Whose army is stronger?

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Expert Online published a rating of the military power of the countries of the world based on the Global Firepower Index (GFP), which combines more than fifty different indicators taken from open sources. Among them, the size of the army, the number of ships, tanks, aircraft and other military equipment. In addition, the level of financing, transport infrastructure, access to petroleum products and other factors affecting the combat readiness of the army are taken into account. It is worth noting that the index does not take into account the factor of nuclear weapons.

In total, the ranking got 106 countries. According to the April version, the first three places went to the USA, Russia and China. Ukraine ended up on a 21 location, between Australia and Iran.

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  1. +17
    April 23 2014 13: 21
    Who would doubt that...
    1. Validator
      +14
      April 23 2014 13: 24

      miners strike in the Donbas
      1. +48
        April 23 2014 13: 25
        Definitely Russian!
        1. +27
          April 23 2014 13: 42
          Please refrain from the term "racial".
          1. +19
            April 23 2014 13: 49
            Rasea is one of the oldest names in Russia,
            which increases Light on Earth and is a Power.
            Race - from the words: "RA", which means "Shining of the Truth of the Most High";
            "Se" means "this";
            "I" is the pronoun "I".
            Literally: "Race" - "I Am the Radiance of the Truth of the Most High"
            1. +62
              April 23 2014 14: 00
              Friends, do not engage in mysticism. There are other resources for this. The Russian language is so rich and euphonic that anything can be derived from the existing word formation with any meanings. For example: Ber-lin, bear-bear, lin-border, it turns out "bearish border". Ber-log, ber-well, we know it, log-storage, dwelling, it turns out "the house of the bear". Ber-Mudy ... uh-uh, this is perhaps unnecessary wink
              Of course, there is a grain in such surveys, but there is too much speculation in this topic and far-fetched.
              1. 0
                April 23 2014 15: 36
                Ber-lin, ber-bear, lin-border, it turns out "bear border". Ber-log, ber-well, we know it, log-storage, dwelling, it turns out "the house of the bear". Ber-Mudy ... uh-uh, this is perhaps unnecessary

                The inserted smile apologizes to you.
                It’s a little like a search, more like verbiage
                Did you do the research yourself? hi
                Judging by the publication
                Labor was hard labor request
              2. +7
                April 23 2014 15: 59
                but there is too much speculation in this topic and far-fetched.
                It's still good if by the ears ... And then it seems to me what kind of "Ber-Mudy"
                1. +1
                  April 23 2014 20: 21
                  This "research" is a quote from a report that was read at the Siegel Readings. So twenty years ago. Have you heard of such? I've heard and attended. The speaker got carried away a little and, uh-uh, an incident happened. The audience laughed for a long time. This suggests that such questions should be approached without excessive exaltation. And even more so without unnecessary emotions.
              3. +1
                April 23 2014 23: 48
                Quote: naGua
                For example:

                Well, the same is true for ONE of the versions, Russian is RUSSIA from KIEV ...
            2. +14
              April 23 2014 14: 01
              Now this is the contemptuous name of Russia, along with Russia and Raska.
              Even if the word has good roots, it does not change anything.

              Also, as once upon a time, the swastika symbol was good, and now it causes negative emotions.
              1. +1
                April 23 2014 14: 08
                Sorry, but in your opinion, then our most patriotic group Lube can be attributed to negativity for the song Raseya, my Raseya, from the Volga to the Yenissei "
                1. +8
                  April 23 2014 15: 13
                  You have to flog for such a song! Half of Russia was left to us. In fact: from the Don (its mouth) to the Amur (also its mouth). And they are also touched by the phrase "give us Alyasochka in the ass." Whose ass, excuse me? ..
                2. 0
                  April 23 2014 16: 49
                  Not to negativity, to vernacular.
                  River Ros, Staraya Russa, Rusyns.
                  From the antiquities of Rosa, there is even hypothesis, which has an interesting foundation - Rye (Ros), did not grow anywhere in Europe, only in the region of Novgorod, Staraya Russa, to Kiev.
                  From the Greeks, to our church - Rosia, Russia.
                  But not Rasea.
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            4. +6
              April 23 2014 14: 03
              This is probably from the joking monologues of M. Zadornov ... which you take to heart! fellow
            5. Old Cynic
              0
              April 23 2014 14: 48
              Michal Alexandrych, is that you ???
              Guys !!!! Zadornov tuta ....

              Michal Alexandritch, here you all derive from the word "RA" - "Shining of the Truth of the Most High" ...

              I beg you tearfully !!! Translate for me the word "the most ancient name of Russia" CPT!

              Or do not write shit more!
              1. Old Cynic
                -1
                April 23 2014 15: 05
                Ominusovuvshy - explain!
                1. +2
                  April 23 2014 16: 20
                  Zadornov Mikhail Nikolaevich. - not mine, but learn the materiel
                  1. Old Cynic
                    -2
                    April 23 2014 17: 09
                    Zadornov Mikhail Nikolaevich. - not mine, but learn the materiel


                    Now I understand who and why minus ...
              2. +12
                April 23 2014 15: 44
                And from me to you "+"! It's a shame I can only have one.
                Really, nonsense about some "national roots" and "secret" meanings are just beginning to enrage.
                But you can try to decipher, the dictionary was offered to us. However, I still offer the word from which the derivative "" is derived, namely - SRAKA. So: "S" means "s" (near, close, etc.). Further, according to the "primary source" - "" RA ", which means" Shining of the Truth of the Most High "". "KA" is a boa constrictor from a fairy tale about the Aryan boy Mowgli.
                Total we have: "Close to the" Shining of the Truth of the Most High ", for laying a large" larva ".
                In common people - Truth is somewhere nearby ...
                1. Old Cynic
                  +4
                  April 23 2014 15: 52
                  Wah, shaitan !!! drinks
                  1. +3
                    April 23 2014 16: 05
                    Quote: Old Cynic
                    Wah, shaitan !!!

                    feel What is there ... It's just a polyglot ... drinks
                2. +4
                  April 23 2014 17: 39
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  Total we have: "Close to the" Shining of the Truth of the Most High ", for laying a large" larva ".
                  In common people - Truth is somewhere nearby ...

                  laughing

                  Greetings, Alexander!
                  hi
                  Five points !
                  You can’t say better. Thank you for the courage at the top of the army polyglotry.
                  good
                  drinks
                  1. +1
                    April 23 2014 19: 22
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Greetings, Alexander!

                    Hello, Alexey! Glad to see you! hi
              3. 0
                April 23 2014 16: 51
                Abbreviated - litter, litter. winked
              4. +2
                April 23 2014 17: 31
                I beg you tearfully !!! Translate the word СPATЬ into the "oldest name of Russia" for me!

                Pleas must be answered
                May no one leave unheard
                Everyone, by virtue of his spirituality, is looking for a holy value for himself, for which you can donate something from yourself not for money
                He has this "Shining of the Truth of the Most High"
                You have something for which the great UKR, in order to differ from the Russians, came up with a hymn, coat of arms, flag
                I mean the noun from which your verb originated fellow
                ps I didn’t set cons, for nothing
                1. +3
                  April 23 2014 19: 33
                  There is no need to explain something to those who, without needing an explanation, have devoted their whole life to serving the Motherland. Simply - to the Motherland. Without any "Shining Truth of the Most High".
                  Do not be offended. Everyone has their own perception of the world and their own faith.
            6. +2
              April 23 2014 14: 55
              Quote: Hans51
              Rasea is one of the oldest names in Russia,

              You can also remember "GARDARIKA".
            7. +1
              April 23 2014 15: 26
              if in antiquity they hit, then there "I" was "Az", I am
            8. 0
              April 23 2014 20: 55
              '' Literally: "Race" - "I Am the Radiance of the Truth of the Most High." There is no need to repeat M. Zadorny's nonsense. He is not a historian, but a satirist. He can carry this nonsense to fill the hall at his concerts, but only to him and only at his concerts.
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          2. +2
            April 23 2014 13: 49
            a cool hat, only the inscription - shame, it is necessary to place demotivators after carefully studying them.
            Hans51 - you wrote complete nonsense - minus, barnyard breeder multiplier
          3. +1
            April 23 2014 15: 22
            Quote: theadenter
            Now this is the contemptuous name of Russia

            Unfortunately, today Russia is very often spoken of as a deceitful and incapable of existing power with the rest of the world. The very notion "Russia" is becoming a household word for political events unpleasant to the West that run counter to their own plans.
            Please do not accept all words and phrases in the sense that your opponents are imposing on you, in this way we can lose the entire vocabulary.
        2. GDP
          +6
          April 23 2014 14: 20
          The review is so-so - for example, there are no such important components as air defense, artillery. And the quality of different armies with the declared quantity is far different from each other ...
          In general, the huge number of US infantry is surprisingly one and a half million! Twice as many as in Russia. What the hell are they? After all, they have virtually no borders that need to be protected?
          1. COLUN
            0
            April 23 2014 14: 42
            Quote: GDP
            In general, the huge number of US infantry is surprisingly one and a half million! Twice as many as in Russia. What the hell are they? After all, they have virtually no borders that need to be protected?


            They have over 700 military bases around the world ...
            and this is not infantry, but the number of troops ...

            RySy, in addition, the PMC army is not included there.
          2. 0
            April 23 2014 17: 33
            "Infantry" USA. It includes almost 400 thousand of the National Guard, and even about 200 thousand of the reserve. So it turns out (this is if we take into account that there is a very conventional division into types of troops and their interlacing in various announced situations) such a number. Sometimes they are credited for the reserve and members of the rifle societies and military associations. So, for example, it was in 2002, when the military history clubs in Louisiana were included in the reserve.
          3. +1
            April 23 2014 18: 44
            "In general, the huge number of US infantry is surprising, one and a half million!"

            Well, actually, they don’t need US aggressors — unless they bomb them with airplanes — for example, Syria — they will land troops and fill up the enemy’s trenches with corpses, and then on CNN they will talk about small losses. By the way, about the quality - the USA in Afghanistan lost no less than us, and this despite the fact that their infantry mainly guards the bases (chestnuts in ground battles are caught by Europeans - the Baltic states, Germans, Romanians, Poles, etc.) - not normal - then the quality of the Russian infantry (I am without cynicism) is higher.
        3. Ivan Petrovich
          +2
          April 23 2014 14: 31
          This rating is full bullshit. Where would France and Germany be, for example, in early May 1940? True, we already know the result ...
          1. +3
            April 23 2014 15: 35
            Quote: Ivan Petrovich
            This rating is full bullshit.

            I agree. Apparently he was made up of zhurnalyugi, a la amateurs. In addition to errors in determining the number of used vehicles, there is no accounting for its combat capabilities,% of the staffing of aircraft with weapons and equipment of the latest generation.
            The state’s presence of nuclear weapons, OMP, the mobilization capabilities of the state, the degree of militarization of the economy, the moral and psychological unity of the country's population, etc. are not taken into account.
            It would be more correct (more or less) to compare the combat potentials, not the "strength" of the Armies. When comparing "strength", such an important element as the level of training of troops, the level of preparedness of headquarters and military command and control bodies, and the availability of experience in conducting modern armed conflicts remains outside the brackets.
            And without this, the rating is built on speculation and fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
      2. Validator
        +3
        April 23 2014 13: 36

        Interview Tsarev Channel 1 on the situation in Ukraine
      3. Validator
        +5
        April 23 2014 14: 29
        Statement by Oleg Tsarev
        The details of the meeting between US Vice President Joseph Biden and several presidential candidates in Ukraine, made public by one of the participants in this meeting, are staggering. In fact, a senior US government official told Ukrainian politicians what they needed to do and how. The participation of politicians with diametrically opposed views in this meeting is indicative, which testifies to their control over American interests, which, most likely, are decisive for them.
        After that, it does not seem possible to blame Russia for meddling in the internal affairs of Ukraine.

        Unfortunately, with the efforts of the current openly pro-American Kiev regime, Ukraine is increasingly becoming a hostage to the US geopolitical game against Moscow. And only fools can not understand this.

        The demand of the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov to resume anti-terrorist measures in the southeast is roughly contrary to the declared goals of normalizing the situation in Ukraine. It must be understood that any military armed action against one’s own people will only deepen the existing split and provoke new acts of violence and mutual bloodshed.

        The authorities are trying to use the murder of a deputy of the Gorlovsky City Council, a member of the Fatherland party, Vladimir Rybak, to resume military operations in the south-east of the country. Thus, the authorities not only succumb to the explicit provocation of the radicals and criminals, but also make a suicidal decision. A war against one’s own people will not help these politicians stay in power.

        SOUTHEAST
      4. +2
        April 23 2014 14: 32
        Maybe you don’t need to leave comments about it in the news that has nothing to do with the situation in Ukraine?
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      6. +2
        April 23 2014 14: 53
        Quote: Validator
        miners strike in the Donbas

        It should be explained that the events are taking place near the administrative building of P \ O "Krasnodonugol".
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      8. +4
        April 23 2014 14: 59
        This army will not shoot.
        1. +3
          April 23 2014 15: 27
          A hungry Ukrainian army will cause riots wherever it is. Remember the Soviet saying: Soldiers are loved where they are not.
      9. 0
        April 23 2014 20: 43
        Quote: Validator
        miners strike in the Donbas

        And what? He was zapadlo climb on the table and the answer to the miners to keep?
        Navel of the earth ep ...
    2. Validator
      +29
      April 23 2014 13: 25
      We post an all-Russian flash mob
      1. +5
        April 23 2014 13: 36
        I don’t even understand? We have 15 000 tanks !!! ??? Why not 1 million !!! ??? I’ll go under the sofa and see if the tank is lying around !!! laughing

        Even if we take the total amount of armored vehicles with us, it is unlikely to get 15 thousand!
        And the Americans have miserable 8 thousand, laughter and nothing more! The total number of military equipment in Afghanistan alone is about 48 thousand units! How many tanks are there, how many damn armored personnel carriers are! Fake and not a report!
        And the number of planes in the United States 13 thousand from where so much? When did you manage, is it together with police helicopters and civilian sesnas?
        1. +18
          April 23 2014 13: 49
          What doubt, did not understand. We now have 3500 80s, 10000 72s (including t-90), 4000 t-64,8000 t-62, about a thousand PT-76, plus 54/55 not counted in storage. And in the 91st in the USSR Armed Forces (excluding ATS) there were 64000 tanks, 77000 units. other armored vehicles, 13000 aircraft, 364 submarines, 437 warships.
          1. +3
            April 23 2014 14: 04
            Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
            What doubt, did not understand. We now have 3500 80's, 10000 72's (including t-90), 4000 t-64,8000 t-62, about a thousand PT-76, plus 54 / 55 is not counted in storage.

            Thanks for the clarification! Only these are all the numbers of past times, the actual number is about 8 thousand! That week, one of the generals voiced the numbers in the news of the week like!
            1. +10
              April 23 2014 14: 32
              There is a difference in the ranks and on conservation. The numbers that I gave on the main tanks include all the tanks that are ON ARMED, i.e. and on BHVT in the Urals (there are objects there that the subscription does not tell about, but in the second half of the 2000s there were reserves of tanks for the 4th world). Amers have the same situation - they have a mass of m60 in the desert, but they are not officially in service.
        2. +18
          April 23 2014 14: 01
          Quote: Sid.74
          ? We have 15 tanks !!!

          Given the canned, more is possible. What and how much in reserve will never be told to us.
          1. +6
            April 23 2014 14: 42
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What and how much in reserve they will never tell us.

            Hey hello! And what to guess whose is more powerful and stronger ?. The stronger one from which they run away the fastest ... Well, if you recall the 080808 marathon over rough terrain .... wink
            1. +4
              April 23 2014 14: 56
              Quote: Tersky
              . Well, if you recall the marathon 080808 cross country.

              Romnu, how Saka himself participated in the training session. What kind of commander, such an army laughing
              Hi Vit hi
          2. +6
            April 23 2014 14: 46
            13000 aircraft in the United States are also likely to be in the desert. This whole shnyaga rating. Actually 4000 in the composition, about 1300 national guards and 400 in reserve. About 160000 Ukrainian warrant officers are generally interested.
        3. 0
          April 23 2014 17: 28
          You don’t have to go under the sofa!) You go out onto the Yekaterinburg-N. Tagil highway! There are only 300 pieces there. Compare how many were there in the TA? And here in one V. Pyshma))))
        4. 0
          April 23 2014 18: 17
          Quote: Sid.74
          The total number of military equipment in Afghanistan alone is about 48 thousand units!

          How many? belay
      2. +17
        April 23 2014 13: 39
        Well, that’s true. But Ukraine is not weak, even standing in 21 place, only this place is most likely among African countries.
        1. 77bob1973
          +9
          April 23 2014 13: 47
          Ukraine is off the list, because there is no army itself, but there are scattered armed units!
        2. +3
          April 23 2014 14: 35
          Quote: ZU-23
          only this place is most likely among African countries.

          Somalia at 20 laughing
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    3. +6
      April 23 2014 13: 35
      According to the April version, the first three places went to the USA, Russia and China.
      But what, the entire list cannot be given in the article? Or is this article intended for those who do not read and who are not interested? For example, I'm interested! Link 28.12.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX:
      https://www.google.com.ua/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=

      8&ved=0CDcQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbulochnikov.livejournal.com%2F1223421.html&ei=M

      IlXU-2FDaiL4gSjmoHgCw&usg=AFQjCNE0HR98jP48EZK9dZISJ9MChUQ_2g
      Ten: USA, Russia, China, India, Great Britain, Turkey, South Korea, France, Japan, Israel.
      1. +6
        April 23 2014 14: 14
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        But what, the entire list cannot be given in the article?

        Countries Ranked by Military Strength

        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        Ten: USA, Russia, China, India, Great Britain, Turkey, South Korea, France, Japan, Israel.

        Ten? Israel is in 11th place.
        1. 0
          April 23 2014 20: 46
          Ten? Israel is in 11th place.

          Tricky appreciated. Nowhere has the Japanese army fought for a long time. French people? Hindus?
      2. +2
        April 23 2014 14: 35
        It’s not difficult to list, it’s another matter to compare objectively-3 Chinese ICBMs exceed 500 Amerian ICBMs in power, as the Americans are not very ready to use them, and the same Chinese, in which case the e-choke will add up to nothing.
        1. +1
          April 23 2014 18: 17
          And what is this nonsense based on?)
          1. Kassandra
            0
            April 24 2014 16: 20
            this is their official doctrine.
            They have no ICBMs, ICBMs have an instrument - as soon as there are sufficiently large losses, they will begin to reduce American AUGs and island bases.
            Americans will answer across their continent - and they will answer across their continent
            The Americans in China will bomb what dam or city with conventional weapons that your Dresden, the Chinese, will be nuclear in a couple of states. yourself, the first and without hesitation. otherwise why do they need it?
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    4. NIVH
      +16
      April 23 2014 13: 47
      And this is if you do not assume that every second Ivan Susanin, every fifth Denis Davydov, and if you take it from the beginning before the fight, then almost all Ilya Muromets!
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    6. +8
      April 23 2014 14: 11
      But from the taiga to the British seas
      The Red Army is the strongest.
    7. +18
      April 23 2014 14: 14
      Ukraine was in 21th place, between Australia and Iran. recourse vague doubts torment me ... Ukraine is cooler than Iran? Arabs pour money into the army, but dill only sells! wassat
      1. +2
        April 23 2014 16: 44
        They can’t eat up the legacy of the Union in any way, but apparently they are already eating up =) I’m silent about the combat effectiveness.
      2. 0
        April 23 2014 19: 00
        Yes, Iran is more clear stump. They at least have teachings, unlike Outskirts. Yes
    8. +3
      April 23 2014 15: 50
      Here, on paper ratings and measure - until you get bored. But no! It is called "pin ... to the Soviet community."
    9. 0
      April 23 2014 17: 14
      I think Iran was very offended by its neighborhood in the ranking with Ukraine.
    10. 0
      April 23 2014 18: 11
      By the way, someone drew 13000 Amerov planes. Today I rummaged through all the sources that I could find and counted only 4500.
    11. +1
      April 23 2014 20: 26
      Quote: Morgan
      Who would doubt that...

      And according to Turchinov and Yatsenyuk, and Madame Broshkin wink perhaps there can be attributed .......... Ukraine at least takes 4 place! laughing
    12. +1
      April 23 2014 23: 47
      Quote: Morgan
      Who would doubt that...

      Honestly - that’s how I DIDN’T WANT TO CHECK ...
      1. +1
        April 24 2014 00: 25
        Quote: svp67
        Honestly - that’s how I DIDN’T WANT TO CHECK ...

        Sergey is short and clear.
        Yes Yes Yes
        good
  2. +24
    April 23 2014 13: 23
    In total, the ranking got 106 countries. According to the April version, the first three places went to the USA, Russia and China. Ukraine ended up on a 21 location, between Australia and Iran.


    There are no doubts about the first three places, but Ukraine, in my opinion, is much weaker than Australia and Iran.
    1. +22
      April 23 2014 13: 27
      Quote: Zymran
      but Ukraine, in my opinion, is much weaker than Australia and Iran.

      I would say at times. Almost 80 million Iran with extensive experience in military operations with powerful ideology and Ukraine is 2 times smaller, fragmented with an army destroyed and without ideology.
    2. +13
      April 23 2014 13: 28
      It seems that Ukraine was greatly flattered by giving it 21st place, taking into account the fact that they intensively ruined the army and sold Soviet stocks for 23 years.
      1. +7
        April 23 2014 14: 01
        21 point! To be in the 21st place is to be in the w ... ne!
    3. Smiles to you
      +7
      April 23 2014 13: 29
      I agree. Apparently the calculation was carried out by the number of all equipment (land, sea, air)
      A. how much this equipment, combat-ready or in the ranks, was not taken into account ... And in terms of personnel it is somehow not clear ...
      1. +16
        April 23 2014 14: 11
        That's what went into the army that is not fallow during the years of independence? 10 tanks BM "Oplot" and 76 "bulat" (in fact, not a lot of modernized T64) + every little thing like Jewish balalaikas (UAVs). The Russian army now receives more equipment and equipment per month than the Ukrainian army for all 23 years. I have a simple human question, how? as? they were the first to escape from the union and at that time they had everything! they were a power that had the best navy, army and air force how could they get to that? They had everything that no union republic and the best industry and agriculture + a powerful military industrial complex and even 52 million people could dream of, and where is all this now? I think the one who reads so understands the answer to this question
    4. Argyn-suindyk
      +1
      April 23 2014 14: 31
      Before you laugh, you'd better look at your own! In general, the strength of the army is not in the number of guns, but in its equipment with modern technologies! So Israel would have raised.
      1. +7
        April 23 2014 14: 48
        Quote: Argyn-Suindyk
        Before you laugh, you'd better look at your own! In general, the strength of the army is not in the number of guns, but in its equipment with modern technologies! So Israel would have raised.

        A fellow countryman, the army of our country may not be the best on the planet, but despite corruption, almost all of our equipment has undergone modernization, be it T72 tanks or Mig31 interceptors, now we are preparing for our own assembly of BMPT "frame" (terminator), a huge amount of new equipment arrives and is being discussed contracts for the acquisition of mig35 and s-400 (after saturation of the Russian army) I do not argue that ours is not paradise, we just do at least something, but against the background of the former fraternal republic we look even very nothing. Yes, and our contract service officers already receive, although less than in Russia, they still earn a decent salary, and do not go around the world with an outstretched hand.
    5. +4
      April 23 2014 15: 19
      I respect Iran. They will all stand against the Afroamers as one if, what ...
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  4. Desert Fox
    +22
    April 23 2014 13: 24
    Do not you think that a similar question from the series. Whose father is stronger than yours or your friend? who is stronger than Mike Tyson or Selvestor Stallone?

    rave.

    for we can say anything. But to find out in reality whose army is stronger no one wants. Better a bad world ....
    1. +5
      April 23 2014 13: 33
      It seems to me that such ratings are created in order to impose an arms race, well, or for the US to see who is weaker and who to bombard with democracy. It will not work to impose an arms race, even if they force the entire Black Sea with their troughs. It is better to have a small army, but high-quality and equipped with the latest technology, nuclear stocks are enough to destroy humanity several times.
      1. +1
        April 23 2014 18: 21
        Quote: nika407
        It seems to me that such ratings are created in order to impose an arms race, well, or for the US to see who is weaker and who to bombard with democracy.

        Well, of course!!! Reconnaissance and a bunch of analytical centers for amers are precisely in order to analyze the findings of the magazine, and, of course, from the newspaper they will find out who to democratize next! But our president and the GRU didn’t know that the amers had a strong army, and then the journalists suddenly opened their eyes and thanks to them it was decided to purchase new equipment! otonokak!
  5. +28
    April 23 2014 13: 25
    Whose army is stronger ??

    Weird question! Of course ours !! A warrior is not strong in arms but in his spirit and love for his Fatherland!
    1. Desert Fox
      +24
      April 23 2014 13: 31
      Bye by the Russian soldier
      There are bullets, matches, moonshine,
      Suck x ... tail, NATO soldiers,
      Trembling with fear. Pentagon.
      1. +7
        April 23 2014 13: 41
        Trembling with fear. Pentagon.

        ............... and the Pentagon will become cancer!
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    2. +27
      April 23 2014 13: 35
      rasputin17 SU  Today, 13: 25 
      !! A warrior is not strong in arms but in his spirit and love for his Fatherland!


      "Oh, how the soul spoke

      Our nationality has risen:

      And the terrible power of Russia

      I woke up, whirled up, soared up. ”(C)
      F.N. Glinka
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    5. +6
      April 23 2014 14: 49
      I agree! When it becomes hard in battle, each war saves the most precious. American takes care of his ass laughing , and Russian - his soul good. That's why we are not victorious.
  6. +14
    April 23 2014 13: 25
    I wonder where this armada of 400 Ukrainian salolets, 25 ships and 4112 armored vehicles is? Apparently in the wet dreams of the new "Ukrainian" leaders.
    1. +12
      April 23 2014 13: 29
      More likely in points of reception of metal !!))
      1. +12
        April 23 2014 14: 04
        2 months they are pulled to the border at the places of deployment ...
    2. +6
      April 23 2014 13: 33
      in ambush)
    3. +4
      April 23 2014 14: 05
      1 plane and from crawling units it became 6 units less!
  7. +5
    April 23 2014 13: 26
    The history of world wars has already shown everything. And in the current conditions of nuclear deterrence, everything is very arbitrary, depending on where depending on how and why. In local guerrilla wars, everything is not so simple, and it’s guaranteed that 2 countries can guarantee demolition of a country — we and the Americans.
    Here, someone wrote about the lack of a developed system of counteraction against electronic warfare in the United States, so I think the American army has been sharpened against wars with a deliberately weak enemy, like Israel, which will "help" the guerrilla and yell that they have the strongest army.
    1. Desert Fox
      +9
      April 23 2014 13: 36
      forgot about China.
      it is at least one more country that can easily change its political map with its arsenal.

      In addition, I believe that a country capable of putting under arms about 400 million reservists, in case of war, is worthy, in my opinion, even the first line of this rating.
      1. Povit
        +6
        April 23 2014 13: 56
        Ava try to name at least one victory of the Chinese army over the past 300 years, before putting it in first place. They fight not by numbers, but by fighting spirit and treason, and not even the best equipment in the world. In the first place is definitely Russia.
        1. Desert Fox
          +1
          April 23 2014 14: 11
          easy. Sino-Vietnamese War (1979)
          1. +4
            April 23 2014 14: 49
            As far as I remember, in Vietnam, the French were raking, the Americans and the Chinese got their teeth.
            1. Desert Fox
              +1
              April 23 2014 15: 03
              these are the events of the Vietnamese warriors. The warrior between China and Vietnam came after. What are they teaching in schools now? There is no history as an object? Or have textbooks from the USA been delivered to us? ...
              1. +4
                April 23 2014 15: 26
                Quote: Desert Fox
                these are the events of the Vietnamese warriors. The warrior between China and Vietnam came after. What are they teaching in schools now? There is no history as an object? Or have textbooks from the USA been delivered to us? ...

                Sorry, I don't know what they teach at school now, I studied there a long time ago. But in fact: "With a six-fold numerical superiority over the Vietnamese army, and 12-fold in tanks and self-propelled guns, the Chinese troops were able to advance only 15 kilometers" And you call this a Chinese victory? The Chinese got shit there as soon as they could. Use various sources and look at this conflict more objectively.
                1. 0
                  April 23 2014 18: 36
                  Quote: Stas
                  Sorry, I don't know what they teach at school now, I studied there a long time ago. But in fact: "With a six-fold numerical superiority over the Vietnamese army, and 12-fold in tanks and self-propelled guns, the Chinese troops were able to advance only 15 kilometers" And you call this a Chinese victory? The Chinese got shit there as soon as they could. Use various sources and look at this conflict more objectively.

                  Hmm, you don't know much about this. China was afraid that the Soviet Union would give her a head if she would continue to fight against Vietnam, but the PLA then did not advance as fast as they wanted, but the fact that the Vietnamese army was almost defeated you certainly missed. Yes, and the PLA Indians piled on the most reluctant. And about how the Chinese saved North Korea from the clutches of NATO, I will not tell, because such a person who writes about 300-year-old peaceful China is just a fool! TWO stories!
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              2. +1
                April 23 2014 15: 59
                so the Chinese lost it
                Are you trying to rub us in?
              3. +2
                April 23 2014 16: 23
                Quote: Desert Fox
                Or have textbooks from the USA been delivered to us? ...


                After all, how long ago it was necessary to ask this question. As soon as they started talking about 11-year secondary education, they brought it in. Physics, chemistry, biology, all mathematics, even astronomy and that "bourgeois" took their schools from the school curriculum of the USSR. for children a program of dropouts, there is no such number of academic hours / hours for children to consolidate the material, they cannot even study it
        2. +3
          April 23 2014 15: 57
          "From defeat to defeat to complete victory!" (Great Mao)
          To understand the power of the Chinese army, you need to know Eastern philosophy and their worldview. Without this, all the "hopes" for three hundred years of continuous "failure" are an attempt to calm oneself down. By the way, this also applies to the fighting spirit of the Chinese.
        3. +2
          April 23 2014 16: 51
          Remember Korea 1953 the Chinese broke the Amers.
      2. 0
        April 23 2014 13: 58
        What do you think of the reservists? By the number of persons liable for military service? Then yes. But where in China to get so many sticks-onions-slingshots?
      3. +1
        April 23 2014 14: 00
        Plus India)). But they will not demolish us and the United States, so I did not include them as "limited wink demolition "
  8. +7
    April 23 2014 13: 28
    In many respects, the strength of the army depends on morale, on the ability of a soldier to make self-sacrifice for the sake of his homeland (country), and maybe the state.
    1. nicollider
      +5
      April 23 2014 13: 48
      There was a joke in Soviet times:
      China declared war on the USSR. After the capture of 300 million Chinese, the USSR capitulated
  9. +9
    April 23 2014 13: 29
    But still nice!

    When will some "diplomats" understand that Russia is not Syria or Libya in order to teach us how to live and frighten us with their frigates with aluminum armor?
  10. Ural guys
    +4
    April 23 2014 13: 29
    Our tanks are superior.
    Although in the modern world, nano developments will most likely be applied.
    As for the number of troops, this is not an indicator. Today is, but not tomorrow. Or may increase.
    1. +3
      April 23 2014 13: 36
      We have counted a lot of tanks, apparently those that have been in storage since the times of the USSR.
  11. +2
    April 23 2014 13: 29
    And it pleases us that we are in the forefront. Even without nuclear weapons. So vorogi, stand near our borders, whine from the fact that we are too tough for you.
    1. +3
      April 23 2014 14: 43
      So hell, stand near our borders
      no need to stand, let them lie better, it’s more convenient to fold and transport
  12. +5
    April 23 2014 13: 30
    Here I especially liked about Ukraine !!! Then of course they went wild: 25 ships — you need half a plus to get to Russia, then I think about aviation, from the strength of 100 flying sides, you’ll get enough, and tens of thousands of soldiers need to get plus to the Russian army — they stayed in Crimea. In general, brechut as always! Yes, while 3 tanks were mobilized, burned, drowned the loading car, the gun mount was screwed up, they were put on a rough plane, it ran through an Internet that a couple of BMDs were burned ... these are just known facts, but how much is unknown? So minus too ...
  13. +3
    April 23 2014 13: 30
    It also says that nuclear weapons were not specifically taken into account, because this would make no sense for such a rating.
    1. +8
      April 23 2014 13: 35
      Do you find this rating meaningful ???
  14. +25
    April 23 2014 13: 31
    The strongest army is that which:
    - Heaped Napoleon,
    - Hitler brought to suicide.
    And there is nothing for other countries to show off their showers whose army is stronger.
    And the Russian soldier is modest in appearance and strong in spirit.

    And ... I beg you - we don’t need to learn English, well, don’t ... pity the English-speaking countries.
    wink
    Better they learn the Russian language: if anyone gets to us, it’s easier for them to communicate in captivity ...
    Yes
    1. 0
      April 23 2014 16: 26
      Quote: Aleks tv
      if anyone gets into us, it’s easier for them to communicate in captivity ...

      or maybe you won’t take a willow? Why torture yourself, etc.
  15. +9
    April 23 2014 13: 32
    In my opinion, Ukraine has, by and large, no army. Only individual connections. And if we take into account the complete dependence of the state in energy resources and the collapse of the economy, then it should be in the second half of the list.

    And if you look closely, then the state is also gone.
  16. HAM
    +5
    April 23 2014 13: 32
    Yesterday I heard in r / l on the air: in Ukraine they are already selling batteries from tanks! What army are we talking about?
    1. Smiles to you
      +1
      April 23 2014 14: 12
      And how much for a kilo, they gave, Do not know? ...
      Can buy in the garage, alone ...
  17. Smiles to you
    +1
    April 23 2014 13: 33
    Interesting. was to find out the rating of Belarus in this list ...
    1. +5
      April 23 2014 13: 50
      Interesting. was to find out the rating of Belarus in this list ...

      I agree ... I think the Belarusians will give odds to any army in Europe.
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    3. Not angry
      +3
      April 23 2014 14: 17
      Quote: Smiles at you
      Interesting. was to find out the rating of Belarus in this list ...



      It’s all easier for us out of 100 inhabitants including infants 1 policeman 1 military
  18. +17
    April 23 2014 13: 33
    Yeah!!! The palm is clearly on their side !! laughing
  19. +5
    April 23 2014 13: 35
    Hm. Quantity is not an indicator yet. As rightly noted, Ukraine is in 21 place. What's the point?
    1. +2
      April 23 2014 13: 52
      Quote: EugeneLee
      Hm. Quantity is not an indicator yet. As rightly noted, Ukraine is in 21 place. What's the point?

      The situation would change dramatically if, for example, again, Germans or Turks climbed into Ukraine, but who knows!
      1. +2
        April 23 2014 16: 30
        Quote: kocclissi
        The situation would change dramatically if, for example, again, Germans or Turks climbed into Ukraine, but who knows!

        duck the Americans are already there and they take everything without a fight. Ukrainian "patriots" themselves give their homeland amers.
  20. +2
    April 23 2014 13: 36
    And if you take into account morale - I think I won’t shine first place. am
  21. +8
    April 23 2014 13: 36
    It’s like a Russian soldier, suddenly (which is very rare), where all armies appear so for some reason the desire to fight disappears.
  22. +6
    April 23 2014 13: 36
    But in general, if there is a war between the United States and Russia, it will be the LAST WAR!
  23. +7
    April 23 2014 13: 37
    No matter which army is stronger, and how armed, the main thing is what will be fought for, for which and whose ideals.
  24. +2
    April 23 2014 13: 37
    Quote: Zymran
    There are no doubts about the first three places, but Ukraine, in my opinion, is much weaker than Australia and Iran.


    The Ukrainian army can be divided in half.
    1. +3
      April 23 2014 14: 41
      it can already be multiplied by zero in fact
  25. +1
    April 23 2014 13: 40
    The larger the army, the more corpses (only for the US Army).
  26. +4
    April 23 2014 13: 41
    Campaign in front of the place of Ukraine lost one, or even two. 21st place to Ukraine can only be given 20 years ago. Now the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army is somewhere between the armies of Zimbabwe and Botswana. And the general talents of its leaders are in the area of ​​talents of the commanders of the Zulus army and the Tumba-Yumba tribe. Therefore, the rating does not cause much confidence.
    1. +7
      April 23 2014 14: 47
      The Zulus should not be offended; they even threw down the vaunted English infantry with spears!
  27. +2
    April 23 2014 13: 42
    Hmm ... the Iranian guards are so weak (22nd place) ...? The fighting power of the descendants of the Great Cyrus is apparently judged by the film "300 Spartans". Of course, the glorious name of the past is not enough, but I still think that if these experts learned to take into account a very important factor in assessing combat readiness, like the morale of the people, then their alignment would turn out different. Wo Nguyen Gyap was able, albeit with the help of the USSR, to defeat the fancy USA.
  28. P-38
    +1
    April 23 2014 13: 43
    What is it and where did you find the army in Tsukraine? Is there an army there? If the army was there, it would have long ago brushed off Benderlogs
    1. +1
      April 23 2014 14: 30
      It’s not a soldier’s thing to run after animals. smile
  29. +4
    April 23 2014 13: 43
    If China pulls up the reservists, they can even not be given weapons: they simply fill up with bodies. wink
  30. +6
    April 23 2014 13: 44
    As events in Syria and Ukraine have shown ... strength and armament are not the main components ... morality ... fershtein.
  31. +3
    April 23 2014 13: 46
    The assessment is very superficial - only by the number of samples in service (or rather, declared) without taking into account their condition and combat effectiveness, that is, with the approach that the T-34 and T-90 are taken into account as equivalent, which is fundamentally wrong. Plus, the staffing of parts, the number of parts of a permanent BG and other important factors are not taken into account. Hence the result - Ukraine is in 21st place, although the real state of the army is somewhere near some not-so-developed African country
  32. +3
    April 23 2014 13: 46
    Our army is not small, but there are only enough areas of deterrence with such territory.

    Only the West is ready to oppose us more than 2 million, and yet there is the East.
  33. Rubmolot
    +3
    April 23 2014 13: 47
    Numbers, numbers, numbers ...
    Absolutely insufficient information for a serious answer to the question at the beginning of the article.
  34. +10
    April 23 2014 13: 48
    Suppose that 3 MV began, but without the use of nuclear weapons. All high-precision ammunition will be emitted in 2 weeks, high-tech equipment will be destroyed by cheap efficiency - RPG, MANPADS, PCR. Then, the stash of HH will be printed out and the one who won the war will be the one whose personnel will not take off, but defend their homeland.
  35. +4
    April 23 2014 13: 48
    The Ukrainian army is the strongest! They are there on the "Niva" rusty tanks, infantry fighting vehicles drive across the field and capture .. bully And then they occupy themselves with the Russian flags .. laughing .... however (in a good sense of the word)))
  36. +2
    April 23 2014 13: 48
    It is interesting to look at what criteria were distributed.
  37. 0
    April 23 2014 13: 50
    Bob0859 SU But actually, if there is a war between the USA and Russia, it will be the LAST WAR!

    AM / E / R / s apparently hope that the "theater" of the last war will not touch them, they are on another continent, but I would, in the place of Russia, GOD DON'T HAVE THIS HAPPEN, with the first salvo from NATO or the United States , at two addresses AT THE SAME TIME, and towards the EU and towards the USA, would launch with the same charges, in response.
    1. Smiles to you
      +1
      April 23 2014 13: 58
      And there is. they (Mattresses), forgot what war is, on their territory ...
      Therefore, greyhounds are ...
  38. +4
    April 23 2014 13: 50
    Our in 1st place, they forgot to take into account Russian patriotism !!!
    1. +2
      April 23 2014 14: 10
      It's right!!
      Nothing so unites the Russian people as a common threat!
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  40. +11
    April 23 2014 13: 54
    Our army, even in the worst times, showed itself in the best way.
    1. +2
      April 23 2014 14: 35
      Quote: mabuta
      Our army, even in the worst times, showed itself in the best way.

      And now, in addition, she is surrounded by the care and love of the people and the state ...
  41. +1
    April 23 2014 13: 54
    If there is a sharp mess, the account of tanks and personnel will not be very important. After exchanging vigorous strikes, there will be nothing to consider. Accumulated nuclear weapons to destroy all life on earth with a margin.
  42. kelevra
    +2
    April 23 2014 13: 55
    Quantity, of course, is good, but much depends on the quality of troops and equipment, as well as on a moral indicator!
  43. 0
    April 23 2014 13: 57
    Quote: krechet-1978
    Suppose that 3 MV began, but without the use of nuclear weapons. All high-precision ammunition will be emitted in 2 weeks, high-tech equipment will be destroyed by cheap efficiency - RPG, MANPADS, PCR. Then, the stash of HH will be printed out and the one who won the war will be the one whose personnel will not take off, but defend their homeland.


    By the way ... There is still such a thing as irreplaceable combat losses.
    So: the majority of reservists were trained on old military equipment. The equipment is being updated, it requires retraining, how will it be replenished? By whom?
  44. 0
    April 23 2014 13: 58
    I want to believe that everything is not so bad winked
  45. +1
    April 23 2014 13: 59
    The size of the army in 1% of the population will repel the desire for military intervention by foreign states. Security alone cannot be resolved without a corresponding technical component. Plus, the high mobility of units individually and as part of groupings.
    And if we distract from security issues - with this money you could at least colonize the solar system and, as a result, fossils, technology, medicine, education. I am sure that in Africa, South America and even crowds of bright heads disappear from lack of demand.
  46. 0
    April 23 2014 14: 01
    That Army is strong, where the soldier is "greyhound", victory in battle is not for equipment, but for those who have more courage! And in the first three months of the war we will take the equipment, steal it and privatize it from the enemy!
  47. +3
    April 23 2014 14: 02
    Yes, all these ratings are nonsense. Without taking into account patriotism, the sacrifice of soldiers is all nonsense. I do not think that the Americans have such as Sailors or Gastello. They riot over the hairstyles. How they fight: First they strangle the state with sanctions, then they disarm them with the help of various world organizations, and then they bomb them stupidly (not paying attention to civilian casualties) AND ALL
  48. 0
    April 23 2014 14: 03
    Comparison of the armies of Russia and Europe:
    1. +2
      April 23 2014 14: 28
      Eeee, and what is this nonsense in the picture? what
  49. Counter
    +2
    April 23 2014 14: 04
    They have in their billboards and Abrams "the best tank in the world", and the British Challenger is naturally on the 2nd. I would not begin to peer so closely at these tablets, the ideological component in them is very large. But the place of Ukraine here frankly amused! Svidomo will now open up with pride! good
  50. Orc-xnumx
    +3
    April 23 2014 14: 04
    What this rating is worth is seen in the 21st place in it in Ukraine, with a completely unworkable army!
  51. +2
    April 23 2014 14: 05
    But from the taiga to the British seas
    The Red Army is the strongest.
  52. +2
    April 23 2014 14: 05
    Of course everyone has their own army. But this comparison is relative. If two armies are at war, and they are fighting on the territory of one of the warring parties, then the number of the army subjected to aggression increases due to the country’s human reserves (for example, if we recall the pioneer heroes of the Second World War), and also, if we take into account the moral and volitional abilities of the nation, then maybe a small group of patriots can capture an entire army of the aggressor.
  53. 0
    April 23 2014 14: 05
    There is no Israel, although the Israeli Armed Forces so far have the best “performance” and in general quantity is not the most important thing, this is important only in a protracted war, but now is the age of local wars.
  54. +2
    April 23 2014 14: 06
    All these numbers are pussy measurements! Polite people are the strategic reserve of kt. will break any number of tanks, planes, ships!!!
  55. Smiles to you
    +2
    April 23 2014 14: 06
    According to the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation, Quantity must turn into Quality.
    That's what we hope...
  56. tnship2
    +4
    April 23 2014 14: 09
    The strongest so far is the army of Bashar Assad, which is resisting all the world’s evil spirits. The big question is whose soldiers will be stronger if Assad’s soldiers clash with the Americans in a fair fight. Of course, this is not possible for the simple reason that the Americans have not fought honestly for a long time. Only bombs destroy states.
  57. +1
    April 23 2014 14: 10
    By the way, an interesting site... last year, in my opinion, we were third behind China.

    21st place for Ukraine - they obviously got carried away. I doubt that IRAN has the same “combat-ready” army.
  58. +2
    April 23 2014 14: 15
    Quote: taseka
    That Army is strong, where the soldier is "greyhound", victory in battle is not for equipment, but for those who have more courage! And in the first three months of the war we will take the equipment, steal it and privatize it from the enemy!


    smiled, this is one of those pearls where
    We’ll take Grozny with two airborne regiments in a couple of hours.
    ..you need to look at things realistically, then the result will be correct. Although I don’t like amers myself, in terms of technology they are really “ahead of the rest of the planet.” China also deserves a sober analysis, they are still cunning, insidious creatures.
    1. +2
      April 23 2014 14: 22
      Quote: 290980
      Quote: taseka
      That Army is strong, where the soldier is "greyhound", victory in battle is not for equipment, but for those who have more courage! And in the first three months of the war we will take the equipment, steal it and privatize it from the enemy!

      smiled, this is one of those pearls where


      No brother, we’ve actually been through this before. The phrase “Give birth by morning” exists only in our army. Since you can take away your own bastard, at least in a trench, there is no choice left.
  59. +9
    April 23 2014 14: 16
    LIGHTNING!!!!

    This morning at 8:30 Moscow time (4:30 Damascus), regular units of the Syrian Army, with the support of the National Militia as well as units of the Lebanese Hezbollah organization, destroyed 36 (!) terrorist rats during a 1019-hour battle. The culmination of the battle was a joint strike by all three forces (SAR, NOC, Hezbollah) on the enemy’s forehead, followed by encirclement and total destruction of the terrorists. Among those killed were hundreds of Saudis, Yementes, Moroccans and other mercenaries. The shock from the sudden blow and such defeat is such that it is unknown whether any of the rats were able to escape or whether anyone was captured at all. The battle ended with the complete liberation of Al-maaleha.
    1. Smiles to you
      +4
      April 23 2014 14: 25
      The air will become cleaner ...
      I think there is also a particle in the next military operation (successful). There is also a merit of Russia..
      To Assad and the people of Syria: Fortitude and Courage... soldier
    2. tnship2
      0
      April 23 2014 14: 33
      This is news! Where to lead? Please send me the link, good people. Well done. There are no words
  60. +4
    April 23 2014 14: 23
    Tanks are good, but they do not take into account such factors as the soldier’s spirit, motivation, willingness to die so that your friends survive, from history - this is not available to many armies, as it was - one rifle for three, and nothing, they won. So a lot of iron is not everything.
  61. +2
    April 23 2014 14: 30
    Why do all these calculations, who is stronger, who has longer, anyway the statistics are lying by thirty to forty percent in one direction or the other. We know about ourselves what we are like, they don’t touch us and we won’t touch us, but if we touch you, blame yourself , many later regretted why they went to Russia. There was once an army in Ukraine, but now only one memory remains. But such a fate was destined for us if the different Mercedes Pashas and Taburetkins remained at the helm.
  62. 0
    April 23 2014 14: 32
    Ukraine...well, you can’t compare it with Iran in military terms, this is clearly too much of course!
  63. -1
    April 23 2014 14: 33
    Where do we get 352 warships from? wassat ?
    What are we minus? I personally don’t understand why our fleet suddenly became so large!
  64. -2
    April 23 2014 14: 38
    I don’t see any point in assessments without nuclear weapons and the possibility of delivery. Somehow, a couple of tanks will “overwhelm” a 100 thousand army with spears and bows.
  65. 0
    April 23 2014 14: 38
    Ukraine was in 21th place, between Australia and Iran.


    In my opinion, Iran will easily tear up the ruins, so I think they are far from close.
  66. +1
    April 23 2014 14: 41
    Quote: A1L9E4K9S

    A1L9E4K9S


    Today, 14: 30

    ↓ New


    Why do all these calculations, who is stronger, who has longer, anyway the statistics are lying by thirty to forty percent in one direction or the other. We know about ourselves what we are like, they don’t touch us and we won’t touch us, but if we touch you, blame yourself , many later regretted why they went to Russia. There was once an army in Ukraine, but now only one memory remains. But such a fate was destined for us, if the different Mercedes Pashas had remained at the helm

    Yes, it was the case when Chubais’ members were Tsereushniks’ advisers. We were able to get rid of this, but Ukraine could not. Here is the result.
  67. 0
    April 23 2014 14: 46
    Yesterday, information flashed on TV, saying that 20 mercenaries disappeared somewhere in the Donetsk region. Does anyone have reliable information?
    1. +1
      April 23 2014 14: 59
      Quote: sergkar
      Yesterday, information flashed on TV, saying that 20 mercenaries disappeared somewhere in the Donetsk region. Does anyone have reliable information?



      There are already more than 20, I think they have all “disappeared” and will be presented at the right time.
    2. 0
      April 23 2014 15: 04
      They have already surfaced in the English Channel. laughing

      Woke up ... wink
  68. Rubmolot
    +2
    April 23 2014 14: 54
    The Americans already have 13 aircraft!
  69. +2
    April 23 2014 14: 56
    Sorry for being off topic, but I remembered. laughing

  70. Dromac
    +1
    April 23 2014 15: 03
    The 21st place of the Ukrainian region is surprising, even higher than Iran. How is that? I think she belongs at the end of 100.
  71. +3
    April 23 2014 15: 07
    Whose amia is stronger?


    23.04.2014 - 14: 20
    The first information has appeared about unrest in the 93rd brigade located in the Dnepropetrovsk region (video, profanity)

    The day before yesterday, riots occurred in the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of the 6th AK (urban village Cherkasskoe, Novomoskovsk district, Dnepropetrovsk region).

    Mobilized citizens do not want to participate in a fratricidal war and are outraged by the “bestial attitude” on the part of the Kyiv authorities, who cannot provide the most minimal level of household amenities and sufficient food even in peacetime.

    Let us remember that it was in this brigade that two servicemen were killed during shootings two weeks ago.



    1. 0
      April 23 2014 15: 11
      Quote: Corsair
      Whose army is stronger?
  72. +1
    April 23 2014 15: 15
    Testing the combat readiness of the army does not have clear parameters.
    Everything that is visible does not determine the strength of the armed forces.
    Much is hidden, and there are also deceptive or disinformation formations.
    During protracted hostilities, the determining factor will be the state of the economy and the speed of its transfer to military needs.
    Motivation and training of military personnel when solving combat missions.
    The strategy must be a complete abandonment of the tactics of past wars.
    Modern weapons must be in capable hands and competent mentors with modern combat experience.
    Atomic weapons are like the last argument in a war where there will be no more winners and losers.
  73. +1
    April 23 2014 15: 26

    UKRAINE 20.04.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX Former intelligence officer Kedmi named the date for Russia's liberation of Ukraine from US intervention.
    INTERVIEW TO RUSSIAN TELEVISION OF ISRAEL
    SOURCE OF INFORMATION: - http://youtu.be/j3v5In2cNmA (Sergey Kashtanov·479 videos)
  74. -2
    April 23 2014 15: 34
    Quote: Hans51
    Rasea is one of the oldest names in Russia,
    which increases Light on Earth and is a Power.
    Race - from the words: "RA", which means "Shining of the Truth of the Most High";
    "Se" means "this";
    "I" is the pronoun "I".
    Literally: "Race" - "I Am the Radiance of the Truth of the Most High"

    You should watch less clowns on TV and read more normal history textbooks.
  75. +2
    April 23 2014 15: 41
    All these ratings are based on a simple axiom: you can win a war, but you cannot win the PEOPLE.
  76. +1
    April 23 2014 15: 46
    Gentlemen, discussions are pointless... who compiled this rating? Based on what data? Who benefits from it....don't you forget? No doubt.....the foremost of the warriors are the Americans....well, who would doubt the rare fighting qualities of blacks and pederasts?
  77. 0
    April 23 2014 15: 56
    Somehow our army looks pale against the backdrop of mattresses and China in terms of the number of military personnel, as for ships, apparently this figure also included the ships of the auxiliary fleet and those troughs that are dragged by the nostrils to exercises.
    1. 0
      April 23 2014 16: 31
      There is no doubt about people, our mobile resources are significantly higher than those of America but not China due to the existing school of conscript service. It was not for nothing that the “unthinkable” was intended to destroy, if I’m not mistaken, half the population with one nuclear strike. But now it’s easier to ask the Fed to print a couple of tons of pieces of paper and put them in the Moscow Maidan. People themselves will overthrow their power.
  78. +2
    April 23 2014 16: 22
    There are no problems with tanks =)
  79. +1
    April 23 2014 16: 23
    Ratings depend on their customers. Apparently, the customers of this rating were the Americans.
  80. 0
    April 23 2014 16: 25
    Quote: mackonya
    There is no Israel, although the Israeli Armed Forces so far have the best “performance” and in general quantity is not the most important thing, this is important only in a protracted war, but now is the age of local wars.


    And what’s interesting is that the Israelis themselves write about this.
  81. +1
    April 23 2014 16: 34
    This "rating" is a complete joke. And his price is absolutely zero. You don’t need to look far for proof; just look at Ukraine’s 21st place in this “rating”. Somehow the 21st method does not fit with the hungry and the soldiers.
  82. +1
    April 23 2014 16: 39
    "Ukraine is in 21st place, between Australia and Iran."

    They clearly flattered Ukraine.
  83. -1
    April 23 2014 16: 51
    Quote: Stas
    As far as I remember, in Vietnam, the French were raking, the Americans and the Chinese got their teeth.


    In the first days of the war, the commander of the Chinese invasion army died. China was opposed by Vietnamese border guards and militia. After occupying two border provincial centers, the regular army of Vietnam entered the battle and mobilization was announced. Soon after, China announced a withdrawal of troops. The balance of forces is more than 250000 (China) - about 100000 - Vietnam. The PLA was unable to show effectiveness in the face of opposition from the people's militia and border guards and overwhelming superiority in manpower, and Vietnam did not show the ability to defend itself, although China announced the achievement of the goals of military operations, and Vietnam declared victory. In short, no one really won.
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  85. +1
    April 23 2014 17: 04
    Damn, I didn't read the whole thread.
    - It’s not a matter of quantity and not even really a matter of quality..
    - Remember the 2nd World War
    And not even in human reserves. Depends on those who sit in combat vehicles, in control, communications, and various types of intelligence officers.
    -In spirit, and reasons why to fight back.
    In Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, the United States crap.. The population has a lot of weapons and they put a bolt on everyone. Vietnam and Korea are great examples of this.
  86. +1
    April 23 2014 17: 07
    "...Whose army is stronger?..."

    What a question? Ours of course!
    Maybe not with weapons, but with military spirit - for sure! And this, as practice shows, is the basis! Basis!
  87. +1
    April 23 2014 17: 07
    For those Russian politicians who are still in some kind of rosy euphoria, I want to say that there is no longer a united Ukraine, just as there is no longer a united Ukrainian people. The Ukraine project within its previous borders is de facto completed. You can deny the obvious as much as you like, calling on the rebellious regions to federalize, but these people will no longer be able to live in one state. Federalization of Ukraine is the path to a postponed civil war.
    I understand the desire of part of the Russian political establishment to keep this territorial entity within the former borders of Ukraine, but unfortunately this is a road to nowhere.
    Indeed, Ukraine can have a federal structure. But what kind of federation can there be if in one part of the federation people honor veterans of the Great Patriotic War, and in another part of this state on this day they declare mourning for those with whom our ancestors fought?
    Let's be honest with ourselves. We will no longer get all of Ukraine. This is impossible. Today, our goal can be only one thing, the withdrawal from Ukraine of the maximum possible number of pro-Russian regions, the creation on their basis of an independent state or their inclusion in Russia, providing all pro-Russian residents from western Ukraine with the opportunity to settle in Russia and fixing the status -quo.

    What do we achieve with this:
    1. Interethnic and intercultural conflict is stopped and, as a result, the United States will not achieve its goal of creating a hotbed of instability on Russia’s borders.
    2. Russia will receive about 15 - 20 million educated, culturally identical population and, as a bonus, a somewhat outdated, but economically developed infrastructure.
    3. Ukraine within the new borders becomes a mono-ethnic, mono-cultural state, completely independent from Russia, with which normal market relations begin as with the whole of Eastern Europe.
    4. Since the pipelines on the territory of the new Ukraine come under the full control of the European Union, the issue of transporting gas to Europe is being resolved. This issue completely falls into their area of ​​responsibility. And as a result, the United States is not achieving its goal in gas blackmail of Europe.
    Yes, this is a difficult step, but without taking it, we will get on Russia’s borders not only a civil war with an unknown outcome, but also a source of instability through which the United States will carry out economic blackmail of Russia.
    Let’s understand the main thing: what is now located on the territory of what was once western Ukraine is openly hostile territory towards Russia. The people who live there, they don’t want to have anything to do with Russia. They don’t need a common history with us, they don’t need a common culture with Russia, they don’t need a common economy with Russia. These people, after 20 years of living in an independent pseudo-state, have made their choice and the best thing we can do is to let them go on all four sides.
    Yes, there will be an acute period of sanctions. Yes, there will be anti-Russian hysteria. But all this will not last long, you will just have to get over it. The most important thing is that then there will be no big war, there will simply be no reason because of which it could arise.
    Member of the General Council of the WPP "Party Dela", Member of the Council of the Municipal Organization "VECHE",
    Member of the Russian Committee of Solidarity with the Peoples of Libya and Syria
    Vladimir Orlov
  88. -2
    April 23 2014 17: 52
    Comrade Vova Orlov, have you probably read the same thing or watched enough TV? Didn’t it ever occur to you why Slavyansk and Kramatorsk don’t slide off the screens, but there is complete silence about Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov?

    It's simple - in all cities there are a maximum of 15-20 supporters of federalization. The rest are either sitting at home or against it. And as soon as Russia crosses the border, these opponents will immediately join the ranks of the Ukrainian army. And then she will turn from an object of ridicule into a mass of people embittered at their existence and their lives, who have finally had their finger pointed at the “right” enemy... They will tear with their teeth.....
    There is no need to teach Putin what to do.... Everyone is so smart... And then such passages on forums will be screened and posted on Ukrainian resources.. And no other evidence is needed. I consider such posts thoughtless but provocative.

    The fruit must ripen and fall off on its own as soon as the stem rots, otherwise it cannot be picked.

    Now for the posts above:
    1. Pavel Grachev then proposed an ideal option - this is me regarding 2 airborne regiments. At that time it was the most reasonable decision. I, as a person slightly involved in those times, have to report - plein airs were held, the personnel showed high training (against whom they were not informed) of acting in special groups in complete isolation... Intelligence worked superbly, meticulously calculating and identifying all the so-called hotbeds of tension in territories both in Chechnya itself and in neighboring areas. If the command had come, then the special forces units, simultaneously using mobility, local guides (many were later handed over by Yeltsin’s men and were executed), knowledge of the situation, would have neutralized both the entire elite and all possible leaders in the republic. Plus, they would not only take control of all the weapons and weapons that were at that time, but also organize the protection of storage sites until the weapons were completely removed to the territory of greater Russia.... They didn’t give it, and then they rinsed Grachev, making him a Mercedes plow and other..... For the fact that in 93 he completely refused to give command to the troops. And for the fact that he knew the true reasons for the war in the Caucasus.

    2. Recounting iron and soldiers does not provide any objectivity. As an example, I advise you to read the history of the creation of the Israeli Merkava tank... You will learn a lot of surprising and unpleasant things about our tanks, and why it happened that they burned like candles, although it was the Ural engineers who warned about this... The main thing is not the quantity of equipment and soldier, and the ability to use this quantity... I'm talking about the work of headquarters and, first of all, the organization of communications as a transmission link for the receipt and execution of commands. So far, everything here is lame.... It has already become much better, but.... We lag behind both the USA and Germany (I don’t know the specifics about other armies, but it’s the Bundeswehr that I’ve been working on lately.

    By the way, the Chinese army is already ahead of us in terms of electronic equipment, and significantly... We will be able to catch up with them when full supplies of the same Ratnik go to the troops.
    1. 0
      April 23 2014 18: 07
      Quote: Santor
      Pavel Grachev then proposed an ideal option - this is me about 2 airborne regiments. At that time it was the most reasonable decision.

      Victor, if possible, be more detailed.
      What kind of... ahem...KShM is this?
      At that time I was a green flyer and didn’t quite know what the General Staff planned in 93.

      No sarcasm, really interesting.
      And where can I read it?
  89. pirotir1
    +1
    April 23 2014 18: 35
    How, after such a failure, is Ukraine in 21st place? between Australia and Iran?
  90. +1
    April 23 2014 19: 02
    When counting the military equipment of the Outskirts, monument tanks were apparently also counted. smile
  91. Leshka
    +1
    April 23 2014 19: 28
    All the same, the number of our army is very small for our size: 776 people are not enough
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  93. +1
    April 24 2014 06: 10
    What is the power...
  94. STALIN8
    0
    April 24 2014 06: 22
    Quote: Leshka
    All the same, the number of our army is very small for our size: 776 people are not enough

    "To fight not by numbers, but by skill."
    A. Suvorov
  95. 0
    April 25 2014 07: 45
    Well, they all count according to hardware, but it is necessary according to the national spirit, out of love for the Motherland, for their friends and comrades-in-arms: "... there is no greater honor than to lay down your life for your friends.."! Well, in what army in the world are the main commandments: “Soul to God, Life to the Fatherland, Honor to yourself”! Have they been counting since the time of Napoleon and where are they? Well, life and History teach nothing to the stupid, arrogant Saxons!
  96. 0
    3 May 2014 19: 11
    Quote: Dmitry Toderese
    "In general, the huge number of US infantry is surprising, one and a half million!"


    “Well, actually, the United States doesn’t need aggressors” - damn, I made a mistake, but it’s impossible to correct it!!! Ugh!
    I wanted to write this: “Well, actually, they need the United States as aggressors.”

    Well, actually, the United States needs the aggressors - if the air bombing does not work - for example, Syria - they will land troops and fill the enemy trenches with corpses, and then on CNN they will say about small losses. By the way, regarding quality - the United States lost no less than us in Afghanistan, and this despite the fact that their infantry mainly guards the bases (chestnuts in ground battles are caught by Europeans - the Balts, Germans, Romanians, Poles, etc.) - not well - This means the quality of the Russian infantry (I am not being cynical) is higher.

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