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Ukraine after Geneva: the West invited Russia to the war

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Ukraine after Geneva: the West invited Russia to the warBattle reports from the Eastern Ukrainian front and talks in Geneva push out equally important from the information space news. The economy of Ukraine is rapidly dying, which forces the acting. the authorities in Kiev will radicalize the situation in the republic and throw new logs into the flames of civil war.


Senseless talks

The Geneva talks, as expected, did not bring any positive news and in no way changed the policy of the West towards Ukraine.

Kiev the day after the meeting reported that it had already fulfilled all the requirements set forth in the agreement, including dealt with the militants on the Maidan. It turns out that they are absolutely legal there, therefore, there is no need to disarm them. The rebels are the same. authorities give a few days to surrender weaponsthreatening the continuation of the "anti-terrorist operation."

The Army of the Southeast, realizing that Kiev is not responsible for the promises given to them and openly lying about the fulfillment of the Geneva demands, is not going to retreat and hand over its weapons.

At the same time, Russia is not only demanded to withdraw virtual militants and terrorists from the eastern regions of Ukraine, but also to bear responsibility for the formation of insurgent regions that are not under its control. Otherwise, new sanctions packages will come into force.

The Kiev government, which is rapidly losing control over the situation, got several days to regroup and prepare provocations — it’s hard to think of another reliable way to force the army and security forces to shoot to kill. And without blood, Kiev will very quickly lose the remnants of power, even in loyal regions.

The main result of these negotiations - neither the West nor Kiev do not want peace. Kiev by thoughtlessness, and the West - based on their own long-term interests.

Chaos and nothing but chaos

While Ukrainian, and world viewers are distracted by news from the Donbass, the Ukrainian economy convulses. The promised money is not visible: the West has continued to feed Kiev with promises about lending for the second month. The hryvnia depreciates, the National Bank does not have the resources to keep its course. Attempts to fill the treasury end only aggravating the already catastrophic situation. So, drugs have already risen in price for 50 – 70%, prices for imported goods and fuel (mainly imported) have soared, utility tariffs have become very heavy for the population. In fact, most of the population of the republic is rapidly losing its meager savings and in the coming months will be below the poverty line.

In general, compared with January – March 2013, industrial production in Ukraine fell by 5%, and in the Donbas, which became the center of a popular uprising, the decline amounted to 13% (it should be noted that the uprising was not the cause of this decline, but its consequence). Ammonia and steel production decreased by 25 and 12%, respectively, coal production decreased by almost 9%. Even the production of vodka, an affordable and legal antidepressant, has fallen by half.

And this is just the beginning. In May, chemical plants owned by oligarch Dmitry Firtash may be suspended. Total 4 plants (Severodonetsk, Gorlovka, Cherkasy, Rivne), each of them works from 4 to 9 thousands of employees. This is not only a serious blow to local budgets and households. The chemical industry is one of the currency suppliers. That is, the chemical industry paralysis creates additional pressure on the hryvnia exchange rate.

The fall of industrial production could not affect the energy sector. Because of the reduction in energy consumption, we had to disconnect from the grid one reactor at the Rivne and South Ukraine NPPs.

Thus, a social explosion is inevitable and will occur even faster than previously thought. The West and Kiev, which is under its control, cannot realize this fact. Consequently, they are quite satisfied with this situation. The US needs to turn Ukraine into a platform for self-sustaining chaos, with its shortest export to the territory of Russia. The European Union, judging by its policy, decided to commit an act of suicide.

Based on the foregoing, the aggravation of the situation is inevitable, since:

1. Corresponds to the US strategic goals of disrupting Eurasian integration.

2. Allows the putschists to stay in power, albeit with the loss of some regions.

3. Plunges Ukraine into a full bloody civil war.

4. It leaves Russia no choice and draws it into the flames of the Ukrainian civil war.

Thus, the Russian Federation once again leaves no choice and does not provide space for maneuver.

With such a development of events, Moscow will have no other way than to use the troops to restore elementary order in the territory of Ukraine. It seems that it is already impossible to keep Ukraine united, it is too late to conduct federalization, especially since no one except Russia and the insurgent regions accepts it. The split line between the Russian-speaking and Ukrainian-speaking regions is becoming so wide that it cannot be overcome.

So, Russia was once again drawn into the inevitable war on its borders. The war is not with regular units, but with sabotage groups, criminals and militants. Ukraine is being turned into the European equivalent of Somalia.

And since ignoring the “invitation” to war will not work, then there is only one way out - to accept it and win.
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  1. Validator
    Validator April 25 2014 14: 15
    +20
    The head of the ATO ukrov Krutov said that in Kramatorsk a sniper detonated a helicopter, shot in a gas tank
    Guerrilla war in action.
    1. VengefulRat
      VengefulRat April 25 2014 14: 16
      +13
      Ammunition seemed to be loaded into a turntable. Although xs, the media, as usual, lie and come up with.
      1. GDP
        GDP April 25 2014 14: 33
        +48
        One hundred percent the reason is the same as with the burnt tanks, the deterioration of equipment and failure to observe safety precautions, a sniper shot down a helicopter ?! What nonsense!
        The main enemy of the Ukrainian army is herself ...
        1. Duke
          Duke April 25 2014 14: 39
          +9
          Quote: GDP
          The main enemy of the Ukrainian army is herself ...

          I agree with you completely.
        2. Validator
          Validator April 25 2014 15: 40
          +4
          Quote: GDP
          about percent, the reason is the same as with burnt tanks, worn-out equipment and not observing safety precautions, a sniper shot down a helicopter ?! What nonsense!
          The main enemy of the Ukrainian army is herself ...

          Yes, most likely. I wrote that the Ukrainians said about the sniper who shot at the gas tank. it is more profitable for them
        3. mamont5
          mamont5 April 25 2014 17: 38
          +1
          Quote: GDP
          The main enemy of the Ukrainian army is herself ...

          In-in, the more they touch the technique, the more it breaks down. They are told that matches for children are not a toy.
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      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 April 25 2014 14: 22
        +13
        Quote: Validator
        Burnt helicopter

        Tracer? request It’s somehow fantastic! I stood on warm-up, got a bullet in the tank, burned out !!! I suppose they themselves again fooled what
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic April 25 2014 14: 32
          +10
          Yeah! Semi-empty tanks, excess kerosene vapor, faulty pump ... Damn Moscalsky tracer ...

          How did everything fit together perfectly?
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 April 25 2014 14: 39
            +8
            Quote: Old Cynic
            Yeah! Semi-empty tanks, excess kerosene vapor, faulty pump ... Damn Moscalsky tracer ...

            How did everything fit together perfectly?


            Yes, also AN-2 suffered which was standing next to it !!! laughing If the Americans promise Ukraine the technology, then by the evening my heart feels that half of the entire flying and not so much park will burn from mNXXcal bullets !!! laughing
          2. grog_bm
            grog_bm April 25 2014 16: 02
            +8
            not yet added GDP, he shot
            1. jjj
              jjj April 25 2014 17: 04
              +2
              Quote: grog_bm
              not yet added GDP, he shot

              Type flew on a spring hunt. It is clear what Russian helicopters that violated the border, the Ukrainian authorities said
          3. Cynic
            Cynic April 25 2014 17: 25
            +4
            Quote: Old Cynic
            Damn Moscalsky tracer ...

            Caliber 12.7 mm!
            Probably seen and impressed _
          4. staryivoin
            staryivoin April 25 2014 18: 17
            0
            That nehai burn with a blue flame!
            Then the Washington Regional Committee of Volens Nolens will have to give them equipment, the heavy equipment has already moved from military bases to the east coast of the mattress republic. You just look and the turntables will be drawn, just what kind of Ukrainian guys will be circling the mattress aircraft over Ukraine, or, as in the "Matrix", the course of driving by introducing the CHIPA into the brain.
            More crashes of zholtoblakitnoy country crashes to the laughter of the entire Geyropa!
            From that will be the CIRCUS !!!
          5. staryivoin
            staryivoin April 25 2014 18: 17
            0
            That nehai burn with a blue flame!
            Then the Washington Regional Committee of Volens Nolens will have to give them equipment, the heavy equipment has already moved from military bases to the east coast of the mattress republic. You just look and the turntables will be drawn, just what kind of Ukrainian guys will be circling the mattress aircraft over Ukraine, or, as in the "Matrix", the course of driving by introducing the CHIPA into the brain.
            More crashes of zholtoblakitnoy country crashes to the laughter of the entire Geyropa!
            From that will be the CIRCUS !!!
        2. made13
          made13 April 25 2014 14: 32
          +9
          I agree, nonsense! Pravosekia just needs to cover up the low qualifications of its "army". Suffice it to recall the burnt-out tanks ...
    3. Validator
      Validator April 25 2014 14: 20
      +4

      Helicopter explosion
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 April 25 2014 14: 39
        +9
        Quote: Validator
        Helicopter explosion

        In general, I don't care about the mentality of the Slavs: the doctor of historical sciences would have been running around and panicking for a long time. Police, ambulance, psychological assistance .... And the Slavs, so to speak, "knee-deep" - stand, make fun of, swear))) These people cannot be defeated !!
        1. nahalenok911
          nahalenok911 April 25 2014 19: 42
          0
          Quote: Corsair0304
          And the Slavs, so to speak, "knee-deep" - stand, kidding, swearing))) These people cannot be defeated !!


          One hundred pounds !!! bully
    4. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic April 25 2014 14: 20
      +6
      This is how he contrived?
      Then he is not a sniper, but a miner!
      1. Predator
        Predator April 25 2014 15: 03
        +8
        What a miner ?! A technician with a burning cigarette in the neck of the tank looked in to see how much fuel is left! The fuel gauge was already sold a year ago!
        1. jjj
          jjj April 25 2014 17: 07
          +2
          Fuel shows the instrument in the cab. Opening the neck of the tank, you will not see anything. But in the morning, pouring fuel from a sump into a glass jar to check for the absence of water droplets and suspended particles is a direct responsibility
    5. Validator
      Validator April 25 2014 14: 22
      +46
      And in Odessa there is its own partisanism - today a grenade was thrown into the right-wing block-post, seven wounded. In the city, branches of Privat Bank of Pan Kalomoysky began to burn
      1. Anper
        Anper April 25 2014 16: 28
        +8
        From folklore:
        "The incantation of Bandera - pravosek".

        As I die, bury on the Maidan dear,
        In the midst of the burnt wheels dig a grave
        To lay me in a garbage can, under mighty shit,
        To smell like it stinks of a dunghill.
        And when from the fields of Ukraine Ukrainians are frail
        Bear a blizzard, then I get up from the grave -
        I will rise as a formidable wail, a demon of discord,
        My eyelids will be lifted, clicking the shutter.
        Bury and get up, # tear up experiences,
        Sprinkle the earth with our evil diarrhea.
        And me in a family of freaks runaway from a madhouse
        Do not forget - mark with an indecent word.
      2. nahalenok911
        nahalenok911 April 25 2014 19: 45
        0
        God give you guys! God grant ...
    6. johnsnz
      johnsnz April 25 2014 14: 26
      +1
      Indeed: http://www.interfax.ru/world/373800
      1. Horn
        Horn April 26 2014 07: 11
        0
        Quote: johnsnz
        Indeed: http://www.interfax.ru/world/373800

        - Nude! Either a sniper with one shot, then a group with six, then ATGMs ... But why not the S-400? Bloody Putin? In the company of Lavrov, Churkin and Shoigu burned nobody useless helicopter to fuck anyone?
    7. vezunchik
      vezunchik April 25 2014 14: 29
      +1
      “At the airport in Kramatorsk, a helicopter in the parking lot was fired with a single sniper shot. The shot was fired in a fuel tank, which resulted in an explosion. The crew commander was injured, ”he said at a briefing on Friday, adding that at the moment there is a danger of undermining the ammunition that is in the helicopter.

      “The operational headquarters is now in place and is dealing with this issue not only from the point of view of localizing this focus, but also with a number of operational-search measures,” the head of the anti-terrorist center added.

      Earlier on Fridays, it became known that explosions and gunfire were heard at the airfield in Kramatorsk. It was assumed that there was a real battle between the Ukrainian military and militias from the east of the country. The airfield was previously controlled by the Ukrainian military.

      It was also noted that, according to preliminary information, the militia killed one of the armored personnel carriers located there. Information about the victims and victims has not yet been reported.
    8. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic April 25 2014 14: 29
      +3
      The Mi-8 helicopter exploded at an airfield in Kramatorsk (Donetsk region), the Kramatorsk website said. Info. Around 11:00, several violent explosions were heard in the area of ​​the civil airport in Kramatorsk, after which a strong fire and smoke began. According to some reports, the helicopter and ammunition are on fire, the report said.

      Meanwhile, Dmitry Tymchuk, head of the Center for Military-Political Studies, coordinator of the Information Resistance group, said at a briefing in Kiev: “Information has been received: the Mi-8 helicopter exploded at an airfield in Kramatorsk. The preliminary version is shelling during the warm-up of the helicopter before takeoff. ”

      According to him, the commander managed to jump out of the helicopter before the explosion.



      Crany Rambler.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir April 25 2014 17: 06
        +2
        According to him, the commander managed to jump out of the helicopter before the explosion.

        Hedgehog it is clear that after the explosion he would not be able to jump out.
        BUT, it is more strange how he managed to jump BEFORE hitting a sniper bullet?
        The helicopter warms up, then the commander jumps out, then the sniper shoots, at the one who jumped out, but gets into the gas tank.
        Without a pint, you won’t understand, but I don’t drink.
        1. nahalenok911
          nahalenok911 April 25 2014 19: 51
          0
          Wow!!! does not drink !!!! soldier
    9. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 April 25 2014 14: 32
      +8
      And there is nothing to fly over Slavyansk, to awaken and irritate civilians. Be quieter - you will livelier.
    10. Validator
      Validator April 25 2014 14: 36
      +29
      Worthy grandchildren of heroic grandfathers
    11. xenod55
      xenod55 April 25 2014 15: 04
      +2
      These, as always, want to blame everything on the "green men". They cannot think of anything else. Soon their entire equipment will either burn out or die by itself. And there will be further n .... it will help.
    12. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 25 2014 15: 10
      +3
      Quote: Validator
      sniper helicopter detonated, shot in a gas tank

      How many Mythbusters have been shooting at gas tanks - it doesn't explode and that's it! What did this sniper shoot from, except from a grenade launcher? By the way, the helicopters are fueled with kerosene.
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 April 25 2014 17: 05
        0
        .... Militias announced the hit from an RPG ....
      2. jjj
        jjj April 25 2014 17: 09
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        By the way, helicopters run kerosene.

        TS-1
    13. True
      True April 25 2014 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: Validator
      sniper helicopter detonated, shot in a gas tank
      belay
    14. Validator
      Validator April 25 2014 16: 05
      +3

      Head of Kramamtor Airport about the explosion. He’s lying like breathing
    15. maximus235
      maximus235 April 25 2014 16: 09
      +1
      This is just another fake information war. This helicopter was shot down in Syria screaming "Allahu Akbar"
      Related Information: http://odessa-antimaydan.com/pod-kramatorskom-sbit-vertolet-bashara-asada/
    16. ispaniard
      ispaniard April 25 2014 16: 16
      +4
      I hope the blown up turntable in Kromatorsk was loaded to the brim with "BlackWater" sheep, if that's the case, then GO .. I don't mind laughing
    17. Validator
      Validator April 25 2014 16: 24
      +7
      Many experts believe that a social revolution is also taking place in the southeast of Ukraine
    18. VNP1958PVN
      VNP1958PVN April 25 2014 16: 27
      0
      Gasoline helicopter? Was flying
    19. jjj
      jjj April 25 2014 17: 02
      0
      Quote: Validator
      sniper helicopter detonated, shot in a gas tank

      Mi-8 helicopters fly not on gasoline, but on kerosene. Burning him with a bullet is not easy. But the grenade will do it well
    20. Cynic
      Cynic April 25 2014 17: 21
      0
      Quote: Validator
      said that in Kramatorsk a sniper detonated a helicopter, shot in a gas tank

      If a person hasn’t digged in military equipment, why duplicate his comments without comment!
      Think _ One sniper shot and the helicopter burned out.
      belay
    21. Columnist
      Columnist April 25 2014 18: 26
      0
      The Anglo-Saxons are promoting another war, in which (according to their concepts, Europe and Russia will program, and they will win)
    22. Horn
      Horn April 26 2014 07: 03
      +1
      Is this aviation kerosene exploded? Rave! There cannot be vapors there, in principle, and kerosene just cannot be ignited. Krutov is an illiterate lie.
  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian April 25 2014 14: 20
    +7
    War comrades, you have to uncover the gun ... the latest news says only that we were dragged into the war again ... THE HISTORY HAS A PLACE TO REPEAT .... 1914 year ....
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 April 25 2014 14: 25
      +6
      HISTORY HAS A PLACE TO REPEAT .... 1914 ..
      Ukraine after Geneva: the West invited Russia to the war
      .......... shaw, again, want a grenade without Vaseline?
    2. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery April 25 2014 15: 51
      0
      Why 1914? I myself love historical analogies, you, as I understand it, with hints of subsequent events? I don’t see such people here.
  3. Just
    Just April 25 2014 14: 21
    +7
    No need to send any troops to Ukraine. Let the Ukrainians themselves pay for their 23-year-old sins. Silent and indulged banderlog? Well, it's time to pay for this silence and inaction. Let Ukraine fall apart. Only after this is it necessary to work with the pro-Russian former parts of Ukraine. It may even be part of Russia, but only after the collapse of Ukraine. But it will definitely fall apart - people will soon have no work and livelihoods. Russia just needs to wait, the junta itself will do everything Russia needs.
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic April 25 2014 14: 24
      +9
      Younger, do you have any relatives there?
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 April 25 2014 14: 35
        +2
        Quote: Old Cynic
        Younger, do you have any relatives there?
        So I wanted to ask. I will not calm down until Tulchin is released.
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic April 25 2014 14: 44
          +6
          And I have a MOM in Donetsk !!! 1939, a child of War ... A DOCTOR ... A "simpleton" calls for disintegration, answers ... Unemployment, impoverishment of people ... Yes, they already have a shitty life there, but THIS is still croaking !!!

          Hey, Muffin! Yes, so that your relatives do not touch all this, what you are calling for in Ukraine!
          Schaub your parents were alive and healthy!
          Got a mooing English duckling?
          1. Horn
            Horn April 26 2014 07: 18
            0
            Your pain is understandable and empathetic. But! Why should my son die for your mother? Remember Yugoslavia? First batch in Transnistria? Here and there, the border is practically only nominal ... I do not want to offend anyone, but "saving the drowning ..." Well, you understand ...
    2. smart Fox
      smart Fox April 25 2014 14: 35
      +6
      It’s good for you to say that, you don’t live there, you won’t build it, how will they continue, after all, there are not all right-handed scumbags, there are children and old people there, mothers are single, how is it now for them to die?
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      2. 97110
        97110 April 25 2014 15: 36
        +2
        They are not all Pravosekovskie thugs. My mother-in-law is from near Yaroslavl, but from Kirovsky. Somehow he sits at our table (a few years ago) and says: "In Ukraine, it is good, small and medium-sized businesses are developing. And you are eating up petrodollars and hoping for your Putin." A man lived 70 km from Russia, his children and grandchildren lived in Russia, he used to go doggling with local zapadentsy and then. And there are also enough natural Westerners there. The forest brothers who had served their time settled not in the west, but in the Donbass - for re-education. Under Janek, mines revived a little, roads began to be made. Who! The miners who left for Russia did not return. So, not all of them are right. But not everyone is ripe for understanding that the RA is not an aggressor.
        I understand who has relatives there, especially if the mother. Like forty frozen poop I pounded my wife and her sister to take my mother here. Fools too. Now my mother is in Rostov. And what, it was not clear where the events were heading? Unfortunately, until their life presses down, they will not understand what's what. And it is better to let them pay with their lives, not our soldiers. You are your relatives, which is not a fact that they want to play "Putler" (and they don't say that?), How many Russian soldiers are you willing to change per soul?
        1. smart Fox
          smart Fox April 25 2014 18: 47
          +2
          But I don’t want this war at all. nor big. not a little one. I also understand that the pravoseks were not thrown off Mars. their mothers also raised them, whom did they just raise? everything is complicated there now. But I don’t want our guys to die there in the name of their fucking Eurointegration. Let them rake themselves up, because what Russia does not do, everything will be wrong!
    3. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 25 2014 14: 40
      +4
      If this rot is not removed now it will creep to us + PEOPLE, although inert but they are for the most part OUR !!!
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    5. 97110
      97110 April 25 2014 15: 16
      +12
      I agree completely. I went there to my mother-in-law until I gave birth to my son, so often that the customs (Uspenka) were already recognized. So I care. Only today in Rostov at the bus station an old grandfather from Zaporozhye: "The Russians are to blame for everything." And why did you come to Russia - that's how they shoot there. Grandfather!!!. And what about the young people? It's too early to enter the army, calm down. If you are especially impatient, do it as a volunteer. Until you overcome the border, you look and learn to crawl.
  4. pensioner
    pensioner April 25 2014 14: 21
    +8
    Quote: VengefulRat
    Ammunition seemed to be loaded into a turntable. Although xs, the media, as usual, lie and come up with.

    Whatever the media came up with, the fact is clear: the paragraph is a helicopter. If this is the result of an attack by supporters of federalization, then in general: well done. We look forward to continuing. Good luck guys! Take care of yourself.
    1. VengefulRat
      VengefulRat April 25 2014 14: 28
      +4
      Wow))) The army of the outskirts is losing, even without military operations. A spinner was added to the self-propelled gun, burned tanks and crashed planes. Well, you still have to be able to do so: for 23, the legacy from the Soviet army is about ... well, everyone understood smile
      And the junta is preparing to fight with Russia. At this pace, they won't have a damn thing from technology.
      1. avt
        avt April 25 2014 14: 57
        +6
        Quote: VengefulRat
        And the junta is preparing to fight with Russia. At this pace, they won't have a damn thing from technology.

        And not just getting ready! I read on another resource here - they started using tectonic weapons! Moreover, the first application was very successful and Russia had to pay for it. The secret is as follows - at once they begin to jump with a shout, “He who doesn’t jump, is the one!” As a result of the first use in Kiev and the zapadency, Crimea fell off! We look forward to the next blow with impatience.
        1. Akulina
          Akulina April 25 2014 15: 17
          +14
          Something is not funny to me at all. If there is a war, then not Russia and Ukraine, but Russia and NATO (that is, with America - the devil would have taken it all.) And then the local battles will not do. I am very sorry for the old parents and single mothers in Ukraine, but I also have old parents (by the way children who survived the war in the occupation) - will I have to sit with them in a bomb shelter too? And to friends and relatives, funerals from the front will come ... Yes, after that I will hate Ukraine all my life ... What did they endure for 23 years when their children were brainwashed ...
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 April 25 2014 17: 13
            +2
            .... Yes, there will be no Russia-NATO war .... As long as Raseya has "Kuzkina's mother", you can sleep well .... After all, they have something to lose, and more than us ... They have their own wealth, the standard of living, punishment, houses (which is much higher than ours), oh, how they do not want to lose overnight, and even die because of Vuikaina too .... yes, and shit..sya ..... As a result, this shit formation of Vuikain will be merged ...
      2. tolyasik0577
        tolyasik0577 April 25 2014 15: 07
        +3
        they will attack, quickly grab a meal and immediately retreat)))
        1. asar
          asar April 25 2014 16: 45
          +1
          Fat to them with a snowstorm!
    2. not main
      not main April 25 2014 18: 22
      +1
      Quote: retired
      the fact is clear: the helicopter paragraph. If this is the result of an attack by supporters of federalization, then in general: well done

      What nah ... n attack? Simple TB violation! And a reason to blame the "separatists" for this!
  5. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 25 2014 14: 22
    0
    You jump! For a long time did not receive snot?
  6. Alexgs
    Alexgs April 25 2014 14: 22
    +1
    Yes ... brewed porridge.
  7. 0603
    0603 April 25 2014 14: 24
    +3
    This is a photo from Chechnya, here

    http://www.porjati.net/tragedies/page,1,3,6994-katastrofa-mi-26-v-chechne-19-avg
    usta-2002-goda.html
  8. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 25 2014 14: 26
    +4
    It is necessary to somehow somehow expedite the flow of news to cover the Russians. Partially nonsense, partly demagogy are carried on the TV to get the air on and they constantly repeat yesterday’s news, which is very confusing for people. Rusvesna and other sites also do not post information promptly, it is necessary to collect information in parts. Webcams go out at the right time, it’s necessary here to somehow collect Old radio frequencies http://77.37.166.11:8901/
  9. mig31
    mig31 April 25 2014 14: 29
    +2
    Europe has set up enough bomb shelters? Is there enough for everyone? ...
  10. Gxash
    Gxash April 25 2014 14: 32
    +2
    I would send several special forces to the east of Ukraine to conduct sabotage operations aimed at eliminating the possibility of active military operations of the junta against the self-defense forces of the DPR and other pro-Russian regions of Ukraine. Transfer is possible under the guise of citizens of Ukraine (with passports and other regalia) or generally secretly.
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic April 25 2014 14: 39
      +3
      Would you like to provoke? Or just rave? No?
      Then translate your phrase into Russian:
      aimed at destroying the possibility of active military operations of the junta against the self-defense forces of the DPR and other pro-Russian regions of Ukraine


      How can you "destroy the opportunity"? When did you take the exam? "Active military operations" is generally a masterpiece. The letters "E" and "X" in QWERTY-keyboards are located on different sides: the first on the left, the second on the right ...
      1. Gxash
        Gxash April 25 2014 15: 59
        +2
        In other words, that there was no opportunity to fight at the junta. That the equipment did not go, that helicopters did not take off, etc.

        Are nit-picking important?
        And thank God, I did not pass the exam, this fate passed me, I finished school much earlier.
    2. creak
      creak April 25 2014 15: 21
      +1
      But what about going to Ukraine yourself under the guise of a citizen of Ukraine (with a passport and regalia) or even stealthily and trying to destroy the possibility of military operations? Try it, but it will turn out if the airsoft is already tired ...
      1. Gxash
        Gxash April 25 2014 16: 01
        +1
        I would be for it, if Motherland calls ... Only it is a pity that there is no experience in conducting sabotage operations and no one has taught this. But there is experience in command of a platoon of automobile troops. And with the AK-74 was not bad at the time.
  11. homosum20
    homosum20 April 25 2014 14: 32
    +3
    It’s still necessary to take Novorossia, it’s better with the whole industry (including nuclear power plants) and living people.
    What are we waiting for?
    1. Poppy
      Poppy April 25 2014 14: 42
      +9
      waiting for a good moment, as with the Crimea
      never need to hurry ahead of time, if we now send troops, we will be accused of all sins, even stronger than now

      cynical as it may seem, but you have to wait for a lot of blood
      1. wax
        wax April 25 2014 16: 28
        +1
        There may not be much blood, if the people come out and say their weighty word against the junta. A general strike in all of New Russia is quite enough for a radical change in the situation.
    2. smart Fox
      smart Fox April 25 2014 18: 51
      0
      Let's buy it better, and write off the debts of Ukram for gas
  12. vowa48
    vowa48 April 25 2014 14: 33
    +4
    HA HA !!! insanity grows stronger or completely brains flowed!
    Ukraine can resist Russia. This was stated by Arseniy Yatsenyuk during a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers.

    He accused official Moscow of non-compliance with the Geneva agreements and an attempt to unleash a third world war.

    Like, all the actions of the northeast neighbor are aimed at establishing control over Ukraine, including one of the tasks of Russia - the destruction, quote, - of the pro-Ukrainian and pro-European authorities.
  13. novel68rus
    novel68rus April 25 2014 14: 34
    0
    competently on the turntable hit ... tracer probably in the tank. not otherwise
    1. vowa48
      vowa48 April 25 2014 14: 50
      +9
      Mi-8 in the tank is not a daddy tracer! the tank in the cabin and the bullet will fly apart on the casing, and the kerasin DOES NOT light up in the tank, in Avgan and the Czech Republic MI-8 was simply solved and the tanks were flashing they did not burn!
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      2. alexng
        alexng April 25 2014 15: 33
        0
        Somewhere infa slipped that shot from an RPG crumbled turntable.
        Yeah, I found another link
        http://news.mail.ru/politics/17981027/?frommail=1
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 25 2014 15: 51
        +1
        Quote: vowa48
        tank in the cabin

        The fuel on the Mi-8t helicopter is located in a consumable and two main suspension tanks. The consumable tank is installed in the upper part of the fuselage behind the gear compartment, and the outboard fuel tanks are mounted using three or four steel bands on the outside at the sides of the fuselage.



        To increase the range and duration of a helicopter flight, one or two additional fuel tanks can be installed in the cockpit of the central part of the fuselage. To increase the combat survivability of the machine, this helicopter is equipped with:

        - Protected outboard fuel tanks;
        - fuel tanks with polyurethane foam aggregate.
      4. aleks 62
        aleks 62 April 25 2014 17: 17
        0
        ... Mi-8 has tanks outside in boulevards ... An additional tank is placed in the cabin (sometimes) .... And duralumin casing easily breaks through right through (draft) ...
    2. thinker
      thinker April 25 2014 15: 16
      +3
      “Our fighters approached the airfield, shot from an RPG in the direction of the helicopter that was on the field. There was an explosion. The servicemen began to shoot at us with machine guns, ours retreated, ”a spokesman for the RIA Novosti militia said.

      Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/29339#ixzz2ztapZJ00
      1. jjj
        jjj April 25 2014 17: 16
        0
        As they say, with an initiative. Burn helicopters, burn APCs. The war will end before it starts
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  15. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time April 25 2014 14: 43
    +3
    In a non-combat setting, combat losses again.
  16. Strashila
    Strashila April 25 2014 14: 46
    +1
    Negotiations in Geneva ... an attempt by the West to give the appearance of legitimacy to the Kiev junta ... no more than that.
  17. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 April 25 2014 14: 46
    +1
    Invited - come. Only the West has forgotten that guerrilla warfare and sabotage war are a mutual thing unlimited by any borders. So Europe is also close ... It is a pity only for ordinary hard workers, who are now making ends meet, and so they can’t make it.
    1. 97110
      97110 April 25 2014 15: 58
      0
      They fought for this when they wanted to secede from Russia, when they wrote "usyo zyils". But for an alliance with Russia - no. I didn't have enough brains, I really wanted a freebie. It’s there they say: "for free and bleach - cottage cheese."
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  18. podpolkovnik
    podpolkovnik April 25 2014 14: 47
    +3
    I read, and somehow at ease
  19. Ulairy
    Ulairy April 25 2014 14: 48
    +3
    At the same time, Russia is not only demanded to withdraw virtual militants and terrorists from the eastern regions of Ukraine, but also to bear responsibility for the formation of insurgent regions that are not under its control. Otherwise, new sanctions packages will come into force.
    So they started talking ... Well, we can take responsibility for the formation of the rebellious regions. By introducing non-virtual troops there after the announcement of mobilization, bringing strategic bombers and missile carriers into full combat readiness and announcing that now this is "territory controlled by Russia, where the laws of the Russian Federation are in force." Will the udots ever understand that playing "Russian roulette" with the Russians is more expensive for themselves? All Geneva concomitance will perish in the fire if we stop conducting a dialogue and really "introduce" tonsils there (Europe, a cap of a dergy, a cap). am Russia is only talking to you. (Comrade Powers, don't spit.)
  20. podpolkovnik
    podpolkovnik April 25 2014 14: 48
    +13
    Further we read ... (continuation about Lobova) (click on the image)
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 April 25 2014 15: 25
      +5
      Quote: podpolkovnik
      Read on ...

      5 points to you, honor and respect to Lobov. Although I am a child of the Soviet Union, I have not heard of this. I support your opinion that the West needs to think hard about its position. Shoigu - also well done, SUCH MONITOR MONEY to return to active military service - what are the arguments you need to find ?? soldier
  21. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 25 2014 14: 49
    0
    It’s better to give up and wait when the Russian invaders begin to supply gas for free, build enterprises, schools and kindergartens.
  22. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 25 2014 14: 50
    +7
    I offer a test problem for high school students, determine in which photo:
    - Russian occupiers;
    - American peacekeepers;
    - Donetsk separatist terrorists;
    - Ukrainian fighters against terrorists.
    This is based on the point of view of the EU and the USA, the Ukrainian media.
    He showed a picture to his daughters (they are 10 years old), he formulated the questions a little differently. In which of the pictures: Russian soldiers, American soldiers, Donetsk rebels, Ukrainian special forces. Identified unmistakably!
  23. Stavros
    Stavros April 25 2014 14: 50
    0
    God forbid, of course, if something serious begins. But it will be the moment when all the masks are dropped. And we will understand who Russia is really friend and who is the enemy.
    1. asar
      asar April 25 2014 17: 02
      +1
      Friends of Russia - Army and Navy!
  24. Sypress
    Sypress April 25 2014 14: 54
    +4
    Mythbusters proved that the gas tank does not explode from a shot, and moreover, it does not even light up ..
    The junta is lying, however, as usual!
  25. Backrfire
    Backrfire April 25 2014 14: 57
    +1
    It is necessary to supply modern arms systems of the East Army, help them organize and engage in hostilities with these scumbags ... and let them take Kiev, and then the border along the Dnieper. On the other side, the Poles with the Hungarians will quickly come and feed these maydauns for the rest of their lives.
  26. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 April 25 2014 15: 01
    +1
    the West has only one way out, to merge the junta in the elections and choose a person who can, by peaceful means, restore the unity of Ukraine. otherwise, the collapse process will begin. and Russia will have to intervene, to shed both its blood and the blood of the pogans, however, the pogans quickly scatter to their homes and poke their pistils. and the humanitarian problem will have to be solved again by Russia. if only our leaders would not have thought of joining the regions to Russia.
  27. Blondy
    Blondy April 25 2014 15: 02
    +1
    It is interesting how a kerosene tank "from a sniper's bullet" could explode, kerosene seems to be even specially heated before injection. Was there a Hollywood movie there?
  28. Lumumba
    Lumumba April 25 2014 15: 09
    +1
    Haste is only needed when catching fleas and diarrhea. The main thing is not to succumb to the provocation of Bandera and wait
  29. mackonya
    mackonya April 25 2014 15: 09
    +1
    Strange, I thought that the fuel tanks were filled with carbon dioxide and protected from the inside by protection. Well, outside are usually armored, if it's a combat helicopter. In general, some kind of mysticism.
  30. Turk
    Turk April 25 2014 15: 13
    +3
    Quote: VengefulRat
    And the junta is preparing to fight with Russia. At this pace, they won't have a damn thing from technology.

    Well, let them play a little on the same ...
  31. Yuri Sev Caucasus
    Yuri Sev Caucasus April 25 2014 15: 17
    +2
    Yes, which sniper with RPGs fired on mile
  32. GRune
    GRune April 25 2014 15: 18
    0
    The conclusion from the article is simple - Everything is bad!
  33. ed65b
    ed65b April 25 2014 15: 18
    +3
    No regular parts. only support with light weapons, finances and trainers. Ukrainians themselves will restore order, there is someone to fight. But heavy equipment will have to capture. By aviation, supply MANPADS. Everything else will be done without us.
  34. Pitman
    Pitman April 25 2014 15: 22
    +3
    All is not good !!! Amerikosov noticed movement of heavy military equipment, on echelons to seaports ..... In the process, they do not want to solve the problem peacefully, and if these fears are confirmed, then this will not lead to anything good. This will mean the end of earthly civilization.
  35. Stasi
    Stasi April 25 2014 15: 22
    +4
    Well, if the West leaves us no choice but to accept the challenge, then we will accept it. As Blok says there: "And if not, we have nothing to lose, and treachery is available to us. For centuries, centuries you will be cursed by the sick later offspring." And from the same place, to the Europeans: "But from now on we ourselves are not a shield for you. From now on we will not enter the battle ourselves. We will see how mortal combat rages with our narrow eyes. We will not move when the fierce Hun fumbles in the pockets of corpses. Burn cities. and drive the herd to the church and fry the meat of the white brothers. " We will come and protect our brothers, and if the West wants to fight, which I doubt because the West is cowardly by nature, then let it try. As the saying goes, life is not dear to us, and by the grace of the enemy, we disdain.
    1. asar
      asar April 25 2014 17: 05
      0
      It's like that! Everything seems to be correct! But Russia is tired of meeting the cargo "200", and "300" !!!
  36. vowa48
    vowa48 April 25 2014 15: 30
    +4
    Ukrainians soaked! good
    Helicopter in Kramatorsk was blown up by Russian mercenary "Babai"
    A helicopter at the airport in Kramatorsk was blown up by a Russian mercenary nicknamed "Babai" from a grenade launcher. An eyewitness told OstroV about this. wassat
    http://www.unian.net/politics/911693-vertolet-v-kramatorske-podorval-rossiyskiy-
    naemnik-babay-ochevidets.html
    1. Warlock_r
      Warlock_r April 25 2014 16: 01
      +1
      Ay Babai, everyone is afraid of him,
      Though he didn't hurt anyone
      Ay Babai, anything can happen
      You, just in case, leave ....
      (c) Iwashi
      1. 311ove
        311ove April 25 2014 17: 25
        0
        good Yeah, Babaem still in a happy childhood near Poltava about 45 years ago, my Grandmother scared ...... Schaub heard ... repeat
  37. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx April 25 2014 15: 47
    +2
    All that is written about is very sad. And for Russia it creates problems above nowhere.
    1. 97110
      97110 April 25 2014 16: 33
      0
      I don’t think so. This no longer sounds like news to them - they said long ago that "the Russians are coming."
      1. asar
        asar April 25 2014 17: 07
        +1
        The Russians are coming for decades! Right up to the States "got" in due time, even one jumped from the window!
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    3. asar
      asar April 25 2014 17: 09
      0
      Let's think about what is the GDP now! What a difficult question he is facing now!
  38. gfhjkm
    gfhjkm April 25 2014 15: 55
    +1
    Helicopter in Kramatorsk was blown up by Russian mercenary "Babai"

    If there were more such Babaevs and from the Ukrainian air force, only horns and legs would remain. lol
  39. Fish supervision
    Fish supervision April 25 2014 16: 01
    +2
    Quote: Old Cynic
    This is how he contrived?
    Then he is not a sniper, but a miner!

    The sniper did not have the SVSka but the SVMka, shoots with mines. fellow
  40. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 25 2014 16: 02
    -1
    Nothing will stop the Ukrainian collapse. Russia at the moment needs to act quickly and decisively, if it comes to sending troops, so that no one even has time to jerk.
  41. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 25 2014 16: 03
    +1
    Something is happening .. (and blood is pouring ..)
  42. 1536
    1536 April 25 2014 16: 17
    0
    Nevertheless, a bad world is better than a good quarrel. The war begins in the minds and then passes onto the battlefields. Here I read the information that so far our government has not resolved the situation with the state defense order for this year, and because if something happens, there is nothing to issue the S-300, 400 and 500 air defense systems. I thicken the colors, but still the situation is alarming. If you look at all the wars that the Americans unleashed in recent years, you get the picture that they attacked countries that they didn’t like, completely unafraid that these countries could respond to them and transfer the wars to the states. That is, they acted with complete impunity. We need to say right away that the first attack on our citizens, our ships or ships located in the neutral or territorial waters of third countries will be regarded as aggression and an immediate response will be given, moreover, on the territory of the enemy. No need to use nuclear weapons, it is a pity for people, conventional weapons are enough. The main thing is to use them, and not wait for the decisions of the UN and other instances, bought at the root of the fascist top of the enemy country.
    1. Deff
      Deff April 25 2014 17: 08
      0
      1. An informational counterattack of Russia in the central Western media with explanations "Who wants what and what and how to solve the problem" can turn the electorate of Europe over to its side. The impending re-elections in Europe can displace the assholes of politicians, make them listen to public opinion!

      2. At the same time, to voice the reciprocal transfer of the economic impact of anti-Russian sanctions on the cost of energy for Europe and the phased displacement of American companies from the Russian energy market (Northern Shelf)

      3. To prepare financially and legally the idea of ​​prepayment for gas for the EU (as well as for Ukraine), as insurance against sanctioned anti-Russian measures.

      Оригинал статьи: http://russian.rt.com/article/29246#ixzz2zu3I6U2L
  43. Fish supervision
    Fish supervision April 25 2014 16: 19
    +3
    Quote: homosum20
    It’s still necessary to take Novorossia, it’s better with the whole industry (including nuclear power plants) and living people.
    What are we waiting for?

    Do not run ahead of the engine and do not run away from the sniper - there won’t be any sense, just die tired. Judging by the latest cases, we have superanalysts, when the time comes, everything will be a bunch hi
  44. mainu
    mainu April 25 2014 16: 29
    +1
    The European Union, judging by its policies, has decided to commit an act of suicide
    .
    Unfortunately, it is true. The idea of ​​the inevitability of World War 3 begins to be introduced into the brains of the population. Moreover, I don’t need to explain who is responsible.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 25 2014 17: 43
      +1
      So Yusovtsy decided otherwise not to save themselves.
      But why is this Europe?
      Did the memory disappear that in the Russian military doctrine the preventive use of nuclear weapons is spelled out now?
      Met statements _ It is a pity in the 90s did not clash, now we would have canceled the card. And it wouldn’t be heard about these!
  45. wax
    wax April 25 2014 16: 42
    +1
    A dying adder does not have to rush to grab by the throat.
  46. santush
    santush April 25 2014 16: 52
    0
    Go Russia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  47. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 April 25 2014 17: 26
    0
    Well, hehr with them ...

    Russian toilet paper
  48. Makyr
    Makyr April 25 2014 17: 30
    +1
    There is an American show on DISCOVERY "Mythbusters". So, they checked the possibility of a car explosion when a gas tank was shot through - full, partially filled and empty. They fired a shitload of bullets. Gasoline has run out.
    Another case in the army of Ukraine, when the malfunction of technology is attributed to malice.
    I am still amazed why they are silent about Russian saboteurs, who for 20 years in a row incapacitated Ukrainian tanks, armored personnel carriers and vehicles of the Ukrainian army in Crimea.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 26 2014 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Macyr
      I am still amazed why they are silent about Russian saboteurs, who for 20 years in a row incapacitated Ukrainian tanks, armored personnel carriers and vehicles of the Ukrainian army in Crimea.

      About Crimea about airplanes was _
      They were like new before the capture, and then they were brutally ruined by cutting down the cable for color!
  49. Case48
    Case48 April 25 2014 17: 33
    0
    Quote: Validator
    The head of the ATO ukrov Krutov said that in Kramatorsk a sniper detonated a helicopter, shot in a gas tank
    Guerrilla war in action.

    This is the Ghost-he in the Strelka sniper group laughing
  50. mamont5
    mamont5 April 25 2014 17: 39
    0
    "The European Union, judging by its policy, has decided to commit an act of suicide."

    Europe has something to do with the darkening of the brain. After all, it will burp even more, and they are not used to difficulties.