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Russian fleet - he has everything in the past?

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On the site Odnoklassniki there are many officer groups in which there is a constant discussion of all urgent issues. Here is a message that leads to very sad thoughts:
“In the crew of the BOD Vice Admiral Kulakov, so far no officer has received a service apartment in Severomorsk. They say: "Wait." What? Those same apartments, which should, in the end, release retired soldiers. So all the "kulakovtsy" housing is being rented. "
Learn more here: http://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2011-04-08/1_zapolarie.html



What is happening with the Russian fleet? Where did the traditions laid down 250 years ago under Admiral F.F. Ushakov go? The media has written a lot of materials on the state of the Navy. As a rule, these are articles on the composition of fleets, on the balance of forces and means between fleets. But let's at least briefly consider the attendant circumstances.

1. Frames I remember the film-dilogy of twenty-five years ago "In the zone of special attention" and "Response move". The patriotic component of these films was so great that the conscripts were massively recorded in the Airborne Forces and the Navy. I remember the inscription made in one of the military schools on the territory of the protected object by another sentry: “I want to sleep - I feel sorry for the Motherland!”. It seems a simple inscription, however, it says a lot. And they thought (!) Of the Motherland.

Since childhood, Nakhimovites have been brought up in the best traditions. How many Nakhimovites became brilliant officers, how many of them became holders of the highest orders. Even V.S. Pikul in his sea novels showed the necessity of transferring maritime traditions through quite a long training. It is impossible for 2 to prepare a high-class sailor. A young lieutenant, after studying 5 years, receives only general concepts about the service. Often, a senior sailor knows more than a green lieutenant. The system of training of the Navy that had developed over the years from training to the academy received a hole below the waterline and began to sink.

Another quote from the site Odnoklassniki. The question asks the wife of a military officer: "PROBLEM!!!! The spouse has to go to school and talk to the 7-9 classes, what do you think he should tell? He took part from 1988 in Fergana to 2007 in Chechnya, (in all the hot spots of the CIS), he worries what he can tell so that the authorities do not hurt and the children understand what a defender of the Motherland is. Your opinion?"

It is objectively clear that in life a lot has changed. Relations between countries have changed, the equipment has changed, new materials, new technologies have appeared, people have changed. Most young people no longer have the former trembling of the soul at the sight of a neat Nakhimov member. This means that the training system should be adjusted to the changed conditions, but not be a blind copy of the Western systems.

Russian fleet - he has everything in the past?


A rhetorical question: Is there a future for the Navy with the existing system of training specialists?

2. Lieutenants. Amazing magic begins when, having sunk along the parade-ground in the ranks of the latter-day lieutenants, after finishing off at the graduation party, the green lieutenant receives the documents and prepares for departure into the unit. There is a pleasant feeling in the shower - waiting for a miracle. However, all miracles end on arrival at the place of service. Repin's picture comes to mind: “We did not wait”. As always, the personnel officers confused something, and the place in the crew has not yet been vacated. Ordered to wait. The hostel is not the first freshness. Evening walks in hot places. This is how the survival tests begin. Not all this test stand.

A rhetorical question: Does the Navy have a future with such young specialists entering the system?

3. Further service. Suppose everything worked out, time flew by and recently the young lieutenant was already grated lieutenant commander. I got a family. But there is no apartment yet. We are waiting, sir. Appeared the first child. The child has grown up. Already it is time to kindergarten, and there are no places. His wife would have to work so that at least no skills in the profession would be lost. And where is she, this work? The town is small. Money allowances do not always come on time. But there is a lot of enthusiasm.

Where do they serve? The most complete fleet - North. 15 August. Murmansk Airport. The plane arrives at night. Temperature + 4. Snow breaks down. But the sailors are full of optimism. Motorway Murmansk - St. Petersburg. In the area of ​​Medvezhyegorsk highway repair and exit to the bypass road. Before the congress, a huge shield with the inscription: “Comrade! Believe me There is no way through! ”. Well, here are the places there for very hard-nosed people. Polar. Through the lip from Severomorsk. Coldly. But they live. Rejoice even the smallest events in life. They love the sea! It is their joy and sadness. This is their life! They would help a little bit!

But no. None of the “higher” visited Vidyayevo for the tenth anniversary of “Kursk”. "She drowned," and that's it. Details here: http://3rm.info/publications/4661-ego-velichestvo-lozh-kak-slivali-podlodku-kursk.html

From January on the SF went layoffs on the OSHM. This is written on the Internet. And where do these officers go? They write an appeal to the leaders of the state and post on the Internet. And a certain Colonel Voronkov, 36-years, besides, a professor, a doctor of science, an officer in the Arbat district, also at Odnoklassniki, gives such officers a characteristic — waste material. In connection with this situation, the mass of highly qualified officers, from 40 to 50, left the fleet. We can state a violation of the continuity of the naval traditions.

A rhetorical question: Does the Navy have a future with such an attitude of the highest authority towards the backbone of the fleet, towards the most dedicated officers, sea officers?



4. Changing tasks in theaters of war. In-depth analysis of the tasks facing different theaters is carried out by leading analysts at the Main Command of the Navy and the General Staff. Although not engaged. Currently, most of these analysts are almost gone. Let's see briefly.

BSF. It makes no sense to discuss the fact that the old structures can not solve new problems. They invented new structures and reassigned the Black Sea Fleet NF! Now dispatches from Rostov-on-Don manage the operational activities of the Black Sea Fleet ?! According to all analysts, the Black Sea Fleet loses to the Turkish Navy. And multiple. Ship composition is old and completely dissimilar. Just serving out. And the ongoing negotiations with the Ukrainian side of Sevastopol. The loss of Sevastopol is equivalent to the loss of the fleet today.



BF. Part of the bases was lost due to the separation of the Baltic republics. At the same time, an established management system has been lost. Unfortunately, the Baltic Fleet also loses significantly to the NATO grouping in the Baltic Sea.

In fact, both the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet currently can perform combat functions only nominally. The main task of them is purely representative - the demonstration of the flag.

SF. Here is the most combat-ready part of the Navy. The ships of the Federation Council, if necessary, are able to come to the aid of the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet. However, there was a problem of scheduled repair of ships. The Navy is not able to provide such repairs. And, in connection with this circumstance, a number of ships may be dropped from the fleet, which will inevitably lead to the conversion of the Federation Council into a flotilla.

Pacific Fleet. Here is an excerpt from the statements of sailors in Odnoklassniki: “In 2007, I rested in the Primorsky Territory, drove to the“ New Pier ”in the Abrek Bay ... and was horrified! It turns out that the surface fleet is NO! It is a pile of scrap metal. The division of rocket ships is called by the locals "Iron Kaput Division." Only the 1 unit is able to enter the exercise - a rocket-bombing boat. But the connection is commanded by the admiral, with all the staff headquarters due! ". And the Pacific Fleet actually no longer. Formed some kind of incomprehensible structure with an incomprehensible purpose - the Kamchatka and Primorsk groups. And, if the BSF, SF, BF can at least somehow interact, then the FF will have no one to help!

In the ocean zone dominated by the US Navy. Since there are no inland seas in the USA, almost 95% Navy are designed for the ocean zone. And what about the Russian Navy? Of the surface ships, only Peter the Great and Admiral Kuznetsov plow the expanses of the world's oceans. And even without proper security and maintenance! Why? Yes, because it is sold!



Where was the "highest" command, when part of the ships was sold for a cap of crackers. Excerpt from the Internet:
The guard ship "Zorky" - 227,5 thousand dollars
Patrol ship "Strict" - 316,5 thousand dollars.

And the list goes on!

It is well known how Minsk and Novorossiysk TAKR were sold! Here are indicative stories! Even the secret weapons are not removed.

A rhetorical question: Does the Navy have a future if the state of the fleets does not adapt to the modern tasks of all theaters?

5. On the current state of the ship composition can be found here:
http://www.transport.ru/2_period/more/96_6/vmf.htm

Attention should be paid to one controversial point. This development is in the direction of increasing the significance of the NSNF (naval strategic nuclear forces). 2007 is indicative of the year when about 70% of the funds allocated for the construction of all new ships were sent to the tab of three submarines of the 955 and 955А series. Moreover, submarine cruisers 955 series are considered among the most expensive ships. But attention! The main problem is that the development of the NSNF is completely unsupported by the development of the support system. The forces that are needed to cover cruisers at sea are becoming obsolete at an accelerated pace, and no new ones are visible on the stocks.

When developing tactics and strategies for using the NSNF, the need for a systematic consideration of all issues, including support, is completely ignored. The lessons of the Falklands crisis of 1982 of the year have convincingly demonstrated the capabilities of offensive forces when used in combination. But the feeling is that these lessons were not considered. But before 90-ies, on all readings of orders in parts, orders were considered that considered these or those situations and training tasks arising from the obtained experience were set in the orderly part.

There is one more serious problem - low coefficient of operating voltage. As a result, a very expensive cruiser becomes a vulnerable target for the enemy while parked in the base. Well, the Navy cannot in its current state ensure a longer stay in the database. By the way KOH and in the times of the USSR was not too high.

By investing huge amounts of money in the development of the NSNS, the developers of military doctrine actually consider only one, and the least likely scenario of a military conflict is a general nuclear war. Meanwhile, a huge number of tasks in peacetime and wartime should be solved by non-nuclear general-purpose forces. What is worth only the task of ensuring international security in the Gulf of Aden. And the protection of territorial waters, the coast of Russia, participation in anti-terrorist operations. Here we need completely different forces and means.

Unfortunately, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense performs completely inexplicable from the point of view of logic, action. How many years has the issue of transferring the Main Command of the Navy to St. Petersburg been discussed? A group of honored admirals was forced to write an open letter asking about the expediency of such a translation. The cost of the transfer was estimated at 40 - 50 billion rubles. And the cost of a serious series ship is about 2 billion rubles. In the conditions of ship shortage, the question arises: “Did anyone even calculate the translation program?”. Next news became the ability to rename the Main Board in the Department! Can the Department be managed by an effective manager?



A rhetorical question: Is there a future for the Navy if the general concept of using the forces and means of the Navy is not developed, with the subsequent placement of orders for the construction of ships of the respective classes?

6. State of the shipbuilding industry. Unfortunately, with the collapse of the USSR, about 40% of the shipbuilding industry remained in the CIS countries. Cooperation ties were violated and much had to be re-created. This left a very serious negative imprint on the entire industry. According to eyewitnesses, the ranks of the leading designers in PKB Rubin have thinned out. Many areas just rented out. Underfunding does not allow rhythmically work in the shipyards of factories. As a result, running projects were stuck on the stocks for many years.

Especially big questions are caused by the lack of the ability to transfer the traditions of working specialties. There is a huge shortage of youth. This is especially true of machine workers. On high-precision metalworking machines work age workers. And who will replace them is completely unclear.

A rhetorical question: Does the Navy have a future if the shipbuilding industry continues to remain in its current state?

Conclusion: the future of the Russian Navy, with all the difficulties, may well be. There have already been examples of fleet resurgence in history. We need only the desire of the authorities, the political will to resolve all rhetorical issues. And people who love the sea, desperately devoted to the maritime profession in Russia have been, are and will be!
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  1. yuvit
    yuvit 7 May 2011 09: 51
    +10
    Not only my favorite fleet, the country is heading towards collapse. Russia needs a strong power, call it what you want "tsar, dictator, president" statesman who has support in the person of the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies, instead of a talkative thought - a state council and ... The democrats who plundered and ravaged the country have bothered the people to the point. But where can I find it? Putin, who showed "swell" at the beginning of his activity and really achieved success, in the second half of his activity retreated from his declared principles and began to slide into the maelstrom of democrats. Medvedev, having slightly overexcited, hastily began to ruin what little Putin had succeeded. There is no leader in Russia, the country is heading into the abyss ... And no one will be saved, neither the poor nor the rich ... HAPPY VICTORY DAY !!!?
  2. Ildar
    Ildar 7 May 2011 12: 03
    +1
    yuvit
    I do not want to live in a country in which power is based on the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergencies. I am against the dictatorship. The president must rely on his people. And work for his good. This should be done through the duma. Just decent, smart and hardworking people should sit in a thought. I want to believe that someday in Russia it will be so.
    1. Denis
      Denis 28 September 2011 00: 10
      +1
      Just decent, smart and hardworking people should sit in a thought

      where did this happen?
      so there is no place and will not be, not for that they did it
  3. snek
    snek 7 May 2011 13: 35
    0
    Democracy is the dictatorship of the law, before which ALL are really equal. We never had it. In its pure form, it is generally impossible, like communism. And now we have an oligarchy in one of its worst manifestations. And a dictatorship is a roulette: a smart and loving homeland person may be in power, or a bandit or a psycho.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 7 June 2011 12: 58
      +1
      we currently have a mixture of plutocracy and oligarchy.
  4. Escander
    Escander 7 May 2011 14: 16
    0
    --- "Democracy is the dictatorship of the law, before which ALL are really equal."

    So we have no law! There are also by-laws that fliz as they want, depending on the flizd-interpreted one. The laws of Peter I worked until the beginning of the 20th century, and today, whatever the litter with the gasket is, a new interpretation with changes and additions ... What can I say if the Presidents rewrite the HISTORY of the country, and not any outstanding ones, but “whole Medvedevs "... To be honest, I don’t remember the greater insignificance in the history of the rulers of Russia.
    1. Denis
      Denis 28 September 2011 00: 12
      0
      Yes, everyone is equal, but someone is more equal
      like Orwell
  5. East
    East 7 May 2011 14: 23
    -2
    Before you build a Fleet, you need to understand why it is needed? Under the USSR, it was more or less clear - the ocean fleet was needed to maintain friendly regimes around the world and had to withstand, first of all, the NATO fleet in the Atlantic and the US fleet in the Pacific Ocean.
    We currently do not need to display our flag in Madagascar and help the friendly regime in Angola, along with Cuba. Our potential friends are only possible in Vietnam, in Syria on the Mediterranean, in Cuba and Hugo Chavez. In theory, we are little concerned about the problem of piracy off the coast of Somalia or in the waters of Indochina, since we have poorly developed maritime trade.
    What do we need from the fleet? Defense of the deployment areas of our submarine strategists, and the defense of the Kuriles. Of course naval officers hunt a lot of the Navy, this is a career and the meaning of life. But let's face it - life has changed, and the fleet is not just expensive, but the most expensive type of aircraft. It is necessary to build it taking into account not only the current economic situation, but also the development prospects of our state. Our political leadership has chosen the path of "quiet decades", without unnecessary unnecessary confrontation, on the principle "we don't need someone else's, but we won't give up ours either." Hence the rejection of the construction of aircraft carriers, and the emphasis on the development of the ship composition of the near sea zone.
    1. Delta
      Delta 27 September 2011 13: 20
      -2
      And why is the fleet needed, for example, to the States? somehow nobody was going to attack them
  6. snek
    snek 7 May 2011 14: 37
    0
    "To be honest, I can't remember a greater insignificance in the history of the rulers of Russia"
    Well, there was Yeltsin and, possibly, Pavel I. And then there was Gorbachev, who was deliberately destroying the country. Moreover, it is quite possible that Putin deliberately chose mediocrity as president - there is less chance that he will "grow up" into a real competitor.
    1. peaker
      peaker 8 May 2011 15: 41
      +1
      Oh, what does "worthless ruler" mean? And what is "great"?
  7. Kyrielein
    Kyrielein 7 May 2011 15: 40
    +2
    But what, the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergencies are not people?
    1. peaker
      peaker 8 May 2011 15: 43
      +2
      The people of course, and no one threw them from the moon here ...
  8. His
    His 7 May 2011 18: 24
    +2
    A rich country is a strong army. Or an option: a poor people and a strong army. What to choose? It’s not the army as such, but the state, its rulers, ideology
  9. huginn
    huginn 7 May 2011 21: 10
    +2
    The author found where to draw information in classmates!
  10. Lapwing
    Lapwing 7 May 2011 21: 41
    -1
    Everything is really ruined. Nothing has been created - just words. And optimization is going on everywhere. Reduce positions. Where 3 people worked - they leave one, who drags work for three and for the same salary. Just not to lose my job. Young officers are assigned to the posts of sailors and are waiting for a new "steamer" to arrive to be appointed to an officer post. The ships are not normally repaired. The crews are ruined by the order on awarding the Minister of the Stool. I've already got this mess.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 7 May 2011 22: 20
    +3
    I have special training for mountain divisions. Whom should my children and grandchildren protect? Prokhorova, Potanina, Deribaska, is this our elite ???
    Pigsty-rummaging in shit, who will get more !!! What Suvorov schools did their children graduate from? Is this the elite ?? Are we equal to them ??
    The country needs a leader !! We need an idea for a nation !!! NOT A RUSSIAN NATION AND A NATION OF RUSSIANS !!!!
    MULTINATIONAL STATE FROM KALININGRAD TO VLADIVOSTOK !!!
    WE ARE proud of the country and she is proud of us !!
    I lived and was proud of my country, now I'm afraid of it!
  12. East
    East 7 May 2011 22: 38
    0
    Lapwing,
    Where 3 people worked, they leave one who drags work for three and for the same salary.
    And how do you like? Do you want the Army and Navy the Great? Do you know that our labor productivity is 3-4 times lower than in the rotten West? Do you want to live well? Do you want to work ?! No, this does not happen, or happens only in fairy tales. And do not about s / n only. She is not given for this, but for work. And about the oligarchs do not. Yes, they stole, or earned a quick profit? Or maybe they plowed for three, and did not cry? It seems that adults are all people - but how to love crying !!!
  13. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 7 May 2011 23: 38
    0
    Sooner or later, the bastards at the top will have to raise the Army and Navy, they will not be protected from NATO or China, they are criminals for the Anglo-Saxons and Europeans, as well as for the Chinese.
  14. Michael
    Michael 8 May 2011 00: 44
    +1
    I repeat, but to Stalin, that the PEOPLE, that the ELITE were consumables for building the Empire. At the moment, the so-called the elite itself announced untouchability in all situations (for crime, theft, betrayal - which is very actively encouraged by overseas shit.
    Only colas and lanterns along roads with decomposed corpses of representatives of the 5th column - only then the people and the party will be one!
  15. Valaam
    Valaam 8 May 2011 11: 58
    +1
    Yeah! And you, dear head of the committee for the determination of persons belonging to the 5th column.
  16. Mackle
    Mackle 9 May 2011 02: 54
    0
    Hmm, an interesting article, though in some places "ears" made, okay.
    I will comment lightly.

    ”Comrade! Believe me! There is no through passage! ” Well, here are places for stubborn people. Polar. Through the lip from Severomorsk. Coldly. But they live. Enjoy even the smallest events in life. They love the sea! It is their joy and sorrow. This is their life! They would have a little help!
    such a mood is everywhere, on all naval tanks. You cannot live without positive.

    In connection with this situation, the mass of highly qualified officers from 40 to 50 years left the fleet. We can state a violation of the continuity of naval traditions.
    And about the youth who left, there’s not a single word from my course (graduation 2007), not one person was left on the Primorsky Flotilla, out of 100 lieutenants who came to the service in one group in 2010 (I don’t know how many came) there were 10 people.

    Black Sea Fleet. It makes no sense to discuss the fact that it is impossible for old structures to solve new problems. They came up with new structures and reassigned the Black Sea Fleet of the North Caucasian Military District! Now dispatches from Rostov-on-Don are managing the operational activities of the Black Sea Fleet ?! According to all analysts, the Black Sea Fleet is losing to the Turkish Navy. And multiple. The ship's crew is old and completely heterogeneous. Just deserves it.
    uncle considers it purely in number, the fact that the Black Sea Fleet is not able to fulfill its main Soviet task, to capture the straits and break into Middle-earth, yes, it cannot, but it is able to protect its shores.
  17. Makl
    Makl 9 May 2011 02: 55
    +1
    BF Some of the bases were lost due to the separation of the Baltic republics. Along with this, an established management system has been lost. Unfortunately, the BF also loses significantly to the NATO grouping in the Baltic Sea.
    Well, a large fleet is not needed for this puddle. There, landing forces are needed, mosquito nets are needed. But the destroyers and SKRs are useless there.

    SF. Here is the most combat-ready part of the Navy. If necessary, ships of the Northern Fleet are able to come to the aid of the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet. However, there was a problem of scheduled repair of ships. The Navy is not capable of providing such repairs. And, in connection with this circumstance, a number of ships can be dropped out of the fleet, which will inevitably lead to the transformation of the Northern Fleet into a flotilla.
    This problem has been going on since the time of the union, and the problem is standard for both the north and the Pacific Fleet, I don’t know about the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet. Usually she just decided ... they built a new ship

    Pacific Fleet. Here is an excerpt from the statements of sailors in Odnoklassniki:

    damn it, a source of information, if you read facebook, American warriors, then you can already celebrate Victory Day over the USA, by the way, in DURK (DRC), two combat-ready ships plus one for overhaul, and commands a cap once

    Where was the "highest" command, when part of the ships was sold for a cap of crackers. Excerpt from the Internet:
    The guard ship "Zorky" - 227,5 thousand dollars
    Patrol ship "Strict" - 316,5 thousand dollars.
    And the list goes on!

    and when were they sold? in the good 90s? over the past 7 years, more than one ship has not been decommissioned, and not thrown into needles, what was left and what was possible was dragged by the ears just to be put into operation. For the rest, thank Benny and the mess of the 90s, then yes it was, now no

    It is well known how Minsk and Novorossiysk sold TAKR! Here are some illustrative stories! Even the secret weapons were not removed.
    psh and a provocation, I personally know a man who sawed metal from these ships, although the truth is that everything Vanino earned on this, So the fact that the military did not carry it away was conscientiously carried out by marauders, in the amount of many KAMAZ trucks.

  18. Makl
    Makl 9 May 2011 02: 56
    0
    Unfortunately, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense carries out actions that are completely inexplicable in terms of logic. How many years has the issue of the transfer of the High Command of the Navy to St. Petersburg been discussed. A group of honored admirals was forced to write an open letter asking about the appropriateness of such a translation. The cost of translation was estimated at 40-50 billion rubles. Moreover, the cost of a serious series ship is about 2 billion rubles. In conditions of ship deficit, the question arises: "Did someone even calculate the translation program?" The next news was the possibility of renaming the Commander in Chief to the Department! Can the Department be managed by an effective manager?
    yes, I agree completely

    Especially big questions are caused by the lack of the ability to transfer the traditions of working specialties. There is a huge shortage of youth. This is especially true of machine workers. On high-precision metalworking machines work age workers. And who will replace them is completely unclear.
    And yet, now these issues are for the better, in some design bureaus they are already throwing out tenants, and young people are increasingly appearing in factories

  19. anti-fluid
    anti-fluid 9 March 2012 02: 59
    0
    "Investing huge funds in the development of NSNF, the developers of military doctrine are actually considering only one, and the least likely scenario of a military conflict - a general nuclear war. Meanwhile, a huge number of peacetime and wartime tasks must be solved by non-nuclear general-purpose forces. What is only the task of providing international security in the Gulf of Aden. And the protection of territorial waters, the coast of Russia, participation in anti-terrorist operations. Here we need completely different forces and means. "

    The article normally reveals the problems of our fleets, but these lines immediately cast doubt on me, and what kind of person was he who wrote this article? Which says that the strategic nuclear forces are not as important as it seems to us at first glance, but the most important thing is to build air-cushion catamarans to fight terrorists and boats to control territorial waters. But is it not a registered journalist? Or maybe just a bastard. The first task is to modernize the nuclear fleet that will control the world's oceans and military security ships. And to protect the coastline to build catamarans is a problem with a small displacement.