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How Stalin freed the ruble from the dollar. Stalin's plan to create a common "non-dollar" market

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1947 reform of the year


The Soviet monetary system stood the test of war. Thus, the money supply in Germany increased by 6 times during the war years (although the Germans brought goods to themselves from all over Europe and a large part of the USSR); in Italy - 10 times; in Japan - 11 times. In the USSR, the money supply during the war years increased only 3,8 times.

However, the Great Patriotic War gave rise to a number of negative phenomena that had to be eliminated. First, there was a discrepancy between the amount of money and the needs of trade. There was a surplus of money. Secondly, several kinds of prices appeared - rations, commercial and market. This undermined the value of the wage and the cash income of the collective farmers for their workdays. Thirdly, large sums of money have settled with the speculators. And the difference in prices still gave them the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of the population. This undermined social justice in the country.

Immediately after the end of the war, the state conducted a series of measures aimed at strengthening the monetary system and increasing the welfare of the population. The consumer demand of the population increased by increasing payroll funds and reducing payments to the financial system. So, from August 1945, began to abolish the military tax on workers and employees. The tax was finally abolished at the beginning of 1946. They didn’t spend more money-lottery lots and reduced the size of the subscription to the new government loan. In the spring of 1946, savings banks began to pay workers and employees compensation for unused vacations during the war. Post-war industrial restructuring began. There was some growth in the commodity fund due to the restructuring of the industry and by reducing the consumption of armed forces and the implementation of trophies. For the withdrawal of money from circulation continued the expansion of commercial trade. In 1946, the commercial trade acquired a rather wide scope: a wide network of shops and restaurants was created, the range of goods was expanded and their price was reduced. The end of the war led to a fall in prices on collective farm markets (by more than a third).

How Stalin freed the ruble from the dollar. Stalin's plan to create a common "non-dollar" marketHowever, by the end of 1946, the adverse events were not completely eliminated. Therefore, the course on monetary reform was kept. In addition, the release of new money and the exchange of old money for new was necessary in order to eliminate money that went abroad and improve the quality of money.

According to the testimony of the USSR Commissar of Finance Arseny Zverev (he managed the USSR finances since 1938), for the first time, Stalin inquired about the possibility of monetary reform at the end of December 1942, and demanded that the first calculations be presented at the beginning of 1943. Initially, monetary reform was planned for 1946. However, due to the famine, which was caused by drought and crop failure in a number of Soviet regions, the beginning of the reform had to be postponed. Only 3 December 1947, the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) decided to cancel the card system and start monetary reform.

The conditions for monetary reform were defined in the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) of December 14 1947. Money exchanges were conducted throughout the Soviet Union from 16 to 22 December 1947, and in remote areas ended December 29. At recalculation of a salary money exchanged so that the salary remained without change. The loose change was not subject to exchange and remained in circulation at par. For cash deposits in Sberbank, amounts up to 3 thousand rubles were also subject to one-to-one exchange; for deposits from 3 to 10 thousand rubles, savings were reduced by one third of the amount; for deposits of more than 10 thousand rubles, two thirds of the amount was subject to withdrawal. Those citizens who kept large sums of money at home, could exchange at the rate of 1 a new ruble to 10 old. Relatively preferential terms for the exchange of cash accumulations were established for holders of government bonds: the bonds of the loan 1947 were not subject to revaluation; mass loan bonds were exchanged for bonds of a new loan in the ratio of 3: 1, bonds of the freely floating loan 1938 were exchanged in the ratio of 5: 1. The funds that were in the settlement and current accounts of the cooperative organizations and collective farms were revalued at the rate of 5 old rubles for 4 new.

At the same time, the government abolished the rationing system (earlier than other winning countries), high prices in commercial trade, and introduced uniform lower government retail prices for food and industrial goods. Thus, prices for bread and flour were reduced on average by 12% against current ration prices; for cereals and pasta - on 10%, etc.

Thus, in the USSR, the negative consequences of the war in the monetary system were eliminated. This made it possible to switch to trading at a single price and reduce the money supply by more than three times (from 43,6 to 14 billion rubles). Overall, the reform was successful.

In addition, the reform had a social aspect. Speculators pressed. This restored social justice trampled during the war years. At first glance, it seemed that everyone suffered, because everyone on 15 December had some money in their hands. But an ordinary worker and employee living on a salary, who by the middle of the month had not much money left, suffered only nominally. He did not even remain without money, since December 16 had already begun to issue wages with new money for the first half of the month, which they usually did not do. Salaries were usually issued monthly after the completion of the month. Thanks to this extradition, workers and employees were provided with new money at the beginning of the reform. The exchange of 3 thousand rubles of the contribution of 1: 1 satisfied the overwhelming majority of the population, as people did not have significant funds. Calculated for the entire adult population, the average contribution on the passbook could not be more than 200 rubles. It is clear that the “Stakhanovites”, inventors and other small groups of the population who had super-profits lost some of their money with speculators. But given the general decline in prices, they did not win, yet they did not suffer much. True, those who kept large sums of money at home could be dissatisfied. This concerned speculative groups of the population and part of the population of the South Caucasus and Central Asia who did not know the war and for this reason had the opportunity to trade.

It should be noted, the uniqueness of the Stalinist system, which was able to withdraw most of the money from the circulation of money and at the same time the majority of ordinary people did not suffer. At the same time, the whole world was struck by the fact that just two years after the end of the war and after the poor harvest of 1946, the main food prices were kept at the ration level or even reduced. That is, almost all the food was available to everyone in the USSR.

This for the Western world was unexpected and insulting. The capitalist system was literally driven into the dirt to the ears. So, the United Kingdom, on whose territory the war had not been going on for four years and which had suffered immensely less in war than the USSR, could not cancel the rationing system at the beginning of the 1950s. At that time, in the former “workshop of the world”, miners went on strike, demanding that they be provided with a standard of living like those of the USSR miners.

How Stalin freed the ruble from the dollar

The Soviet ruble from 1937 was pegged to the US dollar. The ruble exchange rate was calculated against foreign currencies based on the US dollar. In February, the Central Statistical Office of the USSR, on the urgent task of I. Stalin, recalculated the exchange rate of the new ruble. Soviet experts, focusing on the purchasing power of the ruble and the dollar (they compared the prices of goods), and derived the 1950 rubles per 14 dollar figure. Earlier (up to 1), the dollar was given 1947 rubles for a dollar. However, according to the head of the Ministry of Finance Zverev and the head of the State Planning Committee Saburov, as well as those present at the event, the Chinese Prime Minister Zhou Enlai and the head of Albania Enver Hoxha, Stalin 53 February crossed out this figure and wrote: “At most 27 rubles.”

The resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR from February 28 1950 transferred the ruble to a permanent gold base, the peg to the dollar was canceled. The gold content of the ruble was set at 0,222168 grams of pure gold. From 1 March 1950, the purchase price of the USSR State Bank for gold in 4 rubles was established. 45 cop per 1 grams of pure gold. As Stalin noted, the USSR was thus protected from the dollar. After the war, the USA had dollar surpluses that they wanted to dump on other countries, shifting their financial problems to others. As an example of the indefinite financial, and therefore political, dependence on the Western world, Joseph Stalin cited Yugoslavia, where Josip Broz Tito ruled. The Yugoslav currency was pegged to the “basket” of the US dollar and British pound sterling. Stalin actually predicted the future of Yugoslavia: "... sooner or later, the West will" collapse "Yugoslavia economically and politically dismember ...". His prophetic words came true in 1990's.

For the first time, national money was exempted from the US dollar. According to the UN Economic and Social Council, the UN European and Far Eastern Commissions (1952-1954), Stalin’s decision almost doubled the effectiveness of Soviet exports. And in that period - industrial and high-tech. This happened due to the exemption from the dollar prices of importing countries, which lowered the prices of Soviet exports. In turn, this led to an increase in production in most Soviet industries. Also, the Soviet Union was able to get rid of the import of technology from the United States and other countries, which focused on the dollar and accelerate their own technological innovation.

Stalin's plan to create a common "non-dollar" market

The transfer of most of the USSR trade with the countries of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA), established in 1949, and also with China, Mongolia, North Korea, Vietnam and a number of developing countries, to the Stalinist gold ruble led to the formation of a financial and economic bloc. There was a common market that was free of the dollar and that meant the political influence of the United States.

In the first half of April 1952, the international economic meeting was held in Moscow. On it, the Soviet delegation led by Deputy Chairman of the USSR Council of Ministers Shepilov proposed the establishment of a common market for goods, services and investments. It was free of the US dollar and was created in opposition to the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) and US expansion. At this time, the Marshall Plan was already in full swing. The economy of most European countries turned out to be dependent on the United States.

The members of the CMEA and China back in the 1951 year declared the inevitability of close cooperation of all countries that do not want to subordinate the US dollar and the dictates of Western financial and trading structures. The idea was supported by such countries as Afghanistan, Iran, India, Indonesia, Yemen, Syria, Ethiopia, Yugoslavia and Uruguay. These countries became co-organizers of the Moscow Forum. Interestingly, the proposal was supported by some Western countries - Sweden, Finland, Ireland, Iceland and Austria. In total, 49 countries participated in the Moscow meeting. During his tenure, more than 60 trade, investment and science and technology agreements were signed. Among the basic principles of these agreements were: the exclusion of dollar settlements; the possibility of barter, including debt repayment; coordination of policies in international economic organizations and the world market; mutual regime of maximum favor in credits, investments, credits and scientific and technical cooperation; customs and price privileges for developing states (or their individual goods), etc.

The Soviet delegation proposed at the first stage to conclude bilateral or multilateral agreements on customs, price, credit and commodity issues. Then they planned to carry out a gradual unification of the principles of foreign economic policy and create a “block-wide” trade zone. At the final stage, they planned to create an interstate settlement currency with an obligatory gold content (the ruble was already prepared for this), which led to the completion of the creation of a common market. It is clear that financial and economic integration led to political integration. Not only socialist but also people's democratic and former colonies, that is, developing states, would unite around the USSR.

Unfortunately, after the death of Stalin, the authorities of the USSR and most other CMEA countries moved away from the proposals of the great leader, gradually falling under the power of the dollar (and their elites under the power of the "golden calf"). We tried to forget about the great Stalinist project. Moreover, in view of the socio-economic and political adventures of Khrushchev ("Khrushchev" as the first restructuring), I had to greatly devalue the "Stalinist gold ruble" (10 times) and reduce its gold content. At the end of 1970, the gold content of the Soviet ruble was de facto eliminated altogether. From the time of Khrushchev, Soviet foreign trade began to move into a subordinate position in relation to the dollar system. The value of goods delivered from the Union to capitalist countries was calculated in conditional "foreign currency rubles" at the rate of 1 dollars = 0,6 of the foreign currency ruble. In addition, the Soviet Union became the “donor” of developing countries and began to supply the Western world with cheap energy and industrial raw materials. And the gold reserve, which was created under Stalin, began to rapidly lose.

The idea of ​​"Soviet globalization" at the financial and economic level and freedom from the US dollar, depending on the US Federal Reserve System, is more relevant today than ever. Actually nothing and no need to invent. Everything has already given Russia Joseph Stalin. It is only necessary to show political will and bring his plans to their logical conclusion. Then Russia will be completely independent on financial and economic priority, will undermine the power of the Fed, Western TNB and TNCs and will receive a powerful tool for the “Russian globalization”. Russia will receive a powerful tool for the development of the national economy and the development of the people's welfare.

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  1. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 25 2014 08: 19
    +20
    Someone must be obliged to outline this article, study and pass exams. Who specifically everyone knows without me.
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    2. atalef
      atalef April 25 2014 11: 36
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      1947 reform of the year

      The Soviet monetary system stood the test of war. Thus, the money supply in Germany increased by 6 times during the war years (although the Germans brought goods to themselves from all over Europe and a large part of the USSR); in Italy - 10 times; in Japan - 11 times. In the USSR, the money supply during the war years increased only 3,8 times.

      What about the author’s interesting numbers?
      Maybe the author twitches the facts a little
      As a result of the reform, the money supply decreased by 3.5 times (it was a reform very similar to the reform of 1993 (who remembers))
      The monetary reform of 1947 in the USSR was carried out from December 16 to December 29, 1947. The second monetary reform in the USSR [1]. The monetary reform was carried out in the form of confiscation denomination and was very similar to the reform in post-Soviet Russia in 1993 [2]. That is, all the savings of the population were taken from people [2]. Simultaneously with the monetary reform, the card system for the supply of food and industrial goods was canceled. During the reform, cash was exchanged for one week, in remote areas of the Far North - for two weeks

      After the people have withdrawn all the savings
      You have completely forgotten that, unlike the USSR, in Japan. America and Germany (up to 1944)
      The monetary system was in effect
      In the USSR, money receded into the background. there was a card support system - which in general replaced largely monetary.
      Therefore compare these things. how to compare warm with green.
      Completely different and incomparable.
      1. allexx83
        allexx83 April 25 2014 22: 47
        +12
        Only in 1947 the USSR was the first in Europe to cancel the card system.
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 05
          +24
          The USSR was the first to do many things at that time. You can't list everything.
      2. old man 72
        old man 72 April 26 2014 02: 00
        +30
        atalef.And you lived at that time and saw this ??? But I lived at that time and I remember him well. The author of the article didn’t distort or embellish anything. And I’ll add from myself: every year until the death of STALIN, in the spring they reduced prices for products and goods by 10-25%. If you could put I wish you 100 minuses for your comment, but I have the right to put one, which I did.
        1. Vladimir 23rus
          Vladimir 23rus April 27 2014 09: 42
          +8
          Join soldier
        2. Fagost
          Fagost 21 January 2016 13: 47
          +3
          I completely agree with your statement.
        3. Peter Volkov
          Peter Volkov 15 November 2018 21: 27
          0
          That's right. I well remember life in the 50s and Khrushchev's art. At the beginning of the 50s we lived in a village and I well remember that atmosphere of an eternal holiday, which was just in the air then. Whether it was a consequence of victory in the war, or the prospects of an upcoming happy life, I can’t presume to say, then I only went to first grade. But I well remember how my father and other adults told us, barefoot small fry: we lived hard, worked hard, fought, but we provided you with a happy life, now, they say, it's your turn to study, work and provide for our old age. And I can’t say that our generation fairly honestly fulfilled these covenants: we lost the country and Soviet power and I don’t know what to give our children and grandchildren with. Well, not the same thieves' power that seized and ruined our homeland? And on the other hand, if not children and grandchildren, then who will correct our mistakes? Therefore, I have no choice but to repeat the call of our fathers: For the Motherland, for Stalin! For we have not developed our ideology, and we do not need someone else's.
          1. Chervonny
            Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 15
            +24
            We had our own ideology. It was called Soviet power. Now the authorities are trying to denigrate it and impose on us an alien ideology of consumerism.
        4. Chervonny
          Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 06
          +28
          If then prices were lowered every year, now they are raising prices for everything every year, but they somehow forget about raising wages ...
      3. Shuttle
        Shuttle 1 December 2016 12: 39
        0
        Quote: atalef

        You have completely forgotten that, unlike the USSR, in Japan. America and Germany (up to 1944)
        There was a monetary system ...

        The author, referring to the card system abroad pointing to the winning countries, called England. Points nnnada?
        And to refer to Germany 44 of the year - this is generally the highest aerobatics!
        hi
      4. NordUral
        NordUral 19 August 2017 11: 17
        +1
        The thimble is you, atalef.
      5. Skif83
        Skif83 15 January 2018 14: 33
        +1
        Let's just say that the card system was canceled in the USSR in 1947. During the “Pavlovian” reform, Soviet money in the Union republics was practically “nullified” and funds on deposits were frozen, the goals of these reforms were not entirely the same! The Stalinist reform is in the interests of the state, and the "Pavlovian" reform is in the interests of the collapse of the state!
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 16
          +26
          The Pavlovsk reform, like the subsequent Yeltsin reform, was aimed at impoverishing the people.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 26 January 2017 11: 24
      0
      This reform was terrible for the people. She degreased the already meager contributions of the population, especially for the military, not speculators. The fight against speculators was more of a screen for robbing the population of the USSR.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 19 August 2017 11: 19
        +1
        Sibiralt! about the robbery, I ask in more detail, please.
      2. Skif83
        Skif83 15 January 2018 14: 36
        0
        Facts with numbers in the studio ... Otherwise - chatter! Usually liberals hide behind general words about the people, etc.
    4. Chervonny
      Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 04
      +26
      Doctors of various economic sciences have divorced among us, apparently, not apparently, but there is zero sense from them.
  2. saag
    saag April 25 2014 08: 25
    +4
    the currency with gold security is the Rothschilds dream, their theme is gold, someone pumps oil, and they immediately gold
    1. atalef
      atalef April 25 2014 13: 21
      0
      Quote: saag
      gold-backed currency is the Rothschilds dream

      So Stalin wanted to realize the Rothschilds dream belay
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 19 August 2017 11: 32
        0
        Dreams of the Rothschilds - Is it really a dream? So, the miserable aspirations of usury.
    2. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris April 25 2014 17: 04
      +1
      Hmm ... And what is the money? Answer please.
      1. Chervonny
        Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 22
        +25
        From the encyclopedia: Money is an equivalent that serves as a measure of the value of any commodity. In its form, money can be a special commodity ...
  3. erased
    erased April 25 2014 08: 51
    +39
    The independent independent policy of a huge state, which removed not only the USSR, but also many other countries from the influence of the West, was the merit of Stalin. Not the only one, of course. The States and the financial and commercial world group could never forgive this to Stalin. And do not forget about him.
    We will not forget this either. Because Stalin did for the country and for the people as much as all the rulers of the past and the subsequent did not. But for us he is a hero and an example of serving the people.
    1. Roman1970
      Roman1970 April 25 2014 10: 31
      +9
      Stalin's figure is ambiguous, but, by and large, you are right.
      1. Chervonny
        Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 22
        +27
        There is an objective reality that cannot be dismissed: in the mass consciousness of our people, Stalin has been the largest and best statesman since the emergence of our statehood.
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    3. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris April 25 2014 17: 06
      +8
      For this, and not only that, he was travanuli. If he had lived a couple of years longer, we would not have known the USSR.
      1. Chervonny
        Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 23
        +24
        According to the scientist Sergei Lopatnikov:
        Since Stalin's death, tens of billions of dollars have been spent on discrediting him, primarily in the USSR and Russia. Thousands of pseudo-historical films have been shot, mountains of lies are piled up, thousands of “historians” are brainwashing people all over the world, making Stalin a “horror story” for children ...
    4. Zlata
      Zlata April 25 2014 23: 46
      0
      I don’t know how it is for you, but for me he is a bloody dictator who destroyed millions of his people and put the country on the brink of survival. I don’t understand why a separate part of our people, having spit on the graves of innocently executed and tortured compatriots, still subservient to Dzhugashvili.
      1. S.V. Lekomtsev
        S.V. Lekomtsev April 26 2014 10: 33
        +2
        The same can be said of Peter I, but he is also honored and praised!
      2. Old warrior
        Old warrior 7 July 2017 23: 47
        +4
        You, the intellectuals, will never understand what Our People value and respect such as Ivan the Terrible and Comrade Stalin - they turned their heads to the POWER-HOLDING. The only thing in which one can blame Comrade Stalin is that not all of the Enemies of the People have been corrupted by the root. He was kind. To us it was in the 91st oh oh how it rang. Now you would look, they lived under Communism. As for the cries of drinking the "innocent" slaughtered hundreds of millions - all this is a Falsehood. And who continues to fuss about it - either a pest or a traitor.
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 19 August 2017 11: 27
        0
        Time will put everything in its place. And bury a lie about that great time.
      4. efimich41
        efimich41 16 September 2018 17: 26
        +1
        +1
        "I don’t know about you, but for me he is a bloody dictator who destroyed millions of his people and put the country on the brink of survival."

        In my opinion, we now greatly lack such a "dictator". Learn history and use facts. I.V. Stalin took the backward countries with a plow, and left them with missiles and the atom. His merits: The industrialization of the country in a short time, the transformation of the army, the destruction of the 5th column in the country before and during the war, victory in the war, rebuilding the country after the war, improving the welfare of workers, not speculators, general education, health care, etc. ... And only the enemies of the people were destroyed, moreover, not all. Why did he keep the Bendera people - he regretted it, but they did not appreciate it, did not repent. Ie Stalin was a very kind-hearted person. But all normal people love and respect him to this day.
      5. Pyctam
        Pyctam 16 November 2018 18: 00
        0
        And more specifically, how many millions and what innocent people shot - as is customary here to write figures and facts in the studio
      6. Chervonny
        Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 23
        +27
        During the first 19 years of ruling the country, Stalin increased its industrial production by almost 70 times and turned from an African state into the second in the world, and by a number of parameters, the first in the world. Traitors and Russophobes spread tales about the millions who were shot.
    5. old man 72
      old man 72 April 26 2014 02: 02
      +2
      I agree with you STER!
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  4. avt
    avt April 25 2014 09: 35
    +21
    Quote: erased
    The independent independent policy of a huge state, which removed not only the USSR, but also many other countries from the influence of the West, was the merit of Stalin. Not the only one, of course. The States and the financial and commercial world group could never forgive this to Stalin. And do not forget about him.

    good And since that time they have been strangling all something like that right at the root, one does not have to go far for examples - Gaddafi, Mubarak. One had only to hint about the "golden dinar" for the Levant and Africa, the punitive actions followed immediately and mercilessly. But all the Gorbachev Pavlovs, who finished off the Soviet system, independent of the Fed, are heroes and saviors, not understood by geniuses.
  5. DAYMAN
    DAYMAN April 25 2014 09: 52
    +6
    Good article, there is something to think about ...
    1. 52
      52 April 25 2014 18: 43
      +5
      It makes sense to read about the Minister of Finance Zverev, do not be disappointed, Dear!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 19 August 2017 11: 33
        +1
        Worth it. Here is the link: http://ipolk.ru/blog/3697.html
        1. skrabplus.ru
          skrabplus.ru 9 October 2018 22: 49
          0
          An excellent article, perhaps, you need to broadcast it on TV every day instead of fake news, you look, and something will change for the better ...
  6. leks
    leks April 25 2014 10: 14
    +5
    So, thanks to Khrushchev and Brezhnev, they destroyed the idea and hurt Stalin, but if we had continued his idea and brought it to the end, we would have lived in a completely different world, but alas!
    Not long ago I watched a program guide 24 on finance, we were just discussing the dependence on the dollar of the entire world economy, they just told us how much we depend on the dollar, there one specialist said that the ruble is not our national currency, since our ruble is completely and completely dependent on the dollar ruble even though you call him a tugrik, it still won’t become ours, they also described that payments in rubles by Europe for our hydrocarbons can only be in the long run, as Europeans simply have nowhere to find so many rubles to pay bills.
    1. gfhjkm
      gfhjkm April 25 2014 11: 44
      +1
      payments in rubles by Europe for our hydrocarbons can only be in the long run, as Europeans simply have nowhere to find so many rubles to pay bills.

      I agree that in the long run when we can feed ourselves. how to switch to settlements in rubles with Europe where we will take euros and dollars to buy meat, food, medicine, everything is imported from Europe.
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      2. atalef
        atalef April 25 2014 11: 57
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        Quote: gfhjkm
        I agree that in the long run when we can feed ourselves. how to switch to settlements in rubles

        For this, the ruble must be at least convertible. , and how? With such inflation and a credit rating
        The international rating agency S&P reported a decrease in the sovereign credit rating of the Russian Federation for foreign currency liabilities from BBB to BBB-.

        The downgrade to the last notch before the "junk" rating is due to the massive outflow of capital from Russia in the light of the events in Ukraine.

        The rating on obligations in national currency was reduced from BBB + to BBB

        You can certainly talk about the machinations of the States - but the fact that the problems in the Russian economy are global - it speaks like GDP duck and DAM.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 25 2014 15: 56
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          For this, the ruble must be at least convertible. , and how?

          What's the problem?
          The issue of conversion is relevant only for countries with a negative trade balance.

          Quote: atalef
          With such inflation

          Inflation is quite manageable, it would be a desire. hi
          Quote: atalef
          credit rating

          We will listen to esenpi and others 3,14 ... (sorry hi ) agency of the "best" "partners"?
          Or look at the real situation?
          What, Russia does not pay debts? Nothing, like?

          It is no secret to anyone that the current economy has not been turned upside down, but on, say, (so that it was censored) hair.
          The conditions are dictated by the country (?) With the largest public debt and the largest negative foreign trade balance.
          This situation cannot last forever; sooner or later, the system will collapse.
          Who will collapse it is not so important.
          Russia will not do it - China will do it or they will do it together.
          The rules of the game should change - the abscess has matured and therapy is almost powerless.
          Quote: atalef
          You can certainly talk about the machinations of the States - but the fact that the problems in the Russian economy are global - it speaks like GDP duck and DAM.

          And who has no problems in the economy?
          If you sit and do nothing, then the problems will not go anywhere, but only worsen.
        2. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris April 25 2014 17: 11
          0
          Quote: atalef
          For this, the ruble must be at least convertible

          And for what the hell? Yuan, by the way, is never converted, but this does not interfere with China.
          1. Chervonny
            Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 24
            +25
            The problem is not in currency conversion, and not in the ability of reformers to manage economic processes, IMHO.
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 19 August 2017 11: 36
          +2
          The problems are not in the economy, the problems are in the power of Russia. A new Stalin will appear - the problems will also leave.
      3. kaa_andrey
        kaa_andrey April 25 2014 17: 42
        +7
        you yourself give the answer: in order for them to buy hydrocarbons, let them supply meat in exchange. Yes, barter, but in the implementation of credible supply schemes, with the currently positive balance of foreign trade for us, meat will cost us less, and let the difference be covered by new technologies and gold.
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    3. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris April 25 2014 17: 08
      0
      Did you realize this just now? Read the Central Bank Act of 1991.
  7. saag
    saag April 25 2014 10: 22
    +3
    the time of "dear Leonid Ilyich" was the best in the history of the USSR
    1. leks
      leks April 25 2014 10: 56
      +4
      No one argues that this time was the best in the entire existence of the USSR, but as IV Stalin predicted for Yugoslavia, "Stalin actually predicted the future of Yugoslavia:" ... sooner or later the West will "collapse" Yugoslavia economically and dismember politically ... "His prophetic words have come true since the 1990s. "
      The same thing happened to us, in fact, abandoning the provision of the ruble with gold and the creation of countries that pursue their economic policy free of the dollar, that is, the USSR of those times began to gradually depend on the dollar; in those times, the Iron Curtain helped us, but with raising the curtain, went downhill. 90x-00x you know.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 25 2014 11: 21
        -1
        Quote: leks
        IV Stalin predicted for Yugoslavia "Stalin actually predicted the future of Yugoslavia:" ... sooner or later the West will "collapse" Yugoslavia economically and dismember politically ... ".

        If not difficult, you can link to the original, I would like to read the whole article
        Quote: leks
        we, that is, the USSR of those times began to gradually depend on the dollar; in those times, the Iron Curtain helped us, but with the raising of the curtain everything went downhill. You know the history of 90x-00x.

        The USSR became attached to the dollar for the main reason.
        . The country's main export was oil and minerals - and they are traded for bucks.
      2. atalef
        atalef April 25 2014 11: 21
        +2
        Quote: leks
        IV Stalin predicted for Yugoslavia "Stalin actually predicted the future of Yugoslavia:" ... sooner or later the West will "collapse" Yugoslavia economically and dismember politically ... ".

        If not difficult, you can link to the original, I would like to read the whole article
        Quote: leks
        we, that is, the USSR of those times began to gradually depend on the dollar; in those times, the Iron Curtain helped us, but with the raising of the curtain everything went downhill. You know the history of 90x-00x.

        The USSR became attached to the dollar for the main reason.
        . The country's main export was oil and minerals - and they are traded for bucks.
        1. leks
          leks April 25 2014 11: 39
          +3
          atalef In those days it was still possible to dictate the terms for the sale of hydrocarbons from the country, that is, to sell for the same rubles or for gold, but no one wanted to do this, the Khrushchev had its own economic concepts such as making rockets like sausages or making corn from the country paradise.
          According to the memoirs of the Prime Minister of China Zhou Enlai, “Stalin recommended tightly regulating the rate of national money - at least until economic and social stabilization in the country.
          Quote: “..If a socialist country binds its currency to a capitalist currency, then the social-country should forget about an independent stable financial and economic system. I.V. Stalin. "
          As an example of perpetual financial, and, therefore, political dependence on the West, Stalin cited Yugoslavia, whose currency was tied to the “basket” of the US dollar and British pound. Stalin said: "... that sooner or later the West will Yugoslavia" collapse "economically and politically dismember ...".
          (This forecast came true 40 years after the death of Stalin, in 1991-1999, when the NATO military bloc, supporting separatism in Yugoslavia, unleashed military aggression and dismembered a single country)
          http://zakonvremeni.ru/analytics/6-2--/10089-stalinskij-zolotoj-rubl-zabytaya-is
          toriya.html
          1. atalef
            atalef April 25 2014 11: 51
            0
            Quote: leks
            atalef In those days, you could still dictate your terms for the sale of hydrocarbons from the country, i.e. sell for the same rubles or for gold, but no one wanted to do this

            Who to dictate? You probably forgot (or did not know) there was no shortage of oil. When needed, the States asked Saudi Arabia and she effortlessly dropped oil prices to 5 bucks per barrel, there was no one to dictate - they said thanks for buying
            Quote: leks
            Khrushchev had its own concepts of economics such as making rockets like sausages or making a corn paradise out of the country.

            But what does Khrushchov have to do with it? Khrushchov was in power for only 10 years, Before him there was no ice, and after him nothing became better, and after all more than 30 years passed after him (before the collapse)
            Quote: leks
            “.. If a socialist country binds its currency to a capitalist currency, then the social country must forget about an independent stable financial and economic system. I.V. Stalin. "

            So what is tied up? Or was it not under Stalin?
            Stalin as the same is not a little rule
            Quote: leks
            . Stalin said: "... that sooner or later the West will Yugoslavia" collapse "economically and politically dismember ...".

            Will someone give a link to the original?
            Further about your link. I’ve lived quite a lot and remember the price of gold products perfectly (583 samples - there was no other one in general),
            so here
            2. Set the gold content of the ruble to 0, 222168 grams of pure gold.

            that is, in theory, a gram of metal of 583 samples (i.e. gold in kg 583 g - the rest was copper) should have cost --- 2.5 -3 rubles
            You have ever seen 4 gram engagement ring for 12-15 rubles. I specifically took the engagement. Tk - there is nothing artistic in it and the processing is minimal. You know - I will bark and say 4 grams ring for 20r? Saw ... and would not see.
            But in theory, with gold collateral, gold cannot cost more in money than securing the same amount of money.
            Therefore, fairy tales are not necessary.
            We lived - we know.
            1. leks
              leks April 25 2014 12: 42
              +4
              I meant to conclude contracts for the supply of oil for rubles or gold, no one would mind, your Saudi Arabia extracted 1949 thousand tons of oil a day in 70, and there wasn’t even talk about collapsing oil prices in those years, it was a couple of decades later, and then the Saudis did this because they became the world leader in oil production.

              From the end of the 30s, the economy only grew until the outbreak of war in the aftermath of the war years and the economy was not very good, but then a couple of years later the recovery began, all thanks to the right economic policy, with the advent of the Soviet Union’s crap, it began to get involved in various adventures , in fact, it was Khrushchev who introduced such a concept as catching up and overtaking the United States, even to the detriment of his economy, only for the sake of prestige.

              The Council of Ministers of the USSR decided:
              1. From the 1 of March 1950 of the year, stop determining the exchange rate of the ruble against foreign currencies based on the dollar and transfer to a more stable gold basis, in accordance with the gold content of the ruble.
              2. Set the gold content of the ruble to 0, 222168 grams of pure gold.
              3. Establish from the 1 of March 1950 of the year the purchase price of the State Bank for gold in 4 rubles 45 cents for 1 grams of pure gold.
              4. From March 1 of 1950 of the year, determine the exchange rate in relation to foreign currencies based on the gold content of the ruble established in paragraph 2:
              4 RUB for one American dollar instead of the existing 5 r. 30 cop.
              11 rub. 20 cop. for one British pound instead of the existing 14 r. 84 cop.
              To instruct the USSR State Bank to accordingly change the ruble exchange rate in relation to other foreign currencies.
              In case of further changes in the gold content of foreign currencies or changes in their rates, the USSR State Bank shall establish the ruble exchange rate in relation to foreign currencies taking into account these changes. ”
              But in theory, with gold collateral, gold cannot cost more in money than securing the same amount of money.
              As for the links, look for the info on the Internet yourself, I found it all myself and read everything that I read about those times, it was documented.
              And the fact that for you this is a fairy tale or you believe in it or not, I absolutely do not care.
            2. Wheel
              Wheel April 25 2014 16: 00
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              that is, in theory, a gram of metal of 583 samples (that is, gold in kg 583 grams - the rest was copper) should have cost --- 2.5 -3 rubles. Have you ever seen 4 gram wedding rings for 12-15 rubles. I specifically took the engagement. Tk - there is nothing artistic in it and the processing is minimal. You know - I will bark and say 4 grams ring for 20r? I saw ... and I wouldn’t see it. But in theory, with gold collateral, gold cannot cost more in money than securing the same amount of money. Therefore, fairy tales are not necessary. We lived - we know.

              atalef, You are not a stupid person, but you confuse white and cold.
              No matter how simple the engagement ring is, it is, nevertheless, nothing more than a piece of jewelry.
              Have you ever heard about such a concept as "excise duty"?
              1. Sour
                Sour April 25 2014 16: 14
                +2
                Quote: Wheel
                Have you ever heard about such a concept as "excise duty"?

                In the USSR, excise duty was abolished in 1931.
                It revived only after the collapse of the USSR.
                In the USSR there was a sales tax, but this is not exactly an excise tax. It refers not to indirect taxes, but to direct ones. That is, it formally falls on the seller (or manufacturer), and not on the buyer, as an excise tax.
                You don’t know nichrome, gentlemen are red-bellied, but you climb with your knowledge.
                1. Wheel
                  Wheel April 25 2014 19: 56
                  +5
                  Quote: Sour
                  In the USSR, excise duty was abolished in 1931. It was revived only after the collapse of the USSR. In the USSR there was a sales tax, but this is not exactly an excise tax. It refers not to indirect taxes, but to direct ones. That is, it formally falls on the seller (or manufacturer), and not on the buyer, as an excise tax. You don’t know nichrome, gentlemen are red-bellied, but you climb with your knowledge.

                  You don’t know a damn thing, ladies and gentlemen, and if you know, then you’re distorting ... tongue
                  In Soviet times, the price of reticulated alcohol was 56 kop / liter.
                  Profit rate for distilleries 11%
                  hard liquor trade allowance 7%
                  Guess what constitutes the price of a bottle of vodka in 3 rubles62 kop and where did the "lost" money go?
                  The retail price for jewelry, tobacco, cars, carpets, furs (excluding sheepskin) and some other so-called "luxury goods" was formed similarly.

                  PS. You have to understand, Snickers didn’t help you yesterday?
                  Try to chew Big Mac - it’s definitely easier!
            3. zulusuluz
              zulusuluz April 25 2014 21: 39
              +3
              And you, having prepared soup, will you sell it at cost, without paying your labor? Yes, you are an altruist, probably ...
            4. efimich41
              efimich41 16 September 2018 17: 52
              0
              Gold was cheap until 1972. The cost of gold wedding rings was increased during Brezhnev, but initially for those entering into marriage, by a coupon from the registry office, the rings were sold at the old price.
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 25 2014 10: 59
      0
      Quote: saag
      the time of "dear Leonid Ilyich" was the best in the history of the USSR

      It was the best in the sense that, by inertia, they continued to use the groundwork and backlog of Stalin's times, there were quite progressive Kosygin reforms, the country reached the peak of its development. But it was in the era of the dear generalissimo (and with him and his health) that the country went down. During these years I was a kid, we lived normally in Sochi, but in Russia (as everything outside the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus was called) the conditions were incomparable. And when in 1985 I had the opportunity to compare how people live in St. Petersburg and in Estonia, I realized that "everything is not so simple" (tm).
      1. Sour
        Sour April 25 2014 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: inkass_98
        , but in Russia (as everyone was called outside the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus), the conditions were incomparable.

        And I was born and raised in the Russian Non-Black Earth Region.
        Therefore, I do not experience the slightest nostalgia. I remember the empty store shelves perfectly.
        And he had the opportunity to compare this with the same Ukraine, and with the allies in the socialist camp.
        Quote: inkass_98
        there were quite progressive Kosygin reforms

        They were half. And they could not have been, because they did not affect the foundations of a command economy and the entire way of life. In reality, they could not give an incentive.
        Here's a simple example. On a collective farm, a harvesting machine operator could earn 100 rubles per season, or 700 rubles. But in practice, their standard of living did not differ and was largely leveled out at the expense of their personal economy. It seems that there was no formal leveling, but in fact there was. Even though you earn a lot, at least a little, you will live about the same. Or you may not work at all, skip and drink, because you will not be allowed to die of hunger anyway. Any "Kosygin reforms" still did not give an incentive to work.
    3. Sour
      Sour April 25 2014 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: saag
      the time of "dear Leonid Ilyich" was the best in the history of the USSR

      I do not argue, it was the best in the history of the USSR.
      But far from the best in Europe. Even the satellites of the USSR lived better. I was in Poland and the GDR even before perestroika, the standard of living a little higher than ours. And in the GDR it was not a little, but specifically exceeded.
      The result of the rule of Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and others - created a state that everyone was afraid of, but no one envied. At least in the same geographical latitudes, impoverished Africa does not count.
      And is it worthy of a country with rich potential?
      And this is exactly what the current reds want?
      For God's sake, you want. Only after that do not make yourself patriots. Whoever returns to the scoop is not a patriot by definition.
      For some reason, Borka Nemtsov or "Baba Lera" do not call themselves patriots. But the red-bellied swears of patriotism, although the people and the country are hated hardly less than the liberals.
      Take off the mask, gentlemen. Or, as they say now, change the avatar.
      1. Zlata
        Zlata April 25 2014 20: 23
        +1
        I TOTALLY AGREE. The Red-bellied people swear on patriotism, although the people and the country are unlikely to hate less liberals.
        The comrades-Stalinists have a short memory if they glorify a bloody monster with foam at the mouth, which destroyed millions of Russians and other nationalities.
        even if there were merits, then ON THE BLOOD OF THE PEOPLE.
        You try to object to them - screaming from hatred, inadequate. Looks like grandfathers denounced. Or maybe they shot.
        ..........................banned and deleted by moderator Apollo
      2. Kus Imak
        Kus Imak April 26 2014 21: 01
        +1
        Quote: Sour

        I do not argue, it was the best in the history of the USSR.
        But far from the best in Europe. Even the satellites of the USSR lived better. I was in Poland and the GDR even before perestroika, the standard of living a little higher than ours. And in the GDR it was not a little, but specifically exceeded.
        The result of the rule of Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and others - created a state that everyone was afraid of, but no one envied. At least in the same geographical latitudes, impoverished Africa does not count.
        And is it worthy of a country with rich potential?
        And this is exactly what the current reds want?
        For God's sake, you want. Only after that do not make yourself patriots. Whoever returns to the scoop is not a patriot by definition.
        For some reason, Borka Nemtsov or "Baba Lera" do not call themselves patriots. But the red-bellied swears of patriotism, although the people and the country are hated hardly less than the liberals.
        Take off the mask, gentlemen. Or, as they say now, change the avatar.


        And Czechoslovakia was called "socialist Hong Kong". They lived no worse than some European countries.
  8. Wolland
    Wolland April 25 2014 10: 47
    +2
    I believe the RUBLE will regain its power in the future - with a man like Putin this is obvious.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 11 December 2020 02: 24
      +26
      Something is not noticeable that the ruble would become a powerful currency ... And the prospect of our currency in this bourgeois-oligarchic system is very, very bad ...
  9. dik-fort
    dik-fort April 25 2014 13: 00
    +6
    The topic of money is quite complex, but it should be noted that in the early 90s in Russia there were 2 groups of economists who offered a different approach to economic policy, including monetary policy. Gaidar's pro-American model won, turning Russia into a semi-colony of the West, a raw material appendage. This model still exists, and the so-called liberal bloc of the Government of the Russian Federation is the ideologues and successors of the "Gaidar case", with the support of the "hotbed" of this trend - the HSE. In theory, money is a specific commodity of maximum liquidity, which is a universal equivalent to the value of other goods or services. But now money is fiat (symbolic, paper, decree, fake) money, i.e. money that has no independent value or it is disproportionate to the face value. Fiat money has no value, but it is capable of performing the functions of money, since the state accepts it as payment of taxes, and also declares it to be legal tender on its territory. It is vitally important to abandon the pegging of the ruble to the dollar, the rubles should become secured (exchange, representative) money, i.e. money, in the role of which are signs or certificates that can be exchanged upon presentation for a fixed amount of a certain product or commodity money. For example, a basket of export goods that are in stable demand in world markets: precious and rare earth metals, oil, gas, diamonds, timber, wheat, etc. Then the ruble will become an independent world currency, secured by its reserves, and not a piece of paper tied to the "basket of currencies". There will be a demand for rubles in world trade; having rubles will be similar to owning a certain amount of real goods, for which (rubles) it will be possible to buy all exported raw materials on the Russian stock exchange. If there was (is) demand for quasi-money such as bitcoin, which does not have any commodity backing, what can we say about real money. Everything is in the hands of the government.
  10. Sour
    Sour April 25 2014 13: 46
    +1
    There was no "golden ruble" in the USSR.
    It was possible to exchange the ruble for gold only in a jewelry store.
    Yes, they wrote such crap on rubles. But this is for naive people. If any citizen of the USSR came to the bank and demanded to exchange money for gold, then he would at best be laughed at, or even sent to a psychiatric hospital. There was no real practice of exchanging paper money for monetary gold in the USSR. At least because there was no monetary gold for internal circulation after the liquidation of the NEP. Once again - it was legal to buy gold only at Yuvelirtorg. Illegally - on the black market, for the illegal circulation of gold it was possible to get shot too.
    This was both under Stalin and after him. If anything, I have lived in the USSR for decades.
    And enough of lying about the Soviet "golden ruble".
    You can minus as much as you like, gentlemen-comrades. I know that you will not refute this. Because this is true. And your fairy tales about the "golden ruble" are a lie from beginning to end.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 25 2014 15: 30
      +4
      I believe that the "golden ruble-independence from the dollar" is a fig, a stupid fiction. And here's why: well, they determined the gold content of the ruble, but gold also costs money, and often American money, because. The United States often determines the world price of gold. If the ruble has a fixed gold content, and gold in the world is the dollar price, then the ruble today will cost X (cheaper) dollars, and tomorrow it will cost Y (more expensive) dollars. That is, in international markets, the ruble will be valued in dollars. Here who will benefit from the "golden ruble" -international speculators!
      1. Sour
        Sour April 25 2014 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        If the ruble has a fixed gold content, and gold in the world has a dollar price, then the ruble today will cost X (cheaper) dollars, and tomorrow-Y (more expensive) dollars

        Already wrote about this. To smart, it probably dawned.
        The price of gold is subject to the same fluctuations as the price of everything else. The times when gold has steadily risen in price have passed in the late 60s. Gold has long been a commodity, its price comes from quotes, so only a madman can equate its currency with it.
        --------
        And once again - it was impossible to change rubles for gold in a Soviet bank. Everyone who writes about the "Soviet gold ruble" is brazenly and shamelessly lying, if only because in the post-NEP USSR monetary gold (in bars) was only for foreign trade. This is still available. And the gold chervonets (NEP) after the collapse of the NEP was withdrawn from circulation in the second half of the 2s.
        Gentlemen-comrades, such as the author of the article, stop lying, your lies are not even funny. It is designed either for stupid fanatics, or for people who do not know the history of Russia. Have a conscience, stop lying.
        And only a liar or a fanatical Stalinist can praise the monetary reform of 1947. I heard from my parents and other relatives - I was not happy with her. It was an outright robbery of the people, in the spirit of the Soviet rulers. And this very strongly and permanently discouraged the population from making any accumulations.
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris April 25 2014 17: 18
          +4
          Quote: Sour
          And only a liar or a fanatical Stalinist can praise the monetary reform of 1947. I heard from my parents and other relatives - I was not happy with her. It was an outright robbery of the people, in the spirit of the Soviet rulers. And this very strongly and permanently discouraged the population from making any accumulations.

          But my ancestors practically did not notice this reform, the maximum of which it was honored in their memoirs was the change in the size of banknotes. A cousin complained that they did not get into the old wallet ... It’s just that my ancestors fought and worked in that war, and did not speculate.
          1. Zlata
            Zlata April 25 2014 20: 41
            +1
            Before the reform, my grandmother barely managed to buy half a house, they did not lose money, except that there were 4 rubles left in the dressing gown. But my grandfather’s sibling turned out very differently. Before the reform, he saved up money for a house. NOT SPECULATION, AND HONESTLY EARNED. He was a photographer, a very good photographer. I bought a patent from the state for entrepreneurship. A patent was worth a lot of money. To work it out, he traveled around the villages and farms. Earned good money. Going to buy a house. And then a reform happened. Man has lost all the money. I drank two bottles of vodka with grief. And he died.
            I am glad for your ancestors. But not everyone went as wonderful.
            1. omsbon
              omsbon April 25 2014 23: 29
              +2
              Quote: Zlata
              Before the reform, he saved up money for a house. NOT SPECULATION, AND HONESTLY EARNED. He was a photographer, a very good photographer. I bought a patent from the state for entrepreneurship. A patent was worth a lot of money. To work it out, he traveled around the villages and farms. Earned good money. Going to buy a house. And then a reform happened. Man lost all the money


              I strongly doubt that in the two post-war years it was possible to honestly earn money on a HOUSE. And there was no cash in the villages and farms!
              1. Zlata
                Zlata April 26 2014 00: 25
                +2
                This was not in two years. He actually photographed just great, the photos were high-quality and highly artistic, real portraits. The man had talent. People came later, their grandmother was shown how beautifully he shot. But then there was no Kodakov, technology - you yourself understand how much fuss + toxic substances. My wife helped him, retouched. Well, he didn’t steal, believe me. And he did not speculate. All by his labor. And legally - having bought a patent.
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 5 December 2016 10: 58
        0
        What a brilliant evidence! Ruble - in grams of gold, ounce of gold - in dollars! So what? Delicately "forgot" the main thing! An ounce of gold cannot be inflated as much as a rubber dollar. You can speculate on short positions in terms of gold. Even with the current global speculative management of exchange markets, you can keep the price per ounce / dollar for a year, well, a little more. Further, it will still be adjusted, and the amount of bucks per ounce will change. So it is not necessary to la-la-la, that through gold the ruble is supposedly pegged to the dollar. And it turns out that the garden bed is tied to potatoes. Secondly, the subjective factor is that gold for the "higher capitalists" had and has the highest value, and the rest is dust in the eyes of the suckers, on which the gesheft is made.
    2. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris April 25 2014 17: 24
      +2
      Refute? And what? You are extremely shitty imagine the financial system of the USSR. Well, they don’t write about this in the textbooks on economics in modern Russia, so you couldn’t read this, but such peremptory statements are at least not smart.
    3. Kus Imak
      Kus Imak April 26 2014 21: 05
      +1
      Quote: Sour
      There was no "golden ruble" in the USSR.
      It was possible to exchange the ruble for gold only in a jewelry store.
      Yes, they wrote such crap on rubles. But this is for naive people. If any citizen of the USSR came to the bank and demanded to exchange money for gold, then he would at best be laughed at, or even sent to a psychiatric hospital. There was no real practice of exchanging paper money for monetary gold in the USSR. At least because there was no monetary gold for internal circulation after the liquidation of the NEP. Once again - it was legal to buy gold only at Yuvelirtorg. Illegally - on the black market, for the illegal circulation of gold it was possible to get shot too.
      This was both under Stalin and after him. If anything, I have lived in the USSR for decades.
      And enough of lying about the Soviet "golden ruble".
      You can minus as much as you like, gentlemen-comrades. I know that you will not refute this. Because this is true. And your fairy tales about the "golden ruble" are a lie from beginning to end.



      There was a well-known case when Sakharov, before his exile to Gorky, came to Berezka and demanded to serve him, because if the bill says that it is provided with gold, then it is convertible and there is no need for checks.
      1. tolson2013
        tolson2013 10 May 2014 16: 02
        0
        Everything can be, well, the Father of the Russian (Kuskin’s mother) didn’t have any checks. I decided to see a joke. Sales in such (Birch) and (Albatross) people are not simple, they didn’t understand jokes. . well probably called sonitars, well, he was offended and off and on ....
      2. tolson2013
        tolson2013 10 May 2014 16: 02
        0
        Everything can be, well, the Father of the Russian (Kuskin’s mother) didn’t have any checks. I decided to see a joke. Sales in such (Birch) and (Albatross) people are not simple, they didn’t understand jokes. . well probably called sonitars, well, he was offended and off and on ....
  11. atos_kin
    atos_kin April 25 2014 13: 48
    0
    What was said by I.V. Stalin about Yugoslavia can be safely transferred to the situation with Ukraine.
  12. rocketman
    rocketman April 25 2014 16: 26
    -1
    The article is good. I read about it with Starikov. And Athos is absolutely right.
  13. Vlad1408
    Vlad1408 April 25 2014 17: 59
    +1
    The idea is apparently correct, only who will allow it to be implemented, Gaddafi announced the golden dinar and where he is now, and there is practically no Libya, if you undermine the power of the dollar in the world, the hegemon will merge itself.
    1. Fagost
      Fagost 21 January 2016 13: 56
      +1
      Yes, Gaddafi was warned not to kick, but he thought that we would help to strengthen the air defense. But one oddball with the letter m just before the attack of the United States recalled our ship with weapons into neutral waters. A personal call to the captain of this ship.
  14. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 25 2014 18: 27
    +2
    On the occasion of the end of the working week and the onset of "Friday-tipple", a wonderful idea-proposal came to visit me: And let's "tie" the ruble to bitcoin? Who agrees?
    1. Wheel
      Wheel April 25 2014 20: 25
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      On the occasion of the end of the working week and the onset of "Friday-tipple", a wonderful idea-proposal came to visit me: And let's "tie" the ruble to bitcoin? Who agrees?

      How many have already pulled?
  15. raf
    raf April 25 2014 20: 52
    0
    Afraid of wolves, do not go to the forest. There would be a political will and desire. Russia is not Libya or Lithuania, you can’t get along with us! Although it may not burn out with our current spineless people, because there aren’t any like Comrade Stalin and his FRAME.
    1. Zlata
      Zlata April 25 2014 23: 24
      +1
      Do you want us to have Dzhugashvili instead of Putin? I do not want. God forbid.
  16. Signaller
    Signaller April 25 2014 21: 29
    +2
    And what are the problems ????? Go to the chang (exchange) bank and exchange your dollars for rubles at 0.65 at the rate for 1985. Foreigners did just that. The Germans are somehow not very. They through the Spartkasse exchanged rubles for stamps, one in one. Then they brought in to us. I personally fought this. Dozens of smuggling cases. So the problem is clear. And it will be again ???? well, you guys are giving me- I’m already retired. But we need to teach our inspectors how to look for rubles.
  17. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth April 26 2014 00: 00
    +3
    Quote: Zlata
    I don’t know how it is for you, but for me he is a bloody dictator who destroyed millions of his people and put the country on the brink of survival. I don’t understand why a separate part of our people, having spit on the graves of innocently executed and tortured compatriots, still subservient to Dzhugashvili.

    But Genghis Khan broke the ridges of the unwanted and killed every tenth, if part of the army was chickened out. And Louis arranged "St. Bartholomew's Night"? Have you ever thought that it is necessary to "judge" historical events from the point of view of that morality, of those times, and not of today's concepts? The "bloody dictator" left the Great country, what will we leave to the descendants?
    1. Zlata
      Zlata April 26 2014 00: 47
      +1
      And where did I write that I like Genghis Khan? Or Hitler? Or Bandera? Try to prove on Ukrainian websites that Bandera is a monster. Will not work! "After all, he fought for the freedom of Ukraine !!!" From your point of view, are they right? Well, Bandera killed Russians, Poles, Jews, so what? After all, all this was for the sake of a future free and great country, right? Do you think they are right? We probably just do not understand the events "from the point of view of that morality of those times"?
    2. Zlata
      Zlata April 26 2014 01: 10
      +1
      Yes, about the fact that "the Bloody dictator left the Great country." The country was great even before the bloody dictator. Probably, one should not argue that everything was very bad BEFORE Lenin and Dzhugashvili, but AFTER - everything is wonderful, chocolate. They broke the peasantry, "dispossessed" the most efficient and hardworking, took away the land and livestock, went to collective farms, staged famine in the richest country — artificially, taking grain from the peasants; people were pitted against each other, "divide and rule", encouraging snitching and denunciations, calling to look for enemies around; destroyed churches and clergy - and with them the moral foundations. MILLIONS of innocent people rotted away in the camps and shot. Tell me, these are the actions - are they for the GOOD OF THE COUNTRY? If you think "yes" - I'm out.
      1. Fitter
        Fitter April 26 2014 13: 59
        +3
        famine in tsarist Russia was worse than famine in the USSR, with heavy losses
  18. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth April 26 2014 01: 24
    +6
    Quote: Zlata
    We probably just do not understand the events "from the point of view of that morality of those times"?

    The truth is spoken. My father-in-law sat in the camps, and then became disabled on the Kursk Bulge. I did not hear a word about Stalin from him. My grandfather was recorded in fists. His children lie in mass graves and in the fields of Moscow Region, both near Leningrad and near Kharkov (so that I, too, turn out to be involved in the tragedy in Ukraine, who will say that I am indifferent to what is happening there.). Father became a communist in Stalingrad. No need to divide our story into black and white. It was all. And good and bad. There were scoundrels, there were heroes. And people lived, and loved, and raised children. We would be worthy of them.
    1. Zlata
      Zlata April 28 2014 22: 59
      +2
      It turns out that you have no reason to praise Stalin, right? If you respect the memory of your ancestors. The father-in-law was in the camps, the grandfather was a "fist". As for ordinary communists who are not involved in the bloody events, such as your father - I'm not talking about them. People sacredly believed in ideals, many simply did not know the truth. Many of these ordinary communists were real heroes, worthy of respect.
      But about "We don't need to divide our history into black and white" - well, no, I think we should call everything by its proper names! Call black black and white white. Otherwise, we will not be able to draw conclusions and properly educate the younger generation. An example is Ukraine, where, with a light hand, Yushchenko Bandera became a hero, and the generation of young "onizhedeti" Bandera supporters is now destroying everything in its path for the glory of Ukraine. Many of them are confident that they are right, as well as the greatness of their "hero". Fascism, which was hushed up for a long time in Ukraine, raised its tail in all its glory. We must give the correct assessment of historical events - in order to draw the right lessons from them. And not to allow the resuscitation of such "heroes" and events in the future.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 5 December 2016 11: 07
        +1
        Well, what have you done, there is / no reason to praise Stalin. There was a choice: a) to praise Stalin b) to glorify the Rothschilds with the Rockefellers and other "clans" c) to glorify Adolf, who got off the leash at the "Rothschilds", on the plus "Bander", etc., already on the leashes at the same Adolf. The choice was not great, was it? Or do you observe another "flag" in the 20th century? I can't see it through a magnifying glass. So it is with Stalin. It is better to live hard than not to live at all. It was a normal instinctive choice of the main part of society.
  19. Sour
    Sour April 26 2014 08: 52
    +1
    Quote: anomalocaris
    Quote: Sour
    And only a liar or a fanatical Stalinist can praise the monetary reform of 1947. I heard from my parents and other relatives - I was not happy with her. It was an outright robbery of the people, in the spirit of the Soviet rulers. And this very strongly and permanently discouraged the population from making any accumulations.

    But my ancestors practically did not notice this reform, the maximum of which it was honored in their memoirs was the change in the size of banknotes. A cousin complained that they did not get into the old wallet ... It’s just that my ancestors fought and worked in that war, and did not speculate.

    My ancestors during the war both worked and fought, not sparing themselves and the enemy. Many folded their heads for Russia; both grandfathers did not return from the war. There were no speculators, there were workers and warriors. You do not touch my ancestors, wise guy. I did not insult yours. My ancestors are not your couple, remember this.
    And further. All red-faced with foam at the mouth paint shovels and achievements of the then leaders, and even offer them as a salvation from all current problems. But they really do not like to answer the most unpleasant question - Why did the scoop die long and forever? Why does the majority of the people not want to hear about a return to the scoop? And why did China rise from the trash heap only by abandoning socialism, giving scope to the initiative? You can't wait for an answer. Only the most stubborn are muttering something (for 23 years already) about a "temporary retreat", and the collapse of the scoop is explained by "the intrigues of agents."
    1. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris April 26 2014 19: 45
      +2
      Baby, if you saw an insult in my post, then this is your problem. People who see something that is not needed should contact the appropriate specialists on their own. Otherwise, when they begin to bite, they are treated forcibly.
      Baby, you don’t know nichrome about my ancestors, but I can say that none of them has ever been "krasnopuzym", although the same Kolchak was chased.
      Your animal hatred of the "scoop" is a very indicative symptom of an inadequate liberal. Alas, this ailment cannot be cured.
      About the fact that "the majority of the people do not even want to hear about a return to the scoop," you kid, are extremely mistaken, because you rarely communicate with this very majority. And about the initiative under socialism too. Everything is not so simple and unambiguous here, but, alas, you are not able to realize this.
  20. tol100v
    tol100v April 27 2014 20: 45
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    Quote: Wheel
    The conditions are dictated by the country (?) With the largest public debt and the largest negative foreign trade balance.

    And this country, in order to avoid another financial collapse, is trying to unleash WARs wherever it can and cannot. But it cannot go on so long simply by definition. How much rope does not curl ..
  21. guran
    guran 7 December 2016 10: 57
    0
    “There are only two forces in the world: dollars and literature.” M. Bulgakov

    In the USSR it was still possible to pursue an independent financial policy, to live in isolation from the world community. For this, the country needed a huge territory and a population of about 250-300 million people. All this had a place to be. Not now. The customs union successfully ruined Khristenko.
  22. Cat man null
    Cat man null 26 January 2017 11: 54
    +1
    Ouch ... again this "alternative" ... the "gold content of the ruble", well, well ...

    the author even understands, in general, what it means real "gold content" of the national currency for the country's economy? And in the very short term?

    In short, we are waiting for the third “alternative” from Samsonov. Three say lucky number wassat
  23. PValery53
    PValery53 15 May 2017 17: 49
    +2
    Joseph Stalin understood the devilish sense of the dollar going around the world: America prints paper and, in return for these candy wrappers, receives resources from all over the world. And so he sought to limit the scope of this scam, that is, he removed the USSR and its countries from the role of the "Papuans" in relation to the American colonists.
  24. Old warrior
    Old warrior 8 July 2017 00: 00
    0
    All whites are malacholny. To be your own in the English lackey is their calling, here is their Russia.
  25. NordUral
    NordUral 19 August 2017 11: 11
    +2
    Many thanks to the author. We must remember the great moments and periods of our history. And remember those who have achieved this greatness.
    It is a pity that the insignificant Khrushchev took the place of Stalin, and then the greyadnik Brezhnev, who did not understand into what abyss he leads the Union. And then a mess of elders and traitors.
    But it is in an independent and strong financial system that the only chance of a revival of Russia in a new round of history.
  26. Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 25 August 2017 18: 34
    0
    Thomas the Unbelieving
  27. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb 9 March 2018 11: 29
    +1
    And I still KNOW, because I already "lived" during these Soviet years, that April 1 is a day of joy and fun, because on this day EVERY YEAR they lowered prices. I remember how parents, along with neighbors and acquaintances, read aloud in Pravda and Izvestia (on this day they were multi-page!), Reduced prices. As I now remember the words on the radio and from the newspapers: "... and also the price has been reduced by ..% on the following goods ...".
  28. efimich41
    efimich41 16 September 2018 16: 48
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    Quote: siberalt
    0
    This reform was terrible for the people. She degreased the already meager contributions of the population, especially for the military, not speculators. The fight against speculators was more of a screen for robbing the population of the USSR.


    I remember the 1947 reform. The working countries were not affected, because most normal people didn’t have extra money. They lived from paycheck to paycheck, and the exchange of money did not affect them. And speculators really suffered. They even taped the toilets with unnecessary money. I. Stalin did everything very wisely.