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Interview with the Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan in 2009-2014, Adilbek Dzhaksybekov

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Kazakhstan is the most dynamic in development among the states of Central Asia, the closest military-political ally of Russia, a member of the Customs Union and the CSTO, and is also actively developing its armed forces. In this regard, of particular interest is the specifics of the military construction of Kazakhstan, its priorities and development trends.


In March, 2014, the director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Ruslan Pukhov, during a meeting with Kazakhstan's Defense Minister Adilbek Dzhaksybekov, interviewed him for Arms Export magazine. A few days after the interview, April 3 Adilbek Dzhaksybekov, who successfully proved himself to reform and develop the national armed forces, was appointed to the post of State Secretary of the Republic of Kazakhstan. The importance of this position in the system of state power in Kazakhstan is indicated by the functions of the Secretary of State.

The Secretary of State exercises the following powers:
- develops for the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan proposals on the main areas of domestic and foreign policy;
On behalf of the Head of State represents his interests:
- in relations with the Parliament of the Republic of Kazakhstan and its chambers, other state bodies, political parties and other public associations;
-in international relations;

The full interview will be published in the second issue of the "Arms Export" magazine for 2014 a year, our blog publishes its abridged version.


Kazakhstan’s Minister of Defense Adilbek Dzhaksybekov and Director of the AST Center Ruslan Pukhov (c) the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan


Adilbek Dzhaksybekov, born in 1954, was in active military service in the Soviet Army in the Red Banner Siberian Military District. In 1977 he graduated from the economics department of the All-Union State Institute of Cinematography (Moscow), in 1987 he was retrained at the Moscow Institute of National Economy. Plekhanov specialty "organizer of logistics". He worked in the system Goskino and Gossnab of the Kazakh SSR, led a number of enterprises. 1988 to 1995 He headed the diversified corporation "Tsesna". In 1995, he is elected to the Senate of the Parliament of the Republic of Kazakhstan. In 1996, he was appointed first deputy akim of the Akmola region. In 1997-2003. - Akim of Astana. In 2003-2004 - Minister of Industry and Trade of the Republic of Kazakhstan. In 2004-2008 - Head of the Presidential Administration of the Republic of Kazakhstan. January 23 to October 13 2008 of the year - 1-th Deputy Chairman of the People's Democratic Party "Nur Otan" - Advisor to the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan. In 2008-2009 - Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation. From June 2009 to April 2014, Minister of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. From 3 April 2014 - State Secretary of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Candidate of Economic Sciences.

How do you assess the role of Kazakhstan in the system of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO)? How effective, in your opinion, is the interaction between the member countries of the organization?

The Collective Security Treaty Organization today is an established multifunctional regional collective security organization, operating on the principles of equality, mutual respect and having a stabilizing effect on the situation in Eurasia.
The results of the CSTO activities confirm the commitment to improving cooperation in the field of preserving peace and stability in the region and the world. Regulations have been adopted and a mechanism for joint measures to prevent (resolve) crisis situations has been agreed. A solid legal framework has been created governing the activities of the Organization in all major areas of security.

The Republic of Kazakhstan is strengthening cooperation with the CSTO member states in the framework of coalition military development, carried out in the interests of ensuring joint security. Our state stands for the consolidation of efforts to ensure collective military security, as well as the further development of the CSTO system, forces and means.

At the initiative of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, the Collective Rapid Reaction Force was formed within the framework of the CSTO. The collective forces consisted of military contingents and formations of special forces, equipped with modern weapons. Collective peacekeeping forces are formed in the structure of the Organization. During joint operational and combat training activities, the level of their interaction is increased.

The Council of Ministers of Defense and the CSTO Joint Headquarters in a planned manner take measures to strengthen the integration processes in the military sphere. These are activities such as inspecting the state of combat readiness, harmonizing the forces and means of the Collective Forces during the annual Interaction and the Indestructible Brotherhood exercises.

At these exercises, approbation of the adopted regulatory legal documents and working out joint actions by contingents of the armed forces and formations of special-purpose forces of the Organization's member states that are part of the Collective Forces was carried out.


(c) press service of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan


Does the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan have plans to reach certain indicators of self-sufficiency in armaments, military equipment and ammunition?

The head of state assigned the task to 2020 to ensure that the level of local content in the procurement of weapons and military equipment is up to 80%.

It is difficult to carry out production planning, especially defense, until such time. However, by 2050, we plan to reach the level of maximum equipping of the Armed Forces with military equipment manufactured by domestic enterprises, having achieved a high localization of production within
execution of state defense orders.

It should be noted that the volume of production for JSC NC Kazakhstan Engineering in 2015 will reach the level of 120,4 billion tenge (6,18 billion rubles), and the Kazakh share in the total volume of military and dual-use products will be at least 50% ( in 2013, 45%).
In this regard, the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, together with interested government agencies, is improving the national support system for domestic defense enterprises.

Is the Kazakh state armaments program synchronized with the Russian one? How do you assess the quality of the implementation of the LG?

In the Republic of Kazakhstan, systematically carried out measures of technological modernization of the Armed Forces, as well as enterprises of the military-industrial complex, aimed at:
• maintenance and modernization of existing military equipment;
• procurement of weapons and military equipment, the production of which is absent in Kazakhstan or, for economic or technological reasons, is inexpedient.

The arsenal of the Kazakh army consists of Soviet-made armament, the manufacturing enterprises of which remained in Russia. Therefore, the components of the units and components come from these enterprises, some specific services also provide them. Within the framework of the prospective equipment, separate modern models of Russian-made weapons adopted or adopted by the Armed Forces of Russia are received in military units.

Considering that Russian enterprises are, first of all, executors of the national state defense order, there is a close relationship between the Kazakh and Russian weapons programs.

As in other countries, financial and economic shocks within the state are also unavoidable in our country, which negatively affects the implementation of the planned activities. In addition, the timely fulfillment by foreign suppliers-suppliers of their obligations has a great influence.

In recent years, Kazakhstan has increased purchases of weapons and military equipment (IWT) in Europe, and contracts have been concluded with Ukraine. Is there any long-term strategy to diversify the sources of revenues of weapons and military equipment, or in each case the decision is made individually?

In the Republic of Kazakhstan, technological modernization of weapons and military equipment, as well as the development of the military-industrial complex, which allows planning in advance the flow of weapons and military equipment for the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan, taking into account supply diversification, is carried out.

The Armed Forces of Kazakhstan are purchasing modern types of weapons and military equipment that meet the requirements of future operators. Therefore, the geography of suppliers is expanding.

At the same time, in the case of the profitability of organizing the domestic production of weapons selected by the Armed Forces, issues of offset production or technology play an important factor in choosing a supplier. Based on the aggregate results of monitoring in these areas, the source of the weapons is selected.

For example, the implementation of the Armed Forces Technological Modernization Program resulted in the creation of a number of enterprises for assembling helicopters, radar stations, manufacturing ships, boats, fire and special vehicles, car trailers, optoelectronic devices, radio stations, 30-mm and 125-mm ammunition , as well as other military products. New productions such as the repair and upgrading of helicopters, armored and motor vehicles, artillery weapons were opened.

Are there any plans to buy drone drums?

Modern mobile and well-equipped armed forces of any state should be armed with modern systems and complexes capable of adequately countering external challenges and internal contradictions to protect the independence and territorial integrity of the state.

Currently, reconnaissance drums UAVs are one of the main weapons during anti-terrorist operations for the application of pinpoint strikes. This is a worldwide trend in the use of unmanned vehicles in the armed forces.
In addition, the size of the territory of Kazakhstan suggests the presence of UAVs capable of performing various functions of monitoring and tracking at long ranges and long duration. In this regard, we are considering equipping the Armed Forces with such aircraft, and active work is being done in this direction.

If we consider the potential threats in the region, what do you think is more likely: destabilization of Afghanistan or disintegration of one of the countries of Central Asia? How troubling is the current situation in Kyrgyzstan?

The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan monitors the situation in Afghanistan, since the development of the situation in this country is of great importance to us. The main threat to the region, it seems, after easing control by the central government of Afghanistan, will be an increase in drug trafficking. Now there are large flows of drugs across the border of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

At the same time, Kazakhstan is concerned about the growing activity of terrorist elements in the region, which can penetrate the territory of the countries of the Central Asian region and destabilize the situation. Kazakhstan is preparing for this, is strengthening its armed forces, interacting with its neighbors in the region, who directly border with Afghanistan - with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Kazakhstan provides assistance in strengthening borders, exchanges information in order to increase the capacity of countries in the region. It turns out and financial assistance.

As part of international efforts, Kazakhstan is actively involved in the process of stabilizing the situation in Afghanistan and is increasing bilateral cooperation with Afghanistan. Kazakhstan has allocated more than 4,5 million dollars for the restoration of roads, the construction of schools and hospitals.
Since 2010, more than 1000 Afghan students are studying in Kazakhstani schools, for which 50 million dollars have been allocated. Our defense ministry follows the policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan aimed at involving Afghanistan in regional processes, both within international organizations and on a bilateral basis.

How are military contacts with the PRC developing? Can China in the future become an equally important partner in the military sphere, like Russia, or replace it?

Kazakhstan’s foreign policy is based on the principles of multi-vector approach, balance, pragmatism and mutual benefit. In accordance with the national interests of Kazakhstan, the main foreign policy efforts will focus on the achievement of such basic goals as the all-round provision of national security, defense, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of the country; strengthening peace, global and regional security.

In this regard, the Republic of Kazakhstan will continue to strengthen relations with neighboring countries, including Russia and China. Both states are strategic partners of Kazakhstan, and it is inappropriate to consider replacing one with another.

Are prospective samples of individual equipment ("soldier of the future") being studied? Have any samples been tested in the Kazakh army?

Of course, this work is being done. There are separate samples of technical equipment used in promising equipment, primarily for intelligence and special purpose units. The proposals of a number of leading foreign manufacturers are being studied, for which future military trials are planned.

How do you assess the Kazakhstan experience of outsourcing, attracting civilian companies to service military units? Does this not lead to increased corruption problems and reduced combat readiness?

Analysis of the implementation of outsourcing in the technical support system of the Armed Forces shows the need for a thorough approach to this issue, taking into account financial and economic features.

Currently, the most successful example of outsourcing is the transfer of the power supply system of military units and institutions to small and medium-sized businesses. The result was the liberation of the Armed Forces from the organization of food, the maintenance of food supplies and other issues related to food. This work began at the beginning of the 2000-ies, and over the past period of time has been constantly improved.

In addition, a major overhaul of weapons and military equipment is already being carried out at domestic defense enterprises. Maintenance and repair of weapons remains the prerogative of military units. We have carried out calculations of the cash costs of military units, as well as projected costs for the types of maintenance and current repairs when they are outsourced. These calculations show the low efficiency of outsourcing the transfer of weapons and military equipment, consisting on the equipment of the Army for more than 20 years.

In order to effectively address this issue, we are systematically transferring the maintenance and repair of newly acquired modern high-tech weapons to outsourced to domestic defense enterprises.
With proper organization of the outsourcing system and related issues of interaction and control, it is possible to maximally avoid the problems of corruption and a reduction in the combat readiness of weapons.

Tell us about the exhibition of weapons and military equipment "KADEX-2014"

Once again in the city of Astana in the period from 22 to 25 in May 2014, the third international exhibition of weapons and military-technical equipment "KADEX-2014" will be held. The holding of the international exhibition of weapons and military equipment “KADEX-2014” in the capital of Kazakhstan proves once again that this is a large-scale exhibition uniting representatives of leading enterprises of the country, their partners and guests from abroad. 225 applications for participation from 23 countries of the world have been submitted for participation in the upcoming exhibition. The total area of ​​the booked exhibition space is more than 50 000 sq.m.

The main feature of the third KADEX exhibition will be that the majority of foreign companies will present not only stands with small models of their products, but also working prototypes and real samples of military equipment. Many of these models of equipment will be demonstrated in dynamics at a special test site built for the exhibition. This will provide military specialists with a unique opportunity not only to theoretically familiarize themselves with the tactical and technical characteristics of the equipment, but also practically to study it.

A scientific and practical conference is scheduled during the exhibition. The main leitmotif of the upcoming conference will be the discussion of the prospects for equipping the Army with modern weapons and military equipment and the development of the defense-industrial complex of the Republic of Kazakhstan, its development and improvement. Including the issues of increasing labor productivity, which types of military and dual-purpose products should be specialized taking into account the world division of labor and international cooperation, as in modern conditions there is no need to produce the whole range of weapons and military equipment on our own. In addition, large foreign companies are planning to hold their own conferences on modern trends in the development of military equipment. They will discuss modern views and approaches to resolving issues related to the operation and repair of weapons and military equipment, the prospects for technical modernization of weapons and military equipment, as well as the development of high-tech production for the creation of modern weapon systems.

The main sections of the exhibition will be represented by such as:
• Space technology;
<br>• Aviation, UAV, aviation weapons;
• Air defense systems and equipment;
• Green technologies;
• Robotics in the military sphere;
• IT-technologies, systems and communications;
• Armament and equipment of the Ground Forces and Navy;
• Rear and technical support of troops.

The previous KADEX International Armament and Military Equipment Exhibition, held in 2010 and 2012, has become one of the biggest memorable events in the framework of strengthening business partnerships and international cooperation of Kazakhstan.

One of the important components of the KADEX exhibition is its business program, including the international scientific and technical conference, as well as seminars, presentations and “round tables”.

One of the main objectives of the exhibition is the active development of the defense-industrial complex and the attraction of foreign investment in the country, which will enhance the image of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the international arena of arms and military equipment exhibitions.

At the same time with the exhibition, the organizers plan to hold the II International Festival of Military Brass Bands. Highly professional military orchestras of the countries of the near and far abroad will demonstrate the “Tattoo show” (defile).

I hope that the exhibition will substantially complement the complex being implemented to support domestic producers and strengthen the export potential of the country's military-industrial complex. I am confident that the exhibition will allow to get acquainted with the best achievements of scientific and technical thought, will make a significant contribution to the development of military-technical cooperation, will strengthen business ties and will contribute to the international authority of Kazakhstan.
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  1. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru April 25 2014 19: 33
    -1
    • Zelennpassed technologies; Adilbek Dzhaksybekov

    Perhaps an illiterate use of "n"? "State Secretary of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Candidate of Economic Sciences".
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 25 2014 19: 43
      +1
      Adilbek Dzhaksybekov ... after Nazarbayev one of the candidates ..? Speaks not bad like ..
      1. Zymran
        Zymran April 25 2014 19: 44
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN

        Adilbek Dzhaksybekov ... after Nazarbayev one of the candidates ..?


        No.
  2. konvalval
    konvalval April 25 2014 19: 40
    +5
    Kazakhstan is one of the best and most adequate of our allies.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 25 2014 19: 56
      +3
      Quote: konvalval
      Kazakhstan is one of the best and most adequate of our allies.


      When the transport police of Kazanstakan all over stop clinging to the Russian old people in trains and railway stations. When the customs officers stop doing unguarded extortion. When the laws written in their capital are binding on all areas. Then my vision will be closer to yours.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran April 25 2014 20: 00
        +7
        Quote: Humpty
        When the transport police of Kazanstakan all over stop clinging to the Russian old people in trains and railway stations. When the customs officers stop doing unguarded extortion. When the laws written in their capital are binding on all areas. Then my vision will be closer to yours.


        This will be subject to reform of the political system, like the Georgian one, and the current authorities will never do that.

        to get in touch with Russian old people in trains and at railway stations


        Our attitude towards the elderly is much better than in the Russian Federation.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty April 25 2014 20: 21
          0
          Zymran KZ

          There are no ready-made recipes such as Georgian, especially since the Georgians did not, to put it mildly.
          I don’t really want Kazakhstan to have coups with non-festive fireworks.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran April 25 2014 20: 25
            +3
            Quote: Humpty
            There are no ready-made recipes such as Georgian, especially since the Georgians did not, to put it mildly.


            Well, they curbed corruption and crime very effectively.
            1. Humpty
              Humpty April 25 2014 20: 43
              -2
              Zymran KZ
              Let’s not talk about the victory over petty corruption on the example of traffic cops, although this is certainly a useful step. For example, traffic cops don’t really mess around with you, but on a number of important roads there are so many other clumsy feeders that sometimes you don’t spend valuable time on an empty market, sometimes it’s better to choose a longer road.
              1. Zymran
                Zymran April 25 2014 20: 45
                +2
                Quote: Humpty
                Let's not talk about the victory over petty corruption on the example of traffic cops, although this is certainly a useful step


                It's not just the traffic cops, but the whole police force as a whole. And most importantly, the elimination of the institute of thieves in law. Of course, I do not idealize Saakashvili and his regime, but useful and working schemes must be applied.
                The main problem of Kazakhstan is corruption and everything should be done to eradicate it.

                Quote: Humpty
                Traffic cops, for example, don’t really mess around with you, but on a number of important roads there are so many other clumsy feeders that sometimes you don’t spend valuable time on an empty bazaar, so it’s better to choose a longer road


                I do not quite understand what you mean.
                1. Humpty
                  Humpty April 25 2014 21: 38
                  0
                  Nothing of the kind, that would be a purely Kazakhstani problem. Not traffic cops, but the police misbehaving
                  including on the roads in your "Texas" plus banditry.
                  1. Semurg
                    Semurg April 25 2014 21: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: Humpty
                    Nothing of the kind, that would be a purely Kazakhstani problem. Not traffic cops, but the police misbehaving
                    including on the roads in your "Texas" plus banditry.

                    A week ago I drove along a new highway from Shymkent to Balykchy (Kyzyl-Ord region), the road is basically ready to go and have fun. It’s the only thing in a couple of places where they didn’t make rounds but led the route through ambush villages with speed meters, and 130 km traveled all the way faster, but I’m afraid even though you’re driving 130 and you don’t feel the speed it seems you’re traveling 60-70km.
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                  3. blizart
                    blizart April 26 2014 06: 05
                    +1
                    Recently I drove on my own from Dzhambul to Odessa, I didn't stop a lot (2 times and both near Voronezh), I "bred" the Russian traffic policemen as if they were relatives, I gave a piece of rubles and walk
        2. blizart
          blizart April 26 2014 05: 59
          0
          Our attitude towards the elderly is much better than in the Russian Federation.
          To the old people of their nation, yes.
          Old man of another different nation
    2. danperevera
      danperevera April 25 2014 20: 19
      -3
      Russia has no allies except its army and navy. for example, a referendum in Crimea, Kazakhstan did not recognize
      1. Semurg
        Semurg April 25 2014 21: 01
        +3
        Quote: danperevera
        Russia has no allies except its army and navy. for example, a referendum in Crimea, Kazakhstan did not recognize

        The army and navy are state tools like the police, the court, the National Security Committee, etc., and if there are no allies (brains and hands), then a hammer with a saw can be called an ally of the carpenter. The state has the main ally and main enemy is the people. If the state is fair and adequate, then this is his invincible ally, if not, then this is his mortal enemy. And external allies are a matter of interest.
  3. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 April 25 2014 19: 44
    +4
    I suppose to hope that both for Nursultan Nazarbayev and Kazakhstan as a whole (and all of Central Asia) the only right decision is to support their defense exclusively in cooperation with Russia.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg April 25 2014 21: 22
      +3
      Quote: Ivan 63
      I suppose to hope that both for Nursultan Nazarbayev and Kazakhstan as a whole (and all of Central Asia) the only right decision is to support their defense exclusively in cooperation with Russia.

      In strengthening the defense capability of the Republic of Kazakhstan, it occupies an important place, but by no means an exclusive (only right) decision. The sooner you understand and accept this, the easier it will be to build mutual interests (otherwise it will be one step from Ukraine’s brotherly people to Bandera fascists laughing )
      1. blizart
        blizart April 26 2014 06: 23
        0
        Several facts. Under Dzhaksybekov, they did not receive a single prize. Throwing in the top echelon of leadership is visible to the naked eye (either the Chief of the General Staff, then the PKNSH-chairman of the committee of chiefs of staff and back, then recruit "jackets" into the army, then put aside) the uniform is changed almost every year, but it was like ... but and remained. And most importantly, the quality of the officer corps continues to decline, you rarely find a truly enthusiastic (at least something) person among them. Well, corruption, where can my darling do without it
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  4. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 25 2014 20: 19
    +4
    Kazakhstan is our ally, so we must closely monitor everything that happens there for our own well-being.
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    2. Semurg
      Semurg April 25 2014 21: 24
      +4
      Quote: Giant thought
      Kazakhstan is our ally, so we must closely monitor everything that happens there for our own well-being.

      This is correct, but we are following you for our well-being.
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    4. Netrocker
      Netrocker April 25 2014 21: 28
      +11
      For example, you can track smile

      1. Hleb
        Hleb April 25 2014 22: 50
        +5
        thank you. for me today it is more than a video
        1. Netrocker
          Netrocker April 26 2014 12: 19
          +3
          You are always welcome ... But this is already sung by modern youth, a beautiful voice:

  5. sledge
    sledge April 25 2014 21: 23
    0
    It’s better to be friends with Russia than to compete
  6. sledge
    sledge April 25 2014 21: 23
    +1
    It’s better to be friends with Russia than to compete
  7. demotivator
    demotivator April 25 2014 21: 29
    -8
    How are military contacts with the PRC developing? Can China in the future become an equally important partner in the military sphere, like Russia, or replace it?

    Apparently, Kazakhstan is closely following the Ukrainian events, and decided not to allow the “Crimean scenario” on its territory. The leadership of Kazakhstan decided to dramatically increase the Kazakh population in the north of the country. While we are talking about the resettlement of 300 thousand Kazakhs from the south of the country to the northern regions. Well, China will help the Kazakhs in this regard - not only with investment projects, but also with additional labor from the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, where Kazakhs and Uyghurs live. According to the agreement, Kazakhstan will give China the right to lease and use land, and China will take on all issues related to financing and providing the necessary equipment. Moreover, all products that will be produced thanks to this agreement will be sold on the Kazakh and Chinese markets.
    But the economic component is not so interesting. Since we are talking about the beginning of substitutional migration and “indigenousization” of Northern Kazakhstan.
    At the moment, Russians make up 23,7% of the population of Kazakhstan, or 3 million 869 thousand people. Moreover, they live very compactly in the north of Kazakhstan, in the region whose historical name is South Siberia and which was transferred from Russia to the formed Kazakh SSR. The share of the Russian population is very significant. And judging by the statements of the Kazakh leadership, they decided, relying on the help of China, to correct this "misunderstanding" by changing the ethnic composition of the region.
    1. Netrocker
      Netrocker April 25 2014 21: 33
      +2
      interesting, but where is the source of this information? bully
      1. Semurg
        Semurg April 25 2014 21: 44
        +4
        Quote: Netrocker
        interesting, but where is the source of this information? bully

        Well, if you think about it in the light of the Crimean events, this is the right decision. The north of the Republic of Kazakhstan is losing population due to the departure of Russian speakers and a natural decline, and the Kazakhs moving from the south and west of the Republic of Kazakhstan to the north is an important and right step for the state (if the Russian Federation begins to resettle Russians from the west of the Russian Federation to the Far East the right step), and it seems like we are taking similar measures We have been offered to the oralmans who will go to the north for help, and in the Russian Federation, immigrants to certain areas are promised assistance.
        1. Netrocker
          Netrocker April 25 2014 21: 56
          +3
          It’s just written there:
          Quote: demotivator
          not only investment projects, but also additional labor from the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, where Kazakhs and Uyghurs live.

          Those. judging by its text, our Government decided to invite sarts from China to Kazakhstan ?! What for? Those Chinese Kazakhs are not very much eager here - they have something to do there ...
          1. Semurg
            Semurg April 25 2014 22: 24
            +1
            Quote: Netrocker
            It’s just written there:
            Quote: demotivator
            not only investment projects, but also additional labor from the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, where Kazakhs and Uyghurs live.

            Those. judging by its text, our Government decided to invite sarts from China to Kazakhstan ?! What for? Those Chinese Kazakhs are not very much eager here - they have something to do there ...

            In principle, if this is necessary for the country, this can also be done, but for me it is better for the oralmans and young families to give substantial assistance by linking it to living in the north for those who wish to move north from the south and west of the Republic of Kazakhstan. They are already traveling, and the state, solving its tasks, should help them in this. Well, to critics what we have and what is abroad, there is a saying that a dog barks, the caravan goes, and the Republic of Kazakhstan will do what it considers to be good for us and our descendants.
            1. Netrocker
              Netrocker April 25 2014 22: 43
              +3
              That's just about SARTOV disagree! In general, to whom did it occur to the Uighurs to transport here? They are not even Türks ... Or is it a duck?
              1. Semurg
                Semurg April 26 2014 08: 40
                0
                Quote: Netrocker
                That's just about SARTOV disagree! In general, to whom did it occur to the Uighurs to transport here? They are not even Türks ... Or is it a duck?

                as in the discussion on Far East about the indignation of Russians about migrants from Middle Asia, the Russians suggested that the Tajik Uzbeks be resettled along the border with China. Since the Russians are leaving the Far East and the Chinese are filling the void, the lesser of two evils must be chosen and the Uzbek Tajiks, with all the minuses, will not raise the flag of Uzbekistan or China to the Far East, but this is possible with the Chinese. Now, to the north of Kazakhstan, we have a similar problem, the Uighurs-Sarts will not raise our China-Russian flag (the example of Catherine with the Germans moving to the Volga region is positive), and what’s interesting now is the elders of Ugurs in Almaty directly tell young people to marry and marry Kazakhs although 60-70 years adhered to the reverse policy after fleeing from China to the USSR. In general, there are options for leadership to look and think.
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    2. Rinat 1
      Rinat 1 April 28 2014 09: 02
      0
      You are tired of your indigenization. This nonsense has already been discussed, this is not planned.
  8. scientist
    scientist April 25 2014 22: 06
    -1
    It would be better to tell why, by signing agreements on the Unified Air Defense System, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan purchases French GM-403 radars, for which there is even enough money in the budget. And this is despite the fact that the Russian counterparts 96L6, Gamma-C1, Sky-IED and even the old Opponent-GE are almost 3 times cheaper, in terms of their performance characteristics, the security parameters, detection zone parameters and capabilities to accompany OTP are much higher than GM-402 ! And in terms of reliability, at least be on the same level.
    Now such diplomats divorced that the normal officer simply has nowhere to go.
    A simple example. About 5 generals of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan were planted over the past 10 years. But no one even wonders why this happened! All those who appointed these people dragged to power remained in place. Not a single minister was hurt. Or they have already ceased to be responsible for the outrages. Or is it because not theirs, but their deputies were caught hand in hand with bribes, so they probably followed the direct instructions of their patrons and carried the money not only to themselves. UNHCR, the KNB was also well aware of the extent of corruption and, despite everything, is still lobbying for Israeli radio station suppliers.
    Or another, more relevant example. The same S. Akhmetov, the new Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, while still Vice-Premier, was in charge of the defense industry and, thanks to his personal connections with BelTechExport, which is headed by the Belarusian oligarch Vladimir Peftiev, personally lobbied for the Belarusian software for the creation of an air defense automated control system for several million dollars. This is despite the fact that the Russian-Kazakh working group on the creation of an air defense system, created by the orders of Presidents Nazarbayev and Putin back in 2007, has already prepared a full draft contract for the creation of an air defense automatic control system at a price ten times lower than the Belarusian one! At the same time, all the software, including the creation of the Regional Air Defense Center, was transferred free of charge and unlike the bullshit that the Belarusian "Agat" transferred to China before, despite the protests of Russia, and now Kazakhstan. Although even an amateur understands perfectly well that knowledge of algorithms for a potential adversary allows him to find vulnerabilities and overcome an air defense system without any stealth technology. And in the Belarusian ACS there are a lot of these vulnerabilities! But for the same S. Akhmetov and A. Dzhaksybekov it was not a secret that the Russian air defense system is actually an order of magnitude better than the Belarusian automatic control system for the simple reason that it is based on missile defense algorithms, as well as the experience of a large scientific school of automatic control systems, which in Belarus never was and no! At the same time, the Russian ACS could really provide automation of the control of air defense fire weapons through standard communication systems and on-board computers, with the full implementation of all performance characteristics, and the Belarusian only at the level of collecting information and supporting decision-making.
    Now Kazakhstan has signed an agreement on the Unified Air Defense System with Russia and the creation of a Regional Air Defense Center in Almaty. And now for the second time, the ACS system that has not yet come into operation will be thrown into the trash, before that there was a national ACS Berkut, which was lobbyed by the proteges of the former Minister Alynbaev, acting deputy MO O. Saparov. The latter did not hesitate to write off the Berkut automated control system as a scrap, when they explained to him on the fingers that it was simply dangerous for aviation. At the same time, millions of dollars have been washed with the help of a private granite bench for 2 years. Now the story is repeating itself.
  9. scientist
    scientist April 25 2014 22: 07
    0
    I don’t know whether the Russians will raise a scandal due to the fact that it is absolutely impossible to dock ACS of the highest level - the regional air defense command, capable of solving real combat tasks not only of air defense, but also missile defense, with old software copied by the Belarusian Agat from the Soviet ACS tactical link "Field" in the early 90's, which is not able to solve even the elementary tasks of the dispatch control center, not to mention the automatic target allocation and target designation, and even more so about tactical missile defense.
    So in this way, for a couple of green lamas in Kazakhstan, the interests of the state were sold and will be sold, and these officials do not care about defense capability! One chatter, just to stay in the chair. But real pros, officers who are able to prevent this outrage either retire or initiate criminal proceedings on charges of espionage in favor of Russia. Remains spineless youth, or brainless easily controlled talkers. Here is such a Russophobic military-technical policy in Kazakhstan. And I can cite a dozen such examples personally, and this is not only ACS and air defense, the same thing when repairing aircraft, acquiring armored vehicles, for which Almaz Asenov landed, about tactical radio communications systems, where Israel sits densely with its corrupt communications and the absolute support of the local special service UVKR KNB, etc. What kind of defense !?
  10. Argyn-suindyk
    Argyn-suindyk April 26 2014 08: 02
    +6
    I went in, read an article, comments! As always, everything is predictable and recognizable: the oppression of Russians, Northern Kazakhstan is Russia, they did not recognize the Crimea! Kazakhs are nationalists and uneducated narrow-eyed people - a nation invented to take away the sacred lands from highly developed Russians! The meaning of the article does not interest anyone; Kazakhstan and the Kazakhs are like a red rag for local bulls, whipping boys, so to speak! Sad
    1. Ilkhan
      Ilkhan April 26 2014 08: 56
      +2
      You can find such people everywhere, among any nationality. There are among the Russians, there are also among the Kazakhs, Yakuts, Tuvinians, Buryats, Ukrainians and so on. There is no need to generalize and no need to get hung up on artificially contrived "national issues". Otherwise, they become organic and viable from artificial.
  11. demotivator
    demotivator April 26 2014 08: 17
    -6
    Quote: Netrocker
    Those. judging by its text, our Government decided to invite sarts from China to Kazakhstan?

    Who are the sarts, I do not know, you know better there. But, apparently, they are also undesirable people for you, as well as Russians. It is necessary to judge not by my texts, but by the decisions of our Kazakh leadership. Is that news to you living there? Did I open your eyes? Or does it really hurt your eyes? Well, I'll give you a link, so you will immediately say that you do not trust the source. It is not necessary to ask such questions, but to discuss the essence of the problem, which is exactly what is stated in the rules of this site. Moreover, it’s enough to type in any search engine a request for the migration of workers from China to Kazakhstan and you will receive a lot of materials on this topic. Moreover, what catches the eye - all Kazakh authors shout outright that these Chinese migrants are TOO MUCH! That migrants from China are many times greater than the number of Russians leaving the republic. Since it’s so hard for you to find this information yourself, I’ll help you:
    Adjar Kurtov, "Chinese migration to Kazakhstan: is the future of this phenomenon determined?"
    http://www.apn.kz/publications/article393.htm
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/1634788.html
    And here is this article from the website of the city of Astana - http://astana-kz.info/news/magraz.php
    But, back to what I wrote about in the previous post - about squeezing out the Russian population from Kazakhstan. Do you have anything to say about this? Or did you just put your minus sign, sarcastically doubted something and that's all? Essentially, is there anything to say in the case, or will we go in circles like this? I remind you once again that, apparently, Kazakhstan decided to follow the Chinese path, starting to stimulate Kazakh migration to the Russian north of the country. Of course, the demographic potential of the Kazakhs is much lower than Chinese and they cannot physically, like the Han people, completely change the ethnic map of the region in a couple of years and become an absolute national majority in it. But nevertheless they chose this path. The path of forced "indigenization" of historically Russian regions.
    And we are talking not only about the resettlement of Chinese Uighurs and Kazakhs, but also the gradual squeezing out of the Russian population, as is already actively done in the south of Kazakhstan, where the main stream of Russian immigrants to Russia now comes from.
    Of course, Kazakhstan is not Tajikistan, where, in relation to the Russian population, a policy of genocide was once pursued. Kazakhs have other methods - discrimination and squeezing. And now, substitute migration has also been added to them.
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 26 2014 08: 42
      +3
      You invented the term "extrusion" because you no longer know how and what to hook us on. It is not possible to scrape the facts of oppression, it is necessary to come up with "squeezing out", so that later on to start a war with the Kazakhs! And you, as a connoisseur of Kazakhstan, know that due to the unfavorable demographic situation and internal migration from the villages of the North. In Kazakhstan, to large cities, where, according to the domino principle: less than 100 yards in the aul, the school was closed, the school was closed, the youth moved to the district, regional centers, the youth left, they close the clinic (what to keep doctors if there are no patients)! To avoid this, the migrants - ethnic Kazakhs (who fled to Mongolia, China, etc. in 1931-1932, fleeing the Goloshchekin reform, which resulted in the death of about 2 million Kazakhs) are sent to live in sparsely populated areas and auls of the Northern Kazakhstan to reduce internal migration and develop animal husbandry there. All of this is perfectly known to you! For you, this is "squeezing the Russians out". Such an elegant provocation!
    2. Netrocker
      Netrocker April 26 2014 12: 00
      +2
      Sarts are the descendants of the Persians of Cyrus and Darius, as well as Tajiks, Pamiri, Yagnobins, Ossetians, and Sarts of Uzbekistan. They called themselves Uighurs only in 1920 at the congress in Tashkent, before that they were called bright-fangs, kashgarlyks and taranchas. They were known to all as sarts. And they named themselves so at a specially convened congress. Bartold swore a lot about this.

      Well, for the rest, they have already answered you. And indeed you remind me more of the troll, trying to shout about what and there is no trace at all, but after such posts THIS may appear ...
  12. Astana_KZ
    Astana_KZ April 26 2014 08: 50
    +5
    Demotivator you are a worthless incitement, such as you and brought to power a fascist junta in Ukraine. Fashik you generally in one word !!!!
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 26 2014 09: 06
      +4
      Such as it is heating up the ethnic situation, because they live a thousand miles from the Republic of Kazakhstan and they know very well how to rock the boat. To begin with, they write about the oppression of the Russians, they are answered, the Kazakh Russians are turned on, the Kazakhs answer them, a dispute arises, passes into srach. There is ethnic hatred and hatred, and the demotivator aside that he will be far away and knows his work. People like him are sitting in social networks and are working under different nicknames. The goal is to incite nations, blame the Kazakhs, give an example of Ukraine (they say we warned) and start a war.
  13. demotivator
    demotivator April 26 2014 09: 37
    -3
    Quote: Astana_KZ
    Demotivator, you are a worthless kindle

    Quote: Argyn-Suindyk
    Such as it is heating up the ethnic situation,

    This is again all empty accusations, emotions. In response to my words that the Russians are leaving Kazakhstan, and Kazakhstan ranks first in the resettlement of Russian compatriots from it to Russia, on the appeal of the Cossacks to Putin, (I quoted him above), you slipped into banal insults. Are you lacking in a normal dialogue? Here I give you a quote from another source on the extent of Russian migration from Kazakhstan:
    As for the dynamics of the exodus of Russians from Kazakhstan, the most massive outflow occurred in the first decade of independence, in about 1994 alone about 800 thousand Russians left the republic; perhaps no other republic of the former USSR knew Russian migration. By the end of the 90s, the scale of the outflow slowed down, in 1999 about 80 thousand people left the country; the relative stabilization of the economic situation in the country, associated with favorable conditions on the hydrocarbon market, has slowed the pace of migration of the Russian population, which by the mid-2000s and to this day has been approximately 20 thousand a year. The official statistics of the Agency for Statistics, for example, indicate that over the past 2012, twenty-one thousand Russians left Kazakhstan, of which 20 thousand went to Russia. In total, according to the most conservative estimates, over the entire period of independence, 2,5 million Russians left Kazakhstan, although, I think, it will be more accurate to operate with a figure of 3 million.
    http://windowrussia.ruvr.ru/2013_07_22/Ilja-Namovir-Kazahstanu-neobhodimo-prizna

    t-nalichie-russkogo-voprosa-9683 /
    But you, stubborn, and here you will find "incitement" or something else. Is it okay to discuss the problem, weak?
    1. Semurg
      Semurg April 26 2014 10: 11
      +1
      whether the birds are flying migratory, or the rats are fleeing the ship (these are the words from the Sunday song about the Jews who left the USSR for Israel). Tell the Jews in the union oppressed? And in Russian there is nothing to discuss who left or are going to, they believe that yes they oppress. Those who decided to stay consider that not. One part of the Kazakhs believes that there is no oppression and that everything should be left as it is, the other part of the Kazakhs believes that it is time for the Russians to decide after 20 years of independence of the Republic of Kazakhstan, they recognize themselves as citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan with all the rights and obligations arising from this, or Ch-V-R (and this I don’t like Russians who would like today's status quo to be maintained). Moreover, the second group of Kazakhs is mainly young people and in 15-20 years they will be at the helm of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which means that the local Russian-speakers will have to decide (with whom you are cultural workers laughing ).
    2. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk April 26 2014 11: 07
      +2
      It is normal to discuss a problem that is not, in principle, not realistic, just as it is unrealistic to discuss any other problem with people who do not understand common sense. The Russians (ours) have two homelands, Kazakhstan, and where they feel good! Those who leave are choosing the second: Russia, Germany, Israel, etc. There are probably no objections about "squeezing out", maybe you can think of "etching". God forbid the anticyclone will pass through the North Kaz-well, where the Russians live again, attribute to the Kazakhs as one of the most sophisticated types of oppression.