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Can local status referendums be held?

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According to the chairman of the Central Election Commission of Ukraine, Mikhail Okhendovsky, it is impossible. So he said live on "5-th channel" of Ukrainian television on the eve, reports INTERFAX.RU




He justified this by saying that when deciding on the status of individual territories, it is necessary to ask the opinion of voters throughout the country. At the same time, it is necessary to proceed from the fact that Ukraine is a unitary state. At the same time, according to KM.RU, he stressed that even an all-Ukrainian referendum can be risky, since the political consequences of the will of the residents and the legal result can be completely different.

Okhendovsky recognized that the country needed a law on a local referendum, while, however, noting that there should be some restrictions on the subject of the referendum.

The head of the CEC would also like the law to be submitted to parliament.

Recall that on May 11 and 18 in several regions, including Lugansk and Donetsk regions, local referendums are scheduled. Okhendovsky does not exclude the possibility of holding a nationwide referendum in conjunction with the election of the President of 25 in May.
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  1. mamont5
    mamont5 April 25 2014 09: 46
    +5
    "He substantiated this by the fact that when deciding on the status of individual territories, it is necessary to ask the opinion of voters throughout the country. At the same time, one must proceed from the fact that Ukraine is a unitary state."

    And with what fright? And if the referendum aims to change the structure of Ukraine, or even separate from it in FIG?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 25 2014 09: 52
      +12
      Quote: mamont5
      And with what fright?

      So this is why they believe that the referendum should be all over the country, the questions at the local referendum (even if such a referendum is allowed) to be limited, like the question can only be "is it possible for Baba Mane to graze a goat in Baba Tanya's garden", and everything else is not ... And the most important thing! To hold a referendum together with the presidential elections! And the new, "legitimate" president, who can be elected under the new rules, even figuratively speaking "by three voters" will take and cancel all the results of the national referendum!
      They just think that all fools in Ukraine. COUNTED !!!!
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 April 25 2014 11: 09
        0
        Hello dear, This gentleman voiced the fact that the gentlemen of their so-called Government joyfully picked up. They are saying in all that there is no one to speak with the Southeast, there are some local problems, but they are talking about state problems. into the hands of the usurpers of power, they do pipes that there is no even a plan there are no representatives of empowerment, in both Europeans and assents of course, but if there is no LEGALITY TO TALK NO concerned about those pipes Kiev authorities, challenge now is to break into these areas UKRAINE VOTE THERE and along the way put to flight all they express teroristov MOL is no other way, the Russians are also ready for THIS rEFERENDUM ALL NOW DECIDED THERE IN THE EAST AS are able to cope with the problems and clear communication, perhaps this is one of the important tasks before the crucial day of voting, here is the contradictory KNOWLEDGE, KIEV IS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE PUSHED OUT FROM COZY OFFICES IMMEDIATELY, AND WILL START THE OPERATION CLEARLY AGAINST THIS CITY IS FIRST, THERE IS MORE UNIFIED AND ENSURES CONFIDENCE THAT SLAVIAN STANDS THIS OPINION OF RESIDENTS, BUT ALREADY ALREADY VISIBLE THEM THE SPECIALIZED SERVICES ARE EXPERIENCED EVERYTHING. THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO THEIR dilute PRAVOSEKAMI TE moment everything is to try to spoil and IT at the right while it turns UNFORTUNATELY, WE WILL BE WAITING wish to militias military success it is needed and most importantly stay alive, KIEV their defenders CITY probably already written off as Muzychko, Jeda ALL THIS PEOPLE (RESIDENTS OF THESE REGIONS) TAKE EVERYTHING BEST TO STAND AND WIN, DISCUSSING THIS CHILDREN FRIENDLY AND HELPING, HELPING KIEV IN THIS terrible situation, THEY ARE YOURSELF WITHOUT YOURSELF
    2. Validator
      Validator April 25 2014 09: 53
      +3
      But who will ukrootsik ask? Spend like in the Crimea, there is experience
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 April 25 2014 12: 03
        0
        Quote: Validator
        But who will ukrootsik ask? Spend like in the Crimea, there is experience
        Reply Quote Report Abuse

        Mistaken kindly THERE REPUBLIC WAS AND IS is another, And DOMBASS IS ALREADY AREA is quite another COMPOTE, AND ALL OTHER TERMS AND VIOLATE THEIR PUTIN WILL NOT, EVERYTHING MUST DELIVER TO YOUR LOCATION JUST REFERENDUM TO HIM PREPARE AND KIEV IN THE FORM military operations and RUSSIANS, UNTIL THERE IS ANY CLARITY, BUT SEEMS IN THE SOUTH-EAST, UNDERSTAND AND NOW STARTED TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS YOURSELF AS YOU RESOLVE AS SO, WE WILL NOW ALREADY TAKE IT OUT ALWAYS ALREADY AS TIME. AND INTERNATIONAL OBLIGATIONS, THERE IS NO ONE FOR THE UKRAINIANS TO DO IT, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT IN VISION THE COMMISSION OF OSCE IS PUSHED BY A WILL OF DISPLAY, AND IT WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO SEE THEM EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYTHING. SUCH A REFERENDUM WILL NOT TAKE PLACE AND OBSERVERS WILL LEAVE SAVING THEIR LIFE, BEFORE EUROPEAN ONLY NOW BEGINS TO FIND HOW THEY HAVE FOUND, SO IT IS PRESSED TO KIEV QUICKLY UNDERSTAND SOUTH-EAST,
    3. Pavel Sinko
      Pavel Sinko April 25 2014 09: 56
      +5
      A little off topic but still.
      The company "SUN InBev" has released a limited batch of premium beer "Siberian Crown" in a new collection package - "Heroes of the Great War." The updated series will go on sale throughout Russia from the beginning of May 2014.

      The concept, combining the design of collection jars and bottles, is a continuation of the large-scale campaign “Russia, which we are proud of,” launched by SUN InBev.
      This is what the company’s subsidiary of Anheuser-Bush InBev company will do on the bottles and banks will be the images of our heroes of Russia. I consider such behavior of the company immoral. Help people reach out to the authorities and stop abusing the memory of our ancestors.
    4. atalef
      atalef April 25 2014 10: 57
      0
      Quote: mamont5
      And with what fright? And if the referendum aims to change the structure of Ukraine, or even separate from it in FIG?


      And according to Russian law (even taking into account the federal structure) - is it allowed to hold referenda - casting doubt on the territorial integrity of the country and its federal division?
      Anyone have info?
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  2. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 25 2014 09: 46
    +3
    Ukraine is already a Uniate state, so let them live with those who want it! And the US East is forced to conquer in order to preserve for itself what they invested money for!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 25 2014 09: 51
      +5
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And the US East is forced to conquer in order to preserve for itself what they invested money for!


      Donetsk region provides about 20% of the state industrial production with a population of 10%. Oh how.
      1. VengefulRat
        VengefulRat April 25 2014 10: 02
        +1
        By the way, the results of Internet voting in the Southeast and the elections. Everything speaks for itself.
        http://modsite.by/allresult/#.U1n5vUCdVVc
        1. atalef
          atalef April 25 2014 11: 01
          +1
          Quote: VengefulRat
          http://modsite.by/allresult/#.U1n5vUCdVVc

          Internet voting does not mean anything. So OBS and nothing more. Half do not have Internet access, 75% of those who do not know about this survey.
          Based on it - how to conduct an Internet vote in Zimbabwe which country is the most powerful in the world, the first 3 place is unknown who will be. but the 4th will definitely be Zimbabwe laughing
  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 25 2014 09: 48
    +3
    You even need to hold referendums. Kiev authorities are illegitimate. To overcome legal chaos in Ukraine, local referenda are needed. Whom the current state of affairs suits, let them sit and be silent, this is their business. Those who do not want to live under the fascist junta will express their opinion, and we will support them.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 25 2014 11: 55
      0
      Quote: Thought Giant
      You even need to hold referendums. Kiev authorities are illegitimate.

      You yourself have voiced the reasons for the refusal of the referendum to the Southeast. It is the illegitimacy of the current government that will force the people to make a choice in favor of federalization, even those who were against it at first.
      In general, federalization is a time bomb in the foundation of the state, because is the Achilles heel of integrity. That is why I believe that federalization in Ukraine is needed in order to gradually unite, to return, together with the population, an artificially divided country. And inside Russia, the federal structure must be gradually abolished, depriving the subjects of republican status. If they began to call everyone - the Russians, so let us all, without exception. And then the story goes in a circle, in troubled times we can again be divided by administrative boundaries. hi
      1. atalef
        atalef April 25 2014 12: 04
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        That is why I believe that federalization in Ukraine is needed in order to gradually unite, to return, together with the population, an artificially divided country. And inside Russia, the federal structure needs to be gradually abolished,

        Hi Igor, you’re interesting, it means Ukraine must be both hands for federalization (maybe this suits Russia), but federalization in Russia is bad.
        You don’t think that they don’t want what Russia wants and in every way resist it.
        By the way, you know in the Russian Federation in 1991 or 96 I don’t remember anymore; in Tatarstan, the referendum was almost the same. which RF is seeking to be held in Ukraine.
        Just for some reason, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation canceled both the referendum and its results as unconstitutional. and after all there, it seems like the will of the people was the same.
        Does it not seem strange to you that the expression of the will of your own citizens was somehow started on the drum (by the way, the referendum was canceled as well as its results in 2001 - already under Putin.
        Here is such garbage. What do you say ?
        1. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh April 25 2014 14: 26
          0
          What about vestment in Chechnya?
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 25 2014 16: 11
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Here is such garbage. What do you say ?

          Hi Sanya. hi I’ve already said something like that, but I’ll explain it to you again. laughing Russia and Ukraine are one divided people, and since federalization is an occasion to divide the country from the outside, then for Russia (and for most of Ukraine) this is beneficial, since as a result there will be a gradual unification of countries, well, or for the most part.
          A referendum in Tatarstan was aimed at the subsequent split of Russia, and Putin could not help but understand this, and therefore canceled the results. hi
  4. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time April 25 2014 09: 48
    +8
    How did such statements get to nausea
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 April 25 2014 10: 02
      +3
      Don't let this NOODLET hang on your ears. It is necessary to move the BRAINS: - if a gang from Kiev uses the "guillotine" as a medicine, then what will happen after the "aggravation"? And if this is what: - Dressed a humbling shirt to the people, and part of the population of the Southeast will be sent to the "trade" camp, this type of income is flourishing in the United States. So, the southeast has two paths:
      1. achieve independence from the Nazis;
      2. go "to the slaughter" to the Nazis, like a herd ...
  5. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 25 2014 09: 49
    +1
    Probably, everything should happen according to the situation ... Is a referendum in certain areas legal? I think in the current situation it is legal ...
  6. Name
    Name April 25 2014 09: 50
    +8
    About the referendum baptist He promised, but not earlier than 25 in May, and after the East put together and liberated, so after all, to trust the bandits, do not respect yourself. Apparently BE NEWS and it must be recognized as the fact that the Crimea is RUSSIA.
  7. Igor Gor
    Igor Gor April 25 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Bandera twists ass)))
  8. kondor-espada
    kondor-espada April 25 2014 09: 58
    +3
    In order for the referendum in the South-East of Ukraine to go smoothly, it is necessary that at least the punitive troops of Kiev go away.
  9. ssf2257
    ssf2257 April 25 2014 10: 02
    +1
    When there is complete anarchy in the country, when all laws are turned upside down and the people suffer from this, there’s nothing to say, it’s clear that we need a new government and law and do it from scratch, from the very beginning, from the people's will! And rightly so, it’s honestly !!!
  10. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 25 2014 10: 06
    +4
    It does not fit in with everything, the junta’s behavior is completely devoid of logic.
    They’ll turn off the gas almost tomorrow, the European commissioners themselves will come to tear them up for the collapse that has begun in Europe, it’s scary to think about what will happen in Ukraine itself, and Kiev at that time .... DEMANDS, PUTS THE ULTIMATUES OF RUSSIA ...
    Where is at least a drop of common sense, where is the logic ???
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    2. atalef
      atalef April 25 2014 11: 03
      0
      Quote: Gagarin
      It does not fit like that, the junta’s behavior is completely devoid of logic. Almost tomorrow they will turn off the gas

      Who turns off - and they will tear
      1. Name
        Name April 25 2014 12: 34
        0
        They will not tear, since the EU itself is consumers and rely on delusions from Africa, America, delirium, development of oil shale in their territories, delirium squared, and
        Quote: atalef
        Who turns off - and they will tear
        RUSSIA is already to blame for everything in Ukraine, so one accusation is more, one less is not important.
    3. Babon
      Babon April 25 2014 11: 55
      +1
      Here, unfortunately, atalef is right. From the west they are already threatening not to cut off gas to Ukraine. No one wants to know that there is no payment. In general, Russia will be blamed. About the lack of payments, they don’t want to know anything in the West.
      But Prodan generally said, after a visit to Moscow, Russia itself was to blame for the lack of payment for gas supplies, they promised 15 billion cu give out? Tranches were canceled, which means there is nothing to pay, so Ukraine is not obliged to pay. The logic in humans is very interesting.
  11. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 25 2014 10: 25
    +1
    when deciding on the status of individual territories, it is necessary to ask the opinion of voters throughout the country. In this case, we must proceed from the fact that Ukraine is a unitary state.

    With a balanced parliament and representation of all regions. With a legitimate president and the absence of armed rebellion and a coup. With the quorum of the legislative assembly and constitutional amendments, as well as in the implementation of intergovernmental agreements of February 21.
    Otherwise, all words about unitarity and about the state in general are nothing. There is no popular confidence in the current government, there is a dictate of people, chosen by someone unknown, without a popular mandate. As VVP said yesterday, "this is a junta, the most natural, some kind of clique."
    This expression quite clearly defines the attitude of countries at the state level, they do not deserve any other attitude. It is easy to provoke the Russian Federation to send troops and thereby inflame an international scandal - all you have to do is to continue to crush your people. If so, then it will be so, but in this case let them smear their foreheads with brilliant green in advance, none of the representatives of the current "government" in Kiev will leave. And we will wet the "right sector" in toilets, Galicia will remember us to hiccups, even in the next 50 years.
  12. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn April 25 2014 10: 28
    0
    Ukraine actually does not have a unitary state, they draw it on Facebook and Ukrainian media, and they dream of creating it using fascist terrorist methods. Death to the Junta and its accomplices.
  13. Fish supervision
    Fish supervision April 25 2014 10: 35
    +1
    They have no logic or common sense; there is cocaine and Scientology. The brain is poisoned, treatment is impossible negativeOnly the elimination of these individuals is suitable.
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 25 2014 10: 51
    +1
    This Michael Ohendovsky apparently has a difficult personal experience. When his wife went to the young and rich, he also rubbed her about the unitary family and the need to interview each inhabitant of their entrance, who suddenly is against it. I suspect that he was quickly and simply sent far and for a long time.
  15. mister2013
    mister2013 April 25 2014 11: 12
    0
    Why are they silent about these heroes? Transcarpathia - second front
    http://alternate-politics.info/content/zakarpate_vtoroi_front
  16. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 25 2014 11: 14
    +1
    Gagarin UA ... Almost tomorrow they will turn off the gas, European commissioners themselves will come to tear them for the collapse in Europe...

    You are mistaken, they will TURN not Kiev with bandits, but Russia will blaspheme what the light is on, demanding to give gas to Ukraine for free.
  17. kelevra
    kelevra April 25 2014 11: 15
    +1
    A referendum is not possible, but an armed deposition of power with a large number of victims is possible!
  18. mister2013
    mister2013 April 25 2014 11: 16
    0
    holding a national referendum in conjunction with the presidential election on May 25.- nonsense !!! According to all international rights, a referendum is launched separately, and then elections request
    1. atalef
      atalef April 25 2014 11: 38
      -1
      Quote: mister2013
      rave!!! According to all international rights, a referendum is launched separately, and then elections

      What you wrote is nonsense. Especially regarding --- international law * by the way what is it?)
    2. atalef
      atalef April 25 2014 11: 38
      0
      Quote: mister2013
      rave!!! According to all international rights, a referendum is launched separately, and then elections

      What you wrote is nonsense. Especially regarding --- international law * by the way what is it?)
  19. andj61
    andj61 April 25 2014 11: 36
    0
    Can local status referendums be held?


    Not only possible, but necessary! Making a decision on a local referendum is just as legitimate as announcing a May 25 presidential election. No local referendum law? So the choice of the president under the unreleased and lively former president also contradicts, moreover, the constitution - the basic law of the country.
  20. Gloria45
    Gloria45 April 25 2014 11: 52
    +1
    Mojet komu prigoditsia
  21. Wolland
    Wolland April 25 2014 11: 57
    0
    The south-east of Ukraine is already preparing for a referendum ..... we are waiting like the Crimea as part of the Russian Federation, the Slav brothers all the same.
  22. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 25 2014 12: 03
    +1
    When it is profitable for them, they recall the Constitution and laws. PEOPLE - this is the law. From this we must proceed to the Southeast.
  23. imugn
    imugn April 25 2014 12: 26
    0
    What is the use of asking the head of the CEC about the referendum - it is clear that he will not want to deviate from existing laws.
  24. Neighbor
    Neighbor April 25 2014 17: 59
    0
    Referendums in non-democratic countries are just as obligatory as non-compliance with their results in democratic countries, for which, in fact, is being held! Just imagine, if only a certain country would conduct a survey of residents on their return to the pre-Stalin era and separation from the left-bank Ukraine ....
  25. sv68
    sv68 April 25 2014 18: 15
    0
    Kiev follows the thesis — a cat is supposed to be put in a little claw, but the essence is that the Kiev government is illegal and its decisions for regions and ukroins are not binding, so a referendum automatically becomes legal for expression in the regions