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May 1945 victory for Kiev ceases to be a victory?

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29 April in Moscow will be the first rehearsal of the Victory Parade this year on Red Square. During the rehearsal will involve not only military personnel, but also columns of military equipment. Reports about it "1 Channel".


In the rehearsal of the main parade dedicated to the 69 anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, about 11 thousands of soldiers of various types and types of troops, students of Suvorov schools and cadet corps will take part. About 150 units of military equipment will pass through Red Square.

Starting from 21: 00 in Moscow, all residents of the capital and its guests will be able to observe how preparations are made for the celebration. Two more such opportunities for those who want to see a bright spectacle immediately before its official presentation will be presented to 5 and May 7. May 7 will host the final rehearsal for the Victory Parade.

In connection with the latest events in Ukraine, attention is riveted on the version in which the Victory Parade will be held in Kiev. Interfax reports that the self-proclaimed Kiev authorities decided to abandon even such a concept as the Victory Parade, and instead use the term “militaryhistorical procession. "

May 1945 victory for Kiev ceases to be a victory?


Press Service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:

From 11: 30 to 12 hours of May 9 on the territory of the Memorial Complex "National Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945 years" a military-historical procession will take place with the participation of veterans, cadets, a company of drummers, as well as historical military equipment.


In the light of the Maidan events (ripping off the St. George ribbons from people, demolishing monuments to Soviet soldiers, worshiping Nazi criminals), Kiev would have to clarify exactly which veterans will take part in the organized march.
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  1. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 29 2014 15: 27
    +16
    It seems that they are specifically setting up a population against themselves.
    1. zanoza
      zanoza April 29 2014 15: 40
      +16
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      the population is set against itself.

      The majority of the population of Ukraine is nevertheless or "for" the junta, or neither "bae" nor "meh".
      This must be taken for granted.

      And the junta, it will * be * fucked up, if only in Russia.
      They can’t decide to openly sabotage Victory Day, there will be unauthorized rallies, marches on either side, there will be dissatisfaction, there will be clashes.
      So they release it all on the brakes: neither yours nor ours.
      1. smel
        smel April 29 2014 15: 53
        +7
        So they release it all on the brakes: neither yours nor ours.

        No ... I personally perceive the period from 9 to 11 of May - as a moment of truth. All the same, Ukrainian politicians will have to draw in various events. Here you are determined by many voters with the candidacy of the president. Here, the southeast will receive a powerful pendell for the referendum. With the elections is still a moot point. But with the southeast and its definition - just in time. Brainless American lackeys could not even determine the date of the elections in a less conflict period.
      2. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov April 29 2014 16: 02
        +3
        zanoza Today, 15:40 ↑ New
        Quote: Ivan Tarasov
        the population is set against itself.
        The majority of the Ukrainian population is nevertheless either "for" the junta, or neither "be", nor "me".
        This must be taken for granted.

        This cannot be.
        The war affected almost every family in Ukraine.
        Most of the population is simply intimidated by the junta, and they are silent.
        It is not worth the majority of the population under the sympathizing fascists row.
        Take for granted, only the lack of clear coordination of resistance is possible.
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx April 29 2014 16: 28
          +5
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          This cannot be.

          Unfortunately, it can. hi Especially in the central regions. There, firstly, the brainwashed to sterile cleanliness, secondly, the password and feedback - "my house is on the edge", and thirdly, the excuse - "what will I do". So they sit at the TV boxes, wait. The exception is Donbass, where the overwhelming majority of the people are not just for the referendum, but for the Crimean scenario.
        2. zanoza
          zanoza April 29 2014 16: 30
          +3
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          The war affected almost every family in Ukraine.

          But why are these people so indifferent to the incipient fascism in Ukraine?
          Why silently watch the marches of Natsik and Banderlog?

          Indifference is ruining the world!
          Indifferent leads to murder!
          Anger is dangerous - your eyes will be overshadowed,
          Indifferent will pass without looking back.
          Indifferent child will not pick up
          And the piece will not give up hungry.
          Indifferent ruining the world!
          And contribute to discord.
        3. IRBIS
          IRBIS April 29 2014 16: 52
          +3
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          This cannot be.

          It should not be, but it has a place to be. Unfortunately...
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          Most of the population is simply intimidated by the junta, and they are silent.

          So in Germany 30's: in the beginning they were afraid and silent, and then they got used to it and started to throw up their hands with shouts.
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          Take for granted, only the lack of clear coordination of resistance is possible.

          How can one coordinate that which is inert?
      3. Ivan Tucha
        Ivan Tucha April 29 2014 16: 16
        +4
        mostly - neither "bae" nor "me"
      4. vladstro
        vladstro April 29 2014 18: 39
        0
        In a word, the junta is completely confused.
      5. Thompson
        Thompson April 29 2014 20: 30
        0
        Not only. They already understood their shoals for a long time, but letting them be afraid back is simple right-homo-natsoiseki quickly hit their heads! Shorter in full! Because quietly continue to crush ordinary people, (playing along with) knowing that these suffer all!
        In short, KHANA from all sides, just like Yanuk didn’t sit on two chairs, so they can’t get along in one choir!
    2. Validator
      Validator April 29 2014 15: 40
      +7
      There was a Great Victory, and there will be a Victory over the junta, and after it both of these Victories will be celebrated as holidays. That would be in one day
      1. COLUN
        COLUN April 29 2014 15: 52
        +8
        Quote: Validator
        There was a Great Victory, and there will be a Victory over the junta,


        That victory of 1945, the Germans still remember:
      2. aleks700
        aleks700 April 29 2014 15: 53
        +3
        And it will not be less than a great victory. The enemy is the same. Only with more powerful support than then.
    3. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 29 2014 15: 47
      +7
      It seems that they are specifically setting up a population against themselves.
      the right sector will organize a provocation with the beating of veterans so that Russia leads troops, which the United States is seeking to accuse Russia of aggression.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 29 2014 16: 10
      +3
      By the way, the junta on April 30 (Wednesday) again planned a march in the center of Donetsk, according to some reports, this time the National Guard will cover them, since the police on April 28 did not live up to expectations.

      After yesterday’s dispersal of the ultras and law enforcement officers, 8 people were detained mainly from Western Ukraine.
      1. zzz
        zzz April 29 2014 17: 26
        +2
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        By the way, the junta on April 30 (Wednesday) again planned a march in the center of Donetsk, according to some reports, this time the National Guard will cover them, since the police on April 28 did not live up to expectations.

        After yesterday’s dispersal of the ultras and law enforcement officers, 8 people were detained mainly from Western Ukraine.


        Donbass, dear, hold on. We in Russia are all looking at you now! We are proud of you !!!
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 29 2014 16: 24
      +7
      A couple of minutes ago the regional administration of the Lugansk region was captured, the police partially switched to the side of the Lugansk republic, partially disarmed.
      Kiev did not fulfill the ultimatum and at 14:00 people from the Security Service of Ukraine in Lugansk went to the regional administration in columns. fellow
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx April 29 2014 16: 59
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        A couple of minutes ago the regional administration of Lugansk region was captured

        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx April 29 2014 17: 00
          0
          The second part.
  2. Hs487
    Hs487 April 29 2014 15: 32
    +5
    May 1945 victory for Kiev ceases to be a victory?

    Well, for the junta, she was not a victory.
  3. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE April 29 2014 15: 33
    +7
    Bandera slapsticks. The Red Army freed them from the fascists. What would they do if the Nazis remained in Ukraine. I am sure the Ukrainian nation would not exist for a long time. And now they worship war criminals like Bandera and Shukhevych. Who slaughtered entire villages without sparing children. After they give up on May 9, the East of Ukraine will no longer believe the new, illegitimate and so authorities. The rulers of the "Independent" Ukraine are digging their own grave.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech April 29 2014 15: 33
    +10
    which veterans will take part in the organized procession.


    Perhaps Bandera and law enforcement will have to take their place soldier
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 April 29 2014 15: 37
      +5
      that is why for them May 9th is not Victory Day, but sorrow cryingfeel how it ends
    2. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 29 2014 16: 02
      +5
      I looked at the picture and again Inspired from what I published earlier:
      Hey you Ashton, Obama, quickly in line, smoother step.
      A column of the fallen wandered, looking around at the Reichstag.
      You can see the previous battles, they did not bring you mind.
      Putin will be the third guy to clean his boots.
      laughing wassat
    3. comprochikos
      comprochikos April 29 2014 16: 48
      +3
      Sooner or later, fascism will face the same fate.
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  5. KOSMOS
    KOSMOS April 29 2014 15: 36
    +6
    My heart feels that May 9 will be Victory Day in Kiev, God forbid! The concentration of thugs per square. km over there!
    1. Stavros
      Stavros April 29 2014 16: 01
      +3
      There will be no doubt that there will be provocations.
    2. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta April 29 2014 16: 02
      +2
      .. well yes, like Captain Vrungel’s on a yacht ..
  6. Same lech
    Same lech April 29 2014 15: 36
    +18
    a wonderful picture ..... I would like fascist thugs in UKRAINE to also go along the streets of KIEV.
    1. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka April 29 2014 19: 02
      +1
      ... and up to Magadan ....
  7. delfinN
    delfinN April 29 2014 15: 38
    +19
    We’ll have to spend another march for granddaughters. Forgot all the banderlogs.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS April 29 2014 16: 56
      +2
      Quote: delfinN
      We’ll have to spend another march for granddaughters. Forgot all the banderlogs.

      It was necessary then to finish them all, without discounts. Then there would be no "granddaughters" ...
  8. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 April 29 2014 15: 40
    +23
    We will never be brothers with admirers of the concandede of Bandera, Sluthevich and other scum of the human race, who shot our grandfathers in the back ...

    The answer to the Nazis

    The Nazis will not be brothers to us
    Neither in the Homeland, nor in the mother!
    You have no spirit to be free -
    We will not even become consolidated with you.

    Your horror movies are not scary for us
    We are with the stars, you are with the swastika!
    Maydanut you faceless.
    It is we, not you, who are great.

    From inferiority and dullness
    You have done so many nonsense!
    And you shot at your back
    How to call you? Perhaps pigs?

    Yarosh, Bily and other bastard
    You Europe brain confused.
    On the Maidan they watered potions.
    You burned your "Berkut" with "cocktails"!

    You are with your bastard Bandera,
    Well - with the holy Fatherland and faith!
    You whine without knowing
    You are with war, and we are with victory!

    Tearing from the West you horde
    But our business is right!
    If now with regards to Russians -
    That we never give up.

    Your Rada is egg-headed
    Not the last, and not new.
    Steals everything to the last,
    Leave the poor poor!

    How wrong were you with the right sector
    Ordinary and vector.
    Shed blood - wash yourselves,
    Then you will not hide from reckoning.

    You who raised the country to the knives
    The words of reason not understood!
    Run - help!
    God will not repay without our help!

    You have no spirit to be free -
    We will not even become consolidated with you.
    The Nazis will not be brothers to us
    Neither in the Homeland, nor in the mother!

    Ilya Kulev

    Ust-Kamenogorsk,
    The Republic of Kazakhstan
    1. Russohol
      Russohol April 29 2014 16: 32
      +3
      With both hands for the verses of this guy from Ust - Kamenogorsk !!!!
    2. pensioner
      pensioner April 29 2014 17: 05
      0
      Strong visuals. Recognized by the voice in this choir Vokarchuk. From the bastard! am And also a physicist.
  9. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 29 2014 15: 41
    +11
    And all the relatives of the junta fought on the side of the Nazis, so May 9 was not victory day for her, but the day when she lost and could not exterminate the peoples living in the USSR. For them it is the blackest day. It is necessary to make sure that they have black every day. good drinks
  10. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov April 29 2014 15: 42
    +9
    how distorted the story is, it’s just a nightmare! You have to punish it harshly and mercilessly.
  11. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 29 2014 15: 42
    +5
    In the light of the Maidan events (ripping off the St. George ribbons from people, demolishing monuments to Soviet soldiers, worshiping Nazi criminals), Kiev would have to clarify exactly which veterans will take part in the organized march.

    Yeah, sad ... Well, the Nazis, of course, will lead a round dance around the monument to Bandera ...
  12. Morgan
    Morgan April 29 2014 15: 45
    +6
    Yes, all on the drum - we WIN !!!!! The junts themselves deprived their people of victory. And we remember who they defeated - the Nazis ... Here Kiev does not want to celebrate OUR VICTORY over their teachers ... The junta is our enemy ... My father fought (a year of everything, but I have enough of his memories for life and more will remain). They went to w ...... y, traitors ....
  13. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 29 2014 15: 47
    +11
    And this is how Kiev met the German invaders: "On September 19, 1941, at 13 o'clock in the afternoon, from Podol, on Kirov Street, the advanced German units began to enter the city. A crowd of anti-Soviet people, up to 300 people, met on Kalinin Square incoming German units with flowers and the ringing of bells of the Pechersk Lavra. The "solemn" meeting of the German troops was disrupted by the explosion of the bell tower of the Pechersk Lavra, which killed up to 40 Germans. "
    This is their first cemetery in Kiev.
    It seems that there is still a lot of space for their last.
  14. APS
    APS April 29 2014 15: 50
    +7
    Song "Victory Day" lyrics:
    lyrics by V. Kharitonov, music by D. Tukhmanov

    Victory Day, as he was far from us,
    As in the fire extinct melted ember.
    There were versts, charred, in the dust, -
    This day we brought as best we could.

    Chorus;
    This Victory Day
    Powder smelled.
    This is a holiday
    With gray hair on the temples.
    It's fun
    With tears in his eyes.
    Victory Day!
    Victory Day!
    Victory Day!

    Days and nights at open-hearth furnaces
    Our homeland did not close eyes.
    Day and night, a difficult battle was fought, -
    This day we brought as best we could.

    Chorus.

    Hello mom, we haven’t returned.,
    Barefoot to run through the dew!
    Half of Europe marched, we fell asleep,
    This day we brought as best we could.

    Chorus.
  15. fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 29 2014 15: 50
    +6
    To normalize the situation, German special forces can be sent to Slavyansk, Lifenews writes with reference to Bild.

    According to the German publication, the elite unit of the KSK Bundeswehr has been put on alert and is waiting for orders to storm the occupation of the building by militias in eastern Ukraine.

    One of the Ukrainian officials, without mentioning his name, said that the Ukrainian security forces were not able to resist the militias in the south-east of the country, and made it clear that the military from another country could pacify the protesters.

    According to Bild, currently there are four German citizens in Kiev, and negotiations on their release were unsuccessful. If necessary, KSK will be able to be on Ukrainian territory within two hours.

    KSK is a special-purpose unit whose specifics are reconnaissance, sabotage and anti-sabotage measures, as well as the release and evacuation of hostages. Currently, KSK includes 1100 military personnel.

    Well, well, how warm, we will see.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 15: 58
      +3
      Quote: fzr1000
      To normalize the situation, German special forces may be sent to Slavyansk,

      Already refuted.
      1. I read the news
        I read the news April 29 2014 18: 23
        0
        Already refuted.
        What are they so? In vain, very vain.
    2. strannik595
      strannik595 April 29 2014 16: 02
      +5
      To normalize the situation, German special forces may be sent to Slavyansk,
      Already refuted.
      and it’s a pity, there would be a complete historical reconstruction .... Bandera, SS men and red partisans ........ well, the Red Army puts an end to the end
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor April 29 2014 16: 28
        +1
        The army is now rather white ...
    3. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx April 29 2014 16: 19
      +2
      Quote: fzr1000
      To normalize the situation, German special forces can be sent to Slavyansk, Lifenews writes with reference to Bild.

      Well, well ... Let them take a chance, if so ... For a long time in Russian hands did not stick around? Or have you forgotten the consequences of your Drang nach Osten?
      It looks like another propaganda fake to scare you once again, but what the hell is not kidding ... Then - you are welcome! In Slavyansk, everything is not so unambiguous and everything will not work out so easily if they dare. They buried the Matrasovskaya Delta in Grenada, but we will have more land. Moreover, the moss of their ancestors have already rotted in our land, a place has become vacant ... We will bury these "liberators" too ...
  16. Free Island
    Free Island April 29 2014 15: 51
    +5
    the newly-minted authorities of Kiev (not Ukraine) decided to change the Victory Parade to the Parade of Defeat, in which instead of WWII veterans there will be Bandera-SS old aged wrinkled inglorious UBLUDs in the form of Nazi Germany from the last century 45.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 29 2014 16: 03
      +9
      Quote: Free Island
      the newly-minted authorities of Kiev (not Ukraine) decided to change the Victory Parade to the Parade of Defeat, in which instead of WWII veterans there will be Bandera-SS old aged wrinkled inglorious UBLUDs in the form of Nazi Germany from the last century 45.
      1. alean245
        alean245 April 29 2014 16: 27
        +1
        Sorry for the. Overshot with laughter recourse .
        1. Sochi
          Sochi April 29 2014 16: 35
          +2
          do not worry - corrected.
      2. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 April 29 2014 18: 45
        +1
        Why not. Shoigu rehearsed recently in the border areas.
      3. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 April 29 2014 18: 45
        0
        Why not. Shoigu rehearsed recently in the border areas.
      4. Free Island
        Free Island April 30 2014 02: 19
        0
        still on chains in shackles to hold on the square .. I apologize for the Independence Square the top of the right sector and the Kiev "power"))))) the picture is set .. yesterday I was looking for it, I did not find it))
  17. il2.chewie
    il2.chewie April 29 2014 15: 53
    +8
    You can prohibit the march, but no one can prohibit the victory over the fascist. I hope in Kiev will soon be another day of victory over fascism
  18. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 29 2014 15: 54
    +6
    Quote: il2.chewie
    You can prohibit the march, but no one can prohibit the victory over the fascist. I hope in Kiev will soon be another day of victory over fascism


    Golden words!
  19. Boudallino
    Boudallino April 29 2014 15: 56
    +6
    The Ukrainian government is trying as much as possible to give a damn about the soul of "not their own" Ukrainian people will come a time when they themselves will choke in a return spitting am
  20. mig31
    mig31 April 29 2014 15: 57
    +2
    Take Kiev after almost seventy-one years, why not!?, But Kiev will be ours !!!
  21. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 29 2014 15: 57
    +4
    Victory Day is the holiest holiday for us !!! We remember, we are proud !!!
  22. Turk
    Turk April 29 2014 15: 59
    +9
    Quote: KOSMOS
    My heart feels that May 9 will be Victory Day in Kiev, God forbid! The concentration of thugs per square. km over there!

    I repeat, but still ...
  23. Net
    Net April 29 2014 15: 59
    +5
    Do not want to hold a parade? So we must hold a parade!
  24. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad April 29 2014 15: 59
    +4
    In the light of the latest fashion trends, a battle can happen. Kiev is not the same, unfortunately.
    Quote: Roman1970
    In the light of the Maidan events (ripping off the St. George ribbons from people, demolishing monuments to Soviet soldiers, worshiping Nazi criminals), Kiev would have to clarify exactly which veterans will take part in the organized march.

    Yeah, sad ... Well, the Nazis, of course, will lead a round dance around the monument to Bandera ...

    It would be good if they were dancing separately (they had already survived before that). But today they are no longer embarrassed by anyone or anything. There will be no normal holiday. Kiev is sold!
  25. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 29 2014 15: 59
    +3
    Unfortunately, in any situation, in Ukraine, a lot of BLOOD SPILLS on May 9th celebration.
  26. ssf2257
    ssf2257 April 29 2014 16: 01
    +5
    They canceled May 9. They canceled the story. They are our blinded brothers and they are our neighbors.
    I feel uneasy at the thought that a fascist state is being born nearby, and Russia is indecisive.
    Weed must be destroyed from the root, and not when it grows, not when it begins to strangle.
    Strange. We have Victory Day, and they have a birthday of some kind of fascist division.
    I am against the fascist "onizhedeti" who have approached power.
  27. nika407
    nika407 April 29 2014 16: 01
    +3
    It is impossible to hold the Victory Parade in Kiev, since the Maidan is occupied by maydaunas. Maydaunas are busy with the development of agriculture, which is a kind of response to the concerns of the Russian Federation about the economic condition of Ukraine.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 29 2014 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: nika407
      It is impossible to hold the Victory Parade in Kiev, since the Maidan is occupied by maydaunas. Maydaunas are busy with the development of agriculture, which is a kind of response to the concerns of the Russian Federation about the economic condition of Ukraine.


      I think that soon another "harvest" will be gathered in Kiev.
      1. VengefulRat
        VengefulRat April 29 2014 16: 21
        +3
        Meanwhile, in Lugansk they took the RSA by storm. The flag of Ukraine was lowered - the tricolor was raised.
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx April 29 2014 16: 53
          +1
          Quote: VengefulRat
          Meanwhile, in Lugansk they took the RSA by storm. The flag of Ukraine was lowered - the tricolor was raised.

          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx April 29 2014 16: 55
            +1
            And another supplement.
    2. shiplover100
      shiplover100 April 29 2014 16: 50
      +1
      Pity THAT THE BRAINS ARE NOT "VZIISHLY" ...
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  28. zzz
    zzz April 29 2014 16: 01
    +6
    Shame Eternal to the current people of Kiev! They trampled our VICTORY into the mud! With their help, the junta is pouring Russian blood. As the East can’t live with the West, I have such feelings for the people of Kiev. I don’t want to be released .... let them eat Maydanov’s stew, and they experience all the humiliation experienced by our veterans with St. George ribbons. And I would not want Kiev to become the capital again for Donbass! Because, as now, this word has become a household word for many people. It has no right to be the capital. IMHO.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx April 29 2014 16: 40
      +2
      Quote: zzz
      Shame Eternal to the current people of Kiev!

      You're right! Regrettably, present-day Kiev, with rare exceptions, has degraded so much that it did not become the mother of Russian cities, but turned into a prize for the Bandera Nazis and any high-minded scum who had forgotten their roots and conscience to please their womb ...
  29. delfinN
    delfinN April 29 2014 16: 02
    +4
    Quote: alex47russ
    Victory Day is the holiest holiday for us !!! We remember, we are proud !!!
  30. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 29 2014 16: 02
    +2
    They are just sure that the victory of May 1945 will be a disaster for them in May 2014! soldier hi bully Have you ordered scuffle? Nooo! Sorry, paid!
  31. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 29 2014 16: 07
    +2
    Is it possible that the Nazis celebrate the day of their defeat !!!!
    1. the villain
      the villain April 29 2014 22: 57
      -1
      They will be helped !!! soldier
  32. ava09
    ava09 April 29 2014 16: 08
    +2
    In Ukraine, as before Hitler’s aggression against the USSR, the same sponsors of fascism, such as Jews, Anglo-Saxons and their European colleagues, are seen. And everywhere the donkey ears of the USA stick out.
  33. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad April 29 2014 16: 17
    +4
    Quote: zzz
    Shame Eternal to the current people of Kiev!

    I agree. How unfortunate it is.
  34. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 29 2014 16: 19
    +5
    Quote: x.andvlad
    There will be no normal holiday. Kiev is sold!

    I sent a message to my friend, a classmate from Kiev, through "classmates" more than a month ago, did not communicate with him since the beginning of the 90s, asked what was happening there. I received an answer, here is an excerpt from the answer: [b]] "Everything that you show on TV is propaganda. Not everything is so bad, but not good either. Everything that has not changed before. Politicians are fighting for the money. Ukraine is a peace-loving country, and Putin sick dude who voted for him again. He has delusions of grandeur. "[/ b In general, I wanted to hear from him a little different, but what we have is what we have.
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    2. VengefulRat
      VengefulRat April 29 2014 16: 26
      +3
      Still would. They are brainwashed 24 / 7. Real zombies.
    3. Neighbor
      Neighbor April 29 2014 16: 35
      +2
      The same information and opinion as that of a friend, oligarch to oligarch change only time to lose. Moreover, the oligarchs, even if they have at least in us in Russia, non-Slavs and will find contact with each other.
  35. Rohon
    Rohon April 29 2014 16: 25
    +3
    Give a victory parade May 9 in Kiev !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fellow
  36. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 29 2014 16: 26
    +3
    Quote: surovts.valery
    I sent a message to my friend, a classmate from Kiev, through "classmates" more than a month ago, did not communicate with him since the beginning of the 90s, asked what was happening there. I received an answer, here is an excerpt from the answer: [b]] "Everything that you show on TV is propaganda. Not everything is so bad, but not good either. Everything that has not changed before. Politicians are fighting for the money. Ukraine is a peace-loving country, and Putin sick dude who voted for him again. He has delusions of grandeur. "[/ b In general, I wanted to hear from him a little different, but what we have is what we have.


    They are afraid to communicate. They are afraid of using Skype, they are afraid of the Internet. Do not provoke them, they believe that the SBU "grazes" them, and, you know, it will become of them. I with mine prefer to "rub" exclusively for the weather. Like, "May 9, Kiev will definitely have good weather." winked
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 29 2014 16: 39
      +2
      Quote: Stiletto
      I with mine prefer to "rub" exclusively for the weather.

      A word for word was told to me by a friend from the Donetsk region when I started asking him about what was happening.
      I can’t get rid of the saying: The Ukrainian fights to the first blood, and the Russian to the last.
      One hope, not all of them.
    2. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery April 29 2014 16: 54
      +1
      What, is it really so sad? In my reply, I did not touch on this topic, so as not to offend or engage in polemics.
    3. Maverick78
      Maverick78 April 29 2014 17: 40
      +2
      Yes, we are not afraid) And the person from Kiev wrote correctly. Not everything is as bad as yours show and not everything is as good as ours.
      For example, I have not yet seen a single Bandera-Nazi march in my city (Kremenchug). On May 9 I’ll go with my son. I talked with several people who were on the Maidan. Normal people, not Bandera. They have no idea about such a thing as geopolitics. They stood because they got such a life (believe me, the yanyk is a rare 3,14 daras) and not because the Banderoshukhevychs are their heroes. Yes, a lot of people support the nationalists in the memory, but this is understandable. From childhood, they are brought into the brain that Russia is an enemy, and upa are heroes. Moreover, in communication, again, quite sober (not radical) people (most). You show that Ukraine was simply flooded with militants PS ... nonsense. There were no more than 2-3 thousand of them on the Maidan (these are all radicals, we will call them all PS), that is, as many as the Golden Eagle.
      And now there are hardly more than 10-15 thousand (45 million)
      You ask: why the people will not tear them? I will answer. I do not see them. In our city they are (hardly a hundred typed), but they are not visible. You ask why we do not support SE. I will answer too. There, too, not everything is as they show you. Most of the population does not want to Russia, does not want to the EU. He wants to live on his land. If the so-called the separatists did not hang Russian flags - they would have had an order of magnitude more support. I’m not telling you after watching our type of media. I talked with living people from Kharkov, Donetsk, Mariupol. And I do not want to go to Russia. Why did you decide that your authorities will care about us as relatives if they don’t worry about you much? If you have a desire to dissuade me, we’ll talk on Skype, because we are willing to write. I do not consider Putin the savior of Russia (for now) because he is far from being a stupid person, plus he hardly has megalomania or any other mental deviations (as they say in the West) And the number of inconsistencies that occurred in relations between Russia and Ukraine ( Yes, and inside Russia itself) it says that he is not playing the game that he shows you. I could be wrong, of course, but it seems to me.
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 29 2014 18: 01
        0
        Quote: Maverick78
        And I do not want to go to Russia. Why did you decide that your authorities will care about us as relatives if they don’t worry about you much?

        Dear!
        We are not going to join anyone to Russia (only if your referendum shows similar results, as in the Crimea, and that is not a fact).
        Read what Lavrov offers, and this is our position.
        Yanik is also a 3.14dor for us, but he is the only legitimate one. With regards to the PS. That it is not in your city, believe me. But then the blood of the common people will appear. You do not broadcast their calls for the destruction of dissent? Or the massacres that they arrange in stealth, where there are so few of them. Or what do they do in the western regions?
        Indeed, now they are destroying your economy, and then the country with the people. You are already ruled by the United States.
        Putin gave you gas at a bargain price and loans. And what did the West and the USA give you? Cookies on the Maidan? hi
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 April 29 2014 18: 53
          +2
          I read what Lavrov offers. But I repeat. Russian flags in protest regions are a big mistake. And it seems not random. Someone is benefiting from just such a situation in Ukraine. And I have only 1 option to whom. Then the question is - what kind of game is Russia leading? The fact that your intelligence services operate on SE is not a secret even for you) Otherwise, for example, how to explain the capture of 20 Greystone mercenaries? Did the militias try? And since they are present there, then really can not coordinate the situation so that there is no such nonsense?
          About yanyka. The fact that he is a "legitimate 3,14 door" does not save the situation at all. Here he is already nobody, nobody will listen to him. He is a traitor to everyone.
          PS - 80 percent or even more consists of very young stupid individuals, 10 percent - from those who want to make themselves some kind of gesheft to the noise, 10% - real fanatics. They broadcast to us. So far I perceive all the Farions as Zhirinovsky. there is a lot of noise, nothing sense (for now) Nothing has changed dramatically on the memory ... the fact that the monuments are suffering is dolbo.Bism of course, but they are on their land, this is their problem.
          Our economy has been destroyed for 23 years, and if we take the last years of the USSR, then more. I know who controls them, which is why I was categorically against this Maidan. But I will tell you that the events on the Maidan were conducted in the most idiotic way from both sides. Everything naturally went precisely to this alignment.
          Putin is so kind that I have already suffered a tear. Why the hell are these loans at the time of the complete scribe ??? No more than a broad gesture for the masses. Where was the SYSTEM cooperation (excluding the period with Yushchenko)? Constantly some kind of jerking, then cheese war, then chocolate is still hz. what kind. I’m not saying that only Russia is to blame for such relations, we are neither white nor fluffy, but the fact remains, no one has done anything for normal relations (I’m not talking about ordinary people, but about politicians)
          About cookies - a separate conversation. This is either a production or those people who thanked her have not a drop of pride. I was disgusted.
      2. I read the news
        I read the news April 29 2014 18: 38
        +1
        You know, maybe in Kremenchug "not everything is so simple", but living in the western regions and not shouting "glory to the heroes" is getting more and more tense.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 April 29 2014 18: 57
          +1
          Well, I have many acquaintances in my memory ... not all share the ideology of "glory to heroes". They are still alive and well.
          1. I read the news
            I read the news 3 May 2014 00: 10
            0
            And what, out loud on the street do not share? Or quietly in his circle?
  37. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 29 2014 16: 28
    +1
    Correctly said, the moment of truth.
  38. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 29 2014 16: 33
    +2
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  39. tnship2
    tnship2 April 29 2014 16: 37
    +2
    The memory in Lviv, Kiev and other cities of Ukraine did not disappear at all. They are shy that they will suffer the same fate. The fate of all who instills fascism.
  40. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 29 2014 16: 38
    +2
    So again, Bandera power shows its anti-people essence. Soon, soon it will sink into oblivion.
  41. shelva
    shelva April 29 2014 16: 53
    0
    The opening of such a "solemn" procession should be entrusted to the banderlog, dressed in tattered German uniforms.
  42. konvalval
    konvalval April 29 2014 16: 54
    0
    Quote: Ivan Tarasov
    It seems that they are specifically setting up a population against themselves.

    Yes, they are doing everything from the very beginning so that their normal people hate, because the people rebelled.
  43. Lukich
    Lukich April 29 2014 17: 09
    +5
    and they will NEVER take this holiday away from people. This is a holy holiday for us. but for the fascists and Natsik this day may be mourning forever. we will drink for VICTORY, they for peace
  44. v-sorok
    v-sorok April 29 2014 17: 12
    0
    The United States nurtures fascism. In the Baltic States, annual demonstrations of former SS soldiers take place. And the most interesting_ under the protection of the police. The United States does the same in Ukraine, bringing neo-Nazi Bandera to power! And the most interesting! The EU has passed laws prohibiting not only demonstrations, but even Nazi symbols! Baltic States in the EU, Ukraine is pulled there too. And how do they react to the Nazi processions in the above countries? No way! These are the standards in the EU at the direction of the United States. The Yankees can only crap! Wherever you stick your face out!
  45. Lukich
    Lukich April 29 2014 17: 25
    +5
    let’s do it right.
  46. Children BuryKonya
    Children BuryKonya April 29 2014 17: 33
    +2
    But on the day of the city in Kiev, a gay parade is planned. I heartily congratulate the people of Kiev.
  47. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 29 2014 17: 43
    0
    Pro-Russian activists took control of the building of the Lugansk Regional State Administration. Law enforcement officers went over to the side of the people and put on St. George ribbons.
  48. santush
    santush April 29 2014 17: 51
    0
    Real traitors to the Motherland and traitors at the "helm" of Ukraine ...
  49. serge siberian
    serge siberian April 29 2014 18: 14
    -1
    Americans to the great Russian fascists made deliveries through third countries.
    Quote: ava09
    such as Jews, Anglo-Saxons and their European counterparts. And everywhere the donkey ears of the USA stick out.

    Jews in that terrible war killed and tortured more than 6000000 people. And they were not interested then and now either. I ask you to think about your actions and words. Can you want to say LIQUID MASSONS? Yes, I agree with this unconditionally.
    Bendera drove through the forests in 1962, those who did it are alive in Russia. It will be necessary to share their experience. Just like the veterans in the Donbass who were guerrilla during the Great Patriotic War.
    Thank you for the video.
    GLORY TO VETERANS! GLORY! THANKS FOR PABEDA !!! WELCOME TO YOU HAPPY HOLIDAY ON MAY 9 !!!
  50. kaa1977
    kaa1977 April 29 2014 18: 23
    0
    A nation that does not honor its past has no future.