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Fighting under the Ukrainian Soledar, security forces kidnapped the militia

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15 paratroopers landed near the Volodarsky mine, which has stored large reserves since Soviet times weapons since the First and Second World Wars, reports RIA News.

Fighting under the Ukrainian Soledar, security forces kidnapped the militia


The landing of the Ukrainian army, destroying the militia checkpoint and capturing a prisoner, retreated from the battle site near Soledar, reports RIA News from the scene.

In the evening, near the roadblock, which blocked the road from the route Kharkiv - Rostov to the Volodarsky mine (10 kilometers from Soledar, 40 kilometers from Slavyansk), paratroopers landed from a helicopter. According to eyewitnesses, they were 15 people. Since Soviet times, large stocks of weapons from the First and Second World Wars have been stored at the mine. According to experts, there could be from 1 to 3 millions of weapons. The task of the roadblock was not to allow the National Guard to the warehouses.

At the checkpoint at this moment four people were on duty, all without weapons. Having wounded one militiaman, the attackers took two prisoners. However, one of them on the way to the helicopter managed to escape and escape. The other two militia also fled.

To the place of the battle, miners began to flock from the surrounding mines, many of which support the idea of ​​federalizing Ukraine. The miners armed themselves with shovels, crowbars and pipes. Seeing the miners, the attackers preferred to dive back into the helicopter and fly away. They fired several shots into the air.

Now about a hundred local residents have gathered at the battlefield, there are calls to restore the checkpoint in order to prevent Ukrainian soldiers and employees of the National Guard from entering the mine. Data on the dead has not yet been reported.
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  1. lemal
    lemal April 27 2014 06: 28
    +6
    Pipe the pipe in one place. Ferrets !!!
    1. svetlomor
      svetlomor April 27 2014 06: 34
      +40
      The task of the checkpoint was to prevent the National Guard from accessing the warehouses.
      Isn’t it easier at first ourselves to stock up on warehouses, and then not to allow the National Guard ?!
      1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy April 27 2014 06: 59
        +9
        Yes, go and already stocked up. The tactics were chosen correctly - they stand at checkpoints without weapons - they are civilians, not "militants - terrorists", and weapons are in a stash, in case of emergency.
        1. avt
          avt April 27 2014 09: 21
          +21
          Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          The tactics were chosen correctly - they stand at checkpoints without weapons - they are civilians, not "militants - terrorists", and weapons are in a stash, in case of emergency.

          Herace tactics! Captured and killed on the counter catch up! ??? What are you about ??? The jokes were over, it’s not only the unarmed ones that are specifically captured — they are shot! While headquarters are being created in Donetsk, who’s the most popular governor in Lugansk, Mozgovoy and Bolotov have come to their senses and engaged in the most effective tactics in such a situation - small terror of the population with very specific victims and a change of leadership loyal local police leaders! They quietly crush as much as possible, while self-helpers clap their eyes at gatherings around roadblocks due to the lack of clear guidance on actions. But in Slavyansk, owing to the circumstances, they are more or less keeping the situation. What is the use of Bolotov doing divorces every day near the SBU!? We would have sent the newly appointed police chiefs in villages and small towns, taken them into custody, and set up intelligence work among the population for strangers and sympathizers for those in Kiev. ... la! They can’t figure it out for themselves - let them ask how local self-defenders did in Crimea! The main amendment is to bring in visiting migrants, law enforcement officers and mercenaries immediately when trying to provide armed resistance and flight.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair April 27 2014 08: 13
        +9
        Quote: svetlomor
        Isn’t it easier at first ourselves to stock up on warehouses, and then not to allow the National Guard ?!

        According to various sources, the stockpile of reserves located in the mine workings of the Volodarsky mine (well-known kitchen salt) 1 to 1,3 million (!!!!!!) units of small arms ...
        The weapon is true of the civil and WWII period ("Mosinka", "Mauser", "TT",
        "PPSh", "DP", etc.), but everything is in perfect condition ...
        1. saag
          saag April 27 2014 08: 28
          +3
          interesting, but are there leather jackets there too? :-)
          1. Validator
            Validator April 27 2014 12: 14
            +4
            Quote: saag
            interesting, but are there leather jackets there too? :-)

            Well, I definitely saw Maxim there on the barricades. They probably took it from the museum. Already cooler than the Maidan catapult
          2. Tra-ta-ta
            Tra-ta-ta April 27 2014 15: 17
            +7
            "mosinka" farts well ..! the vest right through.
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 27 2014 09: 23
        +4
        Quote: svetlomor
        Isn’t it easier at first ourselves to stock up on warehouses, and then not to allow the National Guard ?!

        Well, probably there are no fools, they understand that when they attack the warehouses they will all be shot. And the presence of a huge number of trunks does not guarantee the presence of ammunition. What is the use of a Mauser rifle without cartridges?
      4. Sandov
        Sandov April 27 2014 12: 17
        +8
        At the checkpoint at this moment four people were on duty, all without weapons. Having wounded one militiaman, the attackers took two prisoners. However, one of them on the way to the helicopter managed to escape and escape. The other two militia also fled.

        But is it not time to arm the whole Southeast. After all, Natsik on the sly destroy Sakma combat-ready lads.
    2. Horde
      Horde April 27 2014 10: 02
      +9
      and the mine from Soviet times has kept large stockpiles of weapons since the First and Second World Wars. According to experts, there can be from 1 to 3 million weapons.


      Well, if there are mosquitoes at the mine, it’s better than snipers and it’s not necessary to hit 800-1000m, but it’s slaughter that will pierce the helicopter, but ours without weapons?
  2. Hikar
    Hikar April 27 2014 06: 30
    +16
    Yes, it’s time to open the warehouses by now
  3. pv1005
    pv1005 April 27 2014 06: 34
    +15
    Some "strange terrorists" are guarding a warehouse with weapons without weapons. With so many weapons in their assets, they repel attacks with shovels and crowbars. But progressive humanity will scream that terrorists have seized and plundered the warehouse.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 27 2014 06: 54
      +9
      Quote: pv1005
      Some "strange terrorists" are guarding a warehouse with weapons without weapons. With so many weapons in their assets, they repel attacks with shovels and crowbars. But progressive humanity will scream that terrorists have seized and plundered the warehouse.


      Most likely, they are afraid that the weapon may fall into the hands of criminals or law enforcement officers, which, in principle, is one and the same.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 27 2014 09: 24
      +5
      Quote: pv1005
      Some "strange terrorists" are guarding a warehouse with weapons without weapons.

      Read carefully, it was a "block post" on the way to the warehouses, the warehouses themselves were not captured, there are soldiers sitting there.
      1. Anisim1977
        Anisim1977 April 27 2014 12: 31
        +4
        So smoke the fuck fuck !!!!
        There are not cyborgs - but people, they eat something, sleep somewhere, etc.
        At worst buy on barter !!!!! hi
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 27 2014 06: 49
    +9
    The miners were armed with shovels, crowbars and pipes.
    Almost according to Tolstoy - "The club of the people's war ..."

    Seeing the miners, the attackers chose to plunge back into the helicopter and fly away
    And they did the right thing, otherwise the consequences of the meeting with the "team" of miners could be sad for both the paratroopers and the helicopter ...
  5. mig31
    mig31 April 27 2014 06: 52
    +4
    The period when the words were appropriate was completed, since the revolution, then the arsenal should be unpacked to protect themselves and their families ....
  6. tnship2
    tnship2 April 27 2014 06: 57
    +5
    It’s not a fact that there are rounds of ammunition for all these weapons of the Great Patriotic War. Therefore, nobody shows any particular interest.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 27 2014 07: 26
      +9
      Quote: tnship2
      It’s not a fact that there are rounds of ammunition for all these weapons of the Great Patriotic War. Therefore, nobody shows any particular interest.

      For Mosin’s rifles and carbines, as well as for the Maxim machine guns - MOUNTAINs, for TT pistols, Nagan revolvers and for PPSh and PPS - problems may arise ... and even if you don’t know where to look. But I think local people know such places ...
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 27 2014 08: 27
        +11
        Quote: svp67
        here for TT pistols, Nagan revolvers and for PPSh and PPS - problems can arise ...

        Do you think that ammunition is not stored in the warehouse? And "TT", "PPD", "PPSh", "PPS" generally have common ammunition, which is currently being produced by many factories ...
        It is quite possible for the Luhansk patron ... And by the way, how are things going with putting it under control?

        Are there Luhansk residents on the site?
        1. saag
          saag April 27 2014 08: 33
          +6
          Quote: Corsair
          "PPP"

          Good thing, how they didn’t get to him is simply amazing
          1. Corsair
            Corsair April 27 2014 08: 48
            +6
            Quote: saag
            Good thing, how they didn’t get to him is simply amazing

            It's just a FAIRY TALE and not a melee machine; it was not for nothing that it became a role model in the samples of many world gunsmiths.
          2. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin April 27 2014 11: 20
            +3
            Good thing, how they didn’t get to him is simply amazing

            I have repeatedly seen militias at the militia ...
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 27 2014 14: 55
              +2
              Quote: Rostovchanin
              I have repeatedly seen militias at the militia ...

              Strange ... I have not "come across" more than one, although videos and photos of materials have been viewed more than ...
              1. Rostovchanin
                Rostovchanin April 28 2014 15: 16
                +1
                Submachine gun design Sudaeva
        2. svp67
          svp67 April 27 2014 08: 41
          +13
          Quote: Corsair
          Do you think ammunition is not stored in the warehouse?

          Found...
          After bloody wars in the first half of the 20th century, a huge amount of weapons of both domestic and foreign production remained on the territory of the Soviet Union. And to everything else, the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifle was adopted. It was necessary to put all this “goodness" somewhere. Some were remelted, some were given to developing countries, and some were decided to be preserved just in case.
          For this, they chose the salt mines of the current Soledar. Thousands of “three lines” of Mosin, PPSh-41, PPS-43 submachine guns, German MP-38/40 submachine guns, Thomson submachine guns mod. 1928, Fedorov assault rifles, Kar98k Mausers, American Gapand M1, Mauser and Colt pistols, 1928 Degtyarev machine guns, German MG-34, MG-42 and even the famous machine guns Maxim and Lewis. In addition, for each sample, there are a couple of millions of canned ammunition.

          http://znich.org.ua/?p=9
          A serious and deadly collection ...
          1. saag
            saag April 27 2014 08: 45
            +8
            A cool picture would be - militias with "Thomson" and in hats :-)
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 27 2014 08: 48
              +12
              Quote: saag
              A cool picture would be - militias with "Thomson" and in hats :-)

              Or with Lewes

              Like Sukhov ...
              1. saag
                saag April 27 2014 08: 50
                0
                it's Shosh, not Lewis
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 27 2014 08: 57
                  +6
                  Quote: saag
                  it's Shosh, not Lewis

                  No, Lewis, the Shosh machine gun is like that, although I think he is there too, "it is known ...", which is not buried in Ukrainian soil ..
                2. avt
                  avt April 27 2014 10: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: saag
                  it's Shosh, not Lewis

                  Actually, in this particular episode, this is Degtyar, made up for Lewis, but Shosh of those times really
                  Quote: svp67
                  Shosha's machine gun is like that, although I think he is there too, "I know ..."
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 April 27 2014 11: 30
                    +8
                    Quote: avt
                    Actually, in this particular episode, this is Degtyar, made up for Lewis
                    Well, so Sukhov, not Sukhov, but a blessed memory, the artist Kuznetsov and Abdula, in one episode from a mosquito that shoots from that Kalash, but this did not make the film different ... And his HEROES did not become less popular.
              2. svp67
                svp67 April 27 2014 08: 51
                +4
                And heaps of "Petrukh" with "Mosinka" ...

                Well, "Abdula", where can we do without them, "We were shooting" ...

                And there "Vereshchagin" will catch up, how long can you sit at home

                And then it will pass to all "Nazis" and "Banderas" FULL .......
              3. Revolver
                Revolver April 27 2014 10: 25
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: saag
                A cool picture would be - militias with "Thomson" and in hats :-)

                Or with Lewes

                Like Sukhov ...

                On Wikipedia, there is a version that this is not a real Lewis, but a DP made up for it.
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_(пулемёт)
                I can’t judge, neither one nor the other held in his hands, but I would like to.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 27 2014 11: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Nagan
                  There is a version on Wikipedia

                  See my comment above ...
              4. Anisim1977
                Anisim1977 April 27 2014 12: 42
                +2
                And the caliber is not 5,45 hi
        3. lg41
          lg41 April 27 2014 08: 58
          +5
          A. Efremov successfully destroyed this plant for scrap. By the way, his labor biography began with this plant (Komsomol activist)
          1. Corsair
            Corsair April 27 2014 10: 23
            +2
            Quote: lg41
            A. Efremov successfully destroyed this plant for scrap. By the way, his labor biography began with this plant (Komsomol activist)

            Are you talking about the Lugansk State Cartridge Plant?
            He has been supplying the army since "tsarist times" ...
      2. Revolver
        Revolver April 27 2014 10: 14
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        here for TT pistols, Nagan revolvers and for PPSh and PPS - problems can arise

        Even in America, such cartridges are not uncommon, although they have never been produced in America either. I personally bought zinc 1092 cartridge for Nagan with delivery by mail. They are still there for $ 338.
        http://www.jgsales.com/7.62-nagant-7.62x38r-russian-surplus-108gr-fmj-ammo,-1092
        rd-sealed-tin.-p-6866.html
        And in Ukraine, where this caliber is domestic, there should be no problems, probably in the same mine and are stacked, you just have to look.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 27 2014 11: 51
          +4
          Quote: Nagan
          in Ukraine, where this caliber is domestic, there shouldn’t be any problems, probably they are stored in the same mine, you just have to look.
          Yes, they are there of course, and of course our caliber, but they are very MUCH ...
          Here is such a three-line cartridge for the Nagan revolver ... Under it, here’s the revolver and Fedorov’s machine gun made ...
          1. magadanets
            magadanets April 27 2014 12: 31
            +3
            I’m not an expert, I just read that the Fedorov assault rifle had a Japanese cartridge, it seems from the Arisak rifle. Because it was the first machine gun in the world, not a submachine gun. We had a lot of these cartridges after the Russian-Japanese one. Although there was a rifle cartridge, but it was not as powerful as the three-ruler, in terms of parameters it was close to the intermediate one. By the way, the photo also has an imported cartridge for Nagan. Ours is of a slightly different shape
          2. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 April 27 2014 12: 33
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            Under it, here’s a revolver and Fedorov’s machine gun made ...


            This is a sample of a machine gun (submachine gun) Fedorov under a Naganovsky cartridge?
            Is this not it?




            In fact, it used a 6,5mm cartridge from the Japanese Arisaka rifle


            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 April 27 2014 12: 49
              +3
              And initially V.G. Fedorov developed his weapon under the 7,62x54mm cartridge (a standard rifle cartridge for the Mosin rifle and Maxim machine gun).

              In 1911, the Russian gunsmith Vladimir Fedorov tested a 5-charge automatic (according to modern terminology, self-loading) rifle under a domestic cartridge of 7,62 × 54 mm R caliber. In this case, the Artillery Committee decided to order a batch of these rifles for military tests (Wikipedia).

              And where does the 7,62 × 38mm Naganov cartridge here?
          3. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 April 27 2014 12: 52
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            Under it, here’s a revolver and Fedorov’s machine gun made ...

            The Fedorov assault rifle is made under the 6,5-mm cartridge of its own design. In 1915, Fedorov adapted his rifle to an even weaker Japanese cartridge, 6,5 × 50 mm Arisaka.
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 27 2014 17: 12
              +2
              Quote: wanderer_032
              This is a sample of a machine gun (submachine gun) Fedorov under a Naganovsky cartridge?

              Quote: wanderer_032
              And initially V.G. Fedorov developed his weapon under the cartridge 7,62x54mm

              Quote: Aleksys2
              Fedorov assault rifle is made under a 6,5-mm cartridge of its own design

              I apologize for misleading me. fool Not Fedorov, but Tokarev ...
              PPT -27
          4. Revolver
            Revolver April 28 2014 02: 42
            0
            Quote: svp67
            Here is such a three-line cartridge for the Nagan revolver ... Under it, here’s the revolver and Fedorov’s machine gun made ...

            Maybe you mean the Tokarev assault rifle?
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82-%D
            0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%91%D1%82_%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D0
            %B2%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%86%D0%B0_1927_%D0%B3.
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 28 2014 17: 35
              0
              Quote: Nagan
              Maybe you mean the Tokarev assault rifle?

              I won’t argue in the title, but look here from 14min20sec
    2. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 April 27 2014 12: 40
      +4
      What sea of ​​trunks without cartridges will be stored ???
      Warehouses from the time of the USSR were made just in case of partisan actions.
      Further reserve warehouses are typical:
      1) Security is lazy and few.
      2) The evacuation plan is for sure.
      3) If underground, then you need to curl the ventilation and run out themselves.
      Etc .... there would be a desire am
      1. magadanets
        magadanets April 27 2014 12: 54
        +2
        Anisim, as a former miner I’m saying, ventilation won’t work. Even if you turn it off, I’ll sit under the barrel and keep the landing or reception area on the fly if it’s a cargo lift. Under the barrel the air will not go away. Sit 15 km from the barrel I’m not going to. If only there were more bugs, and water laughing
        1. magadanets
          magadanets April 27 2014 13: 18
          +4
          ZY.And you don’t even have to sit in the mine. Just intelligently blow up the lower receiving platforms, and let the right-handed people get it. They forgot what labor is on the surface, here you also need to be able to laughing And the miners will get it quickly when needed
          1. saag
            saag April 27 2014 13: 28
            +3
            Quote: magadanets
            And the miners will get it quickly when needed

            the miners will get it quickly, because they will no longer have time "when they have to"
            1. magadanets
              magadanets April 27 2014 21: 13
              0
              I’m speaking competently, and not so then to beat a new barrel.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair April 27 2014 14: 34
            +2
            Quote: magadanets
            ZY.And you don’t even have to sit in the mine. Just competently blow up the lower receiving platforms, and let the right-handed people get it. They forgot what labor is on the surface, they also need to be able to. And the miners will quickly get it when needed
            I already wrote (comment below) about the "rise", which is in this case the key element ...
            1. magadanets
              magadanets April 27 2014 21: 08
              +1
              Corsair, but it’s interesting, is the trunk vertical or inclined? You can walk along an inclined street like on a boulevard. Yes, there is a ladder in a vertical trunk. Walking along a vertical trunk is not sugar, but it’s also possible ...
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 28 2014 00: 08
        0
        Quote: Anisim1977
        Further reserve warehouses are typical:

        "It is written cleanly in paper, but they forgot about the ravines, how to walk on them." Leo Tolstoy
  7. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 27 2014 07: 12
    +9
    The miners were armed with shovels, crowbars and pipes. Seeing the miners, the attackers chose to plunge back into the helicopter and fly away
    Miners are men
    Hands tearing metal into pieces ...
  8. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 27 2014 07: 14
    +4
    there can be from 1 to 3 million weapons.

    At that moment, four people were on duty at the checkpoint, all without weapons.

    There are military operations, warehouses with weapons guarded by an unarmed guard, how to understand this?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 27 2014 07: 29
      +8
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      There are military operations, warehouses with weapons guarded by an unarmed guard, how to understand this?

      And to understand it this way - warehouses, with their state guard SEPARATELY, a checkpoint of local residents on the ways of transportation and export - SEPARATELY ...
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov April 27 2014 07: 45
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Ivan Tarasov
        There are military operations, warehouses with weapons guarded by an unarmed guard, how to understand this?

        And to understand it this way - warehouses, with their state guard SEPARATELY, a checkpoint of local residents on the ways of transportation and export - SEPARATELY ...

        By the state guard?
        And where is the state - it is not.
        There is the proclaimed Donetsk Republic, therefore, all weapons stored on its territory should be guarded by guards subordinate to the authorities of the Donetsk Republic. Security not subordinate to the Donetsk Republic should be disarmed.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 27 2014 07: 58
          +5
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          And where is the state - it is not.

          What Ukraine has already been expelled from the UN and erased from geographical maps?
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          There is the proclaimed Donetsk Republic, therefore, all weapons stored on its territory should be guarded by guards subordinate to the authorities of the Donetsk Republic. Security not subordinate to the Donetsk Republic should be disarmed.
          The DNR will have to prove their right to them. And how to do it now without a fight? But the warehouses are OLD, and even in Soviet times they knew how to organize the protection of such objects ... But the DPR has few people with weapons ...
          1. fedulov_e
            fedulov_e April 27 2014 10: 57
            +4
            Palestinians would have dug a tunnel a long time ago.
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 April 27 2014 17: 31
              +2
              Quote: fedulov_e
              Palestinians would have dug a tunnel a long time ago.

              Can you imagine the DEPTH and COMPOSITION of the ROCKS along which you need to "pass" to the horizon on which weapons are stored ???
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  9. Belarus
    Belarus April 27 2014 08: 14
    +3
    Such weapons depots in my opinion should guard professionals not ordinary people.
    But if we would speak with ordinary militias there was a weaponthen they would simply be shot and that’s all. And if there were a professional people with weapons, they probably would not have snooped at all.
    That’s why it’s necessary to protect such warehouses at least not in four but in large numbers. And if the law-enforcers came, they would simply beat people to death and that’s all and go to these warehouses.
    And in general it is surprising that someone did not pull this warehouse at all request
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 27 2014 08: 33
      +4
      Quote: Belarus
      In my opinion, such warehouses with weapons should be protected by professionals and not ordinary people.

      Also say ROBOTS ... There are ordinary, but well-trained people from the Internal Troops.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair April 27 2014 08: 54
      +6
      Quote: Belarus
      And in general it is surprising that someone did not pull this warehouse at all

      It should be understood that the warehouses are located in mine workings, into which, in order to get (at least), it is necessary to use the LIFTING CUT, which in turn is set in motion by the LIFTING MACHINE (the so-called "lifting") ...
      Therefore, not everything is so simple: "Come in and take it" ... This is what I am telling you as a former miner.
      1. saag
        saag April 27 2014 09: 00
        +1
        Well, in the mining region is it a problem to organize?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair April 27 2014 09: 27
          +2
          Quote: saag
          Well, in the mining region is it a problem to organize?

          If this is a question according to my comment, I will answer: Of course not!
          But this is in case the guards do not blow up the LIFTING MACHINE (and measures to this are probably taken), the repair of which under the current conditions will be simply impossible ...
          1. saag
            saag April 27 2014 10: 08
            +2
            well, they would have informed them that they won’t have to swear an oath, for they swore allegiance to the people who were represented by the legally elected president, and those who are now legally not elected in Kiev do not represent the people and the security is not obliged to them
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 27 2014 10: 38
              +6
              Quote: saag
              well, they would have informed them that they won’t have to swear an oath, for they swore allegiance to the people who were represented by the legally elected president, and those who are now legally not elected in Kiev do not represent the people and the security is not obliged to them

              But "in zapadlo" self-defense to carry out agitation in military units and labor collectives ...
              Remember the Soviet films about how, during the preparation of the revolution and in the civilian agitators of the RSDLP, they conveyed their ideas to the people ...

              Complete toothlessness !!! And then they will be offended that the masses did not support them.
              It is necessary to explain to people what they want and what kind of support they need.
              And in general, a person, having entered the resistance movement, should expect that he will be given weapons, ammunition, trained, fed, provided a place of deployment ...
              Or everything should look like this: "You will get a rifle in battle" ... ???
              In the same Lugansk, in the SBU, a substantial arsenal was seized, why aren’t they arming the citizens?
              1. saag
                saag April 27 2014 10: 52
                +4
                the impression is that they expect that everything will resolve itself, or the troops of the Russian Federation will come and decide everything
              2. Anisim1977
                Anisim1977 April 27 2014 12: 49
                +3
                Any mine is a mousetrap, if the top is captured.
                The lift in case of defense is not a plus but a minus ..... hi
      2. Anisim1977
        Anisim1977 April 27 2014 12: 44
        0
        And block the ventilation - do not hi will open?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair April 27 2014 14: 44
          +4
          Quote: Anisim1977
          And block the ventilation - they themselves will not open?

          You need to have a clear idea of ​​what salt workings are. In essence, these are huge worked out spaces in terms of volume where:
          1) A SEA of air, namely AIR (even healing!), And not MINERAL ATMOSPHERE - a mixture of a huge number of different gases, like from coal and shale mines;
          2) There is no methane, the main enemy of the miners, the gas pollution of which is fraught with death from excess concentration or an explosion ...
  10. sv68
    sv68 April 27 2014 08: 36
    +1
    kindergarten and not a roadblock. there really aren’t any weapons at least if local hunters have taken a rifle or carbine, all the more to protect warehouses with weapons and will not arm themselves.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 27 2014 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: sv68
      kindergarten and not a roadblock. there really isn’t any weapons at least if local hunters took a rifle or carbine

      You, as the owner of the LEGAL "firearm", entrust your weapon to just anyone?
  11. Turk
    Turk April 27 2014 09: 30
    +5
    Quote: saag
    interesting, but are there leather jackets there too? :-)

    Everything is there.
  12. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 27 2014 09: 31
    +4
    Cowards are extraordinary, they can only fight with unarmed people, but as they meet organized resistance, they can run to their feet and run.
  13. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 27 2014 09: 33
    +7
    Bllllll .... I have a feeling that most people read through a hangover. The warehouses with weapons are not under the control of the "miners", they only created a post on the way to it. The military took the "language" and dumped ... That's it.
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 27 2014 10: 08
    +1
    Circus, pure circus ...
  15. siberalt
    siberalt April 27 2014 11: 05
    +3
    It is not very clear to those who call for the seizure of weapons. What can this lead to when there are no structures to control it? Who said the southeast is united in its outburst? This is far from the Crimea. Yes, in fact, what do the proponents of federalism want? Are spouses sleeping separately, but is the budget common? After all, the rules are the same for everyone. And what will change? Oh yes! Regions will be able to keep more for themselves, but give less to the center. With the same oligarchs, with the same power with the same legal and political regime. What were you fighting for? What kind of independence is this?
  16. saag
    saag April 27 2014 11: 12
    +1
    Quote: siberalt
    It is not very clear to those who call for the seizure of weapons.

    It is so that you are not killed, not the most interesting prospect of being a corpse
  17. Semenov
    Semenov April 27 2014 11: 25
    +2
    Yes, the DPR is not Crimea, the "hand of Moscow" is not visible here! On the other hand, the use of troops against the unarmed civilian population can legitimize the introduction of Russian troops. Then you will have to take all of Ukraine.
  18. Partisan Kramaha
    Partisan Kramaha April 27 2014 11: 28
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Corsair
    Do you think ammunition is not stored in the warehouse?

    Found...
    After bloody wars in the first half of the 20th century, a huge amount of weapons of both domestic and foreign production remained on the territory of the Soviet Union. And to everything else, the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifle was adopted. It was necessary to put all this “goodness" somewhere. Some were remelted, some were given to developing countries, and some were decided to be preserved just in case.
    For this, they chose the salt mines of the current Soledar. Thousands of “three lines” of Mosin, PPSh-41, PPS-43 submachine guns, German MP-38/40 submachine guns, Thomson submachine guns mod. 1928, Fedorov assault rifles, Kar98k Mausers, American Gapand M1, Mauser and Colt pistols, 1928 Degtyarev machine guns, German MG-34, MG-42 and even the famous machine guns Maxim and Lewis. In addition, for each sample, there are a couple of millions of canned ammunition.

    http://znich.org.ua/?p=9
    A serious and deadly collection ...

    C'mon, most of it has long been stolen and sold on the black market by the guard itself!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 27 2014 15: 09
      +3
      Quote: Partizan Kramaha
      C'mon, most of it has long been stolen and sold on the black market by the guard itself!

      Believe me, 1 - 3 million units of small arms alone, not counting ammunition, is VERY difficult to plunder, especially "most" ...
  19. Just
    Just April 27 2014 11: 43
    +1
    So I understand that they overturned the checkpoint, and then ran into an armed (guarding) guard at the mine. That is why they departed.
    A checkpoint is needed for timely warning of an attack, not for protection.
  20. Just
    Just April 27 2014 11: 50
    +4
    Quote: siberalt
    It is not very clear to those who call for the seizure of weapons. What can this lead to when there are no structures to control it? Who said the southeast is united in its outburst? This is far from the Crimea. Yes, in fact, what do the proponents of federalism want? Are spouses sleeping separately, but is the budget common? After all, the rules are the same for everyone. And what will change? Oh yes! Regions will be able to keep more for themselves, but give less to the center. With the same oligarchs, with the same power with the same legal and political regime. What were you fighting for? What kind of independence is this?


    Federalization will not allow all eggs to sign all sorts of papers with all sorts of American geyrops about any associations, joining NATO, without obtaining permission from ALL members of the federation. In addition, federalization will enable federation members to work DIRECTLY with other states. Those. Russia will be able to work very closely with the Donbass and not feed, at the same time, Banderostan. Is it clear that Russia will help the southeast to rise from its knees, and Galicia, once again, will suck off the West. It will immediately become obvious to everyone who needs to be friends, and who makes empty promises.
    The revival of the pro-Russian parts of the federation with the help of Russia and the complete impoverishment of the banderlogs in western Ukraine, which no one will give anything to - this is what the United States and the Galician right-wingers are afraid of.
  21. RUSS
    RUSS April 27 2014 12: 32
    +2
    since Soviet times, large stockpiles of weapons from the First and Second World Wars,

    At one of the checkpoints on TV I saw Maxim machine gun, maybe they were already stealing quietly from the warehouse? laughing
  22. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor April 27 2014 13: 19
    +3
    Quote: saag
    it's Shosh, not Lewis

    this is Lewis one hundred pounds
  23. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 27 2014 13: 24
    +3
    According to the actions of those who obey the Kiev gang, it is clear that they are catastrophically lacking information about the DPR militia.
    They grab someone without hitting, even unarmed men or green boys, but as "languages" they have no value, because they themselves know practically nothing and do not have any valuable information.
    And the warehouse as a result is still under public supervision and whoever needs it will receive a signal from there on time.
    So this is a waste of work.
    Such actions indicate that those acting on behalf of the Kiev gang are trained to carry out purely military tasks (removal of the sentries) and have no experience in such operations as the suppression of popular riots.
    Of course it is a pity that the militia is so short-sightedly scattered by people. In order to observe, it is necessary to establish hidden posts (secrets) and provide them with good communication links. Observe observation posts in visual visibility and in such a way that in case of any bad movements, observers can quickly evacuate from there.
    And to repel an attack on such objects, you need to have a motorized quick response group (armed). You can use any technique (if only it was working).
    You can also use technical surveillance equipment (webcams or drones equipped with them) to monitor such objects, for this you can adapt any toy on the radio control and use people who are versed in radio electronics to install these devices.
    This will allow not to put people on posts, which will significantly reduce losses for the militia.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 April 27 2014 14: 25
      +1
      I want to supplement it.
      If there is a need to set up a checkpoint to control movement on highways (and other transport routes), then they must be equipped accordingly and people, too, to carry out the assigned tasks, must be correctly distributed.
      Basically, work at such posts should be ensured so that people can insure each other, so that they cannot be taken by surprise and they can not miss dangerous vehicles or people in their area of ​​responsibility. This is if there are people with weapons on the "block" and it is specifically sharpened to maintain control of traffic on the road on which it is located and on the territory adjacent to it.

      And if the post is just for observation and warning, with unarmed people, then it is advisable to keep as few people as possible at the post, to have equipment in the shelter for quick evacuation (or a secretive escape route).
      To violate the traffic message, make a barricade that will be able to block traffic on the road in a short time and thereby delay who is needed for a time sufficient to organize an ambush, for example.
  24. Ross
    Ross April 27 2014 13: 26
    +2
    Quote: svetlomor
    The task of the checkpoint was to prevent the National Guard from accessing the warehouses.
    Isn’t it easier at first ourselves to stock up on warehouses, and then not to allow the National Guard ?!

    Yes, there are troops guarding! In the mines, it is said that a sea of ​​weapons from the Second World War, machine guns, machine guns, ammunition. On the eve, someone was already fighting, but the soldiers fought back, and they dumped everything on the militia.
  25. sokrat7
    sokrat7 April 27 2014 13: 55
    +5
    It must be admitted that both sides are not very professional. But, if the militias can be forgiven, because they are not a prepared, coherent force. That the security forces do not need to act like that. This indicates a crisis not only in the political sphere, but also in law enforcement agencies. Militias need to take advantage of this and as soon as possible to organize and act purposefully.
  26. Everest2014
    Everest2014 April 27 2014 14: 01
    +2
    This is already a theater of the absurd, I no longer understand what is happening. Maybe this is the goal of the "legitimate" authorities in Kiev? And, through the Internet, TV to distort the situation in general. The 95th shock kievsk tank brigade uzyal Smolensk! throw another sms, byra. :)
  27. bubla5
    bubla5 April 27 2014 17: 39
    0
    There are a lot of weapons, and the checkpoint is guarded with batons, it’s strange something, they are waiting for the uncle from the side or something
  28. pvv113
    pvv113 April 27 2014 20: 39
    +7
    Quote: Corsair
    The weapon is true of the civil and WWII period ("Mosinka", "Mauser", "TT",
    "PPSh", "DP", etc.), but everything is in perfect condition.
    In the 90s, in some parts, TT pistols were in service with the PM
  29. survivor
    survivor April 27 2014 22: 01
    0
    Needless to say, the miners need to give weapons in their hands! Then the junta will come full scribe.
  30. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 28 2014 08: 47
    0
    Weapons are weapons. At least a musket, at least squeak. Everything will come in handy. And the entrances must be mined until they are cleared and help arrives in time.