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Lenin's recipesTo the birthday of Lenin’s grandfather, he traditionally reread his works. And once again I was convinced that this is an immortal classic, relevant for today too.


Try to project his description of the situation after the February Revolution to today's events in Ukraine: “Take what happened in Russia six months after February 27 1917: official places that were previously given, preferably to the Black Hundreds, became the subject of mining for Cadets, Mensheviks and Social Revolutionaries.
In fact, no serious reforms were thought of, trying to delay them “before the Constituent Assembly” - and the Constituent Assembly should be delayed little by little until the end of the war! With the division of production, with the occupation of small towns, comrades, ministers, governors-general, etc., etc. did not hesitate and did not expect any Constituent Assembly!

Playing in combination about the composition of the government was, in essence, only an expression of this section and the redistribution of the “prey”, going both above and below, throughout the country, throughout central and local government. The result, the objective result for the six months of February 27 - 27 of August 1917, is undoubted: the reforms have been postponed, but there has been a division of the bureaucratic townships ”.

Today, we have the same thing: there are no real reforms (except for tax reforms and the appointment of oligarchs as governors), but there is a fierce battle for positions and posts. And at the same time, “war” hysteria is being blown up in every way, in order to divert people's attention from failures in the economy, diplomacy and other areas.

And the elections to the Verkhovna Rada will be postponed to the last, using “separatism” and “Russian invasion” as pretexts for their transfer or cancellation.

An illustration of the deplorable current state of affairs in the economy of Ukraine (except for my previous analytical calculations with figures) can be the following quote from an article on Polemika: “The Ukrainian government already suspects an unprecedented trick from the West. Yatsenyuk even burst "terpes".

Indeed, only a mentally deranged person will calmly observe how the Ukrainian currency and other reserves, still in the squeezed fingers of the new government, turn into ashes, settling in a new layer on the Ukrainian economic ashes.

Having discovered that the plans of the executive board of directors of the International Monetary Fund do not include the Ukrainian issue and there is no trace until May 2, the ministers became agitated that night and sent an official appeal. Not an appeal, almost an ultimatum: a decision on a loan should be made within a maximum of ten days. "Or what?" Not specified.

Money in the treasury left for a few days. Maximum - for two weeks. And with 1 May you need to pay for gas with Russia. And no longer 2,6 billion, but in an amicable way - about 3,5 billion dollars (because due to non-payment of the previous debt prepayment is introduced for the next month).

The reverse from Europe also does not shine, because Europeans also require prepayment. There will be no help from the IMF (I have already explained the mechanisms why), and the US will allocate “as much” 70 million dollars: 50 for “developing democracy” (read “supporting the Grant’s fifth column”) and 20 for defense (with this money you can buy modern tank or four modified T-68). That is, it's nothing at all.
In the conditions of a critical lack of money, the NBU allocated to commercial banks nearly 32 billion hryvnias for two months (of which Kolomoisky's 12 billion fell to Privat).

The ongoing backlash with public procurement also hints that no one is going to offend the oligarchy, and everything that happens is being done in its interests. Of the millions collected for the needs of the army, 80 millions over 20 millions have already been sent to the generals for holding the Spring Rainfall exercise.

And at this time in the army revolts begin, because mobilized people are kept in terrible conditions, in cold weather, in unhygienic conditions and fed by the devil knows what (among the soldiers' requirements, you can wash yourself at least after field exercises and sanitary inspection of food).

You remember how the uprising of the battleship Potemkin began?

In addition, the miners, who are protesting against a part of their salaries being transferred for the repair of Khreshchatyk after Maidan, have already begun their speeches. When the money in the treasury ends in a few days, even more massive protests will begin for all those who are not paid salaries, pensions and scholarships.

I am not talking about price increases. Here are the words of a classic on this score: “The question of raising fixed prices also has another side. This increase means a new chaotic increase in the issuance of paper money, a new step forward in the process of strengthening the high cost of living, increasing financial distress and the approach of financial collapse. ”

What did Lenin propose in order to prevent a catastrophe? “You can guarantee that you will not find a single speech, a single article in a newspaper of any direction, not a single resolution of any meeting or institution, where the main and main measure of struggle, the prevention of catastrophe and famine, would not be recognized quite clearly and definitely.

This measure: control, supervision, accounting, regulation by the state, the establishment of the correct distribution of labor in the production and distribution of products, the preservation of popular forces, the elimination of any unnecessary waste of energy, saving them. Control, supervision, accounting - this is the first word in the fight against disaster and hunger. This is what is indisputable and generally accepted.

And that’s what they’re not doing out of fear of the omnipotence of landlords and capitalists, of their immense, unheard-of, scandalous profits, profits that profit from high prices, military supplies (and for the war "work" now, directly or indirectly, almost all), profits that everyone knows, everyone is watching, about which everyone gasps and groans. "

As we see, nothing has changed since then. How much is said about the open property registry, about the electronic land cadastre, about the full transition to electronic money, about enhancing the transparency of public procurement (I’m not talking about the active use of management automation systems that would significantly reduce the bureaucratic apparatus) - and now there. Grandpa Lenin suggested the following steps to prevent a catastrophe:
1) Consolidation of all banks into one and state control over its operations or nationalization of banks.

2) The nationalization of syndicates, i.e. the largest, monopolistic capitalist unions.

3) Cancellation of trade secrets.

4) Forced syndication (i.e. unification) of industrialists and merchants.

5) Encouraging the unification of the population in consumer societies (cooperatives).

This is logical, reasonable, thought out and correct.

Today, only a new, not “rotten” revolution, bearing a social and anti-oligarchic nature, can save Ukraine, which is falling apart, in fact, restarting it as a new project, formulated not as “Ukraine first”, but as “People first”.
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  1. Baikal
    Baikal April 29 2014 19: 11
    +20
    1) Consolidation of all banks into one and state control over its operations or nationalization of banks.
    2) The nationalization of syndicates, i.e. the largest, monopolistic capitalist unions.
    3) Cancellation of trade secrets.
    4) Forced syndication (i.e. unification) of industrialists and merchants.
    5) Encouraging the unification of the population in consumer societies (cooperatives).

    The ideas are very sound. Though now in ... Russia wink
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic April 29 2014 19: 24
      +7
      Quote: Baikal
      Ideas, of course, are sound ... even now in Russia

      Only who will execute them, but you can dream. hi
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov April 29 2014 20: 16
        +6
        Quote: schizophrenic
        Only who will execute them, but you can dream.

        Do not believe it, there is nobody but you and the Russian people.
        Here is nobody for us, our work will not be done!
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 29 2014 20: 07
      +4
      Eh, you were ahead of me, but I wanted to write the same thing, word for word. wink
    3. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 29 2014 20: 15
      +3
      LENIN LIVING ALL LIVING!
      1. jjj
        jjj April 29 2014 21: 21
        +4
        Lenin still has a conclusion that the imperialist war will grow into a civil war
        1. AVIATOR36662
          AVIATOR36662 April 29 2014 22: 01
          -2
          It was the program of the Bolshevik-Leninists for the seizure and consolidation of their power. Lenin's recipes were very remarkably summarized in Leniniana by the writer Erofeev. It would not be harmful for young people to familiarize themselves with it. Now there is no History of the CPSU as an obligatory subject, as well as "Party political work in the troops", when almost all of Lenin's work had to be summarized, that's why you should know. The author of the article says that only a new revolution (bearing a social and anti-oligarchic orientation) can save the disintegrating Ukraine. It's just ARCHINAIVE. All world revolutions were only bloody, in all revolutions the people suffered innumerable troubles and losses. To think that it will be otherwise is pure utopia.
          1. Cutter
            Cutter April 30 2014 08: 33
            +1
            No one thinks! And the reference to the "authoritative" opinion of Erofeev, this exaggeration of the Russian land, on this resource, to put it mildly, is not appropriate. This is on "Echo" kamilfo. There people are taught to hate and defame the Motherland.
          2. Zlata
            Zlata April 30 2014 17: 06
            -1
            "This was the program of the Bolshevik-Leninists to seize and strengthen their power." - +100500. Only very naive people do not understand this.

            "All world revolutions were only bloody, in all revolutions the people suffered innumerable troubles and losses. To think that it will be otherwise is a pure utopia." +10000000000 !!!
    4. Nick
      Nick April 29 2014 21: 34
      +2
      Quote: Baikal
      The ideas are very sound. Though now in ... Russia

      And not only to Russia ...
    5. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey April 30 2014 07: 48
      +4
      There is a work by V.I. Lenin's "How to Organize RabKrIn", there it is very well and easily written about this. And Lenin was a great man, thanks to his postulates on the NEP, China, which took them into service, well, plus the social. labor, became a powerful industrial country.
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      3. Zlata
        Zlata April 30 2014 16: 43
        -1
        It’s interesting, the impression is that the ideologists from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation hang out on this site on an ongoing basis, there are too many adorers and admirers of Stalin and Lenin. Spit on RabKrIn and other rubbish. You can chat whatever you like, but the great experimenter Lenin did not succeed in making the people happy and contented. I think that the happiness of the people was not planned. The main goal was POWER. To gain power - at ANY cost, at the cost of any human sacrifice. After the October coup, people's lives were just a monstrous nightmare - for decades to come. I can judge by the life of my family and other ordinary people. As the saying goes, "you will know them by their deeds." BY DEEDS, and not by words and delusional writings. That is why the communists LOST in the elections. That is why our president now is not Zyuganov, but Putin. AND THANK GOD. And at least miss the point, Leninists.
  2. Stepan Vict
    Stepan Vict April 29 2014 19: 14
    +6
    Clever, logical and undeniable.
  3. Weigher
    Weigher April 29 2014 19: 21
    .
    “For the birthday of Lenin’s grandfather, I traditionally reread his works. And once again I was convinced that this is an immortal classic, relevant for today.”
    Namely, the loot robbed !!! wink
    1. zol1
      zol1 April 29 2014 19: 32
      +2
      Namely, the robbery looted !!

      The dashing 90s, and where does grandpa!
    2. bubla5
      bubla5 April 29 2014 19: 37
      +5
      And the return of the loot is not humane or something, the whole point is how to return the loot, you can do everything in a civilized manner
    3. Igor39
      Igor39 April 29 2014 20: 08
      +13
      Lenin took capital from oligarchs and foreigners, giving it to the people, nationalized all property, made the people the owner of his country. Whom did Lenin rob?
      1. Weigher
        Weigher April 30 2014 10: 04
        -1
        "Lenin took away the capital from the oligarchs and foreigners, giving it to the people"
        Laughed so laughed !!! laughing laughing laughing
        They took away everything even from those who had an elementary economy: a cow, pigs, chickens!
        Collective farms were given to the people!
        "nationalized all property"
        The property was nationalized so that after the fall of the USSR, this property was privatized by a narrow circle of people !!!
        That's how long-term plans of the world elite are built and implemented !!!
        And inappropriately to me, la-la, that now Gazprom and oil are popular !!!
        1. Ustas
          Ustas 1 May 2014 08: 02
          0
          Quote: Weigher
          The property was nationalized so that after the fall of the USSR, this property was privatized by a narrow circle of people !!!

          What a pearl! Yes, to what you can agree in your verbiage. So Lenin (in your opinion), it turns out what long-term plans he was building. That’s a great mind, to build the USSR in order to destroy it in the future. However.
    4. Nick
      Nick April 29 2014 21: 46
      +1
      Quote: Weigher
      Namely, the loot robbed !!!

      In other words, the redistribution of unfairly distributed resources or the "expropriation of the expropriators" according to Marx ...
    5. Ustas
      Ustas 1 May 2014 07: 56
      0
      Quote: Weigher
      Namely, the robbery looted !!

      Why so? It is just necessary to return what was plundered in 90-00, that is, cancel the results of privatization and nationalize the energy mining and manufacturing industry.
  4. family tree
    family tree April 29 2014 19: 22
    +6
    Try to project his description of the situation after the February revolution to today's events in Ukraine:
    Not projected. Such a wild parade of sovereignty is not observed. On the contrary, there is a demand for federalization, not even confederalization. This time.
    The country is far from at war with an external enemy, it is simply quietly occupied by it, at two.
    Russia had no one behind, in 1917, it was necessary to rake itself. This is three.
    1) Consolidation of all banks into one and state control over its operations or nationalization of banks.

    Squeal, and Ukraine without money, that is, completely.
    2) The nationalization of syndicates, i.e. the largest, monopolistic capitalist unions.
    They are not in Ukraine.
    3) Cancellation of trade secrets.

    This is not even funny. What secrets can there be in Ukraine? Not to mention commercial.
    4) Forced syndication (i.e. unification) of industrialists and merchants.

    5) Encouraging the unification of the population in consumer societies (cooperatives).
    belay I’d like to see this clowning laughing
    1. Baikal
      Baikal April 29 2014 19: 28
      +1
      Well, if you look at the situation like this, then of course laughing
    2. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 April 29 2014 22: 10
      -2
      We saw all this communist anti-economic heresy in Russia after October 17, the result was corresponding. Hunger and devastation. I had to urgently remember about foreign loans and loans, the policy of the NEP. Everything is as old as the world! Correctly, the comrade says that I would like to see this clowning again !
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      2. Zlata
        Zlata April 29 2014 23: 36
        -2
        I TOTALLY AGREE.
        1. kaa_andrey
          kaa_andrey April 29 2014 23: 59
          +5
          Stalin I.V. Compositions. - T. 7. - M .: State

          publishing house of political literature, 1952. S. 156–211.

          "Is it possible to develop large-scale Soviet industry in a capitalist encirclement without outside loans?"

          Yes it is possible. This case will be fraught with great difficulties, it will have to endure difficult trials, but we can still carry out the industrialization of the country's arable land without loans from the outside, despite all these difficulties.

          Until now, history has known three paths of formation and development of powerful industrial states.

          The first path is the path of capturing and robbing colonies. Thus developed, for example, England, which, having seized colonies in all parts of the world, pumped out “additional capital” from there to strengthen its industry for two centuries and turned, eventually, into a “factory of the world”. You know that this path of development is unacceptable for us, because colonial seizures and robberies are incompatible with the nature of the Soviet system.

          The second path is the path of military defeat and indemnities conducted by one country in relation to another country. This was the case, for example, with Germany, which, having defeated France during the Franco-Prussian war and having knocked out 5 billion indemnities from it, then poured this amount into the channels of its industry. You know that this path of development is also incompatible with the nature of the Soviet system, for it essentially does not differ from the first path.

          The third way is the path of bonded concessions and bonded loans going from countries that are capitalistically developed to a country that is capitalistically backward. This was the case, for example, with tsarist Russia, which, giving bonded concessions and taking bonded loans from the Western powers, thereby plunged into the yoke of a semi-colonial existence, which did not exclude, however, that in the future it could, in the end, to get on the path of independent industrial development, of course, not without the help of more or less “successful” wars and, of course, not without the robbery of neighboring countries. It is hardly necessary to prove that this path is also unacceptable for the Soviet country: it was not for this that we shed blood in the three-year war with the imperialists of all countries, so that the next day after the victorious end of the civil war voluntarily went into the bondage of imperialism.

          It would be wrong to think that each of these paths of development is carried out in living life necessarily in a pure form and is certainly isolated from other paths. In fact, in the history of individual states, these paths often crossed and complemented each other, giving examples of their interweaving. An example of such a plexus of paths is, for example, the history of the development of the United States of North America. This circumstance is explained by the fact that the various development paths, with all their differences from each other, have some common features that bring them together and make their interweaving possible: first, they all lead to the formation of capitalist industrial states; secondly, all of them suggest an influx from outside of “additional capital” received in one way or another, as an inevitable condition for the formation of such states. But it would be even more wrong to mix them on this basis among themselves and bring them together, not realizing that the three development paths mean all the same three different methods of forming industrial capitalist states, that each of these paths leaves its own special imprint on the physiognomy of these states.

          What remains to be done by the Soviet state if the old ways of industrializing the country are unacceptable to it, and the influx of new capital, not under bonded conditions, is still excluded?

          There remains a new path of development, a path not yet fully explored by other countries, the path of development of large-scale industry without external loans, the path of industrialization of the country without the obligatory inflow of foreign capital — the path outlined by Lenin in his article "Better less, but better." . "
      3. Ustas
        Ustas 1 May 2014 08: 09
        0
        Quote: AVIATOR36662
        ! Correctly, the comrade says that I would like to see this clowning again!

        But I don’t want to. But unfortunately this clowning does not depend on ideology, neither on communist nor on capitalist. And by this and in the modern world is possible.
    3. jktu66
      jktu66 April 30 2014 00: 07
      +1
      Russia had no one behind, in 1917;
      In 1917, Russia had an enemy Germany and a "friend" Britain behind its back (with such a friend, you no longer need enemies). I'm talking about the policy of indirect influence of the German General Staff and the policy of counterbalances in London. There was also misinformation about the tsar's family, about the situation at the front, "grants" to the fifth column and other pod.lost. Strong Russia was scary and hateful to the Gay Europeans! nothing has changed to this day - the same fear and hatred towards us
  5. mark2
    mark2 April 29 2014 19: 31
    +1
    Something is cunning the author. It’s not realistic to re-read the works of Lenin again. It’s difficult to master them for the first time. Fruitful on the writings was Vladimir Ilyich
    1. lg41
      lg41 April 30 2014 02: 26
      -6
      Pisaka Lenin thus earned grants from his sponsors (in particular, Germany).
  6. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever April 29 2014 19: 35
    +6
    The collapse of Ukraine is not possible to prevent — everyone has already recognized this — its artificial unification, not historical. I love Lenin very much - his organizational talent. He opened a new vision that no one had seen before - and the workers 'and peasants' power showed that the people could do anything. However, the nature of man also sets its own rules - once a stumbled good man has to pay in triple what he will pay bad. It’s like in a family where the father leaves the family and leaves the solution of all issues on weak shoulders - and then nature takes revenge and returns us to those problems from which we were in such a hurry to leave - without solving. And popular democracy is a free labor in the name of the common good and perhaps not always grateful.
    I like to read about Danko, the hero of the third part of the story of M. Gorky, “The Old Woman Izergil”, who sacrificed himself and saved his people with the help of a “burning heart”. Danko made a feat, sacrificing his life for those whom he brought to the light - but when people saw the light, they were delighted and ran, trampling Danko's heart. This is the wisdom of life. If we do not stomp the hearts of those who laid down their lives for us, their hearts will warm us and bring us out and save
    1. Zlata
      Zlata 1 May 2014 19: 17
      -1
      What a pure romantic soul. Love to read about Danko? Only an example, well, it’s not at all suitable in this case ... Beautiful, no doubt, but that's not about Lenin’s grandfather at all. There is romance, but there is the truth of life. For example, RED TERROR. Which grandfather Lenin and implemented.
  7. saag
    saag April 29 2014 19: 38
    +1
    There is no comrade Lenin in Ukraine, Igor Strelkov can cope with Dzerzhinsky, even reminding him of something :-)
    1. Baikal
      Baikal April 29 2014 21: 10
      +6
      But Trotsky is full of them.
      1. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 April 29 2014 22: 25
        +1
        Firstly, Trotsky was No. 1 in that October revolution, not Lenin and Stalin. And then Trotsky was 5 years (1917-1922) Minister of Defense (the post was called just differently) during the most difficult times for the young Soviets of power. Just some do history and victories, while others rewrite history as they need.
        1. Cutter
          Cutter April 30 2014 08: 42
          0
          Why are monuments everywhere to Lenin? Armored car? A soldier with a teapot in Smolny? I think that Bronstein, this p.adal is still not the first. The Russian people would never follow this violent "bespectacled man".
  8. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 29 2014 19: 40
    +8
    He is Lenin in Africa, Lenin, much of what he wrote is relevant in our time and can be successfully applied.
  9. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 April 29 2014 19: 41
    0
    There is something in the classics
  10. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik April 29 2014 19: 42
    +5
    "I knew a worker. He was illiterate. He didn't even chew the alphabet salt. But he heard Lenin speak. And he knew EVERYTHING!" (Vladimir Mayakovsky)
    1. Barmal
      Barmal April 29 2014 23: 53
      0
      Kiev parallels asked for themselves.
  11. tuareg56
    tuareg56 April 29 2014 19: 46
    +10
    Lenin is a genius and it is indisputable !!! And it is not necessary to re-read, but to adopt and act in a Leninist manner.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer April 29 2014 21: 17
      +6
      I think that our forum is still not a place where you can give an assessment to Lenin. Too finely obtained.
      As for revolutions and transitions, nothing has changed in human psychology over the 100 years. The works of Lenin are indeed relevant.
      And now it is appropriate to recall one more article - "The United States of Europe". The same as it is now written.
    2. Zlata
      Zlata 1 May 2014 19: 46
      -1
      He is a monster who spilled blood over a vast country. Have you read anything about the Red Terror? After such deeds, spit and grind all this paperwork.
      Do you want a revolution? What does it mean to "act like Leninist"? But my family does not need a revolution. And I don't know any of my acquaintances who would yearn for another coup with bloodshed. "Genius" - WHAT IS HE A GENIUS? Is that the fact that he managed to seize power - by brilliant deception and a lot of blood.
  12. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf April 29 2014 19: 51
    +2
    An interesting paradox - everyone who aspires to power, regardless of nationality, political credo, method of coming to power, all as one, as a blueprint put the same goals, the same tasks (sometimes they are sometimes called differently). All have the same slogans "The former stole, we are getting poorer, the country is rolling, the people are unhappy" "We will carry out ... We will reanimate ... We will restore .... We will punish" and so on and so forth.
    So what is the difference?
    The difference in the methods of implementing the goals and objectives. And in the system of retaining their own power!
    So Lenin is not the first, and Yaytsenyuk is not the last!
    1. family tree
      family tree April 29 2014 21: 31
      +2
      Quote: Ruswolf
      The difference in the methods of implementing the goals and objectives. And in the system of retaining their own power!

      Just in the methods of implementation and the system of retention, there is no difference, a change of power, if successful, a revolution, if not, a coup. Few dissatisfied, silence, there is some critical mass, civil war, or war. But in the set goals and objectives there is a difference, only, behold, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." Not a single turmoil ended in anything good.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf April 30 2014 02: 59
        +1
        Vladimir!
        I like your reasoning!
        It turns out a good topic for philosophical battles:
        "Methods of Exercise and Retention - as Levers of Political Power"
        You can spin up well. What do you think?!
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  13. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 29 2014 19: 53
    +8
    Lenin is a genius in order to put all the laws of the development of human society on the shelves, and after so many years everything he has written remains relevant.
  14. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 19: 54
    +1
    The golden mean is good in everything; you need to take only the most necessary, the second communism, namely, as 1917 we do not need.

    To each mind !!! this is the first, to each according to his ability !!! this is the second, equal conditions to all !!! this is the third.

    So much for socialism ...
    1. zavesa01
      zavesa01 April 29 2014 20: 05
      -1
      And in 1917 was communism ?????
      1. jjj
        jjj April 29 2014 21: 25
        +2
        Quote: zavesa01
        And in 1917 was communism ?????

        War communism
  15. zavesa01
    zavesa01 April 29 2014 19: 55
    +3
    V.I. Lenin had a whole galaxy of the smartest and most honest associates. There was a goal to achieve which they spared their lives. The modern Ukrainian junta has nothing but fear, panic, and mercantile interests.
    Instead of building a state of equality (socialism), the junta leads its people into slavery.
    Similar source data but no more. Ukraine does not become Lenin’s Russia.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 29 2014 20: 48
      +3
      Quote: zavesa01
      V.I. Lenin had a whole galaxy of the smartest and most honest associates

      The chairman of the Council of People's Commissars - Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin) - is more alive than all the living.
      People's Commissar for Internal Affairs - A. I. Rykov - was sentenced to death on March 13, 1938
      People's Commissar of Agriculture - V.P. Milyutin - on October 29, 1937, sentenced to death
      People's Commissar of Labor - A. G. Shlyapnikov - was shot by a sentence of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR.
      The People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs - a committee composed of: V. A. Ovseenko (Antonov) (in the text of the Decree on the formation of the Council of People's Commissars - Avseenko), N. V. Krylenko and P. E. Dybenko - the last two were executed in 1938.
      People's Commissar for Trade and Industry - V.P. Nogin - He was buried on Red Square in Moscow in a mass grave.
      People's Commissar of Education - A. V. Lunacharsky
      People's Commissar of Finance - I. I. Skvortsov (Stepanov)
      People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs - L. D. Bronstein (Trotsky) - He was mortally wounded by the NKVD agent Ramon Mercader on August 20, 1940 in Mexico.
      The People's Commissar of Justice - G. I. Oppokov (Lomov) - was shot on December 30, 1938 by the verdict of the Military Collegium of the USSR Supreme Court
      People's Commissar for Food - I. A. Teodorovich - Sentenced by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR on September 20, 1937 to the death penalty.
      People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs - N. P. Avilov (Glebov) - on March 12, 1937, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR sentenced to be shot,
      People's Commissar for Nationalities - I. V. Dzhugashvili (Stalin)
      1. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 April 29 2014 22: 44
        +1
        And this is Leninism-Stalinism in action! A little off topic, but the heroes of the defeat of the Japanese before the Second World War did not bypass this tragic fate. Repressions against the senior and senior command personnel of the Red Army before the Second World War are very indicative, as well as against the party leaders of that time. congress of winners? And now it is sometimes heard that Stalin will come and put things in order. He was a worthy successor to Lenin's cause. By the way, the revolution was also done (as in Kiev) with foreign money, with the participation of the Finnish "special forces".
        1. Barmal
          Barmal April 29 2014 23: 13
          +3
          the illusion that Lenin knew the right way, Stalin did the right thing. If you read their work, you can find out the true knowledge "as it should". I had it back in 1989. You just need to read more carefully and thoroughly. There is a lot of blood of ordinary peasants, workers, soldiers, nobles, townspeople and the priesthood between the lines. That was what pushed me away from Lenin and his party. And Ukraine by his prayers is such today, how sad it is.
          1. Zlata
            Zlata 1 May 2014 20: 56
            0
            I TOTALLY AGREE.
    2. Zlata
      Zlata 1 May 2014 21: 09
      -1
      But wasn't that a junta? Led by your beloved Lenin? And it was also fueled by finances from abroad, like the Ukrainian junta now. And just as the Leninist junta wanted to spit on the people in its quest for power, did not shun anything - terror, massacres, lies and intimidation.
  16. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 19: 58
    0
    Quote: zavesa01
    V.I. Lenin had a whole galaxy of the smartest and most honest associates.


    You can list these "honest" associates ....

    Rogues and there was enough !!!
  17. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 20: 03
    0
    That is not too lazy climbed into Wiki.

    Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars - Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin)
    People's Commissar for Internal Affairs - A. I. Rykov
    People's Commissar of Agriculture - V.P. Milyutin
    People's Commissar of Labor - A. G. Shlyapnikov
    People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs - Committee, composed of: V. A. Ovseenko (Antonov) (in the text of the Decree on the formation of the Council of People's Commissars - Avseenko), N. V. Krylenko and P. E. Dybenko
    People's Commissar for Trade and Industry - V.P. Nogin
    People's Commissar of Education - A. V. Lunacharsky
    People's Commissar of Finance - I. I. Skvortsov (Stepanov)
    People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs - L. D. Bronstein (Trotsky)
    People's Commissar of Justice - G. I. Oppokov (Lomov)
    People's Commissar for Food - I. A. Teodorovich
    People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs - N.P. Avilov (Glebov)
    People's Commissar for Nationalities - I. V. Dzhugashvili (Stalin)

    December 1917-January 1918

    Are these? or dig further ...?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 29 2014 20: 47
      -1
      The chairman of the Council of People's Commissars - Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin) - is more alive than all the living.
      People's Commissar for Internal Affairs - A. I. Rykov - was sentenced to death on March 13, 1938
      People's Commissar of Agriculture - V.P. Milyutin - on October 29, 1937, sentenced to death
      People's Commissar of Labor - A. G. Shlyapnikov - was shot by a sentence of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR.
      The People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs - a committee composed of: V. A. Ovseenko (Antonov) (in the text of the Decree on the formation of the Council of People's Commissars - Avseenko), N. V. Krylenko and P. E. Dybenko - the last two were executed in 1938.
      People's Commissar for Trade and Industry - V.P. Nogin - He was buried on Red Square in Moscow in a mass grave.
      People's Commissar of Education - A. V. Lunacharsky
      People's Commissar of Finance - I. I. Skvortsov (Stepanov)
      People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs - L. D. Bronstein (Trotsky) - He was mortally wounded by the NKVD agent Ramon Mercader on August 20, 1940 in Mexico.
      The People's Commissar of Justice - G. I. Oppokov (Lomov) - was shot on December 30, 1938 by the verdict of the Military Collegium of the USSR Supreme Court
      People's Commissar for Food - I. A. Teodorovich - Sentenced by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR on September 20, 1937 to the death penalty.
      People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs - N. P. Avilov (Glebov) - on March 12, 1937, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR sentenced to be shot,
      People's Commissar for Nationalities - I. V. Dzhugashvili (Stalin)
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 30 2014 06: 20
        0
        Interest but - cons, then for what? You would think that it was I who muzzled them and shot them.
  18. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 20: 09
    +3
    Or these?

    Again wiki, CENTER ....


    Council of People's Commissars (Council of People's Commissars, SNK) 1918 g .:

    Lenin - chairman, Chicherin - foreign affairs, Russian; Lunacharsky - enlightenment, Jew; Dzhugashvili (Stalin) - nationalities, Georgians; Protian - agriculture, Armenian; Larin (Lurie) - Economic Council, Jew; Schlichter - supply, Jew; Trotsky (Bronstein) - army and navy, Jew; Lander - state control, Jew; Kaufman - state property, Jew; V. Schmidt - work, Jew; Lilina (Knigissen) - public health, Jewish woman; Svalbard - cults, Jew; Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) - internal affairs, Jew; Anvelt - hygiene, Jew; Isidor Gukovsky - finance, Jew; Volodarsky - seal, Jew; Uritsky — elections, Jew; I. Steinberg - justice, Jew; Fengstein - refugees, Jew.
    In total, of the 20-ty of people's commissars - one Russian, one Georgian, one Armenian and 17 Jews.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D
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    %BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A1%D0%A0
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m April 29 2014 21: 22
      +4
      Try in the wiki or in any other dictionary to find the word CET ....
      Russian, damn it, was found. Learn to write correctly in your language, cetirologist.
  19. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 20: 11
    -1
    Less, don’t minus ... but you won’t erase words from a song ...

    1. zavesa01
      zavesa01 April 29 2014 20: 26
      +2
      I prefer to discuss, rather than minus.
    2. Ustas
      Ustas 1 May 2014 09: 08
      0
      Quote: Kornilovist
      Less, don’t minus ... but you won’t erase words from a song ...

      And the story can not be redone ...
  20. zavesa01
    zavesa01 April 29 2014 20: 19
    +3
    Quote: Kornilovist
    Rogues and there was enough !!!

    And what do you think are crooks.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 April 29 2014 21: 03
      +1
      And who was not a rogue there? The units who were honest, and the seals were entirely rogues .. For the tsarist regime they were an 5 column, exactly the same as the current liberals visiting the embassy. Thanks to Stalin and his associates they shot everyone (!) Radek, Countrymen and other riffraff!
  21. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 20: 22
    +1
    Quote: zavesa01
    Quote: Kornilovist
    Rogues and there was enough !!!

    And what do you think are crooks.


    I tell you well-known facts, I will not retell here ... study the mat part!
    1. zavesa01
      zavesa01 April 29 2014 20: 39
      +5
      Alternative? laughing In spite of everything, it was the "rogue" Trotsky who created the Red Army. Such as Vorovsky, Menzhinsky is now problematic to find. Or is one of the modern Maidan residents ready to repeat the feat of Lazo? FOR THE IDEA !!!!
      1. lg41
        lg41 April 30 2014 02: 37
        0
        And on the Maidan there are ideological
        1. Ustas
          Ustas 1 May 2014 09: 09
          0
          Quote: lg41
          And on the Maidan there are ideological

          Is this a statement or a question?
  22. zavesa01
    zavesa01 April 29 2014 20: 31
    +5
    In fact, Lenin was in power for 5 years 17-22. During this time, a young Soviet state was created. The war with Germany is terminated. The civil war, educational program, etc. are over. Read the story.
    1. Frigate
      Frigate April 29 2014 20: 47
      +3
      In fact, the Soviet state was built by Stalin. After the end of the Gradana War and the death of Lenin. Along the way, finishing off all Lenin’s fellow members.
      1. zavesa01
        zavesa01 April 29 2014 20: 58
        +4
        I hesitate to ask Stalin is not Lenin's comrade-in-arms ??
        1. Frigate
          Frigate April 29 2014 21: 32
          -2
          Rather, an opponent.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 30 2014 06: 23
      +1
      Quote: zavesa01
      War with Germany is stopped

      This "cessation" is called surrender.
  23. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 20: 37
    -2
    Quote: zavesa01
    Quote: Kornilovist
    Rogues and there was enough !!!

    And what do you think are crooks.


    So as not to spread much thought on the tree, here's a wiki.

    Lenin did not expect a revolution in 1917. Lenin’s public statement in January 1917 in Switzerland is known that he does not expect to live to see the upcoming revolution, but that young people will see it [74]. Lenin, who knew the weakness of underground revolutionary forces in the capital, soon regarded the revolution as a result of the "conspiracy of the Anglo-French imperialists" [75].

    In April 1917, the German authorities, with the assistance of Fritz Platten, allowed Lenin, along with 35 party supporters, to leave Switzerland by train from Germany. General E. Ludendorff claimed that the transportation of Lenin to Russia was expedient from a military point of view [76]. Among Lenin's companions were Krupskaya N. K., Zinoviev G. E., Lilina Z. I., Armand I. F., Sokolnikov G. Ya., Radek K. B. and others [77].

    Here is more detailed !!!

    Question of the financing of the Bolsheviks by Germany
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    0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%93%D0%B5%D1
    %80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B9

    Sealed wagon
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0
    %B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD

    Quote.
    On April 8, one of the leaders of German intelligence in Stockholm telegraphed to the Foreign Ministry in Berlin: “Lenin’s arrival in Russia was successful. It works exactly as we would like it to be ”[82] [83] [84].

    The shooting of the royal family

    The shooting of Admiral Kolchak

    Role in Red Terror

    Role in the exile of part of the national intelligentsia

    Role in the rout of the Orthodox Church

    etc. + help from other honest comrades !!!
    1. zavesa01
      zavesa01 April 29 2014 21: 06
      -1
      Quote: Kornilovist
      The execution of the royal family The execution of Admiral Kolchak The role in the Red Terror The role in expelling part of the national intelligentsia abroad The role in the defeat of the Orthodox Church

      1- There was no other way out, because letting go abroad means creating a very strong anti-Soviet bloc.
      2- Was a convinced class and ideological enemy to let go see n 1
      3- Read his brochure on red terror is not terrorism in the modern sense.
      4- Without pulling it out of the text, read about exactly who Lenin spoke of as lousy intelligentsia. She expelled her.
      5- Religion - opium for the people read where this phrase comes from.
      1. Zlata
        Zlata 1 May 2014 20: 20
        -1
        God, you justify the killings. Even killing children. Even the red terror. However, nothing surprising. Adorers of Lenin and Stalin very often seem to have their eyes closed and their brains completely bent off.
    2. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m April 29 2014 21: 26
      +2
      Since when did Wikipedia become the ultimate truth? With the advent of the Internet, have you completely forgotten how to turn on the brain?
      1. lg41
        lg41 April 30 2014 02: 51
        +2
        From the moment of assuring that the USA is a world hegemon.
    3. lg41
      lg41 April 30 2014 02: 48
      0
      Lenin really was the 5th column of Germany in Russia. But Trotsky made the revolution, being the 5th column of the United States. He sailed on 2 ships with an armed crew of 600 people in the spring of 1917 from America. For six months they lived in Smolny. In the process of the revolution, it was Trotsky who had sufficient funds through the US Embassy. And Lenin was financially poor. Germany spent just over 22 million marks on the Russian revolution through Lenin.
    4. Ustas
      Ustas 1 May 2014 09: 41
      0
      Quote: Kornilovist
      The execution of the royal family The execution of Admiral Kolchak The role in the Red Terror The role in exiling part of the national intelligentsia abroad The role in the defeat of the Orthodox Church + help from other honest comrades !!!

      All this is the 5th collon, counter-revolution.
      Quote: Kornilovist
      On April 8, one of the leaders of German intelligence in Stockholm telegraphed to the Foreign Ministry in Berlin: “Lenin’s arrival in Russia was successful. It works exactly as we would like it to.

      And then there was 1945
  24. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 20: 40
    -4
    Quote: zavesa01
    In fact, Lenin was in power for 5 years 17-22. During this time, a young Soviet state was created. The war with Germany is terminated. The civil war, educational program, etc. are over. Read the story.


    It seems that you did not study history, but very zealously taught the foundations of Marxism of Leninism !!! or even scientific communism !!!

    laughing
    1. zavesa01
      zavesa01 April 29 2014 20: 50
      +3
      Well, I taught it loudly, but I read "Capital" and I advise you.
      According to history, too briefly:
      After Russia left World War I, German and Austro-Hungarian troops occupied part of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states and the south of Russia in February 1, which led to the conclusion of the Brest Peace in March 1918.
      In March 1918, Anglo-French-American troops landed in Murmansk; in April - Japanese troops in Vladivostok; in May, the revolt of the Czechoslovak corps began. All this created serious problems for the new government. By the summer of 1918, three-quarters of the country's territory had formed numerous groups and governments opposed to Soviet power. The Soviet government set about creating the Red Army and adopted a policy of "war communism".
      In the second half of 2, the Red Army won its first victories on the Eastern Front, liberated the Volga region and part of the Urals. After the November Revolution in Germany, the Soviet government annulled the Brest Peace, Ukraine and Belarus were liberated. However, the policy of "war communism", as well as "decossackization", aimed in fact at the destruction of the Cossacks, provoked peasant and Cossack uprisings in various regions and enabled the leaders of the anti-Bolshevik camp to form numerous armies and launch a broad offensive against the Soviet Republic. In the territories occupied by the White Guards and interventionists, the partisan movement expanded.
      In March - May, the Red Army successfully repelled the offensive of the White Guard forces from the east (Admiral A.V. Kolchak), the south (General A.I. Denikin), the west (General N.N. Yudenich). As a result of the general counterattack of the Soviet troops of the Eastern Front, the Urals were occupied in May and July, and in the next six months, with the active participation of partisans, Siberia. In April - August 1919, the interventionists were forced to evacuate their troops from the south of Ukraine, from the Crimea, Baku, and Avg. Of Asia. The troops of the Southern Front defeated Denikin’s armies near Orel and Voronezh and by March 1920 pushed their remains to the Crimea. In the autumn of 1919, the Army of Yudenich was finally defeated near Petrograd.
      At the beginning of 1920, the North and the coast of the Caspian Sea were occupied. The Entente states completely recalled their troops and lifted the blockade. After the end of the Soviet-Polish war, the Red Army launched a series of attacks on the troops of General P.N. Wrangel and expelled them from the Crimea. In 1921-22, anti-Bolshevik uprisings were suppressed in Kronstadt, in the Tambov region, in a number of regions of Ukraine, etc., the remaining centers of interventionists and White Guards in Sred were liquidated. Asia and the Far East. This actually laid the foundation for the federal state created in 1922 - the USSR.
      This is not from Wiki.
      1. lg41
        lg41 April 30 2014 02: 57
        +1
        Foreign troops were withdrawn from Russia after the capture of Russian gold and its export from the country of the Soviets. Further disassembly between the red and white did not interest them. For gold money, they supported both red and white.
  25. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 20: 41
    -2
    Quote: zavesa01
    Alternative? laughing In spite of everything, it was the "rogue" Trotsky who created the Red Army. Such as Vorovsky, Menzhinsky is now problematic to find. Or is one of the modern Maidan residents ready to repeat the feat of Lazo? FOR THE IDEA !!!!


    Talk about the feat, you need to start only with yourself personally! laughing
    1. zavesa01
      zavesa01 April 29 2014 21: 17
      +3
      Quote: Kornilovist
      Talk about the feat, you need to start only with yourself personally!

      I'm sorry how? Start with a story about your own feat? Natural modesty does not allow. repeat
  26. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 20: 46
    +1
    Quote: zavesa01
    Alternative? laughing In spite of everything, it was the "rogue" Trotsky who created the Red Army. Such as Vorovsky, Menzhinsky is now problematic to find. Or is one of the modern Maidan residents ready to repeat the feat of Lazo? FOR THE IDEA !!!!


    and again a mistake, Maidan - this is not a revolution, this is a coup .. this is a coup for money from the Washington Regional Committee ... The scenery was changed, and the puppeteers were in place !!!
    1. lg41
      lg41 April 30 2014 02: 59
      +2
      The February and October revolutions were also made for the money of the USA, England, Germany, Japan.
  27. nod739
    nod739 April 29 2014 20: 48
    +1
    the difference between that time and the present is only in one small detail -
    huge capital can be transferred to another continent in an instant without leaving your home, by electronic payment,
    (because capital and run all the time somewhere .... where a little quieter, where there are fewer risks, etc.)
    therefore, with an increasing share - money sublimates - in Russian speaking - as if to a large extent evaporate !!! so nationalize in one National Unified BANK or UNITED BANK))) will not work. this is the case when the whole is much smaller than the parts of its components.
  28. zavesa01
    zavesa01 April 29 2014 20: 52
    +1
    And this was done by "crooks" from a sealed carriage. laughing
    "Find out who benefits from it."
  29. homosum20
    homosum20 April 29 2014 21: 03
    +1
    Maybe someone is tired of the time of changes in Russia. I understand and sympathize.
    But God forbid anyone (including the Chinese) to live during the "Maidan" Ukrainian changes.
  30. zavesa01
    zavesa01 April 29 2014 21: 13
    -1
    Quote: Kornilovist
    The shooting of the royal family

    WHICH family ???? At that time, Nikolasha was Prince Romanov, but not like the Tsar. As an autocrat, he threw his people dragging him into a number of wars unfavorable for Russia. Which actually destroyed the army and navy. Plus absolute anarchy. Read what his own father said about Nicholas. He, like no one else, can be trusted since this is the opinion of not only his father, but also the TsAR of the Russian Empire.
    1. lg41
      lg41 April 30 2014 03: 02
      -1
      But it was under Nicholas that Russia reached its greatest prosperity in many positions.
  31. individual
    individual April 29 2014 21: 39
    +1
    Hmm.
    Maydanniki set a goal to throw Yanukovych.
    Moved away, what's next?
    Now waiting for May 25th.
    The deadline will pass, and what will change?
    The territory around Kiev is shrinking, the legitimacy of the authorities is in question, "there is no gold reserve and, as in" Wedding in Malinovka "- if this continues, then I will also scatter in different directions! fellow
  32. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 22: 13
    -1
    Quote: zavesa01
    Quote: Kornilovist
    Talk about the feat, you need to start only with yourself personally!

    I'm sorry how? Start with a story about your own feat? Natural modesty does not allow. repeat


    Hero of what :)
  33. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 22: 16
    +2
    Quote: zavesa01
    Quote: Kornilovist
    The shooting of the royal family

    WHICH family ???? At that time, Nikolasha was Prince Romanov, but not like the Tsar. As an autocrat, he threw his people dragging him into a number of wars unfavorable for Russia. Which actually destroyed the army and navy. Plus absolute anarchy. Read what his own father said about Nicholas. He, like no one else, can be trusted since this is the opinion of not only his father, but also the TsAR of the Russian Empire.


    Yes, we read different books, you are propaganda, and I am history ...
    1. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 April 29 2014 23: 11
      -2
      Comrade Trotsky was right, and he gave some facts without background. But in general, the impression that this is a young correspondent of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" 60s-70s. But convinced.
  34. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 29 2014 22: 19
    0
    Quote: zavesa01
    And this was done by "crooks" from a sealed carriage. laughing
    "Find out who benefits from it."


    At least imperial Germany ... but for you, "in your case," the end of the war with Germany :)

    laughing
  35. Timmir
    Timmir April 29 2014 22: 24
    +1
    Liberals and dissatisfied begin the revolution, and at the head are people who will do anything, even for crime.
  36. Polarfox
    Polarfox April 29 2014 23: 42
    +1
    Any, even the most liberating, revolution carries on its surface the foam of an established and potential criminality. This is simply explained by the a priori "revolutionary" amnesty (winners are not judged) and the ease of catching fish in troubled waters. Is it possible, in normal times, to form armed private armies at will and within one's pocket? Is it possible to hire "bounty hunters" during stability? Is it possible, without breaking the law, to try to push through an idea unpopular with a part of the population with the help of an incredible alliance of the army and organized criminal groups? Moreover, at the expense of the population itself. The answer is so obvious that I think the questions are rhetorical.

    Conclusion: any actions justified by the revolution are criminogenic in themselves, because they free the hands of criminals of all kinds, encouraging the growth of a legal vacuum and legal impunity. Consequently, the normal path of development of civilization is evolutionary, not revolutionary. In view of the above, I believe that any calls for the violent overthrow of the existing government, albeit not very satisfying to the population, are crimes against humanity, and I dare to accuse the liberals of being inhuman. The way out, in my opinion, is not in destruction "to the ground, and then ...", but in a methodical and scrupulous requirement to comply with the current legislation, in defending one's rights in legal ways, even in trifles, without fear of losing time and fraying nerves. It is impossible to push around a people who know their rights and strictly demand their observance, including through judicial protection. Therefore, there is no need for dubious revolutionary experiments.

    True, with the existing rampant corruption and paralysis of the rule of law, each of us must turn into a lawsuit in order to ensure the observance of our legal rights. But this, again, is the consequences of perestroika, which I am inclined to regard as a "velvet" revolution with all the natural consequences (an increase in criminality, a total disregard for the rights of citizens, and even a devaluation of human life itself).
  37. Magadan
    Magadan April 30 2014 06: 15
    -1
    I respect the author, but Lenin - not a bit.
    Lenin's recipes - to sign the shameful Brest Peace Treaty 3 months before the defeat of Germany. Another recipe is to ascribe to oneself the "successes of electrifying the country," which this grandfather never started, but Nikolai began long before him.
    Another recipe is to expel almost all the best scientists from the country: Where did Sikorsky invent the helicopter? And where did Zvorykin invent the television?
    But the most important and extremely cynical recipe is NEP and concessions !!! Those. this is mud ... duck flooded the country with blood under the flag of the struggle against capitalism AND THERE IS THE SAME AFTER "VICTORY OF THE REVOLUTION" INTRODUCED CAPITALISE BACK !!!

    No matter how you twist it, dear supporters of the Lenin-Trotskyists, the fact stupidly remains a fact. The country is torn apart, tens of millions are killed and mutilated by the commissars, the laurels of the winners of the 1 World go to the USA and England and all this is for the sake of starting the fight against the oligarchy to start building a new oligarchy.

    His mother! So this is a clean Maidan! Those, too, were "against the oligarchs" and now they have oligarchs everywhere sitting and driving!

    And yet - do not confuse Lenin and Stalin. The first is pure Satanyug and a traitor to Russia. The second - corrected everything that the first had done by sending all of these Bolshevik revolutionaries to us at Kolyma
    1. dmb
      dmb April 30 2014 10: 08
      +1
      I am not inclined to think that I will change your assessment, but I will try. You obviously will not deny that the Bolshevik Party strove for power and received it. Explain to yourself and to us why it was necessary for the "commissars to mutilate tens of millions." Now I'm not even talking about numbers, but about the motive. They have power, material values ​​too. Send them to foreign banks and live for your own pleasure. And these fools for some reason begin to build the state, fight homelessness, and, mind you, do not acquire real estate abroad. The latter, in the eyes of the present builders of new Russia, apparently makes them bloody ghouls. With regard to the Brest-Litovsk Peace and the war to a victorious end, it was probably best to ask the opinion of the Russian men rotting in the trenches, which by the way is known. They supported the Bolsheviks. It would be curious to know what documents signed by Nicolas do you have on electrification and what documents signed by Lenin on the expulsion of Sikorsky and Zworykin. There is no need for the steamer because it was called philosophical. On the whole, I respect philosophers, but they are also different. The steamer was carried mainly by enemies of the Soviet regime. Do you think that Lenin should have treated them as Stalin treated his associates? If so, which of them is bloodier? Regarding the NEP, I can advise you to read the same Lenin and other program documents of that time, in particular Stalin's speeches at 13-14 congresses. Again, in contrast to the current kings, it is clearly stated there why the NEP is being introduced and what it will give the country. Compare this with your results. I'm not sure that all of the above are arguments for you, but then try to refute them.
      1. dmb
        dmb April 30 2014 19: 19
        +1
        Judging by the minus could not refute.
        1. Ustas
          Ustas 1 May 2014 09: 59
          0
          Quote: dmb
          Judging by the minus could not refute.

          Yes, in his, Magadan's words, sheer liberal mantras from foreign sources.
  38. demotivator
    demotivator April 30 2014 07: 24
    +3
    Lenin knew well what he was writing, because he was "in the subject." Just at the time of Lenin, or rather in April 1918. another anniversary of the fall of the Ukrainian People's Republic has passed. For those who reproach the present People's Republics of Donbass and Odessa for reliance on "foreigners" and therefore consider them "fake", it would not be bad to remember how the then Ukrainian People's Republic, dear to the heart of Ukrainian nationalists, was born. And she was born on German bayonets. Then they ran everything - the Germans. They did not come themselves - they were invited by representatives of the Central Rada (which, by the way, no one elected). From the first day the Germans did not hide why they came. According to a peace treaty with Ukraine, they were to receive millions of poods of grain from them. To secure this supply, they needed "Ordnung schaffen" (to put things in order) in Ukraine. In fact, the country was ruled not by the Rada, but by the German occupation command. It restored landownership there, and robbed the local population in every possible way. It ended with the fact that the Germans dispersed this Rada, together with its "speaker" Hrushevsky.
    What does this 95-year-old historical episode teach us? Firstly, the fact that, to put it mildly, the claims to Donetsk and other People's Republics of the South-East are ridiculous that they are “fake” and “fake”. Because these "accusers" do not consider the Ukrainian People's Republic a hundred times more "fake" and conceived by the occupation bayonets of "gray men" in Kaiser's helmets as fake, and moreover, they sacredly revered. Secondly, the history of the UPR can serve as a good illustration of the well-known aphorism of Mao Zedong that "the rifle gives rise to power." The founding fathers of the UPR had very extensive Manilov projects of social reform - but the real owner of the Kaiser's rifle, on whom they decided to rely, judged in their own way.
  39. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 30 2014 10: 15
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    At the same time, one should not forget how these Bolsheviks - the Communists, etc. ... twice actively collaborated with enemy intelligence:

    - 1903 - 1906 - from Japanese;
    - 1910 - 1918. - with German.

    and did not disdain anything!

    About crime, as I wrote here, I am silent ...

    Moreover, the top, very calmly and not poorly lived in Europe, and this is also a fact!

    As for further events - this blood pressure which they set up in the country, it will not be enough to write down the "paper"!
    1. dmb
      dmb April 30 2014 15: 38
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      And don’t, don’t translate the paper in vain. Nonsense to write, no forest is enough even with our reserves. Unlike you, I’m not used to taking a word for the site’s commentators, therefore, if it doesn’t bother you, please provide documents from which you gathered information about active cooperation.
    2. Zlata
      Zlata April 30 2014 18: 41
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      Yes, I absolutely agree - a real blood pressure was created in the country. For those who now start to object - I advise you to read about the Red Terror. If, after that, comrades-Leninists, you will carry a blizzard about the "great leader" - then you are either fools who do not want to know your own history, or scoundrels who do not care about the death of a huge number of compatriots.
  40. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 30 2014 16: 30
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    Quote: dmb
    And don’t, don’t translate the paper in vain. Nonsense to write, no forest is enough even with our reserves. Unlike you, I’m not used to taking a word for the site’s commentators, therefore, if it doesn’t bother you, please provide documents from which you gathered information about active cooperation.


    In any form ? Can't you look through it yourself in Google?
    1. dmb
      dmb April 30 2014 20: 03
      +1
      And the view is very simple: The name of the document, its number, date, storage location and the source in which you found it. As a rule, only the latter can be specified. The truth is, there is one oddity; even the most ardent monarchists, Stalinists and similar jingoistic patriots point to the sources of Echo of Moscow, MK, and similar lascivious liberal publications for some reason, or get off with the usual phrase like “Look for yourself”. The argument is of course the "strongest" one.
    2. Ustas
      Ustas 1 May 2014 10: 03
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      Quote: Kornilovist
      Can't you look through it yourself in Google?

      Well, just like a child. Google, is that true?