want to bend Europe through Ukraine. Then she or related countries will pay for the US national debt. You know, the US national debt is out of bounds. Anything is fine. One of the options for writing off this debt through Geyropa. She pays - Americans drink whiskey and eat anchovies. Well, something like this.
  14. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 30 2014 14: 59
    +5
    Some kind of muddy article. Moreover, the author is confused in the definitions.
    1. Baikal
      Baikal April 30 2014 15: 24
      +2
      +
      Taking into account the fact that the history of the USSR could have taken a different path will help us recall how beneficial the alignment was potential for our side, as well as for Ukrainians.

      Did the author himself understand what he wrote? ..
  15. Kibl
    Kibl April 30 2014 15: 00
    +8
    Not much out of topic, but in essence "Latvian general knows when nuclear war will begin

    Rus. Apollo, [email protected] Tuesday, April 29, 2014 16:54 p.m. 202 comments
    Another NATO senior representative Mark Schisler arrived in Latvia, who was directly asked when the third world war would begin. Instead of a NATO member, the commander of the Latvian National Armed Forces, Raymond Graube, answered this question, TV5 News Service reports.
    The Ministry of Defense on Monday met the deputy chairman of the NATO Military Committee, Mark Schisler.

    At the press conference, Mark Schisler once again assured everyone that there is no need to worry about the events in Ukraine. Latvia is under the reliable protection of the North Atlantic Alliance, and there is nothing to worry about. At the same time, NATO does not intend to open permanent bases in our country. "We are not planning to open a permanent base here yet. What we are doing now and will continue to do is training the local armed forces," Schisler explained.
    The Commander of the National Armed Forces thanked NATO for its prompt assistance. "The air patrol force has tripled. We also have a squadron of NATO mine-sweepers and are ready to join our exercises. Also 150 American soldiers in Adazi. This is the answer to the whole world and to those skeptics who talk about the possibility of non-compliance with the fifth paragraph. NATO's response was quick and the soldiers are already here. I want to say thank you for that, "said Raymond Graube.

    Also, journalists asked the lieutenant general when the third world war will begin. He expressed the hope that never. Our commander-in-chief was more specific about a nuclear war: "It will start when someone attacks NATO."
    Here we have such a general debiloid in Latvia! fool
  16. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux April 30 2014 15: 00
    +4
    What we now see and hear from the media about Dill, A. Hitchcock would not have seen in his "nightmares"! I especially like the Kiev scuffle on the Maidan, you look and grim each other even without our help! bully
    1. tolian
      tolian April 30 2014 16: 20
      +2
      And who would doubt it. Soon, soon they will begin to cuddle each other with screams ....... like we are heroes, you shit.
  17. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol April 30 2014 15: 05
    +5
    The USA is not obsessed with Ukraine, it is not obsessed with any countries at all. They are obsessed only with Money. This is the only thing that interested them and interests them.
    Yugoslavia is plundered, ravaged and torn.
    Iraq, looted and busted.
    Afghanistan turned into a drug plantation nationwide. The mess has become many times larger than before the US came there with a "peace mission". But loot flows in full rivers for drug traffic.
    Libya is looted and ravaged.
    Ukraine is already robbed (Gold of the Scythians, hundreds of exhibits of the National Museum in Kiev), and is moving towards ruin.
    So there is no obsession. Everything is pragmatic! He came, looted and dumped!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 30 2014 18: 20
      +3
      Quote: Oleg Sobol
      So there is no obsession. Everything is pragmatic! He came, looted and dumped!

      You are right: the dollar is at the head of everything! The country has long turned from a gendarme into a robber. And some kind of moral values ​​are promulgated around the world.
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  18. Victor-M
    Victor-M April 30 2014 15: 08
    +6
    NATO reaction was quick and soldiers are already here
    NATO’s backlash will be even faster if they are covered with an adequate, symmetrical response, different from the previous ones, as in the countries of the Middle East. As they say before the first coffins of their side.
  19. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 30 2014 15: 10
    +2
    I did not read from the second half. Everything is already clear, if only, if only. Gorabachev did everything possible to alienate the supporters of preserving the Union from the real power in the government of the USSR. The Central Asians and Transcaucasians, primarily Nazarbayev, were thrown. They, just appointed for reign in their estates by Moscow, were left face to face with their national problems. Nazarabaev, Turkmenbashi survived, the rest got a bunch of problems, from color revolutions and coups to civil wars. And these guys: Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich, were also obsessed with power in their subordinate territories. Unfortunately, they received it. But the attempt of the GKChP failed, because according to the old party habit, there was no one who could take all responsibility for the fullness of power. Those. - a leader, not even that popular among the people, most importantly - strong-willed.
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta April 30 2014 15: 22
      +2
      I read and think that something is written somehow not in Russian, confused .. Maybe I think the translation .. And for sure:Posted by PAUL PILLAR.
      And here in Russian it is clear:
  20. Turkir
    Turkir April 30 2014 15: 12
    +5
    Latvians forgot that on the map of Europe they are a miserable pimple.
    Purulent pimple.
  21. Fedor Bolts
    Fedor Bolts April 30 2014 15: 26
    +12
    We have something from the heart, then from the pants.
  22. Demon0n
    Demon0n April 30 2014 15: 27
    +2
    It’s not entirely in Ukraine ... This is a favorable excuse and an instrument that promises, among other things, some geostrategic prospects (for the future, mainly: an additional means of pressure and deterrence). In the present, a tool for breaking economic ties.
    The fact is that the United States needs a new leap forward. In a jerk that will unequivocally and for centuries put all the points above the "i". The question is absolute and unconditional domination. The next step on the road to "super-empire" - the absolute and indisputable hegemon, which will be unthinkable to resist. This requires Europe (at this stage). More precisely, its economic and mental power (markets, business, etc.). That is, the economic colonization of Europe is underway (as history has funny twisted ... the former colony is colonizing its former metropolis). To do this, it is necessary to weaken European business (to simplify the takeover and minimize costs) and isolate it from promising markets (leaving no other choice but takeover). Along the way, it will hurt Russia too (i.e. weakening of a potential, but still very weak competitor). The next stage (the current one is the absorption of strong economies while maintaining resource security), I believe, will be the provision of a resource base (the current situation is not entirely optimal).
    The result should be a monster with the most advanced and powerful army, many times superior to the potential of the rest (united) economy and provided with all the necessary resources for centuries (do not forget about the potential prospects of the alliance of China and Russia: this is a challenge and this problem must be solved now). Thus, all these ridiculous (at first glance) US movements have a goal, logic and means.
  23. novel68rus
    novel68rus April 30 2014 15: 29
    +6
    I dream to see how the West will live like we are in the 90s .. that would be fair ..
    1. Demon0n
      Demon0n April 30 2014 17: 14
      +1
      Quote: novel68rus
      I dream to see how the West will live like we are in the 90s .. that would be fair ..

      Perhaps true. However, this scenario would mean our strategic defeat (ours, China's, etc.). A global super empire (capable of managing and dictating its will to everyone and everything, regardless of anything) without any brakes, based on blatant / "super-absolute" state (not national) and personal egoism (look at the trend of social and socio-political development in the USA) - not the best option for the entire planet (and this is very putting it mildly ... it is still unknown whether this is worse than national egoism).
      There is no way to admit such an alliance (the chance is already ... ghostly to say the least, and here the population is eager for the entry of our troops ...). Perhaps now the Kremlin’s actions will become clear (Ukraine is a trap, with far-reaching consequences, and it will directly impact the internal political and economic situation in Europe, and not in Ukraine).
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 30 2014 18: 27
        +2
        Quote: Demon0n
        (look at the trend of social and socio-political development in the USA) - not the best option for the whole planet

        This visually looks something like this:
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  24. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 30 2014 15: 33
    +7
    News:
    ALCHEVSK, LUGAN REGION - EXECUTIVE BUILDING ALREADY WITH THE FLAG OF THE LUGAN REPUBLIC!
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 30 2014 15: 33
    +3
    Send Vabank, Ukraine the last real option with the creation of an external enemy for Russia, then only the struggle within the country. Here it’s China’s turn, but it’s not possible to fight on all fronts, so they are in a hurry.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 30 2014 18: 32
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Here it’s China’s turn, but it’s not possible to fight on all fronts, so they are in a hurry.

      Two - China and Russia - cannot be mastered by the Yankees. They can only accelerate our response. The box said that Russia is switching to selling oil for rubles. That’s all for a short time. Judging by the reaction of the PRC, they too will soon abandon the dollar in payments for their goods.
      You can’t do anything: Newton’s third law - HOW IT WILL APPLY, SO WILL RESPOND!
  26. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 30 2014 15: 47
    +4
    Soon the Americans will choke on their sanctions !!!
  27. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 30 2014 15: 52
    +5
    It’s time to impose sanctions on the EU and the USA.
  28. nelav1951
    nelav1951 April 30 2014 15: 55
    +3
    But NATO is a large purulent abscess on the body of the planet Earth. If pierced, it will bawl.
  29. stas11830
    stas11830 April 30 2014 16: 00
    +2
    And what are these sanctions to us? As the Russian fable says: "And Vaska listens, but eats!"
  30. 3vs
    3vs April 30 2014 16: 00
    +2
    By the way, egg-laying is similar to Obama as two brothers, only they differ slightly in color.
    Suggests thoughts ... smile
  31. Palych9999
    Palych9999 April 30 2014 16: 03
    +3
    Baaalsh Specialist for Russi
    Once again you are convinced that they do not know us and do not understand
    And they will NEVER understand.
  32. alikalik
    alikalik April 30 2014 16: 06
    +3
    Soon Russia, China, India and Iran will take the same Europe by the throat. Then everything will be remembered. And the sanctions with the intervention and all the dirt that "civilized" people poured on these countries.
  33. individual
    individual April 30 2014 16: 12
    +1
    It’s too early to analyze the causes of the collapse of the USSR.
    A time must pass when we pass away as witnesses of our criminal inaction to prevent the collapse of our common homeland
    UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS!
    Each of us personally bears our part of the responsibility for the loss of our homeland.
  34. Zeus
    Zeus April 30 2014 16: 28
    +3
    With Ukraine (as a CU UES), Russia will become stronger and will develop faster. The main goal of drilling in Ukraine is to prevent the strengthening of a competitor with its formation into an alternative center of power.
  35. pensioner
    pensioner April 30 2014 16: 43
    +3
    To be honest, I didn’t get into the author’s logic ...
    Well ... with him! Holiday greetings! drinks
    1. Naval
      Naval April 30 2014 17: 03
      +1
      You too with the upcoming. drinks And let all the enemies choke laughing
    2. SHILO
      SHILO April 30 2014 20: 15
      0
      Good evening Jura.
      And you with the upcoming.
      I again have a wounded animal in the refrigerator and for your health I will tap on the screen.
      Sincerely.
  36. Lukich
    Lukich April 30 2014 17: 06
    +7
    something partners become impudent steel. but the allies cheer and not only. Is it time to make partners with the big allies together? although of course the GDP is more visible.
  37. strong man
    strong man April 30 2014 17: 29
    +1
    In the photo there are three political prostitutes in anticipation of when this kerry will let us suck his "chupa chups"!
  38. Alexstalker
    Alexstalker April 30 2014 17: 37
    0
    Quote: ZU-23
    They want from Ukraine to make the Army against Russia and stick it in NATO, that's why they are cutting their entire industry, at the same time they want to supply our own shale gas through our pipe, which will be produced all over Ukraine.


    this is nonsense about gas! both downloaded and will download
  39. Alexstalker
    Alexstalker April 30 2014 17: 44
    +1
    Quote: Tra-ta-ta
    I read and think that something is written somehow not in Russian, confused .. Maybe I think the translation .. And for sure:Posted by PAUL PILLAR.
    And here in Russian it is clear:

    These are the usual CIA consultants at Gorby.
  40. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik April 30 2014 17: 44
    0
    It is clear that this is a legionnaire. Why submit a deliberately inappropriate article? A cheap bazaar for an inadequate person who absolutely does not know our history, our people, or our ideology. Probably, this is a connoisseur of Russia ?! If everything is so, it remains only to sympathize with the West, which has SUCH foolish "specialists"!
  41. Alexstalker
    Alexstalker April 30 2014 18: 23
    0
    Quote: Oprychnik
    If everything is so, it remains only to sympathize with the West, which has SUCH foolish "specialists"!

    It’s not purposefully ... the collapse of the USSR
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  43. sv68
    sv68 April 30 2014 18: 32
    0
    the article as such a transfusion from empty to empty, a certain text is, but there is no sense.
  44. Vorkutinets
    Vorkutinets April 30 2014 18: 43
    0
    Quote: Oleg Sobol
    The USA is not obsessed with Ukraine, they are not obsessed with any countries at all.

    For a long time it was already in the USSR. One very intelligent and competent history teacher, a high school student, said: America will always take any steps to capture seismically stable territories (including ours) and, if possible, populate them with its own people. And what after this the children will think for themselves. And he always set the task ... how many hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes and all kinds of cataclysms pass in America per year ????? drinks Happy holidays to all of you Russians !!!
  45. Alexstalker
    Alexstalker April 30 2014 19: 00
    0
    Quote: AlexStalker
    These are the usual CIA consultants at Gorby.

    exactly the CIA. ok, c.p. with ... they figure it out ... just don’t touch us for the time being
  46. shaman-25rus
    shaman-25rus April 30 2014 21: 03
    0
    link to my opus. I ask you not to delete)))
    http://www.stihi.ru/2014/04/30/8655
  47. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho April 30 2014 23: 21
    -1
    Eh, Vitaly, you have such a position for the right from the U-turn ... And to the bridge of the nose, so as not to disturb resuscitation. The suit is decent, after landing, the body itself will be wrapped in a mattress. Only slippers will be changed to a different color.
    And then, you see, you will be forgiven.
  48. sanek0207
    sanek0207 1 May 2014 06: 46
    0
    America has taken on a lot, but the neck is already too old and rotten, there is an option that it will break!