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Combat knives: weapon or tool?

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Combat knives: weapon or tool?



One of the important elements of the combat equipment of a modern soldier is a knife. And although now his role in the battle is small, in the era of local wars, he acquired a new function - he became a universal survival tool for fighters of small maneuverable groups operating in isolation from supply bases in difficult climatic conditions.

Even during the Vietnam War, American troops unexpectedly found out that their equipment, firearms weapon and even knives are poorly suited to local conditions. A similar problem faced the Soviet army during the war in Afghanistan. The role of the main combat knife in it was performed by a bayonet, the design of which was unsuccessful. Generally speaking, attempts to create universal weapons are rarely successful. A knife and a bayonet have different tasks, and solving them requires different constructive approaches.

The bayonet is mounted on the weapon. In this case, the strike is inflicted with two hands; both the body mass of the fighter and the mass of the weapon itself participate. With such a blow, the blade enters the target deeply, if it is well sharpened, then, in addition to damage to the cutting edge when in contact with the bones, it can also become stuck in the tendons. Therefore, strange as it may seem, the bayonet should not be too sharp. An example of a successful design is the bayonet to the SKS karabiner. But for a knife, a dull cutting edge is a serious drawback. The desire to turn a bayonet into a universal tool reduces its reliability and reduces the combat characteristics of the weapon. The closer the knife to the tool, the less it is suitable for combat, and vice versa. Therefore, when developing a new combat knife, it is always important to understand which qualities are preferable.


HP-2 - Army Knife Scout. Near pencil case


The development of the combat knife ideology as a universal tool led to a passion for survival knives.

In particular, the Basurmanin knife was adopted by the Russian army. It is a hybrid of the Aitor Jungle-2 knife and the HP-2 knife. "Elf" is another design used by the GRU special forces. Both samples are similar, but the first one is more knife-tool, and the second one is closer to the combat knife. Despite the fact that "Basurmanin" and "Elf" adopted for use, use them in small quantities. So, "Basurmanin" was cumbersome, heavy and expensive, on its basis began to produce a commercial model. Now it is supplied as a survival knife for border guards who serve in regions with difficult climatic conditions. But even in such twisted models, the functions of the weapon and the tool are not fully combined. The easiest way to separate these functions. And use a combat knife complete with a small multifunctional knife. The latter is usually foldable. An example is the famous Swiss army knives.

Another approach is possible. The Polish Army developed an interesting folding knife, still used in special forces. His blade has dimensions sufficient for combat use, and in addition, the knife has high instrumental saturation. He came out quite powerful, and for this he had to pay more weight. The Poles themselves call it the first “Tul”, which appeared much earlier than the development of Lazermann. However, he did not have pliers, so this question is quite controversial.

The appearance of the bodies largely solved the problem of an auxiliary knife, but civilian models lacked strength and combat capabilities. Special army versions began to appear; they differed from civilians in black coating and the presence of a swage for detonators. Their plus is low weight, small size and not too high price, because the base is a serial civilian model. In Russia, too, army versions of such tools with advanced combat capabilities began to appear, because no one has canceled such use of the product. And this immediately imposes restrictions on the dimensions of the blade. It can not be less than 90 mm, and it is better if it is larger than 100 mm, with a solid width and thickness. But for the classic Lazerman scheme the blade of such length does not fit. Attempts to perform an army tool, with the required blade dimensions on it, were made at TsNIITOCHMASH. They developed the Crag tool, but it turned out to be too large and heavy. The model has not received further development.


Universal combat knife sapper "Wag-3" company "NOKS"


The company "NOX" commissioned by the FSB has developed a combat knife Sapper "Wag-3", which is officially adopted. This tool is made according to a completely different scheme, which made it possible to increase the length of the blade to 110 mm, with a thickness of 4 mm. The knife was tested on the possibility of combat use and was found fit. His baptism of fire "Wag-3" passed even before official adoption. A prototype was used in the liquidation of Chechen terrorists at the Nord Ost. This product is used by other power structures, such as FSO. “Wag-3” is an optimal instrument in its parameters for use as a city combat knife. Another area of ​​use is the survival knife. But for military use it is too expensive and complicated.

CAPO has attempted to create an army version of the Varan sapper tool. But the resulting sample does not fully suit the military - the blade length is small for combat use. The desire of the developer to create a reliable sturdy tool led to the fact that the knife has large dimensions and excessive weight. And the quality of performance leaves much to be desired.


Bayonet "Bumblebee" company "CAPO"


The already mentioned firm “NOCS”, on its own initiative, developed the Biker mini-tool for civilian use. This lightweight (90 g), very flat (8 mm) tool can be placed on the sheaths of the main combat knife (some Western companies do this by offering the consumer a set of combat knife and a knife tool). The military version of the "Biker" is equipped with a crimp for detonators. But the role of a knife for serious work, he does not fit - small in size. The military needs something like a reduced and simplified version of Wag-3. Therefore, for a promising set of combat equipment issued a technical task for the development of both a combat knife and a folding knife tool. In fact, the military does not seem to know what they want. So, “Wag-3” does not satisfy them in terms of size and weight, but in the technical assignment for a new instrument, figures are given that almost coincide with its parameters. Of course, one cannot but agree that the dimensions and weight should be reduced, but within reasonable limits. For a combat knife, the main criteria were always strength and reliability.


Mini-tul "Biker-2" - the upgraded "Biker"


But back to the bayonet. According to GRAU, in modern combat, the use of the bayonet is so limited that they can be neglected, you just need a good knife. The length of its blade was determined in 170 mm, which is quite a lot, although it corresponds to the parameters of combat knives of Western countries. Such a length, for example, has the knife blade of the American marines "Kabar". Some other parameters have been set, limiting the developers. In the technical assignment, for example, there were two small points that nullified the idea of ​​a simple army knife - this is the placement of nippers on the sheath and the possibility of attachment to the machine gun, independently or through an adapter. These requirements automatically complicate the design of the knife. However, there are several solutions to the problem. The simplest thing is to follow the path of the construction of a conventional bayonet, making a blade, as indicated in the technical assignment, of a dagger type with a one-and-a-half sharpening. Place a ring on the barrel of the machine gun on the guard and a lock button on the handle. The result is the same bayonet, the only difference is the placement of the nippers on the sheath. It was in this traditional way that some companies, such as CAPO, for example, launched the Bumblebee bayonet, very reminiscent of the existing bayonet to AK74.

Another way is to simplify the construction due to the sheath. After all, the placement of the nippers on the sheath turns them into a product, in its complexity almost equivalent to the knife itself. This problem can be solved in different ways. The easiest way is a removable lever that was used on Todorov's knife, which became the ancestor of bayonet knives for Kalashnikov assault rifles. It allows you to get the most simple product. The sheath for such a knife can be made of textile materials such as cordura, and the lever should be placed on the sheath in a special pocket. In this case, on the blade of the knife it is necessary to make a hole for joining with the lever. And it weakens the blade. In addition, the use of the lever is not too convenient. It is not by chance that the lever was simply combined with a scabbard on bayonet knives to the Kalashnikov machine gun. This is also not the most correct way, since the removal of the pliers to the front of the sheath increases the size of the entire product. There is, of course, an interesting solution - to move the nippers up, there they can be placed more compactly. But such a scheme has its drawbacks, the most important of which is the need to fix the pliers in the hole of the blade. To do this in conditions such as low light is problematic. The fastening to the machine is easiest to transfer to the adapter. This will simplify the knife itself, as the attachment to the adapter will not create problems associated with the dimensions of the machine itself. For example, the mount on the trunk already affects the dimensions of the guard, on which it is necessary to place a ring. It is impossible to reduce this dimension, but it goes beyond the parameters specified in the terms of reference. Therefore, the presence of the adapter is preferable to the placement of fasteners on the knife itself. In addition, not every knife such an adapter needs to be attached, because its use is very limited.

After analyzing all these options, the firm "AiR" came to the conclusion that the design of a modern combat knife should look different. The blade can be shortened without problems to 160 mm. This will reduce weight, increase maneuverability and will have virtually no effect on combat or working qualities. They can even be increased by increasing the thickness of the blade. Sharpening one and a half. Differentiated lower edge for cutting, upper for cutting. The front part of the blade is reinforced, for this the upper edge is sharpened in the style of tanto. The blade is made of steel 95X18, hardness 56-58 units. An antiglare treatment of the blade with glass balls has been carried out, which not only reduces the gloss, but also strengthens the outer surface of the metal due to work hardening. There is also a minus of such processing, although it is determined by the customer. The operation reduces corrosion resistance, even when using corrosion-resistant steels. Therefore, it is much more practical to use a similar treatment in combination with a durable antiglare coating - titanium carbide or silicon carbide. Garda is made of the same steel, but its hardness is 45-48 units, which gives the guard good mechanical properties. This is important, since the guard during the operation period has large mechanical loads, for example, when throwing. The knife handle is made of PCB, a durable and resistant to external influences material. There is also an option made of rubber elastron. The choice of material of the handle makes it possible to use the knife in a variety of climatic and geographical conditions. On the handle caused corrugation of two kinds. The lateral ribbing in the front of the handle provides an emphasis for the thumb, which allows for good control of the knife. Next are the longitudinal grooves that serve to drain moisture, if the hand is sweaty or wet. The shape of the handle is not symmetrical, it allows you to touch, by which side the knife is held. On the handle - metal pommel. It can play the role of a hammer, serve to deliver shocking blows and is used as the second fastening element. There is a groove, which includes a cap rubber ring. This mount is usually used for underwater knives, where the reliability of retaining the blade in the sheath is of particular importance. The sheath is made of two parts. The inner part, on which the pliers are located, is made of stainless steel. It is located on the lever pliers. Their design is largely borrowed from the pliers of the knife of the swimmers "Sea Devil", developed by the company "NOX". There is a flathead screwdriver on the sheath nippers. Plastic shells are provided in the sheath to protect the blade from dulling when removed. This is an important issue. For example, in the HP-2 knife in a plastic sheath there is a metal insert that is positioned so that it interacts with the cutting edge of the blade. It is enough to take it out of the scabbard a couple of times, as there is no trace of sharpening. In the new knife, this deficiency is eliminated. The elasticity of the steel sheath is also used to fix the blade itself. For carrying the knife and placing it on the equipment there is a cover made of durable camouflage fabric with a soft lining that prevents the appearance of unmasking noise. On the case there is a pocket for the universal “Splinter” tool and a grinding bar. Loops on the cover allow you to mount it on the various elements of equipment. Loop for fastening on the belt detachable. The liner is fixed on the cover with a protrusion that falls into the opening of the cap pocket. Such fixation is simple and reliable.

It is impossible not to talk about how the development of the knife tool for the Russian army was organized. This procedure was very unusual. The GRAU convened a meeting of manufacturers of cold weapons, issued a technical task and a month for the development and manufacture of samples. The R & D stage was simply laid on the shoulders of manufacturers. Not surprisingly, only three firms submitted real samples. They went to the test. If for an army knife, the problem of ultra-fast development could be solved (with preliminary developments, for example, CAPO simply reworked its “Maple” knife), although all the samples appeared at the very last moment, then with a knife-tool it turned out more difficult. The only claimants - the knives "Wag-3" and "Varan" - in their parameters did not satisfy the military, they needed something in between these samples. The finished model was from the company "NOCS", but its customer was one of the special services. The product received the characteristic name "Vzryvotehnik." Outwardly, it looks like Lazerman products, but only at first glance. This product is a “changeling”.

The biggest trouble with conventional sapper bodies is that the presence of the crimp for detonators reduces the performance of the pliers themselves and their durability. In "Vzryvotehnika" this problem is solved. So, pressing at folded "tula" is located on the pliers from the reverse side. This part of the tool is quite massive and can be used as a hammer. It also has a carbide protrusion for breaking glass, which can serve as a glass cutter. When turning the arms, the pliers themselves “appear”. They are of normal design, but with the presence of interchangeable cutting edges on the nippers. This is a plus, as you can make the pliers themselves more durable and maintainable. If the nippers are part of the pliers, then they should be rolled to high hardness, and this may affect the strength. In the presence of interchangeable cutting elements, the problem is eliminated. Passatizh kalyatsya to hardness, giving optimum strength, and cutting inserts (much greater hardness) with breakage just change. A blade of increased strength is installed in one of the tool handles; with a length of 85 mm, its thickness is 4 mm. You can open it with one hand using the protruding peg. The blade in the open position becomes a rigid retainer. Nearby is a universal holder. It is possible to fix a replaceable saw from the electric jigsaw, which expands the possibilities of the tool, as the saws can be very different. Damaged during work file just replaced with a new one. In the holder can also be installed and a special blade for fine work. It is made in two versions - with conventional and lateral sharpening.

Special tools include a light alloy pin for making holes in explosive packs when installing detonators. Other tool kit is quite common: an awl, a can opener, a file, and scissors. Scissors are quite dimensional and do not have a spring, which, as a rule, becomes an element of insecurity. It is replaced by a handle with a slit, which allows them to open and manage them during operation (like ordinary scissors). There is a holder for changeable bits, it can be completed with an extension cord. The presence of interchangeable bits increases the possibility of using the tool, since it is not necessary to have a whole set of different screwdrivers and special socket wrenches.

Unfortunately, with all the advantages, such a tool is poorly suited for military use. It should be much simpler, more comfortable, and not have replaceable parts that can be lost (one of the requirements that always applies to such products).

The tool "Vzryvotehnik" - part of the kit, which, in addition to him, includes a universal working knife under the same name. It is manufactured by AiR. Despite his appointment, he gives the impression of military weapons. This is due to the dagger-shaped blade widening in the front. This is done to shift the center of gravity forward. The blade was designed as an army knife for heavy work. Therefore, the dimensions of the blade are impressive enough - the length is 180 mm, the thickness is 6 mm. Such massiveness allows you to chop this knife and use it as a lever. The blade width makes it possible to dig. Of course, this is not a shovel, but it is quite suitable for digging small holes. Sharpening is differentiated: on the one hand, it is ordinary (used for cutting and cutting), on the other - a sawtooth sharpening with a fine tooth, which plays the role of a drill, and in some situations it can even play the role of a saw.

In spite of its working mission, the Explosivesman is also a weapon. The length and thickness of the blade, its shape, type of sharpening allow you to use the knife in this quality. The handle is made of PCB, this material was the most acceptable for use in difficult conditions. Pommel of steel, can act as a hammer. Cordura sheath with plastic liner, they have a pocket in which you can place a diamond grinding bar and a survival kit. Knife "Vzryvotehnik" is of interest not only for the sappers, but also for other types of troops. Now there is a stage of trial operation of this product. On the basis of combat samples, the manufacturer is about to begin producing civilian versions, making the necessary changes to their design.
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  1. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 April 26 2014 08: 59
    +6
    The knife should work, this is its purpose! A working knife is the most necessary when hunting, on a workstation, in war and in domestic life! Thank you Igor for the topic!
  2. Denis
    Denis April 26 2014 10: 17
    +6
    A knife is a knife and it is not necessary to give it other functions by increasing weight, strength, ballistics, etc.
    Maybe besides a knife, you need to think about a universally tool
    Shooting knives LDC and LDC-2 in appearance and characteristics are similar. The difference is that the LDC knife shoots the SP-3 silent cartridges, and the LDC-2 - the SP-4 silent cartridges, which, recall, are used for the PSS pistol
    And here there are no words
    By changing the shape and coloring of the scabbard, the firing knife becomes traffic police wand and a hidden means of self-defense.
    Question to specialists: often they are used as small arms and what are the technical characteristics?
    1. Walking
      Walking April 26 2014 14: 35
      +4
      It is very rare to shoot, and only in the scabbard, to shoot with a naked blade is not very pleasant. Cartridge for emergency.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 26 2014 20: 58
      +15
      I completely agree! A cross between a dachshund and a suitcase is not a suitcase or a dachshund. If the knife spins in the hand in battle - you're a corpse. If you can’t cut through the equipment, if it gets stuck, if it hooks ... There should be nothing on the knife. Nothing! Not a single extra protrusion. Not a single extra feature. The only thing else a combat knife can do is cut fat. At least if you are hoping for a knife and want to live. Best Combat Knife - HP. Better yet, a good finca.
      The most rational warriors in the world - the Swiss (famous for their countless victories in general, and perfect ones after many long journeys) have created a "Swiss knife" - never a knife! And a multitool, which a soldier needs, but which in battle to use and drunk will never come to mind. I dare to remind lovers of a variety of corners hung on everything that your tireless little hands reach.
      Before World War II, the sequence of commands required to submerge a submarine ranged from 19 to 23 commands from my memory. All this was very beautiful, solemn, and seemed absolutely necessary. In the very first months of the war, the team was left alone. ONE! "Urgent Immersion"! All the rest were leading the carriages to death. To inevitable death, do you understand ?! Any burr that your knife could potentially snag on is your death. You will die from this! No matter how beautiful and "useful" this burr may look.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni April 27 2014 16: 45
        +2
        and therefore it is not necessary to cram the uninspired into the combat knife. you just need to supplement it with a revolver, ala detective speysel and normal tool
    3. tchoni
      tchoni April 27 2014 16: 41
      +1
      usually to shoot yourself.
  3. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 April 26 2014 10: 22
    +10
    we were given special forces snipers like BASURMANINA, to be honest, I wasn’t enthusiastic. heavy. dumb like scrap. uncomfortable. as a result, he was lying around in the locker. I carried the IRBIS Kazan knife with us from the company MELITA. we somehow filled up a boar in the Czech Republic .when all our knives were dull, our knife made of damask steel lasted the longest.
  4. La-5
    La-5 April 26 2014 11: 49
    +5
    I believe that the knife should be a knife in the first place, and additional functions only harm it.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 26 2014 12: 14
      +6
      Do not harm if the knife remains a knife. If you put a kit in the cavity of the handle, this is only a plus. If on the upper edge (not cutting) make a la saw - but for God's sake. And how do these additional functions harm the knife if they do not affect the cutting edge and emphasis?
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 27 2014 09: 50
        +3
        If you put a set in the cavity of the handle, balancing the knife will become complete crap. That is, he will lie crookedly in his hand, and this is a sentence. It cannot be thrown at all. Yes, throwing is not approved by instructors and is not recommended ... that does not prevent a trained person from six steps to squeeze a centimeter of a board stably.
        For "a la saw", if you are captured, they will show you how real soldiers are faithful to traditions. The remark will remind you - "All Quiet on the Western Front." That is, they will wind your guts on a poker, because the saw pulls out those very guts from the abdomen in reverse. In battle, you will not just kill a person with such a knife, first he will see hell on earth. Therefore, you better not be captured with this gut-maker ...
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 April 30 2014 00: 42
          0
          Throwing a knife is the destiny of specialists, I do not belong to them. I won’t tell you for a la saw, you know better, I didn’t get captured. Did you fall or are you captivated? Or did one friend tell an old friend?
  5. Andrey77
    Andrey77 April 26 2014 11: 59
    +4
    A knife, of course, a tool. The headline is silly. The club (it doesn't matter whether it is rubber or metal - a weapon or a tool?) - of course a weapon. The author is a "knife", he himself is. But the article is a set of complete bullshit.
    "The GRAU convened a meeting of edged weapons manufacturers, issued a technical assignment and a month for the development and manufacture of samples" - can you give the names of directors from the enterprises, the very names of the enterprises which were given the technical assignment, a month for everyone?

    Voennoye Obozreniye, you gave a reprint of the Oruzhie magazine almost a year ago. But I am also ready to meet with the author. Will you help?
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  7. La-5
    La-5 April 26 2014 12: 04
    0
    Tell me who knows how to insert an e-book into a comment, if this is of course possible.
    1. uzer 13
      uzer 13 April 26 2014 19: 08
      +1
      It is necessary to connect the device to the computer via an USB port as an external drive and find the information folder on the internal or external memory. To open the texts, they must be converted to txt or word format, video formats are usually supported. Texts are inserted using copy, photo and video materials using the buttons on the toolbar in the usual way.
      1. La-5
        La-5 April 29 2014 00: 12
        0
        It seems that I didn’t put it that way, I have a book in djvu format, (a scanned version of a paper book) I want to insert it into a comment as a file, but I don’t need to connect anything via USB.
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 April 27 2014 17: 44
      0
      Quote: La-5
      Tell me who knows how to insert an e-book into a comment, if this is of course possible.

      It is possible to "insert" only an excerpt or a quotation of a limited amount, because the VO will "swear": "You have entered too long a comment" ...
      The rest of the order of "input" you "chewed" uzer13 in his comment above.
  8. erased
    erased April 26 2014 12: 08
    +9
    As for the knives, I will say this - this weight should be in the equipment, but it should not burden the soldier. "Cool" blades in the Rambo-Bowie style weigh a lot and look like Scramasax. Any specialist will take an extra magazine with cartridges instead. The knife must meet two requirements - be working in a broad sense and not interfere. You need something like "Smersh-2/3", not necessarily exactly like that, but by weight and size.
    The tasks of a knife precisely as a combat one come down to two options - removing the sentry and destroying the enemy in battle.
    Withdrawal is now carried out with the help of silent weapons (it’s not even that way). And if it comes to close contact and the knife goes into use, then this is a rare thing, but such a thing.
    That's all. the rest of the use is domestic.
    Ah, well, there’s a third option - to dance. And there are no ents. Here, with a two-handed sword, hardly anyone will compete.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 26 2014 12: 21
      +4
      I have been around for 6 years now. Yes, that same Rambo die, from carbon. Ponty - yes. In practice - great. The drawback is one and huge - it is made of carbon, the rust on the third day is already visible - the knife should be monitored like a child. PS I sharpened the edge for myself, the angle of sharpening changed a bit.
      1. vietnam7
        vietnam7 April 28 2014 06: 55
        0
        Try to oxidize the blade. The simplest thing is a sprite for the night - it will give a beautiful gray color; the shades depend on steel, if in cola it is more black with a shade of brown, I recently cooked my first damascus, etched in chifira for lack of nitric acid.
    2. luiswoo
      luiswoo April 26 2014 16: 10
      +4
      Quote: erased
      The tasks of a knife precisely as a combat one come down to two options - removing the sentry and destroying the enemy in battle.
      Withdrawal is now carried out with the help of silent weapons (it’s not even that way). And if it comes to close contact and the knife goes into use, then this is a rare thing, but such a thing.
      That's all. the rest of the use is domestic.

      When a "knife" was actually used in battle, it was a stiletto or a bayonet. With a long blade from 18-20 see. Which to use in household is quite problematic if it is not slaughter of animals.


      Moreover, it must be understood that the sentry with a firearm can live long enough to pull the trigger and with his throat cut and a broken heart. And to the desired coronary artery or spinal cord (only their damage "guarantees" that everything will be without noise and dust, and try to get into them, I think because of this too, even in the Second World War they began to use a fire gun with a silencer relatively actively), it is problematic to get home because of a short, thick and wide blade relative to the products along the profile.
  9. Fobos-grunt
    Fobos-grunt April 26 2014 13: 07
    +2
    Quote: Andrey77
    There is one and huge drawback - it is made of carbon, rust already appears on the third day - the knife must be watched like a child

    Here it is necessary to decide - what is more important: "stainless steel", as a rule, holds sharpening worse than carbon steel
  10. Mark Twain
    Mark Twain April 26 2014 16: 34
    0
    Can someone tell me what kind of thing this is? Everyone wanted to know the history of origin, but somehow the hands did not reach
    1. Navy7981
      Navy7981 April 26 2014 17: 44
      0
      What a beauty !!! (Alas, apart from evaluating aesthetics ...). It looks amazingly harmonious. However, high-quality weapons are always beautiful !!!
    2. La-5
      La-5 April 29 2014 00: 18
      0
      I can recommend the site for various historical weapons and equipment, there you can ask experts what kind of dagger it is - http://forum.ww2.ru/
    3. Tyumen
      Tyumen 27 June 2014 14: 57
      -1
      Hunting Daggers.
  11. Free wind
    Free wind April 26 2014 17: 23
    +2
    A bumblebee, a pretty pretty knife, I liked it. And the combat knife of the English special forces, I really do not like, the photo is slightly higher. This is a pig, no more than why he became a special forces knife I don’t understand.
  12. Bosk
    Bosk April 26 2014 19: 19
    +1
    A knife is a continuation of the hand, but what this continuation should be is strictly individual, although if you think about it, you can fill your hand with any strong knife, it’s like with a weapon — if you haven’t got your hand out of a hundred shots, shoot further until you fill.
  13. kirpich
    kirpich April 26 2014 19: 28
    +2
    The topic of knives, both military and conventional, has been raised repeatedly here.
    My opinion is the best knife is a sharp knife.
    luiswoo your statement-
    Moreover, one must understand that a sentry with a firearm can live long enough to pull the trigger and with a cut throat and a broken heart. And to the desired coronary artery or spinal cord (only their damage "guarantees" that everything will be free of noise and dust, and try to get into them, I think because of this, too, even in the Second World War they began to use a fire gun with a silencer relatively actively). ..

    Actually, during the Second World War, scouts and saboteurs didn’t cut their throats and beat in the coronary artery (troublesome and dirty) to remove sentinels. A person has two points that cut down a person INSTANTLY. In your drawings, this (fig C) is the carotid artery, and the kidney.
  14. uzer 13
    uzer 13 April 26 2014 19: 32
    +3
    We continue to reinvent the wheel. Well, well. We still have to make a homemade trench knife in case of something. I believe that the knife is an important thing and we still need to create a well-equipped state-owned enterprise for the production of blade weapons. And then all these crooks are petty Semi-handicraft enterprises like NOX will always cheat with steel grades and with hardening. They cannot weld steel themselves, and they don’t have a large batch to order, metallurgists don’t make orders for 200-300 kg. Well, how can metal be tempered properly? without knowing the steel grade? Here the help of technologists and some experimental developments are required. The Chinese can be learned from the same ones, there they have several factories that produce these knives.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 27 2014 17: 44
      0
      Who needs it - they will buy a knife on their own. And who doesn’t need to - an ordinary bayonet-knife (GRAU 6X2) will do.
  15. Leader
    Leader April 26 2014 22: 34
    +2
    I have a Glock-79 - the most "soldier's knife". Our "developers" can't think of such a thing in life - it's too easy, I guess.
    You look at all these Russian "exclusives" and you wonder what kind of sentries are they filming?
    The role of the knife in war as a weapon is zero. When it comes, any object that comes along is used as a "weapon of last chance".
    Some show off ... Talk about nothing.
    1. Jarilo
      Jarilo April 27 2014 11: 07
      0
      Quote: Leader
      I have a Glock-79 - the most "soldier's knife"

      I own the same 78 Glock. Re-sharpened from 43 to 36 degrees. Very satisfied. Perfectly holds sharpening. To dig a hole, and chop logs and cut sausages. Blade of a good shape. Under the cap in the handle I fit a small NAZ. Only carbon steel is susceptible to corrosion, but any tool must be monitored. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ7lRiyeCro
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo April 27 2014 11: 30
        0
        Here is a video of Glock's work confirming the high performance characteristics of this knife:

      2. Andrey77
        Andrey77 April 27 2014 17: 51
        +1
        And you chose carbon? =)
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 27 2014 17: 48
      0
      You don’t need to cut people with a knife - many useful devices have been invented for this. But with a multi-tool sausage, cutting is still a pleasure ...
  16. ken
    ken April 27 2014 15: 21
    0
    The knife is simple - Handsome !!!!!!!! Test !!!
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 27 2014 18: 01
      0
      Artistically beautiful, but most likely a souvenir.
  17. tchoni
    tchoni April 27 2014 17: 16
    0
    I agree with those guys who rate the role of the combat knife as low. among my friends there are quite a few who fought (I must make a reservation right away, these are mainly infantry and tankers), and so they called cutting carcasses of stolen sheep the most combat use of the knife. as a weapon of the last chance, a pistol or a self-cocking revolver is better (even more convenient: always charged and ready for battle) if you are going to repair or disable something - take a normal tool. if you need to dig - take a sapper shovel - by the way, and in melee it is much more effective than a knife.
  18. tchoni
    tchoni April 27 2014 17: 16
    0
    I agree with those guys who rate the role of the combat knife as low. among my friends there are quite a few who fought (I must make a reservation right away, these are mainly infantry and tankers), and so they called cutting carcasses of stolen sheep the most combat use of the knife. as a weapon of the last chance, a pistol or a self-cocking revolver is better (even more convenient: always charged and ready for battle) if you are going to repair or disable something - take a normal tool. if you need to dig - take a sapper shovel - by the way, and in melee it is much more effective than a knife.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 27 2014 17: 57
      0
      Nun-trucks in skilled hands are much more effective than a scapula. And the statement that the blade is more effective than the knife ... It is debatable minimum.
      1. Papilon64
        Papilon64 April 27 2014 23: 14
        +3
        I agree, you need to be able to use a knife.
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 28 2014 05: 44
    +3
    A knife is a knife. That is a weapon for cutting. Not for digging, chopping, sawing, snacking and the like. So all these perverts can be called tools with the function of a knife, no more.
  20. vietnam7
    vietnam7 April 28 2014 07: 21
    0
    During the conscript service, I had to talk to both the NR and the NRS, everyone hung on unloading. At the exits, in everyday work, almost everyone had a small storekeeper, they took a hacksaw and an ax to chop, chop, cut into a group, in my opinion no universal knife will replace them. Everyone had a sapper shovel to dig. I myself make knives from a "quick-cut" - steel R6M5 for cutting rails, it used to be p18, but they say I went for rockets, now there is a big deficit. A comrade with my knife filled up two bulls and butchered them without editing the blade.
  21. valersvet
    valersvet April 28 2014 08: 56
    0
    the author, I forgot to lay out a photo of an explosion engineer
  22. Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor April 28 2014 11: 30
    0
    I like the knife: it kills quickly, quietly, helps in extracting information from an intractable enemy. In the hands of a tankman or a simple infantryman, a knife is just a knife, but in the hands of a properly trained professional, a knife is already a deadly and effective weapon. If the knife as a weapon were not in demand in modern realities, then I would have long been left without work. For reference: even with an ordinary Chinese folding, a person trained (not in public knife fighting schools for anyone) will spend no more than 5 seconds working out the enemy in hand-to-hand combat, although it usually takes 2 seconds.
  23. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 April 28 2014 23: 05
    -1
    Who is interested in the material for the knife, I can recommend. The exhaust valve from the engine. Dignity holds sharpening well and stays even from fresh blood.
  24. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 April 28 2014 23: 05
    -1
    Who is interested in the material for the knife, I can recommend. The exhaust valve from the engine. Dignity holds sharpening well and stays even from fresh blood.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 30 2014 00: 14
      +1
      Isn't it easier to buy / order? Masters themselves know where to find, and lovers will not be able to process good material. Again, ICE valves - in the USSR you could not buy high-quality metal. Not for sale. Only by taking the engine valve, spring locomotive parts, etc. Now you can buy ANY steel. And let the valves be valves.
  25. Zoologist
    Zoologist 12 May 2014 17: 26
    0
    A knife for a soldier is a necessary thing. And moreover, not so much for battle as for the household. Therefore, you need a simple strong and sharp solid knife. And the bayonets are certainly outdated.
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