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"Iskander" appeared on the Russian-Kazakh border

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"Iskander" appeared on the Russian-Kazakh borderAccording to some reports, the deployment of Iskander missile systems has begun on the border between Russia and Kazakhstan, which should be completed by the end of 2014, the newspaper reports "Arguments of the Week".


It is noted that, in response to feedback from diplomatic and military circles, Russia and Kazakhstan concluded an agreement in case of political and social unrest in Kazakhstan. In particular, the possibility of a Kazakh version of the Ukrainian Maidan is being considered when President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych had to leave his country. However, allegedly, in the case of Kazakhstan, Russian troops can enter the territory to protect the current government.

In addition, the newspaper reports that the deployment of Russian troops in the Orenburg region, a hundred kilometers from Kazakhstan, is explained by the “prospective threat to Kazakhstan from Islamic terrorist organizations” that can penetrate the territory of the republics of Central Asia “after the leaving American troops”.

However, it is quite possible that this is one of the means of pressure of Moscow on Astana and Beijing. As the newspaper notes, during the Crimean events Nazarbayev met with the Chinese leader Xi Jinping. And April 2 was headed by K. Masimov again, who actively supports the economic union with China.

It is worth noting that Vladimir Shtygashev, the head of the United Russia faction, spoke at the meeting.

“Even many historians do not really know history last xnumx years. East Kazakhstan region, or Rudny Altai. Rudny Altai has always been a part of Russia. Kazakhstan did not have much territory, it was decided to give part of the Ishim region (and this is the Omsk region). They gave and made Karaganda. This is in 70, quite recently. In total, we transferred five provinces to Kazakhstan, and after that the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic from autonomy was renamed SSR. These territories were transferred as loose change, ”he said.
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  1. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx April 29 2014 09: 51
    +23
    It’s also necessary to place a couple and three divisions in the Kaliningrad region
    1. Baikal
      Baikal April 29 2014 09: 59
      +7
      Then the EU expects mass production of cinder blocks as a result of involuntary defecation. They and so, poor, terribly caught up ... With your statements, drive Europe into a depression laughing
      1. Canep
        Canep April 29 2014 11: 39
        +17
        It is worth noting that Vladimir Shtygashev, the head of the United Russia faction, spoke at the meeting.

        “Even many historians do not really know the history of the last 70 years. East Kazakhstan region, or Ore Altai. Ore Altai has always been a part of Russia. Kazakhstan had little territory, they decided to give part of Ishim Oblast (and this is Omsk Oblast). Gave and made Karaganda. This is in the 1936 year, most recently. In total, we transferred five regions to Kazakhstan, and after that, the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic from autonomy was renamed the Soviet Socialist Republic. These territories were transferred as a bargaining chip, ”he said.

        Just imagine this is reading a simple Kazakh, what will he think? With such statements, Russia is losing allies one by one. Who is left? Belarus and the Old Man, and then I think before he is re-elected and Kazakhstan with Nazarbayev. Zhirik talked about everything on Kazakhstan on February 23, and what is the reaction of Russia? And not what. Consequently, it reflects the views of all of Russia and its senior management. Before speaking in this spirit about the allies it would not hurt to think. And you can minus how much will fit.
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 April 29 2014 12: 08
          +5
          Why publish rumor-based newspaper articles, which are also greatly reduced, which is why the logical connection is lost?
        2. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 April 29 2014 12: 11
          0
          Quote: Canep
          it reads a simple Kazakh, what will he think?

          Let him read, be enlightened. Or do you think that this should be forgotten?

          Allies would not hurt to think.

          And when will the Allies begin to think about Russia?
          1. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder April 29 2014 12: 43
            +2
            Quote: Olegovi4

            Olegovi4


            Today, 12: 11

            ↑ ↓


            Quote: Canep it reads a simple Kazakh, what will he think? Let him read, be enlightened. Or do you think that this should be forgotten? it would not hurt to think about allies. And when will the allies begin to think about Russia?


            You will beat the Nazis, the external enemy, invite! Yes, no, I will come without invitations, in a collective security treaty, for the sake of a common cause. But this is already too much for the country. Let us explain with a common example. Here we are neighbors, we are sitting together with you or it doesn’t matter with me, we are drinking beer, suddenly some drunken coz bursts into our yard. and buragozit, an ambal, well, we kick it together and throw it out. But if you start at my place: listen to this my shovel ?! then I’ll definitely give this shovel on the head, because I don’t show anger to friends, but whoever shows me is not a friend.
          2. Dani
            Dani 1 May 2014 11: 58
            0
            when Russia begins to think the interest of the allies, and not just its
        3. silver_roman
          silver_roman April 29 2014 12: 38
          +5
          they said everything correctly. but again, I don’t think that the Iskanders set out to put pressure. this is an extreme measure, and then it will work for Europe, but not for our FRIEND - Kazakhstan.
          I think in this matter it is not worth trying to see a nonsense in relations between the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan, but rather it is worth looking towards strengthening the union state and preparing for a likely global war.
          I think no one will deny its great likelihood
        4. aleks 62
          aleks 62 April 29 2014 12: 38
          -6
          .... One should not be an ally for the cookie, but in spirit .... Correctly reminded .... So as not to forget who are obliged ...
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 29 2014 17: 04
            +4
            with such an approach, you won’t find a common spirituality.
            Do you often wave your club with your friends to remember and appreciate your attitude towards them?
            and what is interesting Kazakhstan owes to the Russian Federation?
            Take a look at the general border. Kazakhstan covers this entire area and thus protects the underbelly of the Russian Federation. God forbid, the situation is destabilized there. Imagine what will happen if some "Saakashvili" comes to Nazarbayev's place !!!
            Need to be farsighted ....
        5. rasputin17
          rasputin17 April 29 2014 13: 01
          +1
          Just imagine this is reading a simple Kazakh, what will he think? With such statements, Russia is losing allies one by one. Who is left? Belarus and the Old Man, and then I think before he is re-elected and Kazakhstan with Nazarbayev. Zhirik talked about everything on Kazakhstan on February 23, and what is the reaction of Russia? And not what. Consequently, it reflects the views of all of Russia and its senior management. Before speaking in this spirit about the allies it would not hurt to think. And you can minus how much will fit.

          Minus the truth is stupid to look in her face! But each coin has two sides, and of course, our allies will not approve of such statements, but Zhirinovsky is not so stupid to say such things! Modern Kazakhstan owed much to both tsarist Russia and the former USSR, and today the obese Kazakh bais are rewriting the history of Ukraine who, for what, sometimes carried such nonsense and insanity !! But this is not scary, the old Kazakhs of the Soviet tempering remember the history and the good that the USSR did to them, but this dibilism is now instilled in young people full of lies and warped facts into fragile brains and on a state basis! And I will not be surprised that after some time we will receive new banderlogs in the person of Kazakh youth !! And then how many grants and investments were made by various funds such as Soros in Kazakhstan! And they apparently do not pass in vain! You look closely at modern Kazakh youth, no one wants to work! Everyone wants to be just lawyers and economists !!! Little techies are released, and even those are illiterate !! I have to work with them and I myself see that their level of education is at the level of Soviet vocational schools with a big minus !! A heating engineer cannot distinguish between enthalpy and entropy, but an engineer is an electric cathode and a cathet, but at the same time everyone knows very well modern marketing and their labor law !! As for politics, so Kazakh multi-vectoring has surpassed world multipolarity !! How can one count on an ally who does not have a clear unified political line !? Today he is with us and tomorrow he can take the other side that is more advantageous for himself by taking neutrality between Russia and its potential enemies in the person of the EU and America! And then VV Zhirinovsky is right, because he himself comes from Almaty and he knows and understands the situation that is happening now in Kazakhstan! And I’ll say more if the existing government is shaken in this country, then the international and inter-confessional laboratory of consent of the nations and peoples of this country can turn into such a cauldron of fire and blood that the situation in Ukraine will seem like a local skirmish of power and people !! And in that fire, the peoples will begin the massacre among themselves, even the Kazakhs from different zhuzes will go to each other, because it is no secret that the southern Kazakhs of the older zhuz do not really like the northern and western from the younger zhuz! And what can we say then about other nations and peoples of which more than 90 nations and peoples have arrived in Kazakh lands since the time of Stalinist repressions and the development of virgin lands !!
          1. Kasym
            Kasym April 29 2014 16: 25
            +7
            Rasputin, what nonsense. Maybe the Kazakhs ruined the USSR? Or have you forgotten whose signatures are under the Belovezhskaya agreements? Yeltsin drove everyone into this "multi-vector approach." Is he Kazakh? Is Zhirik right? You yourself take him seriously - pea jester ?! You have collected gossip here and are presenting it as the truth! Well, what do you know about our zhuzes? What will go north to south? fool Sorry, but no comment! only "-" from me, which I rarely put. By the way, because of people like you, srach begins. Get lost better. You write us down as traitors, but where are the facts? You better look at the "fraternal" Ukraine!
            1. rasputin17
              rasputin17 April 30 2014 06: 12
              0
              . Maybe the Kazakhs of the USSR have collapsed?

              I did not say anything about this; do not distort what has been said.
              Yeltsin drove everyone into this "multi-vector approach."

              For many years, Yeltsin has not only been at the helm but also alive, and Kazakhstan’s policy has remained unchanged and a simple example is when politicians make decisions and do this with an eye to Washington and the EU so as not to fall under their anger and cut off their escape routes, and we won’t go far in voting on the Crimea and its status, even North Korea was not afraid to recognize its status, but we abstain as usual or the war in the Caucasus in 2008 when only Russia and Nicaragua recognized the status of new republics!
              Zhirik is right? You yourself take it seriously - pea jester

              Maybe few people take him seriously, but he is in the Duma and is the leader of a party that has a stable voice of at least 10-11% and this is not enough for Russia and then you call him a jester, in the old days kings themselves listened to jesters! And his words are sometimes not without common sense and quite often they are listened to in the Duma.
              Well, what do you know about our zhuzes? That north will go south

              I don't know anything but my eyes don't need witnesses! Yes, and you yourself know very well that Chimkent lives by its own rules and the laws in force in Almaty in the same Kyzylorda no longer work, I myself faced this when I had to, they clearly and directly told me that go to your Astana and Almaty and there the rights of the local swing a here we have our own autonomy and we must do as we do it! Working with northerners, I constantly come across discontent of southerners. In Kaskelen, it is beneficial to be "Shaprashty" if something needs to be settled, since it is a separate state near Almaty and nothing is ruled there without dough. But in general, I don't know anything, just very often I come across and see these impediments.
              You write us down as traitors

              I do not record you as traitors, I am talking about political uncertainty. The fact that being in one union and conducting common affairs of politics continues to look back on the opposite side and make decisions such as not to offend God forbid the mattress-beds and not cause their anger.
              Sorry, but no comment! only "-" from me

              Thanks for the rating !! A bad mark is also a mark, and if it is put it means that it is not in vain and I have my own opinion different from others. I would like to hope that only I have one, but unfortunately in my life I very often meet him next to people to whom I have nothing to do and this is a fact.
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 29 2014 17: 19
            +5
            Quote: rasputin17
            You look at modern Kazakh youth

            and you look at our youth. The difference is not big. Not for nothing in our country a huge shortage of those. frames.

            Quote: rasputin17
            this dibilism is already being instilled in young people full of lies and warped facts into fragile brains, and moreover on a state basis! And I will not be surprised that after some time we will receive new banderlogs in the person of Kazakh youth

            and in this, in your opinion, the Kazakh people are to blame? how much money does Soros (his fund) and the State Department invest in the development of "culture" in Russia and Kazakhstan? and how much does the RF invest? so that new foci of Russophobia do not appear, it is necessary to work on this very painstakingly and invest a lot. the enemy does not sleep. It's time to understand this already. There is no point in dividing Russian and Kazakh youth in this matter.

            Quote: rasputin17
            How can one count on an ally who does not have a clear unified political line!

            Does the Russian Federation have it ???? essentially a country in the manual control of Vladimir Vladimirovich. What will happen if God forbid he will not? And this will happen sooner or later. Everyone remembers the events of 080808 and who then stood at the helm !!! and imagine the same PERSONALITY in the president’s chair ... although it’s extreme, but once you could talk about Ukraine’s entry into the EU as an extreme, but what is happening now ...?
            Russia does not even have its own ideology. In principle, it cannot exist under the current constitution. How can you create an interstate project of the EAC scale and not have an ideology - clearly the path of movement in history ????

            All this is our common with Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus, etc. Only together we can survive!
            1. Kasym
              Kasym April 29 2014 17: 52
              +4
              Roman, + and thanks! I also wanted to add. As for NGOs (NGOs), Soros and others. In the early 2000s, Nazarbayev pressed them so hard that they howled. A relative of my friend worked there. Then the authorities directly indicated that financing of any suspicious "social projects" was underway. “What will be needed, we ourselves will finance what our people and society need!” - practically literally what the NAS said. hi
          3. Argyn-suindyk
            Argyn-suindyk April 29 2014 18: 38
            -2
            Basic site rules!
            The first rule: All that was done good during the USSR was made Russian, all that the Jews did was bad!
            The second rule of the site: On earth, one full-fledged nation is the rest of the Russians - invented to overcome the sacred lands of highly civilized Russians!
            The third rule of the site: Patriots live only in Russia, in other countries fascists and national leaders!
            1. sir.jonn
              sir.jonn April 29 2014 19: 49
              +4
              Quote: Argyn-Suindyk
              The first rule: All that was done good during the USSR was made Russian, all that the Jews did was bad!
              The second rule of the site: On earth, one full-fledged nation is the rest of the Russians - invented to overcome the sacred lands of highly civilized Russians!
              The third rule of the site: Patriots live only in Russia, in other countries fascists and national leaders!

              Yes, do not stigmatize all members of the forum, there are many different opinions on the site. There are, of course, radicals, but their position on the edge is always far from the main one, unless there is a lot of noise.
    2. Maks-80
      Maks-80 April 29 2014 10: 36
      +2
      And in the Crimea there’s still a couple
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 April 29 2014 11: 33
        0
        And in the Crimea there’s still a couple
        in Belarus, the group needs to be strengthened, and tactical nuclear weapons should be delivered, and medium-range missiles returned.
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder April 29 2014 12: 04
      +7
      Who benefits from exposing Kazakhstan in an unfavorable light in which article? are you setting up people?

      all actions to motivate to be divided into good and evil, I see nothing good in this.
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder April 29 2014 12: 18
      +1
      head of the United Russia faction Vladimir Shtygashev. “Even many historians do not really know the history of the last 70 years. East Kazakhstan region, or Rudny Altai. Ore Altai has always been part of Russia. "

      Yeah! since the time of Neanderthals! no! dinosaurs would be better for a new idea of ​​expansionary politics.

      I understand the Crimea and other territories that have been in Tsarist Russia since the Romanovs, but don’t open your mouth to the Kazakh Khanate, which voluntarily joined as the Cossacks. If you dig deeper, then the territory of Russia was part of the Golden Horde, then Ivan the Terrible conquered its remains, in the form of the Siberian, Kazan, Crimean, Nogai Khanates.

      Maps change, countries appear, countries disappear, no one knows what will happen in a thousand years, but one thing is clear, no one has the right to claim the past, in my opinion 100 years is enough to remember the old borders, and then it's boltology. For a hundred years, one country can easily become another, but the people whose ancestors have lived there for a long time will testify to who is indigenous.
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 29 2014 12: 48
      0
      Quote: Smac111
      It’s also necessary to place a couple and three divisions in the Kaliningrad region

      So they stand on duty there.

      January 25, 2012 it became known that the first division of Iskander operational-tactical missile systems in the Kaliningrad region will be deployed and put on combat alert by Russia in the second half of 2012. However, on the same day, the Russian Ministry of Defense denied this information, saying that no decision was made to approve the staff of the Baltic Fleet’s military equipment equipped with Iskander missile systems at the General Staff.
      15 декабря 2013 года German media, citing sources in the security structures, reported that Russia has deployed Iskander missile systems in the Kaliningrad region. This is evidenced by secret satellite images that show at least ten Iskander-M complexesdeployed in Kaliningrad, as well as along the border with the Baltic countries. Deployment could take place during 2013.
  2. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 29 2014 09: 51
    -32%
    Yes, what for us steppes, so the territory in bulk. Here, where Baikonur can be held and zemlyatsev, and for the rest of Russia there is no need for vast territories. It seems that the small countries of the West and the USA see in Russia with its territories a big theater of future military operations at the hands of Islamists.
    1. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 April 29 2014 10: 06
      +6
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Yes, what for us steppes, so the territory in bulk. Here, where Baikonur can be held and zemlyatsev, and for the rest of Russia there is no need for vast territories. It seems that the small countries of the West and the USA see in Russia with its territories a big theater of future military operations at the hands of Islamists.

      "Pressure on Astana ... Beijing ... Nonsense! Do not forget: there are 9 US bases in Afghanistan! (Not to mention the fact that there are now.)
    2. zao74
      zao74 April 29 2014 10: 35
      +12
      Give me part of your apartment ...
    3. Baikal
      Baikal April 29 2014 10: 56
      +6
      And me. Why is it so big for you? There is a kitchen - and that's enough for you.
    4. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 29 2014 13: 35
      -2
      ... In those steppes, almost all the national wealth of modern Kazakhstan (the steppes that Kazakhstan received at the expense of Russian lands) is ore, industry, etc. .....
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman April 29 2014 17: 23
        +2
        tell me what is more important for the Russian Federation now: ore or real friends ????
        not partners and not allies, namely brothers and friends !!!!
        I really don’t understand where so much aggression towards Kazakhstan comes from? I am sure to whom it is very profitable and all this is not easy!
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 17: 42
          +2
          tell me what is more important for the Russian Federation now: ore or real friends ???? ========= Romych hi Judging by the nickname, you are in Kiev. Have you met with Kazakhs? I agree, absolutely. There are good people. But the rest need to be pulled a little. Young people especially. In Russia. Sometimes they get impudent.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 29 2014 17: 56
            +3
            Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
            Romych Judging by the nickname, you are in Kiev

            Dimon hi
            I was vilified in my life. You are absolutely right, I live in Kiev, but I worked in Novy Urengoy, the Tyumen region, I knew several Kazakhs there. I remember one thing: they considered themselves Russian. They were Russians, Kazakhs by origin, and Russians to their liking! very cool guys. I did not see any obstacles in communication!
            It was in Kazakhstan that I have not been, I cannot judge the Kazakhs "on the ground"))
            1. dmitrij.blyuz
              dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 18: 07
              +1
              I was vilified in my life. = Romych! hi That's the same thing. But that time has passed. Old people still consider themselves Russian (many have USSR passports). And young people ... C'mon. There are no big conflicts. So guys poke and truncated. You, Romych, better say that you’re going on. And now, and now we have something new, loose-headed. Kharkov, Lviv, Slavyansk. I’m more interested in Romny. Is there such an opportunity? Regards- hi
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman April 29 2014 18: 29
                +2
                Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                Romych, better tell me what’s going on

                I will say this: I come from Nizhyn, the citizenship of the Russian Federation, I have a residence permit in Ukraine))). Those. everything is extremely complicated, and the whole thing is complicated by the fact that employers and the staff know all this! At first I was a black sheep, everyone considered it their duty to come up to me and express their opinion on Putin. At first I resisted, but you can’t argue against the majority. Now I try to be silent.
                I will not hide the fact that morally it all shook me. It is painful to watch how the Ukrainians are pouring all sorts of dirt on Russia and Putin, and what is most sad is the Russians (although the Russians themselves are mostly)!
                Recently, I do not follow the news very much, because already banally sick of everything that happens.
                I noticed an interesting thing: in Kiev, the views of people are very different from the views in the same Chernigov. In the latter, people are more balanced in their conclusions and analysis of what is happening. In fact, the people in Kiev are more educated, but fell victim to propaganda.
                And by the way, I want to immediately note the main thing: what they say on the telly that we have a civil war here - WITCH !!! for all this time, since December, I have never even seen a semblance of this. Of course there were skirmishes on the Maidan, there were a couple of hot days, but this did not affect the majority of the population. DO NOT BELIEVE THE MEDIA: both Russian and Ukrainian. and those and others it is not clear whose bread they are working out. Although a Ukrainian. everything is clear to me personally!
                Ask questions, I can answer if I can.
                with respect...!
            2. Dani
              Dani 1 May 2014 12: 20
              0
              here I am reading you and starting to think how am I yes, but like many Kazakhs I’ve fled to you and Ukraine, do what you want but bear the burden of the land of Alma,
      2. Dani
        Dani 1 May 2014 12: 17
        0
        the steppes that Kazakhstan received at the expense of Russian lands) if, to tell the truth, there are very few Russian lands, if you look at Siberia, the Urals, there are also Tatars of the Bashkirs, Polovtsy, Udmurts, Maritsas, go find the Russian lands this is the principality of Kiev, Novgorod lands, Chernigov, Smolensk, Principality of Vladimir, GALICH, HERE AND ALL RUSSIAN LANDS, BUT THIS IS OUR THIS IS OUR
  3. Alez
    Alez April 29 2014 09: 52
    +42
    In general, the USSR was distributing Russian lands left and right, and now we have what we have - Every Nazi bastard, Papuans, who imagined themselves to be great nations.
    1. Ross
      Ross April 29 2014 10: 32
      +4
      “Even many historians do not really know the history of the last 70 years. East Kazakhstan region, or Ore Altai. Ore Altai has always been a part of Russia. Kazakhstan had little territory, they decided to give part of Ishim Oblast (and this is Omsk Oblast). Gave and made Karaganda. This is in the 1936 year, most recently. In total, we transferred five regions to Kazakhstan, and after that, the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic from autonomy was renamed the Soviet Socialist Republic. These territories were transferred as a bargaining chip, ”he said.

      They themselves created a bunch of problems and also raised the ego to other autonomies about exclusivity. So many people have settled in St. Petersburg from Ust Kamenogorsk, Sev. Kazakhstan, it is the Ore Altai.
      1. blackberry
        blackberry April 29 2014 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: Ross
        So many people have settled in St. Petersburg from Ust Kamenogorsk, Sev. Kazakhstan, it is the Ore Altai.

        Does it somehow harm you?
      2. rasputin17
        rasputin17 April 29 2014 13: 14
        -3
        It can be seen from their good life there !!
        1. Kazbek
          Kazbek April 29 2014 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: rasputin17
          It can be seen from their good life there !!
          Logic Reinforced Concrete fool
          Once upon a time, millions of Russians moved from Russia to Kazakhstan, so what do I conclude that the Russians were oppressed in Russia ?! request
          Quote: Ross
          So many people have settled in St. Petersburg from Ust Kamenogorsk, Sev. Kazakhstan, it is the Ore Altai.
          And how much has settled in St. Petersburg from mainland Russia ?! And in Moscow ?!
          Recipients fled from genocide ?!
          Quote: rasputin17
          Full wow! More precisely, its separate part is called cesspool !!!
          You're actually in this Well ... OPE !! you live .. belay
          Quote: blackberry
          .
          Quote: RusKaz
          PS: you are like a girl, throw off your VK in PM, I want to see you
          We formed a couple on the project!?! good
      3. aleks 62
        aleks 62 April 29 2014 13: 41
        +2
        ... The Russian people are fleeing .... I have been to Kazakhstan more than once, talking with local Russians I understood one thing - it's not sweet for compatriots there ... At the domestic level, nationalism is stuck ...
    2. max702
      max702 April 29 2014 10: 40
      +2
      Totally agree! good
    3. Orik
      Orik April 29 2014 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: Alez
      In general, the USSR was distributing Russian lands left and right, and now we have what we have - Every Nazi bastard, Papuans, who imagined themselves to be great nations.

      The form did not see the Great Russians and was ready to hand out everything in the name of the revolution, in order to increase the proletarian element in the agrarian republics.
    4. Canep
      Canep April 29 2014 11: 52
      +5
      Quote: Alez
      In general, the USSR was distributing Russian lands left and right, and now we have what we have - Every Nazi bastard, Papuans, who imagined themselves to be great nations.

      You still have 10-15 million Russians who have no homeland. Which are not needed either in Russia or in their homeland. I am one of them. Although in fact they do not expel me from Kazakhstan. Till.
      1. rasputin17
        rasputin17 April 29 2014 13: 16
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        Quote: Alez
        In general, the USSR was distributing Russian lands left and right, and now we have what we have - Every Nazi bastard, Papuans, who imagined themselves to be great nations.

        You still have 10-15 million Russians who have no homeland. Which are not needed either in Russia or in their homeland. I am one of them. Although in fact they do not expel me from Kazakhstan. Till.


        Yes, they do not drive us from here DIRECTLY, but make it clear that we should think about our homeland in Russia!
        1. Baikal
          Baikal April 29 2014 14: 01
          0
          And to hell with them. If the people of Russia return to Russia, especially smart nationalists will only lose from this. And strong. And more than sure - they understand it.
    5. Canep
      Canep April 29 2014 12: 19
      +6
      Quote: Alez
      Papuans, imagining themselves great nations.

      One of, as you wrote "Papuans", in 1994 suggested your drunk to start collecting the union back, only he (Yeltsin) was not up to it, vodka is more important! And now, when Putin embodies this project, you allow yourself such statements.
    6. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 29 2014 13: 38
      -2
      ....Yes Yes!!!! As Zhirinovsky used to say, “they rebuilt them modern cities, airfields, taught them to read, write, built industry, explored deposits of minerals, etc. ..... I am still gnawing at the question: what will happen after Nazarbayev leaves ???? eternal...
      1. rasputin17
        rasputin17 April 29 2014 13: 50
        -3
        Quote: aleks 62
        ....Yes Yes!!!! As Zhirinovsky used to say, “they rebuilt them modern cities, airfields, taught them to read, write, built industry, explored deposits of minerals, etc. ..... I am still gnawing at the question: what will happen after Nazarbayev leaves ???? eternal...

        Full wow! More precisely, its separate part is called cesspool !!!
      2. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ April 29 2014 14: 02
        +1
        Quote: aleks 62
        The question is gnawing at me: what will happen after Nazarbayev leaves ???? He is not eternal ...

        Yes, everything will be fine. So many years have been built, developed, with what fright will we start breaking everything?
    7. Dani
      Dani 1 May 2014 12: 22
      0
      what Russian land do you have two cries
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 29 2014 09: 53
    +5
    It’s better to play it safe .. Time is turbulent and the Army and Navy are our main allies.
  5. from punk
    from punk April 29 2014 09: 53
    0
    a month ago they stood on duty. it seems like
  6. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch April 29 2014 09: 54
    +12
    Enough of hysteria to escalate. We’ll take everything from everyone, and the Moon and Mars too ...
    1. RND
      RND April 29 2014 11: 25
      +5
      Quote: Semen Semenych
      Enough of hysteria to escalate. We’ll take everything from everyone, and the Moon and Mars too ...
  7. Turkir
    Turkir April 29 2014 09: 55
    +4
    From this information, it is difficult to determine what is actually happening. Nazarbayev, I personally like it. He is smart and diplomatic. Assumptions? They are, but these are only hypotheses. I do not like to speculate. Let's wait.
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    Speculation - the primary meaning of the word: mental constructions based not on facts, but on assumptions.
  8. Simon
    Simon April 29 2014 09: 59
    0
    Yes, Russia also needs to solve problems here. recourse I think that we will decide in our favor.
  9. Magic archer
    Magic archer April 29 2014 09: 59
    +6
    Lukashenko once said that he was not against the Iskanders in Belarus either. It would be nice to come to an agreement with him. It would not be bad. Belarus, Kaliningrad, the flight time of our missiles is very small, so the US missile defense systems will become practically useless
    1. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign April 29 2014 10: 16
      0
      they are not practically but definitely useless ... at such a speed of approach it is unrealistic to recognize false targets and real warheads, and there are protection against air defense and the warheads themselves ... they begin to maneuver when they find a counterattack on them. but this is of course if the launch will be from mobile camouflaged complexes. of the mines, of course, total control is around the clock, and not the fact that we have something in them))) models are possible to divert vigilance
  10. Zelen
    Zelen April 29 2014 10: 00
    +1
    Squandered Russian lands ...
    1. zao74
      zao74 April 29 2014 10: 47
      0
      Yeah, now you need to collect ...
  11. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 29 2014 10: 02
    +5
    It is noted that according to feedback from diplomatic and military circles, Russia and Kazakhstan have concluded an agreement in the event of political and social unrest in Kazakhstan.

    Iskander on the "separatists"? And what is not an ICBM right away?
  12. Russ69
    Russ69 April 29 2014 10: 06
    +20
    A scribe, in one article and immediately a bunch of theories, all that the author had was crazy ...
    This is especially cool; In particular, the possibility of a Kazakh version of the Ukrainian Maidan is being considered. ... Cool, Iskander against Maidan ... smile

    East Kazakhstan region, or Ore Altai. Ore Altai has always been a part of Russia.

    Brilliant ... Countries should soon sign the creation of the Eurasian Union, and some hotheads begin to divide territories once again ...
    Aw, when will we begin to be friends?
  13. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 29 2014 10: 07
    0
    By the way, China is not far from there ... if it suddenly climbs to its neighbors.
  14. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 29 2014 10: 08
    +2
    Everywhere a mess on the border because of idiots of leaders of past years.
  15. sven27
    sven27 April 29 2014 10: 09
    0
    Why not in Kaliningrad?. NATO places additional equipment at the European borders of the Russian Federation, in my opinion they are now needed there.
  16. tnship2
    tnship2 April 29 2014 10: 11
    0
    Maybe it’s time to shoot already proven drug laboratories on the territory of Afghanistan? From help amers to zero. We will solve the problem ourselves. If you pull the scanners closer, they can handle 5 points.
  17. lukke
    lukke April 29 2014 10: 12
    +8
    With Kazakhstan, the border is defined, fixed and nobody will change it (unlike Ukraine, by the way). The article is quite provocative
  18. Cosmos1987
    Cosmos1987 April 29 2014 10: 13
    +17
    What nonsense is this? Kazakhstan is always together with Russia and on May 9 one of the most important holidays in our republic! In the last election, Nazarbayev scored 96% !!! votes, which indicates full support for his course on the development of the country and friendly relations with Russia. What else I want to note is that it was the President of Kazakhstan who embroidered the composition of the collapsed union at that time, and it was he who in the 90s put forward the idea of ​​creating the EurAsEC
    1. Cosmos1987
      Cosmos1987 April 29 2014 10: 16
      +15
      and again for especially maidanutyh

      MOSCOW, March 28. By the end of this year, the Russian special construction agency will build storage facilities for Iskander-M missile systems 100 km from the border with Kazakhstan. According to Izvestia, if necessary, by agreement with the government of Kazakhstan, operational-tactical missiles can be quickly moved to the territory of this country. This is provided for by the documents of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).

      http://news.rambler.ru/24315818/
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  19. Aldo
    Aldo April 29 2014 10: 13
    +14
    A set of old information and a dumb interpretation.
    author drink iadu!
  20. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 April 29 2014 10: 13
    +4
    From the article an unpleasant aftertaste ...
    The deployment of Iskanders to prevent Maidan or pressure on a strategic ally in Central Asia ... from such thoughts it smells like cheap provocation.
    The territorial issue with Kazakhstan is a very complicated topic, let's not raise it ... the truth in this matter is this ... THE BOLSHEVIKI DAMAGED SO THAT DOESN’T ALREADY BE CORRECTED.
  21. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 29 2014 10: 14
    +8
    .. We ourselves give a reason for the "yellow" press. Why yell about it?. They remind the chicken that found the worm, and let's run around the yard. What stupidity .. Surprised and saddened .. Iskander against the demonstrators? Can also plant "Poplar" for landscaping the landscape. I don't understand (maybe not given?) ..
  22. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX April 29 2014 10: 21
    0
    From a cannon on sparrows, this is of course formidable :-) But I hope this will cool the ardor of potential revolutionaries. Although not for long, anyway I’ll give a joke about it, if there is such a task.
  23. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 29 2014 10: 24
    +1
    American missile defense systems will only adequately protect themselves, they will not have enough strength.
    Quote: Magic Archer
    the time of our missiles is very short, so American missile defense systems will practically become useless
  24. RUS96
    RUS96 April 29 2014 10: 25
    0
    The moon must be tidied up, then the rest then with the mind of a fuck ... sya)))
  25. Turk
    Turk April 29 2014 10: 29
    +6
    Quote: Semen Semenych
    Enough of hysteria to escalate. We’ll take everything from everyone, and the Moon and Mars too ...

    +10000 Well, in California ...
  26. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 29 2014 10: 30
    0
    If only Kerry valerianochki passed! Already a man has already worn out! Soon to be fired for unsuitability!
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    1. Magic archer
      Magic archer April 29 2014 10: 34
      +4
      You are mistaken, Dear! It is Iskander in the photo! And here is Point U
      1. vovich
        vovich April 29 2014 11: 07
        0
        Yes. That's right. Mistaken. repeat
  28. Monk
    Monk April 29 2014 10: 36
    +1
    I think it would not be out of place to create Russian military bases on the southern borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
    1. lukke
      lukke April 29 2014 10: 45
      +2
      I think it would not be amiss to create Russian military bases on the southern borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan
      What for? The Kazakhs themselves do an excellent job. Moreover, together with us, they carried out peacekeeping missions in the adjacent border areas. The supply of new equipment will fully ensure the reliability of borders, at least under the current president of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
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    3. Stepnyak
      Stepnyak April 29 2014 11: 29
      +4
      while we manage ourselves, we will need help, we will definitely let you know
  29. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian April 29 2014 10: 36
    0
    I am for security and unity. Only Russia can protect us in all kinds of Western provocations and planned operations.
  30. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 April 29 2014 10: 37
    0
    Russia will never lay claim to lands that once belonged to it, if the population of these regions itself does not want to!
  31. Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ April 29 2014 10: 44
    +9
    In the article, only one hypothesis is worthy of attention-
    "A promising threat to Kazakhstan from Islamic terrorist organizations," which could penetrate the territory of the Central Asian republics "after the withdrawing American troops."
    ... The rest is sorry, nonsense. "Iskander" on a hypothetical Kazakhstani "Maidan", this is strong. And in this case, there will be no need to introduce Russian troops. The National Academy of Sciences has huge support in society, its own security structures are sufficiently developed to suppress internal separatists. Let us not speculate about the "primordial lands", borders have been marked, we are building a Union, a treaty of friendship and good-neighborliness has been signed.
  32. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 29 2014 10: 46
    +2
    The placement of the new Iskander units on these borders is correct. And this is more likely not against Kazakhstan, but against more distant borders. And redeploying existing units to other regions is always easier than not having something to redeploy.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 29 2014 13: 47
      0
      ... It will not reach farther borders ... The range is not that ...
  33. Vita_vko
    Vita_vko April 29 2014 10: 47
    +8
    First of all,
    deployment of Iskander missile systems launched
    not the deployment, but the creation of a storage base, obviously there will be mainly missiles there and this is done under the CSTO agreement.
    Secondly, wouldn't it have been easier to restore production at the Kazakhstani PZTM, where Tochka-U was previously produced?
    Third, from the point of view of combat capabilities from the base deployment area, Iskander will not be able to solve any combat tasks. In Kazakhstan, it captures only part of the northern regions, and the main terrorist threat for Kazakhstan is the South and Southwest, in Russia this region is also useless from the point of solving military tasks to prevent threats. But then it is safe and with the help of the railway. and air transport can be quickly, during the day, transferred to anywhere in Russia and Kazakhstan.
    That's all the arguments. And the article is "provocative, without official comments and documentary agreements, only guesses"
  34. Palych9999
    Palych9999 April 29 2014 10: 49
    +3
    One stupid wrote nonsense, and all-led ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 29 2014 11: 00
      +1
      The newspaper reports that the deployment of Russian troops in the Orenburg region, one hundred kilometers from Kazakhstan, is explained by "a promising threat to Kazakhstan from Islamic terrorist organizations," which could penetrate the territory of the Central Asian republics "after the withdrawing American troops." what where is the rubbish here?
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman April 29 2014 17: 33
        0
        I do not see the scope of the use of the iskander for terrorist groups! for this, volley fire systems (if there are large clusters of terrorists as in Chechen companies) or attack aircraft in general are better suited. Iskander is too expensive a pleasure for bullets on donkeys with martyrs.
        nevertheless, this geopolitical decision seems to me at the level of the heads of state of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation.
        NOT calm now in the Baltic, in Central Europe ....
  35. Zymran
    Zymran April 29 2014 10: 53
    +4
    They will not post Iskanders.

    CSTO will not deploy Iskander-M missile systems in Kazakhstan

    02.04.2014 11: 53 msk, Ferghana
    Afghanistan Politics Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Russia Tajikistan Terrorism

    The Secretary General of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (Collective Security Treaty Organization) Nikolai Bordyuzha said in an interview with ITAR-TASS that the Collective Security Treaty Organization is not going to deploy Iskander-M missile systems in Kazakhstan and other Central Asian states. “This is not the weapon that is necessary to counter such challenges that we expect from Afghanistan today,” Bordyuzha explained.

    Recall that a few days ago Izvestia published information that by the end of the 2014 of the year Russia would erect storage facilities for Iskander-M tactical missile systems 100 kilometers from the border with Kazakhstan in order to protect the former Soviet republics from possible external threats from Central Asia. Experts quoted by the publication noted the Central Asian direction as the most alarming after the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan: they wrote that a reduction in the US military presence could lead to destabilization in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, and then “the troops of the Central Military District of Russia should be ready to quickly advance and help Kazakhstan to protect the border. "

    However, the CSTO Secretary General believes that today we are talking about four main threats that can come from Afghanistan, and none of them require the involvement of Iskanders: “The first is the zone of instability, as such. The second is the territory where a large number of armed groups of various extremist organizations are located. Third, militant training camps. The fourth is drug trafficking. ”

    The usual targets of Iskander-M are air defense and missile defense systems, airfields, infrastructure, as well as enemy missile systems. The complex can effectively destroy the enemy’s manpower. The maximum range of destruction is 500 km.
  36. Korablev
    Korablev April 29 2014 10: 57
    -3
    However, allegedly, in the case of Kazakhstan, Russian troops can enter its territory to protect the current government.

    And you can immediately place Russian troops there, as long as the power there is legitimate from all points of view. But how can the Iskander help there, it is not clear what the invasion from the Uryuk republics or China is expected to be?

    However, it is entirely possible that this is one of Moscow’s means of pressure on Astana and Beijing.

    This is a more likely hypothesis, but Beijing Iskande somehow in a drum, Beijing will not reach.
  37. Alex_T
    Alex_T April 29 2014 10: 58
    +7
    Article, delirium of the schizophrenic. What tries "... one of Moscow's means of pressure on Astana and Beijing"? Is the author crazy or stoned?
  38. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn April 29 2014 11: 05
    +7
    Another duck, comrade Lavrov apologized for the fart of the Khakas and the idiot Zhirik, no one posted Iskander and is not going to. Whoever posted this "analyst" is simply a provocateur.
  39. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 29 2014 11: 09
    +4
    The author apparently wants to "warm up" the nationalists. Nonsense about Russia's claims to Kazakhstani lands.
    1. marshes
      marshes April 29 2014 14: 07
      +2
      Quote: ia-ai00
      The author apparently wants to "warm up" the nationalists.

      The author wants there to be more immigrants to Russia, or else there is no order with demography. It is predicted that 50% of migrants will form part of the population in the Russian Federation by 2050.
  40. mamont5
    mamont5 April 29 2014 11: 12
    +1
    "... based on responses from diplomatic and military circles, Russia and Kazakhstan have concluded an agreement in the event of political and social unrest in Kazakhstan."

    Oh well, nonsense. What about the "Kazakh Maidan" will be soaked from Iskander?

    "... it is quite possible that this is one of Moscow's means of pressure on Astana and Beijing."

    But this is more like the truth.
  41. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata April 29 2014 11: 14
    +4
    The author is definitely a provocateur. But if the reaction of the public is "let's take everything" - then you really have to think ...
  42. Flipman
    Flipman April 29 2014 11: 15
    +1
    Yeah, the author is still a provocateur! but Zhirinovsky sometimes says things
  43. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 29 2014 11: 20
    -3
    Attached 5 regions, as always out of good intentions, in order to dilute the local flavor of civilization. Again for reasons of loyalty. The same ideas that were put in place when the industrial southeast joined the peasant Ukraine. As a sign of gratitude, they paid the movement of Russia in 99 so that no trace was left. Moreover, the Kremlin actively contributed to this. When Nazarbayev leaves with a high degree of probability, Kazakhstan will turn into an Islamic cesspool.
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 29 2014 16: 17
      +1
      You have a cesspool in your mouth!
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  45. Concept1
    Concept1 April 29 2014 11: 31
    +5
    The article is complete nonsense and provocation!

    ADMINISTS TIME TO FILTER INFORMATION.

    SITE QUALITY DECLINES.

    Compared to other sites (Politicus, Made With Us, RusFact), there is not a complete information. The objectivity of the articles leaves much to be desired.
    And such articles in my opinion carry a negative meaning and directly contribute to inciting hatred and distrust both between the participants of the site and its guests. By adding a drop to the sea of ​​lies, distorting facts and misinformation.
    1. Cossacks
      Cossacks April 29 2014 14: 13
      -2
      But what about freedom of speech. So in your opinion censorship is needed. I remember in the 30s there were 4 million denunciations. So the flag is in your hands. But where the sweetest criminal language comes from.
    2. Cossacks
      Cossacks April 29 2014 14: 13
      0
      But what about freedom of speech. So in your opinion censorship is needed. I remember in the 30s there were 4 million denunciations. So the flag is in your hands. But where the sweetest criminal language comes from.
    3. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 29 2014 16: 23
      +3
      Basic site rules! The first rule: All that was done good during the USSR was made Russian, all that the Jews did was bad! The second rule of the site: On earth, one full-fledged nation is the rest of the Russians - invented to overcome the sacred lands of highly civilized Russians! The third rule of the site: Patriots live only in Russia, in other countries fascists and national leaders!
  46. 51064
    51064 April 29 2014 11: 34
    +7
    There are no Iskanders on the border with Kazakhstan and cannot be. They just have nothing to do there. Moreover, no Maidan in Kazakhstan even smells like - nationalists, separatists, extremists, radical Islamists, the fifth column cannot even raise their heads.
  47. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 29 2014 11: 36
    +1
    Our confident close military presence always cools too hot heads everywhere. So this time.
  48. Yaik Cossack
    Yaik Cossack April 29 2014 11: 37
    -1
    Let's hope that everything will be fine, but if the ass starts in Kazakhstan and inadequate people come to power similar to the situation in Ukraine, then Russia will have to contribute to the normalization of the situation in the country as a whole or to regain the areas given to the Union. But this is an extreme option.
  49. mackonya
    mackonya April 29 2014 12: 02
    +2
    I do not think that I do not think it is appropriate to put pressure on "Astana" and all these conversations of "territorial claims", of course the Northern and Eastern cities were Russian fortresses in the old days. But the modern territory of Kazakhstan did not emerge from scratch, it historically happened and the events in Ukraine cannot develop in Kazakhstan, the wrong preconditions, the wrong people, this will not work here. But for the future confrontation with the territory. groups from Afghanistan may well be, although I don’t understand how to launch a missile strike against such a group, but “tactically” presence is necessary.
  50. Zymran
    Zymran April 29 2014 12: 05
    +1
    Quote: mackonya
    But for the future confrontation with the territory. groups from Afghanistan may well be, although I don’t understand how to launch a missile strike against such a group, but “tactically” presence is necessary.


    It has a range of 500 kilometers and try to hit the group from Iskander, why not from V-2?
    1. marshes
      marshes April 29 2014 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: Zymran

      It has a range of 500 kilometers and try to hit the group from Iskander, why not from V-2?

      There is a cruise missile for Iskander R-500, it has a maximum range of 2000 km.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran April 29 2014 20: 06
        +2
        Well, it doesn’t matter. To shoot at bandits from Iskander, this must have a very unconventional imagination, as someone here suggested to shoot from C-300 at enemy ships in the Caspian. laughing