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The entry of Russian peacekeepers to the South-East of the ex-Ukraine is inevitable. When will it happen

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The Kiev junta announced that another provocation, called “the active stage of the antiterrorist operation,” was successfully completed.

Of course, the success of the clumsy attempt to attack Slavyansk has to be doubted. But once officially announced the continuation of provocations, and even that they are passing according to a certain step-by-step plan, we will try to determine the true goals of these actions. And also see how events will continue to evolve.

To begin with, the stated goal of the “antiterrorist operation” - the elimination of “separatist terrorists” (activists of the Southeast uprising) - simply cannot be achieved. We have already written in detail that the Kiev putschists do not have sufficient forces to suppress the uprising. Despite the most powerful propaganda in the Ukrainian media, there is simply no one to “clear out” the South-East of its own armed people. The “National Guard”, recruited from the ideological nationalists, is not very efficient. Power structures and the armed forces, which formally submit to the junta, are not eager to carry out criminal orders. According to unverified information, during yesterday's “special operation” even the anti-terrorism unit of the Security Service of Ukraine “Alpha” refused to carry out the order. And only nationalists who received the status of “national guardsmen” and a special unit of the Omega internal troops participated in the fire contacts. But to suppress a really massive and, moreover, armed uprising - not enough street hooligans, let them armed in a hurry. For the successful suppression of the uprising junta need thousands of groups, consisting of those who know how to handle weapons and ready to shoot at fellow citizens. So far the junta has no such forces.

From this circumstance follows the first goal of the “phased” provocations. It is impossible to motivate the “loyal” forces for punitive operations with the help of propaganda alone. So, it is necessary to support virtual motifs with real ones. Bloodshed should cause mutual bitterness and bitterness. If the resistance fighters are constantly kept under stress by “psychic attacks”, and through provocations forced to open fire, then after some time the virtual image of the enemy will be reinforced by the junta’s troops with the blood of comrades. Then, as the putschists hope, the loyal forces will become more decisive in the struggle against the compatriots.

This goal can be achieved. But these actions cannot lead to the declared "integrity" of the former Ukraine. They will lead to the opposite result - a full-scale civil war instead of the current sporadic one, and this full-scale war will finally bury the remnants of the unity of citizens and territories.

Whether persons who have appointed themselves by the Ukrainian authorities are capable of soberly assessing the consequences of their actions or incapable is not important. Whether they understand what they are doing, or sincerely do not understand, it does not matter. What matters is the apparent lack of independence of the current Kiev authorities. And let someone seem to be a formality that the vice-president of the United States on a visit to Kiev on the eve of the Slavic assault was planted by the Verkhovna Rada protocol service at the head of the table. In reality, it is in Washington that the decisions that the Kiev putschists are trying to execute are made.

The beginning of a multi-way provocation was laid on April 12 by a visit to Kiev by CIA Director John Brennan. After the visit, the Kiev president-speaker-commander-in-chief Turchinov signed a decree on the start of a “special operation in the South-East”, hardly feeding the illusions about its success. What forces can be counted on and what are the real chances of success of such a “special operation”, - Turchinov had the opportunity to judge not by his own propaganda. And nevertheless - he gave an order, actually signifying the beginning of a civil war.

The first attempt to unleash a massive bloodshed failed. Even in spite of the shooting of the unknown at the entrances to the Slavyansk 13 of April, which was supposed to provoke self-defense and the unit of the Armed Forces standing next to the cordon at the beginning of senseless fratricide. Even despite the landing of "black men" 15 on April at the airport of Kramatorsk, engaged in self-defense. Even despite the provocateurs in Mariupol, who on April 16 staged firing on the territory of the 3057 military unit, causing a return fire and a “counterattack” of the national guards who were there, but against unarmed Mariupol residents. Even despite the Easter provocation 20 April. Did not work. Not so easy to unleash large-scale fratricide.

And now the whole US vice president is visiting Kiev on April 22. And what happens after the visit? That's right, a new "active" stage of multi-way provocation! New high-profile statements by the junta about the determination to end the “terrorist separatists”, new demonstrative movements of the military forces, overflights aviation over settlements - all this is psychological pressure on self-defense. It does not fit into the formula of counter-terrorist operations, which are usually carried out less "noisy". At least in terms of the secrecy of training and movement. Since all the actions of the junta were deliberately demonstrative, and the results are insignificant from a military point of view, it is difficult to believe that the true purpose was a real assault on Slavyansk. It was precisely a provocation - an event designed for a certain reaction of the enemy.

So who and what provoked? Why every time the “active stage” of provocations begins with the visit of representatives of the American colonial administration? And whether the objectives of the provocation?

I dare to assume that the true object of the next stage of the psychological (fictitious) "anti-terrorist operation" is Russia. The Russian leadership was provoked to deploy troops in the South-East of the former Ukraine. And this goal was almost achieved - this psychological operation could lead to a decision on the immediate deployment of troops. But did not lead.

Why the overseas owners of the Kiev junta need this, and why the putschists themselves are ready to provoke, at first glance, the undesirable entry of Russian troops for them, should be discussed separately. But at the moment we can state the following.

1. Having begun active hostilities against the insurgent Southeast, but not having achieved the entry of Russian peacekeepers by this step, the junta fell into a very difficult position. It cannot win a military victory over the rebels and will no longer be able to return territorial integrity by peaceful means.

2. Provocations and attempts to expand the scope of the civil war will continue. Having taken the first irreversible steps, the junta can no longer be inactive. And the insurgent Southeast can no longer be persuaded to return to the former Ukraine.

3. The junta cannot allow referendums to be held in rebel areas. And to destabilize normal life in the South-East, everything possible will be done, including terrorist attacks.

4. Russia will still have to enter peacekeeping troops to end the terror against the inhabitants of the South-East. But not when it is desirable to the enemy, and not in those circumstances that are prepared by the enemy.

Today, Russia has retained the initiative of action. And, as you know, imposing your initiative on the enemy leads to victory. The main thing is that our actions always appear unexpected to the enemy.
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  1. Validator
    Validator April 29 2014 14: 37
    +26
    The deployment of troops will be simultaneously with the arrival of Janek and his order to the troops to remain in the barracks and not to resist. Accordingly, there will be no organized resistance and we will introduce it by Uzhgorod itself. Ours will occupy key points and create roadblocks, and the militia of the Southeast will clean cities
    1. AnaBat
      AnaBat April 29 2014 14: 42
      +47
      The GDP clearly has some kind of plan for Ukraine ... it frustrates the plans of mattresses, and that’s why they are furious!
      1. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq April 29 2014 15: 36
        +23
        Quote: AnaBat
        The GDP clearly has some kind of plan for Ukraine ... it frustrates the plans of mattresses, and that’s why they are furious!

        That's for sure, Uncle Vova’s calculated everything, he will introduce it when the partners are ready, otherwise it’s violence .... wassat
        All the same, I played an amazing combination of GDP in Ukraine, so that the mattresses wouldn’t do it — everything is in Russia's favor, even sanctions .... The people in Ukraine are a little sorry, although after all the misadventures at least some part of the Ukrainians will start to think with their head ....
        1. elmi
          elmi April 29 2014 15: 46
          +13
          Quote: ziqzaq
          The people in Ukraine are a little sorry, although after all the misadventures at least some part of the Ukrainians will start to think with their heads ....

          Of course it’s a pity. But it’s impossible otherwise, some part of the population of Ukraine, should have plenty of freedom so that the brains are a little cleared of euroillusions. It will not be soon, but time heals.
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 29 2014 16: 02
        +1
        Quote: AnaBat
        The GDP clearly has some kind of plan for Ukraine ... it frustrates the plans of mattresses, and that’s why they are furious!


        The "mattress mates" have many reasons to get mad and rush, time is not their ally.
        1. Evgenij.
          Evgenij. April 29 2014 17: 48
          +1
          mattresses need an external war .... or they will start an internal
          1. Roman 57 rus
            Roman 57 rus April 29 2014 23: 55
            0
            I always NEED to wage one two wars. Troops from Afghanistan are withdrawn. Where ????
      3. kare
        kare April 29 2014 16: 09
        +12
        A little off topic, well it hurts a good topic
        On April 26.04.2014, 24, the next launch of the RS-XNUMX YARS intercontinental missile from the Kapustin Yar test site was carried out as part of the Strategic Missile Forces military exercises.

        The missile was supposed to cover the distance in 9 000 km in less than 2 hours. The missile did its job perfectly, but the missile’s flight course officially failed, the missile moved toward the continent of North America, the target is the United States.

        As stated at the Pentagon: Russia was trying to provoke the states into military action that would lead to irreparable.

        US air defense could not take the RS-24 on target even when the missile was less than 2000 km from the country. When the rocket approached a distance of about 500 km, it changed course and flew towards Argentina.

        The Russian Defense Ministry commented on this situation as "A slight misalignment of the missile's flight path, moreover, it was absolutely safe and did not contain an explosive base."

        The Pentagon called Russia's actions provocative and recalled that Russian missiles never gave such failures, not taking into account the Bulava missile, and that they do not believe in the accident of all this.

        Recall that this is not the first time that the United States is unable to ensure its security, in particular the recent case in the Black Sea, when the Russian Su-24 bomber with the support of the radio-electronic warfare system opposed the American missile destroyer Donald Cook.

        The Su-24 using the EW system created irresistible obstacles to the radars and the guidance system of the destroyer, after which for more than an hour it simulated a combat attack, approaching the destroyer at 100 meters.

        The world arms race will always remain with us, said Chuck Heigl, but today we see something else. The United States began to show its weakness and helplessness.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 April 29 2014 16: 15
          +5
          Crap is full. Do you imagine a miss on a target at 1500 km., And the missile was moving towards a nuclear power? And then maneuvering a rocket with a course change of 90 degrees? Someone joked stupidly.
          1. viktorR
            viktorR April 29 2014 17: 36
            +1
            All right, say it. What if it’s true, they took it to fright)))
            1. papas-57
              papas-57 April 29 2014 19: 37
              +1
              `` What if it’s true, they took it for fear. ” Such fear can provoke a retaliatory attack. Suddenly, someone's nerves will not stand it. They don't joke like that.
        2. pexotinec
          pexotinec April 30 2014 07: 24
          0
          So the point is that they could not track the rocket !!!!!!!!!!!!!
      4. Lukich
        Lukich April 29 2014 16: 11
        +6
        Quote: AnaBat
        he breaks the plans of the mattresses, from this they are furious!

        therefore, they impose sanctions, although there is no reason for them. especially the latter. no reason at all.

        http://politruk.tk/blog/1347.html
        1. edge
          edge April 29 2014 16: 29
          +1
          Quote: Lukich
          he breaks the plans of the mattresses, from which they are furious

          since the Yankers strive to find those who will pay their candidate debts only two (Russia-the European Union), China does not count, it's just a factory.
      5. edge
        edge April 29 2014 16: 22
        0
        Quote: AnaBat
        The GDP clearly has some kind of plan for Ukraine ... it frustrates the plans of mattresses, and that’s why they are furious!

        Yes, it’s elementary here; to unite the protest movement, consolidate it, create an apparatus for future management. The gift will always be underestimated, it is only personal experience that is important.
      6. 120352
        120352 April 29 2014 17: 21
        0
        The magnificent strategy of our Supreme is amazing! Russia is returning its ancestral lands without firing a shot, finding new reasons for hostility with anyone, gaining more and more weight and authority in the world! I think Obamko (this is his Ukrainianized last name) will soon surrender to us, and Kerry will surrender to the new Nuremberg.
      7. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul April 29 2014 17: 41
        +1
        The GDP clearly has some kind of plan for Ukraine ...
        So he doesn’t seem to be hiding it, the main point of this plan is to stop financing the current regime of Ukraine through subsidies in the form of gas supplies. And when the pan-ataman Turchinov runs out of pennies, then the entire National Guard will run away, I think they are not there for ideas on the Maidan. hi
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      9. Wanderer H7
        Wanderer H7 April 29 2014 18: 32
        +3
        Quote: AnaBat
        The GDP clearly has some kind of plan for Ukraine ... it frustrates the plans of mattresses, and that’s why they are furious!

        Yes, that's just the point - there is no plan, but there is only an indistinctly wretched expectation (((I sincerely worry about the southeast and am just happy that Crimea is ours, but still how many times the Putin regime has already landed in a puddle. Why are we transferring Ukrainian military equipment from the Crimea ?! Well, well, let it be outdated and move a little there .. but something is moving - and it is going to kill now to the southeast. What the fuck is that? !!! What for??? Why do we give the equipment to CRIMINALS, and not to the legitimate government (which is not in Ukrainian) ??? In the end, why give the equipment NOW, and not when everything settles down (since you decided to be so generous) ??? And the very fact of the transfer is generally an unjustified sign of weakness and inconsistency (since we do not recognize the junta as legitimate, we need to keep the max hard line, and we do it - boats, planes, tanks ...) Tfuuuuuu .... Why are we still sponsoring the junta with gas, for which they do not even think to pay (I'm sure, at no price!), while they also set ultimatums for billions of dollars in debt - return the old price, otherwise we won’t pay. !!! And so they did not pay the old !!! And where is our harsh answer to such pig ultimatums ?! Why was the thief and the insignificance of Serdyukov for more than 4 years? There the paratroopers already wrote an indignant letter to Putin and the government. Find yourself on the search engines
    2. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 April 29 2014 15: 45
      +3
      Quote: Validator
      The deployment of troops will be simultaneously with the arrival of Janek and his order to the troops to remain in the barracks and not to resist. Accordingly, there will be no organized resistance and we will introduce it by Uzhgorod itself. Ours will occupy key points and create roadblocks, and the militia of the Southeast will clean cities

      That's it! I am about Uzhgorod. The author of the article formulated one of the conditions:"4. Russia will still have to send peacekeeping troops to end terror against the inhabitants of the South-East. But not when it is desirable for the enemy, and not in the circumstances prepared by the enemy." And a thousand times - right! And not from the South - East will begin.
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 16: 00
      +3
      Quote: Validator
      The deployment of troops will be simultaneously with the arrival of Yanek ... the militia of the South-East will clear the cities


      I think that with relief, gratitude and accumulated desire, many locals will join the militia of the South-East, from the "cleaned up" cities and regions, including from the power structures (now very many are encrypted and waiting there) and the further, the more such will get bigger and bigger.
    4. potap48a
      potap48a April 29 2014 16: 57
      0
      Well, you're a dreamer, damn it! Do you happen to work at the General Staff Academy?
    5. Wanderer H7
      Wanderer H7 April 29 2014 18: 17
      0
      do you really believe in the "arrival of yanyk"? Does he need it? this cowardly trash and in Russia lives well with his billions ...
    6. Rus2012
      Rus2012 April 29 2014 21: 37
      0
      Quote: Validator
      The deployment of troops will be simultaneously with the arrival of Janek and his order to the troops to remain in the barracks and not to resist.

      the true object of the next stage of the psychological (fictitious) “anti-terrorist operation” is Russia. The Russian leadership was provoked to send troops to the South-East of the former Ukraine.

      It is clear, however, that the plans of the 3,14ndos with the return of Crimea home stalled ...
      But, they continue to be further implemented. Their goal is to force the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine at any cost. And then - "partisan war", sanctions, an attempt to isolate and blame all sins ... In short, to weaken us as much as possible, along with the EU with a boomerang. Then they will be "all white".

      Therefore, the Ukrainian theater of operations should remain peripheral, regional. The main front is to beat 3,14ndos in other areas. On financial - to blame "green candy wrapper" together with the Chinese ...
      At the beginning of concrete concerted actions, the GDP will go to a friend and friend of Xi in May ...
  2. Same lech
    Same lech April 29 2014 14: 43
    +15
    Today, Russia has retained the initiative of action. And, as you know, imposing your initiative on the enemy leads to victory. The main thing is that our actions always appear unexpected to the enemy.


    That's right .... RUSSIA’s hands are untied and there is enough space for maneuver.
    The Kiev junta is weak. The United States is hysterical, EUROPE silently stands aside, not wanting to get into a US gamble.
    In general, the alignment is in our favor and we must slowly and surely crush the Kiev junta.
    1. edge
      edge April 29 2014 16: 37
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The main thing is that our actions always turn out to be unexpected for the enemy

      Putin was a very successful leader of the residency, and therefore you can always hope for an adequate, non-standard, unpredictable decision by the zandos. Moreover, we see this in reality.
  3. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 29 2014 14: 45
    -23%
    They did it: Russia - the troops ... If they do, then only UN troops. Enough for Russia already tyfkat. I put the article "minus". The author is himself a provocateur
    1. johnsnz
      johnsnz April 29 2014 15: 19
      +6
      Yes, I would also like to receive explanations - what are the Russian peacekeepers? Peacekeepers - it was in the Crimea. No shots.
      And the introduction of troops will strengthen the opinion of Russia - the aggressor. And so everyone who is not lazy zombies. Do you want this?
      But to help the fraternal people with help against the self-proclaimed junta - you are always welcome. Many ways, believe me
      1. salamandra2826
        salamandra2826 April 29 2014 15: 41
        +7
        But what after Crimea, without firing, became part of Russia, they shouted, PEACEKEEPERS? Until you die, all the same for us we are aggressors. And they, as M.N. Zadornov will be human rights defenders
        1. johnsnz
          johnsnz April 29 2014 15: 49
          +6
          Who screamed in the Crimea? Crimea initially very competently outlined its position by holding a referendum. There, Russia had the RIGHT to intervene.
          And we are not aggressors for everyone, I assure you. For a bunch of Natsik? And why reinforce this opinion?
      2. Gunia
        Gunia April 29 2014 15: 44
        +5
        Unfortunately, I agree with the author of the article. The inevitability of the Russian Armed Forces coming to Ukraine becomes more obvious. And I won’t be surprised if the question arises between the UN and Russian troops, the Americans will do EVERYTHING Russia enters! Two of their goals become clear. First: drive the wedge between Europe and Russia as hard as possible. Second: turn Ukraine from the Dnieper to the borders of Poland into Morder. And all THIS gives one thing - to stop selling Russian energy to Europe.
        1. johnsnz
          johnsnz April 29 2014 16: 03
          0
          In principle, I agree. The article was on this topic today. Inevitability not sure.
        2. maxxdesign
          maxxdesign April 29 2014 16: 10
          0
          Morder that's for sure! with the center in Pripyat, where they are about to make a nuclear toilet
        3. edge
          edge April 29 2014 16: 41
          0
          Quote: Gunia
          THIS gives one thing - to stop the sale of Russian energy to Europe

          controversial; the "northern stream" is working, and the southern stream will soon be completed. And then - goodbye transit ...........
      3. maxxdesign
        maxxdesign April 29 2014 16: 08
        +1
        it’s written in Russian there) the introduction of troops is needed not when it will be beneficial for mattresses and maidanuts to denigrate Russia even more ... and then when it will be really a defense of the population, so that not a single European and Western message can even utter a our side! ... but unfortunately this will require sacrifices among civilians (there’s no way to get away from this, everything has already been started.
        1. krpmlws
          krpmlws April 29 2014 16: 50
          0
          I think there are two possible conditions for the entry of troops of the Russian Federation: the ukronazi junta decides to go all the way, gathering the right-winged fist in a fist, moves to capture the village with subsequent victims. followed by an official request for help in clearing the territory of the interventionists. Next is a matter of technology.
    2. Homo
      Homo April 29 2014 15: 22
      +6
      Quote: johnsnz
      If introduced, then only the UN.

      Name at least one example of the deployment of UN troops for the benefit of the entire population!
      1. johnsnz
        johnsnz April 29 2014 15: 35
        -5
        Do you think the introduction of troops (any) into foreign territory can lead to the benefit of the population?
        1. tasey
          tasey April 29 2014 15: 43
          +7
          History had to be taught at school, not skipped! When did Donbass, Lugansk, etc., become Russians FOREIGNERS?
          1. johnsnz
            johnsnz April 29 2014 16: 01
            -3
            Who is talking about Donbass and Lugansk? Read carefully! I'm talking about troops on foreign territory. It is always evil.
            1. edge
              edge April 29 2014 16: 45
              +1
              Quote: johnsnz
              Who is talking about Donbass and Lugansk? Read carefully! I'm talking about troops on foreign territory.

              I repeat the preceding read the story-the territory of Novorossia was transferred to Ukraine from the Russian Federation, just as part of the territories was given to Kazakhstan.
        2. kush62
          kush62 April 29 2014 16: 18
          +3
          Do you think the introduction of troops (any) into foreign territory can lead to the benefit of the population?

          And what can you say about the 14th army defending Transnistria?
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 29 2014 16: 23
        +2
        Quote: Homo
        Quote: johnsnz
        If introduced, then only the UN.

        Name at least one example of the deployment of UN troops for the benefit of the entire population!


        Please:
        - Transnistria (though the UN sanction was received later than the CIS sanction);
        - Abkhazia:
        - South Ossetia.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: johnsnz
      ..If you enter, then only UNO

      Americans, is there anything you suggest to introduce to Ukraine?
      1. maxxdesign
        maxxdesign April 29 2014 16: 11
        -1
        not NATO but the UN
    4. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 16: 13
      0
      Quote: johnsnz
      Zadavili: Russia - the troops ... If you enter, then only the UN ...


      Do you propose troops of the United States and other NATO countries under the auspices of the UN (or maybe without this) to enter Ukraine? request am
      The UN Security Council will never give consent to the introduction of peacekeepers (mutual "veto" of the members of the Security Council) to Ukraine. hi
      You are, apparently, a big "liberal". smile
      1. johnsnz
        johnsnz April 29 2014 16: 21
        -1
        Still, the UN and NATO troops are two different things. God forbid from the NATO troops. Yes, and weak to them.
    5. Cynic
      Cynic April 29 2014 17: 20
      +1
      Quote: johnsnz
      .If you enter, it is only UN.

      Does the UN have its own troops?
      Learn to express your opinion!
      The entry of Russian troops into Ukraine under the auspices of the UN peacekeeping force has been repeatedly mentioned, only such a mandate is given by the UN Security Council!
      And not only Russia has the right to veto it!
  4. shaman-25rus
    shaman-25rus April 29 2014 14: 45
    +4
    And if you just equip the golden eagle, give them the equipment and let them go home? This will not be the entry of troops?
  5. Hs487
    Hs487 April 29 2014 14: 45
    +4
    Of course, it is tempting to put an end to the brown plague in Ukraine ... Only now it will be more difficult than in 1945.
    1. salamandra2826
      salamandra2826 April 29 2014 15: 43
      +2
      Here a microsurgeon is needed, for accuracy
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 29 2014 16: 18
        +5
        Quote: salamandra2826
        Here a microsurgeon is needed, for accuracy

        Well Shoigu has many abilities)
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 16: 28
      +1
      Quote: Hs487
      Of course, it is tempting to put an end to the brown plague in Ukraine ... Only now it will be more difficult than in 1945.


      It is difficult, of course, but in Chechnya it was more difficult, and in Georgia, on the contrary, it was easier (if they wanted to, they could easily arrest a tie-eater).
  6. Comintern
    Comintern April 29 2014 14: 46
    +4
    The sooner the better, the quicker Kharkov and Odessa become silty
  7. pedro7707
    pedro7707 April 29 2014 14: 47
    -8
    Maybe you are right:
    Moscow is preparing to strike the main blow at Kiev, which should be captured before May 9, 2014.
    The general military scenario is this:
    In Kiev, airborne landing. The goal is to capture the city center, capture the government block, bridges across the Dnieper, capture the members of the Ukrainian government (primarily Turchinov, Yatsenyuk and Parubiya).
    At the same time, a tank breakthrough is underway. The most likely place for the advance of armored units is the city of Suju, Kursk Region.
    Delivery to Kiev of Yanukovych and the announcement of the restoration of the "legitimate authority of Ukraine."
    The final plan for the capture of Kiev was approved in early April 2014. On April 24, at a special meeting, the offensive start date was confirmed.
    The operation for a tank breakthrough to Kiev was developed by the former chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces, General Lobov, who recently recently was called up for service after his retirement in 1994.
    The most probable date of the beginning of the operation is May 2–3, 2014.
    Putin plans to host a military parade on May 9 in Moscow with captured Kiev and returning Yanukovych.
    Somehow it looms.
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 29 2014 15: 04
      +15
      Maybe you are right:
      Moscow is preparing to strike the main blow at Kiev, which should be captured before May 9, 2014.
      The general military scenario is this:
      In Kiev, airborne landing. The goal is to capture the city center, capture the government block, bridges across the Dnieper, capture the members of the Ukrainian government (primarily Turchinov, Yatsenyuk and Parubiya).
      At the same time, a tank breakthrough is underway. The most likely place for the advance of armored units is the city of Suju, Kursk Region.
      Delivery to Kiev of Yanukovych and the announcement of the restoration of the "legitimate authority of Ukraine."
      The final plan for the capture of Kiev was approved in early April 2014. On April 24, at a special meeting, the offensive start date was confirmed.
      The operation for a tank breakthrough to Kiev was developed by the former chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces, General Lobov, who recently recently was called up for service after his retirement in 1994.
      The most probable date of the beginning of the operation is May 2–3, 2014.
      Putin plans to host a military parade on May 9 in Moscow with captured Kiev and returning Yanukovych.
      Somehow it looms.

      My friend ... admit that you smoke for crap?
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS April 29 2014 15: 16
        +3
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        My friend ... admit that you smoke for crap?

        He has something serious, maybe not even grass. Definitely not grass ....
        1. edge
          edge April 29 2014 16: 49
          0
          Quote: IRBIS
          He has something serious, maybe not even grass. Definitely not grass ...

          and it doesn’t look like crack ... probably new synthetics.
      2. Skaramaks
        Skaramaks April 29 2014 15: 29
        +2
        And he smokes chopped komli from the samosad, insisted on chicken droppings. I got drunk and started screaming at the strategy. The commander pancake.
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      4. tasey
        tasey April 29 2014 15: 44
        +1
        Heroin ... concentrated. After the first line of the comment, you can no longer read.
      5. Lukich
        Lukich April 29 2014 16: 19
        +6
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        My friend ... admit that you smoke for crap?

        Yes, that is Julia.
      6. GRune
        GRune April 29 2014 16: 23
        0
        He smokes a plan ...
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb April 29 2014 15: 15
      +3
      Write fiction. You do it. Like an alternative story))))
    3. a52333
      a52333 April 29 2014 15: 24
      +6
      And what, tanks immediately right? Without a nuclear bombardment? No, not an option.
      First, a vigorous explosion, then another Grad, Pinocchio, and then tanks. bully
    4. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 29 2014 15: 29
      +2
      Some kind of war ... belay wassat
    5. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn April 29 2014 15: 38
      +1
      pedro7707- tie with tanks, don't reveal military secrets
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 15: 48
      +1
      Quote: pedro7707
      pedro7707

      Pedro, it's better to drive than to be persecuted. So yes? laughing
    7. vlad63
      vlad63 April 29 2014 15: 56
      +1
      It sculpts nicely, but there is not enough transcript of the special meeting and Marshal Yazov.
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    9. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign April 29 2014 16: 19
      0
      a dreamer!))) and with such information - as if he himself was present during the development of the plan))))
      if there is any kind of plan, then there is such a sign of secrecy on it that even the mythical agent-007 point would tear at least some small amount of information.
    10. kush62
      kush62 April 29 2014 16: 20
      0
      Suvorov, I know, Kutuzov, I know, Chapaev, I know, pedro7707? I have not heard about such a commander.?
    11. kare
      kare April 29 2014 16: 24
      +1
      That's it.
      Where not to look.
      Everywhere pedro then gomez recourse
      You have to be very pedro that would be to crap such crap fool
    12. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 16: 37
      0
      Quote: pedro7707
      Maybe you are right:
      Moscow is preparing to strike the main blow to Kiev ...
      Putin plans to host a military parade on May 9 in Moscow with captured Kiev and returning Yanukovych.
      Somehow it looms.


      An interesting fantasy (or maybe not a fantasy), I would add to it, the main upper floor of the Kiev office of the SBU should be taken along with the contents (CIA officers and documents), this would not be militarily bad. smile
    13. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 29 2014 17: 09
      +1
      Come on, let's go from the Course, if theoretically we talk about tank wedges and a breakthrough to Kiev, so it should be done not from the east, but starting from the west, instantly cutting off Ukraine from NATO countries (Poland, etc. Sholupeni), from which theoretically NATO forces can advance to meet the Russian troops. Otherwise, the oncoming offensive "ala the division of Poland between the USSR and Germany", but we need ALL Ukraine, if only because there is no difference where NATO troops are stationed, near Kharkov or Lvov, one hell of a missile to Moscow fly the same
  8. Sergg
    Sergg April 29 2014 14: 50
    +14
    The Kremlin is waiting for a referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk Republic. This is the first.
    Second: important and key posts in these republics should be completely taken under the control of the forces of local self-government, with full submission to the army and police. The task for Donbass is daunting, but it must be done for the FUTURE of this region.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 16: 41
      0
      Quote: Sergg
      The Kremlin is waiting for a referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk Republic. ... but this must be done for the FUTURE of this region.


      This is necessary for the future of all Ukraine, moreover, for the future of all Europe!
  9. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 29 2014 14: 53
    +4
    Here is May 9, after the parade, with refueling on the road, in 2 days and ... hi "Hello, and you didn’t expect, you were trying so much" ... wassat
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 29 2014 15: 34
      +2
      It’s quite spectacular! Air Force Victory Parade! To defeat.
  10. grog_bm
    grog_bm April 29 2014 14: 54
    +6
    Yes, people don’t carry any garbage, the reality is much more prosaic ... The junta was not created to restore order, it was created to organize a war in Ukraine, it cannot just start a war not of its own free will, but by the will of an army that does not want to fight . Americans just want to stupidly drain their shale gas to Europe, for this they need the Arab Spring, the war in Ukraine, to organize instability in energy supplies to Europe, saving their own economy. Gas production in Russia 17 tanks and in the US about 100 - who should pay for it ...
    1. Not served
      Not served April 29 2014 15: 10
      +3
      Well, they want to make Europe buy it ... Although in my opinion the crap is complete. Oil is more painful for us, the share of gas export is not so big. We will sell to China, China will not buy expensive, the cost is lower, the manufacturer will run to produce everything in China, you won’t block China, he bought half of Africa and Asia. Boil in their pseudo-world, the US-EU does not work, we need markets, and then China, India and Russia.
      Sailed ....
      1. Sour
        Sour April 29 2014 16: 04
        -1
        Quote: Didn't serve
        China cannot be blocked; it has bought up half of Africa and Asia.

        China itself has more than a third of the share of foreign capital in industry, and almost half in export sectors. They did not buy nichrome, rather, on the contrary.
        Quote: Didn't serve
        China will not buy expensive, the cost is lower,

        China will not buy expensive, but where does the cost? Russian oil does not depend on who it is sold to. Or did you confuse the cost price with the price? In China, taking into account transportation costs (lack of trunk pipelines), the cost of Russian oil will be even higher. But the problem is that there are lower domestic prices for petroleum products. Which, however, can be offset by increasing demand. In Europe, demand for hydrocarbons has long stabilized, while in China it has a long-term upward trend.
        1. Not served
          Not served April 29 2014 22: 46
          0
          The cost of production in China is lower if cheap energy. China itself produces about 200 million tons and is in fourth place in the world. But he doesn’t export oil, because he himself is not enough. And they need gas, but they are very cunning and do not want to buy at European prices.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 16: 46
      0
      Quote: grog_bm
      Yes, people do not carry any garbage, ... Americans just want to stupidly drain their shale gas to Europe ...


      And what, is there anything to merge? Do not carry garbage! To simplify is certainly not a sin, but not as much. request
  11. IRBIS
    IRBIS April 29 2014 14: 58
    +20
    "4. Russia will still have to send peacekeeping troops to end terror against the inhabitants of the South-East. But not when it is desirable for the enemy, and not in the circumstances prepared by the enemy."

    Any troops crossing the border of a sovereign state with any goals and occupying it (or part of the territory) are considered occupational. This is for general development.
    The population in the Southeast is overwhelmingly infantile. How many militia fighters and rally participants are there? And how many people live there? Calculate the ratio and understand that they are not waiting for us with bread and salt. The bulk of those waiting are the elderly. And, to be honest, most of them just want to get a higher Russian pension. And how many will be deceived hopes?
    In any case, Russia will be blamed. We will bring in troops - everything is ruined, broken, etc. etc. We will not bring in the troops - we have betrayed the Russians, the brothers. But they remembered late about their Russianness, but they simply forgot about the betrayal of the people's memory. It was necessary earlier, when the Banderaites were just beginning to raise their heads, when they beat veterans and erected monuments to the "heroes" of Ukraine. But everyone was silent in a rag! Everything was fine! And even now, a good half adheres to the principle: "My hut is on the edge ..."
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 April 29 2014 15: 28
      +4
      Quote: IRBIS
      Any troops crossing the border of a sovereign state with any goals and occupying it (or part of the territory) are considered occupational. This is for general development.
      Even if the president of the "occupied" country asked about it?)) Yanukovych is a legitimate president and nothing can be done about it!
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS April 29 2014 16: 03
        +2
        Quote: bomg.77
        Even if the president of the "occupied" country asked about it?))

        Even in this case, such is the casuistry of international treaties and conventions (Geneva, Hague).
        Occupation (from the Latin occupatio - “seizure, occupation”) in the general case - the occupation by the armed forces of a state of territory not belonging to it, not accompanied by the acquisition of sovereignty over it, usually temporary.
    2. zanoza
      zanoza April 29 2014 15: 28
      +5
      Quote: IRBIS
      In any case, Russia will be blamed. Let’s introduce troops - they ruined everything, broke it, etc. etc. Do not introduce troops - betrayed Russian brothers

      Russians in the southeast are just on average 30-40%. Russian-speaking people
      (60-70% of them) fight for the language and greater independence of the regions IN COMPOSITION Ukraine.
      I.e., essentially this is the internal Ukrainian showdown.
      Russia has voiced its reasons for bringing Peacekeeping forces to the territory of Ukraine, I will not list and repeat them, these reasons, not yetor, more precisely, the position and actions of Russia do not allow the Kiev junta to suppress dissent in the South-East by armed means and to shed "great blood".
      Therefore, the entry of Russian troops in the near future is unlikely to take place.
      If a referendum can be held in Donetsk and Lugansk, the balance of power in these regions will be approximately visible.
    3. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 29 2014 15: 52
      +7
      Quote: IRBIS
      The population in the Southeast is overwhelmingly infantile. How many militia fighters and rally participants are there? And how many people live there? Calculate the ratio and understand that they are not waiting for us with bread and salt. The bulk of those waiting are the elderly. And, to be honest, most of them just want to get a higher Russian pension. And how many will be deceived hopes?

      Alexander -
      good
      Mighty and mature koment military man.
      And then this children's hysteria with couch bravado already tired of the order ...

      Not everything is so simple in the Southeast.
      They themselves must rise, THEmselves.
      We can support them with anything, up to extreme measures.
      There is only one question - what do they need ??? Let determined.
      Wake up. damn, Ukraine, good to run into the rags
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS April 29 2014 16: 05
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Alexander -

        Hi Aleksey! Thanks for the shared opinion!
      2. Bully
        Bully April 29 2014 16: 28
        +5
        Quote: Aleks tv

        Wake up. damn, Ukraine, good to run into the rags

        Whom are you trying to wake? Do you understand that yourself? The percentage of the active population capable of taking up arms in SEI is no more and no less than in Crimea. In Crimea, the conditions were completely different:
        1. The presence of the military base of the Russian Federation with all the ensuing consequences (operational saturation of the peninsula with polite people, etc.)
        2. Convenient geographical position, allowing you to quickly isolate the territory from the continental part.
        No need to force events, everything is going according to plan. Emotions are useless!
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv April 29 2014 16: 45
          +1
          Quote: IRBIS
          Thanks for the shared opinion!

          They are similar, Alexander!
          Glad to hear on the site.
          drinks

          Quote: Bully
          Whom are you trying to wake? Do you understand that yourself?

          Vladimir, I try to shake relatives and friends with my phone calls and skype about the fact that zapadentsy their lifestyle in ALL Ukraine now stretch.
          If they like it, then high live as they want.
          If they don’t feel like it, let’s damn it, they’ll wipe their guns ... otherwise they’ll lose their country. And it’s good to bump into the corners, thinking that someone will solve everything for them.
          Quote: Bully
          No need to force events, everything is going according to plan. Emotions are useless!

          I absolutely agree about "forcing" and "emotions".
          I rarely write about politics, I’m a military man and I don’t just swing a saber, and behind the keyboard ...
          You will not find this in my comments.
          hi
      3. edge
        edge April 29 2014 16: 59
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Wake up. damn, Ukraine, good to run into the rags

        there was an interlocutor in Melitopol, he says, but it’s not interesting to me that there grandmas are yelling at me on the net ......
    4. salamandra2826
      salamandra2826 April 29 2014 15: 53
      +1
      Would the ACF also be an occupational one, and Guantanamo? I agree with the ending. Even in the USSR, when my father came to visit his brothers in Kramatorsk, Kremennoe etc. slipped that he was, "I am a Nazi muzzle,"
    5. krpmlws
      krpmlws April 29 2014 17: 06
      0
      Quote: IRBIS
      "4. Russia will still have to send peacekeeping troops to end terror against the inhabitants of the South-East. But not when it is desirable for the enemy, and not in the circumstances prepared by the enemy."

      Any troops crossing the border of a sovereign state with any goals and occupying it (or part of the territory) are considered occupational. This is for general development.
      The population in the Southeast is overwhelmingly infantile. How many militia fighters and rally participants are there? And how many people live there? Calculate the ratio and understand that they are not waiting for us with bread and salt. The bulk of those waiting are the elderly. And, to be honest, most of them just want to get a higher Russian pension. And how many will be deceived hopes?
      In any case, Russia will be blamed. We will bring in troops - everything is ruined, broken, etc. etc. We will not bring in the troops - we have betrayed the Russians, the brothers. But they remembered late about their Russianness, but they simply forgot about the betrayal of the people's memory. It was necessary earlier, when the Banderaites were just beginning to raise their heads, when they beat veterans and erected monuments to the "heroes" of Ukraine. But everyone was silent in a rag! Everything was fine! And even now, a good half adheres to the principle: "My hut is on the edge ..."

      For the most part, the people of the southeast need to feed their families, so they go to work, not to the barricades. There is no need to slander the Russian people of the southeast, they are no better and no worse than us living in the Russian Federation. The soul of the majority is for independence from Ukraine, for the preservation of Russian history, culture, language.2 Who will blame the Russian Federation? The West? And you do not care? The West, in any case, will blame Russia and will blame Russia. And what do you propose? do you need to disentangle yourself?
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS April 29 2014 17: 42
        0
        Quote: krpmlws
        And what do you suggest?

        I propose to provide all feasible and, most importantly, adequate assistance.
        Let's bring in troops to save a woman (grandmother) whose overgrown son (granddaughter) is jumping on the Maidan. At the same time, we will bang this son (granddaughter) when he will shoot at our soldiers or run to the tank with a "cocktail". Tell you what will happen next? And there are about half of these sons with their grandchildren, and some people will have to finish. And what will their fathers do, huh?
        All of the current leadership of Ukraine is now only waiting for such a development of events, because it will benefit them, as well as the West.
        1. krpmlws
          krpmlws April 29 2014 21: 59
          +1
          You have not answered the essence of the question. I gave an explanation for the weak activity of the majority of the people. You are silent on this issue. Finally, they wrote that it is still necessary to provide assistance, but "feasible and adequate help" is what: weapons, medicines, food or moral support? All this help must be provided (by the way, I was minded for this statement), but will it be sufficient to resolve the conflict, to clean up the invaders? If thanks to this help it will be possible to resolve the situation, and thank God, but if not? Understand, that it is sometimes impossible to achieve a result without costs, albeit serious. By law, the future of Russia, there is a serious motive for decisive action. Your tears about the consequences of the possible death of a right-wing sectarian are inappropriate. In addition, the peacekeeping forces are not intended to conduct direct hostilities. Squeezing out or partial disarmament of the interventionists, with minimal casualties. If they waited, then why did they cancel the assault when the Russian troops Did they start exercises near the border? Everything is not so simple. The main goal of the West is to stake out Ukraine for itself, there is no benefit for them from the introduction of Russian troops. Well, they will shout, they will introduce new sanctions, but they will not achieve their goal. For the West, the Russian Federation is needed integrated into the world system on colonial terms, all these sanctions, the notorious Iron Curtain are only at the hands of Russia. That is why the West is so raging in an attempt to find a compromise for itself: to punish, to infringe, but not to miss its own profit.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS April 30 2014 10: 44
            0
            Quote: krpmlws
            Understand that sometimes it is impossible to achieve results without costs, albeit serious ones.

            The collapse of Russia, how are the states costs? And it will happen without fail if we go there.
            1. krpmlws
              krpmlws April 30 2014 21: 30
              0
              It’s hard for me to estimate the costs in full. The decision of the Russian government on the readiness to send troops to Ukraine suggests that no catastrophic consequences are expected for the Russian Federation. I hope our government will act prudently and if we decide to send troops, it will be clear to ourselves about possible consequences of this step. You think you understand that NATO’s surrender of Ukraine is unacceptable to the Russian Federation, this will jeopardize the country's defense. For the Russian Federation it is a matter of life and death, the sovereignty of the state is tilted. Therefore, the Russian government acts so decisively, so we have to go to the inevitable costs. (as they say, Russia does not start wars, it ends them), we cannot lose it, because this will be the end of Russia.
    6. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 17: 15
      0
      Quote: IRBIS
      "4. Russia will still have to send peacekeeping troops to end terror against the inhabitants of the South-East. But not when it is desirable for the enemy, and not in the circumstances prepared by the enemy."

      Any troops crossing the border of a sovereign state with any goals and occupying it (or part of the territory) are considered occupation ...


      On the one hand, you are certainly right. But, is there still a sovereign state called Ukraine? In my opinion, this is already the territory of a former, but not completed state, covered by a civil war. The entry of troops into such territory at the official request of the expelled from the country, by forces subordinate to another foreign state (collaborators), the only legitimate authority, in my opinion - is no longer occupation, but voluntary assistance in restoring and protecting sovereignty. hi
    7. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 29 2014 21: 01
      0
      Quote: IRBIS

      Any troops crossing the border of a sovereign state with any goals and occupying it (or part of the territory) are considered occupational. This is for general development.
      The population in the Southeast is overwhelmingly infantile. How many militia fighters and rally participants are there? And how many people live there? Calculate the ratio and understand that they are not waiting for us with bread and salt. The bulk of those waiting are the elderly. And, to be honest, most of them just want to get a higher Russian pension. And how many will be deceived hopes?

      Quote: Aleks tv
      And then this children's hysteria with couch bravado already tired of the order ...

      Thank you gentlemen, otherwise I got the impression that the mind left the Russians ...
      One can only hear "blood! Blood! Blood!"
  12. mackonya
    mackonya April 29 2014 14: 59
    +3
    The main thing here is to do it quickly and at the right time, and it would be possible at the same time as Yanukovych returned to Kharkov.
    1. salamandra2826
      salamandra2826 April 29 2014 15: 59
      +1
      The banner is not important .. V.V. rightly said that he had already "burned out." And for some residents who still believe in us, he is a corrupt official.
  13. upasika1918
    upasika1918 April 29 2014 15: 03
    +13
    The main thing is that the answer is unpredictable.
  14. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX April 29 2014 15: 03
    +3
    With liberal coexistence, Ukraine will never be seduced by 100%, but with the forceful version it’s easy. Yes, Russia will receive the southeast, but for that, NATO will receive the whole west, and possibly the center, and will dispose of them without restrictions. In any situation, Ukrainians will suffer the most.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 17: 33
      0
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      With liberal coexistence, Ukraine will never be seduced by 100%, but with the forceful version it’s easy. Yes, Russia will receive the southeast, but for that, NATO will receive the whole west, and possibly the center, and will dispose of them without restrictions. In any situation, Ukrainians will suffer the most.


      NATO will not go to the official entry of troops, it can use the forces of PMCs to the maximum; they do not need a direct clash with the Russian army.
      The deployment of troops is unlikely to be limited only to the territory of the Southeast, for example, to protect the transit of energy and other goods and passenger traffic from the actions of extremist gangs, or to ensure the return of the legally elected president to Kiev (the Americans did this many times).
      Ukrainians are already suffering and will suffer, the question is in which case less and in which more.
  15. Sergg
    Sergg April 29 2014 15: 05
    +2
    The entry of Russian troops is possible at the request of the authorities in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

    Power structures must be fully formed there.

    And there should be a will of the people in the form of a referendum.

    Or a lot of blood of civilians as in South Ossetia, but I really want this option to not happen, since human life is priceless.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 29 2014 15: 44
      +1
      Quote: Sergg
      The entry of Russian troops is possible at the request of the authorities in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.


      Not the area - the Republic. And even in this case it is very doubtful legally ..
  16. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 29 2014 15: 05
    +3
    All the same, Russia will have to send peacekeeping troops to end the terror against the inhabitants of the Southeast. But not when it is desired by the enemy, and not in the circumstances that are prepared by the enemy.

    It is necessary to give time to objectively prove itself to the Donetsk People's Republic, so that all parties to the conflict recognize the fact of its existence. Not official recognition, but the realization by all parties that it exists. And everything goes to this. Signs of this: whole territories uncontrolled by the Kiev authorities (Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, etc. For example, the Germans, in order to help out their would-be military, supposedly observers, will negotiate with the people's militia. And this is already the fact of this recognition. This recognition and the realization that the DPR is a reality, Russia will untie its hands and will have scope for choosing further actions: from providing humanitarian assistance to peacekeeping operations. The most important thing will not be accusations of occupation. there will be a division of spheres of influence (Yalta-2) or Russia's carte blanche for actions in southeast Ukraine, and this will happen without the participation of Kiev (I hope Lavrov will put pressure on the "western partners".
    1. Fevrrr
      Fevrrr April 29 2014 15: 36
      +1
      Quote: surovts.valery

      For example, the Germans, in order to help out their unfortunate military, supposedly observers, will negotiate precisely with the people's militia. And this is already a fact of this recognition.

      Sorry, but your argument indicates only the failure of the junta as a governing body and authority. For the Germans will not negotiate through the junta, but directly. Alas, this has nothing to do with recognition IMHO. After all, the DNI militias were called terrorists. So they will negotiate as terrorists. No one was negotiating with the Somali government because of incidents involving the seizure of ships by local pirates. There would be representatives of the Russian Foreign Ministry to hold a meeting with militias. Discuss ways of de-escalation, etc., etc. This is what I understand. So that the meeting would be with a large gathering of various media. Naturally, there should not be any results (the junta, in fact, does not comply with the Geneva agreements), but it would not hurt to talk with serious people. Offset of Russia, since steps have been taken to de-escalate. Set off to the militias. Another minus of the junta is not to invite them to the negotiation process.
  17. Clueless
    Clueless April 29 2014 15: 07
    +2
    Relax, it will all start after May 9, because the holiday was banned, but people will come out to celebrate it, Natsik will come out right there, riots will begin - they will show on TV around the world (at least they will try) how veterans and their relatives are beaten. After that, we will bend them hard, for there will be an occasion, like Georgia at one time.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 29 2014 15: 47
      +3
      Quote: Bad
      Relax, it will all start after May 9, because the holiday was banned, but people will come out to celebrate it, Natsik will come out right there, riots will begin - they will show on TV around the world (at least they will try) how veterans and their relatives are beaten. After that, we will bend them hard, for there will be an occasion, like Georgia at one time.


      Where will they show? WORLDWIDE?!!! In the USA, they will especially show ...
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 29 2014 16: 28
        +6
        Quote: nahalenok911
        They will especially show in the USA ..

        and they won’t especially try in the geyrop ...
  18. Leshka
    Leshka April 29 2014 15: 09
    +1
    you need to do it all at the right time
  19. anfil
    anfil April 29 2014 15: 12
    +3


    Special Report (28.04.2014)
  20. Predator-74
    Predator-74 April 29 2014 15: 17
    +3
    I wonder if Obama really is such a scoundrel or does he just stupidly believe that this is the way to do it?
    1. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign April 29 2014 16: 16
      0
      Obama is just another Wall Street multi-mogul puppet
  21. Predator-74
    Predator-74 April 29 2014 15: 19
    0
    Putin kind of said that he (Obama) seems like a good guy, but he acts like a real one.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 29 2014 16: 13
      -2
      Simple you guys ... Like pants with ties.
      What does "good or bad" have to do with it when it comes to geopolitics?
      We have our own interests, they have their own. And everyone defends his interests.
      What is incomprehensible here?
      Suppose I’m the head of a company. I know that the head of a competing company is a very good and sincere person. But what does this change for me? Should I help him? Well, I’ll help if it’s profitable for me ... And if it’s not profitable?
      When you are the head of the company, you will understand everything.
  22. KAVS
    KAVS April 29 2014 15: 20
    +2
    Yes, how do we know whether or not to introduce peacekeepers, Kerry and Lavrov agree on what we also agree, etc. .... The main thing for us is that all this be in the interests of ordinary citizens (especially those who live there) and civilian casualties to avoid the population and not to attract GREAT WAR !!!
  23. bulvas
    bulvas April 29 2014 15: 22
    +2
    The question arises:

    in a "country" where there are so many "glorious heroes" who know how to do something on their own?

    Does anyone remember any useful things for the "state" in the days when the "state" was "independent"?

  24. mamont5
    mamont5 April 29 2014 15: 23
    +1
    "Russia will still have to send peacekeeping troops to end the terror against the inhabitants of the South-East. But not when it is desirable for the enemy, and not in the circumstances prepared by the enemy."

    This will happen either by force, after the shedding of a lot of blood, or after a referendum and the proclamation of an independent Donetsk (or East Ukrainian) republic.
    1. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS April 29 2014 17: 16
      +1
      mamont5 NO OFFENSE, just "tovoy post'a" WITH THE BORDER ... smile
      QUESTION EVERYTHING - When the USSR was sifted in 1991, who then in the World and we looked at the laws ... ???
      CORRECTLY - NOBODY.
      Therefore, it is not fucking even now to talk about "laws, legitimacy, circumstances" - WHAT IS TAKEN FROM THE BATTLE IS HOLY! This Outskirts - Russian land, and let the United States look after Mexico and Canada. "Peacekeepers", mlyn ...! negative
  25. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho April 29 2014 15: 27
    +1
    Quote: anfil

    Special Report (28.04.2014)

    I respect old Brzezinski: he says what he thinks. Very rare in our time.
    1. Vladimir1960
      Vladimir1960 April 29 2014 15: 29
      +4
      Notorious sv .. ch, but what a character! Real enemy! Only a strong person can afford to have a strong enemy.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 15: 50
      +1
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      I respect old Brzezinski

      And Hitler you do not cause respect? MINUS
      1. Fevrrr
        Fevrrr April 29 2014 16: 18
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And Hitler you do not cause respect?

        It depends on which side you look at. If you look at him as a person who brought grief and death to my people - no, there is only hatred. But the same as for those Germans and Europeans who stood under the banner of Hitler. But as you know, every coin has two sides. The second side of Hitler is patriotism and nationalism. In a relatively short time, he raised Germany from its knees (Treaty of Versailles) and made it the strongest in Europe. He made the nation healthier, created, albeit a pernicious, in the end, but a nationwide idea / ideology. He was able to unite people and stories. In general, if we discard the "crime against nature and humanity" then Hitler has something to respect and there is something to learn IMHO. Well, about Brzezinski - the same Hitler (figuratively). Just what would you say if he was Russian and led and defended a pro-Russian policy? Well that is Alaska for us is an outpost of Russia in North America. A new world order with Russian hegemony will be built against the United States, at the expense of the United States and on the wreckage of the United States. I would applaud such a person with my ears, would you?
  26. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 April 29 2014 15: 32
    +2
    "And let it seem to someone a formality that the US Vice President, during his visit to Kiev on the eve of the Slavic assault, was planted by the protocol service of the Verkhovna Rada at the head of the table."

    All according to Freud.
    1. edge
      edge April 29 2014 17: 16
      0
      Quote: nahalenok911
      All according to Freud

      who has a pussy more and that sweeter piece .....
  27. Turk
    Turk April 29 2014 15: 36
    +1
    Quote: johnsnz
    Yes, I would also like to receive explanations - what are the Russian peacekeepers? Peacekeepers - it was in the Crimea. No shots.
    And the introduction of troops will strengthen the opinion of Russia - the aggressor. And so everyone who is not lazy zombies. Do you want this?
    But to help the fraternal people with help against the self-proclaimed junta - you are always welcome. Many ways, believe me

    And then how will it look? ... The German armed forces can use their elite KSK special forces detachment against militias in Slavyansk. The newspaper Bild notes that the unit has already been put on alert and is awaiting orders. The author of the article notes that there are four German citizens in the city who are also military, and Kiev’s negotiations for their release were unsuccessful.
    1. edge
      edge April 29 2014 17: 20
      0
      Quote: turk
      Yes, I would also like to receive explanations - what are the Russian peacekeepers? Peacekeepers - it was in the Crimea. No shots.

      ..... more Russian peacekeepers are in Transnistria, more Russian peacekeepers are in South Ossetia, more Russian peacekeepers are in Yugoslavia ...
  28. Komsomolec80
    Komsomolec80 April 29 2014 15: 47
    +2
    Judging by the fact that the situation in the Southeast is developing frankly sluggish, no troops will enter there. Now in the Donbass, most likely, serious work is underway to organize the work of local and people's authorities and provide them with material assistance. The junta is discouraged, the owner’s command cannot fulfill, the information fuse is no longer enough, it is time to pay salaries and pensions, and the treasury is empty. At the same time, ours carefully monitor the situation and politely wait.
  29. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav April 29 2014 15: 48
    +2
    There will be no input. That would be an ordinary setup.
    Only a full-scale civil war can be the reason for the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine.
    Or the occupation of Ukraine by NATO.
    The rest will be waiting and waiting! With the hope that it will resolve itself with a non-nuclear and non-aligned status.
    Creating a real NATO-Russia border is not part of Russia's plans.
    And people can wait for anything as long as they want. Chaos is on hand to both sides. It is not known to anyone more.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 17: 56
      0
      Quote: Dan Slav
      ...
      Creating a real NATO-Russia border is not part of Russia's plans.
      ...


      There are real NATO-Russia borders, for example: Russia-Poland in the Kaliningrad region, or Russia-USA in the Bering Strait ...
  30. msv
    msv April 29 2014 16: 15
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: IRBIS
    The population in the Southeast is overwhelmingly infantile. How many militia fighters and rally participants are there? And how many people live there? Calculate the ratio and understand that they are not waiting for us with bread and salt. The bulk of those waiting are the elderly. And, to be honest, most of them just want to get a higher Russian pension. And how many will be deceived hopes?

    Alexander -
    good
    Mighty and mature koment military man.
    And then this children's hysteria with couch bravado already tired of the order ...

    Not everything is so simple in the Southeast.
    They themselves must rise, THEmselves.
    We can support them with anything, up to extreme measures.
    There is only one question - what do they need ??? Let determined.
    Wake up. damn, Ukraine, good to run into the rags


    Without external support, he won’t wake up. I’m not talking about troop deployment, but, for example, Igor Strelkov and Esma like. The attempts of Kharkov, Odessa, Kherson are quite modest. Kiev skillfully holds power here. The former elite of these regions betrayed them. Only those who were born were transplanted like kittens, the rest fell silent, supposedly focusing.
    I do not particularly share optimism and especially cheers-patriotism. But it is perfectly obvious that Russia cannot give up this Russian space to degenerate into Western nationalism. This will lead to irreversible consequences.
    Therefore, it will not work peacefully and quietly, I think it will be with blood and loudly.
  31. 51064
    51064 April 29 2014 16: 24
    +1
    The current situation in Slavyansk and the Southeast
  32. crambol
    crambol April 29 2014 16: 25
    +1
    Quote: kare
    A little off topic, well it hurts a good topic
    On April 26.04.2014, 24, the next launch of the RS-XNUMX YARS intercontinental missile from the Kapustin Yar test site was carried out as part of the Strategic Missile Forces military exercises. Etc.


    Source! Where does infa come from? Already painfully sensational, not linden?
  33. demotivator
    demotivator April 29 2014 16: 26
    +1
    Provocations and attempts to expand the scale of the civil war will continue.

    Slavyansk can attack the troops of Germany.
    According to the largest German newspaper Bild, the FRG authorities are working on the release of NATO countries officers detained in Slavyansk by the forces of their special forces. KSK army special forces and GSG9 police special squad can take part in the operation. Representatives of the Ukrainian special services admitted to the newspaper that they could not count on their special forces, since most of their personnel did not want to shoot compatriots. At the same time, Kiev is not eager to use KSK and GSG9. It is hard to imagine what the very fact of the participation of German troops in the hostilities in Ukraine could lead to.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 29 2014 17: 49
      0
      Quote: demotivator
      Provocations and attempts to expand the scale of the civil war will continue.

      Slavyansk can attack the troops of Germany.
      ... It is hard to imagine what the very fact of the participation of German troops in the hostilities in Ukraine could lead to.


      Do you think you have to take Berlin again? request
  34. demotivator
    demotivator April 29 2014 16: 27
    +2
    Obama will not give Ukraine weapons.
    US President Barack Obama said he would refrain from delivering weapons to Ukraine because he did not consider it appropriate. He said that Washington will be able to achieve its goals in Ukraine through political and economic pressure on Moscow. For his part, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu assured American counterpart Chuck Hagel that if the Ukrainian army does not begin to clean up the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, then the Russian armed forces will not intervene.
  35. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 29 2014 16: 32
    +2
    The main thing is that the GDP is not late with the input, but it is best to help initially with specialists, organizers, otherwise the rebels have these problems, and we must do this all over the southeast at the same time.
  36. sop.ov
    sop.ov April 29 2014 16: 38
    0
    Quote: Bully
    Whom are you trying to wake? Do you understand that yourself? The percentage of the active population capable of taking up arms in SEI is no more and no less than in Crimea. In Crimea, the conditions were completely different:
    1. The presence of the military base of the Russian Federation with all the ensuing consequences (operational saturation of the peninsula with polite people, etc.)
    2. Convenient geographical position, allowing you to quickly isolate the territory from the continental part.
    No need to force events, everything is going according to plan. Emotions are useless!


    To the point of the protesters. Those who know how to fight and who know how to hold weapons are different people. The former and so with weapons, while the latter are still armed with their own indignation or a shank from a shovel.
    Sincerely, resident of the peaceful hero city of Slavyansk. hi
  37. crambol
    crambol April 29 2014 16: 46
    0
    Quote: demotivator
    Obama will not give Ukraine weapons.


    Obama will not. The Pentagon will give through its subordinate structures.

  38. sokrat7
    sokrat7 April 29 2014 17: 19
    +1
    There will be no input, sure.
  39. Penzyac
    Penzyac April 29 2014 17: 42
    0
    They just said that Germany is ready to send its special forces to Slavyansk (supposedly to release the captured NATO officers). I think if they introduce it, they risk themselves staying there without even having time to evacuate. At the same time, Merkel risks getting anti-war and anti-government demonstrations in her country. Because, such an operation cannot be kept secret, and the Germans themselves really do not want to fight the Russians (memory, however).
  40. santush
    santush April 29 2014 17: 48
    0
    Junta-nah. Russia-glory !!!!!!!!!!!
  41. serge
    serge April 29 2014 17: 53
    0
    - Monya, I don’t understand for our Ukraine at all. Everyone insists that we are at war with Russia!
    - And sho?
    - So far the results of the Ukrainian-Russian war are disappointing. Losses of Ukraine: 7 tanks, 1 self-propelled howitzer, 10 armored vehicles, 1 helicopter and 1 aircraft. More than 2 million people were captured.
    - And sho?
    - The Russian army still hasn’t come to the war!
  42. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka April 29 2014 18: 21
    0
    Nor will there be any troop deployment ....
    But strange things will start to happen on the territory of Ukraine: Ukrainian security officials, foreign military advisers, politicians and hundreds of law enforcement officers will disappear ..... Who, what and how will remain a secret ....
  43. Wanderer H7
    Wanderer H7 April 29 2014 18: 36
    -2
    I am sincerely worried about the southeast and just happy that Crimea is ours, but still how many times the Putin regime has already landed in a puddle. Why are we transferring Ukrainian military equipment from the Crimea ?! Well, well, let it be outdated and not much moving there .. but something is moving - and it is going to kill now to the southeast. What the fuck is that? !!! What for??? Why do we give the equipment to CRIMINALS, and not to the legitimate government (which is not in Ukrainian) ??? In the end, why give the equipment NOW, and not when everything settles down (since you decided to be so generous) ??? And the very fact of the transfer is generally an unjustified sign of weakness and inconsistency (since we don’t recognize the junta as legitimate, we have to keep the max hard line, and we do it - boats, planes, tanks ...) Tfuuuuuu ... Why do we we are still sponsoring the junta with gas, for which they don’t even think of paying (I’m sure, at no price!), and they also set ultimatums for billions of dollars of debt - return the old price, otherwise we won’t pay. !!! So and so did not pay the old !!! And where is our tough answer to such pig ultimatums ?! Why was the thief and the insignificance of Serdyukov for more than 4 years? There the paratroopers already wrote an indignant letter to Putin and the government. Find yourself on the search engines
  44. msv
    msv April 29 2014 19: 03
    +2
    Wanderer H7 (2)

    My minus. I think that they are wrong and not so much because of the "Putin regime" as from the general semantic message. According to your need to line up a pig and go to Kiev (or as many suggest to Berlin). Well, estimate at least the composition of the forces of the United States, NATO and Russia. You can enter Ukraine only when it is impossible otherwise or when there are prerequisites for a lightning-fast, relatively bloodless operation, that is, at the right time.
    They began to give the Crimean equipment, since there was nothing useful, but they suspended the transfer after Kiev began the military operation. Well, also about gas. Indeed, in addition to the junta, there are people, enterprises that still need to be kept afloat. Etc.
    1. Wanderer H7
      Wanderer H7 April 29 2014 20: 55
      0
      msv, What can I say - the Russian land is not deprived not only of talents, but also of idiots. In the latter case, you are it. Well, I just cited iron arguments about the hardware, but you - some kind of slurred verbiage ... About the balance of power in general is nonsense - how did the Crimea turn out to be ours then? - Yes, simply because the population was drawn to Russia and we WERE NOT in our own right to refuse it. The same is true for the southeast, and no one will dare to object to us by force. Guess the moment, when is everything bloodless? So now what ???? A bunch of militias, occupied buildings, a circle of tricolors and calls for help from the authorities of the DPR and Lugansk ... What is even more successful then? But if we chew snot - so NATO WILL EXACTLY AND WILL BE LIKE ONCE ((((When did they at least disdain cynicism of situations, deceitful actions, execution of legitimate leaders, playing with fascists / Nazis and lightning of their actions? He’ll put his rockets near Kharkov and Lugansk. If the same arguments as yours prevail among the Kremlin rats. The 5th column is essentially ... Yes, and about the gas. The Germans, punctual Germans calculated that from the moment they found it vile being independent of its independence, i.e., for 23 years - Russia sponsored it in the form of gas discounts, supplies of free equipment, terms of industrial cooperation that are favorable to us and disadvantageous for us, interest-free loans (which were often often written off later), and so on - $ 250 billion. Think about it! More than 10 billion a year! Torn from your retirees, underinvested in their own development-to continue to do this now, when in Kiev a fascist junta ??? Yes, Putin is a traitor simply, there’s another word you won’t even find (((
  45. Wanderer H7
    Wanderer H7 April 29 2014 21: 15
    0
    Quote: PENZYAC
    Quote: Dan Slav
    ...
    Creating a real NATO-Russia border is not part of Russia's plans.
    ...


    There are real NATO-Russia borders, for example: Russia-Poland in the Kaliningrad region, or Russia-USA in the Bering Strait ...

    Well, they forgot to mention the border with three NATO Baltic fascist ulcers
  46. 51064
    51064 April 29 2014 21: 30
    0
    Quote: 51064
    The current situation in Slavyansk and the Southeast


    And I was right in the next branch
  47. Trinity
    Trinity April 29 2014 22: 47
    0
    Putin plays by his own rules, calculates his moves and does not forget about the possible moves of the enemy. Americans through the juntics are trying to impose their initiative on him, but so far they have not succeeded.
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  49. Free Island
    Free Island April 30 2014 03: 20
    -1
    Putin has a plan - so that Turchinov and Yaytsenyukh stop smoking the plan!)))