Poland decided: it needs American fighter jets of 5 generation

As the "INTERFAX" With reference to the newspaper "Dziennik Polski", Poland plans to purchase American F-35 fighter jets.

According to the Polish edition, all the details of the possible deal are still unknown. Polish Minister of Defense Tomash Simonyak does not give exact answers to questions and notices that at the moment we are not talking about concrete decisions. According to the newspaper, the acquisition of new fighter jets is the long-term plans of the country's defense ministry.

The plans of the military department of the country may include the purchase of four squadrons of new F-35 fighters, i.e., more than 60 vehicles. A serious problem remains their high price - $ 200 million for one fighter without additional equipment. Experts believe that any decision to purchase F-35 will be the result of pressure from the United States.

Ранее "LENTA.RU" reported that initially in terms of the plan was to buy the new fighter 16 F-16 Fighting Falcon latest version. Their purchase was planned in the 2018 year, and the delivery of the first aircraft was planned for 2019-2022 years. At the beginning of 2014, the program has changed. In particular, the F-16 purchase item was deleted from it; it was replaced by a record of the need to purchase fifth-generation 64 fighters.

According to the updated document, in 2020, it is planned to allocate 170 million zlotys (56,2 million dollars) for the purchase of new combat aircraft, and deliveries of new fighters should start in 2021. All deliveries should be completed in the 2030 year, and in the first years I will deliver two vehicles per year, and then gradually increase to four and six units of equipment per year, respectively. From the beginning of the supply of fighters Poland will pay for them at 350 zł million per year.

Polish economists believe that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy.

Comments

[svetlomor]

They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

[mad]

Logs realized that soon competitors from western Ukraine would appear in their highly profitable business of cleaning European toilets. So it's time to defend your national interests!

[elmi]

Polish economists believe that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy.

Should we ban the import of Polish goods into Russia, soon Poland’s intentions with the purchase of the F-35 will turn into dreams.

[Ramadan]

Yes, these are empty words. You can not even strain.

[jjj]

America knows how to make its vassals spend money on strengthening the sovereign economy

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: jjj

America knows how to make its vassals spend money on strengthening the sovereign economy

I completely agree, the next proposal from which it is impossible to refuse.

[Spnsr]

Quote: elmi

Polish economists believe that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy.

Should we ban the import of Polish goods into Russia, soon Poland’s intentions with the purchase of the F-35 will turn into dreams.

buying Polish, finance pin.dos.ov, eating at McDonald's, finance another bombing of civilians

[avg]

Yes, the logs will have to be drained at tripled speed.

[miraculous]

hah hah hah (((

[Vitaly Anisimov]

What is happening now in Ukraine and on their conscience .. Russia is not vindictive and yet .. (Pshek amersky planes will not save you .. if that)

[atarix]

give them these airplanes like dead poultices.
except that the tax will undermine its own. and only.
silly.

[COLUN]

Quote: svetlomor

They don’t know what other part of the US z.p.

Well, that's great!
The more they spend on meaningless weapons, the better for us!
We are not going to attack, but it is a problem for them to overcome our layered air defense. So they didn’t scare them, but their economy is a very serious blow !!!

[Basarev]

Hmm .. But the US military budget is rapidly losing weight. Once we have reached the sale of serious aircraft to the poor Polish gopot.

[Wanderer H7]

But what are these serious aircraft ?! This is shit that the Americans are trying to hurry with all their might to at least somehow recoup the costs of research and development and the production of this shit! This vaunted 5th generation American fighter in virtual battles with our SU-35, which is considered to be the 4 ++ generation, loses outright. He loses to such an extent that after spending a dozen of these fights the Americans have classified them, they don’t show anyone (they’ll say they’re winning ... Ha ha ha!))) And if you take into account the price / quality ratio, then the price is really from the plane, and the quality from the subcompact ...

[Wiruz]

You can’t say better

[Alez]

The Poles still can not understand that they are feeding someone else's American army. They will roam, but they will acquire as many as 60 aircraft. Which they won’t even be able to fly, normally the watches are expensive, kerosene is also not cheap. They will walk with rags and wipe them and admire their military power

[from punk]

Quote: svetlomor

They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

I saw the arrival of American paratroopers in Poland on TV. Aerial shots from the airfield so the Amer’s airborne marching on the background of the instant 21.60 F-35 are generally a buoyant purchase for the Polish budget? Let them buy in Kaliningrad and work out all their weak points in Belarus

[andrewvlg]

I don’t understand this arithmetic: one F-35 costs 100 million. The article says 2 times more:

A serious problem remains their high price - $ 200 million per fighter

At the same time

According to the updated document, in 2020, it is planned to allocate 170 million zlotys (56,2 million dollars) for the purchase of new combat aircraft, and deliveries of new fighters should start in 2021. All deliveries should be completed in the 2030 year, and in the first years I will deliver two vehicles per year, and then gradually increase to four and six units of equipment per year, respectively. From the beginning of the supply of fighters Poland will pay for them at 350 zł million per year.

That is, they will pay from 56 to 115 million dollars. per year and buy from 2 to 6 aircraft, how is it ??? Complete nonsense.

[TEODOR]

100 million is the minimum configuration))

[andrewvlg]

Quote: TEODOR

100 million is the minimum configuration))

I agree, and I am surprised how it is possible, with the maximum planned payment of 115 million per year, to receive a supply of 6 aircraft in the same year and 2 aircraft in previous years (and payments are even less).

[Nonik]

Quote: andrewvlg

I agree, and I am surprised how it is possible, with the maximum planned payment of 115 million per year, to receive a supply of 6 aircraft in the same year and 2 aircraft in previous years (and payments are even less).

Leasing for 10 years?

[mad]

100 million is the minimum configuration))

Without ABS, cruise and front-wheel drive)))

[slovak007]

Quote: mad

Without ABS, cruise and front-wheel drive)))

And also without climate control and without a full-sized spare wheel;)
But seriously let them spend it, the F-35 does not meet all the parameters presented to the 5th generation aircraft. Yes, in addition to airplanes, it’s also necessary to change the service base, to buy NATO ammunition, retrain personnel, and of course, what else.

[dr.star75]

Coloring white non-metallic

[mpa945]

And the chassis manually and no power steering

[Lars_xiii]

On front wheel drive? What is it like? And with a propeller!

[Mishut37rf]

Without windows and air conditioning.

[skiff-xnumx]

I can’t guarantee the reliability, but I read somewhere that 100 lemons of candy wrappers are asked for an airplane without an engine and other equipment (I don’t remember which one). So for a hundred square meters only a monument. Correct if I am mistaken.

[GRANATE-19]

Quote: svetlomor

They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

In Poland, apparently there is nowhere to put money.

[Revolver]

Quote: GRANATE-19

In Poland, apparently there is nowhere to put money.

Then a couple of weeks ago the phrase "If you want to ruin a small developing country - give it a cruiser" flashed across. And here is not even a gift, but a sale. And 60 aircraft of the 5th generation will probably cost no less than a cruiser in operation. Nu-nu ...

[GRANATE-19]

Quote: svetlomor

They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

In Poland, apparently there is nowhere to put money.

[GRDS]

Hde money Zin .... Pshee ki themselves barely barely make ends meet)))

[mad]

But this is not a reason to reduce the Light Elf's standard of living; logs can also tighten belts.

[Predator]

So they are on credit, only who will serve them? The United States will not give attendance to this!

[Duke]

A serious problem remains their high price - $ 200 million per fighter without additional equipment.

Where did the money come from? Or only on paper, in plans.

[sergey72]

Quote: Duke

Where did the money come from? Or only on paper, in plans.

Gazprom !!!! Urgently !!!! Polenev got extra babos !!!! Do not pass by !!!

[Wiruz]

They will barter the F-35 to deploy missile defense. How much do the Yankees pay for missile defense?

[Roman1970]

If necessary, let them buy ... SU-35 will make them anyway ...

[Basarev]

And not only the Su-35 is the only one we live in. PAK YES is already undergoing tests, and the final is already obvious.

[Lars_xiii]

Excuse me, are you confusing anything? PAK YES is a long-range bomber and it is only being designed. Probably you mean PAK FA?

[Basarev]

It seems that I actually mixed up the letter, but this does not change the essence - the final test of the PAK FA is already obvious.

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

If the Poles have extra money, let them buy it. Maybe some realties will fly to us by accident, let our people study this "miracle of technology".

[ya.seliwerstov2013]

And then in MONINO him. Let the kids look.

[smart Fox]

one has already flown near Smolensk, still snot of sorrow from the face will not be erased. So he was not so clever, but with those who will be managed by them. Born to crawl (or lick, as you like) can not fly.

[mamont5]

"Polish economists are confident that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy."

Exactly. Where is the money, Zin? Of course, I want a cool toy, but why? ..

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: mamont5

Exactly. Where is the money, Zin? Of course, I want a cool toy, but why? ..

Why? The United States was ordered, the Psheks were taken under the visor! And that the plane does not fly, it’s even better to save on fuel!

[sub307]

Then, at least in order to more reliably "tie" NATO to the United States, perhaps for the planned replacement of outdated Soviet technology. But more than 60 pieces of F-35, it's too cool. They will give money, of course.

[Little Muck]

I read an article about the flawed F-35, even compared to our 4 ++, I do not know how true. Americans are promoting their baroque around the world.
And the Poles were foolish morons, they’ll die too.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Little Muck

And the Poles were foolish morons, they’ll die too.

Yusovtsy Pshekam and M16 were able to vparit! Although Kalash from Poland, at least zh.p.poy

[0255]

Poland decided: it needs American fighter jets of 5 generation

Did Poshusha decide, or is it the States?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: 0255

Did Poshusha decide, or is it the States?

The overlord needs to collect money from the vassals, but since we have a type of democracy in the world, we need a screen-purchase of modern US fighters.

[TurboSloN]

They will sell half of Poland and buy heels f35, well, or as a junta through sms they will collect all together in one plane.

[Nester]

Or maybe it was for Poland decided by friends from across the ocean? Like, look what’s going on, Russia is boundless. You can't survive without a 5th generation fighter ...

[Predator]

If there is a mess, then they cannot survive with them!

[Naval]

As in an old toast: "I want to buy a cow, but there is no opportunity, I can buy a goat, but there is no desire. So let's drink to the fact that our opportunities always coincide with our desires!"

[Wiruz]

For some reason, I became completely disappointed in the Poles. Maybe it's time to cancel "Eternal Peace With Poland"?

[sergey72]

Quote: Wiruz

Maybe it's time to cancel "Eternal Peace With Poland"?

And when did we sign it?
It’s time to create the Warsaw’s general-governorship, to appoint Zhirinovsky as the governor .... they stand each other.
Well, now, seriously ... If Poland would really be interested in acquiring normal, sufficiently capable equipment, they would have turned to Sweden for Grippen, the maintenance of this machine is within her power ... But no, the scoundrels imagine themselves to be the power she is is not more than 400 years. The purchase of the F-35 for them is an image thing, so to speak, joining the club of "advanced" Western powers. I only suspect that these planes will be locked in hangars, and the logs will drive excursions and be proud of what good fellows they are ...

[Basarev]

But the Poles had a chance to arm themselves with decent aircraft - if they had remained loyal to us, as in the Soviet years, then they would have bought Su-30, or maybe even Su-35, from Russia. Of course, truncated export options, but it’s better than the American ridicule. It is even possible that they would be partners in the development of the PAK FA, as the Indians are now working with us. Of course, even the Indians will not receive the full-format PAK FA, but about the fifth generation the Indians will receive. The Poles could turn out the same number, but they preferred disown tskogo past and Russian present.

[Kasym]

Hello, Sergey ! Yes, let them take, the golden penguin. All this will seriously affect the economy of Poland. Although of all the countries of Eastern Europe, the Poles are the most prosperous. But for ten years now, they have been making some loud, but empty statements. The Poles are clearly "on the hook" in Washington. They have not had a single normal national leader lately. All are pro-Western. The hangover will be hard.
Poland is somewhat reminiscent of Ukraine. On the one hand, they perfectly understand the dependence on energy carriers (without which there is nowhere) on Russia, on the other hand, they do everything to bite the Russian Federation more painfully, so vilely, out of tune.
The F-35, judging by the electronics and novelty, will be expensive to maintain. Burst what computer. detail - change everything. On the other hand, Russian specialists will "enlighten" him up and down. ... Then we'll see what kind of super-duper stealth he is. And they will draw their own conclusions - how and what to butt with him. We already know that the wrapper (advertisement) of the "candy" can be beautiful, but the candy (product) itself is gov.om.
Too controversial aircraft turned out.

[Grenz]

They still have not paid for the mortar.
It seems that Psheks, like Ukrainians, are lovers of loans and then do not give them back.
Horseradish with them, do not buy from us. Each plane reduces the standard of living of the Poles. But not for us to worry in this case.

[starik80]

This is fantastic, for Poland with its huge budget. Well then, as in the saying:
- "If you want to undermine the economy of a small state - Give her a cruiser"

[Barakuda]

Better "Missouri" ..

[Lars_xiii]

Or Yamato. Self-pickup.

[spech]

Experts believe that any decision to purchase the F-35 will be the result of pressure from the United States.

someone doubted it?

[Giant thought]

The Polish budget will be torn. A hernia will crawl out from so many F-35.

[Riperbahn]

Poland all shit but loves to pick up. If only it was American.

[Ulairy]

[i] Polish economists are confident that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy. [i]
Don't listen, don't listen to these eggheads! Buy More Flying Buckets of the 5th Generation! Russia is coming! Do not look that there are no "additional equipment" on them, the Poles should not look at the devices, but only in the eyes of their enemy !!! Catapults not working? To bail out is alarmism and shame! Urrya, to the Polish "hawks", urrya to American aid!
(but denyuzhki, still push forward (at least for a quarter of the plane, well, or at least for the wing). Our striped friends really need your zloty). Pffhhhhh, lol !.

[Aleksey_K]

In this way, the US helps itself and its economy. Poland is a member of NATO and the United States will command these aircraft. If all NATO countries buy modern weapons from the USA, this will help the US economy and America do not need to create them for themselves. Those. no need to have a bloated budget due to armaments.

[Samsebenaum]

In addition, to completely squeeze the Poles, oblige them to buy an aircraft carrier. How clairvoyant without an aircraft carrier? Suddenly Russia will attack?

[storm wind]

You look at all the mess that is happening in the world and you just get fucked up by those who do not have an independent independent reasonable policy. Everywhere the Americans launched their tentacles .. It’s necessary to chop off!
Only Russia, in my opinion, has a healthy head. If we had a good fifth burn pillar ..

[ar-ren]

>> If only the fifth column had been thoroughly burned ...

Since August 2014, they will not be able to say anything anywhere.

[mvv]

buy a squadron of such prodigies and sleep peacefully. just like an amulet from aggression straight from the USA. pah -.

[Barakuda]

I'm the same fucking, with a bare ass on a hedgehog !!! here from Father’s Sushki and Russian piss, they still f-35 .. Well, we all will be fine - Psheks without panties will remain in the appropriate position.

[Sergei75]

"... it is planned to allocate 170 million zlotys (56,2 million dollars) .... From the beginning of the supply of fighters, Poland will pay 350 million zlotys a year for them .... the price is $ 200 million for one fighter"

I don’t understand someone, they will pay 110 Baku lyamas per year (at best), the plane costs 200, the program is for 10 years, it turns out 1/2 fighter a year and then 5, but somehow the remaining 55 (rolled up the lip on 60)?
Or is it a seed before bidding? Like, here we want to take the super-duper A-35, and here you are offering your 4 ++, just throw off the little one, and we will take it ...

[Obliterator]

Not so well the Yankees vassals their denyuzhku bred. Super Hornets (who are 3-4 times cheaper, but they can do the same thing) these Poles would be enough for the eyes, so no, you need to buy the most expensive toy.

It remains to persuade Ukraine to buy them to complete the picture.

[ar-ren]

>> Super Hornets (which are 3-4 times cheaper, but can do the same thing)

No, the F-35 is cooler. It is not for nothing that the supers will be decommissioned and changed to f-35c on aircraft carriers.

[Obliterator]

Unlike Hornet, he did not prove his coolness. Surely he’s not worth so much. and wait a while, the Boeing will finish the Silent Hornet modification, and in general, big grandmas will not pay for F35.

[ar-ren]

>> wait a minute more Boeing will finish the Silent Hornet modification,

Only Eagle, not Hornet! And yes, according to the results of the comparison of Silent Needle and F-35, Korea chose the 35th.

[Obliterator]

It is Hornet, not Eagle. Here in VO already wrote about him. This is Boeing’s response to the F35. And Australia abandoned the F35 in favor of the Super Hornet. And for sure it will not be the only one, because in favor of the new Hornets there is also the fact that customers, in principle, are already familiar with him, are able to exploit.

[jurikberlin]

do not buy Polish goods and they even do not overpower the wing from these barrel-grinders.

[Indifferent]

The F-35 is a serious car. Now it is customary to write nonsense about her. And the glider has drawbacks. But the electronics on this machine will be very serious. According to advertising data, nothing close has yet been created in the world. Maybe "Khibiny-U" and is able to disable it (electronics), but so far no one has checked it.
As for Poland, the worse it will have with the economy, the better! I do not like people who are sold to those who pay the most. And just such people live in Poland. So letting go broke on fighter jets. Then they also need to be serviced. Also not cheap.

[Basarev]

Perhaps the electronics on the F-35 are really notable. Whatever one may say, but the Americans ate a dog on electronics. But nevertheless, in terms of speed and maneuverability, it should be admitted: we furnished them. It is worth remembering at least the famous "pancake", which only our Sushki know how But this is not the most difficult figure that only our aircraft can handle. So the F-35, although cool, is still not the coolest.

[ar-ren]

>> It is worth remembering at least the famous "pancake", which only our Sushki know how to do.

In training battles MiG-29 vs f-16, as soon as our MiGs began to "aerobat", they were immediately shot down by F-16s. According to the results of training battles, "aerobatics" was banned.

[Sergei75]

Quote: 120352

, which exhausted itself, but did not justify itself, then gouging Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, the United States not only did not raise its status, but created the prerequisites that now they will have to pay for all this, but there is no money!

And what do you mean by money, if gold - then yes, but if Baku, then they will still print and you yourself answered your question.

In general, an interesting conclusion is obtained that explains everything that happens, Baku is not provided with gold or other valuable material, it is provided by the poverty of peoples, the worse things are in the country, and the better in the world the acre of the United States and Britain - the more Baku is needed, respectively, their lack appears, accordingly, the price is rising! The United States is a scavenger, the more suffering there is, the more satisfying their lunch!

[120352]

strgei75
Baku - they are priceless! Those. they do not have a price, and if so, they do not cost anything. Well, maybe like waste paper. So, with their rapid proliferation of the US Federal Reserve System, their "invaluable" value will even more depreciate, despite the noodles hung by American financiers on the ears of addicts.
Yes, and gold - the equivalent of value is very relative. It is hard to chew and it is digested badly.
In fact, at the turn of the 60/70 years of the last century, mankind from industrial civilization passed into information civilization and today it is information, and not gold, whether bucks, that can become a cost equivalent.
See who wins the war? One who has useful information and has the skill to spread false (false as a dollar) information among the opponent.
Why, more precisely, due to which did the countries of Southeast Asia (Japan, Korea, Thailand, etc.) make an economic breakthrough? Not at the expense of Baku, but at the expense of information and informatics and its effective applications. Japan itself is buying up globally unpromising inventions (such as a perpetual motion machine) so as not to waste resources on false search paths.
The adversary is different. Bet on the dollar, which we have already estimated: cellulose with paint. And they caught most of the world on this pulp. The world is sobering, so the adversary’s income will fall. This is very brief so as not to clutter up the resource.

[Alex_good]

I am a deletant. why uncle ar-ren minus slammed?

[Alex_good]

I am a deletant. why uncle ar-ren minus slammed?

[Tektor]

The F-35 is a serious car.

On paper, but they forgot about the ravines ... Cracks in the center section glider, wandering and incurable depressurization of the cockpit when climbing above 4000 m, and the "frenzy of an electronic pilot" that has not been healed for many years ...
And so "serious": must AT THE SAME TIME to attack up to 16 ground targets ... B-2 and F-22 - only up to 8 ...

[Children BuryKonya]

The Americans are actively moving their 35th: first, Australia, now Poland, so all satellites sat down on their machines.

[ar-ren]

He had been planning for export from the very beginning.

[fly fishing]

Let them buy, spend the budget, instead of cooperating. Our pilots are definitely better!

[vvp2412]

Sorry, of course, but in Poland you forgot how to count ?!
First they plan to allocate 50 lyamov (i.e., 1 / 4 aircraft without the cost of additional equipment and maintenance), and then they plan to allocate 100 lyamov per year (i.e., according to 1 / 2 aircraft cost). 60 planes - it turns out 120 years must be paid at 1 / 2 cost !?

Doesn't this deal seem strange to anyone !? :)

[kocclissi]

It will not help them!

[Lyubimov]

It is very alarming that the Americans, so it’s easy to get there, are selling the latest aircraft. There is a vague doubt that something is wrong with them, well, I do not believe that Americans can really push things worthwhile abroad, especially army ones, especially to some Poles, they really do not really consider them for people. Although Brzezinski deeply inhales the aromas of their asses.

[ar-ren]

>> It is very alarming that the Americans are so easily some kind of Poland, they are selling the latest aircraft.

From the very beginning, the F-35 was planned for export to anyone. His cooler brother, f-22, on the contrary, will not be exported.

[Lyubimov]

Well, you have confirmed my guesses, it means they are selling very expensive scrap metal

[Tektor]

f-22 - on the contrary, it will not be exported.

With the Fu-22 - it turns out quite ugly: they don’t sell it to anyone, so that the truth will not be clarified - how much it is supposedly 5 generations. Fu-22 - no luck: it began to be developed on the eve of the rapid progress of computer technology. And it was developed when 386 processors began to change to 486 and the first Pentiums. That scrap metal riveted at the price of gold. So, now it’s a shame to demonstrate it.

[leo44]

Shlyakhistan unambiguously involved in the Maidan. I think in many ways hats are trying to powder ordinary Ukrainians. Everyone is trying to pull up Western Ukraine. Everyone is blowing into the NATO dudu, led by Brzezinski. They still can’t forgive the feat of Ivan Susanin for Russia - they still sharpen their teeth, as if to screw Russia up. Get out in the Patriotic War - they were also going to move together with the Fuhrer to the USSR and snatch Kusman - broke off.

[maksim]

buy buy, by this time in Belarus T-50 squadrons will grow

[Barakuda]

Amazing! Okay, here in Ukraine there are Kashchenko patients in the government. Is it the same in Polyandia, or is it a virus ..

[ar-ren]

Just afraid of our PAK FA.

[Vasya Ko]

Maximum speed: about 1900 km / h (about 1200 mph or 1,6 M with full weapons in the internal compartments) 1,2 M without turning on the afterburner [85]
Cruising speed: 850 km / h (0,8 M) Are these the characteristics of a fifth generation fighter? Our trash is even faster.

[Lesorub]

Poles in any case need to update their air force. In the recent past, they bought small quantities of regular F 16s (which no longer meet modern requirements), and the choice of the F 35 was clearly made under pressure from "partners", because the purchase of the F 35 for the Polish budget is clearly a difficult decision! (YES, even in such an amount, except to stretch 5-6 cars per year)

[ar-ren]

>> And the choice of the F 35 was clearly made under pressure from "partners", because the purchase of the F 35 for the Polish budget is clearly a difficult decision!

Strictly speaking, there’s nothing more to buy! If you keep in mind the possibility of war with the PAK FA.

[spech]

After all, the purchase of F 35 for the budget of Poland is clearly a difficult decision!

plus the cost of infrastructure and maintenance (also not sickly for the dough will come out)

[Smiles to you]

Yes, let God take it ... There will be something to train for us in Belarus ....

[Afinogen]

Polish economists believe that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy.

They will buy planes, and teeth on the shelf

[Gvozdovsky]

Hmm, I wonder how many proud wheat can buy the F-35? As much as one and a half or even (to walk so to walk) as many as two will be able to buy ?!

[theadenter]

Oh laughed at. Well, why does Poland need such excess aircraft?
Hang out?

[ar-ren]

Afraid of PAK FA. Only something f-35 / f-22 will work against PAK FA.

[Militia]

Completely in the hole hit without aiming.

[ar-ren]

Quote: Basarev

Hmm .. But the US military budget is rapidly losing weight. Once we have reached the sale of serious aircraft to the poor Polish gopot.

F-35 from the very beginning was intended for sale abroad.

[nvn_co]

First, let the wife grow up on the operation of a 5th generation aircraft. And then in some ports, like a dog on a leash from the EU and the USA, but they talk about the 5th generation exterminator. L-39! Not more!!! Yes, and he will kill Poles ...

[semuel]

Desires, of course, are astronomical, naivetokskrutobkobkzhelozhemuemu.Nu well, cool straight.

[Velesovich]

$ 200 million for a car whose capabilities are still questionable. Given that, for example, the MiG-29SMT costs about 1 billion rubles under a recently concluded contract, or $ 30 million. Even if we calculate the ratio as 1 to 6, it turns out that the Americans are making good money on their "allies". As for the combat capabilities, it seems to me much more likely the victory of six MiGs over one F-35 than vice versa)) Although, maybe I'm wrong? Still not an expert :)

[Valkh]

If there was money, I would also buy myself !!! - go to the cottage !!!

[sv68]

Poland’s little things — let them buy three hundred F35 in one batch for each of four ammunition and run to the contented ones in the Stone Age

[Vorodis_vA]

lit up trap. from whom will they defend themselves? from Ukraine?

[ar-ren]

>> lit a lohushku. from whom will they defend themselves? from Ukraine?

From Russian PAK FA.

[FunkschNNX]

Like a fish needs a bicycle?

[ar-ren]

Quote: Velesovic

With regard to combat capabilities, it seems to me that the victory of six MiGs over one F-35 is much more likely than vice versa)) Although, maybe I'm wrong? Still not an expert :)

In 2006, the Americans conducted the F-22 vs. all the rest. F-22s "killed" 204 enemy aircraft, losing 2 of their own.

[Wiruz]

having lost 2 of his own.

Having lost in battle with whom? Yes, and 204 aircraft, isn’t it too much? Where did they get so many? Or was IL-2 also lined up against the Raptor?

[Lars_xiii]

The exercises were conducted in conditions most favorable for the F-22. These exercises must have shown the enormous advantage of the fifth generation over the previous ones, otherwise how to advertise and sell the F-35? It is strange that there were losses in general. F-22 car is certainly serious, but not as much as trying to file it. Minus not mine

[Deadmen]

Do they seriously think that these planes will save them from those whom they fear most in the world? the eternally offended country continues its course. Everyone has always kicked them and will continue to kick them, but they still follow the same stable, aching, flawed course.

[Comintern]

Poland decided)))))

[Deadmen]

Poland decided that she had been crumbling a loaf of bread all her life for the wrong person))))

[O. BENDER]

Who cares, but the lousy one needs a bath. The nobles have long been raving about this idea. (getting the latest weapons)

[kelevra]

Where does Poland get the money for them? Last year I read an article where Polish politicians said that they can only dream about American weapons, especially airplanes!

[ar-ren]

Quote: slovak007

Quote: mad

Without ABS, cruise and front-wheel drive)))

And also without climate control and without a full-sized spare wheel;)
But seriously, let them spend their money, the F-35 does not meet all the parameters required for 5th generation aircraft.

There are no better ones for sale!..

[Orc-xnumx]

Did you want to play NATU? Let's play...

[propolsky]

They don't give that kind of credit! But there are no penenses... Maybe they’ll take zlotys instead of dollars?

[120352]

Our “partners”-adversaries are interested not so much in the need to protect Poland from the enemies she dreamed of (the latter is a matter of psychiatry), but in the opportunity to rob anyone in order to somehow exchange their fake dollars (with such an internal debt, there are no others) for almost real ones . The fact that Poland will obviously not get rich as a result of this, but will have to work for several generations for debts and a minimum consumer basket to pay for this happiness, America, of course, does not care. Having become completely impoverished, but never realizing their dream (Poland is a small country. Its resources for such equipment can never be enough), the Poles, with an outstretched hand, will come to Russia, as has happened more than once before.
This is where my question arises. So, Francis Fukuyama, the one who wrote “The End of History” no longer works for the US government? There is no one else to suggest what will happen next, at least three or four moves ahead? After all, by first driving Europe into poverty, by forcing it to create the anti-Russian project “European Union”, which exhausted itself but did not justify itself, then by gouging Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, the United States not only did not increase its status, but created the preconditions for the fact that now it I’ll have to pay for all this, but there’s no money!
The States are rapidly moving towards a new position in the world, the position of a regional power, creating all the conditions for Russia to become a superpower. But a monopolar world is fraught and unpromising, and it is the United States that becomes the first victim of this futility before the eyes of the whole world.

[bomg.77]

Everyone around us began to rattle weapons: planes, ships, tanks.
I want to wish everyone light and warmth.

[sergkar]

Quote: ar-ren

In 2006, the Americans conducted the F-22 vs. all the rest. F-22s "killed" 204 enemy aircraft, losing 2 of their own.

Is this banter or what? Or is this from the series of textbooks "History of Ukratopia"?

[ar-ren]

Quote: sergkar

Is this banter or what? Or is this from the series of textbooks "History of Ukratopia"

There were such teachings, yes. It’s just that as soon as the plane “got down”, it moved away and “respawned”.

[mpa945]

Never mind. I switch to another channel during commercials.

[ar-ren]

- I’m already tired of telling you for the hundred hundredth time that it’s not me who needs to “slow down”, but my opponents need to eliminate the basic ignorance of new realities: two groups of fighters, one led by a real large AWACS E-3C with a powerful brigade of combat control officers on board, the other group - there are two four F-22s leading their F-15s (for each F-22 there are two F-15s, EMNIP), a group led by a large AWACS - larger in number than a group of 8 F-22 + 16 F- 15. They have been fighting for two weeks and the total score of those shot down is 241:2, - 241 fighters were shot down by a smaller group led by the F-22, and they shot down 2 F-15s, moreover, piloted by young and relatively inexperienced pilots. And there is only one pilot in each F-22...

It turns out that the F-22, as a mini-AWACS + active fighter, is truly a “wunderwaffle wow,” and quite objectively so. And the Americans, who “well, tu-py-e!” - The Air Force is molding new tactics under this new reality, taking into account this changed reality.
And you, “the guys sitting behind the stove,” are simply too lazy to read about it and comprehend it.
You joyfully tell each other some fables that have nothing to do with today's realities.

You should take it and read this topic carefully from the very beginning to the very end:
http://waronline.org/fora/index.php?threads/f-22-в-качестве-мини-АВАКСа.2198/

http://waronline.org/fora/index.php?threads/rafale.497/page-9#post-369505

[A1L9E4K9S]

Well, the flag is in their hands, let them buy from them; maybe the chickens won’t peck for money. Well, the Poles wanted an expensive toy, so be it, the glass horseradish won’t last long for fools, they will either break it or lose it. Maybe the Americans will give them a gift to strengthen their nerves, free of charge.

[jPilot]

Well, now the psheks are not on the lookout for anything, the sky is under “reliable” protection.

[ar-ren]

Quote: Wiruz

having lost 2 of his own.

Having lost in battle with whom? Yes, and 204 aircraft, isn’t it too much? Where did they get so many? Or was IL-2 also lined up against the Raptor?

The teachings! As soon as the plane is "shot down", it will "respawn".

[ar-ren]

What does the f-35 pilot's display look like? Combat pilots will understand!..

[zorcher]

And for non-pilots, basically?

[Sergei75]

Have you noticed that in the cartoon, the role of the potential enemy is clearly portrayed by our planes, and in the populated area there are VAZs (Zhiguli) lying around everywhere.
This brings up the question of who their probable enemy is.

[savantol]

Well, you can argue here....they tell it too beautifully.

[1812 1945]

Quote: svetlomor

They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

They let Polka, the fool, into NATO. An American genetically modified cow stole her there (warmed her up). The fool warmed up and cried out: Jeszcze polska nie zginęła! And give F - 35 here! And more! This is such a tragicomedy. Laugh? Cry?

[1812 1945]

This is a fairy tale about a sparrow who chirped in shit, and about Dunka - Trenev, "Lubov Yarovaya" - to whose cook, give Europe!

[Sergei75]

NATO is one of the arms sales markets, it has entered - be so kind as to throw away the Kalash and buy M16s, your MIGs, Sushki, T-72s, and in Ukraine, T-64s with ANs - for scrap metal, buy F-35s and Abramychis.

In general, I have already spoken above, but I repeat - what is the strength of Baku? It seems that he is not provided with gold and he has nothing behind his soul, like a soul, but.... what any country on its knees needs is money and preferably Baku money, they take it on credit, which indicates a shortage of “unsecured” Baku money.
Conclusion - the main guarantee of the value of the US dollar is the ruin of other states, which is what the United States is successfully doing!

Or am I wrong?

[ar-ren]

Quote: Sergei75

Conclusion - the main guarantee of the value of the US dollar is the ruin of other states, which is what the United States is successfully doing! Or am I wrong?

The main guarantee of the US dollar is that the United States really protects its allies. The only thing I remember from the scammers is how they abandoned Egypt. But I honestly suspect that Mubarak messed something up in the relationship.

[1812 1945]

Interesting, Sergei75. Of course, the ruin of other states is one of the favorite tools of the Anglo-Saxon empire, which they use to ensure their well-being. But the main asset backing the dollar is power. “Cuius regio, eius religio” So everyone prays for a dollar. Bye...

[ar-ren]

Quote: Sergei75

NATO is one of the arms sales markets, it has entered - be so kind as to throw away the Kalash and buy M16s, your MIGs, Sushki, T-72s, and in Ukraine, T-64s with ANs - for scrap metal, buy F-35s and Abramychis.

Poland will NOT buy Abramychi, instead it buys Leopards. Ksati, on courage, the Poles tankers praise Leo in comparison with the T-72. What amazes them most is that Leo consumes less fuel than the T-72, despite the fact that it is stupidly 1.5 times heavier.

[Alex Danilov]

Quote: jurikberlin

do not buy Polish goods and they even do not overpower the wing from these barrel-grinders.

What a completely sensible idea and a constructive proposal. As for Poland, I wouldn’t laugh too much, they still dream of their commonwealth speech. And they think that the United States will give them a commonwealth speech according to the Yugoslav scenario of “great Albania.” But honestly, psheki blind and deaf, they will be wiped off the face of the earth in this case. By the way, if Russia loses ground, the psheks will still do so. These are already the watchdogs of the United States.
Therefore, Russia simply must, must, develop and grow stronger. Russia must be better, stronger and stronger in everything. Russians have no other choice.

[Anton Gavrilov]

Poland strong.

[Alex Danilov]

Quote: jPilot

Well, now the psheks are not on the lookout for anything, the sky is under “reliable” protection.

Protection? Isn't this an offensive weapon?

[ar-ren]

Quote: Alex Danilov

Therefore, Russia simply must, must, develop and grow stronger.

Here! true words! just send the fifth column to the west, and everything will work out!

[postman]

If you want to ruin a poor country, give it a cruiser.
Poland will have enough supply of F-35s

[1812 1945]

Bravo! Postman(4)

[voliador]

A serious problem remains their high price - $200 million for one fighter without additional equipment.

and further

... in 2020 it is planned to allocate 170 million zlotys (56,2 million dollars) for the purchase of new combat aircraft

Will someone explain how the psheks are going to buy them? A quarter a year?

[120352]

What does “without additional equipment” mean? Is this an empty fuselage? Without a motor and without a nefin?
Then I won't take it.

[Balaganov]

F-35 toy is not bad, but a little expensive

[2я19]

And two aircraft carriers, so that the grandchildren will die in debt.

[komel]

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth between Germany and Russia. Why Germany?

In response to Sergei Lavrov’s words about Moscow’s reaction in the event of a violation of its interests in Ukraine, Laurent Fabius pointed to a possible tightening of sanctions. The German Foreign Minister calls on the EU to wait a little. Germany did not have enough time to have its own policy. Now they are forming a bloc from Poland, the Baltic states, and they intend to add Ukraine, creating the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth between Germany and Russia. For some reason, Germany is giving away its assets, in exchange for which the United States is offering gas at an expensive price and on the other side of the world, a blockade of development and a reduction in jobs, for which Merkel was elected for a new term in office? ()

[Militia]

Quote: GRDS

Hde money Zin .... Pshee ki themselves barely barely make ends meet)))

And they will save a lot (to heat themselves with wood and coal) and reversely send Russian gas to dill for two prices. They are Westerners!

[Mareman Vasilich]

It’s just not clear why they need them. They still don’t really know how to fight against them. In 1939, instead of defending their native skies, shooting down, ramming, and supporting troops, Polish pilots flew to Romania and the Baltic states.

[brutal true]

Well, now all that remains is to find out: do American 5th generation fighters need Poland. =)

[Turkir]

Apparently, for a long time, for a whole week, Poland did not appear in the news feeds of the world.
It's time, it's time for the world to remember the GREAT SORDER POLAND, which is suffering because of a bad neighbor.
Well, give, give us something.. Well, yes, fighters.. well, these.. the very, the very...
And now, the whole World has already remembered that there is, there is, such a country, somewhere there, near Finland, whatever it’s called... Poland.
Vivat, vivat, the Poles can sleep peacefully for another week, otherwise they write everything about Russia, but they forget about Poland, this most faithful, faithful, most reliable friend of the United States.
It's a shame.

[Capyar 48315]

insanity is getting stronger - well, why the hell do the Poles have 60 units of 5's, if the generation of the rest is not determined even upon close examination. or a couple or three billion extra. It won’t be possible to scare a big neighbor either - 60 targets, even high-tech ones, for ES (by that time 400-500 generations) will not be a problem, not even an annoying nuisance. in reality, Americans are stupidly pushing their economy

[ar-ren]

Quote: Sergei75

Have you noticed that in the cartoon, the role of the potential enemy is clearly portrayed by our planes, and in the populated area there are VAZs (Zhiguli) lying around everywhere.
This brings up the question of who their probable enemy is.

Putin and television always declare that the United States is the enemy of Russia, who sleeps and sees how to kill Russia. Well, what do you want from your enemies?

[Gayver]

You shouldn’t underestimate the f-35; it has as much electronics and technology as 5 Pak Fa aircraft! Development of Pak Fa 10 MLD and F-35 60 mld ! It's like a Lada Kalina
T-50 and Mercedes F-35! Before I saw, before I shot and killed! Apple Pak fa 0,3 m² Apple f-35 0.0015 m². APG-81 The best existing and future radar for fighter aircraft!

[dld35057]

only if they collect money via SMS, and then only half.

[armageddon]

Quote: svetlomor

They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

let them stick them there, by that time we will have a T-50

[Korablev]

Poland plans to purchase American F-35 fighter jets.

And why does a cow need a saddle?.. more precisely, not a cow, but a pig.

[Korablev]

From the start of deliveries of fighter jets, Poland will pay 350 million zlotys per year for them.

Well, gentlemen? Tighten your belts, and tighter!...

[Al Asad]

C-400 is waiting in the Kaliningrad region

[Russian jacket]

Quote: svetlomor

They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

Not only were they healed, but they were also licked to a shine

[ochakow703]

I sat and looked at the world map, and I couldn’t find a more vile people in the whole world. Who are these brutes born into? Everyone loses to them, even the Americans and Hitler.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

I don’t understand something. Why Poland has 35th? Or do they have access to the sea, marines, aircraft carriers, etc. And so, let them fly. As long as we allow it.

[qwert]

What I liked... Instead of 16 F-16s, they will probably buy 60 F-35s. Either the Polish government’s logic is wrong, or this shows the real “combat value” of the F-35))))

[ar-ren]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: jjj

America knows how to make its vassals spend money on strengthening the sovereign economy

I completely agree, the next proposal from which it is impossible to refuse.

you should think about how the USA manages to get it so that all countries are happy to wave it up...

[ar-ren]

Quote: Obliterator

It is Hornet, not Eagle. Here in VO already wrote about him. This is Boeing’s response to the F35. And Australia abandoned the F35 in favor of the Super Hornet. And for sure it will not be the only one, because in favor of the new Hornets there is also the fact that customers, in principle, are already familiar with him, are able to exploit.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_12_02_2013_p22-64062
5.xml

Hornet is produced by McDonnell Douglas! Boeing makes Needles! Understand at least a little first before you start messing with other people's brains!

[supertiger21]

Quote: ar-ren

Hornet is produced by McDonnell Douglas! Boeing makes Needles! Understand at least a little first before you start messing with other people's brains!

You should start by figuring this out, because you are completely confused! McDonnell Douglas was absorbed by the Boeing Corporation in 1997. Therefore, both the carrier-based F/A-18 and the heavy F-15 have been produced by Boeing for 17 years.

[andron72]

Don't let them get away with it this is junk. They will go around the world.

[Igor75]

Quote: NoNick

Quote: andrewvlg

I agree, and I am surprised how it is possible, with the maximum planned payment of 115 million per year, to receive a supply of 6 aircraft in the same year and 2 aircraft in previous years (and payments are even less).

Leasing for 10 years?

No, now “leasing” is forever! If you signed up for the “six”, be so kind as to leasing both front and rear seats all the time

[supertiger21]

I don’t really believe that Poland will decide to purchase 60 F-35s. Most likely, they will buy 16 F-16 units as planned, but by 2020 such an aircraft (even a modernized one) will clearly be outdated, if not already outdated.

[miraculous]

It will probably cost more than the Polish budget) a crazy purchase, plus they are also expensive to maintain and in general only the entire budget of the army will go to them)