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Kiev. Water for the Crimea?

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For almost a quarter of a century, Ukrainian politicians, especially those who positioned themselves or are positioning themselves adherents of “democracy and glasnost”, supporters of European values, methodically instilled into the heads of ordinary Ukrainians the thesis that Ukraine is a country that experienced the horror of the “famine” the fault of the authorities of the USSR (read - Russia).


In 2006, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law at all, according to which the Holodomor was recognized, as much as the genocide of the Ukrainian people, during which (“genocide”) no less than 8 of millions of Ukrainians died.

From TSB. Genocide is the extermination of certain groups of the population for racial, national or religious reasons, one of the most serious crimes against humanity. G.'s crimes are organically linked with fascism and similar reactionary "theories" that promote racial and national hatred and intolerance, the rule of the so-called. "higher" races over "lower", etc.

So, “8 of millions exterminated against the background of national hatred” ... Such statistics were presented at the meeting of the Rada by the chairman of the Institute of National Remembrance of Ukraine, Mr. Yukhnovsky. The same law introduced administrative responsibility for the denial of the famine. The authors, calling the 30's tragedy in Ukraine a genocide, did not deign to spread especially, that at that time famine claimed a huge number of human lives not only in Ukraine. Famine suffered from Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, the republics of Central Asia. What kind of "nation" so hated another nation to "arrange" a widespread hunger? Kiev knows ...

Accents were made precisely on the "genocide of Ukrainians." What is the purpose? The goal is one — first, the work of a propaganda machine, in which a program was laid about “the cruelty and bloodthirstiness of Russians who squeezed all the juices out of gullible Ukrainians,” then the disunity of the people with common roots. Now, isn't it happening in Ukraine ...

But if the Holodomor 30-x is a genocide like that, then, excuse me, today the Kiev pseudo-authorities — the ones who continue to insist on the Holodomor as the targeted destruction of the Ukrainian nation — suit the peoples of Crimea? If in the 1932-1933 year, to Ukraine, “someone” brought famine, then, obviously, in the year 2014, the Kiev junta brings to the Crimean land its no less monstrous analogue. Let's call it "waterhome". Exaggeration? Not at all. After all, the Kiev decision related to the actual blocking of water supplies through the North-Crimean canal to the peninsula is a crime against humanity, which we are witnessing today. It is difficult to find analogues in the modern world, when the wishes of political dictates regarding people were based on depriving these very people of a vital resource. The Kiev junta decided that depriving the water supply of hundreds of thousands of people was an option for “relations” with its neighbors ...

Kiev. Water for the Crimea?


The journalists of the Russia 1 channel were right, saying that the situation in which Moscow is trying to give Kiev time to pay its gas debts, in order not to switch to the prepaid system, against the backdrop of a twisted-off valve to supply water to the Crimea, is simply absurd. Depriving people of one of the most important components of life itself — water — is a decision that only sophisticated barbarians could make. But someone else continues to firmly believe that the presence of the Nazis in the Ukrainian capital is the story of Putin’s propaganda.

So, the water supply of the peninsula through the North-Crimean Canal (SCC) by Ukraine today has been reduced by more than two dozen times. These volumes of water are clearly not enough to fully cover the needs of the Crimea in fresh water, including in terms of agriculture. Numerous agricultural firms engaged in the cultivation of vegetables, rice, grapes, were threatened with bankruptcy. The chain is simple: water shortage - drought - crop failure - financial losses - the threat of the elimination of the economy. This chain, with the exception of the last points, is identical to the one that describes the causes of the famine in 30's throughout the USSR. Only if then drought has become a natural phenomenon, now a single junta can organize a drought, trying to show its “power”. Of course, no one is going to talk about the threat of “starvation deaths” in the Crimea due to the overlapping of water from the Dnieper River - just now it’s not that people are faced with such a threat. But the fact that hundreds of farms may be on the verge of survival is more than real. How realistic and the fact that there is a criminal order by the Maidan junta.

Historically, the Crimea has always been dependent on water from the “mainland”. If there were no problems with water in the mountainous areas of the Crimea, in places located in close proximity to local freshwater bodies of water, then in that part of the Crimea, which is represented by a flat landscape, problems appeared repeatedly before the appearance of the canal. And although there are a lot of wells throughout the flat part of the Crimea since the time of the Russian Empire, they are not capable of providing full-fledged water supply to this territory.

The only opportunity to obtain sufficient water resources for farming is currently in the northern and northeastern parts of the peninsula - the use of the Dnieper water. Dnieper water first went to the Crimea "on its own" in the autumn of the year 1963. In 1975, the channel was extended to the city of Kerch, located in the east of the peninsula. The total length of the channel today is about 402 km. 4 large pumping stations operate throughout the canal. The first is in the town of Tavriisk (Kherson region, Ukraine), the second is the Victory (Republic of Crimea, Russia), the third is Soviet (Republic of Crimea, Russia), the fourth is Green Yar (Republic of Crimea, Russia). The main problems that are observed today with water supply in Crimea are connected with the territories that are located between the border of Ukraine and the Sovetskoye pumping station. The further route of the canal is already filled with the waters of the Crimean reservoirs, which reduces the dependence of the eastern part of Crimea on the Dnieper water (the waters of the Kakhovka reservoir), which Kiev clearly “played,” preferring to drain it into the Black Sea instead of supplying people.



A couple of months ago, our readers paid attention to the fact that the Kiev self-proclaimers could begin to put pressure on the Crimeans precisely by means of the “gate” of the North-Crimean Canal. Unfortunately, today these concerns are confirmed. At the same time, self-proclaimers in the power of Ukraine, using their usual tactics, manage even here to lie and not blush. Representatives of the junta say that no one in Ukraine does not cut off water for the Crimea, and supposedly the whole thing is the “illiteracy” of the Crimean authorities. They say that Aksyonov himself does not start pumping stations at full capacity, which leads to the fact that water from the canal does not go at the same pace ... If we take into account that against this background, Kiev was engaged in disconnection of the peninsula from electricity, then reflections on the topic of "Simferopol's guilt" in the “non-use of pumping station capacities” they look like an outspoken Kiev cynicism, to which everyone has already begun to get used to and draw their own conclusions.

However, all attempts by the junta to cut off the Crimea from the water supply from the Dnieper through the CCM only lead to the fact that the Crimea is looking for and finding alternative water supply options for its lowland areas. One of these options is to reduce channel water losses when using local reservoirs. The second is the desalination of those artesian waters that have a low salt content. The third is the release of the so-called freshwater lenses, which were left as a reserve about 30 years ago. In the coming years, RusHydro is going to implement such projects, as reported by Kommersant.

But the implementation of these projects (and I would like to hope that they are being implemented without excessive red tape) should not give a reason to forget about the crime that the Maidan gathering in the power of Ukraine is committing towards the peoples of Crimea. Let's not forget that in the Crimea about a third of the population are people who, during the census, called themselves Ukrainians.
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  1. smel
    smel April 30 2014 08: 36
    +28
    Hoping for a host of flocks can only be naive. You need to rely only on your own strengths and on the support of friends. Well, the organizers of the watershed are a shame and condemnation of history. I would like to hope for the judgment of the people
    1. Canep
      Canep April 30 2014 08: 43
      0
      I think the canal was built in conjunction with the supply of the reclamation lobby, then it was fashionable to turn the river back, although there was a simpler solution - to drill wells. Now they decided to return to this. Today the main thing is to save the vineyards.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 April 30 2014 08: 49
        +8
        Capital letter
        1. 225chay
          225chay April 30 2014 09: 18
          +39
          Quote: ele1285
          Capital letter

          To a "connoisseur" of the Russian language: "spelled" will be correct
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 30 2014 12: 21
            +14
            I almost missed repeat .

            Comrades of the Military Review, I solemnly congratulate all those involved!

            WITH THE 365 ANNIVERSARY OF THE CREATION OF THE FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM OF RUSSIA!
            HAPPY FIRE SECURITY!
            DRY YOU SLEEVES!


            From myself, I wish you and your families all the best.
            Thank you for your hard work. hi drinks
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            2. badger1974
              badger1974 April 30 2014 19: 23
              0
              guys, with a day of dry sleeves, you still need to get used to it, because there was a decree on software dated April 17, then an order dated January 29, then an order dated September 17, I think our Crimean Transitional Fire Committee will finally settle down, let's go on April 30, WITH HOLIDAY COLLEAGUES
          2. Setrac
            Setrac April 30 2014 13: 19
            +3
            Both of you — if you essentially have nothing to say — better keep silent.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. April 30 2014 13: 32
          +14
          that at that time hunger claimed a huge number of human lives far from only in Ukraine. Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, the republics of Central Asia suffered from hunger

          Archival data - GARF.F.9479. Op. 1. D. 89, L. 205-216 - indicate that in 1932 668 thousand people died in Ukraine, in 1933 - 1 million 309 thousand people. That is, nearly 2 million people. If we also exclude the number of deaths due to natural causes, then 640-650 thousand people became victims of hunger. But not 5,5, or 6, or 7, or 9 or 10, or 15, or 25 million people. Incidentally, the figures are "6 million." and "7 million." have an exact origin - they are taken by idiots - "democrats" from Goebbels leaflets from the time of the Great Patriotic War. These are leaflets of the 145 RA and 154RA series. The use of "pearls" of Nazi propaganda is the favorite horse of the "democrats".
      2. Sunjar
        Sunjar April 30 2014 08: 56
        +8
        Blocked the water, the dogs are premature. Well, although they didn’t think of poisoning. Then would a full zugunder be
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 April 30 2014 11: 54
          +14
          poison? we are preparing pumping on a siphon in our area, there GK-22 (formerly Salgir) and Biyuk-Karasu (Karasevka) will merge, in general, from two water reservoirs of the Simferopol reservoir and the Taigan reservoir (Belogorsk), water will be pumped into the SCC, but at the expense poison, on the former decayed object "Vector" near the famous Chernobyl nuclear power plant began work, for information - "Vector" object for the burial of nuclear waste in order to implement the program for "Shelter-2" - imagine what will be buried there? and this is Pripyat - the inflow of the Dnieper, so we do not need such water for x
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 30 2014 16: 44
            +21
            We must look at everything - more positively!

            If someone thinks that everything is bad in Ukraine, he looks one-sidedly at the situation. After all, there is good:

            1. Recycled several thousand tires.
            2. Instead of one president, it became one and a half.
            3. Instead of one constitution, two became.
            4. Instead of one flag, four became.
            5. The country is spared from the subsidized region.
            6. Increased gas production from underground storage facilities.
            7. Gas costs reduced to zero.
            8. The hryvnia has become cheaper, now citizens can afford to buy more hryvnias for their dollars.
            9. The construction of the Great Ukrainian Trench has begun on the border with Russia.
            10. Within the framework of the "Army to the People" program, 6 units of armored vehicles were donated to the inhabitants of Slavyansk.
            11. The baton of Yulia Tymoshenko in the special sanatorium was taken by several dozen volunteers.
            12. The country has become more popular all over the world, millions of Americans now know where it is.
            13. The flow of tourists from Russia has grown significantly, it is so large that some Ukraine is forced to refuse entry.
            14. The head of the CIA came to Kiev, studied the experience of conducting Maidan.
            15. The vice president of the United States came to Kiev to study the experience of government.
            16. The economy has become more economical.
            17. Politics has become more popular.
            18. Human rights have become much more right.
            19. In Kiev, a radish crop has grown.
            20. The USA and Europe continue to enter Ukraine.

            And this is not the end!
          2. 9lvariag
            9lvariag 1 May 2014 00: 35
            0
            Yes, such infa intensively circulates on the Internet media. Yes, Kiev and Maidan on .. then rebuild. there after 2-3 years, then everyone will die out in mass isotope poisoning! :( Do not forget that even uranium, and even more so polonium, thorium. plutonium are terrible poisons and this is a slow death for all living things.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 30 2014 09: 09
        +37
        Quote: Canep
        Today the main thing is to save the vineyards.

        Just grapes and is not an irrigation crop, it has roots more than 10 m deep!
        Here is the rice (which was grown for the population of Ukraine fool ), vegetables - yes ...
        Well. With an integrated approach:
        1. Replacing rice with barley and wheat
        2. Artesian wells
        3. The conduit from the mouth of the Kuban
        4. Desalination plants
        5. The construction of reservoirs for the seasonal collection of water.
        6. Measures for the efficient use of water resources.
        7. In response banfor example, under the pretext of non-conformity of quality, sale of Ukrainian junk and food in the Crimea, future admission to the shelf, passage of Ukrainian vessels through the Kerch Strait.
        The problem will be solved. yes
        In the meantime, it will be necessary to compensate Crimean farmers (of course, due to the price of gas yes , do not lower it at any time!)
        1. zeleznijdorojnik
          zeleznijdorojnik April 30 2014 09: 39
          +5
          I understand your mood and thoughts, but the underwater conduit for fresh water is semi-fantastic, it will be cheaper to pour this rice with bottled mineral water Evian, delivered directly from Switzerland by plane.
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          2. siberalt
            siberalt April 30 2014 16: 09
            +4
            It is cheaper to buy rice where it is traditionally grown. And with the closure of the channel, the agricultural sector of the Kherson region suffers. If water is not allowed, then Kherson will demand independence from Kiev. Moreover, the year is very problematic for the independence. Army overseas dry rations can not do.
            1. zeleznijdorojnik
              zeleznijdorojnik April 30 2014 23: 44
              0
              And why will Kherson suffer? I am interested in order to increase education)))
            2. 9lvariag
              9lvariag 1 May 2014 00: 38
              +1
              So exactly the Ingulets irrigation system is one in the Crimea and the Kherson region.
        2. Canep
          Canep April 30 2014 09: 40
          +10
          Quote: Alekseev
          In response, the ban, for example, under the pretext of not conforming to the quality of the sale of Ukrainian junk and food in Crimea,
          Why only in the Crimea, in the whole vehicle! Although in Ukraine today everyone does not care about the economy, everyone has a maidan in their head. Let's see what the hangover will be like.
          1. gsg955
            gsg955 April 30 2014 10: 15
            +4
            The complete embargo on Western goods.
            1. dmitriygorshkov
              dmitriygorshkov April 30 2014 12: 31
              +4
              Quote: gsg955
              The complete embargo on Western goods.

              Why, the zapadentsy do something other than moronic, addressless hatred and nothing more than an inflated cheek?
              1. Egoza
                Egoza April 30 2014 16: 08
                0
                Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                Why, the zapadentsy make something


                Cognac is produced! Here our power is enough Transcarpathian cognacs. And we will also have a rest in Transcarpathia, because on April 25, a state border was established between mainland Ukraine and Crimea. And who travels to Crimea is the traitor. hi
                1. badger1974
                  badger1974 April 30 2014 16: 50
                  +6
                  And who travels to Crimea is the traitor.

                  yes no, not a traitor, take higher-TERORITY
                2. smart Fox
                  smart Fox April 30 2014 16: 58
                  +5
                  It seems that your cognac consumes power excessively. Send it to a detoxifier
                3. 9lvariag
                  9lvariag 1 May 2014 18: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Egoza
                  Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                  Why, the zapadentsy make something


                  Cognac is produced! Here our power is enough Transcarpathian cognacs. And we will also have a rest in Transcarpathia, because on April 25, a state border was established between mainland Ukraine and Crimea. And who travels to Crimea is the traitor. hi

                  Quote: Egoza
                  Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                  Why, the zapadentsy make something


                  Cognac is produced! Here our power is enough Transcarpathian cognacs. And we will also have a rest in Transcarpathia, because on April 25, a state border was established between mainland Ukraine and Crimea. And who travels to Crimea is the traitor. hi

                  Cognac is their trash. And it’s better Kizlyar.
                4. krymskij
                  krymskij 2 May 2014 17: 08
                  0
                  What brandy, if not secret? Is it that after sludge becomes white? wink
              2. 9lvariag
                9lvariag 1 May 2014 18: 56
                -2
                Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                Quote: gsg955
                The complete embargo on Western goods.

                Why, the zapadentsy do something other than moronic, addressless hatred and nothing more than an inflated cheek?
                Furniture, 2 weeks nazd ordered a bed. Salad and other culinary products. Ice cream. Several beers. Macaroni and so on. You won’t list everything.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS April 30 2014 12: 00
            +6
            Quote: Canep
            ! Although in Ukraine today everyone does not care about the economy, everyone has a maidan in their head.

            It is clear that to annoy the Crimea is quietly fit into the logic of the new authorities of Ukraine. Talking about some kind of humanitarian standards for Kiev is now foreign, but they are trying to block the export of so few Ukrainian goods to Russia, thereby destroying their own remnants of industry.
            It turns out (((I’ll burn the house so that it would pinch my neighbor’s eyes)))
            1. svd-xnumx
              svd-xnumx April 30 2014 14: 01
              +4
              Yes, not only the Crimea, but the agricultural producers of the Kherson region, if the junta is ill, suffers from blocking the canal. on their own what can I say about the Crimeans.
            2. wax
              wax April 30 2014 14: 41
              +4
              The real occupiers of their own country - soon the black soil will be transported by cars to Germany, freeing up territory for the production of shale gas.
        3. gsg955
          gsg955 April 30 2014 10: 14
          +5
          To expel all zapadentsev from Russia, they earn money for their own.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt April 30 2014 12: 40
            +3
            Quote: gsg955
            To expel all zapadentsev from Russia, they earn money for their own.


            Hmm ... this is the power of Russia - the ability to put pressure on them.
            Expel - lose one of the leverage.
            But to press them (but not so that they become much worse) is probably worth it, clearly showing what kind of behavior their country is leading to.
        4. Stone
          Stone April 30 2014 14: 43
          +3
          I think in the not-too-distant future, Ukrainian ships will not sail through the Kerch Strait. smile
        5. Amateur
          Amateur April 30 2014 21: 42
          +1
          Many suggested ways to solve the water problem in the Crimea. All of them are ineffective. And you won’t quickly supply water from the Russian coast - water pipelines must be built across the Kerch Strait. And, most likely, this will be combined in time with the construction of the Crimean bridge. The most effective solution is to take control of the canal starting from Tavriysk itself by force. Moreover, from the point of view of logic and morality, this will be justified. Of course, there will be an increase in sanctions, but it is unlikely that it will come to economic ones. Only now time is running out. Water is already needed for farmers.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 1 May 2014 01: 01
            +1
            Quote: Amateur
            The most effective solution is to take control of the channel starting from Tavriisk itself by force.

            In order not to sing about the prerequisites of the Syrian-Israeli war ...
            In September 1964, shortly after the opening of the all-Israeli water supply, the League of Arab Countries gathered in Cairo. The main issue on the agenda was the deprivation of Israel of the possibility of pumping water from Galilee and Jordan, and its further transfer to the south. As far back as 1953, Syria proposed to dig a branch channel collecting the waters of the Khatsbani, Banias and smaller streams flowing from the Golan Heights and feeding the Jordan River and Lake Kinneret. The water thus obtained was supposed to be thrown by gravity into the Yarmouk river and divided between Syria and Jordan. This time the plan was adopted by the League, and the necessary money was allocated. In early November, construction work began.
            The implementation of the Syrian program threatened the very existence of Israel, since it assumed the diversion of 60% of the waters of the Jordan and, as a result, a sharp drop in the water level in Lake Kinneret. This meant a significant reduction in the amount of drinking water in the country. Therefore, the Government of Israel decided to prevent the implementation of this program at all costs.
            This conflict subsequently led to the so-called The “water war” between Syria and Israel. Syria made three attempts to build a branch channel. All three were prevented by military operations by the Israel Defense Forces. After each failed attempt, the construction moved away from the Israeli-Syrian border.
            To prevent Israel from being accused of aggression against Syria and violating ceasefire agreements, operations were preceded by patrols or plowing of land in the demilitarized zones, which the Syrians considered forbidden to visit by the Israelis.

            In the 1967 year, during the six-day war, Israel occupied the Golan Heights, and the threat of diverting the tributaries of the Jordan disappeared.


            The incident in this century has already received a "continuation". In Asia, between the Indians and the Pak. In Africa, between Ethiopians, Egyptians, etc. ...
            1. atalef
              atalef 1 May 2014 01: 19
              -2
              Quote: Ptah
              The implementation of the Syrian program threatened the very existence of Israel, since it assumed the diversion of 60% of the Jordanian waters and, as a result, a sharp drop in the water level in Lake Kinneret

              The example is generally not entirely correct. mk water diversion from natural sources of water (rivers, lakes) is one thing, and artificial hydraulic structures are another.
              International treaties and rights apply only to natural water sources.
              Channels do not fit these contracts
              I do not mean turning off or turning on the water, but since we started talking about a legal assessment of events - Crimea has no legal right to Dnieper water because it does not flow through the territory of Crimea.
              Therefore, Ukraine (legally) has every right to dispose of its water as it wishes (I'm not talking about the consequences, I'm talking about the international legal side of the issue)
              No one can legally oblige Ukraine to supply water to the Crimea.
              As far as international laws are concerned.
              power is a completely different mechanism and has nothing to do with the law.
            2. 9lvariag
              9lvariag 2 May 2014 12: 47
              +1
              Quote: rezident
              I will give you a thousand examples that from St. Petersburg to the Yenisei, the originally Finnish land that must be returned to the owner and so on. And Crimea, judging by this, can finally be Turkish-Tatar so let's return it to the Turks.

              Crimea is not Tatar. Before Batu brought the Tatars to Crimea, there were already Scythians and Slavs and Slavic principalities existed! Do you just know about where the Asian black plague came to Europe? You such a thing as a siege of the fortress of Kafa, that either says? This is with the Genoese. and the fortress sovr. Theodosius! :) PS: can you tell me where Geysinfors was in 1917? Maybe part of Russia, and Afghanistan? Then learn terndi.
            3. 9lvariag
              9lvariag 2 May 2014 12: 49
              0
              Yes it is so my uncle was in Egypt at that time.
        6. Ptah
          Ptah 1 May 2014 00: 49
          +2
          Quote: Alekseev
          Desalination plants

          Here, just recently, "infoy has been enriched".
          The largest station on the planet for desalination of sea water (drinking) in California (?).
          The cost of water produced is within 55-58 cents per cubic meter.
          From me (in the center of Russia, on the banks of a large river), in 3 km. from an artesian well, the cost of cold water is 38 rub. = 1 share ...
          This is for the whole city. Somewhere and more expensive ...
          It's time to "scratch a turnip" ...
      4. 225chay
        225chay April 30 2014 09: 14
        +2
        Quote: Canep
        . Now they decided to return to this. Today the main thing is to save the vineyards.


        Right! As well as the fact that rice cultivation in the Crimea needs to be put on hold.
        1. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 30 2014 12: 34
          +4
          Quote: 225chay
          rice cultivation in Crimea

          Rice is definitely not the kind of culture that needs to be developed in the Crimea!
      5. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. April 30 2014 09: 17
        +9
        Quote: Canep
        although there was a simpler solution - to drill wells

        You are not right.
        Faced the problem of salting, the water (fresh), underground lenses themselves. Too quickly and a lot of fresh water was taken out, and the soils are too hygroscopic, it seems shell rock. They even tried to "help" nature, to renew it, and pumped water from the channel into the wells.
        Yes, there’s a whole saga with this channel, but in general with water. And water is connected with energy. There, about 400 hundreds of booster pumping stations. At the end of the 60s they decided to build their own nuclear power plant, but ... Chernobyl, the collapse of the USSR Gorbachev already begun, and ... in 1989, they completely abandoned the construction of the Crimean nuclear power plant.
        That is, briefly ...
        Wells are not a panacea.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 30 2014 09: 36
          +6
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          That is, briefly ...
          Wells are not a panacea.


          In short, Soviet geologists found water in Crimea a long time ago, wells were drilled, but in connection with the construction of the canal, they were mothballed.
          Now they are engaged.

          First Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of Crimea Rustam Temirgaliyev has already stated that the problem is not as terrible as it seems:

          “We raised the archives on geological prospecting, when in the 70s underground fresh water reserves in the Crimea were studied, and found quite interesting facts that were also confirmed by geological exploration in 2004. The northeastern centers of the peninsula (Sivash region) turned out to be rich in fresh water. Preliminary, the production of drinking water can exceed 200 thousand cubic meters per day. This will be enough to provide the southeastern part of the peninsula with drinking water, including Kerch and Feodosia. It is very important that these wells will be renewable. Water in these sources, given reasonable use, inexhaustible. Therefore, we can safely say that Crimea is rich in drinking water. "


          If someone wants to know how Crimeans themselves look at this problem, then here is an article by a rather reputable comrade, zinc ----

          http://zerkalokryma.ru/important/nam_grozit_gumanitarnaya_katastrofa1/
          1. andj61
            andj61 April 30 2014 12: 13
            +4
            Quote: Karlsonn
            If someone wants to know how Crimeans themselves look at this problem, then here is an article by a rather reputable comrade, zinc ----

            http://zerkalokryma.ru/important/nam_grozit_gumanitarnaya_katastrofa1/


            Thanks, very interesting article. Solve the water problem of Crimea for agriculture for even 5 years without the capabilities of the North Crimean Canal it will not work. It is necessary to try to agree, and then gradually solve this problem at the expense of Russian resources.
            I believe that it is necessary to use "heavy artillery" in the form of Lavrov and Putin to identify the problem and report it to the world community, to organize pressure on Ukraine, as well as urgently resolve issues of compensation to agricultural producers in Crimea - they should not suffer.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn April 30 2014 13: 33
              +8
              Quote: andj61
              Thanks, very interesting article. It will not be possible to solve the water problem of Crimea for agriculture for even 5 years without the capabilities of the North Crimean Canal.


              The problem will be solved this year, this is my personal opinion.
              Ukraine will not even be given a chance. At the moment, they are trying to spoil the pug’s attempts at least somehow, yes there is a problem, yes they will solve it, but it’s not worth inflating the catastrophe out of it. hi

              The main thing has already been achieved.
              1. The point
                The point April 30 2014 15: 49
                +9
                Our Crimea is the point!
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn April 30 2014 17: 01
                  +7
                  Quote: Maksud
                  Our Crimea is the point!


                  Five points! drinks
                  Smiled. laughing

                  Continuing the theme:
        2. internatio
          internatio 1 May 2014 01: 28
          0
          At the same time, Z.A.M., you missed such moments as: 1) karst cavities, carried away up to 40% of the flowing water and caused the desalination of Kyzyl-Yar and a number of other salt lakes; 2) the injection of water into the cavity led to the secondary salinization of the soil; 3) NPPs were built for the military, and the population was strongly opposed; 4) wells will lead to even greater tragedy;
          5) desalination requires a bit of energy, which is already not enough.
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      7. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik April 30 2014 09: 35
        +9
        Why such a disregard for the ideas of land reclamation in Soviet times? Question the need for this channel? In vain. As for the idea as a whole, even if a number of projects had flaws, the projects were aimed at strengthening agricultural, and not at personal enrichment and kickbacks.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 30 2014 09: 46
          +2
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          Why such a disregard for the ideas of land reclamation in Soviet times?

          It’s just that land reclamation followed an extensive path, at the level of then technologies. Compare sprinkler and drip irrigation for water flow.
          I think that now, in order to exclude water losses, it would be better to let a closed conduit run than to fill a canal.
          Another thing is that the waters in the Kakhovka reservoir are sea ... Well, they don’t want to receive "tanga" wide Banderlog, let them pour it into the sea. The North Crimean Canal will become bankrupt, like Nenka herself with such b ... at the head. yes
          1. andj61
            andj61 April 30 2014 12: 17
            +2
            Quote: Alekseev
            I think that now, in order to exclude water losses, it would be better to let a closed conduit run than to fill a canal.


            That is right. In an open channel, losses exceed 50%.
            1. wax
              wax April 30 2014 14: 46
              +3
              Losses from the channel go to evaporation, and this makes the climate in the channel zone softer. So there is no silver lining, and good without a cloud.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 30 2014 17: 12
                0
                COMRADES, and who looked from which river the water is taken to Crimea? COMRADES, AND WHO REMEMBERS THE MAP of the basin of this very river? bully

                and then lit - wells, channels ... wassat
                not only banderlogs are able to twist gates. hi
        2. cdrt
          cdrt April 30 2014 12: 43
          0
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          As for the idea as a whole, even if a number of projects had flaws, the projects were aimed at strengthening agricultural production, and not at personal enrichment and kickbacks.


          Well, yes, yes ...
          A turn of the northern rivers, for example, which would destroy the extremely fragile ecosystems of Siberia.
          All were idealists and the regime as a whole took care of the country.
          Of course, he was in no way associated with the lobby of land reclamators and Central Asian republics in the Council of Ministers and the Politburo ...
          1. wax
            wax April 30 2014 15: 00
            +1
            "The turn of the Siberian rivers" is a meme of the first Soviet liberals. It was about an open water pipeline to Central Asia with water intake of about 1-1,5 percent of the flow. Changes would be for the better, both for the "fragile ecosystems" of Siberia (you are not talking about oil and gas production) - waterloggedness would decrease somewhat - and for Kazakhstan and other Central Asian republics. The transformation of Central Asia into the Sahara (the Aral Sea is now only in memories) will lead to such changes in Western Siberia that it will be difficult to correct. In addition, no one prevents China from taking water from the sources of these same Siberian rivers for its own needs. The climate is not even the East, it is a super delicate matter, and inaccessible for liberal logic.
      8. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik April 30 2014 09: 36
        +4
        It’s easier to drill wells, but the aquifer can dry out when the volumes are consumed, compared with the volumes of the channel.
        1. SIT
          SIT April 30 2014 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          It’s easier to drill wells, but the aquifer can dry out when the volumes are consumed, compared with the volumes of the channel.

          The volume of fresh groundwater under the bottom and coast of the Sea of ​​Azov is 10cub. km 1 cubic km is enough for Crimea With a weaning of 10%, there is no dilution of a groundwater deposit. The channel was built because it was in the spirit of large-scale achievements that Nikita Sergeevich loved so much. Yes, and inclined drilling technologies such as now were not there.
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      9. aleks 62
        aleks 62 April 30 2014 09: 38
        +7
        .... Vineyards will have nothing to worry about (the roots of grapes go down to a depth of 30m), but with vegetables and orchards (where they have survived) there will be a problem .... You cannot drill wells for irrigation. There was such an experiment in the 60th collective farm millionaire "Russia", for irrigation with artesian water before. the collective farm of the hero of social labor was given, and as a result, salinization of aquifers occurred, as a result of which the water became unusable ...) In general, artesian water in Crimea has increased hardness almost everywhere (Crimea, the former seabed and powerful layers of limestone and shell rock, almost everywhere....
        1. Anisim1977
          Anisim1977 April 30 2014 10: 06
          +4
          And a small detachment - to open and jam on an openly closed ventilator? hi
          1. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov April 30 2014 12: 47
            +3
            Quote: Anisim1977
            And a small detachment - to open and jam on an openly closed ventilator?

            With the capture of Kiev and the equalization of Westerners from the face of the earth? ....
      10. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 30 2014 10: 29
        +5
        Quote: Canep
        the canal was built in conjunction with the reclamation lobby

        The fact is that the Dnieper water is free and renewable, and conserved lenses have a finite resource. This is not a watering garden in the country, renewal in the lens is slow and depends on the amount of precipitation. So the use of artesian wells to supply drinking water to the settlements of the Crimea makes sense, and you can use such water only as a palliative to irrigate the fields, anyway, the problem will have to be solved radically, in the worst case, by the method of undermining the gateway, if you don’t understand it humanly.
        The idea of ​​the associates of Korchinsky and others like them is well known: Crimea should be Ukrainian or deserted. There is such ukroagitation:
        1. yulka2980
          yulka2980 April 30 2014 15: 04
          +2
          And what does the Japanese geisha in a Chinese suit have to do with it? laughing
          1. 225chay
            225chay April 30 2014 16: 17
            0
            Quote: yulka2980
            And what does the Japanese geisha in a Chinese suit have to do with it?


            This Chinese athlete in a gay costume ...
            1. badger1974
              badger1974 April 30 2014 17: 13
              0
              in short, tranny, or he whistles, well, in general, a remark such-like Europedia comes to you
        2. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 30 2014 15: 50
          0
          anyway, the problem will have to be solved radically
          I propose to pour a mound into the place of a bridge or an underground tunnel to the Crimea from the Kuban, and then there will be not the Sea of ​​Azov, but Lake of Azov. And in the embankment to make locks for shipping. The cost will probably be the same. what
          1. badger1974
            badger1974 April 30 2014 17: 16
            +1
            you won’t believe it, but the Germans tried it, but the course of the Don and Kuban is stronger, and the surge in the autumn from the Caucasus makes the dam a sandbox on the beach, you really believe me
            1. Gomunkul
              Gomunkul April 30 2014 19: 51
              0
              you won’t believe it, but the Germans tried it, but the course of the Don and Kuban is stronger, and the surge in the autumn from the Caucasus makes the dam a sandbox on the beach, you really believe me
              Then, as an option to make a dam, after some time the lake will become fresh, plus how is a hydroelectric power station?
              1. badger1974
                badger1974 April 30 2014 20: 28
                0
                well, there’s a rational grain in it, but with rather bad prospects, believe me, I was in a surge from the Caucasus, 22 ships in town ... but of which sulfur settled, and we loaded 300 tons of idiots with oil into the bags with shovels, another operation, so it’s unlikely that something will work out from the hydroelectric power station, to flood the territory with huge nadot, and this is peep ....
          2. internatio
            internatio 1 May 2014 01: 41
            0
            Your proposal is ecoterrorism! How lightly do you propose ditching the whole ecosystem - the Sea of ​​Azov. Dangerous frivolity!
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        4. The point
          The point April 30 2014 15: 54
          +3
          and here are purebred ... Ukrainians and pseudo-inhabitants of Crimea
        5. Michael_59
          Michael_59 2 May 2014 19: 12
          0
          Quote: inkass_98
          There is such ukroagitation:


          Wow, PAPERDEMON!?!
          Where have you dug up this paperwork trick? I thought he was buried in chaos already, an occultist fucking.
        6. Michael_59
          Michael_59 2 May 2014 19: 58
          0
          Quote: inkass_98
          There is such ukroagitation:


          Wow, PAPERDEMON!?!
          Where have you dug up this paperwork trick? I thought he was buried in chaos already, an occultist fucking.
      11. smurnoi
        smurnoi April 30 2014 11: 08
        +3
        A simple and cheap solution was found in a common state. Drilling wells, as well as their maintenance, does not cost a penny at all. The volume of water supplied by the canal and its availability is difficult and expensive to replace with wells. Moreover, all agriculture was imprisoned for this channel.
      12. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul April 30 2014 15: 46
        +1
        I think the canal was built in conjunction with the reclamation lobby, then it was fashionable to reverse the river

        You are not quite right.
        For the first time, the idea of ​​transferring the Dnieper waters to the Crimea was expressed as early as 1846. Its author was the first director of the Nikitsky Botanical Garden Christian Khristianovich Steven. The problem of water supply for the Crimea has always been considered over-relevant. So, as a result of the famine caused by the severe drought of 1833, tens of thousands of people died, the Crimean villages were empty. In the newspaper Tavrida for 1880, it was reported that there were even collisions on the soil of water on the peninsula, sometimes ending in bloodshed.

        More than a hundred years later, Steven’s idea was recalled again, and at the highest level, and in 1950 a decision was made to build the North Crimean Canal. For more than ten years, research and research work has been going on, and in February 1961 the plenary session of the Crimean Regional Party Committee announced the construction of the North Crimean Canal as a nation-wide construction project. According to Komsomol trips from all over the USSR, ten thousand young builders arrived on the peninsula - and the work began to boil.

        From the story of the SKK veteran, Mikhail Labunts:

        ... The whole country participated in this construction! We received equipment from Arkhangelsk, Birobidzhan, Tallinn. They helped us from the GDR, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia. Of course, the costs were large, but the object in the end turned out to be decent!

        On October 17, 1963, the canal builders consider it a great day. At 13.45, after a powerful explosion of the lintel, the Dnieper water rushed to the Crimea. The launch of the canal was also marked by the arrival of high officials: Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev cut the red ribbon at the festive rally.

        The construction of three canal lines continued until the end of the nineties. The Dnieper water revived not only the steppe regions, but came to Feodosia and Kerch
        hi
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      14. biglow
        biglow April 30 2014 17: 12
        0
        Quote: Canep
        Now they decided to return to this. Today the main thing is to save the vineyards.

        no need to water the vineyards ... request
      15. Ataman
        Ataman April 30 2014 22: 31
        0
        Tavriisk is not yet part of the Republic of Crimea? Then polite people come to you.
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 April 30 2014 08: 46
      -6
      yes plow their mothers, are we Great or will Mr. Volodin argue? White-blue-red is not his more beautiful
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 April 30 2014 09: 09
        +6
        Crimea will survive, and idiots without money will remain.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 30 2014 09: 26
          +9
          Quote: ZU-23
          Crimea will survive, and idiots without money will remain.


          It seems to me that idiots will remain not only without money.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 30 2014 11: 25
            +5
            Suddenly:

            The blogger, writing under the pseudonym kurgoko, published a document explaining Russophobia, acting President of Ukraine Alexander Turchinov.

            - Recently announced the desire of the Kiev junta to ban Victory Day in Ukraine. And although I wanted to publish the facts below as part of my excursion into the history of Tymoshenko. Have to do it now. Nothing comes out of nowhere. Each phenomenon has its own story. And Bandera on the streets of our cities is a consequence of neglecting this story.

            Ukrainians who are sitting in the chair of the president of Ukraine? I answer you - the son of a fascist, Nazi Turchinov Alexander Valentinovich.

            As you know, the father of Alexander Turchinov - Valentin Ivanovich Turchinov, 1909 year of birth. 13 August 1942 years, Valentin Ivanovich was captured under the village of Ulyanovo, Orel region. So, it happens in war and there is nothing reprehensible in this.

            But ... Being an ordinary soldier of the working battalion of the German army ... Yes, yes, an ordinary Nazi army, not a prisoner of the Nazi concentration camp, but a "soldier" of the Reich in the warm French town of Lanion. Maybe it was influenced by the fact that Turchinov, the father, is a native of Red Kut, a German settlement in the Saratov region. Maybe something else. But this is a betrayal of the motherland.

            And for treason, they are punished. And the father of the current acting the heads of the Bandera junta were sent to mines in a remote corner of the Chita region. And here is the son of an ordinary working battalion of the Nazi army, acting President of Ukraine cancels Victory Day 9 May. Heil Hitler, Ukraine. Your grandfathers fought for good reason, - the blogger wrote in a comment.




            The photo is clickable.
            1. The point
              The point April 30 2014 15: 58
              +5
              Guys from Ukraine, all its regions (I believe that in the west of Ukraine there are adequate people)! This is for you!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn April 30 2014 17: 18
                +5
                Quote: Maksud
                Guys from Ukraine, all its regions (I believe that in the west of Ukraine there are adequate people)! This is for you!


                In confirmation of:

                "People's Mayor" of Transcarpathia promised to expel the putschists in 48 hours
                Petro Getsko, in response to threats from the Kiev authorities, said that in the region he represents "there are more trunks than the population."
                The Security Service of Ukraine has put the self-proclaimed Prime Minister of the "Republic of Subcarpathian Rus" on the wanted list. In response, Petro Getsko told LifeNews that the residents of Transcarpathia themselves are ready to put the representatives of the Kiev junta on the wanted list.
                - I was put on the wanted list in connection with the situation in the southeast and the demands that the Rusyns put forward to the representatives of the junta in Transcarpathia. Now we are with the Kiev authorities on an equal footing, we have more rights and we have a mandate of trust no less than that of the security services of Ukraine, - said the mayor of Transcarpathia. - We ourselves can put on the wanted list the head of the Transcarpathian department of the SBU and the leader of the "Right Sector" of Transcarpathia. If they think that our demands are someone else's invention, they are wrong. The people will follow us, because now the legitimacy of the Kiev authorities is zero.
                According to Peter Getsko, the inhabitants of Transcarpathia have already put forward their ultimatum, and if their demands are not met before May 11, they are ready to free the republic from the Kiev putschists.
                - We are all waiting for May 11, when our ultimatum expires. And if our conditions are not met, if the Kiev authorities do not disarm the "Right Sector", if a part of the Geneva agreements is not fulfilled, we will proceed to active actions, - says the mayor of Transcarpathia. - It is difficult to say how the events will develop after May 11, in Transcarpathia there are more trunks than the population according to the census, and the attitude of the people towards the junta is extremely negative. We have a precedent in 1939, when the junta also seized power. Then the people arose and cleared the area from the rebels in a day and a half. The operation to liberate Transcarpathia from the putschists today will take a maximum of two days. We will be able to protect the Hungarians and Rusyns from the encroachments of the current government, and for this we have all the means.
                Kiev authorities suspect Pyotr Getsko of encroaching on the territorial integrity of the country. The self-proclaimed mayor appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin and asked for recognition of the independence of the Transcarpathian region.
                In addition, Pyotr Getsko publicly stated that if the Kiev authorities did not fulfill their demands, his supporters were ready to resist them. Residents of Transcarpathia insist that the referendum, which they are only preparing to hold in eastern Ukraine, took place in their 1991 year, and then the vast majority voted to create autonomy.


                zinc --- http://kavpolit.com/blogs/ukranian/3414/
          2. cdrt
            cdrt April 30 2014 12: 48
            +1
            But it’s interesting - you can’t carry out sabotage - to blow up the last sections of the channel? To fix it had a long and painful.
            And then ... by threats at the diplomatic and military level to slow down the repair, and maybe with a statement - will repair - we will bomb.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn April 30 2014 13: 35
              +1
              Quote: cdrt
              But it’s interesting - you can’t carry out sabotage - to blow up the last sections of the channel? To fix it had a long and painful.


              What is the little things? Comrade a little higher already offered to simply clean up the junta.
          3. Zeus
            Zeus April 30 2014 13: 17
            +11
            According to information available on the network, the agricultural sector of Ukraine does not have fuel for sowing. So idiots, like normal Ukrainians who were forced to fall into this situation, will also remain without a crop.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn April 30 2014 17: 19
              +8
              I support the topic:
        2. Anper
          Anper April 30 2014 10: 09
          +4
          Quote: ZU-23
          Crimea will survive, and idiots without money will remain.

          So somewhere, according to the Svidomo media, information slipped that the farmers in the Kherson region rebelled - the crop was drying up, and armored personnel carriers sent there.
          1. strannik595
            strannik595 April 30 2014 10: 39
            +5
            turn off gas to Kiev until they turn on the water to Crimea .... everything is simple, but what? life in a communal apartment, it’s so .... predictable stop
        3. Egoza
          Egoza April 30 2014 16: 14
          +1
          Quote: ZU-23
          Crimea will survive, but idiots without money will remain

          That's about the money they are already worried! laughing They adopted a law on the occupied territories and went to calculate how much Russia owes them !!! belay
          "As the Minister of Justice Pavel Petrenko said at a press conference on March 24, his department summarized information from ministries and departments on the losses incurred from the occupation of Crimea, and came to the conclusion that the total amount of these losses is UAH 950 billion. we want from Russia for the Crimea.

          At the same time, he noted that the said amount does not include lost profits, which will be accrued additionally. The minister also said that Ukraine has not yet calculated the cost of minerals and deposits on the Black Sea shelf, which also passed to Russia.

          In general, apparently, our government approached the issue of prices seriously and thoroughly. According to Petrenko, the process of inventorying the property of the Russian Federation has already begun, which Ukraine can reach. "We have begun calculating the value of the state property of the Russian Federation, which is located on the territory of Ukraine. According to international law and Ukrainian legislation, this property can be the subject of precisely compensation for losses on those possible decisions that will be made by Ukrainian or international courts. The corresponding calculations are carried out by law enforcement agencies, and our diplomatic structures, "- said Petrenko."
          1. badger1974
            badger1974 April 30 2014 18: 33
            +1
            To begin with, these idiots need Donetsk and Lugansk, and only then get to the chongor and the red shepherd, and the last to arrest our Aksyonov, Konstantinov and her majesty is our nyash, the task is impossible for idiots, but for degenerates it’s all one for nothing, high cones go to Bavaria to collect, calls out Klitschko
    3. Validator
      Validator April 30 2014 10: 33
      +2
      Velikoukry and actually believe in it:
    4. xenod55
      xenod55 April 30 2014 12: 31
      +1
      Sappers, a question for you, how much TNT equivalent is needed to steal the locks at the beginning of the canal and to release water.
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 April 30 2014 20: 32
        +1
        no matter how, the pumps do the pumping first to the Kakhov canal, and then to the North Crimean one, about gravity is not about what you thought, it’s a smooth steppe
    5. cdrt
      cdrt April 30 2014 12: 37
      +3
      The Holodomor was not genocide precisely because all the inhabitants of the territories affected by hunger and requisitions of the authorities, rather than nationality, suffered.
      Another question is that he was a crime against humanity.

      With the current water supply, it is even steeper, because the right to access to drinking water is one of the fundamental in the Declaration of Human Rights.
      Well ... real legitimate casus belli.
      Another thing is that declaring war on the Hohland because of this means going into its trap - for the junta really NEEDS RUSSIAN AGGRESSION.
      1. Ace in the sleeve
        Ace in the sleeve April 30 2014 17: 12
        +1
        With the current water supply, it is even steeper, because the right to access to drinking water is one of the fundamental in the Declaration of Human Rights.


        With drinking it seems like everything is in order in Crimea. Here we are talking about water for irrigation - "agricultural".

        In fact, the problem is that Ukraine, if it sells water to Crimea, thereby recognizes it as the legal side, and its new status too. Contracts are concluded between the two parties. If I’m not mistaken, this was precisely the argument - there is no reason for the supply of water. Previously, it received water, well, on a balance or something, some Ukrainian ministry, or some kind of UkrKrymVodokanal in the Crimea. And now he is not legally there. So there is no reason to supply water. And they don’t recognize Crimea as a party. And they are not negotiating with Crimea about Russia, because they do not recognize Crimea as part of Russia. Something like that
    6. svp67
      svp67 April 30 2014 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: smel
      Well, the organizers of the watershed are a shame and condemnation of history.

      Better without Dnieper water than with Bender ...
      1. Fornit
        Fornit April 30 2014 15: 55
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Better without Dnieper water than with Bender

        Here you are, dear, just like our President, you pronounce the names incorrectly ... He said "... but he will never be Bender's ..." (C)
        Bendery is the name of the settlement, and the Nazi henchman was S. B. A ndera. Draw conclusions ... You have to say and write "Bandera" - otherwise the whole meaning of the phrase is lost ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 1 May 2014 00: 34
          0
          Quote: Fornit
          Here you are, dear, like our President, pronounce the names incorrectly ...
          I apologize "for the incorrectness", but I will repeat that it is better now to be patient without the Dnieper water than to live with the followers of Stepan Bandera's teachings
    7. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo April 30 2014 17: 41
      +1
      Well, the organizers of the watershed are a shame and condemnation of history. I would like to hope for the judgment of the people

      That's right, but the question can hardly be resolved by general indignation ... A. Krylov's cook also shamed the cat ... but to no avail. The question requires a more radical solution. Cutting off the water supply is genocide! And the UN Charter requires not to allow genocide ... Therefore, within the framework of international laws, there will be an initiative of "SPECIALLY POLITICAL GUYS" to come to the Kakhovskoye reservoir and open the valve ... I am sure they can do it! I am also sure that rice growers, onion growers ... watermelon growers and other vegetable growers of the Ukrainian Kherson region ... as one ... will support the "initiative" of the "polite guys" ... Crimeans will be compensated for the loss of their crops, but Ukrainian agricultural workers will receive only big greetings and tears from Turchynov & K * ... That will be a noble action against the genocide of the Ukrainian population. Let OBAMA blather after that!
  2. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 30 2014 08: 37
    +18
    The Russians also perished, the famine was everywhere.
    It was the genocide of the entire population of the USSR, not only Ukraine.
    Stalin stopped the Trotskyists in time, otherwise they would have destroyed half of the country.
    1. Canep
      Canep April 30 2014 08: 39
      +8
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      The Russians also perished, the famine was everywhere.

      Even in America during these years there was a famine, and there it was built artificially.
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov April 30 2014 08: 51
        +5
        Canep
        Even in America during these years there was a famine, and there it was built artificially.

        The Trotskyists in the USSR were supported by American clans, therefore it is not surprising that the same methods of political pressure, both here and in the USA.
      2. ssskalinin
        ssskalinin 4 May 2014 21: 19
        0
        According to open data, up to 2.5 million people died in the states
    2. 225chay
      225chay April 30 2014 09: 22
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      It was the genocide of the entire population of the USSR, not only Ukraine.
      Stalin stopped the Trotskyists in time, otherwise they would have destroyed half of the country.


      I absolutely agree with you. Thousands of these Trotsky-Bronstein and other watchmaking masters, bloody cases of executioners were thrown into Russia. They mainly headed the repressive bodies of the Cheka-OGPU.
      The genocide of the Slavic population of Russia.
      1. rezident
        rezident April 30 2014 12: 51
        -5
        Stalin then just carried out this terror. Not in order to starve a bunch of people to starvation, but only to sell grain abroad in order to carry out forced industrialization. My relatives themselves suffered from this, though not in Ukraine, but in the Volga region. It’s clear that everything fell under the distribution, but explain it to other nations. For example, my grandmother did not like Russians, although she did not like the Nazis much more and my grandfather was philosophical about this. Both fought.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 30 2014 13: 41
          +2
          Quote: rezident
          Stalin then just carried out this terror. Not in order to starve a bunch of people to starvation, but only to sell grain abroad in order to carry out forced industrialization.


          This nonsense has already been sorted out a thousand times on Voennoye Obozreniye, are you new?

          Quote: rezident
          It’s clear that everything fell under the distribution, but explain it to other nations. For example, my grandmother did not like Russians, although she did not like the Nazis much more and my grandfather was philosophical about this. Both fought.


          go nuts.
          1. Fornit
            Fornit April 30 2014 15: 57
            +3
            so rezident same ... You have to understand ...
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn April 30 2014 17: 21
              +1
              Quote: Fornit
              so rezident ... One must understand ...


              I remove the question, thanks for the clarification. drinks
        2. sled beach
          sled beach 2 May 2014 00: 19
          0
          Oh, even Ukraine can be distinguished from the Volga. Educated American, well done.
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    3. Setrac
      Setrac April 30 2014 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      The Russians also perished, the famine was everywhere.

      Jews did not die of the famine, how strange it was, as if they hadn’t lived in Russia!
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 30 2014 17: 36
        +4
        Quote: Setrac
        Jews did not die of the famine, how strange it was, as if they hadn’t lived in Russia!


        wipes sweat from his forehead with an earflap

        Dear in Ukraine, there is such a "masterpiece" - "The Book of Memory of the Victims of the Holodomor", so that you do not doubt, I give an example:

        - We are opening the "martyrology" of the Zaporozhye region. The first on the list is Berdyansk. In total, the compilers of the "Book" attributed 1467 people to the "victims of the Holodomor" in this city. The 1184 cards indicate nationalities. 71% of them are ethnic Russians, 13% are Ukrainians, 16% are representatives of other ethnic groups. The number of "Holodomor victims" in Berdyansk (according to the "Memory Book" of the Zaporozhye region) Russians-842, Ukrainians-155, Jews-66, Bulgarians-55, Germans-25, Greeks-20, Poles-4, Belarusians-3, Armenians -2, Karaites-2, Old Believers-2, Czechs-2, Estonians-2, Assyrians-1, Italians-1, Latvians-1, Syrians-1.

        By the way, those who know how to carefully and patiently read "masterpieces", a terrible belay :

        - extracts from the "Book of Memory of Holodomor Victims" of the Zaporozhye Region: City of Berdyansk: Mileshko Alexander, 20 years old, worker, Russian, date of death - 18.12.1932/49/18.03.1933, cause of death - alcohol poisoning Vladimir Shushlov, 7 years old, date of death - 09.10.1933/13/03.09.1933, asphyxia, acute alcohol poisoning Marina Vorobyova, 45 years old, from a family of workers, date of death - 23.11.1932, crushed by a bus Alexey Nechipurenko, 25 years old, from a family of workers, Russian, date of death - 08.11.1933, cerebral hemorrhage from being hit by a bus City Zaporozhye: Ryabtsev Vasily Ivanovich, 6 years old, worker, Russian, date of death - 09.08.1933/34/16.06.1933, concussion, alcoholic depression Zinovievsky village council: Zheleshkov Mikhail, 30 years old, worker, Ukrainian, date of death - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, killed by a car Vasilievsky village council: Myagky Pavel Pavlovich, XNUMX years old, from the family of an individual farmer, Ukrainian, date of death - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, was hit by a car Belogoryevsky village council: Luka Pavlovich Konovalenko, XNUMX years old, collective farmer, Ukrainian, date of death - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, killed by lightning. And so on and so forth. The authorities are trying to present all these tragic deaths to us now as direct consequences of the famine of the XNUMXs, a huge number of deaths from accidents, work injuries and even from alcohol intoxication.

        zinc --- http://blog.i.ua/user/377584/320903/
    4. wax
      wax April 30 2014 15: 15
      +1
      Famine before the revolution http://warfiles.ru/show-22011-koshmar-goloda-v-carskoy-rossii.html
      And what about genocide? (But, by the way, the actions of Nicholas II in relation to the starving provinces can be interpreted as genocide).
  3. domokl
    domokl April 30 2014 08: 39
    +16
    The water problem, as I think, will be solved before the next spring season ... But the chance for the Russian Federation to talk substantively and stop pitying Ukraine is the most real ... It's time to stop chewing and blowing snot really both in the junta, the EU, and the USA. ..We are ready for restrictions, but we are no longer ready to sing Western crap ...
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 30 2014 09: 05
      +8
      Welcome hi .

      You will laugh, but here is from today's "Ukrainian news" feed:

      Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Victoria Syumar believes that the torchlight procession of nationalists, which on the eve led to a mass brawl on the Maidan, is the work of Russia and its special services.
      "May will be one of the most difficult months in the history of the country, it is obvious. It was planned to start the" May holidays "in the version of the order from the Russian special services today from the Maidan, with the classic" torchlight procession "to BP," Syumar wrote.
      An ideal picture of the demonstration of "neo-fascism" in Kiev on the eve of May 9. It was possible to stop the forces of self-defense. But it's worth remembering: this is just the beginning, "she added.


      zinc --- http://glavnoe.ua/news/n174942

      Here by the way the question:

      - and who the lad?

      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 30 2014 11: 30
        +2
        Actually the video arrived in time where banderlog like spiders on the Maidan hellishly bite among themselves free Europeans in a democratic and civilized way solve the conflict.

      2. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul April 30 2014 15: 58
        +1
        that torchlight procession
        Damn, not attentiveness, at first I read that the procession is fecal ... lol
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    2. pahom54
      pahom54 April 30 2014 11: 32
      +2
      for domokl
      Here, finally, someone essentially spoke out ... Now, TWO to the main tasks - 1) Urgently solve the issue of water and electricity supply to Crimea NOW, and not tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, and even more so in the following years; 2) As domokl correctly proposes, stop snotting and chewing on any derm, look back, you must step not only on your legs, but also on your coca, and if necessary, then on the throat of not only the current suburban junta, but to her instigators.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 30 2014 16: 22
        +2
        Quote: pahom54
        Urgently address the issue of water and electricity supply in Crimea NOW,

        "There are no problems with energy supply in Crimea - Russia brought in all the backup installations purchased for Sochi and gathering dust in warehouses in case of war. And gas in Crimea is like shoe polish at a shoe polish factory. In a year, a station will be built that will run on gas, and the question is with power supply will disappear automatically. " http://www.versii.com/news/302616/
    3. delfinN
      delfinN April 30 2014 13: 34
      +2
      Everyone was waiting for someone to touch on this topic. So why does the Kremlin still make money on our gas Kuyevo junta? Your thoughts, colleagues.
  4. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 30 2014 08: 42
    +4
    A gas discount will be required in exchange for water. Moreover, as always, unreasonable
    1. Flinky
      Flinky April 30 2014 09: 03
      +5
      Will be smoked.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 30 2014 09: 27
        +6
        Quote: Flinky
        Will be smoked.


        Let me rephrase you:

        - jump over! laughing
        1. omsbon
          omsbon April 30 2014 14: 19
          +1
          Quote: Karlsonn
          - jump over!


          Hi Aleksey!
          But what do you jump like? Oh spoken!
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 30 2014 17: 42
            +2
            Quote: omsbon
            Hi Aleksey!
            But what do you jump like? Oh spoken!


            Greetings, Andrew!
            So neither sow nor plow, a mustache jump like they said ...
            sho of them - said taken, acre analyzes? request
            1. old man 72
              old man 72 1 May 2014 02: 16
              0
              And even then the analyzes are draeney (bad)!
    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 30 2014 09: 42
      +11
      .... No discount !!!! We will tolerate and live ... But THESE, so that they bend faster !!!!
  5. arkady149
    arkady149 April 30 2014 08: 44
    +2
    ... the implementation of these projects ... should not give rise to forget about the crime that the Maidan assembly in the government of Ukraine commits in relation to the peoples of Crimea.
    History will put everything in its place. Ukrainians will ask Svidomites for the split of the nation.
    1. mike_z
      mike_z April 30 2014 09: 48
      +10
      Quote: arkady149
      Ukrainians will ask Svidomites for the split of the nation.

      Yes, they won’t ask a fig. There really is no one to ask. Almost everything is tied and washed! What we are shown - the South-East rose ... but did not rise. 5000 rabid in the millionth Kharkiv beat 300 Spartans once or twice! Fuck! And where were the rest of the Spartans? Exactly. We have no brothers or friends there, they are all smeared with one myrrh. Some shout "Fat dropped!", Others sit in burrows. No Ukrainian people will ask anything from anyone! There are no honest Ukrainians who would say: “Yes, Crimea is a room we accidentally got in a communal apartment. The owner was ill for a long time, was absent, but we lived in his room for the time being. Now the owner has recovered and LEGALLY occupied his living space.” M. b. Am I wrong and there are such people in Ukraine? At least in the South-East? Give an example, I'll be glad. And I will change my mind when the ENTIRE Donbass rises! All! And the ENTIRE South-East will unite. There will be no idiotic regional "republics" (soon every village will begin to declare itself a republic), but a United South-Eastern Republic of Ukraine will be created. Then I will say that there is a Ukrainian people who can ask something from someone. In the meantime, let them live as they want. If only they didn’t throw mud on Russia, it’s already sick of it ..
      1. zzz
        zzz April 30 2014 10: 22
        +1
        Quote: mike_z
        Then I’ll say that there are Ukrainian people,


        And to whom do you want to say this? To myself?
        1. mike_z
          mike_z 2 May 2014 10: 34
          0
          Quote: zzz
          And to whom do you want to say this? To myself?


          Yes, first of all to myself. It is very important to be in harmony with yourself. I always KNEW, i.e. I told myself that we have friendship with Ukraine forever! And now... ??? All the sadness is that you have to give up on friends. The rest is of little concern.
      2. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. April 30 2014 10: 25
        +3
        Quote: mike_z
        If only dirt was not brought down on Russia, otherwise it would make you sick of it ..

        I completely agree with your comment.
        hi
        Quote: mike_z
        Some shout "Fat dropped!", Others sit in burrows.

        good
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      4. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 30 2014 12: 08
        +6
        Quote: mike_z
        We have no brothers or friends there, they are all smeared with one myrrh. Some shout "Fat dropped!", Others sit in burrows. No Ukrainian people will ask anything from anyone! There are no honest Ukrainians


        Quote: mike_z
        Mb am I mistaken and in Ukraine there are such people? At least in the Southeast? Give an example, I will be glad. And I will change my mind when the WHOLE Donbass rises!


        Quote: mike_z
        Then I’ll say that there are Ukrainian people who can ask something from someone. In the meantime, let them live as they want.


        I tried yesterday with two comrades like you mike_z arguing how it turned out to be useless.
        We, the Russians living in Ukraine, have no reason and no reason to prove to you, as shown by the practice of people like you - mike_z , do not convince.
        Your opinion and those like you are not critical for us.
        We are fighting, you are broadcasting, teaching and demanding proof and decisive (as it seems to you) actions from a mentor tone from Russia safe from rabid Nazis.

        Are you comfortable there? Fascists will not break into your apartment?
        Will veterans in your city 9 be celebrating May quietly?

        If - yes, I personally am for you - glad.

        But personally you, and people like you, I will no longer convince you - there is no desire.

        Greetings from pre-holiday Kiev, with all the respect Karlsonn.

        Well, for those who care about yesterday’s evening summary:
        SLAVYANSK, April 29. Immediately five settlements of the Donetsk region of Ukraine, located along the highway from Donetsk to Lugansk, raised the flags of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic".
        If a few days ago the black-blue-red flag of the "DPR" was only on the city executive committee of Khartsyzsk (population 102 thousand), now the flags of the "DPR" appeared on the administrative buildings of most settlements along this road: in Shakhtersk (regional center with the population 58 thousand people), Torez (80 thousand), Snezhnoye (60 thousand), as well as in the villages - Gornoye and Krasny Luch (Miners' district).
        On the building of the Torez City Executive Committee, the DPR flag is adjacent to the Ukrainian flag. They explain here that before the May 11 referendum, while the people have not yet decided on their choice, both flags will hang. And on the barricade on the highway between Snezhnoye and Krasnaya Luch there are flags of the "DPR", Ukraine and Russia.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt April 30 2014 13: 00
          +2
          Quote: Karlsonn
          We are fighting, you are broadcasting, teaching and demanding proof and decisive (as it seems to you) actions from a mentor tone from Russia safe from rabid Nazis.


          Those who fight are well done!
          Actually its own ethnic identity and the ability to live without repression on ethnic grounds is the right and duty of a person, a citizen.

          But ... KVM, many of the law-enforcers, Maydanovites, even just Svidomites - Russians are at least in terms of thinking, and in many ways also of nationality.
          Those. the struggle is more complicated - there are Russians (or Russian-speaking Ukrainians, which are essentially the same Russians) on both sides, who will be cut among themselves. Those. this is in its purest form a new Russian civil war.
          Well, yes, Svidomo Russian allies are Galitsai and ukrofashi / ukronatsi
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 30 2014 13: 45
            +4
            Quote: cdrt
            Those. the struggle is more complicated - there are Russians (or Russian-speaking Ukrainians, which are essentially the same Russians) on both sides, who will be cut among themselves. Those. this is in its purest form a new Russian civil war.
            Well, yes, Svidomo Russian allies are Galitsai and ukrofashi / ukronatsi


            I’ve been saying for a long time:
            - what is happening now is a civil war and one of the most pragmatic ways out of this is to spend amorous expense in different directions like Czechoslovakia.
        2. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 April 30 2014 13: 18
          +2
          You are 100% right. Do not pay attention to people very far from your problems. Until they feel themselves, they will not understand.
        3. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 30 2014 13: 27
          +2
          Karlsonn I am entirely on your side, but in that:
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Are you comfortable there? Fascists will not break into your apartment?
          Will veterans in your city 9 be celebrating May quietly?

          Is mike_z to blame for you? Or were they born and developed before your eyes?
          Well, personally, I would go with the veteran to the square and be what it will be! But didn’t it seem to occur to you? Are you just glad for us that we have it?
          Thanks for the shared joy! Come and celebrate together!
          1. badger1974
            badger1974 April 30 2014 15: 22
            +1
            you’re completely mistaken, it’s not enough to go to some place, you have to spend days and nights, and more than one day, but believe me, it’s difficult, you need the support of your relatives and people like you, that is, a reliable rear, it’s almost a month of hard work throughout the Crimea, the Tatars even already create positions, but do you have Tatars? Or something different? we are already with you, you just don’t notice sitting on w ... e
            1. dmitriygorshkov
              dmitriygorshkov April 30 2014 16: 18
              +1
              Quote: badger1974
              completely mistaken

              Are you this to me or something? I did not drink with you, and I would not.
              What am I mistaken in that your veterans do not find support from you? What days? When you get into a conversation you need to at least understand what it is about! Judging by your delirium you are generally drunk, and God forbid that I was right, otherwise I’m scared for your condition!
              1. badger1974
                badger1974 April 30 2014 18: 51
                0
                Of course you didn’t drink, and you’re unlikely to drink, and firstly not in conversation but in the text of the comment, and secondly, Crimea is primarily a person, and a person who wanted 20 years to use Crimea as part of Russia, and the same. ... poo didn’t sit down, but assess your condition yourself, though you don’t have much to appreciate
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn April 30 2014 17: 51
            +1
            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            Is mike_z to blame for you?


            I didn’t write that he was guilty, I wrote that he would not personally prove to anyone, nor what, personally to us - the Russians did not rest against his personal opinion.

            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            Here, personally, I would go with the veteran to the square and whatever happens!


            We organize a holiday for veterans of our region: a concert, gifts, camping cuisine, front-line hundred grams, a program like thanks from the smallest, and all that (including the safety of veterans during the holiday).
            Unfortunately, the forces are still in the area, the scale of the city is still very far away.

            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            Didn’t it seem to occur to you? Are you just glad for us that we have it?


            What is this for?

            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            Thanks for the shared joy! Come and celebrate together!


            Thank you for the invitation, if possible. hi
        4. Fornit
          Fornit April 30 2014 16: 05
          +1
          It’s bad that the flag of Russia doesn’t have this right! Here Crimea - NOW - has ...
        5. mike_z
          mike_z 2 May 2014 10: 40
          0
          Alex, forgive me ... it’s boiling. I really do not think that you do not have people who are truly honest with themselves and our common history. But when only 300 people came out in Kharkov, I felt very sad. When not in the west, but in the southeast, Bendera march marching very sad. I want to believe you. Fair! Michael call me. You and your like-minded people - with the Victory Day!
      5. alexandr.krupnov
        alexandr.krupnov April 30 2014 12: 32
        0
        I agree. In my opinion, both the Euromaidanists and the federalists want to eat the fish and climb. The Euromaidanists want everything from the Western world, and whatever they get for it, while the federalists are waiting for "free of charge" help from Russia.
        Hello to you, Ukrainians. Even the siblings sooner or later cease to provide assistance if the brother and yours and ours.
      6. cdrt
        cdrt April 30 2014 12: 55
        +4
        Quote: mike_z
        Yes, they won’t ask a damn thing. There really is no one to ask. Almost everything is tied and washed!


        I agree.
        Zapadentsy now has nothing to do with it.
        More precisely, they are, like illiterate Selyuki, a strike force.
        No more.
        But the center of the entire current movement is Kiev, Kharkov, Poltava Russians and Jews.
        Those. people painfully mastering the artificial mov for them, but determined to build anti-Russia.
        And nobody will ask anything from them - for the separation is not territorial, not ethnic, not even generational.
        And so the anti-Russia project will exist, I hope that’s just without SEI.
        These are Russians, very trying to stop being Russian.
      7. Setrac
        Setrac April 30 2014 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: mike_z
        they are all one ointment myrrh

        The relevant question is, what world are you smeared with?
        1. Fornit
          Fornit April 30 2014 16: 09
          +2
          Quote: Setrac
          The relevant question is, what world are you smeared with?

          Absolutely inappropriate ... They don’t smear the world - they live in it. And they smear - the myrrh just ... At consecration.
      8. Fornit
        Fornit April 30 2014 16: 02
        +2
        Great, Mikhail! Plus ... And it is also brutally angry that our flags are hung everywhere. No, that the flags of the USSR, or the Russian ones - that's the reason for the media to shout "Russia is already there!" Who will understand there ...
        1. mike_z
          mike_z 2 May 2014 10: 45
          0
          Yes, that doesn't seem right to me either. Both ourselves and us are being substituted with our flags. There is a flag of the Donetsk Republic, so it needs to be raised, in my opinion.
  6. anip
    anip April 30 2014 08: 48
    +5
    And what, they act on the principle: "my water, what I want, I do it." It would be time for Russia to act on a similar principle: "My gas and oil, whatever I want, I do what I want, I set this price, you don't pay on time - come on, goodbye."
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 30 2014 13: 45
      +3
      Quote: anip
      And what, they act on the principle: "my water, what I want, I do it."

      You look at the map! What is "my water"? Before entering the territory of Dill, the Dnieper begins with us, and flows through Belarus. What is their water from ???
      We must seriously think about river diversion, since such a booze has gone!
      Someone say environmental problems? Shale gas production will begin now, that's where the ecology will be!
      By the way, the technology of its (shale gas) production involves radioactive contamination of a huge amount of water!
  7. Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. April 30 2014 08: 50
    +6
    In the framework of the article, it would be possible to mention that the construction of the North Crimean Canal, as well as the irrigation of the Crimean lands, became REASON transfer of Crimea to Ukraine. Tales about Khrushchev's "gifts" are ridiculous.

    "September 21, 1951, in the central newspaper of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union “Pravda”, a resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR “On the Construction of the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Station on the Dnieper River, the South-Ukrainian and North-Crimean Canals and on Irrigation of the Lands of Southern Ukraine and Northern Crimea».
    But the question arose: “And who will manage the construction of this largest waterway in Europe to supply the Dnieper with Dnieper water?”
    As the Soviet economy grew, the number of line ministries and intersectoral departments multiplied, which by the mid-1950s led to the issue of its manageability.
    Ministries in the USSR were divided into all-Union (led the industry entrusted to them throughout the USSR) and Union-Republican (led the relevant branches on the territory of the Union Republic). But even those projects that were in the Union subordination were directly managed by the ministries of those republics on whose territory these facilities were built.
    While design and exploration work was ongoing, this issue was not acute, but by 1954 a project was prepared for the construction of the first stage of the waterway. This required the involvement of not only tens of thousands of workers, but also equipment: graders, dredgers, road machines, walking excavators. Construction must be provided with cable, slate, communication, electricity, finally. Simultaneously with the North Crimean Canal, it was decided to build a solid and modern asphalt highway, parallel to the canal.
    Everything was clear with the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Station and the South Ukrainian Canal - a new organization, Ukrvodostroy, was created, which was under the operational subordination of the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR. In addition, there was Dneprostroy in the Ukrainian SSR, which in the 1927-1932 years built the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station.
    And who will build the North Crimean Canal? In the RSFSR there was a similar organization to Dneprostroy - Dalstroy, which built the Volga-Don Canal. But Dalstroy was subordinate to the NKVD, and the Volga-Don Canal was built by convicts.
    In order for the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR to manage an object being built on the territory of the RSFSR - this did not happen in Soviet history (as well as vice versa, however). But bringing the construction of the North Crimean Canal to the Crimean border, and then transferring its construction to the operational management of the RSFSR Council of Ministers is simply stupid.
    In addition, the problem of managing the enclave of the RSFSR from Moscow had existed even before that, and it was obvious that it was much more convenient to govern the Crimean region from Kiev. It was then that Khrushchev came up with the idea to solve all administrative and technical issues at once, and to subordinate the Crimean region to the administrative union unit to which it is closer. "

    And where is the logic more? In the "gift" or in the pragmatics of the transfer of territory.
    Who then could have guessed about the secession of Ukraine? Only crazy.

    Auto RU hi
    We can also say that the canal is now in a deplorable state, it has not been repaired for 20 years. Using the same artesian wells, if they are mothballed, will help (partially) for 2-3 years, then they will be salted with sea water, which has already happened.
    I sincerely wish to solve the problem of water supply.
    Now we are not the USSR ... Will we be able to ...
    1. nikcris
      nikcris April 30 2014 10: 35
      0
      And I, in the Russian administration, built factories in Kazakhstan, and did not dig ditches, but Kazakhstan was not transferred to Russia on this occasion.
      Your arguments-Maidan invention. Continue to listen to Kiev radio.
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. April 30 2014 14: 02
        0
        Quote: nikcris
        Your arguments - Maidan invention

        Providing you with a service, such as an answer, I am writing - earlier I was only a "white ribbon", you promoted me to "mayDAUNA". laughing
        Amused. wink
        Upcoming holidays.
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  8. air wolf
    air wolf April 30 2014 08: 51
    +4
    With water in Crimea, this is a problem of problems, I am familiar, because My father and mother live there, so ten years ago we drilled a well of 50 m in the village of 10 out of 100 houses, whoever is with a borehole is "chicken-kul", there is no more water. Only imported. The problem needs to be solved only globally or to drill a lot of wells or to desalinate sea water.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 30 2014 09: 45
      +3
      ... Desalinate is expensive ... It is necessary to build a water pipe from the Kuban and switch to drip irrigation, rather than pouring it all over ....
      1. cdrt
        cdrt April 30 2014 13: 02
        +4
        Quote: aleks 62
        ... Desalinate is expensive ... It is necessary to build a water pipe from the Kuban and switch to drip irrigation, rather than pouring it all over ....


        If Israel was able to create flourishing agriculture, then in the much more prosperous Crimea - God himself ordered
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 30 2014 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: cdrt
          If Israel was able to create flourishing agriculture, then in the much more prosperous Crimea - God himself ordered

          I already wrote earlier. if Russia had invested as much money and resources as it had invested in Israel, we would already have thriving agriculture on Alpha Centauri.
  9. Garrin
    Garrin April 30 2014 08: 58
    +6
    What a racket these impostors are. What kind of pumps are there? No, of course there are pumps in some places, but the channel is empty. The gray strip along the banks and at the gateway is his working level.
    1. Estet59
      Estet59 April 30 2014 10: 50
      0
      Organize a "directed lightning discharge" to this object. And that's it!
    2. Bolshev
      Bolshev April 30 2014 12: 13
      -17%
      Crimea itself does not pump water - pumps on their territory.
      http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/282933/anonymous_priveli_dokazatelstva_togo_chto
      _vodu_v_krym_perekryla_rossiya_chtoby_krymchane_rugali_ukraintsev
      It's just that in Crimea, there is a redistribution of land in favor of the Caucasians and it is necessary to drive farmers from the fields according to the type of English "fencing" - that is, the pumps are standing ... as farmers go bankrupt - they will turn it on. The Tatars in Crimea immediately understood what the addition of the Chechen business, the Vostok battalion and Kadyrov's Friendship trains under the cover of the state meant, and the Russians rejoice at the flag and anthem, not thinking who would become the owner.
      In addition, water is a good solvent for both Pervitin and Bromine, and whoever feeds it controls the tone of the population and this is more important for politics than fields.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt April 30 2014 13: 04
        +2
        Quote: Bolshov
        In addition, water is a good solvent for both Pervitin and Bromine, and whoever feeds it controls the tone of the population and this is more important for politics than fields.


        Can I link to ukroSMI source? laughing
        Just wondering:
        1. Who and where is the methamphetamine for the entire population stocked
        2. And at the same time, the effects of methamphetamine with bromine are simultaneously interesting. laughing
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic April 30 2014 13: 16
          +1
          They gave you a link to Exceptionally Wrong Source (tm) - http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/282933/anonymous_priveli_dokazatelstva_togo_chto

          _vodu_v_krym_perekryla_rossiya_chtoby_krymchane_rugali_ukraintsev


          What else do you want, little merry ??? (c) "Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession"

          wassat
      2. Setrac
        Setrac April 30 2014 13: 42
        +1
        Quote: Bolshov
        In addition, water is a good solvent for both Pervitin and Bromine, and whoever feeds it controls the tone of the population and this is more important for politics than fields.

        What kind of nonsense? No water was used from the canal for drinking, so you can shove Brom and Pervitin wherever you wish.
      3. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn April 30 2014 14: 13
        +2
        Quote: Bolshov
        It's just that in Crimea, there is a redistribution of land in favor of the Caucasians and it is necessary to drive farmers from the fields according to the type of English "fencing" - that is, the pumps are standing ... as farmers go bankrupt - they will turn it on. The Tatars in Crimea immediately understood what the addition of the Chechen business, the Vostok battalion and Kadyrov's Friendship trains under the cover of the state meant, and the Russians rejoice at the flag and anthem, not thinking who would become the owner.


        Finally, we got to the Maidan!
        Hello, no respectable Svidomo! hi
        How is your addict site censor.net?
        How is it in the cesspool that is hit by a dust bag?

        If any of the comrades do not know the site - http://censor.net.ua/
        is the most Russophobian Ukrainian site, the advertising of this site was painted the entire Maidan, it was from him that Bandera and Russophobian snowstorms started and continue to be driven.
        It is on such sites that Americans spend money.
        If anyone has a strong stomach and nerves (I myself run after a basin every time I see a link to this site), I can go and see for myself.

        Bolshev I wang you three skulls on your shoulders.

  10. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov April 30 2014 09: 04
    +3
    The problem of water will be solved, by wells, or, for example, by the bottom of the water supply from Krasnodar! And Ukraine will remain with an unprofitable canal (besides the Crimea there are many who take it, but these consumers will be able to pay for its service!) And lost profits, and a lot unemployed!
    In general, AGAIN DOWN !!
  11. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 30 2014 09: 09
    +3
    Desalination technologies work excellently in the UAE, for example. They have a desert there, no water. and nothing adapted. Whoever wants to do is seek opportunities; who does not want excuses. I believe that in Crimea this problem will soon be resolved. Although the current crop there, of course, Tryndets.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 30 2014 09: 47
      +3
      .... In the UAE, they don’t pour water, there is drip irrigation everywhere ...
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 April 30 2014 18: 55
        0
        it happens that the English do not clean their bricks with a brick, the current ma often engleses the spirit more often
  12. made13
    made13 April 30 2014 09: 14
    +5
    None of the hoop-hovers on the Internet and social networks are outraged by the blackout. Brothers are bad.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall April 30 2014 11: 18
      +5
      Quote: made13
      None of the hoop-hovers on the Internet and social networks are outraged by the blackout. Brothers are bad.

      Strange you ... in fact, Crimean water is the same information battle of the Russian Federation and Ukraine (info-wars) as Crimea itself and SE.
      And here for Kiev itself it is also necessary to convince its that it is doing right and right. That is, it gives water, and Crimea itself either does not want or is lying. Although some sources radically boost the information so that the oaths die there from drought (but they are hardly from the general line of the party - which needs to be reassured, but there is someone - only in Odessa, Crimean dofig and every day on the phones, and throughout SE they how many relatives and residents are registered)
      http://glav.su/forum/4-politics/38-ukraine-russia-relationships/message/2298827/

      #msg2298827
      Quote from the forum
      Just a friend from the Crimea wrote to me
      Quote:
      The water in the canal has gone today. Just drove by. Already% 80 filled
      What is it for?? Is tea over?
      just from fotik


      Opinion of the following
      He made inquiries at the local Ministry of Emergencies regarding water in the Crimean Canal. Back in March.
      They answered me the following:
      1. They cannot open water in spring. Absolutely. In this case, they themselves will be flooded very qualitatively.
      Precedents have been repeatedly. Both during the USSR and during the independence. All interested parties remember them well.
      2. The channel is in very poor condition. Strongly silted. Not only in the Crimean territory, but also in the Kherson region. Really passes about a quarter of the projected amount of water.
      3. In the current state, the canal fully provides agriculture of the Crimea. Because many lands, orchards and vineyards are abandoned and not cultivated. If you restore agriculture to the Soviet level, you need to restore the channel capacity to the design one.
      My forecast (as an individual):
      This year everything will be as it was. They opened the water, it’s enough for this season.
      Ours will begin to restore the canal on its territory and actively urge Ukrainians to do so.
      You can click on them in so many ways.
      As an extreme argument - the capture of a water intake site on the Dnieper.
      Tanks through Perekop do not need to be launched for this. Airborne (helicopter) landing and equipment of a small bridgehead in the area of ​​water intake.
      About 85 km from the contact line.
      Helicopter supply is not particularly difficult.
      Shoot down our turntables will not. Threatened by an instant combined arms operation.
      We have enough forces there.
      Somewhere in the middle, my opinion is that the vologododomor is meaningless in the full sense of (our souls) times. Means for receiving discounts and concessions (in cases with the supply of water) two.
      It should be borne in mind that Crimea is a major buyer of Ukrainian goods and mineral water juices and other things in the summer season - and now, apparently, the Russian Federation has closed this market (which is fundamentally wrong, of course --- Russian goods are many times more expensive)
      In short, in the Crimea, it is necessary to re-arrange ka on gas and the entire RF / UA relations. While there is no one, no reason (neither the Russian Federation nor Ukraine is simply uninteresting), it is profitable to play war games, while convincing their friends and strangers that they are both doing the right thing. That is, the info war and shouting at VO that only Ukrainians are to blame is not worth it. Kherson region, for example, itself feeds on this water - then the entire water-famine affects it. You can’t completely block it - part of it will still fall in any case to Crimea.
      In short - Ukraine and the Russian Federation need to re-create everything, agreements, relations - and everything is spoiled ... but it's a pity.
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 April 30 2014 12: 45
        +1
        such that you printed it can only be printed by a person not deepened in the irrigation details of the north of Crimea, that is, the steppes, and especially by the history of the Crimea steppes, up to the Severokrymsky channel in our steppes, except salt marshes typical of the seizure, there was nothing, but then after the construction there was flooding, and corrected this is done by partial concreting under chemical film, and drainage, so that they do not drink about flooding, flooding happens from theft in housing and communal services, instead of cleaning the drainage systems, the money was simply spent on work that wasn’t worth a dime, believe me, I live in Nizhnegorsk, and I know why the pound is dashing and where the pound comes from, and the water will be, another thing, KHERSON IN A BIG PR ...
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 30 2014 16: 32
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        In short - Ukraine and the Russian Federation need to re-create everything, agreements, relations - and everything is spoiled ... but it's a pity.

        Well, Ukraine is already scribbling ... suits! True, everything was written off from the Georgian, and that’s the problem! wassat

        "... the persons responsible for the" compensation project ", according to rumors, took as a basis and as a model ... Georgia's claims against Russia. Maybe because the Americans helped prepare them at one time. And now they are our most important strategic advisers on all issues that have firmly established themselves in the SBU, GPU and CMU.

        The Georgian lawsuit really deserves attention, since its essence was the accusation of Russia in "the planned and deliberate occupation of the territories of an independent state." By the way, in support of the litigation, Georgians, like us, adopted legislation on the occupied territories. "
    2. cdrt
      cdrt April 30 2014 13: 06
      0
      Quote: made13
      None of the hoop-hovers on the Internet and social networks are outraged by the blackout. Brothers are bad.


      No, they are not indignant.
      They rejoice and look forward to how the Crimeans harvest will die.
  13. rezident
    rezident April 30 2014 09: 16
    -33%
    What do you want. First, they were taken away, then they also required to supply the selected water. In place of Ukrainians absolutely right step.
    1. GDP
      GDP April 30 2014 09: 44
      +6
      What do you want. First, they were taken away, then they also required to supply the selected water. In place of Ukrainians absolutely right step.

      Not taken away, but returned ...
      And we, unlike Ukrainians, who either do not pay for gas, or steal, for water - we pay ....
      And if the Ukrainians so hate the Crimeans, and do not consider them their citizens, then let Crimea officially be recognized as the territory of Russia, which it essentially is ...
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      2. rezident
        rezident April 30 2014 13: 01
        -15%
        I will give you a thousand examples that from St. Petersburg to the Yenisei, the originally Finnish land that must be returned to the owner and so on. And Crimea, judging by this, can finally be Turkish-Tatar so let's return it to the Turks.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 30 2014 13: 47
          +2
          Quote: rezident
          I will give you a thousand examples that from St. Petersburg to the Yenisei, the originally Finnish land that must be returned to the owner and so on.

          These are your inventions, the owner here is Russia, not Finland, which exists without a year - a week.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 30 2014 14: 21
          +1
          Quote: rezident
          And Crimea, judging by this, can finally be Turkish-Tatar so let's return it to the Turks.


          It’s easier to give to the Turks, more sense.
        3. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 30 2014 16: 15
          +2
          so let's refund
          Turn your attention to America, let them return it to the Indians. Annoy the State Department with your comments, they will appreciate your humor. good
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    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 30 2014 09: 49
      +17
      .... Well, in the first place they didn’t take it away, but we left ... Secondly, you can’t take away what doesn’t belong to you ... And as for the supply, you pay the darling (water) for it in full, and do not rub it like thieves gas ...
      1. Stone
        Stone April 30 2014 15: 13
        +2
        And it’s not the Bandera people who dug the channel, and not the money of the EU and the USA, but the Soviet people with Soviet money, and Russia is the successor of the USSR, which means the entire Russian channel. Logics!!! smile
    3. tolancop
      tolancop April 30 2014 10: 08
      +3
      Then what the hell howling about the price of gas supplied.
      If you didn’t pay at a discounted price, violating the agreement, you will receive the full contract price. And prepayment. And the requirement to pay fines for the shortfall (according to the contracts). In place of Russia, the absolutely right step.
    4. Russ69
      Russ69 April 30 2014 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: rezident
      What do you want. First, they were taken away, then they also required to supply the selected water. In place of Ukrainians absolutely right step.

      Yeah, and at the same time their farmers in the Kherson region were dehydrated. Let them and theirs fall under the distribution, but we will harm the pits. Yes, and there is so much money in an independent one, that it’s better to merge stupidly into the sea ...
    5. andj61
      andj61 April 30 2014 12: 31
      0
      Quote: rezident
      What do you want. First, they were taken away, then they also required to supply the selected water. In place of Ukrainians absolutely right step.


      Not that the cow itself died, but the trouble is that the neighbor’s healthy!
    6. badger1974
      badger1974 April 30 2014 12: 55
      +2
      Well, then, it would be absolutely right for Russia not to lend fuel for nuclear power plants in the outskirts, but would the western standards for VVR-500 and 1000 work? and even if they come up with a loan? and if they come up and lend "tired" fuel, they will be credited? and if they do it? in my opinion, in the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, on the banks of the Pripyat river in the Dnieper, so we do not need Dnieper water for x, we need dosimeters in the Crimea so that we can check Kherson cavities and tomatoes
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 30 2014 13: 48
        +2
        Quote: badger1974
        interestingly and western standards for VVR-500 and 1000 fit?

        Not suitable, there have already been attempts in Eastern Europe, as a result - oblomingo.
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 April 30 2014 14: 12
          +1
          Then the second fundamental question is why Rosatom maintains air communication with the Bulgarian and Czech NPPs in replacing fuel rods? what is it, bypassing some unacceptable and controlled by the west territories, what is the current outskirts? or all are destruction, which should destabilize the outskirts? my Crimea is an exception, I am waiting for a message from you on this issue, deliberately glad that you responded to this comment about the NPP
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 30 2014 15: 20
            +2
            Quote: badger1974
            Then the second fundamental question is why Rosatom maintains air communication with the Bulgarian and Czech NPPs in replacing fuel rods?

            Well, so confiscated so necessary component of Ukraine Bandera so what? War to go to Ukraine? There is no trust in the current government in Kiev.
            I would like to draw your attention to the fact that earlier Ukrainians have already talked about the need to switch from gas to electricity, citing the low price of electricity, however, what will happen when nuclear power plants become? How much will electricity cost in Ukraine?
            1. badger1974
              badger1974 1 May 2014 00: 04
              0
              Well, if, through Crimea, air transportation of fuel rods for European Union NPPs bypassing the outskirts, it means eurococks do not trust Eurocaps in Russia in the right direction
    7. cdrt
      cdrt April 30 2014 13: 09
      +1
      Quote: rezident
      What do you want. First, they were taken away, then they also required to supply the selected water. In place of Ukrainians absolutely right step.


      Well ... and in the place of the Russians - the same sure step - to bomb for example the gateways on the channel.
      We teach history - the Middle East, years 1964-1965.
      Well ... violation of the right to life - as if no one strokes the head.
    8. Setrac
      Setrac April 30 2014 13: 45
      0
      Quote: rezident
      What do you want. First, they were taken away, then they also required to supply the selected water. In place of Ukrainians absolutely right step.

      But we didn’t turn off the gas to them.
    9. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 30 2014 14: 18
      +1
      Quote: rezident
      What do you want. First, they were taken away, then they also required to supply the selected water.


      Have you started soft and sharp confusion for a long time?
      Who needs to stock?
      Why are you writing provocative nonsense?

      They don’t need water, they pay money for it according to the contracts, and the Kiev authorities unilaterally simply violated them.
  14. mentor69
    mentor69 April 30 2014 09: 21
    +4
    So I want to say acting Kiyevskaya, CHANGE THE GRASS! That they smoke there, the actions and actions are obviously not friends with logic. As they say, Russians know how to create problems, but they know how to solve them, and the solution will obviously not please Kiev .
  15. Strashila
    Strashila April 30 2014 09: 44
    +2
    What can I say ... the junta, by its actions, recognized the de facto independence of the Crimea ... let's rejoice.
    We will rejoice ... we were not the first to start ... we are polite people ...
  16. mamont5
    mamont5 April 30 2014 09: 52
    +2
    Hem all the facts and daddy. We then get it on the scaffold and read it for what ...
  17. free
    free April 30 2014 09: 52
    0
    scum like Kiev temporary workers still need to look!
  18. LM66
    LM66 April 30 2014 09: 57
    +2
    I see only one exit, block the Dnieper in the Smolensk area smile
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 30 2014 12: 34
      0
      Quote: LM66
      I see only one exit, block the Dnieper in the Smolensk area smile


      Then in the Gomel region. And the Desna, from which Kiev is supplied with water, is also driven into the swamps and not allowed to enter Ukraine.
      It’s just like in that famous joke: I won’t eat it, so I bite it. We definitely need to agree.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt April 30 2014 13: 11
      0
      Quote: LM66
      I see only one exit, block the Dnieper in the Smolensk area smile


      But you can really conceive a project for turning the Dnieper laughing
      Long, expensive, but ... such a good threat.
  19. jekasimf
    jekasimf April 30 2014 09: 57
    +1
    Once again they freeze their ears, to spite Putin. Instead of having money for falling from the sky, they decided to drink everything themselves.
    The flag, they’re black-and-white in .... dupu. Let's break through.
  20. nstarinsky
    nstarinsky April 30 2014 10: 01
    +12
    A little to the side. About a month ago on the Canadian radio CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation) repeated the broadcast of a year ago about the Holodomor in Ukraine. I missed the original program because I was busy, and I found the replay while driving a car. What I heard nearly cost me the accident. Earlier, a Canadian commentator, whom I respect, offered us interviews with several residents of Ukraine. The first was a grandmother - God's dandelion - "miraculously" (according to the commentator) who survived the terrible famine organized by the father of all nations. Clear pepper, grandmother broadcast her memoirs not in English, but in her native language. What is the point? And the fact that the gallant Canadian journalist began his presentation with the fact that they say that the Ukrainians suffered from the Soviets. Well, then the grandma's voice was used in the background. Grandma, having said two words in broken Ukrainian, immediately switched to Russian (though it is still slightly distorted - the village is the same). The Canadian ear was somehow up to the beetle, what language it was - they said Ukrainian, so it is so. So the grandmother with lamentations talks about how the dead were buried. Surely it’s true, as she spoke with feeling. And then she [in Russian) says that their neighbors, too, ALL died, including small children. Well, here the commentator (through an interpreter) asks - how is it, they say, they all, and that means you miraculously survived. And then the grandmother just like that - and we hid the potatoes well. They ate it. That is, the neighbors otduplilis, and these kulak muzzles did not share potatoes with their beloved neighbors, they let the little children die of hunger! And at this time I hear the translator in a trance asks the grandmother. Looks like he was stunned! This part of her recognition by me no longer respected commentator immediately skips! Well, here the "Ukrainian" grandmother was left with God aside and began a conversation with some idiot from Western Ukraine, who (not a fig for himself !!!) created a private museum of the Holodomor and Soviet occupation. Here the "hero" soaks up the following - when they say at the end of 1944 the Soviet Army came to his village, they say, in front of his eyes, stabbed his mother with bayonets. Well, then I lost control of the car. At this time, the Soviet Army has long passed Western Ukraine and history, damn it, you need to know. But who the hell is in the country of Canada at the expense of who and where laid their lives in the fight against the Nazis! I think on that radio night the tearful and gullible Canadians swallowed this Goebel's pill on both cheeks ... So the shutdown of the Crimean water flows from the same shell as the causes of the Holodomor in the eyes of some Svidomo and independent people. I was ashamed. My grandfathers - Ukrainian and Russian - mowed down the Nazi bastard. One of the grandfathers did not return from the war. It's a pity they didn't finish off the local ...
    1. cdrt
      cdrt April 30 2014 13: 16
      0
      Quote: nstarinsky
      And here the grandmother is just like that - and we hid the potatoes well. They ate it. That is, the neighbors got stuck, and these kulak faces didn’t share potatoes with their beloved neighbors, they let small children die of hunger! AND


      Hmm ... and you read the real diaries of the blockade, written in 1941-43.
      Recently, a couple of books came out.

      There were many more cruel examples.
      A person in conditions of hunger very quickly returns to the animal state.

      Severe hunger brought to the point that mothers did not feed the children, they themselves survived, and the children died.

      Those who have not experienced this do not have the right to judge these unfortunates.
      1. Zauralec
        Zauralec April 30 2014 18: 53
        +1
        So the famine came about because of these very Svidomo kulaks, for not wanting to hand over grain to the country at the proposed price, they stupidly buried it in the ground, and there arose hunger.
      2. nstarinsky
        nstarinsky April 30 2014 18: 58
        +1
        I agree - I have no right to divide the sufferers into high moral and low. But there are much (!) More examples (in my father’s family - so as not to be unfounded) when people in difficult conditions try to give a chance to their children. And this is the meaning of what I said. Moreover, if the Canadian radio station added from itself what you said, and I would stretch out my condolences. But the point here is that such a terrible disaster for any nation at the behest of former President Yushchenko has become a weapon in the most dirty political fuss in the territories of the former USSR. History can be rewritten, but not changed.
  21. Turkir
    Turkir April 30 2014 10: 02
    +3
    Scum is scum.
    12 billion for gas, plus 3 billion tranches transferred to Yanuku equals $ 15 billion.
    Let them return the money.
    Gas must be blocked by everyone, for a week, let Europe and the United States repay the debts of Ukraine.
    Otherwise, take the whole of New Russia.
  22. Djozz
    Djozz April 30 2014 10: 03
    +4
    The city of Shevchenko, in the Caspian Sea, fully uses desalination plants, for all needs!
    1. nikcris
      nikcris April 30 2014 10: 56
      +2
      Only rice is not eaten there. There’s nothing at all laughing
  23. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 30 2014 10: 07
    +4
    "We criticize Putin not because he is Putin, but because he is not Putin enough." The president is inclined to solve problems peacefully, even if he is at a loss, obviously this will be the case here too. It will be possible to start solving the problem after the elections, when to appear with whom to talk. It is only against the background of the gallows that one can talk to the current madmen. The problem is solved quickly and not expensive, only the time for the first harvest has already been lost.
  24. pensioner
    pensioner April 30 2014 10: 10
    +2
    And if you redirect the waters of the Dnieper to the Volga in the Smolensk region? What will happen in Ukraine?
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 30 2014 13: 07
      +1
      radioactive Pripyat, and with half-wits a hundred times radioactive
  25. Good cat
    Good cat April 30 2014 10: 17
    +1
    Somehow very h.o. Khlovsky, "what I don't eat, I'll bite"
  26. Serge56
    Serge56 April 30 2014 10: 19
    +3
    Do not forget - the term "Holodomor" appeared in the mid-eighties of the last century and thanks to the US initiative. Only fifty years after the all-Russian famine due to two lean droughts in Ukraine. Then, after the death of Brezhnev, in 82, the redistribution of the USSR began. These Pin-do-Soviets spend more on ideological warfare than on tanks and aircraft.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall April 30 2014 11: 24
      +3
      Quote: Serge56
      These pin-up creatures spend more on ideological warfare than on tanks and planes.

      I can say that successfully.
      Apparently they understood that it is better to control minds than to risk in a tank.
      If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir April 30 2014 12: 18
        0
        Therefore, Ukrainians must destroy the Nazi junta: FOR YOUR CHILDREN.
      2. andj61
        andj61 April 30 2014 12: 39
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children.


        Yes, we are not finalizing anything in this regard!
        You need to educate your children yourself!
  27. dkflbvbh
    dkflbvbh April 30 2014 10: 32
    +1
    By the way - Donbass is at least not Crimea, but there is also a catastrophic lack of water there, and therefore, the Dnieper-Seversky Donets canal was also built (which supplies water to the Donbass, in particular Slavyansk) - so there are still people who still have to turn around.
  28. Stasi
    Stasi April 30 2014 10: 34
    +1
    I won’t say anything about the Holodomor; everything that can be said has already been said. But about the desalination of sea water for the Crimea - this is a good idea. I am sure that it will not be so expensive to build such a pump-desalination station, taking into account modern technologies. It is also appropriate to recall that the Kiev junta does not want to supply water in any way. So the construction of the required number of pumping and desalination stations is an exit for the Crimea from the water blockade. And the sooner such stations are built the better. The so-called water blockade is a way to provoke Russia to seize a water canal, which is what the Kiev junta and its overseas patrons are counting on. The development of water wells and the construction of desalination plants break this game and can contribute to the independence of Crimea from Ukraine in terms of water supply.
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 30 2014 12: 44
      0
      Quote: Stasi
      But about the desalination of sea water for the Crimea - this is a good idea. I am sure that it will not be so expensive to build such a pump-desalination station, taking into account modern technologies.


      And to provide energy, resume the construction of the Crimean nuclear power plant. Or overtake here the floating nuclear power plant created by Rosatom. Options are available.
  29. ed65b
    ed65b April 30 2014 10: 37
    +1
    Not long left soon, we also screw the valve. However, the harvest cannot be saved.
  30. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 30 2014 10: 38
    +1
    I think that it is necessary to attach to the Crimea the territory through which this channel runs. Extremely polite ... And judging by the photo of the channel, it needs to be repaired there properly before launch.
  31. nikcris
    nikcris April 30 2014 10: 54
    +3
    Lord! Tie up crying about the channel.
    I have a house in a village on the very banks of the Volga. But watering from a central water supply. Water cube - 60 rubles. If I stupidly water her garden, then it will be cheaper for me several times to buy everything you need on the market. Because for several years now I have drip irrigation everywhere. Costs for consumables - 200-300 rubles \ season. The cost of the initial arrangement - 200 rubles per hundred square meters of land. It is possible to fully automate - it will cost 7-12 thousand rubles. I have 12 acres.

    Substation Kakly Globe only spun Ukraine and did not see that the Dnieper flows from Russia. You can also build a hundred pig farms along the coast in the upper reaches of the pulp and paper mill. am

    PS2 I wonder how expensive it will be to pull the sewer from Moscow to the banks of the Dnieper? love
    1. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka April 30 2014 17: 05
      +1
      Yes. Drip irrigation is widely used in Israel, and there, as you know, there are still problems with water. And Israel sells its agricultural products to many countries of the world, including and to Russia.
  32. Icebreaker
    Icebreaker April 30 2014 11: 24
    +5
    Good day to all!
    I just don’t understand who and when thought of growing rice in the Crimea? !! Why not grow less moisture-loving crops that do not require flooded fields? Rice can be grown in the Kuban (which they do there). And in the scorched anhydrous steppe, you can grow something like that, which will grow there.
    Example: In our Volgograd region, in the Volga region, where a semi-desert, one farmer began to grow "Ethiopian thorn" (Asian safflower) - it does not require watering (at all!) And grows at temperatures not lower than +35 Celsius. "Edible oil of high quality is obtained from the seeds of Asian safflower, dyes are obtained from flowers, which are used even in the food industry. And from a medical point of view, this thorn has many advantages. And the most important thing for the villagers is that this thorn is more expensive than wheat: about twenty thousand rubles per ton. " For export, if - with their hands will tear off, and we in Russia, I think, will not be superfluous. And surely there are still a lot of the same heat-loving and dry-resistant crops.
  33. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 April 30 2014 11: 27
    +2
    Gentlemen, where else can you screw up to force Russia to start "occupying" Ukraine. Time, time is running out May 25 is already near.
  34. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 30 2014 11: 28
    +1
    Feels written by a specialist. I like such subject articles.
  35. Cristall
    Cristall April 30 2014 11: 32
    +2
    Stupid, expensive and violates a bunch of international print ...
    However, like "Vologolodomor"
    Although let's all calm down. Firstly, the round of info war again forces us to send curses towards Ukraine (although judging by the photo from April 26, provided that the source did not lie, everything is normal)
    There are tons of ways to find out if water is coming. We are all close by with telephones; all of Ukraine has relatives or friends in Crimea. I don’t know how the whole of Russia - but we have access to information a little better than the official (usually leading info war)
    you can read
    http://glav.su/forum/4-politics/38-ukraine-russia-relationships/thread/2298827/
    in general, when the situation is related to the Infovoy of the Russian Federation / Ukraine, it is better to trust only your sources and only a few. Call friends and relatives in the Crimea.
    Ukrainian media - water comes in, everything is normal
    Russian - Ukraine does not give lies
    Ukrainian - Crimea lies, water goes
    Russian-nothing goes there, Ukraine is lying again
    and all this catavasia is not only about water ...
    It is necessary to come to an agreement in all areas, and not play war games.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 30 2014 13: 23
      +1
      the outskirts of the junta is lying, as in everything else, by the way the picture is ancient, the reeds have already climbed green tightly, and indeed in our country in the Crimea in the region of Nizhnegorsk the CCM looked like this
    2. badger1974
      badger1974 April 30 2014 13: 25
      0
      and now so with the forum member Garrin - I put him a plus
    3. Setrac
      Setrac April 30 2014 13: 52
      +1
      You know, I live in the Kuban, I can rivet a lot of such photos on our channels. Here is the bridge, let the signs show what kind of channel there is named after whom?
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 April 30 2014 14: 36
        +1
        you can't, photo Garrin is the gateways at the crossroads of the Azov, even took part in cleaning the gateways, behind the gateways, the "swallow's nest" is a small miniature of the real Swallow's nest in Alupka, the place of pilgrimage of the married, so note
  36. Wanderer H7
    Wanderer H7 April 30 2014 11: 44
    +1
    Quote: Sunjar
    Blocked the water, the dogs are premature. Well, although they didn’t think of poisoning. Then would a full zugunder be

    I already thought about it. I’m afraid that if we quickly send the right-wingers and the junta to hell, they will poison it again (((((((those creatures are still
  37. anfil
    anfil April 30 2014 12: 08
    +1
    Desalination is not the most expensive option. Israel lives due to desalination, and they have water in the sea many times more salt than in the Sea of ​​Azov.

  38. KOSMOS
    KOSMOS April 30 2014 12: 11
    +2
    Previously, the extraction of drinking water can exceed 200 thousand cubic meters per day. This will be enough to provide the southeastern part of the peninsula with drinking water, including Kerch and Feodosia. It is very important that these wells will be renewable. The water in these springs, when used wisely, is inexhaustible. Therefore, we can safely say that Crimea is rich in drinking water. "
    Okay, with drinking it’s clear. And what to do with irrigated lands? The situation is dirty anyway.
  39. orekh59
    orekh59 April 30 2014 12: 12
    -2
    Maidanutye leave without water, well, and "RusHydro" without pants. We started the goat in the garden.
  40. sop.ov
    sop.ov April 30 2014 12: 23
    +2
    At 5.00, at a checkpoint near the feed mill of Slavyansk, Ukrainian soldiers again reminded of their presence. In the area of ​​the feed mill, several armored personnel carriers with Ukrainian soldiers were seen. Seeing military equipment, the militia did not engage in a firefight, but set fire to the tires and retreated. The Ukrainian military did not go any further and after some time returned to their place of deployment. As one of the representatives of the self-defense of Slavyansk said, in all, the 8 armored personnel carrier approached the checkpoint. Now they are back to Raisins. Fire engines arrived at the tire burning site and localized the fire. Now the militias are again at the checkpoint, barricades are being strengthened.
    http://youtu.be/D-RiNjl7Iy4
    http://youtu.be/gqoIFVxjNlk
    According to the head of the Slavyansk Health Department, Elena Jim, today there were no wounded and injured in local hospitals.

    I feel the holidays have already begun ...
  41. GRune
    GRune April 30 2014 12: 25
    -6
    Ukrainians are greedy, envious and petty likenesses of a rational man ...
    1. GRune
      GRune April 30 2014 12: 54
      +1
      You can love the mythical Ukraine, inhabited only by heroes and beautiful little panels and surrounded on all sides by “little thieves”. Or you can - a real country with fictional ordinary people. I prefer the second. Our main enemies are not “”, not “Poles,” but we ourselves. Our greed and envy. Our infantility. Our eternal hope for a miracle.
      As it turned out, they themselves know everything about themselves! To the author Respect and respect for honesty! A quote from another article right here on the site.
    2. GRune
      GRune April 30 2014 12: 57
      +1
      Ukrainians are greedy, envious and petty likenesses of a rational man ...
      Strange ... I wrote 1 ukry1 - greedy, envious and petty likenesses of a rational person ... Bearing in mind the generation brought up on the latest achievements of Ukrainian historiography ... Had admins need such an auto-replacement all sense is lost.
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 30 2014 13: 09
        +2
        Quote: GRune
        Ukrainians are greedy, envious and petty likenesses of a rational man ...
        Strange ... I wrote 1 ukry1 - greedy, envious and petty likenesses of a rational person ... Bearing in mind the generation brought up on the latest achievements of Ukrainian historiography ... Had admins need such an auto-replacement all sense is lost.


        Sorry, I put you a minus. I return the favor. Admins flirt something.
  42. strong man
    strong man April 30 2014 12: 39
    +2
    This is the whole point of Bandera Ukrainians, to cut off the water to the whole region, they say, if not with us, then you don't need to live! Considering Crimea as their own, in fact they are pursuing a policy of genocide of their people, really "ordinary fascism"!
  43. andj61
    andj61 April 30 2014 13: 03
    0
    Chairman of the State Agency for Water Resources of Ukraine Vasyl Stashuk is personally responsible for a potential disaster.
  44. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov April 30 2014 13: 11
    +1
    foreign intervention in Ukraine
  45. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf April 30 2014 13: 27
    0
    Yesterday looked x / sc Scouts (1968)
    In my Hungary they show, but the situation is similar I advise you to look!
    You will not regret!
    http://dimspace.ru/film/razvedchiki-28
  46. Signaller
    Signaller April 30 2014 15: 26
    +1
    Clear. They want to fuck us. Question. We don’t have any water there. ????? And Don. He is also freshwater. We put the pumps in the bend. A small dam is needed. It can be quickly built from a membrane. Well, pump the pipes. Of course, not by chance, but% 20-30 can be replenished .. Here you need a calculation. And pipes, pumps can always be calculated according to the problem. From pipe A to pipe B. How much and how. The task for the 5th grader. In short, political will and desire are necessary. Everything else is a matter of technology.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 30 2014 19: 09
      0
      In vain, soaring at the expense of energy-intensive projects, the most thematic, not to give the outskirts of fuel rods for nuclear power plants is the whole problem
  47. l0672435109
    l0672435109 April 30 2014 16: 58
    -6
    You already got tired of complaining about Ukraine, do you give us your gas and oil for free or at world prices? And why should we give Russia something for nothing? For the fact that you send saboteurs to us scum? Water is the same product as gas and oil
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 April 30 2014 19: 42
      0
      gas and oil flow, and de water su ..... ki, although it would be radioactive, but where? so here. drain your water, alternatively - fuel rods at nuclear power plants
      1. O_RUS
        O_RUS 4 May 2014 13: 33
        +1
        Quote: badger1974
        gas and oil



        Quote: badger1974
        You already got


        Quote: badger1974
        so here


        in a word - freeloaders with an independent
  48. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka April 30 2014 17: 07
    +2
    Yeah. In the years 41-42 the Nazis blocked the same water to Sevastopol. The current Kiev pseudo-authorities have someone to take an example from.
  49. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka April 30 2014 17: 12
    +2
    In Crimea, it is worth thinking about reorienting agriculture to other crops. And it would be nice to learn from the Israelis how to grow fruit and vegetables in the desert in such quantities that they would be sold all over the world. Drip irrigation, for example, apply.
    Although, of course, this is not a matter of one day, it’s high time to sow the seeds and other agricultural work.
  50. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka April 30 2014 17: 16
    0
    Speaking of "Gladomor" as the genocide of Ukrainians by the Russians, they forget that in Ukraine, the first secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine was a Pole Stanislav Kosior. And the names of other leaders of Ukraine are known at that time. Only the 2nd secretary Postyshev was Russian there ...