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In the Baltic Fleet appeared rocket boat "Kuznetsk"

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According to the "And MASH", at the main naval base of the Baltic fleet a ceremony was held at which the R-129 missile boat received a new nominal name “Kuznetsk” in honor of the city in the Penza region.


The ceremony was attended by representatives of the commanding staff of the Baltic Fleet, city administrations of Baltiysk and Kuznetsk, military personnel, representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church, as well as veterans and public organizations.

It is noted that the agreement on assigning a name to the boat will contribute to the further development of patronage relations between the city and the Baltic naval base. According to the old tradition, the crew for such ships is selected from the sailors who are called from this city.

Kuznetsk became the second missile boat, named in honor of the city in the Penza region. In April, the X-NUMX of the P-2012 missile boat received the nominal name Zarechny.

The main purpose of the rocket boat Kuznetsk of the 12411T project is the destruction of warships, amphibious vehicles and enemy vehicles, the strengthening of the air defense of transport groups, ships, torpedo and rocket boats, as well as their cover from the attacks of the enemy light forces.

The 76-mm AK-176 artillery mounts armament, four Termite anti-ship missile launchers, two AK-30 anti-aircraft artillery systems and man-portable air defense systems are on the list of weapons of the boat.
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat April 23 2014 12: 38
    +22
    I was very happy at first, I read "cruiser" instead of "boat", but also not bad. We will wait for cruisers too.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 12: 59
      +13
      The Baltic cruisers have nowhere to turn around. This is not the Northern Fleet.
      1. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR April 23 2014 17: 52
        0
        So it’s not like a new one, they just renamed it, as I understand it.
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 23 2014 13: 14
      +5
      Termite is a rather old rocket, perhaps the latest modifications are very different from the first rockets produced in 60 ...
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 23 2014 13: 24
        +7
        ShturmKGB
        Termite is a rather old rocket, perhaps the latest modifications are very different from the first rockets produced in 60 ...


        Missile boat "Zarechny"

        weaponry
        Navigational weapons

        NRLS "Kivach-2" (project 12411-T)
        Radar station "Pechora" (project 12411-M)
        Radar weapons
        Radar UO MR-123/176 "Pennant"
        Radar Monolith-T or radar Harpoon and Harpoon-E
        Radio-electronic armament
        laser warning system "Spectrum-F"
        active electronic warfare products:
        Vympel-P2
        means of passive electronic warfare:
        2 × PK-16
        4 × PC-10 (optional)
        Artillery
        1 × 76 mm AU AK-176
        Flak
        2 × 30 mm ZAK AK-630M
        Missile weapons
        4 × 1 PU PKR P-15 Termite or Mosquito
        4 × MANPADS "Strela-3"
        (ammunition - 16 missiles)

        Do you mean this modernization?
        P-15M "Termite" - the missile version, modernized in 1972, has a double range (80 km), the mass accordingly increased to 2,5 tons (warhead - 513 kg). Could be equipped with both conventional and nuclear warheads.

    3. Validator
      Validator April 23 2014 13: 19
      +11
      He lived and studied in Kuznetsk for several years. A good city, imprisoned under the military-industrial complex. Proud that name
      a ship close to me is named a ship !!!
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx April 23 2014 20: 26
        0
        Quote: Validator
        He lived and studied in Kuznetsk for several years. A good city, imprisoned under the military-industrial complex.

        What do you mean by this, and don't you confuse the cities? Are you sure about Kuznetsk in the Penza region? I myself am from Penza, I visited Kuznetsk several times, but I can’t say anything like that. Furniture, shoes, beer and nothing else.
    4. Tersky
      Tersky April 23 2014 14: 00
      +5
      Quote: Good cat
      I was very happy at first, I read "cruiser" instead of "boat", but also not bad. We will wait for cruisers too.

      Read carefully"According to I-MASH, a solemn ceremony was held at the main naval base of the Baltic Fleet, on which the missile boat "R-129" received a new nominal name "Kuznetsk" in honor of the city in the Penza region ", this is not a new RK, we are talking about renaming the existing one ..
  2. gandalf
    gandalf April 23 2014 12: 39
    +10
    Seven feet under the keel!
  3. Morgan
    Morgan April 23 2014 12: 40
    +3
    And why did he have Termite, and where did Mosquito go? am
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 23 2014 12: 47
      +6
      Quote: Morgan
      And why did he have Termite, and where did Mosquito go?

      This is not a new ship.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas April 23 2014 14: 28
      +6
      Quote: Morgan
      And why did he have Termite, and where did Mosquito go? am

      The history of the boats of pr.1241 is interconnected with the creation of the P-270 anti-ship missile system aka "Moskit". MKB Raduga was supposed to create a "light" anti-ship missile of the P-15 dimension (aka Termit) by 1978, this is judging by the fact that the first RCA pr.1241 began to be built in 1979, and the first EM pr.956 was launched in 1978. However, MKB Raduga missed all the deadlines and delivered the anti-ship missile system only in 1984, moreover, the rocket, to put it mildly, turned out to be not at all light, 4,1 tons, against 2,5 tons. at the P-15. But not that important. In this regard, the first RCA pr.1241 was produced from the P-15 anti-ship missile system by that time, which was already fairly outdated and proved to be completely unusable in the Arab-Israeli war. RCA R-129 is one of the last equipped with anti-ship missiles P-15, entered service on 28.12.1985. I would be more happy not to receive their own name, but to modernize the project 1241.8 under the X-35 anti-ship missile system.
      1. surovts.valery
        surovts.valery April 23 2014 16: 15
        0
        It's not about the name of the ship: “whatever you name the yacht, so it will float.” I don't see anything wrong with the name of the ship just by the tactical number. Most of the ships of the Soviet Navy were renamed that way. incl. all submarines. if someone and some names were assigned, then purely symbolically, for example, "Lenin Komsomol", "Such-and-such Komsomolets", etc. In all documents, especially military ones, these ships were always designated by their original tactical names. But there is actually a term that defines some specific rules and procedure for assigning names to ships and vessels. It seems caronymy is called. You can't just name the ship, because the mayor of some Zasredniprirechnegorsk turned his attention to the Navy.
        But actually I originally wanted to comment on the project 1241T, it’s good that the chassis, let it run, if there are no plans for modernization according to 1241.8 so far, let it shoot at targets like the P-79 at the Pacific Fleet, which is used in this quality in due time has been technically restored and is now being maintained.
      2. sivuch
        sivuch April 23 2014 19: 08
        0
        I don’t know what the advantages were for you, but the presentation, to put it mildly, is inaccurate. First of all, the Arabs had P-15 (not even P-15U), which differ from P-15M, which is Termite, like a pig from a horse . Plus, the Arab culture of exploitation. If the steamer according to the passport should give 36 knots, and in real life only 22-24, then no technique will help.
        That the Mosquitoes would be heavier, of course, everyone knew perfectly well.
        And now, it seems to me, Lightning would have been much more suitable for 2 to 6 Onyxes, like on Nakat. By the way, a quarter of a century ago he, Nakat, stood near the wall almost under the windows of our department. Then it seemed that Onyxes would appear in a year or two. None could not have imagined that the epupe would last 20 years
  4. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 23 2014 12: 41
    +2
    I thought that either Novokuznetsk or Kuzbass, which is called the Kuznetsk Territory. But still +
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 April 23 2014 16: 19
      0
      Always called Kuzbass.
  5. sub307
    sub307 April 23 2014 12: 42
    +3
    Now the so-called "Sheva links" will improve. All the benefits for the ship, in terms of manning l / s - including.
  6. nvn_co
    nvn_co April 23 2014 12: 49
    +3
    Well, good service! smile
  7. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 23 2014 12: 51
    +3
    Great news, there is something to beat the enemy. Let them be afraid of our missile boats, which, although small in size themselves, may not send a large enemy vessel to the bottom.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 14
      +3
      If a large enemy vessel is so stupid ...
      1. krechet-1978
        krechet-1978 April 23 2014 13: 24
        +2
        Stupid, very stupid - in the Black Sea several stupid striped vessels are already swimming.
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 40
          0
          If you mean the US frigates, I’ll disappoint right away. Grieve?
          1. krechet-1978
            krechet-1978 April 23 2014 13: 53
            +1
            Well, let's try it.
        2. Igor75
          Igor75 April 23 2014 13: 46
          -2
          I would like to see how you will trample on it against these "stupid striped vessels". Do you think someone will spot someone earlier?
          1. Andrey77
            Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 54
            0
            Moreover, 4 missiles will be shot down long before the destroyer reaches the "threatened zone". I am silent about electronic warfare.
            1. krechet-1978
              krechet-1978 April 23 2014 14: 01
              +1
              Is that what the Americans told you?
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas April 23 2014 14: 36
                0
                Quote: krechet-1978
                Is that what the Americans told you?

                The P-15 anti-ship missile system is equipped with the P-129, which is now "Kuznetsk" a hopeless, ancient dermo. Such missiles can be launched to the bottom of civilian vessels, but no more. The Egyptians and Syrians at one time produced 54 of them without any result. All released anti-ship missiles flew into milk!
              2. Andrey77
                Andrey77 April 23 2014 14: 47
                0
                The person has already answered you.
          2. krechet-1978
            krechet-1978 April 23 2014 14: 00
            +1
            In what sense?
            1. Igor75
              Igor75 April 23 2014 14: 43
              +1
              In the sense that radar boats are weaker.
          3. Dmitry Toderes
            Dmitry Toderes April 23 2014 19: 39
            0
            The incident with our su-24 and the American "Donald Cook" showed someone who.

            In general, in the Black Sea, not a single striped vessel is dangerous - everything is blocked by the coastal anti-ship complexes "granite" and "yahont". tongue

            Russia is a Black Sea state, the United States does not, and this means (there is a law) that Russia has the right to destroy any American ship without warning - for example, a missile attack without declaring US war. It is unlikely that the United States will start a war with Russia over one destroyer. Therefore, if you need to destroy this destroyer in one gulp and the Americans will not do anything.


            http://piter.tv/event/esminec_donal_d_kuk_i_su_24/
  8. Sega 1945
    Sega 1945 April 23 2014 12: 54
    +1
    more is necessary, more
    1. Igor75
      Igor75 April 23 2014 13: 25
      -3
      Why are there more? This is the coastal "mosquito fleet". Against modern frigates and cruisers, they have little 1 in 1 chances.
      1. krechet-1978
        krechet-1978 April 23 2014 14: 17
        +3
        Igor, the fleet has not been sailing for a long time, and the era of tactics of naval battle with wake columns has long passed.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah April 23 2014 14: 29
          0
          There was not and there is no such battle formation as "wake columns".
          It was (and is) - LINEAR BUILDING. hi
          1. krechet-1978
            krechet-1978 April 23 2014 14: 39
            +1
            Rather, the battle tactics are linear, and the combat formation is precisely the "wake column". hi
            1. Ptah
              Ptah April 24 2014 10: 17
              0
              Quote: krechet-1978
              and the combat formation is precisely the "wake column".

              Marching! Outdated. It is correctly said the MARINE ORDER. Trip order, which is built during the transition of ships (vessels) by sea. The construction of a marching warrant should ensure the effective use of weapons, dispersal, freedom of maneuver and rapid deployment in battle warrant.
              1. krechet-1978
                krechet-1978 April 24 2014 12: 48
                0
                ".. Sailing ships (see Sailing Fleet) in the 17th century began to line up for battle in a wake column (line), which for a long time was considered the main battle fleet." Great Soviet Encyclopedia.
                B.p. - battle order.
      2. ssergn
        ssergn April 23 2014 14: 25
        +1
        Read the weapons nomenclature of this frigate. Yes, it can handle the boat, since it is more imprisoned for missile defense / air defense and land strikes. But with a similar class ship, and even with long-range missiles, and even without the support of friendly aviation - it is unlikely.
  9. Uralean
    Uralean April 23 2014 12: 55
    +2
    Seven feet under the keel, and service without damage to the ship and crew! Dashing trouble began, but ships of this class will replenish the system ..)
  10. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE April 23 2014 12: 55
    +2
    Seven feet under the keel and tailwind
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 23 2014 12: 57
    +4
    In general, all boats should be remade for new missiles. And old shoot at exercises.
  12. Valter1364
    Valter1364 April 23 2014 12: 58
    +4
    As has been the custom since the days of the sailing fleet to wish for "Seven feet under the keel", so we still wish it! This is not enough for modern ships, but enough for the 12411T project. Russian Navy To Be!
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 11
      0
      This ship will not go into the ocean. But the Baltic can also bring surprises ...
  13. Aleksandr
    Aleksandr April 23 2014 12: 58
    +4
    Fu did not "Appear", but arrived or joined the ranks of "Mazut" not army. Ghosts appear and appear (ghosts in Ukrainian)
  14. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you April 23 2014 12: 59
    +5
    The boat is not new. new name! Although he probably played a prank on this ceremony! Residents of Kuznetsk. Congratulations!
    1. krechet-1978
      krechet-1978 April 23 2014 13: 22
      +2
      "Kuznetsk" (board number 852) - Project 12411T large missile boat,
      construction
      The boat with serial number 204 was laid down at the Srednevsky shipyard on February 3, 1983. Launched on November 19, 1984. It entered service on December 28, 1985 under the name R-129. On February 15, 2013 the boat was named Kuznetsk.
      In the 2012 year, 38 days spent at sea and during this time passed more than two thousand nautical miles, performed 8 missile launches and 7 artillery fires.
      In July 2013, the production association "Start" in the town of Zarechny, Penza region, completed work on the manufacture of new embedded and side boards for the boat.

      The performance characteristics of the project 12411T
      Speed: 42 knots (highest), 13 knots (economic)
      Cruising range: 760 nautical miles at 43 nodes, 1400 miles at 13 nodes
      Crew: 41 people
      dimensions
      Displacement: 392 t (standard), 469 t (full)
      Length: 56,1 m (longest), 49,5 m (on design waterline)
      Width: 10,2 m (largest), 8,74 m (on design waterline)
      Draft: on the case 2,5 m (with full displacement), on the screws 4,15 m
      Power plant
      2x16000 HP GTA M-15 (4000 hp marching GTU M-75, 12000 hp afterburning GTU M-70), 2 propellers
      weaponry
      Artillery: 1X1 76-mm AK-176
      Anti-aircraft artillery: 2x6 30-mm ZAK AK-630
      Missile armament: 4x1 launchers of anti-ship missiles P-15 "Termit" or "Mosquito", 1x4 MANPADS "Strela-3" (16 MANPADS ammunition)
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin April 23 2014 13: 33
        +1
        But he was younger than Taylor who had arrived in the Black Sea! ... I think he would have screwed his tail!
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      3. Igor75
        Igor75 April 23 2014 13: 33
        0
        "Missile armament: 4x1 launchers of anti-ship missiles P-15" Termit "or" Mosquito "

        The fact of the matter is that it is not "or". 12411 "T" means that only P-15 "Termite".
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 58
          0
          Does this mean only the old P-15s?
          1. sivuch
            sivuch April 23 2014 19: 15
            0
            In this case, the P-15M Termite. Of course, today it is out of date forever. But if the harmless Chukar BQM-74 was lit according to Chancellorville, then God himself ordered it.
            And with the designation Lightning all-over, there was an unimaginable mess. A unit with a dot, a unit without it, now you can’t remember who and what
  15. screw cutter
    screw cutter April 23 2014 13: 01
    +2
    Good news. Small and remote. Fast-moving, inconspicuous and very dangerous combat unit.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 07
      +1
      And such is necessary. High-speed small-sized. 2 RCC is enough, 4 is already surplus. Here with seaworthiness like his ..
    2. Igor75
      Igor75 April 23 2014 13: 11
      +1
      "Termites" are outdated long ago, so this boat is only dangerous against ships with poor air defense.
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 44
        +3
        You still remember the "Harpoons" ... This is a boat - and that's the point. Very rude - like a fighter with an RPG. It costs nothing, but it can kill a tank worth millions. With a weak defense of the enemy side, of course.
        1. Igor75
          Igor75 April 23 2014 13: 54
          +1
          Comparison with an RPG fighter is incorrect. The soldier does not need to climb out of the ambush, but the boat will have to.
          1. Andrey77
            Andrey77 April 23 2014 14: 03
            +1
            Have to. But the damage caused by the connection of boats ... It must be considered. The cost of an Aegis-class US destroyer? Given the locator. =) In this regard, the example is correct. A weapon in a million banknotes kills a weapon in 10 million banknotes.
            1. ssergn
              ssergn April 23 2014 14: 32
              +1
              Is this the Oliver Perry series?

              Then from the wiki
              At 30 September 1978, the total cost of the program consisting in the construction of 52 ships of the Oliver Hazard Perry type, according to estimates by the US Department of Defense, amounted to $ 1978 billion in 10,1 prices [3]

              That is, the average cost of a unit is about $ 192 million in 1978 prices.
              1. Andrey77
                Andrey77 April 23 2014 14: 39
                +1
                We are adjusting for inflation (the dollar used to cost more) and bring it to the 2014 price. Well, let it be an opponent of a frigate like Perry, modernized of course.
        2. ssergn
          ssergn April 23 2014 14: 27
          0
          Or outright mess
  16. Igor75
    Igor75 April 23 2014 13: 08
    +1
    The title of the article is stupid. It would have been easier to write not "appeared", but "renamed".
  17. Stasi
    Stasi April 23 2014 13: 09
    0
    Very good news! I am glad that new ships are in operation. I wish our fleet more of such missile boats, indeed, as they say, small and remote. Seven feet under the keel and peaceful service!
    1. Igor75
      Igor75 April 23 2014 13: 15
      +3
      Read carefully. The boat is old, just renamed.
      1. Stasi
        Stasi April 23 2014 13: 20
        +2
        Guilty, wrong. But even if the boat is not new, it is still pleasing that the boat after repair was able to return to operation.
  18. Leshka
    Leshka April 23 2014 13: 10
    +2
    not rushing need new
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 13
      +3
      We need new submarines, and radar updates .. Not all at once, although I want to.
  19. Uralean
    Uralean April 23 2014 13: 19
    +1
    Seven feet under the keel, and service without damage to the ship and crew! Dashing trouble began, but ships of this class will replenish the system ..)
  20. Ural guys
    Ural guys April 23 2014 13: 20
    +4
    We will break them into the head. To fight with such enemies is just laughter.

    They shoot, but not one hit is not. All in milk!
    1. O. BENDER
      O. BENDER April 23 2014 17: 13
      0
      And really ..., the devil's balim lol
  21. Fiero
    Fiero April 23 2014 13: 24
    +3
    In the Baltics, there would be several diesel submarines with a Stirling engine, even though there are some at the seams, and there can be less of them from the atomic one and they are a little cheaper.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 13: 49
      +3
      To release the improved "Varshavyanka". Now there are acceptance tests. And there is Onyx and everything you need =)
  22. Vadim12
    Vadim12 April 23 2014 13: 31
    +4
    The termite "Eilat" seems to have been drowned .. Now they have learned how to shoot them down (deceive). They need something new.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 23 2014 14: 07
      +2
      Quote: Vadim12
      They should have something new.

      Namesake. "Adaptation" of new launchers entails a radical redesign of everything. Starting from the recruitment, ending with the "redevelopment" of the ship premises.
      And this is almost a NEW hull and ship. To use this "old man" we limited ourselves to the "old" one.
      New will be on other projects ... yes hi
  23. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 23 2014 13: 35
    +3
    Glory to the Russian Navy !!!!!!!
  24. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 23 2014 13: 35
    +1
    Let all targets for shooting be training! .. :)
    (but let the gunpowder be dry! ..)
  25. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 April 23 2014 13: 37
    +3
    The Baltic Fleet is already quite good - the flagship destroyer "Persistent" regularly goes to exercises, the Project 11540 TFR "Yaroslav the Wise" and "Fearless" keep an ocean watch, the core of corvettes 20380 (already 3, and soon 4) Baltic and began to sail across Europe, and besides of this 4 MRK project 1234.1, 7 MPK project 1331 (1 "Aleksin" under repair), 8 RCA project 1241, including R-32 transferred last year from KFl, of which 2 projects 12411T with P-15 "Termit" (R- 129 "Kuznetsk" and R-257) and 6 with "Mosquitoes" Thus, the total missile salvo of the BF is 104 missiles: 8 "Mosquito-M" from "Persistent" + 8 "Uranov" from Yaroslav the Wise "+ 32" Uranus "( 8x4) from corvettes of project 20380 + 24 P-120 with MRK pr. 1234+ 24 "Mosquito" with RCA pr. 12411 + 8 P-15 with RCA pr. 12411T.
    The situation is already relatively tolerant.
    Unfortunately, now we do not have a submarine in the Baltic, since the B-585 "St. Petersburg" of project 677 left last year for the Northern Fleet, and the B-227 "Vyborg" and B-806 "Dmitrov" of the project 877 are under repair, so in This year, the Kaluga B-800, which came from the Northern Fleet, is taking part in the exercises in the Baltic Sea. In 2013, the fleet received a Project 20380 corvette "Boyky", this year a similar ship "Stoyky"). Unfortunately, last year, "Fearless" also embarked on repairs at Yantar, which will last until 2015, and Yaroslav the Wise, they say, will be transferred to the Black Sea Fleet.
    However, in the Baltic, taking into account the small length of the coastline left by the Russian Federation and due to the limited theater of operations itself, a large fleet is not needed: personally, I think that the presence of the "Persistent" and the SKR project 11540 is unnecessary, but nevertheless we do not take the Baltic fleets into account, due to their insignificance, Finns: submarine no, 6 minelayers, 8 RCA (4 types of "Hammina" with 4 anti-ship missiles RBS-15, displacement-250 tons; 4 types of "Rauma" with 6 anti-ship missiles RBS-15, displacement 248 tons) with 56 anti-ship missiles, the South African Umkhonto-IR short-range air defense missile system was installed on the Hammina-type RCA, 8 missiles in the UVP; 13 minesweepers.
    Sweden: 5 diesel-electric submarines (3-type "Gotland" 2- "Söderland"); 11 missile corvettes (2 Stockholm type -380 tons, 8 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles, 4 Gothenburg anti-ship missiles - 380/425 tons, 8 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles, 5 Visby-type - 640 tons, 8 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles ), a total of 88 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles, however, the main drawback of Swedish ships is the absence of air defense systems on them, i.e. anti-aircraft component only AU, maximum MANPADS); 11 minesweepers; 3 patrol boats. Those. the Swedes have strong offensive capabilities, with a complete absence of air defense, which, without proper support from the Air Force, will make it easy to destroy ships, even those built using stealth technology, from the air.
    Poland, the fleet according to the principle of "each creature in pairs":
    Diesel-electric submarines-5: 1 project 877, delivered during the times of the Internal Affairs Department, 4 types "Cobben", the former Norwegian 1961-1967 years of construction "Cobben", a modernized German project 205, transferred by the Norwegians in 2002-2004; 2 former American frigates Oliver H. Perry built in 1978 and 1980, respectively: 36 Standard air defense missile systems, 4 Harpoon anti-ship missiles;
    1 SKR Polish-built project 620 (no anti-ship missile system, no anti-aircraft missile system), used as a training ship; 3 Polish-built RCA of Project 660 with 4 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles on each. A total of 20 missiles (8 "Harpoon" + 12 RBS-15)
    That is, our BF is stronger than the Finnish and Polish Navy, at least equal if not superior to the Swedish fleet, surpassing it by the presence of anti-aircraft weapons on ships. Unfortunately, both Swedes and Poles outperform us in the Baltic by the presence of an underwater component in their Navy.
    The situation with the Germans is more complicated, there, yes, complete superiority, did not even consider it, but in the near future any hostile actions on the part of Germany are unlikely.
    1. Fiero
      Fiero April 23 2014 13: 44
      +1
      This is the problem, the diesel engine is generally extremely small and not only in the Baltics ...
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 April 23 2014 14: 24
        0
        DPL is needed only in the Baltic and in the Black. And don’t need a lot of them, to be honest.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 14: 15
      0
      Participation in the Swedish Navy's database is even more unlikely. And except for the Germans, Swedes and us, no one has a fleet in the Baltic. The Germans outnumber us in "salvo", but they have our pipe. We'll block it - and the whole kriegsmarine will stand at the pier.
    3. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 April 23 2014 14: 31
      0
      Denmark has a fairly modern fleet, equipped with the latest ships. It is based on 3 Yver Huitfeld-class frigates, transferred to the fleet in 2011, displacement of 6 645 tons, armed with 8-16 Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles, 2 Absalon-class control and support ships (the anti-ship missiles are not carried, but rather armed transports), 4 ocean-going patrol ships of the "Tethys" type also do not carry missile weapons and 2 patrol ships of the "Knud Rasmussen" type (3 under construction), of which only the Sea Sparrow air defense system has missile armament. Those. cumulative missile salvo is: 24-48 Harpoon anti-ship missiles.
      Nevertheless, I decided to count the Germans:
      4 DEPL Type 212, the latest submarines with a non-volatile fuel cell power plant (a total of 6 was ordered, built by 4);
      3 of the Sachsen air defense frigate (it was ordered by 4, but built 3), transferred to the fleet in 2002-2004 gg. Displacement 5690 tons. Armament: 8 Rocket Harpoon, 32 VPU Mk 41 Mod 10 (24 Standard SM-2 Block IIIA missiles and 32 Evolved Sea Sparrow missiles); 2x21 launchers of the Mk 49 SAM air defense system (RIM-116A missiles); 76-mm AUTO OTO-Melara; 2 x 1 27-mm control unit Rheinmetall AG-Mauser MLG 27; 2x3 324 mm TA; 2 helicopter NH90 or Sea Lynx Mk.88A.
      4 frigates of the Brandenburg type, delivered to the fleet in 1994-1996 gg. Displacement 4490 tons. Armament: 4 RCC Exocet; 16 ADMS Mk 41 Mod 4 Sea Sparrow in the VPU
      (16 RIM-7M missiles, plan. ESSM), 2x21 Mk 49 RAM (RIM-116A missiles) or 2 ASMD air defense systems (RIM-116 missiles); 76-mm AUTO OTO-Melara; 2 x 1 27-mm control unit Rheinmetall AG-Mauser MLG 27; 2x3 324 mm TA; 2 helicopter Sea Lynx.
      4 of the Bremen frigate, were built in the 80's, built by 8, in the ranks of 4. Displacement: 3750 tons. Armament: 8 anti-ship missile system “Harpoon”, 8 air defense missile system Sea Sparrow
      (16 RIM-7 rockets), 2 x 21 Mk 49 RAM (RIM-116A rockets); 76-mm AUTO OTO-Melara; 2 x 1 27-mm control unit Rheinmetall AG-Mauser MLG 27; 2x3 324 mm TA; 2 helicopter Sea Lynx Mk.88A.
      4 corvette Braunschweig, ordered by 7. Displacement: 1840 tons. Armament: 4 launchers of anti-ship missiles RBS-15 Mk.3; 2x21 launchers Mk 49 SAM SAM - anti-aircraft missiles RIM-116A; 76-mm AUTO OTO-Melara; 2 x 1 27-mm control unit Rheinmetall AG-Mauser MLG 27; 2x3 324 mm TA; 1 helicopter NH90 or 2 UAV.
      8 RCA type Gepard, all built by 10. Displacement: 390 tons. Armament: 4 anti-ship missiles MM38 Exocet; 1 SAM GDC ASMD (21 rocket); 76-mm AUTO OTO-Melara; 2 heavy machine gun.
      15 minesweepers.
      That is, the total missile salvo of the German Navy is 120 different anti-ship missiles, surpassing our BF. Thus, with the exception of the underwater component, the offensive capabilities of the BF are stronger than the Finnish, Swedish, Polish and Danish Navy and are slightly inferior to the German Navy if they tackle individually. However, in the event of a confrontation with the coalition even of the NATO member countries that have a fleet in the Baltic, the balance of forces sharply changes not in our favor. So the combined volley of German, Danish and Polish fleets is 164-188 missiles, against our 104, as well as 9 DEPLs, against our 0.
      The disadvantages of our fleet also include its relatively old age, so the average age of the Baltic Fleet in 2013 is 22 years, especially relative to the German and Swedish navies, as well as the rather weak air defense of most ships, with the exception of the corveto pr. 20380, so the MRK pr. 1241 do not have anti-aircraft weapons at all, except for the 30-mm AK-630 gun and MANPADS, and the pr. 1234 MRKs carry 1 Osa-MA air defense missile launcher (20 SAM ammunition), which have extremely limited capabilities to defeat modern anti-ship missiles. The IPC project 1331 has a similar drawback, which also do not have modern anti-aircraft weapons, which makes them easy targets for enemy aircraft and anti-ship missiles, and besides, they can hardly fight modern diesel-electric submarines, such as the German Type 212 or the Swedish Gotland. ...
    4. ssergn
      ssergn April 23 2014 14: 37
      +1
      But what about the coastal component of the anti-ship missile complex? Do you have info on it? This is also a "+" in the piggy bank of a general missile salvo, "+" an emergency.

      And yes - in the Baltic states closely in this situation.
      1. Igor75
        Igor75 April 23 2014 15: 27
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        Let's confine ourselves to a boat, an article about it, otherwise it can turn out as in the saying "We started for health, finished for ......".
      2. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 April 23 2014 15: 35
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        The BF includes the 25th separate coastal missile regiment, now the 25th separate coastal missile brigade (Donskoye village, Kaliningrad region), armed with the Rubezh anti-ship missile system, 2 P-15M Termit anti-ship missiles on each launcher with a firing range 80 km, in the division 12 launchers, that is, only 24 anti-ship missiles, this is the same P-15, which is installed on the R-129 "Kuznetsk", only on an automobile chassis.

        There are also SCRC "Redut" armed with one P-35 anti-ship missile system on each launcher with a firing range of 270 km; or one ZM44 product with a firing range of 460 km; in one division there are 18 launchers, that is, only 18 anti-ship missiles.

        The Redut missile launcher during the Victory Day parade in Kaliningrad, May 9, 2012.
        Both systems were developed in the 60's and have very limited combat value, since they are not intended to break through modern air defense.
  26. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 April 23 2014 13: 45
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    Quote: Sega 1945
    more is necessary, more

    A person, apparently, is so constructed that he always wants more: to eat, drink, sleep, etc. Understand, it is impossible to make a dash 10 years ahead, lagging behind by 20. Thank God, they are still afraid of us, i.e. respect, and if there is peace, albeit a shaky one, I think we will be able to oppose our "partners" with sufficient arguments in the next 5-6 years.
  27. kelevra
    kelevra April 23 2014 13: 50
    +1
    Good boats, only artillery weapons could be put more powerful!
    1. Ptah
      Ptah April 23 2014 14: 12
      +1
      Quote: kelevra
      weapons could be put more powerful!

      ... so that after the launch flew overboard. Together with a piece of deck.
      Weapons were also thought of by understanding people.
      Everything is fine. As a transitional stage, that’s very good. hi
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 14: 25
      +1
      What for? Who are you going to shoot from a boat?
      1. ssergn
        ssergn April 23 2014 14: 40
        +2
        Drive Latvian inflatable fleet laughing laughing laughing
      2. O. BENDER
        O. BENDER April 23 2014 17: 37
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        Quote: Andrey77
        What for? Who are you going to shoot from a boat?

        And you know, my dear, how Japs fishermen (can be saboteurs and just malicious intruders) easily leave our watchdogs, that's why we need such boats. They are more mobile, faster than ordinary watchdogs.
  28. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 23 2014 14: 47
    +1
    Old type and old rocket arrangement. Where are the laudable rockets caliber K, onyx, Club K complexes?
  29. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 23 2014 14: 48
    +1
    The boats are excellent, seven feet under the keel, but the guys, the guard, got their fleet at Penza, and other cities lag behind. Mr. Governors, join the arms race, keep up with Penza.
  30. Goblin 28
    Goblin 28 April 23 2014 16: 32
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    Quote: Valter1364
    As has been the custom since the days of the sailing fleet to wish for "Seven feet under the keel", so we still wish it! This is not enough for modern ships, but enough for the 12411T project. Russian Navy To Be!

    Now they say in the Navy-calm sea and cold bearings))))
  31. mamont5
    mamont5 April 23 2014 16: 43
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    My greetings to the fellow countryman!
  32. clidon
    clidon April 23 2014 17: 00
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    Kater must already go for deduction by age. And not by renaming ...
  33. repytw
    repytw April 23 2014 19: 55
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    He himself comes from Kuznetsk, I am very glad that a fellow countryman, even an old one, has appeared in my Baltic. I think that modern boats will come to the fleet, then the names of today will be inherited.
  34. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 24 2014 06: 14
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    The modernized T-72B3 also considers our government to be a new technique, so the boat was apparently pissed off and it became "new".