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Engine building - strength test

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Engine building - strength test
Victor M. Chuiko, President of Assad



April 18 in Moscow ended the first International Engine Forum MFD-2014. This is the direct heir to the Engines salon, which everyone is used to. They were held once every two years, “through” the MAKS, mainly due to the ascetic activities of the Association of Aircraft Engine Building Association (ASSAD), headed by permanent president Viktor Chuyko. But today, due to the complication of relations between Russia and Ukraine, there was a feeling that aviation (first of all) engine building is tested for strength.

Cooperation operation

Salon "Engines" ahead of MAKS, the first was held in 1990, under the motto "Give me the conversion!". More grinders, juicers, mini-tractors and other non-core products to the national economy from the aviation industry. In 1992, this nonsense was forgotten - the question arose of the survival of the country's most high-tech enterprises. Assad is also a product of the collapse of the USSR. If we discard everything that is written down in the organization’s tasks and isolate the main goal, then it becomes clear that the ASSAD was created at the time of the collapse of the Land of the Soviets as a counterweight to the centrifugal political forces. No wonder that V. Chuiko, who headed the association, has been in charge of engine building since 1984 as deputy minister of the aviation industry. And you can not deceive yourself, parading the membership in the ASSAD of firms from the USA, France, Germany and Canada - it pleases the eye, but nothing more. It was fundamentally important to preserve the production and scientific cooperation of hundreds of enterprises of the aviation complex of Russia with Belarus and Ukraine. And Ukraine in the first place. One had only to break the thin and fragile web of industrial relations due to the political ambitions of the authorities, and hundreds of large enterprises would have collapsed into oblivion, having irretrievably buried their own aircraft and helicopters from scratch under their own fragments of technology. When the aviation industry was built in the USSR, they were guided solely by pragmatic concepts, not really looking at the maps of the administrative and territorial division of the country. One of the most striking examples is that overnight the Moscow Ilyushin Design Bureau is left without the largest and basic aircraft factory. Tapo them. V.P. Chkalov, then building the Il-76 and Il-114, remained abroad, in Uzbekistan. Now Ukraine has become a headache for everyone.

Help "AN": ENGINEERING CENTER

Location - Moscow. 51% retains the JDC, 49% - Motor Sich JSC and Ivchenko-Progress state-owned enterprise. The task is the joint development of promising aircraft and helicopter engines. To have certificates for these engines, the parties will be in equal shares. In Zaporozhye, UEC representatives selected eight new engines, for further work on them, certification and production within the framework of a joint engineering center. Probably, the 5 generation engine D-27 (from the An-70) and its promising version of the AI-727 - harnessed, ultra-high bypass ratio, with a fan drive through the gearbox, were among them. This is the future of civil aviation. Excellent traction with high efficiency.

Its counterpart in Russia, NK-93, twice as powerful, ready for production ten years ago, turned out to be unnecessary and gathering dust in the warehouse of OAO Kuznetsov. He made three test flight. Officials of the Ministry of Industry and Trade claim that there is no aircraft for it, it is a technology demonstrator, the engine is outdated and needs to be modernized. So upgrade! Or give the groundwork to the Ukrainians within the Center. Unless, of course, Kiev does not break the wood.


In spite of my mother froze my ears

Immediately caught my eye - the most prominent and important guest, Hero of Ukraine and President of the Motor Sich JSC of Zaporozhye Vyacheslav Boguslaev, as usual, impetuous and loud, unusually closed. He, a fantastically energetic man, was not embarrassed in the past by the Yushchenko-Tymoshenko’s “Pomeranchevaya Revolution”, he was optimistic, even when euromaidan sent curses towards Moscow, did a “good mine in a bad game” when Crimea rushed into the arms of Russia. He always stood firm on his own - the Ukrainian aviation industry is untenable outside cooperation with Russian institutions and enterprises. And with all his strength he fought for this very cooperation, overcoming obstacles both in Russia and in Ukraine. He is a politician, businessman, designer and technologist of the highest level, always thinking in strategic categories, ahead of time, other politicians and Russian officials. President Yanukovych gives press conferences in Rostov-on-Don, First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Vitaly Yarema announces in early April that he intends to stop military-technical cooperation with Russia. But Boguslaev, know his oppression, speaks about the creation in Moscow of a joint engineering center for engine building.

But today, a disturber of peace and, perhaps, a greater patriot of Russian aviation than many leaders of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) and the United Engine Building Corporation (UEC) (I emphasize, this is purely my personal opinion), events in southeastern Ukraine leaned on the unbearable press, in Zaporozhye. I am sure that the Kiev authorities and the “maydanous patriots” of all stripes put pressure on Boguslaev. It is enough to look at the publications in the Ukrainian press: “Whatever the justification, the Zaporozhye company Motor Sich closely cooperates with the aggressor.” This is about the international forum opened at the All-Russia Exhibition Center. By the way, prosecutors are unaware that the MFD-2014 is announced as a forum in the field of civil engine construction. But it is written correctly, according to ITAR-TASS. Especially for warming up the supporters of European integration, the article contains the words of Boguslaev, said not yesterday, but much earlier:

- Events in Ukraine do not affect the implementation of existing bilateral contractual obligations.

I will not restrain a couple of comments on the article; The first was a boorish character, hiding under the glorious nickname "KB Progress":

- Oh. Motor slaves woke up ... help Ukraine, not parachka. And then happiness will be all. And then because of the motor (...) parachke give all Zaporozhye. Export production to (...) in the Urals and yourself (...) (in the sense of "leave." - Approx. Ed.)

Replies to "CB Progress" some Noname, spoke about the "slaves of Motory":

- You, the woodpecker, do not understand that the sale of Russian engines is the help to Ukraine. Help with money that pays for engines, help with jobs at the plant and taxes to the treasury. You have completely gone crazy with his Svidomo.

It is worth noting that even the most pragmatically minded citizens do not cite a murderous argument in defense of the cooperation of Ukrainian enterprises with the Russian side - most of the equipment of the same aircraft and helicopter engines, aggregates, special alloys, materials for the “hot part”, bearings come from Russia. Without them, to do something and sell is impossible. So cooperation for Motor Sich is a matter of the existence of an enterprise. This is a response to the fact that “they say, we have enough exports to third countries.” Yes, out of about a thousand engines produced in Zaporozhye, only 400 is sent directly to Russia every year. But without supplies from Russia, the massive export of Ukrainian engines will turn into a category of painful nostalgic memories. Everyone will be sad.

PD-14 - light in the window

If Russia tense up, then, according to the statement of Deputy Prime Minister D. Rogozin, in the extreme case, in two years, it will ensure independence from Independence Square. Of course we will lose something. For example, the replacement of D-18T engines for the heavy-duty An-124 "Ruslan" in Russia does not exist in principle. And in Zaporizhia, its modernization of the 4 series is almost ready - it has become more powerful, more economical, more environmentally friendly, and meets international noise requirements. To make an analogy - to spend many billions and at least a decade. The leaders of the UEC now had to think hard. General Director Vladislav Masalov voiced his concerns:

- In the new conditions, it is necessary to focus on the possibility of creating an engine for a heavy transport aircraft.

And then he doubted:

- The An-124 aircraft fleet is relatively small, so you need to weigh the pros and cons.

From myself I would add - the lack of high-power engines in the production line of the UEC played “against” the wide-body IL-96, which came out on the line in a “shortened” form. And if Russia had engines with 35 – 40 tons, then our Airbus could well become a hit - two engines instead of four are always preferable in terms of operator costs and fuel consumption. The twin-engine IL-76 would also look good. Huge "Lun" ekranoplanes, whose construction is periodically threatened to resume, with such three or four particularly powerful engines (instead of 8!) Would become much more attractive for the military and not only. Western manufacturers have relatively recently come to taste and build "forty-ton". Thanks to them, the giant Airbus A380, the innovative Dreamliner, the Boeing 787, are rising. We have an engine with tons of 44 existed in the drawings back in 1992 year, in Samara, the general designer ND. Kuznetsova. Planned it on the "Super Airbus" Tupolev Design Bureau. But that time was not the best for breakthrough developments - there is no engine, no aircraft.

The motor has always been the most complex and high-tech part of the aircraft. Hundreds of beautiful aircraft of the most eminent designers of the whole world remained in the category of “prototypes” - the engines promised by the engine builders either didn’t bring to mind the reliability or did not deliver the declared characteristics.

At the UEC stand, Perm engine builders were pleased - the promising PD ‑ 14 was already in hardware. In the year 2015 will proceed to flight tests. There is a chance that they will have time to “cling” to the promising airliner MC-21. The new engine corresponds in performance to the most advanced world hits in its power class. They made a helicopter version of TV7-117В, it will be installed on the new Mi-38. The creators claim that they got the characteristics better than planned, exceeded the performance of the Pratt & Whitney engines installed on the first samples of the helicopter. In general, the worked out “before the ringing” of the reliability of the TV7-117 is the dream of the creators of the IL-114 regional turboprop type (turboprop) aircraft, the Il-112 light transport vehicles. Will - will not? We'll see…
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  1. Lenochka
    Lenochka April 25 2014 14: 28
    -29%
    To those who still praise Putin: "Novosibirsk physicists began to make billions on prestigious orders from Americans and Germans - and now they threaten the government with emigration"

    http://news.ngs.ru/more/1788011/

    Here, many people like to write that we’ll wipe the nose of the Americans. And the Americans, meanwhile, are buying up our Novosibirsk scientists. And no matter how we wiped our nose with our own hands.
    1. Smiles to you
      Smiles to you April 25 2014 14: 42
      +14
      And what about Putin? Or are you looking for a switchman? Maybe this is Putin, organized the Maidan? Maybe this is Putin, ordered to shoot at the Golden Eagle? Do not carry nonsense ...
      Let not, right away, but our defense industry is getting up from its knees. Some people, of course, are not satisfied with this. Something does not suit you, no one keeps you from Russia ...
      Barack at Bam, waiting for you .... hi
      1. Lenochka
        Lenochka April 25 2014 14: 48
        -3
        You didn’t open my link, but ask why. Everything is written there. I did not write about the Maidan and the Golden Eagle, do not blame me for this.
        And why should I bring down from my homeland if someone in the government pursues an anti-people policy? It has already been said that the homeland and the government are not the same thing.
        1. Lenochka
          Lenochka April 25 2014 14: 59
          +1
          "Russian President Vladimir Putin promised to give money for it back in 2011. In 2012, the Russian government promised to allocate money - but only on the terms of co-financing with foreigners. Then in 2013, Vladimir Putin returned to the topic, recalling that these are the installations "They allow us to achieve qualitative breakthroughs" in science. "Unfortunately, there is no progress. The decision on the implementation of projects of mega-installations has not been made, they continue to request documents from us," the scientific secretary of the institute complains in 2014.

          The INP Deputy Director read out an appeal to the government to journalists. “We have everything to do a large accelerator project in Russia. And if our guys, who have trained on foreign projects, see that there is nothing here, they will involuntarily diffuse in the direction where such projects are being made, "he stated."
          1. Ivan Petrovich
            Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 15: 24
            +3
            I also did not understand something, and here the Maidan :) but the head of the government (who he was) and the president are to blame for the collapse of the education and science systems!
          2. varov14
            varov14 April 25 2014 15: 55
            +1
            So you can’t prove the need for your development, toothless? You must also be able to move your elbows, not just your head.
        2. Smiles to you
          Smiles to you April 25 2014 15: 11
          +3
          Criticize and support, different concepts !!!
          Your criticism is not clear to me. Is Putin to blame?
          It is necessary. calmly understand what the essence of the problem and its solution ..
          And do not yell. Putin is like that, Putin is like that !!!
          Believe me, I’m not a loafer, but I blame the head of the State on everything ... ???
          Moreover, look what is happening outside the "window" ... with Uv ...
          R.S. I didn’t open your link ...
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          2. alexng
            alexng April 25 2014 15: 38
            +2
            Was there a boy? In an Internet, a lot of fans fart in the water. There, it seems, they began to cut the unclean on the hand.
        3. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 25 2014 15: 11
          +4
          In the comments to the link, it is clearly stated that the leadership of the institute itself is dishonest. What does Putin have to do with it? On the spot, one must begin to resolve the issue, and only then to Putin.
        4. Setrac
          Setrac April 25 2014 17: 54
          +1
          Quote: Lenochka
          And why should I bring down from my homeland if someone in the government pursues an anti-people policy? It has already been said that the homeland and the government are not the same thing.

          Because you're right here, on this site you are betraying your homeland.
        5. Oml
          Oml April 25 2014 17: 56
          +1
          And what is any return on all this, not in the distant future, now? Not for the sake of bullying - for the sake of interest. Billions were also allocated Russian money to the LHC - 0 returns.
          1. saag
            saag April 25 2014 19: 05
            0
            Quote: OML
            And what is any return on all this, not in the distant future, now?

            basic research will not immediately give an effect, because what they discovered still needs to understand how to use
      2. Intensive
        Intensive April 25 2014 16: 32
        -9
        Yes, under Putin, the collapse of the defense continued, and Serdyukov was also the Ministry of Defense when Putin was chairman of the government. They gave him on his own behalf to ruin something that had not yet been collapsed, and then came to their senses. Is it because they didn’t put him in any way, because he was only instructed to do on his behalf what he did.
      3. Intensive
        Intensive April 25 2014 16: 32
        -6
        Yes, under Putin, the collapse of the defense continued, and Serdyukov was also the Ministry of Defense when Putin was chairman of the government. They gave him on his own behalf to develop something that had not yet collapsed, and then came to their senses. Is it because they didn’t put him in any way, because he was only instructed to do on his behalf what he did.
      4. Siberian German
        Siberian German April 26 2014 03: 12
        0
        He was not talking about Maidan - but about our scientists - I don’t know about leaving, but the fact that many scientists in the academic campus do not work for our country, but for Amers and others like them is a bitter truth. Now explain to me - the president has been in the czar’s sovereign for 14 years now — in theory, he’s supposed to somehow influence the situation in science or his hands don’t reach
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 25 2014 14: 45
      +7
      Quote: Lenochka
      Americans meanwhile are buying our Novosibirsk scientists

      First of all, this is a question for your fellow scientists. If they are sold, then this will remain on their conscience. And this is not a reason for gloating.
      1. Lenochka
        Lenochka April 25 2014 14: 50
        +2
        What is gloating? This is an insult, and not gloating at all. In Sochi, there was enough money for Skolkovo. And for some reason there is no money to develop their scientists who can work for the good of the country.
        1. sled beach
          sled beach April 25 2014 18: 56
          0
          The main thing is that there is enough for the "war" and the rest is minor adversity.
      2. domjoly
        domjoly April 25 2014 15: 10
        +5
        I must say that scientists often leave not for a higher salary, but for the sake of conditions for continuing their research.
        1. Lenochka
          Lenochka April 25 2014 15: 47
          -3
          While there is no funding to continue research within their own country.
    3. domjoly
      domjoly April 25 2014 15: 07
      +6
      Everything is known in comparison; in the 90s, thousands of scientists emigrated to America and Europe without any threats and warnings. Now the situation is slowly improving.
      1. sled beach
        sled beach April 25 2014 19: 03
        0
        Remained loyal and faithful to their people, the most staunch, hardest, true Slavs, unyielding Russians. Those who will not fail and will not run away at any difficulty. Glory to them, this is the color of our nation.
    4. Rus2012
      April 25 2014 15: 09
      +5
      Quote: Lenochka
      buy our Novosibirsk scientists. And no matter how we wiped our nose with our own hands.

      Novosibs and not only already knock back. Have eaten foreign lands.
      There is anek on this subject:
      He lived in Novosib, an academic town. He had a wife, his own apartment, a car. The average salary.
      He left for "silicones" - his wife went to the amer, the apartment was rented, the car was on credit. The salary is also average. Well, what has changed and what has happened?
    5. Imigrantt
      Imigrantt April 25 2014 15: 10
      +2
      Quote: Lenochka
      To those who still praise Putin: "Novosibirsk physicists began to make billions on prestigious orders from Americans and Germans - and now they threaten the government with emigration"

      http://news.ngs.ru/more/1788011/

      Here, many people like to write that we’ll wipe the nose of the Americans. And the Americans, meanwhile, are buying up our Novosibirsk scientists. And no matter how we wiped our nose with our own hands.

      Little child, doesn’t it seem to you that your place is near the pa .... ndusa ????? Alarmists are usually the first to shoot at all times !!!!! hi
      1. Lenochka
        Lenochka April 25 2014 15: 52
        -1
        I understand your love for the president, we are all happy for the reunion with the Crimea. But to stoop to direct insults with hints of shooting at a girl who just has a different point of view from you, this is not an act of a man and a patriot of his country.
        1. Ivan Petrovich
          Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 16: 20
          -3
          never mind. brain washed completely. what they said on the first channel is true for them. to them, even with a look in their eyes, but to them all God's dew
        2. Setrac
          Setrac April 25 2014 18: 02
          +1
          Quote: Lenochka
          patriot of his country.

          You flatter yourself, pseudo-patriot.
    6. Intensive
      Intensive April 25 2014 16: 28
      -1
      Yes, unfortunately this is ours.
    7. Intensive
      Intensive April 25 2014 16: 28
      -3
      Yes, unfortunately this is ours.
    8. Wheel
      Wheel April 25 2014 19: 12
      0
      Quote: Lenochka
      For those who still praise Putin: "Novosibirsk physicists began to make billions on prestigious orders from Americans and Germans - and now they threaten the government with emigration" http://news.ngs.ru/more/1788011/ Here many people like to write that we will wipe our nose Americans. Meanwhile, the Americans are buying up our Novosibirsk scientists. And no matter how they wipe our nose with our own hands.

      And where does Putin?
      The INP Deputy Director read an appeal to the government to journalists. “We have everything to make a large accelerator project in Russia. And if our guys, who have trained on foreign projects, see that there is nothing here, they involuntarily diffuse in the direction where such projects are being done, ”he stated.
      So, a petty blackmail in the spirit of the moment.
    9. Russkiy_Prapor
      Russkiy_Prapor April 25 2014 23: 00
      0
      I also have a problem: 5 minutes to vote in the State Duma of the Russian Federation and all scientists instantly become restricted to travel abroad.
  2. Duke
    Duke April 25 2014 14: 31
    +5
    Here is our own production without import.
  3. homosum20
    homosum20 April 25 2014 14: 37
    +7
    Nothing, before the war they built everything themselves (though not in the wrong way). Build now. But I would like to avoid past mistakes. Build - only in Russia.
    1. abdrah
      abdrah April 28 2014 02: 23
      0
      Quote: homosum20
      Nothing, before the war they built everything themselves (though not in the wrong way). Build now. But I would like to avoid past mistakes. Build - only in Russia.



      -So the whole world does- the Germans or custodians will not set up high-tech production in the Baltic states or, for example, in Romania, and the United States is given not production technologies, but production lines - the processor itself sculpts, does not trust China, as well as Japan- Westhouse nuclear power plants example.
  4. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 25 2014 14: 41
    +5
    Not all at once! Dashing trouble is the beginning! And the beginning has been laid .....
  5. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 14: 44
    -6
    if so much energy, effort and money had been spent not on a fucking and unnecessary Olympics!
    1. Smiles to you
      Smiles to you April 25 2014 14: 47
      +6
      unnecessary olympiad to anyone!


      You speak for yourself, or immediately for everyone?
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 15: 02
        0
        and a turner-healer (such as he can for the whole of Russia 5 people) earn as much as some sort of loafer who rolls down the hill? and get another jeep for 4 lyama and an apartment, etc., etc.?
        1. Smiles to you
          Smiles to you April 25 2014 15: 17
          +6
          I, too, have not gone far from you.
          Muz Ped, education, so what?
          We must be proud of our heroic athletes!
          And in your comment, I read: Either hate, envy ...
          1. Ivan Petrovich
            Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 15: 28
            0
            what envy? why envy it with how they are there ... different assholes, pop musicians, footballers, TV presenters, different decouts (especially from ep). but the main thing is that they are paid by the state!
        2. 416494
          416494 April 25 2014 16: 35
          +2
          And what else is there and a turner-healer, before there was only a turner-fitter and their earnings were not bad.
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  6. Palych9999
    Palych9999 April 25 2014 14: 51
    -19%
    ALL Soviet aircraft engines were either copies of discontinued Western engines or were produced under their licenses
    1. Smiles to you
      Smiles to you April 25 2014 14: 56
      -12%
      and not only Avia, but also Auto, etc.

      discontinued western engines


      Most of the series ...
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 15: 31
        +8
        and NK-33? licensed by aliens or footballer arshavin?
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    2. thinker
      thinker April 25 2014 15: 07
      +7
      Well, of course, and a carpet rug licensed by Iran! good
    3. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 25 2014 15: 14
      +3
      Uncle, what about the same NK 93?
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 April 25 2014 15: 37
        +9
        Quote: fzr1000
        ALL Soviet aircraft engines were either copies of discontinued Western engines or were produced under their licenses

        Quote: fzr1000
        Most of the series ...

        belay
        Now tell us the foreign engines from which NK-12, NK-22, NK-25, NK_32 were copied .... well, to the heap of AL-21, AL-31, RD-33 ....
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 25 2014 15: 46
          +2
          What do I have to do with it? This is a question for Palych9999 and Smiles to You RU.
          1. sergey72
            sergey72 April 25 2014 15: 49
            +2
            Quote: fzr1000
            What do I have to do with it? This is a question for Palych9999 and Smiles to You RU.

            So I noticed, I quote some, but others nicknames .... AU! moderators! what are you doing? And to you, dear namesake, I have no questions ... Regards hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 25 2014 15: 52
              0
              Quote: sergey72
              sergey72

              And what's wrong? They highlighted one, and clicked on the quote to click on the other and all ..
              1. sergey72
                sergey72 April 25 2014 15: 55
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And what's wrong with that?

                Alexander, look above, everything is visible there ...
              2. sergey72
                sergey72 April 25 2014 15: 57
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                ? Selected one, and clicked on the quote to the other and all ..?

                Oh how! Well, if my jamb and I apologize to you! hi
    4. a-cola
      a-cola April 25 2014 15: 45
      +1
      .
      Quote: Palych9999
      ALL Soviet aircraft engines were either copies of discontinued Western engines or were produced under their licenses


      Bullshit. So I see how Americans during the Cold War stand in line to sell engines on airplanes
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    6. qwert
      qwert April 25 2014 16: 01
      +4
      It’s ridiculous. All Mikulin's engines were original, and structurally carried many family features that clearly distinguished them from all Western ones. Klimovsky engines after VK-1 were also completely original. I will say the same thing about the Kuznetsovskys, Solovvskys, etc. At Cradle only Al-21, some features from the American engine were introduced. But I will repeat some design features, not aggregates and designs. In addition, even those engines that grew from a license sometimes exceeded the heirs of a common ancestor made in the country from which the license was purchased. It's like the T-34 heir to Christie's tanks.
      And what about discontinued production-nonsense. The engine was bought by the most advanced.
    7. sergey72
      sergey72 April 25 2014 16: 02
      0
      Quote: Palych9999
      ALL Soviet aircraft engines were either copies of discontinued Western engines or were produced under their licenses

      belay wassat
      I redirect the question: Please name the foreign engines whose copies are -NK-12, NK-22, NK-25, NK-32, Al-21, AL-31, RD-33 .....
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  7. Neighbor
    Neighbor April 25 2014 15: 07
    +5
    Yeah, but they buy space engines from us, for some reason.
    1. Smiles to you
      Smiles to you April 25 2014 15: 28
      +1
      Exactly! Because no one produces them (such) anymore.
      So, just as we purchased, engines for Aviation in Ukraine ...
      We’ll have to set up our production, well, nothing will break through ...
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 15: 53
        +1
        and where is Perm located?
        1. abdrah
          abdrah April 28 2014 02: 42
          0








  8. Neighbor
    Neighbor April 25 2014 15: 09
    +5
    By the way, rotary nozzles from SU and MiGs were also copied from someone?
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 15: 36
      -4
      Of course, these nozzles were invented and made in her own garage by the deputy from EP Irina Yarovaya! under the strict guidance of the party and government
  9. silver169
    silver169 April 25 2014 15: 13
    +3
    God forbid that everything will turn out for Russian engine builders.
  10. tolancop
    tolancop April 25 2014 15: 14
    +4
    And I still remember the "cry from the heart" of the head of one of the factories at the very beginning of the "conversion" (whether it was wrong): "Engines like mine can only be built by 4 countries in the world, and they force me to rivet pots !!!" Sell ​​a dozen motors and, with these casseroles, fill the country with ... "... Like a wall, you can't say, you need a conversion ...".

    The quote is not verbatim, but I can vouch for the meaning.
  11. erofich
    erofich April 25 2014 15: 18
    0
    For some reason, everyone forgets that between Putin and the promises there are specific people who either stole money or did not, but reported.
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor April 25 2014 15: 46
      +1
      Putin is apparently a newbie in this matter, it is difficult for him to figure this out, everything so incomprehensible. And then all sorts of Chubais advise.
    2. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 15: 55
      +3
      these "concrete" people in the days of Comrade Stalin would have been driving cars for a long time, and not driving around in limousines
  12. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you April 25 2014 15: 44
    0
    And here is the export news:

    MOSCOW, April 25 - RIA News. The total volume of export orders of Russian military equipment in 2013 reached a record $ 49 billion, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    "Our developers and manufacturers of military equipment participated in 24 international exhibitions, new long-term contracts worth $ 18 billion have been signed," Putin said at a meeting of the profile commission.
    As a result, he said, the cumulative portfolio of export orders "reached a record high and exceeded $ 49 billion."


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140425/1005420606.html#ixzz2ztiIJjgI
  13. qwert
    qwert April 25 2014 15: 53
    +9
    How interesting. Why was the first koment? What does Putin and Novosibirsk have to do with it ??? This is an attempt to hush up the discussion of an article about engines ???? Where are you from Lenochka? The question is probably posed and worthwhile, but let's analyze it in another topic ...
    And about the engines. as an aviation engineer, I will say the following:
    On average, the development of a new aircraft requires 5-7 years, and the development of a new engine for it is 10-12 years. If aircraft can be developed and manufactured by Brazil and Poland, and India, and Argentina, and others, others, others. Only 5 countries can develop and produce a new engine.
    Here they are high technologies. But also a lot of money. It is foolish to give up the Ukrainian engines. Ukrainians are not Dutch, not American blacks, and not Japanese. Ukrainians are our brothers, and it is stupid and vulgar to think about how our brotherly people would not "enrich themselves" for us or suddenly begin to live better. Therefore, we need to develop cooperation with them. Can they make large propfans? Cool, but we are gas generators and rotary nozzles. Do they have better coating for combustion chambers? We will use it perfectly! We need to cooperate and steam the world market.
    It’s stupid and gone to put American engines on Tu and IL. It’s unfortunate that the Superjet is not on PS-90 and its heirs. The cost of engines reaches 40% of the total cost of the aircraft. And we are now tucking this money into the States. Or maybe they are better off on par with Ukraine? And the workplace. And the development of technology .. And the prestige of countries. In Europe, Airbus-joint brainchild. There, Germans, Frenchmen and others, who are irrelevant in life there, cooperate. But the brothers and I do not want. Shit on the soul from this.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 25 2014 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: qwert
      How interesting.

      Come on .... The NGS girl was reading, and there the guys are chasing ads ... like they are the most informed - do not pay attention, free press, damn it. request
    2. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich April 25 2014 16: 35
      -2
      civil aircraft industry the current government is in fact P R O R S LA!
  14. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 25 2014 15: 53
    +3
    Ensuring self-sufficiency in engine building is a task both archival and arch-complicated, but necessary. Without its implementation, it will be very difficult for us to further develop our aircraft industry.
  15. qwert
    qwert April 25 2014 15: 54
    0
    How interesting. Why was the first koment? What does Putin and Novosibirsk have to do with it ??? This is an attempt to hush up the discussion of an article about engines ???? Where are you from Lenochka? The question is probably posed and worthwhile, but let's analyze it in another topic ...
    And about the engines. as an aviation engineer, I will say the following:
    On average, the development of a new aircraft requires 5-7 years, and the development of a new engine for it is 10-12 years. If aircraft can be developed and manufactured by Brazil and Poland, and India, and Argentina, and others, others, others. Only 5 countries can develop and produce a new engine.
    Here they are high technologies. But also a lot of money. It is foolish to give up the Ukrainian engines. Ukrainians are not Dutch, not American blacks, and not Japanese. Ukrainians are our brothers, and it is stupid and vulgar to think about how our brotherly people would not "enrich themselves" for us or suddenly begin to live better. Therefore, we need to develop cooperation with them. Can they make large propfans? Cool, but we are gas generators and rotary nozzles. Do they have better coating for combustion chambers? We will use it perfectly! We need to cooperate and steam the world market.
    It’s stupid and gone to put American engines on Tu and IL. It’s unfortunate that the Superjet is not on PS-90 and its heirs. The cost of engines reaches 40% of the total cost of the aircraft. And we are now tucking this money into the States. Or maybe they are better off on par with Ukraine? And the workplace. And the development of technology .. And the prestige of countries. In Europe, Airbus-joint brainchild. There, Germans, Frenchmen and others, who are irrelevant in life there, cooperate. But the brothers and I do not want. Shit on the soul from this.
  16. AlexA
    AlexA April 25 2014 16: 08
    +5
    Quote: Palych9999
    ALL Soviet aircraft engines were either copies of discontinued Western engines or were produced under their licenses

    I categorically object, Palych. You seem to have heard something. In the 30s, when creating new design bureaus and factories, most engines, except AM-35, were really licensed. Well, since the 50s - these are all original developments. Naturally, we in KB (I started 45 years ago as a designer in OKB-19) had all the express information, including closed information, on Western developments. But they did it themselves. Moreover, most of the technical solutions are made using existing technology, and it is impossible to reproduce other people's achievements, even if there are drawings. There, even staff members cannot reproduce the Kuznetsov and Glushkovsky rocket engines, although not only the drawings, but the motors themselves are in iron.
    So you got excited about "total licensing".
  17. Dusk
    Dusk April 25 2014 16: 11
    +4
    I don’t like it when they say about PD-14 that they are developing it purely Perm ((. Forgetting to mention about NPO Motor and UMPO.
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  19. Signaller
    Signaller April 25 2014 17: 01
    +2
    An interesting promise The PD-14 motor is promising. In terms of noise and emissions, with a view to further actions, ICAO will increase environmental requirements by 100% and have a backlog for improvement. For decades to come. It is gratifying to read, but somehow it does not fit with today. We need engines for combat and transport-passenger aircraft, capable of deploying troops, and we are curious about noise. Yes, if that goes well, then ICAO will soon forget what it was called. That is the question. And most of the engines are needed not there in Geyrop, but here in Russia. And with our distances and noise may be greater and other twenties more modestly required.
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    3. Dusk
      Dusk April 25 2014 17: 36
      0
      pd
      Then what's the catch. The PD-14 is not interesting here, but the so-called promising gas generator on which the engines for the rest of the aircraft will be based !!!
      There will also be gas turbine engines (gas-turbine drives), TVAD (turbo-turbojet engines) at this SGP. PD-14 is an engine for the MS-21 (roughly speaking).
  20. 52
    52 April 25 2014 17: 31
    +1
    Stop swearing and whining! The country needs engines, scientists, a turner, a locksmith, and, most importantly, education! It is a wide-profile one, as in the USSR: starting from the Stations of Young Technicians, through the CPC at school and the coordinate system: PTU-INSTITUT, or in-depth study of the fundamentals of science-INSTITUTE, and then life! And about Putin there is already a "hit verse" from the Internet:
    ALL Putin is guilty !!!)))
    Behind the window rain and hail.
    This is Putin's fault!
    The cat left the kittens -
    Putin is to blame
    The mistress left the bunny -
    Guilty Guess!
    Here ends the board
    At the unfortunate goby,
    Our Tanya is crying loudly -
    Near Putin, not otherwise!
    The light went out, the fence fell,
    The car stalled motor
    Healthy tooth removed
    Ile climbed into the apartment thief
    Did not like the movie,
    You have come to shit ...
    Any cataclysm
    The explanation is one ...
    Every democrat knows
    This is Putin's fault!
    Who yesterday in my porch
    Lift to the ceiling?
    Believe me, comrades
    This is Putin's hand!
    I caught a drunk "squirrel" -
    This is Putin's tricks!
    A pile of shit under the table.
    This is Putin's fault!
    The toilet is clogged -
    This is Putin’s order,
    Threw gobies there,
    He drained the water - and he was like that!
    At night, lingerie steals,
    The glass in our house is breaking.
    Drunk in the yard dancing.
    This is Putin - fake!
    No salvation from the villain!
    Mat writes on the walls,
    Broke bushes in the alley.
    This is Putin - oh and oh!
    Liberala wet the rain -
    Putin laughs cheerfully.
    Flooded your cottage? -
    This is Putin, not otherwise!
    Did you find a thunderstorm along the way? -
    That got the Kremlin hand.
    Cold, wind, snow -
    Putin is to blame again.
    Blowing down a hurricane? -
    This is Putin taking revenge on the rams.
    Storm, tsunami, flood? -
    This is Putin, no doubt!
    Rainfall, landslide, cyclone -
    Of course he is to blame
    Sel, avalanche, rockfall? -
    Clear: Putin is to blame!
    Tornado, typhoon, earthquake -
    There is no escape from Putin!
    A crow pecked at the crown? -
    This is a young friend of riot police.
    Bees, wasps sting you? -
    This is Putin SpetsNaz.
    See this bumblebee? -
    He is in the service of the Kremlin!
    If you believe in that -
    This is just paranoia! )))
  21. Vadim12
    Vadim12 April 25 2014 18: 21
    +3
    History has shown many times that RUSSIANS can EVERYTHING! (Russians are not by nationality, but by liking). To develop an engine and put it into production is a matter of only a short time.
    For user Lenochka: Putin does not repress scientists. There will be conditions - they will work in Russia.
  22. Const
    Const April 25 2014 18: 24
    +1
    So technology was stolen during the so-called. "perestroika", and in fact the betrayal of the Rod, and they went to heavy aircraft.
  23. Wheel
    Wheel April 25 2014 19: 43
    0
    As always, journalism did not familiarize itself with the material on the topic of which the article sculpts ...

    Help "AN": ENGINEERING CENTER
    Its counterpart in Russia, NK-93, twice as powerful, ready for production ten years ago, turned out to be of no use to anyone and is gathering dust in the warehouse of OJSC Kuznetsov. He made three test flights. Officials at the Ministry of Industry and Trade say that there is no airplane under it, it’s a technology demonstrator, the engine is outdated and needs to be upgraded.


    Dmitry Fedorchenko,
    General Designer of OJSC Kuznetsov
    27 March 2013 year
    I want to clarify: the term for the creation of NK-93 is not 30, but 20 years. The engine of the early 90s of the last century. Next - on the technical level of the product. If we consider the development trends of engine building, and these are not my suggestions, but the opinion of TsIAM, then by 2020–2025, engines of this class should have a 14–18 dual-circuit. NK-93 has this indicator 16. The number of steps is 12–14. On NK-93 - 22. Too much, of course. You can’t say anything here. This technology, of course, of the past century.
    .
    In the form in which NK-93 is now, it can not be called a finished product. This, of course, is a demonstrator, or a prototype, or a prototype demonstrator of an engine.
    .
    ... So I appreciate the technical excellence of this aircraft engine. And the direction, of course, is promising for the motors of the future.
    Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/15106

    Although, the article is mostly true. +
  24. Cristall
    Cristall April 26 2014 18: 46
    0
    MS with Ivchenko Progress is still thinking about business (it seemed trivial money, but still) and not about Maidan frenzy. He will resolve, but no one will return the money for hysteria.
    In addition, how many contracts do they have from the Russian Federation (the same forced engine on the yak and the modernization of engines on the ans)
    Cooperation will continue, the "sponsors" only have the option of displacing Boguslaev's team.
    Collapse of cooperation (moral preparation of the population, they say, "aggressors" shouldn't give anything better to die in the name of Ukraine) - all these are bonuses for the inclusion of Ukraine in the 52 states of the YSA.
    This manifesto was written by a Ukrainian patriot, I want to highlight a separate part:
    Who cares about the future of their children - POST on our resources and sites - otherwise lie "new" like gray geldings ..

    "I envy the Russians, I envy them", I am a Nazi muzzle, am "and" yam "
    I envy their Olympics and their army, I have many friends, there are
    relatives in Russia. And I see how they change and grow. They believe
    to your President. They believe in their army. They are proud of their great
    history, their achievements and victories.
    And this was our common story ... and victories and achievements. Just yesterday. They are
    reconciled with themselves. They didn’t give a damn about the West we worship. And they
    go further and develop so that they don’t tell us on our televisions and
    on our forums. And I understand that this is what we are losing, not them. we
    become weaker, and they are stronger.
    And no matter how loudly we shout "Glory to Ukraine!" it cannot be stopped.
    More recently, we mocked when they had Chechnya.
    And now the Chechens are no less Russian than the Russians themselves. They are ready
    fight for your reborn and Great Country. Part of which they
    are. And already Chechen battalions scare us. How did this happen ???
    They killed each other yesterday. And the reason is simple, the Chechens were able
    remember that they are Russian, and that they are part of the Great Country and the Great
    The people.
    We gloat when they have terrorist attacks and disasters.
    And they overcome them time after time and become stronger! Although the whole world is against them!
    They fall and rise again. They stand and smile. They only spit blood through their teeth.
    And we scream that they are slaves. That soon they will fall apart, oil will fall,
    NATO will attack, and next punishment will fall on them. But they are us!
    We spit in our reflection. Themselves in.
    We need to remember that we are one. And when we start
    to understand and realize this. That feeling will come, when something former in ours
    ancestors. Feeling of inner strength, hope, faith and pride in the fact that we
    also Russian.
    And it doesn’t matter who our ancestors are, Ukrainians, Tatars, Jews, Buryats or Uzbeks.
    It doesn’t matter who we are by faith, Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims or Jews.
    It is not important. The main thing is that we are Russians! And we are part of the great people
    and a great country. "

    "Aggressors"
    in Crimea met with flowers 90% of the population .. NOT ONE VICTIMS .. WHY ???
    yes they are theirs, and neither our soldiers in them, nor they shoot in ours .. although
    our Vlad is actively seeking provocateurs for hysteria ..
    and how many of our Parubia in their backs on the Maidan put .. ???

    WELL, why are they lying to us - "drunken rashka" - and they are the 1st place at the Olympics
    drunks .. they are - "Endangered Rashka" - and they have full yards of children and fertility
    grows every year .. they have a "Funny Army" - in 4 days Saakashvilevskaya
    NATO gouged ...

    TALES LETS ENOUGH us to fool us so that we spit on ourselves ..