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Poland decided: it needs American fighter jets of 5 generation

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As the "INTERFAX" With reference to the newspaper "Dziennik Polski", Poland plans to purchase American F-35 fighter jets.


According to the Polish edition, all the details of the possible deal are still unknown. Polish Minister of Defense Tomash Simonyak does not give exact answers to questions and notices that at the moment we are not talking about concrete decisions. According to the newspaper, the acquisition of new fighter jets is the long-term plans of the country's defense ministry.

Poland decided: it needs American fighter jets of 5 generation


The plans of the military department of the country may include the purchase of four squadrons of new F-35 fighters, i.e., more than 60 vehicles. A serious problem remains their high price - $ 200 million for one fighter without additional equipment. Experts believe that any decision to purchase F-35 will be the result of pressure from the United States.

Ранее "LENTA.RU" reported that initially in terms of the plan was to buy the new fighter 16 F-16 Fighting Falcon latest version. Their purchase was planned in the 2018 year, and the delivery of the first aircraft was planned for 2019-2022 years. At the beginning of 2014, the program has changed. In particular, the F-16 purchase item was deleted from it; it was replaced by a record of the need to purchase fifth-generation 64 fighters.

According to the updated document, in 2020, it is planned to allocate 170 million zlotys (56,2 million dollars) for the purchase of new combat aircraft, and deliveries of new fighters should start in 2021. All deliveries should be completed in the 2030 year, and in the first years I will deliver two vehicles per year, and then gradually increase to four and six units of equipment per year, respectively. From the beginning of the supply of fighters Poland will pay for them at 350 zł million per year.

Polish economists believe that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy.
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  1. svetlomor
    svetlomor April 24 2014 20: 27
    +43
    They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.
    1. mad
      mad April 24 2014 20: 31
      +26
      Logs realized that soon competitors from western Ukraine would appear in their highly profitable business of cleaning European toilets. So it's time to defend your national interests!
      1. elmi
        elmi April 24 2014 21: 55
        +12
        Polish economists believe that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy.

        Should we ban the import of Polish goods into Russia, soon Poland’s intentions with the purchase of the F-35 will turn into dreams.
        1. Ramadan
          Ramadan April 24 2014 22: 01
          +5
          Yes, these are empty words. You can not even strain.
        2. jjj
          jjj April 24 2014 22: 04
          +4
          America knows how to make its vassals spend money on strengthening the sovereign economy
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich April 25 2014 05: 54
            +1
            Quote: jjj
            America knows how to make its vassals spend money on strengthening the sovereign economy

            yes I completely agree, the next proposal from which it is impossible to refuse. hi
        3. Spnsr
          Spnsr April 24 2014 22: 10
          +10
          Quote: elmi
          Polish economists believe that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy.

          Should we ban the import of Polish goods into Russia, soon Poland’s intentions with the purchase of the F-35 will turn into dreams.

          buying Polish, finance pin.dos.ov, eating at McDonald's, finance another bombing of civilians am
      2. avg
        avg April 24 2014 23: 19
        0
        Yes, the logs will have to be drained at tripled speed. laughing
      3. chudoudodelt
        chudoudodelt April 25 2014 15: 45
        0
        hah hah hah (((
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    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 24 2014 20: 32
      +12
      What is happening now in Ukraine and on their conscience .. Russia is not vindictive and yet .. (Pshek amersky planes will not save you .. if that)
      1. atarix
        atarix April 24 2014 21: 59
        +2
        give them these airplanes like dead poultices.
        except that the tax will undermine its own. and only.
        silly.
    4. COLUN
      COLUN April 24 2014 20: 33
      +18
      Quote: svetlomor
      They don’t know what other part of the US z.p.


      Well, that's great!
      The more they spend on meaningless weapons, the better for us!
      We are not going to attack, but it is a problem for them to overcome our layered air defense. So they didn’t scare them, but their economy is a very serious blow !!!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 24 2014 20: 53
        +7
        Hmm .. But the US military budget is rapidly losing weight. Once we have reached the sale of serious aircraft to the poor Polish gopot.
        1. Wanderer H7
          Wanderer H7 April 24 2014 21: 11
          +13
          But what are these serious aircraft ?! This is shit that the Americans are trying to hurry with all their might to at least somehow recoup the costs of research and development and the production of this shit! This vaunted 5th generation American fighter in virtual battles with our SU-35, which is considered to be the 4 ++ generation, loses outright. He loses to such an extent that after spending a dozen of these fights the Americans have classified them, they don’t show anyone (they’ll say they’re winning ... Ha ha ha!))) And if you take into account the price / quality ratio, then the price is really from the plane, and the quality from the subcompact ...
    5. Wiruz
      Wiruz April 24 2014 20: 34
      +3
      You can’t say better good
    6. Alez
      Alez April 24 2014 20: 36
      +11
      The Poles still can not understand that they are feeding someone else's American army. They will roam, but they will acquire as many as 60 aircraft. Which they won’t even be able to fly, normally the watches are expensive, kerosene is also not cheap. They will walk with rags and wipe them and admire their military power
    7. from punk
      from punk April 24 2014 20: 45
      +5
      Quote: svetlomor
      They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

      I saw the arrival of American paratroopers in Poland on TV. Aerial shots from the airfield so the Amer’s airborne marching on the background of the instant 21.60 F-35 are generally a buoyant purchase for the Polish budget? Let them buy in Kaliningrad and work out all their weak points in Belarus
    8. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 24 2014 20: 51
      +5
      I don’t understand this arithmetic: one F-35 costs 100 million. The article says 2 times more:
      A serious problem remains their high price - $ 200 million per fighter

      At the same time
      According to the updated document, in 2020, it is planned to allocate 170 million zlotys (56,2 million dollars) for the purchase of new combat aircraft, and deliveries of new fighters should start in 2021. All deliveries should be completed in the 2030 year, and in the first years I will deliver two vehicles per year, and then gradually increase to four and six units of equipment per year, respectively. From the beginning of the supply of fighters Poland will pay for them at 350 zł million per year.

      That is, they will pay from 56 to 115 million dollars. per year and buy from 2 to 6 aircraft, how is it ??? Complete nonsense.
      1. TEODOR
        TEODOR April 24 2014 21: 11
        +2
        100 million is the minimum configuration))
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg April 24 2014 21: 16
          0
          Quote: TEODOR
          100 million is the minimum configuration))

          I agree, and I am surprised how it is possible, with the maximum planned payment of 115 million per year, to receive a supply of 6 aircraft in the same year and 2 aircraft in previous years (and payments are even less).
          1. Nonik
            Nonik April 24 2014 23: 30
            +1
            Quote: andrewvlg
            I agree, and I am surprised how it is possible, with the maximum planned payment of 115 million per year, to receive a supply of 6 aircraft in the same year and 2 aircraft in previous years (and payments are even less).
            Leasing for 10 years? winked
        2. mad
          mad April 24 2014 21: 23
          +7
          100 million is the minimum configuration))

          Without ABS, cruise and front-wheel drive)))
          1. slovak007
            slovak007 April 24 2014 21: 29
            +2
            Quote: mad
            Without ABS, cruise and front-wheel drive)))

            And also without climate control and without a full-sized spare wheel;)
            But seriously let them spend it, the F-35 does not meet all the parameters presented to the 5th generation aircraft. Yes, in addition to airplanes, it’s also necessary to change the service base, to buy NATO ammunition, retrain personnel, and of course, what else.
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 April 24 2014 22: 43
              0
              Coloring white non-metallic
          2. mpa945
            mpa945 April 24 2014 21: 31
            +1
            And the chassis manually and no power steering
          3. Lars_xiii
            Lars_xiii April 24 2014 21: 45
            +2
            On front wheel drive? What is it like? And with a propeller!
        3. Mishut37rf
          Mishut37rf April 24 2014 21: 46
          +1
          Without windows and air conditioning.
      2. skiff-xnumx
        skiff-xnumx April 25 2014 04: 53
        +1
        I can’t guarantee the reliability, but I read somewhere that 100 lemons of candy wrappers are asked for an airplane without an engine and other equipment (I don’t remember which one). So for a hundred square meters only a monument. Correct if I am mistaken.
    9. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 April 24 2014 22: 46
      0
      Quote: svetlomor
      They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

      In Poland, apparently there is nowhere to put money.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 25 2014 01: 52
        +1
        Quote: GRANATE-19
        In Poland, apparently there is nowhere to put money.

        Then a couple of weeks ago the phrase "If you want to ruin a small developing country - give it a cruiser" flashed across. And here is not even a gift, but a sale. And 60 aircraft of the 5th generation will probably cost no less than a cruiser in operation. Nu-nu ...
    10. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 April 24 2014 22: 46
      0
      Quote: svetlomor
      They don’t even know what other part of the US z.p.

      In Poland, apparently there is nowhere to put money.
  2. GRDS
    GRDS April 24 2014 20: 27
    +7
    Hde money Zin .... Pshee ki themselves barely barely make ends meet)))
    1. mad
      mad April 24 2014 20: 34
      +3
      But this is not a reason to reduce the Light Elf's standard of living; logs can also tighten belts.
    2. Predator
      Predator April 24 2014 20: 35
      +3
      So they are on credit, only who will serve them? The United States will not give attendance to this!
  3. Duke
    Duke April 24 2014 20: 28
    +6
    A serious problem remains their high price - $ 200 million per fighter without additional equipment.

    Where did the money come from? Or only on paper, in plans.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 24 2014 20: 34
      +11
      Quote: Duke
      Where did the money come from? Or only on paper, in plans.

      Gazprom !!!! Urgently !!!! Polenev got extra babos !!!! Do not pass by !!! laughing
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz April 24 2014 20: 37
      +1
      They will barter the F-35 to deploy missile defense. How much do the Yankees pay for missile defense?
  4. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 24 2014 20: 28
    +10
    If necessary, let them buy ... SU-35 will make them anyway ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev April 24 2014 20: 58
      0
      And not only the Su-35 is the only one we live in. PAK YES is already undergoing tests, and the final is already obvious.
      1. Lars_xiii
        Lars_xiii April 24 2014 21: 55
        +3
        Excuse me, are you confusing anything? PAK YES is a long-range bomber and it is only being designed. Probably you mean PAK FA?
        1. Basarev
          Basarev April 25 2014 16: 07
          0
          It seems that I actually mixed up the letter, but this does not change the essence - the final test of the PAK FA is already obvious.
  5. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. April 24 2014 20: 29
    +9
    If the Poles have extra money, let them buy it. Maybe some realties will fly to us by accident, let our people study this "miracle of technology". laughing
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 April 24 2014 20: 43
      +2
      smile And then in MONINO him. Let the kids look.
    2. smart Fox
      smart Fox April 24 2014 20: 59
      +7
      one has already flown near Smolensk, still snot of sorrow from the face will not be erased. So he was not so clever, but with those who will be managed by them. Born to crawl (or lick, as you like) can not fly.
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 April 24 2014 20: 30
    +5
    "Polish economists are confident that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy."

    Exactly. Where is the money, Zin? Of course, I want a cool toy, but why? ..
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 24 2014 20: 33
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      Exactly. Where is the money, Zin? Of course, I want a cool toy, but why? ..

      Why? The United States was ordered, the Psheks were taken under the visor! And that the plane does not fly, it’s even better to save on fuel!
    2. sub307
      sub307 April 24 2014 20: 46
      +1
      Then, at least in order to more reliably "tie" NATO to the United States, perhaps for the planned replacement of outdated Soviet technology. But more than 60 pieces of F-35, it's too cool. They will give money, of course.
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  7. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 24 2014 20: 31
    +9
    I read an article about the flawed F-35, even compared to our 4 ++, I do not know how true. Americans are promoting their baroque around the world.
    And the Poles were foolish morons, they’ll die too.
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 24 2014 20: 43
      +3
      Quote: Little Muck
      And the Poles were foolish morons, they’ll die too.

      Yusovtsy Pshekam and M16 were able to vparit! Although Kalash from Poland, at least zh.p.poy
  8. 0255
    0255 April 24 2014 20: 31
    +6
    Poland decided: it needs American fighter jets of 5 generation

    Did Poshusha decide, or is it the States?
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm April 24 2014 20: 50
      +3
      Quote: 0255
      Did Poshusha decide, or is it the States?

      The overlord needs to collect money from the vassals, but since we have a type of democracy in the world, we need a screen-purchase of modern US fighters.
  9. TurboSloN
    TurboSloN April 24 2014 20: 31
    +6
    They will sell half of Poland and buy heels f35, well, or as a junta through sms they will collect all together in one plane.
  10. Nester
    Nester April 24 2014 20: 31
    +4
    Or maybe it was for Poland decided by friends from across the ocean? Like, look what’s going on, Russia is boundless. You can't survive without a 5th generation fighter ...
    1. Predator
      Predator April 24 2014 20: 38
      +2
      If there is a mess, then they cannot survive with them!
  11. Naval
    Naval April 24 2014 20: 31
    +3
    As in an old toast: "I want to buy a cow, but there is no opportunity, I can buy a goat, but there is no desire. So let's drink to the fact that our opportunities always coincide with our desires!" drinks
  12. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 24 2014 20: 33
    +2
    For some reason, I became completely disappointed in the Poles. Maybe it's time to cancel "Eternal Peace With Poland"?
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 24 2014 20: 48
      +8
      Quote: Wiruz
      Maybe it's time to cancel "Eternal Peace With Poland"?

      And when did we sign it? belay
      It’s time to create the Warsaw’s general-governorship, to appoint Zhirinovsky as the governor .... they stand each other. wassat
      Well, now, seriously ... If Poland would really be interested in acquiring normal, sufficiently capable equipment, they would have turned to Sweden for Grippen, the maintenance of this machine is within her power ... But no, the scoundrels imagine themselves to be the power she is is not more than 400 years. The purchase of the F-35 for them is an image thing, so to speak, joining the club of "advanced" Western powers. I only suspect that these planes will be locked in hangars, and the logs will drive excursions and be proud of what good fellows they are ...
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 24 2014 21: 21
        +1
        But the Poles had a chance to arm themselves with decent aircraft - if they had remained loyal to us, as in the Soviet years, then they would have bought Su-30, or maybe even Su-35, from Russia. Of course, truncated export options, but it’s better than the American ridicule. It is even possible that they would be partners in the development of the PAK FA, as the Indians are now working with us. Of course, even the Indians will not receive the full-format PAK FA, but about the fifth generation the Indians will receive. The Poles could turn out the same number, but they preferred disown tskogo past and Russian present.
      2. Kasym
        Kasym April 24 2014 21: 29
        +7
        Hello, Sergey ! Yes, let them take, the golden penguin. All this will seriously affect the economy of Poland. Although of all the countries of Eastern Europe, the Poles are the most prosperous. But for ten years now, they have been making some loud, but empty statements. The Poles are clearly "on the hook" in Washington. They have not had a single normal national leader lately. All are pro-Western. The hangover will be hard.
        Poland is somewhat reminiscent of Ukraine. On the one hand, they perfectly understand the dependence on energy carriers (without which there is nowhere) on Russia, on the other hand, they do everything to bite the Russian Federation more painfully, so vilely, out of tune. fool
        The F-35, judging by the electronics and novelty, will be expensive to maintain. Burst what computer. detail - change everything. On the other hand, Russian specialists will "enlighten" him up and down. bully ... Then we'll see what kind of super-duper stealth he is. And they will draw their own conclusions - how and what to butt with him. We already know that the wrapper (advertisement) of the "candy" can be beautiful, but the candy (product) itself is gov.om.
        Too controversial aircraft turned out. hi
  13. Grenz
    Grenz April 24 2014 20: 33
    +5
    They still have not paid for the mortar.
    It seems that Psheks, like Ukrainians, are lovers of loans and then do not give them back.
    Horseradish with them, do not buy from us. Each plane reduces the standard of living of the Poles. But not for us to worry in this case.
  14. starik80
    starik80 April 24 2014 20: 33
    +5
    This is fantastic, for Poland with its huge budget. Well then, as in the saying:
    - "If you want to undermine the economy of a small state - Give her a cruiser"
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda April 24 2014 20: 48
      +6
      Better "Missouri" ..
      1. Lars_xiii
        Lars_xiii April 24 2014 21: 58
        0
        Or Yamato. Self-pickup.
  15. spech
    spech April 24 2014 20: 34
    +2
    Experts believe that any decision to purchase the F-35 will be the result of pressure from the United States.

    someone doubted it?
  16. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 24 2014 20: 34
    +2
    The Polish budget will be torn. A hernia will crawl out from so many F-35.
  17. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 24 2014 20: 35
    +2
    Poland all shit but loves to pick up. If only it was American.
  18. Ulairy
    Ulairy April 24 2014 20: 35
    +9
    [i] Polish economists are confident that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy. [i]
    Don't listen, don't listen to these eggheads! Buy More Flying Buckets of the 5th Generation! Russia is coming! Do not look that there are no "additional equipment" on them, the Poles should not look at the devices, but only in the eyes of their enemy !!! Catapults not working? To bail out is alarmism and shame! Urrya, to the Polish "hawks", urrya to American aid!
    (but denyuzhki, still push forward (at least for a quarter of the plane, well, or at least for the wing). Our striped friends really need your zloty). Pffhhhhh, lol !. lol
  19. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K April 24 2014 20: 36
    +3
    In this way, the US helps itself and its economy. Poland is a member of NATO and the United States will command these aircraft. If all NATO countries buy modern weapons from the USA, this will help the US economy and America do not need to create them for themselves. Those. no need to have a bloated budget due to armaments.
  20. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum April 24 2014 20: 39
    +8
    In addition, to completely squeeze the Poles, oblige them to buy an aircraft carrier. How clairvoyant without an aircraft carrier? Suddenly Russia will attack?
  21. storm wind
    storm wind April 24 2014 20: 40
    +5
    You look at all the mess that is happening in the world and you just get fucked up by those who do not have an independent independent reasonable policy. Everywhere the Americans launched their tentacles .. It’s necessary to chop off!
    Only Russia, in my opinion, has a healthy head. If we had a good fifth burn pillar ..
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 16
      +2
      >> If only the fifth column had been thoroughly burned ...

      Since August 2014, they will not be able to say anything anywhere.
  22. mvv
    mvv April 24 2014 20: 40
    +4
    buy a squadron of such prodigies and sleep peacefully. just like an amulet from aggression straight from the USA. pah -.
  23. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 24 2014 20: 41
    +4
    I'm the same fucking, with a bare ass on a hedgehog !!! here from Father’s Sushki and Russian piss, they still f-35 .. laughing Well, we all will be fine - Psheks without panties will remain in the appropriate position.
  24. Sergei75
    Sergei75 April 24 2014 20: 42
    +1
    "... it is planned to allocate 170 million zlotys (56,2 million dollars) .... From the beginning of the supply of fighters, Poland will pay 350 million zlotys a year for them .... the price is $ 200 million for one fighter"

    I don’t understand someone, they will pay 110 Baku lyamas per year (at best), the plane costs 200, the program is for 10 years, it turns out 1/2 fighter a year and then 5, but somehow the remaining 55 (rolled up the lip on 60)?
    Or is it a seed before bidding? Like, here we want to take the super-duper A-35, and here you are offering your 4 ++, just throw off the little one, and we will take it ...
  25. Obliterator
    Obliterator April 24 2014 20: 42
    +3
    Not so well the Yankees vassals their denyuzhku bred. Super Hornets (who are 3-4 times cheaper, but they can do the same thing) these Poles would be enough for the eyes, so no, you need to buy the most expensive toy.

    It remains to persuade Ukraine to buy them to complete the picture.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 15
      0
      >> Super Hornets (which are 3-4 times cheaper, but can do the same thing)

      No, the F-35 is cooler. It is not for nothing that the supers will be decommissioned and changed to f-35c on aircraft carriers.
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator April 24 2014 21: 36
        0
        Unlike Hornet, he did not prove his coolness. Surely he’s not worth so much. and wait a while, the Boeing will finish the Silent Hornet modification, and in general, big grandmas will not pay for F35.
        1. ar-ren
          ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 38
          0
          >> wait a minute more Boeing will finish the Silent Hornet modification,

          Only Eagle, not Hornet! And yes, according to the results of the comparison of Silent Needle and F-35, Korea chose the 35th.
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator April 25 2014 01: 47
            0
            It is Hornet, not Eagle. Here in VO already wrote about him. This is Boeing’s response to the F35. And Australia abandoned the F35 in favor of the Super Hornet. And for sure it will not be the only one, because in favor of the new Hornets there is also the fact that customers, in principle, are already familiar with him, are able to exploit.
  26. jurikberlin
    jurikberlin April 24 2014 20: 42
    +4
    do not buy Polish goods and they even do not overpower the wing from these barrel-grinders.
  27. Indifferent
    Indifferent April 24 2014 20: 42
    +4
    The F-35 is a serious car. Now it is customary to write nonsense about her. And the glider has drawbacks. But the electronics on this machine will be very serious. According to advertising data, nothing close has yet been created in the world. Maybe "Khibiny-U" and is able to disable it (electronics), but so far no one has checked it.
    As for Poland, the worse it will have with the economy, the better! I do not like people who are sold to those who pay the most. And just such people live in Poland. So letting go broke on fighter jets. Then they also need to be serviced. Also not cheap.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev April 24 2014 21: 30
      +2
      Perhaps the electronics on the F-35 are really notable. Whatever one may say, but the Americans ate a dog on electronics. But nevertheless, in terms of speed and maneuverability, it should be admitted: we furnished them. It is worth remembering at least the famous "pancake", which only our Sushki know how But this is not the most difficult figure that only our aircraft can handle. So the F-35, although cool, is still not the coolest.
      1. ar-ren
        ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 35
        0
        >> It is worth remembering at least the famous "pancake", which only our Sushki know how to do.

        In training battles MiG-29 vs f-16, as soon as our MiGs began to "aerobat", they were immediately shot down by F-16s. According to the results of training battles, "aerobatics" was banned.
        1. Sergei75
          Sergei75 April 24 2014 22: 08
          +1
          Quote: 120352
          , which exhausted itself, but did not justify itself, then gouging Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, the United States not only did not raise its status, but created the prerequisites that now they will have to pay for all this, but there is no money!


          And what do you mean by money, if gold - then yes, but if Baku, then they will still print and you yourself answered your question.

          In general, an interesting conclusion is obtained that explains everything that happens, Baku is not provided with gold or other valuable material, it is provided by the poverty of peoples, the worse things are in the country, and the better in the world the acre of the United States and Britain - the more Baku is needed, respectively, their lack appears, accordingly, the price is rising! The United States is a scavenger, the more suffering there is, the more satisfying their lunch!
          1. 120352
            120352 April 25 2014 12: 43
            0
            strgei75
            Baku - they are priceless! Those. they do not have a price, and if so, they do not cost anything. Well, maybe like waste paper. So, with their rapid proliferation of the US Federal Reserve System, their "invaluable" value will even more depreciate, despite the noodles hung by American financiers on the ears of addicts.
            Yes, and gold - the equivalent of value is very relative. It is hard to chew and it is digested badly.
            In fact, at the turn of the 60/70 years of the last century, mankind from industrial civilization passed into information civilization and today it is information, and not gold, whether bucks, that can become a cost equivalent.
            See who wins the war? One who has useful information and has the skill to spread false (false as a dollar) information among the opponent.
            Why, more precisely, due to which did the countries of Southeast Asia (Japan, Korea, Thailand, etc.) make an economic breakthrough? Not at the expense of Baku, but at the expense of information and informatics and its effective applications. Japan itself is buying up globally unpromising inventions (such as a perpetual motion machine) so as not to waste resources on false search paths.
            The adversary is different. Bet on the dollar, which we have already estimated: cellulose with paint. And they caught most of the world on this pulp. The world is sobering, so the adversary’s income will fall. This is very brief so as not to clutter up the resource.
        2. Aleks_good
          Aleks_good April 25 2014 01: 51
          0
          I am a deletant. why uncle ar-ren minus slammed?
        3. Aleks_good
          Aleks_good April 25 2014 01: 51
          0
          I am a deletant. why uncle ar-ren minus slammed?
    2. Tektor
      Tektor April 24 2014 22: 10
      +1
      The F-35 is a serious car.

      On paper, but they forgot about the ravines ... Cracks in the center section glider, wandering and incurable depressurization of the cockpit when climbing above 4000 m, and the "frenzy of an electronic pilot" that has not been healed for many years ...
      And so "serious": must AT THE SAME TIME to attack up to 16 ground targets ... B-2 and F-22 - only up to 8 ...
  28. Children BuryKonya
    Children BuryKonya April 24 2014 20: 43
    +2
    The Americans are actively moving their 35th: first, Australia, now Poland, so all satellites sat down on their machines.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 14
      +1
      He had been planning for export from the very beginning.
  29. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 24 2014 20: 43
    0
    Let them buy, spend the budget, instead of cooperating. Our pilots are definitely better!
  30. vvp2412
    vvp2412 April 24 2014 20: 44
    +2
    Sorry, of course, but in Poland you forgot how to count ?!
    First they plan to allocate 50 lyamov (i.e., 1 / 4 aircraft without the cost of additional equipment and maintenance), and then they plan to allocate 100 lyamov per year (i.e., according to 1 / 2 aircraft cost). 60 planes - it turns out 120 years must be paid at 1 / 2 cost !?

    Doesn't this deal seem strange to anyone !? :)
  31. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 24 2014 20: 45
    +4
    It will not help them!
  32. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov April 24 2014 20: 48
    +4
    It is very alarming that the Americans, so it’s easy to get there, are selling the latest aircraft. There is a vague doubt that something is wrong with them, well, I do not believe that Americans can really push things worthwhile abroad, especially army ones, especially to some Poles, they really do not really consider them for people. Although Brzezinski deeply inhales the aromas of their asses.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 13
      +2
      >> It is very alarming that the Americans are so easily some kind of Poland, they are selling the latest aircraft.

      From the very beginning, the F-35 was planned for export to anyone. His cooler brother, f-22, on the contrary, will not be exported.
      1. Lyubimov
        Lyubimov April 24 2014 21: 39
        +3
        Well, you have confirmed my guesses, it means they are selling very expensive scrap metal smile
      2. Tektor
        Tektor April 24 2014 22: 17
        +1
        f-22 - on the contrary, it will not be exported.
        With the Fu-22 - it turns out quite ugly: they don’t sell it to anyone, so that the truth will not be clarified - how much it is supposedly 5 generations. Fu-22 - no luck: it began to be developed on the eve of the rapid progress of computer technology. And it was developed when 386 processors began to change to 486 and the first Pentiums. That scrap metal riveted at the price of gold. So, now it’s a shame to demonstrate it.
  33. leo44
    leo44 April 24 2014 20: 49
    +1
    Shlyakhistan unambiguously involved in the Maidan. I think in many ways hats are trying to powder ordinary Ukrainians. Everyone is trying to pull up Western Ukraine. Everyone is blowing into the NATO dudu, led by Brzezinski. They still can’t forgive the feat of Ivan Susanin for Russia - they still sharpen their teeth, as if to screw Russia up. Get out in the Patriotic War - they were also going to move together with the Fuhrer to the USSR and snatch Kusman - broke off.
  34. maksim
    maksim April 24 2014 20: 51
    +3
    buy buy, by this time in Belarus T-50 squadrons will grow
  35. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 24 2014 20: 55
    +3
    Amazing! Okay, here in Ukraine there are Kashchenko patients in the government. Is it the same in Polyandia, or is it a virus ..
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 12
      +1
      Just afraid of our PAK FA.
  36. Vasya Ko
    Vasya Ko April 24 2014 20: 55
    +4
    Maximum speed: about 1900 km / h (about 1200 mph or 1,6 M with full weapons in the internal compartments) 1,2 M without turning on the afterburner [85]
    Cruising speed: 850 km / h (0,8 M) Are these the characteristics of a fifth generation fighter? Our trash is even faster.
  37. Lesorub
    Lesorub April 24 2014 20: 57
    +2
    Poles in any case need to update their air force. In the recent past, they bought small quantities of regular F 16s (which no longer meet modern requirements), and the choice of the F 35 was clearly made under pressure from "partners", because the purchase of the F 35 for the Polish budget is clearly a difficult decision! (YES, even in such an amount, except to stretch 5-6 cars per year)
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 10
      +1
      >> And the choice of the F 35 was clearly made under pressure from "partners", because the purchase of the F 35 for the Polish budget is clearly a difficult decision!

      Strictly speaking, there’s nothing more to buy! If you keep in mind the possibility of war with the PAK FA.
    2. spech
      spech April 24 2014 21: 52
      0
      After all, the purchase of F 35 for the budget of Poland is clearly a difficult decision!

      plus the cost of infrastructure and maintenance (also not sickly for the dough will come out)
  38. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you April 24 2014 20: 57
    +1
    Yes, let God take it ... There will be something to train for us in Belarus ....
  39. Afinogen
    Afinogen April 24 2014 20: 58
    +2
    Polish economists believe that such spending can significantly undermine the state of the Polish economy.


    They will buy planes, and teeth on the shelf laughing
  40. Gvozdovsky
    Gvozdovsky April 24 2014 21: 00
    +2
    Hmm, I wonder how many proud wheat can buy the F-35? winked As much as one and a half or even (to walk so to walk) as many as two will be able to buy ?! wassat
  41. theadenter
    theadenter April 24 2014 21: 02
    0
    Oh laughed at. Well, why does Poland need such excess aircraft?
    Hang out?
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 07
      0
      Afraid of PAK FA. Only something f-35 / f-22 will work against PAK FA.
    2. Militia
      Militia April 24 2014 23: 08
      0
      Completely in the hole hit without aiming. good
  42. ar-ren
    ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 03
    +1
    Quote: Basarev
    Hmm .. But the US military budget is rapidly losing weight. Once we have reached the sale of serious aircraft to the poor Polish gopot.


    F-35 from the very beginning was intended for sale abroad.
  43. nvn_co
    nvn_co April 24 2014 21: 04
    +3
    First, let the wife grow up on the operation of a 5th generation aircraft. And then in some ports, like a dog on a leash from the EU and the USA, but they talk about the 5th generation exterminator. L-39! Not more!!! Yes, and he will kill Poles ...
  44. semuil
    semuil April 24 2014 21: 08
    +1
    Desires, of course, are astronomical, naivetokskrutobkobkzhelozhemuemu.Nu well, cool straight.
  45. Velesovich
    Velesovich April 24 2014 21: 13
    +4
    $ 200 million for a car whose capabilities are still questionable. Given that, for example, the MiG-29SMT costs about 1 billion rubles under a recently concluded contract, or $ 30 million. Even if we calculate the ratio as 1 to 6, it turns out that the Americans are making good money on their "allies". As for the combat capabilities, it seems to me much more likely the victory of six MiGs over one F-35 than vice versa)) Although, maybe I'm wrong? Still not an expert :)
  46. Valkh
    Valkh April 24 2014 21: 13
    +1
    If there was money, I would also buy myself !!! - go to the cottage !!! laughing
  47. sv68
    sv68 April 24 2014 21: 15
    +1
    Poland’s little things — let them buy three hundred F35 in one batch for each of four ammunition and run to the contented ones in the Stone Age angry angry
  48. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA April 24 2014 21: 17
    +1
    lit up trap. from whom will they defend themselves? from Ukraine?
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 21
      +1
      >> lit a lohushku. from whom will they defend themselves? from Ukraine?

      From Russian PAK FA.
  49. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX April 24 2014 21: 18
    +2
    Like a fish needs a bicycle?
  50. ar-ren
    ar-ren April 24 2014 21: 19
    0
    Quote: Velesovic
    With regard to combat capabilities, it seems to me that the victory of six MiGs over one F-35 is much more likely than vice versa)) Although, maybe I'm wrong? Still not an expert :)


    In 2006, the Americans conducted the F-22 vs. all the rest. F-22s "killed" 204 enemy aircraft, losing 2 of their own.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz April 24 2014 21: 56
      0
      having lost 2 of his own.

      Having lost in battle with whom? Yes, and 204 aircraft, isn’t it too much? Where did they get so many? Or was IL-2 also lined up against the Raptor?
    2. Lars_xiii
      Lars_xiii April 24 2014 22: 33
      +1
      The exercises were conducted in conditions most favorable for the F-22. These exercises must have shown the enormous advantage of the fifth generation over the previous ones, otherwise how to advertise and sell the F-35? It is strange that there were losses in general. F-22 car is certainly serious, but not as much as trying to file it. Minus not mine smile