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Yegor Kholmogorov: Russian order

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The junta puts on the scenario of slaughter with the hands of mercenaries, pravosek gangs and that part of the army, which was brought to gangs by hunger and filth. And this is where the main danger lies. The junta has no forces to win the civil war.


As a person who has consistently pointed out all the last months that Russia will have to intervene in the situation in Ukraine, not only diplomatically and politically, but also militarily, the last thing I really want to do now is to write pompous words and calls in the “Rubicon crossed!” Style.

Nothing new, unexpected and sudden happened. It all happened in December 1991, when Ukraine officially declared independence, when Belovezhsk agreements that destroyed the USSR were signed as a result, when the technical borders inside the USSR became state, when from space historical The whole South Russian segment was cut out alive for Russia, when 11 million Russians by passport and more than 20 million Russians by language were cut off from Russia by the border.

The state of Ukraine was formed as a "non-Russia" and "anti-Russia" and made sense only in that capacity. Its rulers and ideologists were well aware that they own someone else's - in fact, stolen - property: territories and people.

And there were only two ways to make someone else's - their own.

International: joining all sorts of Western structures that can guarantee the borders: EU, NATO, etc. Internal: accelerated Ukrainization, the forced conversion of Russians living in southern and eastern Ukraine into Ukrainians.

In other words, by its very existence, Ukraine was doomed to anti-Russian geopolitics and to anti-Russian domestic and cultural policies. This could be carried out in extremist forms, as under Yushchenko, after the first Maidan.

It could have been in relaxed and crafty forms, like under Yanukovych, but the direction of Ukraine’s movement was one to legalize its borders through Western structures, to create a homogeneous mass of citizens with the help of universal Ukrainization. Russian as a Russian was supposed to die, to be replaced by "Ukrainian."

At the same time, everyone was well aware that there were no “Ukrainians” in the sense in which Ukrainian propaganda spoke of them. This was confirmed by, on the one hand, the Ukrainian nationalists, who had difficulty romatizing the Ukrainian, and on the other - quite a few ethnic Great Russians, who willingly and aggressively fit into the Ukrainians and demonstrate the yellow-black and sometimes red-black identity.

With the same right, elves who have their own language, a story invented by Tolkien, uniforms and even signs of appearance, could occupy the Neskuchny Garden and declare it non-occupied.

I myself have acquaintances, full-blooded Great Russians, or carriers of a “bunch of blooded people” who turned into zealous Ukrainian nationalists, calling for Russian rebels “Colorado”, Russia as an “occupier” and ethnic Ukrainians who are much more borzoi.

The division is generally not of an ethnic nature - the rebels in the Donbass have characteristic South Russian and Little Russian types, Ukrainians can often be mistaken for Moscow creaks. Before us is not a conflict of ethnic groups, we have a conflict of civilizations and worldviews, where the side is determined not by blood and soil, but by free will.

Moreover, the right of the soil here is just on the side of the insurgent Donbass, which protects its lifestyle, its history, its small homeland, its loved ones. Who in the Donbass friend or stranger is very clearly visible. The “Russian Spring” has become a strikingly beautiful national, social, and patriotic uprising “for one’s friends”.

At some point, Ukraine crossed its red line. Instead of slowly creeping into Western superstructures, jumps and jumps began. What is not jumping - that Moskal. Instead of suffocating Ukrainization, Ukrainization is aggressive, with bouts of hatred at the official level addressed to the Russian inhabitants of their (supposedly) country.

With Euromaidan's Twitter, choking with delight: “finally, the separatist reptiles began to kill.” At the same time, the price of this euromaid delight immediately became visible. Ukrainian army refused to fight. The Ukrainian special services are fighting reluctantly.

Ukrainian police partially moved to the side of the people. That is, no one supports the top bloody fantasies of the junta and euromaidan: a civil war is not the choice of the Ukrainian (in a good sense of the word) people.

The junta, as a result, puts on the script the slaughter with the hands of mercenaries, pravosekov gangs and that part of the Ukrainian army, which was brought to gangs by the state of hunger and filth. And this is where the main danger lies. The junta has no forces to win the civil war.

But the forces to start a massacre and a horrific war of all against all, which will cause a humanitarian catastrophe with millions of refugees, are quite enough. They have enough strength to push the East of Ukraine into chaos and criminal terror.

Turned-down Ukrainian units with gangs weapons and armored personnel carriers who steal food and phone charges from militias. The gangsters who decided that their time and their power had begun (the leaders of the Donetsk People's Republic already point out with alarm).

On the other hand, the fragmentation of militia groups under the influence of political differences and conflicts of ambition (as is now planned in Lugansk). The terror of Kolomoisky - Yarosh in Dnepropetrovsk ... All this threatens the tragedy of millions of people.

Rubicon is exactly that. Russian troops are not needed to “punish Ukraine” - Kiev punishes itself perfectly. Both guilty and innocent. Russian troops are not needed in order to carry out the “reconquest” of the Russian lands. The militia could cope with this. Russia is needed as a force of order.

It is necessary in order to prevent this beautiful, fertile, industrious land from turning into a space of bloody chaos, into a “zone”, into a territory of lawlessness. In order for automatic gunfire, night firefights, abductions not to kill the joy of spring bloom and the smiles of children.

The Donbass and the whole of Novorossia will figure out and self-identify who they have to be with — the criminals from Kiev, Moscow (we also have our own shortcomings, but on the whole, the choice of the Southeast is clear) by itself.

But in order for a person to make a responsible decision, peace and order are needed. What is needed is the absence of threats from the side of pravoseks, and from the side of mercenaries, and from the side of marauders, and from the side of the new Gestapo, the SBU.

We need liberation from the total lie ukrohebbelsovskoy propaganda. Speaking in a simple way, people need to “sweat” and figure out how to live tomorrow. In Crimea, Russia managed to play a proactive. Here we are late, but now still the delay is not critical.

They say that on the sides of the equipment, which hundreds of people now see moving towards the Ukrainian border (although at the time I wrote this text, it has not yet crossed it) it says: “Peacekeeping forces”. This is the main thing that the tortured East of Ukraine needs. Peace and order. Russian order for the Russian world.
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  1. Validator
    Validator April 25 2014 14: 45
    +22
    Russian partisans in Odessa are wiring branches of Privat Bank Pan Kalomoyskogo
    such a good flash mob
    1. PPL
      PPL April 25 2014 14: 50
      +9
      This is not our method, belay everything must be done politely soldier including money for the restoration of the destroyed, it is also necessary to politely squeeze. lol
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 25 2014 15: 14
        +3
        Quote: PPZ
        This is not our method, everything must be done politely


        they are very polite by the way. do not explode do not smash.




        Quote: PPZ
        including money for the restoration of the destroyed, it is also necessary to politely squeeze.


        Why push yourself will bring when polite people with a soldering iron knock on the house.
        1. Evgenij.
          Evgenij. April 25 2014 18: 40
          0
          this is called "squeeze out")
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 25 2014 15: 15
        +20
        Quote: PPZ
        everything needs to be done politely

        Like this:
      3. Orc-xnumx
        Orc-xnumx April 25 2014 15: 54
        +4
        Kolomoisky will look good hanging on an aspen!
        1. RND
          RND April 25 2014 16: 10
          +6
          Quote: Orc-78
          Kolomoisky will look good hanging on an aspen!

          Aspen is not to blame. Shit - drown in the toilet. am
          1. olegkrava
            olegkrava April 25 2014 16: 40
            +1
            Yes, it does not sink, does not sink. Only to burn!
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        3. alexng
          alexng April 25 2014 16: 21
          +1
          Better on some sort of thicket with an unopened parachute. Go and prove later that he himself couldn’t pull the ring out of fright, and the automation didn’t work on time. Oooh! Damn get huge and Kalo-moisky! fellow
    2. comprochikos
      comprochikos April 25 2014 15: 21
      +1
      In such circumstances, only partisan remains
      1. wolf7
        wolf7 April 25 2014 16: 00
        +2
        Yeah, they already started, in Kramatorsk, the Bear was demolished during take-off, it is only not clear whether it was a sniper in the fuel tank, or from an RPG. It is reported that the pilot managed to jump out, no one was hurt. It’s not clear what’s different, the crew is 3 people, but it’s as if there were none, one for all. Or the flyers refused to work for the people and some kind of mercenaries scraped together for the loot instead of them?
        1. varov14
          varov14 April 25 2014 16: 34
          0
          Kohl managed to jump out, so he gave the foam and knew how it would all end.
      2. RND
        RND April 25 2014 16: 29
        +1
        Quote: comprochikos
        In such circumstances, only partisan remains

        Partisans are a strong factor.
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  2. Sour
    Sour April 25 2014 14: 54
    +18
    Kholmogorova respected and respect, as a real, not a false patriot of Russia.
    Everything seems to be true. The article put a plus.
    From his article, one thing is unclear - the real percentage of pro-Russian sentiments in the Donbass and generally in eastern Ukraine. This is still a mystery to me. The locals also do not want to talk about it.
    Suppose our peacekeepers enter. How many people will support them, or at least not mind? 5% or 95%? Who is in the subject - tell us about the mood of people in these areas. I have infa from only one person, and then last year. According to him (and he lived in Donbass for 30 years), not everyone has pro-Russian sentiments, about half. Moreover, these moods are not so much separatist as suitcase ones.
    1. zzz
      zzz April 25 2014 15: 17
      +4
      Quote: Sour
      Suppose our peacekeepers enter. How many people will support them, or at least not mind? 5% or 95%? Who is in the subject - tell us about the mood of people in these areas.


      Vitrenko spoke yesterday, she said that 60% is for Russia. I think her words can be trusted. She talked about the whole of Ukraine. In the Southeast, I think that 70-80% for Russia. (I mean the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, just like relatives there) or maybe more. In recent years, the authorities there, no matter how they said about Yanukovych, that he had placed his own there, but a lot were put at the helm from the Lviv region. I know for sure that television and the Western media are in the leadership.
      1. kocclissi
        kocclissi April 25 2014 16: 01
        0
        The center of Ukraine will be cleaned of hapoto bandits and there will be quiet and whim! In Kiev, the center of all evil! And while 3,14ndo-mongers give out valuable instructions, there will be no order!
    2. Horly
      Horly April 25 2014 16: 08
      +2
      Based on conversations with their friends who live in rural areas on the border of Zaporizhzhya and Donetsk regions, the majority has the following attitude - they have already gotten everything, let us live in peace. In short - khataskrajnost. Although this is already progress - before that there was - "If not for your Putin ..." ...
    3. biker
      biker April 25 2014 16: 10
      0
      Apparently, the percentage of real pro-Russians is not large ... we must also take into account a large number of undecided people and those who, in principle, are ready to accept any final of this confrontation (inert).
    4. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 April 25 2014 16: 22
      +5
      Great article! When a person shares his thoughts with the intellect from God (which is wisdom), you get answers to questions that life confirms. Why do liberals constantly get their fingers crossed in their "speculations" (they believe - philosophy), forecasts, conclusions? Yes, because their sneaky mind is from a calloused ass, nimbleness of hands, the thickness of the wallet and an abundance of dandruff ...
    5. bomg.77
      bomg.77 April 25 2014 16: 38
      +2
      Quote: Sour
      From his article, one thing is unclear - the real percentage of pro-Russian sentiments in the Donbass and generally in eastern Ukraine.
      Twitter "Euromaidan" conducted a survey online with such a survey - "What kind of peacekeeping troops do you prefer" and received an unexpected answer. In Ukraine, many people are simply afraid to express their will. Here is a scan:
    6. Hariva
      Hariva April 25 2014 16: 38
      +3
      Living in the Belgorod region quite closely connected with neighbors. I won’t say it all over Ukraine, but there are friends and relatives in Dnepropetrovsk, Cherkasy, Kharkov and Sumy. And here are my not funny conclusions.
      Cherkasy is Russophobic hysteria. There is no protest movement. Yes there is no one to protest. These are already irretrievably lost minds of the local population.
      Dnepropetrovsk- noticeably better, but apathetic. About 40-50 percent are not satisfied with the new authorities. But they are absolutely not organized. Behave quietly. Most want to get out of this bedlam.
      Sumy is a unique situevina. 20% of ardent nationalists intimidated everyone else. Very calm city. Everything seems to suit everyone.
      Kharkov-obvious Russophobes and Russophiles are approximately the same - 30%. The standard of living of Kharkovites has always been not bad. Therefore, the rest are simply afraid to confuse the side, and therefore stupidly wait - who will win.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr April 25 2014 18: 51
        +3
        All these things .... from the evil one.
        For 23 years of brainwashing, the situation is much worse.
        For joining the Russian Federation - only and exclusively - those who were born under the USSR. Served. He lived. This is 10-15 percent.
        For the fiction of federalization ... although this is ... just aggressive to my boss ... nothing shorter - 40%.
        It's nothing, nothing, no how ... just chat.
        And those who for a single, non-stop - counted - all the rest ... 50-45 percent. Not against Russia, relatives live there. But, relatives are all Colorado .... a member of Putin gently obbliblivaem, on Sundays. And the rest of the time .. they drink glass, and they have lovely Ukrainians in Leningradsky. For.
        ...
        Wild system, how could adults pervert brains. They us - Russians - really consider our enemies.
        They really believe that in Lugansk and Donetsk, not to mention Slavyansk, crowds of stoned, gang-blasted GRU lieutenant colonels are running around, who only dream of turning a couple of three Ukrainians into slaves.
        Nauseous guys from shameless lies.
        Sick.
        ...
        So, our RushTudey got the Americans out of such lies that the US Secretary of State is already screaming ... about the TRUTH.
  3. zzz
    zzz April 25 2014 15: 01
    +11
    They say that on the sides of the equipment, which hundreds of people now see moving towards the Ukrainian border (although at the time I wrote this text, it has not yet crossed it) it says: “Peacekeeping forces”. This is the main thing that the tortured East of Ukraine needs. Peace and order. Russian order for the Russian world.

    We will not stop the Anglo-Saxons now and here, they will go to Russia.
    1. tolian
      tolian April 25 2014 15: 47
      +1
      So this is just a fool is not clear. After all, we all remember the chiseau Misha with his smiles and hugging with sidekicks from a foreign country. The promises of these homies. Well, what do we see in 20 years?
    2. Burberry
      Burberry April 25 2014 16: 58
      +3
      Quote: zzz
      They say that on the sides of the equipment that hundreds of people now see moving towards the Ukrainian border (although at the time I wrote this text she had not crossed it yet) it says: "Peacekeeping forces."

      Yesterday, when I was traveling towards our convoy of armored personnel carriers and tanks moving towards the border with Ukraine, I saw a developing Russian tricolor on some machines.
      Already bursting with pride in the country and our army!
  4. doc62
    doc62 April 25 2014 15: 02
    +3
    peacekeepers need that there was no massacre but where they decide to east or west is their business and their choice and not for us to decide
  5. Lavrov
    Lavrov April 25 2014 15: 04
    +8
    Thanks to the author for the article. YES! RUSSIA NEEDS POWER ORDER.
    1. igor06161
      igor06161 April 25 2014 16: 25
      +4
      And gentlemen do not you think so?
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  7. andj61
    andj61 April 25 2014 15: 04
    +5
    Quote: Sour
    Kholmogorova respected and respect, as a real, not a false patriot of Russia.
    Everything seems to be true. The article put a plus.
    From his article, one thing is unclear - the real percentage of pro-Russian sentiments in the Donbass and generally in eastern Ukraine. This is still a mystery to me. The locals also do not want to talk about it.


    Apparently, these issues are now the main ones. In Crimea, the vast majority supported us. What are the real moods of people in the Southeast? How is the Donetsk region different from Lugansk, Kharkov, Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk? Why are all events developing differently everywhere? Why did all the security forces in Kiev and in the regions, as well as all state authorities, immediately obeyed the junta, because even the self-defense of the Maidan and the right-wing sector did not really support this, with the permission of the government immediately after the coup? Who can explain this?
    1. Grbear
      Grbear April 25 2014 15: 53
      +2
      andj61
      Who can explain this?

      In order to explain something, you need to know the subject and the situation. And this, for sure, no one knows!

      Twenty-year-old propaganda fell on the fertile ground of the Lupmen-farmer consciousness. Miners pounded helmets, because They knew that it was worth crossing the street and again at work, and now far from it. I hit the teeth on the shelf. And the history of Ukraine does not shine with state achievements.

      A certain split in the ranks of the "federals" is obvious, because the prospects for seizing power and creating an independent state are very vague, but the stakes are high.
      Private property is poorly combined with the people's aspirations for justice, and joining the Russian Federation will attract our business sharks. So there are conflicts of interest. In pursuit - the lack of a common idea ("Peace to the huts ...") and a total distrust of each other and all at once.

      Everything rests, for now, on the stupidity of the junta, which promises the physical destruction of Russians, regardless of the level of income. The junta will change rhetoric or the Washington Regional Committee will change the “figures” in the clearing and there will be a rollback.
      1. biker
        biker April 25 2014 16: 13
        0
        Mishan!
      2. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 25 2014 16: 41
        0
        Quote: GrBear
        The junta will change rhetoric or the Washington Regional Committee will change the “figures” in the clearing and there will be a rollback.

        I’m afraid the real scenario, the elections will be held, there will be a legitimate president, brains of people who are being imprisoned, who are intimidated, and that’s all ....
        The second time to climb is unlikely to succeed!
  8. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx April 25 2014 15: 06
    +1
    For a long time, the South-East swayed, if they had risen together with Crimea, against the Maidan, and did not wait until Kiev shouted "beat the Donetsk people" with the introduction of peacekeepers there would have been no problem. Everything would fit into legitimacy. And now we need to seize the moment, and the chance not to miss a convenient precedent for the introduction of troops with minimal losses.
  9. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol April 25 2014 15: 08
    +1
    Matvienko: the participation of Russian troops in the conflict in Ukraine is unacceptable

    ST. PETERSBURG, 25 Apr - RIA Novosti. Chairman of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko considers it unacceptable to use Russian troops to resolve the conflict in southeastern Ukraine, Matvienko told reporters on Friday.

    "I don't even want to consider such scenarios. We have no right to allow civil war and escalation in the southeast," she said, noting that the situation in southeastern Ukraine needs to be resolved during negotiations.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140425/1005444636.html#ixzz2ztZqt9MW
    1. Sour
      Sour April 25 2014 15: 17
      -1
      Quote: Oleg Sobol
      Chairman of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko believes

      This is an interesting signal.
      The use of the Russian Army abroad without declaring war is the prerogative of the Federation Council. Neither the President, nor the Duma, nor the Government resolve this issue.
      Apparently, there will be no troop entry. Anyway, bye.
      1. tolian
        tolian April 25 2014 15: 50
        -1
        That's it - for now. Soon Valya will shout a glass ..... urgently introduce Russian peacekeeping forces .....
      2. Zaslavsky-S
        Zaslavsky-S April 25 2014 16: 25
        0
        What are you speaking about? Putin already has the consent of the Federation Council. Forgot?
        1. Sour
          Sour April 25 2014 16: 28
          +1
          Quote: Zaslavsky-S
          Putin already has the consent of the Federation Council.

          Then another bazaar.
          I don’t remember only whether it is limited only by the Crimea and the specific time frame. Any time frame, anyway, the question is what?
      3. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 25 2014 16: 44
        0
        Quote: Sour
        The use of the Russian Army abroad without declaring war is the prerogative of the Federation Council. Neither the President, nor the Duma, nor the Government resolve this issue.

        Have you forgotten about delegating the Federation Council powers to the president?
        Matvienko’s statement may be a cover operation, other people will decide.
    2. kare
      kare April 25 2014 16: 25
      0
      that the situation in southeastern Ukraine needs to be resolved through negotiations.

      It’s curious how you can agree with people whom you don’t recognize as people.
      Not de jure, not de facto
      Something I do not like such statements
      If this is only not a continuation, part, a lot of running game
      Then, of course, you can uncle Sema with naglosaksami, please, that is. breed like a bull in corn recourse
  10. vowa48
    vowa48 April 25 2014 15: 10
    +3
    In Nikolaev Russophiles, "Vitrenkovtsy" and communists block the City Council
    Pro-Russian demonstrators began clashes with the police, and the People's Militia activists stood up as human shields in front of the mayor's office.
    http://www.unian.net/politics/911675-v-nikolaeve-rusofilyi-vitrenkovtsyi-i-kommu
    nistyi-blokiruyut-gorsovet.html # ad-image-0
    1. askort154
      askort154 April 25 2014 15: 52
      0
      vowa48 ...... In Nikolaev, Russophiles, Vitrenkovites and Communists block the City Council
      Pro-Russian demonstrators began clashes with the police, and the People's Militia activists stood up as human shields in front of the mayor's office.

      Something is not clear. If possible in more detail. Who are the "Russophiles", "Vitrenkovites", "people's militia"?
  11. mackonya
    mackonya April 25 2014 15: 15
    +4
    Of course, even the introduction of peacekeeping troops from Russia is still premature, but it is necessary to support the South-East with at least weapons.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 25 2014 15: 25
      0
      Quote: mackonya
      but support at least with arms the South-East is necessary.

      Already talked about this.
      Even a sluggish conflict will lead to the fact that the militias quickly run out of ammunition. They also need medicines, money, and weapons will not hurt. Surely not everyone was armed.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek April 25 2014 19: 24
      +2
      And not only automatic machines. Aerial reconnaissance in the border zone, good communications, medicines and sniper weapons. soldier
  12. AVIATOR36662
    AVIATOR36662 April 25 2014 15: 23
    +1
    The author gave the correct new name SBU-new Gestapo! As they say, the rights to all 100!
  13. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 25 2014 15: 27
    +5
    Definitely to the point! During the time of independence, they tried to Ukrainianize the entire way of everyday, cultural life in Ukraine. It began during the "perestroika". For example, on the road signs, Russian names were smeared with names that differed in only one letter, which was clearly visible (for example: the village of N. Petrovtsy became N. Petrivtsi), in the Kiev metro, instead of announcements of stops in Russian and Ukrainian, there remained only - in Ukrainian ... At first, it seemed that this did not bother anyone (even in Russian-speaking Kiev). When on all holidays, from the anniversaries of Ukrainian writers and poets to the City Day, Victory Day, troops from Western Ukraine began to arrive in Kiev by bus, this also confused few people. Although there were conflicts, for example, in May 1991, when on the City Day, a column of Bandera troops entered Khreshchatyk from the direction of Podol, and they met a noisy and cheerful crowd of former border guards celebrating their holiday. Nobody saw any more Banderaites in Kiev that day.
    Take a look now! The Russian language has already become not only the official one, it has become dominant in Ukraine! Even this shows all the falsity of "ukroevropeizatsiya" Ukraine. Pseudo-state, pseudo-culture, pseudoheroes, pseudo history, pseudo-economics, even more - pseudo-Ukrainians, the end of all this has come.
  14. Donskoi
    Donskoi April 25 2014 15: 27
    +3
    We need to free ourselves from the total lies of Ukrogebels propaganda.

    This is the first thing. And we need to return the Russian channels. Let there be several points of view. People themselves will determine where the truth is.
    And then this ukr0zombirovniye "washes" the brains.
    1. tolian
      tolian April 25 2014 15: 57
      +2
      Will people decide for themselves? Did the people themselves determine who Yushchenko is? Who is Tymoshenko, this sick kleptomaniac? But did the people themselves determine that Stepan Bandera was a hero of Ukraine and was in the prison of the Germans? And the very concept of "people" is slippery.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek April 25 2014 19: 19
      +2
      We ourselves need to BROADCAST more actively and not only to Ukraine. And that only works "Russia to dey" and that is hammered. RF hackers, your way out. bully
  15. patriot_serg
    patriot_serg April 25 2014 15: 38
    +1
    A bit off-topic news
    US President Barack Obama, answering a journalist’s question during a press conference in South Korea, assured that he would save Russian President Vladimir Putin if he drowns, RIA Novosti reported on Friday, April 25.
    "I will, of course, save President Putin if he drowns. I would like to believe that if anyone drowns, I can save him. I am a good swimmer, I grew up in Hawaii, I had a lot of practice." Obama answered.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek April 25 2014 19: 14
      +2
      In the picture, Barack is kind of overgrown, not shaved and weary. Around the clock comes up with sanctions, poor fellow. At peace, it’s time to Africa, on a palm tree. And we are somehow different. bully
  16. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 25 2014 15: 39
    0
    Well, then, it’s necessary to conduct another operation to force peace, especially since there is already experience.
  17. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 25 2014 16: 03
    +2
    GOD RUSSIA will not leave and we will not abandon. We will save the SOUTH-EAST from this scum.
    1. Evgenij.
      Evgenij. April 25 2014 18: 45
      0
      -We are Russian with us God
      voice from heaven:
      - I am God, Russians are with me
  18. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 25 2014 16: 15
    +4
    There’s nothing to add here .. Young people Southeast)! The junta will fall soon ..
  19. individual
    individual April 25 2014 16: 28
    +1
    Now it’s not too late to stop the inevitable.
    On both sides do not burn with a great desire to shoot at each other.
    Now they are taking up positions and while looking through the sight at movement in other "trenches".
    It’s scary when the confrontation goes according to biblical canons - brother against brother, eye for eye, blood for blood.
    No one will say:
    "WHAT ARE YOU DOING? KIND PEOPLE?"
  20. SS68SS
    SS68SS April 25 2014 16: 36
    0
    .... Russia is needed as a force of order ....



    GOLD WORDS.
  21. MG42
    MG42 April 25 2014 16: 38
    0
    Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Andriy Parubiy does not exclude the possibility of the invasion of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine.

    "A country at war"- said A. Parubiy to journalists after meeting with the soldiers of the 1st battalion of the National Guard of Ukraine in Pavlograd (Dnipropetrovsk region).

    According to him, Russia's goal is to provoke a civil conflict, so an invasion of Russian troops cannot be ruled out, which means that "it is necessary to prepare for it."

    The NSDC secretary also noted that, according to him, provocations are expected in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine during the May holidays, in particular on May 1 and 9, they may take place in Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and other regions.


    http://interfax.com.ua/news/political/202320.html
  22. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 25 2014 16: 40
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    Quote: individ
    Now it’s not too late to stop the inevitable.
    On both sides do not burn with a great desire to shoot at each other.
    Now they are taking up positions and while looking through the sight at movement in other "trenches".
    It’s scary when the confrontation goes according to biblical canons - brother against brother, eye for eye, blood for blood.
    No one will say:
    "WHAT ARE YOU DOING? KIND PEOPLE?"

    Looks like this is inevitable in Ukraine .. (alas) 23 years have sowed hatred and discord there (5 billion invested) Of course, you can stop it only after 4-5 years again Maidan? Russia is already tired of it .. We are investing in the Ukrainian economy (100-200 billion) and lousy naglo-Saxons in Bandera and Maidany .. It's a shame and bitter .. It's time to cut the "Gordian knot"!
  23. mig31
    mig31 April 25 2014 16: 59
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    If the junta has no hope, then they have already lost ...
  24. saag
    saag April 25 2014 17: 00
    +2
    the best way to bind the Russian Federation economically and politically so that it does not have enough resources for other things is to slip Ukraine
    1. Black
      Black April 25 2014 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: saag
      this is to slip Ukraine into her


      Well, something like this, only with details ...
      Not all, but its problematic parts ... Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, no one was going to "slip" and is not going to ... Death for these regions will stand, if that.

      Another thing has been achieved. We have with Ukraine, and so for 23 years "love" has faded away. And now we will get an enemy at our side no less stubborn than pshek. Propaganda is still grinding the stones.
  25. mamont5
    mamont5 April 25 2014 18: 13
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    “At some point, Ukraine crossed its red line. Instead of slowly creeping into Western superstructures, jumps and jumps began. Whatever, it’s not a jump. Instead of suffocating Ukrainization, it was aggressive Ukrainization, with attacks of hatred at the official level against its Russian residents (allegedly ) country"

    That's right, supporters of fast and global Ukrainization have missed. Or rather, hurried up, having decided that it’s enough to crawl with a quiet glanders and that you can already jump in one jump into the Eurobog so desired for them.
    More precisely, it was not they who hurried, but their owners. Either the EU, which decided to improve its crisis by capturing a new Ukrainian market, or the United States, where Obama, has been mortally exposed to Putin, from whom he has recently received many clicks on his nose, decided to take revenge and show everyone, and above all, his voters, that he does not bast.
    And most likely, both of them, but separately. And since the owners had different goals and objectives, instead of the planned triumph, they got another embarrassment. And furious Obama, as a senior in the ward, shiked at the EU so that they would not get confused under his feet. But it was too late. Out of shit ... you won’t make candy.
    1. koshh
      koshh April 25 2014 22: 04
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      Quote: mamont5
      Or rather, they were not even in a hurry, but their owners.

      Because they convinced the owners that everything would go quietly, without problems. And on! The first bummer is Crimea. States in shock, rushed stupid and inadequate accusations of Russia. And then the second bummer - the southeast stood up. The junta was at a loss, and so were its sponsors. Now they are chaotically looking for ways out of the situation. If Russia enters, it is to blame. If Russia does not enter, it is also to blame. We need a third, or maybe a fourth option. Solve GDP. I think he can.
  26. Zverboy
    Zverboy April 25 2014 18: 25
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    In Kiev, it seems to me, 50-50 who are for Russia and who are against. The annexation of Crimea by Russia caused a lot of negativity; this action turned a lot of ordinary people of all ages against Russia. But, it must be treated like an abscess by an autopsy. Now is just the time, because time is working for NATO with the Americans, propaganda brainwashes everyone. And we need a firm and understandable position of the Russian leadership, i.e. we support such and such a candidate in the presidential elections, if he wins, it will rain on Ukraine buns, gingerbread, irrevocable loans ...))) We will carry out the lustration of the (real) authorities, the approval of local officials only through Moscow and on real merit, introduction adequate censorship, prohibition of any international funds, organizations, and so on.
  27. samuil60
    samuil60 April 25 2014 18: 26
    +2
    Now Donetsk, Lugansk and others are saved only by the mess in the Ukrainian "authorities" and in the army. I look with amazement at the UNOFFED people at the checkpoints. Who can they stop? Where is the support of the population? Especially I watched ALL reports of our media and videos on the Internet. Everywhere they show THE SAME PEOPLE! Guys, maybe others are not there? Where is the mass of protests? Here we are breaking spears - why is our army still not helping the SE with military force or, at least, with weapons? Or maybe VV and Shoigu see that there is no one to help? Ukraine has become so "not Russia" that the mass of Ukrainians simply do not need us. We are their enemies. Look at the brat on the Maidan who selflessly reads anti-Russian poetry, look at how these ghouls-presidential candidates are met in central (not western!) Ukraine, how they are eagerly watching and - supporting! - Russophobic nonsense about Ukrotelevideniya and you should understand: we want to save the wrong Ukraine! That is, not the one that exists now, but the one that has remained in our memory and heart. We still remember the capture of Kiev, the heroic defense of Odessa and Sevastopol, where our Russian guys laid down thousands and thousands of their lives. And they for the most part do not care about it! And they have other heroes. We liberated half of Europe from fascism, so what? Are the Poles, whom the Germans did not consider to be people and burned alive in whole villages, and our fathers saved them, are we grateful? And the Bulgarians? And the rest, for the possibility of whose existence our guys were dying, love us? Yes, it is in the interests of Russia, as a world power, to annex the territories of the East of Ukraine, but no one will be grateful to us for this, they do not like us ...
    1. koshh
      koshh April 25 2014 22: 29
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      Quote: samuil60
      Here we are breaking spears - why is our army still not helping the SE with military force or, at least, with weapons?

      Ro, despite all the mess that is happening in Ukraine, some representatives of Israel say that they are ready to send 1000 Israeli volunteers (and these are guys who can) to help the southeast, and weapons - ultrasound, and maybe something else. Yes, and our volunteers are waiting for the go-ahead.
  28. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 25 2014 18: 46
    +1
    We shouldn't care whether they love us or not. The question is about the survival of the Russian nation as such. Either Russia stands or collapses under the feet of the conquerors. And there is no time for sentimentality and rules. When you have a knife at your throat ,,,,
  29. melnik
    melnik April 25 2014 19: 42
    +1
    Nothing strange, fighting is not playing paintball on the weekend. Whoever ate from this bowl knows, and at home, God forbid ... But we must return New Russia, we must
  30. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 25 2014 20: 00
    +1
    <<< the direction of Ukraine's movement was one - to legalize its borders through Western structures, to create a homogeneous mass of citizens with the help of general Ukrainization. Russian as a Russian had to die, be replaced by a "Ukrainian". >>>
    Western civilization, which has a lot of experience in the creation of genetically modified products, seems to have used these technologies plus the corresponding ideology against Russia, trying for many years to create a large population of, one might say, genetically modified Russians, called Svidomo Ukrainians, whose hallmark is hostility to everything Russian from hidden, to frank, hostile as in Bandera Banderlog! And today we see the results of this work!
  31. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 25 2014 20: 37
    +1
    War is a terrible thing, a terrible job, Russia knows this firsthand. Over the past two centuries, Russia has suffered most of all in the world from wars, Imagine at least for a minute if there were no wars, revolutions, various coups, even if not three hundred in America, and at least two hundred years to live in peace, without wars and upheavals. Wouldn't we have lived like this, with such a clever people, with such a rich country, the rest of the world would have been smoking nervously on the sidelines. Maybe Mars would have walked long ago.
  32. anfil
    anfil April 25 2014 20: 52
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    Quote: Validator
    The state of Ukraine was formed as a "non-Russia" and "anti-Russia" and made sense only in that capacity. Its rulers and ideologists were well aware that they own someone else's - in fact, stolen - property: territories and people.
    And there were only two ways to make someone else's - their own.
    International: joining all sorts of Western structures that can guarantee the borders: EU, NATO, etc. Internal: accelerated Ukrainization, the forced conversion of Russians living in southern and eastern Ukraine into Ukrainians.

    News from the category: want - believe it, want it - no

    According to “ThamesTV” - the English channel, they showed: in the parliament they are discussing, as usual, the Ukrainian question (on duty) in the morning.

    It turns out that Ban Ki-moon made an interesting statement at the UN yesterday, and for some reason the Ukrainian media are stubbornly silent about him! ..

    The fact is that the UN Security Council once again considered the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion under international law: it turns out that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not properly registered with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state ... They remain along the borders as the administrative district of the USSR, according to the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN has no legal force.

    Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone.

    There is also no reason to talk about separatism, i.e. forcibly changing the configuration of the border.

    You cannot change that which does not exist!

    The demarcation of the borders of Ukraine - only in the project by agreement with the EU!